I was listening to the story about It was the story of a family in
Washington and a little boy called the big Foot, the cowboy man, and
he had apparently it had made an effort to steal this kid. And it
hit me. My children were in that plate pen behind me were nothing but
a mosquito net over them. It could have crept up behind me and taken
both of my children, and I wouldn't know. Father just got like a
Mustang or something from Wyoming, Okay. He had it out in the corral
because he couldn't put it in the barn with the in the stalls with the
other horses. It would kick and made all the other horses nervous. Had
a seminal Indian work in the horse, trying to break it. Every day
they had it out in the corrown. The skunky snuck up behind his horse
and brammed it bonnets, hind quarters. This particular horse kicks out, jumps
over the corral, runs into the por you know, to get away.
At this point, the ranchers out there just blessed away with the thirty thirty
stun gave runs into the slump. I went up there one day after that
or two days after that, I went up there and sat in the silence
up there, and I'm telling you, man, it was free. It
was crazy, you know it was. There was a crazy vibe up there.
Still. I did what I could to kind of get things out of
control. But I told her, I said, you need to get off
this problem. I feel like, no matter how strong you are, it's
almost like standing in the ocean, you can't stand still without moving your feet.
You're going to get knocked over eventually. No matter how strong whatever,
you can't withstand a barrage of of weird spiritual energy. Hey, what's up
everybody, Twaine, Welcome back to Paranormal Odyssey. Got a good show lined
up for you today. Had a chance to sit down with Jack Smarack has
been a member of the VFRO for US fifteen years now something like that,
been on many many expeditions with the organization, has led several expeditions as well
several different states. He talks about a lot of that in this interview,
a lot of the encounters that he's been part of and some that he has
investigated as well. Had a really good talk with Jack, and I'm excited
to bring it to you. But before we get there as always. Guys,
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all of that. I know you are ready. I'm ready. Let's get
started. Jack. How you doing, Buddy good? How are you doing?
Hey good? See doing very very well. Appreciate you taking the time
to come and hang out with this this evening. It's it's a pleasure,
buddy. I appreciate it, my pleasure. It's always good to support the
cause. You're You're absolutely right Uh, let me go, I said,
I went out on the lamb, and the the other smaller individual in here
is related to you, I suppose. Yes, that would be my son
Griffin. I have four kids. He's he's my son number two, kid
number three up in Palledo, Ohio, Ohio. You're in Kentucky, right,
Jack, Yes, I'm in Kentucky and Versailles outside of Lexington. So
my bf r O territory, if you, if you may, is basically
the eastern third of the state, although I did I did hear you mentioned
something about Lampuna Lakes, which I have been there before. But a lot
of my people are typically in the Appalachian area, and I grew up in
West Virginia, So that's that's who I'm more attuned to culturally as well,
and sensitive to the way that that they deal with outsiders and unknown people and
strangers and all that kind of thing. Well, we've got a Samuel Smart
in here too. If that's my that's my son number three, child number
four, Hey, Sam, Hey, Sam, hit the subscribe button for
us. Yeah, yeah, oh Man Raley Smart the whole family, all
right, three for four? There you go, awesome, Jack, tell
us all about how you got your start in this crazy bigfoot world. Well,
I have to back up a little bit. I am a I grew
up as in boy Scouts, so I've always been camping a lot, and
I've been bury outdoors type of person. Probably my first camp and I see
it's the this is bfro og, which my wife says, was that old
goat? I said, no, I think that's old guy, old guy.
My first camp out was probably nineteen seventy. I've spent a lot of
time out in the woods and I really enjoyed it. I went into I
went into the Army right out of college out in Colorado, and we did
a lot of training in the woods and training at night. So just continuation
of that. I when I retired from the Army, I was in the
Active and Garden Reserves. I was kind of looking around for something else to
do, and I came up on the bfro website and they were having an
expedition. So I talked to of two of the local Scout masters here I
was an assistant Scout master to go to an expedition in Tennessee. So that's
how I got started. I just my love of the outdoors and just natural
curiosity. And you know, I saw the Patty Gimblin film, I saw
Steve Austin versus Bigfoot, all those guys, you know, six million dollars
man. So I'm of that era. Okay, so you had a life
long interest in Bigfoot? Is that safe to say? Yes? Yes?
