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Today. Hey everybody, this is
Less Striding. Yes, yes, I

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know, aka Surviving Man, and
you're listening to Brian on Sasquatch Odys.

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He guys, and welcome back to
Sasquatch Odyssey. Thank you so much for

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being with us for the show.
It is Friday. I hope you guys

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have had a great week. We
have an amazing guest lined up for you.

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But as always, before we get
there, I want to start by

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inviting you. If you've had an
encounter and you'd like to be on the

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show, shoot me an email.
You can give me a Brian at Parentimal

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World Productions dot com. You can
head over to the website check it out,

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become a member there and help support
the show. As I said,

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we've got a great guest lined up. I got to talk to Roger from

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Tennessee and Roger actually shared his encounter
story, or at least a part of

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it, on the stage with me
there at the Smoky Mountain Big Front conference

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back last month in July, and
I invited Roger on the show to spend

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more time because he had quite a
few experiences to share and we only had

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ten or fifteen minutes or so on
the stage. I wanted to give him

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the opportunity to come on the show
and share his full experience. So I

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know that you're really going to enjoy
this. Roger is a fantastic guy and

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just a really straight shooter. I
really have enjoyed becoming friends with Roger and

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his son Peyton. During the interview, Roger refers to a video. I'm

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actually going to link to that.
So if you want to see the video

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and hear what we're talking about in
the interview, head over to Paranormal World

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Productions dot com. The link is
right here in the show notes. Check

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out the Sasquatch Odyssey blog at the
top of the page, and it will

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be the most recent episode. As
soon as you land on the blog homepage,

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you'll see it right there. But
enough of that, I know you

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guys are ready to get into it. Rogers on the line. He's ready

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to go. You gotta sit back, relax, and enjoy the show.

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Folks want to welcome our guests to
the show. It is Roger from Tennessee.

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Welcome to the show. Man.
Thank you sir, been looking forward

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to this one, me too.
Man. I got to hang out with

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you and meet you in Gatlinburg at
the Smoky Mountain Bigfoot Conference. You and

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your son Peyton were one of the
bright spots in my weekend man, So

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I really appreciate you taking the time
to come on the show and share your

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experience that you shared on the stage
with me there. I know that was

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not an easy thing for you to
do. It's not easy for anybody to

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tell their story in the first place, but especially to get in front of

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fifteen hundred two thousand people on a
stage and talk about your story. Before

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we get into what got you into
Bigfoot and talking about your encounters, let's

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talk a little bit about the conference. I have been there. This is

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the third year in a row I've
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as a spectator just to check it
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as a vendor, and then we
were back this year and I was handling

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the encounters and doing some of the
stuff on the stage. So I've got

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to see this progression. Is that
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that conference, or had you and
Peyton been to that before. That's my

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first conference of any kind of like
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away, and when I first told
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a little bit and I enjoyed learn. I'll enjoyed learning what I could.

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And when I saw the lineup,
we're four hours away, let's make plans

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to go, and we had a
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You don't get to do that as
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we just made a weekend out of
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expect when we got there. I
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texted, then some other people.
It was nice to have some millier faces

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and people. I think. We
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of times and in between what was
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blown away. And then the clock
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up. And yeah, I came
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can I go lack just to see
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was confident be my story. That
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meet and I appreciate you making me
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You seem like a natural. Lets
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while. I've done it once or
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and the mic canned off to Cliff
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I've posted that up on my stuff
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guys filmed it, and people have
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the things that people have said,
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cool way to hand off the mic
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yeah, how often do you get
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gotta do something less special, right, And it wasn't a setup. I

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was snat pressed with him panning over
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about to do. You didn't know
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it just worked out. Yeah.
Some of those best moments in life are

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unscripted. Man. It was full. It was a good time. I

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really had a good time. I
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hang out with people like often again
do you get to hang out with Cliff

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Berrick Munnon. Renee Holland was somebody
who really surprised me. You know,

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I've talked about Renee on the show
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to expect of course, you never
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but Renee was one of the warmest
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I didn't hang out with Matt much. Matt was doing his thing, obviously,

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and Cliff and I didn't really get
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doing a show together over on another
podcast because we're speaking together later on this

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month. We're getting together, I
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in about four days, so we'll
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But it's so funny because you get
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and even people you work with,
like I had Matt prut on for an

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interview a couple of days back,
talking about his new book that'll be out

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in the next couple of weeks,
and he produces the show for Cliff and

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Bobo and he's Gatlinberg. Was really
the first time they got to hang out

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and so long because they're so far
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every day, but they don't ever
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was really cool to see them hang
out and get to hang out with Matt,

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And that was a really great interview
for you guys listening now, you'll

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definitely want to tune in and listen
to the talk with Matt Prude about his

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new book, Phenomenal Sasquatch. You
and I were talking about. You've just

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got your copy and started reading it. It's one of the best reads I

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have ever read, as far as
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The legend me science book was one
of my favorites with Jeff Meldrum,

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doctor Meldrum's book, and Matt is
one of the best writers that, like

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you said, we were talking before
natural writers and the way he handles this

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subject and talks about this subject in
this book. Obviously, this is not

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an episode about his book, but
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because it's a really powerful book in
my opinion, that everybody should read.

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And I'm glad that you got a
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to read it, especially having an
encounter yourself. I think it'll really for

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you, in my opinion, put
a lot of things in perspective that may

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not already be there for you as
an experiencer. Yeah, and I don't

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think Matt really knows how good of
a writer he actually is, but I

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think he's going to find out after
this. I think you're definitely right man.

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Yeah, I'm thoroughly impressed. And
like I told you before, is

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it odd that I'm reading the book
in his voice. I can't hear he's

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reading it to me basically, which
is cool. And we met him and

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Cliff and I never thought when this
got started, my son turned me on

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to find a big foot. And
there's a weird reason how that happened.

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I tell you later that I would
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and I note some of this story. He lives in Middle Tennessee now,

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and we were talking and just down
to earth. Sounds like a great guy

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with sharing stories with me. Cliff
was you know, I was nervous before

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I went on stage, and I
had talked to him about it. It

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gave me a little vice, you
did. And you know when Peyton,

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when he showed me that video,
I looked at it several times. I

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said, look at Cliff's face,
as he's genuinely happy that I didn't pass

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out. He was like, there
you go. He was like I felt

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like that anyway. So yeah,
it was fun. Yeah, not passing

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out as always a good thing.
So let's get right into it. Man.

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Let's talk about your interesting big foot. We talked about it a little

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bit, but tell everybody and me, what guy you interested in the subject

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to begin with? Was it your
first experience or did it start earlier on

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for you? I think I've been
fifty two years old. I think everybody

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when they were really young saw the
Patty film. I don't think it was

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stabilized. It was scared the crap
out of his kids. And I think,

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no, I know that when we
saw it. I don't know if

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it was on the news. We
had three or four animal was growing up

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in rural Tennessee. But in my
mind there was one big foot to be

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scared of, and it was out
in California, somewhere out in Washington,

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so that was a long ways away. I didn't really worry about it,

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didn't think about it. My interest
was forced upon me because I'm curious.

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I like to learn new things or
whatever, and this the it's the experience.

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It just happened. And if I'd
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or earlier, I never would have
seen this thing. It was just the

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tim it. And after the sighting, we had no the local library was

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in town. I was out in
the country, so I had no way

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of looking anything up. So it
was put off for years. And I'll

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tell you this how it got started
back up. My son was about he's

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twenty six now. He was about
I'm gonna stay around thirteen or so,

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and I'm gonna I'm cooking himself or
lunch or something, and he's watching his

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phone. Here's something on his phone. I didn't know finding Bigfoot existed.

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I didn't know YouTube videos of bigfoot
existed. And I'm in my late thirties

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and all of a sudden, I
hear something in the living room and I

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freeze and I what was that?
He said, Oh, it's this new

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show. It's funny. It's finding
Bigfoots. This is the how that Matt

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Moneymacker. And I'm waiting a minute. What you just played is supposed to

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be a big foot? He said, oh yeah. I said, play

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it again, and then play it
again, and I said, I didn't

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need to talk to you. I've
heard that a half a dozen times when

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I was younger, but that recording
doesn't do it justice because the first time

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I ever heard it, I felt
it too, which was odd. And

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this was after the siding, not
too long after the siding, and they

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were a company had moved in and
had started strip mining for phosphate and they

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were tearing up the habitat back there. And years later, looking back on

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a lot of this learning and reverse
as I call it, maybe that's what

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why I heard the screams in that
area after that. But yeah, that

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was one of those aha, old
crap moments. I'm like, that's supposed

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to be a big foot and yeah, and we had a talk. He

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said, you gotta watch the show. When I watched the show and recognized

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pretty quickly it was for entertainment,
but there was some information that I never

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had and things to look for and
parts of the country that were in California

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or Washington. The very first episode
was in Sheer Deck of the Woods,

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North Georgia, which kind of floored
me. And it started there. That's

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how it started. It started way
back when I was fourteen, but it

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didn't continue until I realized there were
resources that I could go to and make

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my own judgment. There's a lot
of fake stuff out there. There's a

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lot of people trying to get clicks, but you can filter through that if

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you do put in the work,
put in the time, So that's how

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it got started. It was funny
learning in reverse. I like that.

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I actually wrote that down as you
said it, learning in reverse. I

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love that, and it's the kind
of the same thing for me almost because,

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like you said, I thought as
a kid and I got interested in

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the subject. I didn't believe that
there was just one big foot, but

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I believed that they only existed out
West Pacific, Northwest and California in those

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areas, very much like you.
That's one of the reasons I started the

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show was to document as many cases
as I could in the southeastern United States.

