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You're assigned to accident investigation felony detail. 18 00:02:23,680 --> 00:02:27,479 In the early hours of the morning, a woman pedestrian is struck down by 19 00:02:27,599 --> 00:02:43,719 hit and run driver. Your job find him. Dragnet the documented drama of 20 00:02:43,759 --> 00:02:46,919 an actual crime. While the next thirty minutes, in cooperation with the Los 21 00:02:46,960 --> 00:02:51,960 Angeles Police Department, you will travel step by step on the side of the 22 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:55,759 law through an actual case, from official police files, from beginning to end, 23 00:02:57,159 --> 00:03:00,919 from crime to punishment. Dragnet is the story if you were a police 24 00:03:00,919 --> 00:03:06,919 force in action. It was Monday, September fourth, was hot in Los 25 00:03:06,960 --> 00:03:09,599 Angeles. We were working a night watch out of Traffic Division. My partner's 26 00:03:09,599 --> 00:03:14,639 Ben Romero. The boss is Captain Sullivan, Commander Aid. My name is 27 00:03:14,680 --> 00:03:17,199 Friday. Was twelve forty five am when I got to the second floor at 28 00:03:17,240 --> 00:03:24,560 one twenty three South for your Au Street accident investigation the Record Bureau. I 29 00:03:24,680 --> 00:03:29,199 wanta hi starting to American back with you. I got a phone wressage for 30 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:30,400 him. Oh, he's over Georgia's Street. It'll be back a couple of 31 00:03:30,439 --> 00:03:34,120 minutes, so you've got time to take a fifteen seventh. Sure, I 32 00:03:34,159 --> 00:03:39,240 got some additional information on a hit and run felony. All right, pretty 33 00:03:39,240 --> 00:03:44,520 warm up. Here there is a copy of this warmer no, no thanks, 34 00:03:49,199 --> 00:03:55,280 all right. Officer's memo subject Investigation of hit run Felony Dr Number four 35 00:03:55,400 --> 00:04:04,400 six seven ninety two three. Location seventh and Carondelet Streets at c R O 36 00:04:04,560 --> 00:04:13,159 N D E L E T. September third, eleven, fifteen pm. 37 00:04:13,159 --> 00:04:25,160 Division Reporting AID, Division of occurrence central, central, day and time occurred 38 00:04:25,279 --> 00:04:29,279 September third, eleven fifteen pm. Location of occurrence seventh and Corondle eleven. 39 00:04:29,759 --> 00:04:31,079 Just gonna run a long, sergeant, oh page, page and a half. 40 00:04:31,920 --> 00:04:35,120 Go faster and short hand. I can transcribe it later, all right, 41 00:04:40,639 --> 00:04:44,480 excuse me? Uh, this is for Captain H. W. Sullivan, 42 00:04:44,560 --> 00:04:49,839 Commanding Aid Sir. On the above date, at eleven twenty pm, 43 00:04:50,040 --> 00:04:57,160 the undersigned officers went to the corner of Seventh and Carondelet Streets in response to 44 00:04:57,199 --> 00:05:03,680 an ambulance follow up traffic. On our arrival there, he got any matches 45 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:10,639 one? Yeah, okay. Thanks. On our arrival there, we were 46 00:05:10,680 --> 00:05:17,600 met by eleven T we witnessed ambulance attendants placing an unconscious woman in an ambulance. 47 00:05:18,240 --> 00:05:21,879 She appeared to be critically injured. The victim was removed to George Street 48 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:28,759 Receiving Hospital. All right. We then interviewed a man who identified himself as 49 00:05:29,600 --> 00:05:32,560 Chester J. Crawford, five four Old Green Oak Drive. He stated that 50 00:05:33,199 --> 00:05:39,279 he was acquainted with the injured woman and that her name was Sheila Gordon Grdn 51 00:05:40,040 --> 00:05:46,680 seven eight three two and a half Seventh Street. Crawford told us that he 52 00:05:46,800 --> 00:05:50,319 was taking her home from a dance and they arrived at the intersection of Seventh 53 00:05:50,319 --> 00:06:00,639 in Corondolet Streets at approximately eleven fifteen pm fifteen okay. Crawford further stated that 54 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:06,680 while he and Sheila Gordon attempted to cross the intersection, an automobile headed west 55 00:06:06,720 --> 00:06:14,920 on Seventh Street went through the red traffic light. I did you read that 56 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:19,279 last part? Bank h attempted to cross the intersection, an automobile headed west 57 00:06:19,279 --> 00:06:23,240 on Seventh Street went through the red pathical okay. Crawford told us that he 58 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:26,000 jumped out of the path of the car and tried to pull him Miss Gordon 59 00:06:26,040 --> 00:06:28,759 with him. He said that the car struck her down without slowing down, 60 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:35,360 continued out seventh Street and disappeared. I'm sorry and okay uh. Crawford stated 61 00:06:35,399 --> 00:06:40,040 the hit and run car was either a Dodge or a Plymouth, that it 62 00:06:40,079 --> 00:06:44,920 could have been either last year's model or this year's. He described the car 63 00:06:45,199 --> 00:06:48,079 as too fast, flayed sorry. He described the car as either light blue 64 00:06:48,120 --> 00:06:51,879 in color or bluish Green. Said that he failed to get the entire license 65 00:06:51,959 --> 00:06:56,839 number, but that the last three numbers on the rear plate were either eight 66 00:06:56,879 --> 00:07:03,199 oh four or three oh four four or to you that's right keeping uh. 67 00:07:03,240 --> 00:07:06,279 Crawford said he made an attempt to follow the hit run car, but that 68 00:07:06,319 --> 00:07:11,560 he was unable to obtain transportation. He stated he then ran to a phone 69 00:07:11,759 --> 00:07:17,240 at the Corsef Bar and what of course c O R s ev Uh, 70 00:07:17,279 --> 00:07:23,120 that's its seventh in Caronda left and called the police when he undersigned. Officers 71 00:07:23,120 --> 00:07:26,120 then obtained Crawford's full name, address, phone number, proceeded to question residence 72 00:07:26,160 --> 00:07:29,639 the neighborhood. Weren't able to look at any other witnesses besides Crawford. Okay, 73 00:07:30,199 --> 00:07:32,560 A hi, how'd you do? Oh? So it's about all doctor 74 00:07:32,560 --> 00:07:34,519 says. We won't be able to talk to her for at least a couple 75 00:07:34,560 --> 00:07:38,639 of days, maybe not at all. That's your chances fifty to fifty if 76 00:07:38,639 --> 00:07:42,839 she's heavy on lot rebroken ReBs, brain concussion, internal injurer. What Lee 77 00:07:42,920 --> 00:07:45,319 Jones have to say is that all the reports? Sergeant? Oh yeah, 78 00:07:45,360 --> 00:07:46,399 Wanda, we'll have the rest for you a little later. Thanks, okay, 79 00:07:46,759 --> 00:07:50,959 I'll type this much. Thanks for sure. What Lee Jones have to 80 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:54,439 say? Nothing, he didn't think he went over the area for an hour. 81 00:07:54,600 --> 00:07:57,000 No broken glass from head lights A to p I, no tire, 82 00:07:57,040 --> 00:08:03,079 imprisions worth anything, no physical evidence with a half dead girl in those suspects. 