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Hellow conspiracy players, welcome to another
episode on this very special Father's Day edition

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of Conspiracy Playtime. We have one
father and one nonfather, maybe a future

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father. I don't know. We
could ask how he feels about that when

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we start maybe some All right,
writer Lee, welcome to the show man.

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Thanks for having me on. I
appreciate it. My friend has been

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I like your poster in the background
of Clockwork Orange. That's what my second

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documentary is going to be about.
You know, I kinda was going to

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ask you about that. I heard
you on some other podcasts talking about you're

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working on like an mk Ultra Hollywood
Kubrick thing right now. Yeah, it's

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going to be incredible. I'm really
looking forward to it. I originally wanted

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to make the documentary that I'm making
right now first, but we decided to

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go with jfk X Solving the Crime
of the Century first. What you can

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check out on Amazon Prime and you
can watch it for free on t B

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as well. It's on like twenty
five different streaming platforms. But yeah,

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this next one is going to be
all about Hollywood and k Ultra, Stanley

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Kubrick, the Shining the Clockwork Orange, and it's going to be it's going

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to be mind blowing. So hopefully
it'll be finished by the end of August.

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You know, those are a lot
of my favorite talks right there.

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I love the old Hollywood stuff,
Laurel Canyon stuff. Oh man, we

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got a huge section on Laurel Canyon
and Lookout Mountain in the docum Ooh and

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Kubrick, you know, probably filmed
the moon landing there. I don't know,

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that's kind of what I speculate,
but yeah, my producer of the

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documentary, Jay Widener, he's the
one that created that theory. He started

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that theory Reallybrick's Odyssey, Cubick's Odyssey
one and two. He started the theory

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that Stanley Kubrick faked the moon landing. Sweet everyone has copied off of him

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and then created this whole thing.
But he's really humble in a lot of

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aspects, and he just likes the
information to get out there, so he

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doesn't call a lot of people on
it. When I mean, it's become

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really popular in the past couple of
years now, like a lot of piktok

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videos and a lot of people just
posted and don't even know where where it

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comes from. Where the original idea
come from, but it came from a

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Cubricks odyssey and Jay Widener, Yeah, it wasn't there some weird movie on

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Netflix? Room two feet what room
the hotel room? And he was also

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he was also in that documentary as
well. Oh, he was talked about

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it. Yeah. All right,
So let's let's talk about you a little

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bit. You're research your documentarian and
podcaster. I mean, you kind of

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have your fingers in a lot of
pies here, so you want to like

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kind of talk about how you stumbled
into all this. Is it something you've

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always been into? Well, I've
always been in the weird and strange things,

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you know, growing up, I
was, you know, I have

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some experiences that you know, I
don't talk about because there's really no point

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in really actually talking about it because
it doesn't I don't know what it is,

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and it doesn't really matter to me
what it is. I think unexplainable

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things happen all the time in our
reality, and sometimes we're not meant to

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know what it is, and any
attempt to actually figure it out just furthers

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you down into theory and speculation.
And that's not me saying that theory and

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speculation is bad. But you know, if I were to talk about some

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of my experiences to some people within
the community, which I have, they

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try and tell you what you experienced, you know what I mean. They'll

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be like, yeah, it was
great aliens. They were abducting you,

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they were freaking you, doing a
DNA switch on you and all this stuff,

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and you were on a ship and
they come by every couple of years

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to check up on you. And
I'm like, no, that's not what's

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happened at all. But that's the
kind of group high mentality that's going on

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with the community, Like they're trying
to insert their own ideas and thoughts and

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beliefs and theories onto you to get
you a part of this whole group of

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people, when nine times out of
ten, nobody experiences that. That type

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of stuff, you know, and
which we'll get into later on with regressions

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and like all that, because it's
a big sham as well. But anyway,

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I just kind of like fell into
it. I watched, you know,

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the movie Zeitgeist when it came out
in two thousand and eight. I

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think that's when it came out around
that time around that area. Don't quote

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me one I have so many sounds
about right, I have so many dates,

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and there's so many things that I
got to remember in my head.

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But the I watched that movie and
I was like, oh wow, you

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know, like it's all a bunch
of nonsense, you know, because it

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gets into the you know, the
money, the currency, nine to eleven,

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religion, and then because I always
knew that there was something wrong with

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the way that our society operates,
you know, things didn't seem right,

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and I knew that from a very
young age. I was like, why

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are these people so disingenuous? Like
why are they hiding something from me?

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It feels like they're all hiding something
from me. They're not telling me exactly

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what's going on. So that just
took me down a whole path of you

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know, getting into research and going
deep down and getting into spirituality. That's

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the main reason that I started my
show Raised by Giants was you know,

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that was the original thought was spirituality
because I was like, well, you

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know, how do we fix a
lot of the problems and the things that

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we have going on in our society? And I was like, well,

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you know, if people would just
become more spiritual and more in tune with

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themselves and stop looking to outside sources
to save them. Then I think they

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as we get better. And I
still believe in that. But a lot

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of the spiritual community is full of
a bunch of gobbly goob nonsense new age

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garbage as well. And that's what
I figured out with all of the communities

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all like that. All of them
are filled with just a bunch of nonsense.

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But that's where I started, was
with the spiritual community. And you

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know, I thought that all these
people knew what they were talking about,

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you know, and I thought that
they practiced what they said that they did,

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you know, like they're on here
talking about all well, I do

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this. I do that, I
contact my spirit guides, that the extraterrestrials

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come down and meet me in my
home and I have conversations with them and

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blah blah blah blah blah blah.
And at first it sounds fascinating and it

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sounds like, oh, well,
you know, maybe they are telling the

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truth, maybe they are in contact
with something. But the more you look

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at it, the more you realize
it's a bunch of nonsense and they're just

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making shut up and they don't do
any of the things that they say that

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they do. It's like a it's
it's been all wrapped into this this freaking

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spiritual New Age nonsense. And then
I was like, Okay, well where

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does a lot of these thoughts and
a lot of these ideas come from.

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And then I started getting in the
cults, into UFO cults, and I

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tracked back the Cult of im all
the way back to the thirties with Guy

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and the Ballard, and you realize
that that is where a lot of this

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stuff started. So with Guy and
and the Ballard, with the Cult of

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I Am in the early thirties,
they had all of these concepts wrapped up

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into their cult that people talk about
to this very day. Like twin Flames

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wasn't called twin flames back then.
It was called twin Rays. You know,

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like all of these different thoughts and
ideas that have just been morphed and

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then changed into something different and kind
of renamed, but is very similar for

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a new generation of people. And
I studied all these calls, looked at

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all of them, all of the
UFO cults, and there's a big boom

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in the early fifties. You got
the Ashtar galactic command called you have the

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seekers UFO call, you have the
Unarious Academy called, and it seems like

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that what a lot of people are
regurgitating are the exact same beliefs and the

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same structures from these cults, And
especially with the Heaven's Gate call, like

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a lot of the things that Marshall
apple White was talking about, and you

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can find all of that information.
He recorded like hundreds and hundreds of sessions

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where he's just talking and talking and
talking, very interesting things that he's saying.

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But when you realize that what he's
singing, other people have just changed

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and turned just slightly, and then
it's become a part of their beliefs system

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and their belief structure as well.
So well, the culture're talking about right

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now, do you ever in your
research uncovered military intelligence or just basic intelligence

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connections with any or all of them, Not directly, but I mean indirectly,

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because it all started in the early
fifties, there was that big boom,

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and that's right when the MK Ultra
programs, the CIA started MK ulture

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programs. So there's there's an inadvertent
connection there, but nothing that really connects

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them directly to I mean, there's
a few of them that like the Order

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of the Solar Temple in Geneva,
Switzerland, which was a very prominent cult

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and would only accept members it had
a lot of money that was like high

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up in scientology sort of. And
so it's not out of the realm of

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possibility that a lot of people,
a lot of the followers of some of

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these cults could have been in positions
of power. They could have been CIA

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representatives, they could have been military
assets, they could have been three letter

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organization people, because they really got
a lot of well known I mean,

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if you look at David Grush and
the Waco the branch davidians oh yeah,

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sorry, I get him, yeah
Brush, because they're very, very similar,

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and no one has really put that
together. I've been trying to say

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that for a long time since Dave
Grush came out the UFO whistleblower, because

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right whenever he came out, I
was in like a huge, big deep

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dive into Waco, and I was
like, this guy, his name sounds

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exactly like David Kresh, Dave Dave
Krash, Yeah, almost identical. I

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was like, is no one putting
this together? Right now? If you

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say it in a hurry, it's
there's no difference between them, really,

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yeah, no difference, but he
has he had a lot of like he

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had like lawyers and like, yeah, the mailman was a follower of the

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branch Davidians. And isn't he the
one who tipped him off to the mail

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man? Well, yeah, he's
the one that came in to the compound

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and was like yeah, they're they're
getting ready to mount an attack. So,

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I mean, there's so many different
correlations. And that's another thing that

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people is like, well, how
can these you know, high up individuals

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get involved in this kind of stuff? And you know, with the Heavens

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skate call a lot of the people
that came and said well, you know,

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how did you get involved in this
and all that? And they're like,

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well, it's because it was something
that I had never heard before and

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I found it so interesting and I
started following it and I got into it,

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and then the Heaven's Gate got into
like all this androgynois Yeah, if

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they started making people dress androgynous and
men couldn't have beards, women couldn't have

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long hair. Weren't many of the
men castrated that were in Heaven's Gates.

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I believe it was five of them
they got chemically Well it's up in the

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air if they were chemically castrated or
the another where they actually got cut.

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No one really knows, but I
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which was the head of the cult, and five of the followers traveled to

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Mexico and got castrated. Now you
could just do that over the counter in

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America with all the hormone therapies you
can get. You know, it's crazy

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and a little bit ahead at the
time, that exactly. And then as

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a part of the agenda and everything
that he was talking about and how he

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wanted to form and structure everyone and
get everyone on like a regimented schedule where

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they can only have a certain amount
of food at a certain time. They

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all had to dress the same way, they got the same rations, the

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same portions. There was a list
of rules and guidelines that you have to

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follow. You know. He wanted
all the followers to be very robotic.

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He even changed the names of all
of the followers. He changed him to

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Odi, so the last name was
always Ody. Well, he combined the

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first like three letters of their name
along with Odi, so it'd be like

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Ryoty if I was a Heaven's Gate
cult follower. He would have changed my

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name to Ryoti. Now, was
this technically a UFO cult because they believed

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they were going to hop on behind
the comment as it passed by, or

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is it it's kind of its own
thing? I classified as a UFO call

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because the whole premise of what they
talked about was that a ship was going

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to come down and ascend them into
the ship, and then that they would

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then be transformed into an extraterrestrial and
live forever in the level above human.

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Okay, so that was the whole
thing. But then it started to kind

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of fall apart. Whenever Bonnie Nettles
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that was his kind of significant un
there, but not really because they were

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supposedly a sexual. I guess you
can have relationships with that fucking but I

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don't know. It seems weird to
me. Yeah, And whenever she died

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and she didn't ascend up into the
next level above human in an intergalactic spaceship,

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people were like, what's going on
here? What are you doing?

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So then he just started clam down
like hardcore I meet it about like a

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spiritual ascension and started talking about how
we're just vessels and we're like a skin

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suit, and our consciousness is inside
of the skin suit that allows us to

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animate this body and go around.
And then whenever we die, our consciousness,

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our physical body dies, it doesn't
transform into an extraterrestrial and the next

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level evolutionary level above human. Our
physical body dies, but our consciousness goes

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on. So were they expecting her
to make contact and she didn't, They're

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like, hey, what the hell's
going on here? Well, yeah,

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they've been preaching this idea that if
you're a follower of this called and you

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follow their strict guidelines and listen to
what they say, and you believe it

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that you're going to physically ascend into
a spacecraft when you die, then you'll

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be transformed into an immortal extraterrestrial.
So, had she not died, very

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possible that the mass suicide would have
not taken place as it did, maybe

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as soon as it did, or
if at all. Yeah, that's a

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good question. It's a high possibility
that it wouldn't have happened the way that

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it did if she wouldn't have died. But they all change up their beliefs

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and their doctrine when something unexpected occurs
that they can't really explain. They then

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switch it and change it and to
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before, and then they kept the
whole thing going. Like the Order of

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the Solar Temple with Joseph Demambro,
he uh, he got caught faking apparitions

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with smoking mirrors and like freaking all
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was a way to get the initiates
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with the Brotherhood. Right, so
whenever they were doing this Masonic ritualistic initiation

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into their cult, they would they
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one see and then that would solidify
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a devout follower, and then that
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cult. And then he got caught
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was like, hey, ah,
you're just you're you're faking all this stuff,

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and I know that you're faking it. So he then in order to

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cover that up, he started saying
that all of his all the followers were

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very important people. They were all
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is another motif that the Heaven's Gate
Call did as well. He started saying

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that all of the followers of the
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the reincarnation of Jesus Christ himself more
shall away from the Heaven's Gate courts.

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Really he said that, wow,
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were all of his disciples back whenever
he was Jesus, and that body metals

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was Mary Magdalen. Oh, that's
starting to unfamiliar now, and there the

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two from the Book of Revelations.
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another thing to like hook people in, you know, like when one thing

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doesn't work out, they're like,
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this up and change it and work
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lot of big podcasts doing that,
like, yes, oh, this market's

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big now, so I'm to become
this guy and then like you cast a

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wide enough net, you know where
you can get a lot more attention that

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way. And some of it might
be that's the word I'm looking for,

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like legit. I guess like they're
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Christianity right now is really big and
a lot of podcasters are having reawakenings into

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Christianity, and maybe it is genuine. I don't know, but it's kind

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of convenient that you see the whole
Maga movement kind of shifted conspiracy into a

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conservative religious type area where all the
new conspiracy theorists these days are kind of

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in that crowd. So you see
a lot of the big content creators kind

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of making that shift. Yeah,
they've turned into political pundits. Yeah,

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so weird, dude. I don't
know when this switch happened. It had

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to have happened in around two fifteen
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Yeah, and then of course the
Key movie brought in a whole bunch of

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others, but it was already happening
before that. That was kind of that

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I scene on the shit Cake.
Yeah, I'm glad that you recognize that

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because I've seen that as well.
Like, because back whenever I was looking

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into a lot of this stuff,
it was just straight wild and wacky conspiracy

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theories and that was the fun part
of it, Like you knew that a

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lot of it was nonsense, but
it was fun to listen to. None

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of these people are fun to listen
to anymore, Like I don't listen to

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anybody hardly anything. It can be
tough. Yeah, I mean I'll put

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in Joe Rogan because I like Joe
Rogan, like that's really about it.