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I was born and raised in Georgia. I now live in North Carolina,

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and people were having these experiences,
and I knew that the people that

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I was hearing those stories of jen
Singh hunters and things that were guys getting

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scared off the mountain by what they
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Now I know that to be what
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sasquatch. So I wanted to document
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on the show. It's Gonna air
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gonna air on Sunday. I got
the opportunity and the pleasure to interview Peter

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Byrne, the last of the four
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of course he passed away on July
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through that and I remastered the audio
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it for people to listen to.
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Peter and I disagreed about, was
because he doesn't believe and he didn't believe

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that Sasquatch had ever really existed basically
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that's probably not accurate, but he
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kind of guy. He was not
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many people like you who have experiences
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We've had experiences here that I can't
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there's definitely a there. And I
think that Finding Bigfoot did a lot of

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great things for Bigfoot. I think
it did a lot of detrimental things.

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I think it was one of those
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I was very pleased with the show, very much like you, that they

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did cover pretty much all parts of
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in Florida, It's happened in Tennessee, it's happening in Idaho, it's happening

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here, it's happening in California.
So I think it was a really great

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part of the show. I think
it did a lot of great things,

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like I said, and obviously gave
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that they couldn't explain, somewhere to
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We've talked a little bit about it. Obviously, I've heard your story on

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the stage in Gatlinburg. But for
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back and talking about your first experience, talking about your first encounter and tell

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us where you were, what you
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Yeah. I hear people talk about
you your mind before you saved one

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of these things, then after,
and it was nothing special. The day

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it was a fall day, a
leaves are off the trees. I grew

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up hunting those woods I had.
We didn't own but an acre, but

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we knew a lot of the farmers
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How you had the run of it
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hundred acres at it. So not
having a neighbor kid close by, I

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spent a lot of time in the
woods and naively after dark without a flashlight

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walking in when I was hunting.
My dad started me out with a bad

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gun at eight years old, and
that's the woods I learned to hunt in

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this different time. Now, after
I showed him I could be saved eleven

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or twelve, I would turn loose, go rabbit hunting by myself, or

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hunting by myself, deer hunting.
When't it he trusted me. There wasn't

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a lot to do, but one
thing. I would always keep an eye

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on the fields behind our house.
There were some hills, rolling hills,

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open fields and woods. And just
one day I just I stepped out to

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the side across the there's an access
to a cemetery that kind of went out

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of our driveway and then you step
into the neighbor's field there and it was

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nothing in between me and the hill, which was about the base of it,

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about two hundred yards one hundred eighty
two hundred yards. Looked out there,

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there wasn't even there wasn't a rabbit
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So I'll go back to the house
to my left, or the dry

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creek bed that ran up, and
there was a little elbow I called it,

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where the woods poked out a little
bit into the field and then turned

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back. I hunted back there,
and something stepped out right there at that

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point. And of course the all
the grass is green and this lush and

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the color. And you always hear
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Now, that's not how it happens. You notice a lot of things at

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the same time. And that's why
you're mind twists. That's why you can't

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comprehend what you're seeing, because you've
got the size, you've got the color,

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you've got all this going on.
And that's the one thing you cannot

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get across the people when you say
seven foot seven, half foot eight and

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nine, the mask that comes along
with it, that's just you can't in

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the thickness and all that. So
I saw something step out under. It

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was under a limb. Thank goodness, I had a little reference to go

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back too later. It was about
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the head to this limb, and
I had seen my dad walked that way

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tons of times coming back from Harting. He was five eight, so I

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immediately knew whatever that was huge.
Then the color I've tried to clean,

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it's the people lately and the best
now and come up with to put the

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picture in her head. It's like
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just a little darker. Not the
rapper, but the actual bar.

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And at that distance people that I
don't know that they think it's a long

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ways. But when you go,
when you hunt or you shoot long distance,

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or if you do things or you
observe, you have a job where

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observe things, at that distance,
you could if my dad was standing there,

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I could tell you what kind of
boots he had on. I could

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tell you his blue jeans as he
got Khaki's own. Does he is camouflage

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on? I could tell the belt
line, neckline, hat or no hat.

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Right, this was all one color, pretty much the same color all

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the way. And I had the
thought run through my head, like my

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daughter to run, my daugher to
leave, but I couldn't take them.

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I couldn't take my eyes off of
it. It was looking up the hill

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and this was the shortest point to
this Houthaffelfield that always had there in that

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pretty much. And I'd walked that
way several times, and I'm glad I

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stayed because at that point, but
it's something big. It's one color,

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but getting to see the motion of
its body and legs as it walked up

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the hill in its thick grass.
The old man that owned that place was

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really he's really old, so they
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He would pay somebody over a couple
of years, three years to go

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there to keep it keep the woods
from taking over. And so when you

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walked up through there and the grass
was intertwined from the last growth and you

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had to pick your feet up,
you couldn't walk through it with your feet

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that you had to pick your feet
up. And my little fat tail had

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to pick my foot up, throw
it out to the side and over at

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But I was already I'm six foot, I was already almosked that anyway,

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knowing how I walked up through there, and other people I saw walk up

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through there when it started to walk, just go back before it started up

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right as I thought maybe maybe I
should run or whatever, this thing turned

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and looked at me and stay tuned
for more sasquatch out to see wod right

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back after these messages. But it
didn't turn its head like we do where

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you put your shoulder your chin over
your shoulder, left or right. It

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did turn its head, but it
turned its shoulders also when it turned at

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the waist a little bit, and
the right shoulder came up, left shoulder

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dipped a little bit, and it
looked at me, and I'm like,

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oh, no, I couldn't see
any faceful features, but I was looking

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at a monster in my head.
But then I guess, because maybe that

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I had been hunting those woods for
six years or so, maybe it knew

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me. Maybe it knew I wasn't
a thread because I had some stuff happened

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before this that I never put together
until later. But so when it started

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up the hill, it's motion that
if the audience can picture a walking horse,

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a Tennessee walking horse, when it
throws the legs up and over.

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It wasn't that exaggerated that high,
but that was the motion. And when

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it stepped over the grass, it
had just a little body lane. Where

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it would have took me three to
five minutes to go that distance, it

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went in a few seconds. And
I told you before the whole this whole

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encounter was only about twenty five to
thirty seconds, which is a long time

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when I hear these encounters. That's
a I know somedayre a lot longer,

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but that's rare. And my deciding
factor on that I wasn't looking at a

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human was when it walked up that
hill, the way it dealt with that

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high grass. I even now think
I want to ask an expert now that

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we know it down that I know
that they have the flexible foot, would

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that influence the body lean versus way
we would have to lean. So if

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it could step up in that front
pad in the backpack to bend and not

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put as much pressure on the killies
tending like ours, could it walk with

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a straighter back up the hill?
Because I saw how it moved. I've

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never got the chance to ask anybody
that, but that's always been a question.

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If I get a chance to ask
somebody that knows I won't ask that

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question. And it went on out
of sight, and I stood there for

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a little bit trying to wrap my
head around it, and maybe standing there

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to sip there's another one comes.
I'm just it's just before I saw the

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thing, and after it was totally
different. I changed. I changed how

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a hunted I would go in.
I didn't care. I wasn't scared to

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be anything. I would naive thinking
twenty gage breakdown, shotgun and a two

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dollars flashlight was a boss would.
I found out real quick that there's things

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out there that didn't know about,
so that that doesn't go away. But

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here's what I'll make it go away
for a while. When my dad got

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home, I said, hey,
I gotta talk to you. What is

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it. I think I saw bigfoot
walk up that hill and go And I

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didn't even get that out of my
mouth. And he's laughing. He said

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that was probably Beauford walking his farm. I'm like, Beauford's almost nine years

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old. He can't get to the
mailboxing back. You don't understand what I'm

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saying. But yeah, and he
had a little bit of his hell and

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mom had experienced. Later, a
couple of years later, he came back

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to me and he's, how big
was that thing that you said you saw?

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And I said it was about six
or eight inches or so under that

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liamb up there and I had already
measured. I had been up there and

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I'm I can reach seven seven and
seven six seven seven, depending on the

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shooters I've got on. And I
went up there and looked, and this

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thing had to be anywhere from seven
three to seven and six is already knew.

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He took to tape measure up there, and he was denying the whole

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time. There's no way, there
is no way. I said, what

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did you hear it sounded? How
big did it sound? It was massive?

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And it landed on two feet behind
him in the road, jumped the

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fence after breaking some trees, and
ran towards him. It scared him enough

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that he came and opened his mind
up and asked me questions. So I

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turned into the little nerd after that
for a few years around growing ups from

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farmers, hey you're seeing you're seeing
a big foot? And I had to

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stop that. When I got in
my twenties coast, it was a little

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more they look at you a little
more funny. When you're a kid,

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you can get by with it a
little. But yeah, i'd ask people.