And it's a backup a little bit in case Matt Moneymaker sees this. Uh
he started bfro O in nineteen ninety five. Oh did I say, I'm
sorry two thousand and five. That's okay, yeah, I apologize for that,
but but you started when repeat that to. My first expedition with bfro
was two thousand and nine, and okay, see, and I was we
went to this of course, you know then undisclosed area and they were looking
for people to cover what they call a remote site. So they had everybody
in a regular camp together in a group, but they had like an outpost
situation on a hill out by ourselves, and so me and the other two
guys said, yeah, we'll do it, sure, and everybody looked at
us like, oh, you're so brave, You're so brave. You know,
we didn't know anything, like why are we brave? Oh my gosh.
So as it turns out during one of those mornings of that expedition,
we were Usually if you go to an expedition, you do a night activity,
you have a debrief at eleven am the next day, and then you
have planning time, then you go out again the next night. So during
that one of those cycles, we are waiting for the morning meeting with the
main group, so we were kind of chilling out on our mountain side and
then we heard basically, our camp got surrounded by an animal that was roaring
at us and it was it was the strangest thing. It sounded like a
lion slash, bear slash, something very guttural, and it was it was
screaming at us three and it was I really can't even reproduce what it was
doing. It was like like that. And the first time it happened,
we looked at each other and said what And then it a few minutes later,
it did it again, and then it did it again, and then
I started getting my my pencil out and started doing row numerals. It did
it eleven times from this area and then we're like, oh gosh, and
then it stopped and fifteen minutes later, if you're looking at twelve o'clock off
to our three o'clock it started up again and it was just in the woodline
outside of our what we could see, and it started that roaring again like
we're getting like it was trying to intimidate this and mine wasn't at night.
This was like ten in the morning, sunshining, birds singing and what what
is happening? So we've got in our card left. Now. Was that
your first expedition, you said, expedition? Yeah, like if you go
to one of these VFR expeditions, that always seems like something always happens to
the new people, like I don't. I don't. It might be coincidence,
but they call them newbies. Newbies always have something crazy along with them,
and they like said on the trip that I was out there that on
the very first night out there a newbie. It wasn't me. I was
considered a newby, even though I've been doing this for several years on my
own. But one of the newbies, a lady, had some kind of
encounter on that first night. Do you remember that, Uh, what what
was it? I don't. They saw something they're talking about that was it
was the opposite. There was something on thermal, but instead of being red,
it was showed up white at the graveyard and instead of yeah hot,
it was dark like it was cold. Yeah. Yeah, and thermal somebody
else to verify. And yeah, that was a strange expedition. That was
I don't know if I was finding Bigfoot or finding ghosts on that one.
That was a yeah, that was a when you're out in the woods in
the dark, you just never know what's going to happen. Yeah. Well,
we got a question from your daughter here real quick, we'll go ahead
and get that up. She said, what is your most concrete piece of
evidence you have found? Well, I will tell you, daughter. I
was on an expedition the month after I met you in West Virginia and we
were on one of those rails to trails. I can't really tell you where
it is, but we're going along this river and a lot of people had
therms thermal recording me included. And this a newbie stopped the group and said
he just saw something walk along the tree line and stop. And so we
went back and looked, and on our terms we could see this figure.
We could see his head and shoulders and he was standing there probably about two
hundred yards away. Uh, what it was It was a meadow. We
thought at the time it was a river because it was pitch black and there
was no lights. And we have that recorded. He's standing and then you
can see him crouch crouched down into the woods, into the weeds and then
poked his head back up and do it again like that, and he's overlooking
these deer. So, uh, somebody marked marked the trail, the gravel
on the trail. We went back the next day. The fellow that that
that recorded it ran down that meadow across the field. He's six foot three
and he reached up and he couldn't reach the top of the brush where the
head was poking up. Oh wow. That it had to have been at
least ten feet tall. And there wasn't any There wasn't any logs or any
rocks to stand on or anything. So anyway, that that's recorded, and
it's you know, a thermals. You don't see clothes, you just see
a white figure. And I've always told myself, if I ever see something
like that, I'm gonna walk towards it. But at the time I thought
we when we started, we were right beside the river. I thought I
thought that meadow was still the river, so you know, twenty twenty hindsight.
