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Hello, ladies and gentlemen, and
welcome back to the Alien Retrospective. I'm

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the clown Prince of war Paint Tress
now, and I'm joined by I am

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the pure cinematic Cricklin Cancer. Hey, I am Dolmas. I am l

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Luna taylor Field. What does that
mean? Hunter's Moon? Okay, why'd

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you also be the accent on?
Just the English? It's so good,

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good soul a sim and we have
entered a very interesting time. Obviously,

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we are getting ready for Alien Ronaliss
that does come out in August. This

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this particular episode is dropping the same
week of Deadpool, so we got Deadpool

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Wolverine coming up, we got Comic
Con coverage. Check out side Quest.

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We just did a great kind of
dream roster of what would Disney do if

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they were making a smash multi versus
game of fifty characters. Lots of debate,

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lots of heavy day debate. Does
the Predator and Alien make it in

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there? I don't know, you
have to check it out. And then

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Geek First Day is having August third. I'll tell you more about some stuff

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later, but yeah, this episode
is dropping. Usually it's not, but

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we were a little behind because we
had some other stuff record these past few

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weeks. But if you're listening to
this right now, you begin Prometheus ad

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Free right now. That's not coming
out for another two weeks because the feats

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are gonna be very busy. So
if you want to start getting too that

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route, go to over there.
But yeah, so this is an episode.

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I guess. I canna say anticipate
it. It's anticipated, I guess

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for different reasons because I feel like
since the cast has started, Alien Predators

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always come up, but definitely AVP
has come up once or twice, and

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you know, we're almost here at
a decade nine years were coming up in

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just a couple of weeks here,
So somehow we finally got here. And

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usually I leave him last, but
we throw it to Taylor Field first on

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his thoughts, because I feel like
he's been waiting to do this one maybe

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since we started podcast, ever since
we maybe covered one thing that was Alien

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and or Predator, whether it be
a trailer game. He's like, oh,

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one day we're gonna get there,
and we said one day we would

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do it. We did the Predator
retro years ago, we're doing this and

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finally here we are July twenty third
twenty twenty four, Taylor, we were

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here so you get the floor is
yours? What do you think about a

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VP? Where was the first time
you saw it? And obviously what you

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think about it now is we usually
in the retro. I'm just glad that

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we snuck this in because I feel
like I had to fight for it to

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get it in here to the Alien
retro. Wait, but this was my

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first experience with Alien was watching AVP. I was very young and we still

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had vhs at the time. My
dad brought the AVP back from the movie

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store because we're renting it when that
was a thing, and so you still

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know Alien. This was the first
Alien I watched. I've watched a few

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Predator movies beforehand, and then this, like Alien scared me when I was

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little. I can't remember how little
I was, but it was just the

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concept I knew that they go and
they cover your face and they impregnant you.

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All that just terrified me. So
this was kind of like me getting

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my foot in the door because it
also had predators in there. So it

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was like, Okay, I can, I can, I can get on

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board with this, and so that's
exactly what happened. I remember watching it

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and just the one scene in particular
was when it's the chest burst breaking out.

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That was the one that terrified me
the most. But I was able

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to conquer it and get over it
and eventually get into Alien after this.

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So this movie, though, God, I love it. I love it

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so much. It's just fan freakantastic. It has just the fact that we

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got multiple predators. As a little
kid saying this, this is like the

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Bee's knees and getting to see how
they're like the ships and stuff like that.

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And I never saw the unrated version
until much later, which, even

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though it's only a few extra minutes
of footage, it was still pretty cool

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just to kind of see a couple
couple extra little scenes in there. But

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yeah, I think that this movie
is great. It's it totally slaps hard

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and I will always always just if
it's playing on like the TV, I

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will sit down and watch it.
It's not something I necessarily would just have

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as background and I would just be
focusing on doing something else. Like if

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I see this on TV, I'm
gonna actively watch it because it's always just

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such a good time and I can
really just get on board with the adventure

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and how crazy things are, and
the final battle you get in this movie

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is just fucking awesome. I love
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It is not, but damn it's
It's nostalgically amazing for me, and it

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has a special place in my heart. So yeah, I just think that

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it's it's just great. It's just
really really great. I love it.

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And it's fun too because it pulls
certain things from the other alien movies that

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we've had before, which I think
is which is great. It introduces some

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new things as well. But I'm
glad that even though it's a very controversial

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film The Predator, it still is
being recognized because you have things from this

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movie that appear in The Predator,
which is pretty pretty nice. So particularly,

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yeah, the alien tail spear.
I see, Well okay, sure,

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yeah, okay, yeah, like
they're gonna get that from anywhere,

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right, But I get I get
what you mean that it's still it's still

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popped up Preditor. I guess it's
still kept it around where Alien was like

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we're gonna, we're gonna, we're
gonna move past this. We're not We're

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not gonna go back there. So, uh, is that all your thoughts

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are Taylor yeah, for now.
I just there's there's so much so that

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I can't wait to talk about,
and I'm scared to hear your guys is

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I'm curious what the unrated versus rated
version, because I don't know what version.

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I think we all watched the unrated
to be honest, I think that's

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what became public with the alternate intro. Well, I don't know. I've

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only seen this movie maybe like twice, just in a stripper joint. That's

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the unrated version. The unrated intro
basically starts off where it's like the the

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whalers and they're being chased by the
predators in their whaling station. Interesting,

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I've never seen that. What's the
opening of the regular version? The regular

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is ask because this movie start to
seep out of my mind already. I

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don't really remember. I just remember
the whaling station that's on your fair movies.

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Come on, what's going on here? Okay, dyl muss anythink about

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Alien Versus Predator two thousand and four, two thousand and four. Yeah,

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the first time I saw this movie
was on Monday, Big History precise souh.

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Yeah, I'm a little late to
the party here, and honestly,

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watching through. There was a couple
scenes that I'm like, oh, maybe

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this was on TV when I was
a kid, like my dad was watching

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Bike or yeah, or maybe I've
seen a screenshot on Reddit or a gift

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or something of some just truly ridiculous
scenes that happened. I was sending you

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some stuff. Watch the scene,
Dylan, Yeah, just one scene at

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a time. I'm kind of piecing
it together, trying to go the puzzle

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of it. He send it backwards
though, Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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so I had to unravel it all
yesterday. But yeah, I'm glad that

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I finally watched it. This has
always been one that felt like, oh,

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that's like a legendary movie. Not
like the quality of it, but

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just like that concept is is cool
and like an arrow when crossovers weren't just

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everywhere like they are these days.
So it's an interesting idea. I had

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a fun time watching this movie,
like it's it's it's a fun popcorn flick,

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like this is a classic, like
just go to the theater, turn

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your brain off, have a good
time sort of movie. Because that likes

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It's not like one I'm gonna be
rewatching frequently. But I think for the

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for the most part. I think
I had more fun with this than the

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last couple Alien ones, honestly,
just because it knows how stupid and over

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the top and silly it is,
and there aren't a lot of slow moments.

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Like I thought, the pacing of
this movie is actually really good.

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I think where the points that it's
weaker are man just some of the lore

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set up here. It's like,
I want to picture this as a what

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if scenario, and from that perspective, it's like, Okay, that's weird,

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zany and kind of interesting. But
if this is actually can into Alien

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that I hate it. I hate
all of that. I think this movie

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has like just the weakest characters out
of any of these movies that we've done

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so far. Like, you know, even in the weaker Alien stuff,

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you always have Ripley, who's crushing
it, and then there's usually like whoever

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the android is of that movie is
always crushing it, and there's like maybe

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one or two other characters have some
good moments. I don't think anyone in

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this movie has a single interesting moment
from a character's perspective. Even the protagonist

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is so vanilla and has no personality
to her and like the only personality is

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just like my dad starved on the
mountaintop, Like it's just like some really

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lame backstory to make you care about
her, I guess, but she has

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no other personality, So I don't
know. I had a fun time with

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this one. But if I when
we get to the rank rating stage,

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like this is gonna be it's not
a quality film in that way, it's

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not gonna be a timeless one for
me and not on I'll be rewatching.

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But I would, honestly, I'd
rather rewatch this an Alien two, three,

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or four, I think if I'm
forced to rewatch one of those.

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So that's kind where I'm at,
all right, I'll go because I'm gonna

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leave Kirkland's anticipation, because Kirkland's always
going to say, oh, yeah,

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I loved him, Like, well, let's see happens when you rewatch it.

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So yeah, Dylan, your last
seven of like oh, like if

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you had to rewatch this first the
other ones, I will never ever rewatch

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this movie against me. You'd have
to find some pretty particular weak movies for

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me to pick this up. I
unfortunately not have fun with this in the

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sobad, it's so good way.
I was just almost annoyed for an hour

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and a half. Granted, a
cool fight scene, but a cool fight

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scene a good movie does not make
Yeah, the lower stuff is just it's

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just it's just awful. I don't
know who was sitting around when that was

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the pitch of things like it just
feels like it's such an easy concept,

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and that's what I appreciate myself.
And I'm gonna be biased like the Freddy

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versus Jason fans like, and that's
where I come from. My first time

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I saw this non theaters. I
think I saw this because I liked Freddy

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Versus Jason. I don't think I
was needing Alien versus Predator, But as

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I go, I like that,
rented it once and then it just never

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really stuck with me. I've maybe
seen it like like what they don't say,

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like on a TV spikes I fight
like somewhere, but never a full

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watcher. So I really didn't have
a much good memory of it. I

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just remember if I was anything pre
two thousand and six, if I watch

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it and stick with me, I
just take that as it must have not

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been good because I was I was
watching any shit and be like this was

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the best ever and now I'm all
like, oh, you know, not

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so much. So for me,
this was it was not a good time.

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These characters are just bottom of the
barrel. They're just they're all there

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for exposition. That's literally what they
are. They're just there for exposition.

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They do the cardinal sin where it's
like Godzilla or Transformers, where we gotta

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have a bunch of humans and these
fucking movies when really we just want to

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see the alien the predators fight,
and that's why he's trying to get to

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a fravrus Jason. They find a
pretty easy situation. Freddy goes into Jason's

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dream, wake them up. They're
gonna fight. Oh look at that,

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that's it. There's no Oh,
Freddy was there from day one. He's

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Jason's father. Jason' says, it's
just these characters are honest, same path.

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They're gonna fight and we'll get there. So some of those choices I

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hate when they do that type of
stuff. I dislike the finale because we

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have a human character with this the
whole time, so like, get really

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hate for the alien versus predator.
It's like alien versus preader versus female doctor

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and it's just like, all right, this is. This is what it

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is. Yeah, this is this
is I think hyperbolic of me saying,

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like, one of the worst movies
ever some uncle that far, but one

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of the worst franchise movies ever.
I'll throw on it the way I say

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about Suicide Squad. Where what do
you think of big IP movies? Man?

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This is I Like, I get
why I don't know about Predder,

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I guess, but I get why
Scott rig like Reret Conn and Cameron and

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him hate this thing. Like I
couldn't even imagine. I feel so bad

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for Ridley Scott. You make Aliens
and like thirty years later you're watching this

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and you're like Homeland in the like
just like a massacre of it. So,

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yeah, I don't have a single
positive thing to say about this movie.

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It's this is. I think this
is worse than any Predator movie we

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did in the retro. And I
don't even at least be requiem. I'm

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not even prepared because that one I
remember even less. So I'm not even

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prepared at least the thing that happened
in the end. I was like,

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okay, if they don't give me
that, like that's an easy layup,

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And they did that so yeah,
I just felt like this could have been

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a lot easier and they overstuffed it. This would have been probably a nice,

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good short film, but of course
it wouldn't do that. Yeah.

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Not was not a fan of this
experience. And I'll never watch this movie

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ever again. Yeah, very very
interesting. Okay, Yeah, there's a

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big history movie for me, Like
this is definitely one of the early family

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like BBDs or VHS whatever we had
it on, Like this was just a

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rotation movie for me. Like I've
probably seen this movie no less than like

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twenty five times in my life.
So yeah, and Taylor said, this

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was like you said, this is
the first time experiencing Alien. This is

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my first time experiencing Alien or the
Predator, so like this is this is

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the origin for me for these characters, and man it's Bonnie Travis you mentioned

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of like there's many times in history. I don't know about movies that we've

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done on the retro or like just
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I love this movie as a kid. I love it so much. I

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have so much just so many fond
memories. And then I rewatch it and

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I'm like, oh no, like
why did I do that why did I

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rewatch it? Why can't I just
keep those happy memories? And I will

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say this movie is definitely not that
I can love this movie. I truly

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truly love this movie. You guys
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like, because I rewatched it so
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stuff, and because I didn't really
know about predator or alien, like none

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of that bothered me as a kid, And because I rewatched it so many

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times, I just kind of remembered
the scenes or maybe lines or interactions with

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characters that I really enjoyed, and
on this viewing, like those still really

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hit for me. So so that
was a nice, nice realization, not

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like, oh I misremembered that quote
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lines in this movie that just like
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And that's like how deep this movie
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Yeah, So yeah, I truly
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there is a couple of moments that
I remember being like the pinnacle for me

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for thinking back on this movie,
Like this was the best scene ever.

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I fucking love this moment very specifically
with the Predator and the human like when

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they team up. I just remember
that being like my favorite thing very much

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did not hit this time around.
I'm like, oh, this is actually

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really cheesy and corny and I really
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like the first act and like them
actually getting the location, like I that

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still is ten out of ten to
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So yeah, this is gonna be
an interesting retro to do. We're

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pretty split because yeah, I love
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of my rankings on how this is
gonna go for the Aliens of because like

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Alien four, Alien three, like
this is just I would rewatch this movie

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a thousand times over those ones.
So yeah, that's my strong state end

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of the day. But yeah,
no, it very much still hit for

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me this movie, and I hadn't
seen it since maybe it's funny probably like

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early podcast day, like or like
maybe or maybe like right before the podcast

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started, like that was the last
time I seen this movie. And it

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was in a hotel room, like
it was just on TV, and I'm

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like, yeah, I'm just gonna
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yeah, man, AVP, I
love this. I will say AVP two.

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I started watching it and I turned
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movie, so that'll be interesting when
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did not like the opening of it
when I watched it way back in the

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day. So we'll see. We'll
see A wanted it like yesterday. Oh

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no, no, no, sorry, like the first time I watched it

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because I love this movie and then
I'm like, oh a v P two,

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finally let's do this, and didn't
like the opening, so but ev

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P one, man, that's cinema. Oh boy, what a situation.

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Where do we I want to start
the lore because I didn't speak to that

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when you guys dive into a I
love this backstory, I really do.

