WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.960 --> 00:00:10.480 Big Food and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo. These guys are your favorites, 2 00:00:10.880 --> 00:00:20.600 so like Shay, subscribe and rade it five stock and me question today listening 3 00:00:20.960 --> 00:00:30.120 watching lim always keep its watching And now you're hosts Cliff Barrickman and James Boobo 4 00:00:30.199 --> 00:00:34.240 Fay, Hey Bobo, what's up? Cliff? Just getting ready to do 5 00:00:34.240 --> 00:00:37.240 a podcast here? But lots and lots of stuff going on, in fact, 6 00:00:37.320 --> 00:00:40.560 so much stuff that for me, I usually fill you in like what's 7 00:00:40.600 --> 00:00:42.640 been going on this past week? But I got to do that in the 8 00:00:42.640 --> 00:00:46.200 members episode. It's going to take too much time. So oh damn, 9 00:00:46.399 --> 00:00:49.920 because he's yeah, great stuff going on all the time, all kinds of 10 00:00:49.920 --> 00:00:52.439 stuff and it fits into this segment. So it's bigger than that. That's 11 00:00:52.479 --> 00:00:54.799 a lot. Yeah, yeah, So anyway, I I'm going to tell 12 00:00:54.799 --> 00:00:57.479 you all about that stuff in the members episode, but because it's just too 13 00:00:57.560 --> 00:01:00.880 much stuff and we have a full episode this time anyway, So what about 14 00:01:00.920 --> 00:01:03.319 you? Man? What's going on? Just getting rid of Uh? They 15 00:01:03.319 --> 00:01:08.519 opened the gates up to Bluff yesterday, so I think I'll be heading up 16 00:01:08.519 --> 00:01:12.319 there tomorrow or the day after. Nice. Nice, you know, go 17 00:01:12.400 --> 00:01:15.239 up with those guys who keep finding prints on go road. Yeah, I 18 00:01:15.319 --> 00:01:19.000 might go up actually with Polly. Uh, we're gonna try to get up 19 00:01:19.000 --> 00:01:22.439 there and cut wood for a day, get some madrones split up, so 20 00:01:22.640 --> 00:01:26.599 start drying and uh yeah there was another day after that, so we'll see 21 00:01:26.640 --> 00:01:30.640 him down there hopefully. Excellent, excellent. Any chance of you going down 22 00:01:30.640 --> 00:01:34.000 into the valley or is just just going to go see on the sides? 23 00:01:34.040 --> 00:01:36.200 Oh, you know the film PAULI has never been to the film site. 24 00:01:36.200 --> 00:01:38.799 Someone take it to the film site? Fantastic? Are you going to go 25 00:01:38.840 --> 00:01:42.000 by Laus Camp? Oh? Yeah, yeah, for sure, so we'll 26 00:01:42.000 --> 00:01:46.200 probably camp in there, I imagine. Oh that's great, So you gotta 27 00:01:46.200 --> 00:01:49.040 spend a span. I'm really really interested on what it's like there. Hey, 28 00:01:49.040 --> 00:01:53.120 man, would you mind taking some pictures and stuff and sharing anybody get 29 00:01:53.120 --> 00:01:55.719 a chance, Just shoot me a couple of pictures, you know, Lared 30 00:01:55.760 --> 00:01:57.959 Meadow for example. I think that's gone at this point. Yeah, but 31 00:01:59.079 --> 00:02:01.000 I'm interested where the fire started and stopped. And like I said, I'm 32 00:02:01.079 --> 00:02:06.120 hoping to go out there maybe later that's like late summer, early fall and 33 00:02:06.359 --> 00:02:07.479 check it out for myself. But I'd like to know what I'm getting into. 34 00:02:08.000 --> 00:02:09.919 Yeah, yeah, for sure, I'm definitely gonna take a lot of 35 00:02:09.960 --> 00:02:13.560 pictures. All right. Well, you know again, I have so much 36 00:02:13.599 --> 00:02:15.400 to tell you, Bobs, I got to save it for the members stuff, 37 00:02:15.400 --> 00:02:16.719 and I don't mean to be a tease everybody who's listening who's not a 38 00:02:16.759 --> 00:02:20.919 member. Sorry about that, but you know, you could be a member 39 00:02:21.199 --> 00:02:23.120 if you wanted to be a member. It's five bucks a month. You 40 00:02:23.159 --> 00:02:27.000 get an extra hour every single week of Cliff and Bobo, and Matt pipes 41 00:02:27.039 --> 00:02:29.400 in a lot more than he does in the regular episode. So that's a 42 00:02:29.400 --> 00:02:32.879 pleasure there. And also probably the biggest pleasure of being a member is that 43 00:02:34.000 --> 00:02:38.240 you get this episode right now that you're listening to. The regular episode was 44 00:02:38.479 --> 00:02:42.680 zero commercials, zero commercials, so you don't have to worry about all, 45 00:02:42.840 --> 00:02:46.680 you know, whatever kind of crazy stuff your local advertisers are trying to sell 46 00:02:46.719 --> 00:02:52.759 to you. It's just zero commercials, pure pure Globo and Matt and nothing 47 00:02:52.800 --> 00:02:54.400 else, just all all the love we have to give. So maybe you 48 00:02:54.400 --> 00:02:57.719 should become a member. It's good for you, it's good for the soul 49 00:02:58.280 --> 00:03:02.560 Raiser IQ by fourteen point at least at least all right, Well, with 50 00:03:02.680 --> 00:03:05.960 having said all that, I think it's time that we get into our guests. 51 00:03:06.000 --> 00:03:07.520 And we've got a good one today. Okay, we let's go ahead 52 00:03:07.520 --> 00:03:12.319 and bring our guests on. And today our guest is bigfoot researcher Michael Cook 53 00:03:12.360 --> 00:03:15.560 from Central Kentucky. I met this guy, and well, I met him 54 00:03:15.599 --> 00:03:17.159 throughout the years, I guess, but he's been one of these familiar faces 55 00:03:17.159 --> 00:03:20.360 to me at the conferences and stuff. But I got to hang out with 56 00:03:20.439 --> 00:03:23.919 them a bit more at the Forest County, Pennsylvania Bigfoot Festival a few weeks 57 00:03:23.919 --> 00:03:25.560 ago. And he's a rad guy. And I mentioned it to Bobo and 58 00:03:25.560 --> 00:03:28.960 Matt and bobas we got to get that guy on. He's got a great 59 00:03:28.960 --> 00:03:30.120 story, and I go, shoot, I don't even know that I hung 60 00:03:30.120 --> 00:03:31.879 out with him for a whole weekend. I don't even know he had a 61 00:03:31.879 --> 00:03:36.199 great story. So I thought this was a great opportunity. It's not just 62 00:03:36.199 --> 00:03:38.639 a story. He recorded most of it. But he'll get into that. 63 00:03:38.680 --> 00:03:40.639 But it's actually on video too, because I've seen it on a TV show. 64 00:03:42.080 --> 00:03:44.120 Oh yeah, yeah, he's been on a couple he's been a travel 65 00:03:44.159 --> 00:03:46.199 channel. I think these woods are haunted or something like that. Yeah. 66 00:03:46.319 --> 00:03:51.080 Well, anyway, let's stop blabbing together and get Michel Michael on. Michael, 67 00:03:51.120 --> 00:03:53.280 you can come blab with us. Thanks so much for coming on. 68 00:03:53.759 --> 00:03:55.800 Well what's going on, guys? R just doing a podcast? What about 69 00:03:55.840 --> 00:04:00.919 you just hanging around? Yeah, well thanks for setting some time asight and 70 00:04:01.080 --> 00:04:04.319 coming on the show with us. We appreciate it. There's Michael. I 71 00:04:04.319 --> 00:04:06.919 can't even tell you, man, when I mentioned your name, Bobo flipped 72 00:04:06.919 --> 00:04:10.560 out like, I mean, we weren't in the same state even, but 73 00:04:10.639 --> 00:04:13.240 I could tell that he like stood up out of his chair and then like 74 00:04:13.280 --> 00:04:15.639 banged his fists on the table metaphorically and said that we had to have this 75 00:04:15.720 --> 00:04:18.399 guy on. So I don't know what you've done or what's in your in 76 00:04:18.439 --> 00:04:21.680 your background, man, but you got Bobo fired up. Well, I 77 00:04:21.720 --> 00:04:26.399 mean, you know, Bobo done miss solid several years ago at the Ohio 78 00:04:26.399 --> 00:04:31.959 Bigfoot Conference. Uh huge, probably the I mean even bigger than us Bigfoot 79 00:04:32.399 --> 00:04:41.160 enthusiast. My little friend Jovie her birthday and Bob send her center a personalized 80 00:04:41.680 --> 00:04:45.519 video wishner happy birthday, and it made that little girl's whole life, I 81 00:04:45.519 --> 00:04:47.959 guess because she still talks about it to this day. But yeah, no, 82 00:04:48.240 --> 00:04:54.040 I'm with everything going on research and stuff like that, and these these 83 00:04:54.079 --> 00:05:00.439 festivals and speaking events. It's just a vicious circle anymore. Well, if 84 00:05:00.480 --> 00:05:02.079 you want viciousness, you came to the right podcast. So thank you very 85 00:05:02.120 --> 00:05:06.000 much again for coming on. And So I guess I mean, I don't. 86 00:05:06.120 --> 00:05:09.240 I mean I hung out with you and stuff, but I don't know 87 00:05:09.279 --> 00:05:12.199 that much about you, and I'm certain that some of our listeners probably don't 88 00:05:12.199 --> 00:05:15.120 either. What can you tell us about yourself and your Bigfoot journey? Oh, 89 00:05:15.279 --> 00:05:21.399 it started twenty two years ago this October, and I had a wild, 90 00:05:21.879 --> 00:05:27.319 random encounter. I always tell people, especially during my presentations at these 91 00:05:27.319 --> 00:05:30.439 events, So tell people, you know, twenty two years ago and so 92 00:05:30.560 --> 00:05:34.639 many minutes before, I didn't believe in Bigfoot. Bigfoot did not exist to 93 00:05:34.720 --> 00:05:41.560 me. And then it literally fell out of myth and into reality on me. 94 00:05:42.399 --> 00:05:46.360 I was fishing on a river bank in eastern Kentucky and this whatever it 95 00:05:46.560 --> 00:05:50.879 was at the time, took a wrong step, trip, slipped, it 96 00:05:51.000 --> 00:05:56.519 done something off this ridge, and rode end over end until it hit the 97 00:05:56.600 --> 00:06:00.759 river in front of me, about fifty feet or so away. At first 98 00:06:00.759 --> 00:06:04.360 I thought it was a bear, obviously, you know, because let's go 99 00:06:04.480 --> 00:06:09.959 back then let's just transport ourselves back to that moment. Bigfoot didn't exist. 