Yeah, anyway, that was That's probably the best. And I don't
own that. Uh, I don't own that thermal. I actually took it
on my thermal, but my thermal is an old thermal and it won't download
anymore because it's outdated. So I really don't know what happened to that clip,
but it's there. I want to make about the b f r O,
there are if you go on the website, the BFRO dot net,
you'll see the published You could look at it reports by area and you can
look even in your county, wherever you are in Tennessee, Kentucky, whatever,
you know, any of the forty eight contiguous states in Alaska, there's
going to be a report and they're just there's a source from on for the
investigators where we go and look where people call in and write in or type
it in. I want to say probably ten percent of those reports that get
reported from the public actually mackag to that website. So even though there's tons
of them on the website, there are tons more that are have been investigated
and either debunked or people haven't gotten to, or or they're just hidden enough
time to, or they don't have resources to publish all of those reports out
there. It's phenomenal. I want to say, I bet you there's at
least thirty reports a day in nationwide bigfoot. Really. He just had a
report in matt Moneymakers heading that up like twenty ish minutes from our house here,
and it's in Red Mountain, in the Red Mountain area of our No,
that's Virginia, right, it is. Yeah, that's amazing. Now,
Is it true Jack that no you touched on the reports that you can
go to the website and see per County. Is it true that there's also
a section that isn't available to the public, that is encounters that's just there
for y'all. Yeah, that's called it's kind of like a working file,
and and they actually so like I can do a report, and I can
do it all, and I can write it up, and it just doesn't
get published. That is. That's what I'm saying. There's a lot more
out there than than me said I just on the website. Okay, but
it eventually will get published. Some of them will, some of them won't.
I mean, there's there's not much staff at a the BF Road National.
There's quite quite a few up there. That's hard to believe. And
I mean it's it's amazing that there's so many coming in. And okay,
and some of those that come in that we have to debunk is are obviously
like school kids that are, you know, saying that a big fuck ran
up to them and kissed them on them out, you know, stupid things.
Defunked those, of course. But I want to say probably the most
common bigfoot type of society is the one that crossed the road. I'm driving
in the dark, one across the road in front of me. Yeah,
why do you think there's anything to that? Jack? I was gonna ask
you that anyway. Lets go ahead and get to it, do you,
because my personal opinion is these things have been able to maintain being hidden for
all these year, centuries gone, all this time without being seen. They're
so good at it. But all of a sudden, you've got a car
coming and they go stupid all of a sudden. I mean, how does
that happen. It's like they wait till the last minute to run out.
It's like they're playing chicken or something. Do you think there's anything to that.
Why are there so many roadside sidings? I think there's roadsides. You
know. It's funny because I've seen I mean, I'm trying to let me
see if i can record this right. I've seen reports where people are in
a camp or a deer stand in and it knows you're there, and it
just walks by and doesn't care because they're like they're the boss of the woods.
A lot of a lot of times, you know, as as they'll
they'll stand still and as you drive by, and maybe they think that's that's
good enough. I don't know. To go back to that other one though,
a bigfoot in the dark. Even though they are in the dark,
they still hide like it's high noon. So I don't know. And this
is my opinion. I think they think that we can probably see as good
as they can in the dark. You know, I've never thought about that,
And that's that's a good point to make, Jake. I'll give you
an example. Have you ever heard of the Mike Green photo in North Carolina?
The outside of Tarlotte the candy bar, the candy bar, Yeah,
yeah, I have, yeah, So he stay tuned for more Paranormal Odyssey
you know Mike Green who passed away last year. He when he set that
camera up inside of a tent and he had it on a stump and he
put the candy bar on it, and he drove away and didn't come back
until a long time later. So the camera was running, thermal camera was
running in the back of a tent, so you couldn't you know, you
couldn't likely see that the camera if you watched that video the Being of the
Sasquatch, even though it's pitch black, it's creeping around and crawling on his
belly and then crawls up and it reaches up and grabs a candy bar and
comes back down, even though it's pitch black. Yeah, I've never even
really thought about that. What would be the point is it? But I
remember that video U They showed it on Finding Big Butt, and I've seen
it a couple other places. Yeah. Yeah, We've got a couple of
questions here for you. The first one comes from Troy. Troy asked our
most reports from a single individual or a group of people through the reports that
come in that come in are from a wide group, wide band of people.
