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That's when all hell brokes. I
mean there was screaming and roaring and yelling,

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and all I could tell you it
was like scariest hell. I couldn't

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wrap my head around because I'd never
heard it before. It was loud as

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crap. All of a sudden,
these two trees start shaking. And these

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trees, these two trees are eight
feet maybe ten feet apart at this point,

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and they're shaking like they're in a
snow globe, isolated, just two

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trees in a calm, tall day, and it was just two trees bowing

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absolutely nuts. You get a group
and try to shake that tree, you

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even do it, and the yelling
never stopped. It got so aggressive that

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we actually backed out. It went
from really nuts to crazy. We could

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feel that noise that rever there.
So this is all screaming, all all

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this is going on, sticks,
maybe rocks, things like that. You

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could see splashes because we went pretty
far back and it's never fired it down,

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And then all of a sudden it
just stopped. That was it crazy?

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It was. It was a long
night. Yeah, this is Bigfoot

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Crossroads. I'm Matt and I am
joined by the fabulous Vogel Brothers. Bigfoot

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brothers man, I don't think I've
ever ran across that before. Tim and

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Eric, welcome to the show.
Well, thank you, thanks for having

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us. Which one of you guys
were interested in Bigfoot first and probably around

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the same time, Yeah, yeah, what got you interested in this crazy

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subject? Yeah, I know it. Well, our trip down the rabbit

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hole was since nineteen seventy six and
literally went to see the Bob O the

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Sasquatch legend Bigfoot, and it was
at a local cinemas. We walked next

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town over watched this thing. It
was in November, I guess snow and

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it was a winter time. And
then come December, just before January,

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all of a sudden, we had
this thing come through our backyard with large

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tracks. It was just huge foot
tracks coming through our backyard, came up

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the railroad, tracks across the river, went back down across the river again.

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It was pretty you know, it's
a large river. It's not no,

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it's the Westfield River. This all
happened a little town of Aguam in

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West Springfield and basically it ended up
turning out to be a hoax. Yeah,

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but they were tracks that came in
through our yard. Yeah, through

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our apple and then they went back
to the other side and they ended up.

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It was a huge deal. We
had people from all over the country

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coming through our backyard following these tracks, and back then they didn't have a

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lot of bigfoot investigators. And I
believe the two that they sent out were

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from California who I don't remember who
they were too. We were too young

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at the time, but there is
an article written about it. But that's

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how we got started. Yeah,
so this thing just basically came through our

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backyards, left some large tracks as
winter, and you know, at fourteen,

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you know, you're like the cool
kid on the box because all of

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a sudden, the news and the
police and everybody's got the you know,

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crazy thing in their backyard. And
really no one knew about bigfoot around here

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because it was a West Coast thing, I think, you know, And

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all of a sudden, that movie
probably spurred this guy to make the hoax.

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And and you know, there's a
lot of people that just fell in

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love with it and all of a
sudden it was a cool thing. So

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how was the hoax unraveled? Did
the guy just admit to it? Yeah,

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you know, it was some kind
of detective found out yeah. Well,

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the guy started out he was a
patrolman and they gave him the case

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and he worked on it for years
and he became a detective. And once

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he'd be two years into being a
detective, he figured it out. And

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uh, it was just a young
kid, y'all, just have playing a

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game. But it took it.
It took a few years from the figure

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it out, but it got you
guys hooked. Oh yeah, yeah,

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oh yeah. That kint Us started
literally he was in our backyard. So

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we had these thinking and in a
while, the investigator's name I think is

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Lee Frank. When you go back
and look through all the the the literature

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online and the newspaper clippings and whatnot, I believe it was Lee Frank is

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the guy. Anyway, you know, we had all these investigators like us

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and you know, coming through the
ark and all of a sudden, you

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know, you had this weird creature
in your backyard. And literally this guy

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who hopesed it he really did his
due diligence because he went he did he

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went a long way. I mean
he traveled a long way in snow and

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plywood feet in order to get this
out. Because he literally he came from

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the Veterans Bridge up a canal road
across the frozen canal, across the railroad

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tracks, up the mountain to our
house. Uh, followed the creek all

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the way up to our backyard.
Our backyard had napple orchard in it,

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and uh, and then went out
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of the way it came in up
that that valley, and then walked up

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the railroad tracks to the dam across
the Westfield River and at that point,

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and it was quarter mile wide.
You know it's pretty wide. Yeah it

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was. It was frozen, but
uh, you know, we had rules

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we couldn't we couldn't go on the
ice, and we didn't. So that's

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as far as we went. But
you know, we were following these tracks

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at work. Yeah, little bit
we know it was. But it was

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cool, you know, all the
hype and everything going on. So Bigfoot

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was in our backyard and that's how
we knew. It's all America, folks,

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for not Bigfoot was there. I
just find that fascinating though, because

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so many people you have these situations, as I'm sure you're both you know,

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more than aware of where people will
look at trackways and things like that

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and just say, oh, well, there's no way this could have been

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a hoax. Why would somebody be
out here doing this? Right, the

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first thing you guys encountered was somebody
doing the unexpected, something that nobody would

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ever do. Why would somebody do
this? But yet there they were.

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Yeah, there's stories out there,
you can read about it. Yeah,

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app in West Springfield, Aguam nineteen
seventy six, December. It was pretty

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wild. Were there like stories of
Bigfoot in the area. Nope, No,

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no, just when that movie was
coming out, Yeah, we probably

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saw, you know, newspaper clipping
of it or something and came on the

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TV maybe and we walked all the
way Entagon on the Twin Sylists to go

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see it. For us, that
was a long walk in the winter,

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in the snow, and you were
seditated. Though. In the seventies there

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was a lot of sightings around North
America. Do you think Bigfoot in movies

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and things like that had a lot
to do with that. Do you think

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this sort of thing happened all over
the place or do you think there is

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actually an uptick in side it.
I think, you know, the movies

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probably gave people an outlet say hey, you know, I actually saw something

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like that one day, you know, and kind of whereas most people.

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We've talked a lot of people in
our investigations, and a lot of people

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wouldn't normally talk to them or tell
other people about it, and they don't

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want their names mentioned or be associated
with it because you're looking at a boogeyman

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or a unicorn and they actually saw
it, and they don't know how to

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You don't know how to bring that
forward and make reality or sense of it.

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But you know, we've had our
experience. We're knowers. We're not

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believers anymore. We know it beyond
that. We've had our experience, and

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you cannot have it as simple as
that, so we don't. I think

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the movies might bring it out in
people, Yeah, you know, it

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might bring it might bring it out
to where they can use it, like

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you said, as an outlet,
but they can tell their story. A

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lot of people don't tell their story, you know. That's why there's I

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mean, we haven't had a good
report in a long time, you know,

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and it's because no one wants to
actually put themselves out there and say

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that this is something else. I
ponder quite often whenever we're looking at citing

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reports to try and figure out numbers, and you know how often people are

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actually saying these things. You know, here in Oklahoma you still have a

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lot of rural communities and country folks
that don't like talking about that sort of

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thing, that still avoid the ridicule
and the idea of somebody having a sighting

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and then being brave enough or whatever
to come forward with that information and to

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take the time to think, oh
well, let me look it up on

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the internet. Let me look to
see if there's a place where I can

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actually report this too, right right, yeah, how many sightings do you

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think go unreported? Tons? It's
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really. In fact, Eric and
I have have done investigations with other people

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and had class A experiences and never
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you know, which is kind of
crazy, because we do as researchers as

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research, right, yeah, we
almost We just don't think of it that

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way. Right. Well, it's
almost commonplace, you know, because you

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know, people will scoffer something and
say, well, geez, how do

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they have so many you know,
as a red flag, how do you

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have so many experiences? Well,
as researchers can get caught you go on

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these calls and you get to go
where the where the creature was, you

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know, maybe a day or two
or a week prior to look for tracks,

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look for other evidence. But you're
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it's kind of like their activity.
Yeah, perps only get called up when

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they're needed. You know. It's
kind of like a squatch report. You

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know, you get a report,
you go and investigate it. You kind

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of listen to it, you take
it on its merit, what it's you

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know, what value is in there
and and if you want to go and

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investigate it, you will drive hours
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a good information. Well, uh
and we've driven hours to you know,

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get junked too. So you know
a lot of people have variations on what

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they see, what they hear,
what they do. You know, some

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places everything's a bigfoot you know with
some people. And and to us,

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you know, we as guides,
you know, we are an adventure business

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years and we were outdoor guides.
We went everywhere and uh, you know,

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one hundred and fifty days a year
spent outside camping or programming, and

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never ever ever, you know,
had had issues with any of these other

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you know, like people having bigfoot
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know, I don't know, it
was kind of it's kind of most interactions.

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Yeah, it's kind of like when
that we brought those school groups into

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Connecticut. What got you guys on
the path of actually researching and investigating this

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phenomenon? A trip to the ad
Aroundicks New York, New York. Yeah,

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the Upper Adirondecks. Yeah, as
guides. We owned the come Mount

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and Outdoors and that was for about
fifteen years. Retired to business, but

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it was an adventure education business and
we guide all over. We're New York

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state license guides. We were all
over New England, did international stuff as

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well. So we've been doing it
for a long time, well over twenty

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twenty five years. But with the
business was fifteen years, so years.

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You know, Kobe shows up,
natch out and then you know, because

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it's a community type thing, you
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didn't work out so good. The
Avarondics was always one of the best places

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to me. I thought it was
one of the nicest places because you were

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out there away from everybody. Half
the time. The cell phone didn't even

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work. Yeah, it felt pretty
remote. You know, and we used

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to go out there all the time
in this one area, the Floodwood area,

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so we knew we knew the area
very well. We've been doing it

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for over ten years. And we
used to take all our school groups out

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there, the whole nine yards.
And this one time we decided to take

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our own vacation in and we went
out there for for a canoeing trip,

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right and uh we we paddled out, set up our camp and we uh

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we went fishing and Tim. Tim
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you know, so he's he's watching
the shoreline. I'm watching the water.

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And it's probably one of the best
days of fishing I've ever had.

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You know, he didn't get to
enjoy it as much as I did,

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but I'll tell you I was catching
him left and right, and they were

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good sized fish. And then we
there were three to four pounds small if

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you ever fished around, they were, Yeah, you catch it three or

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four pounds smallly on a fly rode. It's nuts, simple as breaking water.

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They're all over the place. It's
a good time. Yeah, But

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we're headed into the uh just inlet. Yep, it headed towards the beaver

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dal. So we go. We
we passed this island, We going to

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this in with and the fishing is
just as good. It's become a fish

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story at that point. You're no
longer fishing for dinner and we're fishing this

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braided stream. That's what it is. It's more of a braided stream at

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this point. Can't really tell where
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So we're going up this braided stream. We're catching fish, catching fish.

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We get up to a beaver dam
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it's probably three or four feet above
our head. You know. We're sitting

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in a canoe and now we're fly
fishing over the beaver dam, and all

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of a sudden we get a bike
or I got a bike and start bringing

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it in and that's when all hellbroke
boosts. I mean, there was screaming

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and roaring and yelling and all this
all together like a cacophony of yelling and

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screaming noise. It's kind of hard
to put a that was this and that

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was that? All I could tell
you. It was like scary at cow

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and I couldn't under I couldn't wrap
my head around because I'd never heard it

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before. All I could tell you
it was loud as crap. It was

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loud. So we're fishing below this
beaver pond, this dam, and uh,

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they all of a sudden, these
two trees start shaking, and these

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trees were probably we went back a
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year. These two trees are eight
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and they are shaking like they're in
a snow globe. Isolated, just

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two trees in a calm summer day, fall day, and it was just

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two trees going absolutely nuts and stick
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Oh yeah, yeah they were.
There wasn't no. I mean, we

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get a group and try to shake
that tree and you ain't even to do

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it. But but two of them
were shaking like they were in a snow

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globe. And the yelling never stopped. And this went on. It got

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so aggressive that we actually backed out
of the area. And he wanted to

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go up, or rather I wanted
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but he didn't want to go so, you know, like the cartoon just

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kind of ripped it that canoe.
But having said that, this thing.

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This was actually happening, and yeah, crazy, It was freaky enough and

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scary enough. Uh. It sounded
aggressive, is what it. So it

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went from really nuts to crazy.
Uh, and we backed out further into

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the water. We're in a canoe. We were out there quite away because

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we thought maybe this thing was going
to charge. And yeah, because we

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had no clue what it was because
we never saw it. That was like

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a beating up a mountain lion or
something. I don't know, really no

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clues, but it was that that
aggressive and all the animals, like I

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always said, put all the animals
together in a room in a zoo,

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and it was still wasn't the same
noise. It was crazy. It's very

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nothing you've ever heard Raul hollow yell
scream, yeah, all with no wow.

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So so this happens and it becomes
like, I don't know if you're

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a fan of Ted Nugent been to
a concert, but have you ever been

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to a Ted NuGen concert and it's
loud and the reverb and the concert just

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hits you in the chest. It's
ultimately you know, it's like incredible.

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And we were feeling that from this
this sound that was coming from the woods,

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we're you know, way back fifty
yards maybe one hundred yards, going

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to one hundred yards back in the
water because it got aggressive, so we

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backed out. We could feel that
noise, that reverb that far out in

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the water in the canoe. So
it was like it was I don't know,

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it was, it was, it
was. And of course we had

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no phone. We were fishing for
dinner and we didn't even own a phone.

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I don't think, you know,
no, I don't think we have

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one. Yeah, And you know, I work as a ranger. I

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do this full time, and we've
both. Eric's retired so he just squatches

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all day. He's retired. So
so I've had numerous bear encounters, black

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bear and they and I'm not boasting. I'm just telling you they always run.

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I've never had an encounter where it
was a scary deal. They've always

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taken off. They don't sit there
and yell and scream and argue and tell

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you and thro sticks in the lake
at you or any of that. None

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of it. They run. This
was no way of bear. It was.