100 00:06:10.199 --> 00:06:13.839 There's no such thing. It's make believe. So I said, oh, 101 00:06:14.000 --> 00:06:17.639 there's that's a bear. And when it stood up, I really knew it 102 00:06:17.680 --> 00:06:23.600 wasn't a bear, but I was still trying to rationalize things. And it 103 00:06:23.680 --> 00:06:30.720 pulled itself upon the bank across from me and shook itself off and started to 104 00:06:30.759 --> 00:06:34.920 turn and walk away, and then it looked over its shoulder squared up with 105 00:06:35.000 --> 00:06:40.079 me, and we stood there for a moment of eye to eye contact. 106 00:06:40.279 --> 00:06:44.800 And one of the most distinctive things wasn't the size. It was around eight 107 00:06:44.839 --> 00:06:48.959 foot tall, maybe four hundred pounds, kind of straggly for you know, 108 00:06:49.000 --> 00:06:55.480 what people perceive a big foot would be. But it's hands, very human 109 00:06:55.639 --> 00:07:01.040 like hands, gestures that facial expressions on almost acted like it was embarrassed that 110 00:07:01.040 --> 00:07:05.000 it that it had actually fallen into the river in front of a human. 111 00:07:06.079 --> 00:07:12.160 So I was ready to run. I still couldn't run. I was trying 112 00:07:12.160 --> 00:07:15.160 to find fight or flight, and it bought its fist up and let out 113 00:07:15.199 --> 00:07:20.839 these just guttural screams toward me, and that's when I figured out how to 114 00:07:20.920 --> 00:07:25.800 run, and I ran to my car, got in, had full intentions 115 00:07:25.839 --> 00:07:28.920 of telling my parents when I got home. When I got home, I 116 00:07:28.920 --> 00:07:31.000 couldn't tell them because I thought they would tell me that I was crazy or 117 00:07:31.040 --> 00:07:35.959 I was lying seeing things and all this stuff. Were you in high school? 118 00:07:36.399 --> 00:07:39.879 I was? I was. I skipped school that day. That's what 119 00:07:39.920 --> 00:07:43.959 you get. That's what I get. Don't try to encourage because to skip 120 00:07:44.000 --> 00:07:46.439 school, Cliff, it's it's karma. Man, You played hooky stuff like 121 00:07:46.480 --> 00:07:49.120 this? In fact, didn't this happen to the Little Rascals one time? 122 00:07:49.160 --> 00:07:53.360 When they did? They played hooky and then did school. I think they 123 00:07:53.360 --> 00:07:56.600 went camping, and then a gorilla, the bite pedle gorilla started chasing them 124 00:07:56.600 --> 00:08:00.319 around. Isn't I wrong? On that? Sounds right? Sure, I'm 125 00:08:00.399 --> 00:08:01.399 right. I thought they were playing hooky that day. But I could be 126 00:08:01.439 --> 00:08:03.639 wrong about that, but I do. Yeah, anyway, I'll try to 127 00:08:03.639 --> 00:08:07.839 find that, verify that anyway. I'm sorry, Michael, like that. 128 00:08:07.000 --> 00:08:11.319 When Little Rascal was popping my head, I get distracted. I promised you, 129 00:08:11.439 --> 00:08:13.439 well, if you start calling me spanky at these events and stuff we're 130 00:08:13.480 --> 00:08:18.439 gonna I'll probably let you call me spanky. Why not? That's a badge 131 00:08:18.480 --> 00:08:24.480 of honor man. That's a badge of honor. So we get about a 132 00:08:24.560 --> 00:08:28.319 year later. I don't know how long later. This happened in October of 133 00:08:28.319 --> 00:08:31.480 two thousand and two, but about a year later, my dad and I 134 00:08:31.519 --> 00:08:37.919 were watching Unsolved Mysteries, and you know how they normally the normal show was 135 00:08:37.960 --> 00:08:43.440 about missing persons, unsolved murders, stuff like that. Every now and then 136 00:08:43.480 --> 00:08:50.120 they would have something like the Travis Walton case with the abduction. That particular 137 00:08:50.320 --> 00:08:54.039 night, they were talking about Bigfoot and how it is an unsolved mystery, 138 00:08:54.960 --> 00:08:58.440 and I look up. They were showing the Patterson gain Win film. I 139 00:08:58.440 --> 00:09:05.000 look up and Patty turns and looks over his shoulder, and my dad said, 140 00:09:05.039 --> 00:09:09.000 I just dropped all the color out of my face. And he immediately 141 00:09:09.039 --> 00:09:11.320 got worried. He said, someone's wrong. And I said, Dad, 142 00:09:11.360 --> 00:09:15.600 I don't know how to tell you this, but I saw one of these 143 00:09:15.600 --> 00:09:20.039 things. And he said when where you know? And I told him the 144 00:09:20.080 --> 00:09:22.840 story. The whole time I was talking, though, I realized my dad 145 00:09:22.960 --> 00:09:30.879 was like looking at me intently and not laughing, not brushing me off or 146 00:09:30.919 --> 00:09:33.679 telling me I'm lying. And I said, Dad, what do you know? 147 00:09:33.759 --> 00:09:37.559 And he said, well, Son, they're out there, and he 148 00:09:37.679 --> 00:09:41.879 goes into these accounts that he had heard over the years of wild men of 149 00:09:41.919 --> 00:09:48.639 the forest, feral people, so forth and so on, and it made 150 00:09:48.679 --> 00:09:54.000 me realize that I wasn't the only one. So I began my research journey 151 00:09:54.039 --> 00:09:58.279 then and tried to dive on into it. And now it's twenty two years 152 00:09:58.360 --> 00:10:03.879 later, I'm still out there in the woods doing my thing. That makes 153 00:10:03.919 --> 00:10:05.559 you part of the older generation? Now, man, how do you feel 154 00:10:05.559 --> 00:10:09.600 about that? I do feel like an old man sometimes, especially at these 155 00:10:09.879 --> 00:10:13.720 do you feel that way? I mean, you do these conferences and these 156 00:10:13.759 --> 00:10:16.200 events too, and you have these kids come up to you and you just 157 00:10:16.240 --> 00:10:20.159 look at them, like, go go to the playground, go go somewhere. 158 00:10:22.840 --> 00:10:26.960 Yeah. You know, I hear quote unquote experts that have been doing 159 00:10:26.960 --> 00:10:31.600 her for you know, five years. I know, I'm thirty years in. 160 00:10:31.679 --> 00:10:33.679 I don't know anything, man, I'm no experts. That's a weekend, 161 00:10:35.519 --> 00:10:37.480 Yeah, one sighting the next day, they know at all. I 162 00:10:37.759 --> 00:10:41.919 wanted to bring us back to before we lose sight of the sighting that you 163 00:10:41.960 --> 00:10:45.519 just shared with us. Of course, so it fumbled and rolled down the 164 00:10:45.600 --> 00:10:48.039 hill. Is that we're into the creek? Is that we're how far away 165 00:10:48.120 --> 00:10:52.639 was it from you? It landed about fifty feet from me, just up 166 00:10:52.679 --> 00:10:56.000 the river. I mean it was straight in front of me. So I'm 167 00:10:56.039 --> 00:10:58.240 standing at the river bank and it was, you know, to my left. 168 00:11:00.080 --> 00:11:03.840 But for probably twenty or thirty minutes before this happened, I kept on 169 00:11:03.879 --> 00:11:07.519 hearing something shuffle around the ridge across from me, which was across the river, 170 00:11:07.879 --> 00:11:11.960 and I thought it was squirrels, maybe a deer. You know, 171 00:11:11.240 --> 00:11:16.320 we had just released elk in this area, back in this area from years 172 00:11:16.360 --> 00:11:20.320 of them not being here, and I thought, well, maybe it's an 173 00:11:20.320 --> 00:11:26.240 elk. And the ridge I've been there several times over the years. You 174 00:11:26.240 --> 00:11:35.440 can imagine it's very very hard to transverse. It's very hard to stand on. 175 00:11:35.360 --> 00:11:41.120 So I'm thinking this thing probably lost its footing. I mean, I 176 00:11:41.159 --> 00:11:43.519 don't mean to bring the woo or anything like that into it, but that's 177 00:11:43.559 --> 00:11:48.519 where I have a problem with some of this, where people are like, 178 00:11:48.559 --> 00:11:52.440 oh, these are supernatural beings. They can do this, they can do 179 00:11:52.480 --> 00:11:58.879 that, they can stop the space time continuum and step into a different universe. 180 00:12:00.000 --> 00:12:05.519 Okay, that's once slipped off a ridge and landed in a river in 181 00:12:05.600 --> 00:12:11.120 front of me. And if I possess those abilities, there's no way I 182 00:12:11.159 --> 00:12:16.440 would stumble off ridge. Paranal doesn't mean perfect high was the ridge? How 183 00:12:16.480 --> 00:12:20.320 high was the ridge? Very steep? It's very steep. It's a steep 184 00:12:20.399 --> 00:12:26.840 terrain like iron roll like forty feet down or thirty feet or oh we've ever 185 00:12:26.879 --> 00:12:31.320 been of forty Yeah, I've heard of them, like when they roll like 186 00:12:31.360 --> 00:12:33.559 how humans like if we like, if we fall out, how we start 187 00:12:33.600 --> 00:12:35.759 rolling, we like, you know, try to spread out, like like 188 00:12:35.799 --> 00:12:39.080 spread our arms and legs out whenever. When I've heard people talk to like 189 00:12:39.120 --> 00:12:41.759 that, say they see him come down cliffs like that slip and fall that 190 00:12:41.879 --> 00:12:46.840 they ball up and rolled down like a ball faster like that. Is that 191 00:12:46.879 --> 00:12:50.279 what it did? Holy crap, that's exactly what it did. So when 192 00:12:50.279 --> 00:12:56.000 it rolled off into the river, that's what I saw was a ball of 193 00:12:56.360 --> 00:13:03.399 just this dark reddish brown, very dark around uh fir hit the water. 