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What Up? Everyone? Welcome back
to huge episode of the dragon Ball Virgin.

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First, I'll introduce the hosts,
Me goes On from anime Uproar,

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and of course the dragon Ball Virgin. Ray What Up? Ray? What

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Up? Goes And I can't believe
we are at the end of dragon Ball

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Super Yes, we are at the
end of the series portion obviously as any

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like hardcore fan knows, not even
hardcore like, there is a movie after

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this that will discuss the Browley movie. And Ray I was thinking, like,

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maybe also watch all of the Browley
movies up to that point, because

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there's three, and then watch the
Cannon one to see kind of because you

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already watched the first Browle movie.
But so we can kind of compare how

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we like the official Cannon Browley versus
the old Browley. So yeah, it's

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like four movies that'll be It's like, we won't have a bunch of episodes,

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just like four movies that will be
in two weeks, so you'll have

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plenty of time for that. We
have that. But yeah, this is

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a huge day because we are actually
got from the beginning of the dragon Ball

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anime series all the way to the
end of the dragon Ball super anime series,

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Like that's pretty much every Cannon anime
series. There's also dragon Ball GT,

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but this is like literally everything Canon
we've covered. So it's it's fucking

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crazy, it's fun crazy. Still
got movies, still got manga, still

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got potentially GT. But wow,
how does it feel? Ray? You've

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literally watched like you went from being
a dragon Ball version to probably watching more

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than a lot of huge fans that
just didn't catch every episode. No,

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it feels great. And I could
finally look through that sixteenth month calendar I

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got for Christmas of dragon Ball Super
and not be worried about spoilers. So

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did you actually look at it?
I haven't looked through it. An't know,

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Okay, I'm just wondering if like
there's there's some Ultra instinct or if

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that was before Ultra instinct. But
I guess we'll find out. But yeah,

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what are your initial thoughts on how
they ended it on this second part

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of the Tournament of Power of gr
N like the strongest villain we've seen up

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to this point, right, Yeah, So we were kind of talking briefly

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about it before we went live,
and I think they wrapped it up pretty

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well. Um, I liked the
idea of I mentioned this last time,

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but bringing in different universes, you
know, expanding the world. That was

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pretty cool. And this was such
a different tournament from what we're used to,

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where it wasn't that one on one
situation. It was just an absolute

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battle royal free for all, and
it was It was entertaining. It was

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very difficult to follow at times in
terms of not necessarily when you're watching it,

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but looking back and trying to recount
who fought who, You're like,

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wow, we there was a lot
of like that's the thing, a lot

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of characters. I ordered an iPad, which is a random fact, but

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I am looking forward to it.
It's an iPad pro, and like they

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say, it's good for note taking, so I planned to incorporate that for

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like what I'm watching series. So
like, let's say there was a fight

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in this case between like seventeen and
like something that stood out, I can

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actually, you know, like take
a note on it. So yeah,

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luckily I did that for this.
I have that I perfect in place so

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I can guide us in case we
ever need any sort of refresher But yeah,

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I mean, overall, it was
pretty entertaining and it's kind of what

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I predicted there. I did not
predict seventeen to be the last person standing,

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so that was quite interesting or last
I guess he's a robot. Yeah,

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that surprised me too about this whole
arc as a whole, like the

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Tournament of Power. I mean,
I'm cool with it, but I just

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never thought that seventeen would return in
such a big way for the series,

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right, like, you know,
you kind of I don't even think about

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seventeen, and then all of a
sudden he's introduced that. All of a

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sudden, he's playing like, you
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in the tournament for our side,
which is pretty crazy. Yeah, it's

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weird, and I guess the good
thing about it. The thing I liked

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about it was his wish was so
just like sincere and wholesome, like just

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to take his family out on a
cruise, whereas a lot of these other

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people had these ill intentions with their
wishes. So it was cool to have

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this person who again at first just
wanted this cruise, but then obviously he

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chose to bring everyone back, which
I did predict that would probably happen,

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and we turned out it was like
that was kind of the tricked trick sorry

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that the Grand Zenos had in the
case fucked up. So it's like it

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feels a self like think about like
how much like trickery is a foot?

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So first they say everyone's gonna be
erased except the people that win, and

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then if the people that win make
a selfish wish, everyone's gonna be erased,

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and it's like, what the fuck? I know, oh my god,

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but yeah, good thing freezer that
make the wish? Was the original

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intent of the Grand Zenos? Was
it just to erase the bottom universes?

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Like it wasn't erase it wasn't at
the weak universes, yeah, the weak

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ones. So really their first intention
was again to the viewer ourselves, that's

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why it was so shocking, was
like, just to erase the weaker ones.

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Then you're going to raise every single
universe except the one that wins the

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tournament, and then potentially they would
have erased everyone like it just would have

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been. So I'm not super clear
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like the strongest universes weren't even competing
in this tournament, so so there could

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potentially be more. I don't know
if like that's factual but I've heard that

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people talking about that. Um,
so yeah, we'll see as the story

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goes on if that is the case. There are other universes that just like

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are so strong they didn't even need
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for them to explore later. Yeah. So, I mean there was some

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unpredictableness at times about this particular arc, and I'll get into what those things

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are. But I just gotta say, I just got this comment that's hilarious.

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Big Zam says, you buy an
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an android. I didn't even get
that at first, but yeah, seventeen

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was saved. Seventeen saved the world
and he's an android and I never thought

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of that. That's a fucking good
comment right there. That's great. Wow,

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it took me like five minutes to
understand it. But yeah, we

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could get into it chronologically. Yeah, so I think we started with Roh

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because Krollin was out at this point. So ros she ends up facing that

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girl who wants to seduce him.
And good for Rosh. I mean,

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he he really shined there and everyone
was very impressed with the way he handled

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some of those fights. Obviously his
big technique was the containment wave. He

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brought that throwback back, which was
pretty cool to see. But yeah,

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I mean he stood his own.
He um ended up I think beating one

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of those or getting one of those
girls out of the ring, I don't

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want to say beating one of those
girls is. And then there's that.

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I think there's like this creature that
turns into this bird like creature, and

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he ended up being able to um
defeat that amazingly well. For like,

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considering, you know, what we
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didn't do as well, Like I
don't know for Gohan. I mean,

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he had his moments, but you
know, again, if you're always comparing

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him to the Ghost of Super Saiyan
two team Gohan and then like comparing him

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to what Goquin Magida did in this
tournament, you know, you almost feel

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like he could have done more,
while people like Roshy you're like all congrats,

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Like I did not expect him to
do that much because besides his time

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when he had that alter ego Jackie
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this is probably the second best moment
he had within all of Dragon Ball,

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because he always pretty much takes a
backseat or he's there for training, and

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for him to be able to do
what he did was pretty impressive, I

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would say, so. Yeah,
he shined there at the beginning, and

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I liked the idea of like he
ended up using tons of his energy.

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And there was a very emotional moment
with Goku with everyone where even though he's

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been pretty distant from the series over
the past little while, like Goku recognizes

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the past he had with him.
We get those flashbacks and he's just gutted

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when he sees Roshi appearing to be
dead there at the end of the first

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episode. So, you know,
you're really funny. It's so funny how

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they do that despite the fact that
they know there are dragon balls. They

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always made such a big deal out
of it. Like I get it's emotional,

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but it's like it's happened so many
times. You're seeing characters die.

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Yeah, And that's the big thing
about this show is that, like death

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and grief are so complicated because you
could just easily wish people back. But

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I guess maybe in this moment,
they didn't know if they would win the

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tournament yet the dragon balls back,
and I mean it would be a completely

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different show if like they got desensitized
to death and then all of a sudden

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they're like, it doesn't even phaze
me anymore. You just got to wish

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them back, you know. So
it makes sense that they took that approach.

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I mean, yeah, even eighteen
jumping ahead a bit, eighteen was

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traumatized almost when seventeen was thought to
be dead, right, so there is

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this like, despite the fact that
eventually you could probably bring them back with

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the dragon Balls, there's this like
fear that oh shit, like they're dead.

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It's hard to witness. Yeah,
so and it kind of like,

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yeah, it's it's interesting and only
like Dragon Ball aspect because a lot of

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shows don't do this. But yeah, it's it's interesting because they do selfish

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like sacrifices. But it's like,
on the one hand, you know they're

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going to bring them back if they
actually did die, so it's yeah,

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yeah, so, but I mean
it was a pretty like cool emotional moment

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in that sense, Um, what
else do we have? I Mean,

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obviously there's that moment where I think
he's trying to use the evil Containment Wave

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on Frost and he freaking gets vegeta
instead. Are they just gonna get Vegeta

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out like early, like just do
something way off the table, and you

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know what's great. What's great is
that by doing that, they pretty much

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made us happy with whatever vegetaccomplishes,
which ends up being actually pretty amazing.