We've had, We've had people that were sheriffs. We've had people who
are lawyers, We've had people who are campers, We've had teenagers. They're
just all across the spectrum. And then we also have reports that people will
call in like an emergency to the b f R, O and U and
be really shaken up because something something's happened, and they'll like they will call
an investigator to go out there real quick. Like I've had people in in
the eastern Kentucky who've been like harassed to the point of being scared to go
out to their car at night or to go to work in the next morning.
And yeah, I had a guy in in eastern Kentucky. The had
a he had a Saint Bernard and he was having uh, he was buying
fifty pounds of dog food a week in his carboard and he was like he
was he was knocking tomato steaks and suddenly there was some he was getting returned
docks in the woods, and then rocks were coming and he was getting pelted
with rocks as he's working out these garden. So I said, you know,
what, do you have a game camera? He goes, yeah,
but I'm using for deer season. I said, well, after deer season
come down putting on your carpoard. And he did that and guess what,
No, no more nighttime thiefs on his carpark. That's amazing, ain't it?
Bigfoot? Do not they you? And never you rarely ever see a
picture of a bigfoot on a game camp. As many game camps are out
there, there should be thousands of pictures of bigfoot. Exactly. They stay
away from I mean in itself, not trees down in front of them have
gone around behind him and torn them off and thrown them down. I've had
lots of those experiences with with people. We got another question for uh brum
Adam O'Nan. What would you what would you consider essential equipment to bring on
an expedition aside from normal camping gear. So when you're a new person going
on on a expedition, uh, besides your regular camping gear and your rain
gear and all that stuff. A red flashlight because there's somebody there's going to
have a recorder like addictive, a small recorder. Somebody there's going to have
that. Somebody's going to have hopefully thermals and they're coming down in price.
I mean, if you can call five hundred dollars coming down. I mean,
you can spend as much as you want to on on a thermal.
Yeah, there's gonna be people out there with these these directional hearing things,
you know, like you see on the side of the NFL shows, you
know during games. That's that's all going to be there. So really what
you need to bring is a just a good red headlamp that's fairly bright.
And what was the thinking behind the red versus a regular light that you know?
I so, as I kind of talked before, I was in the
army for a long time and we did a lot of things at night,
mostly at night, and before back in the late seventies and eighties, there
wasn't any thermals that were small. Use red. It doesn't shine as far
and it it preserved your your night vision. So if the theory is this
guy has got these giant eyes that can have all these receptors and he can
see in the fitst black, he can see you anyway, but it's really
to help you to keep your night vision. Man. Yeah, I mean
that that makes sense. I knew there was a reason for it. Is
when I was on one on this expedition back this past year, they gave
out red flashlights. That was one of the things that they gave out on
the expedition, and so and I've been told before that that's all y'all really
use. Yes, yeah, okay, do you have any other encounters on
could You've been on so many expeditions and you've been to Ohio, Kentucky,
Tennessee, West Virginia. Are there any other encounters that that stick out to
you? Uh? Yeah, there's a Let me tell you about this one.
We went on an expedition and once again we said, hey, we
want to go to the remote you because because of all, you know what
happened on the other one. Okay, we got this remote for you.
So they took us on top of this mountain along the Tennessee North Carolina border.
So you guys, if you're you guys, know that that's from really
tall mountains, Like there's blue mountains a way up there. So they took
us to the top of this mountain and you could see for like five minutes
if my car is coming, because it's winding its way up the trail.
So the guy leaves us there and we, uh as, excuse me a
second, I need to shut the door you're fine, great question tonight,
guys. I appreciate the uh, all the activity in the chat, so
you'll keep them coming. Thanks. So anyway, we you know, smoky
mountains, we collect our firewood. We started a fire, starting to rain.