194 00:13:03.000 --> 00:13:07.799 That's what made me think, Oh, it's a bear. So yeah, 195 00:13:07.480 --> 00:13:11.600 when you said that, that's exactly how I describe it, like at these 196 00:13:11.600 --> 00:13:16.639 events, it balled up into a ball. I've heard I believe from bear 197 00:13:16.679 --> 00:13:20.320 hunters that that's a bear behavior as well, that when they're stressed out and 198 00:13:20.360 --> 00:13:24.080 like they're really under the gun, no pun intended. They they'll roll downhill 199 00:13:24.200 --> 00:13:26.320 to escaping area quickly. Have you Am I wrong about that? Is this? 200 00:13:26.399 --> 00:13:28.879 Am I making this up? You get a few minutes, you get 201 00:13:28.879 --> 00:13:33.720 bored, you want a good laugh, Look up TikTok or YouTube or something 202 00:13:33.200 --> 00:13:39.039 bears rolling down a hill, and that's exactly what they do. They panda 203 00:13:39.080 --> 00:13:45.039 bears. They will they will ball up into almost a perfect sphere and roll. 204 00:13:45.600 --> 00:13:48.440 It's it's wild to see these creatures do that. Now, you you 205 00:13:48.480 --> 00:13:52.480 commented on the creature's hands. What stood out to you about the hands because 206 00:13:52.480 --> 00:13:56.240 you just kind of you mentioned it briefly, but you didn't go into details. 207 00:13:56.279 --> 00:13:58.879 Don't want to hear about I want to hear about those. They were 208 00:13:58.000 --> 00:14:03.320 huge, they were, but they were five fingered like herrors, a posable 209 00:14:03.320 --> 00:14:07.919 thumb and everything. That's what stood out to me the most, even though 210 00:14:07.080 --> 00:14:11.600 the sheer size, the magnitude that this creature is not make believe. This 211 00:14:11.679 --> 00:14:16.559 is this is standing in front of me right now. Its hands. It 212 00:14:16.679 --> 00:14:22.039 had dexterous hands. And while it was when it was drying well, I 213 00:14:22.080 --> 00:14:28.840 say, drying itself off, it's hard to describe this, but it was 214 00:14:28.879 --> 00:14:33.679 taking its hands and it was pushing the water downwards off its fur, and 215 00:14:33.679 --> 00:14:37.960 then the fur the hair that was hanging off its elbows. It was doing 216 00:14:37.000 --> 00:14:41.960 like a ringing motion like you would ring a washcloth out, and it would 217 00:14:43.000 --> 00:14:48.559 ring the water off switch sides, wring the water off that side, and 218 00:14:48.600 --> 00:14:54.759 then on its chest. It was pushing the water from the top of the 219 00:14:54.840 --> 00:14:58.919 chest all the way down and it was pushing the water off like it was 220 00:14:58.000 --> 00:15:03.639 drying itself off. An intelligent behavior. The way it was used in its 221 00:15:03.639 --> 00:15:05.799 hands is what I was what I was trying to convey. But yeah, 222 00:15:07.399 --> 00:15:13.159 I believe that's the same emotion that you're describing that we had described to us 223 00:15:13.200 --> 00:15:16.879 by that Elk hunter a few weeks ago in episode two sixty. He saw 224 00:15:16.919 --> 00:15:20.320 the thing, and I think he saw that like it was like pushing, 225 00:15:20.440 --> 00:15:22.360 like he said, drying himself off kind of with his hands and like pushing 226 00:15:22.399 --> 00:15:26.720 the water down. Bobo, Am I right remembering this? Yeah, Yeah, 227 00:15:26.919 --> 00:15:31.639 it seems to me that you're describing the same behavior but a different location 228 00:15:31.720 --> 00:15:35.799 in the state and all that other stuff. So that's interesting. Stay tuned 229 00:15:35.840 --> 00:15:39.000 for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo will be right back after these 230 00:15:39.000 --> 00:15:50.840 messages. So that was your first incident with a sasquatch as your wake up 231 00:15:50.879 --> 00:15:52.919 call. Shall we say, My god, what a crazy wake up call 232 00:15:52.919 --> 00:15:58.200 that is. But from there you started researching. So bring us back to 233 00:15:58.240 --> 00:16:00.200 then, because that was a while ago. That was, you know, 234 00:16:00.320 --> 00:16:06.000 twenty over twenty years ago. Now what did research look like to you in 235 00:16:06.080 --> 00:16:11.120 those very very early days of your bigfooting career. Well, I would say 236 00:16:11.120 --> 00:16:14.159 that I would I would think that it would look the same as it did 237 00:16:14.159 --> 00:16:19.159 to you. A lot of pen and paper stuff, notebooks, trying to 238 00:16:19.159 --> 00:16:25.000 get people to talk. I put an ad in a local paper and I 239 00:16:25.039 --> 00:16:30.720 said, has anyone had any strange encounters that they cannot explain in the woods, 240 00:16:30.960 --> 00:16:36.519 so forth and so on. We'll meet it the Harlan County Library this 241 00:16:36.759 --> 00:16:41.000 day. So I reserved the library conference hall and there was a handful of 242 00:16:41.080 --> 00:16:45.440 people showed up. Of course, a lot of them were paranormal stuff. 243 00:16:45.480 --> 00:16:49.480 I saw a ghost or something like that, And I'm like, okay, 244 00:16:49.519 --> 00:16:53.919 cool, I know people now that you can go to and talk about that. 245 00:16:55.000 --> 00:16:57.240 I'm not that guy. I want to know if you've seen something that 246 00:16:57.279 --> 00:17:03.039 you would think is a bigfoot, but getting people to talk back in those 247 00:17:03.120 --> 00:17:07.279 days, and you know, we didn't have at the conferences and the festivals 248 00:17:07.319 --> 00:17:11.759 and all this going on like we do now. So you can throw a 249 00:17:11.880 --> 00:17:17.400 rock at most of these conferences and hit somebody that's had a big foot encounter. 250 00:17:17.920 --> 00:17:21.519 And unfortunately you can throw a rock and hit somebody that's just there to 251 00:17:21.640 --> 00:17:26.920 make fun of us. But but it was, it was very archaic back 252 00:17:26.960 --> 00:17:29.799 then. You know, well, I'm gonna write this down. I'll go 253 00:17:29.839 --> 00:17:34.000 home, pull out my big computer and type it up on a report and 254 00:17:34.720 --> 00:17:37.839 put file it away. Print it out and file it away. I've got 255 00:17:38.720 --> 00:17:44.400 I've got a couple of hundred not class A visual encounters, but I've got 256 00:17:44.400 --> 00:17:49.319 a couple of hundred encounters that I've taken over the years before the mainstream way 257 00:17:49.359 --> 00:17:53.359 of taking reports and stuff. But I'm not a very big report taker anymore. 258 00:17:53.880 --> 00:17:59.039 I'll listen to them. I love hearing bigfoot encounters that do. But 259 00:17:59.839 --> 00:18:03.720 I'm in it to research for myself now, and I like getting out in 260 00:18:03.720 --> 00:18:08.799 the woods and doing it. If I hear of a report that happened fifty 261 00:18:08.880 --> 00:18:12.160 years ago, I can't go back to that same place and see the evidence 262 00:18:12.200 --> 00:18:17.079 that I left behind. So, and that was another thing. Some people 263 00:18:17.079 --> 00:18:22.000 would have encounters back then, and it would be a week, two weeks, 264 00:18:22.039 --> 00:18:25.599 three weeks afterwards, and by the time they'd get to me, it'd 265 00:18:25.680 --> 00:18:30.799 rain or snow or do something, and all the evidence that could have been 266 00:18:30.839 --> 00:18:34.799 there had probably been washed away by then. So do you have a goal 267 00:18:34.880 --> 00:18:38.200 with your researchers, it's just something that you like to do. I'd like 268 00:18:38.279 --> 00:18:44.839 to know exactly what these creatures are. My goal is to find out what 269 00:18:44.880 --> 00:18:51.200 these creatures are, do everything in my power to protect them. And I 270 00:18:51.240 --> 00:18:55.839 think they are very special creatures. I think they're just as important as every 271 00:18:55.839 --> 00:18:59.440 other animal on this earth, if not more important, because I do truly 272 00:18:59.440 --> 00:19:03.240 believe they are closest, the closest thing to humanity that you could get, 273 00:19:04.279 --> 00:19:11.160 and I think they hold secrets that we could learn from. They've survived this 274 00:19:11.319 --> 00:19:18.480 long without quote unquote proof. They've been spotted on every continent on this Earth, 275 00:19:18.920 --> 00:19:23.400 with the exception of Antarctica. And I would like for mostly though the 276 00:19:23.440 --> 00:19:29.119 protection of these creatures, but the protection of the people that have witnessed them. 277 00:19:29.640 --> 00:19:34.400 What would you be protecting them from ridicule? Being called crazy? Being 278 00:19:34.839 --> 00:19:42.000 to self doubt. I know a god dear friend of mine who used to 279 00:19:42.079 --> 00:19:48.200 research and now he's just like you know, years later, and his encounter 280 00:19:48.240 --> 00:19:51.960 happened forty years ago. Years later, he looks at me now and says, 281 00:19:52.000 --> 00:19:56.519 you know, maybe I did see something, maybe I was seeing things. 