1 00:00:01,439 --> 00:00:05,480 I was listening to the story about It was the story of a family in 2 00:00:05,679 --> 00:00:09,359 Washington and a little boy called the big Foot, the cowboy man, and 3 00:00:09,839 --> 00:00:14,560 he had apparently it had made an effort to steal this kid. And it 4 00:00:14,640 --> 00:00:20,839 hit me. My children were in that plate pen behind me were nothing but 5 00:00:20,960 --> 00:00:26,039 a mosquito net over them. It could have crept up behind me and taken 6 00:00:26,160 --> 00:00:34,719 both of my children, and I wouldn't know. Father just got like a 7 00:00:34,840 --> 00:00:38,799 Mustang or something from Wyoming, Okay. He had it out in the corral 8 00:00:38,840 --> 00:00:42,079 because he couldn't put it in the barn with the in the stalls with the 9 00:00:42,079 --> 00:00:45,280 other horses. It would kick and made all the other horses nervous. Had 10 00:00:45,320 --> 00:00:48,560 a seminal Indian work in the horse, trying to break it. Every day 11 00:00:48,840 --> 00:00:53,079 they had it out in the corrown. The skunky snuck up behind his horse 12 00:00:53,359 --> 00:00:58,359 and brammed it bonnets, hind quarters. This particular horse kicks out, jumps 13 00:00:58,439 --> 00:01:00,280 over the corral, runs into the por you know, to get away. 14 00:01:00,320 --> 00:01:04,159 At this point, the ranchers out there just blessed away with the thirty thirty 15 00:01:04,519 --> 00:01:11,560 stun gave runs into the slump. I went up there one day after that 16 00:01:11,680 --> 00:01:15,439 or two days after that, I went up there and sat in the silence 17 00:01:15,280 --> 00:01:18,879 up there, and I'm telling you, man, it was free. It 18 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:22,439 was crazy, you know it was. There was a crazy vibe up there. 19 00:01:22,560 --> 00:01:25,239 Still. I did what I could to kind of get things out of 20 00:01:25,280 --> 00:01:26,560 control. But I told her, I said, you need to get off 21 00:01:26,640 --> 00:01:30,319 this problem. I feel like, no matter how strong you are, it's 22 00:01:30,319 --> 00:01:34,719 almost like standing in the ocean, you can't stand still without moving your feet. 23 00:01:34,799 --> 00:01:37,760 You're going to get knocked over eventually. No matter how strong whatever, 24 00:01:38,079 --> 00:01:49,239 you can't withstand a barrage of of weird spiritual energy. Hey, what's up 25 00:01:49,280 --> 00:01:55,159 everybody, Twaine, Welcome back to Paranormal Odyssey. Got a good show lined 26 00:01:55,239 --> 00:02:00,359 up for you today. Had a chance to sit down with Jack Smarack has 27 00:02:00,480 --> 00:02:05,680 been a member of the VFRO for US fifteen years now something like that, 28 00:02:06,359 --> 00:02:12,520 been on many many expeditions with the organization, has led several expeditions as well 29 00:02:12,960 --> 00:02:16,840 several different states. He talks about a lot of that in this interview, 30 00:02:17,080 --> 00:02:21,479 a lot of the encounters that he's been part of and some that he has 31 00:02:21,560 --> 00:02:25,199 investigated as well. Had a really good talk with Jack, and I'm excited 32 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:30,439 to bring it to you. But before we get there as always. Guys, 33 00:02:30,439 --> 00:02:34,800 I'd like every one of you to please take a second to rate interview 34 00:02:34,919 --> 00:02:38,840 the show. Wherever it is you get your podcasts. If you've had an 35 00:02:38,919 --> 00:02:43,280 encounter and would like to come on and share it with me, I would 36 00:02:43,360 --> 00:02:46,439 love to talk to you about that. Shoot me an email to Wayne at 37 00:02:46,520 --> 00:02:53,560 Paranormalworldproductions dot com. I want to invite everyone to head over to the website 38 00:02:53,639 --> 00:02:58,560 as well, Paranormal World Productions dot com and check out all the other shows 39 00:02:58,879 --> 00:03:02,400 in the studio. We would appreciate that. Also, one remind everyone about 40 00:03:02,400 --> 00:03:08,560 Paranormal Odyssey Love, which can be found every Tuesday evening eight o'clock Eastern. 41 00:03:09,159 --> 00:03:14,479 Please hit that subscribe button if you have not done so already, we would 42 00:03:14,560 --> 00:03:17,599 love to have you over there. All right, guys, that's enough of 43 00:03:17,759 --> 00:03:23,000 all of that. I know you are ready. I'm ready. Let's get 44 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:29,520 started. Jack. How you doing, Buddy good? How are you doing? 45 00:03:30,919 --> 00:03:36,520 Hey good? See doing very very well. Appreciate you taking the time 46 00:03:36,680 --> 00:03:40,599 to come and hang out with this this evening. It's it's a pleasure, 47 00:03:40,639 --> 00:03:46,080 buddy. I appreciate it, my pleasure. It's always good to support the 48 00:03:46,199 --> 00:03:52,800 cause. You're You're absolutely right Uh, let me go, I said, 49 00:03:52,840 --> 00:03:58,319 I went out on the lamb, and the the other smaller individual in here 50 00:03:58,680 --> 00:04:02,840 is related to you, I suppose. Yes, that would be my son 51 00:04:02,919 --> 00:04:09,759 Griffin. I have four kids. He's he's my son number two, kid 52 00:04:09,879 --> 00:04:18,879 number three up in Palledo, Ohio, Ohio. You're in Kentucky, right, 53 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:24,639 Jack, Yes, I'm in Kentucky and Versailles outside of Lexington. So 54 00:04:26,160 --> 00:04:30,079 my bf r O territory, if you, if you may, is basically 55 00:04:30,279 --> 00:04:35,199 the eastern third of the state, although I did I did hear you mentioned 56 00:04:35,240 --> 00:04:41,560 something about Lampuna Lakes, which I have been there before. But a lot 57 00:04:41,680 --> 00:04:48,360 of my people are typically in the Appalachian area, and I grew up in 58 00:04:48,439 --> 00:04:54,120 West Virginia, So that's that's who I'm more attuned to culturally as well, 59 00:04:54,839 --> 00:05:01,319 and sensitive to the way that that they deal with outsiders and unknown people and 60 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:06,800 strangers and all that kind of thing. Well, we've got a Samuel Smart 61 00:05:06,879 --> 00:05:12,439 in here too. If that's my that's my son number three, child number 62 00:05:12,480 --> 00:05:16,120 four, Hey, Sam, Hey, Sam, hit the subscribe button for 63 00:05:16,240 --> 00:05:27,040 us. Yeah, yeah, oh Man Raley Smart the whole family, all 64 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:31,399 right, three for four? There you go, awesome, Jack, tell 65 00:05:31,480 --> 00:05:39,680 us all about how you got your start in this crazy bigfoot world. Well, 66 00:05:41,319 --> 00:05:46,040 I have to back up a little bit. I am a I grew 67 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:50,800 up as in boy Scouts, so I've always been camping a lot, and 68 00:05:50,879 --> 00:05:58,560 I've been bury outdoors type of person. Probably my first camp and I see 69 00:05:58,600 --> 00:06:02,639 it's the this is bfro og, which my wife says, was that old 70 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:08,920 goat? I said, no, I think that's old guy, old guy. 71 00:06:10,199 --> 00:06:14,439 My first camp out was probably nineteen seventy. I've spent a lot of 72 00:06:14,439 --> 00:06:17,079 time out in the woods and I really enjoyed it. I went into I 73 00:06:17,399 --> 00:06:24,000 went into the Army right out of college out in Colorado, and we did 74 00:06:24,040 --> 00:06:30,920 a lot of training in the woods and training at night. So just continuation 75 00:06:30,079 --> 00:06:35,319 of that. I when I retired from the Army, I was in the 76 00:06:35,480 --> 00:06:41,680 Active and Garden Reserves. I was kind of looking around for something else to 77 00:06:41,800 --> 00:06:47,040 do, and I came up on the bfro website and they were having an 78 00:06:47,120 --> 00:06:54,079 expedition. So I talked to of two of the local Scout masters here I 79 00:06:54,199 --> 00:06:59,800 was an assistant Scout master to go to an expedition in Tennessee. So that's 80 00:07:00,079 --> 00:07:05,319 how I got started. I just my love of the outdoors and just natural 81 00:07:05,439 --> 00:07:12,079 curiosity. And you know, I saw the Patty Gimblin film, I saw 82 00:07:12,439 --> 00:07:15,759 Steve Austin versus Bigfoot, all those guys, you