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Holy crap, It's it's simple and
what more could a kid wan? It's

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like, oh my god, predators
taught humanity how to build, like this

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is fucking awesome, build the pyramids
and everything. I forgot about that.

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I was just in with the aliens. If I forgot about the stupid god

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like the predators putting the aliens in
this temple. Oh, I think that's

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I think it's great. I think
it's totally fine. It totally worked for

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me. I thought you guys meant
the history of the Predators just foul planet,

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and then we're using humans as tributes
to like the Great Aliens to hint.

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I think it's totally fat. I
think it just discounts both. That's

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what That's what I hate about this
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trying to hurt the original films,
which I like much much more. And

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I come from a different camp.
Right if I had seen those and then

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this one wasn't really in my life
right, Like I've said before, like

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in film class, I had to
watch and study AA like these are the

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ones I grew up on versus this. And that's where it's just like the

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Predator thing. It's supposed to feel
like this really cool special thing when Predator

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comes and there's Dutchess Clan they're hunting
and what's this thing? And just the

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fact that well, actually they've been
here the whole time, that makes that

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not feel special, which luckily now
I'm old enough where it's okay, this

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doesn't really matter and they've wreckonedo all
this stuff. So it's just like like

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dllnside, it's like a what if
and the alien thing. I just feel

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like, whoever wrote this movie really
likes Predator because I feel like Alien gets

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the shit in the stick throughout the
most of the movie. Oh that time,

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and when the alien bodies those two
predators, it's just like Predator all

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the way. Predator is a good
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with this. There's another example I
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It's just it feels like whoever wrote
the final script loves Predator and really had

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a bias. It's like if I
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You're like, but that's not the
best the opposite, to be honest,

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because the two predators got killed within
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yeah, and then proceed they get
the aliens get their asking the rest of

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the movie, even by the the
doctors. One alien kills one alien kills

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two predators. Though that's luck,
that's bias there. I don't know,

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no, but I see the rest
of the movie. Rest of the movie

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happens, Travis, How can you
write a story where like humans pair up

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with zenos, Like if you're gonna
pick you, don't you don't exactly simply

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don't, like it makes so much
more sense for the zenos to be the

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threat that everyone would be going.
You don't do that either way either you

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don't have the first don't have humans. You have the humans, but not

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this Like again, this happens with
Transformers and god Z also when they become

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the main characters. It's like,
that's like, there's a way to watch

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Favors Jason. There's a way to
have human characters in there and then to

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put them on a trajectory to fight
with one another. Not to have this

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doctor up and about doing these things, having this mini story, I don't

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know, you keep calling explore doctor
whatever. Having her she has to get

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the we gotta have a two met
scene where she gets the war pain and

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she's getting like fucking putting the predators
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As I'm watching the movie, it's
like that's her. It's just like

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it's such especially because the movie is
like only our forty, like you could

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save them the budget. It's just
like, you don't have to do these

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things with these humans. I have
a question that hopefully masters who have seen

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this movie twenty five times can can
help me figure out. So I like,

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when is the earliest point in humanity
that that I guess that is shown

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in the movie of like the Predator
going there and like providing I don't know,

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I guess tech info. But then
also just like going there to train,

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like it's like thousands or millions of
years ago, right, Like it's

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it's way thousands. Yeah, let's
say it's like, yeah, like the

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dawn of those pyramids that they're like
it was like the two before Mexico or

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something like that. Yeah. So
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like if in this time the alien
the aliens aren't changing or evolving or becoming

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stronger or smarter, because anytime that
they are smart enough or strong enough to

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take out whatever predator is sent there, they like just do the wipe.

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They wipe them out. But then
it's presumably, from what I can understand,

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always the same queen that they throw
back in the ice bath, and

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then they bring her out again when
they're ready to start spawning. More so,

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like from the predator's perspective, when
they're you know, presumably evolving and

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getting better tech, Like what do
they have to keep gaining from fighting the

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same enemy over and over again?
Is the idea that it's like it's cool.

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So it's like, oh, if
you're a Grade three Predator and you're

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learning to fight, it's like,
go do your alien training. That's exactly

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it. That's exactly so basically these
are these are young bloods, is what

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their rank is. And so them
going in and doing this hunt is them

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basically achieving that next step in their
clan. So this is them getting there

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of course of thousands of years,
though, like, don't the predators get

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better tech? And like, wouldn't
they just make this enemy like they would

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be build tech presumably that would help
them fight threats like this. So wouldn't

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their tech just get to a point
where there's like nothing to be gained from

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fighting the same enemy who's not Like
that's where it depends. That's where it

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depends because you have you have different
clans. You have let's look at predators

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where you have those super guys that
are basically like okay, they're the ones

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that are advancing their tech trying to
be like the most perfect refined killers in

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this case with this clan, Yes, the tech is up there, the

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tech is getting better, but the
plasma casters that's like a peak predator weapon.

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But in order for them to get
those those guns. They got to

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go through fight aliens hand to hand
with whatever arsenal they have on their person,

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and then they get the gun and
then they get out of there.

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That's basically it. So, yes, there is more technology, but it's

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not about giving these guys like state
of the art tech because they need to

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prove themselves, right, If that
answers your question, Yeah, I mean

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I have not seen a lot of
predator stuff, so like I don't understand

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all their motivations, like my understanding
pre like they just want to keep fighting

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stronger enemies and kill them, and
that's like their whole existence for life,

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you know, Like that's like that's
like what peoples them as a race.

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there to be said then of like okay,

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this is like used as like a
training planet for them, and then

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like since they have the backup plan
of the exploding whatever thing, that's like

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their contingency planning case things ever go
awry. And then at the end of

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this obviously there's like the I don't
I guess the cliffhanger where the aliens like

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on board that ship. Right,
So this is when presumably like this finite

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thing where they've been doing cyclically over
and over again, would cease to happen

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anymore. But also kind of seems
like they're not really going there frequently enough,

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like kind it seems like they just
come visit humanity every like a few

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thousand years, Like wouldn't like all
the plan like come here to train then,

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Like I don't know how many predators
there are in a clan, Like

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maybe it's just like five every three
hundred years or something. I'm not sure

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there's there's a lot of predators in
this clan, but uh it's I don't

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have a number count. But you
can just see at the end, you

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can see there's there's a big ship. But uh, it's every hundred years

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is when their calendar is set.
Uh, Now prayers can live for hundreds

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of years. So again, I
don't know, I don't know exactly how

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the logistics. Very curious what kind
of lore stuff is in a v P

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two, Like I just want to
see an expansion of that because they're gonna

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double if they're gonna I don't know, I guess gamble hard on this big

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concept. I want to see how
they're gonna kind of evolve it in a

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sequel where you have to be wild. It seems like peak intensity for what

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you could do. And we go
back to Earth. We go back to

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Earth on EVP two. So it's
that they're coming and your mind, Taylor,

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So they do this thing because I'm
I'm sure you're somebody counts as canon

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for yourself, right, you're all
fine with this is how the Aliens are

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create everything, right, Aliens are
created? Well, they create the aliens

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to fight them, right, Oh
yeah, yeah, yeah, So that's

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what I mean. So this is
is this your canon? When I was

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younger, I kind of looked at
it in a way like can I head

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cannon this? So it fits with
Alien But the story just for me never

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fits. I just see this as
just another tale in it because you have

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Lance Hendrickson alone just kind of like
debunks that being canon because sposed to be

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he's supposed to be a descendant,
that's what he's supposed to be. That's

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a big thing. Even in like
the twenty ten game, you have an

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android who is Lance Hendrickson and he's
he believes he's a descendant of Whalen.

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Like there's he's just like the the
alien face. I guess I can say

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him and sing Gourney, you know, both of them being like, oh,

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I don't know if I'll come back, and they both continue to come

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back for these things. You know, Lance, I'll only come back to

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this little scene, Sigourney, you
know, all in comeback for this.

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I'm just gonna so when you watch
Predator, like the first one, you

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don't consider this canon to that,
do you? Because I was just gonna

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ask like, why would the predators, who have you know, their gods

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just there and here on Earth they
conquer apparently doing they're doing alien rituals with

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humans and stuff. Why would they
come to Los Angeles or the jungle to

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hunt Arnold Schwartz Snegger when they've been
fighting aliens for years? You know,

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I think, and again it's totally
up to your own interpretation. You have

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different types of predators, different groups. Now that Los Angeles tribe, I

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think they call it like the Lost
Tribe, very small, very isolated predator

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group. And again I think it's
just a matter of there was an incident

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in this movie where things got out
of control, so they detonated the nuke

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and the whole civilization was wiped out, and that's when things they kind of

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obviously simmered down and kept these things
more low key. It looks like,

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I don't know if they took a
long break to let humanity kind of recuperate

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a bit. I don't know,
but they're still doing their rituals. But

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obviously they had to slow things down. Now that's because this is their own

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group of predators. I think that
with humanity kind of evolving and getting more

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dangerous and disregarding the predators like being
their own technology, I think then okay,

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predators see humanity as being worthy as
trophies and worthy to hunt, whereas

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before we're just looking at very basic, uninvolved humans that have sticks, that

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are worshiping us as gods, like, Okay, well, you guys will

405
00:26:04.200 --> 00:26:08.079
use you in our in our hunt
to get our real prey, but we're

406
00:26:08.079 --> 00:26:11.440
not gonna hunt you because you guys
aren't worth our time. And now you

407
00:26:11.519 --> 00:26:15.000
jump ahead two thousand years humanity in
Los Angeles, like you got fucking guys

408
00:26:15.079 --> 00:26:21.079
like that score beyond doing fucking cocaine
out the ying Yang and Uzzi's and stuff

409
00:26:21.119 --> 00:26:23.039
like that. So it's very confusing
if you put prey in there, because

410
00:26:23.039 --> 00:26:26.319
then they are here hundreds hundred a
year before Arnold and whatnot, and they

411
00:26:26.359 --> 00:26:30.319
still got their ass kicked a predator, right, they would have been Yeah,

412
00:26:30.400 --> 00:26:34.000
just under three hundred years before Arnold, But again that's still two thousand,

413
00:26:34.079 --> 00:26:37.880
like seventeen hundred years before. Like, that's still a long, long,

414
00:26:37.920 --> 00:26:40.960
long time and a lot of time
between. And we also know that

415
00:26:41.000 --> 00:26:44.359
the predator from Prey is a very
different predator which we know nothing about.

416
00:26:44.680 --> 00:26:48.920
But he's very different from what we've
seen so far. You got lots of

417
00:26:48.960 --> 00:26:52.599
predators that are warring ast each other
and clans and disputes and all that.

418
00:26:52.759 --> 00:26:55.400
So in that movie with Shortzenegron,
I'm guessing he like, does he kill

419
00:26:55.400 --> 00:26:57.759
a predator or yeah, you survive
successful? Yeah, So is that is

420
00:26:57.759 --> 00:27:00.880
that all the answer your question?
Then? Trevis? Like, if he's

421
00:27:00.039 --> 00:27:04.079
strong enough to kill a predator and
that justifies any other predators wanting to come

422
00:27:04.240 --> 00:27:07.519
to fight humanity? Yeah, I
would get wrong as an alien physically,

423
00:27:07.839 --> 00:27:11.799
we got the brains. Maybe I
would get Los Angeles like the sequel to

424
00:27:11.880 --> 00:27:15.319
and I just wouldn't get on the
first predator of Hey, if we've been

425
00:27:15.599 --> 00:27:19.359
killing aliens for years, why do
these humans seem so dangerous? You know?

426
00:27:19.440 --> 00:27:22.720
Well, I mean I feel like
if you just like, obviously a

427
00:27:22.759 --> 00:27:26.640
lot of the it's chicken in the
egg situation. I guess if a lot

428
00:27:26.640 --> 00:27:30.279
of like Earth's best tech or you
know, things that we've discovered are given

429
00:27:30.319 --> 00:27:33.240
to us by the predator like get
from this, yeah, maybe, but

430
00:27:33.240 --> 00:27:37.960
obviously that's also isolated. It's like, Okay, this specific people from like

431
00:27:37.000 --> 00:27:40.599
these parts of the world where they're
doing this thing, that's where they're getting

432
00:27:40.720 --> 00:27:42.319
tech from. Yeah, but I
guess if like they're coming back like that

433
00:27:42.559 --> 00:27:45.920
once again, these clan. It's
hard for me to follow these clans because

434
00:27:45.920 --> 00:27:48.920
I've not seen any of these movies. But if they're if they're coming back

435
00:27:48.960 --> 00:27:52.519
every hundred, few hundred years,
a few thousand years, and they're seeing

436
00:27:52.559 --> 00:27:56.799
like wow, humanity is evolving much
quicker than we're seeing on like other planets

437
00:27:56.799 --> 00:28:00.519
that presumably they're going around hunting people
on I feel like that to them would

438
00:28:00.519 --> 00:28:03.440
be a reason to go fight humanity, just saying like, wow, these

439
00:28:03.440 --> 00:28:07.000
guys have made these humongous cities from
the last time we saw them, they

440
00:28:07.000 --> 00:28:11.480
were in like little huts in the
woods. So maybe that's like why they

441
00:28:11.480 --> 00:28:14.799
think, oh there they must be
hunt them. They must Yeah, they

442
00:28:14.880 --> 00:28:17.880
must be a good trophies, I
guess then is there then yeah, once

443
00:28:18.039 --> 00:28:19.200
one of them dies to a human, then it's like, okay, these

444
00:28:19.200 --> 00:28:26.480
are formidable opponents here. There's this
is kind of like a slight not a

445
00:28:26.480 --> 00:28:30.200
spoiler, but AVP two. You
see, Okay, you know predators have

446
00:28:30.240 --> 00:28:33.480
been hunting even dinosaurs, that's one
thing. And I think maybe you even

447
00:28:33.480 --> 00:28:37.480
see that in the Predator too as
well with the trophy case. But they've

448
00:28:37.480 --> 00:28:41.240
obviously known about Earth for a long
time, hence the you know, teaching

449
00:28:41.319 --> 00:28:44.759
humans how to build, so they
should you could say, at this point,

450
00:28:44.799 --> 00:28:48.799
we know predators have been coming to
Earth since like sixty five million years

451
00:28:48.839 --> 00:28:52.160
ago, hunting dinosaurs, and now
all of a sudden they you know,

452
00:28:52.319 --> 00:28:55.039
the asteroid Hits wipes out the planet
and like, okay, we're gonna just

453
00:28:55.039 --> 00:28:56.400
go away. And then they you
know, they're flying by, like holy

454
00:28:56.440 --> 00:29:00.160
shit, we got humans here.
But to look at what's going on,

455
00:29:00.240 --> 00:29:03.680
at least in the first Predator,
I think you have this one predator who

456
00:29:03.680 --> 00:29:08.119
shows up during the hottest seasons,
and you got drug cartel and just a

457
00:29:08.119 --> 00:29:11.640
lot of guys in the jungle with
guns doing bad things, and so that

458
00:29:11.720 --> 00:29:15.799
conflict and that's something that's a reoccurring
theme, especially in Predator too. They

459
00:29:15.799 --> 00:29:22.119
talk about it where I think it's
uh Buc's characters talking about how it's it's

460
00:29:22.240 --> 00:29:29.759
the the heat and the the war
torn like the action, the chaos,

461
00:29:29.880 --> 00:29:33.359
all that kind of stuff that really
pulls them in to kind of like go

462
00:29:33.559 --> 00:29:36.000
for that hunt. They want to. They want to see the war that's

463
00:29:36.079 --> 00:29:38.160
going on and see who the strongest
is and that's their target and that's who

464
00:29:38.200 --> 00:29:45.039
they prize after. I don't remember
where we started with this conversation talking through

465
00:29:45.039 --> 00:29:48.640
all that. Like I think,
from the Predator's perspective, I think it

466
00:29:48.799 --> 00:29:55.119
is an interesting concept. I think
for me where I really hate this the

467
00:29:55.319 --> 00:29:59.720
implementation of it in this movie is
just like the alien side of it.

