Hellow conspiracy players, welcome to another episode on this very special Father's Day edition
of Conspiracy Playtime. We have one father and one nonfather, maybe a future
father. I don't know. We could ask how he feels about that when
we start maybe some All right, writer Lee, welcome to the show man.
Thanks for having me on. I appreciate it. My friend has been
I like your poster in the background of Clockwork Orange. That's what my second
documentary is going to be about. You know, I kinda was going to
ask you about that. I heard you on some other podcasts talking about you're
working on like an mk Ultra Hollywood Kubrick thing right now. Yeah, it's
going to be incredible. I'm really looking forward to it. I originally wanted
to make the documentary that I'm making right now first, but we decided to
go with jfk X Solving the Crime of the Century first. What you can
check out on Amazon Prime and you can watch it for free on t B
as well. It's on like twenty five different streaming platforms. But yeah,
this next one is going to be all about Hollywood and k Ultra, Stanley
Kubrick, the Shining the Clockwork Orange, and it's going to be it's going
to be mind blowing. So hopefully it'll be finished by the end of August.
You know, those are a lot of my favorite talks right there.
I love the old Hollywood stuff, Laurel Canyon stuff. Oh man, we
got a huge section on Laurel Canyon and Lookout Mountain in the docum Ooh and
Kubrick, you know, probably filmed the moon landing there. I don't know,
that's kind of what I speculate, but yeah, my producer of the
documentary, Jay Widener, he's the one that created that theory. He started
that theory Reallybrick's Odyssey, Cubick's Odyssey one and two. He started the theory
that Stanley Kubrick faked the moon landing. Sweet everyone has copied off of him
and then created this whole thing. But he's really humble in a lot of
aspects, and he just likes the information to get out there, so he
doesn't call a lot of people on it. When I mean, it's become
really popular in the past couple of years now, like a lot of piktok
videos and a lot of people just posted and don't even know where where it
comes from. Where the original idea come from, but it came from a
Cubricks odyssey and Jay Widener, Yeah, it wasn't there some weird movie on
Netflix? Room two feet what room the hotel room? And he was also
he was also in that documentary as well. Oh, he was talked about
it. Yeah. All right, So let's let's talk about you a little
bit. You're research your documentarian and podcaster. I mean, you kind of
have your fingers in a lot of pies here, so you want to like
kind of talk about how you stumbled into all this. Is it something you've
always been into? Well, I've always been in the weird and strange things,
you know, growing up, I was, you know, I have
some experiences that you know, I don't talk about because there's really no point
in really actually talking about it because it doesn't I don't know what it is,
and it doesn't really matter to me what it is. I think unexplainable
things happen all the time in our reality, and sometimes we're not meant to
know what it is, and any attempt to actually figure it out just furthers
you down into theory and speculation. And that's not me saying that theory and
speculation is bad. But you know, if I were to talk about some
of my experiences to some people within the community, which I have, they
try and tell you what you experienced, you know what I mean. They'll
be like, yeah, it was great aliens. They were abducting you,
they were freaking you, doing a DNA switch on you and all this stuff,
and you were on a ship and they come by every couple of years
to check up on you. And I'm like, no, that's not what's
happened at all. But that's the kind of group high mentality that's going on
with the community, Like they're trying to insert their own ideas and thoughts and
beliefs and theories onto you to get you a part of this whole group of
people, when nine times out of ten, nobody experiences that. That type
of stuff, you know, and which we'll get into later on with regressions
and like all that, because it's a big sham as well. But anyway,
I just kind of like fell into it. I watched, you know,
the movie Zeitgeist when it came out in two thousand and eight. I
think that's when it came out around that time around that area. Don't quote
me one I have so many sounds about right, I have so many dates,
and there's so many things that I got to remember in my head.
But the I watched that movie and I was like, oh wow, you
know, like it's all a bunch of nonsense, you know, because it
gets into the you know, the money, the currency, nine to eleven,
religion, and then because I always knew that there was something wrong with
the way that our society operates, you know, things didn't seem right,
and I knew that from a very young age. I was like, why
are these people so disingenuous? Like why are they hiding something from me?
It feels like they're all hiding something from me. They're not telling me exactly
what's going on. So that just took me down a whole path of you
know, getting into research and going deep down and getting into spirituality. That's
the main reason that I started my show Raised by Giants was you know,
that was the original thought was spirituality because I was like, well, you
know, how do we fix a lot of the problems and the things that
we have going on in our society? And I was like, well,
you know, if people would just become more spiritual and more in tune with
themselves and stop looking to outside sources to save them. Then I think they
as we get better. And I still believe in that. But a lot
of the spiritual community is full of a bunch of gobbly goob nonsense new age
garbage as well. And that's what I figured out with all of the communities
all like that. All of them are filled with just a bunch of nonsense.
But that's where I started, was with the spiritual community. And you
know, I thought that all these people knew what they were talking about,
you know, and I thought that they practiced what they said that they did,
you know, like they're on here talking about all well, I do
this. I do that, I contact my spirit guides, that the extraterrestrials
come down and meet me in my home and I have conversations with them and
blah blah blah blah blah blah. And at first it sounds fascinating and it
sounds like, oh, well, you know, maybe they are telling the
truth, maybe they are in contact with something. But the more you look
at it, the more you realize it's a bunch of nonsense and they're just
making shut up and they don't do any of the things that they say that
they do. It's like a it's it's been all wrapped into this this freaking
spiritual New Age nonsense. And then I was like, Okay, well where
does a lot of these thoughts and a lot of these ideas come from.
And then I started getting in the cults, into UFO cults, and I
tracked back the Cult of im all the way back to the thirties with Guy
and the Ballard, and you realize that that is where a lot of this
stuff started. So with Guy and and the Ballard, with the Cult of
I Am in the early thirties, they had all of these concepts wrapped up
into their cult that people talk about to this very day. Like twin Flames
wasn't called twin flames back then. It was called twin Rays. You know,
like all of these different thoughts and ideas that have just been morphed and
then changed into something different and kind of renamed, but is very similar for
a new generation of people. And I studied all these calls, looked at
all of them, all of the UFO cults, and there's a big boom
in the early fifties. You got the Ashtar galactic command called you have the
seekers UFO call, you have the Unarious Academy called, and it seems like
that what a lot of people are regurgitating are the exact same beliefs and the
same structures from these cults, And especially with the Heaven's Gate call, like
a lot of the things that Marshall apple White was talking about, and you
can find all of that information. He recorded like hundreds and hundreds of sessions
where he's just talking and talking and talking, very interesting things that he's saying.
But when you realize that what he's singing, other people have just changed
and turned just slightly, and then it's become a part of their beliefs system
and their belief structure as well. So well, the culture're talking about right
now, do you ever in your research uncovered military intelligence or just basic intelligence
connections with any or all of them, Not directly, but I mean indirectly,
because it all started in the early fifties, there was that big boom,
and that's right when the MK Ultra programs, the CIA started MK ulture
programs. So there's there's an inadvertent connection there, but nothing that really connects
them directly to I mean, there's a few of them that like the Order
of the Solar Temple in Geneva, Switzerland, which was a very prominent cult
and would only accept members it had a lot of money that was like high
up in scientology sort of. And so it's not out of the realm of
possibility that a lot of people, a lot of the followers of some of
these cults could have been in positions of power. They could have been CIA
representatives, they could have been military assets, they could have been three letter
organization people, because they really got a lot of well known I mean,
if you look at David Grush and the Waco the branch davidians oh yeah,
sorry, I get him, yeah Brush, because they're very, very similar,
and no one has really put that together. I've been trying to say
that for a long time since Dave Grush came out the UFO whistleblower, because
right whenever he came out, I was in like a huge, big deep
dive into Waco, and I was like, this guy, his name sounds
exactly like David Kresh, Dave Dave Krash, Yeah, almost identical. I
was like, is no one putting this together? Right now? If you
say it in a hurry, it's there's no difference between them, really,
yeah, no difference, but he has he had a lot of like he
had like lawyers and like, yeah, the mailman was a follower of the
branch Davidians. And isn't he the one who tipped him off to the mail
man? Well, yeah, he's the one that came in to the compound
and was like yeah, they're they're getting ready to mount an attack. So,
I mean, there's so many different correlations. And that's another thing that
people is like, well, how can these you know, high up individuals
get involved in this kind of stuff? And you know, with the Heavens
skate call a lot of the people that came and said well, you know,
how did you get involved in this and all that? And they're like,
well, it's because it was something that I had never heard before and
I found it so interesting and I started following it and I got into it,
and then the Heaven's Gate got into like all this androgynois Yeah, if
they started making people dress androgynous and men couldn't have beards, women couldn't have
long hair. Weren't many of the men castrated that were in Heaven's Gates.
I believe it was five of them they got chemically Well it's up in the
air if they were chemically castrated or the another where they actually got cut.