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Like Vegeta did not get poor treatment
than this, Like obviously you could say,

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uh, Goku got the best treatment. You can aspect that he's the

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protagonist, but definitely you could say
that Vegeta definitely was amazing. He had

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his own time to shine. And
yeah, I absolutely think that this arc

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delivered well for Vegeta, which is
cool to end off on because you don't

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want like just everyone else put in
the back burner for the end of the

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series. And yeah, Vegeta was
amazing. We'll get to that more detailed

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though, Sam, thank you so
much for five Gifted subs, and Ray

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continue on with what you wanted to
talk about. Yeah, so it was

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kind of cool how near the end
of Rosy being in the tournament, they

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just kind of let him jump off. They're like, he's done enough,

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and everyone like across the board,
the whole team just usually when someone loses

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in the tournament or leaves, like
there's criticism they all just had that respect

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for him, the fact that here's
this old guy who put it on the

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line. And really when he had
that moment where he lost his energy,

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he even came back and he almost
ended up being able to contain Frost,

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which would have been huge, like
if Roshi could do that, So props

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to Rosch. I mean, even
TN he didn't really shine per se,

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but he was able to use that
multiform technique which was a cool throwback and

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knock that one person off with him, who was pretty lethal at the throwbacks.

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I really appreciate. Like it was
weird how in Dragon Ball Z Piccolo

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almost completely lost his ability to extend
his arms, do you know what I

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mean? Because when I was playing
the video games, and like I got

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to Boudekai three and I saw Piccolo
extending his arms, I was like,

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what the fuck is this? Like
I don't remember him using this ability and

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and he just seems to like forget
how to use it and Dragon Ball Z

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and he stops using it. So
having him like use it in this tournament

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arc to like save people after they
fall off, like it's nice and it's

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like he always had that ability,
so why not have him used it more

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often, and it's one of the
things that makes him unique, right,

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because not everyone can just extend their
arms like that. Yeah. And speaking

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of Piccolo, was there not a
time within this arc, I don't know

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if it was. Yeah, I
don't know if you'd remember, But did

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Gohan actually try to protect Piccolo at
one point, like do the whole sacrificial

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act like Piccolo usually does with him? Yeah, but that that does ring

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a bell, yeah, which is
like, oh, a bit of a

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reverse. Yeah. No, that
was that was good. They always have

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good chemistry, right, And because
of their chemistry as like this uh student

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teacher son father almost kind of thing. Like already, the Piccolo and Pan

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moments are always like adorable because it
comes through like Gohan and his relationship comes

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through with the with the kind of
like grandfather grandchild relationship a bit as well.

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And as the comments always say,
like Piccolo sometimes a better father to

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go on than to Goku. So
oh yeah, so we got that going

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on. Yeah, So I mean
that was pretty cool. Obviously, Pickle,

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it doesn't shine for too too long. I'm pretty sure it gets knocked

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out of the ring from being like
too um, like he's not fully aware

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of his surroundings, and then he
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what happened with Krillan, so um, yeah he uh him and Tienne where

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you know fairly um, they didn't
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But then obviously after that we get
um and I'm trying to think eighteen as

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well, eighteen ends up. I
think seventeen. Krillan saves eighteen, right,

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and she says seventeen. I think
yeah, and then she goes on

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to save seventeen. So it's like
it makes sense because you're saving the person

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that's going to be more useful,
and obviously eighteen is more powerful than krillin

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um, and then and then seventeen
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is so strong? I don't know. I'm not going to question it,

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but I don't mind. Yeah,
I guess that's the weird thing. We

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don't know much about what he's doing
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yeah, and it's like a backstory, but yeah, yeah, And

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it's interesting because you have this I
don't know, I always had this assumption

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that the androids are kind of created
to be their perfect selves, so they

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can't really get stronger but clearly that's
not the case. Clearly they can kind

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of get stronger, but they also
have the added benefit of not running out

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of power, not running out of
energy, which is kind of an insane

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benefit to have on top of being
able to improve like a normal human being.

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So like fuck, yeah, like
he got to use that in this

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tournament, and it's so useful because
he could just like run down the clock

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by attacking people with energy blasts.
No, he was great. He had

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that one pretty lined too, when
I know this is ahead of it,

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but when he ends up trying to
protect Vegeta and Goku and he says,

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so this is what it means to
be a human, to be able to

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like sacrifice yourself for a greater good
or scrifice yourself, it was a bit

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like I don't know if the right
words corny or sappy, but yeah I

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did like how Dragon Ball is not
the most as you kind of said earlier,

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like it seemed not the most philosophical
show. Yea, so it kind

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of you know, I'm sure in
the sub it was it was less weird,

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but in the dub it was kind
of weird to me. I guess,

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like, yeah, you know exactly, you have a family. Now

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you're obviously pretty human, Like you
want to go on a vacation, you

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want to protect animals, you know
you you are already human. But yeah,

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it's a nice little characterization we got
for seventeen. Yeah, so one

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group that just pissed me off so
much. I was just I'm like,

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let's get rid of these already those
love girls I could out of the ring,

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like it took them so long.
I love the comedy elements in this

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too, and there was so man, it was such an ambitious project to

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like have all these universes, all
of these references to other things like Power

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Rangers, like Sailor Moon like you
know, Mecca, Robot combinations, like

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they just put so much together like
superheroes and almost a Justice League kind of

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feel with Jeron and the rest of
those guys. Yeah, it was just

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so much coming together. And yeah, times like some people got maybe more

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time to shine than you would have
liked. But just think about how ambitious

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this tournament was as an undertaking,
Like it was, it was amazing and

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to be able to be so ambitious
and pull it off and have it be

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satisfying overall, I think they did
a great job here. Yeah, for

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sure. It was definitely one of
the busiest plots we've seen in terms of

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different fighters. I can't imagine.
Maybe they had voice actors who did more

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than one character, but all the
different characters we sell over these episodes,

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I can't imagine how many people they
would have had to bring into Yeah,

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they sometimes do we dus like the
same one. That's a good point.

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But yeah, obviously they wouldn't have
done that for everyone. Yeah, so

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um, yeah, it was just
those those girls were just I don't know

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even if Vegeta got he was getting
annoyed from them. But um, yeah,

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the best was seventeen though, when
he just like, you know,

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doesn't even let him transform, just
like bam bam bam. Oh shit,

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oh I gotta let you transform A
fine, I guess, don't go ahead.

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The thing that pissed me off too, she made fun of Krillan.

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Oh my god, look at you
man, Like it was yeah, that,

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I mean it was it was important
for like the Krillan eighteen moments.

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But yeah, she was just like
ripping on Krillan when fighting eighteen. It's

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like, you love that gross dude, so your love can't be stronger than

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me. I e. Your power
can't be stronger than me, And I

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was like, Bro, what what, You're just shitting on a relationship that's

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like one of our favorite relationships in
Dragon Ball. So you bet like when

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eighteen got the better of her,
like we were, we were psyched.

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Yeah, yeah, so no one
puts down my man Kryllan bro exactly.

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The dude put up with a lot, but he ended up getting the best

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wife who in the game. He
still doesn't even have a nose. Respect

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for that, and he did all
without a nose, So yeah, you

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gotta respect thou. Yeah, and
one thing, Okay, so I'll get

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into one of the surprises. How
many times it appeared that Freezer was going

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to end up sabotaging the Seventh Universe
and it turns out he was actually like

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outsmarting the other people and trying to
Actually I really like that he was.

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He was definitely like a highlight of
this arc. And yeah, you're right,

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So, like you don't know what
he's up to, Like we don't

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know for sure, like is he
is he honest if they actually go with

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his plan, or is he going
to like spack stabbing for our universe?

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You don't know, And that makes
them so interesting. And again jumping ahead

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a bit in the end where everyone's
like being thanked for participating in a tournament

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and stuff like that freeze that just
tells Goku, it's like, stop Goku,

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I'd rather go to hell than listen
to like all of this stuff.