know, six million dollars 83 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:21,720 man. So I'm of that era. Okay, so you had a life 84 00:07:21,800 --> 00:07:26,439 long interest in Bigfoot? Is that safe to say? Yes? Yes? 85 00:07:27,439 --> 00:07:31,439 And it's a backup a little bit in case Matt Moneymaker sees this. Uh 86 00:07:31,920 --> 00:07:36,720 he started bfro O in nineteen ninety five. Oh did I say, I'm 87 00:07:36,759 --> 00:07:42,160 sorry two thousand and five. That's okay, yeah, I apologize for that, 88 00:07:43,439 --> 00:07:47,360 but but you started when repeat that to. My first expedition with bfro 89 00:07:47,680 --> 00:07:54,680 was two thousand and nine, and okay, see, and I was we 90 00:07:54,879 --> 00:08:01,120 went to this of course, you know then undisclosed area and they were looking 91 00:08:01,199 --> 00:08:05,879 for people to cover what they call a remote site. So they had everybody 92 00:08:07,160 --> 00:08:11,839 in a regular camp together in a group, but they had like an outpost 93 00:08:11,879 --> 00:08:16,240 situation on a hill out by ourselves, and so me and the other two 94 00:08:16,279 --> 00:08:20,199 guys said, yeah, we'll do it, sure, and everybody looked at 95 00:08:20,279 --> 00:08:24,240 us like, oh, you're so brave, You're so brave. You know, 96 00:08:24,319 --> 00:08:26,639 we didn't know anything, like why are we brave? Oh my gosh. 97 00:08:28,160 --> 00:08:35,919 So as it turns out during one of those mornings of that expedition, 98 00:08:37,039 --> 00:08:41,399 we were Usually if you go to an expedition, you do a night activity, 99 00:08:43,159 --> 00:08:46,360 you have a debrief at eleven am the next day, and then you 100 00:08:46,480 --> 00:08:50,639 have planning time, then you go out again the next night. So during 101 00:08:50,720 --> 00:08:54,279 that one of those cycles, we are waiting for the morning meeting with the 102 00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:58,399 main group, so we were kind of chilling out on our mountain side and 103 00:08:58,600 --> 00:09:07,399 then we heard basically, our camp got surrounded by an animal that was roaring 104 00:09:07,519 --> 00:09:13,240 at us and it was it was the strangest thing. It sounded like a 105 00:09:13,559 --> 00:09:20,720 lion slash, bear slash, something very guttural, and it was it was 106 00:09:20,960 --> 00:09:28,840 screaming at us three and it was I really can't even reproduce what it was 107 00:09:28,919 --> 00:09:33,360 doing. It was like like that. And the first time it happened, 108 00:09:33,440 --> 00:09:37,360 we looked at each other and said what And then it a few minutes later, 109 00:09:37,399 --> 00:09:41,000 it did it again, and then it did it again, and then 110 00:09:41,039 --> 00:09:46,320 I started getting my my pencil out and started doing row numerals. It did 111 00:09:46,360 --> 00:09:50,679 it eleven times from this area and then we're like, oh gosh, and 112 00:09:50,679 --> 00:09:58,159 then it stopped and fifteen minutes later, if you're looking at twelve o'clock off 113 00:09:58,240 --> 00:10:03,919 to our three o'clock it started up again and it was just in the woodline 114 00:10:03,960 --> 00:10:09,440 outside of our what we could see, and it started that roaring again like 115 00:10:09,519 --> 00:10:15,720 we're getting like it was trying to intimidate this and mine wasn't at night. 116 00:10:15,840 --> 00:10:22,759 This was like ten in the morning, sunshining, birds singing and what what 117 00:10:24,240 --> 00:10:33,919 is happening? So we've got in our card left. Now. Was that 118 00:10:35,120 --> 00:10:39,519 your first expedition, you said, expedition? Yeah, like if you go 119 00:10:39,679 --> 00:10:43,919 to one of these VFR expeditions, that always seems like something always happens to 120 00:10:43,039 --> 00:10:46,840 the new people, like I don't. I don't. It might be coincidence, 121 00:10:46,919 --> 00:10:54,240 but they call them newbies. Newbies always have something crazy along with them, 122 00:10:54,519 --> 00:11:01,039 and they like said on the trip that I was out there that on 123 00:11:01,159 --> 00:11:05,200 the very first night out there a newbie. It wasn't me. I was 124 00:11:05,279 --> 00:11:09,120 considered a newby, even though I've been doing this for several years on my 125 00:11:09,240 --> 00:11:13,960 own. But one of the newbies, a lady, had some kind of 126 00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:18,600 encounter on that first night. Do you remember that, Uh, what what 127 00:11:18,879 --> 00:11:26,919 was it? I don't. They saw something they're talking about that was it 128 00:11:26,080 --> 00:11:30,960 was the opposite. There was something on thermal, but instead of being red, 129 00:11:31,080 --> 00:11:35,399 it was showed up white at the graveyard and instead of yeah hot, 130 00:11:35,480 --> 00:11:41,679 it was dark like it was cold. Yeah. Yeah, and thermal somebody 131 00:11:41,720 --> 00:11:46,000 else to verify. And yeah, that was a strange expedition. That was 132 00:11:48,159 --> 00:11:50,960 I don't know if I was finding Bigfoot or finding ghosts on that one. 133 00:11:50,080 --> 00:11:54,440 That was a yeah, that was a when you're out in the woods in 134 00:11:54,519 --> 00:12:00,279 the dark, you just never know what's going to happen. Yeah. Well, 135 00:12:00,320 --> 00:12:03,000 we got a question from your daughter here real quick, we'll go ahead 136 00:12:03,720 --> 00:12:07,919 and get that up. She said, what is your most concrete piece of 137 00:12:07,039 --> 00:12:18,799 evidence you have found? Well, I will tell you, daughter. I 138 00:12:18,960 --> 00:12:24,960 was on an expedition the month after I met you in West Virginia and we 139 00:12:26,159 --> 00:12:30,759 were on one of those rails to trails. I can't really tell you where 140 00:12:30,759 --> 00:12:35,600 it is, but we're going along this river and a lot of people had 141 00:12:35,679 --> 00:12:46,120 therms thermal recording me included. And this a newbie stopped the group and said 142 00:12:46,159 --> 00:12:52,000 he just saw something walk along the tree line and stop. And so we 143 00:12:52,120 --> 00:12:56,840 went back and looked, and on our terms we could see this figure. 144 00:12:56,879 --> 00:13:03,279 We could see his head and shoulders and he was standing there probably about two 145 00:13:03,399 --> 00:13:07,320 hundred yards away. Uh, what it was It was a meadow. We 146 00:13:07,399 --> 00:13:11,080 thought at the time it was a river because it was pitch black and there 147 00:13:11,159 --> 00:13:16,960 was no lights. And we have that recorded. He's standing and then you 148 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:20,679 can see him crouch crouched down into the woods, into the weeds and then 149 00:13:20,840 --> 00:13:26,399 poked his head back up and do it again like that, and he's overlooking 150 00:13:26,480 --> 00:13:31,879 these deer. So, uh, somebody marked marked the trail, the gravel 151 00:13:31,960 --> 00:13:35,279 on the trail. We went back the next day. The fellow that that 152 00:13:35,919 --> 00:13:41,480 that recorded it ran down that meadow across the field. He's six foot three 153 00:13:41,519 --> 00:13:45,600 and he reached up and he couldn't reach the top of the brush where the 154 00:13:45,679 --> 00:13:48,039 head was poking up. Oh wow. That it had to have been at 155 00:13:48,120 --> 00:13:54,120 least ten feet tall. And there wasn't any There wasn't any logs or any 156 00:13:54,360 --> 00:14:00,080 rocks to stand on or anything. So anyway, that that's recorded, and 157 00:14:00,200 --> 00:14:05,919 it's you know, a thermals. You don't see clothes, you just see 158 00:14:05,240 --> 00:14:11,559 a white figure. And I've always told myself, if I ever see something 159 00:14:11,600 --> 00:14:16,720 like that, I'm gonna walk towards it. But at the time I thought 160 00:14:16,919 --> 00:14:22,200 we when we started, we were right beside the river. I thought I 161 00:14:22,360 --> 00:14:28,200 thought that meadow was still the river, so you know, twenty twenty hindsight. 