WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.399 --> 00:00:07.440 This is I on the Ball with Steve Rivera and Jakin Zalis on Fox Sports 2 00:00:07.480 --> 00:00:14.599 fourteen fifteen powered by Nova Insurance Services Ensure your most Prized Possessions. Katz R 3 00:00:14.679 --> 00:00:19.000 two SA at iHeart Radio Station. Kay, good afternoon, everybody. Welcome 4 00:00:19.039 --> 00:00:21.559 to I in the bout here on Fox Sports fourteen fifty. I'm Steve Rivera. 5 00:00:21.920 --> 00:00:26.079 He's Jagins as we have Jason in the Million today. Welcome to Wednesday. 6 00:00:26.800 --> 00:00:29.199 Lots to get to a lot of brinky news. I think. Yeah, 7 00:00:29.239 --> 00:00:32.039 there's a lot of stuff going on, honness. Yeah, and Double 8 00:00:32.079 --> 00:00:36.679 A Division on const whole bunch of stuff, right, well some of that 9 00:00:37.000 --> 00:00:39.600 and the NFL too, I think, is doing some stuff with gambling too, 10 00:00:39.640 --> 00:00:42.119 right they're getting stiffer. Oh yeah, they there. There's a bunch 11 00:00:42.159 --> 00:00:45.079 of guys that we're gonna miss the next season, right, they got caught 12 00:00:45.119 --> 00:00:48.719 up doing a little bit of a little bit of too much gambling, maybe 13 00:00:48.759 --> 00:00:52.759 gambling on foot on football and stuff, which is just an obvious big no 14 00:00:52.880 --> 00:00:56.479 no. But uh, Nancy double A actually coming out a little reasonable. 15 00:00:57.240 --> 00:01:02.039 Um. You know when you when you consider that gambling is everywhere, and 16 00:01:02.359 --> 00:01:06.159 you know you still if you're callege athlete. You still can't gamble, but 17 00:01:06.239 --> 00:01:11.840 the penalties are a little a little less um crushing for for some of these 18 00:01:11.840 --> 00:01:15.239 guys. Yeah, okay, and our guests today are gonna be pretty good. 19 00:01:15.760 --> 00:01:19.519 One both local obviously, right Keona will Hiked, the South Point kid 20 00:01:19.599 --> 00:01:23.719 that committed to Arizona this last week. Uh, you know, talking about 21 00:01:23.719 --> 00:01:26.000 pick his brain. I'm on recruiting right and how it went why you know, 22 00:01:26.239 --> 00:01:32.519 justin spears as a as a story on him that posted today. Yeah, 23 00:01:32.560 --> 00:01:34.359 I'm looking at it right now. Um, I think just a little 24 00:01:34.400 --> 00:01:38.400 while ago. Actually, um no, yesterday posted yesterday, but you know, 25 00:01:38.480 --> 00:01:42.400 just talking about why he chose Arizona. But you know, I'm more 26 00:01:42.480 --> 00:01:46.480 curious about what's recruiting like now, right, you know, how much is 27 00:01:46.599 --> 00:01:51.519 nil playing in the you know these kids and maybe and if not specifically to 28 00:01:51.640 --> 00:01:53.840 him, maybe to others. Right, yeah, maybe he'll tell us how 29 00:01:53.920 --> 00:02:00.280 much Oregan's offered Eliza Rushing now well, you know, we'll just you know, 30 00:02:00.480 --> 00:02:05.200 I think people are curious about the recruiting process now and what that's like 31 00:02:05.280 --> 00:02:07.680 for athletes and why they wind up at certain places. Yeah okay, And 32 00:02:07.680 --> 00:02:13.560 then in the second hour an interesting guests as we continue to talk about NIL. 33 00:02:14.120 --> 00:02:16.759 Yeah. Ray Wells is the executive director of the of the NIL Collective 34 00:02:16.759 --> 00:02:21.840 for the U of A UH friends of Wilbur and Wilma. It's the fund 35 00:02:21.960 --> 00:02:25.719 that that that h is used to you know, put NIL money into the 36 00:02:25.759 --> 00:02:30.199 hands of athletes at Arizona. UM. You know, I'd be interested to 37 00:02:30.199 --> 00:02:37.439 see, you know, raise opinion or just his thoughts on is this working 38 00:02:37.479 --> 00:02:39.000 the way it's supposed to work, and how's it working at Arizona. Of 39 00:02:39.000 --> 00:02:43.319 course he's going to say we're doing it by the book, but you know, 40 00:02:43.520 --> 00:02:46.520 i'd be curious, you know, are there a lot of people who 41 00:02:46.520 --> 00:02:49.960 are not. We had that conversation with Jake Josh Pastor yesterday, right, 42 00:02:50.919 --> 00:02:54.919 Yeah, so that'll be interesting. We've already had Arizona assistant and to show 43 00:02:54.919 --> 00:02:59.759 what they do no differences, which is not a collective, it's it's a 44 00:02:59.800 --> 00:03:04.879 base see a marketing arm for basketball that that gets money, it puts hands 45 00:03:05.560 --> 00:03:07.680 in the end it does the same thing and puts hands in the money in 46 00:03:07.719 --> 00:03:12.319 the putting money in the hands of basketball players. They kind of do it 47 00:03:12.319 --> 00:03:15.280 in a little different way. So we'll just you know, pick Rai's brainness. 48 00:03:15.439 --> 00:03:20.199 Okay, how does this actually work? What are you doing? Uh? 49 00:03:20.960 --> 00:03:23.439 I wanted to say yesterday, man, we talked about about the guy's 50 00:03:23.520 --> 00:03:29.080 name up Luke for RELLI forever really that it was just a few hours later 51 00:03:29.120 --> 00:03:31.240 he decided to flip and go to Stanford. He did flip and go to 52 00:03:31.280 --> 00:03:38.240 Stanford again. You know, if my kid's an athlete, and I mean, 53 00:03:38.560 --> 00:03:44.680 look, if if if there's like a seventy five eight percent shot that 54 00:03:44.800 --> 00:03:47.439 he's gonna order that, you're pretty sure he's gonna have somebody's gonna have an 55 00:03:47.439 --> 00:03:52.840 opportunity to play professional professionally, You're gonna want to go to school to maximize 56 00:03:52.840 --> 00:03:54.360 that. But if you think, look, he's maybe got a fifty fifty 57 00:03:54.400 --> 00:03:58.280 shot. Uh, you know, it depends on how it goes. Oh 58 00:03:58.319 --> 00:04:01.439 and here's Stanford calling. Don't you tell your kid to go to Stanford? 59 00:04:01.719 --> 00:04:05.639 Oh? Yeah, of course? Right? Who are your picks? Arizona 60 00:04:06.159 --> 00:04:10.080 from Stanford or Arizona? Yeah? Well, you know what, you you 61 00:04:10.080 --> 00:04:12.960 had a chance to go we're here, Um, I chance to college in 62 00:04:13.000 --> 00:04:15.360 schools like all of the country, to be honest, And you just said 63 00:04:15.439 --> 00:04:17.519 a little old dusty yeah, because they offered the most money. Well that's 64 00:04:17.600 --> 00:04:20.120 right. You said that before I would have went to school to in New 65 00:04:20.160 --> 00:04:24.160 York, but they didn't offer me enough. My knees Almere, New York. 66 00:04:24.279 --> 00:04:29.560 Oh god, you're one of those. Yeah, I have my reasons. 67 00:04:29.720 --> 00:04:31.639 My daughter had, you know, a lot of opportunities like that one, 68 00:04:31.720 --> 00:04:38.040 and she took Claremont College on southern California. She got a whole bunch 69 00:04:38.079 --> 00:04:41.360 of money, right, Yeah, and yet it still cost us as much 70 00:04:41.399 --> 00:04:43.560 to put her through there as it would have cost if she had stayed here 71 00:04:43.560 --> 00:04:46.879 without the college. It's still but it was you know, it's a great 72 00:04:46.879 --> 00:04:48.360 school and she's doing really well with it. But uh, you know, 73 00:04:48.399 --> 00:04:53.199 you got to balance all that out. Yeah, okay, So we'll talk 74 00:04:53.240 --> 00:04:57.240 to him about all that, uh and more obviously with with our guests on 75 00:04:57.439 --> 00:05:00.360 nil and recruiting, what else going on. Um, there's a lot of 76 00:05:00.360 --> 00:05:04.120 things always mentioned the NCAA Division one council coming out with a whole bunch of 77 00:05:04.240 --> 00:05:06.360 rules, and I will do some of this and breaking news, but I 78 00:05:06.439 --> 00:05:10.480 really want to cover the gambling one because obviously that's important to you and me, 79 00:05:10.560 --> 00:05:16.519 Steve. But