No one really knows, but I believe officially it was Marshall apple White,
which was the head of the cult, and five of the followers traveled to
Mexico and got castrated. Now you could just do that over the counter in
America with all the hormone therapies you can get. You know, it's crazy
and a little bit ahead at the time, that exactly. And then as
a part of the agenda and everything that he was talking about and how he
wanted to form and structure everyone and get everyone on like a regimented schedule where
they can only have a certain amount of food at a certain time. They
all had to dress the same way, they got the same rations, the
same portions. There was a list of rules and guidelines that you have to
follow. You know. He wanted all the followers to be very robotic.
He even changed the names of all of the followers. He changed him to
Odi, so the last name was always Ody. Well, he combined the
first like three letters of their name along with Odi, so it'd be like
Ryoty if I was a Heaven's Gate cult follower. He would have changed my
name to Ryoti. Now, was this technically a UFO cult because they believed
they were going to hop on behind the comment as it passed by, or
is it it's kind of its own thing? I classified as a UFO call
because the whole premise of what they talked about was that a ship was going
to come down and ascend them into the ship, and then that they would
then be transformed into an extraterrestrial and live forever in the level above human.
Okay, so that was the whole thing. But then it started to kind
of fall apart. Whenever Bonnie Nettles died. She died brain cancer, and
that was his kind of significant un there, but not really because they were
supposedly a sexual. I guess you can have relationships with that fucking but I
don't know. It seems weird to me. Yeah, And whenever she died
and she didn't ascend up into the next level above human in an intergalactic spaceship,
people were like, what's going on here? What are you doing?
So then he just started clam down like hardcore I meet it about like a
spiritual ascension and started talking about how we're just vessels and we're like a skin
suit, and our consciousness is inside of the skin suit that allows us to
animate this body and go around. And then whenever we die, our consciousness,
our physical body dies, it doesn't transform into an extraterrestrial and the next
level evolutionary level above human. Our physical body dies, but our consciousness goes
on. So were they expecting her to make contact and she didn't, They're
like, hey, what the hell's going on here? Well, yeah,
they've been preaching this idea that if you're a follower of this called and you
follow their strict guidelines and listen to what they say, and you believe it
that you're going to physically ascend into a spacecraft when you die, then you'll
be transformed into an immortal extraterrestrial. So, had she not died, very
possible that the mass suicide would have not taken place as it did, maybe
as soon as it did, or if at all. Yeah, that's a
good question. It's a high possibility that it wouldn't have happened the way that
it did if she wouldn't have died. But they all change up their beliefs
and their doctrine when something unexpected occurs that they can't really explain. They then
switch it and change it and to kind of eded out what they were seeing
before, and then they kept the whole thing going. Like the Order of
the Solar Temple with Joseph Demambro, he uh, he got caught faking apparitions
with smoking mirrors and like freaking all this stuff during their initiation ceremony because that
was a way to get the initiates to believe that he really was in contact
with the Brotherhood. Right, so whenever they were doing this Masonic ritualistic initiation
into their cult, they would they would fake an apparition that the initiate would
one see and then that would solidify the that it's real. They would become
a devout follower, and then that they would give all their money to the
cult. And then he got caught up because his daughter rotted him out and
was like, hey, ah, you're just you're you're faking all this stuff,
and I know that you're faking it. So he then in order to
cover that up, he started saying that all of his all the followers were
very important people. They were all reincarnations of famous saints throughout history, which
is another motif that the Heaven's Gate Call did as well. He started saying
that all of the followers of the cult were which he claimed that he was
the reincarnation of Jesus Christ himself more shall away from the Heaven's Gate courts.
Really he said that, wow, And he said that all of the followers
were all of his disciples back whenever he was Jesus, and that body metals
was Mary Magdalen. Oh, that's starting to unfamiliar now, and there the
two from the Book of Revelations. You know, it's just it's it's it's
another thing to like hook people in, you know, like when one thing
doesn't work out, they're like, oh, well, how do we switch
this up and change it and work it to our benefit. I see a
lot of big podcasts doing that, like, yes, oh, this market's
big now, so I'm to become this guy and then like you cast a
wide enough net, you know where you can get a lot more attention that
way. And some of it might be that's the word I'm looking for,
like legit. I guess like they're truthful about it. But I see like
Christianity right now is really big and a lot of podcasters are having reawakenings into
Christianity, and maybe it is genuine. I don't know, but it's kind
of convenient that you see the whole Maga movement kind of shifted conspiracy into a
conservative religious type area where all the new conspiracy theorists these days are kind of
in that crowd. So you see a lot of the big content creators kind
of making that shift. Yeah, they've turned into political pundits. Yeah,
so weird, dude. I don't know when this switch happened. It had
to have happened in around two fifteen two, I think that's dead on.
Yeah, and then of course the Key movie brought in a whole bunch of
others, but it was already happening before that. That was kind of that
I scene on the shit Cake. Yeah, I'm glad that you recognize that
because I've seen that as well. Like, because back whenever I was looking
into a lot of this stuff, it was just straight wild and wacky conspiracy
theories and that was the fun part of it, Like you knew that a
lot of it was nonsense, but it was fun to listen to. None
of these people are fun to listen to anymore, Like I don't listen to
anybody hardly anything. It can be tough. Yeah, I mean I'll put
in Joe Rogan because I like Joe Rogan, like that's really about it.
And but anybody else, dude, like I just like I don't get it,
Like I don't really understand it, and people can come at me whatever.
With Joe Rogan, I really don't care if like I've always listened to
him. Yeah, I a critical mind things differently. He actually pulls up
evidence and people say that you, oh, he's a sigh op and then
he's just controlled opposition. Who the who the fuck cares? Like, I
really don't care. I think that what he's putting out is uh is solid
information, and he tries to verify that information. He tries to pull it
up and come to a solid conclusion. Did you what was your take on
the Terrence Howard stuff? Did you get into any of that? I didn't
really get into it. I listened to it. Yeah, I see it.
To me, I think it was Isaac Weishaup, who even probably was
on tinfoil hat that he said it. He just, you know, he
needs to learn to dumb down his material or else. I'm just gonna think
he's full of shit, and I don't think that's always easy for like,
this guy is a legit genius. They don't realize that they need to dumb
down their stuff oftentimes. So I don't know anyway, Yeah, I think
that the whole conspiracy movement these days is there's a lot of pro government inside
of it, which was antithetical to everything I ever thought about with conspiracy stuff
exactly. It went from we never trust the government, we don't let the
government tell us what to do. They're in charge of everything, and now
being in full swing, full pro government. It's wild. It's like the
punk movement now if you remember the punk movement, like back in the nineties,
like late eighties into the nineties, they're like all against government, and
now they're all for government. Yeah, all of the bring the system down
bans of the nineties were the ones that were pushing the vacks the hardest,
like all of them. That's right, it's wild whenever you think about it,
and I think you're Ryan and singing that the QAnon thing kind of pushed
a lot of people in that direction. It's just really strange. And you
know, they also with the taking down of a lot of people's shows and
the YouTube purging, it's difficult for new people to really figure out where a
lot of this stuff started. Like I was looking for Jim Mars things online
the other day because I was making a short video because I mentioned him and
I wanted to put him in the short video of the reel, and I
tapped in Jim Mars on YouTube. Nothing nothing on Jim Mars. I saw
you live last night talking about how you had gone on the hunt for this
old Alex Jones Joe Rogan clip and it was almost impossible to find. Like
I have a lot of similar events happened where I know I saw this,
and I never think to back things up because you don't know what they're going
to take down. So did you get affected personally by any of this YouTube
censorship where big purge. No, I didn't because I didn't start my channel
until twenty twenty, and I meet up all about spirituality. So you made
it through the whole COVID censorship thing. Yeah, because I didn't mention it.
I didn't say it. I didn't talk about it because I wanted to
be safe with it, because I'm not going to be a martyr. I
mean, if people don't know what was going on with COVID by now,
they're not going to they don't. Yeah, I mean literally no point in
talking about it now because the people that already know what's going on already know
what's going on. The people that don't know what's going on, they're not
going to change. No. Yeah, I think very similarly to that.
Okay, So when we were just on the topic, I think it's a
good segue because we're talking about people being like, not so much as pro
government, but they'll actually take the government's perspective at face value, as such
as the big disclosure movement that's kind of recently unfolding before our very eyes,
to where I don't know, what, do you you could tie that into
this big sy op that you have been looking into lately if you can,
or we could go back even further than that. I don't know where you
want to start. Yeah, I mean we have, like the we've let
the UFO and the extraterrestrial speculation go so far out of hand that I personally
believe that it serves to make people easily fooled by scammers, drifters, fraudsters
that really prefer a lie and bring zero evidence and zero proof to what they're
talking about. And this could mean that any group or individual or government could
use this modern myth of UFOs and extraterrestrials that could be used to, for
the lack of a better word, undermine our society through the deceptiveness missing disinformation
surrounding UFO. Because when you track back all this stuff and you really get
into the weeds on where a lot of these thoughts and theories, just like
what I was talking about with the UFO cults and how that has morphed and
changed into a lot of the New Age thoughts and ideas and philosophy. The
UFO missing disinformation that has come directly from the government has shaped and molded ufology
and this current contacta movement really started with a gentleman named Samuel Eaton Thompson in
nineteen fifty, and no one talks about because they've never even heard his name.