162 00:14:30,200 --> 00:14:33,440 Yeah, anyway, that was That's probably the best. And I don't 163 00:14:33,519 --> 00:14:41,120 own that. Uh, I don't own that thermal. I actually took it 164 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:45,559 on my thermal, but my thermal is an old thermal and it won't download 165 00:14:45,559 --> 00:14:50,840 anymore because it's outdated. So I really don't know what happened to that clip, 166 00:14:50,240 --> 00:14:56,840 but it's there. I want to make about the b f r O, 167 00:14:58,240 --> 00:15:03,679 there are if you go on the website, the BFRO dot net, 168 00:15:03,559 --> 00:15:07,919 you'll see the published You could look at it reports by area and you can 169 00:15:07,960 --> 00:15:13,200 look even in your county, wherever you are in Tennessee, Kentucky, whatever, 170 00:15:13,559 --> 00:15:18,519 you know, any of the forty eight contiguous states in Alaska, there's 171 00:15:18,600 --> 00:15:28,360 going to be a report and they're just there's a source from on for the 172 00:15:28,440 --> 00:15:35,240 investigators where we go and look where people call in and write in or type 173 00:15:35,279 --> 00:15:41,480 it in. I want to say probably ten percent of those reports that get 174 00:15:41,960 --> 00:15:46,759 reported from the public actually mackag to that website. So even though there's tons 175 00:15:46,840 --> 00:15:50,399 of them on the website, there are tons more that are have been investigated 176 00:15:50,440 --> 00:15:56,799 and either debunked or people haven't gotten to, or or they're just hidden enough 177 00:15:58,279 --> 00:16:03,159 time to, or they don't have resources to publish all of those reports out 178 00:16:03,200 --> 00:16:07,240 there. It's phenomenal. I want to say, I bet you there's at 179 00:16:07,360 --> 00:16:14,840 least thirty reports a day in nationwide bigfoot. Really. He just had a 180 00:16:14,960 --> 00:16:21,159 report in matt Moneymakers heading that up like twenty ish minutes from our house here, 181 00:16:21,919 --> 00:16:26,720 and it's in Red Mountain, in the Red Mountain area of our No, 182 00:16:26,960 --> 00:16:36,759 that's Virginia, right, it is. Yeah, that's amazing. Now, 183 00:16:36,960 --> 00:16:42,279 Is it true Jack that no you touched on the reports that you can 184 00:16:42,399 --> 00:16:48,159 go to the website and see per County. Is it true that there's also 185 00:16:48,440 --> 00:16:53,519 a section that isn't available to the public, that is encounters that's just there 186 00:16:53,559 --> 00:16:59,360 for y'all. Yeah, that's called it's kind of like a working file, 187 00:17:00,879 --> 00:17:06,359 and and they actually so like I can do a report, and I can 188 00:17:06,799 --> 00:17:08,960 do it all, and I can write it up, and it just doesn't 189 00:17:08,960 --> 00:17:12,920 get published. That is. That's what I'm saying. There's a lot more 190 00:17:12,960 --> 00:17:18,160 out there than than me said I just on the website. Okay, but 191 00:17:18,400 --> 00:17:22,039 it eventually will get published. Some of them will, some of them won't. 192 00:17:22,119 --> 00:17:26,799 I mean, there's there's not much staff at a the BF Road National. 193 00:17:30,200 --> 00:17:33,359 There's quite quite a few up there. That's hard to believe. And 194 00:17:33,440 --> 00:17:38,440 I mean it's it's amazing that there's so many coming in. And okay, 195 00:17:38,519 --> 00:17:42,720 and some of those that come in that we have to debunk is are obviously 196 00:17:42,880 --> 00:17:48,359 like school kids that are, you know, saying that a big fuck ran 197 00:17:48,440 --> 00:17:49,880 up to them and kissed them on them out, you know, stupid things. 198 00:17:52,160 --> 00:17:56,839 Defunked those, of course. But I want to say probably the most 199 00:17:56,960 --> 00:18:02,640 common bigfoot type of society is the one that crossed the road. I'm driving 200 00:18:02,720 --> 00:18:06,240 in the dark, one across the road in front of me. Yeah, 201 00:18:06,319 --> 00:18:08,960 why do you think there's anything to that? Jack? I was gonna ask 202 00:18:08,960 --> 00:18:11,079 you that anyway. Lets go ahead and get to it, do you, 203 00:18:11,799 --> 00:18:21,640 because my personal opinion is these things have been able to maintain being hidden for 204 00:18:22,200 --> 00:18:26,680 all these year, centuries gone, all this time without being seen. They're 205 00:18:26,759 --> 00:18:32,000 so good at it. But all of a sudden, you've got a car 206 00:18:32,200 --> 00:18:34,960 coming and they go stupid all of a sudden. I mean, how does 207 00:18:36,039 --> 00:18:38,200 that happen. It's like they wait till the last minute to run out. 208 00:18:38,680 --> 00:18:41,920 It's like they're playing chicken or something. Do you think there's anything to that. 209 00:18:42,039 --> 00:18:47,200 Why are there so many roadside sidings? I think there's roadsides. You 210 00:18:47,279 --> 00:18:52,920 know. It's funny because I've seen I mean, I'm trying to let me 211 00:18:52,200 --> 00:18:57,519 see if i can record this right. I've seen reports where people are in 212 00:18:57,640 --> 00:19:02,119 a camp or a deer stand in and it knows you're there, and it 213 00:19:02,240 --> 00:19:07,759 just walks by and doesn't care because they're like they're the boss of the woods. 214 00:19:08,559 --> 00:19:14,160 A lot of a lot of times, you know, as as they'll 215 00:19:14,240 --> 00:19:18,319 they'll stand still and as you drive by, and maybe they think that's that's 216 00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:23,519 good enough. I don't know. To go back to that other one though, 217 00:19:25,240 --> 00:19:30,119 a bigfoot in the dark. Even though they are in the dark, 218 00:19:30,839 --> 00:19:36,160 they still hide like it's high noon. So I don't know. And this 219 00:19:36,279 --> 00:19:38,640 is my opinion. I think they think that we can probably see as good 220 00:19:38,640 --> 00:19:41,640 as they can in the dark. You know, I've never thought about that, 221 00:19:41,720 --> 00:19:45,359 And that's that's a good point to make, Jake. I'll give you 222 00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:51,480 an example. Have you ever heard of the Mike Green photo in North Carolina? 223 00:19:51,680 --> 00:19:56,480 The outside of Tarlotte the candy bar, the candy bar, Yeah, 224 00:19:56,599 --> 00:20:02,559 yeah, I have, yeah, So he stay tuned for more Paranormal Odyssey 225 00:20:07,920 --> 00:20:11,960 you know Mike Green who passed away last year. He when he set that 226 00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:18,519 camera up inside of a tent and he had it on a stump and he 227 00:20:18,799 --> 00:20:25,160 put the candy bar on it, and he drove away and didn't come back 228 00:20:25,480 --> 00:20:29,839 until a long time later. So the camera was running, thermal camera was 229 00:20:29,920 --> 00:20:33,079 running in the back of a tent, so you couldn't you know, you 230 00:20:33,119 --> 00:20:41,759 couldn't likely see that the camera if you watched that video the Being of the 231 00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:48,039 Sasquatch, even though it's pitch black, it's creeping around and crawling on his 232 00:20:48,160 --> 00:20:52,799 belly and then crawls up and it reaches up and grabs a candy bar and 233 00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:59,920 comes back down, even though it's pitch black. Yeah, I've never even 234 00:21:00,359 --> 00:21:03,640 really thought about that. What would be the point is it? But I 235 00:21:03,759 --> 00:21:07,920 remember that video U They showed it on Finding Big Butt, and I've seen 236 00:21:07,960 --> 00:21:12,079 it a couple other places. Yeah. Yeah, We've got a couple of 237 00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:18,880 questions here for you. The first one comes from Troy. Troy asked our 238 00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:29,200 most reports from a single individual or a group of people through the reports that 239 00:21:29,319 --> 00:21:37,119 come in that come in are from a wide group, wide band of people. 240 00:21:37,279 --> 00:21:41,279 We've had, We've had people that were sheriffs. We've had people who 241 00:21:41,359 --> 00:21:45,319 are lawyers, We've had people who are campers, We've had teenagers. They're 242 00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:52,160 just all across the spectrum. And then we also have reports that people will 243 00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:56,680 call in like an emergency to the b f R, O and U and 244 00:21:56,799 --> 00:22:02,160 be really shaken up because something something's happened, and they'll like they will call 245 00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:07,720 an investigator to go out there real quick. Like I've had people in in 246 00:22:07,839 --> 00:22:11,480 the eastern Kentucky who've been like harassed to the point of being scared to go 247 00:22:11,519 --> 00:22:15,720 out to their car at night or to go to work in the next morning. 