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I got some looks that maybe somebody
didn't want to talk about something,

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and I got a few a handful
of stories from people like you said,

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when you know somebody that makes all
the difference the world. The people listen

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right now. They don't know me, they don't know you. They trust

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you because they they've heard you,
they've heard how you handled things. They

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don't know me. And I'm not
trying to convince anybody, But when you

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talk to people that you grew up
with and you know how they are,

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some of them you can't listen to
whatever they say. I've heard people say

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they'll climb a tree just to get
to tell a lie. But you've got

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some people you can take it to
the bank, and that's the people you

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listen to. So that's how I
got started. You mentioned that you'd had

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some things happened before the siding and
after the siding. Well, so let's

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take the before the siding stuff first. You mentioned that in retrospect, which

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happens all the time to people.
I see it all the time on the

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show, you haven't experience and then
you start looking back on things that you'd

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heard, maybe even things you saw
that you just brushed off. What were

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some of the things that you had
experienced before you actually had the siding that

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now you look back in retrospect might
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So there's two that stand out.
There's one that maybe if that I

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will you mentioned, but it actually
makes you think about things. So one

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time I started hunting when I was
eight. My dad saw a large buck

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in this area, and so being
a dad, he built me a stand

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and put me up there at eleven
years old, and he was say he

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would hunt. Actually he was probably
hunting where it was coming, where he

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could catch it if it got away
from him. So I was not scared

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at all. And one day it
was a feeling and I thought I heard

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a low growl. Now we had
coy dogs that had we had couties that

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had mixed with a black lab and
we had those and I wasn't scared of

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them as long as I could see
them, because you could actually even fire

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a gun sometimes and not shoot something
just to get their hearing. It hurts

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their ears, so it wasn't really
scared of them. But this was different.

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And when it did it, and
it was real low, it's almost

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like I can't tell you that I
did hear it, if that makes sense,

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But something caught my attenion and I
got this feeling it was just oh

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no, and I was scared for
no reason that I could think of,

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but it got so bad that I
yell. I started yelling for my dad

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and he came and got me.
He said, he said, you probably

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run a big buck. All now
I understand, But whatever that was,

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I don't know. I can't tell
you what it was. But fast forward

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to just before the siding in East
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you'll get snow, I imagine every
now and then, we hardly get

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it. Middle Tennessee. We had
a perfect weather pattern coming in where Friday

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night Saturday morning, we're gonna get
two or three inches of snow, maybe

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a little more deering hunting season and
I'm like, yes, I'm gonna get

408
00:27:38.400 --> 00:27:41.200
to go out there and I'm gonna
be in the snow, probably not gonna

409
00:27:41.240 --> 00:27:45.240
get anything, but it's it's just
beautiful. So I had two places on

410
00:27:45.400 --> 00:27:51.880
hunted. And this tree stand that
I put up later was at a crossroads,

411
00:27:51.960 --> 00:27:55.519
a deer crossroads game trail, and
you could look at your watch and

412
00:27:55.559 --> 00:28:00.640
know two dos and this was coming
through at this time and whatever not scared

413
00:28:00.680 --> 00:28:03.319
again, they go up this trail
that the farmer had cut out years ago

414
00:28:03.400 --> 00:28:07.000
to get his tractor from field to
field through the cook woods short woods there,

415
00:28:07.039 --> 00:28:11.039
and I just can't believe how pretty
it is and the big snowflakes you're

416
00:28:11.119 --> 00:28:15.559
falling. And when that happened,
it's quiet. It dampened all the sound.

417
00:28:17.119 --> 00:28:19.319
Yeah, you can sneak a little
better, but you can't hear anything

418
00:28:19.799 --> 00:28:26.880
either. So I'm walking up through
there and I'm about it's been a long

419
00:28:26.920 --> 00:28:29.640
time since I've been there. I'm
gonna guess eighty to one hundred yards fromhere.

420
00:28:29.640 --> 00:28:33.240
I had deciding later, so now
I'm like, Okay, this field

421
00:28:33.319 --> 00:28:37.839
is white. Should I go up
the right side here along this dry creek

422
00:28:37.880 --> 00:28:42.319
bed or should I cut across diagonally
or go around and stay out of sight.

423
00:28:42.440 --> 00:28:47.839
It's just in case they're deer in
the wood. And while I'm scanning

424
00:28:47.920 --> 00:28:51.720
the field, I look into the
woods towards my stand and this what you

425
00:28:51.799 --> 00:28:53.960
hear from a lot of people.
This feeling of dread just locked me down.

426
00:28:56.039 --> 00:28:59.400
And I don't mean, I don't
mean it was a little bit.

427
00:28:59.480 --> 00:29:04.279
It locked me down. And what
I thought, this is crazy. And

428
00:29:04.319 --> 00:29:07.759
I tried to take a step on
my right foot. I couldn't do it.

429
00:29:07.640 --> 00:29:11.119
And I look back into the woods
again, I'm like, what is

430
00:29:11.160 --> 00:29:14.480
this. I looked where my tree
stay was. I couldn't see it because

431
00:29:14.480 --> 00:29:18.000
it was dark in the woods there
because of the snow all around. And

432
00:29:18.279 --> 00:29:21.799
I had this feeling. It wasn't
a voice, It's not a voice,

433
00:29:21.880 --> 00:29:25.599
it was it was a feeling that
if I went into those woods where my

434
00:29:25.640 --> 00:29:29.599
stand was at not I don't know, fifty to seventy yards away, depending

435
00:29:29.640 --> 00:29:32.640
on the their direction, I went, that I wasn't coming back out.

436
00:29:32.720 --> 00:29:37.799
And that was a very real fear, and so I tried to talk myself

437
00:29:37.880 --> 00:29:41.279
out of it. And then you
get this jittery sit not like I was

438
00:29:41.279 --> 00:29:45.319
gonna throw up, but just I
don't know how to put it, just

439
00:29:45.400 --> 00:29:48.599
a jittery stomach in this fear.
And so I don't know what made me

440
00:29:48.640 --> 00:29:52.519
do this, or even I couldn't
do anything. So all I had was

441
00:29:52.559 --> 00:29:56.839
what I was thinking. And I
thought, if you let me go,

442
00:29:56.519 --> 00:30:00.079
I will turn my right foot and
go back towards the house and I won't

443
00:30:00.079 --> 00:30:06.519
come back today. And it was
like dis released. Everything released. I

444
00:30:06.519 --> 00:30:08.880
don't know if it's a euphoric feeling
or whatever you call it, but I

445
00:30:08.880 --> 00:30:11.720
didn't feel the weight. I didn't
feel the jitter in this I didn't feel,

446
00:30:12.079 --> 00:30:17.960
and I did exactly what I promised, got back to the house and

447
00:30:18.039 --> 00:30:19.160
my mom and dad was like,
what are you doing back? You were

448
00:30:19.160 --> 00:30:23.319
all excited and didn't want to talk
about it and never talked about it for

449
00:30:23.319 --> 00:30:26.720
a long time. I said,
oh, it's too cold out there,

450
00:30:26.599 --> 00:30:30.799
which my dad looked at me funny
because usually didn't matter. I'd come back,

451
00:30:30.839 --> 00:30:33.920
so can wet thirty degrees And they're
like, you're gonna die, You're

452
00:30:33.920 --> 00:30:37.480
gonna catch in pneumonia. So he
didn't ask me any questions, and years

453
00:30:37.559 --> 00:30:42.039
later I told him what happened.
But then you taught learning in reverse.

454
00:30:42.519 --> 00:30:48.039
You look at these documentaries and you
see where they're measuring infrasound with a line,

455
00:30:48.759 --> 00:30:52.079
actually measuring it and asking a guy, hey, what do you feel?

456
00:30:52.839 --> 00:30:56.559
And they can lock down a predator, scare him to death and they

457
00:30:56.640 --> 00:31:00.759
can't move and heat and this seat
I knew I had read that part.

458
00:31:00.960 --> 00:31:04.000
This is the part that got me
think of the reporter, the guy doing

459
00:31:04.079 --> 00:31:07.480
the documentary or the scientists was talking
to him. He said, what do

460
00:31:07.519 --> 00:31:11.440
you feeling like? He said,
yeah, my stump feels a little jittery,

461
00:31:11.680 --> 00:31:15.079
and I'm like, oh crap.
It was like when you lean up

462
00:31:15.079 --> 00:31:18.039
your clienter, wait a minute and
learning and reverse. So I don't know

463
00:31:18.119 --> 00:31:21.799
that's what that was, and I'm
not saying it it was because I don't

464
00:31:21.839 --> 00:31:26.359
know what it was, but it's
possible that's what it was. And it

465
00:31:26.480 --> 00:31:30.559
was not too far from where the
sighting was a little bit later, so

466
00:31:30.680 --> 00:31:33.880
I don't know. I've heard people
say sometimes I wished I had enough thing

467
00:31:34.599 --> 00:31:41.240
what I saw, but I'm like
that, but I'm glad I saw the

468
00:31:41.400 --> 00:31:45.039
motion that it used to get see. If I never had walked up that

469
00:31:45.119 --> 00:31:48.920
hill, if I didn't have the
experience in that area, it wouldn't have

470
00:31:48.960 --> 00:31:55.480
meant anything to me. But because
I had that experience of using some of

471
00:31:55.559 --> 00:31:59.920
mats, be we're traversing this field
of death grass. So when you walk

472
00:32:00.119 --> 00:32:04.640
gonna asphalt, concrete or whatever,
you use your muscle different and it doesn't

473
00:32:04.680 --> 00:32:07.039
you get used to that. But
when you have to do a motion that

474
00:32:07.240 --> 00:32:12.480
you're not used to, it'll wear
you down pretty fast. So, like

475
00:32:12.519 --> 00:32:15.319
I said, if I hadn't,
if I'd been one of those kids that

476
00:32:15.720 --> 00:32:20.119
had a notari and set on accounts
all the time, then I wouldn't have

477
00:32:20.319 --> 00:32:23.400
got as much from that thirty seconds
as I did. If that makes sense,

478
00:32:23.640 --> 00:32:27.119
It makes perfect sense, man.
And I know you mentioned that you

479
00:32:27.200 --> 00:32:31.000
had some experiences later on with the
ohio how vocalization, and that you and

480
00:32:31.039 --> 00:32:35.640
Pete had some experiences. Would you
go into a sort of fast forward mode

481
00:32:35.759 --> 00:32:38.599
and get into some of those encounters. Obviously you've been learning and reverse,

482
00:32:38.680 --> 00:32:43.119
so when you had these experiences later
in life, you had a lot more

483
00:32:43.160 --> 00:32:45.160
to work with, so you were
a lot more present in the moment.