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Like I like how he hasn't although
they worked together, which was amazing,

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Like you know, when Goku and
him were working side by side like that,

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that was fucking you know, goosebump
and doucing like awesomest. But then

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like he still doesn't become like,
you know, I'm your friend. He's

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still like, bro, I'm still
gonna take order to the universe. I'm

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still evil as fuck. I was
just doing this as a means to an

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end. And yeah, it was
very very cool. And I like the

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fact that he'll never become like of
a Jeta. He'll be his own thing

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where he remains like that evil part. Yeah, So I mean that was

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quite interesting because at first, so
the first time he ended up kind of

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planting the seeds that possibly he was
going to turn on them. I think

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it was with Frost when they were
talking. He was talking to Frost before

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he actually knocks him off. Yeah, because you never know what could happen.

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Yeah. So what's interesting about this
whole tournament is that I don't know

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how you felt, but from the
beginning, I really I knew it was

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going to be you know, Goku, maybe as a Z fighter or two,

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like a Seventh Universe fighter, and
then there's going to be one other

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person from the other universe. It
didn't I didn't get a clear indication from

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the beginning who that was going to
be. Obviously, you get more of

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an idea as we go through the
episodes, but I was thinking to myself,

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well, Hit is part of Frost's
universe. Maybe free it turns on

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them, and then Frost's universe is
that universe that the Seventh One is fighting

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at the end, Like, maybe
we're gonna get a Hit and a Goku

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fight situation. Because Hit has never
really lost in a sense to Goku.

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Yet no, I thought he was
going to be the last possible he would

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have. They wanted to make it
interesting because like they threw in Geren as

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like a new opponent that rather than
rehashing an old one and Gerin beat him,

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right, Jeron beat him? Yeah, he eventually does. Yeah,

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Yeah, so then the assumption is
now Goku Ultra Instinct could definitely beat beat

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Hit. But it was very interesting
and seeing Hit like you know, go

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at Gerin was also like a fascinating
battle. Yeah, but I have to

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think was Hit knocked out of the
stadium before Ultra Instinct? Yeah? So

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the thing is Hit, yeah,
would have been a good opponent with Goku

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everywhere up to all trains thing and
I'm pretty sure he was knocked out before

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all trends things. Yeah. But
yeah, obviously, if if Jaren didn't

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bring that out of Goku, then
Hit definitely would have had a good chance

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of beating Goku. Yeah. So
yeah, I mean it was interesting just

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how you get those moments where you
don't freeze and no one could trust him

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at this point, but he was
able to stay true to that cause,

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And to me, I was like, bro, why why even say anything?

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It was good for intrigue, it
was good to build, like you

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know, an episode finishes off that
way and you're like, oh shit,

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like what's Freeza gonna do? And
it's more satisfying when he actually supports our

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guys and backs them up, even
though he acts like a dick the whole

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time, which you know is great
to see, but it's like Frost can't

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really do much, you know what
I mean. I mean maybe he's just

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like playing the odds, and you
know, it's useful to have someone like

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you know, he doesn't really have
to try to beat him because he could

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just trick him and then take him
off guard. But at the same time,

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I feel like he could have easily
easily beat him without any like trickery

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afoot. Yeah, yeah, for
sure, But I don't know, it's

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just his I don't even know evil
nature. I mean, he's having fun.

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He's like a kind of joker character
where he likes like mess around with

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people, and you know, he
keeps like throughout this arc, like he

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keeps suggesting or implying that he'll betray
our guys, and then when it doesn't,

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it's just great because it's all time
you're like he could though he could,

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and then he ends up being the
one who saves Goku from falling off.

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Like it's amazing. Yeah, he
is a trickster because at times he

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just especially near the end there,
he just vanishes for like an episode,

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like you don't see him, yeah, and all of a sudden he comes

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out. You're thinking, what's he
doing? Is he just waits for everyone

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to get knocked off? And then
he gets the wishes at the end.

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That's another interesting aspect of it.
Daddy Larp, thank you so much for

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the subscription. That's another interesting aspect
of it because it's like, yeah,

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when you know, when is it
gonna happen, Like when is he gonna

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when is it gonna go? Go
continue what you were saying. Oh,

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I was just gonna say, Um, it was just weird how he just

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hid for a while there and he
just was not seen for sometimes like an

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episode here, an episode there,
especially when a lot of the characters fell

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off, and you're just thinking,
like is this his plan all along?

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Yeah? They were wise. They
were wise by like sometimes showing characters disappearing

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from the Godpad, but then sometimes
just like moving on, and so often

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when they moved on on, important
characters like Freezer and Android seventeen, all

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of a sudden, like you know, you start to think you're like are

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they really gone or or can they
come up? And then they do come

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up in like really opportune occasions.
So it's it's very satisfying to watch.

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Yeah, So that was interesting it
was speaking of we were talking about different

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throwbacks. I mean this was when
Go who first um kind of tapped into

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that ultra instinct, but he ends
up summoning the spirit bomb, which you

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know has a great, um great
history there in Dragon Ball Z and everyone

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offering It's funny because at first everyone
offered up their energy, including Freeza,

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but Vegeta was hesitant, and I'm
thinking, whoa. Freeza offered it up,

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but Vegeta didn't like it. Goes
to show that, like Vegeta's pride

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just will not yea, Freeza has
that like, you know, interesting nature

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where like, I don't know,
he's not that. I mean you could

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say he's proud, but he shows
in a very different way than Vegeta,

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like he doesn't have um that Vegeta
like need to appear manly kind of yeah,

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right. Would you say, because
I know you say you love dropping

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this line in every episode, would
you say Freeza is even more machiavellian than

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Vegeta because here's an opportunity one hundred
Vegeta to be able to let Go could

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take care of things, and he's
like, yeah, I'm not going to

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do that. It would benefit Vegeta
in the long run. But he's like,

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I'm not gonna get my my egos
getting in the way of this.

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I was Freeze is like, you
know what, this will benefit me and

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in the long run if I go
along, is one hundred percent more Machiavellian

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than Vegeta. And that comes up
when Vegeta is so upset with Top and

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I think zeke and joined us and
also mentioned like he's excited about Top,

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and yeah, he's an interesting antagonist
in this part of it. And with

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Top, he abandoned his ideals,
like his principles, which were justice,

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in order to move to a place
of a god of destruction where everything is

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either is or is not right.
And that's interesting on a philosophical level.

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But what's even more interesting is Vegeta's
reaction to that and how he's so pissed

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that, you know, he abandoned
his ideals and principles and how could someone

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who abandons his principles and pride ever
beat him. There's no way, like

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in his opinions, So yeah,
when it comes to certain situations, he

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would rather lose than betray his principles
and pride. Yeah, And it's interesting

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because we always get this this kind
of view in our society, and like,

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you know, there's reasons for it, but that pride is not a

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good thing, like it's considered one
of the you know, seven deadly sins.

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And there are times when pride is
viewed as a positive thing, whether

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you see it with Vegeta, right, he gets strength from his pride.

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He even like unlocked that new form
beyond super saim Blue in part because of

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his pride. So yeah, it's
interesting how Vegeta and I feel like the

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series in general doesn't portray it as
a bad thing, even though for us,

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like usually pride is considered a bad
thing. Yeah, no, it

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gives more of a nuance to that
particular ideal, I know, kind of

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ties into I'm reading a book right
now about different ideals from the West and

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how an ideal, like an ideal
like courage they reference like the Odyssey and

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Achilles and this just you know,
destructive machine. And sometimes you know what

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you need like this destructive, courageous
person when you go to war, and

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sometimes you need pride, like in
the case of Ajeeta to tap into something

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or else you wouldn't get there.
So yeah, it does like complicate that

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idea of like pride is always a
bad thing. No, it can be

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beneficial and with the right character,
with the right situation, it does prove

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to be useful. Yeah, And
there are different ways to get to the

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quote unquote strongest in the world.
Right, Goku's path is letting go,

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and Genia's path seems to be to
double down on his pride. Yeah,

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yeah for sure. So yeah,
I mean that whole I guess maybe if

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you want to go to the ultra
instinct at the first time, Like that

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was a pretty unusual like state because
we didn't get that huge power up that

406
00:30:19,079 --> 00:30:23,519
we get when he turned like super
Sian for the first time. He just

407
00:30:23,599 --> 00:30:27,559
this would end up happening. I
think the Spirit Bomb kind of repondited opinion

408
00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:33,119
about like all of the different hair
colors. We have, honest opinion of

409
00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:37,680
the different ones we've seen, including
ultra instinct. Yeah, like, yeah,