248 00:22:15,559 --> 00:22:21,079 And yeah, I had a guy in in eastern Kentucky. The had 249 00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:26,279 a he had a Saint Bernard and he was having uh, he was buying 250 00:22:26,319 --> 00:22:33,720 fifty pounds of dog food a week in his carboard and he was like he 251 00:22:34,799 --> 00:22:41,160 was he was knocking tomato steaks and suddenly there was some he was getting returned 252 00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:45,799 docks in the woods, and then rocks were coming and he was getting pelted 253 00:22:45,839 --> 00:22:49,160 with rocks as he's working out these garden. So I said, you know, 254 00:22:49,279 --> 00:22:53,400 what, do you have a game camera? He goes, yeah, 255 00:22:53,559 --> 00:22:57,000 but I'm using for deer season. I said, well, after deer season 256 00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:03,839 come down putting on your carpoard. And he did that and guess what, 257 00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:10,759 No, no more nighttime thiefs on his carpark. That's amazing, ain't it? 258 00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:15,440 Bigfoot? Do not they you? And never you rarely ever see a 259 00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:21,960 picture of a bigfoot on a game camp. As many game camps are out 260 00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:26,960 there, there should be thousands of pictures of bigfoot. Exactly. They stay 261 00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:33,279 away from I mean in itself, not trees down in front of them have 262 00:23:34,119 --> 00:23:38,160 gone around behind him and torn them off and thrown them down. I've had 263 00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:45,359 lots of those experiences with with people. We got another question for uh brum 264 00:23:45,559 --> 00:23:52,839 Adam O'Nan. What would you what would you consider essential equipment to bring on 265 00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:57,799 an expedition aside from normal camping gear. So when you're a new person going 266 00:23:57,839 --> 00:24:06,519 on on a expedition, uh, besides your regular camping gear and your rain 267 00:24:06,599 --> 00:24:11,039 gear and all that stuff. A red flashlight because there's somebody there's going to 268 00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:18,079 have a recorder like addictive, a small recorder. Somebody there's going to have 269 00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:25,440 that. Somebody's going to have hopefully thermals and they're coming down in price. 270 00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:29,039 I mean, if you can call five hundred dollars coming down. I mean, 271 00:24:29,079 --> 00:24:30,640 you can spend as much as you want to on on a thermal. 272 00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:38,119 Yeah, there's gonna be people out there with these these directional hearing things, 273 00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:41,519 you know, like you see on the side of the NFL shows, you 274 00:24:41,599 --> 00:24:47,359 know during games. That's that's all going to be there. So really what 275 00:24:47,519 --> 00:24:51,440 you need to bring is a just a good red headlamp that's fairly bright. 276 00:24:53,880 --> 00:25:00,119 And what was the thinking behind the red versus a regular light that you know? 277 00:25:00,319 --> 00:25:06,119 I so, as I kind of talked before, I was in the 278 00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:08,400 army for a long time and we did a lot of things at night, 279 00:25:08,759 --> 00:25:15,880 mostly at night, and before back in the late seventies and eighties, there 280 00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:22,240 wasn't any thermals that were small. Use red. It doesn't shine as far 281 00:25:22,839 --> 00:25:29,359 and it it preserved your your night vision. So if the theory is this 282 00:25:29,519 --> 00:25:33,160 guy has got these giant eyes that can have all these receptors and he can 283 00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:36,559 see in the fitst black, he can see you anyway, but it's really 284 00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:44,960 to help you to keep your night vision. Man. Yeah, I mean 285 00:25:45,039 --> 00:25:48,839 that that makes sense. I knew there was a reason for it. Is 286 00:25:48,039 --> 00:25:53,440 when I was on one on this expedition back this past year, they gave 287 00:25:53,519 --> 00:25:59,200 out red flashlights. That was one of the things that they gave out on 288 00:25:59,319 --> 00:26:03,279 the expedition, and so and I've been told before that that's all y'all really 289 00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:11,119 use. Yes, yeah, okay, do you have any other encounters on 290 00:26:11,519 --> 00:26:15,359 could You've been on so many expeditions and you've been to Ohio, Kentucky, 291 00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:21,720 Tennessee, West Virginia. Are there any other encounters that that stick out to 292 00:26:21,799 --> 00:26:27,920 you? Uh? Yeah, there's a Let me tell you about this one. 293 00:26:32,079 --> 00:26:34,559 We went on an expedition and once again we said, hey, we 294 00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:37,920 want to go to the remote you because because of all, you know what 295 00:26:38,079 --> 00:26:41,279 happened on the other one. Okay, we got this remote for you. 296 00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:47,720 So they took us on top of this mountain along the Tennessee North Carolina border. 297 00:26:47,839 --> 00:26:49,799 So you guys, if you're you guys, know that that's from really 298 00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:55,880 tall mountains, Like there's blue mountains a way up there. So they took 299 00:26:55,920 --> 00:27:00,359 us to the top of this mountain and you could see for like five minutes 300 00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:03,079 if my car is coming, because it's winding its way up the trail. 301 00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:15,279 So the guy leaves us there and we, uh as, excuse me a 302 00:27:15,319 --> 00:27:25,000 second, I need to shut the door you're fine, great question tonight, 303 00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:29,119 guys. I appreciate the uh, all the activity in the chat, so 304 00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:37,039 you'll keep them coming. Thanks. So anyway, we you know, smoky 305 00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:41,680 mountains, we collect our firewood. We started a fire, starting to rain. 306 00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:48,880 I just sat down and sat got settled in, and a probably from 307 00:27:49,079 --> 00:27:53,880 thirty feet away behind these trees, a five hundred pounds big bird made his 308 00:27:55,480 --> 00:28:07,599 present stone. And if I were to yell right now, it's and I 309 00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:14,880 didn't have my record on Oh no do that. I mean, we knew 310 00:28:15,039 --> 00:28:21,359 we're the only people out there, and something ginormous I mean screamed at us. 311 00:28:21,519 --> 00:28:25,680 I mean it. It was the only way I could describe it as 312 00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:34,359 a five hundred found big bird and uh. And we sat there. Fire 313 00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:37,640 start going low, and I told my friend, I said, hey, 314 00:28:38,799 --> 00:28:45,880 you're turning to go out and get the firewood. Life. I don't know 315 00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:48,079 why we just didn't get in the truck and leave that. At that point, 316 