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And but anybody else, dude,
like I just like I don't get it,

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Like I don't really understand it,
and people can come at me whatever.

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With Joe Rogan, I really don't
care if like I've always listened to

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him. Yeah, I a critical
mind things differently. He actually pulls up

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evidence and people say that you,
oh, he's a sigh op and then

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he's just controlled opposition. Who the
who the fuck cares? Like, I

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really don't care. I think that
what he's putting out is uh is solid

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information, and he tries to verify
that information. He tries to pull it

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up and come to a solid conclusion. Did you what was your take on

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the Terrence Howard stuff? Did you
get into any of that? I didn't

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really get into it. I listened
to it. Yeah, I see it.

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Isaac Weishaup, who even probably was

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on tinfoil hat that he said it. He just, you know, he

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needs to learn to dumb down his
material or else. I'm just gonna think

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he's full of shit, and I
don't think that's always easy for like,

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this guy is a legit genius.
They don't realize that they need to dumb

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down their stuff oftentimes. So I
don't know anyway, Yeah, I think

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that the whole conspiracy movement these days
is there's a lot of pro government inside

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of it, which was antithetical to
everything I ever thought about with conspiracy stuff

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exactly. It went from we never
trust the government, we don't let the

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government tell us what to do.
They're in charge of everything, and now

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being in full swing, full pro
government. It's wild. It's like the

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punk movement now if you remember the
punk movement, like back in the nineties,

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like late eighties into the nineties,
they're like all against government, and

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now they're all for government. Yeah, all of the bring the system down

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bans of the nineties were the ones
that were pushing the vacks the hardest,

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like all of them. That's right, it's wild whenever you think about it,

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and I think you're Ryan and singing
that the QAnon thing kind of pushed

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a lot of people in that direction. It's just really strange. And you

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know, they also with the taking
down of a lot of people's shows and

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the YouTube purging, it's difficult for
new people to really figure out where a

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lot of this stuff started. Like
I was looking for Jim Mars things online

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the other day because I was making
a short video because I mentioned him and

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I wanted to put him in the
short video of the reel, and I

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tapped in Jim Mars on YouTube.
Nothing nothing on Jim Mars. I saw

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you live last night talking about how
you had gone on the hunt for this

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old Alex Jones Joe Rogan clip and
it was almost impossible to find. Like

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I have a lot of similar events
happened where I know I saw this,

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and I never think to back things
up because you don't know what they're going

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to take down. So did you
get affected personally by any of this YouTube

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censorship where big purge. No,
I didn't because I didn't start my channel

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until twenty twenty, and I meet
up all about spirituality. So you made

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it through the whole COVID censorship thing. Yeah, because I didn't mention it.

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I didn't say it. I didn't
talk about it because I wanted to

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be safe with it, because I'm
not going to be a martyr. I

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mean, if people don't know what
was going on with COVID by now,

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they're not going to they don't.
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talking about it now because the people
that already know what's going on already know

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what's going on. The people that
don't know what's going on, they're not

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going to change. No. Yeah, I think very similarly to that.

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Okay, So when we were just
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good segue because we're talking about people
being like, not so much as pro

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government, but they'll actually take the
government's perspective at face value, as such

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as the big disclosure movement that's kind
of recently unfolding before our very eyes,

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to where I don't know, what, do you you could tie that into

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this big sy op that you have
been looking into lately if you can,

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or we could go back even further
than that. I don't know where you

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want to start. Yeah, I
mean we have, like the we've let

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the UFO and the extraterrestrial speculation go
so far out of hand that I personally

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believe that it serves to make people
easily fooled by scammers, drifters, fraudsters

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that really prefer a lie and bring
zero evidence and zero proof to what they're

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talking about. And this could mean
that any group or individual or government could

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use this modern myth of UFOs and
extraterrestrials that could be used to, for

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the lack of a better word,
undermine our society through the deceptiveness missing disinformation

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surrounding UFO. Because when you track
back all this stuff and you really get

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into the weeds on where a lot
of these thoughts and theories, just like

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what I was talking about with the
UFO cults and how that has morphed and

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changed into a lot of the New
Age thoughts and ideas and philosophy. The

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UFO missing disinformation that has come directly
from the government has shaped and molded ufology

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and this current contacta movement really started
with a gentleman named Samuel Eaton Thompson in

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nineteen fifty, and no one talks
about because they've never even heard his name.

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And this is connected also with Kenneth
Arnold. But Samuel Eaton Thompson in

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nineteen fifty claimed that he was driving
in Washington State and he saw a strange

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craft and that there was beings outside
of the children and he walked up to

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the craft. They invited him into
the craft. They told him that they

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were Venetians, that they were vegetarians, that they are here too, they

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just randomly came by Earth, and
that a lot of their other people that

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try to visit Earth, their ships
are shot down by military weapons, but

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somehow they made it, and that
in the year of I believe it was

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the year five thousand. I'd have
to look it up, so don't quote

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me, but the year of five
thousand is when Jesus Christ is supposed to

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return, right, So we got
a while, got a while, We

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got a while to wait, Okay. Jesus isn't coming back for at least

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another three thousand years, Okay,
So don't don't be thinking that this end

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of the world yet. We got
a lot of more lives to go before

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we get to the Jesus Christ return. Right. But no one ever talks

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about these people because the story was
really overshadowed by Kenneth Arno's sightings in nineteen

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forty seven and then later on Betty
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Command cult in nineteen fifty two,
or George King from the Etherist Society cult,

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or Dorothy Martin from the Seekers UFO
called in nineteen fifty four that made

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several predictions that didn't come true.
And she made this prediction that in the

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year of nineteen fifty three, December
twenty third of nineteen fifty three, a

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UFO was going to land and save
us from a big natural disaster that was

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getting ready to happen, and that
we would be saved by this extraterrestrial race.

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So then a psychiatrist infiltrated into the
group and to study their behaviors whenever

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the predictions didn't come true. He
was the actual person that coined the term

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cognitive dissonance. I once heard that
term cognitive dissonance. Well, they don't

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know that it came from a freaking
studying a UFO cult, the Seekert's UFO

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cult, Dorothy Martin from nineteen fifty
four. So all of these supposed you

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know, this contact Tea movement has
brought about a wave of theories and speculations

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that can really be tied to the
rise and the popularization of the extra trestrial

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myth, which is a huge aspect
of ufology that literally no one wants to

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talk about, and it's a huge
issue and it's steeped in mental illness and

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drug addiction and drug abuse right well, and it really starts with Kenneth Arnold,

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which was the first in modern times
to see a UFO, and the

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miss and disinformation and the misquote that
was that Kimi Thornald said that he said

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wasn't really true. See Kimith Thornald
said that he was flying this plane in

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Washington, d C. In nineteen
forty seven. He saw a string of

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craft up to nine I believe it
was, and then he he landed his

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plane in Yakima, Washington. He
talked to some of his friends. His

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friends said, Okay, so you
said Washington, d C. So this

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was Washington State where where he's flying? Okay, I'm sorry, did I

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say? Did I say? Washington? Said DT? And I was kind

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of confused, just because I'd heard
you talk about this on another show.

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So it's Washington sta, I said, That's okay, Washington, No worries.

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I've had a lot of things that
I need to remember, but he's

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Washington State, Okay. So and
it's important to realize that a lot of

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the things that a lot of the
sightings from back in the day, they

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weren't you know, there were shields, there were pillars, there were flying

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chariots. And it's important to talk
about that because I realized the history of

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this stuff because but just because I
don't mention it doesn't mean that I don't

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know about it, right, And
you always have that one person that's like,

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oh, this guy doesn't know what
he's talking about. There's been a

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history of these UFOs way back in
the day. Blah blah blah blah blah,

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and uh, you know he's full
of shit. Well I know about

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all that stuff, but it wasn't
it wasn't flying saucers back then. They

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were seeing something different. And that
gets in the Carl Jung's perspective on what

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UFOs are and how it's like a
projection of what we're going through at that

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time and the things that we know
about and the things that we've experienced.

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So people are out on the battlefield
seeing that I seen a disc in the

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sky or the sun. I mean
there's people back in the day that thought

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that the sun that would come up
was a UFO. They caught it.

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A disc disc comes up in the
morning and then it sets at night,

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you know. And through those times
and through the experiences that these people have

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had, they they correlate something that
they see psychologically in the sky to what's

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going on during their time. Mm
hmm and uh, that's right. But

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back to Kenneth Arnold sod landing in
Yakima, Washington, when I when I

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you have to ask about DC.
Yeah, So he landed in Yakima,

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Washington. He told his friend Al
Baxter about the sighting Arnold and shared a

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story with other pilots. They said
maybe what he had saw was uh,

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you know, military missiles, and
they claimed it maybe it was a military

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craft. And Arnold he wasn't really
he didn't really believe these explanations that these

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other people and his friends and other
pilots were telling him that he saw.

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So the next day he walked into
a news station and told his story to

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a gentleman named Nolan Skiff. Now
Nolan published a short article with the headline

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that said something like impossible but maybe
seeing his believing and the story was then

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forwarded to the Associated Press and then
it got worldwide distribution and from that point,

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the turn Flying Saucer was born.
And when you look at Arnold's testimony,

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which he did a lot of interviews, he did a lot of radio

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shows, he never used the term
flying saucer to describe the shape of the

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craft, right. He said that
the shape was bat shaped, crescent shaped,

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boomerang shape, half moon shaped.
And he said that a lot of

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what people said that he had saw
were misunderstood, like a lot of what

405
00:34:06.640 --> 00:34:12.360
the newspapers in the headlines were creating
the term flying saucer when he said that,

406
00:34:12.400 --> 00:34:15.360
he never said that the shape of
the craft was the flying saucer.

407
00:34:15.360 --> 00:34:17.800
And then he worked very difficult,
really hard up until the end of his

408
00:34:17.880 --> 00:34:22.440
life, I believe, in nineteen
eighty four to really combat the flying saucer

409
00:34:22.519 --> 00:34:27.800
narrative. But the problem is is
it became such a frenzy topic and then

410
00:34:27.880 --> 00:34:30.400
other people started to report seeing the
same thing. See, it just takes

411
00:34:30.519 --> 00:34:36.599
one person to see something really strange
and really weird, and then other people

412
00:34:36.800 --> 00:34:38.599
jump on board and claim that they've
seen the exact same thing. It's kind

413
00:34:38.599 --> 00:34:43.880
of like with Whitley Strieber in his
book Communion with the Gray Aliens. Nobody

414
00:34:43.880 --> 00:34:45.840
talked about gray aliens up until the
point that that book came out, and

415
00:34:45.880 --> 00:34:51.559
same with Bud Hopkins in his book
Missing Time. No one talked about Missing

416
00:34:51.599 --> 00:34:58.719
Time until his book came out on
Missing Time and related what people were experiencing

417
00:35:00.400 --> 00:35:07.320
to UFO abductions to extraterrestrial aductions.
So it just takes one person and it

418
00:35:07.440 --> 00:35:14.360
blow up in order to create this
entire frenzy. And then it doesn't matter

419
00:35:14.360 --> 00:35:16.119
if people saw the same thing or
not. They're going to say that they

420
00:35:16.119 --> 00:35:20.199
saw the same thing. And then
when you get into what was the term

421
00:35:20.280 --> 00:35:25.800
flying saucer before? What was that
used for before nineteen forty seven and Kennethornald

422
00:35:25.800 --> 00:35:30.639
in these newspapers coming down and seeing
the Kennethorno saw the flying saucer at which

423
00:35:30.639 --> 00:35:32.880
I'm going to get into here in
a few minutes, but I don't want

424
00:35:32.880 --> 00:35:42.639
to get off tracks. So the
media took the saucer title and they just

425
00:35:43.039 --> 00:35:47.079
ran with it, and they created
all these headlines saucer shaped craft were spotted

426
00:35:47.119 --> 00:35:52.320
when Arnold literally never referred to the
shape of the craft as saucer and shape

427
00:35:52.719 --> 00:35:54.400
again, it was bat shaped,
crescent shape, moon shape, shaped like

428
00:35:54.400 --> 00:36:00.480
a pie pan, and a pie
pan or a pie plate. And in

429
00:36:00.599 --> 00:36:06.599
nineteen sixty Arnold came out with a
drawing of the craft he saw, and

430
00:36:06.840 --> 00:36:13.239
it's batshaped, circular winged in the
back. And you would think with Arnold

431
00:36:13.559 --> 00:36:16.360
coming out with this drawing of the
craft, it would really stop everyone from

432
00:36:17.039 --> 00:36:22.320
continuing to talk about flying saucers.
But it didn't because too much time had

433
00:36:22.360 --> 00:36:29.719
passed in between him seeing it and
talking about it and then the artist's rendition

434
00:36:30.480 --> 00:36:35.199
coming out. It was just kind
of ignored because the flying saucer talk had

435
00:36:35.239 --> 00:36:38.280
become such a popular thing that there
was no stopping it. It was a

436
00:36:38.280 --> 00:36:43.920
train that was heading for a crash, and there was no stopping that train.

437
00:36:45.039 --> 00:36:52.239
Right. So on April seventh,
nineteen fifty, Arnold spills the beings

438
00:36:52.280 --> 00:36:58.280
on all the flying saucer misrepresentation and
misquote. Arnold said that the objects that

439
00:36:58.320 --> 00:37:05.280
he witnessed fluttered like there were boats
on really rough water, and he said

440
00:37:05.320 --> 00:37:10.400
that they flew. They flew like
a saucer thrown across water. And most

441
00:37:10.440 --> 00:37:16.239
of the newspapers at that time misunderstood
and misquoted him saying that the shape of

442
00:37:16.280 --> 00:37:22.320
the craft was sorcerer in shape.
When Arnold said that they flew like saucer's

443
00:37:22.320 --> 00:37:27.639
thrown across water. They missed this
ten years before he came out with the

444
00:37:27.679 --> 00:37:31.960
grawings. Then, yeah, well
it was Yeah, he came out with

445
00:37:31.960 --> 00:37:38.719
the drawing in I believe nineteen nineteen
sixty. Yes, so he's still like

446
00:37:38.840 --> 00:37:44.159
trying to get this point across after
all this time. That's crazy. Then,

447
00:37:44.239 --> 00:37:46.440
yeah, no one's listening to him. Yeah, he said that they

448
00:37:46.480 --> 00:37:51.559
flew like saucerers skipping across water,
and the headline said that they were saucer

449
00:37:51.559 --> 00:37:58.960
and shape, and that's probably the
the biggest misquote of all time, you

450
00:37:59.000 --> 00:38:06.159
know. And he also claimed the
he had several other signings after that,

451
00:38:06.320 --> 00:38:10.679
which you know, we don't really
know if they were real or not,

452
00:38:10.840 --> 00:38:17.199
because he'd probably seen the public interest
was peaking really big and he wanted to

453
00:38:17.199 --> 00:38:21.280
try and one up himself, as
kind of like making a sequel to a

454
00:38:21.360 --> 00:38:23.920
movie, right, you want to
make the sequel to the movie bigger and

455
00:38:23.960 --> 00:38:29.480
better than the first one, And
that's probably what he was trying to do.