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It was too aggressive. Whatever it
was was was mad enough to to

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push us out of there. And
I mean screaming. The ones that that

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that will take off from a lot
of things, but we bet that one.

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That one backed us right out into
the middle of the lake. We

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just stayed there for a while.
So this is all screaming. All while

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this is going on, sticks,
uh, maybe rocks, things like that.

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You could see splashes because we went
pretty far back and it never quieted

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down. Then all of a sudden, it just stopped. That was it.

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We finished fishing, kind of didn't
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no, we did it because we
all we both knew we had a paddle

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back to our campsite, which there's
less much mile from where this thing just

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happened on the same side. Yeah. Yeah, it's just you know,

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a little bit done at the bank
there and that's where it's happening. So

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it's crazy. It was. It
was a long night. Yeah, we

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get back to camp and uh we
had dinner, we had a campfire,

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and uh, you know, we
stayed up as long as we were going

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to stay up. Eric's and a
hammock and I'm in a tent and we're

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separated pretty far and uh, you
know that night, I don't know what

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time it was. All I could
tell you is something came through the campsite.

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Woke me up, and I'm yelling
here there's something in the campsite.

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But you know, I just give
him a manage up. He's a taco,

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he's asleeping. Yeah, it could
be it could be Kyle's wolves.

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Who knows moose coming through? You've
got a tripped or something, and so

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it's it was going to be a
bad time. And and it was gone

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as quick as it came. Uh
and that was it. And uh so

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we got the heck out of there
real quick the next morning. Next morning,

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we were backed up and we're done. But that's that's what got us

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going as adults, really pushed us
to say, hey, what's going on.

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Yeah, we this isn't normal.
We could tell you everything, it

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wasn't right. We couldn't tell you
what it was. Yeah, but I

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have a feeling it was Bigfoot.
Well that's that's what I believe. I

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believe one now that we Monday morning
quarterback that experience, well, we've had

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a lot of time to look back
and listen to other stories and other people

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talking about it, you know,
and and meeting different people like Bobo and

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Cliff and uh doctor Meldrim and a
few of them you know, talking to

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them, and then you hear it, then you run your story back through

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your mind and you say, holy
crap, there's no other thing that it

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couldn't have been. There's there's just
no you know. And and where we

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were was very remote. And if
you've ever been in the New York Lake

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area, it's a boreal forest.
It's thick. It's I caught the Pitbull

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woods. And you don't walk in
this place on purpose, you know,

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the trails are cut out of there's
these these forests. There's they're dark at

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four o'clock, you know, in
the summer, when the sun is out

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till nine. So these these are
dark forests, They're thick. They're not

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something you're going to just randomly go
bush whacking through, not on purpose anyway,

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not on purpose. And this thing
and where we were or whatever it

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was, there was no need for
it to even be there except except for

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fishing. For fishing. We were
there fishing. And if this is as

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gnarly as an environment as it is, this thing hit dep Remember we were

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at a beaver dam and this this
beaver dam was shaped like a bowl,

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and then it went tapered back to
a stream, and I believe. We

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believe that, you know, our
good friend Dave mccallaugh as a hand track

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a bigfoot. You know, it's
this ginormous hand foss or hand cast.

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It's as big as a basketball.
So if you if there were two of

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them there, potentially because there was
two trees shaken like crazy, I can

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see you you got four humongous sized
mits maybe straining that water back. They

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might have been pushing fish and catching
fish in that little contained beaver dam.

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We were there for fishing, and
there was fish in the beaver in the

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beaver pond, so it's very possible. I always think, you know,

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why would they be there? You
know, it's a random thing. You

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you you know, if you're a
hunter, you're probably gonna go and wait

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at a you know, feed a
lot of water, a lot a bed,

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a You're you're going there for a
purpose, for a reason. Because

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they're there for a reason and a
purpose. It's not the random going through

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the woods stuff. That's the guy
who's getting lucky. You know, he

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woke up at a stone wall when
he's crossing. You know, that's a

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really interesting thing because I mean,
in essence of beaver dam is just a

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larger version of a primitive type of
fish trap, exactly exactly. And these

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guys have been around a long time. And dude, these they if their

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mits are as big as the as
the cast that Dave mccolla has. And

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you they've been around in the big
foot world. Everybody knows what I'm talking

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about with these ginormous first so you
can really scoop the water if they were

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fishing, and if that's what they
were doing, we interrupted it and they

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got mad and they said get out
of here. You know, we started,

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like I was telling you, he's
three and four pound smallies. They

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break the water and they dance and
they're you know, they're all over the

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place, all across the water,
and it's fun on a fly rod,

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you know, five weight and it's
just bending like nuts. And you know,

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after a while, it was a
lot of fun. Weren't even thinking

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about dinner, it was. It
was about catching fish. And then all

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of a sudden, all hell broke
loose, literally and in moments and seconds,

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boom, the whole woodline just seemed
like it blew up, tree shaking,

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screaming, things coming out. That's
absolutely nuts. That's what sent us

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to really go down that rabbit hole. Yeah, then we met up with

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a few other people. I actually
had a camp out. We got into

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the Facebook world, got into a
camp out, met some people and they

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had a similar story, and kind
of one thing led to another. We

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ended up in Ohio with the Squatchachusetts
group as members. We worked with the

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BFRO things like that, and now
we're just kind of, you know,

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doing our own thing. It's pretty
interesting how different people react to these incidents

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differently, the incident that you guys
had, the encounter you had, you

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know, and of course bigfoot hindsight, you know, isn't it something once

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you learn a little bit and get
a little experience on your belt and you

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start looking back at your encounter,
how much more information there really is there?

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Yeah, why don't you think you
guys decided to actually go down that

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rabbit hole as opposed to just throw
your hands up and walk away like so

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many people do. Oh well we're
out, we're outdoorsment anyways. Yeah,

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we owned an adventure education business,
so it was intriguing anyway. Plus it

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came from our childhood, right,
So this was something as an adult you

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kind of latch your teeth into because
you kind of remember it as a kid,

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and there was some in our mind, there was some truth to it.

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I didn't even know what a hoax
was, We're honest with you.

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It didn't care. This thing came
through my bad care right and we were

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like, you know, that was
it. It was big fools backyard.

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And you know, so then we
had this experience as an adult, and

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this was really truly a wilderness experience, encountering what we believed to be a

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bigfoot maybe two and in a very
remote area, and we had we weren't

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just going home that night. We
were there and we weren't coming home.

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We were stuck out in the woods. So we made the best of it

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by by kind of minimizing what we
just experienced, I believe, by really

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not talking about We sit around the
campfire, ool crap, and you know,

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figure, if you didn't talk about
it, it didn't happen. Maybe

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you want something. But then of
course it woke me up, or something

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woked me up going through the campsite. But yeah, so that's kind of

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really you know, really getting in
the Facebook and meeting up with these other

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folks having similar experiences and and then
kind of solidifies that well, I ain't

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that crazy. We did have this
experience and now I can unhabit, so

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you know, I just and now
we've had many other interactions and you know,

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how has that happened. Well,
we've got many witnesses with our our

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you know, we've had multiple Class
a's or or visuals and we've been there

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with ten people that have seen these
thiss or heard the nuts or smelted or

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something like that. It's not like
we just walk out and make this stuff

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up. There's witnesses to back up
the story. So you know, if

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it's coming out of where we're talking
about, there's definitely backups to prove what

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we're saying as well, with both
of you having the background that you have

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as guides. This is another thing
that interests me a lot is I talked

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to a lot of hunters that have
encounters, and you also hear a lot

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of hunters talk about, well,
if these things were out there, I

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would have seen tracks. I would
have ran across one by Now, you

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guys were guides. Why do you
think that hunters and guides and rangers can

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spend so much time in the wilderness
and not encounter these things. It's an

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elusive preacher. Yeah, that's what
it is. It's there. Just because

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you don't see it doesn't mean it's
not there. You know. It's like

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an animal. An animal, a
bear can smell you what a mile two

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miles away. They don't need they
don't need to be next to you.

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Yeah, and I don't think these
things are I think these are the same

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way. It's it's an animal and
they know when you're there. Yeah,

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it's you know, walking through the
woods bear hunting or deer hunt and not

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seeing anything. You know, they're
aware, they've winded you, they've heard

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you something else. The blue jays
are giving you away. Something is talking

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in the woods to let you know
they're out there or you're there. Something

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in the words. The woods have
their own communications, and they have a

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whole different pattern and and you have
to pay attention, live in the woods,

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pay attention to work in the woods
to see these things, you know,

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And there are patterns in the woods. Things do certain things at certain

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times, certain reasons why, And
these are patterns. They avoid you as

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much as you want to avoid them. Even though you're trying to look for

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them, they're going to avoid you. And curio curiosity brings them around.

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Accidents will bring them. They've crossed
a felt field, they cross the road.

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People say it's being in the wrong
place at the wrong time. I

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say it's being in the right place
at the right time. You know,

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what are some of the patterns that
you've noticed that these things have. They're

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they're elusive. You can't get a
clear picture supposedly, things like that.

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That's a pattern, and there's reasons
for that. You know, everybody says,

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you know he did with with the
camera, with the picture, with

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the cameras and the pictures today,
you should have a clear picture. Well

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when you see something like down the
road, even if you're standing still,

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if you see something like that,
your brain's not registering that. And now

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you're picking up the phone and you're
trying to hold it and you're trying to

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take a picture of this thing.
You have to unlock your phone and you

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get it in there. You're trying
to figure it all out and at the

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same time take a picture. It's
you know, it just doesn't happen to

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get it one that a good clear
picture in the right place at the right

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time, getting good trackways. I'm
sitting here with a bunch of tracks on

408
00:30:03.640 --> 00:30:07.960
the table that we personally casted and
never once came up with a really good

409
00:30:08.079 --> 00:30:12.039
track way. Uh, October Mountain
gave us, uh, you know,

410
00:30:12.160 --> 00:30:18.400
half a dozen tracks, two that
we were castable, and one that shows

411
00:30:18.519 --> 00:30:22.160
really decent flexation in the toes.
You know, it's not the perfect you

412
00:30:22.240 --> 00:30:26.480
know you buy at the museum.
Look at this pretty foot I mean the

413
00:30:26.880 --> 00:30:30.960
cast we have at October Mountain is
you know, I don't know if we

414
00:30:30.000 --> 00:30:36.240
can get it here is you know, you got the heel back here where

415
00:30:36.279 --> 00:30:40.480
am I at? He here shows
up in the front up here, and

416
00:30:40.599 --> 00:30:42.480
then if you're looking at it,
you could see the where am I?

417
00:30:44.160 --> 00:30:47.359
You could see the toes, the
flexation. They're actually going up a hill.

418
00:30:47.559 --> 00:30:51.480
I think the toes are flaking in. So I mean it's you know,

419
00:30:51.559 --> 00:30:53.480
it's a cast. You know,
it's it doesn't do any justice.

420
00:30:55.079 --> 00:30:59.440
Uh Ever, from when you see
them and you can see all you can

421
00:30:59.480 --> 00:31:02.519
see the tone was digging in and
you can see the you know how it

422
00:31:02.640 --> 00:31:06.200
works, and there's clearly a heel
that you don't get a clear cast.

423
00:31:06.400 --> 00:31:11.119
That track is fifteen inches long six
inches wide, and it was a half

424
00:31:11.160 --> 00:31:17.640
a dozen yep. But they were
somewhere in the heavy grass this came.

425
00:31:18.000 --> 00:31:26.240
This came at a time in October
Mountain where we were watching a potential bigfoot

426
00:31:26.400 --> 00:31:33.400
walking on with fliers. There's there're
four or five fliers watching this bigfoot that's

427
00:31:33.440 --> 00:31:37.599
one hundred yards away. We went
back the following day and we range finding,

428
00:31:37.680 --> 00:31:41.039
so we're looking at something now that
we didn't know at the time was

429
00:31:41.039 --> 00:31:45.759
one hundred yards away in a fleer. So it's a red pixelated figure pacing

430
00:31:45.920 --> 00:31:49.680
back and forth. And it was
just pacing back and forth. So we

431
00:31:49.880 --> 00:31:55.640
go like ten fifteen feet, stop, go back, go out twenty feet,

432
00:31:55.880 --> 00:31:59.759
go back, go out thirty feet. And it did this all the

433
00:31:59.799 --> 00:32:04.519
way to about one hundred feet,
is pacing back and forth, got off,

434
00:32:05.559 --> 00:32:08.039
it jumped down, headed to the
tree line, and disappeared. That

435
00:32:08.200 --> 00:32:15.119
was it. That was it.
Well, we think it was pacing.

436
00:32:15.240 --> 00:32:17.920
I think it was trying to figure
out what we were doing over on the

437
00:32:19.000 --> 00:32:23.920
other side. Yeah. I think
generally when you're pacing, it's probably agitated.

438
00:32:24.759 --> 00:32:28.000
It's all of a sudden, what
do I do? And there's this

439
00:32:28.200 --> 00:32:31.480
there over here? And I don't
know exactly, maybe it was. If

440
00:32:31.519 --> 00:32:35.960
it was it was pacing, then
then it was probably saying, oh man,

441
00:32:36.400 --> 00:32:37.799
what am I gonna do? I
got caught out anywhere I go?

442
00:32:37.920 --> 00:32:40.319
Which way do I go? You
know? I didn't know what to do.

443
00:32:40.480 --> 00:32:45.480
And there were about twelve to fifteen
of us over on the other side,

444
00:32:45.519 --> 00:32:49.359
and we were kind of spread out
along the shoreline. So in the

445
00:32:49.480 --> 00:32:53.480
process and we're watching this thing,
one of our buddies, Chuck, says,

446
00:32:53.559 --> 00:32:58.039
hey, do you smell that?
And and so he pulls Eric aside,

447
00:32:58.160 --> 00:33:01.599
Dave McCulla, myself, we were
all standing there and we could literally

448
00:33:01.759 --> 00:33:07.480
smell the first time we ever associated
an odor with a potential bigfoot, and

449
00:33:07.799 --> 00:33:13.119
and it was it was your typical
I had a mutt when when they asked

450
00:33:13.160 --> 00:33:19.039
me, had bears, beard,
musky, wild animal? I don't know.