282 00:19:56.119 --> 00:20:00.039 And I say, you know, John, no, listen, you've 283 00:20:00.079 --> 00:20:04.400 told me the story. You actually saw something. I wasn't there, but 284 00:20:04.480 --> 00:20:10.920 you saw something. You wouldn't just seeing things. And you wouldn't have spent 285 00:20:11.039 --> 00:20:17.079 over half your life looking for this stuff if if it was just that. 286 00:20:18.279 --> 00:20:22.640 And you know, but people have put so much self doubt in his brain 287 00:20:22.319 --> 00:20:29.119 that it's made him believe that maybe maybe I was just seeing things that day, 288 00:20:29.240 --> 00:20:33.720 or maybe it was a limb moved. And his story wasn't limb moved. 289 00:20:33.000 --> 00:20:37.880 It was it was an actual bigfoot walking across the field in front of 290 00:20:37.000 --> 00:20:41.720 him when he was when he was about twenty years old. And you know, 291 00:20:41.759 --> 00:20:48.319 but people are the worst enemy to humans that's ever been. These creatures 292 00:20:48.319 --> 00:20:52.920 are not I don't think, in my opinion, are not dangerous, but 293 00:20:52.400 --> 00:20:57.920 humans are. Humans kill humans every day. Humans will will drive each other 294 00:20:59.039 --> 00:21:03.599 down. And that's just like the Bigfoot community some of the worst critics on 295 00:21:03.640 --> 00:21:08.440 this earth is in the bigfoot community and having friends in the paranormal community. 296 00:21:08.519 --> 00:21:14.359 I mean it's hand in hand, you know. So if you're not there 297 00:21:14.519 --> 00:21:18.160 seeing something with your own two eyes, you cannot say that that person didn't 298 00:21:18.160 --> 00:21:19.799 see it. You can say I have a hard time leiaving that, but 299 00:21:21.880 --> 00:21:25.720 at the end of the day, I wasn't there. You're a real researcher, 300 00:21:26.079 --> 00:21:29.839 Mike Michael, what uh what have you What have you discovered? Like 301 00:21:30.279 --> 00:21:32.559 what have you learned that you can say I know this about them? Like 302 00:21:32.799 --> 00:21:34.480 they go here at certain times you really go eat this thing? Is this 303 00:21:34.559 --> 00:21:37.240 time of year I find scot like this or you know what I mean? 304 00:21:37.240 --> 00:21:41.880 Like, what have you learned like patterns or things you'd recognize? Or here 305 00:21:41.880 --> 00:21:45.920 in Kentucky, I see that they there's a the sidings are scarce in the 306 00:21:45.960 --> 00:21:52.039 summer. I think they move underground here. You you very rarely hear of 307 00:21:52.119 --> 00:21:56.640 a footprint or anything like that found too during the summer. So that tells 308 00:21:56.680 --> 00:22:00.920 me then that they are going deep in the woods, deep deep deep in 309 00:22:00.960 --> 00:22:04.640 the woods where people don't go, or they're going underground. So you all 310 00:22:04.640 --> 00:22:10.039 know as well as I do and everybody listening to this that Kentucky is riddled 311 00:22:10.039 --> 00:22:14.319 with cave systems. The Mammoth Cave system stretches from the western part of the 312 00:22:14.359 --> 00:22:17.759 state all the way to the eastern part of the state, and they're mostly 313 00:22:17.799 --> 00:22:22.799 all connected. So the caves tend to stay around sixty five degrees a year 314 00:22:22.920 --> 00:22:27.839 round. That's a constant climate. Maybe send maybe send one or two out 315 00:22:27.880 --> 00:22:33.400 at night to grab some food, you know, and head back underground in 316 00:22:33.440 --> 00:22:37.559 the daytime. But they start amping back up toward the end of July, 317 00:22:37.920 --> 00:22:41.359 going into the dog days of summer. I think that has to do with 318 00:22:41.440 --> 00:22:48.279 the bury harvests. We have blackberries and all kinds of wild berries that pop 319 00:22:48.359 --> 00:22:53.160 up during that time across the United States. And I'm with surmised to say 320 00:22:53.200 --> 00:22:59.480 that even the western part of the United States probably has an influx of sightings 321 00:22:59.559 --> 00:23:04.759 during that In my particular research area, the one that we were talking about 322 00:23:04.799 --> 00:23:12.160 earlier, that Bobo knows about, there were mainly juveniles there, and I 323 00:23:12.400 --> 00:23:18.079 could not tell you all why. I still wonder that to this day why 324 00:23:18.119 --> 00:23:21.839 there were so many juveniles there. And this is location where you had your 325 00:23:21.839 --> 00:23:25.599 initial sighting. This is a location where I had the big sighting in two 326 00:23:25.599 --> 00:23:29.200 thousand and eight. Yeah, the gnarly one. Oh, that wasn't the 327 00:23:29.359 --> 00:23:32.960 two thousand and two, wasn't then early one? No? Oh, So 328 00:23:33.000 --> 00:23:34.160 you still have something to share with this. Okay, I'll let you finish 329 00:23:34.200 --> 00:23:37.599 your thought, But then I want to hear about that, please. So 330 00:23:37.759 --> 00:23:42.440 another researcher and I went into this area in twenty fourteen, and we saw 331 00:23:42.480 --> 00:23:48.720 an old BFRO report back from way back when, and I said, you 332 00:23:48.799 --> 00:23:51.480 know what, it's worth it, Let's go in here. Let's see what's 333 00:23:51.519 --> 00:23:56.160 going on. It's a crazy hoke. It's it's nine miles if you do 334 00:23:56.240 --> 00:24:00.440 the whole thing, but it's worth it if you go up and you see 335 00:24:00.440 --> 00:24:06.440 the lookout and stuff. But we had a couple of weird things. So 336 00:24:06.519 --> 00:24:12.519 in twenty fourteen, nothing happened any Probably any other researcher out there would have 337 00:24:12.559 --> 00:24:18.160 been like, this place is dead, this place nothing's here and moved on. 338 00:24:18.599 --> 00:24:22.359 But we were persistent. We went in there. We felt like this 339 00:24:22.440 --> 00:24:30.960 was a squatchy area. So move up to November of twenty sixteen, and 340 00:24:30.039 --> 00:24:34.920 I can't explain this, So I don't know how to explain this. We 341 00:24:34.920 --> 00:24:41.359 were walking across the ridge the main top ridge at night, and ahead of 342 00:24:41.480 --> 00:24:47.920 us there was this light and it looked like a headlamp like you would wear 343 00:24:47.920 --> 00:24:52.200 on your head, but it was a brilliant blue color, about the size 344 00:24:52.279 --> 00:24:59.960 of a baseball. And my colleague and I we said, you know, 345 00:25:00.000 --> 00:25:02.160 I wonder who that is. And I said, I don't know. Nobody's 346 00:25:02.200 --> 00:25:04.599 crazy enough to be up here at night but us. So we walked toward 347 00:25:04.680 --> 00:25:07.079 it. Usaid, when I get up here, I want to tell this 348 00:25:07.160 --> 00:25:08.200 guy, I want to know where he got his lot at because it was 349 00:25:08.279 --> 00:25:14.839 lighted up the whole forest. And we got probably fifty sixty feet away from 350 00:25:14.839 --> 00:25:19.000 it, and it raised up in the sky and it got real bright right 351 00:25:19.039 --> 00:25:23.240 above the tree line, and it burst in this flash, no sound, 352 00:25:23.319 --> 00:25:29.960 no nothing, and we were frozen where we were standing. And I leaned 353 00:25:30.000 --> 00:25:32.720 over. I said, you saw what I saw, correct, And he 354 00:25:32.799 --> 00:25:37.400 said I did. And we're standing there talking about it, and from out 355 00:25:37.480 --> 00:25:44.200 of nowhere, this rock about the size of a football comes flying over our 356 00:25:44.240 --> 00:25:48.720 heads and bounces off trees going down the ridge, and it was followed by 357 00:25:49.359 --> 00:25:55.960 what sounded like really low grunts. So we both high tailed it out there. 358 00:25:56.480 --> 00:26:00.759 It was obvious that we did not belong there. They didn't want us 359 00:26:00.799 --> 00:26:06.240 there. Whatever it was, they didn't want us there. So we went 360 00:26:06.319 --> 00:26:11.319 back December, January, February, March, April, May, all twenty 361 00:26:11.400 --> 00:26:17.920 seventeen. Nothing happened again. Normal researchers would have probably said screw this, 362 00:26:18.480 --> 00:26:22.759 we're going home and left it. But I was dating this girl at the 363 00:26:22.799 --> 00:26:30.839 time in twenty eighteen, and she wanted to go squatching, and our friend 364 00:26:30.039 --> 00:26:36.559 Kenny wanted to go squatching too, And I said, I was already researching 365 00:26:36.559 --> 00:26:40.920 over into Daniel Boone. We had a very good research area over there, 366 00:26:41.519 --> 00:26:45.079 and I said, I'm going to take them to this other area, you 367 00:26:45.119 --> 00:26:48.200 know, and show them more. The rock got thrown at us. We're 368 00:26:48.200 --> 00:26:52.079 not going to go into a very active place. So we go in there 369 00:26:52.440 --> 00:26:55.799 that night or that evening. We went in about three o'clock in the evening 370 00:26:56.640 --> 00:27:00.960 October sixth, twenty eighteen, and as soon as we entered the forest, 371 00:27:02.480 --> 00:27:07.799 my phone died completely. It was on charge in the car we go in. 372 00:27:07.400 --> 00:27:11.640 I felt it vibrate and I looked at it, thought it was somebody 373 00:27:11.640 --> 00:27:15.519 calling me, look at it and it was dying. Her phone dies, 374 00:27:15.240 --> 00:27:18.680 Kenny's phone dies. I said, this is weird. You know, it 375 00:27:18.839 --> 00:27:23.079 is strange. This is just a strange area. It's you know, probably 376 00:27:23.079 --> 00:27:27.680 some hooky pooky supernatural stuff going on. It's not Bigfoot related, but whatever. 