um, because the gambled. But um, what they've 80 00:05:16.560 --> 00:05:24.240 done is they've made the penalties for gambling significantly more reasonable. Um, and 81 00:05:24.439 --> 00:05:28.279 that being that you know before, if you got caught gambling on anything, 82 00:05:29.079 --> 00:05:31.560 you could be or would likely be suspended for the year. There was a 83 00:05:31.639 --> 00:05:35.839 kid out of out of out of Virginia Tech who got caught. He put 84 00:05:35.920 --> 00:05:41.680 four hundred dollars on an end on the NBA Finals, and they initially suspended 85 00:05:41.720 --> 00:05:46.639 them for the year, reduced it to six games. Now that same instance 86 00:05:46.959 --> 00:05:49.959 would have cost him only ten percent of his game, so he would have 87 00:05:50.000 --> 00:05:55.720 missed a game one point two games, right, a game and a part 88 00:05:55.720 --> 00:05:59.600 of another. What they're saying is, look, you know, the colleges 89 00:05:59.600 --> 00:06:03.040 and every body else is bodying on all the on all the gambling, and 90 00:06:03.040 --> 00:06:05.600 then to say, well, we approve of it, but we don't approve 91 00:06:05.639 --> 00:06:10.480 of it for you is a little hypocritical. So what they've done is they've 92 00:06:10.480 --> 00:06:14.439 made the penalties a little more reasonable. I mean, if you get caught 93 00:06:14.480 --> 00:06:18.600 gambling on your own sport, and if you get caught providing information to gamblers 94 00:06:18.680 --> 00:06:24.120 about your sport or sports at your school, yeah you're gonna still face a 95 00:06:24.120 --> 00:06:29.000 harsh penalty. But if you go pat one hundred bucks on an NBA Finals 96 00:06:29.040 --> 00:06:31.720 game, you're gonna lose a game. And they're still saying it's against the 97 00:06:31.800 --> 00:06:36.480 rules to gamble, right, but just the penalties are so we you cover 98 00:06:36.560 --> 00:06:40.839 recruiting, recruiting for a long time, twenty some years, um and I 99 00:06:40.879 --> 00:06:43.600 always got to kick out of it. And it continues. We saw the 100 00:06:44.040 --> 00:06:47.839 big event and FEEDIX right over the weekend the Section seventh. But but Vegas 101 00:06:47.839 --> 00:06:50.800 has been like the hot spot for all all things I know, for soccer 102 00:06:50.839 --> 00:06:56.000 with my sons and basketball. But it's to me, it's obviously entertainment for 103 00:06:56.000 --> 00:06:59.240 the parents, but the kids. The kids are there too, and it's 104 00:06:59.319 --> 00:07:01.600 it's stay away, stay from, stay away from the game. They places, 105 00:07:01.680 --> 00:07:04.399 but but they're right there, but they're they're right there. And then 106 00:07:04.399 --> 00:07:09.360 you have schools, then you have schools now and this is no slight Dell 107 00:07:09.399 --> 00:07:14.800 Soul, the Diamond h are big, big players in Phoenix, the Heila 108 00:07:14.879 --> 00:07:20.199 River. Yes, sponsors exactly, we want you, but kids don't don't 109 00:07:20.199 --> 00:07:26.279 participate. You know, it's a little hypocritical of not a little hit, 110 00:07:26.399 --> 00:07:29.480 I mean a lot of hypocal One point, weren't did they come close to 111 00:07:29.600 --> 00:07:32.879 naming the field that Arizona Stadium for casino name had probably been thrown out. 112 00:07:32.959 --> 00:07:35.680 Yeah, yeah, so you know, yeah, I mean very hypocritical. 113 00:07:35.759 --> 00:07:39.600 So it's it's kind of like, you know, well, I'm sure you 114 00:07:39.639 --> 00:07:43.839 remember this back in the early nineties century Quick I think was still the the 115 00:07:43.959 --> 00:07:46.480 NC double A guy, and we're at the final four back then, because 116 00:07:46.480 --> 00:07:50.959 we went and people didn't want to put the lines in the papers. Can 117 00:07:51.000 --> 00:07:55.160 you get NC double A did not want I mean, yes, you're crazy. 118 00:07:55.240 --> 00:07:58.120 Yeah, they tried to the u A try to get the airs on 119 00:07:58.160 --> 00:08:01.439 the Daily Star and the Tesson Citizen quit putting point spreads in the newspaper like 120 00:08:01.720 --> 00:08:07.879 no, you know what I mean, no, So yeah, and that's 121 00:08:07.120 --> 00:08:13.439 every newspaper and that and that's and we've come from that to this exactly, 122 00:08:13.800 --> 00:08:16.879 which is fine. Look, kids are gonna gamble and there's still gonna be 123 00:08:16.879 --> 00:08:20.160 someone are gonna go out to break the rules and and do stupid things. 124 00:08:20.560 --> 00:08:24.279 I mean, we've got these these NFL players who are about to we're about 125 00:08:24.319 --> 00:08:28.319 to lose a season because because they're gambling. You know, we saw you 126 00:08:28.319 --> 00:08:33.080 know, Stanley berry Hill, you know, lost your suspended and then you 127 00:08:33.240 --> 00:08:37.360 eventually got cut from his team, you know, after after a gambling gambling 128 00:08:37.399 --> 00:08:41.399 thing. But you know it's prevalent. You know, you're you're there's too 129 00:08:41.480 --> 00:08:46.759 much of it. You know they're building sports books in pro stage. That's 130 00:08:46.799 --> 00:08:48.399 another thing, right, So you know, how are you gonna say, 131 00:08:48.600 --> 00:08:52.039 we're gonna do that, but you can't you can't partake. Well, you 132 00:08:52.080 --> 00:08:54.519 know it's the same as well, you know, we're we're you know, 133 00:08:54.799 --> 00:09:00.320 we're gonna set of alcohol. But you can't have any right. And we 134 00:09:00.440 --> 00:09:03.600 know it's all with discretion within the individual because they know the rules or they 135 00:09:03.639 --> 00:09:07.480 shouldn't know the rules. And and and I think what this does, it 136 00:09:07.480 --> 00:09:11.039 shows, you know, some reasonableness. They still don't want athletes gambling, 137 00:09:11.039 --> 00:09:13.840 but they're saying, you know, you're you're not gonna lose your career because 138 00:09:13.840 --> 00:09:18.000 you can't know. But let's go take the Las Vegas Invitational. Let's invitation 139 00:09:18.200 --> 00:09:20.960 and play there and stay at the MGM, I mean the Pact twelve may 140 00:09:22.000 --> 00:09:24.799 have its office. And walk through the walk through the casino, right you 141 00:09:24.840 --> 00:09:28.399 got yeah, I mean you go check into the casino. You gotta take 142 00:09:28.399 --> 00:09:30.759 your kids. I mean at a hotel, you got to walk your kids 143 00:09:30.759 --> 00:09:35.720 through the casino. Ye. So but you know, again, just real 144 00:09:35.799 --> 00:09:39.639 quick over there. So if you if if an athlete gambles two hundred dollars 145 00:09:39.759 --> 00:09:43.200 or less, they've got to go to basically an education class. Two hundred 146 00:09:43.200 --> 00:09:45.799 and one dollars to five hundred, they lose ten percent of their season, 147 00:09:46.159 --> 00:09:48.000 plus they got to go to this education class and then goes up you know, 148 00:09:48.000 --> 00:09:52.200 five hundred, eight hundred lose twenty percent. Eight greater than eight hundred 149 00:09:52.320 --> 00:09:56.200 you lose thirty percent. And if you if you gamble over eight hundred dollars, 150 00:09:56.000 --> 00:10:01.159 then the NCAA a kind of just looks at your individual case and that 151 00:10:01.240 --> 00:10:03.879 you can be permanently banned from you know, from a season or a team 152 00:10:03.960 --> 00:10:11.080 or whatever. So it's it's it just takes into account the severity of whatever 153 00:10:11.120 --> 00:10:13.080 it is you're doing, which kind of makes sense. But in the end, 154 00:10:13.080 --> 00:10:16.799 it says student athletes to do anything to influence the outcomes of their own 155 00:10:16.840 --> 00:10:22.240 games or provide information to others involved with betting will permanently lose college eligibility in 156 00:10:22.360 --> 00:10:26.120 all sports. And this rule also