451
00:33:19.240 --> 00:33:22.000
Maybe some I don't know, but
too much farther than that. But

452
00:33:22.119 --> 00:33:27.599
it was something there that you never
had there before, you know, and

453
00:33:27.880 --> 00:33:31.559
uh, you could definitely you saw
it and you could smell it, yeah,

454
00:33:31.839 --> 00:33:36.720
you know. And there were too
many people there that that that that

455
00:33:36.920 --> 00:33:38.759
saw it and smelled it. Yeah. We were literally all watching it and

456
00:33:39.000 --> 00:33:42.920
we're saying, hey, did anybody
get any video? Because these players have

457
00:33:43.079 --> 00:33:45.119
videos, and it was like,
you know, bluck fever, nobody's getting

458
00:33:45.200 --> 00:33:47.720
video. One of us hit the
video. We got like a couple of

459
00:33:47.799 --> 00:33:52.359
seconds of it at the end.
It was like, yeah, it was

460
00:33:52.480 --> 00:33:55.680
nuts. Yep. Literally it happened. It happened. It just happens,

461
00:33:57.000 --> 00:34:00.519
you know, it happens that fast
that you don't even think unfortunately at the

462
00:34:00.599 --> 00:34:06.960
time. But you brought up the
smell and that's, you know, something

463
00:34:07.000 --> 00:34:12.400
that I've experienced myself, and you
hear people describe it like you guys are

464
00:34:12.440 --> 00:34:16.119
saying kind of a wet musky smell. You know, people often say wet

465
00:34:16.280 --> 00:34:23.440
dog. Yeah. I think that
people are telling you things that are similar

466
00:34:23.480 --> 00:34:27.159
to what it is, but at
the same time, it's different than those

467
00:34:27.199 --> 00:34:30.599
smells a little bit. Yep.
Right, Yeah, what are your thoughts

468
00:34:30.639 --> 00:34:34.119
on that? Do you think it's
just the way they smell? Do you

469
00:34:34.159 --> 00:34:38.360
think it's like an actual chemical release
of some kind? It's very pot I

470
00:34:38.400 --> 00:34:43.480
mean, are you a hunter I
used to be. I grew up in

471
00:34:43.519 --> 00:34:47.079
an outdoors family, hunting and fishing. Well, if you bring in a

472
00:34:47.159 --> 00:34:51.440
wet a bear or a bear,
a deer, or something like that,

473
00:34:51.679 --> 00:34:53.519
large game, even some of these
smaller ones that you know, they're not

474
00:34:53.679 --> 00:34:59.000
running around showering, so they've got
this really musky smell to them, right,

475
00:34:59.679 --> 00:35:04.960
I think I think when people get
the uh. I used to have

476
00:35:05.039 --> 00:35:07.239
a dog that would run up to
the farm and roll around in crap,

477
00:35:07.519 --> 00:35:12.199
horse crap and come back to my
house. And he came back and he's

478
00:35:12.239 --> 00:35:16.960
stunk. Right, I'm thinking,
what if it was kyokes that ran around

479
00:35:19.199 --> 00:35:23.400
after a kill and it's in this
elk carcass or a deer or black whatever

480
00:35:23.519 --> 00:35:27.800
it is. It's dead and it's
rotting, and these things are rubbing in

481
00:35:27.880 --> 00:35:30.840
it, you know, like a
impact some of these submissive dogs will do.

482
00:35:31.519 --> 00:35:36.119
And they just rubbed it. And
so now you've got this smell that

483
00:35:36.239 --> 00:35:42.079
you can't associate with, and it's
you know, maybe that's what people smell

484
00:35:42.159 --> 00:35:45.840
as well. I mean, it's
a potential way to get that rotting,

485
00:35:45.000 --> 00:35:51.360
fleshy odor out there. But you
wanted to know whether or not why why

486
00:35:51.559 --> 00:35:53.920
the oder was there? Or do
they omit the odor? Is that what

487
00:35:54.079 --> 00:35:57.840
you were asking? Yeah, just
your thoughts. Do you think it's just

488
00:35:58.280 --> 00:36:00.880
their natural smell all the time,
or do you think it's like a pheromone

489
00:36:00.920 --> 00:36:06.119
release of some kind that we're smelling. It could be it could be that

490
00:36:07.159 --> 00:36:12.360
it's possible, sort of like like
a skunk. Ye scare it. Now

491
00:36:12.440 --> 00:36:16.760
it's trying to hide itself or get
away. You know, it gets all

492
00:36:16.800 --> 00:36:20.760
of a sudden, there's a dozen
people one hundred yards away from it.

493
00:36:20.960 --> 00:36:23.679
It's you know, it's kind of
freaking out. It's stressing, it's emitting,

494
00:36:23.800 --> 00:36:28.840
you know, it's probably sweating.
It could be very, very possible

495
00:36:28.880 --> 00:36:34.400
that that's the reaction. It could
be like a fight or flight reaction to

496
00:36:34.519 --> 00:36:38.039
this thing, and it emits without
a doubt. So yeah, it's all

497
00:36:38.079 --> 00:36:43.360
good theory. It's all possible.
I figure, if it can happen in

498
00:36:43.400 --> 00:36:45.599
the in the natural world, there's
no reason why he can't do it or

499
00:36:45.679 --> 00:36:51.079
she, you know, it can't
do it. So let's talk about some

500
00:36:51.239 --> 00:36:54.360
of your encounters, some of your
experiences. What what are some of the

501
00:36:54.440 --> 00:37:00.840
more memorable events you've had while outsquatching? Well, those are pretty good.

502
00:37:02.320 --> 00:37:07.880
There's all kinds of knocks and things
like that. Did you get some of

503
00:37:07.920 --> 00:37:12.239
the photos I had sent you on? Yeah, yeah, all right.

504
00:37:12.960 --> 00:37:15.480
I don't know if you can link
them in later, but if you can.

505
00:37:15.039 --> 00:37:22.960
The tree twists, that was a
very very unique experience. That weekend

506
00:37:23.239 --> 00:37:29.880
we had gone out, another group
of us had gone out and experienced.

507
00:37:30.639 --> 00:37:35.559
We went to a place called Sanderson
Brook Falls up in Blamford, mass and

508
00:37:36.320 --> 00:37:40.639
it's just up the road for me, and we were there with about twelve

509
00:37:40.679 --> 00:37:45.559
people. Yeah, yeah, we
were up there with about twelve people.

510
00:37:46.039 --> 00:37:51.760
And yeah, we walked up to
where we came to a spot where it

511
00:37:51.960 --> 00:37:54.320
was even with the waterfall, but
we were on a dirt road and it

512
00:37:54.480 --> 00:37:59.079
was like an opening. If people
are familiar with the area. It's just

513
00:37:59.159 --> 00:38:02.360
past the Sanders Brook Falls trail where
it breaks off. We went up past

514
00:38:02.440 --> 00:38:07.440
around it and there's a clearing up
ahead, so we had a great shot

515
00:38:07.480 --> 00:38:12.400
of the waterfalls behind us. And
we're sitting on a dirt road. So

516
00:38:12.519 --> 00:38:15.159
there's a waterfall on a cliff on
one side and a cliff on the other

517
00:38:15.360 --> 00:38:20.400
side. So we're literally in this
little road that's cut out of the cliff.

518
00:38:20.400 --> 00:38:24.000
We're sitting on this steep embankments either
side, just kind of setting where

519
00:38:24.039 --> 00:38:30.159
we were at. And his back
is to the guardrail where we're looking over

520
00:38:30.280 --> 00:38:32.760
at the waterfall, so there's nothing
behind him except the steep hill. That's

521
00:38:32.840 --> 00:38:36.519
it. So that's where we made
it to. That's as far as you

522
00:38:36.639 --> 00:38:39.679
made it. There was five of
us at this actually, well, there

523
00:38:39.760 --> 00:38:43.880
was five of us sitting there,
and then there was some good friends.

524
00:38:44.599 --> 00:38:47.280
Kevin Romero, he was up further. Kevin Romero, he was up doing

525
00:38:47.800 --> 00:38:51.800
and his wife. Yeah, they
were recording. He's fantastic. Well,

526
00:38:51.920 --> 00:38:55.320
he was fantastic doing some recording.
Every time he went out, he was

527
00:38:55.400 --> 00:39:00.599
recording. He's hours and hours and
hours of this stuff. Less Kevin,

528
00:39:00.679 --> 00:39:04.719
But anyways, he was there and
he was probably fifty yards up from us

529
00:39:04.880 --> 00:39:09.079
or so, and he was recording
everything that was happening. We're sitting there,

530
00:39:09.119 --> 00:39:15.000
we're just you know, I was
probably midnight. Yeah, there being

531
00:39:15.119 --> 00:39:17.039
quiet, you know, there's casual
conversation, you know, sitting there,

532
00:39:17.119 --> 00:39:22.079
booming, wrapping, talking, and
then all of a sudden, this this

533
00:39:22.320 --> 00:39:25.960
thing. I was standing with my
with my back to to the ravine,

534
00:39:27.880 --> 00:39:34.800
and this thing sounded I don't know, it sounded like a rock, but

535
00:39:34.960 --> 00:39:37.280
this thing was a month. If
it was a rock, it would have

536
00:39:37.360 --> 00:39:40.599
been big, five hundred pounds if
not more. It sounded like it hit

537
00:39:40.719 --> 00:39:47.320
the side of the ravine right underneath
me. But it was there was nothing

538
00:39:47.440 --> 00:39:51.719
there. Yeah, there was no
rock. It didn't roll down the hill,

539
00:39:52.280 --> 00:39:58.519
there were no leaves moved, there
was nothing, and so so everybody

540
00:39:58.679 --> 00:40:00.480
was like, what was that?
We believe No, it's in for sund

541
00:40:00.880 --> 00:40:06.320
And it couldn't have been like five
minutes after that. Four minutes after that.

542
00:40:07.360 --> 00:40:10.840
Yeah, there was a rock coming
down the mountain right at us.

543
00:40:12.559 --> 00:40:15.280
And it sounded like a good side
of rock. And as it's rolling too

544
00:40:15.480 --> 00:40:17.840
was on the ground and he's trying
to get up. He's going, what

545
00:40:19.039 --> 00:40:22.000
the hell's going on? It went, you know, he's understanding, dude.

546
00:40:22.039 --> 00:40:25.199
I thought this was a freaking boulder
coming down through the mountain. This

547
00:40:25.320 --> 00:40:29.559
is a steep boulder or a steep
mountain, and this is a rock that

548
00:40:29.760 --> 00:40:31.920
was rolling down on the rock for
a couple of dollars. I'm on my

549
00:40:32.159 --> 00:40:37.760
plot with my elbows on the fire
road and I'm sketching my feet up to

550
00:40:37.880 --> 00:40:39.360
try to get up until I can
get out of the way. That's how

551
00:40:39.559 --> 00:40:43.840
serious this is. This is actually
happening, and I think, and this

552
00:40:43.960 --> 00:40:47.599
is coming down the woods and then
it just stopped. It just stopped.

553
00:40:47.639 --> 00:40:51.199
It was crazy. I couldn't get
up fast enough to get out of the

554
00:40:51.239 --> 00:40:54.079
way. I couldn't get up fast
enough. It was pretty wild. But

555
00:40:55.800 --> 00:41:00.519
I don't know what the sound that
came from behind us. It had to

556
00:41:00.559 --> 00:41:04.159
be in for some because there was
nothing there. Yeah, but it hit

557
00:41:04.400 --> 00:41:07.360
so hard it felt like something hit
right behind you and there was there was

558
00:41:07.920 --> 00:41:13.280
and there were three other people there. Yeah, I'm not gonna put out

559
00:41:13.320 --> 00:41:15.519
their name. It was crazy.
They know who they are that they were

560
00:41:15.599 --> 00:41:19.920
there, Bobby Jean, you know, we they you know they were there.

561
00:41:20.000 --> 00:41:22.960
The people that were there knew what
happened. And there was nothing there,

562
00:41:23.639 --> 00:41:27.239
you know. I mean if anything
were to hit there, it would

563
00:41:27.239 --> 00:41:30.559
have absolutely rolled down the hill because
the angle was just incredible. The thing

564
00:41:30.599 --> 00:41:36.480
that landed behind Eric the first rock
and it wasn't anything. It hit the

565
00:41:36.599 --> 00:41:39.400
rock. It hit the ground with
such a vengeance and it shook the ground.

566
00:41:39.519 --> 00:41:43.440
Yeah, you felt it. So
we felt it. You know,

567
00:41:43.519 --> 00:41:47.880
we looked, we didn't see anything. And my wife and I what started

568
00:41:47.960 --> 00:41:52.639
this was Uh so we had this
experience. Everything kind of quieted down.

569
00:41:52.800 --> 00:41:55.599
Kevin says, I've got it on
recorder, got it on the recorder.

570
00:41:57.400 --> 00:42:00.960
We go back. There was some
guys who I call it Team Canada with

571
00:42:00.119 --> 00:42:05.760
us. Uh. It was also
a paranormal investigator out of Canada. Uh

572
00:42:06.159 --> 00:42:07.880
yeah, and without permission, I'm
not going to drop all those names,

573
00:42:07.960 --> 00:42:10.440
but Anyways, they were up there
and they were having a good time.

574
00:42:12.039 --> 00:42:15.360
Uh they had they experienced some wild
silence as well, and they were a

575
00:42:15.440 --> 00:42:17.880
little different location, but it was
a fairly large group, so there's a

576
00:42:17.960 --> 00:42:24.239
lot of activity. I brought my
wife up there the following day and we

577
00:42:24.360 --> 00:42:30.639
went We went up to the same
area where we had this potential rock rolling

578
00:42:30.760 --> 00:42:35.719
down the hill and where where this
other rock had hit the wall behind Eric.