468
00:30:00.039 --> 00:30:03.000
I like that that is a very
mysterious creature that is kind of like,

469
00:30:03.200 --> 00:30:06.519
as far as we know, just
comes from this one planet and then just

470
00:30:06.960 --> 00:30:10.000
you know, only way it gets
off is sneaking through on these small like

471
00:30:10.119 --> 00:30:12.240
human ships and whatnot. And I
don't know, I like for me seeing

472
00:30:12.319 --> 00:30:17.759
that shot of like the zoomed out
pyramids and there's just hundreds of aliens sprawling

473
00:30:17.839 --> 00:30:22.839
over these things, it just it
just rubs me the wrong way. I

474
00:30:22.960 --> 00:30:26.079
just like, I like how one
alien can be such a strong menacing force,

475
00:30:26.119 --> 00:30:30.839
and I just I just don't like
how it's like it's the same issue

476
00:30:30.880 --> 00:30:33.799
I would, you know, throwing
back to Star Wars episode nine here,

477
00:30:33.839 --> 00:30:37.640
where it's like, well we did
one star destory, let's do one thousand

478
00:30:37.720 --> 00:30:40.680
star destory. Let's just kind of
rack it up like just over and over

479
00:30:40.759 --> 00:30:42.319
othern coming up with like new fresh
ideas. So I don't know, I

480
00:30:42.720 --> 00:30:45.920
don't like that angle of it.
Like I think I would have liked it

481
00:30:45.000 --> 00:30:51.079
if the predators had found maybe the
Aliens like once upon a Time or something,

482
00:30:51.119 --> 00:30:52.599
or maybe there's like deviations different factions, but I don't like, these

483
00:30:52.599 --> 00:30:56.440
are like the same aliens that we've
seen elsewhere, kind of takes away that

484
00:30:56.599 --> 00:31:00.799
what makes those one special for me. Yeah, and then being the Creators

485
00:31:00.839 --> 00:31:03.240
to me is like another reason why
I feel people like I feel like so

486
00:31:03.319 --> 00:31:07.839
the predators, especially bread the aliens
no way, it's they just have a

487
00:31:07.960 --> 00:31:11.319
queen captured, and that's yeah,
I took it. They just let the

488
00:31:11.400 --> 00:31:14.880
queen go, they zapper, and
then it gets to figure out like harvest

489
00:31:14.920 --> 00:31:19.519
them like cattle. Essentially, I
guess they're just still they're still birthing them

490
00:31:19.559 --> 00:31:23.680
on Earth all the time. And
it's the cows. Is that what we

491
00:31:23.799 --> 00:31:29.599
do do? We birth chickens like
animals. But I don't have attachment to

492
00:31:29.680 --> 00:31:36.640
them as a cinematic masterpiece. But
no, but I just it comes down

493
00:31:36.720 --> 00:31:40.519
to they're doing that. And my
point is the way you're talking about them

494
00:31:40.559 --> 00:31:41.920
like cows. Aliens should not be
like cows. They should not be a

495
00:31:42.000 --> 00:31:45.240
cow that you can cows. There
are cows in this movie. Yeah,

496
00:31:45.480 --> 00:31:52.240
this cows. They're just they're they're
training dummies, is what I don't like

497
00:31:52.319 --> 00:31:55.759
about it. They're just like cannon
fodder has sent the predators into like a

498
00:31:55.880 --> 00:31:59.640
couple of lucky ones. But that's
that's even the cases let's say the first

499
00:31:59.720 --> 00:32:04.000
alien and now we don't necessarily know
exactly why this engineer ship has these eggs,

500
00:32:04.039 --> 00:32:05.839
but people have looked at it like, oh, it's just supposed to

501
00:32:05.920 --> 00:32:07.839
Lanta planet, drop the eggs and
let the aliens go rampant. And maybe

502
00:32:07.880 --> 00:32:12.880
that's something that's explored again in Prometheus, which we'll talk about these ships drop

503
00:32:13.279 --> 00:32:16.279
these bio related ds. But that's
in the first one. The first one's

504
00:32:16.319 --> 00:32:19.880
all up to interpretations. So that's
why it is. Yeah, there's people

505
00:32:20.039 --> 00:32:23.359
that like Prometheus and don't like Prometheus
for that reason because you answered one too

506
00:32:23.400 --> 00:32:27.119
many things, right, and that's
Alien. You can say, oh,

507
00:32:27.200 --> 00:32:29.720
yeah, because we got Prometheus.
But if you're cutting all the rest of

508
00:32:29.720 --> 00:32:31.279
them out, Alien doesn't answer any
that. It's just like, say,

509
00:32:31.279 --> 00:32:36.279
it's a mysterious thing that where this
comes from within's egg which jump the shark

510
00:32:36.279 --> 00:32:37.680
to some extent by the time this
movie comes out, with some of the

511
00:32:38.000 --> 00:32:40.880
Alien follow up movies, and for
me, it's it's saying with critiques of

512
00:32:42.000 --> 00:32:44.599
like the other sequels, when they
have the Aliens and they've used them a

513
00:32:44.680 --> 00:32:45.640
cat on, they got them all
locked up like we talked about before,

514
00:32:45.640 --> 00:32:49.480
where it's like all these things don't
seem scary as much now when they got

515
00:32:49.480 --> 00:32:52.799
the two together and they're making these
dumb decisions, like when they start to

516
00:32:52.880 --> 00:32:54.519
take that a lower away. That's
not just move this movie, it's some

517
00:32:54.599 --> 00:32:58.720
of those sequels as well. And
that's where I think, especially with Alien,

518
00:32:58.720 --> 00:33:00.680
because predators are hunters, which it's
funny because they go invisible and they

519
00:33:00.759 --> 00:33:04.039
have that mystique. But every time
in the halfway point of the movie,

520
00:33:04.079 --> 00:33:06.599
they lose that, then the preters
just out where I feel like, Alien

521
00:33:06.640 --> 00:33:08.240
you always got to keep that.
And then when I just see three Aliens

522
00:33:08.319 --> 00:33:12.119
versus one hundred of them, it's
like, well, how strong are these

523
00:33:12.119 --> 00:33:14.920
Aliens really? You know? And
even then I feel like the humans in

524
00:33:15.000 --> 00:33:17.519
this even are more so powered than
some of the sequels. But I digress.

525
00:33:17.599 --> 00:33:21.559
Yeah, I feel like I just
I hold something special about the Aliens

526
00:33:21.599 --> 00:33:24.200
as a creature to some extent,
And maybe that's my shortcoming here, but

527
00:33:24.279 --> 00:33:28.960
I yeah, I think this is
really cool as a what of scenario,

528
00:33:29.039 --> 00:33:32.440
But I really really dislike it as
like if this is the true canon of

529
00:33:32.559 --> 00:33:37.359
Aliens, and when in all these
other Alien movies, you have all these

530
00:33:37.400 --> 00:33:40.240
companies searching for these things far and
wide that there's actually just so many bones

531
00:33:40.279 --> 00:33:43.920
of them on planet Earth that we
could have just gone like, ah,

532
00:33:45.079 --> 00:33:46.440
it just rubs me the wrong way. But as a what if scenario,

533
00:33:46.519 --> 00:33:50.079
I think the more we've talked about
it, the more I think it actually

534
00:33:50.200 --> 00:33:53.279
is like a really sweet concept.
Yeah for me, now that we've gone

535
00:33:53.319 --> 00:33:58.599
through and like, I've seen all
the Alien movies and just rewatched the first

536
00:33:58.680 --> 00:34:02.480
Alien like many times over since my
first viewing of this, I definitely just

537
00:34:02.559 --> 00:34:07.319
treat it as a what if scenario. I feel like especially it's interesting because,

538
00:34:07.359 --> 00:34:09.639
like for me, the fact that
we have aliens as cattle and the

539
00:34:09.679 --> 00:34:14.000
predators are hunting them, like,
I love that concept. I feel like

540
00:34:14.039 --> 00:34:19.239
we've seen different versions of xeno morphs
as well, Like in Aliens, every

541
00:34:19.400 --> 00:34:22.800
one alien feels a lot less powerful
than the one alien from Alien one,

542
00:34:22.960 --> 00:34:27.599
and that's just because we have the
one to deal with for the entire movie,

543
00:34:27.599 --> 00:34:30.440
and it's a very claustrophobic situation.
But when you add you know,

544
00:34:30.679 --> 00:34:34.679
in that movie, maybe there's fifty
in this movie, like we literally see

545
00:34:34.760 --> 00:34:39.239
thousands at one point in the flashback, and it definitely brings down the power

546
00:34:39.320 --> 00:34:45.559
level of every one. And I
don't know, I think I'm fine with

547
00:34:45.840 --> 00:34:47.679
even if I have to head candidate
that these are just these are just like

548
00:34:47.760 --> 00:34:52.960
I don't even know version one of
the Xeno Morphs and or like a nerve

549
00:34:52.039 --> 00:34:55.800
down version of the Predators. I
don't think that they've really messed with their

550
00:34:57.039 --> 00:35:00.360
splicing or like really bred them.
It's really they just have a quick and

551
00:35:00.440 --> 00:35:04.760
then they're able to just kind of
milker for some eggs for some training dummies

552
00:35:04.840 --> 00:35:07.840
to just go in there and pop
off. And I love that concept that

553
00:35:07.920 --> 00:35:14.679
the aliens just have this training pyramid
essentially that they they just spawned some dummies

554
00:35:14.719 --> 00:35:16.440
and then they send in the young
bloods to go pop off. And that's

555
00:35:16.519 --> 00:35:21.159
just such a fun concept to me. And I feel like if just that

556
00:35:21.679 --> 00:35:27.559
is very it's very not over over, like what's like, it's not a

557
00:35:28.039 --> 00:35:30.880
huge concept I think to have,
Like it's a pretty easy idea, idea

558
00:35:31.079 --> 00:35:37.519
idea. You have just these these
super badass predator hunters that just come here

559
00:35:37.679 --> 00:35:42.960
to hunt a really really powerful foe. So I think that's great when we

560
00:35:43.079 --> 00:35:45.960
got the flashbacks of yeah, like
that they're like our creators or I guess

561
00:35:45.960 --> 00:35:51.559
they're not really the engineers. They're
more so just givers of gifts like sour

562
00:35:51.639 --> 00:35:57.039
on the wise, But like,
I really don't like that concept, especially

563
00:35:57.119 --> 00:36:00.239
now again, like Travis, you
brought the comparisons of like the First or

564
00:36:00.239 --> 00:36:04.199
a movie, Like when you think
of just certain things, I don't know,

565
00:36:04.480 --> 00:36:08.880
certain ways that we've interacted with the
predators in the past. It you

566
00:36:08.960 --> 00:36:13.679
know, you could definitely play Devil's
advocate and find a way to explain certain

567
00:36:13.880 --> 00:36:16.920
shortcomings of how that would work.
But I just I just don't like that

568
00:36:17.039 --> 00:36:20.840
concept at all. I like it
a lot more that they're just they're just

569
00:36:20.880 --> 00:36:25.280
an alien species out there. That
is. It's like side question, but

570
00:36:25.280 --> 00:36:29.760
it's related, just since I haven't
watched all these predator stuff and if this

571
00:36:29.840 --> 00:36:31.880
is the thing in a VP two, don't spoil it. But is there

572
00:36:31.960 --> 00:36:38.199
other tales I guess of predators capturing
other strong creatures and then like breeding them

573
00:36:38.320 --> 00:36:43.679
like they did here, because you
would think in theory, like once they

574
00:36:43.760 --> 00:36:46.559
find like a formidable opponent, that
they would just be doing this with all

575
00:36:46.599 --> 00:36:51.719
this It's risky for some you know, if they can evade that capture.

576
00:36:51.760 --> 00:36:54.760
But in this case, since they
had the ability to set up that eject

577
00:36:54.800 --> 00:36:58.960
button essentially of that huge explosion that
goes off and kills all the aliens if

578
00:36:59.239 --> 00:37:01.119
things go awry, I mean,
what's this They couldn't just do that with

579
00:37:01.400 --> 00:37:05.679
other ones they find. That's that's
a great point, because I do they

580
00:37:05.760 --> 00:37:09.239
capture their species and hunt them,
Yes, but I think they are limited

581
00:37:09.599 --> 00:37:16.639
in some slight degree of what they
would deem inferior enough to like infect with

582
00:37:17.159 --> 00:37:22.639
face huggers in the games with predators, like predators have been infected with face

583
00:37:22.679 --> 00:37:25.599
hugers, like it's there. They
just labeled as abomination, like it is

584
00:37:25.800 --> 00:37:30.480
so unworthy, like horrible, like
sin, like that's the endgame right there.

585
00:37:30.599 --> 00:37:35.480
So for them, if something gets
infected with that face huger, it's

586
00:37:35.639 --> 00:37:38.679
not it's not good. And so
for them to just putting humans up to

587
00:37:38.760 --> 00:37:44.880
bat, it shows where we kind
of stand or or like there's it's not

588
00:37:45.039 --> 00:37:49.280
a strong opponent like what morally morally
for them, it's just a disgrace like

589
00:37:49.360 --> 00:37:54.199
they would never if if some when
you when you are a worthy opponent,

590
00:37:54.360 --> 00:37:58.840
let's say like with Dutch and Predator
one, Yeah, the predator actually takes

591
00:37:58.880 --> 00:38:01.679
his mask off this plasma gun and
is like, okay, you're worthy opponents

592
00:38:01.679 --> 00:38:05.400
so far, I'm gonna fight you
like hand to hand, like old school.