377 00:27:27.799 --> 00:27:33.920 Because this place is adjacent to a battlefield, so there's probably some residual 378 00:27:33.960 --> 00:27:37.319 stuff going on there. And you know, I'm not a paranormal researcher, 379 00:27:37.359 --> 00:27:44.119 so I don't know. But we get up there. I show them where 380 00:27:44.119 --> 00:27:45.960 the rock got thrown at us, and we went up to the lookout and 381 00:27:47.000 --> 00:27:49.559 you can see everything from the lookout. You can see it's where the mountains 382 00:27:49.599 --> 00:27:53.920 meet the bluegrass of Kentucky. So we're sitting there watching the sunset, and 383 00:27:53.960 --> 00:27:59.160 it dawned on me that the sun is setting. It gets dark really quick 384 00:27:59.240 --> 00:28:03.200 here. We need to get out of here because we didn't bring any flashlights 385 00:28:03.240 --> 00:28:07.559 with us. I had no intentions of being there after dark, and we 386 00:28:07.640 --> 00:28:11.640 made our way out. Kenny came to the rescue with a couple of little 387 00:28:11.680 --> 00:28:15.200 flashlights. You know, the keychain flashlights you buy Walmart has a little button 388 00:28:15.200 --> 00:28:19.599 you have to push and hold. That's what we were working with. So 389 00:28:19.640 --> 00:28:26.039 we get down about halfway down the mountain, down the trail, and there's 390 00:28:26.079 --> 00:28:30.640 this rock formation you have to climb down. And we climbed down it and 391 00:28:30.680 --> 00:28:36.839 I was helping my girlfriend get off the rock and I heard something up on 392 00:28:36.880 --> 00:28:41.200 the hill above us, and I stopped and I thought for a second. 393 00:28:41.240 --> 00:28:45.640 I said, that sounded like footsteps, and I just played it off with 394 00:28:45.839 --> 00:28:49.240 Kenny. Kenny hears it and he freaks out, what was that? And 395 00:28:49.279 --> 00:28:52.960 I said, I don't know what you're talking about. I played it off 396 00:28:52.000 --> 00:28:56.640 because I didn't want to freak any anybody out. And we get down to 397 00:28:56.720 --> 00:29:02.160 the bottom of the trail, and the whole way down though, we hear 398 00:29:02.359 --> 00:29:10.559 I hear these this footfall paralleling us all the way down this mountain. And 399 00:29:11.279 --> 00:29:15.240 Kenny finally breaks and he goes, all right, something's out there. What 400 00:29:15.519 --> 00:29:18.759 is it? And I said, Kenny, I don't know. I don't 401 00:29:18.799 --> 00:29:22.680 know what it is. I haven't seen anything yet. I'm hearing things, 402 00:29:22.680 --> 00:29:26.440 but I don't I don't know what it is. And I'm not a big 403 00:29:26.480 --> 00:29:30.839 tree knocker, but I'm really not. I'm not a big whoop where. 404 00:29:30.880 --> 00:29:36.160 I don't Mostly when I go out research and I go out, I sit 405 00:29:36.240 --> 00:29:41.480 down and I listen and I look. I use all my senses, and 406 00:29:42.599 --> 00:29:45.079 I said, you know, what it's worth a trial. Let's let's do 407 00:29:45.119 --> 00:29:52.920 a tree knock now on these woods are haunted Bobo. It shows the actor 408 00:29:52.960 --> 00:29:56.480 playing me hit the tree three or four times. I never hit the tree 409 00:29:56.519 --> 00:30:02.160 three three or four times. I hit it once and instantly, how right 410 00:30:02.200 --> 00:30:07.799 above us, something smacked the tree and Kenny just has this complete and total 411 00:30:07.839 --> 00:30:14.559 meltdown on us, and he's freaking out. My girlfriend, she draws this 412 00:30:14.640 --> 00:30:18.319 circle in the in the dirt. She says that it's something to do with 413 00:30:18.400 --> 00:30:25.240 Native American culture. It's a symbol that will protect her and protect her own. 414 00:30:25.640 --> 00:30:29.680 You're on your own, Yeah, you're on your own on that one. 415 00:30:30.440 --> 00:30:33.599 Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bogo will be right 416 00:30:33.640 --> 00:30:45.519 back. After these messages, for about fifty fifty three minutes, I told 417 00:30:45.559 --> 00:30:48.759 her, I said, listen, you need to get your phone out and 418 00:30:48.799 --> 00:30:52.400 start recording. She had a battery pack and she had charged her phone on 419 00:30:52.480 --> 00:30:56.960 the top of the mountain, so her phone was fully charged, but the 420 00:30:56.960 --> 00:31:03.440 battery pack completely sapped of power. She starts recording this right before she drew 421 00:31:03.559 --> 00:31:08.160 the circle in the in the dirt, and for fifty three minutes, these 422 00:31:08.599 --> 00:31:15.720 creatures were walking around us, just out of that small flashlight range, and 423 00:31:15.759 --> 00:31:21.880 they were grunning, and they were they were rowling. There was like gutter 424 00:31:22.000 --> 00:31:27.960 or grouse. Then I hear what can only be described as chatter. It 425 00:31:29.119 --> 00:31:33.039 was I couldn't understand it. It was a completely different language. Did it 426 00:31:33.079 --> 00:31:37.880 sound like the Sierra sounds? No? Did it sound close to them? 427 00:31:37.920 --> 00:31:44.240 Absolutely? I don't know what they were saying to each other. But I 428 00:31:44.319 --> 00:31:48.039 walk up to Kenny and I put my hand on his chest and I said, 429 00:31:48.079 --> 00:31:51.680 Kenny, are you okay, buddy? And when I put when I 430 00:31:51.720 --> 00:31:53.799 laid my hand on his chest, it was cold. I could feel his 431 00:31:53.880 --> 00:31:57.759 heart beat. I said, Kenny, you you got to get out of 432 00:31:57.799 --> 00:32:01.079 here righted. And he said, yeah, I'm going to run. I 433 00:32:01.079 --> 00:32:05.519 said, don't run. Don't run, because I don't know what these things 434 00:32:05.519 --> 00:32:08.440 will do. If you run, you could lose that race, okay. 435 00:32:09.279 --> 00:32:13.599 And I said, I'm gonna get you out of here, buddy. And 436 00:32:13.599 --> 00:32:16.920 that was probably the most terrified I was at the moment, because I was 437 00:32:16.960 --> 00:32:22.319 afraid something would happen to Kenny. I was afraid something would happen to Gwynn. 438 00:32:22.200 --> 00:32:25.519 I was afraid that if either one of them something happened to either one 439 00:32:25.519 --> 00:32:30.400 of them and I survived, I wouldn't be able to live in myself because 440 00:32:30.440 --> 00:32:37.640 I put them in this situation. So I am a card carrying member of 441 00:32:37.680 --> 00:32:44.039 the firearm community, and I always carry a pistol with me, and to 442 00:32:44.079 --> 00:32:47.000 be blunt. It is not for bigfoot. I do not wish to kill 443 00:32:47.000 --> 00:32:51.920 one of these creatures now if it came down to life or death. Absolutely 444 00:32:52.039 --> 00:32:57.759 my life for its life. I've got kids, I've got to live. 445 00:32:59.039 --> 00:33:01.759 But I walk. I get my gun and I placed it on my hip. 446 00:33:01.759 --> 00:33:05.200 I get it out of my backpack. I placed it on my hip, 447 00:33:05.200 --> 00:33:07.480 and I walk up to Gwen and I put my hand on my shoulder 448 00:33:07.519 --> 00:33:08.799 and I said, Gwen, Honey, we gotta go. We gotta get 449 00:33:08.839 --> 00:33:13.720 Kenny out of here. And as soon as I said that, this one 450 00:33:14.119 --> 00:33:19.119 rushed just bluff charge straight toward us. And you could hear it just to 451 00:33:19.119 --> 00:33:24.240 to too too, the foot fall from it stomping toward us, and subconsciously, 452 00:33:24.319 --> 00:33:28.160 I guess, I don't know. I didn't mean to. I drew 453 00:33:28.200 --> 00:33:31.759 my firearm, I drew my pistol, and I said, stop, whatever 454 00:33:31.799 --> 00:33:36.119 you are, you gotta stop. I don't know if you can understand me. 455 00:33:36.240 --> 00:33:38.799 I don't. I don't care, but you have to stop. We're 456 00:33:38.880 --> 00:33:44.240 leaving. Let us go. And Gwen gets up and she says, okay, 457 00:33:44.279 --> 00:33:45.400 I'm ready. I said, all right, let's let's get out of 458 00:33:45.400 --> 00:33:49.960 here. But I want you and Kenny to walk ahead of me. And 459 00:33:50.000 --> 00:33:52.920 she said no, and I said, yeah, go go ahead of me 460 00:33:52.000 --> 00:33:58.960 here, it's okay. And I said, if something should happen, run, 461 00:33:59.359 --> 00:34:01.920 don't tell Ken I told you this, But run as hard as you 462 00:34:02.000 --> 00:34:07.519 can get to the car. Calm on one one, but don't say bigfoot 463 00:34:07.880 --> 00:34:10.440 because they won't come. And she said, what are you going to do? 464 00:34:10.559 --> 00:34:14.320 I said, I'm okay with this. I really am. At the 465 00:34:14.320 --> 00:34:15.280 time it was it was like, you know, I'm okay with this. 466 00:34:15.920 --> 00:34:21.360 Be a hell of a way to go. I joke about it during my 467 00:34:21.400 --> 00:34:23.199 presentations. I say, you know, if something would have happened to me, 468 00:34:23.199 --> 00:34:25.639 I would have got to the other side and my grandpa would have been 469 00:34:25.719 --> 00:34:28.800 like, what happened. I'd say, well, you got you had a 470 00:34:28.840 --> 00:34:31.440 heart attack, I got ripped apart by a bigfoot. We're not the same, 471 00:34:31.480 --> 00:34:38.079 old man. Yeah, you would win that one. But they walked 472 00:34:38.079 --> 00:34:40.199 ahead of me. They got about fifteen foot ahead of me, he or 473 00:34:40.280 --> 00:34:45.280 so, and I'm walking, walking, walking, and I just got this 474 00:34:45.400 --> 00:34:47.639 feeling, you know, you get that feeling. And I took that little 475 00:34:47.679 --> 00:34:52.639 flashlight and looked over my shoulder, and one took one ginormous step across this 476 00:34:52.760 --> 00:34:59.400 trail right behind me, probably ten maybe eleven twelve feet, and all of 477 00:34:59.440 --> 00:35:02.599 a sudden, every bit of the bravery that I had left, and I 478 00:35:02.840 --> 00:35:07.280 briskly walked up to both of them, put my hands on both their backs 479 00:35:07.280 --> 00:35:09.039 and said, don't run, but you got to go a little faster. 