And this is connected also with Kenneth Arnold. But Samuel Eaton Thompson in
nineteen fifty claimed that he was driving in Washington State and he saw a strange
craft and that there was beings outside of the children and he walked up to
the craft. They invited him into the craft. They told him that they
were Venetians, that they were vegetarians, that they are here too, they
just randomly came by Earth, and that a lot of their other people that
try to visit Earth, their ships are shot down by military weapons, but
somehow they made it, and that in the year of I believe it was
the year five thousand. I'd have to look it up, so don't quote
me, but the year of five thousand is when Jesus Christ is supposed to
return, right, So we got a while, got a while, We
got a while to wait, Okay. Jesus isn't coming back for at least
another three thousand years, Okay, So don't don't be thinking that this end
of the world yet. We got a lot of more lives to go before
we get to the Jesus Christ return. Right. But no one ever talks
about these people because the story was really overshadowed by Kenneth Arno's sightings in nineteen
forty seven and then later on Betty and Barney Hill in nineteen sixty one.
Just like who I was mentioning earlier, George man Tassel with the Ashtar Galactic
Command cult in nineteen fifty two, or George King from the Etherist Society cult,
or Dorothy Martin from the Seekers UFO called in nineteen fifty four that made
several predictions that didn't come true. And she made this prediction that in the
year of nineteen fifty three, December twenty third of nineteen fifty three, a
UFO was going to land and save us from a big natural disaster that was
getting ready to happen, and that we would be saved by this extraterrestrial race.
So then a psychiatrist infiltrated into the group and to study their behaviors whenever
the predictions didn't come true. He was the actual person that coined the term
cognitive dissonance. I once heard that term cognitive dissonance. Well, they don't
know that it came from a freaking studying a UFO cult, the Seekert's UFO
cult, Dorothy Martin from nineteen fifty four. So all of these supposed you
know, this contact Tea movement has brought about a wave of theories and speculations
that can really be tied to the rise and the popularization of the extra trestrial
myth, which is a huge aspect of ufology that literally no one wants to
talk about, and it's a huge issue and it's steeped in mental illness and
drug addiction and drug abuse right well, and it really starts with Kenneth Arnold,
which was the first in modern times to see a UFO, and the
miss and disinformation and the misquote that was that Kimi Thornald said that he said
wasn't really true. See Kimith Thornald said that he was flying this plane in
Washington, d C. In nineteen forty seven. He saw a string of
craft up to nine I believe it was, and then he he landed his
plane in Yakima, Washington. He talked to some of his friends. His
friends said, Okay, so you said Washington, d C. So this
was Washington State where where he's flying? Okay, I'm sorry, did I
say? Did I say? Washington? Said DT? And I was kind
of confused, just because I'd heard you talk about this on another show.
So it's Washington sta, I said, That's okay, Washington, No worries.
I've had a lot of things that I need to remember, but he's
Washington State, Okay. So and it's important to realize that a lot of
the things that a lot of the sightings from back in the day, they
weren't you know, there were shields, there were pillars, there were flying
chariots. And it's important to talk about that because I realized the history of
this stuff because but just because I don't mention it doesn't mean that I don't
know about it, right, And you always have that one person that's like,
oh, this guy doesn't know what he's talking about. There's been a
history of these UFOs way back in the day. Blah blah blah blah blah,
and uh, you know he's full of shit. Well I know about
all that stuff, but it wasn't it wasn't flying saucers back then. They
were seeing something different. And that gets in the Carl Jung's perspective on what
UFOs are and how it's like a projection of what we're going through at that
time and the things that we know about and the things that we've experienced.
So people are out on the battlefield seeing that I seen a disc in the
sky or the sun. I mean there's people back in the day that thought
that the sun that would come up was a UFO. They caught it.
A disc disc comes up in the morning and then it sets at night,
you know. And through those times and through the experiences that these people have
had, they they correlate something that they see psychologically in the sky to what's
going on during their time. Mm hmm and uh, that's right. But
back to Kenneth Arnold sod landing in Yakima, Washington, when I when I
you have to ask about DC. Yeah, So he landed in Yakima,
Washington. He told his friend Al Baxter about the sighting Arnold and shared a
story with other pilots. They said maybe what he had saw was uh,
you know, military missiles, and they claimed it maybe it was a military
craft. And Arnold he wasn't really he didn't really believe these explanations that these
other people and his friends and other pilots were telling him that he saw.
So the next day he walked into a news station and told his story to
a gentleman named Nolan Skiff. Now Nolan published a short article with the headline
that said something like impossible but maybe seeing his believing and the story was then
forwarded to the Associated Press and then it got worldwide distribution and from that point,
the turn Flying Saucer was born. And when you look at Arnold's testimony,
which he did a lot of interviews, he did a lot of radio
shows, he never used the term flying saucer to describe the shape of the
craft, right. He said that the shape was bat shaped, crescent shaped,
boomerang shape, half moon shaped. And he said that a lot of
what people said that he had saw were misunderstood, like a lot of what
the newspapers in the headlines were creating the term flying saucer when he said that,
he never said that the shape of the craft was the flying saucer.
And then he worked very difficult, really hard up until the end of his
life, I believe, in nineteen eighty four to really combat the flying saucer
narrative. But the problem is is it became such a frenzy topic and then
other people started to report seeing the same thing. See, it just takes
one person to see something really strange and really weird, and then other people
jump on board and claim that they've seen the exact same thing. It's kind
of like with Whitley Strieber in his book Communion with the Gray Aliens. Nobody
talked about gray aliens up until the point that that book came out, and
same with Bud Hopkins in his book Missing Time. No one talked about Missing
Time until his book came out on Missing Time and related what people were experiencing
to UFO abductions to extraterrestrial aductions. So it just takes one person and it
blow up in order to create this entire frenzy. And then it doesn't matter
if people saw the same thing or not. They're going to say that they
saw the same thing. And then when you get into what was the term
flying saucer before? What was that used for before nineteen forty seven and Kennethornald
in these newspapers coming down and seeing the Kennethorno saw the flying saucer at which
I'm going to get into here in a few minutes, but I don't want
to get off tracks. So the media took the saucer title and they just
ran with it, and they created all these headlines saucer shaped craft were spotted
when Arnold literally never referred to the shape of the craft as saucer and shape
again, it was bat shaped, crescent shape, moon shape, shaped like
a pie pan, and a pie pan or a pie plate. And in
nineteen sixty Arnold came out with a drawing of the craft he saw, and
it's batshaped, circular winged in the back. And you would think with Arnold
coming out with this drawing of the craft, it would really stop everyone from
continuing to talk about flying saucers. But it didn't because too much time had
passed in between him seeing it and talking about it and then the artist's rendition
coming out. It was just kind of ignored because the flying saucer talk had
become such a popular thing that there was no stopping it. It was a
train that was heading for a crash, and there was no stopping that train.
Right. So on April seventh, nineteen fifty, Arnold spills the beings
on all the flying saucer misrepresentation and misquote. Arnold said that the objects that
he witnessed fluttered like there were boats on really rough water, and he said
that they flew. They flew like a saucer thrown across water. And most
of the newspapers at that time misunderstood and misquoted him saying that the shape of
the craft was sorcerer in shape. When Arnold said that they flew like saucer's
thrown across water. They missed this ten years before he came out with the
grawings. Then, yeah, well it was Yeah, he came out with
the drawing in I believe nineteen nineteen sixty. Yes, so he's still like
trying to get this point across after all this time. That's crazy. Then,
yeah, no one's listening to him. Yeah, he said that they
flew like saucerers skipping across water, and the headline said that they were saucer
and shape, and that's probably the the biggest misquote of all time, you
know. And he also claimed the he had several other signings after that,
which you know, we don't really know if they were real or not,
because he'd probably seen the public interest was peaking really big and he wanted to
try and one up himself, as kind of like making a sequel to a
movie, right, you want to make the sequel to the movie bigger and
better than the first one, And that's probably what he was trying to do.
But none of the other signings ever gained any kind of traction because it
had taken off and other people were experiencing the same thing. But he also
quoted that what other people were experiencing at that time were not the same,
or they were nothing at all. So if people would have just listened to
Kenneth Donald from the beginning, they'd realize that a lot of the stuff is
nonsense. And then you get into what the turn flying saucer actually was before
it was associated with UFOs. And this is a bender because a lot of
people that know about this don't even know what to think about it. They
it's perplexing. So before it was associated with UFOs, flying saucers was a
sport. In This sport predated Arnold's sightings by over sixty years, which was
called trap shooting, which was started in the late eighteen hundreds as a way
to train hunters and shooters in which they would release live birds from a cage
use them as target practice, and then later it was changed to these little
clay flat disc I'm sure that if people aren't familiar with trap shooting, you've
probably seen it in a movie or something like an old school movie where you
know, Paul Rich and sophisticated people would you know, throw up these clay
pigeons and they would have a shotgun or a gun or whatever and they would
shoot the clay pigeon and explode it. So a man binding the name of
Charles Lewitski in eighteen eighty he was the one that dubbed these little clay pigeons
flying saucers. I hope you see where this is going. So by the
early nineteen hundreds, flying saucers, which are now clay pigeons, have become
a very popular sport. There were competitions, championships, and there was newspaper
headlines that would say that the skies of North America are covered in flying saucers,
flying through the air, exploding and falling to Earth, and they even
look like what the commonly accepted version of what people think of UFO is.