456
00:38:29.559 --> 00:38:31.719
But none of the other signings ever
gained any kind of traction because it

457
00:38:31.719 --> 00:38:36.960
had taken off and other people were
experiencing the same thing. But he also

458
00:38:37.039 --> 00:38:43.159
quoted that what other people were experiencing
at that time were not the same,

459
00:38:43.280 --> 00:38:46.400
or they were nothing at all.
So if people would have just listened to

460
00:38:46.480 --> 00:38:51.000
Kenneth Donald from the beginning, they'd
realize that a lot of the stuff is

461
00:38:51.079 --> 00:38:55.480
nonsense. And then you get into
what the turn flying saucer actually was before

462
00:38:55.519 --> 00:39:00.480
it was associated with UFOs. And
this is a bender because a lot of

463
00:39:00.480 --> 00:39:05.800
people that know about this don't even
know what to think about it. They

464
00:39:07.039 --> 00:39:13.480
it's perplexing. So before it was
associated with UFOs, flying saucers was a

465
00:39:13.519 --> 00:39:19.159
sport. In This sport predated Arnold's
sightings by over sixty years, which was

466
00:39:19.199 --> 00:39:23.360
called trap shooting, which was started
in the late eighteen hundreds as a way

467
00:39:23.400 --> 00:39:28.840
to train hunters and shooters in which
they would release live birds from a cage

468
00:39:29.280 --> 00:39:32.320
use them as target practice, and
then later it was changed to these little

469
00:39:32.440 --> 00:39:38.000
clay flat disc I'm sure that if
people aren't familiar with trap shooting, you've

470
00:39:38.000 --> 00:39:43.360
probably seen it in a movie or
something like an old school movie where you

471
00:39:43.400 --> 00:39:49.360
know, Paul Rich and sophisticated people
would you know, throw up these clay

472
00:39:49.400 --> 00:39:52.519
pigeons and they would have a shotgun
or a gun or whatever and they would

473
00:39:52.920 --> 00:40:00.199
shoot the clay pigeon and explode it. So a man binding the name of

474
00:40:00.280 --> 00:40:07.199
Charles Lewitski in eighteen eighty he was
the one that dubbed these little clay pigeons

475
00:40:07.599 --> 00:40:13.320
flying saucers. I hope you see
where this is going. So by the

476
00:40:13.400 --> 00:40:16.079
early nineteen hundreds, flying saucers,
which are now clay pigeons, have become

477
00:40:19.079 --> 00:40:24.920
a very popular sport. There were
competitions, championships, and there was newspaper

478
00:40:24.920 --> 00:40:30.199
headlines that would say that the skies
of North America are covered in flying saucers,

479
00:40:30.199 --> 00:40:34.880
flying through the air, exploding and
falling to Earth, and they even

480
00:40:34.920 --> 00:40:39.599
look like what the commonly accepted version
of what people think of UFO is.

481
00:40:42.400 --> 00:40:46.679
Yes, the exact replica of the
phrases that everyone thought several decades later with

482
00:40:46.800 --> 00:40:52.639
Kenneth Arnold sing the Roswell siding and
the sightings in the fifties. There's no

483
00:40:52.679 --> 00:40:59.440
way that that's just a coincidence,
right, And it would explain the need

484
00:40:59.679 --> 00:41:05.800
for the media machine to keep on
track with the description of flying sascers,

485
00:41:05.840 --> 00:41:10.000
because clearly there's some intent behind this
to we're already seated, our minds are

486
00:41:10.000 --> 00:41:16.199
already seated with these things. And
once you like predictive or you program somebody

487
00:41:17.280 --> 00:41:22.599
that is yeah, you just accept
it a lot easier. And like you

488
00:41:22.639 --> 00:41:29.760
said, the imagery is just spot
on. It is unbelievable. And by

489
00:41:29.960 --> 00:41:34.239
the nineteen hundreds, the named flying
saucerers. By the early nineteen hundreds,

490
00:41:34.239 --> 00:41:38.679
it had become such a commonplace name. It had been being used for over

491
00:41:38.719 --> 00:41:45.039
two decades, the support of flying
saucers. Now it became so popular it

492
00:41:45.079 --> 00:41:51.880
was even adopted by the Olympics in
nineteen sixteen. And then, now,

493
00:41:52.039 --> 00:41:55.119
let me ask you, did they
change the name of the original flying saucer

494
00:41:55.239 --> 00:41:59.559
to clay pigeon after Kinnethernoald's story because
it was just like, well, we

495
00:41:59.599 --> 00:42:02.840
can't call playing sass anymore. Well, it kind of it fell out of

496
00:42:02.880 --> 00:42:08.599
favor whenever the military adopted it to
train their soldiers in target practice in the

497
00:42:08.599 --> 00:42:15.440
beginning of World War two. Okay, so whenever America got involved in World

498
00:42:15.480 --> 00:42:22.440
War two, which I think is
nineteen forty two, somewhere around in there.

499
00:42:22.480 --> 00:42:24.159
I think it's nineteen forty two or
nineteen forty. It was late,

500
00:42:24.440 --> 00:42:31.039
we entered the war, really late. But the Air Force adopted the clay

501
00:42:31.119 --> 00:42:35.880
pigeons, which were called flying saucers, and then that fell out of favor

502
00:42:35.920 --> 00:42:40.400
within the public. People stopped,
people stopped doing it because the military took

503
00:42:40.400 --> 00:42:47.280
it over. And then with Kenneth
Arnold's sightings two years after the war ends

504
00:42:47.360 --> 00:42:57.559
in nineteen forty five, then it
gets a rebrand into these into flying saucers

505
00:42:57.719 --> 00:43:02.480
that are supposedly piloted by extra trestrials, right, And I mean, we

506
00:43:02.519 --> 00:43:07.320
can't discount the food fighter program that
the Germans supposedly had going on. So

507
00:43:07.400 --> 00:43:12.480
it just made me think of that
when you're training people to shoot flying saucers

508
00:43:12.519 --> 00:43:15.239
in the military, And I know, like we could go down all sorts

509
00:43:15.239 --> 00:43:20.519
of crazy rabbit holes with the whole
food fighter program and the Antarctica and all

510
00:43:20.599 --> 00:43:24.440
that, but that's that's another show. Yeah, So we have this,

511
00:43:24.800 --> 00:43:30.480
We have the clay pigeons being called
flying saucers since nineteen eighty, hundreds and

512
00:43:30.559 --> 00:43:35.239
thousands of people being familiar with that
term but related to something different. The

513
00:43:35.280 --> 00:43:39.400
military adopted the term, and in
the early forties, during World War Two,

514
00:43:40.559 --> 00:43:45.639
two years after the war ended,
we get the same term but under

515
00:43:45.679 --> 00:43:49.960
a different context, you know.
And it's important for me to also lay

516
00:43:50.280 --> 00:43:58.679
outdated this book by a gentleman named
Chris Allback that I got a lot of

517
00:43:58.679 --> 00:44:00.400
this information from. I've had them
on show a couple of times now.

518
00:44:00.559 --> 00:44:07.000
But the name of his book is
Sorcerers. You find it on Amazon's by

519
00:44:07.159 --> 00:44:14.760
Sorcerers by Chris Albeck, and he
outlines all this in great detail. He

520
00:44:14.840 --> 00:44:20.239
shows you all the newspaper articles,
how big, how popular of a sport

521
00:44:20.960 --> 00:44:25.679
this flying saucers was from back in
the late eighteen hundreds. It shows you

522
00:44:27.320 --> 00:44:32.760
news headlines how similar the disc are
to that, And I just want to

523
00:44:32.760 --> 00:44:39.199
give him a shout out for that
information. So really, what we have

524
00:44:39.360 --> 00:44:49.760
here is that the entire subject of
ufology is based on something that's a fallacy.

525
00:44:51.320 --> 00:44:55.920
And ufology has been used in the
shape of a round disc when it

526
00:44:57.000 --> 00:45:01.920
was never described by Arnold as a
disc or flying. So so that means

527
00:45:01.920 --> 00:45:07.400
that we've had the shape of this
craft wrong for essentially seventy seven years.

528
00:45:08.360 --> 00:45:13.239
And I mean it's been reiterated in
the culture, the pop culture, the

529
00:45:13.280 --> 00:45:16.800
fiction. Steven Spielberg's ran with it. I mean you think of his alien

530
00:45:16.880 --> 00:45:23.280
craft and yeah, yeah, the
flying social mythology. It's a lie,

531
00:45:24.440 --> 00:45:32.480
it's a fallacy, it's a misnomer, and it's a misinterpreted misquote from newspaper

532
00:45:32.639 --> 00:45:40.679
reporters, the media, journalists and
researchers, and still the most popular symbol

533
00:45:40.719 --> 00:45:45.320
of uphology, even though it's not
really called flying saucers anymore. I mean

534
00:45:46.559 --> 00:45:51.320
a few people they were trying to
bring back the term, I don't know,

535
00:45:51.599 --> 00:45:53.519
a couple of months ago, whenever
I started really getting in, I

536
00:45:53.599 --> 00:45:59.119
seeing Jeremy Corbell and a few other
people started calling them flying saucerers. Again.

537
00:46:00.159 --> 00:46:07.440
Uh, it's a lie. That's
never what they look like. Yeah.

538
00:46:07.519 --> 00:46:10.639
Now, so we went from UFOs
and flying sausters to UAPs and tic

539
00:46:10.719 --> 00:46:16.639
TACs. That's in like a span
of eighty years or whatever. Now it's

540
00:46:16.639 --> 00:46:21.480
getting ready to shift again. That's
getting ready to shift in the us OS.

541
00:46:21.960 --> 00:46:23.320
Uh huh, I heard you talking
about this. So this is coming

542
00:46:23.360 --> 00:46:28.440
out of the ocean. Yes,
and that's going to be the new thing.

543
00:46:28.480 --> 00:46:32.880
Everybody's going to be talking about aliens
or not from outside of our our

544
00:46:34.280 --> 00:46:40.480
atmosphere from Yeah, that's what the
that's the new thing. Harvard scientists already

545
00:46:40.480 --> 00:46:45.920
came out with an article a couple
of days ago talking about that they're not

546
00:46:45.039 --> 00:46:51.159
from outer space, they're an ancient
civilization from the planet. Well, now

547
00:46:51.159 --> 00:46:55.960
we can get the flat earthers on
board again with the aliens. I mean,

548
00:46:57.360 --> 00:47:01.440
but that's a that's a common thing
when because that's something that's been talked

549
00:47:01.440 --> 00:47:05.679
about for a really long time too, but never really put too much credence

550
00:47:05.679 --> 00:47:10.000
into it, because people want to
believe that we're not the only species in

551
00:47:10.039 --> 00:47:15.519
the universe. But they've heard that
before a lot of people have talked about

552
00:47:15.519 --> 00:47:20.280
that before that, and but just
in a different way, right, they're

553
00:47:20.320 --> 00:47:23.880
like, oh, well, they're
here, they've always been here. There's

554
00:47:23.960 --> 00:47:30.480
alien human hybrids, they're among us, they're walking amongst us, you know.

555
00:47:30.559 --> 00:47:35.880
So that was set up for what's
about to happen with this USO push,

556
00:47:36.320 --> 00:47:44.119
with the cryptoterrestrial push, because people
are tired of not seeing any evidence

557
00:47:44.199 --> 00:47:47.119
or not seeing any proof, so
they have to change it just slightly,

558
00:47:47.199 --> 00:47:52.239
exactly like what I was talking about
with the cults earlier on conversation. When

559
00:47:53.599 --> 00:47:58.800
their predictions and their things that they're
talking about doesn't come to fruition, we'll

560
00:47:58.800 --> 00:48:02.320
start getting tired of it not happening. They have to change slight. And

561
00:48:02.360 --> 00:48:06.400
I saw the I think it might
have been a conversation you were having with

562
00:48:06.440 --> 00:48:09.760
somebody actually a while back about Elon
Musk saying that, Yeah, we've got

563
00:48:09.800 --> 00:48:13.760
all these satellites up there, and
we've never had to veer around any kind

564
00:48:13.760 --> 00:48:16.679
of craft or anything on its way
down here. So I don't think aliens

565
00:48:16.719 --> 00:48:20.719
are out there. And it's like, you know that guy, he's the

566
00:48:20.760 --> 00:48:22.199
tip of the spear when it goes
to a lot of the way we shift

567
00:48:22.239 --> 00:48:25.800
these things. And also it made
me think of James Cameron, who's a

568
00:48:25.800 --> 00:48:30.280
big purveyor of all the mythology.
I mean, you get your AI stuff,

569
00:48:30.320 --> 00:48:34.039
he's on alien stuff. But he
made the movie The Abyss in the

570
00:48:34.119 --> 00:48:40.079
eighties, which was about alien activity
under the ocean. And yeah, that's

571
00:48:40.119 --> 00:48:47.280
where it's gonna shift because it has
to because you can't really go any further

572
00:48:47.440 --> 00:48:53.079
with outer space aliens. And even
these guys that are were doing the to

573
00:48:53.119 --> 00:48:59.679
get back to Grush, that were
doing the congressional hearings, do they specifically

574
00:48:59.719 --> 00:49:04.039
sit this is from outer space?
They could just hop on this USO thing

575
00:49:04.280 --> 00:49:07.079
that you're talking about around the corner. They don't. I don't think that

576
00:49:07.920 --> 00:49:16.559
either Captain Fraverer or Ryan Graves really
ever mentioned that they're from outer space.