480 00:35:10.320 --> 00:35:15.519 And we get down to where at the bottom of the trail, the main 481 00:35:15.719 --> 00:35:20.199 bottom where the parking lot stuff is, there's a shelter house and we're standing 482 00:35:20.239 --> 00:35:22.800 there and I'm like, okay, we are safe, We're good. There's 483 00:35:22.880 --> 00:35:29.800 lights here. I don't wanted to know what their thoughts were, how they 484 00:35:29.840 --> 00:35:34.039 were feeling us. How do you all feel this just happened? How do 485 00:35:34.079 --> 00:35:37.719 you all feel now? Mind you, the camera is still going, the 486 00:35:37.119 --> 00:35:42.440 video was still playing, and we're talking, and all of a sudden, 487 00:35:42.480 --> 00:35:45.280 out of nowhere, guys, these rocks the size of the foot of soft 488 00:35:45.320 --> 00:35:52.360 balls came flying out of the air and landing around us. Now they're not 489 00:35:52.519 --> 00:35:58.159 heating near us, but around us, and we high tailed it to the 490 00:35:58.199 --> 00:36:02.559 cars. But when I got down there, I'm leaned against the car and 491 00:36:02.639 --> 00:36:09.440 I'm just completely mentally, physically, and emotionally exhausted at this point, and 492 00:36:09.480 --> 00:36:13.599 I said, I don't know, I don't know how I'm going to tell 493 00:36:13.639 --> 00:36:19.199 anybody this. This is crazy. This is craziest encounter I've ever had. 494 00:36:19.559 --> 00:36:27.039 And up on the ridge we hear this whoo, and we all three just 495 00:36:27.679 --> 00:36:32.159 stopped and I was like, y'all heard that, right, And I just 496 00:36:32.199 --> 00:36:37.920 above it, and all the way up to the top of the mountain, 497 00:36:37.239 --> 00:36:43.159 these things were sounding off, and it was almost like they were celebrating that 498 00:36:43.239 --> 00:36:46.239 they run us out there. And I lean over to Gwenn and I said, 499 00:36:46.320 --> 00:36:52.639 please tell me you are still filming this, and she said, oh, 500 00:36:52.719 --> 00:36:58.000 yes, it's okay. This might be something to bring to the table. 501 00:36:58.559 --> 00:37:00.639 And they went off several minutes, and then all of a sudden, 502 00:37:00.880 --> 00:37:07.679 everything in the forest, crickets, frogs, chirp, and everything stopped. 503 00:37:07.440 --> 00:37:12.760 And that was it. It's like the switch got turned off. And we 504 00:37:12.800 --> 00:37:15.280 stood there probably another twenty minutes. Way off in the distance, you could 505 00:37:15.320 --> 00:37:22.800 hear some cows bellering and moving but Gwenn goes to save this video and her 506 00:37:22.880 --> 00:37:28.960 phone glitched and I said, okay, just you know it saved, it's 507 00:37:29.000 --> 00:37:32.280 turn it back on. And guys, when she turned it back on, 508 00:37:32.599 --> 00:37:37.199 it said nine minutes and so many seconds. And I said, no, 509 00:37:37.199 --> 00:37:39.159 no, no, no, no no, there's fifty three minutes of that, 510 00:37:39.400 --> 00:37:44.480 every bit of it. We never could recover it. It was the 511 00:37:44.480 --> 00:37:47.480 first nine minutes and so many seconds of the encounter. And we don't know 512 00:37:47.559 --> 00:37:52.519 how the hell that happened. Yeah, the batteries died before that. Those, 513 00:37:52.920 --> 00:37:55.440 I g it's weird. We went back up there several times after that 514 00:37:57.039 --> 00:38:01.760 when and I did, and it was just once in a blue moon something 515 00:38:01.840 --> 00:38:06.239 like that, not like that, that's never happened before. It never happened 516 00:38:06.239 --> 00:38:10.280 again, but something would happen and it would draw us right back in. 517 00:38:10.440 --> 00:38:16.400 And then two thousand May of twenty nineteen, I know you all know Darby 518 00:38:16.559 --> 00:38:22.199 or Cut. He's a college professor out of North Carolina. Darby calls me 519 00:38:22.280 --> 00:38:24.840 up and he says, Mike, Darby had already heard about the story and 520 00:38:25.000 --> 00:38:30.199 all this, and he says, Mike, I'm coming to Central Kentucky. 521 00:38:30.199 --> 00:38:31.679 I want you to take me to where this happened at I said, okay, 522 00:38:32.119 --> 00:38:36.039 So we went up there and I took him to where we saw the 523 00:38:36.159 --> 00:38:37.800 lot in the forest. It took him to where we had the encounter with 524 00:38:37.840 --> 00:38:45.000 the one surrounding us, and we went up on the ridge. And it's 525 00:38:45.039 --> 00:38:51.039 funny because my colleague, Glenn Mink, and myself took Darby up there. 526 00:38:51.320 --> 00:38:55.000 Glenn and Darby were standing on top of this one ridge looking down into a 527 00:38:55.119 --> 00:38:59.320 valley, and I said, guys, I don't want to be rude or 528 00:38:59.360 --> 00:39:02.199 anything. Got a pee and I'm going to head on back to the trail. 529 00:39:02.599 --> 00:39:07.280 You all good, I'm good, let's go. So I went straight 530 00:39:07.320 --> 00:39:09.440 down the side of the side of the hill and went over to the other 531 00:39:09.519 --> 00:39:15.320 side of the trail and done my business. And Darby yells at me. 532 00:39:15.400 --> 00:39:16.360 He says, hey, Mike, which way did you go down? And 533 00:39:16.400 --> 00:39:21.840 I said, well, I went down the way that I knew I wouldn't 534 00:39:21.880 --> 00:39:25.639 finally kill myself and all that. But it's kind of a steep, but 535 00:39:25.679 --> 00:39:29.760 if you come straight down you can see where I've brushed up the leaves and 536 00:39:29.800 --> 00:39:31.800 stuff. He said, that's not what I'm asking. He said, you 537 00:39:31.800 --> 00:39:35.760 didn't go off the side of the ridge. And I said, not the 538 00:39:35.800 --> 00:39:39.039 side you're looking at now. I came straight where if you draw you straight 539 00:39:39.079 --> 00:39:43.159 line from where I'm standing at to you, that's the way I come off. 540 00:39:44.280 --> 00:39:45.800 He said, you might want to come back up here, So I'll 541 00:39:45.840 --> 00:39:53.360 walk back up there. And we found footprints, and I think Darby would 542 00:39:53.400 --> 00:40:00.840 know more. And we found twenty eight footprints over two hundred yards and it 543 00:40:01.000 --> 00:40:07.400 was a trackway, but it looked as though they were running. Now, 544 00:40:07.719 --> 00:40:12.719 when I go back to what I said about them being juvenile, none of 545 00:40:12.760 --> 00:40:15.880 the footprint there were two sets of footprints, none of them neither one of 546 00:40:15.920 --> 00:40:22.159 them was over twelve to thirteen inches long, but there was like a seven 547 00:40:22.239 --> 00:40:28.079 foot gap between them, so it looked like they were running. And one 548 00:40:28.119 --> 00:40:35.440 took a clear step right into a dead log and left the impression of that 549 00:40:35.519 --> 00:40:38.800 footprint there. But Darby was with us the whole time when this happened. 550 00:40:38.800 --> 00:40:44.760 We documented every single one of those footprints. We run out of plaster and 551 00:40:45.400 --> 00:40:47.960 was not able to cast all of them, and the ones that we did 552 00:40:49.039 --> 00:40:52.599 cast, the kind of lobsquatching there, there's no definition, and I think 553 00:40:52.639 --> 00:40:58.639 that's probably because where they were running, it didn't they didn't hit the ground 554 00:40:58.679 --> 00:41:02.559 hard enough to leave a really good toe impression. But it was wild to 555 00:41:02.599 --> 00:41:08.000 see that. Yeah, Derby's referred to a strange experience. I believe that. 556 00:41:08.239 --> 00:41:10.480 I thought, maybe he can Kentucky. Maybe this is what he was 557 00:41:10.519 --> 00:41:15.480 talking about, because he's been so cryptic about what he actually experienced, had 558 00:41:15.480 --> 00:41:17.719 never really you know, pushed him on it to find out what what what 559 00:41:17.880 --> 00:41:22.159 actually occurred, So maybe this is what he was talking about. Darby and 560 00:41:22.239 --> 00:41:25.519 I we we saw each other up at the OBC back in back in May's. 561 00:41:25.840 --> 00:41:29.440 I saw you there for I just stopped in for the night. I 562 00:41:29.480 --> 00:41:31.599 was on my way to West Virginia that night, and it was just a 563 00:41:31.679 --> 00:41:37.400 strange occurrence that we uh. And oddly enough, guys, nothing