Yes, the exact replica of the phrases that everyone thought several decades later with
Kenneth Arnold sing the Roswell siding and the sightings in the fifties. There's no
way that that's just a coincidence, right, And it would explain the need
for the media machine to keep on track with the description of flying sascers,
because clearly there's some intent behind this to we're already seated, our minds are
already seated with these things. And once you like predictive or you program somebody
that is yeah, you just accept it a lot easier. And like you
said, the imagery is just spot on. It is unbelievable. And by
the nineteen hundreds, the named flying saucerers. By the early nineteen hundreds,
it had become such a commonplace name. It had been being used for over
two decades, the support of flying saucers. Now it became so popular it
was even adopted by the Olympics in nineteen sixteen. And then, now,
let me ask you, did they change the name of the original flying saucer
to clay pigeon after Kinnethernoald's story because it was just like, well, we
can't call playing sass anymore. Well, it kind of it fell out of
favor whenever the military adopted it to train their soldiers in target practice in the
beginning of World War two. Okay, so whenever America got involved in World
War two, which I think is nineteen forty two, somewhere around in there.
I think it's nineteen forty two or nineteen forty. It was late,
we entered the war, really late. But the Air Force adopted the clay
pigeons, which were called flying saucers, and then that fell out of favor
within the public. People stopped, people stopped doing it because the military took
it over. And then with Kenneth Arnold's sightings two years after the war ends
in nineteen forty five, then it gets a rebrand into these into flying saucers
that are supposedly piloted by extra trestrials, right, And I mean, we
can't discount the food fighter program that the Germans supposedly had going on. So
it just made me think of that when you're training people to shoot flying saucers
in the military, And I know, like we could go down all sorts
of crazy rabbit holes with the whole food fighter program and the Antarctica and all
that, but that's that's another show. Yeah, So we have this,
We have the clay pigeons being called flying saucers since nineteen eighty, hundreds and
thousands of people being familiar with that term but related to something different. The
military adopted the term, and in the early forties, during World War Two,
two years after the war ended, we get the same term but under
a different context, you know. And it's important for me to also lay
outdated this book by a gentleman named Chris Allback that I got a lot of
this information from. I've had them on show a couple of times now.
But the name of his book is Sorcerers. You find it on Amazon's by
Sorcerers by Chris Albeck, and he outlines all this in great detail. He
shows you all the newspaper articles, how big, how popular of a sport
this flying saucers was from back in the late eighteen hundreds. It shows you
news headlines how similar the disc are to that, And I just want to
give him a shout out for that information. So really, what we have
here is that the entire subject of ufology is based on something that's a fallacy.
And ufology has been used in the shape of a round disc when it
was never described by Arnold as a disc or flying. So so that means
that we've had the shape of this craft wrong for essentially seventy seven years.
And I mean it's been reiterated in the culture, the pop culture, the
fiction. Steven Spielberg's ran with it. I mean you think of his alien
craft and yeah, yeah, the flying social mythology. It's a lie,
it's a fallacy, it's a misnomer, and it's a misinterpreted misquote from newspaper
reporters, the media, journalists and researchers, and still the most popular symbol
of uphology, even though it's not really called flying saucers anymore. I mean
a few people they were trying to bring back the term, I don't know,
a couple of months ago, whenever I started really getting in, I
seeing Jeremy Corbell and a few other people started calling them flying saucerers. Again.
Uh, it's a lie. That's never what they look like. Yeah.
Now, so we went from UFOs and flying sausters to UAPs and tic
TACs. That's in like a span of eighty years or whatever. Now it's
getting ready to shift again. That's getting ready to shift in the us OS.
Uh huh, I heard you talking about this. So this is coming
out of the ocean. Yes, and that's going to be the new thing.
Everybody's going to be talking about aliens or not from outside of our our
atmosphere from Yeah, that's what the that's the new thing. Harvard scientists already
came out with an article a couple of days ago talking about that they're not
from outer space, they're an ancient civilization from the planet. Well, now
we can get the flat earthers on board again with the aliens. I mean,
but that's a that's a common thing when because that's something that's been talked
about for a really long time too, but never really put too much credence
into it, because people want to believe that we're not the only species in
the universe. But they've heard that before a lot of people have talked about
that before that, and but just in a different way, right, they're
like, oh, well, they're here, they've always been here. There's
alien human hybrids, they're among us, they're walking amongst us, you know.
So that was set up for what's about to happen with this USO push,
with the cryptoterrestrial push, because people are tired of not seeing any evidence
or not seeing any proof, so they have to change it just slightly,
exactly like what I was talking about with the cults earlier on conversation. When
their predictions and their things that they're talking about doesn't come to fruition, we'll
start getting tired of it not happening. They have to change slight. And
I saw the I think it might have been a conversation you were having with
somebody actually a while back about Elon Musk saying that, Yeah, we've got
all these satellites up there, and we've never had to veer around any kind
of craft or anything on its way down here. So I don't think aliens
are out there. And it's like, you know that guy, he's the
tip of the spear when it goes to a lot of the way we shift
these things. And also it made me think of James Cameron, who's a
big purveyor of all the mythology. I mean, you get your AI stuff,
he's on alien stuff. But he made the movie The Abyss in the
eighties, which was about alien activity under the ocean. And yeah, that's
where it's gonna shift because it has to because you can't really go any further
with outer space aliens. And even these guys that are were doing the to
get back to Grush, that were doing the congressional hearings, do they specifically
sit this is from outer space? They could just hop on this USO thing
that you're talking about around the corner. They don't. I don't think that
either Captain Fraverer or Ryan Graves really ever mentioned that they're from outer space.
Right now? What they do say, which is what they always say,
and what they've always said from going back twenty thirty years, which is what
they've said from Project blue Book, Project Grudge, and all those other governmental
projects to investigate UFOs. They've been seeing the same thing forever now, that
the craft outmaneuver their craft, that we don't know what it is because it
moves at speeds it does maneuvers that we don't know of any current technology that
can do this. They mess with our radar. That's been the stance that
they've had since the beginning of all this. They've literally been seeing the exact
same thing this entire time. Nothing has changed, and people still don't get
it. And then they say, oh, well, after each one of
the big events, there's normally like a military official that comes out, normally
someone from the Air Force. It's like it was definitely done. After the
Washington flap event of nineteen fifty two, they have an Air Force official come
out and say, oh, well, we don't have any reason to believe
that this has anything to do with extra trash trips. They're telling you right
to your face that it's not extra trash triols. That only leaves one other
option the craft is real, which I think that it is, and it's
not extraterrestriels. It's not extraterrestrials. That only leaves one other option. You
only got one other thing, and that's that it's human, that is human
craft, that it's a military craft, and they've been trying to cover that
up for a really long time, and that gets God, what do you
think of bob Blezar then, because he's one of these guys who to bring
back Rogan. You know, he kind of broke the Internet with his stuff,
and it just to me seems like he's one of those guys that maybe
really honest about what he saw but was misled in a way, or maybe
he's full of shit, but he's making it sound like this can't be human
from things that he saw and these elements that are undiscovered and stuff like that.
But then again, did he really say that? Where am I just
left with that impression? That's an important question. I think that it's a
possibility that babble Zar dude see something. He was shown something, But again,
people are showing things not given any explanation for them, so that they'll
go out into the public and talk about it and speculative, speculatory discussion about
it and theorize about it, which then gets everybody on board with those theories
and those speculations. Because he even knew that, he was showing his friends
like, oh, you know, I'm going to take you to the edge
of the desert and we're going to watch these flings. They caught him.
I don't know if he used the term flying sass. He's God damn it
almost didn't, but he saw these craft and he would show his friends,
and they caught him right, and they said, oh, you know,
slap on the wrists, don't do this again. So yeah, they want
him to tell people, Yeah, that's what happened. And one thing that's
really interesting is that I remember Babazar mentioning within his story that he was under
the impression that at least one of the craft that he saw was dug up
in an archaeological dig, which makes a lot of sense to me because everyone
wants to talk about oh, crasher, trible crasher trieble. This is a
crash re trieble. We've seen it. It fell from the sky. We
went and investigated another country, seen it on radar, and came out and
found it and we went and picked it up and reverse engineered it. And
that's how we came out with these crafts. That doesn't have to be the
case. See, they do double speak, and they they hide definitions for
words within other words. Crash retrieble doesn't mean what doesn't have to mean that
it happened in modern times like me and you picked up right now. We
went to Iraq, right or we went to Afghanistan or somewhere in the Middle
East, Syria, So we went down to the Syrian desert and we decided
to take a team of archaeologists with this. We escavate all this stuff.