579
00:42:35.719 --> 00:42:37.400
It was literally it's a wall.
I mean, I mean, it's

580
00:42:37.400 --> 00:42:42.719
a steep just back to a waterface. It's crazy. It would have left

581
00:42:42.760 --> 00:42:46.400
them. It should have left a
mark and or rolled down the hill,

582
00:42:46.599 --> 00:42:51.519
and it did neither. It was
just flat grass growing. Nothing was moved,

583
00:42:51.639 --> 00:42:53.440
not old leaves, know nothing,
but it was enough to shape the

584
00:42:53.519 --> 00:42:58.719
ground. It was it was and
all of us were like, what this

585
00:42:59.079 --> 00:43:01.559
actually happened? And we sat back, wanted another five minutes and the Hada's

586
00:43:01.559 --> 00:43:05.480
boulder rolling down the hill. It
was stupid. I don't know what it

587
00:43:05.599 --> 00:43:10.199
was happening, but yeah, that's
that's that's gospel. That's the investigation part.

588
00:43:10.280 --> 00:43:15.880
So I go back with my wife
Kim the next day and she's she

589
00:43:16.679 --> 00:43:20.360
she's definitely one air and can't here
out of the other, and it's some

590
00:43:20.480 --> 00:43:23.079
of it's selected, some of it, but but most of us. She's

591
00:43:23.199 --> 00:43:27.360
she is, she's definitely one air, and so she couldn't hear. We're

592
00:43:27.400 --> 00:43:30.559
walking along and I'm telling her,
Kim, do you hear this way?

593
00:43:30.639 --> 00:43:32.920
She couldn't hear it. But there
was, you know, this what I

594
00:43:34.039 --> 00:43:37.440
believe. We were being escorted out
of the woods, and there was a

595
00:43:37.400 --> 00:43:42.159
tree shaken. Again. It didn't
sound like big trees like back in New

596
00:43:42.239 --> 00:43:46.559
York. This was saplings things like
that. And this is a really really

597
00:43:46.719 --> 00:43:53.519
steep rugged area. It's stone and
it's steep. It's it's sixty seventy degree

598
00:43:54.199 --> 00:43:58.639
you know, inclines. This is
in areas. This is really steep area.

599
00:44:00.039 --> 00:44:02.320
So it's not something you're gonna walk
around and do it. But this

600
00:44:02.519 --> 00:44:09.119
thing, whatever was escorted us out
probably a good or I guess it's maybe

601
00:44:09.159 --> 00:44:13.679
a mile in so three quarters of
a mile. We felt like we were

602
00:44:13.800 --> 00:44:16.000
escorted out. I did. So
I'm just tapping my wife on the short

603
00:44:16.079 --> 00:44:19.599
Hey, let's get out, let's
get out. We're walking out, and

604
00:44:19.880 --> 00:44:23.159
you could hear it shadowing us up
in the woods, making noise like aggravation,

605
00:44:23.679 --> 00:44:29.800
not really vocal, just rustling through
the woods, just kind of off

606
00:44:29.880 --> 00:44:32.559
on the side following us, and
we get back to what we call the

607
00:44:32.639 --> 00:44:36.960
Singing Bridge. There was a wire
bridge kind of thing. We crossed the

608
00:44:37.000 --> 00:44:39.480
bridge, get over to the where
a parking lot was, and that was

609
00:44:39.519 --> 00:44:44.960
the extent of it. We got
in the car and left, called Eric

610
00:44:45.039 --> 00:44:46.400
said, hey, we got to
go back. We got to go back.

611
00:44:46.880 --> 00:44:52.679
And so we go back and go
up into the areas. We wanted

612
00:44:52.679 --> 00:44:55.719
to find out first where was the
rock that fell or was it a tree

613
00:44:55.800 --> 00:44:59.559
that fell. There's gotta be some
evidence. So we went up in the

614
00:44:59.639 --> 00:45:06.639
daylight the following day and and couldn't
find anything that gave us any resemblance of

615
00:45:07.000 --> 00:45:09.119
this large rock rolling down the hill. And dude, I'm telling you,

616
00:45:13.639 --> 00:45:16.760
there was this rock coming down the
hill. But it never hit it never

617
00:45:16.920 --> 00:45:21.119
showed up. It never We didn't
find a rock, you know, stopped

618
00:45:21.159 --> 00:45:22.960
against the tree, you know,
because we said, well, it's a

619
00:45:22.960 --> 00:45:27.239
sudden stop. Maybe it hit a
tree, you know, and there was

620
00:45:27.320 --> 00:45:30.400
that We didn't. We didn't.
We scoured the hillside. We could not

621
00:45:30.559 --> 00:45:35.559
find anything in what we thought the
area. We couldn't find anything. And

622
00:45:35.840 --> 00:45:39.360
and then we got into one area
where it's trashed and broken up, and

623
00:45:39.480 --> 00:45:45.599
we found this one, uh particular
stick that we actually cut out of the

624
00:45:45.679 --> 00:45:50.519
woods and took it back with us. And that's that full twist stick board.

625
00:45:51.639 --> 00:45:58.079
That's what we had grabbed. That's
clear twisted. I ye, there's

626
00:45:58.159 --> 00:46:04.519
no that wasn't when that did not
happen naturally. No, And you know,

627
00:46:04.679 --> 00:46:07.159
we're there's there's a lot to be
said about tree structures and things like

628
00:46:07.280 --> 00:46:12.960
that. I don't know enough about
it to pick sides and say yay or

629
00:46:13.039 --> 00:46:16.000
nay. All I could tell you
is that, in particular, with the

630
00:46:16.119 --> 00:46:22.519
context of the story, was pretty
remarkable for me to get that kind of

631
00:46:22.599 --> 00:46:25.559
physical evidence. There was no tracks. There was you know, there was

632
00:46:25.760 --> 00:46:29.960
places where it was probably you know, stuffed up, but there was no

633
00:46:30.199 --> 00:46:32.280
tracks. You couldn't know. It
was like it was like uh, walks,

634
00:46:34.039 --> 00:46:37.000
moss taking off of the rock,
slide, you know, foot slide

635
00:46:37.039 --> 00:46:39.320
on the rock loss, nothing you
could catch stuff that kept us excited.

636
00:46:39.519 --> 00:46:42.960
You know, oh yeah, look
at this over here. You know what

637
00:46:43.079 --> 00:46:45.760
the heck gets up there? You
know you can see fresh tracks ripping the

638
00:46:45.880 --> 00:46:49.039
moss off the rock. You know, it's sort of like, you know,

639
00:46:49.360 --> 00:46:51.920
I wanted to watch your deer walk
through the woods and say the same

640
00:46:52.000 --> 00:46:54.599
thing. So when we got to
that, that was I just took out

641
00:46:54.639 --> 00:46:59.199
the this I have a little survival, which that was pretty cool. Cut

642
00:46:59.280 --> 00:47:02.280
that bad boy it out and that's
why I have it today. Yeah,

643
00:47:02.760 --> 00:47:08.599
that that was a very unique you
know, things like tree twists breaks,

644
00:47:08.639 --> 00:47:12.480
things like that. There's there's a
lot of reasons. And I can show

645
00:47:12.480 --> 00:47:17.440
you hundreds hundreds of birch trees that
are bent over and nodded. Now they've

646
00:47:17.480 --> 00:47:21.840
been that way for two years.
How do you get that way? There

647
00:47:21.920 --> 00:47:24.119
was a thirty inch snow storm,
three feet of snow. We had two

648
00:47:24.199 --> 00:47:30.599
inches three inches of rain. H
it froze those trees were they just bent

649
00:47:30.760 --> 00:47:36.239
right over and they crew that way
till spring. Where come springtime, all

650
00:47:36.320 --> 00:47:40.360
those branches that were bent over are
like this giant dreadlock. They're just woven

651
00:47:40.440 --> 00:47:45.960
into each other. So they literally
have pulled and holding themselves down. Uh,

652
00:47:46.639 --> 00:47:51.559
just just because of that sheer weight. It's literally bent the trees and

653
00:47:51.599 --> 00:47:55.079
they're growing and they're going on three
years now almost. And and some of

654
00:47:55.119 --> 00:48:00.960
the people that have this issue with
with birch in particular, or it's prevag

655
00:48:00.079 --> 00:48:05.519
just because it's it's soft or something. Yeah, stretches for sunlight. Blah

656
00:48:05.519 --> 00:48:07.559
blah blah. There's a whole other
naturalist story I can go into. But

657
00:48:08.320 --> 00:48:12.599
it bends over these branches, get
all mounted up, and next thing you

658
00:48:12.679 --> 00:48:16.840
know, you've got this drove five
acres big of all these weird bent trees.

659
00:48:16.840 --> 00:48:20.519
And it's like, twenty years from
now, what is that going to

660
00:48:20.559 --> 00:48:25.639
look like? You know that's going
to be incredible. So you get some

661
00:48:25.719 --> 00:48:30.960
weird stuff. So that's what that's. Uh, that was one of the

662
00:48:30.119 --> 00:48:36.719
pretty remarkable ones because it included my
wife as well. I wanted to ask

663
00:48:36.800 --> 00:48:43.360
you. In your original email you
mentioned a possible juvenile encounter where you casted

664
00:48:43.440 --> 00:48:46.000
some tracks. Could you talk about
that a bit? Yeah, I believe

665
00:48:46.079 --> 00:48:51.880
I gave you a shot of that
as well. That's the one with the

666
00:48:51.960 --> 00:48:57.960
ruler. I don't know which ones
I sent you. The juvenile that's that's

667
00:48:58.000 --> 00:49:00.920
another good story. Why don't you
tell that was a great story? Actually?

668
00:49:00.239 --> 00:49:06.800
Yeah, it was a labor day
weekend, what was it d eighteen

669
00:49:06.920 --> 00:49:08.920
twenty and the back of that day
it was twenty two, twenty two,

670
00:49:09.119 --> 00:49:14.239
Labor Day weekend four and all it
did was rain. We had rain for

671
00:49:14.360 --> 00:49:16.519
like four days five days, and
we just said, come on, let's

672
00:49:17.039 --> 00:49:22.000
let's take a ride. We were
gonna go fishing. So we went to

673
00:49:22.079 --> 00:49:27.000
a couple of spots and for some
reason we didn't we didn't stop there.

674
00:49:27.119 --> 00:49:29.920
Somebody was there or whatever. So
we said, you know what, we're

675
00:49:29.960 --> 00:49:34.039
already halfway there. Let's go over
to a place that we go and we

676
00:49:34.199 --> 00:49:37.960
research all the time. That's where
I had a class A at where I

677
00:49:37.000 --> 00:49:39.960
had a visual at it. So
we turned around and we said, yea,

678
00:49:39.960 --> 00:49:43.880
all right, So we drove over
there. This is in Savoy State

679
00:49:43.960 --> 00:49:47.719
fronts up in western mass so we
stayed for us. We ended up driving

680
00:49:47.800 --> 00:49:51.599
over there and it was raining.
We drive into the woods, we can

681
00:49:51.679 --> 00:49:54.760
get up and parked the car and
we we get out. We're going across

682
00:49:55.320 --> 00:50:02.880
the stream and we start going up
around the first curve and we can start

683
00:50:02.920 --> 00:50:12.079
hearing. It sounded like like little
knocks or tapping happened, and uh so

684
00:50:12.400 --> 00:50:15.360
we just kind of looked at each
other and we said all right. But

685
00:50:15.519 --> 00:50:17.119
we were we were saying, okay, maybe it was the rain, maybe

686
00:50:17.159 --> 00:50:20.960
it was this, maybe it was
that. So we went up a little

687
00:50:21.000 --> 00:50:24.000
further, got up to about the
next curve, and then we heard things

688
00:50:24.119 --> 00:50:29.039
getting tossed at us now and we're
saying, okay, now, wait a

689
00:50:29.119 --> 00:50:31.320
minute. You know, the rain's
not going to be tossing nothing at us.

690
00:50:32.280 --> 00:50:36.440
So we just kind of looked at
each other and we're trying to we're

691
00:50:36.480 --> 00:50:38.960
trying to videotape this at the same
time, and it's raining, and there's

692
00:50:39.239 --> 00:50:43.079
if you've ever video taped off your
phone in the rain, you know what

693
00:50:43.199 --> 00:50:46.679
you know, So we could tell
you they were knocks and naps and this

694
00:50:46.760 --> 00:50:49.800
and that, but it sounded like
rain now, so you know, we

695
00:50:49.880 --> 00:50:53.199
had to scrap that whole thing.
But we kept going and we were headed

696
00:50:53.280 --> 00:50:57.239
up to the to the next curve, and next thing you know, the

697
00:50:57.360 --> 00:51:00.920
knocks got a little bit got a
little bit more, and things were getting

698
00:51:00.000 --> 00:51:04.639
thrown closer at us, and there
was a wolf and then there was a

699
00:51:04.719 --> 00:51:07.480
wolf. So we we we says, all right, we got let's go

700
00:51:07.639 --> 00:51:10.679
back here. We're gonna we're going
to think about this for a second.

701
00:51:10.920 --> 00:51:14.239
Back to the truck. So we
went all the way back to the truck.

702
00:51:14.480 --> 00:51:16.760
So we get back there and we're
sitting there and we're trying to discuss

703
00:51:16.840 --> 00:51:21.039
this, discuss it with each other
and say, okay, what just happened.

704
00:51:21.119 --> 00:51:24.599
You know. We said, all
right, he says, let's go

705
00:51:24.719 --> 00:51:29.360
back. We'll go back again,
and I kept telling him there's a mud

706
00:51:29.760 --> 00:51:34.559
puddle at the top, so if
there's anything, we'll hit the mud puddle.