that's happened 564 00:41:37.440 --> 00:41:44.559 since then in that area. We've I've been diligent about collecting stories and stuff, 565 00:41:44.599 --> 00:41:47.840 and I have a dear friend that lives in the area, and he's 566 00:41:47.920 --> 00:41:54.199 not said anything here or there about any encounters in that area. So maybe 567 00:41:54.239 --> 00:42:00.199 they've moved on by now. But I'm researching in nwm A now and I 568 00:42:00.239 --> 00:42:05.760 haven't found anything crazy. I mean, I've found a few squatchy things, 569 00:42:05.840 --> 00:42:09.559 but you know, nothing that I would ever bring to the table stuff that 570 00:42:09.599 --> 00:42:12.599 I look at and say, well, that's that's kind of cool. Take 571 00:42:12.599 --> 00:42:15.119 a picture of that, you know. Yeah. Yeah, it sounds like 572 00:42:15.119 --> 00:42:20.320 you've had two visuals, right, two verifiable? Yeah, the two that 573 00:42:20.599 --> 00:42:22.880 you just described to us, so one in two thousand and two and then 574 00:42:22.960 --> 00:42:25.440 this one that was when it was escorting you out of the area. Is 575 00:42:25.440 --> 00:42:30.480 that is that the second visual you've had? Yes? Okay, now you 576 00:42:30.480 --> 00:42:34.280 said verifiable. What do you mean by that, Well, the first one 577 00:42:34.599 --> 00:42:37.480 I was by myself. The second one I was with other people. I 578 00:42:37.599 --> 00:42:43.440 know what I saw. The second and third the ones we were talking about 579 00:42:43.440 --> 00:42:45.960 earlier when when I said, you know, I don't really talk about it 580 00:42:46.000 --> 00:42:51.480 a whole lot because don't really know what I was looking at. I don't 581 00:42:51.480 --> 00:42:55.599 ever bring that one up because we saw something. Did it favor a bigfoot? 582 00:42:55.679 --> 00:43:00.880 Yes? Yes, absolutely it did. But was it at I can't 583 00:43:00.920 --> 00:43:05.199 tell you that, and I won't say it was a big foot. I 584 00:43:05.239 --> 00:43:07.000 hate it when people do that, when they come up to you and say 585 00:43:07.639 --> 00:43:10.480 I saw a bigfoot, it's great. Did you have any doubt what it 586 00:43:10.559 --> 00:43:15.000 was before you? You, you know, come to the conclusion that it 587 00:43:15.039 --> 00:43:19.440 was a big foot? Nope, I saw a bigfoot. Cool, So 588 00:43:19.480 --> 00:43:22.119 it sounds like you have a maybe on your hand too. Well, what 589 00:43:22.199 --> 00:43:24.000 happened at the maybe? And what makes you think it might have been a 590 00:43:24.000 --> 00:43:29.519 big foot? If you're not so sure? The movements? It was definitely 591 00:43:30.039 --> 00:43:34.960 organic in nature. It was a it was something. It was very large, 592 00:43:35.440 --> 00:43:39.719 it's covered hair, and it moved when we went to step toward it. 593 00:43:39.719 --> 00:43:45.119 It moved very very quickly, a lot quicker than a bear would a 594 00:43:45.159 --> 00:43:50.159 bear black bears are very very fast, but they're very lumbery too. You 595 00:43:50.199 --> 00:43:54.119 know, this thing moved quicker than a deer. And it was down that 596 00:43:54.280 --> 00:43:58.039 ridge in a heartbeat. You could hear it going up the other other ridge 597 00:43:58.079 --> 00:44:02.880 across these all little little valley you can hear it running back up the ridge 598 00:44:02.920 --> 00:44:07.599 over there in just seconds. So that tells me there. I don't know 599 00:44:07.719 --> 00:44:10.280 what it was. Could it have been a big foot, absolutely, it 600 00:44:10.320 --> 00:44:15.920 could have been something else possibly, I don't know. But what makes me 601 00:44:15.960 --> 00:44:20.639 think it was a big foot was the speed, the quickness of it. 602 00:44:20.800 --> 00:44:23.599 So and you know, over the years, visually that's the only visual ones. 603 00:44:23.679 --> 00:44:32.320 But I've heard vocalizations and wooden ox and all kinds of b encounters. 604 00:44:34.119 --> 00:44:38.039 But those the two that I talk about are the first ones and the last 605 00:44:38.119 --> 00:44:42.559 visual. The first one and the last visual. That's the two I talk 606 00:44:42.599 --> 00:44:45.519 about the most. Yeah, because that's what you can actually hang your hat 607 00:44:45.519 --> 00:44:49.000 on a little bit too. Oh yeah. And you know then people see 608 00:44:49.039 --> 00:44:53.039 it on travel Channel and you all get it to you get to finding big 609 00:44:53.039 --> 00:44:57.679 Foot fans coming up and you know, I can't believe you, and they 610 00:44:57.719 --> 00:45:00.880 look at me and say, I can't believe y'all kept on telling him not 611 00:45:00.920 --> 00:45:04.199 to run, but you run anyway, And I'm like, guys, listen, 612 00:45:05.519 --> 00:45:10.239 TV is TV Okay. Ninety percent of that show happened. Ten percent 613 00:45:10.280 --> 00:45:16.400 of it was amped up a little bit, and I'm always forthcoming with that. 614 00:45:16.599 --> 00:45:22.440 I'm always honest to fault. They amped a little bit of it up, 615 00:45:22.280 --> 00:45:25.880 mainly the guy playing me, And it was so funny because when I 616 00:45:25.920 --> 00:45:30.599 walked out of the studio that day, I told the producer, I said, 617 00:45:30.760 --> 00:45:32.360 make sure when you get the actor to play me, he's good looking. 618 00:45:32.679 --> 00:45:40.239 And man, they did not disappoint. I remember that watch like it 619 00:45:40.239 --> 00:45:44.159 looks kind of like him. If you blur your eyes, you squint a 620 00:45:44.159 --> 00:45:50.400 little bit, maybe maybe look somewhere else. Yeah, that's my stay tuned 621 00:45:50.480 --> 00:45:53.400 for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bogo. Will be right back after 622 00:45:53.440 --> 00:46:06.239 these messages. What was your episode called? Was it hunting us? Because 623 00:46:06.880 --> 00:46:12.239 during the production of it, you all done the TV thing. You know 624 00:46:12.320 --> 00:46:15.239 how grueling this is. It took me ten hours to do the forty five 625 00:46:15.320 --> 00:46:21.880 minute second and I told the same story at least one hundred and fifty five 626 00:46:21.920 --> 00:46:24.119 times, and at the end of it, the last time I told it, 627 00:46:24.199 --> 00:46:29.800 I was almost in tears. And when I was talking, I said, 628 00:46:29.960 --> 00:46:35.079 you know, was it paralleling us or was it hunting us? I 629 00:46:35.079 --> 00:46:37.480 don't know. I would say no, because it it was hunting you, 630 00:46:37.360 --> 00:46:42.119 you would have been all dead right, Yeah, exactly. I think they 631 00:46:42.159 --> 00:46:45.639 were trying to just run us out. I feel like they were just juveniles. 632 00:46:45.639 --> 00:46:49.840 I feel like if they wanted to do us any harm, we wouldn't 633 00:46:49.880 --> 00:46:52.719 been having this conversation. What was your episode calling and you said was the 634 00:46:52.800 --> 00:46:59.599 end of it? Was it hunting us? It was episode six, season 635 00:46:59.760 --> 00:47:04.280 two. Let's see. Yeah, uh, these woods are hunts Season two, 636 00:47:04.280 --> 00:47:07.960 episode six, The Hunted. I'm sorry, the hunted? Okay, 637 00:47:07.000 --> 00:47:13.039 yeah, And it says three hikers encounter Bigfoot and a tour guy awakens a 638 00:47:13.079 --> 00:47:16.320 civil war spirit. That was a great episode. Yeah, and you know, 639 00:47:16.480 --> 00:47:21.000 the producer has we've we've kept in contact and stuff and talked about a 640 00:47:21.039 --> 00:47:23.519 few other projects, and you know, he said that that's actually one of 641 00:47:23.519 --> 00:47:29.199 the most watched episodes, and I'm like, that's that's that explains a lot. 642 00:47:30.000 --> 00:47:34.639 I've done a few other projects. We got this new YouTube series out 643 00:47:34.719 --> 00:47:38.760 called I Believe in Bigfoot, and uh, my first encounter is actually the 644 00:47:38.800 --> 00:47:45.400 first episode of that. David Bacara from Expedition Bigfoot. David is a really 645 00:47:45.559 --> 00:47:49.400 terribly good friend of mine. He is such a nice him and Milanda both. 646 00:47:50.039 --> 00:47:52.880 I can't talk enough good things about them people, because they are just 647 00:47:53.119 --> 00:48:00.920 genuine people. And David told the guy that's making this documentary about me and 648 00:48:00.920 --> 00:48:06.480 he got a hold of me, and Ron Moore heads on it myself. 649 00:48:06.639 --> 00:48:12.679 There's several other researchers out there on it. But I got that thing going 650 00:48:12.719 --> 00:48:17.039 on, and then I'm writing. I'm writing a book right now, been 651 00:48:17.119 --> 00:48:22.559 writing a book for about four years. I'm finally getting to where I've got. 652 00:48:22.920 --> 00:48:27.079 I've got an interview with Cliff and we've done at OBC that year, 653 00:48:27.119 --> 00:48:30.679 Remember that, Cliff, Nope, I don't remember anything. That's a general 654 00:48:30.760 --> 00:48:34.639 rule. Now that's a that's a rule of mine too. I write everything 655 00:48:34.679 --> 00:48:37.320 down and then find it later. I'm like, oh, that's what. 656 00:48:38.199 --> 00:48:39.840 Yeah, I don't I mean, I don't know. I do a lot 657 00:48:39.880 --> 00:48:44.360 of these interviews and stuff. I just don't pay attention to what what what's 658 00:48:44.440 --> 00:48:47.119 going on with them? And I guess not remembering things like that alleviate some 659 00:48:47.159 --> 00:48:52.360 responsibility about what I said. Yeah, I mean I can attest to that. 660 00:48:52.360 --> 00:48:55.599 That's that's a good answer. I like that. I'm gonna quote that 661 00:48:55.679 --> 00:49:01.920 actually. But no, I got this book, Bigfoot out of the Woods. 