593
00:38:07.079 --> 00:38:10.400
And that's just how the predators are
because this guy has become a worthy

594
00:38:10.480 --> 00:38:15.280
opponent, and so people that are
unworthy you get, you know, the

595
00:38:15.360 --> 00:38:19.519
abomination route. We're just gonna use
you as I mean, even I think

596
00:38:19.599 --> 00:38:22.280
in this movie they say like they
use this like cattle. I think even

597
00:38:22.559 --> 00:38:25.039
Even says that in this movie to
actually, yeah, the researcher guy,

598
00:38:25.119 --> 00:38:29.239
right, yeah, to answer your
question. No, and none of the

599
00:38:29.320 --> 00:38:32.679
movies they do that they The only
closest you'd get is to Predators, where

600
00:38:32.679 --> 00:38:36.320
they cannap a bunch of humans and
put them on their home planet. But

601
00:38:36.719 --> 00:38:39.119
there's not like they have a bunch
of bears there, or tigers or other

602
00:38:39.199 --> 00:38:44.920
aliens or something like that. There
are weird other alien type things in Predators,

603
00:38:45.320 --> 00:38:47.199
but they could all like is that
alien? Like is that predator dog?

604
00:38:47.320 --> 00:38:52.199
Is that like their species tailor like
those animals on the Predators home,

605
00:38:52.280 --> 00:38:53.920
those of their hounds. But you
got other bipedal things that we saw,

606
00:38:54.039 --> 00:38:58.559
but we just don't know, like
are they worthy enough? They're not gonna

607
00:38:58.599 --> 00:39:00.360
waste them with a face hug I
don't know if they're I don't know where

608
00:39:00.360 --> 00:39:02.760
you're coming with the face hugger.
I don't know why you're coming with that.

609
00:39:04.519 --> 00:39:07.920
That's what I'm confused about, because
I thought dyn't ask are they known

610
00:39:07.000 --> 00:39:12.920
to kidnap other species and pregnate them
with With the Dylan saying pregnant them,

611
00:39:13.519 --> 00:39:16.039
I thought you were referring to like
capturing them and putting like aliens in them,

612
00:39:16.199 --> 00:39:20.000
like using them as hosts. No, I I just mean like in

613
00:39:20.159 --> 00:39:22.559
general, like hey, we found
some other strong blor boff, so we

614
00:39:22.719 --> 00:39:27.000
like put them in a pen and
started growing them to fight the boss.

615
00:39:27.119 --> 00:39:35.599
Like there's one predator keeps pushing that
I took like aliens and put like the

616
00:39:35.719 --> 00:39:37.360
alien thing, leave them in a
room together. The alien will like make

617
00:39:37.440 --> 00:39:42.320
some weird abomination using in that.
So that would that would breed like hybrids

618
00:39:42.320 --> 00:39:44.880
that are strong. That's just that
makes sense to me. That would be

619
00:39:44.960 --> 00:39:49.199
like morally, you like fucked up
from their perspective pure I guess not that

620
00:39:49.320 --> 00:39:52.079
I don't really understand why they would
care about that, but but I don't

621
00:39:52.119 --> 00:39:55.679
know a lot about predators, pray
predators, Predator two and the Predator which

622
00:39:55.679 --> 00:39:59.440
you know you saw back in the
day, you know what the big pray

623
00:39:59.480 --> 00:40:01.639
I guess the ones I've truly seen
starting they all come to Earth and just

624
00:40:01.719 --> 00:40:05.400
fight predatters. Is the only one
where they kidnap humans and they're like,

625
00:40:05.480 --> 00:40:07.400
and maybe that's something that could happen, But there's no specific plot of them

626
00:40:07.760 --> 00:40:13.119
the aliens the humans where they go
fine, like they fight other alien things.

627
00:40:13.159 --> 00:40:15.599
Maybe the audience doesn't want that,
but that like that seems to make

628
00:40:15.679 --> 00:40:17.719
sense for these or maybe there just
isn't a lot of other life out there,

629
00:40:17.760 --> 00:40:21.320
and that's why they come to Earth. Maybe I don't know, and

630
00:40:21.400 --> 00:40:23.639
I guess for me that's what I
wanted to is I kind of wanted them

631
00:40:23.760 --> 00:40:28.639
not to know of the alien right
away, Like I would have maybe and

632
00:40:29.719 --> 00:40:32.039
wait to watch Recrum and then we'll
get there. But I almost would have

633
00:40:32.280 --> 00:40:36.119
liked this to be some sort of
story of the first time they meet the

634
00:40:36.320 --> 00:40:38.719
alien and then get into the Hey, after we had that fight, we

635
00:40:38.920 --> 00:40:42.360
decided they were big foe. We
want to train them, we want to

636
00:40:42.440 --> 00:40:45.679
use them as cattle and kind of
walk me with that journey to see And

637
00:40:45.760 --> 00:40:49.239
that's where again like this is two
events for that era, because look at

638
00:40:49.280 --> 00:40:52.159
Prey Half that movie's subtitle. So
I feel like you could do something with

639
00:40:52.239 --> 00:40:54.599
predators and talking. I know it
sounds weird, but or some sort if

640
00:40:54.639 --> 00:41:00.199
the humans are if they like worship
them, you could have it back that

641
00:41:00.400 --> 00:41:01.639
age. I think that was something
that took the mistique out of it for

642
00:41:01.719 --> 00:41:05.920
me too, is Oh, there's
these al Xena Moors and the Patters like

643
00:41:06.079 --> 00:41:07.480
yeah, yeah, we've been doing
them for a long time. It's like,

644
00:41:07.519 --> 00:41:09.960
oh, Like to me, I
thought it was gonna feel really special

645
00:41:10.000 --> 00:41:14.039
the first time they see each other, and it's really not. And it's

646
00:41:14.079 --> 00:41:15.800
also one critique, a big critiquet
of the whole movie, Like the first

647
00:41:15.840 --> 00:41:20.760
time they fight. The cinematography in
here, I'm not gonna say it's awful.

648
00:41:20.800 --> 00:41:23.519
There's just no specialness to it.
So when they're fighting, it's just

649
00:41:23.599 --> 00:41:29.199
kind of just regular shots from like
the the waste up to their head and

650
00:41:29.280 --> 00:41:30.960
that's about it. There's not like
this big scope of your feeling. Man,

651
00:41:31.039 --> 00:41:34.920
we're seeing these two legendary icons.
Just they get in a room,

652
00:41:35.159 --> 00:41:37.519
they push each other, there's some
shaky cam, ones dead, and then

653
00:41:37.559 --> 00:41:38.679
they go on to the other one. So I think that was a big

654
00:41:38.760 --> 00:41:43.119
thing for me, is I want
to feel way more grandiose where this just

655
00:41:43.159 --> 00:41:45.159
felt like we were watching anthology show
The Preditors and it's like, oh,

656
00:41:45.199 --> 00:41:49.599
this week it's about Xena Wars.
The next week it's gonna be about Terminators.

657
00:41:49.599 --> 00:41:52.519
It didn't feel like the big woof
there. So that was something I

658
00:41:52.679 --> 00:41:55.079
just don't like as well that they've
kind of they've all they've known each other

659
00:41:55.239 --> 00:42:00.440
for general, like thousands of years
now, you know. I did like,

660
00:42:00.599 --> 00:42:06.280
however, I felt like they were
able to showcase each species kind of

661
00:42:06.360 --> 00:42:12.360
quality in the hunt, like like
the xenomorphs multiple times were able to ambush

662
00:42:12.800 --> 00:42:15.159
not only humans, but like the
predators as well, like just sneak up

663
00:42:15.199 --> 00:42:21.320
on them, use everything in their
arsenal. They were scratching, they were

664
00:42:21.400 --> 00:42:24.639
clawing, their mouth and their mini
mouthing, and then the predators were able

665
00:42:24.679 --> 00:42:29.239
to pop off with some technology here
and their little gadgets, their go go

666
00:42:29.320 --> 00:42:34.079
gadgets that they got in there shuts
out to inspector gadget that's been on the

667
00:42:34.320 --> 00:42:37.440
brain today, that little little song. But so I did like that.

668
00:42:37.599 --> 00:42:44.239
However, I do agree with you. I wish maybe like the first time

669
00:42:44.360 --> 00:42:47.079
they go toe to toe, like
it's it's a lot more cinematic than what

670
00:42:47.159 --> 00:42:52.599
it is. It's it is funny, especially like in hindsight thinking back,

671
00:42:52.679 --> 00:42:55.920
how this was my first introduction to
these characters, and I feel like it

672
00:42:57.039 --> 00:42:59.679
just kind of set me off on
a trajectory of like, I just like

673
00:42:59.719 --> 00:43:01.760
predit, there's a lot more than
xenomorph Xenomorphs are bad guys, and like

674
00:43:01.840 --> 00:43:07.119
that's just how it is from that
point on. So in that regard,

675
00:43:07.199 --> 00:43:12.440
it's kind of funny. How depending
on what you experienced first, whether it's

676
00:43:12.480 --> 00:43:15.440
like the first Predator or the first
Alien or AVP. I feel like it

677
00:43:15.519 --> 00:43:17.800
really like if you had seen Alien
first, would you just hate predators?

678
00:43:17.840 --> 00:43:22.599
And it's like, no, I'm
all about those creatures because that's my original

679
00:43:22.880 --> 00:43:27.519
big movie Monster. I don't know
it's interesting there, but yeah, I

680
00:43:27.800 --> 00:43:30.880
did like at least the showcase of
everything, And I do like how the

681
00:43:30.960 --> 00:43:36.760
predators don't just have their guns right
away. It's it's kind of video gaming.

682
00:43:36.840 --> 00:43:38.199
I guess how they have to go
to like the trophy room to like

683
00:43:38.280 --> 00:43:42.280
get these these guns so they can
go to the big bad boss and pop

684
00:43:42.360 --> 00:43:45.719
off with them. Because like clearly
they have them on the ship. I

685
00:43:45.719 --> 00:43:50.519
would imagine the other thousands of predators
have access to the guns. So like,

686
00:43:50.760 --> 00:43:52.840
when I think about certain specifics like
that, that's where it's like,

687
00:43:52.880 --> 00:43:55.400
Okay, I guess that kind of
makes sense for what they're doing, But

688
00:43:57.119 --> 00:44:00.239
I just the actual adventure of what
it is is just held in such high

689
00:44:00.239 --> 00:44:05.119
regard to me, and I just
have so much nostalgic bias for this movie.

690
00:44:05.239 --> 00:44:08.039
Like you bring up very valid points
on like we haven't even talked about

691
00:44:08.039 --> 00:44:12.519
the humans yet, Like there's some
dialogue between those humans that I literally just

692
00:44:12.599 --> 00:44:15.039
laugh out loud and I'm like,
man, that's actually hilarious the way that

693
00:44:15.159 --> 00:44:20.159
they say that. But sorry,
well, it's just odd because with the

694
00:44:20.280 --> 00:44:24.239
humans, like we talk about,
like it's almost like with the aliens versus

695
00:44:24.280 --> 00:44:27.480
the predators. They go, well, everyone knows these two, so we

696
00:44:27.519 --> 00:44:29.960
don't need to have the meet for
the first time they experience each other.

697
00:44:30.320 --> 00:44:31.159
But that's all the humans do.
They're like, oh, well, this

698
00:44:31.320 --> 00:44:35.920
must be some ritual and like,
no, it's broken from the inside.

699
00:44:35.960 --> 00:44:38.000
They explain the face Huger's like.
They do this where they'll come across something

700
00:44:38.000 --> 00:44:42.360
and then there's like a five minute
exposition dump. And it's weird in this

701
00:44:42.519 --> 00:44:45.679
movie what they think that the people
need a reminder on and other things where

702
00:44:45.679 --> 00:44:47.280
they're just like, well they know
that, you know. It's like,

703
00:44:47.400 --> 00:44:52.840
well, it's odd to kind of
do that in my opinion, where I

704
00:44:52.880 --> 00:44:54.480
feel like there's many times in the
movies they don't handhold. They're just like,

705
00:44:54.639 --> 00:44:59.199
you know, these two iconic characters, watch them go. You know.

706
00:45:00.599 --> 00:45:01.679
I was like I was gonna say, though, like those moments I

707
00:45:01.760 --> 00:45:06.039
still think are critical because for me, this was my first introduction. This

708
00:45:06.119 --> 00:45:08.320
is where I learned about the face
huggers and then bursting out his chests,

709
00:45:08.440 --> 00:45:12.400
and if it just happened, it's
like, wow, that's that's crazy.

710
00:45:12.480 --> 00:45:15.480
But to know that's how they kind
of figured out though you know, you're

711
00:45:15.519 --> 00:45:17.639
you're you're probably right, Uh smart
kid, I give you credit. You

712
00:45:17.719 --> 00:45:20.920
know, I just don't see that
as a call, and I guess because

713
00:45:20.960 --> 00:45:23.679
of how I experienced it the first
time. But it's fair point because as

714
00:45:23.760 --> 00:45:27.760
you said, there is other moments
when they put it up like the the

715
00:45:27.960 --> 00:45:30.440
you know, the the viewer will
figure this out. It's not hand fed

716
00:45:30.559 --> 00:45:34.440
like other versions of it. So
fair for me, it's a conscious because

717
00:45:34.480 --> 00:45:37.360
that's just the only things that humans
do. There's no like, like we

718
00:45:37.400 --> 00:45:39.639
said, we learned that one guy
her dad died in mountain, and the

719
00:45:39.719 --> 00:45:44.440
other guy has a family who he
wants to show that he does cool things

720
00:45:44.480 --> 00:45:46.320
for. And one guy can say
things in a different language. You know,

721
00:45:46.639 --> 00:45:51.760
that's Whaling's not doing good. And
he got Whaling Coughing twenty four to

722
00:45:51.880 --> 00:45:54.079
seven, and you know, good
for Lance Anderson getting that money. But

723
00:45:54.159 --> 00:45:58.559
that that feels like a very even
it set in two thousand and four when

724
00:45:58.559 --> 00:46:00.599
they like, oh really like all
the other alien and Predator, Like I

725
00:46:00.639 --> 00:46:06.159
guess Predator not so much. Preader's
always kind of contemporary, but Alien it's

726
00:46:06.280 --> 00:46:08.280
it's all. That's just it's two
thousand and four. It's also dysopian.