applies to athletes who wager on their own 157 00:10:26.159 --> 00:10:31.080 games or other sports at their schools. So there's it's still a very harsh 158 00:10:31.120 --> 00:10:35.759 penalty if you get too close to it, right and then uh, then 159 00:10:35.919 --> 00:10:41.559 if you if you bet on um on your own sport, but at another 160 00:10:41.679 --> 00:10:48.240 school you lose, you can lose fifty percent of your season's eligibility. So 161 00:10:48.759 --> 00:10:50.360 again, in the end, you know, don't do it if you're a 162 00:10:50.360 --> 00:10:54.279 college athlete. But if you do, you know, it's not the end 163 00:10:54.320 --> 00:11:01.480 of the world if you get caught. Just hold I was I knew that 164 00:11:01.519 --> 00:11:03.879 way. I asked you, I was gonna try to make it. If 165 00:11:03.879 --> 00:11:07.200 you were twenty, I would say, don't drink. Don't drink. Yeah, 166 00:11:07.320 --> 00:11:11.519 if you have friends who drink, look the other way. Did you 167 00:11:11.720 --> 00:11:16.360 But did you ever think about your parents, you know, if your parents 168 00:11:16.440 --> 00:11:18.320 drank you, did you ever think it's not fair they get to drink? 169 00:11:18.320 --> 00:11:22.279 And I never, I never never thought I thought, Okay, I'll get 170 00:11:22.320 --> 00:11:24.840 to drink when I get to a certain name. Yeah, they can tell 171 00:11:24.840 --> 00:11:28.399 me no up until that point, and that's fine. But I never felt 172 00:11:28.440 --> 00:11:31.879 like it was unfair that I was sixteen and couldn't you know, couldn't have 173 00:11:31.919 --> 00:11:35.679 a Jack Daniels. Yeah, I think the biggest debate back in our day 174 00:11:35.679 --> 00:11:39.360 because it was eighteen nineteen and then the grandfather. I don't can't remember how 175 00:11:39.279 --> 00:11:43.320 how that went, um, But it was if you can go to war, 176 00:11:43.039 --> 00:11:46.159 how come you can't drink? You know that fight? That argument smoking, 177 00:11:46.240 --> 00:11:50.240 I think too is whatever it was, you know, because this is 178 00:11:50.279 --> 00:11:52.799 my advice. Whoever that to you that two eighteen year olds listened to it 179 00:11:52.919 --> 00:11:56.879 right now, because no kids listen to it? Um um, be an 180 00:11:56.879 --> 00:12:01.559 adult sucks. Take your time. I've been getting there. Yeah. It 181 00:12:01.440 --> 00:12:05.919 has its privileges, but it has its responsibilities too. And you know, 182 00:12:05.919 --> 00:12:07.679 when you're a kid man, just have fun with it. And I guess 183 00:12:07.720 --> 00:12:13.320 I never thought, you know, god, this isn't fair that I'm seventeen 184 00:12:13.399 --> 00:12:16.480 years old and I can drive and yeah, or I'm eighteen and I never 185 00:12:16.559 --> 00:12:18.039 thought or I could go to war or whatever. I never sat through the 186 00:12:18.080 --> 00:12:22.279 thought it's not fair that my mom or my dad get to drink. And 187 00:12:22.320 --> 00:12:24.360 I got yeah, no, never ever ever thought. I didn't think that. 188 00:12:26.120 --> 00:12:30.080 I just think not my parents. Put the other peoples. I think 189 00:12:30.120 --> 00:12:31.639 I had too much. He's like like a fool. I just waited my 190 00:12:31.639 --> 00:12:35.360 turn. Yeah, I just waited my turn. And it was nineteen when 191 00:12:35.360 --> 00:12:39.639 I got when I got to be nineteen before they before they bumped it up 192 00:12:39.639 --> 00:12:41.039 to twenty one. Yeah. But you're already grandfather didn't. Probably it was 193 00:12:41.080 --> 00:12:45.759 at that tap, I think it was. I think I was already twenty 194 00:12:45.759 --> 00:12:48.240 one when they bumped into twenty one, so right, you know so, 195 00:12:48.679 --> 00:12:52.240 And yes I did go out on my nineteenth birthday, and yes I did 196 00:12:52.240 --> 00:12:54.519 showed some things that I show up very much. I remember I did say 197 00:12:54.720 --> 00:12:58.039 I went to drive through I was in LUs Crusoes of the time, and 198 00:12:58.519 --> 00:13:01.120 I went after you got a six pact the laure idea I should have to 199 00:13:01.559 --> 00:13:05.080 that. They started laughing at me. This is stupid. I don't even 200 00:13:05.080 --> 00:13:07.639 thought it was stupid. Yeah, you know, you did it because you 201 00:13:07.639 --> 00:13:11.840 could, Right, you did it because you could. Yeah. But anyway, 202 00:13:11.879 --> 00:13:15.919 so that, you know, so a bunch of other stuff they came 203 00:13:15.960 --> 00:13:20.080 out with today, which I think will cover in breaking news um of some 204 00:13:20.080 --> 00:13:26.960 some stuff that a sort of seeming I don't almost reasonable. He's a new 205 00:13:26.960 --> 00:13:28.720 guy already in is the new guy? No, he doesn't tech. I 206 00:13:28.720 --> 00:13:31.879 don't think he technically starts till after the first of the year. So I 207 00:13:31.879 --> 00:13:35.519 thought it was like now in the summer. I could I could be wrong, 208 00:13:35.600 --> 00:13:37.360 whatever his name is, but this is the division one consent. All 209 00:13:37.399 --> 00:13:41.039 these again are proposals. They still got to be voted on by the membership 210 00:13:41.360 --> 00:13:46.600 to pass. But you know that they vetted all this stuff and they probably 211 00:13:46.600 --> 00:13:48.919 got support for for for doing all these things. They're not going to roll 212 00:13:48.960 --> 00:13:52.960 these things out there and then not push them through none. Nothing seems extremely 213 00:13:54.000 --> 00:13:58.159 controversial. It just seems like they're almost like they're cleaning some things up right, 214 00:13:58.559 --> 00:14:03.559 in which there's a lot of cleaning up that the n has to has 215 00:14:03.600 --> 00:14:05.879 to do with itself. So okay, hey, why don't we go to 216 00:14:05.960 --> 00:14:11.200 break um. 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We'll 281 00:19:17.799 --> 00:19:22.720 put the work in for you. Dreay Live I mean my heart radio whip. 282 00:19:23.000 --> 00:19:27.799 This is I on the Ball with Steve Rivera and Jay Gonzalez on Fox 283 00:19:27.839 --> 00:19:33.000 Sports fourteen fifteen and welcome back to All on the Ball here on Fox Sports 284 00:19:33.039 --> 00:19:36.279 fourteen ticking. I'm Steve Rivera, He's Jakenzalz. How on the phone, 285 00:19:36.279 --> 00:19:41.240 we have Kiona will Height from South Point Catholic, who recently committed to the 286 00:19:41.359 --> 00:19:45.480 errors on the football program. Kiona, how are you great? Great to 287 00:19:45.519 --> 00:19:51.279 have you on the show. Everyone in Tucson, u A Football included, 288 00:19:51.440 --> 00:19:53.880 excited to have you part of the car of the Kat's family. How are 289 00:19:53.880 --> 00:20:02.440 you doing awesome right now? How you so the recruiting process, Keona? 290 00:20:02.920 --> 00:20:04.480 I mean, was it was it fun for you? Did you enjoy it? 291 00:20:06.079 --> 00:20:08.119 Um? You're taking trips and that type of stuff? I mean, 292 00:20:08.160 --> 00:20:11.440 what did you like about the recruiting process? And then were there some things 293 00:20:11.440 --> 00:20:19.079 that you really could have done without? Um? I liked the trips are 294 00:20:19.119 --> 00:20:23.240 fun. Being able to take my family out to all these different places was 295 00:20:23.279 --> 00:20:30.480 amazing. Um where they were? What could go? Yeah, I was 296 00:20:30.480 --> 00:20:33.319 gonna say, no, where did you go? But when you went on 297 00:20:33.359 --> 00:20:36.680 a trip, what were your goals? You know about that trip? What 298 00:20:36.799 --> 00:20:41.480 did you want to find out? When you went to a campus including Arizona. 299 00:20:42.119 --> 00:20:47.559 I wanted to find out wasn't funnily how did they develop the players? 