577
00:49:17.159 --> 00:49:22.000
Right now? What they do say, which is what they always say,

578
00:49:22.039 --> 00:49:28.119
and what they've always said from going
back twenty thirty years, which is what

579
00:49:28.159 --> 00:49:32.880
they've said from Project blue Book,
Project Grudge, and all those other governmental

580
00:49:32.920 --> 00:49:38.760
projects to investigate UFOs. They've been
seeing the same thing forever now, that

581
00:49:40.119 --> 00:49:46.760
the craft outmaneuver their craft, that
we don't know what it is because it

582
00:49:46.840 --> 00:49:52.880
moves at speeds it does maneuvers that
we don't know of any current technology that

583
00:49:53.039 --> 00:49:58.559
can do this. They mess with
our radar. That's been the stance that

584
00:49:58.599 --> 00:50:01.840
they've had since the beginning of all
this. They've literally been seeing the exact

585
00:50:01.920 --> 00:50:10.920
same thing this entire time. Nothing
has changed, and people still don't get

586
00:50:10.960 --> 00:50:17.800
it. And then they say,
oh, well, after each one of

587
00:50:17.800 --> 00:50:23.159
the big events, there's normally like
a military official that comes out, normally

588
00:50:23.239 --> 00:50:28.840
someone from the Air Force. It's
like it was definitely done. After the

589
00:50:28.960 --> 00:50:34.760
Washington flap event of nineteen fifty two, they have an Air Force official come

590
00:50:34.760 --> 00:50:37.320
out and say, oh, well, we don't have any reason to believe

591
00:50:37.360 --> 00:50:43.719
that this has anything to do with
extra trash trips. They're telling you right

592
00:50:43.760 --> 00:50:49.079
to your face that it's not extra
trash triols. That only leaves one other

593
00:50:49.159 --> 00:50:54.400
option the craft is real, which
I think that it is, and it's

594
00:50:54.440 --> 00:51:00.320
not extraterrestriels. It's not extraterrestrials.
That only leaves one other option. You

595
00:51:00.400 --> 00:51:07.199
only got one other thing, and
that's that it's human, that is human

596
00:51:07.280 --> 00:51:12.920
craft, that it's a military craft, and they've been trying to cover that

597
00:51:13.039 --> 00:51:16.599
up for a really long time,
and that gets God, what do you

598
00:51:16.599 --> 00:51:22.639
think of bob Blezar then, because
he's one of these guys who to bring

599
00:51:22.679 --> 00:51:25.079
back Rogan. You know, he
kind of broke the Internet with his stuff,

600
00:51:25.239 --> 00:51:31.400
and it just to me seems like
he's one of those guys that maybe

601
00:51:32.960 --> 00:51:37.280
really honest about what he saw but
was misled in a way, or maybe

602
00:51:37.320 --> 00:51:43.159
he's full of shit, but he's
making it sound like this can't be human

603
00:51:43.199 --> 00:51:46.119
from things that he saw and these
elements that are undiscovered and stuff like that.

604
00:51:46.199 --> 00:51:50.280
But then again, did he really
say that? Where am I just

605
00:51:50.360 --> 00:51:57.559
left with that impression? That's an
important question. I think that it's a

606
00:51:57.599 --> 00:52:07.119
possibility that babble Zar dude see something. He was shown something, But again,

607
00:52:07.239 --> 00:52:15.559
people are showing things not given any
explanation for them, so that they'll

608
00:52:16.360 --> 00:52:22.559
go out into the public and talk
about it and speculative, speculatory discussion about

609
00:52:22.599 --> 00:52:28.719
it and theorize about it, which
then gets everybody on board with those theories

610
00:52:28.719 --> 00:52:34.559
and those speculations. Because he even
knew that, he was showing his friends

611
00:52:34.599 --> 00:52:37.519
like, oh, you know,
I'm going to take you to the edge

612
00:52:37.519 --> 00:52:39.079
of the desert and we're going to
watch these flings. They caught him.

613
00:52:39.360 --> 00:52:42.559
I don't know if he used the
term flying sass. He's God damn it

614
00:52:42.559 --> 00:52:45.440
almost didn't, but he saw these
craft and he would show his friends,

615
00:52:45.480 --> 00:52:47.639
and they caught him right, and
they said, oh, you know,

616
00:52:47.760 --> 00:52:52.480
slap on the wrists, don't do
this again. So yeah, they want

617
00:52:52.559 --> 00:52:57.039
him to tell people, Yeah,
that's what happened. And one thing that's

618
00:52:57.079 --> 00:53:07.519
really interesting is that I remember Babazar
mentioning within his story that he was under

619
00:53:07.519 --> 00:53:13.760
the impression that at least one of
the craft that he saw was dug up

620
00:53:13.760 --> 00:53:19.159
in an archaeological dig, which makes
a lot of sense to me because everyone

621
00:53:19.159 --> 00:53:21.840
wants to talk about oh, crasher, trible crasher trieble. This is a

622
00:53:21.840 --> 00:53:24.079
crash re trieble. We've seen it. It fell from the sky. We

623
00:53:24.119 --> 00:53:29.639
went and investigated another country, seen
it on radar, and came out and

624
00:53:29.679 --> 00:53:31.679
found it and we went and picked
it up and reverse engineered it. And

625
00:53:31.679 --> 00:53:35.400
that's how we came out with these
crafts. That doesn't have to be the

626
00:53:35.400 --> 00:53:43.239
case. See, they do double
speak, and they they hide definitions for

627
00:53:43.360 --> 00:53:51.519
words within other words. Crash retrieble
doesn't mean what doesn't have to mean that

628
00:53:51.599 --> 00:53:55.199
it happened in modern times like me
and you picked up right now. We

629
00:53:55.239 --> 00:54:02.960
went to Iraq, right or we
went to Afghanistan or somewhere in the Middle

630
00:54:02.960 --> 00:54:08.159
East, Syria, So we went
down to the Syrian desert and we decided

631
00:54:08.159 --> 00:54:14.599
to take a team of archaeologists with
this. We escavate all this stuff.

632
00:54:15.159 --> 00:54:22.760
We find something that is strange,
seems like a technology. It's in the

633
00:54:22.760 --> 00:54:28.840
shape of some sort of craft that
is a crash retrieval. Doesn't matter how

634
00:54:28.920 --> 00:54:34.800
much time has passed in between finding
the thing and when it came down,

635
00:54:35.679 --> 00:54:42.559
it's still a crash retrieval. So
that's what I think. If the crash

636
00:54:42.599 --> 00:54:49.719
retrieval stuff, if it's not just
completely made up, then they found it

637
00:54:49.800 --> 00:54:57.719
in archaeological digs, and it's from
a previous civilization back who knows how long

638
00:54:57.760 --> 00:55:02.000
ago, So we could be reversed
engineering ancient technology, ancient human technology,

639
00:55:02.039 --> 00:55:09.119
is what you're saying. Yes,
okay, because I this this just opens

640
00:55:09.199 --> 00:55:15.000
up a whole other can of worms, because you get this thing in sci

641
00:55:15.039 --> 00:55:19.760
fi that's really common, and it's
that the aliens are us from the future.

642
00:55:20.119 --> 00:55:23.119
But but yeah, us from the
past is a whole new spin on

643
00:55:23.199 --> 00:55:30.119
that. I think that that is
way more plausible than extraterrestrials coming from outer

644
00:55:30.199 --> 00:55:37.360
space and time traveling, time traveling
or somehow being a very advanced civilization but

645
00:55:37.440 --> 00:55:42.679
then somehow crashing. It never made
any sense to me at all, Like

646
00:55:43.360 --> 00:55:49.920
they're highly sophisticated, advanced species that
is able to travel a vast distance,

647
00:55:51.440 --> 00:55:54.199
but then you get to Earth and
you crash your craft. Yeah, they

648
00:55:54.280 --> 00:55:58.639
just they know they were They're coming
in on fumes, they've been drinking the

649
00:55:58.679 --> 00:56:01.719
whole way, and they just couldn't
keep the craft straight once they got through.

650
00:56:01.920 --> 00:56:05.480
Yeah, that doesn't mean I'd never
thought of it like that. It's

651
00:56:05.519 --> 00:56:12.199
funny, but I mean that makes
sense if you're taking the consideration how many

652
00:56:12.239 --> 00:56:17.320
times I was some sort of civilization
been here. How advanced were they?

653
00:56:20.400 --> 00:56:23.159
You know, because when people think
of an advanced civilization, they don't think

654
00:56:23.199 --> 00:56:28.119
of it in the right terms.
They think of an advanced civilization I was

655
00:56:28.199 --> 00:56:31.400
on the same trajectory that we're currently
on, but doesn't have to be the

656
00:56:31.440 --> 00:56:37.920
case. It can be a completely
different kind of advanced civilization, and that

657
00:56:37.960 --> 00:56:43.079
would explain it an element that we
had never seen before, making it if

658
00:56:43.079 --> 00:56:49.440
it was a crash retrieval from that
long ago that Yeah, sorry, I

659
00:56:49.480 --> 00:56:52.639
was just thinking out loud, basically, because once you think of it like

660
00:56:52.679 --> 00:56:55.599
that, what you just said about
it just being from way back then,

661
00:56:57.880 --> 00:57:00.719
everything falls in line, really and
you wouldn't be able to figure it out

662
00:57:00.880 --> 00:57:08.519
because I guarantee. Let's just fast
forward two hundred years into the future,

663
00:57:08.559 --> 00:57:14.400
right now, let's take a vision
quest to two hundred years in the future.

664
00:57:15.719 --> 00:57:19.880
Do you think any of this shit's
going to work? Of course not.

665
00:57:20.079 --> 00:57:25.000
Yeah, Like everything that we have
right now is going to be obsolete.

666
00:57:27.599 --> 00:57:29.920
No one's going to know how to
work any of this stuff. If

667
00:57:29.960 --> 00:57:34.159
someone finds a freaking iPhone two hundred
years in the future, they're going to

668
00:57:34.199 --> 00:57:38.880
be like, what is this?
I don't know what this is. One.

669
00:57:38.960 --> 00:57:45.199
We don't have the we don't have
the adapters to be able to freaking

670
00:57:45.239 --> 00:57:49.239
even plug it into anything. And
you can see the evidence of this just

671
00:57:49.320 --> 00:57:55.000
in the past twenty five years.
Start out with floppy disk, store your

672
00:57:55.079 --> 00:58:02.519
data on in your computer, or
play or put documents on or whatever.

673
00:58:04.360 --> 00:58:08.159
Now no one uses floppy disk.
If you had a floppy disk right now

674
00:58:08.199 --> 00:58:15.119
that had top secret information on it, good luck, I'm not going to

675
00:58:15.159 --> 00:58:20.119
be able to use it. It's
obsolete. No one even has a floppy

676
00:58:20.119 --> 00:58:24.840
disk drive anymore. And that's just
twenty five years ago. So the way

677
00:58:24.880 --> 00:58:35.679
that our technology is progressing at such
a rapid rate, things that first came

678
00:58:35.719 --> 00:58:39.800
out are no longer usable. So
imagine two hundred years in the future,

679
00:58:40.800 --> 00:58:45.960
how technologically advanced things are going to
be. The things that we're using now,

680
00:58:47.239 --> 00:58:53.840
when in even thirty years from now
is going to be obsolete. This

681
00:58:53.880 --> 00:58:58.360
stuff's going to be like a dinosaur. Your computer is going to be a

682
00:58:58.400 --> 00:59:05.320
dinosaur. Well, and it makes
me wonder if Elon has his way and

683
00:59:05.599 --> 00:59:12.480
the majority of the population chip up, then yeah, physical devices are going

684
00:59:12.559 --> 00:59:15.760
to be just like what you're talking
about with storage. Most people do store

685
00:59:15.800 --> 00:59:21.159
on the cloud now, I mean
your everyday man pictures all that stuff,

686
00:59:21.239 --> 00:59:24.920
so it's on a physical server somewhere. But yeah, it's just going to

687
00:59:25.000 --> 00:59:30.079
be pretty obsolete, especially if he
does get his chips and heads and you

688
00:59:30.199 --> 00:59:34.360
are the device at that point.
So yeah, these things are going to

689
00:59:34.440 --> 00:59:38.079
be I don't know, you're saying
thirty years, that's pretty plausible that we

690
00:59:38.079 --> 00:59:42.599
won't even have smartphones by then.
Well, I mean that's been the whole

691
00:59:42.599 --> 00:59:52.559
setup from you know, the transgender
LGBTQ stuff, from transgender to transhuman.

692
00:59:53.000 --> 00:59:57.960
That's exactly right. That's what it
is, that's the agenda, that's what

693
00:59:58.000 --> 01:00:01.519
it's all about. Yeah, I
wondered why Tavistock has been pushing this shit

694
01:00:01.639 --> 01:00:07.760
since like the fucking way before David
Bowie even you know where you got in.

695
01:00:07.880 --> 01:00:12.039
That androgen is pushed kind of like
a soft entrance into where we are

696
01:00:12.079 --> 01:00:20.159
today and in twenty years whenever,
all the kids that have been brainwashed in

697
01:00:20.199 --> 01:00:22.920
these public schools and told that they
can be whatever they want, they can

698
01:00:23.000 --> 01:00:29.440
identify as whatever they want, and
that is acceptable to change their gender and

699
01:00:29.840 --> 01:00:34.400
be a male if they're a female, or be a female if they're male.

700
01:00:36.360 --> 01:00:44.559
When it comes time to introduce cybernetics
onto the human population, it'll be

701
01:00:44.639 --> 01:00:47.599
easy. Well, it'll be preferable
to a lot of these people who have

702
01:00:49.639 --> 01:00:55.039
chemically castrated themselves and they're now asexual
because of the hormone replacements that they all

703
01:00:55.039 --> 01:01:01.239
went through. It's going to look
better to be like a digital being and

704
01:01:01.360 --> 01:01:07.599
your body's just fucking shot now,
So why not that? And they've gotten

705
01:01:07.000 --> 01:01:13.039
they would have gotten around all of
the laws m to do that, because

706
01:01:13.079 --> 01:01:20.199
now in some states and in some
places, kids don't even have to have

707
01:01:20.280 --> 01:01:28.519
their parents' permission to start some sort
of uh transitioning process and some states that

708
01:01:28.760 --> 01:01:30.760
the parents can get the kids taken
away from the myth. They are on

709
01:01:30.800 --> 01:01:37.920
board with that, that's right.
So they're you're super usurping all the laws

710
01:01:37.000 --> 01:01:44.159
right now, skirting around it,
finding a back door. So whenever those

711
01:01:44.239 --> 01:01:47.159
kids are old enough, they're going
to be like, oh, yeah,

712
01:01:49.000 --> 01:01:52.719
don't you want to bring chip and
pland don't you want to be don't you

713
01:01:52.760 --> 01:02:00.199
want to be telepathic? They don't
you want to freaking cyborg arm? You

714
01:02:00.199 --> 01:02:04.039
know, Oh, we don't have
a liver transplant for you, but what

715
01:02:04.079 --> 01:02:08.679
we do have is a cybernetic liver
that we can put in you that will

716
01:02:08.719 --> 01:02:17.440
work even better than a real liver. And that's what Because I did a

717
01:02:17.480 --> 01:02:23.079
show the other day with the lady
Lauren Anton and I was searching for this

718
01:02:23.159 --> 01:02:28.760
Alicge Jones clip that you were mentioning
earlier that was very difficult to find.