83 00:08:03,279 --> 00:08:05,160 What do you think, Joe, I don't know. It's a sour 84 00:08:05,199 --> 00:08:09,399 one. And he kicked back on the teletype. Here. No, that 85 00:08:09,560 --> 00:08:13,160 guy she was with, Crawford's not too much help, looked a little nearsighted 86 00:08:13,160 --> 00:08:15,480 to me. He saw well enough to get out of the way of that 87 00:08:15,519 --> 00:08:16,800 car. You got the notes? Uh, how much to give it? 88 00:08:18,439 --> 00:08:22,360 Let's see I got it here in the book. Uh. Car was either 89 00:08:22,399 --> 00:08:26,959 a Dodge or a Plymouth late model, color either light blue or blue green. 90 00:08:26,920 --> 00:08:31,240 The last three numbers and the license plate were eight O four or three 91 00:08:31,319 --> 00:08:33,240 O four. It was a big field to pick from. That's the only 92 00:08:33,279 --> 00:08:37,559 lead we own. You can call it that. Yeah, well, I 93 00:08:37,559 --> 00:08:39,559 guess we better talk to DMV get the dope on all cars fitting that description 94 00:08:39,639 --> 00:08:43,000 that Crawford gave us. So it's gonna be a hard trip. At least 95 00:08:43,039 --> 00:08:46,679 three thousand cars truck now, probably closer to four. What do we do 96 00:08:46,720 --> 00:08:48,159 for help? When we can ask the captain in the morning, I'll get 97 00:08:48,200 --> 00:08:56,279 it you bracket bureauro now, yell it. Yeah, we bring them out 98 00:08:56,320 --> 00:09:01,360 over Yeah? What stay Jones again? Yeah, he says he wants to 99 00:09:01,399 --> 00:09:03,279 close. Sheila Gordon was wearing at the time of the accident. He figures 100 00:09:03,279 --> 00:09:07,039 when she got hit, her clothes must have left fabric marks on the front 101 00:09:07,039 --> 00:09:09,840 of the car. It might work, it's only one trouble. What's that 102 00:09:09,399 --> 00:09:15,039 you can paint off fabric marks? Well, it's a long list. Let's 103 00:09:15,080 --> 00:09:22,440 take it from the top. Yeah, find the car. Tuesday, September 104 00:09:22,559 --> 00:09:26,399 fifth, we called Mark Benson at DMV and asked for full information on all 105 00:09:26,519 --> 00:09:31,279 vehicles fitting the general description of the hit run car. We went back and 106 00:09:31,320 --> 00:09:33,080 talked to the only witness to the hit and run, the victim's boyfriend, 107 00:09:33,240 --> 00:09:37,399 Chester Crawford. He could add nothing to what he had already told us. 108 00:09:37,600 --> 00:09:41,360 There was no response to the local teletype and the all points that were sent 109 00:09:41,399 --> 00:09:45,320 out the night before. Garaga's auto repair and paint shops throughout the city were 110 00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:48,840 also alerted. Meantime, at General Hospital, the victim, Sheila Gordon, 111 00:09:48,960 --> 00:09:52,360 was still close to death. The search for the hit run car went on. 112 00:09:52,559 --> 00:09:58,240 Two days passed Thursday, September seventh, The information re requested from DMV 113 00:09:58,399 --> 00:10:01,679 was being checked out and compiled. Ben and I met with Captain Sullivan. 114 00:10:03,360 --> 00:10:05,120 That's the last devil skipper. All the cars in this area that fit the 115 00:10:05,159 --> 00:10:09,360 general description is the one where aft you just get it? Yeah? How 116 00:10:09,360 --> 00:10:13,600 many cars do they list? Four thousand, six hundred and twenty You more 117 00:10:13,600 --> 00:10:16,440 than you expect it, eh, Yeah, no chance at all of narrowing 118 00:10:16,440 --> 00:10:18,759 it down, and that we can see no terrific order. Well, we 119 00:10:18,799 --> 00:10:22,200 try to figure it from every angle. Now we can do it two ways. 120 00:10:22,639 --> 00:10:24,120 Yeah, we keep the alert on for the hit run car around the 121 00:10:24,159 --> 00:10:26,879 divisions, all the garages in town, the auto repair shops. In other 122 00:10:26,879 --> 00:10:30,080 words, we can wait it out. Maybe we'll get the guy, maybe 123 00:10:30,120 --> 00:10:31,799 not. Yeah, Or we can check out every one of the cars on 124 00:10:31,840 --> 00:10:35,679 this list and the registered owners. Well, the first way isn't gonna do 125 00:10:35,679 --> 00:10:39,600 the job. We know that forty six hundred cars. How much hope of 126 00:10:39,679 --> 00:10:41,879 an in about thirty forty man out on a couple of weeks, maybe more, 127 00:10:43,039 --> 00:10:45,240 all right, but I think I can get him a metro division. 128 00:10:45,559 --> 00:10:46,960 What do you wanna start? First thing tomorrow? Okay, I'll set it 129 00:10:46,960 --> 00:10:50,960 out right, skipper. Hey, excuse me, Joe as the lady out 130 00:10:50,960 --> 00:10:54,039 here to see it? Okay, thanks, Uh, we'll check you in 131 00:10:54,039 --> 00:11:01,799 the morning, scamper, Right, that's her over there. Thank My name's 132 00:11:01,799 --> 00:11:05,279 Friday. Man. This is Sarge at Romearro. How do you do I'm 133 00:11:05,320 --> 00:11:07,679 Doyle, I tell Sergeant I'm Sheila Gordon's landlady, the girl in the accident. 