410
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:41,680
what are your thoughts on that?
As someone who was a Dragon Ball

411
00:30:41,759 --> 00:30:47,559
virgin, how do you experience all
these different hair colored transformations? So I

412
00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:52,519
like the Super Sian I think the
best the idea that your hair turns like

413
00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:59,079
blonde, you get this extra burst
of power. The rose obviously it was

414
00:30:59,319 --> 00:31:04,440
pretty like short lived there, but
the super Saian blue, Um, I

415
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:08,200
don't know, it's just I guess
another way, how how far can you

416
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:11,599
differentiate the blonde hair right to get
to that next phase, you gotta do

417
00:31:11,599 --> 00:31:15,000
the blue. It's just funny because
sometimes you're like, oh, Goku just

418
00:31:15,039 --> 00:31:18,759
turned blue or something, and they
just let's just like, let's just count

419
00:31:18,799 --> 00:31:22,160
it for a second. So I'm
probably gonna miss some forms, guys,

420
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:26,319
so don't be too anal about it. But yeah, so just quickly,

421
00:31:26,759 --> 00:31:32,640
so there's super Saying, which is
blonde. Then there is like, you

422
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:34,960
know, all the variations of super
Saying, but they're the same color pretty

423
00:31:36,039 --> 00:31:40,039
much. And then there is super
Saying God, which is red hair right,

424
00:31:40,519 --> 00:31:44,799
and then there's super Saan blue,
and then there's obviously super Saying rose.

425
00:31:45,559 --> 00:31:49,599
And then there's Kales like green haired, kind of legendary super Siyan kind

426
00:31:49,599 --> 00:31:55,400
of look. And now there was
Vegeta'm moving beyond super Saian blue, which

427
00:31:55,480 --> 00:32:00,359
is like a kind of darker blue
aer like a purer blue, which you

428
00:32:00,359 --> 00:32:02,880
could tell the difference between the shade
of Goku's hair and the shade of Vegita's

429
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:07,359
hair. And then there was Ultra
Instinct, which is white hair. The

430
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:15,480
cool thing about Ultra Instinct is that
they kind of kept his usual hair rather

431
00:32:15,519 --> 00:32:22,119
than having it all rise up,
which did distinguish it from like Super Sayans,

432
00:32:22,119 --> 00:32:24,400
which are like kind of just the
hair goes spiky. But at the

433
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:28,920
same time, it's like, yo, how many hair colors? Like if

434
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:31,799
the series goes on, it's like, we are we gonna actually get more

435
00:32:31,839 --> 00:32:37,160
hair colors because I feel like we
covered Durrainbow at this point. And yeah,

436
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:40,839
and at the end when Goku turns, when he's able to master super

437
00:32:40,839 --> 00:32:46,279
Saying instinct there or at least before
his energy runs out, he has the

438
00:32:46,319 --> 00:32:52,640
super Saiyan like the final blue hair. Did you notice that it actually turns

439
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:57,480
all blue? Yeah? Okay,
yeah, So it's just like there's another

440
00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:01,000
variation of the ultra instinct. You
have the one where at first it's his

441
00:33:01,079 --> 00:33:06,839
regular hair and then's like that yeah, yeah, but now he was able

442
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:09,680
to once he mastered it at the
end there with Duran, he was able

443
00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:15,200
to actually turn blue while having the
Ultra instinct within it. All that's left

444
00:33:15,279 --> 00:33:19,160
is rmbigate go koken there and then
he would have had like three transformations in

445
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:22,000
one. Yeah, like not transformation, but three. Yeah, yeah,

446
00:33:22,039 --> 00:33:27,039
like crazy like power up stat boosts. Yeah yeah, so no, it's

447
00:33:27,039 --> 00:33:32,240
it's very interesting and honestly, like
I love the transformations and stuff like that's

448
00:33:32,279 --> 00:33:38,559
not something that I necessarily want to
not happen in Dragon Ball, but yeah,

449
00:33:38,599 --> 00:33:42,680
they gotta get creative with it now. I think they did a good

450
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:46,519
job with Ultra Instinct where you know, the design was different where it didn't

451
00:33:46,559 --> 00:33:51,400
look like the super Saian hair,
you know, the white, the story

452
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:55,759
around it, right, like the
letting go being off pure instinct. You

453
00:33:55,759 --> 00:34:00,839
know, there's very interesting stuff in
it. But it's going to get harder

454
00:34:00,839 --> 00:34:04,880
and harder for them to create good
transformations because you know, they've covered so

455
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:09,280
much. So it'll be interesting to
see what the next level is moving forward.

456
00:34:09,519 --> 00:34:15,880
Yea, and sometimes we get the
fusion. Remember we had Vegeto but

457
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:20,159
then he turned blue. So I
wonder if we'll ever get like a Vegeta

458
00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:23,639
learns because Regina doesn't end up getting
to Ultra Instinct. No, I wonder

459
00:34:23,639 --> 00:34:29,320
if we'll get him learning how to
do it then Goku being able to in

460
00:34:29,519 --> 00:34:32,559
some day They kind of implied,
Yeah, that would be sick actually,

461
00:34:32,639 --> 00:34:39,199
And like we saw with Trunks and
Go ten you don't need to actually be

462
00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:45,840
able to do the transformation to reach
it. So go tanks could do Super,

463
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:51,679
sayan three, even though they couldn't
yet. So the implication to me

464
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:54,880
would be that perhaps if they fused, even if Vegeta couldn't do it,

465
00:34:55,480 --> 00:35:01,639
Vegeto could do matter also Instinct.
But I mean, they kind of threw

466
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:09,159
a Gito out of the realm of
possibility by having his form consumes so much

467
00:35:09,159 --> 00:35:15,199
power at this point that it can't
maintain the fusion. Yeah. Right,

468
00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:17,599
that's kind of what they did with
the future Trunk saga where they're like they

469
00:35:17,599 --> 00:35:22,239
were Super saying blue Vegito, but
he didn't last long because I guess he's

470
00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:30,480
just too powerful. M I did
like the whole like Ultra instinct transformational.

471
00:35:30,519 --> 00:35:35,400
I thought it was interesting because it
kind of was different we've so far in

472
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:39,079
Dracon'm all Super, all the transformations
have been kind of like Deity godlike,

473
00:35:39,119 --> 00:35:44,440
which is kind of the common theme
within Super with the different gods of destructions

474
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:50,800
the different universe. But Instinct was
different in the sense of I don't know,

475
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:53,199
I just I don't know how to
describe it, but it was way

476
00:35:53,280 --> 00:36:00,360
less like Flair for the dramatics and
just you know, you were when Goku's

477
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:04,679
able to he's fighting someone, he's
you know, it's just a lot more

478
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:07,480
natural than that. They brought me
back to. It brought me back to,

479
00:36:07,559 --> 00:36:10,320
like I know, it's super different, but like in Dragon Ball and

480
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:15,199
Dragon Ball Z, like the original
saying transformation was the ape and it was

481
00:36:15,639 --> 00:36:17,840
again, it wasn't this deity thing. It was a very primitive transformation,

482
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:22,519
right, And with this transformation,
it kind of moves away from that whole

483
00:36:22,639 --> 00:36:30,199
deity the mean I mean yes and
no, because they portray it as like

484
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:36,880
a divine thing that even God's destruction
have hard time reaching. But at the

485
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:42,960
same time, I do like how
it's almost like emphasized with stillness and calm

486
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:47,519
yea, rather than with like screaming
and like insane power aura and like,

487
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:51,960
yeah, I like that. So
there's a meme that you know, Dragon

488
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:57,559
Ball Z is just about people screaming
until they get stronger, but here we

489
00:36:57,679 --> 00:37:01,440
kind of you know, ultra instant
kind of messes with that and actually gives

490
00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:07,000
us a different kind of transformation,
which I think is really cool. Yeah,

491
00:37:07,079 --> 00:37:10,400
yeah, for sure, but yeah, it was it was an interesting

492
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:15,559
transformation. Interesting how similar to.
I guess, like Koken, you could

493
00:37:15,599 --> 00:37:20,360
only use it for a certain amount
of time at the beginning, and then

494
00:37:20,519 --> 00:37:23,000
you saw the toll it took on
Goku's body, But I didn't like that.