719
01:02:29.000 --> 01:02:31.719
And I listened to that entire interview, the entire five hour conversation. It's

720
01:02:31.719 --> 01:02:38.159
an incredible conversation between Alixe Jones and
Joe Rogan. But he was talking about

721
01:02:38.159 --> 01:02:50.079
how his dad was involved in this
DARPA program to create cyborgs, human cyborgs

722
01:02:51.320 --> 01:02:57.039
and this is this would have been
jones father. Yes, yeah, And

723
01:02:57.199 --> 01:03:00.840
that always stuck with me, like
whenever I heard that. I heard that

724
01:03:00.920 --> 01:03:05.800
in twenty nineteen as soon as it
came out, and I'd always put that

725
01:03:05.880 --> 01:03:08.519
in the back of my head.
I was like, huh, it's really

726
01:03:09.480 --> 01:03:15.239
the same episode where he was talking
about Kaimas with the human pig hybrids too,

727
01:03:15.280 --> 01:03:19.559
and then yes, that episode is
the one that you met. It's

728
01:03:19.599 --> 01:03:23.440
not really pushed they was. They're
everything he said. Joe was making Jamie

729
01:03:23.480 --> 01:03:29.119
pull it up like and then the
guy that was given the Democrat that was

730
01:03:29.119 --> 01:03:32.159
talking about like abortions after the kids
born. It was one of the most

731
01:03:32.199 --> 01:03:37.400
provocative episodes they've done together. So
that's that makes sense why you couldn't find

732
01:03:37.440 --> 01:03:44.760
it. I tried to type.
I typed in the entire title because I

733
01:03:44.760 --> 01:03:47.320
I went to YouTube. I tried
to type in Joe Rogan, Alex Jones.

734
01:03:47.360 --> 01:03:51.320
Only two of them popped up.
I searched and searched and searched,

735
01:03:51.320 --> 01:03:53.639
but I didn't have the name of
the episode to be able to type in.

736
01:03:53.719 --> 01:04:00.440
I just remembered them doing it even
try then, I when I found

737
01:04:00.440 --> 01:04:04.039
out the name of the episode,
I even tried to type it in to

738
01:04:04.119 --> 01:04:10.199
YouTube. It didn't pop up,
didn't come up. There they're suppressing the

739
01:04:10.280 --> 01:04:16.719
shit out of that entire episode.
But then when I typed it into Google,

740
01:04:17.840 --> 01:04:23.960
it was the first thing that popped
up. So I had to have

741
01:04:24.000 --> 01:04:31.400
the title. The name title,
which is Joe Rogan Experience Alex Jones returns.

742
01:04:32.559 --> 01:04:36.800
You have to type that into Google
then it'll pop up. Don't try

743
01:04:36.800 --> 01:04:41.920
typing it into YouTube. It won't
come up unless my search engine is just

744
01:04:42.159 --> 01:04:44.880
super wacky. But I don't think
that that was the case, because I

745
01:04:44.920 --> 01:04:50.199
tried to rephrase the Google search at
least ten times to try and find it.

746
01:04:50.239 --> 01:04:58.159
I even typed in the dialogue because
I had remembered exactly what Alex Jones

747
01:04:58.199 --> 01:05:08.119
said in the end with Joe Rogan
didn't pop up, so they really want

748
01:05:08.159 --> 01:05:15.400
that episode hidden in. That line
with him talking about his dad working on

749
01:05:15.480 --> 01:05:20.320
cyborgs was really a throwaway line,
and but it always just stuck with me.

750
01:05:20.400 --> 01:05:25.800
I was like, no one really, no one really made any comments

751
01:05:25.840 --> 01:05:29.599
on that, you know, but
that explains a lot and the agenda of

752
01:05:30.559 --> 01:05:33.480
what they were trying to push because
everything is dual use, and the way

753
01:05:33.480 --> 01:05:35.920
that Nilie Jones talked about it,
he was like, they were using it

754
01:05:35.960 --> 01:05:44.320
for military purposes, right, they
were creating these human cyborgs to infiltrate into

755
01:05:44.840 --> 01:05:48.519
other countries, which made sense because
I would have been at the I don't

756
01:05:48.559 --> 01:05:51.960
know how old Alex Jones is,
but it probably at least would have been

757
01:05:51.960 --> 01:05:57.280
at the end of the Cold War. Yeah. They say he's born in

758
01:05:57.360 --> 01:06:02.239
seventy three, so yeah, and
his dad wasn't his dad like a dentist

759
01:06:02.360 --> 01:06:10.199
or something who's had all these crazy
CIA connections and DARPA connections. Yeah,

760
01:06:10.239 --> 01:06:15.239
so, I mean the seventies was
during the Cold War wall Yeah, Yeah,

761
01:06:15.480 --> 01:06:17.519
I mean it's so it makes sense
that they would want to create these

762
01:06:17.599 --> 01:06:26.840
human cyborgs go and infiltrate into other
countries and then bring back information. So

763
01:06:26.880 --> 01:06:34.199
and then it turned into well,
we'll just put these human cyborgs out in

764
01:06:34.280 --> 01:06:40.880
the public. Yeah. I remember
Burmis, Jason Burmas was talking a while

765
01:06:40.920 --> 01:06:45.000
back about how everything neurallink can do
that they're excited about, you can do

766
01:06:45.079 --> 01:06:49.480
with the wearables, but they want
it in you for a reason, Like

767
01:06:49.719 --> 01:06:53.960
it can't just be something you can
take off like a shirt at the end

768
01:06:54.000 --> 01:06:57.119
of the day. They've got to
have it in you to get their jinda

769
01:06:57.239 --> 01:07:00.480
through. And I always thought that
was pretty interest because didn't they I think

770
01:07:00.519 --> 01:07:05.679
they've just recently put it in a
paralyzed veteran and he's playing chess now or

771
01:07:05.679 --> 01:07:11.119
some shit. The big thing with
neuralink, and I keep seeing stories like

772
01:07:11.239 --> 01:07:15.360
maybe it failed, but it's hard
to keep up with it to kind of

773
01:07:15.400 --> 01:07:18.320
just keep it right on the periphery
right now. Well, that's another thing

774
01:07:18.320 --> 01:07:26.239
that they do, is they they
use certain people as like a like a

775
01:07:26.239 --> 01:07:30.880
patsy for the technology to be released
when they've had it for a really long

776
01:07:30.920 --> 01:07:33.440
time. But yeah, they just
give it to somebody that's a public figure

777
01:07:33.519 --> 01:07:36.159
and make it seem like they're the
ones that created it. I mean,

778
01:07:36.159 --> 01:07:41.039
he's brought us so much that he
didn't create I love looking at Delon's past

779
01:07:41.079 --> 01:07:45.880
because he's famous for buying into companies
that have already got their main product out

780
01:07:45.960 --> 01:07:49.480
and then he rewrites the history of
the company. He started that shit with

781
01:07:49.840 --> 01:07:54.920
Paipal, and the formula has been
repeated. SpaceX is really the only thing

782
01:07:54.960 --> 01:07:59.199
that he built from the ground up
out of all his major stuff. And

783
01:07:59.719 --> 01:08:02.880
that's got to tell you something too, that SpaceX is his baby. So

784
01:08:03.679 --> 01:08:09.320
yeah, absolutely, yeah, I
mean that's that's the way that And when

785
01:08:09.320 --> 01:08:16.000
you look at you remember that story
of the lady on the plane that oh,

786
01:08:16.119 --> 01:08:23.439
that motherfucker is not real, that
brings in a completely different Is that

787
01:08:23.479 --> 01:08:27.760
not what you're talking about? That's
what I'm talking about, Okay, h

788
01:08:29.800 --> 01:08:34.760
I always kind of believed her.
I don't know why. She doesn't seem

789
01:08:34.800 --> 01:08:41.640
to be faking it. She looks
like she's hammered and terrified. I always

790
01:08:41.680 --> 01:08:45.720
thought that one was Well, it's
like what you were talking about. When

791
01:08:45.760 --> 01:08:50.399
you put an idea into the you
know, collective, then it starts repeating.

792
01:08:50.479 --> 01:08:54.840
I remember after that woman's video came
out, you start seeing it in

793
01:08:54.960 --> 01:09:00.880
like Asian airplanes, like people freaking
out saying I'm from the something parallel dimension

794
01:09:00.960 --> 01:09:04.079
and it's all going to collapse right
now. And it's just like on Twitter,

795
01:09:04.600 --> 01:09:08.199
there's like one of those videos a
week for a while after her,

796
01:09:08.439 --> 01:09:13.439
So it kind of it was a
trend. And that's what they do with

797
01:09:15.399 --> 01:09:20.680
things that were real from the beginning. So then they tack on a bunch

798
01:09:20.720 --> 01:09:27.279
of made up nonsense garbage to make
it look like it's all made up nonsense

799
01:09:27.319 --> 01:09:34.119
garbage. Yeah, muddy the waters. That's a tactic that is that is

800
01:09:34.239 --> 01:09:39.600
used all the time, but they
they do it for everything, and sometimes

801
01:09:39.600 --> 01:09:45.399
they can even know something real might
happen before that, so then they put

802
01:09:45.399 --> 01:09:47.239
out a bunch of fake information before
the real thing comes out. So it

803
01:09:47.239 --> 01:09:54.359
works both ways. Now, what
do you think about Dwight D. Eisenhower

804
01:09:54.399 --> 01:09:59.159
and the legend around that deal that
he supposedly made. What do you think

805
01:09:59.239 --> 01:10:02.880
is behind that? Well, then
gets into the whole Paul Benowitz affair and

806
01:10:02.920 --> 01:10:09.079
the missing disinformation that was given directly
to Paul Benowitz in the late sixties,

807
01:10:09.119 --> 01:10:15.600
and then I mean the late late
seventies, nineteen seventy nine. Sorry,

808
01:10:15.600 --> 01:10:16.960
I guess so much stuff in my
head. I'm sorry if I mess up

809
01:10:17.039 --> 01:10:21.760
some dates or times or names or
whatever. And We'll give you some leeway

810
01:10:21.880 --> 01:10:30.119
if you're within ten years. Yeah, I'm normally way more spot on,

811
01:10:30.199 --> 01:10:34.319
but I had just woken up an
hour before we started this show, so

812
01:10:34.520 --> 01:10:38.239
not quite with it yet. But
anyway, that gets into the Paul Benowitz

813
01:10:38.640 --> 01:10:44.079
events and all the things that surround
him. In the late seventies, Paul

814
01:10:44.079 --> 01:10:53.199
Benawitz, he lived in close to
Kirkling Air Force Base in New Mexico.

815
01:10:54.159 --> 01:11:00.119
You founded this research and scientific place
called Thunder Scientific. It was a small

816
01:11:00.199 --> 01:11:05.560
family business with his wife, and
they would develop high powered instruments for NASA

817
01:11:05.800 --> 01:11:11.800
and for the Air Force. He
was also worked for the Air Force as

818
01:11:11.840 --> 01:11:17.399
a communications person during World War Two. So during the seventies, Paul Beinwitz

819
01:11:17.479 --> 01:11:28.199
he became a member of a research
organization which was a civilian UFO investigation group

820
01:11:29.239 --> 01:11:36.680
and on cattle mutilations. Okay,
cattle mutilations have become associated with UFOs during

821
01:11:36.760 --> 01:11:45.079
the seventies, and this cattle mutilation
group was basically ran by the intelligence community

822
01:11:46.000 --> 01:11:53.840
and an attorney R. E.
Thompson, which was a US senator well

823
01:11:54.039 --> 01:12:03.800
US Senator Harrison Schmidt. They held
these public mutilation meetings in the late seventies

824
01:12:03.960 --> 01:12:09.479
and Paul Benowitz was one of the
people that attended one of these kind of

825
01:12:09.600 --> 01:12:14.520
mutilations that were set up by the
intelligence community to find out what people thought

826
01:12:14.560 --> 01:12:16.760
about kind of mulations. They thought
that it was connected to extra treasures.

827
01:12:16.800 --> 01:12:24.680
Now some say that the meeting that
Paul Benowitz attended was where he was first

828
01:12:24.800 --> 01:12:29.800
introduced to these government agents, because
they basically set up the entire meeting.