We find something that is strange, seems like a technology. It's in the
shape of some sort of craft that is a crash retrieval. Doesn't matter how
much time has passed in between finding the thing and when it came down,
it's still a crash retrieval. So that's what I think. If the crash
retrieval stuff, if it's not just completely made up, then they found it
in archaeological digs, and it's from a previous civilization back who knows how long
ago, So we could be reversed engineering ancient technology, ancient human technology,
is what you're saying. Yes, okay, because I this this just opens
up a whole other can of worms, because you get this thing in sci
fi that's really common, and it's that the aliens are us from the future.
But but yeah, us from the past is a whole new spin on
that. I think that that is way more plausible than extraterrestrials coming from outer
space and time traveling, time traveling or somehow being a very advanced civilization but
then somehow crashing. It never made any sense to me at all, Like
they're highly sophisticated, advanced species that is able to travel a vast distance,
but then you get to Earth and you crash your craft. Yeah, they
just they know they were They're coming in on fumes, they've been drinking the
whole way, and they just couldn't keep the craft straight once they got through.
Yeah, that doesn't mean I'd never thought of it like that. It's
funny, but I mean that makes sense if you're taking the consideration how many
times I was some sort of civilization been here. How advanced were they?
You know, because when people think of an advanced civilization, they don't think
of it in the right terms. They think of an advanced civilization I was
on the same trajectory that we're currently on, but doesn't have to be the
case. It can be a completely different kind of advanced civilization, and that
would explain it an element that we had never seen before, making it if
it was a crash retrieval from that long ago that Yeah, sorry, I
was just thinking out loud, basically, because once you think of it like
that, what you just said about it just being from way back then,
everything falls in line, really and you wouldn't be able to figure it out
because I guarantee. Let's just fast forward two hundred years into the future,
right now, let's take a vision quest to two hundred years in the future.
Do you think any of this shit's going to work? Of course not.
Yeah, Like everything that we have right now is going to be obsolete.
No one's going to know how to work any of this stuff. If
someone finds a freaking iPhone two hundred years in the future, they're going to
be like, what is this? I don't know what this is. One.
We don't have the we don't have the adapters to be able to freaking
even plug it into anything. And you can see the evidence of this just
in the past twenty five years. Start out with floppy disk, store your
data on in your computer, or play or put documents on or whatever.
Now no one uses floppy disk. If you had a floppy disk right now
that had top secret information on it, good luck, I'm not going to
be able to use it. It's obsolete. No one even has a floppy
disk drive anymore. And that's just twenty five years ago. So the way
that our technology is progressing at such a rapid rate, things that first came
out are no longer usable. So imagine two hundred years in the future,
how technologically advanced things are going to be. The things that we're using now,
when in even thirty years from now is going to be obsolete. This
stuff's going to be like a dinosaur. Your computer is going to be a
dinosaur. Well, and it makes me wonder if Elon has his way and
the majority of the population chip up, then yeah, physical devices are going
to be just like what you're talking about with storage. Most people do store
on the cloud now, I mean your everyday man pictures all that stuff,
so it's on a physical server somewhere. But yeah, it's just going to
be pretty obsolete, especially if he does get his chips and heads and you
are the device at that point. So yeah, these things are going to
be I don't know, you're saying thirty years, that's pretty plausible that we
won't even have smartphones by then. Well, I mean that's been the whole
setup from you know, the transgender LGBTQ stuff, from transgender to transhuman.
That's exactly right. That's what it is, that's the agenda, that's what
it's all about. Yeah, I wondered why Tavistock has been pushing this shit
since like the fucking way before David Bowie even you know where you got in.
That androgen is pushed kind of like a soft entrance into where we are
today and in twenty years whenever, all the kids that have been brainwashed in
these public schools and told that they can be whatever they want, they can
identify as whatever they want, and that is acceptable to change their gender and
be a male if they're a female, or be a female if they're male.
When it comes time to introduce cybernetics onto the human population, it'll be
easy. Well, it'll be preferable to a lot of these people who have
chemically castrated themselves and they're now asexual because of the hormone replacements that they all
went through. It's going to look better to be like a digital being and
your body's just fucking shot now, So why not that? And they've gotten
they would have gotten around all of the laws m to do that, because
now in some states and in some places, kids don't even have to have
their parents' permission to start some sort of uh transitioning process and some states that
the parents can get the kids taken away from the myth. They are on
board with that, that's right. So they're you're super usurping all the laws
right now, skirting around it, finding a back door. So whenever those
kids are old enough, they're going to be like, oh, yeah,
don't you want to bring chip and pland don't you want to be don't you
want to be telepathic? They don't you want to freaking cyborg arm? You
know, Oh, we don't have a liver transplant for you, but what
we do have is a cybernetic liver that we can put in you that will
work even better than a real liver. And that's what Because I did a
show the other day with the lady Lauren Anton and I was searching for this
Alicge Jones clip that you were mentioning earlier that was very difficult to find.
And I listened to that entire interview, the entire five hour conversation. It's
an incredible conversation between Alixe Jones and Joe Rogan. But he was talking about
how his dad was involved in this DARPA program to create cyborgs, human cyborgs
and this is this would have been jones father. Yes, yeah, And
that always stuck with me, like whenever I heard that. I heard that
in twenty nineteen as soon as it came out, and I'd always put that
in the back of my head. I was like, huh, it's really
the same episode where he was talking about Kaimas with the human pig hybrids too,
and then yes, that episode is the one that you met. It's
not really pushed they was. They're everything he said. Joe was making Jamie
pull it up like and then the guy that was given the Democrat that was
talking about like abortions after the kids born. It was one of the most
provocative episodes they've done together. So that's that makes sense why you couldn't find
it. I tried to type. I typed in the entire title because I
I went to YouTube. I tried to type in Joe Rogan, Alex Jones.
Only two of them popped up. I searched and searched and searched,
but I didn't have the name of the episode to be able to type in.
I just remembered them doing it even try then, I when I found
out the name of the episode, I even tried to type it in to
YouTube. It didn't pop up, didn't come up. There they're suppressing the
shit out of that entire episode. But then when I typed it into Google,
it was the first thing that popped up. So I had to have
the title. The name title, which is Joe Rogan Experience Alex Jones returns.
You have to type that into Google then it'll pop up. Don't try
typing it into YouTube. It won't come up unless my search engine is just
super wacky. But I don't think that that was the case, because I
tried to rephrase the Google search at least ten times to try and find it.
I even typed in the dialogue because I had remembered exactly what Alex Jones
said in the end with Joe Rogan didn't pop up, so they really want
that episode hidden in. That line with him talking about his dad working on
cyborgs was really a throwaway line, and but it always just stuck with me.
I was like, no one really, no one really made any comments
on that, you know, but that explains a lot and the agenda of
what they were trying to push because everything is dual use, and the way
that Nilie Jones talked about it, he was like, they were using it
for military purposes, right, they were creating these human cyborgs to infiltrate into
other countries, which made sense because I would have been at the I don't
know how old Alex Jones is, but it probably at least would have been
at the end of the Cold War. Yeah. They say he's born in
seventy three, so yeah, and his dad wasn't his dad like a dentist
or something who's had all these crazy CIA connections and DARPA connections. Yeah,
so, I mean the seventies was during the Cold War wall Yeah, Yeah,
I mean it's so it makes sense that they would want to create these
human cyborgs go and infiltrate into other countries and then bring back information. So
and then it turned into well, we'll just put these human cyborgs out in
the public. Yeah. I remember Burmis, Jason Burmas was talking a while
back about how everything neurallink can do that they're excited about, you can do
with the wearables, but they want it in you for a reason, Like
it can't just be something you can take off like a shirt at the end
of the day. They've got to have it in you to get their jinda
through. And I always thought that was pretty interest because didn't they I think
they've just recently put it in a paralyzed veteran and he's playing chess now or
some shit. The big thing with neuralink, and I keep seeing stories like
maybe it failed, but it's hard to keep up with it to kind of
just keep it right on the periphery right now. Well, that's another thing
that they do, is they they use certain people as like a like a
patsy for the technology to be released when they've had it for a really long
time. But yeah, they just give it to somebody that's a public figure
and make it seem like they're the ones that created it. I mean,
he's brought us so much that he didn't create I love looking at Delon's past
because he's famous for buying into companies that have already got their main product out
and then he rewrites the history of the company. He started that shit with
Paipal, and the formula has been repeated. SpaceX is really the only thing
that he built from the ground up out of all his major stuff. And
that's got to tell you something too, that SpaceX is his baby. So
yeah, absolutely, yeah, I mean that's that's the way that And when
you look at you remember that story of the lady on the plane that oh,
that motherfucker is not real, that brings in a completely different Is that
not what you're talking about? That's what I'm talking about, Okay, h
I always kind of believed her. I don't know why. She doesn't seem
to be faking it. She looks like she's hammered and terrified. I always
thought that one was Well, it's like what you were talking about. When
you put an idea into the you know, collective, then it starts repeating.