00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:52,839 you know, we're we're adventures and stupid, So no, we stay. 317 00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:59,759 So we're sitting there. Oh my gosh, it's starting to rain. 318 00:29:00,319 --> 00:29:03,960 So my buddy says, well, I'm going to bed. Okay, I'm 319 00:29:04,039 --> 00:29:07,240 going to bed too, So Uh. He went to his tent, a 320 00:29:07,319 --> 00:29:12,079 little backpacking tent, and I had a little a little like a little dumb 321 00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:18,160 tent. And I'm sitting there and I'm I've got a book and I'm reading 322 00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:22,799 my book. I'm laying down. You know, We've just been yelled at, 323 00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:27,960 like forty five minutes before the rain's coming down, and I'm I'm laying 324 00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:33,720 there and I feel wet on my elbow. I went, oh, geez, 325 00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:40,519 my tent sleeking. So I get on my hands and knees and I 326 00:29:41,279 --> 00:29:45,319 oh, I skipped the point. After we got yelled at. My friend 327 00:29:45,359 --> 00:29:48,519 went to the car and he picked out two pistols, one for me, 328 00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:55,400 one for probably shouldn't have been there, but anyway, so we were both 329 00:29:55,559 --> 00:30:03,160 armed, right, So craud, it's raining, I'm going to get soaked. 330 00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:04,839 So what do you do you. I got on my hands and knees, 331 00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:07,720 and I got my flashlight and I'm looking at the scene, trying to 332 00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:15,079 see where the leak is. And along the back of the tent, a 333 00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:26,400 finger pokes into the canvas and goes and yeah, it was like something with 334 00:30:26,559 --> 00:30:33,039 a finger ran along the back of my canvas, where my where my flashlight 335 00:30:33,279 --> 00:30:37,839 was, and I said, hey, because you know, I've got four 336 00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:44,319 kids, I know how to be a dad voice. And my friend, 337 00:30:44,519 --> 00:30:47,880 because you know my friend, he's he's kind of back me. He goes, 338 00:30:48,359 --> 00:30:53,000 Jack, are you okay? I said no, no, I'm not 339 00:30:53,160 --> 00:31:00,920 okay. I scared me and I said, hey, do you have any 340 00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:03,079 room in your tent? He goes, no, I don't have any room. 341 00:31:03,119 --> 00:31:12,920 It's a backpack a tent. I said, tough. Hey, I 342 00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:18,079 got and I wiggled in that tent. And so was you the big spoon 343 00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:32,920 a little spoon when you're trying to say alive, don't don't, don't go 344 00:31:33,079 --> 00:31:37,079 sit in the truck. That morning, I woke up. It was pre 345 00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:41,880 dawn. I got out the truck and I re examined my life and I'm 346 00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:49,839 like, what am I doing here? What? That's funny because you know 347 00:31:51,839 --> 00:31:56,359 I go on these things. You know, every chance that I get and 348 00:31:56,519 --> 00:32:00,640 Jack, every time that I'm out there looking for these things, there come 349 00:32:00,799 --> 00:32:04,480 Oh it never fails. There comes a point at some point in the night 350 00:32:04,559 --> 00:32:08,640 where I get spooked and I have that same come to Jesus meeting. Why 351 00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:15,240 do I do this? Why I keep putting myself in these positions where I'm 352 00:32:15,279 --> 00:32:19,680 out here terrified. Yeah, and then the morning comes in you're like, 353 00:32:19,759 --> 00:32:22,720 hell, yeah, you remember, you remember how cool that was last night. 354 00:32:23,799 --> 00:32:29,160 I'll never forget it, never forget the first I heard of barn owl, 355 00:32:29,359 --> 00:32:34,200 the who cooks for you? You know that that so have a call 356 00:32:34,599 --> 00:32:37,240 that's kind of like monkey chatter. I don't know if you look it up 357 00:32:37,319 --> 00:32:45,000 on Google. Barred our sounds and part of us is like that. And 358 00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:50,759 uh, I never forget me and me and the sky were in eastern Kentucky 359 00:32:50,839 --> 00:32:53,119 by ourselves on this trail at three in the morning, and the Pitt's black 360 00:32:53,279 --> 00:32:59,000 and that that owl went off, and on his recording you could hear my 361 00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:01,599 voice say, well, I think it's time to go back to the truck. 362 00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:08,279 But I you know, you learn this, you know when you get 363 00:33:08,279 --> 00:33:12,880 it, when you spend time out in the woods, you you learn what's 364 00:33:13,319 --> 00:33:22,799 you know, those are those code brown moments in your life. We'll get 365 00:33:22,839 --> 00:33:30,559 you my brown pants, right, and uh some other some other strange things 366 00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:38,319 like I've been scouting for expeditions and some like subtle things like we went out 367 00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:45,319 to this area that's supposed to be active too in the afternoon, stopped our 368 00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:52,400 car got out and as soon as we got out and started walking to the 369 00:33:52,440 --> 00:34:00,519 woods and now and now went that's weird too. And after then we walked 370 00:34:00,559 --> 00:34:05,640 around and kind of did our scouting picks and trails and stuff. And as 371 00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:07,039 we walked back out to the car, as soon as we got to the 372 00:34:07,119 --> 00:34:20,039 same spot, Now, what what's that all about? You knowing for you 373 00:34:20,159 --> 00:34:24,119 know, so this, you know, just strange stuff. You know, 374 00:34:24,199 --> 00:34:28,760 you really can't of credit at the big floot, but you're wondering, like, 375 00:34:29,559 --> 00:34:32,400 was there somebody watching us? That was you know, telling the other 376 00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:37,880 people you know they're here and now they're leaving, you know that kind of 377 00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:50,360 Yeah, Griffin Smart is asking what is your take on wood knock You had 378 00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:53,280 a pretty interesting experiment with WOODKNOCKX. If you want to tie that in there, 379 00:34:54,519 --> 00:35:01,719 I'll do that. Well, wood knocks are I believe, Griffin, 380 00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:10,840 Thank you for the question. There a form of communication and we have been 381 00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:20,039 around when you hear what not before something happens and then after something happens. 382 00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:30,760 I have I'll give you an example. We're in West Virginian near in the 383 00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:37,800 northeastern part of towards the Maryland border, and we had all these groups go 384 00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:45,079 out and this this this one group found a squash that was peaking at them 385 00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:52,119 from behind a tree and it was kind of there were eight people in the 386 00:35:52,159 --> 00:35:55,559 group that were all passing the turbo around. They didn't have a recording and 387 00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:00,760 so they had called for the expedition leader, Jones. He's a good guy 388 00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:05,639 from Charles, West Virginia, and he was when he walked up to the 389 00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:10,440 group to to check it out. As he walks, as he gets almost 390 00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:15,199 to the group, they're all looking say, they're all looking to the west, 391 00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:20,159 well to the east, and behind him on the hill, crack crack, 392 00:36:20,519 --> 00:36:27,960 wood knock as Russ came up. And then they looked back and the 393 00:36:28,079 --> 00:36:30,840 thing must have sunk down and crawled away because they never saw it again. 