300 00:20:47.960 --> 00:20:52.759 And um, what their culture was like and what the team chemistry was, 301 00:20:52.640 --> 00:20:57.240 how that was and what did you find out here here? I found out 302 00:20:57.480 --> 00:21:03.720 ms great. Everybody's nebly just a family, especially with the coaches as we 303 00:21:03.839 --> 00:21:10.759 see the coaches more of uncles. And and you're not gonna go far. 304 00:21:11.160 --> 00:21:14.000 I mean a lot of people leave, especially from South Point, who have 305 00:21:14.119 --> 00:21:18.599 left the city to go to other programs. But you're gonna You're gonna stay 306 00:21:18.640 --> 00:21:23.480 close. What did that mean to you? And that's a lot You're having 307 00:21:23.519 --> 00:21:27.319 my family year, I'll be able to see everything I do and they almost 308 00:21:27.519 --> 00:21:33.240 any part of my scheme experience. So in the community too, we've just 309 00:21:33.319 --> 00:21:37.079 been very supportive since this time. So looking at at Justin Spears story that 310 00:21:37.119 --> 00:21:41.640 came out on you yesterday, you know, you're you come from a military 311 00:21:41.640 --> 00:21:45.440 family, You've moved around, so how long have you been here and in 312 00:21:45.920 --> 00:21:48.160 that time, you know, have you been an Arizona fan? You know, 313 00:21:48.200 --> 00:21:51.759 what have you thought of the program, especially knowing that you were going 314 00:21:51.839 --> 00:21:59.119 to be playing football and might have this opportunity. I've been here for seven 315 00:21:59.160 --> 00:22:07.119 years now and beats in the first stadium O game, watching football game, 316 00:22:07.720 --> 00:22:11.720 and he's seeing how the atmosphere was amazing. How did you become the ball 317 00:22:11.720 --> 00:22:18.119 player you've become? Did you have mentors? Did you have people like that? 318 00:22:18.200 --> 00:22:23.440 Who's pushed you? Um? My biggest mentor was my father about my 319 00:22:23.440 --> 00:22:29.000 whole Jamie Hughes h He's always been including me. He's my train in my 320 00:22:29.319 --> 00:22:34.480 nutrition as long as my mother. So you have a nutritionist. So it's 321 00:22:36.799 --> 00:22:41.119 so he's not he's not barbecue and you burgers in the backyard. You know, 322 00:22:41.440 --> 00:22:45.680 at some point, Keona, you you know, you knew this opportunity 323 00:22:45.799 --> 00:22:49.240 was coming your way. You know, when did you really have to start 324 00:22:49.279 --> 00:22:53.640 taking this seriously? You know, and and and you know, make sure 325 00:22:53.680 --> 00:22:57.119 that you're healthy, make sure you're working out as much as you needed to 326 00:22:57.160 --> 00:23:00.480 work out, make sure that you're you know, training and all those kinds 327 00:23:00.480 --> 00:23:04.200 of things. When did this become serious business for you to be able to 328 00:23:04.200 --> 00:23:11.319 get this opportunity? Um, my freshman year, that's when I started to 329 00:23:11.319 --> 00:23:18.039 become serious. I was just saying, what precautions did you know? In 330 00:23:18.039 --> 00:23:23.599 what way? I guess in what way? Yeah, when I realized I 331 00:23:23.759 --> 00:23:30.319 wasn't um at the standards. I guess for myself because when I started, 332 00:23:30.559 --> 00:23:34.119 I looked, um what I needed to do or I needed to be able 333 00:23:34.119 --> 00:23:38.920 to lift to be a top recruit. I've been seeing those numbers like, 334 00:23:40.000 --> 00:23:44.759 wow, I'm nowhere close. So I began changing with my dad almost every 335 00:23:44.839 --> 00:23:48.319 day and just draining the gym, was on to the field, running lifting 336 00:23:48.359 --> 00:23:53.960 weights and just studying my position. What was that like having your dad worked 337 00:23:53.960 --> 00:23:56.720 with you on that stuff? I mean, did you guys, did you 338 00:23:56.759 --> 00:24:03.079 get closer? Was it a father sun relationship? Was that a coach player 339 00:24:03.160 --> 00:24:07.240 relationship? A combination of the two. What was that relationship like with your 340 00:24:07.319 --> 00:24:10.400 dad, who I'm sure you know had to push you and get you to 341 00:24:10.440 --> 00:24:14.839 do things and maybe we're gonna be really hard for you. Um, it 342 00:24:14.960 --> 00:24:18.720 was most of both. Yeah, it was really fun. Yeah, difficult 343 00:24:18.759 --> 00:24:23.759 sometimes it's really fun. We bonded over there a lot. Is but he 344 00:24:25.359 --> 00:24:32.559 is my biggest critic. Yeah, as parents can be right. And and 345 00:24:32.599 --> 00:24:34.880 then you know you're in a program. You got into a program at South 346 00:24:34.920 --> 00:24:38.640 Point where this kind of became an expectation, or is an expectation for a 347 00:24:38.640 --> 00:24:41.799 lot of guys that you're going to have this kind of an opportunity being in 348 00:24:41.839 --> 00:24:47.000 that program. How did that sort of elevate you in terms of, you 349 00:24:47.039 --> 00:24:49.799 know, being in the position that you're in now. It just made me 350 00:24:49.880 --> 00:24:56.640 work hard, especially being around though prospects like and Louis couldova seeing them and 351 00:24:56.720 --> 00:25:00.559 not a fun or like I need some on my game. Yeah, it's 352 00:25:00.559 --> 00:25:02.839 it's funny because I was reading he used to live on the east side, 353 00:25:02.880 --> 00:25:06.559 right or maybe he distill does Santa Rita, Sienaga. And then you decided 354 00:25:07.119 --> 00:25:10.200 you decided to go to South Point, so that you had to. I 355 00:25:10.240 --> 00:25:12.000 mean, you saw those guys and you're saying and the good thing is you 356 00:25:12.000 --> 00:25:17.960 did that because now you're noticed or being noticed. Ye know, how was 357 00:25:18.000 --> 00:25:23.039 that said, Hey, this is a different world. It was a bit 358 00:25:23.119 --> 00:25:27.880 overwhelming. I was very exciting, but really nervous because it was a new 359 00:25:29.000 --> 00:25:33.519 territory from you know, but a welcome don't not sure? Yeah, I 360 00:25:33.559 --> 00:25:37.279 mean at some point you had to get it really excited about what, you 361 00:25:37.319 --> 00:25:41.079 know, what might be in front of you. Were you more excited or 362 00:25:41.119 --> 00:25:45.200 more nervous about whether you really were going to have this opportunity? You know, 363 00:25:45.240 --> 00:25:47.440 were you really were going to have a chance to get a scholarship and 364 00:25:47.960 --> 00:25:51.079 go to school and play football in college. You know, at what point 365 00:25:51.079 --> 00:25:55.119 did nervousness become Okay, I got this. Now I just got to improve 366 00:25:55.200 --> 00:26:02.319 my chances, improve my status. I think I got my first office from 367 00:26:02.319 --> 00:26:06.680 you. So when I got that I'm gay, I'm music, that made 368 00:26:06.799 --> 00:26:11.799 even work hard have a bigger work det It just got me very excited. 369 00:26:11.880 --> 00:26:15.160 How important was that first one? Because I saw the list U c l 370 00:26:15.200 --> 00:26:18.680 A Washington, Oregon state by you? Was there a close second? Was 371 00:26:18.720 --> 00:26:23.480 there a second? The second let the second choice? Yeah, second choice? 