662 00:49:02.599 --> 00:49:07.320 It's going to be a general book about Bigfoot, the history of it, 663 00:49:07.480 --> 00:49:10.480 the past, present, and future where we're we're leading to. And 664 00:49:12.480 --> 00:49:16.679 I just got finished writing the chapter about AI technology and stuff and how we 665 00:49:16.719 --> 00:49:22.920 could utilize it for research purposes and it not hinder us in any way, 666 00:49:22.960 --> 00:49:28.920 shape or form. I feel like this audio AI, I feel like we 667 00:49:29.000 --> 00:49:34.360 could do some stuff with it, with the Sierra sounds or any vocalizations caught 668 00:49:34.400 --> 00:49:39.039 on a recorder, we could actually possibly talk to these creatures in their own 669 00:49:39.440 --> 00:49:45.599 language. Someday, someday. Do you have do you have some like your 670 00:49:45.760 --> 00:49:51.320 researchers. Do you have cameras or long term recorders out I do have cameras. 671 00:49:51.360 --> 00:49:59.079 I have several trail cams out there. Three of them are the cell 672 00:49:59.119 --> 00:50:04.159 phone cameras. The they have the little ANTENTNA on them. They probably give 673 00:50:04.199 --> 00:50:07.239 it back in real time, right yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, 674 00:50:07.239 --> 00:50:08.760 And I can access them at any point, like I can pull them 675 00:50:08.800 --> 00:50:14.440 up right now. It's really bad for batteries if you pull up the live 676 00:50:14.559 --> 00:50:21.360 view. But but yeah, they do very well. I've gotten several pictures 677 00:50:21.400 --> 00:50:24.360 of deer, black bear. I got a big black bear on one trail 678 00:50:24.400 --> 00:50:31.199 cam, Bob kat here and there, I had a blur. I don't 679 00:50:31.239 --> 00:50:36.280 know, And I'm pretty real when it comes to this stuff. Some people 680 00:50:36.320 --> 00:50:37.119 would look at and say, oh, that could be a big foot, 681 00:50:37.119 --> 00:50:40.599 and I'm like, it could be every any it could be a million other 682 00:50:40.679 --> 00:50:46.199 things. Let's not go straight to bigfoot, because I'm sorry. I think 683 00:50:46.239 --> 00:50:51.239 these creatures I think, I don't know. I don't know if they have 684 00:50:51.840 --> 00:50:55.679 I think they have abilities that we can explain, but I can't explain if 685 00:50:55.719 --> 00:51:01.920 that makes any sense that don't you think when we do discover in the study 686 00:51:01.960 --> 00:51:07.400 that it will it seems like explainable, but it will be explainable like normally, 687 00:51:07.760 --> 00:51:12.079 like a conventionally. I think it's going to be, like, you 688 00:51:12.119 --> 00:51:16.559 know, to put it in this perspective, there's this picture on Facebook everywhere 689 00:51:16.559 --> 00:51:22.079 else I don't know. You can google a snow leopard photo. So you 690 00:51:22.360 --> 00:51:29.599 will sit for hours looking at this picture of this cliff with a little snow 691 00:51:29.679 --> 00:51:32.360 on it, and it'll say find the snow lip and you could sit and 692 00:51:32.400 --> 00:51:37.119 look at it forever. But when you find it, you can't not see 693 00:51:37.159 --> 00:51:44.639 it like it's right there and you're like, oh, that's how that's it's 694 00:51:44.719 --> 00:51:49.519 right there. I believe that when we discover this creature and we have that 695 00:51:49.719 --> 00:51:55.800 verifiable proof that everybody wants, I think that all the abilities will be explainable. 696 00:51:57.639 --> 00:52:00.880 So so, Michael, what an opportunity do we have to see you 697 00:52:00.920 --> 00:52:02.400 for the rest of the summer? You doing any events pretty soon or anything 698 00:52:02.440 --> 00:52:08.559 like that? Or in August? I have the Central Pennsylvania Bigfoot and Paranormal 699 00:52:08.639 --> 00:52:16.079 Festival. I'm actually a keynote speaker there, and that happens in Ellisburg, 700 00:52:16.199 --> 00:52:21.039 Pennsylvania, August third. Okay, we'll put the link in the show notes 701 00:52:21.039 --> 00:52:23.840 for people who are interested in that. Then I'll be over hanging out with 702 00:52:24.239 --> 00:52:29.800 Eric Altman at the Pennsylvania the Big Pennsylvania camp Out. Oh, always a 703 00:52:29.800 --> 00:52:31.280 good time. I did that gig before. That's that's a great gig. 704 00:52:31.639 --> 00:52:37.320 I saw Eric over at the Forest County thing and he Eric and I have 705 00:52:37.360 --> 00:52:39.400 known each other for about fifteen years. First time we've ever met in person. 706 00:52:40.280 --> 00:52:45.800 Talked on the farm. Good good guy man, and he told me 707 00:52:45.000 --> 00:52:47.280 that he wouldn't take a no for an answer. He wanted me to come 708 00:52:47.320 --> 00:52:51.840 to it, and so I'm going to it. And then in October I 709 00:52:51.880 --> 00:52:55.039 have the This is one that you people listen if you live on the eastern 710 00:52:55.159 --> 00:52:58.519 United States or you have the means to make it from the west side over 711 00:52:58.559 --> 00:53:05.079 to the east side. The South Carolina Bigfoot Festival happens in Westminster, South 712 00:53:05.119 --> 00:53:12.440 Carolina. It's a small town outside of Clemson, and my grandmother lived there 713 00:53:12.639 --> 00:53:16.400 for many many years. I spent most of my childhood there. But not 714 00:53:17.280 --> 00:53:21.440 just because of that, but this festival. It brings in so many people. 715 00:53:21.599 --> 00:53:25.679 There's such good, wholesome people. I've not met anybody there that is 716 00:53:25.880 --> 00:53:32.239 malicious intent or anything like that. Always have a good time. We had 717 00:53:32.719 --> 00:53:37.119 the first year that i'd done This was two years ago, and they put 718 00:53:37.159 --> 00:53:42.559 us up in a cabin and they didn't tell us that there were bigfoot reports 719 00:53:42.559 --> 00:53:46.800 from around that area at the cabin, and we were out near the campfire 720 00:53:46.880 --> 00:53:52.039 one night, and sure enough we started hearing vocalizations and wooden knocks and everything 721 00:53:52.039 --> 00:53:57.199 else. So it was it was wild. But cannot wait to do that 722 00:53:57.280 --> 00:54:00.480 one fantastic, fantastic. What do people want to get ahold of you for? 723 00:54:00.519 --> 00:54:04.199 Anything? Like? Maybe give give you a report because you're in central 724 00:54:04.400 --> 00:54:07.639 Kentucky and you know they think that it might be in your neighborhood or something. 725 00:54:07.840 --> 00:54:09.639 Is there a way that you collect reports and data that people can grab 726 00:54:09.679 --> 00:54:14.719 you? Yeah, you can go on Facebook is the easiest, probably the 727 00:54:14.880 --> 00:54:19.840 easiest way to grab me. Go to cook Cryptied Research. It's my one 728 00:54:19.840 --> 00:54:24.400 of my social media pages. I also own a barbecue sauce company called Sauce 729 00:54:24.480 --> 00:54:29.880 Watch and that's s O S S s q U A T C H. 730 00:54:30.559 --> 00:54:34.599 And you can go on that Facebook page or the website and check it out 731 00:54:34.920 --> 00:54:37.719 and I will uh and you can pick up that stuff anywhere. You can 732 00:54:37.719 --> 00:54:45.440 find me at one of these events speaking or whatever, and I will tell 733 00:54:45.440 --> 00:54:47.079 you. What if you tell me you heard me on Bigfoot and Beyond, 734 00:54:47.119 --> 00:54:51.559 I'll give you. I'll give you a handshake. There you go, a 735 00:54:51.719 --> 00:54:55.559 free handshake. Awesome. Yeah, I'll do a curtsy. Yeah, I'll 736 00:54:55.639 --> 00:54:59.480 even pull a little bit. Well heck went back to my see I'm gonna 737 00:54:59.559 --> 00:55:00.920 I'm gonna that one out. I definitely want to see you. Curtsey. 738 00:55:02.639 --> 00:55:06.960 Yeah. Sweet, well cool, Michael scart you came on and joined us, 739 00:55:06.960 --> 00:55:08.559 and I'm talking to people. If you got Discovery Plus or I don't 740 00:55:08.559 --> 00:55:12.519 know if it's on YouTube or not, but that episode what season two, 741 00:55:12.599 --> 00:55:15.880 number six, check it out. It's pretty fantastic. Got it on films. 742 00:55:16.039 --> 00:55:21.320 It's your your hair gets raised on that. So thanks so much Michael 743 00:55:21.360 --> 00:55:24.159 Cook for coming and joining us. And till next week, y'all keep it 744 00:55:24.199 --> 00:55:34.719 squatchy. Thanks for listening to this week's episode of Bigfoot and Beyond. If 745 00:55:34.719 --> 00:55:37.719 you liked what you heard, please rate and review us on iTunes, subscribe 746 00:55:37.760 --> 00:55:42.840 to Bigfoot and Beyond wherever you get your podcasts, and follow us on Facebook 747 00:55:42.880 --> 00:55:46.880 and Instagram at Bigfoot and Beyond podcast. You can find us on Twitter at 748 00:55:46.920 --> 00:55:52.559 Bigfoot and Beyond. That's an n in the middle and tweet us your thoughts 749 00:55:52.599 --> 00:56:04.559 and questions with the hashtag Bigfoot and beyond an understand up a const