134 00:11:07,799 --> 00:11:11,279 Yes, ma'am, or mister Crawford, he was the Chila that night 135 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:13,279 he told me about you and he said he thought you might be able to 136 00:11:13,279 --> 00:11:16,279 help. I mean, well, it's a long story. See. When 137 00:11:16,320 --> 00:11:18,919 Sheila Gordon first came to live at my rooming house, she was a good 138 00:11:18,919 --> 00:11:22,159 girl like the rest. Lately, well, i'd be in sick now and 139 00:11:22,200 --> 00:11:24,399 all I don't like to say it. Yeah, well, rankly last few 140 00:11:24,440 --> 00:11:28,799 months before the accident. Chila just went bad, went bad completely. I 141 00:11:28,799 --> 00:11:31,879 don't think I follow you man, Oh you know, carousing all kinds of 142 00:11:31,960 --> 00:11:35,080 men. Visitors, had a different man in her apartment every night. Well, 143 00:11:35,080 --> 00:11:37,919 we're investigating a hit run case, ma'am. Chili gets out of the 144 00:11:37,960 --> 00:11:39,679 hospital. Need to talk about her when she's sick like this, But when 145 00:11:39,720 --> 00:11:41,879 she's all right. I don't want her back in my rooming house. I'm 146 00:11:41,919 --> 00:11:45,720 afraid that's none of our business either, ma'am. But if you could talk 147 00:11:45,759 --> 00:11:48,799 to Sheila persuaded a move from my house. I don't want any wrangle with 148 00:11:48,840 --> 00:11:50,480 the Randall board again. Couldn't you talk to her? I'm sorry, there's 149 00:11:50,480 --> 00:11:52,799 nothing we can do, ma'am. You better talk to her yourself. Just 150 00:11:52,840 --> 00:11:56,919 be another row like the last time, shameless woman. I don't want Sheila 151 00:11:58,000 --> 00:12:00,960 Gordon back in my house. I'll go to that hospital myself and tell up. 152 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:03,039 She's a pretty sick girl. It's not my fault. Go right over 153 00:12:03,039 --> 00:12:05,200 to that hospital and tell her what I think of it. She's hurt pretty 154 00:12:05,240 --> 00:12:07,399 bad, oh am. I she's hurt me. What's the difference. You 155 00:12:07,399 --> 00:12:16,440 haven't been run over by a car. Next morning, Sergeant's reed and McLennan, 156 00:12:16,480 --> 00:12:18,919 Ben and myself joined the forty men from Metropolitan Division who had started checking 157 00:12:18,960 --> 00:12:22,600 out the first of the forty six hundred and twenty suspected cars. The detail 158 00:12:22,639 --> 00:12:26,480 was broken down into teams, and each team was handed a list containing the 159 00:12:26,559 --> 00:12:30,240 names of one hundred registered car owners. It was a long job and a 160 00:12:30,320 --> 00:12:33,679 dull one. Dozens of people weren't at home when we called. We had 161 00:12:33,679 --> 00:12:37,159 to rig up a system of checkbacks for each one of these. Some cars 162 00:12:37,159 --> 00:12:39,519 had changed hands two and three times. That meant more checking. By the 163 00:12:39,600 --> 00:12:43,039 end of the second week, we've gone through more than half of the forty 164 00:12:43,080 --> 00:12:46,279 six hundred names on the list. By the end of the fourth week, 165 00:12:46,360 --> 00:12:48,679 we had less than a thousand to go. At the General hospital, the 166 00:12:48,759 --> 00:12:52,840 victim, Sheila Gordon, was pronounced out of danger and recovering. We questioned 167 00:12:52,840 --> 00:12:56,039 her, but all she could tell us was that she thought the hit and 168 00:12:56,080 --> 00:13:00,960 run car was a dark color. The search went on Mondayctober sixth, Ben 169 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:03,720 and I spent a ten hour day checking a list of car on her south 170 00:13:03,759 --> 00:13:11,360 of town. Was six thirty five pm when we got back to the office. 171 00:13:07,639 --> 00:13:16,240 Hi, Hi, read how'd you do today? Fair? Looks like 172 00:13:16,279 --> 00:13:18,200 we got one. What do you mean? Guy's name is Ralph Angelo. 173 00:13:18,399 --> 00:13:22,039 Uh, let's see UH eighty six ninety back of the road checked him out 174 00:13:22,080 --> 00:13:26,240 early this morning, first call. What's he get? One's a late model 175 00:13:26,240 --> 00:13:31,120 Plymouth like blue license number there it is UH one seven Arthur two eight o 176 00:13:31,279 --> 00:13:33,559 four. Wasn't home? Talked to his wife? Yeah, she said the 177 00:13:33,639 --> 00:13:37,399 car's been sitting home in the garage in the past month. Husband won't drive 178 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:39,159 it. What's historic? Told her there was something wrong? Whether he was 179 00:13:39,159 --> 00:13:41,799 going to trade it in with Glenn? And I tried it cars and first 180 00:13:41,840 --> 00:13:46,039 last ship? What about the front end of the car pretty clean? One 181 00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:48,279 of the bars and the radiator girl slightly bent south Cresa and who had another 182 00:13:48,279 --> 00:13:50,519 one in the right fender? Did you bring the car in? Yeah, 183 00:13:50,679 --> 00:13:54,639 crown Eyes were working on it since lunch down the garage. Anything else? 184 00:13:54,200 --> 00:13:58,960 Uh? Found a gaser seat in the glove compartment dated September third, nine 185 00:13:58,960 --> 00:14:01,600 of the accident. Where's Angelo now? Santa Barbara? Business trip? Do 186 00:14:01,679 --> 00:14:05,320 home to night about ten m Glenn and I will pick him up then, 187 00:14:05,440 --> 00:14:07,480 see what you gotta say? And sounds good? How many possibilities that make 188 00:14:07,559 --> 00:14:11,360 Joe? Let me see about a thirty seven hundred. We've checked about four 189 00:14:11,440 --> 00:14:16,559 goodness, I get that accident investigation Friday. Hi Joe, this is Lee 190 00:14:16,679 --> 00:14:20,240 Jones. Yelly just finished checking the Plymouth reading. McLennan brought in. You 191 00:14:20,240 --> 00:14:24,759 find anything fabric prints and front bumper on the hut huh, indentation of soft 192 00:14:24,759 --> 00:14:28,840 object on hood and right front fender. Something else on that fender. What's 193 00:14:28,879 --> 00:14:31,320 a set of lip impressions? What's it mean? We found the car? 194 00:14:31,440 --> 00:14:46,600 Only one job left? Yeah, find a driver. You are listening to 195 00:14:46,879 --> 00:14:50,720 drag nets. The case history of a police investigation presented in the public Interest. 