484
00:32:45.200 --> 00:32:49.319
So let's talk a little bit about
what happened during those and then what you

485
00:32:49.359 --> 00:32:53.799
think was going on. We can
thirty there were thirty five years between that

486
00:32:53.960 --> 00:33:00.359
siding, and we're talking like twenty
maybe twenty nineteen, twenty twenty. My

487
00:33:00.359 --> 00:33:04.079
mom and dadd sold that acre and
bought a farm. They had one hundred

488
00:33:04.119 --> 00:33:07.039
forty three acres five miles down the
road. It had all the food and

489
00:33:07.039 --> 00:33:10.799
water you could think of. I
never had the first experience. I never

490
00:33:10.880 --> 00:33:15.160
had anything. Note, none of
the feelings like I had before, none

491
00:33:15.160 --> 00:33:20.240
of the sounds, nothing. And
like I said, it don't go out

492
00:33:20.279 --> 00:33:24.640
of your mind and you change.
I built a real sturdy blind out of

493
00:33:25.119 --> 00:33:30.079
scrap wood, knowing that probably it
wasn't gonna save me. It's gonna let

494
00:33:30.079 --> 00:33:32.000
me know something's trying to get me. If it was trying to get me

495
00:33:32.079 --> 00:33:36.240
from behind, right, it's gotta
tear something apart to get through me.

496
00:33:36.720 --> 00:33:40.960
Which there you go again. But
didn't have any experience at all. Stayed

497
00:33:42.000 --> 00:33:45.000
out in the woods there. We
had a pond there, pished at night.

498
00:33:45.079 --> 00:33:47.799
And you're talking about gents ain't hunted. That's how big the hills were.

499
00:33:47.880 --> 00:33:51.160
I know what when you talk about
gents ain't nothing. These guys are

500
00:33:51.160 --> 00:33:55.440
going brewery and steep places to go. So when you said that, I've

501
00:33:55.480 --> 00:33:59.960
done that, and I know what
kind of terrain that they that gens ain't

502
00:34:00.119 --> 00:34:04.480
rose on normally, and it's not
the easiest thing to get to. So

503
00:34:04.559 --> 00:34:07.239
anyway, I did all that there, and there was five hundred acres behind

504
00:34:07.239 --> 00:34:13.800
me that I could use when I
wanted to. No experience. So anyway,

505
00:34:13.880 --> 00:34:16.480
fast forward, Peyton comes home.
He says, hey, I got

506
00:34:16.480 --> 00:34:21.480
somebody that said I could hunt their
place, and I got you permission you

507
00:34:21.519 --> 00:34:23.639
can go with me. And what
it was just mainly for us to spend

508
00:34:23.679 --> 00:34:28.119
some time together. So I'm not
going out in the woods without a gun.

509
00:34:28.400 --> 00:34:30.440
I know it probably won't do any
good against something that big or whatever,

510
00:34:30.519 --> 00:34:34.920
but there's little creators that'll bite you. That's just what we've got them

511
00:34:34.920 --> 00:34:37.760
for. So we were hunting,
well, we were scouting. I said,

512
00:34:37.760 --> 00:34:39.400
we got to go scout this place. We got a couple of weeks.

513
00:34:39.920 --> 00:34:44.280
Do a quick scouting and go check
the fence lines for crossing, go

514
00:34:44.360 --> 00:34:46.199
check the water sources, the food
and all that. Get an idea of

515
00:34:46.239 --> 00:34:52.400
the ridges and on. And we're
walking to the backside of this place,

516
00:34:52.280 --> 00:34:55.960
and we're talking about it's on the
south end of this county, extreme south

517
00:34:57.079 --> 00:35:00.760
end, and you're talking about rural. When he brings up his hunting out

518
00:35:00.599 --> 00:35:06.599
that the housa erst for in between. So we're not thinking about anything.

519
00:35:06.639 --> 00:35:12.159
We're being scouting quiet, we're not
being hunting quiet. We're going along and

520
00:35:12.480 --> 00:35:15.440
all we start up this little rise
in this little stretch of woods behind this

521
00:35:15.519 --> 00:35:22.320
pond, and I noticed a tree
break. Okay, but tree breaks that

522
00:35:22.480 --> 00:35:28.400
happen. But something there's reasons either
somebody rides one down like a kid,

523
00:35:28.480 --> 00:35:31.119
are doing it a bend. And
we had any storm in ninety four,

524
00:35:31.119 --> 00:35:35.599
and I learned a lot about trees
and how they handle pressure. During that

525
00:35:35.679 --> 00:35:39.079
oy storm, and some bends,
some snaps, some come up by the

526
00:35:39.159 --> 00:35:43.559
roots. Some are made for that
and they handle it well. So I

527
00:35:43.599 --> 00:35:47.519
saw this sapling. It was I
don't know, three or four inches,

528
00:35:49.119 --> 00:35:52.880
maybe five, but it was absolutely
just snapped at about the five foot more

529
00:35:53.039 --> 00:35:58.159
give or take, and its splintered, high pressure snap, not a bend,

530
00:35:58.239 --> 00:36:00.760
not a bend, and a split
down it and then it gave way

531
00:36:00.880 --> 00:36:05.679
a break, short clean break.
It was pretty needed. It was still

532
00:36:05.880 --> 00:36:10.239
green white colored in the inside.
When I saw it, I pulled headed

533
00:36:10.599 --> 00:36:15.320
me and Peyton. We'd watched the
less strow stuff and tied and playing this

534
00:36:15.480 --> 00:36:17.440
and that, and I'm like,
I look, I'm thinking that's what that

535
00:36:17.440 --> 00:36:22.320
that's what they said that was.
So we stopped and I said, look

536
00:36:22.360 --> 00:36:27.840
around. We could not find any
reason. No other tree had fallen.

537
00:36:28.000 --> 00:36:31.079
There was no marks, there was
the bark wasn't scuffed where it could have

538
00:36:31.119 --> 00:36:35.599
been a tractor or a front endloader. There was. It was intact other

539
00:36:35.639 --> 00:36:40.960
than it was snapped and laying over. And what happens next is all at

540
00:36:40.960 --> 00:36:47.199
once. I stepped past that so
called marker up the hill. Page's looking

541
00:36:47.320 --> 00:36:52.760
up the hill. I'm at three
o'clock his three o'clock looking at the tree,

542
00:36:52.800 --> 00:36:57.119
and I stepped up the hill sideways
and turning, but still looking at

543
00:36:57.119 --> 00:37:00.840
the tree. My phone was in
my pocket. We're not saying anything,

544
00:37:00.400 --> 00:37:05.880
and seriously says, I don't quite
understand. And I grabbed my pocket right

545
00:37:05.960 --> 00:37:08.599
quick because we're in hunting mode kind
of. And I look at him up.

546
00:37:08.639 --> 00:37:13.679
What right is this is happening?
A rock about the size when you

547
00:37:13.719 --> 00:37:17.480
make a double fist together. A
rock. I could see it in my

548
00:37:17.559 --> 00:37:23.079
peripheral and it landed and it hit
another rock and bounced and rolled a little

549
00:37:23.079 --> 00:37:30.239
bit and just stopped in the on
this downslope and their seedter ticket just fifteen

550
00:37:30.280 --> 00:37:35.119
yards away or so, maybe twenty. And I looked at Peyton, and

551
00:37:35.239 --> 00:37:38.119
I'm thinking fast, like what is
this? What I do? What's my

552
00:37:38.159 --> 00:37:40.599
next move? I got my kid
with me, and he's old enough to

553
00:37:40.599 --> 00:37:44.360
take care of yourself. But if
I'd been by myself, I'd have been

554
00:37:44.360 --> 00:37:46.480
scared. Then I'm thinking, whatever
it is, I'm gonna take it head

555
00:37:46.519 --> 00:37:51.239
on and let him get away or
whatever that stuff cross your mind. The

556
00:37:51.280 --> 00:37:57.199
fact that was going through my head
was not normal either, because if you're

557
00:37:57.280 --> 00:38:00.639
you have a rock thrown at you, something has to have thumbs to do

558
00:38:00.719 --> 00:38:06.519
that. It's either a person or
it's something with a thumb, and that

559
00:38:06.679 --> 00:38:08.559
rules out a lot of stuff.
You, Maddie, you know how it

560
00:38:08.639 --> 00:38:13.679
sent your humor is? He said, Are we just going to ignore that

561
00:38:13.760 --> 00:38:16.639
we had a rock thrown talks to
us? I said, no, Peyton,

562
00:38:16.719 --> 00:38:21.360
I'm trying to cook up what the
next move is. And I think,

563
00:38:21.559 --> 00:38:24.039
I said I and we talked about
it, and we didn't feel threatened.

564
00:38:24.400 --> 00:38:28.400
Two backs. I didn't feel that
dread. Let's put that way.