I just sat down and sat got settled in, and a probably from
thirty feet away behind these trees, a five hundred pounds big bird made his
present stone. And if I were to yell right now, it's and I
didn't have my record on Oh no do that. I mean, we knew
we're the only people out there, and something ginormous I mean screamed at us.
I mean it. It was the only way I could describe it as
a five hundred found big bird and uh. And we sat there. Fire
start going low, and I told my friend, I said, hey,
you're turning to go out and get the firewood. Life. I don't know
why we just didn't get in the truck and leave that. At that point,
you know, we're we're adventures and stupid, So no, we stay.
So we're sitting there. Oh my gosh, it's starting to rain.
So my buddy says, well, I'm going to bed. Okay, I'm
going to bed too, So Uh. He went to his tent, a
little backpacking tent, and I had a little a little like a little dumb
tent. And I'm sitting there and I'm I've got a book and I'm reading
my book. I'm laying down. You know, We've just been yelled at,
like forty five minutes before the rain's coming down, and I'm I'm laying
there and I feel wet on my elbow. I went, oh, geez,
my tent sleeking. So I get on my hands and knees and I
oh, I skipped the point. After we got yelled at. My friend
went to the car and he picked out two pistols, one for me,
one for probably shouldn't have been there, but anyway, so we were both
armed, right, So craud, it's raining, I'm going to get soaked.
So what do you do you. I got on my hands and knees,
and I got my flashlight and I'm looking at the scene, trying to
see where the leak is. And along the back of the tent, a
finger pokes into the canvas and goes and yeah, it was like something with
a finger ran along the back of my canvas, where my where my flashlight
was, and I said, hey, because you know, I've got four
kids, I know how to be a dad voice. And my friend,
because you know my friend, he's he's kind of back me. He goes,
Jack, are you okay? I said no, no, I'm not
okay. I scared me and I said, hey, do you have any
room in your tent? He goes, no, I don't have any room.
It's a backpack a tent. I said, tough. Hey, I
got and I wiggled in that tent. And so was you the big spoon
a little spoon when you're trying to say alive, don't don't, don't go
sit in the truck. That morning, I woke up. It was pre
dawn. I got out the truck and I re examined my life and I'm
like, what am I doing here? What? That's funny because you know
I go on these things. You know, every chance that I get and
Jack, every time that I'm out there looking for these things, there come
Oh it never fails. There comes a point at some point in the night
where I get spooked and I have that same come to Jesus meeting. Why
do I do this? Why I keep putting myself in these positions where I'm
out here terrified. Yeah, and then the morning comes in you're like,
hell, yeah, you remember, you remember how cool that was last night.
I'll never forget it, never forget the first I heard of barn owl,
the who cooks for you? You know that that so have a call
that's kind of like monkey chatter. I don't know if you look it up
on Google. Barred our sounds and part of us is like that. And
uh, I never forget me and me and the sky were in eastern Kentucky
by ourselves on this trail at three in the morning, and the Pitt's black
and that that owl went off, and on his recording you could hear my
voice say, well, I think it's time to go back to the truck.
But I you know, you learn this, you know when you get
it, when you spend time out in the woods, you you learn what's
you know, those are those code brown moments in your life. We'll get
you my brown pants, right, and uh some other some other strange things
like I've been scouting for expeditions and some like subtle things like we went out
to this area that's supposed to be active too in the afternoon, stopped our
car got out and as soon as we got out and started walking to the
woods and now and now went that's weird too. And after then we walked
around and kind of did our scouting picks and trails and stuff. And as
we walked back out to the car, as soon as we got to the
same spot, Now, what what's that all about? You knowing for you
know, so this, you know, just strange stuff. You know,
you really can't of credit at the big floot, but you're wondering, like,
was there somebody watching us? That was you know, telling the other
people you know they're here and now they're leaving, you know that kind of
Yeah, Griffin Smart is asking what is your take on wood knock You had
a pretty interesting experiment with WOODKNOCKX. If you want to tie that in there,
I'll do that. Well, wood knocks are I believe, Griffin,
Thank you for the question. There a form of communication and we have been
around when you hear what not before something happens and then after something happens.