829
01:12:30.840 --> 01:12:39.359
So which is important because Benowitz later
he listed July of nineteen seventy nine as

830
01:12:39.439 --> 01:12:48.640
the beginning of a personal study into
UFOs. Because Benwitz reportedly began filming strange

831
01:12:48.720 --> 01:12:58.119
lights and recording strange radio signals over
Kirkland Air Force Base. So Paul Benodwitz

832
01:12:58.159 --> 01:13:02.239
would go out as back to or
he could literally see Kirkling Air Force Base

833
01:13:02.279 --> 01:13:09.640
from his back patio. He would
see these two strange lights hovering above the

834
01:13:09.720 --> 01:13:13.520
ground. They would zip around and
float up off of the ground and then

835
01:13:13.680 --> 01:13:17.720
zip around the mountain and all that. And you know, common sense,

836
01:13:18.000 --> 01:13:20.720
I would tell you, if you're
seeing something over a military base, it's

837
01:13:20.760 --> 01:13:26.199
the freaking right, Like, give
me a break. All these people they

838
01:13:26.279 --> 01:13:30.560
claim to see things like there was
a gentleman there that I was talking to,

839
01:13:30.680 --> 01:13:35.199
a contact in the desert that says
that he lives outside of area fifty

840
01:13:35.239 --> 01:13:39.880
one and he's filming all this strange
activity. I was like, bro,

841
01:13:40.079 --> 01:13:45.720
Area fifty one is a freaking military
base. It's the military, dude,

842
01:13:45.800 --> 01:13:56.079
it's strange military craft. He's convinced
that there it's extraterrestrial. So Paul being

843
01:13:56.199 --> 01:14:00.439
a radio expert, but yes,
that guy that lives outside of air fifty,

844
01:14:00.520 --> 01:14:02.399
well, he's not one convinced.
He thinks that it could be a

845
01:14:03.520 --> 01:14:11.920
mixture of both because like you were
mentioning with Lazare, well, not with

846
01:14:12.119 --> 01:14:16.399
Lazarre, but the President Eisenhower.
So people believing that there's a contract between

847
01:14:16.479 --> 01:14:21.600
extraterrestrials and aliens, that they had
this old treaty set up to build an

848
01:14:21.720 --> 01:14:26.880
underground military base. So the extraterrestrials
are working with the military. That's been

849
01:14:26.880 --> 01:14:30.039
a nice right, that has been
well. He's got a Ike has a

850
01:14:30.119 --> 01:14:34.880
granddaughter that goes on like coast to
coast. Now she's an elderly woman herself

851
01:14:34.960 --> 01:14:41.760
now, but she claims that she's
channeled by some alien being and she talks

852
01:14:41.800 --> 01:14:45.359
to her grandpa and it's just like
and she's on coast to coast it's just

853
01:14:45.439 --> 01:14:47.840
like keeping this ship going for generations. But anyway, I don't want to

854
01:14:47.880 --> 01:14:54.359
get too far off Paul Benowitz,
but yeah, that's that's the regurgitation aspect

855
01:14:54.399 --> 01:14:57.479
of this. And then when people
hear this third and fourth hand, it's

856
01:14:57.520 --> 01:15:00.680
like Sean ka Patrick from the Head
of Arrow, come now with that article

857
01:15:00.720 --> 01:15:03.039
and be like, this is all
circular reporting. This is all people that

858
01:15:04.600 --> 01:15:11.920
I've heard this from second and third
hand sources that are regurgitating it and talking

859
01:15:11.960 --> 01:15:15.319
about it. And it's a revolving
door of theories and speculations that were never

860
01:15:15.479 --> 01:15:20.159
proven to be true in the first
place. So Paul Benham was being a

861
01:15:20.279 --> 01:15:26.520
radio expert, worked for the military
as a radio engineer. He was well

862
01:15:26.640 --> 01:15:30.760
versed in radio technology. He then
decided to try and listen into communications at

863
01:15:30.800 --> 01:15:34.079
Kirkland Air Force Base to try and
figure out what these strange lights were if

864
01:15:34.079 --> 01:15:38.319
the military knew what these strange lights
were. So then he decoded a bunch

865
01:15:38.399 --> 01:15:44.640
of transmissions and put together that it
was about technology, and the technology wasn't

866
01:15:44.680 --> 01:15:47.680
from here, So he began that
began his whole journey into the extra tresture

867
01:15:47.720 --> 01:15:53.119
a realm. So in October of
nineteen eighty. Binowitz contacted Kirkland Air Force

868
01:15:53.199 --> 01:16:00.479
Base to report his findings, like
you would think any you know, triotic

869
01:16:00.560 --> 01:16:03.600
person would do if you're seeing something
strange, then you would contact the air

870
01:16:03.680 --> 01:16:08.479
Force base. And he's worked for
the Air Force as well, so he

871
01:16:08.560 --> 01:16:12.039
had a good rapport with him,
so he contacts the Air Force base.

872
01:16:15.039 --> 01:16:18.039
So at this point ben Witz is
on He's like, this has got to

873
01:16:18.079 --> 01:16:25.520
be extraterrestrial. It's definitely extraterrestrials.
There's no other but he's so far away

874
01:16:25.680 --> 01:16:29.520
and Bill Moore, I'm jumping all
over the place there. But Bill Moore

875
01:16:29.760 --> 01:16:34.000
was sent to him by a gentleman
named Richard Doty, and Bill Moore actually

876
01:16:34.600 --> 01:16:41.520
went to Paul Benowitz's house and ben
was put out his binoculars and was like,

877
01:16:41.640 --> 01:16:43.840
I see these crafts all the time. Here, look there's one right

878
01:16:43.880 --> 01:16:45.840
here. And then Bill Moore grabs
the binoculars and also looks at it and

879
01:16:46.119 --> 01:16:48.399
was like, oh, well,
yeah, that's kind of strange. But

880
01:16:48.479 --> 01:16:51.840
then Bill Moore gets in his car
and drives up around the mountain to see

881
01:16:51.880 --> 01:16:56.560
if he can get a closer look
at it, and it's freaking military helicopters.

882
01:16:57.960 --> 01:17:01.640
It's not UFOs, it's not extra
trestrials. It's literally the military doing

883
01:17:01.760 --> 01:17:08.520
exercises, but apparently nobody else did
that. It is a bought into what

884
01:17:08.640 --> 01:17:15.159
Benowitz was saying about UFOs and extra
trestrials. So when November of nineteen eighty,

885
01:17:15.199 --> 01:17:20.880
Benowitz briefed the people at Kirkland Air
Force Base, the military personnel,

886
01:17:20.960 --> 01:17:26.520
the generals and all that, and
in order to figure out if anything that

887
01:17:27.000 --> 01:17:30.920
Bennwitz had was real or some of
them, some of the generals thought that

888
01:17:30.000 --> 01:17:33.720
maybe it was a Soviet threat or
that it was another country or somebody else

889
01:17:33.800 --> 01:17:36.880
that was planning to invade the base. So to figure out more of what

890
01:17:36.960 --> 01:17:42.000
Paul Benowitz had and the information that
he had and the decoded messages that he

891
01:17:42.079 --> 01:17:45.439
was getting from Kirkland Air Force Base
wasn't a threat, they put him in

892
01:17:45.479 --> 01:17:48.760
contact with who I just mentioned,
a man by the name of Richard Doty,

893
01:17:48.840 --> 01:17:55.000
which is an AFOSI Air Force Office
of Special Investigations. Paul not really

894
01:17:55.880 --> 01:18:02.840
knowing exactly what he had because he
didn't analyze the radio transmissions properly. Richard

895
01:18:02.880 --> 01:18:11.039
Doty coming to his house analyzing it
pretty quickly figuring out that what he had

896
01:18:11.159 --> 01:18:15.520
was top secret radio transmissions from the
Air Force base didn't have anything to do

897
01:18:15.600 --> 01:18:20.319
with extra trestriws, but Richard Doty
came in and convinced him that it was

898
01:18:20.479 --> 01:18:26.479
extra trash troops. He realized that
the footage that he had of these supposed

899
01:18:26.720 --> 01:18:32.720
UFOs were top secret military aircraft that
he was capturing. So then he started

900
01:18:32.760 --> 01:18:40.560
planning ideas and confirming Paul Benowitz's theory
that they're extra tresh troops and not telling

901
01:18:40.640 --> 01:18:43.880
them for a fact, which I've
had Richard Doty on my show before,

902
01:18:43.960 --> 01:18:49.199
we've talked to. Yeah, he
wasn't telling Paul Benowitz that this is like

903
01:18:49.319 --> 01:18:53.079
factual. He's like, oh,
well, that's really interesting, Paul,

904
01:18:53.199 --> 01:18:57.039
you might be right, and then
to that that's that's you know, an

905
01:18:57.079 --> 01:19:02.560
AFOSI special agent in the Air Force, basically confirming that he's right about the

906
01:19:03.520 --> 01:19:08.800
extraterrestrials, but not outright telling him
for a fact. He's just planning the

907
01:19:08.920 --> 01:19:14.479
seed that maybe what he has that
he has the information that the radio transmissions

908
01:19:14.520 --> 01:19:21.439
could possibly be coming from extraterrestrials.
And with Paul Benowitz being a World War

909
01:19:21.520 --> 01:19:27.800
Two vet, it was I would
imagine very easy to convince him to not

910
01:19:27.960 --> 01:19:30.399
talk about it for the time being. You know, like, Paul,

911
01:19:30.479 --> 01:19:32.960
you owe this to your country,
my friend, to not say anything about

912
01:19:33.000 --> 01:19:36.880
this to anyone. Keep all this
information to yourself. But it wasn't just

913
01:19:38.000 --> 01:19:41.920
Dodie that was doing this. There
was other people that were involved. So

914
01:19:41.960 --> 01:19:44.159
I don't put a lot of the
I told Dody in our interview. I

915
01:19:44.199 --> 01:19:45.640
was like, I don't put a
lot of the blame on you. There's

916
01:19:46.239 --> 01:19:51.319
several people that was involved with all
this. It was pretty much all the

917
01:19:51.359 --> 01:19:57.960
people at Kirkland Air Force Base was
doing this to it. So after Paul

918
01:19:58.319 --> 01:20:01.079
showed the footage that he captured the
Strange craft, which was a top secret

919
01:20:02.479 --> 01:20:09.840
experimental aircraft, a general of the
Air Force stood up and said, Paul,

920
01:20:09.960 --> 01:20:12.920
you got some pretty convincing evidence there. What would you like the Air

921
01:20:13.000 --> 01:20:16.039
Force to do about it? And
Paul wanted a grant. He wanted a

922
01:20:16.119 --> 01:20:20.119
grant to continue the study of UFOs
on the base, and he wanted a

923
01:20:20.199 --> 01:20:28.479
grant to continue his contact with aliens
that he claimed that he had. And

924
01:20:28.600 --> 01:20:32.000
this caught the Air Force generals and
the people that were a part of this

925
01:20:32.159 --> 01:20:39.800
meeting really off guard, absolutely,
And we've established that Air Force Offices Special

926
01:20:39.880 --> 01:20:44.119
Investigators were involved like Richard Dody and
all the Air Force personnel were involved in

927
01:20:44.239 --> 01:20:48.880
the briefing and pushing Paul Benowits in
this direction of extra trestrials and UFOs when

928
01:20:48.920 --> 01:20:56.239
he was really getting top secret classified
footage of experimental aircraft that the Air Force

929
01:20:56.359 --> 01:21:00.560
was working on and radio transmissions from
the Air Force base. But another agency

930
01:21:00.880 --> 01:21:05.760
was involved. What happened was is
that Paul was while he was picking up

931
01:21:05.840 --> 01:21:11.840
these signals from Kirkland Air Force Base, he didn't really know that that was

932
01:21:11.880 --> 01:21:15.760
the case. He thought that these
signals were coming from extra trash tdriils.

933
01:21:18.039 --> 01:21:27.880
So the NSA had posted up across
the street from Paul Benowitz's house and they

934
01:21:27.880 --> 01:21:32.199
would directly beam radio signals into Paul
Benowitz's antenna into his house to make Paul

935
01:21:32.359 --> 01:21:36.680
Benowitz believe that what he was getting
was from extra trash drills. They even

936
01:21:36.720 --> 01:21:42.960
went as far as to break into
Paul Benowitz's house replaced his computer with an

937
01:21:43.079 --> 01:21:48.079
NSA modified computer. The computer had
software on it had software installed onto it

938
01:21:48.239 --> 01:21:54.000
to decode the messages that they were
sending Paul from outside of his house in

939
01:21:54.079 --> 01:21:57.640
the way that they wanted Paul to
see them. So this is like he's

940
01:21:57.800 --> 01:22:03.359
he's Agent Mulder and they're the Smoking
Man's people fucking with them. That's crazy.

941
01:22:03.800 --> 01:22:08.000
That's like movie shit, it is. That's what they were doing in

942
01:22:08.119 --> 01:22:12.319
these messages that Paul thought that he
was receiving from extra treshrils, which was

943
01:22:12.399 --> 01:22:16.079
really the freaking NSA. A lot
of the things that they were telling him

944
01:22:17.039 --> 01:22:23.960
are regurgitations from this community that are
still talked about to this very day.

945
01:22:24.720 --> 01:22:28.640
Right, that their extra trestrials are
from a planet that is dying, they're

946
01:22:28.680 --> 01:22:31.000
from a planet with no water,
that they're here for our resources, that

947
01:22:31.079 --> 01:22:36.960
they're here to take over Earth,
and they only trust Paul because Paul was

948
01:22:38.000 --> 01:22:40.920
the chosen one, right, and
all kinds of other stuff, which a

949
01:22:40.920 --> 01:22:45.560
lot of the things again that we're
talked about with Paul believing that he's in

950
01:22:45.840 --> 01:22:51.199
communication with extra trestrials through his computer, you know, when they're completely made

951
01:22:51.279 --> 01:22:59.399
up and fabrications, made up by
the NSA. And then in nineteen eighty

952
01:22:59.520 --> 01:23:02.640
the state in New Mexico, did
you have something. No, I was

953
01:23:02.680 --> 01:23:04.840
just going to say, you might
get to this, but I was just

954
01:23:04.920 --> 01:23:09.520
gonna say this gentleman is still alive
today. No, he passed away.

955
01:23:09.800 --> 01:23:20.680
I believe in he did you know
two thousand and three he passed away in

956
01:23:20.680 --> 01:23:24.399
two thousand and three. The Richard
Dody guy that you've talked to, he

957
01:23:24.520 --> 01:23:30.560
must be kind of up there in
years. Yeah. I think he's in

958
01:23:30.840 --> 01:23:32.680
late fifties, I believe. Okay, so he's not. Is he even

959
01:23:32.760 --> 01:23:36.319
been a younger guy than when all
this was going on? Yeah? Okay.

960
01:23:38.560 --> 01:23:43.119
So the state police in New Mexico
they and if you thought this was

961
01:23:43.199 --> 01:23:48.520
bad, it gets even worse because
state police in New Mexico received a report

962
01:23:48.600 --> 01:23:55.680
from a woman and a lady naming
herself Myrna Hanson describing a story that involved

963
01:23:55.720 --> 01:23:59.560
extra trash or aliens, bride lines, herds of cattle, seeing abductions,

964
01:23:59.640 --> 01:24:05.439
cattle being abducted into craft at least
then referred the case to a gentleman that

965
01:24:05.560 --> 01:24:11.520
was also at the cattle mutilation conference
in nineteen seventy nine named Gabe Valdez,

966
01:24:12.840 --> 01:24:15.800
who they knew to be the cattle
mutilation guy for the interest in the cases

967
01:24:15.840 --> 01:24:21.199
and going to these cattle mutilation meetings. Valdez then in turn contacted Paul Benowitz.