565
00:38:28.599 --> 00:38:30.039
I said, I think we need
to back down the hill facing it,

566
00:38:30.199 --> 00:38:35.880
whatever that is. Don't run,
don't trigger anything. We get far enough

567
00:38:35.920 --> 00:38:37.079
away, we'll get out of here. We'll talk about this in the truck.

568
00:38:37.880 --> 00:38:42.159
And that's what we did. We
were talking about it. He said.

569
00:38:42.280 --> 00:38:46.159
The rock wasn't thrown at us like
a baseball. It was talked at

570
00:38:46.199 --> 00:38:49.840
us. He said, I saw
it come. He told me that it

571
00:38:49.960 --> 00:38:52.679
came through the seedar, through the
top of the cedar in an arc.

572
00:38:53.480 --> 00:38:57.320
So if something had been thrown at
us, it would have skipped more than

573
00:38:57.360 --> 00:39:00.760
two or three times. Is it
hit and rolled it didn't skip. There's

574
00:39:00.800 --> 00:39:06.639
a difference. You were ex police
officer you hear things. Some people can

575
00:39:06.679 --> 00:39:09.840
tell things by just hearing them,
whether it's a football where it's something fail,

576
00:39:10.000 --> 00:39:14.280
where it's you know, I have
to say he's pretty observant and I

577
00:39:14.639 --> 00:39:19.719
have some of that too. And
when we discussed it, we decided that

578
00:39:19.880 --> 00:39:25.119
this whatever was tost and maybe it
was whatever it was trying to get us

579
00:39:25.119 --> 00:39:30.280
to leave. But by a year
later we went back. We didn't go

580
00:39:30.360 --> 00:39:31.960
up to that part. We hunted
the rest of the We were hunted during

581
00:39:32.000 --> 00:39:37.119
the season, stayed away from that
side of that hill. Did smell a

582
00:39:37.119 --> 00:39:40.519
few things that did have that death
smell, but it was more like a

583
00:39:40.519 --> 00:39:45.039
wet dog mixed with decay. And
I had a seat with me, a

584
00:39:45.159 --> 00:39:51.039
fold out seat, and we were
walking in that morning before daylight. I

585
00:39:51.119 --> 00:39:53.360
told him where I was gonna set
up at and just out of his way.

586
00:39:53.639 --> 00:39:57.960
We were walking together and I just
stopped folding my seat out and sat

587
00:39:58.000 --> 00:40:01.000
down and stay tuned for more se
squatch out to see right back. After

588
00:40:01.079 --> 00:40:07.880
these messages, he kept walking.
He went up to the top of the

589
00:40:07.920 --> 00:40:12.480
hill, got to stand hit the
radio, said I'm in, I'm okay,

590
00:40:12.519 --> 00:40:16.039
it's okay, ten four, Just
keep be careful. I'm sitting there,

591
00:40:16.039 --> 00:40:20.079
and I get the moving around just
a little bit as it gets starts

592
00:40:20.119 --> 00:40:22.960
getting daybreak or whatever. And this
breeze picks up and hits me in the

593
00:40:22.960 --> 00:40:28.920
back of the neck, just a
light breeze, and for a split second,

594
00:40:29.000 --> 00:40:31.199
two seconds, maybe I get a
will of this. I'm not dead.

595
00:40:31.320 --> 00:40:36.280
Death is. It's different, like
decay, like something just funky and

596
00:40:36.320 --> 00:40:40.199
then with a wet for wet dog
smell. But it was there and then

597
00:40:40.199 --> 00:40:45.559
it was gone, and I'm slow. I'm slow up here sometimes and I

598
00:40:45.599 --> 00:40:49.199
thought, man, I'd sat down
here in a spot where something they had

599
00:40:49.199 --> 00:40:51.719
blow it to me. I want
the movie. Then it was gone,

600
00:40:51.800 --> 00:40:53.960
and I was like, wait a
minute. If it's dead, it's not

601
00:40:54.039 --> 00:40:57.920
gonna be moving. And the wind
didn't changed. So I got on the

602
00:40:58.039 --> 00:41:00.880
radio. I said, Peyton,
we got something going between us. Keep

603
00:41:00.880 --> 00:41:04.840
your head on swivel, just keep
look down my way. I don't know

604
00:41:04.880 --> 00:41:07.119
what it is, but it's funky. He spent up that a couple more

605
00:41:07.119 --> 00:41:10.480
times over the years. But we
went back to that location of the rock

606
00:41:10.559 --> 00:41:16.400
throwing incident a year later because I
thought about it a walk. Not think

607
00:41:16.440 --> 00:41:20.519
about that, right, So I
said, here's what we're gonna do.

608
00:41:21.000 --> 00:41:23.679
We're gonna go up there in the
off season and be still. It was

609
00:41:23.760 --> 00:41:27.880
fall, but we're gonna go up
there, and we're not gonna be quiet.

610
00:41:28.639 --> 00:41:30.960
I don't want to slip up on
something behinds and down again. I

611
00:41:31.000 --> 00:41:35.920
want everything in the woods. No, we're there and I'm carrying me a

612
00:41:35.960 --> 00:41:39.079
gun and you're carrying your gun,
and we're just gonna walk and look.

613
00:41:39.960 --> 00:41:45.559
Our first goal was to go up
the side the other side and come around

614
00:41:45.639 --> 00:41:50.519
behind that cedar tree that that little
dick get there. I was expecting it

615
00:41:50.559 --> 00:41:55.079
to be a lot of thick cedars
up hard to move around in. We

616
00:41:55.119 --> 00:42:00.360
were walking up the edge of this
field to the right of the property and

617
00:42:00.400 --> 00:42:02.760
there's a big opening that we've been
through a few times, just the natural

618
00:42:04.159 --> 00:42:09.679
natural game trail, but it's like
cows used it and everything before. And

619
00:42:09.920 --> 00:42:15.000
there's this cross made out of two
cedar trees. And I look at him

620
00:42:15.239 --> 00:42:20.679
like what the hell, and his
eye he's what is this Because we've watched

621
00:42:20.679 --> 00:42:22.559
those shows. So I snapped the
picture of that and I'm like, this

622
00:42:22.639 --> 00:42:27.199
is nuts. So we didn't go
past that though. We lacked our list

623
00:42:27.199 --> 00:42:30.280
and last night, so we went
up and around and when we went behind

624
00:42:30.280 --> 00:42:34.960
that cedar tree thicket. It was
wide open. There was a bowl back

625
00:42:35.000 --> 00:42:37.679
there that was as far as you
could see the top of that ridge,

626
00:42:37.480 --> 00:42:42.239
and it was just as big,
NOAs woods perf good hunting woods, because

627
00:42:42.280 --> 00:42:45.800
you could see forever. Of course, we always talk about stuff after,

628
00:42:45.079 --> 00:42:50.320
during and after, and I'm like, you know what if we'd walked fifteen

629
00:42:50.320 --> 00:42:52.719
to twenty more yards, this whatever
that was, couldn't got away from us

630
00:42:52.719 --> 00:42:57.440
without us seeing it. That was
totally the opposite what I was thinking.

631
00:42:58.159 --> 00:43:00.920
I said, maybe it was maybe
we did peru that reaction, but that

632
00:43:01.079 --> 00:43:05.920
Brian, I don't know. I'm
not an expert. I just know what

633
00:43:06.000 --> 00:43:09.920
happened. I've had air quote tree
breaks before where a lot of people would

634
00:43:09.920 --> 00:43:14.440
say, hey, I just heard
a tree snap. But you can hear

635
00:43:14.920 --> 00:43:21.159
the difference when something stepped on and
when something snapped if you're listening. And

636
00:43:21.199 --> 00:43:22.599
so the one time I thought back, and I'm like me and my cousin

637
00:43:22.639 --> 00:43:25.920
we had I shot a deer and
lost it and we found it at night

638
00:43:27.800 --> 00:43:30.920
and we were we located the deer, and I had this tree snap,

639
00:43:31.440 --> 00:43:35.360
and then I got to thinking about
it playing it back. No, that

640
00:43:35.519 --> 00:43:38.480
was a something that could have been
a mountline or something coming in for that

641
00:43:38.639 --> 00:43:43.400
to get that deer, and it
was something big, but it was a

642
00:43:43.400 --> 00:43:47.679
footstep and the subtle differences in in
that. But you can tell also,

643
00:43:47.800 --> 00:43:51.719
you can tell we've got a place
we go to now that we had stuff

644
00:43:51.719 --> 00:43:54.719
happening. I'm not saying anything about
anybody. There's a lot of inexperienced people

645
00:43:54.760 --> 00:43:58.679
that misidentify things, and that's okay. That's how you learn. If you

646
00:43:58.719 --> 00:44:01.920
ask somebody knows. I'm sure you've
been sitting around with squirrels dropping nuts on

647
00:44:01.960 --> 00:44:06.360
top of your head and you can
hear them. You can hear if something

648
00:44:06.559 --> 00:44:08.159
falls out of a tree like that, it'll usually hit a leaf or a

649
00:44:08.239 --> 00:44:12.880
limb coming down and it falls straight
down. Now, if they start rolling

650
00:44:12.920 --> 00:44:15.559
out to you, then you've got
other issues. We've got another piece of

651
00:44:15.559 --> 00:44:21.280
property through family that we've had some
crazy stuff happened. I actually I've got

652
00:44:21.320 --> 00:44:25.559
a about a five minute video and
Mark Newbill took it a couple of weeks

653
00:44:25.599 --> 00:44:30.119
ago actually and went through it and
we heard we had some sounds that we

654
00:44:30.199 --> 00:44:35.440
had this bright idea of the gift
because we'd heard some footfalls and some we'd

655
00:44:35.480 --> 00:44:39.039
smelled some tomatoes sitting there at night. Had some strange things happen there.