196 00:14:58,799 --> 00:15:01,799 Monday, October sixth ten PM, Suspect Ralph Angelo was picked up at 197 00:15:01,799 --> 00:15:07,320 his home by investigating officers and brought downtown to the interrogation room. Sergeants Reed 198 00:15:07,320 --> 00:15:11,480 and McLennan, Ben and myself questioned him for three hours. At one thirty 199 00:15:11,519 --> 00:15:13,120 am, we took Angelo to the county jail, where it was booked in 200 00:15:13,159 --> 00:15:18,279 suspicion of five oh one vehicle code hit and run felony. The next morning 201 00:15:18,279 --> 00:15:22,519 we obtained a warrant from the District Attorney's office, and later that day Ralph 202 00:15:22,519 --> 00:15:26,600 Angelo was arigned in Municipal Court Division seven, a date was set for his 203 00:15:26,639 --> 00:15:31,039 preliminary hearing in municipal Court. Sheila Gordon recovered from her injuries and was released 204 00:15:31,039 --> 00:15:35,159 from the General Hospital. On October tenth, the preliminary hearing was held. 205 00:15:35,679 --> 00:15:39,519 Sheila Gordon was on the stand most of the morning. After the noon recess, 206 00:15:39,559 --> 00:15:46,240 I was called to testify. Made your right hands. Did you tell 207 00:15:46,279 --> 00:15:48,600 me story? The testimony is about to get hunting in the kids. You 208 00:15:48,679 --> 00:15:52,519 the truth will nothing about his help of that? I know? Stay gnat 209 00:15:54,120 --> 00:16:03,200 Jill Friday to seated state your name, pleased, Joe Friday. Their address 210 00:16:03,799 --> 00:16:07,240 forty six fifty six Collis Avenue, occupation. I'm a police officer in the 211 00:16:07,279 --> 00:16:11,679 Florida City of Los Angeles. Uh you one of the investigating officers assigned to 212 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:17,559 this case? I am. Did you have a conversation with the defendant regarding 213 00:16:17,559 --> 00:16:22,320 the case? I did? Where in the Traffic division at one twenty three 214 00:16:22,360 --> 00:16:27,759 South Figure Rolli Street. Who was president the defendant, Sergeant McLennan reed Romeo 215 00:16:29,120 --> 00:16:33,519 myself. Were the statements made by the defendant free and voluntary? They were? 216 00:16:34,240 --> 00:16:37,919 Was there any promise of the community or reward or the use of force 217 00:16:37,960 --> 00:16:40,440 of violence? Did you say make statement, no, it was none. 218 00:16:41,120 --> 00:16:47,600 Tell the court the extent of the conversation at that time. Well, first 219 00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:51,279 of all, I asked him if he was the registered owner of a nineteen 220 00:16:51,360 --> 00:16:57,120 forty eight Plymouth Automobile California license number one seven arthirty two, eight oh four. 221 00:16:57,600 --> 00:17:02,279 He admitted that he was, And then I asked him if he was 222 00:17:02,360 --> 00:17:06,359 driving a car on the night of September three. He said he was, 223 00:17:06,480 --> 00:17:08,920 but that he did not drive anywhere near the location of the hit and run 224 00:17:08,960 --> 00:17:15,279 felony that night at the seventh in Carondo led Street. Did the defendant tell 225 00:17:15,319 --> 00:17:18,359 you where he drove his car that night? No, s You asked the 226 00:17:18,359 --> 00:17:21,160 defendant where he drove his car that night of September there, Yes, I 227 00:17:21,240 --> 00:17:23,039 did. And what did he answer? Well, he said, it's none 228 00:17:23,079 --> 00:17:26,599 of your business. Did you persist in this line of question? Yes, 229 00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:30,160 I did, defendant continue to refuse to give you the information? That's right. 230 00:17:32,519 --> 00:17:34,920 Uh. Did the defendant state where he was on the night of September 231 00:17:34,960 --> 00:17:38,720 third, ten pm and midnight? He refused to tell us. He advise 232 00:17:38,759 --> 00:17:44,480 the defendant at that time that his car had been impounded for investigation, That's 233 00:17:44,559 --> 00:17:48,200 right. Did you advise him the several points of incriminating evidence I had been 234 00:17:48,240 --> 00:17:51,079 found in the car, Yes, we did. And what did he say? 235 00:17:51,079 --> 00:17:53,079 An answer, Well, he said, you can't prove a thing. 236 00:17:53,759 --> 00:17:59,680 I wasn't near the place. You can't prove a thing. It was that 237 00:17:59,799 --> 00:18:03,400 the sending the conversations being you and the dependent yours. Thank you. That's 238 00:18:03,440 --> 00:18:11,799 all confer for different no questions. You're on uh leland Jones. I do 239 00:18:11,960 --> 00:18:22,200 understand that's your right name. Some me swear the testimony about the depending this 240 00:18:22,319 --> 00:18:23,640 kiss be the truth of bout truth, nothing but the truth. Off again, 241 00:18:23,880 --> 00:18:32,920 I do stitch name Lee Jones. God seated your opputations. I'm a 242 00:18:32,960 --> 00:18:36,400 police officer in and father city of Los Angeles. Particular detail, Are you 243 00:18:36,480 --> 00:18:40,839 scientist? I'm a lieutenant in charge of the police Crime Laboratory. Well uh 244 00:18:40,880 --> 00:18:45,279 ConfL defense stipulate the witnesses a qualified forensic chemist. Still stipulated to Jones, 245 00:18:45,720 --> 00:18:49,759 you are the commander in charge of the Police Department Scientific Investigation Division. Is 246 00:18:49,759 --> 00:18:55,799 that correct? Yes, yes, Jones. I will show you a photograph 247 00:18:56,039 --> 00:19:03,000 an automobile California like December one, seven, eight to eight oh four to 248 00:19:03,079 --> 00:19:07,920 be marked people's exhibit C. Have you ever seen this car? Four. 249 00:19:07,599 --> 00:19:11,240 Yeah, where and when did you see it? Three? I saw at 250 00:19:11,240 --> 00:19:15,160 the Traffic Division Garage one twenty three South figure Over Street, Monday, October 251 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:18,039 sixth this year. Did you make examination of this car at that time? 252 00:19:18,160 --> 00:19:22,680 I did? What did the examination consist of? And? Uh? What 253 00:19:22,880 --> 00:19:26,559 were you finding? I made a systematic examination of the car using omplete lighting 254 00:19:26,599 --> 00:19:32,440 from a five hundred photo flood lamp and a bell type reflector. I found 255 00:19:32,440 --> 00:19:37,400 the folly evidence of excuse me on the front bumper of the car. I 256 00:19:37,519 --> 00:19:41,799 found fabric marks consisting of fifty one threats to the edge. I then took 257 00:19:41,839 --> 00:19:48,240 a perpendicular photograph of those marks with a copy camera. Here is a photograph 258 00:19:48,319 --> 00:19:52,519 of that portion of the bumper containing those marks. Uh, I wish this 259 00:19:52,640 --> 00:19:57,680 photograph we marked people's exhibits d redentilication. You procede