I remember after that woman's video came out, you start seeing it in
like Asian airplanes, like people freaking out saying I'm from the something parallel dimension
and it's all going to collapse right now. And it's just like on Twitter,
there's like one of those videos a week for a while after her,
So it kind of it was a trend. And that's what they do with
things that were real from the beginning. So then they tack on a bunch
of made up nonsense garbage to make it look like it's all made up nonsense
garbage. Yeah, muddy the waters. That's a tactic that is that is
used all the time, but they they do it for everything, and sometimes
they can even know something real might happen before that, so then they put
out a bunch of fake information before the real thing comes out. So it
works both ways. Now, what do you think about Dwight D. Eisenhower
and the legend around that deal that he supposedly made. What do you think
is behind that? Well, then gets into the whole Paul Benowitz affair and
the missing disinformation that was given directly to Paul Benowitz in the late sixties,
and then I mean the late late seventies, nineteen seventy nine. Sorry,
I guess so much stuff in my head. I'm sorry if I mess up
some dates or times or names or whatever. And We'll give you some leeway
if you're within ten years. Yeah, I'm normally way more spot on,
but I had just woken up an hour before we started this show, so
not quite with it yet. But anyway, that gets into the Paul Benowitz
events and all the things that surround him. In the late seventies, Paul
Benawitz, he lived in close to Kirkling Air Force Base in New Mexico.
You founded this research and scientific place called Thunder Scientific. It was a small
family business with his wife, and they would develop high powered instruments for NASA
and for the Air Force. He was also worked for the Air Force as
a communications person during World War Two. So during the seventies, Paul Beinwitz
he became a member of a research organization which was a civilian UFO investigation group
and on cattle mutilations. Okay, cattle mutilations have become associated with UFOs during
the seventies, and this cattle mutilation group was basically ran by the intelligence community
and an attorney R. E. Thompson, which was a US senator well
US Senator Harrison Schmidt. They held these public mutilation meetings in the late seventies
and Paul Benowitz was one of the people that attended one of these kind of
mutilations that were set up by the intelligence community to find out what people thought
about kind of mulations. They thought that it was connected to extra treasures.
Now some say that the meeting that Paul Benowitz attended was where he was first
introduced to these government agents, because they basically set up the entire meeting.
So which is important because Benowitz later he listed July of nineteen seventy nine as
the beginning of a personal study into UFOs. Because Benwitz reportedly began filming strange
lights and recording strange radio signals over Kirkland Air Force Base. So Paul Benodwitz
would go out as back to or he could literally see Kirkling Air Force Base
from his back patio. He would see these two strange lights hovering above the
ground. They would zip around and float up off of the ground and then
zip around the mountain and all that. And you know, common sense,
I would tell you, if you're seeing something over a military base, it's
the freaking right, Like, give me a break. All these people they
claim to see things like there was a gentleman there that I was talking to,
a contact in the desert that says that he lives outside of area fifty
one and he's filming all this strange activity. I was like, bro,
Area fifty one is a freaking military base. It's the military, dude,
it's strange military craft. He's convinced that there it's extraterrestrial. So Paul being
a radio expert, but yes, that guy that lives outside of air fifty,
well, he's not one convinced. He thinks that it could be a
mixture of both because like you were mentioning with Lazare, well, not with
Lazarre, but the President Eisenhower. So people believing that there's a contract between
extraterrestrials and aliens, that they had this old treaty set up to build an
underground military base. So the extraterrestrials are working with the military. That's been
a nice right, that has been well. He's got a Ike has a
granddaughter that goes on like coast to coast. Now she's an elderly woman herself
now, but she claims that she's channeled by some alien being and she talks
to her grandpa and it's just like and she's on coast to coast it's just
like keeping this ship going for generations. But anyway, I don't want to
get too far off Paul Benowitz, but yeah, that's that's the regurgitation aspect
of this. And then when people hear this third and fourth hand, it's
like Sean ka Patrick from the Head of Arrow, come now with that article
and be like, this is all circular reporting. This is all people that
I've heard this from second and third hand sources that are regurgitating it and talking
about it. And it's a revolving door of theories and speculations that were never
proven to be true in the first place. So Paul Benham was being a
radio expert, worked for the military as a radio engineer. He was well
versed in radio technology. He then decided to try and listen into communications at
Kirkland Air Force Base to try and figure out what these strange lights were if
the military knew what these strange lights were. So then he decoded a bunch
of transmissions and put together that it was about technology, and the technology wasn't
from here, So he began that began his whole journey into the extra tresture
a realm. So in October of nineteen eighty. Binowitz contacted Kirkland Air Force
Base to report his findings, like you would think any you know, triotic
person would do if you're seeing something strange, then you would contact the air
Force base. And he's worked for the Air Force as well, so he
had a good rapport with him, so he contacts the Air Force base.
So at this point ben Witz is on He's like, this has got to
be extraterrestrial. It's definitely extraterrestrials. There's no other but he's so far away
and Bill Moore, I'm jumping all over the place there. But Bill Moore
was sent to him by a gentleman named Richard Doty, and Bill Moore actually
went to Paul Benowitz's house and ben was put out his binoculars and was like,
I see these crafts all the time. Here, look there's one right
here. And then Bill Moore grabs the binoculars and also looks at it and
was like, oh, well, yeah, that's kind of strange. But
then Bill Moore gets in his car and drives up around the mountain to see
if he can get a closer look at it, and it's freaking military helicopters.
It's not UFOs, it's not extra trestrials. It's literally the military doing
exercises, but apparently nobody else did that. It is a bought into what
Benowitz was saying about UFOs and extra trestrials. So when November of nineteen eighty,
Benowitz briefed the people at Kirkland Air Force Base, the military personnel,
the generals and all that, and in order to figure out if anything that
Bennwitz had was real or some of them, some of the generals thought that
maybe it was a Soviet threat or that it was another country or somebody else
that was planning to invade the base. So to figure out more of what
Paul Benowitz had and the information that he had and the decoded messages that he
was getting from Kirkland Air Force Base wasn't a threat, they put him in
contact with who I just mentioned, a man by the name of Richard Doty,
which is an AFOSI Air Force Office of Special Investigations. Paul not really
knowing exactly what he had because he didn't analyze the radio transmissions properly. Richard
Doty coming to his house analyzing it pretty quickly figuring out that what he had
was top secret radio transmissions from the Air Force base didn't have anything to do
with extra trestriws, but Richard Doty came in and convinced him that it was
extra trash troops. He realized that the footage that he had of these supposed
UFOs were top secret military aircraft that he was capturing. So then he started
planning ideas and confirming Paul Benowitz's theory that they're extra tresh troops and not telling
them for a fact, which I've had Richard Doty on my show before,
we've talked to. Yeah, he wasn't telling Paul Benowitz that this is like
factual. He's like, oh, well, that's really interesting, Paul,
you might be right, and then to that that's that's you know, an
AFOSI special agent in the Air Force, basically confirming that he's right about the
extraterrestrials, but not outright telling him for a fact. He's just planning the
seed that maybe what he has that he has the information that the radio transmissions
could possibly be coming from extraterrestrials. And with Paul Benowitz being a World War
Two vet, it was I would imagine very easy to convince him to not
talk about it for the time being. You know, like, Paul,
you owe this to your country, my friend, to not say anything about
this to anyone. Keep all this information to yourself. But it wasn't just
Dodie that was doing this. There was other people that were involved. So
I don't put a lot of the I told Dody in our interview. I
was like, I don't put a lot of the blame on you. There's
several people that was involved with all this. It was pretty much all the
people at Kirkland Air Force Base was doing this to it. So after Paul
showed the footage that he captured the Strange craft, which was a top secret
experimental aircraft, a general of the Air Force stood up and said, Paul,
you got some pretty convincing evidence there. What would you like the Air
Force to do about it? And Paul wanted a grant. He wanted a
grant to continue the study of UFOs on the base, and he wanted a
grant to continue his contact with aliens that he claimed that he had. And
this caught the Air Force generals and the people that were a part of this
meeting really off guard, absolutely, And we've established that Air Force Offices Special
Investigators were involved like Richard Dody and all the Air Force personnel were involved in
the briefing and pushing Paul Benowits in this direction of extra trestrials and UFOs when
he was really getting top secret classified footage of experimental aircraft that the Air Force
was working on and radio transmissions from the Air Force base. But another agency
was involved. What happened was is that Paul was while he was picking up
these signals from Kirkland Air Force Base, he didn't really know that that was
the case. He thought that these signals were coming from extra trash tdriils.