I have I'll give you an example. We're in West Virginian near in the
northeastern part of towards the Maryland border, and we had all these groups go
out and this this this one group found a squash that was peaking at them
from behind a tree and it was kind of there were eight people in the
group that were all passing the turbo around. They didn't have a recording and
so they had called for the expedition leader, Jones. He's a good guy
from Charles, West Virginia, and he was when he walked up to the
group to to check it out. As he walks, as he gets almost
to the group, they're all looking say, they're all looking to the west,
well to the east, and behind him on the hill, crack crack,
wood knock as Russ came up. And then they looked back and the
thing must have sunk down and crawled away because they never saw it again.
So you know, this is a communication like, hey, there's another guy
coming. We had We had an expedition in Kentucky that I ran where we
had a group go out and you could hear we had a station with the
big ear and the sky. As they were going down the trail, you
could hear parallel woodknocks on the hills beside him, like like they're here,
now, they're up here, now, they're up here, now there and
we all got it on recording very faint, so just a way to communicate
to each other and uh to kind of tie that back. We were trying
to figure out, you know, I try to do a little bit of
science. So we did an experiment in Kentucky and I had some some volunteers.
We had a guy with two six knock together, a guy with a
tree, and a guy with the like a drumstick that you used to practice
your drum that still makes a noise. And then like somebody did the hand
pop and we had people go out, you know, like a tenth of
a mile, two tenths, three tenths all the way, and then we
record which ones we could still hear in the furthest one away could hear was
bottom line was a quarter mile and you can still hear wood knock. You
know that's really valuable information. Yeah, yeah, because when when you hear
a knock, it's pretty safe to say they're within a quarter of a mile
of you, right right, And some of them, I mean, you
say, it sound like they're right on top of you, But what do
they do? I mean, if you and I were to go get a
wood knock, we either have a littleville slugger with us, or we look
around for a tree and look around for a big stick and do it.
Do you think Bigfoot's walking around doing the same thing? Or you know,
I've read where they can make a noise. They've got big hands, they've
got big mouse to do. This is that a wood knock? You know?
Yeah? I mean and you're you can hear that. It's pretty loud
when you're doing it. Imagine enormous. And I've also heard about like an
open hand slap on a tree instead of using a stick, using their hand
on the side of a tree. I've heard that, but heard have it?
Man, that's sting. I would think, yeah, you would think
Troy's asking what about rock throwing? Have you you experienced that? Yes,
I have had. I've had rock throwing, and I've had a couple of
really good witnesses that had rock throwings that had surprise endings to rock throwing.
Uh. For us, I've been camping along this creek in this relactive area
and no cars around except for our vehicles. And you know the little pop
ups that you have, you know, the little a little pop up for
the little rain flies that you can put up and most people will cook on
her and stuff. Mm hmm. Suddenly that thing goes and start shaking.
Stay tuned for more paranormal odyssey. Like, what in the world was that?
And walked over and there was a baseball sized rock had sailed into our
camp like something had just thrown it into our camp. That was I mean,
that was that will get your attention. Yeah, well, and that's
kind of a follow up question that Troy had was their size of the rock.
Do you believe that has any correlation with intention? Well, yeah,
I think it wanted to. I wanted us to get the hell out of
there, really, but we didn't. Yeah. I think that's what the
rock throws are is a warning you need to be moving on. Yeah.
Yeah. I had a guy report and you can see it on my if
you go to Kentucky. I can't remember what county it was because I've got
some money on there. But this guy was out hunting gen sing. He
doesn't know what that is, you dig up the roots and everything. So
his family was they're having a picnic and the kids were down there at Blueveald
fishing and they're eating peanut butter sandwich, is having a good time. So
he just wanders up the hill to look for gensing, and as he goes
further and further up, he sees these pebbles are falling all around him.
He's like, well, that's weird. Like in Kentucky it's woods and then
sometimes at the top it's kind of like cliffs with boulders and stuff. Well,
maybe something's up there kicking bolt, you know, kicking rocks down or
something. And then he you know, he still works working his way up
and as he gets towards the top of this hill, their crowds down like
is a bigfoot and it's waiting for him, and it's it's got like a
man face, but it's hairy all over and it's just like crouched over and
he's there going, oh, he didn't see it till he was like right
there with it, like twenty yards away. And he's like, I have
a little bag for my gensen and a little pen knife to pick up and
and I said, well, what did you do? Oh my gosh,
what did you And he said, well, you ever like walked around the
neighborhood and ran into a dog that was not on a leash. It was
kind of like the same thing. He's like, okay, I'm not here.