707
00:51:35.280 --> 00:51:38.079
So we get walking back out there
again. We get up to the

708
00:51:38.159 --> 00:51:43.199
second curve and next thing, you
know, the same thing happens. We

709
00:51:43.280 --> 00:51:45.880
start getting things tossed at us.
Then we hear a couple of more wolves

710
00:51:46.440 --> 00:51:50.559
out. Then we said, okay, we're getting out of here. So

711
00:51:50.760 --> 00:51:53.639
we leave, getting the truck.
We take off and we we go to

712
00:51:53.760 --> 00:51:59.480
this diner over in Comington. We're
sitting there having having some neat We're talking

713
00:51:59.519 --> 00:52:01.880
about it. We're saying, oh
man, we gotta go back. I

714
00:52:01.920 --> 00:52:05.639
said, I gotta get to the
top, I says. I says,

715
00:52:06.159 --> 00:52:08.239
if anything's there, that's where I
had my visual, you know, and

716
00:52:08.400 --> 00:52:13.000
I had it in the rain.
So we says all right, So we

717
00:52:13.119 --> 00:52:15.840
talked ourselves into a lot of courage
to go back for a third time.

718
00:52:17.000 --> 00:52:21.360
So we drive all the way back, park the car, we get out

719
00:52:21.440 --> 00:52:24.159
and we take off and we just
we're just walking now. We're saying,

720
00:52:24.199 --> 00:52:29.519
no matter what, we just keep
going. So nothing happened. Nothing happened

721
00:52:29.519 --> 00:52:31.519
all the way up. We get
all the way to the top, and

722
00:52:31.639 --> 00:52:36.920
that's we come around. Tim comes
around behind me and all and he's looking

723
00:52:37.039 --> 00:52:40.519
at the mud puddle and there they
are. There's two footprints right there,

724
00:52:42.320 --> 00:52:46.239
and they were fresh footprints. This
is a puddle that's about four and a

725
00:52:46.280 --> 00:52:51.039
half feet long, three feet four
feet wide, full of water. Puddle

726
00:52:51.239 --> 00:52:54.760
full of water rain in four days
now and right where these training as we

727
00:52:55.039 --> 00:53:00.440
were doing it, right where the
footprints are. If you've ever stepped in

728
00:53:00.519 --> 00:53:04.599
the mud and you moved your foot, it's moist, but there's no water

729
00:53:04.760 --> 00:53:07.039
in it. It was fairly dry. So they we were we must have

730
00:53:07.119 --> 00:53:12.039
spooked them out of there, that's
what we believe. But it was raining.

731
00:53:12.320 --> 00:53:15.119
So we turned around and we said, well, we said we got

732
00:53:15.239 --> 00:53:17.800
to preserve these. So he grabbed
some birch bark and we covered them with

733
00:53:17.880 --> 00:53:22.360
birch bark. Birch, you know, kept it off. Maybe you know,

734
00:53:22.440 --> 00:53:28.239
it's the best thing. You use
what you got. Yeah, so

735
00:53:28.280 --> 00:53:30.679
we a tripod over it so an
animal wouldn't walk through it. But you

736
00:53:30.760 --> 00:53:32.760
know, so then we took off
and we said we'll come back in the

737
00:53:32.840 --> 00:53:37.239
morning. So we got out.
We were in the woods by six o'clock.

738
00:53:38.039 --> 00:53:43.880
We said, maybe if they're juveniles, maybe they're they'll sleepily and we

739
00:53:43.960 --> 00:53:47.719
can get up there and get this
thing. So we get all our stuff,

740
00:53:47.840 --> 00:53:52.119
we take off. We get up
there, and we had no problem.

741
00:53:52.159 --> 00:53:54.519
We were quiet to boogie. We
just got as fast as we could

742
00:53:54.639 --> 00:53:58.480
get up there. So we take
all of the birch bark off and the

743
00:53:58.599 --> 00:54:01.559
prints are still there. Oh,
They're unbelievable. Just a tad bit of

744
00:54:01.599 --> 00:54:06.280
water had seep back into the hills. So we turned around. I'm mixing

745
00:54:06.360 --> 00:54:10.159
up the plaster Paris and we put
it in there. We get it all,

746
00:54:10.679 --> 00:54:15.360
We get it all put out,
letting it harden. And I said,

747
00:54:15.360 --> 00:54:19.079
come on, we'll take a walk
over to where I had my class

748
00:54:19.239 --> 00:54:22.599
A, which is maybe fifty sixty
yards from where we were. Yeahow,

749
00:54:23.320 --> 00:54:27.960
So we walked into. Yeah,
there was a dozen people to God as

750
00:54:28.000 --> 00:54:31.239
well, well most of it.
We walked in and I stood on the

751
00:54:31.360 --> 00:54:36.960
exact same rock that I saw my
big foot at and we're standing and it

752
00:54:37.119 --> 00:54:42.679
is dead quiet, and it's been
about about ten minutes now. We were

753
00:54:42.800 --> 00:54:46.000
just talking real soft between us,
and then all of a sudden, about

754
00:54:46.039 --> 00:54:51.760
eighty yards away out in front of
us, the herd, a solid would

755
00:54:51.840 --> 00:54:58.320
knock Louisville slogan. It was one
and done and seconds later not the love

756
00:54:58.400 --> 00:55:02.760
test. We had been here later
there had to be four or four such

757
00:55:04.239 --> 00:55:08.079
different things stood up in front of
us and just started moving. No noise,

758
00:55:08.280 --> 00:55:13.199
no grunts, no browls. They
just stood up and started moving.

759
00:55:13.280 --> 00:55:17.119
Yeah, there was no vocal,
no vobilizing, but you could there was.

760
00:55:17.400 --> 00:55:20.239
They got up and they moved.
You could feel that, you know,

761
00:55:20.320 --> 00:55:23.480
you could hear the rustling under the
trees. We're in this area here.

762
00:55:23.960 --> 00:55:27.880
Uh, there was a lot of
uh, a lot of like maple

763
00:55:27.960 --> 00:55:30.639
trees and green stripe maple. So
there's a lot of shrub trees. So

764
00:55:30.719 --> 00:55:35.679
you really can't see it thick so
you can't see off into the woods.

765
00:55:35.719 --> 00:55:38.440
It's it's thick woods, and especially
in June. Nothing we are out,

766
00:55:38.920 --> 00:55:42.480
but uh, you could hear it, You could certainly hear it. And

767
00:55:42.599 --> 00:55:46.199
it was multiple directions, multiple things
were moving. So and with this is

768
00:55:46.400 --> 00:55:50.760
just moment. You know. The
day after we had just been chased out

769
00:55:50.760 --> 00:55:53.320
of the woods twice, you know, the third time was the charm.

770
00:55:53.400 --> 00:55:57.639
We went up to the top we
got you know, we were able to

771
00:55:57.719 --> 00:56:01.480
put the the birch bark on the
tracks. We came back the second day

772
00:56:01.519 --> 00:56:06.599
we were able to cast it.
We're sitting there at his same location.

773
00:56:06.760 --> 00:56:09.039
I didn't make that day. I
was fishing. I was I was guiding

774
00:56:09.079 --> 00:56:13.639
a fishing trip that day, so
I didn't have that. I wasn't there

775
00:56:13.679 --> 00:56:19.960
to share that classics experience. But
we went back the following day. No,

776
00:56:20.199 --> 00:56:24.039
we uh we we let's go back
to the juvenile track. All right,

777
00:56:24.159 --> 00:56:29.880
we're we're we're standing on the rock. We heard that would not right.

778
00:56:30.440 --> 00:56:32.480
Three or four things stood up in
front of us and just started moving

779
00:56:32.639 --> 00:56:36.280
moving. Wow. And Tim goes, let's get out of here. He

780
00:56:36.360 --> 00:56:37.960
says, let's grab our stuff and
go. He says it could be bears.

781
00:56:37.960 --> 00:56:40.360
And I was like, well wait
a minute. I said, I

782
00:56:40.400 --> 00:56:44.320
want to see. I said,
maybe there's something there. It was the

783
00:56:44.400 --> 00:56:47.719
reverse of this the New York story. He wanted to, you know,

784
00:56:47.800 --> 00:56:51.360
because I had an experience there.
And I was like, oh, come

785
00:56:51.400 --> 00:56:53.519
on, I'm thinking Sowwich cougs.
You don't want to mess around. But

786
00:56:53.639 --> 00:56:59.320
we turned around and we took off. We went over and we I dug

787
00:56:59.400 --> 00:57:02.760
the out the asked out of the
little mud that suck, wrapped them up

788
00:57:02.800 --> 00:57:07.159
and plastic put them in my backpack
and down the mountain we went. And

789
00:57:07.599 --> 00:57:12.480
now we have a couple of cats
for it. But that was an experience

790
00:57:12.559 --> 00:57:17.039
that was was that was crazy because
we got we got played with the first

791
00:57:17.119 --> 00:57:22.599
time. The second time in they
got a little agitated and they booted us

792
00:57:22.679 --> 00:57:28.039
out, meaning the rocks came down, the jubil wolfs became more aggressive.

793
00:57:28.480 --> 00:57:31.360
And the thing when we finally got
in there tapping, when we finally got

794
00:57:31.440 --> 00:57:35.719
in there to do that, we
must have took them off by surprise.

795
00:57:36.360 --> 00:57:40.079
They probably never thought we were going
to come back right we did, and

796
00:57:40.199 --> 00:57:43.840
that I think that's how we got
them. They were probably sleeping up in

797
00:57:43.920 --> 00:57:47.519
this undercover of thick brush and when
they got that wood knock boom, Yeah,

798
00:57:47.599 --> 00:57:52.280
that they did whatever was got up
and started leaving. What what was

799
00:57:52.360 --> 00:57:54.400
crazy is I was I was thinking
about letting out of Howl, and I

800
00:57:54.559 --> 00:58:00.599
was glad I didn't because that would
knock was it was crystal clear. There

801
00:58:00.719 --> 00:58:02.840
was no events or buts about it. You're in the middle of the woods.

802
00:58:04.239 --> 00:58:08.199
There's nothing else out there that's going
to do that, and all and

803
00:58:08.400 --> 00:58:12.719
after you heard it, they just
it just got up and started. It

804
00:58:12.840 --> 00:58:19.440
was crazy. So it wasn't far. They were within within one hundred yards,

805
00:58:20.079 --> 00:58:23.559
well within one hundred yards probably fifty
away, but the undergrowth is stick

806
00:58:23.679 --> 00:58:27.880
so you can't run see, you
know, there was you couldn't see anything

807
00:58:27.960 --> 00:58:30.599
really, yeah, you couldn't see
anything. And it was uh, there

808
00:58:30.679 --> 00:58:35.119
wasn't like brush moving or anything like
that. It was just like it's low

809
00:58:35.199 --> 00:58:38.440
rain and four days everything was wet. Everything was quiet, you know.

810
00:58:38.639 --> 00:58:42.519
So yeah, I mean you couldn't
even hear them walking, yeah, you

811
00:58:42.599 --> 00:58:45.000
know, because that's how quiet it
was. Everything was so in this mountain

812
00:58:45.039 --> 00:58:50.320
in particular, this area has a
history of bigfoot. And that's where I

813
00:58:50.360 --> 00:58:53.400
saw my class A. Couldn't have
been forty five yards away from from where

814
00:58:53.519 --> 00:58:58.320
that from where that incident happened.
Yeah, that's how that's That was the

815
00:58:58.960 --> 00:59:02.760
three two thousands, sixteen on that
one and I was with them, and

816
00:59:04.159 --> 00:59:06.880
I was with fifteen people when that
happened. Two of us saw it.

817
00:59:07.199 --> 00:59:13.320
Other people had multiple they heard whistles, they heard knocks, but they were

818
00:59:13.400 --> 00:59:16.280
multiple people that had things happen.
But two of us saw that. Yeah,

819
00:59:16.320 --> 00:59:20.639
that's the thing that was in the
exact same place that we got these

820
00:59:20.719 --> 00:59:23.719
juvenile of ones from. Yeah,
so that's how we got the juvenile ones.

821
00:59:24.519 --> 00:59:29.119
That was during labor day. I
want you to I want you to

822
00:59:29.199 --> 00:59:31.960
talk about your sighting, but real
fast, I wanted to ask you guys

823
00:59:32.039 --> 00:59:37.000
this. Do you think they're self
aware whenever it comes to their tracks?

824
00:59:37.079 --> 00:59:39.679
Do you think they try to hide
their tracks? You know, I've often

825
00:59:39.800 --> 00:59:44.440
wondered that myself, because a lot
of times you can find one, you

826
00:59:44.559 --> 00:59:47.239
may find two. But I don't
know, I think it just it is

827
00:59:47.360 --> 00:59:52.199
what it is. You happen to
get lucky. Yeah, you know,

828
00:59:52.360 --> 00:59:55.079
I don't want to go into that
wou thing where they go into another thing.

829
00:59:55.239 --> 01:00:01.239
But you know the orbs, you
know sometimes people association. Yeah they

830
01:00:01.280 --> 01:00:04.719
see them in the winter time,
but they only got two tracks. I'll

831
01:00:04.760 --> 01:00:08.239
come you know what happened to it? And we're we're the same, you

832
01:00:08.320 --> 01:00:13.519
know, we've we've had a number
of times where we can go and cast

833
01:00:14.079 --> 01:00:15.519
and I've got you know, half
a dozen casts in front of me.