394 00:36:32,519 --> 00:36:36,679 So you know, this is a communication like, hey, there's another guy 395 00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:45,760 coming. We had We had an expedition in Kentucky that I ran where we 396 00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:51,960 had a group go out and you could hear we had a station with the 397 00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:55,159 big ear and the sky. As they were going down the trail, you 398 00:36:55,239 --> 00:37:01,199 could hear parallel woodknocks on the hills beside him, like like they're here, 399 00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:07,519 now, they're up here, now, they're up here, now there and 400 00:37:07,639 --> 00:37:13,239 we all got it on recording very faint, so just a way to communicate 401 00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:20,719 to each other and uh to kind of tie that back. We were trying 402 00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:22,000 to figure out, you know, I try to do a little bit of 403 00:37:22,079 --> 00:37:29,199 science. So we did an experiment in Kentucky and I had some some volunteers. 404 00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:35,079 We had a guy with two six knock together, a guy with a 405 00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:39,599 tree, and a guy with the like a drumstick that you used to practice 406 00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:45,960 your drum that still makes a noise. And then like somebody did the hand 407 00:37:46,039 --> 00:37:52,119 pop and we had people go out, you know, like a tenth of 408 00:37:52,199 --> 00:37:54,679 a mile, two tenths, three tenths all the way, and then we 409 00:37:54,880 --> 00:38:00,639 record which ones we could still hear in the furthest one away could hear was 410 00:38:02,679 --> 00:38:10,400 bottom line was a quarter mile and you can still hear wood knock. You 411 00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:15,679 know that's really valuable information. Yeah, yeah, because when when you hear 412 00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:19,719 a knock, it's pretty safe to say they're within a quarter of a mile 413 00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:23,000 of you, right right, And some of them, I mean, you 414 00:38:23,119 --> 00:38:28,559 say, it sound like they're right on top of you, But what do 415 00:38:28,679 --> 00:38:31,719 they do? I mean, if you and I were to go get a 416 00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:35,480 wood knock, we either have a littleville slugger with us, or we look 417 00:38:35,519 --> 00:38:37,559 around for a tree and look around for a big stick and do it. 418 00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:44,719 Do you think Bigfoot's walking around doing the same thing? Or you know, 419 00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:49,880 I've read where they can make a noise. They've got big hands, they've 420 00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:58,159 got big mouse to do. This is that a wood knock? You know? 421 00:38:59,119 --> 00:39:00,679 Yeah? I mean and you're you can hear that. It's pretty loud 422 00:39:00,679 --> 00:39:08,159 when you're doing it. Imagine enormous. And I've also heard about like an 423 00:39:08,199 --> 00:39:13,840 open hand slap on a tree instead of using a stick, using their hand 424 00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:16,960 on the side of a tree. I've heard that, but heard have it? 425 00:39:17,079 --> 00:39:22,079 Man, that's sting. I would think, yeah, you would think 426 00:39:22,119 --> 00:39:28,800 Troy's asking what about rock throwing? Have you you experienced that? Yes, 427 00:39:29,199 --> 00:39:34,079 I have had. I've had rock throwing, and I've had a couple of 428 00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:38,840 really good witnesses that had rock throwings that had surprise endings to rock throwing. 429 00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:49,239 Uh. For us, I've been camping along this creek in this relactive area 430 00:39:50,119 --> 00:39:57,599 and no cars around except for our vehicles. And you know the little pop 431 00:39:57,719 --> 00:40:00,360 ups that you have, you know, the little a little pop up for 432 00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:04,239 the little rain flies that you can put up and most people will cook on 433 00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:09,679 her and stuff. Mm hmm. Suddenly that thing goes and start shaking. 434 00:40:12,639 --> 00:40:22,320 Stay tuned for more paranormal odyssey. Like, what in the world was that? 435 00:40:22,159 --> 00:40:25,559 And walked over and there was a baseball sized rock had sailed into our 436 00:40:25,639 --> 00:40:32,559 camp like something had just thrown it into our camp. That was I mean, 437 00:40:32,639 --> 00:40:37,239 that was that will get your attention. Yeah, well, and that's 438 00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:40,599 kind of a follow up question that Troy had was their size of the rock. 439 00:40:40,679 --> 00:40:45,960 Do you believe that has any correlation with intention? Well, yeah, 440 00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:49,159 I think it wanted to. I wanted us to get the hell out of 441 00:40:49,199 --> 00:40:52,519 there, really, but we didn't. Yeah. I think that's what the 442 00:40:52,639 --> 00:40:55,239 rock throws are is a warning you need to be moving on. Yeah. 443 00:40:57,119 --> 00:41:00,320 Yeah. I had a guy report and you can see it on my if 444 00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:06,800 you go to Kentucky. I can't remember what county it was because I've got 445 00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:08,760 some money on there. But this guy was out hunting gen sing. He 446 00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:14,400 doesn't know what that is, you dig up the roots and everything. So 447 00:41:14,599 --> 00:41:19,760 his family was they're having a picnic and the kids were down there at Blueveald 448 00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:22,840 fishing and they're eating peanut butter sandwich, is having a good time. So 449 00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:27,000 he just wanders up the hill to look for gensing, and as he goes 450 00:41:27,079 --> 00:41:31,519 further and further up, he sees these pebbles are falling all around him. 451 00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:37,320 He's like, well, that's weird. Like in Kentucky it's woods and then 452 00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:42,840 sometimes at the top it's kind of like cliffs with boulders and stuff. Well, 453 00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:45,360 maybe something's up there kicking bolt, you know, kicking rocks down or 454 00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:51,360 something. And then he you know, he still works working his way up 455 00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:57,039 and as he gets towards the top of this hill, their crowds down like 456 00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:04,039 is a bigfoot and it's waiting for him, and it's it's got like a 457 00:42:04,199 --> 00:42:12,519 man face, but it's hairy all over and it's just like crouched over and 458 00:42:12,639 --> 00:42:15,880 he's there going, oh, he didn't see it till he was like right 459 00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:20,280 there with it, like twenty yards away. And he's like, I have 460 00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:22,599 a little bag for my gensen and a little pen knife to pick up and 461 00:42:24,199 --> 00:42:27,119 and I said, well, what did you do? Oh my gosh, 462 00:42:27,159 --> 00:42:30,599 what did you And he said, well, you ever like walked around the 463 00:42:30,599 --> 00:42:34,239 neighborhood and ran into a dog that was not on a leash. It was 464 00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:38,800 kind of like the same thing. He's like, okay, I'm not here. 465 00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:45,280 I'm just I'm just here visiting. Is well down and he's kind of 466 00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:49,159 back pedal and the thing has scored him all the way out of the woods, 467 00:42:50,199 --> 00:42:53,440 all the way down till he could see the bright area where that his 468 00:42:53,559 --> 00:42:58,119 kids were picnicking. And then he could as he's walking it was crunch, 469 00:42:58,199 --> 00:43:01,119 crunch, crunch, right behind him all the way down. It's forty all 470 00:43:01,159 --> 00:43:06,079 the way down. And he got out of the went to wist. Family 471 00:43:06,159 --> 00:43:09,360 said, oh gotta go, let's go wrong, Dad, what's wrong? 