656
00:44:39.039 --> 00:44:43.639
For about six weeks, we had
a lot of activities, not eveny sighting,

657
00:44:43.719 --> 00:44:47.559
but enough to make us keep going
back. And this next part I

658
00:44:47.679 --> 00:44:52.480
joke big Foot don't like oranges,
apparently because I thought it's something. I'm

659
00:44:52.519 --> 00:44:57.000
sorry five games I made something mad. So it was either the apples of

660
00:44:57.039 --> 00:45:00.760
the oranges or it maybe because we
were going in there too often too.

661
00:45:00.199 --> 00:45:05.079
But I have a video with audio, and you've got a tree snap.

662
00:45:05.719 --> 00:45:08.719
You have what what we thought was
a boulder that was tossed. There's a

663
00:45:08.760 --> 00:45:13.280
huff and a growl, and an
iPhone is pretty good. But as far

664
00:45:13.320 --> 00:45:17.199
as for sounds, it's it doesn't
catch the you know how loud it is.

665
00:45:17.800 --> 00:45:22.440
So I was really impressed that Mark
pulled these sounds out of there.

666
00:45:22.559 --> 00:45:25.239
And he had the I don't know
what is it a grouse or some kind?

667
00:45:25.679 --> 00:45:28.920
Yeah, and so what it does? You know how it works.

668
00:45:28.960 --> 00:45:31.519
It'll tell you what it's not a
lot of times or what it is,

669
00:45:31.760 --> 00:45:36.360
but depending on where it falls.
He called me, he said we need

670
00:45:36.360 --> 00:45:38.280
to talk. I said, okay. He said some of this stuff,

671
00:45:38.360 --> 00:45:40.599
he said, it does sound like
a tree break as I know that's what

672
00:45:40.679 --> 00:45:44.519
it was. And he said,
but these howls that you're talking about,

673
00:45:44.800 --> 00:45:46.840
he said, there's two of them, and you respond to them. You

674
00:45:46.920 --> 00:45:51.719
and Paint both respond to them.
And you're right. You say it's not

675
00:45:51.800 --> 00:45:54.480
a it's not a coyote. That's
strange, he said, But there's two

676
00:45:54.519 --> 00:45:58.920
that you don't hear. I'm like, oh, and now this is his

677
00:45:59.199 --> 00:46:01.239
this is what he told me.
I'm not he said. The way this

678
00:46:01.280 --> 00:46:05.639
works, he talked about the number
of the range that stuff falls in a

679
00:46:05.719 --> 00:46:07.840
corridor slamming or woolf for a cold
year old bull or whatever. He said.

680
00:46:07.840 --> 00:46:10.440
It's none of that, he said, But what it falls into the

681
00:46:10.559 --> 00:46:15.840
range of is what we usually look
at film that we think it is more

682
00:46:15.920 --> 00:46:20.400
or less legit, and compared to
other sounds that people say are legit,

683
00:46:20.719 --> 00:46:23.599
he said, it falls in that
range of what we think would be a

684
00:46:23.679 --> 00:46:28.440
bigfoot. And so I sat down
on the bed and I'm like, well,

685
00:46:28.559 --> 00:46:30.760
at the time, I was pretty
sure there was something big. We

686
00:46:30.800 --> 00:46:35.880
could hear it walking, and it
may be more than one because the calls

687
00:46:35.920 --> 00:46:39.079
are two different directions. I was
watching it for the first time. The

688
00:46:39.199 --> 00:46:44.440
duration of the call is almost the
same every time, but it's different,

689
00:46:44.760 --> 00:46:46.880
and I never had heard anything like
that. And from Mark to tell me

690
00:46:46.920 --> 00:46:52.239
that I don't know. I'm trusting
him with his nut reading the numbers or

691
00:46:52.280 --> 00:46:57.719
whatever, and I assume he's done
a lot of this. Somebody told him

692
00:46:57.719 --> 00:47:00.519
I had it and he contacted me. But it's on I'll share it.

693
00:47:00.559 --> 00:47:02.920
I'll share it to you. I've
got it on YouTube. I'll send you

694
00:47:02.960 --> 00:47:06.599
the link afterwards and let you listen
to it and what he did the old

695
00:47:06.639 --> 00:47:10.519
five minutes so you can see our
reactions and here be there with us.

696
00:47:10.559 --> 00:47:14.639
So he's got the video running too
at the same time. And there was

697
00:47:14.679 --> 00:47:16.840
a few things that happened before.
That is why I turned the camera on,

698
00:47:16.960 --> 00:47:22.679
because that hoof growl, there was
so much a volume of air coming

699
00:47:22.679 --> 00:47:28.159
out of what it sounded like two
nostrils that it's scared. He did me

700
00:47:28.199 --> 00:47:30.960
a favor and took out some cuss
words that I didn't realize. I said,

701
00:47:31.639 --> 00:47:36.679
and here I again, I've got
my son out there and this is

702
00:47:36.719 --> 00:47:38.880
going on. And we got back
to the truck and plugged it in to

703
00:47:38.920 --> 00:47:43.679
turn the speakers wide open. And
when I started hearing those sounds, I

704
00:47:43.840 --> 00:47:46.559
was like, yes, they may
not be that clear, but men,

705
00:47:46.760 --> 00:47:50.960
that's what we heard. That's all
I needed. I didn't need anybody to

706
00:47:51.000 --> 00:47:52.880
hear it. We caught it,
We got it on film. It's scared

707
00:47:52.920 --> 00:47:57.199
to crap up of us. It
happened, and you saw how big he

708
00:47:57.320 --> 00:48:00.159
is. He said, I'm not
going back in there again. But anyway,

709
00:48:00.320 --> 00:48:05.280
we've had some strange things happen.
Then some of it goes along with

710
00:48:05.639 --> 00:48:08.400
the research we've done in reverse and
everything. And since I told my story

711
00:48:08.480 --> 00:48:13.239
is the first time and you've probably
dealt with this more than me. But

712
00:48:13.280 --> 00:48:17.039
I was astonished at the amount of
local people and people contacting me and saying

713
00:48:17.079 --> 00:48:21.559
hey, not only hey, I
saw or heard something, or I found

714
00:48:21.599 --> 00:48:27.320
this or that, the ones that
say thank you for telling your story because

715
00:48:28.199 --> 00:48:31.519
I can't tell anybody because of my
child. But the main thing is it

716
00:48:31.559 --> 00:48:35.920
made me understand what I heard and
what happened to me. Then they're like,

717
00:48:35.920 --> 00:48:37.679
hey, word, I need to
go look, and they trust me

718
00:48:37.719 --> 00:48:42.760
because I cannot. I wouldn't do
that to anybody. You lose your trust,

719
00:48:42.760 --> 00:48:45.039
lose trust, that's all you've got. My dad told me, all

720
00:48:45.079 --> 00:48:49.119
you have. He's the only thing
you own in this world is your reputation,

721
00:48:49.480 --> 00:48:52.320
and then no amount of money can
get it back for you. People

722
00:48:52.360 --> 00:48:54.559
that want to listen those sounds.
I'm not telling you what it is.

723
00:48:55.079 --> 00:48:58.760
It says, hey, this is
here. If you're an expert, you

724
00:48:58.840 --> 00:49:00.840
tell me what it is. But
we got it. That's all you can

725
00:49:00.880 --> 00:49:04.880
ask for. Because if I had
a clear picture right now, one in

726
00:49:04.880 --> 00:49:08.119
my backyard hanging out with me,
wouldn't nobody believe it? A picture in

727
00:49:08.159 --> 00:49:13.639
a video. They're not going to
prove anything to these skeptics or the scientists.

728
00:49:14.360 --> 00:49:16.519
You know what it's going to take. And until that happened. I'm

729
00:49:16.519 --> 00:49:21.880
gonna make a prediction tonight, whatever
the date is, because I've seen some

730
00:49:21.880 --> 00:49:25.599
stuff. I've been trusted and showing
some stuff on phones and stuff like that

731
00:49:25.679 --> 00:49:31.920
people will not share because of the
naysayers. They're gonna pick it apart.

732
00:49:31.960 --> 00:49:37.079
They're gonna call them liars, they're
gonna whatever. I've seen some things on

733
00:49:37.880 --> 00:49:43.239
trail cams that I could see the
veins, the tendons absolutely stunned. Look,

734
00:49:43.559 --> 00:49:45.920
I'm skeptic. I saw one.
I have stuff happened to me.

735
00:49:46.000 --> 00:49:51.599
But my first thing is to rule
out or try to explain it away.

736
00:49:51.800 --> 00:49:53.599
And then if I can't explain it
away, then I've made Hey, Brian,

737
00:49:53.679 --> 00:49:57.079
who do you think this is?
If I know somebody might know,

738
00:49:57.440 --> 00:50:00.639
that's how I try to do this. And I'm make a prediction tonight that

739
00:50:00.800 --> 00:50:08.440
once science proves that it's for real, you're gonna see some amazing video pictures

740
00:50:08.519 --> 00:50:14.480
come out because those people that are
holding the back right now because the trolls

741
00:50:14.559 --> 00:50:17.360
on Facebook and on social media,
they're hurting their self. They want to

742
00:50:17.440 --> 00:50:22.480
learn all this stuff. But it'll
tell you prove yourself to people that you

743
00:50:22.519 --> 00:50:25.280
can be trusted and that you're in
this for the right reason. You'll never

744
00:50:25.320 --> 00:50:30.119
see it unless you go get it
yourself. And that's just my prediction now.