834
01:00:16.159 --> 01:00:20.920
Uh, but I've never had a
trackway, no, really good. I've

835
01:00:20.960 --> 01:00:23.519
had you know, half a dozen
which was the best that we had was

836
01:00:23.559 --> 01:00:29.639
a half a dozen potential tracks,
and and that was the extent the northeast

837
01:00:29.920 --> 01:00:35.480
top. But you know you're gonna
maybe get a trackway along a riverbed maybe

838
01:00:35.639 --> 01:00:38.960
or through a farm if you're lucky, and if that's if the farmer even

839
01:00:39.039 --> 01:00:42.920
tells you about it, right,
you know, you know, you soft

840
01:00:43.000 --> 01:00:45.840
substrate stuff like that. And we've
never got to gravel because everything is hard

841
01:00:45.880 --> 01:00:50.119
on here. But not that,
not that we don't have trackways, because

842
01:00:51.039 --> 01:00:53.280
but to have really good ones you
get on the tine. For us,

843
01:00:53.360 --> 01:00:58.840
we've got track We've got tracks here
with deohits you know that's two three inches

844
01:00:58.920 --> 01:01:02.440
deep right there, you know,
yeah, I mean the one that I've

845
01:01:02.519 --> 01:01:06.719
got, the one that I saw
was seventh. The footprint was seventeen and

846
01:01:06.760 --> 01:01:09.920
a half by nine and a half
by four inches. Yep. I mean

847
01:01:09.960 --> 01:01:14.519
that's a big print. That's that's
a big print. Yeah, really,

848
01:01:14.599 --> 01:01:16.920
that's a big print. But we
you know, we went back that was

849
01:01:16.960 --> 01:01:22.960
it the following day and took those
casts. And so we walked up and

850
01:01:22.079 --> 01:01:27.000
mind you this this is you know, the juvenile one we were we shared

851
01:01:28.079 --> 01:01:31.280
both of us this one here.
I wasn't there. I was fishing on

852
01:01:31.440 --> 01:01:36.280
this particular story. So I wasn't
here. So we went back the following

853
01:01:36.440 --> 01:01:42.760
day. Now, the following day, we go up and he's bringing me

854
01:01:42.840 --> 01:01:45.519
into the area where they see it, and we've got our cameras on and

855
01:01:45.559 --> 01:01:49.000
we're doing all of our thing.
We got a recorder going, we got

856
01:01:49.039 --> 01:01:52.280
everything. We you know, we're
trying to do our due diligence and we're

857
01:01:52.360 --> 01:01:53.719
walking around. It's like, dude, I was right here and it was

858
01:01:53.880 --> 01:01:59.519
just right over there. And so
he's got we got the range finder and

859
01:01:59.760 --> 01:02:00.960
he's just go over there. I'll
tell you when to stop. So we

860
01:02:01.039 --> 01:02:05.599
did the whole thing of you know, measuring and the tape measure and the

861
01:02:05.639 --> 01:02:09.079
whole deal, and it turned out
to be I was forty yards away from

862
01:02:09.159 --> 01:02:15.079
him. So he's sitting there with
the range finder saying, okay, stop

863
01:02:15.159 --> 01:02:17.599
and we turned out to be forty
yards. And then I put my hand

864
01:02:17.679 --> 01:02:20.800
up, sad, how high?
And you said, keep going, keep

865
01:02:20.840 --> 01:02:22.559
going, And I had to take
my hat, put it on a stick

866
01:02:22.800 --> 01:02:28.320
and go. And it went to
about nine feet yep, nine feet.

867
01:02:29.199 --> 01:02:32.000
So with the cast that he has
and you know, almost four was deep

868
01:02:32.079 --> 01:02:37.119
in the grounds, as with the
width of that thing was as wide as

869
01:02:37.159 --> 01:02:38.639
a piece of plot you know,
another day it was raining, so the

870
01:02:38.719 --> 01:02:45.239
ground was soft. It was a
pine soft humans kind of top soil called

871
01:02:45.360 --> 01:02:47.800
duff. So you know, an
eight hundred pound one thousand pounds or nine

872
01:02:47.920 --> 01:02:52.000
hundred pound creature would certainly put in
a four inch track. And you know,

873
01:02:52.079 --> 01:02:58.719
we've got the initial the landing,
so it's a heel strike toe push

874
01:02:58.840 --> 01:03:02.639
off, and then i'm a following
step which was seven feet away away.

875
01:03:02.960 --> 01:03:07.000
You actually see where it landed on
the ball, and it's got the push

876
01:03:07.079 --> 01:03:10.559
off. You know, there were
toe marks on the roof, but they

877
01:03:10.559 --> 01:03:14.480
didn't come out because they were on
the roof. But you've got the push

878
01:03:14.559 --> 01:03:19.159
off and we cast it both.
Even though you couldn't tell it was a

879
01:03:19.239 --> 01:03:23.400
foot, you could see the depression
was the same weight that happened seven feet

880
01:03:23.480 --> 01:03:27.760
away that made this. So it's
basically you know, you're running on your

881
01:03:27.800 --> 01:03:30.360
toe at that point on the balls
to your feet on the front half and

882
01:03:30.679 --> 01:03:35.159
it was a push off, so
it was a heel step then a push

883
01:03:35.239 --> 01:03:37.960
off and it landed on the foot. So yeah, something the same weight

884
01:03:38.159 --> 01:03:44.159
made those steps. And how ironic
that the day before he just saw a

885
01:03:44.239 --> 01:03:50.039
nine foot bigfoot, so you know, and two people saw it, and

886
01:03:50.159 --> 01:03:53.880
there was a dozen or so they
had lesser I say lesser meaning they had

887
01:03:54.039 --> 01:04:00.239
books, had not whistle things like
that all during this experience. They just

888
01:04:00.360 --> 01:04:03.840
never had the opportunity to see it. Now, this experience was also kind

889
01:04:03.880 --> 01:04:10.079
of a GoPro And of course Bigfoot
wasn't on the on the video because the

890
01:04:10.119 --> 01:04:13.800
guy standing there had a tree right
in the middle. And so what you

891
01:04:14.039 --> 01:04:18.960
see is Eric and another guy almost
simultaneously forty fifty yards away from each other.

892
01:04:19.119 --> 01:04:24.400
They're not if you're watching a video, they're not looking at each other.

893
01:04:24.840 --> 01:04:28.360
There. You're in the woods.
You're walking to where you're watching,

894
01:04:28.440 --> 01:04:31.360
where your feet are going. We
were on two different angles. I couldn't

895
01:04:31.400 --> 01:04:35.039
see him. I mean I was
too far to the left and he was

896
01:04:35.079 --> 01:04:39.880
too far to my right. Up
behind it. Yeah, probably sixty yards

897
01:04:39.920 --> 01:04:43.039
apart. And all of a sudden, you know, you can see Eric

898
01:04:43.119 --> 01:04:46.280
in an orange raypo It's just he's
kind of like this, and then he's

899
01:04:46.400 --> 01:04:50.960
like that, and and that was
it. That was it. So yeah,

900
01:04:50.960 --> 01:04:56.440
I'll of you explained that. Yuh, Well, what else did you

901
01:04:56.519 --> 01:05:00.239
want to know? Well, I
just wanted to hear about the side in

902
01:05:00.360 --> 01:05:03.079
itself, Like all these people there. I assume it was on an actual

903
01:05:03.159 --> 01:05:06.519
big foot outing. Yes, it
was. It was on a big foot

904
01:05:06.519 --> 01:05:11.920
out. Why were you there and
how did it all go down? Well,

905
01:05:12.679 --> 01:05:15.480
we were there because it's an act. It's always been an active place

906
01:05:15.599 --> 01:05:21.760
and one of the gentlemen that work
was with us had an experience there back

907
01:05:21.800 --> 01:05:26.400
when he was twenty twenty one when
he was a ranger, and the history

908
01:05:26.440 --> 01:05:30.800
of the area hunters, it goes
back to there's always been a eighteen hundreds.

909
01:05:31.280 --> 01:05:34.079
That was one of the restons.
That was one of the reasons why

910
01:05:34.199 --> 01:05:39.000
we went there. It actually turned
out to be a last resort because we

911
01:05:39.079 --> 01:05:42.920
were doing an expedition. But it
was the first place we went was raining

912
01:05:43.000 --> 01:05:45.159
too hard. I mean it was
raining, and then it kind of slowed

913
01:05:45.199 --> 01:05:49.239
down, so he said, well, let's go try one more place.

914
01:05:49.320 --> 01:05:53.039
So we did, and there was
enough room for everybody to pull off the

915
01:05:53.159 --> 01:05:56.880
road and park. So that's how
we got in there. And then we

916
01:05:56.960 --> 01:06:00.119
had walked in and we had walked
up to this balanced rock. There's two

917
01:06:00.199 --> 01:06:03.960
guys that always liked the lag behind
because they liked to watch the group,

918
01:06:04.400 --> 01:06:11.239
to see if the group is being
watched, and there was a gentleman and

919
01:06:11.360 --> 01:06:15.599
his son were up in front who
had a grow pro, and there was

920
01:06:15.159 --> 01:06:20.000
ten of us in the middle somewhere
like that. We're walking along and we

921
01:06:20.079 --> 01:06:24.280
got up to balance rock and all
of a sudden, right where the mud

922
01:06:24.320 --> 01:06:28.719
puddle is, we stopped and the
two gentlemen that were behind us came up

923
01:06:28.760 --> 01:06:31.920
and says, hey, we just
got whistles back here. Couldn't have been

924
01:06:32.000 --> 01:06:35.559
a couple of seconds later the the
guy up in the front sent his kid

925
01:06:35.679 --> 01:06:41.079
back and they said, hey,
hey, we've got knocks. So now

926
01:06:41.119 --> 01:06:45.039
we've got whistles behind us, knock
in front of us. And we walked

927
01:06:45.119 --> 01:06:46.840
into the woods. So we kind
of walked in. Fifteen people walked in

928
01:06:46.960 --> 01:06:50.719
and kind of they kind of spread
out. So we're on a forty five

929
01:06:50.800 --> 01:06:57.519
were we went in about twenty thirty
yards and I was standing on that rock

930
01:06:57.960 --> 01:07:00.480
and it was still it was still
raining. There's still you know, the

931
01:07:00.599 --> 01:07:03.599
rain was coming off the leaves and
everything else, and everything was still quiet.

932
01:07:04.639 --> 01:07:08.360
But the guy was in there and
he was he was had to go

933
01:07:08.559 --> 01:07:12.920
pro and he was videotaping everything,
and he kind of walked off to my

934
01:07:13.760 --> 01:07:15.760
after he was standing with me.
He kind of walked off to the left,

935
01:07:16.719 --> 01:07:20.519
and I'm standing there and I and
I'm the hunter. So I says,

936
01:07:20.599 --> 01:07:23.599
jeez, if there was something out
there, how am I going to

937
01:07:23.639 --> 01:07:25.480
see it? I said, well, I'm going to squat. I'm going

938
01:07:25.519 --> 01:07:28.880
to bend over and see if I
can see any legs or any movement.

939
01:07:29.400 --> 01:07:32.480
And I'm in an orange rain jacket. Everybody else is in dark green or

940
01:07:32.559 --> 01:07:38.719
blue. So I stuck out and
so I kind of bent down. I

941
01:07:38.760 --> 01:07:40.920
squatted him, and I said,
geez, I said, what is that?

942
01:07:41.320 --> 01:07:44.800
I said, what is it?
What's that doing there? It's black,

943
01:07:44.920 --> 01:07:47.679
It's big black thing. So I
kind of I kind of stood up,

944
01:07:47.719 --> 01:07:50.800
and I'm looking at it and I
and I tilted myself like I was

945
01:07:50.880 --> 01:07:59.159
trying to peek around the tree,
and so this thing bent over and it

946
01:07:59.360 --> 01:08:02.559
was doing it midicked me and I
went what. So then I stood up

947
01:08:02.559 --> 01:08:05.719
and went it stood up. That's
when I realized it was a big There

948
01:08:05.760 --> 01:08:08.760
were to be a big foot.
What else was going to do that?

949
01:08:09.880 --> 01:08:14.079
So I turned around and I just
started running towards it, and at the

950
01:08:14.119 --> 01:08:18.239
same time, on pointing, the
gentleman that that was to my right saw

951
01:08:18.319 --> 01:08:23.359
it. At the same time he
saw the legs I saw from the waist

952
01:08:23.479 --> 01:08:27.560
uff and there was a tree laying
down and that's why he only saw the

953
01:08:27.680 --> 01:08:30.800
legs. I was on the other
side, higher up, and I could

954
01:08:30.800 --> 01:08:35.680
see the upper half. But we
ran into the into this go pro frame

955
01:08:35.760 --> 01:08:42.760
at the same time, two different
angles. It was crazy, and and

956
01:08:42.880 --> 01:08:45.279
then we ran through it and we
were like, after we got there,

957
01:08:45.319 --> 01:08:48.319
we went, what did we just
do? You know? You know,

958
01:08:48.399 --> 01:08:53.399
why did we even run up there? It was crazy. But everybody else

959
01:08:53.520 --> 01:08:57.119
came in and and they're looking around, and we're looking for things, you

960
01:08:57.159 --> 01:09:00.720
know, we couldn't see anything.
The two gentlemen that were behind us came

961
01:09:00.840 --> 01:09:04.720
down the road, which in the
direction that this thing ran out, and

962
01:09:04.880 --> 01:09:11.520
they never saw. And they couldn't
have been fifty sixty yards away, and

963
01:09:11.680 --> 01:09:15.560
it fet the same road. Yeah, nine feet tall, four feet wide

964
01:09:15.600 --> 01:09:19.720
at least, and they never saw. It was crazy. And we got

965
01:09:19.800 --> 01:09:25.840
two prints out of that the following
day. The following day, we showed

966
01:09:25.920 --> 01:09:28.680
up. Yeah, this is where
I showed up. Yeah, I just

967
01:09:28.760 --> 01:09:30.199
attend. You got to come with
me. I said, you got to

968
01:09:30.239 --> 01:09:35.000
come in there. So we turned
around and we go in and I take

969
01:09:35.039 --> 01:09:39.479
them right to the spot and I
says this is where. This is where

970
01:09:39.520 --> 01:09:42.359
I was. This is where it
was. He went around the tree and

971
01:09:42.439 --> 01:09:45.760
goes, oh, man, look
at this, just as clear as a

972
01:09:45.840 --> 01:09:47.760
bell. There was a foot track. It was right there. There was

973
01:09:48.159 --> 01:09:54.239
no missing Yeah. So we're looking
at it, and well, we called

974
01:09:54.279 --> 01:09:57.800
our buddy and we said, hey, he's on his way to a Red

975
01:09:57.840 --> 01:10:01.119
Sox game. He's going down the
highway and we said you got to come

976
01:10:01.199 --> 01:10:06.359
out here because you know he had
casting materials. And he says no.