I'm just I'm just here visiting. Is well down and he's kind of
back pedal and the thing has scored him all the way out of the woods,
all the way down till he could see the bright area where that his
kids were picnicking. And then he could as he's walking it was crunch,
crunch, crunch, right behind him all the way down. It's forty all
the way down. And he got out of the went to wist. Family
said, oh gotta go, let's go wrong, Dad, what's wrong?
I saw a bear up there? He never did. Yeah, he never
told him what it was because he feeling a freak. His family out that
there was a giant off the mountain. Now, Jackie, you talked about
we just talked about the rock throwing. H I've been I've talked about it
several times that I've had. In my time short time doing this, short
compared to yours short time doing this, I've had I've experienced almost everything except
for a couple. I believe one of those was the rock throwing. But
I can confidently say now that I have had a rock thrown at me,
but the other one, and I'm curious to see if you have experienced.
This is the smell you always hear people talk about the smell. I have
never smelled it, have you? Ah, I have smelled something in the
woods, but I have I kind of can explain it. But no,
I've never smelled that smell. I wanted to say. I'll be objective.
I've never smelled that smell. Has smelled decay before. But I also found
like a like a swampy area with a bunch of like an old sistern with
a bunch of stuff in it. So that's what I attributed to. But
no, I've never smelled Why I would hear that dead meat skunky smell.
Yeah, I always like to ask that because I'd like to hear how everyone
describes it, because you hear several different descriptions, and I don't know.
I want to experience it. I'm looking forward to that and hopefully one day
Yeah, well I'm looking forward to that class A. But we'll see exactly
I am too. You don't catch them if you're sitting on the couch.
There you go, There you go. I'll be at the uh the l
b L this weekend. My buddy Troy and a couple others are going with
this now. You you mentioned briefly that you've been to the LBL, anything
of interest happened there. You know, I have been to the lb L
and I haven't had anything personally that I know of. My son in law
is from Murray and and they'll tell you that they've never nothing's ever happened to
them. But you know, uh, we had. I don't know if
you call it a funny story. We had. We had something happen.
And this is line the clock way back to like two thousand and two thousand
and one. I was camping with my family with these four kids, and
I pop up. They have a they have a like a National park type
campsite down there, and the kids and the wife they all of a sudden
they wanted to go swimming, and I said, it's going to get dark
before we get back. We really want to go, So okay, I
relented, and we parked in this parking lot and walked on this trail and
they found a little like a little inlet where swam, and then we got
up and sure enough it was dark time we got back on the trail.
No lights pre cell phone days, you can only see the trail because it's
a lighter color than the woods, so there's a lighter gravel than the darker
gravel. And I swear there was something that followed us out of those woods.
Like I was trying to keep everybody calm because I had four little kids
and my wife and me and I. She'll say it was her that she
was the one that was in the back. Then I was kind of leading
in the front, just trying to keep everybody pointed and get to the car.
But there was something, you know, I don't know what it was.
It could have been anything, but it felt like there was an animal
like on the back of her neck. He could kind of feel that you're
being watched and you're being followed out. And this is well before I even
thought about Bigfoot. It's just one of those memories that I have. Yeah,
I've experienced it too. Yeah, and I've taken a report from He'll
be on the camp in a camping area where that a couple was there,
and it was it's always like after a big weekend and the people that staved
Monday and Tuesday, Hey, that's when you get all the firewood. Everybody
else left, and you know it's not as crowded, but b and this
has happened more than once in reports. That's when scavengers come down and look
in the dumpsters and see what's left, and they've had more than one bigfoot.
Those guys that stay on month till Monday and Tuesday. You know.