472 00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:14,840 I saw a bear up there? He never did. Yeah, he never 473 00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:17,360 told him what it was because he feeling a freak. His family out that 474 00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:28,199 there was a giant off the mountain. Now, Jackie, you talked about 475 00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:34,039 we just talked about the rock throwing. H I've been I've talked about it 476 00:43:34,119 --> 00:43:37,119 several times that I've had. In my time short time doing this, short 477 00:43:37,159 --> 00:43:43,559 compared to yours short time doing this, I've had I've experienced almost everything except 478 00:43:43,639 --> 00:43:47,280 for a couple. I believe one of those was the rock throwing. But 479 00:43:47,559 --> 00:43:52,239 I can confidently say now that I have had a rock thrown at me, 480 00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:55,480 but the other one, and I'm curious to see if you have experienced. 481 00:43:55,519 --> 00:44:00,679 This is the smell you always hear people talk about the smell. I have 482 00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:10,559 never smelled it, have you? Ah, I have smelled something in the 483 00:44:10,599 --> 00:44:17,760 woods, but I have I kind of can explain it. But no, 484 00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:22,719 I've never smelled that smell. I wanted to say. I'll be objective. 485 00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:27,400 I've never smelled that smell. Has smelled decay before. But I also found 486 00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:30,840 like a like a swampy area with a bunch of like an old sistern with 487 00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:34,920 a bunch of stuff in it. So that's what I attributed to. But 488 00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:42,039 no, I've never smelled Why I would hear that dead meat skunky smell. 489 00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:49,679 Yeah, I always like to ask that because I'd like to hear how everyone 490 00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:53,599 describes it, because you hear several different descriptions, and I don't know. 491 00:44:53,760 --> 00:45:00,480 I want to experience it. I'm looking forward to that and hopefully one day 492 00:45:00,079 --> 00:45:04,880 Yeah, well I'm looking forward to that class A. But we'll see exactly 493 00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:09,199 I am too. You don't catch them if you're sitting on the couch. 494 00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:14,800 There you go, There you go. I'll be at the uh the l 495 00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:19,039 b L this weekend. My buddy Troy and a couple others are going with 496 00:45:19,159 --> 00:45:22,360 this now. You you mentioned briefly that you've been to the LBL, anything 497 00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:27,320 of interest happened there. You know, I have been to the lb L 498 00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:32,800 and I haven't had anything personally that I know of. My son in law 499 00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:38,320 is from Murray and and they'll tell you that they've never nothing's ever happened to 500 00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:45,199 them. But you know, uh, we had. I don't know if 501 00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:47,719 you call it a funny story. We had. We had something happen. 502 00:45:50,199 --> 00:45:53,119 And this is line the clock way back to like two thousand and two thousand 503 00:45:53,159 --> 00:45:57,679 and one. I was camping with my family with these four kids, and 504 00:45:57,719 --> 00:46:01,320 I pop up. They have a they have a like a National park type 505 00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:06,960 campsite down there, and the kids and the wife they all of a sudden 506 00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:10,119 they wanted to go swimming, and I said, it's going to get dark 507 00:46:10,119 --> 00:46:14,760 before we get back. We really want to go, So okay, I 508 00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:17,599 relented, and we parked in this parking lot and walked on this trail and 509 00:46:17,679 --> 00:46:22,920 they found a little like a little inlet where swam, and then we got 510 00:46:23,039 --> 00:46:27,440 up and sure enough it was dark time we got back on the trail. 511 00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:31,920 No lights pre cell phone days, you can only see the trail because it's 512 00:46:32,519 --> 00:46:37,719 a lighter color than the woods, so there's a lighter gravel than the darker 513 00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:42,880 gravel. And I swear there was something that followed us out of those woods. 514 00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:49,079 Like I was trying to keep everybody calm because I had four little kids 515 00:46:49,679 --> 00:46:54,840 and my wife and me and I. She'll say it was her that she 516 00:46:55,039 --> 00:46:59,440 was the one that was in the back. Then I was kind of leading 517 00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:02,159 in the front, just trying to keep everybody pointed and get to the car. 518 00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:06,840 But there was something, you know, I don't know what it was. 519 00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:10,079 It could have been anything, but it felt like there was an animal 520 00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:14,039 like on the back of her neck. He could kind of feel that you're 521 00:47:14,079 --> 00:47:17,559 being watched and you're being followed out. And this is well before I even 522 00:47:17,639 --> 00:47:25,480 thought about Bigfoot. It's just one of those memories that I have. Yeah, 523 00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:30,519 I've experienced it too. Yeah, and I've taken a report from He'll 524 00:47:30,559 --> 00:47:35,079 be on the camp in a camping area where that a couple was there, 525 00:47:35,119 --> 00:47:40,119 and it was it's always like after a big weekend and the people that staved 526 00:47:40,199 --> 00:47:45,599 Monday and Tuesday, Hey, that's when you get all the firewood. Everybody 527 00:47:45,599 --> 00:47:47,800 else left, and you know it's not as crowded, but b and this 528 00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:52,880 has happened more than once in reports. That's when scavengers come down and look 529 00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:58,840 in the dumpsters and see what's left, and they've had more than one bigfoot. 