977
01:10:08.479 --> 01:10:11.520
He says uh. He says,
are you kidding me? And I says,

978
01:10:11.640 --> 01:10:14.079
dude, you got to come out
here. I'm telling you, it's

979
01:10:14.199 --> 01:10:16.000
right there. He goes, are
you sure? He says, I'm on

980
01:10:16.119 --> 01:10:18.800
my way to a game. I
says, I'm telling you it's here.

981
01:10:18.840 --> 01:10:24.079
I'll pay for your gas. Just
turn around. There was another time the

982
01:10:24.199 --> 01:10:29.319
tracks got the pace. Yeah,
So he came out. So we met

983
01:10:29.399 --> 01:10:31.560
him out at the dirt road.
And when we were we get in the

984
01:10:31.600 --> 01:10:35.319
truck and we're driving in. We
had to go into town to buy Class

985
01:10:35.479 --> 01:10:39.479
class so we could cast, so
we waited for him to show up.

986
01:10:39.560 --> 01:10:42.720
So as we drove in, well, Tim, I'm in the front.

987
01:10:42.760 --> 01:10:45.359
Tim is in behind me on the
passenger side, and that's we're driving in

988
01:10:45.880 --> 01:10:53.960
up on the hill. This this
this yell, roar New York. It

989
01:10:54.079 --> 01:10:58.039
came out of nowhere. And I
mean he was mad. It was definitely

990
01:10:58.079 --> 01:11:01.039
a warning. It was mad.
It was like insanely it was just another

991
01:11:01.119 --> 01:11:04.920
insane scream yell. It was carrying
a hell out of here. Or they

992
01:11:04.960 --> 01:11:09.800
were learning them that we were coming
back. Yeah, you know, and

993
01:11:09.920 --> 01:11:15.399
here we are going back. So
we drive in and we get out there

994
01:11:15.079 --> 01:11:18.079
and there, and we come around
the corner. We took we I think

995
01:11:18.119 --> 01:11:21.640
we put something over that one too, and we took that off. We

996
01:11:21.720 --> 01:11:25.600
did, and we turned around and
there's the print and the guy goes,

997
01:11:25.680 --> 01:11:29.760
oh, man, look at this. Yep. So he had dental stone,

998
01:11:29.960 --> 01:11:33.239
and dental stone is fantastic. I
mean, the stuff it hardens.

999
01:11:33.680 --> 01:11:36.520
You really don't have to worry about
it break. You know, dentists you

1000
01:11:36.720 --> 01:11:41.000
use it for your teeth. Good
stuff. So we did that up,

1001
01:11:41.680 --> 01:11:45.319
poured it in and we measured it
out. It was seventeen and a half

1002
01:11:45.399 --> 01:11:49.479
inches long, nine and a half
inches wide by four inches deep. It

1003
01:11:49.640 --> 01:11:55.880
was crazy. And seven feet away
was the second step. But that's where

1004
01:11:56.000 --> 01:11:59.359
the ball and the toe were and
you could see where the toe hit the

1005
01:11:59.479 --> 01:12:03.479
root and literally took the took the
bark off through skimmed it. But you

1006
01:12:03.680 --> 01:12:06.680
can't you know, you can't.
I couldn't cast. Yeah, you can't

1007
01:12:06.720 --> 01:12:10.399
cast that. It just doesn't show
up. I tried, but you could

1008
01:12:10.439 --> 01:12:13.479
see it. It didn't cast.
It was in the group, actually is.

1009
01:12:13.600 --> 01:12:17.720
But that's that's how I saw mine. I Teeter tottered with it forty

1010
01:12:17.800 --> 01:12:23.920
yards away. That validation, you
know, of seeing something and then having

1011
01:12:24.039 --> 01:12:26.840
the track there. I mean,
obviously we have no way of knowing that,

1012
01:12:27.840 --> 01:12:32.439
well did that individual leave that track, but putting those different paces together,

1013
01:12:32.600 --> 01:12:35.880
yeah, the context of the entire
situation, I mean, you want

1014
01:12:35.920 --> 01:12:41.720
an amazing encounter. Yeah, and
the witnesses it was, it was.

1015
01:12:42.039 --> 01:12:45.760
It was unbelievable. I I,
for one, I was the biggest skeptic

1016
01:12:45.880 --> 01:12:50.279
going because I always tore it apart. You know, well, it could

1017
01:12:50.319 --> 01:12:53.560
be this, it could be that, you know, mother nature does this.

1018
01:12:54.279 --> 01:12:58.640
But when it stood there and it
Teeter tottered with me, Yeah,

1019
01:12:58.720 --> 01:13:03.119
that changed my whole whole outlook on
everything, even even after New York,

1020
01:13:03.840 --> 01:13:11.359
seeing it changes everything. Yeah,
you're definitely a believer after that. Yep,

1021
01:13:11.439 --> 01:13:15.319
you can't on you can't have an
experience and once you once you cross

1022
01:13:15.399 --> 01:13:16.720
the line and you say, oh
boy, we're done. You know.

1023
01:13:16.800 --> 01:13:20.920
We we do the library shows,
we do different different events and stuff,

1024
01:13:20.920 --> 01:13:24.880
and you know, people think,
oh, yeah, it's that bigfoot.

1025
01:13:24.960 --> 01:13:30.439
Guys are nuts. So, Tim, have you had a sighting? Yeah?

1026
01:13:30.640 --> 01:13:33.800
Mine was. I have had two. Uh. One I was with

1027
01:13:34.000 --> 01:13:40.600
my wife and the the other one
I was in October Mountain with another group

1028
01:13:40.680 --> 01:13:45.159
on a different expedition, and that
was the Pacing Bigfoot. That was the

1029
01:13:45.239 --> 01:13:48.479
Pacing Bigfoot. So that was a
unique one, more so because it was

1030
01:13:48.520 --> 01:13:53.000
in the fleer. But going with
the context of the story and the cast

1031
01:13:53.079 --> 01:13:57.079
that we've got, you know,
we believe that to be a big foot

1032
01:13:57.119 --> 01:14:00.199
as well with the odor the smell. Well we have in that flear back

1033
01:14:00.600 --> 01:14:04.239
that night and we plugged it in
to the laptop and everybody in a couple

1034
01:14:04.279 --> 01:14:09.039
of seconds of recording. It was
only a few seconds, but you literally

1035
01:14:09.159 --> 01:14:12.600
could watch it walk. You could
see it walk to the left and you

1036
01:14:12.640 --> 01:14:15.399
could see the arm did the arm
movement. You could see that. But

1037
01:14:15.520 --> 01:14:18.720
it was two pixelated and then when
the guy went to play it back the

1038
01:14:18.840 --> 01:14:25.079
second time, it was just a
red blob. It was two p's just

1039
01:14:25.159 --> 01:14:27.720
the one shot. They say it
was anything, but you know, to

1040
01:14:27.840 --> 01:14:30.199
a dozen guys that were sitting there, right, so you know exactly what

1041
01:14:30.319 --> 01:14:33.199
we were looking at. You know, we saw everybody there saw it.

1042
01:14:33.399 --> 01:14:38.680
They know what they will watch,
they get off the log, the whole

1043
01:14:38.760 --> 01:14:43.279
deal. So so we saw one
there and then my wife and I were

1044
01:14:43.800 --> 01:14:46.079
we do what we call a squatch
ride. And you know, we're out

1045
01:14:46.119 --> 01:14:49.560
here in the country. There's not
a whole bunch to do. So we

1046
01:14:49.640 --> 01:14:53.520
get in the car, go get
a coffee, and we'll go off and

1047
01:14:53.600 --> 01:14:57.159
we'll go driving around the back roads
and we call it a squatch. Right,

1048
01:14:57.279 --> 01:15:00.199
so we're going along. We go
to this area called Cobble mounta outon

1049
01:15:00.319 --> 01:15:03.159
reservoir, which is our backyard.
You know, I'm a ranger. We

1050
01:15:03.239 --> 01:15:09.960
have thirteen hundred acre property we manage
which abuts Cobble Mount, which is probably

1051
01:15:10.239 --> 01:15:12.920
you know, I don't know,
six or seven thousand, which goes into

1052
01:15:13.000 --> 01:15:16.560
another, you know, the state
forest. And there's unteen thousand acres back

1053
01:15:16.640 --> 01:15:20.159
there. So it's just woods,
you know, a random dotted road or

1054
01:15:20.680 --> 01:15:24.840
you know, a farm or something
here or there. But there's nothing back

1055
01:15:24.880 --> 01:15:29.560
there, and it's had and it
has a rich history. So we go,

1056
01:15:29.800 --> 01:15:31.880
we go on our squats ride and
we get down to the lake and

1057
01:15:32.399 --> 01:15:36.479
and it's in June, uh,
campus and there was camps. It was

1058
01:15:36.600 --> 01:15:44.000
July actually, uh. And we're
this is in the afternoon, and there's

1059
01:15:44.039 --> 01:15:48.039
this giant white thing across the lake. And it was too big to be

1060
01:15:48.199 --> 01:15:53.039
anything other, you know, it
wasn't It wasn't like a sign on the

1061
01:15:53.119 --> 01:15:57.720
tree there. We go through here
every other night at two, three times

1062
01:15:57.760 --> 01:16:00.000
a week anyway, all right,
so we know what's out there, we

1063
01:16:00.119 --> 01:16:04.279
know what's around the lake. There's
no nothing. It's shoreline, it's natural,

1064
01:16:04.399 --> 01:16:09.600
it's wooded and shoreline. In some
places it's rocky. This happened to

1065
01:16:09.640 --> 01:16:13.960
be a rocky area and what we
believe. We stopped the car. We

1066
01:16:14.079 --> 01:16:15.399
were watching this. I say,
hey, Ken, look at this thing.

1067
01:16:15.479 --> 01:16:20.239
It's this white thing out there,
you know with that was maybe you

1068
01:16:20.319 --> 01:16:25.119
know, maybe a sample crew or
something taking water samples out of the reservoir.

1069
01:16:25.439 --> 01:16:28.600
It was that big. But you
know that distance, I don't know

1070
01:16:28.680 --> 01:16:32.279
how far away is maybe half mile
across the lake. But but you could

1071
01:16:32.359 --> 01:16:39.039
see this white blob definitely stood out
in a summer landscape, which was water,

1072
01:16:39.159 --> 01:16:43.680
shoreline and green. That was it. It was mountains and this giant

1073
01:16:43.720 --> 01:16:46.960
white thing stood out and then all
of a sudden it moved and it went

1074
01:16:47.039 --> 01:16:50.760
down to Look what it looked like
is it went down to the water,

1075
01:16:51.479 --> 01:16:57.439
stood up, and then headed back
to the woods. So it was it

1076
01:16:57.560 --> 01:17:00.119
was like it was probably standing there. Maybe we saw our car. It

1077
01:17:00.239 --> 01:17:03.960
was checking us out, potentially,
because it was just whatever. It was

1078
01:17:04.039 --> 01:17:10.479
just kind of facing one direction,
bend down for probably I don't know,

1079
01:17:11.079 --> 01:17:15.439
fifteen twenty seconds, got back up, turned around and walked into the woods,

1080
01:17:15.479 --> 01:17:19.399
and it was gone. And now
that was the extent of the you

1081
01:17:19.479 --> 01:17:24.000
know that, so I'm going to
I think that was I can't think of

1082
01:17:24.119 --> 01:17:28.199
anything else it would be. Even
if it was a moose. You know,

1083
01:17:28.800 --> 01:17:31.359
a moose would have had to turn
broadside and you would have seen a

1084
01:17:31.439 --> 01:17:36.159
broadside moose. This didn't turn broadside. This was just huge, big,

1085
01:17:36.359 --> 01:17:40.199
It was a big white thing,
and it just kind of you could see

1086
01:17:40.239 --> 01:17:45.159
it kind of just this same thing
just walk walk away. That was it.

1087
01:17:45.479 --> 01:17:45.920
So, you know, I was
thinking, well, maybe it was

1088
01:17:46.000 --> 01:17:48.560
a deer or a beer, but
you know, they're not going to be

1089
01:17:48.600 --> 01:17:53.680
that cognitive to make themselves look slim
and turn around. They're going to go

1090
01:17:53.720 --> 01:17:57.399
down the lake, take a drink, turn around, and that's going to

1091
01:17:57.439 --> 01:18:00.720
require them going broadside to my position
to go and do a one eighty to

1092
01:18:00.800 --> 01:18:04.479
head back into the woods right.
And there was no moose, there was

1093
01:18:04.560 --> 01:18:09.119
no deer, there was no bear, there was nothing. It turned around

1094
01:18:09.479 --> 01:18:13.640
and walked into the woods. And
my wife got to see and she goes,

1095
01:18:13.680 --> 01:18:16.600
holy crap. So she got to
see something that we've been chasing around

1096
01:18:16.640 --> 01:18:21.800
for years and she can't explain that
in the way and now, so you

1097
01:18:21.880 --> 01:18:24.960
know, it was a far away
it was a you know, it was

1098
01:18:25.000 --> 01:18:27.960
a different kind of experience. But
you know, I live here at a

1099
01:18:28.079 --> 01:18:31.399
lake. I can see across the
lake from where well now it's dark,

1100
01:18:31.800 --> 01:18:35.199
but you know I have a clear
shot across the lake and I could tell

1101
01:18:35.239 --> 01:18:39.279
you, I could tell you when
people are walking across the lake. This

1102
01:18:39.439 --> 01:18:43.159
thing was a big white thing across
the lake, maybe a half mile away,

1103
01:18:43.359 --> 01:18:46.000
and it was just too big to
be to be anything else, to

1104
01:18:46.119 --> 01:18:50.359
be honest. And we have a
history in western mass of a number of

1105
01:18:50.439 --> 01:18:56.960
white bigfoot be it at the Quabbin
at the Mount Toime Reservation area up in

1106
01:18:57.079 --> 01:19:00.319
the Vermont. You know, there's
so there's a history of of either multiple

1107
01:19:00.399 --> 01:19:05.159
bigfoot that are white or gray in
different areas, which is very possible.