968
01:24:21.560 --> 01:24:27.319
So in nineteen eighty, Marna Henson
and her son traveled to Albuquerque to

969
01:24:27.399 --> 01:24:30.600
meet with Benowitz, stayed in his
home. Henson explained to bene Witz that

970
01:24:30.720 --> 01:24:34.680
on May fifth, nineteen eighty,
while she was driving with her son near

971
01:24:35.000 --> 01:24:42.720
Eagle Nests, New Mexico, they
had witnessed two large silent objects that were

972
01:24:42.800 --> 01:24:47.359
hovering above a meadow right and then
they contacted a gentleman. Paul Beinwitz contacted

973
01:24:47.359 --> 01:24:54.600
a gentleman named Leo Sprinkle. She
was a psychiatrist and a professor at the

974
01:24:54.720 --> 01:24:59.840
University of Wyoming. That is such
a name of a professor, Professor Sprinkle.

975
01:25:00.760 --> 01:25:02.680
It's a little sprinkle, give me, give me sprinkled us salt on

976
01:25:02.800 --> 01:25:09.479
there. And so Benowitz arranged for
Sprinkle to fly to Albuquerque to hypnotize Henson.

977
01:25:09.560 --> 01:25:13.680
So when Sprinkle arrived, Henson and
Benowitz, Okay, now we're getting

978
01:25:13.680 --> 01:25:21.000
into regression, like you're promising.
Yes. So Benowitz has been being hit

979
01:25:21.079 --> 01:25:25.520
with this all all this, all
this nonsense, and they come to the

980
01:25:25.600 --> 01:25:30.520
conclusion that the regressions need to be
taking place in Benowitz's Lincoln town car.

981
01:25:30.640 --> 01:25:34.239
This parked inside of the family garage, and he had all the car windows

982
01:25:34.279 --> 01:25:42.000
covered with aluminum foil. Hall's literally
out of his mind at this point.

983
01:25:43.359 --> 01:25:45.840
You know, you got the NSA
right across the street beaming signals into your

984
01:25:45.880 --> 01:25:48.760
house and your antenna. They broke
into your home, replaced your computer with

985
01:25:48.840 --> 01:25:51.000
the NSA, which she doesn't.
He's not aware of any of this,

986
01:25:51.239 --> 01:25:56.000
right, That's the thing, that's
an important thing. He's not aware that

987
01:25:56.119 --> 01:25:59.880
the NSSA has done this. He's
not aware that the NSA has this house

988
01:26:00.079 --> 01:26:04.720
bugged. He's not aware that the
Air Force has been lying to him this

989
01:26:05.000 --> 01:26:09.760
entire time. Right, would you
not be paranoid? You know, you

990
01:26:09.880 --> 01:26:15.119
got the freaking Air Force telling you
that you're right about the aliens, but

991
01:26:15.239 --> 01:26:19.880
you can't tell anyone. You have
the NSA sending the signals into your home,

992
01:26:19.960 --> 01:26:25.239
the decode messages to make you believe
that you're in communication with extraterrestrials,

993
01:26:25.359 --> 01:26:30.199
is telling you all this stuff.
So Sprinkle decided to then regress this woman

994
01:26:30.720 --> 01:26:38.800
named Myrna Henson in the tinfoil altcar
and Paul Benowitz's garage, and her first

995
01:26:38.880 --> 01:26:45.159
regression, she reported a information of
a cow being sucked up by UFO tractor

996
01:26:45.199 --> 01:26:50.640
Beam spaceship. And then on May
eleventh and May twelfth, nineteen eighty,

997
01:26:51.000 --> 01:26:57.600
under hypnosis again, Henson reported recollections
of being abducted and taken to an underground

998
01:26:57.640 --> 01:27:02.439
base with body parts floating in vats. That's when we get into the full

999
01:27:02.720 --> 01:27:13.960
swing of the the Dulcet bass.
The dulce bass was Phil Schneider. I'm

1000
01:27:13.960 --> 01:27:16.600
sure people are from Oh yeah,
he lost his fingers in the in a

1001
01:27:17.079 --> 01:27:21.600
razor gun war with the ark On
or the whatever the fuck they were called,

1002
01:27:21.880 --> 01:27:27.319
the Draca's. Yeah, that's all
fun stuff. That's like old schoolate

1003
01:27:27.399 --> 01:27:31.720
coast to coast a m Yeah.
So during the session. Another thing happened

1004
01:27:31.720 --> 01:27:38.920
too is that Myrna Henson also mentioned
Roswell Roswell in New Mexico. But the

1005
01:27:39.039 --> 01:27:47.039
problem with that is that Roswell,
no one in the public had connected Roswell

1006
01:27:47.199 --> 01:27:55.239
to UFO folcal Or yet, which
is a perfect setup for Bill Moore's book

1007
01:27:55.319 --> 01:27:59.720
that I was mentioning earlier that Bill
Moore went to Bennowitz's house and then drove

1008
01:27:59.800 --> 01:28:03.000
out there to the mountain to see
that it was just military helicopters that Paul

1009
01:28:03.039 --> 01:28:10.159
Beinimits was seen. Bill Moore wrote
a book on Roswell called The Roswell Incident

1010
01:28:11.239 --> 01:28:15.800
just a few months later, in
October of nineteen eighty which was all miss

1011
01:28:15.880 --> 01:28:23.720
and disinformation about alien crashing an alien
spacecraft crashing in Roswell, which popularized the

1012
01:28:23.840 --> 01:28:30.079
myth and the lore and brought it
to the forefront of ufology and later on,

1013
01:28:30.279 --> 01:28:33.279
Bill Moore stands up in front of
the Moofon conference in nineteen eighty nine

1014
01:28:34.279 --> 01:28:38.800
and tries to tell everyone that it's
all made up, garbage, nonsense,

1015
01:28:39.520 --> 01:28:42.720
and they bow them off of the
stage. Yeah, you can't turn on

1016
01:28:42.800 --> 01:28:48.720
that crowd, man, shit.
So he basically says in that which I'm

1017
01:28:48.720 --> 01:28:53.479
going to do a part two.
I've done the first two hours of that

1018
01:28:55.079 --> 01:28:58.359
move On conference where he's up there, but it's a five hour long interview.

1019
01:28:58.359 --> 01:29:00.239
I'm gonna no, dude, damn. I want to do part part

1020
01:29:00.279 --> 01:29:04.840
two here soon, hopefully this Saturday
on my channel. I've just been really

1021
01:29:04.880 --> 01:29:09.239
busy and went to contact in the
desert and trying to work on the second

1022
01:29:09.279 --> 01:29:13.319
documentary, so I really haven't had
the time, but I'm going to finish

1023
01:29:13.399 --> 01:29:17.119
that up because every everything that Bill
Moore is talking about at that conference is

1024
01:29:17.199 --> 01:29:23.159
like timeless, and they treated him
like it was Dylan goes electric, Yeah,

1025
01:29:23.479 --> 01:29:27.640
and no one ever heard from him
again after that, just disappeared.

1026
01:29:28.760 --> 01:29:34.479
It's gone. So back to Myrna
Henson really quickly. So Myrna Hanson is

1027
01:29:34.600 --> 01:29:38.760
Paul Benham was set up because that's
exactly what this was. It was a

1028
01:29:38.840 --> 01:29:42.800
giant set up with this lady Myrna
Henson to get the lore and the mythology

1029
01:29:42.840 --> 01:29:45.319
of rolling. Because they knew Paul
Benham was would tell everyone and this would

1030
01:29:45.319 --> 01:29:49.039
snowball into a big bunch of nonsense. So is she like some chick who

1031
01:29:49.119 --> 01:29:53.000
got a speeding ticket and couldn't afford
it and they're like, hey, you

1032
01:29:53.079 --> 01:29:56.399
know what you can do? Do
you want to just have a sweetest?

1033
01:29:56.600 --> 01:30:00.359
Probably probably something bigger than a speeding
ticket. But how would they get someone

1034
01:30:00.520 --> 01:30:03.159
like that? You have to or
she could have been an agent? Supposedly,

1035
01:30:03.600 --> 01:30:06.159
I mean, do you know I
think that she's an agent. Richard

1036
01:30:06.199 --> 01:30:13.600
Dody. Richard Doty says that what
she was describing with this base was an

1037
01:30:13.680 --> 01:30:23.640
advanced Air Force munitions bunker because the
way that she described it was almost identical

1038
01:30:23.880 --> 01:30:28.640
to what the Air Force munitions bunker
looked like. Because Richard Dody went out

1039
01:30:28.680 --> 01:30:34.760
to this Air Force munitions bunker and
the same types of things that she described,

1040
01:30:35.439 --> 01:30:41.399
besides the body parts floating in vats. Everything else was the saint.

1041
01:30:43.439 --> 01:30:45.680
But he was like, well,
I don't know how she got into the

1042
01:30:45.960 --> 01:30:51.000
Military Air Force munitions bunker. But
a lot of people trying to get involved

1043
01:30:51.760 --> 01:30:59.119
with the Myrna Henson case. Paul
Heinek, no Alan Heinek, sorry,

1044
01:30:59.159 --> 01:31:04.760
Paul Heineck is son Alan Heinek,
the Project blue Book guy tried to get

1045
01:31:04.840 --> 01:31:12.840
involved with the Marna Henson case and
then he was threatened to be federally prosecuted,

1046
01:31:12.920 --> 01:31:19.640
so he backed away. But I
think that it's because Gabe Valdez's son

1047
01:31:19.720 --> 01:31:27.720
later on comments on this and says
that it was a setup and that it

1048
01:31:27.840 --> 01:31:31.439
was very easy for them to do
because they found all these bugs and all

1049
01:31:31.479 --> 01:31:36.960
these plants and all these listening devices
within his dad's home, so the government

1050
01:31:38.079 --> 01:31:43.119
was listening to everything that they were
doing twenty four to seven. I mean,

1051
01:31:43.159 --> 01:31:45.159
these people are literally driving Paul out
of his mind to the point that

1052
01:31:46.239 --> 01:31:50.760
he was thinking that he was going
to be being attacked by aliens. And

1053
01:31:50.840 --> 01:31:56.239
it was a really sad story.
And Ben was even armed up with guns

1054
01:31:56.359 --> 01:32:00.600
and him and Foil to protect his
family. The fucking thing you said about

1055
01:32:00.640 --> 01:32:04.640
when they do the regression, and
that's when you know someone's going a little

1056
01:32:04.680 --> 01:32:14.000
wacky. They start literally using the
tinfoil hat. And it was all it

1057
01:32:14.079 --> 01:32:17.600
all came to be because the government
missing in this information. That's literally where

1058
01:32:17.800 --> 01:32:21.800
all the tempoil and stuff came from. No one has any idea they came

1059
01:32:21.840 --> 01:32:25.840
from government. Miss. All you
really need is a house with lead paint

1060
01:32:26.000 --> 01:32:29.399
on it at the end of the
day, or blue paint, right,

1061
01:32:29.840 --> 01:32:32.000
yeah, if you don't want the
laser beams, just hurt start your house

1062
01:32:32.039 --> 01:32:34.920
on fires. So I got a
couple more questions. I don't know how

1063
01:32:35.000 --> 01:32:41.439
much time you have, but what
is and if this is like a little

1064
01:32:41.520 --> 01:32:45.079
too much because we edge in these
circles of the podcasters and stuff. But

1065
01:32:45.560 --> 01:32:50.279
I just wanted to know what your
take on this this huge thing that's happening

1066
01:32:50.439 --> 01:32:58.720
with Ryan bled Cell where there's this
new movement of like, uh, you

1067
01:32:58.800 --> 01:33:02.319
can you can summon these things.
It's kind of like what gosh, I

1068
01:33:02.319 --> 01:33:05.920
always forget his name, Greer,
Stephen Greer kind of started this and then

1069
01:33:06.000 --> 01:33:14.560
the main and now you've got and
I don't want to just say this is

1070
01:33:14.600 --> 01:33:17.600
how you feel, but we've mentioned
the mental illness before, and if I

1071
01:33:17.760 --> 01:33:24.960
hear about this guy lets Tho's father
having these visions and then they just roll

1072
01:33:25.039 --> 01:33:27.760
with it. It makes me wonder
if that's a possibility. But anyway,

1073
01:33:28.000 --> 01:33:30.520
do you think this is an authentic
movement or do you think this is totally

1074
01:33:31.199 --> 01:33:38.039
astroturfed. Seems like a cult,
doesn't it. It very much seems like

1075
01:33:38.119 --> 01:33:42.159
a cult. And I know people
who are balls deep in it. So

1076
01:33:42.359 --> 01:33:45.560
it's kind of like, what do
you do? You know, I don't

1077
01:33:45.560 --> 01:33:48.520
want to like it's you don't walk
up to a Christian and scream that Jesus

1078
01:33:48.560 --> 01:33:59.199
isn't real. Yeah, it uh, definitely has all the hallmarks of a

1079
01:33:59.319 --> 01:34:04.000
cult. You know. It seems
a lot like the Billy Meyer story.

1080
01:34:04.079 --> 01:34:10.920
Are familiar with the Billy Meyer story? Uh? Refresh my memory because I

1081
01:34:10.920 --> 01:34:13.960
think I've heard you talk about it, if not other people. So the

1082
01:34:14.000 --> 01:34:17.760
Billy Meyer story is he's one of
them, supposedly in contact with these Palladian

1083
01:34:18.159 --> 01:34:20.920
extra trest trills, and then then
they come down and give him all this

1084
01:34:21.039 --> 01:34:27.439
information and he has all this he
supposedly has like technology from these uh,

1085
01:34:27.640 --> 01:34:30.880
these aliens. There's like a whole
cult that was formed around this, with

1086
01:34:31.039 --> 01:34:35.039
like a compound where people can come
and live, and then they get it

1087
01:34:35.479 --> 01:34:40.399
endowed and imbued with the wisdom of
Billy Meyer, and he's the only true,

1088
01:34:40.560 --> 01:34:45.800
one and only contactee from these Palladians. And then it turns out all

1089
01:34:45.840 --> 01:34:48.479
the pictures that he's taken of these
craft are all fake. They're all trash

1090
01:34:48.600 --> 01:34:55.239
can lids on like wires, blind
saucers. Yeah, that's what kind of

1091
01:34:55.479 --> 01:35:00.760
uh, that's what it kind of
reminds me of n the direction that it's

1092
01:35:01.000 --> 01:35:03.520
kind of going because we haven't had
a really, we haven't had a good

1093
01:35:05.159 --> 01:35:10.199
Colt for a minute. I haven't
had a good cult going on. But

1094
01:35:10.479 --> 01:35:15.159
I think the well you a foe
calt, we haven't had one for a

1095
01:35:15.199 --> 01:35:19.319
while. I think the last one
was Love is One, which was in

1096
01:35:23.079 --> 01:35:29.319
Crestone, Colorado with Amy Carlson that
claimed that she was the direct reincarnation of

1097
01:35:29.520 --> 01:35:32.760
God and that she was here to
send the one hundred and forty four thousand

1098
01:35:32.840 --> 01:35:40.560
people into the sun. No,
she ended up dying. She died of

1099
01:35:40.840 --> 01:35:46.000
cirrhosis of the liver and excessive colloidal
silver ingestion. Oh, this is a

1100
01:35:46.880 --> 01:35:53.760
mother other God. Yes, I
was on a panel a couple of weeks

1101
01:35:53.840 --> 01:35:57.039
back and they told me to watch
this documentary because I made a colloidal silver

1102
01:35:57.279 --> 01:36:00.239
crack. We were making fun of
like that, pushing us uplements and conspiracy

1103
01:36:00.279 --> 01:36:03.319
and I and she goes, oh, do you know who Mother God is?