treat mister Joe. What 260 00:19:57,720 --> 00:20:02,319 else did you find in your exactamination of the attendance car? I found fabric 261 00:20:02,359 --> 00:20:07,160 marks on the cowling of the car standing back under the hood. These marks 262 00:20:07,240 --> 00:20:11,640 were made by fabric having a weave of thirty eight ribs to the inch side. 263 00:20:11,160 --> 00:20:15,799 They have air a photograph of noise marks. Yeah, I'm gonna ask 264 00:20:15,880 --> 00:20:21,079 this photograph of mark peoples exhibits. Eat. So what else did you find 265 00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:25,240 your examination of the cars? Joe? I also noted an indentation in the 266 00:20:25,319 --> 00:20:29,720 right portion of the car's hood and had the appearance of having been made by 267 00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:33,039 a soft object and closed in fabric striking the car. Human body struck by 268 00:20:33,039 --> 00:20:37,240 a car makes such an indentation, Yes, it would. There's a photograph 269 00:20:37,359 --> 00:20:45,240 I took of that indentation on the defense carm I asked this photographic markers people's 270 00:20:45,240 --> 00:20:51,960 exhibits and some mark all right, continue this John. On the top of 271 00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:56,440 the right hand fender of the car, I found a lip imprint in red 272 00:20:56,480 --> 00:21:00,759 lipstick. I lifted that print with a piece of celifaing tape, then placed 273 00:21:00,759 --> 00:21:03,440 the tape on a plain white card, which I have my share with me. 274 00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:11,480 Yep as this card mark exhibit G. It's a market. Oh, 275 00:21:11,519 --> 00:21:15,119 mister Jones, these pieces of evidence which you found on the defendant's car, 276 00:21:15,519 --> 00:21:21,440 Uh, did you compare them with other objects? I did? Well? 277 00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:25,680 If please state what comparisons you made and your fighting. Well. In the 278 00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:30,599 first place, I find that the uh fabric marks in People's Exhibit C taken 279 00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:36,519 from the bumper of the car has the same comparence as the stockings won by 280 00:21:36,519 --> 00:21:41,279 the victim, Sheela Gordon. Secondly, I found the fabric marks shown in 281 00:21:41,279 --> 00:21:45,400 the People's Exhibit D from the cowling hood of the car to be the same 282 00:21:45,519 --> 00:21:49,680 cont parench as the coat won by the defendant. I further made a comparison 283 00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:55,400 between the lip imprint found on the right fenders shown in People's Exhibit G and 284 00:21:55,599 --> 00:22:00,279 various exemples of the victim's lips. She made the exemplar by placing her lips 285 00:22:00,279 --> 00:22:07,720 against heavy, stiff white pick. I have those exempt cries with h as 286 00:22:07,759 --> 00:22:11,599 they mars People's Exhibit EG. So mark I mean. I asked how did 287 00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:18,799 the lip imprint taken from the defendant's car compare with these sample imprints made by 288 00:22:18,799 --> 00:22:23,240 the victim's lips. I found that there were seventeen points of similarity between the 289 00:22:23,279 --> 00:22:30,079 two. These points of similarity consists of various uh small lines or wrinkles which 290 00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:34,519 match identically, as a may be seen in the photographs. Right Jones, 291 00:22:34,559 --> 00:22:40,480 do you have an opinion as to the origin of the lip imprint on the 292 00:22:40,519 --> 00:22:45,680 defendant's car as shown in People's Exhibit G. I do, what is that 293 00:22:45,319 --> 00:22:49,960 my opinion that the lip imprint on the defendant's car has shown an exhibit g 294 00:22:51,319 --> 00:23:00,880 was made by the lips of the victim, Sheila Gordon with Well, mister 295 00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:04,960 Jones, we recognize, of course that you're a qualified forensic chemist, but 296 00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:08,160 are you going to set yourself up as an expert on women's lips too? 297 00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:18,599 Well, I've done some research in that part too, mister Jones. Isn't 298 00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:22,880 it possible that any number of lip imprints made by different people would look exactly 299 00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:26,319 alike. No, it's not possible. There are no two things in the 300 00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:32,599 world exactly alike. There are no two sets of lip imprints alike. Well, 301 00:23:32,799 --> 00:23:36,319 anyone who's been around at all would know that. That's all, mister 302 00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:42,000 Jones. Thank you. The peoples gaves your honor defense. We will not 303 00:23:42,079 --> 00:23:45,920 offer any defense at this time, Your honor. It appears to me that 304 00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:48,359 a felony has been committed and reasonable cause to believe that the defendant committed it. 305 00:23:48,519 --> 00:23:56,079 The defendent will be held to answer in Superior Court. Tuesday, November 306 00:23:56,119 --> 00:24:00,599 fourth, Suspect Ralph Angelo was arraigned in Superior Court Department eighty eight eight and 307 00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:03,480 the date of his trial was set for December first. During the weeks preceding 308 00:24:03,519 --> 00:24:07,960 the set of the trial, we worked with Lee Jones and the District Attorney's 309 00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:11,000 office preparing the case against Ralph Angelo. Two days before the trial opened, 310 00:24:11,039 --> 00:24:15,039 we had a visit from one of the men from the DA's office process server 311 00:24:15,519 --> 00:24:26,200 all Right Burke Ahi got yeah. Sheila Gordon's disappeared. Wednesday, December first, 312 00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:30,400 Ralph Angelo's trial opened and Sheila Gordon was called to the stand. She 313 