495
00:37:23,079 --> 00:37:27,480
Yeah, how did you like that
turn of events? How did how

496
00:37:27,519 --> 00:37:31,440
did I like the whole ultra instinct? Yeah, so the whole we could

497
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:36,360
talk about now the battle between Gerr
and obviously we could come back to stuff

498
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:39,400
if we want to talk about it, but with Jan and all transling Goku,

499
00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:42,760
Like, how did you feel about
the fight? And how did you

500
00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:49,559
feel about as soon as Goku won
pretty much he gets taken out by his

501
00:37:49,679 --> 00:37:52,559
body not being able to contain it
anymore and not being able to go on

502
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:57,960
and the after effects of it.
So, yeah, how did you How

503
00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:02,920
did you experience that? I thought
it was predictable in the sense of we

504
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:07,519
saw it the first time, so
when it ends up struggling the second time,

505
00:38:07,559 --> 00:38:09,920
it didn't throw me off guard.
And I think that's that's what so

506
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:14,360
much of dragon Ball is, especially
Dragon Ball Z and dragon Ball Super.

507
00:38:14,519 --> 00:38:17,679
You get to this new form a
lot of times, and it's tough to

508
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:22,320
sustain it, and there's a limitation
to it, and over time, you

509
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:27,599
know, you'll learn to be able
to to be able to you know,

510
00:38:27,639 --> 00:38:30,119
withstand that form, because we've seen
it with Member of way back in Dragon

511
00:38:30,119 --> 00:38:36,960
Ball Z, when Goku and Gohan
learned how to become super Sian without like

512
00:38:37,039 --> 00:38:39,840
having that full power up, they
were just living super Saians in their regular

513
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:44,440
day life. So it seems like
a lot of these forms, it's this

514
00:38:44,519 --> 00:38:46,440
idea of learning. It's not just
learning how to do it, but learning

515
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:52,320
how to sustain it and learning how
to have it there without it just ruining

516
00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:55,440
your body. So it didn't necessarily
surprise me. I guess at the end,

517
00:38:55,440 --> 00:39:00,679
I was thinking to myself, like, okay, Jerran's vulnerable here,

518
00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:04,960
and I mean so many times too, were you thinking like just end it,

519
00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:09,000
like Goku's just slowly putting his finger
up or hand up in order to

520
00:39:09,079 --> 00:39:15,599
end it everyone let's go and co
so um, but yeah, I mean

521
00:39:15,639 --> 00:39:20,119
it didn't shock me outright. I
think the thing that was really cool is

522
00:39:20,119 --> 00:39:23,079
when he was able to recover their
a bit at the end. And um,

523
00:39:23,119 --> 00:39:27,599
I don't know if he does this
within ultra instinct, but when him

524
00:39:27,599 --> 00:39:31,480
and a vegeta like they do that
duo punch against Jerry, I thought there

525
00:39:31,599 --> 00:39:37,159
was like, what a what an
image there where back the Dragon Ball Z

526
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:43,400
Yeah, and Goku and Freezer being
the ones to save the universe teaming up

527
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:45,960
like that, and it was like
the original Freezer form. It wasn't the

528
00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:47,599
Golden Freezer. You would to take
a photol of that and show it to

529
00:39:47,639 --> 00:39:51,599
me way back then in the namic
saga would have been like what the fuck?

530
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:53,920
So it was a cool sight to
see. Yeah, me too,

531
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:59,320
And like that goes double for the
Freezer moments where they're fighting, right,

532
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:04,960
like Goku and Freza, Like we
had the image of Freeza in base form

533
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:08,920
and super sayan Goku, which is
pretty much a nod to their original fight,

534
00:40:09,559 --> 00:40:14,079
and they were working together against an
enemy. And I was gonna say,

535
00:40:14,119 --> 00:40:16,199
yeah, that's what you thought of
it, because I thought it was

536
00:40:16,199 --> 00:40:22,280
a really good move. I'm so
glad that they didn't just have Goku annihil

537
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:27,079
a Geron and that was that.
I'm so glad that they like let him

538
00:40:27,079 --> 00:40:30,920
get to a level higher than Geron. But then just as soon as it

539
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:35,599
was going to be over, he
had to face the ramifications of attaining that

540
00:40:35,639 --> 00:40:42,079
form, and then they had to
actually turn to team work to finish off

541
00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:45,960
a damaged Garin. I absolutely loved
that they did that, and I preferred

542
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:51,559
it much more too. If Goku
just single handedly overpowered Garin and that was

543
00:40:51,639 --> 00:40:53,840
the end. Yeah, and we
also get that, didn't we get that

544
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:59,800
with Vegeto last time with the Future
Trunk saga, Like he could have over

545
00:41:00,039 --> 00:41:04,639
Howard there, but then again the
fusion runs out, and then yeah,

546
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:08,719
potentially, yeah, exactly potentially here
you could have used like fusion as well.

547
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:13,320
It's just yeah, again they had
the earring limit. Oh yeah,

548
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:15,360
I'm not saying they should have.
I'm just saying, like we've seen this

549
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:22,199
idea before of here's this overpower powering
character, but like it runs short,

550
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:25,440
like with the fusion, he's not
able to sustain the fusion, and then

551
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:30,920
they're kind of screwed with this.
Goku isn't able to sustain then seems like

552
00:41:31,199 --> 00:41:36,000
it seems like he didn't really master
it. So he mastered it, perhaps

553
00:41:36,039 --> 00:41:40,559
to a greater level that second time, but Lee was surprised that his body

554
00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:45,599
was so affected by it. So
clearly Goku hasn't learned how to use it

555
00:41:45,639 --> 00:41:52,599
that well. And later when he's
talked to Ageta, he tells him that

556
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:55,079
no, he hasn't like gone to
the point where he can use it at

557
00:41:55,119 --> 00:42:00,159
any point, And so now pretty
much you have Ageta at this equal level

558
00:42:00,199 --> 00:42:06,239
to Goku, where Vegeta is beyond
Super Sian Blue is probably equal to,

559
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:12,159
if not stronger than, Goku Super
sim Blue with Kayo Ken, but Goku

560
00:42:12,199 --> 00:42:16,639
has shown that in particular circumstances he
can actually have an even higher level of

561
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:24,760
ultra instinct. I love too when
Vegeta on the side line is cheering like

562
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:30,440
for Goku, like Cokra, let's
go, like you never you never really

563
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:34,920
see that that idea of like getting
behind Goku. It's always this competition with

564
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:37,000
him, even when he turns good. So I love that if he finally

565
00:42:37,679 --> 00:42:40,039
you know, at that time,
you know the end, put that pride

566
00:42:40,079 --> 00:42:45,320
aside and just like got behind him. And there's I think there's one moment

567
00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:51,559
where he like very much motivates him, like he says some sort of line

568
00:42:51,599 --> 00:42:55,719
that Goku is left defenseless at one
point with Geren, and he like gets

569
00:42:55,800 --> 00:43:01,760
up and then he's able to fight
back, Like he's able to motivate Goku

570
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:07,039
in order to be a better fighter
or just be resilient and that's really cool

571
00:43:07,039 --> 00:43:12,920
to see. That's kind of the
idea that dragon Ball Super and dragon Ball

572
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:16,519
in general is always kind of revolving
around. Even at the end. I

573
00:43:16,559 --> 00:43:20,880
thought it was great. How Yeah, they're kind of finishing off the series

574
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:25,000
at least for a time, and
yet they kind of say they'll continue to

575
00:43:25,039 --> 00:43:29,880
get stronger. And he's like,
Goku says to Vegas something along the lines

576
00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:32,280
of, we'll just keep pushing each
other to get even stronger. We'll keep

577
00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:36,599
going forever, which is like,
of course, you idiot, and it's

578
00:43:36,639 --> 00:43:39,519
like it doesn't need to be said. But I like the idea that you

579
00:43:39,559 --> 00:43:45,559
know, always they're pushing to find
that new level. And the main reason

580
00:43:45,679 --> 00:43:51,000
Goku is excited to find all of
these stronger and stronger opponents is because it

581
00:43:51,039 --> 00:43:54,199
pushes him to reach a stronger and
stronger level. And so while some people

582
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:59,280
might be like bro, prioritize saving
the world, Goku was like, Bro,

583
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:01,880
I really wish like a super strong
guy would come here so I don't

584
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:05,960
have to be bored and I can
reach a higher level. It's it's such

585
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:07,920
a cool thing, and I love
how there's like no end. It's very

586
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:13,719
much like life. It's like you
know, the path to mastery is never

587
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:17,360
finished unless you put a stop to
it. Yeah, I mean I was

588
00:44:17,639 --> 00:44:24,320
listening to a professional runner who was
like quoting philosophy, and he basically ended

589
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:29,639
up kind of playing around with that
quote like know thyself. It was kind

590
00:44:29,639 --> 00:44:32,920
of like push thyself, know thyself. So like for Goku and Vegeta,

591
00:44:34,079 --> 00:44:37,519
like when they push themselves to new
heights, that's how they get to know

592
00:44:37,639 --> 00:44:39,920
themselves better, and that's how they
get to carve that meaning in their lives.