1104
01:36:04.199 --> 01:36:06.760
So this is new to me.
I'm really gonna have to check this

1105
01:36:06.840 --> 01:36:10.159
out. I know there's a good
doc about it. Yeah, I did

1106
01:36:10.199 --> 01:36:14.239
a show on it last year before
the Yeah, i'll just watch your show

1107
01:36:14.319 --> 01:36:16.600
then. Yeah. I didn't even
know that the that they were doing a

1108
01:36:18.039 --> 01:36:23.079
documentary on it, but it was. I think it's pretty recent that they

1109
01:36:23.119 --> 01:36:25.960
did. Yeah. I watched the
documentary on it. Oh you did,

1110
01:36:26.199 --> 01:36:28.560
Yeah, I've seen it. Yeah. I thought it was really good that

1111
01:36:28.680 --> 01:36:31.000
they did a really good job with
it. A girl that I know was

1112
01:36:31.079 --> 01:36:39.560
an information consultant on that documentary.
So I think it's definitely worth a watch.

1113
01:36:39.600 --> 01:36:43.319
And it was really good and lays
a lot of it out. But

1114
01:36:43.720 --> 01:36:48.399
yeah, that's the latest one.
She really upped the ante on a lot

1115
01:36:48.439 --> 01:36:53.439
of it. She said that she
was in communication with Robin Williams. Yes,

1116
01:36:54.479 --> 01:36:58.600
Robin Williams appeared to her at night
and in her bed and the Robin

1117
01:36:58.640 --> 01:37:02.479
Williams was a part of the Glac
Federation literally with her that's where all the

1118
01:37:02.520 --> 01:37:09.159
Galactic Federation stuff came from in two
thousand and five. Oh okay, the

1119
01:37:09.239 --> 01:37:13.920
one that popularized all the Galactic Federation
stuff. And now it's all just tongue

1120
01:37:13.920 --> 01:37:18.479
in cheek rely. Yeah, And
she said that Robin Williams would a sister

1121
01:37:18.840 --> 01:37:27.680
in her her Zoom call Healings along
with the Galactic Federations. It's just like

1122
01:37:27.840 --> 01:37:34.720
what wild stuff. Like she literally
was started getting out of her mind like

1123
01:37:34.960 --> 01:37:41.199
really quickly, and the people that
were around her were just encouraging it and

1124
01:37:41.439 --> 01:37:45.880
feeding into it, and it literally
killed her. It's another sad story.

1125
01:37:47.880 --> 01:37:53.279
Yeah, well, you're right,
we are due for a good UFO cult.

1126
01:37:53.359 --> 01:37:56.680
And maybe, I mean, is
this why you go to like contact

1127
01:37:56.720 --> 01:37:59.520
in the desert and stuff? Is
to this is like you want to make

1128
01:37:59.600 --> 01:38:04.119
some con text with other people that
are into this whole thing you're researching.

1129
01:38:04.840 --> 01:38:11.399
Well, I I like to go
because it's a it's a good way to

1130
01:38:12.000 --> 01:38:15.399
you know, communicate with people in
person and talk to other people and kind

1131
01:38:15.439 --> 01:38:24.319
of network. And I mean there's
a few good people that that I like

1132
01:38:24.439 --> 01:38:29.439
that are normally presenting at the conferences. Andrew Collins is one of them.

1133
01:38:30.520 --> 01:38:32.560
I don't mind Richard Dolan. I
think he's I think he's all right.

1134
01:38:34.880 --> 01:38:43.279
There's a doctor Paul Smith. Russell
targ was there this year. So there's

1135
01:38:43.319 --> 01:38:46.399
a few people that I that I
think that are on the on the right

1136
01:38:46.560 --> 01:38:53.680
track with stuff. But it's mostly
for networking and talking with people and meeting

1137
01:38:53.760 --> 01:38:58.479
with people in person because you don't
really get that opportunity that often unless you

1138
01:38:58.520 --> 01:39:03.000
actually travel to where the individual lives, you know, So it's a good

1139
01:39:03.039 --> 01:39:06.079
way to talk to people in person. Do some in person interviews. I

1140
01:39:06.239 --> 01:39:10.479
like doing that. I like being
in person with people, and you know,

1141
01:39:11.119 --> 01:39:15.680
being able to talk with people in
person is like a makes me feel

1142
01:39:15.760 --> 01:39:18.279
good, you know, because a
lot of our work has done over the

1143
01:39:18.359 --> 01:39:21.760
internet on like Zoom and like on
stream Yard. We're not like next to

1144
01:39:21.880 --> 01:39:26.199
each other, so it's a different
kind of feeling. You get a different

1145
01:39:26.479 --> 01:39:30.520
energy from people when you're in person. I've never had a in studio interview

1146
01:39:30.680 --> 01:39:34.119
myself, but I just found out
that the Franklin Sky's guy lives where I

1147
01:39:34.279 --> 01:39:41.039
Do you know who he is?
Frankensky's can Tell Can Trail documentary? No?

1148
01:39:41.560 --> 01:39:45.479
Oh yes, yes, I am
familiar, but I can't can't play

1149
01:39:45.560 --> 01:39:48.720
some Yeah, I don't know his
name either. I know that he's here

1150
01:39:48.800 --> 01:39:53.800
and I know that he's open to
interviews. But he also makes literal tinfoil

1151
01:39:53.920 --> 01:39:59.079
hats and you can order them online
and people buy them because he's all about

1152
01:39:59.119 --> 01:40:02.000
like the five G and everything,
and he's probably right about some of that

1153
01:40:02.079 --> 01:40:06.359
shit. But well, man,
this has been a really good talk.

1154
01:40:06.439 --> 01:40:11.760
Do you have anything else do you
want to touch on? Just that you

1155
01:40:11.880 --> 01:40:15.039
got to use common sense and critical
thinking with a lot of this stuff,

1156
01:40:15.159 --> 01:40:19.000
and just don't believe everything that you
hear from these people, because it's a

1157
01:40:19.079 --> 01:40:26.399
regurgitation after regurgitation. It's a belief
that has no backing from the very beginning

1158
01:40:26.520 --> 01:40:30.479
that has been turned into something that
was never originally supposed to be. And

1159
01:40:30.079 --> 01:40:34.119
that's a really big problem and a
really big issue. I'm not saying to

1160
01:40:34.439 --> 01:40:41.760
like, not listen to things that
you think are interesting. Just take things

1161
01:40:41.880 --> 01:40:45.720
with like a grain of salt,
don't get dogmatic about it. Yeah,

1162
01:40:46.159 --> 01:40:51.520
you don't have to listen to something
and then automatically take it on as your

1163
01:40:51.880 --> 01:40:56.199
belief in your belief system. You
know, you can just kind of tuck

1164
01:40:56.239 --> 01:40:59.760
it away, put it back there
on the back burner, and just remember

1165
01:40:59.800 --> 01:41:03.439
it for the future, because there's
a lot of people that are ripping off

1166
01:41:03.520 --> 01:41:08.520
other people. There's a lot of
people that don't, you know, cite

1167
01:41:09.079 --> 01:41:13.079
other people's work whenever they're talking about
their work, when it's blatant that they're

1168
01:41:13.119 --> 01:41:15.239
talking about their work, and they
don't want to mention the person because they

1169
01:41:15.319 --> 01:41:18.439
want to make it seem like that
they're the ones that created it and they're

1170
01:41:18.479 --> 01:41:23.600
the ones that came up with it, when it's not they've just read it

1171
01:41:23.680 --> 01:41:29.800
somewhere and they've incorporated it into their
story and into their narrative, you know,

1172
01:41:30.039 --> 01:41:35.279
like it's not an honorable thing to
do. And also history books are

1173
01:41:35.319 --> 01:41:43.039
written these days too, pretty much. Yeah, and on that as well.

1174
01:41:43.159 --> 01:41:47.800
The story of Paul Benowitz is heavily
documented. It's documented in the book

1175
01:41:48.199 --> 01:41:51.920
Project Beta, The Story of Paul
Benowitz and the National Security and the Creation

1176
01:41:53.039 --> 01:41:59.760
of the Modern UFO myth. Mark
Pinkerington's book about the project also called Mirage,

1177
01:42:00.800 --> 01:42:03.279
which was published in twenty ten,
and then the book was adapted in

1178
01:42:04.199 --> 01:42:12.560
twenty and thirteen documentary under the same
name Mirage Men. You know, so

1179
01:42:12.640 --> 01:42:15.600
it's like the people like they don't
want to It was also in another book

1180
01:42:15.640 --> 01:42:20.680
called clear intent the government cover up
of the UFO experience. So people don't

1181
01:42:20.680 --> 01:42:25.319
want to credit people for their work, and they just want to, you

1182
01:42:25.399 --> 01:42:28.920
know, make a seem like that
they did it all on their own,

1183
01:42:28.960 --> 01:42:30.279
and that's not how any of this
stuff works. I mean, if you're

1184
01:42:30.279 --> 01:42:36.399
doing research into something, you're you're
looking at somebody else's work and you're using

1185
01:42:36.479 --> 01:42:41.319
their work. I mean that's a
definition of research. Well, and I

1186
01:42:41.399 --> 01:42:45.479
appreciate you giving all of your sources
and citations because I usually have a fucking

1187
01:42:45.560 --> 01:42:48.399
notebook sitting there next to me.
I'm just going to have to go back

1188
01:42:48.479 --> 01:42:53.159
and listen to this recording again and
just jot everything down, and people listening

1189
01:42:53.279 --> 01:42:57.159
or watching, I hope that you
do the same thing because it's always good.

1190
01:42:57.520 --> 01:43:00.159
And I've been interviewing a lot more
people lately that bring receipts like you

1191
01:43:00.279 --> 01:43:05.640
did today, So uh yeah.
And you you're a young guy, You've

1192
01:43:05.640 --> 01:43:09.479
already got some really good work under
your belt, and it sounds like I'm

1193
01:43:09.560 --> 01:43:13.920
pretty excited about this thing you're working
on right now. I would love to

1194
01:43:14.000 --> 01:43:16.680
have you back when when you've got
that you know, oh yeah, absolutely,

1195
01:43:16.760 --> 01:43:20.319
we're gonna be doing the We're gonna
be doing all the rounds, yeah,

1196
01:43:20.319 --> 01:43:26.000
because that's that's such fascinating topics there, and like a perfect blend of

1197
01:43:26.039 --> 01:43:30.039
everything you're working on. Yeah,
And it involves pop culture, involves the

1198
01:43:30.239 --> 01:43:33.960
CIA, involves the music industry,
involves the film industry, involves movies and

1199
01:43:34.079 --> 01:43:39.920
involves directors, involves LSD, the
hippie movement. So it's got all of

1200
01:43:40.000 --> 01:43:43.720
it. And I'm do you know
how long this is gonna run? Like

1201
01:43:44.520 --> 01:43:47.840
under three hours? We thought that
it was gonna hit it around two hours,

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but I'm gonna try and shave it
down longer because it's hard to keep

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people's attention with a long documentary like
that. You know, which I know

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is people really do like long form
content now, They like to sit down

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and listen to it. But I'm
going to try and keep it at like

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an hour and a half or an
hour and forty minutes because of all the

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editing and all the things that I'm
going to need to do to keep it

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interesting and keep people's eyes on it. It's difficult to do for two hours.

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You know. There's only so many
ups and downs that you can do

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within a documentary to keep people's attention
on it. Before they turn it off.

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So it's going to be difficult to
get it down to an hour and

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a half because there's so much information, so much things that needs to be

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gone over. But we're going to
attempt to do it and hopefully it'll be

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done by there by the end of
August. I'm not putting a time on

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it a date on it, but
you know, we think if you take

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a little bit longer to make it
and make it good, Yeah, i'd

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say those deadlines, especially when you're
your own boss. Yeah, we're for

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producing it on our own and we're
distributing it on our own, so we

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don't really have a time skull.
But that's just how I would when I

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would like it to be out.
But if it does you have a title

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yet? Yeah, we do,
it's not we haven't revealed the title.

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Oh you don't need to reveal it. I'm just curious to myself. But

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other than that, yeah, that
that sounds like an awesome thing. I

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can't wait for that. And also, before we go, I want to

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comment on your shirt because I've just
like been this whole time thinking there should

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be a Texas Longhorn skull hanging on
the wall behind you because it would just

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go so well with that shirt.
For some reason, I feel like I'm

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in a new Mexican Pebleau. Yeah, dude, I'm in my WACKI I'm

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in the wacky shirt phase in my
life where I just find a bunch of

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wacky shirts and put it on super
powerful and yeah, I do I do

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need one that would be great.
Yeah, one of those taxidermy deers there

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you go. Well, yeah,
a long bow. Give me some bows

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01:46:00.199 --> 01:46:05.039
back there. But thanks brother,
appreciate you having me on. People are

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interested to check out my work.
I can find me on Raised by Giants,

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on YouTube, in any and all
podcast platforms, and check out my

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01:46:12.680 --> 01:46:17.439
film JFKX Solving the Crime of the
Century. It's on Amazon Prime and on

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01:46:18.359 --> 01:46:24.880
Toby for free with ads. So
thanks for having me on. Appreciate your

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brother, and thanks for coming on. Yeah. Look, hope everyone enjoyed

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01:46:28.000 --> 01:46:30.239
it. Oh they're going to and
if they don't, they're not listening right

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01:46:30.279 --> 01:46:32.239
now. If they didn't enjoy it, so they can fuck off. But

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yeah, they didn't stick with us, all right, man, Well,

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I hope you enjoy the rest of
your Sunday. Thanks my friend. All

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right, we'll be in touch.
Bud, talk to you later.