727
00:46:08.320 --> 00:46:12.280
It's not our two thousand and four, but same thing. I would rather

728
00:46:12.360 --> 00:46:15.480
than just be even like two thousand
and one hundred and four, where there

729
00:46:15.519 --> 00:46:19.199
could be some more sci fi techie
stuff. But again, Predder hasn't done

730
00:46:19.199 --> 00:46:22.400
that, So that's that's some more. But I guess that doesn't count though,

731
00:46:22.400 --> 00:46:24.199
because preedderor always says contemporary. They
did at that point, but that

732
00:46:24.440 --> 00:46:29.280
was the eighties and nineties, La, that wasn't our two thousand and four,

733
00:46:29.400 --> 00:46:31.679
right It's not like, oh,
this looks like what our world looks

734
00:46:31.760 --> 00:46:35.559
like right now. So it's a
weird mishmash for me. The setting.

735
00:46:36.199 --> 00:46:37.519
Yeah, I wanted to jump on
one thing you guys are saying earlier,

736
00:46:37.679 --> 00:46:42.079
which which is that I agree.
I think it would be cool to see

737
00:46:43.159 --> 00:46:46.599
the Predators discoverying the Aliens for the
first time and like having to learn that

738
00:46:46.719 --> 00:46:50.440
opponent. But I wonder if part
of the reason why they didn't go that

739
00:46:50.559 --> 00:46:53.280
route with this movie when they're writing
it is because from the audience. I

740
00:46:53.320 --> 00:46:57.400
mean it's different in the instance of
Taylor and Kirklan, who are like,

741
00:46:57.840 --> 00:47:00.519
see this movie before they see anything
else, but especially from us, we're

742
00:47:00.559 --> 00:47:05.079
going through chronologically. We didn't do
the Predator well, you guys did Predator

743
00:47:05.119 --> 00:47:07.760
Retro earlier, but going through it
in this way, it is like,

744
00:47:07.079 --> 00:47:09.440
maybe that's how they felt like for
the audience. Okay, there's been four

745
00:47:09.480 --> 00:47:14.199
alien movies. People know how these
aliens work, so that angle of like,

746
00:47:14.559 --> 00:47:16.159
oh, the predators have to learn
what the aliens are would maybe be

747
00:47:16.719 --> 00:47:21.760
less intriguing because we as the audience
already know how they work and what they're

748
00:47:21.760 --> 00:47:24.440
all about, so that mystery wouldn't
be that engaging, though I think it

749
00:47:24.480 --> 00:47:28.880
would still be a fun like that
could be like a short film or so

750
00:47:29.039 --> 00:47:30.280
that could be like a half an
hour like the First Encounter. Here's what

751
00:47:30.360 --> 00:47:35.000
that battle went like. But I
think instead where they put the mystery,

752
00:47:35.039 --> 00:47:37.840
and I think it is pretty interesting
and well done in this movie is when

753
00:47:37.880 --> 00:47:42.480
the alien when the Predators first dropped
down, and they wouldever activate that thing

754
00:47:42.559 --> 00:47:46.400
that pulls the alien queen out of
the ice bath so she can start spawning

755
00:47:46.840 --> 00:47:51.320
me, especially someone who's not seen
this before. Until yesterday. I was

756
00:47:51.360 --> 00:47:53.760
like, what the hell is going
on here? Why are these predators activating

757
00:47:53.800 --> 00:47:58.320
these aliens? Like none of this
makes sense? And that mystery was pretty

758
00:47:58.360 --> 00:48:00.400
fun to uncover and figure that out. And then yeah, like within the

759
00:48:00.440 --> 00:48:04.440
same movie. Normally it's like the
sequel or the third movie that jumps the

760
00:48:04.480 --> 00:48:07.239
shark. This one already it jumped
the shark with that backstory with thousands of

761
00:48:07.280 --> 00:48:09.639
aliens sprawling around the periods pyramids for
me, but I think it, I

762
00:48:09.679 --> 00:48:13.079
think it was kind of a smart
idea to go with. Okay, how

763
00:48:13.119 --> 00:48:16.360
can we make this a mystery,
have that thriller element and the horror side,

764
00:48:16.480 --> 00:48:20.679
like the questioning horror side that we've
had in all these other movies,

765
00:48:21.079 --> 00:48:23.480
but from like a different angle because
this is the I guess fifth time people

766
00:48:23.480 --> 00:48:27.239
will see aliens. And then how
many Predator movies was there prior to this?

767
00:48:27.320 --> 00:48:30.519
Three? Just two? Just two? Okay, So yeah, people

768
00:48:30.719 --> 00:48:31.920
kind of know what those guys are
about. But they're almost maybe a bit

769
00:48:31.960 --> 00:48:36.880
simpler than the Aliens to somebody,
Yeah, and I don't. And both

770
00:48:36.960 --> 00:48:39.039
those movies they don't really get into
the origins of the Predator at all,

771
00:48:39.239 --> 00:48:44.360
Like and we still I guess this
is unfortunately part of it with the whole

772
00:48:44.519 --> 00:48:49.239
like landing on Earth and being gods. But they really still haven't done that

773
00:48:49.360 --> 00:48:52.039
in the movies to my knowledge,
like Predators isn't really there, don't really

774
00:48:52.440 --> 00:48:54.920
all that clan stuff you talk about
Tror they really just hit on that,

775
00:48:55.079 --> 00:48:58.880
and Predators it's not much in the
movies. You know, like in the

776
00:48:58.960 --> 00:49:00.440
movies you could just look at them. They look different, of course,

777
00:49:00.960 --> 00:49:04.639
but you don't. They never are
like, oh, yeah, I'm Clan

778
00:49:05.079 --> 00:49:09.159
Tully and I'm going come from weeks
or where do you learn that stuff?

779
00:49:10.280 --> 00:49:13.400
I mean you mentioned the game.
Seems like some of the games actually do

780
00:49:13.519 --> 00:49:17.320
some interesting this This movie is what
really kind of put it out there,

781
00:49:17.320 --> 00:49:22.679
because yeah, with Preder one and
two, they were just i'd say the

782
00:49:22.800 --> 00:49:28.079
clans, yeah, because because before
it was just Jungle Hunter and City Hunter.

783
00:49:28.239 --> 00:49:30.880
That's all we had. There's nothing
else. And then this movie comes

784
00:49:30.920 --> 00:49:35.199
along and they're throwing out terms like
yaucha and stuff like that. And that's

785
00:49:35.280 --> 00:49:39.760
just when you like you look on
like like the Wikipedia pages whatnot. It's

786
00:49:39.800 --> 00:49:44.159
like xenopedia or whatever you call it. So I didn't get that from comic

787
00:49:44.239 --> 00:49:49.679
books or our actual like novelizations.
I just was online when I'm like reading

788
00:49:49.760 --> 00:49:52.599
more of like, oh, what's
lands are doing in Ava? They're not

789
00:49:52.800 --> 00:49:55.480
from a movie or anything from the
wiki. That's kind of where you're learning

790
00:49:55.920 --> 00:49:59.000
wiki. Yeah, so where do
the people Where do the people get this

791
00:49:59.039 --> 00:50:01.719
stuff from the wiki? That I
have no idea? They probably source it

792
00:50:01.800 --> 00:50:07.960
from from something like that Hedrickson going
on there and he's reading. He's like

793
00:50:07.039 --> 00:50:14.199
they called, you know, Ripley
Ridley was telling me this, But you're

794
00:50:14.280 --> 00:50:16.840
right, Travis, I'd say,
like the clent stuff is further expanded.

795
00:50:16.920 --> 00:50:22.559
And uh, predators when you just
have like they even say like it's the

796
00:50:22.559 --> 00:50:25.239
difference between dogs and wolves because you
have Morpheus talking about the different types of

797
00:50:25.320 --> 00:50:31.360
predators out there fighting each other and
all that. So not Morpheus. I

798
00:50:31.440 --> 00:50:37.000
could picture him in this big cross
Lord's Fishbourne Fishburn and playing that. Yeah.

799
00:50:37.039 --> 00:50:40.039
No, And because I think the
predators are just they're just an alien

800
00:50:40.119 --> 00:50:43.840
race. You know that that's just
it. You know where alien they obviously

801
00:50:43.880 --> 00:50:45.239
had that mystery, but predators they've
never been like, oh, well,

802
00:50:45.280 --> 00:50:51.039
this asteroid hit this planet and they
were mutated, and which I am happy

803
00:50:51.159 --> 00:50:52.840
with, you know, I don't
I'm not asking for the origin of the

804
00:50:52.880 --> 00:50:58.039
Predator Disney. So it's funny because
I feel the same way for Predator and

805
00:50:58.159 --> 00:51:01.599
Alien, Like I I've never really
wondered that, like like like maybe like

806
00:51:02.079 --> 00:51:06.159
oh, like how did yeah,
never mind, Like I never got to

807
00:51:06.239 --> 00:51:07.519
the point of like how do the
Predator just get so jacked? And like

808
00:51:07.599 --> 00:51:10.760
where would they find uh? They
would they find out how to hunt and

809
00:51:10.880 --> 00:51:15.280
track and all these things like I'm
I'm just there for the ride. And

810
00:51:15.519 --> 00:51:19.360
that's why I like watching watching these
movies. Yeah, exactly, we'll get

811
00:51:19.400 --> 00:51:22.599
there. Uh. Like watching these
movies, it's like, hey, those

812
00:51:22.679 --> 00:51:27.920
key moments actually hit really hard,
Like I really like the them getting there

813
00:51:28.039 --> 00:51:32.960
and just popping off in camouflage,
like I like seeing that just shown.

814
00:51:34.320 --> 00:51:37.440
But then like the stuff with the
pyramids and like, oh yeah, I

815
00:51:37.519 --> 00:51:39.840
kind of forgot about this and this
just doesn't make sense. And then of

816
00:51:39.920 --> 00:51:44.280
course I'm pulling now from my knowledge
of going through the Predator retro and it's

817
00:51:44.360 --> 00:51:45.639
like, yeah, no, I
just don't like this. I don't like

818
00:51:45.719 --> 00:51:51.400
this version, but uh, there's
enough in here and man Nostall is very

819
00:51:51.679 --> 00:51:54.440
powerful as well, Like like if
if I if I hadn't seen this movie,

820
00:51:54.519 --> 00:52:00.800
before i'd probably be very negative of
just thinking of those origins moments.

821
00:52:00.880 --> 00:52:04.400
But yeah, no, I yeah, it's just this, this got me

822
00:52:04.440 --> 00:52:08.800
in my formation years. So there
you go. Mm hmm. So it's

823
00:52:08.800 --> 00:52:14.440
all about sometime the formation years.
I'm kirklum. What are some of these

824
00:52:14.599 --> 00:52:16.559
iconic lines? What are they?
Some of these? The main one for

825
00:52:16.719 --> 00:52:21.679
me that I literally think about every
well, every workday at least, is

826
00:52:22.280 --> 00:52:25.639
the great line when I can't remember
name lex is that her name? She

827
00:52:25.800 --> 00:52:32.480
goes to Brusso whatever, the chick
with the classic early two thousands, the

828
00:52:32.599 --> 00:52:37.760
short white white hair, and you
know, this is like like you're not

829
00:52:37.800 --> 00:52:40.480
gonna need that gun. Essentially I'm
gonna I'm I'm gonna be pair for twenty

830
00:52:40.559 --> 00:52:44.159
years on the ice, all right. I seeing a gun, say someone's

831
00:52:44.199 --> 00:52:45.960
life that's say something like that,
It's like you won't be needed. It's

832
00:52:46.000 --> 00:52:50.079
like I'd rather have it and not
need it, then need it and not

833
00:52:50.239 --> 00:52:52.480
have it. You know. Same
same principle as a condom. And man

834
00:52:52.559 --> 00:52:54.519
like if I'm going to work,
if I'm going to a job site and

835
00:52:54.559 --> 00:52:57.480
I'm like thinking about what tools I
need, I'm like, Okay, I

836
00:52:57.599 --> 00:53:00.440
might not need this, but I'd
rather have it and not need it then

837
00:53:00.679 --> 00:53:04.800
need it. Not have it like
that is such a great thing to carry

838
00:53:05.360 --> 00:53:07.599
just in day to day, you
know, like I'm I gonna need my

839
00:53:07.880 --> 00:53:10.880
son's screen if I'm going here,
Man, I'd rather have it, not

840
00:53:12.039 --> 00:53:15.400
need it, Like it's just a
prepared thing. So that line, and

841
00:53:15.559 --> 00:53:17.000
like, because I've seen this movie
so many times. When I think of

842
00:53:17.079 --> 00:53:22.719
that line, now, I think
of blonde hair chick with their condomline and

843
00:53:22.039 --> 00:53:25.480
her gun, and like that's where
I just think of that moment. I'm

844
00:53:25.519 --> 00:53:29.880
like, man, I love this
movie. Like this just this gave me

845
00:53:29.960 --> 00:53:36.559
some life lessons of this movie right
here. That's amazing. The the La

846
00:53:36.639 --> 00:53:39.559
Luna del whatever Taylor's name is.
That one doesn't really come up too much

847
00:53:39.639 --> 00:53:45.039
in my day to day unfortunately.
But next time we're out and we see

848
00:53:45.119 --> 00:53:49.960
that big moon, now hunter Moon, I'll say that to you. I

849
00:53:50.039 --> 00:53:52.440
love it too, because it's like
he says it and they look at each

850
00:53:52.440 --> 00:53:54.000
other and they both just kind of
chuckle and laugh and then it like cuts

851
00:53:54.000 --> 00:53:57.719
scene and it just keeps going.
I'm like, it's a good foreshadow though,

852
00:53:57.800 --> 00:54:02.880
right, Like that's fair, I
guess, but I just it's an

853
00:54:02.880 --> 00:54:06.679
awkward laugh that they have and it's
just like Wow, okay, yeah,

854
00:54:06.719 --> 00:54:08.559
that's that's that interaction right there.
And this movie has quite a few of

855
00:54:08.639 --> 00:54:14.599
those, with just some of the
scienti scientist type character like Buddy with the

856
00:54:15.159 --> 00:54:17.159
camera. It's always talking about his
boys that I feel like, I haven't

857
00:54:17.159 --> 00:54:21.360
seen this actor in anything except for
The Rundown. If anyone's seen that movie,

858
00:54:21.480 --> 00:54:23.559
The Great Movie, it's been a
minute. I don't remember him from