So the NSA had posted up across the street from Paul Benowitz's house and they
would directly beam radio signals into Paul Benowitz's antenna into his house to make Paul
Benowitz believe that what he was getting was from extra trash drills. They even
went as far as to break into Paul Benowitz's house replaced his computer with an
NSA modified computer. The computer had software on it had software installed onto it
to decode the messages that they were sending Paul from outside of his house in
the way that they wanted Paul to see them. So this is like he's
he's Agent Mulder and they're the Smoking Man's people fucking with them. That's crazy.
That's like movie shit, it is. That's what they were doing in
these messages that Paul thought that he was receiving from extra treshrils, which was
really the freaking NSA. A lot of the things that they were telling him
are regurgitations from this community that are still talked about to this very day.
Right, that their extra trestrials are from a planet that is dying, they're
from a planet with no water, that they're here for our resources, that
they're here to take over Earth, and they only trust Paul because Paul was
the chosen one, right, and all kinds of other stuff, which a
lot of the things again that we're talked about with Paul believing that he's in
communication with extra trestrials through his computer, you know, when they're completely made
up and fabrications, made up by the NSA. And then in nineteen eighty
the state in New Mexico, did you have something. No, I was
just going to say, you might get to this, but I was just
gonna say this gentleman is still alive today. No, he passed away.
I believe in he did you know two thousand and three he passed away in
two thousand and three. The Richard Dody guy that you've talked to, he
must be kind of up there in years. Yeah. I think he's in
late fifties, I believe. Okay, so he's not. Is he even
been a younger guy than when all this was going on? Yeah? Okay.
So the state police in New Mexico they and if you thought this was
bad, it gets even worse because state police in New Mexico received a report
from a woman and a lady naming herself Myrna Hanson describing a story that involved
extra trash or aliens, bride lines, herds of cattle, seeing abductions,
cattle being abducted into craft at least then referred the case to a gentleman that
was also at the cattle mutilation conference in nineteen seventy nine named Gabe Valdez,
who they knew to be the cattle mutilation guy for the interest in the cases
and going to these cattle mutilation meetings. Valdez then in turn contacted Paul Benowitz.
So in nineteen eighty, Marna Henson and her son traveled to Albuquerque to
meet with Benowitz, stayed in his home. Henson explained to bene Witz that
on May fifth, nineteen eighty, while she was driving with her son near
Eagle Nests, New Mexico, they had witnessed two large silent objects that were
hovering above a meadow right and then they contacted a gentleman. Paul Beinwitz contacted
a gentleman named Leo Sprinkle. She was a psychiatrist and a professor at the
University of Wyoming. That is such a name of a professor, Professor Sprinkle.
It's a little sprinkle, give me, give me sprinkled us salt on
there. And so Benowitz arranged for Sprinkle to fly to Albuquerque to hypnotize Henson.
So when Sprinkle arrived, Henson and Benowitz, Okay, now we're getting
into regression, like you're promising. Yes. So Benowitz has been being hit
with this all all this, all this nonsense, and they come to the
conclusion that the regressions need to be taking place in Benowitz's Lincoln town car.
This parked inside of the family garage, and he had all the car windows
covered with aluminum foil. Hall's literally out of his mind at this point.
You know, you got the NSA right across the street beaming signals into your
house and your antenna. They broke into your home, replaced your computer with
the NSA, which she doesn't. He's not aware of any of this,
right, That's the thing, that's an important thing. He's not aware that
the NSSA has done this. He's not aware that the NSA has this house
bugged. He's not aware that the Air Force has been lying to him this
entire time. Right, would you not be paranoid? You know, you
got the freaking Air Force telling you that you're right about the aliens, but
you can't tell anyone. You have the NSA sending the signals into your home,
the decode messages to make you believe that you're in communication with extraterrestrials,
is telling you all this stuff. So Sprinkle decided to then regress this woman
named Myrna Henson in the tinfoil altcar and Paul Benowitz's garage, and her first
regression, she reported a information of a cow being sucked up by UFO tractor
Beam spaceship. And then on May eleventh and May twelfth, nineteen eighty,
under hypnosis again, Henson reported recollections of being abducted and taken to an underground
base with body parts floating in vats. That's when we get into the full
swing of the the Dulcet bass. The dulce bass was Phil Schneider. I'm
sure people are from Oh yeah, he lost his fingers in the in a
razor gun war with the ark On or the whatever the fuck they were called,
the Draca's. Yeah, that's all fun stuff. That's like old schoolate
coast to coast a m Yeah. So during the session. Another thing happened
too is that Myrna Henson also mentioned Roswell Roswell in New Mexico. But the
problem with that is that Roswell, no one in the public had connected Roswell
to UFO folcal Or yet, which is a perfect setup for Bill Moore's book
that I was mentioning earlier that Bill Moore went to Bennowitz's house and then drove
out there to the mountain to see that it was just military helicopters that Paul
Beinimits was seen. Bill Moore wrote a book on Roswell called The Roswell Incident
just a few months later, in October of nineteen eighty which was all miss
and disinformation about alien crashing an alien spacecraft crashing in Roswell, which popularized the
myth and the lore and brought it to the forefront of ufology and later on,
Bill Moore stands up in front of the Moofon conference in nineteen eighty nine
and tries to tell everyone that it's all made up, garbage, nonsense,
and they bow them off of the stage. Yeah, you can't turn on
that crowd, man, shit. So he basically says in that which I'm
going to do a part two. I've done the first two hours of that
move On conference where he's up there, but it's a five hour long interview.
I'm gonna no, dude, damn. I want to do part part
two here soon, hopefully this Saturday on my channel. I've just been really
busy and went to contact in the desert and trying to work on the second
documentary, so I really haven't had the time, but I'm going to finish
that up because every everything that Bill Moore is talking about at that conference is
like timeless, and they treated him like it was Dylan goes electric, Yeah,
and no one ever heard from him again after that, just disappeared.
It's gone. So back to Myrna Henson really quickly. So Myrna Hanson is
Paul Benham was set up because that's exactly what this was. It was a
giant set up with this lady Myrna Henson to get the lore and the mythology
of rolling. Because they knew Paul Benham was would tell everyone and this would
snowball into a big bunch of nonsense. So is she like some chick who
got a speeding ticket and couldn't afford it and they're like, hey, you
know what you can do? Do you want to just have a sweetest?
Probably probably something bigger than a speeding ticket. But how would they get someone
like that? You have to or she could have been an agent? Supposedly,
I mean, do you know I think that she's an agent. Richard
Dody. Richard Doty says that what she was describing with this base was an
advanced Air Force munitions bunker because the way that she described it was almost identical
to what the Air Force munitions bunker looked like. Because Richard Dody went out
to this Air Force munitions bunker and the same types of things that she described,
besides the body parts floating in vats. Everything else was the saint.
But he was like, well, I don't know how she got into the
Military Air Force munitions bunker. But a lot of people trying to get involved
with the Myrna Henson case. Paul Heinek, no Alan Heinek, sorry,
Paul Heineck is son Alan Heinek, the Project blue Book guy tried to get
involved with the Marna Henson case and then he was threatened to be federally prosecuted,
so he backed away. But I think that it's because Gabe Valdez's son
later on comments on this and says that it was a setup and that it
was very easy for them to do because they found all these bugs and all
these plants and all these listening devices within his dad's home, so the government
was listening to everything that they were doing twenty four to seven. I mean,
these people are literally driving Paul out of his mind to the point that
he was thinking that he was going to be being attacked by aliens. And
it was a really sad story. And Ben was even armed up with guns
and him and Foil to protect his family. The fucking thing you said about
when they do the regression, and that's when you know someone's going a little
wacky. They start literally using the tinfoil hat. And it was all it
all came to be because the government missing in this information. That's literally where
all the tempoil and stuff came from. No one has any idea they came
from government. Miss. All you really need is a house with lead paint
on it at the end of the day, or blue paint, right,
yeah, if you don't want the laser beams, just hurt start your house
on fires. So I got a couple more questions. I don't know how
much time you have, but what is and if this is like a little
too much because we edge in these circles of the podcasters and stuff. But
I just wanted to know what your take on this this huge thing that's happening
with Ryan bled Cell where there's this new movement of like, uh, you
can you can summon these things. It's kind of like what gosh, I
always forget his name, Greer, Stephen Greer kind of started this and then
the main and now you've got and I don't want to just say this is
how you feel, but we've mentioned the mental illness before, and if I
hear about this guy lets Tho's father having these visions and then they just roll
with it. It makes me wonder if that's a possibility. But anyway,
do you think this is an authentic movement or do you think this is totally
astroturfed. Seems like a cult, doesn't it. It very much seems like
a cult. And I know people who are balls deep in it. So
it's kind of like, what do you do? You know, I don't
want to like it's you don't walk up to a Christian and scream that Jesus
isn't real. Yeah, it uh, definitely has all the hallmarks of a
cult. You know. It seems a lot like the Billy Meyer story.