372 00:26:23.559 --> 00:26:26.640 Yeah, because you get your first love, which is probably Arizona, 373 00:26:26.759 --> 00:26:30.480 but then you get other choices. Oh my second one, what is you 374 00:26:30.559 --> 00:26:37.640 cla? Yeah? Yeah, but the first one they saw me early before 375 00:26:37.960 --> 00:26:41.480 I really got to like start with my skills. And then since the first 376 00:26:41.680 --> 00:26:48.359 offered me to been in contact NonStop Friday tips, don't know how much did 377 00:26:48.400 --> 00:26:51.599 that matter? Because I was told a previous player, one of the player, 378 00:26:51.680 --> 00:26:53.480 one of the from that great class that was with b Jean Robinson and 379 00:26:53.559 --> 00:26:56.599 those guys. One of those players who went who went out of town. 380 00:26:56.640 --> 00:27:02.279 He was a local kid um and they said one of the reasons he went 381 00:27:02.319 --> 00:27:06.720 to the school he went to was because that school was first. They were 382 00:27:06.759 --> 00:27:08.559 the first ones to make him an offer, and he stuck with him the 383 00:27:08.599 --> 00:27:12.640 whole way. How much of a big deal is that, obviously it was 384 00:27:12.720 --> 00:27:15.519 for you, and how much do you think it is for some of the 385 00:27:15.519 --> 00:27:21.079 other guys to you to you kind of play a favorite because they were the 386 00:27:21.119 --> 00:27:23.359 first ones to recognize you. Is is that a big deal to you guys? 387 00:27:25.720 --> 00:27:29.279 For me, it shows that they actually believed and cared for me, 388 00:27:30.960 --> 00:27:36.480 and if I think it goes the same with other guys too. So Stout 389 00:27:36.480 --> 00:27:40.799 Point has been a nice little train to a lot of success out there in 390 00:27:40.839 --> 00:27:44.079 college football. Is there any I don't know, pressure that might be too 391 00:27:44.160 --> 00:27:47.559 much of a word for you guys to continue that legacy, you know, 392 00:27:47.599 --> 00:27:49.720 Bejean and some others, Ransom and some of the guys going out and doing 393 00:27:49.759 --> 00:27:57.920 really well. I don't feel too much pressure about it because on our roster 394 00:27:59.000 --> 00:28:02.759 we have a bunch of pop talented guys, a lot of guys who did 395 00:28:02.839 --> 00:28:07.279 do multiple things. They just need that exposure. So I feel like in 396 00:28:07.359 --> 00:28:10.920 the upcoming years will be fine. So I want to ask you about the 397 00:28:11.279 --> 00:28:14.519 recruiting process a little bit because you know, Steve and I, you know, 398 00:28:14.599 --> 00:28:17.519 we weren't college recruits of any sort. Even if we were, it 399 00:28:17.519 --> 00:28:19.839 would have been so long ago. It's different now, you know, you 400 00:28:19.960 --> 00:28:23.759 got you know, there's the whole aspect of nil. There's a whole aspect 401 00:28:23.759 --> 00:28:27.119 of the trans reporter where you may be getting recruited by somebody all of a 402 00:28:27.160 --> 00:28:32.359 sudden they you know, that school might pull in a player at your position 403 00:28:32.720 --> 00:28:36.119 who's got experience, and who's you know, who's gonna who's gonna play and 404 00:28:36.160 --> 00:28:40.599 whatnot. How do all those things factor in for for you or how did 405 00:28:40.640 --> 00:28:44.079 they factor in for you when you were deciding where to go? You know, 406 00:28:44.319 --> 00:28:48.279 how much is NIL playing? And not just your recruiting but other people's 407 00:28:48.279 --> 00:28:53.559 recruiting and then all the other issues that had come with that and my recruiting. 408 00:28:55.119 --> 00:29:00.400 I didn't really and I owe it a big part of it. My 409 00:29:00.559 --> 00:29:06.640 biggest part was seeing the players and what they do to take care of them. 410 00:29:06.640 --> 00:29:11.559 On an office field, that's a typically, well you're exactly what they 411 00:29:11.599 --> 00:29:14.680 need. What six five two forty? Is that right? You're probably gonna 412 00:29:14.680 --> 00:29:18.720 get bigger than that. They need some guys on the line who are aggressive, 413 00:29:18.400 --> 00:29:22.200 so you must be just kind of chumping at the bit ready to go, 414 00:29:22.839 --> 00:29:27.039 even though you have another year with high school. Oh, sir, 415 00:29:29.799 --> 00:29:33.039 I will get bigger, I tend. My goal is to be too fifty 416 00:29:33.119 --> 00:29:37.160 by the end of my senior year, so that I'm big closer to where 417 00:29:37.160 --> 00:29:41.079 they need me be on the line to be able to play my quest year. 418 00:29:41.200 --> 00:29:45.480 Sure, how much is this a big load off your mind to have 419 00:29:45.559 --> 00:29:48.599 made up your mind on this so you don't have to go into you know, 420 00:29:48.680 --> 00:29:51.640 the season and still be uncertain and stuff like that? Is that part 421 00:29:51.720 --> 00:29:55.680 of why you committed, you know when you did to just kind of sort 422 00:29:55.680 --> 00:29:56.799 of be done with it? And are you done with it? Or you 423 00:29:56.799 --> 00:30:03.839 know, are you still getting contacts from people now? Well, I'm not 424 00:30:03.880 --> 00:30:08.839 getting contacted by anyone. I'm just talking about my costes. But the reason 425 00:30:08.880 --> 00:30:15.039 why I did commit so early it was years because just even leaves the other 426 00:30:15.119 --> 00:30:21.720 spins and when I did married me it was really so but they both shut 427 00:30:21.759 --> 00:30:23.279 off my back. Yeah, sure, no, good, it's tiring. 428 00:30:23.599 --> 00:30:26.799 It's tired. You get the calls and it's constant and YadA YadA, you 429 00:30:26.920 --> 00:30:30.519 know, and it probably you're now you're getting ready for the senior year, 430 00:30:30.559 --> 00:30:33.799 senior year in high school, so it kind of makes it just for you 431 00:30:33.839 --> 00:30:36.319 know, enjoyed football. Yeah, it tiring? I mean did you kind 432 00:30:36.359 --> 00:30:37.960 of get tired of the whole process? I mean, was it just did 433 00:30:38.000 --> 00:30:42.519 it wear you out? It was tiring? Right? Did you let me 434 00:30:42.559 --> 00:30:48.680 out all the phone calls? It kind of because I'll be risking my family 435 00:30:49.920 --> 00:30:59.359 and then I'm like, but it's over. Well, I will say, 436 00:30:59.359 --> 00:31:02.039 you look good in the uniform. I love the picture that you know that 437 00:31:02.400 --> 00:31:04.799 got posted. How fun? How fun is that part of the you know, 438 00:31:04.920 --> 00:31:08.240 the visit when you put on the uniform and do the photo shoot and 439 00:31:08.319 --> 00:31:11.720 all that kind of stuff. Did you have a blast with that? Was 440 00:31:11.720 --> 00:31:12.279 it kind of like, Okay, I gotta do this. I mean, 441 00:31:12.319 --> 00:31:17.400 how did you take that? Oh? It was? It was great. 442 00:31:17.440 --> 00:31:22.000 It's really fun, especially having my siblings in my family and you either smile 443 00:31:22.160 --> 00:31:26.480 or they're doing their poses. It is amazing. Right, So is that 444 00:31:26.519 --> 00:31:29.960 going to be your number yet? Do you know that yet? The number 445 00:31:30.039 --> 00:31:33.480 that the jersey that you wore, or have they Have you even gotten that 446 00:31:33.599 --> 00:31:36.119 far with that? You know? What? What do you know about what 447 00:31:36.240 --> 00:31:38.839 it's going to be like for you when you're actually when you actually get there, 448 00:31:40.160 --> 00:31:44.519 you know, after you're done in high school. Once I get there, 449 00:31:44.680 --> 00:31:48.680 I know it's going to be difficult to get a spot, and I'm 450 00:31:48.759 --> 00:31:52.160 kind of looking forward to because if it's not, I'm not right because I 451 00:31:52.279 --> 00:31:55.559 want people with the same mindset as me who are very competitive. If I 452 00:31:55.599 --> 00:32:01.599 don't have that, then you know, Phil, what what are you both 453 00:32:01.680 --> 00:32:05.599 looking forward to now? At south Point this year? How good are you 454 00:32:05.680 --> 00:32:15.200 guys going to be? Will be amazing? Let's see what thanks, he 455 00:32:15.279 --> 00:32:19.200 says with a chuckle, like you're ready for us. You have no idea 456 00:32:19.240 --> 00:32:24.200 what's coming at you? Right? All right, Keona, that's a lot 457 00:32:24.240 --> 00:32:27.400 of fun. You know, hey, best of luck to senior season. 