00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:34,319 failed to appear. We checked her few known friends in the city. They 314 00:24:34,319 --> 00:24:38,000 couldn't help. She had disappeared from her new address and taken everything with her. 315 00:24:38,599 --> 00:24:42,400 A bench warrant was issued by Superior Court for Sheila Gordon. The Deputy 316 00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:47,519 District Attorney succeeded in having the court granted delay in order to find the missing 317 00:24:47,559 --> 00:24:49,680 girl in this case, the complaining witness. Meantime, we got out a 318 00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:53,319 local broadcast in an APB. We got Missing Persons Detail to help out on 319 00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:57,640 the search. Still no sign. Ralph Angelo's lawyer asked the court for dismissal 320 00:24:57,680 --> 00:25:00,720 of the hit and run felony case because of Sheila Gordon's failure to appear. 321 00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:07,359 On December the eighth, the court ruled on the motion regarding the motion by 322 00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:12,119 the defense for dismissal of hit and run felony charges against ralfci Angelo because of 323 00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:17,880 the prosecution's failure to produce the complaining witness through which Sheila R. Gordon, 324 00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:21,880 the court feels it would not serve the interests of justice to continue the case 325 00:25:22,519 --> 00:25:27,599 cases myths. The search for Sheila Gordon went on behind us. We had 326 00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:32,640 logged three solid months of police work, checking and running down more than four 327 00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:37,000 thousand cars, hours of labor in the crime lamb, more hours pounding the 328 00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:41,640 pavement, questioning people, checking, re checking. Without a trial and a 329 00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:45,599 conviction, it didn't mean a thing. Three days before Christmas, we received 330 00:25:45,599 --> 00:25:48,559 information that the missing girl was living in a small town south of Los Angeles. 331 00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:56,039 Ben and I checked the address. What was the apartment number seven A 332 00:25:56,160 --> 00:26:11,559 one? Oh yeah, uh again, yeah, oh you two, come 333 00:26:11,599 --> 00:26:15,079 in, Come in, make yourself at home. I'm sorry to play such 334 00:26:15,079 --> 00:26:18,640 a mass little party earlier tonight. It's messed up. What about the trial? 335 00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:22,480 Why didn't you show considan see I'll tell you what. I'll freshen up 336 00:26:22,519 --> 00:26:26,240 a little, put on some makeup. What about the trial? I didn't 337 00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:30,680 have anything against the guy. I didn't mean to run me down. You 338 00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:32,720 You wouldn't happen to have a drink on you, would you? You know 339 00:26:32,799 --> 00:26:34,599 better than that. Why didn't you show up at the trial? I told 340 00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:37,640 you I didn't have anything against the guy? Or was it a payoff? 341 00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:41,359 Look? Why don't we go out and get something then we can come back 342 00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:44,519 and have a party. How much did he give you? Fifty dollars? 343 00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:48,200 He was awful? Nice? You agreed not to show in court. I 344 00:26:48,319 --> 00:26:51,960 didn't have anything against the guy. That's all. Better get your coat. 345 00:26:52,599 --> 00:27:00,240 Why that's what the court wants to know. You're taking me in Why is 346 00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:03,680 there any law against forgiving? Yeah, when you get paid for it. 347 00:27:11,839 --> 00:27:15,720 The story you have just heard was true, only the names were changed to 348 00:27:15,839 --> 00:27:21,480 protect the innocent. On February third, trial was held in Superior Court, 349 00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:23,720 Department eighty eighth, City and County of Los Angeles, State of California. 350 00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:37,720 In a moment the results of that trial, Sheila Gordon was returned to Los 351 00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:42,720 Angeles and a new date was set for the trial of Ralph Angelo. Subsequently, 352 00:27:42,839 --> 00:27:48,200 he was tried and found guilty as charged. Angelo was also tried, 353 00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:52,960 along with Sheila Gordon, for compounding a felony. They were both convicted and 354 00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:56,599 received the sentence as prescribed by law. They are now serving their terms in 355 00:27:56,640 --> 00:28:06,480 the state penitentiary. You have just heard Dragnets, a series of authentic cases 356 00:28:06,519 --> 00:28:10,920 from official fails. Technical advice for Dragnet comes from the Office of Chief of 357 00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:18,240 Police W. A. Wharton, Los Angeles Police Department. The Halls of 358 00:28:18,279 --> 00:28:40,680 Ivy is especially pleasant listening tomorrow on NBC Welcome Back. I thought that the 359 00:28:40,759 --> 00:28:47,799 way they made expositional dialogue fit right into the plot was a really interesting device, 360 00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:52,720 with Friday using a bunch of it, but it being okay because they 361 00:28:52,759 --> 00:28:57,680 were doing it for a police report that a stenographer was writing down and later 362 00:28:57,759 --> 00:29:03,759 he was recounting the information in the testimony. We also got to hear what 363 00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:11,359 a preliminary hearing was like in the nineteen fifties. I think we're fairly familiar 364 00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:18,119 with the concept, as this procedure has been featured in many fictional programs but 365 00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:25,200 also in real life cases that have drawn national attention. I didn't note that 366 00:29:25,319 --> 00:29:30,720 Friday just gave his name as Joe here, whereas in an episode from nineteen 367 00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:34,640 forty nine he gave his name as Joseph. I wonder whether there was some 368 00:29:34,759 --> 00:29:40,160 change in procedure, for it was just a reflection of the writer's preferences. 