593
00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:45,199
Yeah, you know, it's really
this never ending quest for knowing yourself,

594
00:44:45,199 --> 00:44:49,280
like what is your limit? And
that's very powerful and a very meaningful

595
00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:52,519
goal in their life, a meaningful
why for living. That's why it's like

596
00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:55,960
you just think, why do you
have to? Like so many times you

597
00:44:55,960 --> 00:45:00,320
see, especially in super where he
could just go about collecting that money got

598
00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:05,840
from Hercule and become a farmer,
but he doesn't want to do that.

599
00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:08,519
He wants to put himself in these
uncomfortable situations and see how far he could

600
00:45:08,519 --> 00:45:13,159
go. So you gotta respect them
for that, No exactly, And you

601
00:45:13,199 --> 00:45:17,199
know what, like that's a very
like idea and stoicism too, with like

602
00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:22,639
the whole Hercules and it's like what
would have Hercules been without his challenges?

603
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:24,559
Like he might have just like laid
around in bed all day, and it's

604
00:45:24,599 --> 00:45:27,920
like, yeah, you know,
you're already alive. You want to see

605
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:31,800
what you can accomplish sometimes rather than
just kind of take the easy way out,

606
00:45:32,159 --> 00:45:37,039
which Goku is definitely one of those
people who will always push themselves as

607
00:45:37,119 --> 00:45:40,960
long as he's still alive. Right, So I really love that too.

608
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:44,960
We kind of like didn't really talk
about it much, but what did you

609
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:50,840
think of ultra instinct versus kefla just
like the whole saying theme throughout the tournament?

610
00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:53,519
Well, was it ever? I
don't know if it was ever ultra

611
00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:57,599
instinct versus them? I know they
when I think it was. I think

612
00:45:57,599 --> 00:46:01,239
it was, but like incomplete Okay, you guys correct me if I'm wrong

613
00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:06,079
in the chat, but I seem
to recall like, you know, them

614
00:46:06,079 --> 00:46:14,400
going all out against him together and
like kavla um you got yeah, I

615
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:19,119
think even like they separated at some
point and then went separately. But yeah,

616
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:22,519
no, they ended up losing while
they were fused, I believe.

617
00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:25,760
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that
whole fusion was quite interesting. And then

618
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:30,960
we get being able to see like
even Kale developed so quickly as well.

619
00:46:31,199 --> 00:46:36,239
Yes, so it was it was
incomplete, Yeah, yeah, yeah,

620
00:46:36,239 --> 00:46:39,280
incomplete. Yeah, I mean that
was Yeah. He was able to do

621
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:45,199
that because it makes sense because we
saw how crazy the multiplier for Vegeto was.

622
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:51,079
So if Goku easily beat Kafla,
who has like some kind of legendary

623
00:46:51,119 --> 00:46:54,800
super satiand vibes to her, then
that would have been like, ah,

624
00:46:55,000 --> 00:47:00,079
does that really match up with the
vegeto vegeto thing, But with ultra instinct

625
00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:05,760
being the thing to like beat her, it made more sense. Yeah,

626
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:09,719
so I mean that was interesting.
It was interesting as well. How again,

627
00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:14,920
here's Goku who he is teaching.
This is before they fuse. He's

628
00:47:14,920 --> 00:47:20,039
teaching them how to like move on
to the next layer of super saying,

629
00:47:20,079 --> 00:47:22,840
and you think yourself, man,
why are you doing this? You're just

630
00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:25,320
putting yourself at more risk to lose
this tournament. But he just doesn't care.

631
00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:30,000
He wants that challenge, and so
it's interesting to see him in a

632
00:47:30,079 --> 00:47:34,119
way. I don't think he wants
it to Goku wants it to be like

633
00:47:34,119 --> 00:47:37,880
that because he's not really a show
offie person, but he does look pretty

634
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:40,400
arrogant at times when he's like,
and this is super Sayan too, notice

635
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:44,599
how I'm a bit stronger here,
and you're like, man, like you

636
00:47:44,679 --> 00:47:47,079
see a bit of that cockiness there. But I don't think he meant yeah,

637
00:47:47,119 --> 00:47:50,719
I don't think that's sun. But
that's so funny. He's like,

638
00:47:51,039 --> 00:47:53,039
and then you want to eventually get
to this point, super Saiyan three,

639
00:47:53,079 --> 00:47:57,360
but the problem at this point is
like you can't really sustain it. It

640
00:47:57,400 --> 00:48:00,480
trains a lot of energy. But
yeah, you just folks are super saying

641
00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:02,719
two now and then we'll see maybe
one day you can get to where I

642
00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:06,760
am. So yeah, no,
I love it. And ed who says

643
00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:09,079
in the shot also, the Commandma
he used against Kevla was so sick.

644
00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:15,119
Yeah, like it was amazing because
he couldn't really he didn't master the attacking

645
00:48:15,159 --> 00:48:20,199
portion yet vulture instinct, so he
just launched an amazing commandma. And yeah,

646
00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:23,719
this tournament was filled with those highlight
moments, and one of those was

647
00:48:24,079 --> 00:48:30,000
that Commandma. Another one was when
seventeen had his time to shine with the

648
00:48:30,119 --> 00:48:37,320
music in the background and defeated that
giant Mecca kind of fusion. And then

649
00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:40,000
there were you know all those other
times we mentioned, like Goquin Freezer fighting

650
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:44,519
side by side. But Geta and
Top we didn't even mention that, bro,

651
00:48:44,719 --> 00:48:52,639
But Getah took out a god of
destruction Bro. I know, Bro,

652
00:48:53,440 --> 00:49:00,760
Holy fucking shit. Talk about like
again, obviously, we couldn't really

653
00:49:00,440 --> 00:49:07,519
expect Vegita necessarily to take out the
final antagonist in the final moments of the

654
00:49:07,159 --> 00:49:13,119
you know, final season so far, but oh my god, was his

655
00:49:13,639 --> 00:49:17,599
battle against Top like amazing? It
was. And there was that one moment

656
00:49:17,639 --> 00:49:22,119
within the battle if you remember,
when Vegita looks like he's going to do

657
00:49:22,199 --> 00:49:28,719
that self destruct move again flashback,
yes, and he thinks, like,

658
00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:32,360
I think that's the thing that takes
him out. I'm pretty sure that move,

659
00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:36,199
Yeah, I think so. I
think so, And somehow instead of

660
00:49:36,239 --> 00:49:40,920
destroying himself, he survives it,
which is another flex. And then they

661
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:44,840
that could have been enough, That
could have been enough for Vegita to have

662
00:49:44,920 --> 00:49:49,039
like a great moment. But I
love the way they kept giving him great

663
00:49:49,079 --> 00:49:52,960
moments. So like he goes and
he's weak, but there's still his pride

664
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:57,079
at work and he's still attacking Geren
and helping out a bit until he finally

665
00:49:57,119 --> 00:50:02,119
gets taken out after Gerin shows him
respect and it's like you didn't have to

666
00:50:02,119 --> 00:50:07,800
give but Gita that much time and
those that many epic moments. But I'm

667
00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:12,320
so glad you fucking did. I'm
so glad. I love seeing Vegita shine

668
00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:15,559
like that. I loved seeing,
like, you know, his thoughts about

669
00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:20,639
yeah, you know, his protege
right, wanting to save him, but

670
00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:27,239
also wanting to save obviously Boma,
his daughter, his son. So yeah,

671
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:30,920
just amazing arc for Vegeta. Well
yeah, because and again it goes

672
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:35,760
back to his transformation. I think
I know what you're talking about. When

673
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:40,159
this is before he's a self destruct
move and he's reflecting on his motivation for

674
00:50:40,199 --> 00:50:45,679
fighting and that gets him to like
get super motivated and he lands like this

675
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:51,400
huge punch against top. But unlike
before, Like think about before when his