458 00:32:27.519 --> 00:32:30.640 Looking forward to seeing you in a in a uniform whether you were fifty five 459 00:32:30.759 --> 00:32:35.480 or not. But uh, you know, congratulations man, you know it 460 00:32:35.599 --> 00:32:39.359 sounds like you put in a lot of hard work. Great, thank you, 461 00:32:39.640 --> 00:32:45.279 great to have you. Thanks so much. Kona will Hate from seth 462 00:32:45.359 --> 00:32:49.160 Point. Sounds like a good kid. Yeah, you know how I know 463 00:32:49.240 --> 00:32:52.279 this who the way he sounded, but he has two parents that were in 464 00:32:52.279 --> 00:32:57.440 the army. It's a you're a good kid or else, right, I 465 00:32:57.480 --> 00:33:01.559 should though, that's pretty much kind that's kind of did you have a military 466 00:33:01.880 --> 00:33:06.079 No, no, no, My dad was in the military, but not 467 00:33:06.160 --> 00:33:08.079 for very long. It is certainly not now. He was out by the 468 00:33:08.160 --> 00:33:10.920 time he started his family, So we didn't have a We didn't have a 469 00:33:10.960 --> 00:33:13.920 lot of them. Yeah, but he was. He was kind of military, 470 00:33:14.000 --> 00:33:15.799 like, wouldn't he as as far as that goes, Yeah, I 471 00:33:15.880 --> 00:33:20.160 mean he was disciplinarian and all that kind of stuff. Yeah, you know, 472 00:33:20.759 --> 00:33:24.240 Okay, Okay, he was scary sometimes. Yes, Okay, let's 473 00:33:24.240 --> 00:33:28.240 take a break. It's nice. Nice to have a should have Keana well 474 00:33:28.319 --> 00:33:30.160 Hike, thank you for for being on the show. Stick around. We 475 00:33:30.240 --> 00:33:35.039 still got Ray Wells coming up. We're gonna have a serious nil conversation with 476 00:33:35.200 --> 00:33:53.319 him in the second hour, So we'll be back. 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We have a lot of listeners. I loved Kean will HiT's answer 527 00:37:25.599 --> 00:37:29.320 to the you know, we asked him the nil question and he said, 528 00:37:29.920 --> 00:37:30.880 you know, what was important to him was, you know, how they 529 00:37:31.000 --> 00:37:34.679 treated me and how they treat their players in the future and you know, 530 00:37:34.920 --> 00:37:37.639 developed right, and how they developed players and stuff like that. Now, 531 00:37:37.960 --> 00:37:40.280 I don't know if that says that there's not a lot, you know, 532 00:37:40.360 --> 00:37:44.719 a lot of money flowing around over there, but or you know, maybe 533 00:37:44.760 --> 00:37:47.559 he you know, he's got something going and it keeps it to himself. 534 00:37:47.599 --> 00:37:52.199 But you know, what he said was important to him was that, you 535 00:37:52.280 --> 00:37:53.079 know, I wanted to see how they you know, how they handled their 536 00:37:53.119 --> 00:37:57.679 players. And in the end, that's got a matter, right, because 537 00:37:57.679 --> 00:38:00.159 if you're making all the money in the world and it's a crappy place to 538 00:38:00.239 --> 00:38:02.639 be, it's no fun either. No, of course it's not unless you 539 00:38:02.719 --> 00:38:06.519 have obligations that you have to do that. But yeah, no, there's 540 00:38:06.679 --> 00:38:08.519 nothing more miserable being in the place you don't want to be. Yeah, 541 00:38:08.599 --> 00:38:13.280 So I thought that was, you know, interesting stuff. But he's a 542 00:38:13.360 --> 00:38:15.639 three star, so he's a guy who's you know, got got a lot 543 00:38:15.639 --> 00:38:20.159 of looks. Six four two forty and he's a three star. Get a 544 00:38:20.159 --> 00:38:29.079 hold of monte get Troy and them on the phone. Yeah, okay, 545 00:38:30.039 --> 00:38:34.039 who comes up with his numbers? I don't know. Kids, well, 546 00:38:34.280 --> 00:38:36.639 you know well, And that's kind of the one of the funny things about 547 00:38:36.679 --> 00:38:42.079 it, because you know that sometimes the stars depend on you know, who's 548 00:38:42.280 --> 00:38:44.679 who's recruiting. He's recruiting like you might be a three star, all of 549 00:38:44.679 --> 00:38:46.480 sudden order dame comes calling. Oh, now you're a four star just because 550 00:38:46.519 --> 00:38:51.519 of that, not because you got any better. Right, what's what's that 551 00:38:51.639 --> 00:38:55.400 movie with Patrick Dempsey? Patrick Dempsey here? That was fimland tsa Can't Bind 552 00:38:55.440 --> 00:38:59.840 Me Love? How did his appeal get better? Ore there? Women? 553 00:39:00.239 --> 00:39:04.199 Yeah, he was a little exactly exact recruiting. Yeah, yeah, that 554 00:39:04.320 --> 00:39:08.480 was yeah. I I didn't think that that would come along as part of 555 00:39:08.519 --> 00:39:15.360 our recruiting discussion. But it fits. But that's fit. I will say 556 00:39:15.440 --> 00:39:20.599 that does fit. The more the hotter the women like you, the better 557 00:39:20.719 --> 00:39:23.280 the more stars you get, you get no matter how you look. And 558 00:39:23.360 --> 00:39:29.239 then and then he became a dreamy with all that. Okay, but yeah, 559 00:39:29.280 --> 00:39:31.360 that's just how it is. No fantastic six foot four and the edge 560 00:39:31.440 --> 00:39:37.079 Rusher uh and maybe his buddy uh Elijah. Yeah, we'll we'll decide on 561 00:39:37.119 --> 00:39:39.679 Arizona too. I guess we get about a week for that. That's funny. 562 00:39:39.719 --> 00:39:43.239 On one of the one of the text threads that I that I'm on, 563 00:39:43.400 --> 00:39:49.880 we were running down the best Arizona football players from Tucson, Okay, 564 00:39:50.000 --> 00:39:52.159 and we're just we're just running a list of who they were, you know, 565 00:39:52.320 --> 00:39:57.960 and and obviously you know guys like Codem carry Um, Vance Johnson came 566 00:39:58.039 --> 00:40:01.320 up. I contributed Vance Johnson. These guys are not nobody. Those guys. 567 00:40:01.800 --> 00:40:07.079 I'm sure David is not listening to us, but what are people watching 568 00:40:07.199 --> 00:40:10.559 his teammate? Who's his teammates? Sims? Yeah, Larry Smith went to 569 00:40:10.599 --> 00:40:15.280 see Fred Simms and he saw David Adams and John Horton, and both of 570 00:40:15.320 --> 00:40:17.039 those guys end up being, you know, long time stars in Arizona. 571 00:40:17.519 --> 00:40:22.880 But um, you know Cadeem carry Um Brooks read his name came up. 572 00:40:23.599 --> 00:40:25.559 Um, God, who are some of the others? I should go back 573 00:40:25.559 --> 00:40:31.320 to the thread, um, but we're we're reaching back to just I threw 574 00:40:31.360 --> 00:40:35.360 in another these guys know that these guys have heard of Jim Crown. He 575 00:40:35.519 --> 00:40:38.599 was a kid out of a kid out of Amphi started playing it. He 576 00:40:38.719 --> 00:40:42.679 was in the Tony Mason years. Uh. He was a starter as a 577 00:40:42.760 --> 00:40:49.639 freshman option quarterback. I mean, uh, that team had a game where 578 00:40:49.639 --> 00:40:52.880 they only threw two passes and won the game. It would have been seventy 579 00:40:52.960 --> 00:40:58.519 six before seventy seven seventy eight time frame. Um. But there were a 580 00:40:58.599 --> 00:41:00.760 whole bunch of uh, you know, God him, I'm looking through this. 581 00:41:01.079 --> 00:41:05.440 Um. Adam Hall, remember Adam Hall. He was, he was 582 00:41:05.519 --> 00:41:07.880 really good and then he got hurt that he was the defensive back out of 583 00:41:08.239 --> 00:41:14.760 the safety out of Santa Rita. Um. Uh, Jared Tavis Mark Arnisson 584 00:41:14.880 --> 00:41:19.440 was a name, Jake Fisher. They threw in Jake Jake Fisher's name came 585 00:41:19.519 --> 00:41:24.159 up Mike Dawson for a lot of years, obviously, John Fena. Um. 586 00:41:24.440 --> 00:41:28.079 Yeah, you'll know who was on the stadt. I tell you. 587 00:41:28.159 --> 00:41:32.519 Jacob Barsooman. Yeah, he was on his thread under his brother through his 588 00:41:32.639 --> 00:41:36.000 name. And I see this picture and I don't know why I can't. 589 00:41:36.039 --> 00:41:38.360 I'm spishing it. But another guy that we covered back in eighty eight, 590 00:41:38.920 --> 00:41:44.119 Big dude, big dude, he's a cyclist. Now he got hurt his 591 00:41:44.199 --> 00:41:47.679 knee Uh god, he's a friend of mine. He works for Chevrock. 