Are familiar with the Billy Meyer story? Uh? Refresh my memory because I
think I've heard you talk about it, if not other people. So the
Billy Meyer story is he's one of them, supposedly in contact with these Palladian
extra trest trills, and then then they come down and give him all this
information and he has all this he supposedly has like technology from these uh,
these aliens. There's like a whole cult that was formed around this, with
like a compound where people can come and live, and then they get it
endowed and imbued with the wisdom of Billy Meyer, and he's the only true,
one and only contactee from these Palladians. And then it turns out all
the pictures that he's taken of these craft are all fake. They're all trash
can lids on like wires, blind saucers. Yeah, that's what kind of
uh, that's what it kind of reminds me of n the direction that it's
kind of going because we haven't had a really, we haven't had a good
Colt for a minute. I haven't had a good cult going on. But
I think the well you a foe calt, we haven't had one for a
while. I think the last one was Love is One, which was in
Crestone, Colorado with Amy Carlson that claimed that she was the direct reincarnation of
God and that she was here to send the one hundred and forty four thousand
people into the sun. No, she ended up dying. She died of
cirrhosis of the liver and excessive colloidal silver ingestion. Oh, this is a
mother other God. Yes, I was on a panel a couple of weeks
back and they told me to watch this documentary because I made a colloidal silver
crack. We were making fun of like that, pushing us uplements and conspiracy
and I and she goes, oh, do you know who Mother God is?
So this is new to me. I'm really gonna have to check this
out. I know there's a good doc about it. Yeah, I did
a show on it last year before the Yeah, i'll just watch your show
then. Yeah. I didn't even know that the that they were doing a
documentary on it, but it was. I think it's pretty recent that they
did. Yeah. I watched the documentary on it. Oh you did,
Yeah, I've seen it. Yeah. I thought it was really good that
they did a really good job with it. A girl that I know was
an information consultant on that documentary. So I think it's definitely worth a watch.
And it was really good and lays a lot of it out. But
yeah, that's the latest one. She really upped the ante on a lot
of it. She said that she was in communication with Robin Williams. Yes,
Robin Williams appeared to her at night and in her bed and the Robin
Williams was a part of the Glac Federation literally with her that's where all the
Galactic Federation stuff came from in two thousand and five. Oh okay, the
one that popularized all the Galactic Federation stuff. And now it's all just tongue
in cheek rely. Yeah, And she said that Robin Williams would a sister
in her her Zoom call Healings along with the Galactic Federations. It's just like
what wild stuff. Like she literally was started getting out of her mind like
really quickly, and the people that were around her were just encouraging it and
feeding into it, and it literally killed her. It's another sad story.
Yeah, well, you're right, we are due for a good UFO cult.
And maybe, I mean, is this why you go to like contact
in the desert and stuff? Is to this is like you want to make
some con text with other people that are into this whole thing you're researching.
Well, I I like to go because it's a it's a good way to
you know, communicate with people in person and talk to other people and kind
of network. And I mean there's a few good people that that I like
that are normally presenting at the conferences. Andrew Collins is one of them.
I don't mind Richard Dolan. I think he's I think he's all right.
There's a doctor Paul Smith. Russell targ was there this year. So there's
a few people that I that I think that are on the on the right
track with stuff. But it's mostly for networking and talking with people and meeting
with people in person because you don't really get that opportunity that often unless you
actually travel to where the individual lives, you know, So it's a good
way to talk to people in person. Do some in person interviews. I
like doing that. I like being in person with people, and you know,
being able to talk with people in person is like a makes me feel
good, you know, because a lot of our work has done over the
internet on like Zoom and like on stream Yard. We're not like next to
each other, so it's a different kind of feeling. You get a different
energy from people when you're in person. I've never had a in studio interview
myself, but I just found out that the Franklin Sky's guy lives where I
Do you know who he is? Frankensky's can Tell Can Trail documentary? No?
Oh yes, yes, I am familiar, but I can't can't play
some Yeah, I don't know his name either. I know that he's here
and I know that he's open to interviews. But he also makes literal tinfoil
hats and you can order them online and people buy them because he's all about
like the five G and everything, and he's probably right about some of that
shit. But well, man, this has been a really good talk.
Do you have anything else do you want to touch on? Just that you
got to use common sense and critical thinking with a lot of this stuff,
and just don't believe everything that you hear from these people, because it's a
regurgitation after regurgitation. It's a belief that has no backing from the very beginning
that has been turned into something that was never originally supposed to be. And
that's a really big problem and a really big issue. I'm not saying to
like, not listen to things that you think are interesting. Just take things
with like a grain of salt, don't get dogmatic about it. Yeah,
you don't have to listen to something and then automatically take it on as your
belief in your belief system. You know, you can just kind of tuck
it away, put it back there on the back burner, and just remember
it for the future, because there's a lot of people that are ripping off
other people. There's a lot of people that don't, you know, cite
other people's work whenever they're talking about their work, when it's blatant that they're
talking about their work, and they don't want to mention the person because they
want to make it seem like that they're the ones that created it and they're
the ones that came up with it, when it's not they've just read it
somewhere and they've incorporated it into their story and into their narrative, you know,
like it's not an honorable thing to do. And also history books are
written these days too, pretty much. Yeah, and on that as well.
The story of Paul Benowitz is heavily documented. It's documented in the book
Project Beta, The Story of Paul Benowitz and the National Security and the Creation
of the Modern UFO myth. Mark Pinkerington's book about the project also called Mirage,
which was published in twenty ten, and then the book was adapted in
twenty and thirteen documentary under the same name Mirage Men. You know, so
it's like the people like they don't want to It was also in another book
called clear intent the government cover up of the UFO experience. So people don't
want to credit people for their work, and they just want to, you
know, make a seem like that they did it all on their own,
and that's not how any of this stuff works. I mean, if you're
doing research into something, you're you're looking at somebody else's work and you're using
their work. I mean that's a definition of research. Well, and I
appreciate you giving all of your sources and citations because I usually have a fucking
notebook sitting there next to me. I'm just going to have to go back
and listen to this recording again and just jot everything down, and people listening
or watching, I hope that you do the same thing because it's always good.
And I've been interviewing a lot more people lately that bring receipts like you
did today, So uh yeah. And you you're a young guy, You've
already got some really good work under your belt, and it sounds like I'm
pretty excited about this thing you're working on right now. I would love to
have you back when when you've got that you know, oh yeah, absolutely,
we're gonna be doing the We're gonna be doing all the rounds, yeah,
because that's that's such fascinating topics there, and like a perfect blend of
everything you're working on. Yeah, And it involves pop culture, involves the
CIA, involves the music industry, involves the film industry, involves movies and
involves directors, involves LSD, the hippie movement. So it's got all of
it. And I'm do you know how long this is gonna run? Like
under three hours? We thought that it was gonna hit it around two hours,
but I'm gonna try and shave it down longer because it's hard to keep
people's attention with a long documentary like that. You know, which I know
is people really do like long form content now, They like to sit down
and listen to it. But I'm going to try and keep it at like
an hour and a half or an hour and forty minutes because of all the
editing and all the things that I'm going to need to do to keep it
interesting and keep people's eyes on it. It's difficult to do for two hours.
You know. There's only so many ups and downs that you can do
within a documentary to keep people's attention on it. Before they turn it off.
So it's going to be difficult to get it down to an hour and
a half because there's so much information, so much things that needs to be
gone over. But we're going to attempt to do it and hopefully it'll be
done by there by the end of August. I'm not putting a time on
it a date on it, but you know, we think if you take
a little bit longer to make it and make it good, Yeah, i'd
say those deadlines, especially when you're your own boss. Yeah, we're for
producing it on our own and we're distributing it on our own, so we
don't really have a time skull. But that's just how I would when I
would like it to be out. But if it does you have a title
yet? Yeah, we do, it's not we haven't revealed the title.
Oh you don't need to reveal it. I'm just curious to myself. But
other than that, yeah, that that sounds like an awesome thing. I
can't wait for that. And also, before we go, I want to
comment on your shirt because I've just like been this whole time thinking there should
be a Texas Longhorn skull hanging on the wall behind you because it would just
go so well with that shirt. For some reason, I feel like I'm
in a new Mexican Pebleau. Yeah, dude, I'm in my WACKI I'm
in the wacky shirt phase in my life where I just find a bunch of
wacky shirts and put it on super powerful and yeah, I do I do
need one that would be great. Yeah, one of those taxidermy deers there
you go. Well, yeah, a long bow. Give me some bows
back there. But thanks brother, appreciate you having me on. People are
interested to check out my work. I can find me on Raised by Giants,
on YouTube, in any and all podcast platforms, and check out my
film JFKX Solving the Crime of the Century. It's on Amazon Prime and on
Toby for free with ads. So thanks for having me on. Appreciate your
brother, and thanks for coming on. Yeah. Look, hope everyone enjoyed
it. Oh they're going to and if they don't, they're not listening right
now. If they didn't enjoy it, so they can fuck off. But
yeah, they didn't stick with us, all right, man, Well,
I hope you enjoy the rest of your Sunday. Thanks my friend. All
right, we'll be in touch. Bud, talk to you later.