1108
01:19:05.319 --> 01:19:09.479
You know, as the age,
they probably turn you know, grayish or

1109
01:19:09.520 --> 01:19:12.720
white like like any other or some
of the other animals that you do it,

1110
01:19:13.479 --> 01:19:17.479
So it's possible. I was going
to ask what you think about the

1111
01:19:17.600 --> 01:19:23.359
white coloration. Do you think that's
just a natural coloration or an age thing.

1112
01:19:24.760 --> 01:19:29.239
I'm going to go with an age
thing potentially, because I'm just taking

1113
01:19:29.319 --> 01:19:31.079
it out of the natural realm.
You know, most of the things,

1114
01:19:31.159 --> 01:19:34.760
unless they are an albino, there's
nothing. It's a pigment thing. You've

1115
01:19:34.800 --> 01:19:39.720
got albino deer. Yeah, so
say you can't have an albino bigfoot.

1116
01:19:39.920 --> 01:19:43.399
Yep, it could be an albino
bigfoot, but I'm more have to think

1117
01:19:43.439 --> 01:19:45.600
it's an old bigfoot. These things
got to grow up. I have a

1118
01:19:45.720 --> 01:19:49.000
ten inch juvenile track in front of
me, and I have an eighteen inch

1119
01:19:49.119 --> 01:19:54.520
track over here, So they have
to grow up, you know. Oh

1120
01:19:54.640 --> 01:19:57.079
for sure, they're not. They're
not born nine feet tall. No,

1121
01:19:57.359 --> 01:20:00.640
they're not. No. No,
how about you man, have you had

1122
01:20:00.640 --> 01:20:06.119
an experience? Yeah? Yeah,
I have I had over the course of

1123
01:20:06.199 --> 01:20:11.119
about a decade. I had I
had a sighting in two thousand and two

1124
01:20:12.039 --> 01:20:16.399
and a possible I can encounter that
same night, And then I had another

1125
01:20:16.560 --> 01:20:23.319
sighting a few years after that,
one of what I would consider a juvenile

1126
01:20:24.880 --> 01:20:29.960
yep, and a few you know, glimpses of something. You know that

1127
01:20:30.079 --> 01:20:34.079
I can't confirm butt because you know, again because of the context and the

1128
01:20:34.159 --> 01:20:39.479
circumstances that I don't know what else
it could have been yet, right,

1129
01:20:39.640 --> 01:20:44.800
I can tell you what it was, Yeah, exactly. That's good to

1130
01:20:44.840 --> 01:20:48.359
you. Yeah, the same things
that happened to us happened to you.

1131
01:20:49.159 --> 01:20:54.960
Oh absolutely absolutely. I mean,
you know, one of the most profound

1132
01:20:55.039 --> 01:21:01.439
things happened literally the night before I
had my sighting. We were at a

1133
01:21:01.560 --> 01:21:08.680
location that I would end up researching
over the years on a regular basis.

1134
01:21:09.600 --> 01:21:12.720
Once I had my sighting, I
was pretty much hooked at that point,

1135
01:21:13.399 --> 01:21:15.359
and it was like, Okay,
well I know that they're here because I

1136
01:21:15.439 --> 01:21:19.039
saw one here. So I just
kind of focused all my research efforts there.

1137
01:21:20.119 --> 01:21:24.279
I had a research partner that lived
in the area and everything. It

1138
01:21:24.520 --> 01:21:28.840
wasn't too far from where I lived, so it was a matter of convenience,

1139
01:21:28.920 --> 01:21:32.760
and I thought it was much better
to go at it that way than

1140
01:21:32.840 --> 01:21:36.119
to try to just blindly go to
different locations and hope for the best over

1141
01:21:36.239 --> 01:21:42.119
a weekend camp out. But we
were in this location and we were hearing

1142
01:21:42.239 --> 01:21:47.520
things all around us, and it's
kind of like this dead end in this

1143
01:21:47.720 --> 01:21:53.760
public hunting area, and we had
the cars parked right there, and we

1144
01:21:53.840 --> 01:22:00.720
were surrounded by trees on all sides, and to our backs was a and

1145
01:22:01.079 --> 01:22:04.039
it was nighttime. It was pretty
dark, but you know, there was

1146
01:22:04.079 --> 01:22:09.479
some moonlight and stuff, and we
heard splashing in the creek behind us.

1147
01:22:09.560 --> 01:22:13.920
Now, this creek at that point
in time, you know, depending on

1148
01:22:14.000 --> 01:22:18.359
the rain levels and all that,
it might get a couple feet deep in

1149
01:22:18.479 --> 01:22:25.039
that area, but usually it's just
a few inches deep. I had never

1150
01:22:25.199 --> 01:22:32.720
seen any fish in this creek.
Yeah, yeah, So the splashing was

1151
01:22:32.800 --> 01:22:36.880
kind of interesting, so we started
it just kept on happening, and at

1152
01:22:36.960 --> 01:22:43.520
some point, for whatever reason,
somebody happened to look up and see a

1153
01:22:43.720 --> 01:22:47.279
rock fly overhead and then heard the
splash in the creek behind us. So

1154
01:22:47.439 --> 01:22:51.000
we all started looking up and we're
seeing these rocks come out of the tree

1155
01:22:51.079 --> 01:22:56.239
line and go over our heads.
And into the creek behind us. Wow.

1156
01:22:57.239 --> 01:23:00.439
Well at this point, you know, I did not gonna have a

1157
01:23:00.520 --> 01:23:04.640
sighting the next night. And I, you know, much like others,

1158
01:23:04.840 --> 01:23:09.720
like yourselves, very skeptical, you
know, like, Okay, what's going

1159
01:23:09.800 --> 01:23:13.399
on? What can this be?
You know, there's nothing out here.

1160
01:23:14.279 --> 01:23:17.000
Yeah, there's nothing out here that
can throw rocks other than people. So

1161
01:23:17.159 --> 01:23:20.920
I know we're going out. And
then I started thinking, well, how

1162
01:23:20.960 --> 01:23:25.199
are they throwing them through the trees
in the dark without hitting the trees,

1163
01:23:25.319 --> 01:23:27.960
because I knew if I tried to
throw a rock in the woods, I'm

1164
01:23:27.960 --> 01:23:32.880
just gonna hit trees. And I'm
talking to my buddy and we're leaned up

1165
01:23:32.920 --> 01:23:38.960
against this car, up on the
side of the car hood and this rock

1166
01:23:39.840 --> 01:23:45.479
about the size of a marble,
hits the hood of the car and due

1167
01:23:45.479 --> 01:23:47.680
to the trajectory, bounces off the
hood and hits me in the stomach and

1168
01:23:47.840 --> 01:23:51.560
lands back on the hood of the
car. And I'm just looking down at

1169
01:23:51.640 --> 01:23:55.279
it, and I look over at
him, and I'm looking at the woods,

1170
01:23:55.319 --> 01:23:58.840
and I don't hear anything in the
woods. But now I know,

1171
01:23:59.159 --> 01:24:05.479
like this is this something's throwing rocks
like this was for real, and that

1172
01:24:05.760 --> 01:24:11.960
just blew my mind. So at
that point in time, I still wasn't

1173
01:24:12.000 --> 01:24:15.720
sure if Bigfoot was real, but
I was certain that there was something out

1174
01:24:15.760 --> 01:24:21.640
there throwing rocks exactly. Yeah.
I wanted to ask you, Tom,

1175
01:24:21.720 --> 01:24:27.760
because my listeners would hang me up
by my heels if I didn't. You're

1176
01:24:27.840 --> 01:24:31.399
a ranger. Yeah, Do you
get any flak for it? Is there

1177
01:24:32.079 --> 01:24:36.920
any sort of commands You've been told
not to let anybody know that these things

1178
01:24:36.960 --> 01:24:42.680
are out there? What's the cover
up going on? No? No,

1179
01:24:43.000 --> 01:24:46.560
are you kidding meat. Everybody knows
I'm a ranger around here and I do

1180
01:24:46.720 --> 01:24:50.119
library events, we do other events, and I tell them I'm a ranger.

1181
01:24:50.439 --> 01:24:54.039
You know I had, and it
goes along with telling you about the

1182
01:24:54.119 --> 01:24:57.439
bear reports. I've been a ranger
for fifteen years. I've been in the

1183
01:24:57.520 --> 01:25:01.399
woods working every day for fifteen years, and I have bear you know,

1184
01:25:01.479 --> 01:25:05.600
they come into camp, so it's
there. It's just one of those things.

1185
01:25:05.640 --> 01:25:09.960
Now I don't even today. I
have a very clean camp, So

1186
01:25:10.079 --> 01:25:13.520
today the bear encounters are a lot
less. When I had first started,

1187
01:25:13.560 --> 01:25:15.239
I was taken over for a guy
that the bears used to come in all

1188
01:25:15.319 --> 01:25:18.600
the time, and so I'd have
encounters four or five different bears. I

1189
01:25:18.760 --> 01:25:23.359
literally open up a dumpster and have
a bear sleeping in a dumpster, you

1190
01:25:23.399 --> 01:25:31.199
know, taking pictures like that.
So my scariest bear encounter was in Chesterfield,

1191
01:25:31.239 --> 01:25:35.840
Mass I was a ranger and I'm
on a mountain bike. Actually I'm

1192
01:25:35.880 --> 01:25:42.840
going down a dirt road, and
the dirt road transitions to stone to gravel

1193
01:25:43.000 --> 01:25:46.960
like and there was a sound difference. Now at the same time this transition

1194
01:25:47.159 --> 01:25:51.720
from dirt road to gravel happened,
it looked to me as if there was

1195
01:25:51.800 --> 01:25:57.000
a trash bag that had blown off
a table, a picnic table in the

1196
01:25:57.039 --> 01:26:00.520
woods. Looked like it had blown
off the table. And the moment later,

1197
01:26:00.840 --> 01:26:04.199
it's standing in front of me,
literally standing in front of me on

1198
01:26:04.279 --> 01:26:09.520
two legs, like, holy crap. And there was a bear in front

1199
01:26:09.560 --> 01:26:13.399
of me, and I could see
by looking at it it was a teenager.

1200
01:26:13.520 --> 01:26:15.840
It was kind of long, lanky, skinny, and he was just

1201
01:26:15.960 --> 01:26:20.159
as freaked out as I was.
And I literally I skidd it to a

1202
01:26:20.239 --> 01:26:24.319
stop, grabbed my bike, fronded
up. Hey bear, get out of

1203
01:26:24.319 --> 01:26:26.680
the air. Bear, And I'm
screaming at him and he's freaking out,

1204
01:26:26.720 --> 01:26:30.840
and we both go in two different
directions and that was literally feet apart.

1205
01:26:31.720 --> 01:26:35.199
And I came back to the house. My wife is garden and she's doing

1206
01:26:35.279 --> 01:26:38.920
the flowers out front, and I
said, came to the bear, come

1207
01:26:39.000 --> 01:26:44.159
by, And I actually beat the
bear because he was I beat the bear.

1208
01:26:44.920 --> 01:26:47.359
I came back to see him crossing
the road. He was actually crossing

1209
01:26:48.039 --> 01:26:53.000
into our yard and the bed she
had seen the bear. So I actually

1210
01:26:53.079 --> 01:26:57.000
beat the bear back on my mouth
bike. So it was pretty funny.

1211
01:26:57.199 --> 01:27:01.399
But that was the closest. And
like I said, we've always they've always

1212
01:27:01.520 --> 01:27:05.159
ran, They've never stuck around.
They don't argue, why don't want to

1213
01:27:05.199 --> 01:27:09.920
be around you? You know,
they go. So I haven't had you

1214
01:27:09.960 --> 01:27:13.800
know, yeah, bears attack things
like that. I've never experienced anything like

1215
01:27:13.880 --> 01:27:18.399
that. I have been very fortunate. And that's just that, it's so

1216
01:27:19.840 --> 01:27:24.560
the bears. Yeah, the whole
bear thing is a you know, it

1217
01:27:24.760 --> 01:27:28.039
kind of brings you back to the
New York thing. Why was that creature

1218
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out there or whatever it was yelling
and screaming for ten to fifteen minutes,

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literally ten fifteen minutes at the top
of the Younges whatever the hell it is

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doing screaming at us, you know, And and so it was. It

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was hard to associate. Well,
was it a bear? Well, you

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know, every bear I've ever ran
across just kind of puffed its mouth and

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soft bluff, charged me a little
bit and run like out, And that

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was the extent of it. So
it kind of became a little comfortable maybe

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when I saw them. And you
know, you still do the big yell,

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and nine out of ten times you
know they snowy, they don't,

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You're gone. You know, if
they win you, they're gone. And

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same with the most of the other
animals. I think the more experienced people

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have with wildlife, the more impressive
some of these possible bigfoot encounters are.

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Because I run across a lot of
people where I'll tell them a story.

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For instance, you know eye shine. You know a lot of bigfooters see

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eye shine, and people will you
know, well, if all you saw

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was eye shine, why why do
you even think it was a big foot?

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And I try to explain to them, deer, don't stand there and

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watch you for thirty minutes. You
know, animals typically hal ass nine out

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of ten, they absolutely do.
I appreciate you coming on here and sharing

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some of your experiences with me.
How can people reach you if they want

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to reach the fabulous Vogel Brothers.
There you go. Go to Thevogo Brothers

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page on Facebook, the Logo Brothers. If you check us out there,

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like us, say something nice,
and then it's you know, wild Guide

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one at yahoo dot com, Wild
Guide to at yahoo dot com, but

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it's the Volga Brothers. Sounds good, excellent. Thanks for having us, Sig