530 00:48:01,719 --> 00:48:06,079 Those guys that stay on month till Monday and Tuesday. You know. 531 00:48:06,239 --> 00:48:09,880 Lorie Wade said the exact same thing. I interviewed her on here, and 532 00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:14,320 I think she talked about it at the expedition too, Like if you have 533 00:48:14,719 --> 00:48:19,440 an expedition that's supposed to be like Thursday, Friday, Saturday and Sunday, 534 00:48:20,039 --> 00:48:23,719 those of you that can stay that extra night and stay until Monday, you 535 00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:30,119 might have an encounter because everyone else leaves. Yeah. Yeah, it's like 536 00:48:30,199 --> 00:48:32,320 they know, okay, the campers are leaving their head. Now there's gonna 537 00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:38,880 be some food down here in the garbage can. So that's smart. That's 538 00:48:39,159 --> 00:48:46,400 yeah. That's we were talking earlier before the show about the lights of Scioto 539 00:48:46,559 --> 00:48:52,079 Lights, And that's why I was up there in Ohio and the Shawnee Forrest 540 00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:58,159 was to follow up on a report that this this family had stayed to like 541 00:48:58,280 --> 00:49:01,599 Tuesday and something and threw a log into their camp and they got up and 542 00:49:02,119 --> 00:49:06,599 they just left their campsite until it was daytime. They just got in a 543 00:49:06,599 --> 00:49:13,239 carn drove away. And yeah, so that's a good, good tip for 544 00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:20,800 all you guys listening to to do if you got to turn all right, 545 00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:22,800 we we got about five more minutes, jacket. If you got a short 546 00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:27,760 story you want to to share, or if not, we can go ahead 547 00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:30,000 and end it up to you. Bud. Well, I'll tell you one. 548 00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:39,400 I had a had this. This guy had had caught it had written 549 00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:44,280 into the the flats, which is where we go to pick up our stories. 550 00:49:44,519 --> 00:49:45,800 And the only thing he had written down was his name, his phone 551 00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:51,719 number, and his town, which was near Georgetown if you know that's near 552 00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:57,880 the they make the the toyotas you know up here in Kentucky. And I 553 00:49:57,920 --> 00:50:00,159 said, gosh, well that's only a half hour away from you. Let 554 00:50:00,159 --> 00:50:05,000 me just call him up there's He had no he didn't have any descriptions he'd 555 00:50:05,079 --> 00:50:07,960 have anything. So I just on a whim, I just called him and 556 00:50:09,159 --> 00:50:14,199 he said, I said, well, I'm Jack smart. I see where 557 00:50:14,199 --> 00:50:16,440 you started to report, but you didn't put anything down. And then he 558 00:50:16,639 --> 00:50:20,360 was hit the typical guy. He's like, well, first of all, 559 00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:23,760 I don't believe Bigfoot. Where's the body? Why have they ever got one? 560 00:50:23,840 --> 00:50:28,239 How come it's not on film? You know, all of the usual 561 00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:30,360 questions, which if you look on VIU Road out net, a lot of 562 00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:35,159 those are answered. He says, Okay, well, let me tell you 563 00:50:35,199 --> 00:50:43,519 what happened last Sunday. I was hunting squirrels, and I had my little 564 00:50:43,519 --> 00:50:49,679 beagle, Dole. And usually when I get out and my dad's farm and 565 00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:53,519 he, uh, he is retired, so he nobody really goes out there 566 00:50:53,519 --> 00:50:58,639 anymore. So he used to run cattle, but not anymore. So he 567 00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:04,400 gets he he's hunting, and usually his dog's real happy and he's running around, 568 00:51:04,559 --> 00:51:07,440 running around, And when he got out of the truck, the dog 569 00:51:07,599 --> 00:51:12,199 was real happy. Then suddenly the dogs on him. The dog never leaves 570 00:51:12,239 --> 00:51:17,760 his side the whole day. He is going through the woods and he thinks 571 00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:21,280 the acorns are falling around him, and he's like, well, that's weird. 572 00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:25,000 It's like, you know, this time of year, why are there 573 00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:30,440 acorns? And it turns out there were rocks. And it turns out that 574 00:51:30,679 --> 00:51:36,000 he was walking down going from one field to the next. He turns the 575 00:51:36,119 --> 00:51:43,880 corner and he comes face to face with an eight foot tall sasquatch like ten 576 00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:47,199 feet away. He popped around the corner. It is standing there and it's 577 00:51:47,239 --> 00:51:54,039 got one arm up holding a branch, looking at him, and the dog 578 00:51:54,280 --> 00:52:00,400 is like trying to crawl up his leg and get away. And he's like, 579 00:52:00,679 --> 00:52:01,280 oh my god. I said, well, what did you do? 580 00:52:01,559 --> 00:52:06,840 He said he had a he had a twelve good shot gun and he had 581 00:52:07,719 --> 00:52:10,480 you know, number six shot in it. And he says, I don't 582 00:52:10,559 --> 00:52:14,360 I don't think it would have done anything. It was four feet wide, 583 00:52:15,079 --> 00:52:19,119 you know. He saw the face, the ears, the eyes and nose, 584 00:52:19,800 --> 00:52:25,280 everything, and he it just it confronted him. And I said, 585 00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:30,760 well, what happened? He pointed at it with a shotgun and the thing 586 00:52:30,920 --> 00:52:36,519 just dove into some bushes and when it dove that way, he dove this 587 00:52:36,639 --> 00:52:39,079 way and ran back to his car as fast he could back to his truck. 588 00:52:39,639 --> 00:52:45,079 Oh my god. This was like Tuesday. I took this and I 589 00:52:45,119 --> 00:52:46,880 said, oh my gosh, let's hey, let's go. Let's go out 590 00:52:46,920 --> 00:52:51,800 there, let's go see walk and see and uh, okay, well let's 591 00:52:51,840 --> 00:52:53,639 go Saturday. I was all pumped, We're going to go up there Saturday. 592 00:52:54,159 --> 00:52:58,000 And he called me back. He said his dad. His dad didn't 593 00:52:58,000 --> 00:53:05,800 want anybody out there. That's how it always goes. Yeah, one quick 594 00:53:05,880 --> 00:53:08,159 question before we let you go. Jack Torrey's asking, what do you think 595 00:53:08,159 --> 00:53:16,840 about dog Man? Well, I will tell you this when I look at 596 00:53:17,079 --> 00:53:22,800 when I used to run expeditions in Kentucky and I talked about going to Land 597 00:53:22,840 --> 00:53:27,360 the Lakes, and I thought about it, and I said, Gosh, 598 00:53:27,480 --> 00:53:30,480 I think I want to go look look for something that's going to be shy 599 00:53:30,639 --> 00:53:36,079 and kind of stay away from me, and not something that's going to be 600 00:53:36,280 --> 00:53:39,440 mean and come at me. I'm going to give dog Man a chance. 601 00:53:40,199 --> 00:53:52,679 Yeah, probably good thinking. Jack. All right, well we are here 602 00:53:52,920 --> 00:53:55,760 at the hour mark. Ready, good stuff. I appreciate you coming to 603 00:53:55,840 --> 00:54:01,960 hang out. It's been fun. Yes, it's been very interesting. I've 604 00:54:01,960 --> 00:54:06,800 had several people comment that they they've learned a lot tonight. So yeah, 605 00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:10,559 this is awesome, very good. All right, buddy, Again, I 606 00:54:10,639 --> 00:54:14,880 appreciate it, and you enjoy the rest of your evening. Okay, yeah, 607 00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:22,199 bye bye bye. They say you don't gotta go home, but you 608 00:54:22,440 --> 00:54:55,559 can't stay. I don't want to be. We're all outing job, a 609 00:54:55,800 --> 00:55:05,719 job that chart everything can pride the joy for me to stay? Right? 610 00:55:07,199 --> 00:56:22,079 Can it run away? Suss games and stas Hess James sssss