859
00:54:23.599 --> 00:54:27.719
there, So that's it's just the
pilot, and it's like, right away,

860
00:54:27.840 --> 00:54:31.480
I just remember that movie. Just
seeing certain characters in like this era

861
00:54:31.800 --> 00:54:35.840
of films, so it's like,
oh, I remember seeing that guy that

862
00:54:36.000 --> 00:54:38.719
probably the Rundown probably came down like
or sorry, my gosh, that was

863
00:54:38.760 --> 00:54:42.440
easy for me to say. It
probably came out same time as The Rundown,

864
00:54:45.079 --> 00:54:49.400
I think does five. So there
you go, same haircut, he

865
00:54:49.480 --> 00:54:57.199
had, same set. They definitely
make things obvious with the way they're talking

866
00:54:57.239 --> 00:55:00.440
to and I guess people that aren't
familiar with aliens, like and they're looking

867
00:55:00.440 --> 00:55:04.159
in the sacrificial chamber and the guy's
like, oh, it's common in ancient

868
00:55:04.440 --> 00:55:07.639
sacrifice to take the organs that or
take the heart out the girl's like,

869
00:55:07.679 --> 00:55:08.880
that's not where the heart is,
and it looks like something broke out of

870
00:55:08.960 --> 00:55:15.280
this body. But that scene like
that still gives me the hebgb's when the

871
00:55:15.320 --> 00:55:19.480
doors close and the eggs rise,
and the designs of the face huggers too,

872
00:55:19.880 --> 00:55:24.000
I appreciate how different they are from
the original. They just they feel

873
00:55:24.119 --> 00:55:29.599
bigger, and they really feel more
like a giant crab, a spider crab,

874
00:55:29.760 --> 00:55:32.440
just the way they jump in that
slow moll scene, just as it's

875
00:55:32.519 --> 00:55:37.679
freaky. But that's actually one of
the unrated versions. The extra scenes here

876
00:55:37.760 --> 00:55:44.119
when they go down here before the
doors closed and they separate what's his name,

877
00:55:45.800 --> 00:55:50.239
Sebastian. He goes off around this
corner and they see kind of like

878
00:55:50.360 --> 00:55:54.920
this statue thing and then like a
fossilized face hugger skeleton just drops on him

879
00:55:54.920 --> 00:55:57.679
and they're looking at it and I'm
trying to figure out what it is.

880
00:55:58.199 --> 00:56:01.519
They don't know, and so they
care on. Yeah, I've never seen

881
00:56:01.599 --> 00:56:05.039
that scene, so, yeah,
I definitely have never seen the unrated version.

882
00:56:05.159 --> 00:56:07.400
And then you said they're like the
whalers are getting hunted in the beginning.

883
00:56:07.480 --> 00:56:10.000
Yeah, at the beginning. Yeah, at the beginning, you have

884
00:56:10.039 --> 00:56:14.280
a whaler just running in the snow, freaking out, and then the predator

885
00:56:14.440 --> 00:56:17.440
like is attacking him. And then
as he's like crawling back, you see

886
00:56:17.480 --> 00:56:22.559
a xenomorph in predator vision like lunge
out from behind him, and then it

887
00:56:22.599 --> 00:56:28.800
cuts to the satellite flying in space. The other scene that I recall in

888
00:56:28.880 --> 00:56:30.599
this one, it always cracks me
because the predator, you guys would hate

889
00:56:30.639 --> 00:56:36.239
it. Uh, the predator plays
a prank on Lex basically, you know,

890
00:56:36.320 --> 00:56:39.480
when he's cutting the head off and
making the spear he makes Lex looking

891
00:56:39.599 --> 00:56:45.119
closer, and the predator's dragging his
knife on the alien's head and then jabs

892
00:56:45.159 --> 00:56:47.159
it and the preyor's tongue shoots out
and scares Lex, and you can just

893
00:56:47.239 --> 00:56:52.199
tell the predator's actually being like comedic's
just chuck l's chuck late. Yeah,

894
00:56:52.480 --> 00:57:00.400
it's so good. I hear that
laugh from the first prea. I don't

895
00:57:00.480 --> 00:57:04.159
like my predators like that. I
like them arrogant hunters. Even then,

896
00:57:04.360 --> 00:57:07.760
I was not a fan of him
souping up the scientists and like, here's

897
00:57:07.760 --> 00:57:12.800
your weapon. I just I just
why the predator can't do this alone.

898
00:57:12.920 --> 00:57:19.960
He needs this and the scientists with
him. I like, so in retrospect,

899
00:57:20.079 --> 00:57:22.079
like thinking back my memories, this
was like the high highlight of the

900
00:57:22.119 --> 00:57:24.800
movie. I feel like, like
when the Humans pair up with the predators

901
00:57:25.159 --> 00:57:29.480
and he soups her up and they
go to fucking take on the Xenomorphs,

902
00:57:29.519 --> 00:57:31.719
I'm like, that is so cool. I love it, Like like the

903
00:57:31.840 --> 00:57:36.800
Humans pairing up with this badass Hunters
watching it this time, I'm like,

904
00:57:36.880 --> 00:57:39.280
this is so this is so not
good. This is so not good,

905
00:57:39.480 --> 00:57:45.639
And like this one really aged poorly
for me. Of just him, like

906
00:57:45.760 --> 00:57:50.280
it seems like he's on a like
a pretty like drastic goal right now.

907
00:57:50.320 --> 00:57:52.559
It's like, Okay, I just
lost my two buddies. I'm on this

908
00:57:52.679 --> 00:57:55.280
mission alone. I gotta just detonate
this bomb and get the fuck out of

909
00:57:55.320 --> 00:57:58.800
here, like that is my goal
now. And then he takes the time

910
00:57:58.920 --> 00:58:01.760
to just stop, and it's it's
a much longer scene too than I remember

911
00:58:01.800 --> 00:58:05.360
it being of him like just chopping
the head off and he's doing this like

912
00:58:05.440 --> 00:58:07.719
weird motion, and then and then
like they don't talk, so he has

913
00:58:07.760 --> 00:58:10.480
to like make sure that she understands
what he's doing. It's like I'm dripping

914
00:58:10.519 --> 00:58:13.960
it on the helmet and then dripping
it on the floor, and then as

915
00:58:13.960 --> 00:58:15.480
I'm watching it now, I'm like, this would just be so hilarious if

916
00:58:15.519 --> 00:58:20.400
she was just so dense and the
predator just he like can't get through on

917
00:58:20.519 --> 00:58:22.840
like what he's trying to do.
She's like, oh, what, like

918
00:58:22.920 --> 00:58:25.440
what do I do with the head
move? And she's just like seen in

919
00:58:25.480 --> 00:58:31.079
a scary movie. Yeah exactly.
So like those moments aged so poorly,

920
00:58:31.199 --> 00:58:34.840
and she met like I thought we
were actually gonna get to the end of

921
00:58:34.840 --> 00:58:37.400
the movie and she wasn't gonna use
the spear or the helmet. I always

922
00:58:37.440 --> 00:58:40.320
found it weird that they get to
where Miller died and she just like drops

923
00:58:40.360 --> 00:58:43.440
the spear for the gun, Like
can you imagine me in the Predator And

924
00:58:43.440 --> 00:58:45.360
you're like, are you fucking kidding
me? I just took twenty minutes to

925
00:58:45.400 --> 00:58:47.800
make that for you and you pick
up that slimy gun. Yeah exactly,

926
00:58:47.880 --> 00:58:52.000
I'd be pissed off. But she
does end up stabbing the queen near the

927
00:58:52.119 --> 00:58:54.920
end, so yeah, it did
get used, and she even used the

928
00:58:55.000 --> 00:59:00.440
shield, So okay, that's a
bare pass, but that one didn't age

929
00:59:00.440 --> 00:59:04.719
well for me at all. That
sequence those again the Predators, when the

930
00:59:04.880 --> 00:59:08.639
Old School Predator is like let down
by Oh gosh, what's his name?

931
00:59:09.360 --> 00:59:12.960
What do you got, Travis?
What's his name? No? No,

932
00:59:13.039 --> 00:59:15.920
no. In The Predators, he's
the main guy, the main mercenary.

933
00:59:15.199 --> 00:59:20.079
Uh. His name is Adrian Brodie. I can't remember what it is.

934
00:59:20.199 --> 00:59:24.000
Yeah, I don't remember his actual
name, but yeah, so Brody's character

935
00:59:24.320 --> 00:59:27.760
he cuts him down and he's like, you're gonna take me the ship,

936
00:59:27.840 --> 00:59:30.599
and the Predator like grabs by the
neck, drops him Predatory and then he

937
00:59:30.679 --> 00:59:34.800
pops up his like all the music
kicks in with that Predator theme and he

938
00:59:34.840 --> 00:59:37.760
pops up his map of Earth and
it's like, oh, this is fucking

939
00:59:37.840 --> 00:59:39.760
cool. And then the super Predator
comes in and then the old school Predator

940
00:59:39.760 --> 00:59:43.400
walks in front of Age and Brody. Fuck it's good ship And not even

941
00:59:43.960 --> 00:59:46.119
at any point in that movie.
I don't remember that. But Royce is

942
00:59:46.159 --> 00:59:50.840
a guy's name, Royce. That's
it. Did you find the scene Kirkland

943
00:59:52.199 --> 00:59:58.480
because I gotta ignore this one.
Yeah, like me on that right now,

944
00:59:58.760 --> 01:00:02.400
watching the scene of it's called a
pred Or humor and he's gonna do

945
01:00:02.440 --> 01:00:07.880
his joke here. Yeah, a
big fans actress and Nip tuck but not

946
01:00:07.039 --> 01:00:12.559
here. Yeah, it's just it's
just a weird, wild scene just to

947
01:00:12.599 --> 01:00:14.840
put it ever, Yeah, you
know, he's just he's pulling the fast

948
01:00:14.880 --> 01:00:16.280
so yeah, she gets she gets
scared, and he's like, oh,

949
01:00:16.320 --> 01:00:20.840
he's chuckling, and she does like
the scoff face like yeah, see she

950
01:00:20.960 --> 01:00:25.559
does. Yeah that's bad. You're
talking to it like an alien super killer

951
01:00:25.599 --> 01:00:30.159
and you scoff. You know,
he's smiling under that. He's fucking got

952
01:00:30.239 --> 01:00:36.639
her. These stupid humans. Just
that just feels like a family guy version

953
01:00:36.679 --> 01:00:38.320
of the predator, like they would
do some sort of get this. I'm

954
01:00:38.320 --> 01:00:40.480
glad they cut it. I'm glad. I'm glad that was I guess in

955
01:00:40.559 --> 01:00:44.800
the Fisher movie. But I still
don't like a few, I'll say,

956
01:00:44.880 --> 01:00:49.360
many mannerisms of the predators in these
movies. Even your equivalation to the the

957
01:00:49.480 --> 01:00:52.880
Tree predator, Taylor, that's like, to me, that makes sense because

958
01:00:53.000 --> 01:00:57.440
like, well, that predator and
him are working together, and it's not

959
01:00:57.599 --> 01:01:00.559
in this kind of humanizing way.
The predator he's doing his own way of

960
01:01:00.639 --> 01:01:04.159
showing is you know, thank you
for letting down Tree. I'm going to

961
01:01:04.199 --> 01:01:08.760
give you this sort away. But
this sometimes do the aliens they the CG

962
01:01:08.960 --> 01:01:13.000
is better here, luckily than it
was in some of those sequels near the

963
01:01:13.079 --> 01:01:15.320
past. I think they do sometimes
much like the predators feel like guys in

964
01:01:15.400 --> 01:01:19.559
suits at times, especially during the
fights. They're a little clunky, So

965
01:01:19.639 --> 01:01:22.800
I think that's where again it's either
I think it's actually both. I think

966
01:01:22.800 --> 01:01:23.880
it's choreography, and I think it's
just the way it's shot. The way

967
01:01:23.920 --> 01:01:28.960
they shoot them together fighting at the
times is not always the cleanest. So

968
01:01:29.440 --> 01:01:31.400
that's my thing of just the preader. I know they are more human like,

969
01:01:31.519 --> 01:01:37.280
but I don't like when they necessarily
go to human But I'm glad they

970
01:01:37.320 --> 01:01:39.559
cut that. Glad it's on the
internet for everyone to enjoy. So go

971
01:01:40.039 --> 01:01:44.719
to go search AVP the lead seeming
Predator humor if you want to get that

972
01:01:44.840 --> 01:01:51.239
for you. One thing I uh, I really don't like and here is

973
01:01:51.360 --> 01:01:55.840
just how effective Woods is at taking
out aliens and fighting back against them.

974
01:01:55.840 --> 01:02:00.320
I just feel like they're such a
strong foe, and we have these other

975
01:02:00.360 --> 01:02:06.079
alien movies where trained like Merks and
people who are trained to kill and fight,

976
01:02:06.239 --> 01:02:10.119
these soldiers are just getting their ass
handed to them by by these aliens.

977
01:02:10.199 --> 01:02:14.400
But then she just kind of gets
like a lucky stab and gets a

978
01:02:14.480 --> 01:02:16.800
kill on one or like her ability
to fight back, and obviously later on

979
01:02:16.920 --> 01:02:20.960
it's like with the help of the
predator. But I feel like for someone

980
01:02:21.000 --> 01:02:23.400
who is just like what, she's
like a travel guide essentially. That's why

981
01:02:23.440 --> 01:02:28.679
she's brought in, right, because
she's good at traversing these just I don't

982
01:02:28.679 --> 01:02:34.559
know, I guess very foreign or
daunting atmospheres and locations. Like, to

983
01:02:34.679 --> 01:02:37.639
me, that's not a fighter.
She doesn't have a fighting background, so

984
01:02:37.760 --> 01:02:39.159
she shouldn't be as good at this, And most of the time it just

985
01:02:39.159 --> 01:02:43.599
comes across as lucky, which I
don't really like that the aliens are just

986
01:02:43.800 --> 01:02:46.960
dying to luck or getting ousted in
this kind of way. So yeah,

987
01:02:46.960 --> 01:02:51.039
I feel like, like as Travis
was mentioning, like in a movie like

988
01:02:51.119 --> 01:02:52.360
this, you don't you don't really
need the humans. I understand why they

989
01:02:52.400 --> 01:02:54.920
have them here, but I think
it is weird that they put them on

990
01:02:55.079 --> 01:03:00.960
equal footing, because you know,
if it's like a top level fighter,

991
01:03:01.119 --> 01:03:05.440
like maybe that would make sense and
that could be an interesting, interesting diambic.