592 00:41:49.039 --> 00:41:52.880 Oh a Doug Panner. No, no, no, God, it'll come 593 00:41:52.920 --> 00:41:57.039 to me once we stopped. It'll no. He's he's no a cyclist, 594 00:41:57.599 --> 00:42:00.119 but he was an offensive, defensive, offensive lineman. Big dude. Oh 595 00:42:00.639 --> 00:42:04.440 god, it's good to kill me. Uh eighty eight. He was. 596 00:42:04.599 --> 00:42:07.920 He was a pretty all American um from Tucson out the google. Oh oh 597 00:42:08.039 --> 00:42:13.119 oh oh oh yeah, the big guy. But um um um um, 598 00:42:13.360 --> 00:42:15.199 Mike Escos, that's it right with my high school. Yeah, that's that 599 00:42:15.320 --> 00:42:19.320 guy. Yeah, that's our high school. That's a good name. You 600 00:42:19.519 --> 00:42:22.960 remembered. And I see him. He's a cyclist now, Uh, but 601 00:42:22.480 --> 00:42:25.440 not the guy you thought you saw him. You'd never guess that. That's 602 00:42:25.480 --> 00:42:29.360 Mike Jasco. He was a big dude. He's a big dude now he's 603 00:42:29.360 --> 00:42:31.559 a thin big dude. He was a man among boys in high school. 604 00:42:31.679 --> 00:42:34.920 Yeah, he really was. You know. I watched him play and he 605 00:42:35.000 --> 00:42:37.039 just he was just run over him and he got hurt, prettier. He 606 00:42:37.199 --> 00:42:42.079 very barely played. Yeah in Arizona, I remember that um play Heart get 607 00:42:42.119 --> 00:42:45.639 out of out of Morana? Who was sat David? Is that including that 608 00:42:45.800 --> 00:42:47.679 same David the kid you know those guys. Yeah, I know we're talking 609 00:42:47.760 --> 00:42:51.519 to son that doesn't they through Clay Heart's name. He said, if if 610 00:42:51.559 --> 00:42:54.400 you count Morana uh In, you know, in that group. So it's 611 00:42:54.400 --> 00:42:59.079 pretty fun going through that whole that whole listen, running through guys. Uh 612 00:42:59.400 --> 00:43:00.400 So, who was at who'd you come up with? Well, we just 613 00:43:00.480 --> 00:43:04.400 came up with a blatz. We're just coming up with a list. It 614 00:43:04.440 --> 00:43:07.840 wasn't necessarily trying to pick the best one. It was just a list of 615 00:43:07.960 --> 00:43:10.519 guys. Did I say Jared Tevis, Yeah, he's a Jared Tevis. 616 00:43:10.719 --> 00:43:15.400 So. Mark Arnson, who played with a lot of years with the Cardinals, 617 00:43:15.480 --> 00:43:19.679 came out of Poliverdi High School in the sixties. You know when we 618 00:43:19.800 --> 00:43:22.760 covered I'm unto this name about you, and I thought he was like a 619 00:43:22.880 --> 00:43:28.000 torpedo when he played eighty eight, eighty nine, ish uh Spurlock, Mike 620 00:43:28.119 --> 00:43:34.000 Scarlock, Slock, Skirlock out of buff dude, sunnyside of someone of those 621 00:43:34.039 --> 00:43:36.719 sunny side Yeah, I think it was a sunny side dude. Yeah, 622 00:43:36.760 --> 00:43:39.480 and then awful ninety one year that he was like, you know, six 623 00:43:39.599 --> 00:43:45.239 two two h five and he played middle linebacker for that team because they were 624 00:43:45.280 --> 00:43:46.920 out of guys, they had so many injuries. That was Dick Toomy's a 625 00:43:47.039 --> 00:43:51.800 ninety. And then he go played Ohio State. I remember saying. They 626 00:43:51.840 --> 00:43:54.519 showed an end zone shot of Scarlock on a skirlock on a blitz and then 627 00:43:54.559 --> 00:43:58.400 he never even got close to the line because they were just they just put 628 00:43:58.480 --> 00:44:00.119 up a wallet in front of him. But those guys tried so hard. 629 00:44:00.559 --> 00:44:04.800 But yeah, Mike Scarlock remember that name as well. Oh yeah, um 630 00:44:04.880 --> 00:44:07.760 yeah. But David Adams, uh, you know, and and you know, 631 00:44:08.000 --> 00:44:13.440 um um and uh. Keona Wilhide mentioned that a little bit that or 632 00:44:13.760 --> 00:44:17.400 Eric Rodgers said it that guys were coming to see Elijah rushing and then they 633 00:44:17.440 --> 00:44:21.599 saw Keona Wilhide, you know, and they're like, who's that guy? 634 00:44:21.920 --> 00:44:23.599 And that's what that's what David Adams, you know, because David Adams was 635 00:44:23.719 --> 00:44:29.800 five foot nothing right and and uh and you know, Larry Smith got two 636 00:44:29.840 --> 00:44:34.280 guys out of there when fred Fred Simms uh ended up going to Oklahoma. 637 00:44:35.039 --> 00:44:37.639 So okay, So that's yeah, but that was fun. That was a 638 00:44:37.679 --> 00:44:40.840 fun exercise we went through. And so just a bunch of guys from you 639 00:44:40.880 --> 00:44:44.480 know, guys from Tucson. And you know there's been a lot of players, 640 00:44:44.519 --> 00:44:50.440 but not a lot of but fewer who actually made a huge impact, 641 00:44:50.800 --> 00:44:52.519 you know. But you know I was condemn carry. I think you know, 642 00:44:52.639 --> 00:44:55.599 you can argue was the best of them, all right, you can 643 00:44:55.719 --> 00:44:58.920 argue that. Yeah, I don't know how Fred Simms was, how good 644 00:44:59.000 --> 00:45:02.679 was from Fredsons and played Arizona though, okay, you know, yeah, 645 00:45:02.880 --> 00:45:07.280 yeah, local guys probably, I mean VNS Johnson was here as a running 646 00:45:07.320 --> 00:45:09.519 back and he should have been a wide receiver the whole time, and he 647 00:45:09.599 --> 00:45:14.079 was a wide receiver in the NFL, and he's probably had wouldn't he be 648 00:45:14.159 --> 00:45:19.639 the more colorful, more um the established guy from Locals who played in the 649 00:45:19.760 --> 00:45:22.559 NFL because condem did. Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, yeah, 650 00:45:22.599 --> 00:45:24.159 VNS Johnson played a lot of years in the NFL. You know him, 651 00:45:24.320 --> 00:45:30.480 John Fena, I remember John Ena was not No, he's not if he 652 00:45:30.559 --> 00:45:32.519 just came in and he built himself into that player that he became. Yeah, 653 00:45:32.559 --> 00:45:36.320 and then he moved, he was moved. He was came in on 654 00:45:36.679 --> 00:45:39.320 the defensive line and moved offensive line. So up there next to Glenn Partners. 655 00:45:39.800 --> 00:45:44.000 If anything, um Dick told me, we know he was the father 656 00:45:44.079 --> 00:45:46.480 flying again type. They love playing for him. But he evaluated talent pretty 657 00:45:46.519 --> 00:45:50.239 good. He could tell, you know, he could tell guys. And 658 00:45:50.280 --> 00:45:53.840 then he again Dick told me knew who Arizona was right when he came to 659 00:45:53.960 --> 00:45:58.880 recruit. You know, now, the one time he got killed. I 660 00:45:59.000 --> 00:46:00.599 was just gonna tell you that. I was just gonna say that because he 661 00:46:00.639 --> 00:46:05.440 got shot for the stars and you can argue that that led to ultimately led 662 00:46:05.480 --> 00:46:08.519 to him. Yeah, you know, you know, but but wouldn't you 663 00:46:08.719 --> 00:46:14.639 because I thought this would happen with rich Rod after the or the fistival success, 664 00:46:15.119 --> 00:46:17.199 You're thinking, Okay, we got to get some guy people know Arizona 665 00:46:17.280 --> 00:46:21.559 and that kind of fell flat too. They couldn't they could establish themselves from 666 00:46:21.639 --> 00:46:24.719 that Arizona because Arizona's Arizona. So but you guess what, Jay, guess 667 00:46:24.760 --> 00:46:28.360 what, Jay, you're listening to me now, because they are in the 668 00:46:28.880 --> 00:46:34.559 twelve the right football I've always thought that. Never, I've never I've never 669 00:46:35.800 --> 00:46:39.960 veered from that opinion in football. They are in basketball, they're yeah, 670 00:46:40.000 --> 00:46:45.559 all the