745
00:50:30.199 --> 00:50:32.079
May be wrong, and y'all can
laugh at me ten years both.

746
00:50:32.559 --> 00:50:37.360
And I'll tell people this. That
was my first convention, whatever you call

747
00:50:37.440 --> 00:50:40.079
it. And we were sitting at
a table because they didn't have enough place

748
00:50:40.239 --> 00:50:44.400
to sit over to eat, and
there was this older man. He was

749
00:50:44.679 --> 00:50:46.880
there. We got to talking.
Peyton went to the restroom and I said,

750
00:50:46.960 --> 00:50:50.239
why are you here? Are you
a fan of the show? That's

751
00:50:50.239 --> 00:50:52.760
what I started. When are you
fan of the show or whatever? He

752
00:50:52.880 --> 00:50:55.079
said, No, he said,
actually I had something to show Matt Moneymaker

753
00:50:55.639 --> 00:50:59.639
and he's coming to my place.
He took they took my information down.

754
00:51:00.679 --> 00:51:02.400
There was the clearest trackway on it, like a tarred chip road. You

755
00:51:02.480 --> 00:51:05.920
live in North Carolina, you know
what a torret chip road is. You

756
00:51:05.960 --> 00:51:08.159
know, in the summertime when they
get hot, if a dump truck comes

757
00:51:08.159 --> 00:51:10.400
out there there, they'll they'll mash
it down a little bit. It gets

758
00:51:10.480 --> 00:51:16.480
soft because the heat. Something walked
out of it after a rain walked out

759
00:51:16.480 --> 00:51:21.199
of his driveway he was walking his
dog. There was about twenty tracks.

760
00:51:22.159 --> 00:51:27.519
The left foot was clear as they
it had some kind of gray clay ash

761
00:51:27.639 --> 00:51:31.519
type fine stuff on the foot.
The right foot wasn't his defined, but

762
00:51:31.559 --> 00:51:35.920
there was. He said. It
was about six foot in between the strides.

763
00:51:36.599 --> 00:51:38.079
By the time he got researchers there
was a couple of weeks, had

764
00:51:38.119 --> 00:51:42.440
rained on it a couple of times, but it was so compacted into that

765
00:51:42.599 --> 00:51:45.039
tarred chip, I don't know,
asphalt or whatever it was. Still you

766
00:51:45.039 --> 00:51:50.320
could still see it. And I
could clearly see left right, left right,

767
00:51:50.719 --> 00:51:54.440
And I was just stunning and what
this man had and it. He

768
00:51:54.480 --> 00:51:58.800
wasn't a big footter, he said. He showed it to Matt and Matt

769
00:51:58.920 --> 00:52:00.599
eyes got big. So where do
you lived? He said, fifteen minutes

770
00:52:00.679 --> 00:52:05.559
from this convention sent which might have
been fifteen miles. It takes me two

771
00:52:05.599 --> 00:52:07.920
hours to go fifteen miles in the
mountains. But but yeah, seeing that,

772
00:52:08.639 --> 00:52:13.159
there you go again. I'm not
trying to be convinced. I was

773
00:52:13.199 --> 00:52:15.519
so glad that Peyton got to see
that, because he's heard things, and

774
00:52:15.519 --> 00:52:20.960
he said things happen to see that. There was these nobs people out there,

775
00:52:21.480 --> 00:52:23.840
And I tell you what I want
to listen to. Somebody hid the

776
00:52:23.880 --> 00:52:29.199
story told to me and this guy
never I asked him, you ever watched

777
00:52:29.199 --> 00:52:30.840
to find him midfoot? No?
You ever look at YouTube? No you

778
00:52:30.840 --> 00:52:34.440
ever do this? No, he
wasn't a researcher, wasn't. He just

779
00:52:34.480 --> 00:52:38.199
had an experience that was pretty pretty
awful. And he didn't know about the

780
00:52:38.199 --> 00:52:40.840
screams and all that. So that's
when he came to me. When he

781
00:52:40.920 --> 00:52:45.119
heard me at work. They found
out that I had talked on a podcast

782
00:52:45.199 --> 00:52:49.400
or whatever, and I expected him
to laugh at me. And the first

783
00:52:49.400 --> 00:52:52.599
thing they said in office and he
needed to talk to Jimmy. I'm like

784
00:52:52.159 --> 00:52:55.239
to I, why do I need
to talk to Jimmy? And Jimmy said

785
00:52:55.239 --> 00:52:58.679
he saw a big foot and I
said, y'all need to talk to Jimmy.

786
00:52:58.760 --> 00:53:00.480
So I go to him. And
he was in the military thirty five

787
00:53:00.559 --> 00:53:05.599
years ago. He said at Procidan. There's a edc over Colonna, Tennessee.

788
00:53:06.280 --> 00:53:12.360
They were guarding the train tracks the
entrance to the base there. And

789
00:53:12.559 --> 00:53:15.320
he said there was five gunner stations
and there was four of the guys with

790
00:53:15.440 --> 00:53:19.760
him. There were singles and they
were guarding the tracks, he said,

791
00:53:19.840 --> 00:53:22.039
Roger, and the moon was bright
enough. We were you know, we

792
00:53:22.039 --> 00:53:25.239
didn't have any lights or anything.
We're sitting there being quiet. He said,

793
00:53:25.239 --> 00:53:28.880
I saw something coming from the left. It was on the tracks,

794
00:53:29.679 --> 00:53:32.360
walking in between the tracks. And
I told you their story and he said

795
00:53:34.239 --> 00:53:37.440
it was huge and I got to
looking at it, and he said the

796
00:53:37.480 --> 00:53:38.639
only thing could be was a big
foot. And he said, this is

797
00:53:38.719 --> 00:53:42.559
nonchalant, he said, and it
must have been a female because they had

798
00:53:42.559 --> 00:53:45.320
a baby. It was carrying a
baby. You know. Me, I

799
00:53:45.400 --> 00:53:47.360
was like, I'm like, if
you watch, he shows you what you

800
00:53:47.400 --> 00:53:51.159
know what he was. He know, he didn't know anything about the end

801
00:53:51.159 --> 00:53:53.880
of this, and he had talked
to the other guys and they confirmed what

802
00:53:53.920 --> 00:53:59.000
they saw, but they decided not
to tell anybody. So anyway, he

803
00:53:59.119 --> 00:54:00.880
was talking and I'm like, I'm
gonna ask him a question he's not expecting.

804
00:54:00.880 --> 00:54:04.639
I'm gonna get his reaction. I
interrupted him. I said, how

805
00:54:04.760 --> 00:54:07.960
was she carrying the baby? And
he'd leaned back and he said, I

806
00:54:07.960 --> 00:54:09.920
guess caring is the wrong word I've
been using all these years, he said,

807
00:54:09.920 --> 00:54:14.639
because the baby was latched on to
the shoulder, holding on, and

808
00:54:14.719 --> 00:54:16.440
she just had her hand under it
to keep it from just in case it

809
00:54:16.480 --> 00:54:21.800
fail. And I was thinking,
yes, if he'd been lying, he

810
00:54:21.840 --> 00:54:25.199
would have made that up. But
he even thought herself, maybe I've been

811
00:54:25.280 --> 00:54:29.000
using the wrong word all this time
because she wasn't carring it that baby.

812
00:54:29.400 --> 00:54:31.880
It's been fun, it's been interesting. It's been a little scary too,

813
00:54:32.519 --> 00:54:37.159
But once you get into it,
like you, I heard you today talking

814
00:54:37.320 --> 00:54:39.679
with Byron. Do you hear these
sounds? You hear things that you think

815
00:54:40.199 --> 00:54:45.000
maybe what it is. It's like
Peyton, he wants to know and he

816
00:54:45.039 --> 00:54:47.320
don't want to know. He said, yep, he said. He said,

817
00:54:47.320 --> 00:54:51.239
I'm I'm different. He said,
I'm I want to see one and

818
00:54:51.280 --> 00:54:53.199
I'm done with it. I'm doing
other stuff. He said, once I

819
00:54:53.320 --> 00:54:58.639
confirm it in my head, I
don't know anymore. And then he gets

820
00:54:58.639 --> 00:55:02.039
to listen listen all this other stuff
with the woo stuff and everything, and

821
00:55:02.280 --> 00:55:07.960
he's like me, I keep an
open mind because he said something that was

822
00:55:07.079 --> 00:55:10.599
very smart. He said, Daddy, I gotta keep an open mind to

823
00:55:10.679 --> 00:55:15.360
that, because he's an animal person, always has been Steve, from Steve

824
00:55:15.400 --> 00:55:19.159
watching Thieve Irwin growing up to studying
animals. He can say, hey,

825
00:55:19.159 --> 00:55:22.679
you've ever seen a main wolf from
South Africa away or whatever? And they

826
00:55:22.719 --> 00:55:25.360
look like and I'm like what,
and he will tell me something like just

827
00:55:25.400 --> 00:55:30.159
as random fact, we were coming
back from the conference, he said,

828
00:55:30.199 --> 00:55:32.079
I gotta keep an open mind because
we heard some stuff like that up there

829
00:55:32.079 --> 00:55:36.239
too. And he said, and
the reason I got to keep an open

830
00:55:36.239 --> 00:55:37.639
mind is he said, can you
imagine the first floe would come back?