369 00:29:40,519 --> 00:29:47,319 Then we got the detailed direct testimony of Lee Jones and the saucy cross examination. 370 00:29:48,079 --> 00:29:51,759 Lee Jones was like, I know a thing or two about let prints. 371 00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:56,920 Let me tell you. Kind of awkward, but I think it had 372 00:29:56,960 --> 00:30:07,640 an understandable reason because the way that he was cross examined reflect the newness of 373 00:30:07,359 --> 00:30:15,839 a lot of the public awareness of physical evidence. A defense tactic would be 374 00:30:15,279 --> 00:30:21,720 to ridicule the evidence and undermine the jury's faith that it can determine anything, 375 00:30:21,799 --> 00:30:26,559 will provide any evidentiary value that you could rely on, and make it absurd. 376 00:30:27,279 --> 00:30:33,279 Jones used humor to reflect and also though he did reflect confidence in what 377 00:30:33,519 --> 00:30:40,519 he knew and on his understanding of the evidence and wasn't going to be backed 378 00:30:40,559 --> 00:30:45,079 off. This was also one of those cases where some of the random things 379 00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:49,559 police officers encounter turned out to be relevant. With the landlady coming to them 380 00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:56,400 to complain about the victim, her complaint was something the police couldn't care less 381 00:30:56,440 --> 00:31:00,839 about, and ideally, if you're a victim of a crime, the police 382 00:31:00,039 --> 00:31:06,680 shouldn't be there to judge you or your lifestyle but to ensure the person who 383 00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:11,599 committed a crime against you is brought to justice. Obviously, if you've committed 384 00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:17,400 a crime, that's something else, and the police need to prosecute that if 385 00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:22,519 appropriate. But they did exactly what they're supposed to do. And they were 386 00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:29,039 even in a subtle way trying to say to the landlady, come on, 387 00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:33,039 she's in the hospital. She might not even survive. Maybe you need to 388 00:31:33,079 --> 00:31:38,480 back off. But they did their job. And then she goes ahead and 389 00:31:38,559 --> 00:31:44,559 ditches the trial for a fifty dollars ride. And I think this episode really 390 00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:51,440 gives you perspective because I can see someone who's just kind of a casual news 391 00:31:51,839 --> 00:31:55,720 reader, you know, and they hear about this story and they're like, 392 00:31:56,119 --> 00:32:00,519 you know, what's the big deal. He didn't even intend to hear her. 393 00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:07,160 And it's not this huge charge. If she doesn't want to press charges, 394 00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:13,000 what's the problem. The big deal is that the people of Los Angeles 395 00:32:13,039 --> 00:32:17,400 paid for thousands of man hours of work on this case, and effectively she 396 00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:22,480 took a bribe to ignore subpoena and the case fell apart. And you can't 397 00:32:22,519 --> 00:32:29,559 have a functioning justice system if that happens. If people are able to pull 398 00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:34,359 those sorts of stunts. Now, one thing some people might wonder about is 399 00:32:34,519 --> 00:32:39,160 how they were able to prosecute if the case was dismissed. Now, it's 400 00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:45,400 worth noting that there are actually two ways a case can be dismissed. One 401 00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:51,880 is with prejudice, which means it can't be brought again and it's effectively the 402 00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:57,759 same as equipmental. The second is dismissal without prejudice, which means it can 403 00:32:57,799 --> 00:33:04,519 be refiled later if whatever defect was in the case has resolved. In this 404 00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:07,519 case, since she came back, they could go ahead and proceed with the 405 00:33:07,559 --> 00:33:14,200 case. Now. They didn't say the without prejudice part, and I don't 406 00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:17,440 know why, but to be fair, they did a lot of legal maneuvering 407 00:33:17,559 --> 00:33:22,839 and language in this episode, so I can't complain too much about that. 408 00:33:22,319 --> 00:33:27,160 All right, Well, listener comments and feedback now, and we start with 409 00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:34,720 a couple of comments reviews left by Alexis, who has rated so many of 410 00:33:34,759 --> 00:33:39,240 our episodes over there, and I really appreciate Alexis doing that because that helps 411 00:33:39,279 --> 00:33:45,480 get us noticed on the Good Pawns app But there are a couple of comments, 412 00:33:45,559 --> 00:33:52,200 and they both related to Dragnet regarding the episode The Big Gangster Alexis Riots, 413 00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:58,440 how patient were they during the fitting. Modern police shows would have stopped 414 00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:02,599 that much sooner. And of course that references the scene in The Big Gangster 415 00:34:02,759 --> 00:34:08,639 Part two where they sat through this entire thing where a guy was being fitted 416 