676
00:50:51,519 --> 00:50:54,400
main goal was he wants to be
like, you know, the Prince,

677
00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:58,199
Like he wants to be the most
powerful person in the universe. Now,

678
00:50:58,360 --> 00:51:01,239
like he's talking about why he fights, that motivation for fighting, and like

679
00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:06,079
you said, it's for those people
that he loved to protect them, and

680
00:51:06,119 --> 00:51:08,719
like he's more so than it is
with Goku, which is fucking crazy to

681
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:15,199
think about. Well yeah, yeah, and you could argue I mean he

682
00:51:15,239 --> 00:51:17,760
talked about Piccolo being a better father. You could argue Vegeta definitely is because

683
00:51:17,920 --> 00:51:24,440
remember you get that flashback of Trunks
holding like his sister, and then Digeta

684
00:51:24,480 --> 00:51:27,960
takes him and he's like, you're
not doing it right, and he actually

685
00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:31,440
starts doing it. Yeah, you
can't imagine Goku like caring how he holds

686
00:51:31,440 --> 00:51:35,320
a baby. No, really right, Like he'll be like, haha,

687
00:51:35,559 --> 00:51:37,679
baby, yeah, throw it up
in the air. Yeah yeah, and

688
00:51:37,719 --> 00:51:42,519
then Vegina's like, no, you
idiot, hold it like this. You

689
00:51:42,599 --> 00:51:45,119
gotta be very and then Trunks like, yeah, you're very good at that.

690
00:51:45,199 --> 00:51:47,239
He probably like read books and shit, and it's like spare time.

691
00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:52,239
Ah man, Vegeta. Oh,
I'd love to see Vegeta's bookshelf. Yeah,

692
00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:58,199
Vegeta is such a great character,
probably like one of the greatest transformations

693
00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:04,960
and ball Z from beginning to end. Obviously, you know, not every

694
00:52:05,039 --> 00:52:08,360
character needs to transform, because Goku
is already, like you know, he's

695
00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:15,239
already a good character who doesn't necessarily
have like huge character flaws, although that's

696
00:52:15,239 --> 00:52:19,159
debatable with his like carelessness and stuff
like that. But with what Jeta,

697
00:52:19,239 --> 00:52:24,239
there's such a beautiful character arc and
I just one of the reasons I kept

698
00:52:24,360 --> 00:52:30,679
saying before was I love Dragon Ball
Super Into continuations because we just get more

699
00:52:30,719 --> 00:52:35,760
of these characters that doesn't even have
to be necessarily about fighting and new forms.

700
00:52:35,840 --> 00:52:37,519
It's like, you know, we
get to see these characters interact,

701
00:52:37,639 --> 00:52:40,559
and I fucking love it. Like, you know, they're part of the

702
00:52:40,599 --> 00:52:45,119
family at this point. I wonder
too, I've I've always thought about this

703
00:52:45,119 --> 00:52:50,519
for a little while, speaking of
like the family and transformation. Well,

704
00:52:50,760 --> 00:52:54,559
d's ever make an appearance again?
Oh my god, he's pretty important.

705
00:52:54,559 --> 00:53:00,480
He is the brother of I mean, surprisingly that's not that important. Sorry

706
00:53:00,519 --> 00:53:04,000
to Anamak, who is my older
brother. But in this case, it's

707
00:53:04,079 --> 00:53:08,400
just not a big deal. Like
it seemed like he was again, like

708
00:53:08,440 --> 00:53:15,679
you'd think you're our main character's brother, Like that'll be like this huge significant

709
00:53:15,719 --> 00:53:22,239
thing. Like the dude hasn't been
present until the fricking he hasn't been present

710
00:53:22,239 --> 00:53:23,800
since the first season of Dragon Ball
Z, right, and no one cares.

711
00:53:23,800 --> 00:53:29,119
Hockey Wokie, thank you so much
for one thousand bits Magical Crystal says

712
00:53:29,199 --> 00:53:34,400
Vegeta is a much better daddy than
Goku with ag Yeah, definitely, I

713
00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:38,199
agree as well. Um, but
Yeah, for Goku, family is just

714
00:53:38,960 --> 00:53:44,440
I guess not as big of a
priority, and that definitely applies to Raditt's

715
00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:47,960
And you can't blame Gogu for that
because Radditt's is a terrible brother and uncle.

716
00:53:49,239 --> 00:53:52,239
Like yeah, but at the same
time, you think how many people

717
00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:57,960
has he forgiven over time, but
we can't forgive his brother. Yeah,

718
00:53:58,079 --> 00:54:05,599
the problem is Rabbits is just not
as cool and powerful as Vegeta, right,

719
00:54:05,639 --> 00:54:09,239
so you just wouldn't have meshed as
well with the with the team as

720
00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:14,920
Vegeta does. But yeah, yeah, it's a good car. It's a

721
00:54:14,920 --> 00:54:17,239
good thing to bring up, right
when we're like finishing the dry Ball Super

722
00:54:17,239 --> 00:54:22,679
series. That, Yeah, Rabots
was introduced so long ago, a brother

723
00:54:22,840 --> 00:54:28,360
of our main character and completely irrelevant
at this point, exactly like Ghost Nappa

724
00:54:28,559 --> 00:54:31,480
had a more powerful effect on me
than Radbots. Although I gotta admit I

725
00:54:31,519 --> 00:54:36,280
still loved the Radbots part, like
I love that part of series. It's

726
00:54:36,320 --> 00:54:40,119
just Rabbits doesn't resonate as much throughout
the whole series. Yeah, no,

727
00:54:40,199 --> 00:54:43,679
I thought he was like a badass
in that moment. Oh yeah, no,

728
00:54:43,760 --> 00:54:46,119
you loved him. I remember that
his hair and his like fucking arm

729
00:54:46,159 --> 00:54:52,400
I think like that's the first time
we get like the appearance of the saying

730
00:54:52,559 --> 00:54:57,199
armor too, the saying armor.
Yeah, I think so. I think

731
00:54:57,239 --> 00:54:59,920
that's fair. No one else would
have came before, except if we got

732
00:55:00,119 --> 00:55:04,320
like some some like bonus material.
But yeah, I think canonically that's probably

733
00:55:04,360 --> 00:55:07,639
the first time we see to say
an armor. No, I mean,

734
00:55:07,679 --> 00:55:10,920
like, what a fucking journey has
been? Bro Obviously, like I said,

735
00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:15,280
guys, we are going to cover
the movie and the manga by like

736
00:55:15,480 --> 00:55:20,800
what a what a journey has been
with the anime series? Is there anything

737
00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:24,000
else we want to discuss before we
wrap up with this the ending of Dragon

738
00:55:24,039 --> 00:55:30,519
Ball Superum, I mean I don't
think so. I think we we mentioned

739
00:55:30,519 --> 00:55:32,679
how with Freeze at the end we
send up bringing them back to life.

740
00:55:32,880 --> 00:55:36,440
Yeah. I really loved those.
Uh we didn't talk about it, but

741
00:55:36,480 --> 00:55:40,159
I really loved those after the credits
scenes and you know, like the moments

742
00:55:40,199 --> 00:55:44,599
in between, like after the tournament
ended, where we kind of got a

743
00:55:44,599 --> 00:55:51,039
glimpse of everyone brought back to life. I really liked seeing Shampa Schampa and

744
00:55:51,079 --> 00:55:57,199
Berres is a brother relationship that really
works, and they're relevant to each other.

745
00:55:57,440 --> 00:56:00,679
And I liked how Shampa is like, oh, so brought me back,

746
00:56:00,880 --> 00:56:02,960
don't expect to thank you, right. I love that. I love

747
00:56:04,079 --> 00:56:07,400
that fucking brotherly relationship. It's like
they care about each other, but they're

748
00:56:07,440 --> 00:56:10,159
you know, they have a sense
of pride when talking to each other and

749
00:56:10,679 --> 00:56:15,800
showing all those different universes being brought
back. Obviously the effect gerns. We

750
00:56:15,840 --> 00:56:21,920
didn't even talk about Geron's backstory and
how he kind of felt like couldn't rely

751
00:56:22,079 --> 00:56:24,360
on everyone and he had to be
the strongest and that's the only way to

752
00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:32,480
get strong by like relying completely on
yourself and then having that philosophy destroyed along

753
00:56:32,559 --> 00:56:40,440
with his kind of physical defeat by
Goku, who used everyone's power to kind

754
00:56:40,480 --> 00:56:45,239
of help him along the way.
And that was a great moment for again

755
00:56:45,400 --> 00:56:52,000
finishing off a series where they said
Goku would never say that he's here by

756
00:56:52,079 --> 00:56:53,760
himself, you know, it took
so many people to get him here.