831
00:55:37.719 --> 00:55:43.079
After saying a chameleon Trying to explain
to his buddies, he said, if

832
00:55:43.079 --> 00:55:45.960
a chameleon and an octopus can change
colors, what can some of this other

833
00:55:45.960 --> 00:55:50.119
stuff do that we don't know about. And I'm like, holy crap,

834
00:55:50.639 --> 00:55:52.400
that's a good way looking at it. Like I said, I have some

835
00:55:52.440 --> 00:55:57.199
coffee, so I'm probably talking too
much. No, that's been great man.

836
00:55:57.079 --> 00:55:59.960
And to his point we've talked about
that so many times on the show

837
00:56:00.280 --> 00:56:05.280
is I don't necessarily think some of
the high strangeness or the woo part of

838
00:56:05.320 --> 00:56:08.719
Bigfoot that enters in some of these
encounters is that far out there, because

839
00:56:09.320 --> 00:56:12.760
we don't know what these things can
do, and what they can't do,

840
00:56:12.840 --> 00:56:15.280
and frankly, what they are.
So that's why I keep an open mind,

841
00:56:15.360 --> 00:56:19.440
even when it's really out there,
like one of the recent shows that

842
00:56:19.440 --> 00:56:23.119
I've had. We won't get into
that, but people have some really out

843
00:56:23.159 --> 00:56:27.920
there strange experiences, and I don't
close my mind to any of that.

844
00:56:28.199 --> 00:56:30.559
I think it's possible, like you
said, chameleons and some of the other

845
00:56:30.599 --> 00:56:35.679
things that exist in nature. The
first time that somebody saw a platypus,

846
00:56:35.760 --> 00:56:37.400
can you imagine trying to go back
to your fishing buddies and saying, Hey,

847
00:56:37.440 --> 00:56:40.880
I was fishing in this weird little
thing that laid an egg and it's

848
00:56:42.039 --> 00:56:45.280
crazy man. That's probably where cave
growlings came about, because they laughed at

849
00:56:45.320 --> 00:56:51.079
I'm like, then we could find
it later from your previous work experience,

850
00:56:51.760 --> 00:56:53.519
I could see something you could see
something. It's like witnesses. If you

851
00:56:53.519 --> 00:56:55.840
have seven witnesses, you're in trouble. If you've got two, you're probably

852
00:56:55.840 --> 00:57:00.280
gonna be. Okay. I could
see something and I describe it, and

853
00:57:00.320 --> 00:57:04.239
I'm gonna have a lot of words
and I'm gonna describe. Then I'd say

854
00:57:04.320 --> 00:57:07.960
I saw this bubble. Then you
have the guy that says, Brian says,

855
00:57:07.239 --> 00:57:10.480
did you see a big foot?
He said, and it was big,

856
00:57:10.639 --> 00:57:15.880
And that's it. And we interpret
things differently, whether it sounds or

857
00:57:15.400 --> 00:57:22.320
whatever. And that's why you've gotta
be you gotta rein it in sometimes because

858
00:57:22.320 --> 00:57:25.719
everything's not a big foot, everything's
not whatever. And you can get that

859
00:57:25.760 --> 00:57:30.519
way if you're out here in the
woods. Even knowing better. Sometimes I've

860
00:57:30.599 --> 00:57:35.599
learned so much about other animals in
the last six months that's worked it to

861
00:57:35.679 --> 00:57:37.920
me. I've had to go I've
heard stuff and had to go look at

862
00:57:37.960 --> 00:57:40.840
YouTube and Peyton's and notes that's or
whatever. I'm like, no, and

863
00:57:40.840 --> 00:57:44.519
he's to go right to YouTube.
So yet listen, he's right on top

864
00:57:44.559 --> 00:57:47.159
of it. So I didn't know
it make that sound. So I'm learning

865
00:57:47.320 --> 00:57:51.960
a lot doing this, and as
long as it don't get torn to pieces,

866
00:57:52.000 --> 00:57:53.559
I guessed it to be a good
It's okay, But I don't go

867
00:57:53.599 --> 00:57:58.599
into this. I know I'm not
gonna get that piece of evidence it's going

868
00:57:58.719 --> 00:58:00.719
on. If you got out here
like Cliff and all these guys that are

869
00:58:00.760 --> 00:58:05.880
actually casting foot prints, and I've
never found a foot print, I wouldn't

870
00:58:05.920 --> 00:58:09.800
know unless it was just real obvious. It's more or less still just trying

871
00:58:09.840 --> 00:58:14.679
to learn things and spending time in
the woods when my signe and my wife

872
00:58:14.719 --> 00:58:17.480
she'll go sometimes. And like I
said, I don't need convincing. I

873
00:58:17.519 --> 00:58:21.079
really don't know why I'm doing it. You get cooked on it a little

874
00:58:21.079 --> 00:58:23.320
bit. For me, man,
it's just the stories and the connections with

875
00:58:23.519 --> 00:58:28.320
people. I love meeting people and
having conversations with people, Like I met

876
00:58:28.320 --> 00:58:30.800
you and Peyton for the first time
in Tennessee and we became fast friends,

877
00:58:30.840 --> 00:58:35.440
man. And it's really about the
connections that I've made with people that have

878
00:58:35.519 --> 00:58:37.239
followed me throughout this, and I've
talked about it so many times on the

879
00:58:37.239 --> 00:58:40.639
shows. I've met people I'll probably
be friends with for the rest of my

880
00:58:40.679 --> 00:58:45.199
life that I would have never even
had the opportunity to talk to. We'd

881
00:58:45.320 --> 00:58:50.360
never have met had it not been
for this show and Bigfoot, So if

882
00:58:50.400 --> 00:58:52.159
nothing else comes out of it,
in my opinion, for me, for

883
00:58:52.199 --> 00:58:55.440
the rest of my life, I
will continue to meet and hang out with

884
00:58:55.480 --> 00:58:59.679
some of the coolest people on Earth. Man. So I really appreciate you

885
00:58:59.719 --> 00:59:01.280
coming on and sharing your stories.
Man. I had a blast hanging out

886
00:59:01.320 --> 00:59:05.239
with you guys and the Smokies,
you and Peyton. Like I said,

887
00:59:05.239 --> 00:59:07.119
we're up. I like for my
weekend and I can't thank you enough for

888
00:59:07.199 --> 00:59:10.679
coming on and spending the time that
you spent tonight sharing your information and your

889
00:59:10.719 --> 00:59:15.079
stories. Man. I appreciate you
allowing me too, because because some of

890
00:59:15.079 --> 00:59:19.800
this of us, this is like
therapy in our way where you get it

891
00:59:19.800 --> 00:59:22.679
out there, or there may be
people that hadn't heard my story maybe people

892
00:59:22.679 --> 00:59:25.840
that have. And it's all in
the timing because, like I said,

893
00:59:27.000 --> 00:59:31.480
before twenty twenty five years ago,
people couldn't talk about this stuff because of

894
00:59:31.480 --> 00:59:37.679
obvious reasons. But shows like Monster
Quest, Find the big foot Sasquatch Odyssey,

895
00:59:37.719 --> 00:59:44.280
whatever, it's normalized it to a
point where gives people a little more

896
00:59:44.519 --> 00:59:47.280
confidence that they can come to Brian
and say, hey, I need to

897
00:59:47.320 --> 00:59:51.599
tell you something. And you probably
get people that say I want to tell

898
00:59:51.599 --> 00:59:52.599
you something, but I don't want
to be on the area and you might

899
00:59:52.639 --> 00:59:57.119
can relay it, but those are
the pieces of the puzzle I was talking

900
00:59:57.159 --> 01:00:01.440
about. You can say, hey, this was in certain county in Alabama,

901
01:00:01.920 --> 01:00:05.880
but if you have researchers, then
say what time of year it was,

902
01:00:05.920 --> 01:00:07.800
what was going on? It may
be that piece that they need.

903
01:00:08.000 --> 01:00:13.119
So yeah, it's it's a little
freeing. And I appreciate you for and

904
01:00:13.239 --> 01:00:15.519
allow me to talk about this.
And I know there's some people gonna be

905
01:00:15.599 --> 01:00:20.719
like piece of beloved or whatever.
But if you want to know, find

906
01:00:20.760 --> 01:00:23.360
these places. You A lot of
these people are going to public land.

907
01:00:23.960 --> 01:00:29.119
Go talk to these people before you
judge them, because there's some very intelligent

908
01:00:29.239 --> 01:00:34.400
people doing this way above my level. But that's how you learn. If

909
01:00:34.400 --> 01:00:37.039
you're around people that are dumber,
then you you're not gonna learn anything you

910
01:00:37.079 --> 01:00:40.320
actually get down there with them.
So if you were going to learn how

911
01:00:40.360 --> 01:00:43.280
to play the guitar, what do
you do? You go to somebody that

912
01:00:43.280 --> 01:00:45.199
knows more than you did. That's
how you do it. It's good for

913
01:00:45.199 --> 01:00:47.800
me because most everybody knows more than
I do. So I've been a good

914
01:00:47.840 --> 01:00:54.079
spot right now. They say you
don't gotta go home, but you just,

915
01:01:00.039 --> 01:01:27.639
Oh, I don't want to be
alone the world out that I'm trying

916
01:01:27.760 --> 01:01:34.920
to try that time everything Come right
back, ride baby my joy for me,

917
01:01:36.000 --> 01:02:27.000
Joy, stay right now, I'm
coming right away. Days sassoutout for

918
01:02:27.199 --> 01:02:52.639
me, come talbot about things and
uses us and use us and uses