992
01:03:05.519 --> 01:03:08.840
When it's just some random person who
has no fighting background who is so

993
01:03:09.000 --> 01:03:12.679
expert at fighting them, I don't, I don't really like that. So

994
01:03:12.760 --> 01:03:15.480
that sequence was all a little too
cheesy for me, a little too goofy.

995
01:03:15.920 --> 01:03:20.679
But that kind of Ripley, though, what's up isn't that Ripley basically

996
01:03:20.719 --> 01:03:23.320
because she's just a pilot and with
no combat experience. But I don't feel

997
01:03:23.320 --> 01:03:27.079
like it's as luck. I feel
like it's her earning it and going through

998
01:03:27.119 --> 01:03:30.079
trials and tripulations where like Dylan said, she'll fall down the spear and just

999
01:03:30.159 --> 01:03:32.280
like and it's just like, I
don't know how I feel about that.

1000
01:03:32.559 --> 01:03:37.039
It's just and again, that's one
alien that she gets lucky on. There's

1001
01:03:37.159 --> 01:03:40.920
multiple aliens here getting taken out throughout
the movie. I feel like the Ripley

1002
01:03:42.480 --> 01:03:45.559
kill and it's not even a kill, it's like they get rid of it.

1003
01:03:45.800 --> 01:03:50.079
In a sense, it feels way
more justified in the run time of

1004
01:03:50.199 --> 01:03:52.599
Oh, she's learned, she's seen
all this stuff. She's also watching the

1005
01:03:52.639 --> 01:03:57.840
other humans get taken out. She
just like escapes like she's just running away.

1006
01:03:58.039 --> 01:04:00.519
She doesn't kill one of the bare
hands, and like she's putting the

1007
01:04:00.559 --> 01:04:01.800
blood on her face and everything.
You know. Yeah, and I give

1008
01:04:01.840 --> 01:04:05.519
her a badass flamethrower or put her
in that giant mech suit. Yeah,

1009
01:04:05.639 --> 01:04:08.519
you know, it's like a little
bit different, I I think, but

1010
01:04:08.599 --> 01:04:13.800
I see where you're coming from there. But I I love the cheesiness of

1011
01:04:14.000 --> 01:04:18.000
the predator making a shield out of
an alien head and a sword of his

1012
01:04:18.119 --> 01:04:23.559
tail. That is prime. That
is pure cinema, as Kirkla is saying,

1013
01:04:23.599 --> 01:04:26.920
like, I I love that so
much, but yeah, the stuff

1014
01:04:26.960 --> 01:04:29.599
that followed and the character side of
it not so much. I just love

1015
01:04:29.679 --> 01:04:34.719
that that equip I think it's just
so cool. Also, like I thought,

1016
01:04:34.760 --> 01:04:38.679
I remember it being like a portion
of the head, like I didn't.

1017
01:04:38.719 --> 01:04:41.280
Like, she literally just has that
like the mouth like right there,

1018
01:04:41.360 --> 01:04:45.920
like his whole head is just on
her army, And like I feel like

1019
01:04:45.039 --> 01:04:48.920
that would be pretty dangerous because like
you know, the predator does the cut,

1020
01:04:49.000 --> 01:04:53.280
but like she's still just holding it
where a wound would be to be

1021
01:04:54.239 --> 01:04:59.320
blood. Yeah, yeah, exactly. It doesn't make sense. Yeah,

1022
01:05:00.159 --> 01:05:03.039
well that's the the thing with predators, right, they're the masters of skinning

1023
01:05:03.360 --> 01:05:08.599
their prey right just from inside.
He delayed, He fulaid that Zeno,

1024
01:05:08.840 --> 01:05:12.519
Okay, there you go. How'd
you guys feel about these? Obviously,

1025
01:05:12.559 --> 01:05:15.159
Travis, you mentioned like the CGI
is good here, and I agree for

1026
01:05:15.239 --> 01:05:18.559
the for the better than the sequels. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

1027
01:05:18.719 --> 01:05:23.880
But how do you guys feel about
the the just general movements And yeah,

1028
01:05:23.880 --> 01:05:26.559
I guess just the general movements of
the alien specifically, because we talked

1029
01:05:26.599 --> 01:05:30.320
about that a lot, and the
evolution of like the first couple of ones

1030
01:05:30.360 --> 01:05:32.039
like really just kept the aliens hidden
in the dark a lot of the time

1031
01:05:32.599 --> 01:05:36.559
and showed like little sequences or very
rarely like the full body moving around in

1032
01:05:36.639 --> 01:05:40.079
big way. But then as we
get further and front of these movies,

1033
01:05:40.119 --> 01:05:43.199
we're seeing them do more different types
of movements, and I feel like in

1034
01:05:43.320 --> 01:05:46.199
this they had a very different like
I felt like they were looking like raptors

1035
01:05:46.559 --> 01:05:49.159
and then like the very like a
t rex. Like it felt like,

1036
01:05:49.199 --> 01:05:53.440
Okay, the Jurassic Park influence is
definitely here now, but yeah, they

1037
01:05:53.480 --> 01:05:58.679
felt distinctly different from me than they
looked before. Obviously from the practical stuff,

1038
01:05:58.679 --> 01:06:00.599
but then even then to the sea
gi in the later Alien movies,

1039
01:06:01.119 --> 01:06:05.519
they felt very serpentine to me.
They even call them serpents in this movie,

1040
01:06:05.639 --> 01:06:10.679
which I never really thought of the
Zenos as being like a serpentype creature

1041
01:06:10.800 --> 01:06:15.639
until I guess this version. It's
like, it's funny because my favorite version

1042
01:06:15.679 --> 01:06:18.400
of Alien is the first one you
really don't see it move like at all,

1043
01:06:18.559 --> 01:06:23.199
Like you see a couple shots of
maybe its perspective, but yeah,

1044
01:06:23.320 --> 01:06:26.159
like it's just the arms and that's
it, and that's the beauty of that,

1045
01:06:26.320 --> 01:06:29.119
right, Like it's a hidden threat. And then just what the face

1046
01:06:29.239 --> 01:06:34.000
is is terrifying. I feel like
the my favorite version of seeing its movement

1047
01:06:34.199 --> 01:06:44.679
is probably from Alien Isolation actually because
it doesn't feel as like like an eel

1048
01:06:44.880 --> 01:06:47.400
to me, which this one kind
of does. The tale is definitely,

1049
01:06:48.519 --> 01:06:53.320
oh it's everywhere and it's but I
think that adds to it, where like

1050
01:06:53.400 --> 01:06:56.599
you're hiding under a desk and then
yeah, you just see like the if

1051
01:06:56.639 --> 01:06:58.960
he leaves, he still feels far
away from you now, but like the

1052
01:06:59.079 --> 01:07:03.239
tail is still uh wiggling in your
face. Yeah exactly. So I thought,

1053
01:07:03.519 --> 01:07:09.440
uh, yeah, it's not my
favorite version. Maybe I can make

1054
01:07:09.480 --> 01:07:12.320
the arguments my least favorite version,
but I don't know. I don't know.

1055
01:07:12.360 --> 01:07:15.519
Because the c G I like you
definitely I agree with you. Guys

1056
01:07:15.559 --> 01:07:17.440
like it it it. It held
up more than I was expecting it to,

1057
01:07:17.719 --> 01:07:20.880
I guess, especially the Queen,
Like I thought that was gonna be

1058
01:07:20.880 --> 01:07:27.639
atrocious, But it actually wasn't that
bad for even like some modern standards,

1059
01:07:27.679 --> 01:07:30.119
you know, the classic log truck, Like how many decades did that come

1060
01:07:30.239 --> 01:07:36.199
after this? Right, so trying
to feel bad for like the probably overworked

1061
01:07:39.360 --> 01:07:45.199
log truck. Exactly, you don't
want cement, you want log truck,

1062
01:07:45.280 --> 01:07:53.360
all right, The cement looks prime
and any circuses goll and then the truck.

1063
01:07:53.760 --> 01:07:57.159
Yeah, I thought he likes logs
more than cement. But like the

1064
01:07:57.280 --> 01:08:00.719
one that really stood out to me
as being like a nice looking CGI is

1065
01:08:00.760 --> 01:08:04.400
actually when the queen recalls all the
aliens and then they just they mount up

1066
01:08:04.440 --> 01:08:09.199
on her and just give her the
little mini mouse. Yeah, like that

1067
01:08:09.519 --> 01:08:12.760
that looked fucking good in my opinion. Like that, like that looked pretty

1068
01:08:12.800 --> 01:08:15.680
damn prime. And it's probably nice
that there was no humans like also to

1069
01:08:15.760 --> 01:08:19.760
blend together. That's usually with the
CGI. Really really it's gonna say shine

1070
01:08:19.840 --> 01:08:24.199
in a bad way, I guess, but no, it it looked pretty

1071
01:08:24.239 --> 01:08:27.680
damn good. Yeah, Like I
kind of said, I'm like a fifty

1072
01:08:27.680 --> 01:08:29.560
to fifty. I get that they
got to move a certain way when you

1073
01:08:29.600 --> 01:08:32.319
got them going up against predator.
I preferred where a few times where it

1074
01:08:32.520 --> 01:08:36.039
was the alien kind of sneaking up
and being more stealthy. But again,

1075
01:08:36.119 --> 01:08:39.720
there's times it's tough when you got
them doing that much action. You're gonna

1076
01:08:39.720 --> 01:08:42.560
see some guy in a suit eventually, But then there is over correction.

1077
01:08:42.680 --> 01:08:45.199
As I'm watching, we'll get to
them Prometheus in Government. There's times where

1078
01:08:45.199 --> 01:08:48.119
it's like, especially in Covenant,
when they go full overburns all CGI.

1079
01:08:48.199 --> 01:08:50.840
Then it's okay, well, now
I'd rather take the suit guy because this

1080
01:08:50.960 --> 01:08:55.479
just doesn't feel threatening at all.
When I know this actor's slapping just in

1081
01:08:55.600 --> 01:08:58.640
air or at least this guy that's
standing there moving around, it's like,

1082
01:08:58.680 --> 01:09:00.800
well I could buy that bit more. So, I'm pretty okay within this

1083
01:09:00.880 --> 01:09:04.960
one. But yeah, not my
favorite version as usual. Yeah, I

1084
01:09:06.199 --> 01:09:10.840
it blows my mind. That's some
projects today just don't hold up on the

1085
01:09:10.920 --> 01:09:15.079
CGI. And this movie just it's
not bad. It's really not bad.

1086
01:09:15.119 --> 01:09:17.119
When some of the aliens are jumping
in certain moments, I like it.

1087
01:09:17.159 --> 01:09:20.600
I think it's cool. Again,
the face huggers look great as well,

1088
01:09:21.159 --> 01:09:25.439
and the face huggers look good.
I think. Yeah, the Queen,

1089
01:09:25.479 --> 01:09:28.800
like you said, Kirkland, I
think that's pretty dang good, especially for

1090
01:09:29.079 --> 01:09:32.279
the end sequence as well, and
you get that predator doing that just like

1091
01:09:33.800 --> 01:09:36.640
I don't know, he just pulled
a sheave move and he just takes that

1092
01:09:36.800 --> 01:09:41.880
spear and like backhands, not even
facing the alien queen, but jump here

1093
01:09:42.199 --> 01:09:45.279
flip. Oh my god, it's
fucking cool. The only time you'll ever

1094
01:09:45.319 --> 01:09:49.479
see a predator do that, like
in any any movie. I think,

1095
01:09:50.319 --> 01:09:53.760
No he does. He doesn't bust
that out again w rec room with the

1096
01:09:54.479 --> 01:09:59.039
flip stat Oh no, no,
that's that's superhero level. But yeah,

1097
01:09:59.039 --> 01:10:02.199
I think as far as the I
like how every alien looks different, and

1098
01:10:02.560 --> 01:10:05.800
I can appreciate the original one.
These ones, yea, their movements are

1099
01:10:05.960 --> 01:10:11.359
very different, like you said,
serpent eel like, but I do like

1100
01:10:11.520 --> 01:10:15.960
their design, and I think the
difference is you don't see, aside from

1101
01:10:15.000 --> 01:10:20.359
the queen, these aliens standing up
like a human wood. I guess in

1102
01:10:20.399 --> 01:10:24.680
that sense like your alien Isolation.
Even like the original alien, there are

1103
01:10:24.760 --> 01:10:28.640
some moments where it's standing up.
I think one was it when it was

1104
01:10:28.760 --> 01:10:31.439
killing the girl and the guy,
basically when they're trying to get the oxygen

1105
01:10:31.720 --> 01:10:34.760
and all that jazz. So it
stands up fully and it's just in aquol

1106
01:10:34.840 --> 01:10:38.479
little fight scene. But these ones
are always crouched down. Even when they're

1107
01:10:38.560 --> 01:10:40.880
escaping on the sled to get up
the tunnel, you see them, they're

1108
01:10:40.920 --> 01:10:45.800
all crouched down, and I like
that. They're more kind of like sneaky

1109
01:10:46.079 --> 01:10:48.520
like that, I guess. But
they're a design too, I can really

1110
01:10:48.560 --> 01:10:54.319
appreciate. I just love how sleek
and black and shiny they're their domes are

1111
01:10:54.479 --> 01:11:00.359
and their their heads. It's just
very eerie and freaky. So yeah,

1112
01:11:01.960 --> 01:11:06.720
right, good domes. Uh.
I guess I got another question for you,

1113
01:11:06.760 --> 01:11:10.640
guys, how do you actually feel
Whalen in the use of uh the

1114
01:11:10.720 --> 01:11:15.840
old man Whalen in this in this
movie take take it at Kirkland, I'll

1115
01:11:15.880 --> 01:11:18.960
take mine. I know you like
the one scene. Yeah, it's it's

1116
01:11:19.239 --> 01:11:23.560
it's cemented in my brain. Like
if if I get old and gray and

1117
01:11:23.600 --> 01:11:26.479
I start forgetting things, I feel
like I'll still remember that scene of don't

1118
01:11:26.560 --> 01:11:35.560
turn it off back ons in the
hospital blast them with fire. Yeah,

1119
01:11:36.600 --> 01:11:41.800
I guess he's dying, so kind
of makes sense. But like, dude,

1120
01:11:41.840 --> 01:11:45.079
just don't do anything, just let
the predit and like that's just so

1121
01:11:45.319 --> 01:11:47.399
cowardly too, the way they do, you know, like he waits for

1122
01:11:47.520 --> 01:11:51.039
the threat to turn his back,
just fucking flamethrows in with his can of