Lorie Wade said the exact same thing. I interviewed her on here, and
I think she talked about it at the expedition too, Like if you have
an expedition that's supposed to be like Thursday, Friday, Saturday and Sunday,
those of you that can stay that extra night and stay until Monday, you
might have an encounter because everyone else leaves. Yeah. Yeah, it's like
they know, okay, the campers are leaving their head. Now there's gonna
be some food down here in the garbage can. So that's smart. That's
yeah. That's we were talking earlier before the show about the lights of Scioto
Lights, And that's why I was up there in Ohio and the Shawnee Forrest
was to follow up on a report that this this family had stayed to like
Tuesday and something and threw a log into their camp and they got up and
they just left their campsite until it was daytime. They just got in a
carn drove away. And yeah, so that's a good, good tip for
all you guys listening to to do if you got to turn all right,
we we got about five more minutes, jacket. If you got a short
story you want to to share, or if not, we can go ahead
and end it up to you. Bud. Well, I'll tell you one.
I had a had this. This guy had had caught it had written
into the the flats, which is where we go to pick up our stories.
And the only thing he had written down was his name, his phone
number, and his town, which was near Georgetown if you know that's near
the they make the the toyotas you know up here in Kentucky. And I
said, gosh, well that's only a half hour away from you. Let
me just call him up there's He had no he didn't have any descriptions he'd
have anything. So I just on a whim, I just called him and
he said, I said, well, I'm Jack smart. I see where
you started to report, but you didn't put anything down. And then he
was hit the typical guy. He's like, well, first of all,
I don't believe Bigfoot. Where's the body? Why have they ever got one?
How come it's not on film? You know, all of the usual
questions, which if you look on VIU Road out net, a lot of
those are answered. He says, Okay, well, let me tell you
what happened last Sunday. I was hunting squirrels, and I had my little
beagle, Dole. And usually when I get out and my dad's farm and
he, uh, he is retired, so he nobody really goes out there
anymore. So he used to run cattle, but not anymore. So he
gets he he's hunting, and usually his dog's real happy and he's running around,
running around, And when he got out of the truck, the dog
was real happy. Then suddenly the dogs on him. The dog never leaves
his side the whole day. He is going through the woods and he thinks
the acorns are falling around him, and he's like, well, that's weird.
It's like, you know, this time of year, why are there
acorns? And it turns out there were rocks. And it turns out that
he was walking down going from one field to the next. He turns the
corner and he comes face to face with an eight foot tall sasquatch like ten
feet away. He popped around the corner. It is standing there and it's
got one arm up holding a branch, looking at him, and the dog
is like trying to crawl up his leg and get away. And he's like,
oh my god. I said, well, what did you do?
He said he had a he had a twelve good shot gun and he had
you know, number six shot in it. And he says, I don't
I don't think it would have done anything. It was four feet wide,
you know. He saw the face, the ears, the eyes and nose,
everything, and he it just it confronted him. And I said,
well, what happened? He pointed at it with a shotgun and the thing
just dove into some bushes and when it dove that way, he dove this
way and ran back to his car as fast he could back to his truck.
Oh my god. This was like Tuesday. I took this and I
said, oh my gosh, let's hey, let's go. Let's go out
there, let's go see walk and see and uh, okay, well let's
go Saturday. I was all pumped, We're going to go up there Saturday.
And he called me back. He said his dad. His dad didn't
want anybody out there. That's how it always goes. Yeah, one quick
question before we let you go. Jack Torrey's asking, what do you think
about dog Man? Well, I will tell you this when I look at
when I used to run expeditions in Kentucky and I talked about going to Land
the Lakes, and I thought about it, and I said, Gosh,
I think I want to go look look for something that's going to be shy
and kind of stay away from me, and not something that's going to be
mean and come at me. I'm going to give dog Man a chance.
Yeah, probably good thinking. Jack. All right, well we are here
at the hour mark. Ready, good stuff. I appreciate you coming to
hang out. It's been fun. Yes, it's been very interesting. I've
had several people comment that they they've learned a lot tonight. So yeah,
this is awesome, very good. All right, buddy, Again, I
appreciate it, and you enjoy the rest of your evening. Okay, yeah,
bye bye bye. They say you don't gotta go home, but you
can't stay. I don't want to be. We're all outing job, a
job that chart everything can pride the joy for me to stay? Right?
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