757
00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:59,559
And we saw those flashbacks as the
Gern fight was happening, and talk about

758
00:56:59,639 --> 00:57:02,199
great ways to send off a series. Although I'm hoping it's going to come

759
00:57:02,199 --> 00:57:07,679
back in anime series form, but
like having those like flashbacks as he's fighting

760
00:57:07,719 --> 00:57:14,760
someone as big as Jared and all
the gods and angels and the highest divine

761
00:57:14,920 --> 00:57:20,440
entities are watching him do it.
Wow, Wow, amazing, amazing.

762
00:57:20,880 --> 00:57:23,519
Yeah. Did you ever get during
any of the fights kind of annoyed with

763
00:57:23,599 --> 00:57:29,480
the grand Zenos? Ah? Again, I don't know if I would have

764
00:57:29,719 --> 00:57:31,400
the first time. Around this time, I didn't, just because I know

765
00:57:31,840 --> 00:57:38,599
what to expect, and to be
honest, they're kind of there to make

766
00:57:38,639 --> 00:57:45,480
things more hype because they're like kids
watching. Yeah, because like you know,

767
00:57:45,559 --> 00:57:49,800
that fusion thing probably shouldn't have been
allowed, but they're like, yeah,

768
00:57:49,960 --> 00:57:52,920
we think it's exciting. Let's keep
going. Yeah, it's great for

769
00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:57,719
fan service because then us we could
be like, oh fuck, that would

770
00:57:57,719 --> 00:58:00,960
have been cool if we got fusions, but it's against the rules. Oh

771
00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:05,280
they interfered, and it's and because
it's exciting, we're gonna allow it.

772
00:58:05,440 --> 00:58:09,880
Oh cool, we get to see
kevla. So over overall, I didn't

773
00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:15,159
mind them, But what were your
thoughts? They just, you know,

774
00:58:15,280 --> 00:58:20,360
a little bit over time, got
a little annoying with um, the whole

775
00:58:20,440 --> 00:58:23,519
godpad there every time someone would lead
to go poop, and they just,

776
00:58:23,760 --> 00:58:28,039
um, you know, their commentary
was a little bit annoying, But it's

777
00:58:28,079 --> 00:58:30,599
not like it. Um. Yeah, it was a bit to like hype

778
00:58:30,679 --> 00:58:35,440
us up, you know, yeah, um, which was it necessary?

779
00:58:35,559 --> 00:58:38,920
Maybe not, but it it made
sense within like the overall premise of what's

780
00:58:38,960 --> 00:58:45,039
going on. Um, Saul King
skull King says, and I don't know

781
00:58:45,039 --> 00:58:49,280
if we said this, but that
the new movie, New Dragon Ball Super

782
00:58:49,280 --> 00:58:53,719
Movie is confirmed for twenty twenty two. Ray did you know that twenty twenty

783
00:58:53,719 --> 00:58:58,199
two? No. Yeah, so
we're gonna watch Broley and then we're gonna

784
00:58:58,199 --> 00:59:01,800
go to the manga. But eventually
we'll have like another movie to review,

785
00:59:02,239 --> 00:59:07,079
which hopefully will be on Broly level, because the Browly movie was very good.

786
00:59:07,639 --> 00:59:14,360
And then yeah, so obviously we'll
see as we get there what happens

787
00:59:14,360 --> 00:59:19,079
when we run out of like manga
chapters and gt But we could always do

788
00:59:19,159 --> 00:59:22,679
like some extra stuff and have like
at least a monthly chapter review episode.

789
00:59:22,800 --> 00:59:27,119
But that's down the line. We
still got plenty of stuff to do before

790
00:59:27,159 --> 00:59:30,559
we get to that point. And
another quick question really important because I'm so

791
00:59:30,840 --> 00:59:37,159
looking forward to it actually am for
entertainment purposes. I guess we're going to

792
00:59:37,239 --> 00:59:40,039
watch the real life animation drag.
Yeah, I don't know, I'm thinking

793
00:59:40,159 --> 00:59:46,440
maybe maybe we do. Maybe we
do it after the manga as like a

794
00:59:46,480 --> 00:59:52,360
way to kind of top off and
take a break before we start Dragon Ball

795
00:59:52,440 --> 00:59:57,280
GT. Yeah, just a funny
kind of episode. Funny episode, throw

796
00:59:57,320 --> 01:00:01,119
tomatoes at the movie exactly. And
I know some people are like, skip

797
01:00:01,159 --> 01:00:07,039
a movie, but I just I
enjoy watching stuff that's bad and making fun

798
01:00:07,079 --> 01:00:10,000
of it as well. I'm actually
very much looking so I'm actually excited.

799
01:00:10,760 --> 01:00:15,679
I'm actually excited. Um, thank
you chrisio Taku for two hundred and forty

800
01:00:15,719 --> 01:00:21,039
five magical crystals. But Jeeta beats
up God of Destruction and then he says

801
01:00:21,079 --> 01:00:24,920
something that I'm not gonna say because
Ray doesn't know that yet, says love

802
01:00:25,000 --> 01:00:29,639
the podcast, listen to it while
I'm delivering Amazon inspired me to do my

803
01:00:29,679 --> 01:00:34,960
own awesome chrisio Takku. Keep it
up. Thank you for the support.

804
01:00:35,719 --> 01:00:40,320
All right, anything else, Ray
we want to cover, I don't think.

805
01:00:40,360 --> 01:00:45,239
Sorry, Yeah, we did a
good job, amazing thing. Like

806
01:00:45,320 --> 01:00:52,079
I really liked the first half of
it. I did like, but often

807
01:00:52,119 --> 01:00:59,079
you reach the climax and satisfying conclusion
at the latter half of things, and

808
01:00:59,159 --> 01:01:02,719
that was the case with this tournament
and beautiful, beautiful way to end off

809
01:01:02,760 --> 01:01:09,000
the series. Love the Goku and
Vegeta still training afterwards, letting us know

810
01:01:09,119 --> 01:01:13,400
that you know they're keeping going.
There will be more to look forward to.

811
01:01:14,199 --> 01:01:20,159
The fighting never ends. And yeah, those little moments of like Vegeta

812
01:01:20,360 --> 01:01:23,639
and Boma crying when she sees Vegeta
like it was, it was great moments.

813
01:01:23,679 --> 01:01:27,719
I loved it. Freeza is now
back, which you gotta keep an

814
01:01:27,719 --> 01:01:30,239
eye on, right, he was
wished back and so we'll get to actually

815
01:01:30,920 --> 01:01:36,960
see how he serves as an evil
emperor while gokuin Vegeta are so strong,

816
01:01:37,719 --> 01:01:40,079
and how he pops up again.
But yeah, I also want to say,

817
01:01:40,119 --> 01:01:46,159
guys that for the anime Virgin On
Monday, Nucks Briggs and I are

818
01:01:46,199 --> 01:01:52,559
going to be reacting to record of
Ragnarok on Netflix, and I just gotta

819
01:01:52,599 --> 01:01:55,159
say I'm so hyped. I watched
the first four episodes, dude, I

820
01:01:55,280 --> 01:01:59,760
fucking loved it. I don't know
like what people are saying about it.

821
01:01:59,800 --> 01:02:04,639
I'm completely blind as to how people
feel about it, but I absolutely love

822
01:02:04,679 --> 01:02:08,760
it. It's like this hype machine
where it just keeps giving you like hype

823
01:02:08,800 --> 01:02:15,400
hype moments flex after flex. So
I can't wait to see how it goes,

824
01:02:15,559 --> 01:02:20,039
but yeah, like you're gonna want
to be there. I'm super hyped

825
01:02:20,039 --> 01:02:24,880
about it so far. Four episodes
in right now, but remember that in

826
01:02:24,920 --> 01:02:30,000
two weeks, Ray and I will
discuss the Broley movie and compare it to

827
01:02:30,079 --> 01:02:37,199
like prior Broley movies and how the
canonical Broley may be worse or better than

828
01:02:37,360 --> 01:02:40,360
the non canonical Brole. I have
a feeling it's gonna be better, but

829
01:02:40,519 --> 01:02:46,679
we'll see what Ray thinks. And
until next time, see Us Space Cowboys Bang,