way at the time, they're they're a program that's gonna have to 671 00:46:45.199 --> 00:46:50.960 get you know, evaluate they're much better than everybody else. You're not gonna 672 00:46:50.960 --> 00:46:53.000 go get a guy just just because he's a five Star. You're gonna get 673 00:46:53.000 --> 00:46:58.920 a guy who fits what you do and then who you can develop over time. 674 00:46:59.519 --> 00:47:00.679 Um, you know, Conde Carrey was one of those guys as good 675 00:47:00.719 --> 00:47:06.159 as he was Teddy Bruski his last two years. You know, you know, 676 00:47:06.360 --> 00:47:08.199 they all came in as guy, as just guys, and then they 677 00:47:08.239 --> 00:47:12.880 became that, they became the stars that they became, right, and they 678 00:47:12.920 --> 00:47:15.679 weren't always destined for that. They came in did the work, and you 679 00:47:15.760 --> 00:47:17.480 have to have not only you have to have some physical ability, but you 680 00:47:17.519 --> 00:47:22.280 have to have the mindset. Yeah, you have to have that mindset to 681 00:47:22.360 --> 00:47:25.079 come in, do that work, put in that work, be patient in 682 00:47:25.199 --> 00:47:30.119 a lot of ways to be able to get there. Yep. And you 683 00:47:30.199 --> 00:47:32.719 know guys who aren't patient. You know, Arizone is not that team. 684 00:47:32.920 --> 00:47:36.719 Yeah, no, they don't. Those guys leave or don't orally give up. 685 00:47:37.199 --> 00:47:39.760 Um, because you don't see I mean, come on, you don't 686 00:47:39.800 --> 00:47:43.800 see the five stars, the four stars and the guy that they had from 687 00:47:43.800 --> 00:47:46.480 Florida right s lasted about a three days yeah, and even that yeah, 688 00:47:46.760 --> 00:47:50.679 and then went to Florida yeah, so, you know. I mean, 689 00:47:50.880 --> 00:47:53.800 look, I remember the one name the six when John John mcvicoinne got that 690 00:47:53.880 --> 00:47:58.159 kids Sean O'Hare quarterback, Yeah, and they thought he this guy, I 691 00:47:58.159 --> 00:48:00.079 don't know if he was a five star even had starts at that time, 692 00:48:00.519 --> 00:48:05.239 but he was widely considered one of the top quarterbacks in the country. And 693 00:48:05.559 --> 00:48:09.239 knowing that the program was already in the crapper because of Macavic, my opinion 694 00:48:09.639 --> 00:48:15.199 was there's something wrong with him because Arizona was able to get him that. 695 00:48:15.519 --> 00:48:22.679 I didn't think he was legitimate top quarterback recruit because I thought if he was, 696 00:48:22.119 --> 00:48:25.679 he wouldn't have come to Arizona or he was convinced somehow, And he 697 00:48:25.760 --> 00:48:29.440 didn't. He didn't. He didn't. He wasn't he didn't. He didn't 698 00:48:29.480 --> 00:48:31.880 pan out. Yeah, he didn't pan out out and it didn't work out 699 00:48:31.960 --> 00:48:37.599 for him. Same with the guy that that that uh that uh that someone 700 00:48:37.719 --> 00:48:43.719 had the kid, No, the quarterback, Um, what the hell was 701 00:48:43.760 --> 00:48:45.480 his name? He's been to like four schools since then. Oh Oh yeah, 702 00:48:45.559 --> 00:48:50.960 good Goodell that one yeah, yeah, grank Canel. Yeah, he's 703 00:48:51.239 --> 00:48:53.960 he's I don't even know where he's at now, right, you know, 704 00:48:54.119 --> 00:48:58.159 So I mean, you know, you just don't know. Uh No, 705 00:48:58.679 --> 00:49:01.599 that's one thing you just don't know. And for for rich Rod, the 706 00:49:01.679 --> 00:49:07.119 best quarterback he had, with all apologies to Dawkins was Khalil Yeah by a 707 00:49:07.199 --> 00:49:10.119 lot, Yeah a lot. And it took him. It took him by 708 00:49:10.119 --> 00:49:14.159 accident. It was. It was a complete accident that he found it. 709 00:49:14.239 --> 00:49:16.599 I remember watching that game at a bar, the Colorado again, the Colorado 710 00:49:16.639 --> 00:49:20.719 game, and we're like, oh god, here comes here comes Brandon Dawkins. 711 00:49:20.800 --> 00:49:22.280 He can't throw the ball and then he gets hurt. Then this kid 712 00:49:22.400 --> 00:49:24.679 comes in, he go, what the hell is going why? And then 713 00:49:24.760 --> 00:49:29.119 he did it again again and again, also what the hell is going on? 714 00:49:29.639 --> 00:49:31.800 And before the end of the game, order like, why hasn't he? 715 00:49:32.320 --> 00:49:36.079 That was the question I was gonna say. You're thinking yourself, how 716 00:49:36.119 --> 00:49:37.920 did this happen? You know that he's good obviously, Why hadn't he? 717 00:49:38.119 --> 00:49:40.519 Why hadn't he? What was what was the deal? Because we saw a 718 00:49:40.559 --> 00:49:43.519 little bit of him the year before. I remember he had to come in 719 00:49:43.920 --> 00:49:47.440 in the game at UCLA UM and you know, and you could tell he 720 00:49:47.559 --> 00:49:51.079 was raw. He just ran the ball a lot because he you tell, 721 00:49:51.079 --> 00:49:52.840 he didn't really know the offense though, I think, and I think right 722 00:49:52.920 --> 00:49:55.920 there was the answer to the question. He really didn't know the offer. 723 00:49:57.320 --> 00:49:59.039 So then all of a sudden he comes in in this game and it's like, 724 00:49:59.079 --> 00:50:00.480 what the hell? And then he did like four games in a row 725 00:50:00.480 --> 00:50:07.599 and you go, what the hell run putting forest gun into forest game, 726 00:50:07.760 --> 00:50:12.840 ri Rod, what the hell were you doing? And it was a fun 727 00:50:12.920 --> 00:50:15.920 time for you fans because you're thinking, you're thinking he was like four times 728 00:50:16.159 --> 00:50:19.360 player of the week in the back that they couldn't stop him. Yeah, 729 00:50:19.400 --> 00:50:22.199 this was the guy that Arizona had been looking until until I want to say, 730 00:50:22.280 --> 00:50:25.480 until the Hue game when he got hit and he says, I don't 731 00:50:25.519 --> 00:50:31.280 need this though I don't like, you don't want this kid? So no, 732 00:50:31.400 --> 00:50:35.360 I you know, but um, you just you know, you just 733 00:50:35.440 --> 00:50:37.880 don't know. And again when you when you go back through all you're the 734 00:50:37.920 --> 00:50:42.679 guys who were the top players at Arizona, you know Hall of Fame guys, 735 00:50:42.800 --> 00:50:45.039 right, Well, Ricky Honey was a was a prized recruit. But 736 00:50:45.239 --> 00:50:50.519 you think you know, Rob Waldrop, you know underside you're short right for 737 00:50:50.599 --> 00:50:54.199 a defensive lineman, Jendy Bruce Ki not you know, not super recruited Chuck 738 00:50:54.320 --> 00:50:59.639 Cecil. They were guys that that made themselves into what they were. No, 739 00:51:00.239 --> 00:51:02.639 no question can come in with that, no question. None of those 740 00:51:02.679 --> 00:51:07.199 guys were steven. Remember that as we only have fifty seconds. So did 741 00:51:07.280 --> 00:51:12.639 they make them or did the coaches make coaches make them both? But you 742 00:51:12.679 --> 00:51:15.480 don't understand if you have that in you, you're gonna you could turn them 743 00:51:15.559 --> 00:51:19.000 and you still need a coach to draw it out, right, So so 744 00:51:19.800 --> 00:51:22.880 maybe we'll discuss this later on the other half. Yeah, yeah, I 745 00:51:22.960 --> 00:51:24.400 think you know, you know, you have to have a coaches to have 746 00:51:24.559 --> 00:51:28.960 to draw that stuff out, and they happen to have guys who could. 747 00:51:29.039 --> 00:51:30.960 So all right, let's take our break top of the hour. We're gonna 748 00:51:30.960 --> 00:51:35.039 come back with breaking news and it's all over the place. Let's stick around. 749 00:51:42.199 --> 00:51:46.079 Don't believe they just lie. Don't believe they just don't believe that. 750 00:51:46.199 --> 00:51:49.760 Just laugh. Don't believe that, just laugh.