00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:12,559 for a suit, and then they said, you know, can we go 417 00:34:12,639 --> 00:34:17,480 ahead and ask you some questions and then you can go on after a good 418 00:34:17,519 --> 00:34:24,199 deal of time. Now, of course that reflects Dragnette's dedication to realism and 419 00:34:25,119 --> 00:34:30,679 the fact it wasn't just playing to the audience's attention span. And I think 420 00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:34,480 the realism part of it was in that case, there had been a crime 421 00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:40,159 committed, the person they were wanting to question was not particularly friendly to the 422 00:34:40,199 --> 00:34:46,920 police, and they needed this guy's cooperation. They needed him not to have 423 00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:52,880 he and his friends go off half cocked and start a gang war. That's 424 00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:59,519 what they're trying to prevent. And so realistically they're going to be a bit 425 00:34:59,639 --> 00:35:06,000 more deferential this person. They don't suspect he's done anything that's relevant to their 426 00:35:06,039 --> 00:35:09,000 investigation. They're not trying to get him for a crime. They're trying to 427 00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:15,320 get information and cooperation, and they need goodwill. So They're going to be 428 00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:21,199 a lot more patient than they might be if they suspected this guy was guilty 429 00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:25,480 of a crime or was the target of their investigation, and certainly a little 430 00:35:25,519 --> 00:35:30,960 more patient than the audience might prefer. And then regarding the Big Book, 431 00:35:31,119 --> 00:35:37,079 Alexis writes, the director of the Square Shooters Club was that a real thing? 432 00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:42,880 Surely that was Colonel Potter from mash Well, thanks for the comment, 433 00:35:43,119 --> 00:35:47,440 and know the Square Shooters Club was not a real thing, although there were 434 00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:55,239 clubs like it, and they were not trying to antagonize those real life clubs, 435 00:35:55,400 --> 00:36:00,360 but to address an argument that might be raped. And yes, the 436 00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:07,760 voice was Harry Morgan who played Colonel Potter, but I guess here we more 437 00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:15,000 often refer to his role as Bill Gannon, Joe Friday's partner in the nineteen 438 00:36:15,639 --> 00:36:21,239 sixties Dragnet TV series. Thanks again for the comments, Alexis. And now 439 00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:23,400 it is time to thank our Patreon supporter of the day, and I want 440 00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:27,960 to go ahead and thank Sean. Sean has been one of our Patreon supporters 441 00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:32,440 since June of twenty twenty one, currently supporting the podcast at the shamous level 442 00:36:32,519 --> 00:36:37,320 of four dollars or more per month. Thank you so much for your support, 443 00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:40,000 Shawn, and that will do it for today. If you're enjoying the 444 00:36:40,039 --> 00:36:45,320 podcast, please follow us using your favorite podcast software and be sure to rate 445 00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:51,000 and review the podcast wherever you download it from. We will be back next 446 00:36:51,039 --> 00:36:57,480 Saturday with another episode of Dragnet, but join us on Monday for an episode 447 00:36:57,519 --> 00:37:00,199 of the Adventures of the Falcon where Marc. Are you invested with him in 448 00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:04,280 the first place? Well, you see, Muriel, friend of mine, 449 00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:08,400 put her money in Barnes Company, and she made a fabulous profit. Fabulous 450 00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:12,639 is a nice word for it. Just how good a friend is this, 451 00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:17,199 Muriel? Oh? Very good? That's how long? Oh a month? 452 00:37:20,079 --> 00:37:22,800 He cooks the finger you rush in and gets done. But now, now, 453 00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:24,199 now, now, don't get the wrong idea about Muriel. She's a 454 00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:27,400 nice girl. Oh, no, doubt she wouldn't lie to me. No, 455 00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:30,880 of course not. He claimed dealing with Barnes as profitable for her. 456 00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:34,920 Well, I'm sure it is a nice fat profit for every sucker. Now 457 00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:37,480 you're wrong in that case. You still want to hire me, yes, 458 00:37:37,599 --> 00:37:39,400 but you'll find out how wrong you are. All right, you're thinking of 459 00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:43,360 this as a swindle, but it's not Barnes meant to pay off. I'm 460 00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:46,239 sure that he did pay off to Muriel, but now something's happened and he's 461 00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:52,360 stalling. Apparently he's hard pressed for cash. Well, if mister Barnes were 462 00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:54,480 so hard pressed for cash, I think I'll off from some and see what 463 00:37:54,519 --> 00:37:58,960 happens. I hope you'll be with us then in the meantime, send your 464 00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:04,679 comments to Box thirteen at Great Detectives dot net, follow us on Twitter at 465 00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:09,440 Radio Detectives, and check us out on Instagram, Instagram, dot com slash 466 00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:16,159 Great Detectives from Boise, Idaho. This is your host, Adam Graham signing off.