1123
01:11:51.079 --> 01:11:57.760
hair spray in his pocket. Yeah, I I love it for nostalgia reasons

1124
01:11:57.800 --> 01:12:00.960
and just the meme, but it's
it's a pretty ridiculou this moment. I

1125
01:12:00.119 --> 01:12:05.960
love that. Uh what's his name, Lance Hendry. Yeah, it's like

1126
01:12:06.039 --> 01:12:10.560
it's fun now going through Aliens and
just seeing him actually pop up in these

1127
01:12:10.600 --> 01:12:14.199
movies, Like it's nice that he's
like Whalin now like like that, that's

1128
01:12:14.279 --> 01:12:16.479
kind of a fun thing. I
will say, though, the more I

1129
01:12:17.039 --> 01:12:23.000
experienced Whalin, the far less of
an intriguing character he is. And uh,

1130
01:12:23.239 --> 01:12:26.560
you know, we're doing another movie
to talk about and uh yeah,

1131
01:12:26.640 --> 01:12:30.920
I just don't like Whalen at all. I don't like it. It's it's

1132
01:12:30.960 --> 01:12:33.279
like, the best version of Alien
is when it's basically hidden. The best

1133
01:12:33.359 --> 01:12:36.359
version of Whalen is when you just
don't see him and he just represents this

1134
01:12:36.720 --> 01:12:42.479
this company that's just the biggest company
ever and they just have endless pockets and

1135
01:12:42.560 --> 01:12:45.960
you don't fully understand their motivations.
Well then you meet the fucking guy and

1136
01:12:46.079 --> 01:12:48.960
he just wants to just I don't
know, going a thrill ride on his

1137
01:12:49.079 --> 01:12:54.279
last Like he's he's he's doing a
bucket list thing, like I just wanna

1138
01:12:54.960 --> 01:12:58.399
just want to see these things close
and personal and blow torch him in the

1139
01:12:58.439 --> 01:13:01.199
face. But yeah, I not
a fan of Whalen as a character at

1140
01:13:01.239 --> 01:13:06.800
all in every version I've seen him
in so far. And uh yeah,

1141
01:13:06.840 --> 01:13:13.319
that scene definitely holds up though for
the mean purpose at least, I agree

1142
01:13:13.319 --> 01:13:15.560
with that being a say, except
for it holds up. I mean,

1143
01:13:15.600 --> 01:13:19.079
I don't that's fair. It's fair. You know, it's maybe twenty years

1144
01:13:19.119 --> 01:13:23.199
from now you'll find it funny,
but you just saw it for Monday.

1145
01:13:23.279 --> 01:13:26.680
Maybe not exactly. Yeah, maybe
in a week or so it'll it'll hit

1146
01:13:26.720 --> 01:13:31.359
that nostalgic love for me. But
I did like the angle of the predator

1147
01:13:31.439 --> 01:13:35.399
doing his doing his heat vision and
seeing just that cancer just going hamm or

1148
01:13:35.439 --> 01:13:39.439
whatever it was inside of him,
and then deeming him not worthy and just

1149
01:13:39.560 --> 01:13:44.439
leaving him there. So for that
moment was really good until the until he

1150
01:13:44.680 --> 01:13:47.680
shouts that just cheesy ass lone.
I can see why that would be a

1151
01:13:47.760 --> 01:13:53.520
meme favorite for you. It's definitely
it's definitely in that in that actual don't

1152
01:13:53.640 --> 01:14:00.479
done back on me, I think
it it's I I appreciate they try to

1153
01:14:00.600 --> 01:14:02.760
put in some lore stuff as far
as connected to other movies, right,

1154
01:14:02.760 --> 01:14:08.439
because it's familiar face. But uh, that's where my appreciation uh kind of

1155
01:14:08.520 --> 01:14:12.039
ends for it there. I don't
think I don't think it's don't think it's

1156
01:14:12.239 --> 01:14:15.720
needed. I when we tell the
other review, I prefer that route.

1157
01:14:15.359 --> 01:14:20.640
But in these movies, these original
ones, even in Alien three, it's

1158
01:14:20.880 --> 01:14:25.199
very random when he just comes back
like I'm whaling. I'm the real guy.

1159
01:14:25.960 --> 01:14:29.079
It's always like, all right,
we're doing this right now, Okay,

1160
01:14:29.159 --> 01:14:33.560
Like it's even if you weren't even
whaling in those Alien movies, right,

1161
01:14:33.640 --> 01:14:38.119
That's the weird thing, is he
not? No, he's just the

1162
01:14:38.159 --> 01:14:43.840
guy that created those those robots in
Alien three, and then in Aliens he's

1163
01:14:43.880 --> 01:14:46.159
called Bishop, and then in this
movie, Yeah, I think he's calling

1164
01:14:47.760 --> 01:14:51.680
No Alien three, that's he's whaling. He's he's not whaling in that he

1165
01:14:51.880 --> 01:14:57.760
when he talks to sing Gordy before
she jumps, he is a different place.

1166
01:14:58.520 --> 01:15:03.640
Clement Clements, where's his name?
I remember looking into it and they

1167
01:15:04.000 --> 01:15:09.279
pulled out that he was and everything, well, but not looking into it.

1168
01:15:09.359 --> 01:15:12.840
In the movie, doesn't he say
I'm Whalen and I'm here to like

1169
01:15:12.960 --> 01:15:15.079
give you a new life if you
give it the alien Like I'm going by

1170
01:15:15.159 --> 01:15:18.760
that in my head canon and canon. This movie is not canon. But

1171
01:15:18.880 --> 01:15:23.600
I thought we talked about Oh yeah, they based some of those draw whatever

1172
01:15:23.760 --> 01:15:27.159
robots on whalan because he's the guy
what they say he's Clemens, Like I

1173
01:15:27.199 --> 01:15:30.520
think he starts by saying Clemens.
Michael Bishop. Is this guy's name?

1174
01:15:30.920 --> 01:15:35.800
That's that's who he is in the
an Alien three? Michael Bishop? Yeah,

1175
01:15:35.920 --> 01:15:40.159
Michael Bishop. And so he's got
the the the robots he's made called

1176
01:15:40.199 --> 01:15:45.840
Bishop. He was an executive officer
of the whalen Utwani Corporation, and he

1177
01:15:45.960 --> 01:15:51.760
designed the Bishop androids. Is Bishop
a robot then? Or a man?

1178
01:15:53.439 --> 01:15:57.880
Well? Bishop in Aliens is?
But then, okay, who's Clemens?

1179
01:15:57.920 --> 01:16:01.079
Who's who Alien three? Aliens three? His name is Michael Bishop, So

1180
01:16:01.159 --> 01:16:05.399
he's not c Where do we get
this is the guy that Sigourney hooks the

1181
01:16:05.439 --> 01:16:12.159
doctor? Yeah that's right, So
hey, this guy's what's the guy's name

1182
01:16:12.159 --> 01:16:17.279
from Aliens three? Again? Michael? Mind right now? Buttle this?

1183
01:16:17.600 --> 01:16:23.159
So no, Bishop wasn't Aliens.
I thought you just say in Aliens the

1184
01:16:23.319 --> 01:16:27.960
droid is called Bishop. The creator
of the droids is called Michael Bishop,

1185
01:16:28.000 --> 01:16:32.000
and Alien three makes them. So
I thought Whalan built it after himself because

1186
01:16:32.000 --> 01:16:35.000
his ego is so bad. That's
Prometheus, I'd say. That's now.

1187
01:16:35.039 --> 01:16:39.079
I thought we talked about Alien three. I'm with Dayla and dilanmore. I

1188
01:16:39.119 --> 01:16:42.439
thought we talked about this actively to
go back. Okay, So let's say

1189
01:16:42.439 --> 01:16:45.239
if we didn't do that, So
why does Whalan look like Michael Bishop?

1190
01:16:46.640 --> 01:16:54.279
Well that I don't know. This
is his name is Charles Bishop? Whyland

1191
01:16:54.439 --> 01:16:59.399
in in a VP? So I
get I think they're just they're just well,

1192
01:16:59.600 --> 01:17:02.520
or you could argue that Michael Bishops
uh in the Whalen family. Still,

1193
01:17:02.880 --> 01:17:05.640
but Travis, you're trying to make
You've already said this isn't cannon for

1194
01:17:05.680 --> 01:17:08.560
you. I know you're trying to
make this cannon because this is the only

1195
01:17:09.279 --> 01:17:13.720
that you see in their mind.
If they're making this as a prequel sequel

1196
01:17:13.840 --> 01:17:16.199
right to Alien? Who the fuck
is this guy? He's Whalen? Right?

1197
01:17:16.399 --> 01:17:18.800
He said? Who is Michael Bishop? And three? That looks exactly

1198
01:17:19.119 --> 01:17:24.600
like Lance Hendrickson. He's a yaucha
under the mask. Or I'm not gonna

1199
01:17:24.680 --> 01:17:27.880
let their bad decisions go by Well, I considered, what f movie?

1200
01:17:27.920 --> 01:17:30.920
No, we're talking about this movie
right now? Why the fuck does Whalen

1201
01:17:30.000 --> 01:17:33.319
look like Michael Bishop? But why
the same person? You can see that

1202
01:17:33.439 --> 01:17:38.359
about like an actor in the MCU
that plays a different character in the MCU.

1203
01:17:38.439 --> 01:17:40.159
It's like, well, why does
he look the same. There's a

1204
01:17:40.239 --> 01:17:44.359
lot of difference from Jim and champlaining, look just like the blue alien from

1205
01:17:44.600 --> 01:17:46.199
but she's a blue alien that no
one knew where this is like, looks

1206
01:17:46.279 --> 01:17:51.039
like her a famous actor at this
point. He has a big role in

1207
01:17:51.159 --> 01:17:57.600
two AM three. No, this
is this guy and this one supposed to

1208
01:17:57.600 --> 01:18:04.039
be a descendant of the actor.
Well, it's not the original wal Yes,

1209
01:18:04.119 --> 01:18:10.920
I guess it's not that whaling clearly
not, because that is so okay,

1210
01:18:10.960 --> 01:18:15.640
bring a little bit in that guy
Pierces. Uh, that's the Whalen,

1211
01:18:15.800 --> 01:18:19.399
right, that's the that's like the
Steve Jobs right right, Yeah,

1212
01:18:19.640 --> 01:18:24.000
okay, So then this guy,
this one was a descendant of that guy.

1213
01:18:24.479 --> 01:18:27.239
But that guy was you know,
on ice for a long time.

1214
01:18:27.319 --> 01:18:30.119
Presumably what's this what's this descendant thing? Though? Like, are you talking

1215
01:18:30.119 --> 01:18:34.720
about this movie or Aliens three?
Well, because there's there's time difference,

1216
01:18:34.720 --> 01:18:42.359
because remember this is a different movie. Let's just say if the av movie

1217
01:18:42.399 --> 01:18:46.560
they made it to be canon.
Yeah, but remember message, that's the

1218
01:18:46.640 --> 01:18:48.960
thing. This takes place in two
thousand and four. That's why we're using

1219
01:18:48.960 --> 01:18:53.520
the sentence thing because when alying takes
place, it's like yeah, because that's

1220
01:18:53.520 --> 01:18:57.039
wha does take place, like yeah, when it came out right yes,

1221
01:18:57.640 --> 01:19:00.199
So it's like, that's why I'm
saying descents because if like this Whalen,

1222
01:19:00.439 --> 01:19:05.319
he's clearly no, he's dead right
when we get to alien with Ripley.

1223
01:19:05.720 --> 01:19:10.159
So this guy just has to be
like another rich guy and he gave it

1224
01:19:10.239 --> 01:19:14.840
to his son, who I guess
I'm getting is his guy pierced his son

1225
01:19:14.880 --> 01:19:17.319
if you were trying to make it
all work, but like his grandson or

1226
01:19:17.960 --> 01:19:20.960
something like that. So that's what
you mean by to send that Clements is

1227
01:19:21.000 --> 01:19:28.880
somewhere in there. They're doing Jurassic
A doctor that's a Gourny. He's secretly

1228
01:19:29.720 --> 01:19:35.039
she came out of he's a bastard
like there's it depends how you look at

1229
01:19:35.079 --> 01:19:39.720
it. I just I don't see
how this How many clans are there in

1230
01:19:39.720 --> 01:19:45.439
the Whalem family a lot like this. This Michael Bishop guy is just he's

1231
01:19:45.600 --> 01:19:49.239
he worked for a different company and
then got hired on with the Whaling company,

1232
01:19:49.399 --> 01:19:53.880
like he just he designed the robots. Now in Prometheus you have a

1233
01:19:53.960 --> 01:19:57.920
Peter Whaland and now an a VP
you have Charles Whalen, Like they're just

1234
01:19:58.000 --> 01:20:00.680
there's all these different Whalen's, right, and this Charles Whalen is supposed to

1235
01:20:00.720 --> 01:20:04.199
be the guy that started the Whalen
Corporation. And then you have Peter Whalen,

1236
01:20:04.239 --> 01:20:09.279
who started the Whalen Corporation. So
then there's other Whalens in the game,

1237
01:20:09.680 --> 01:20:14.239
right, Like there's so many different
Whalens. So it's awful interpret Now

1238
01:20:14.319 --> 01:20:15.319
I take it away from them,
and I'm like, oh, for lower

1239
01:20:15.399 --> 01:20:17.760
purses is good. But I'm with
you, don't. I thought with three

1240
01:20:17.880 --> 01:20:24.000
that he was like similar to what
we talked about. We will talk about

1241
01:20:24.039 --> 01:20:26.880
Prometheus, but Prometheus they don't talk
about like, oh, I made these

1242
01:20:26.960 --> 01:20:29.479
robots look like me. So I
thought that's what was happening here. Lance

1243
01:20:29.520 --> 01:20:32.960
Hendrickson, I don't see it any
I don't have Canona's lore being related to

1244
01:20:33.159 --> 01:20:36.199
like being Whalen. Later on.
I think they just the creators saw,

1245
01:20:36.319 --> 01:20:40.600
hey, let's bring in Lance Hendrickson
he needs a paycheck. This will be

1246
01:20:40.680 --> 01:20:44.399
a cool tie into the Aliens.
Have you seen him lately? He needs

1247
01:20:44.399 --> 01:20:54.640
a paycheck. He smells awful,
shower interesting. I love our playground.

1248
01:20:54.840 --> 01:20:59.439
I love the under Ice Temple.
It's it's a fun hunting ground, especially

1249
01:20:59.560 --> 01:21:03.560
which is every ten minutes it kind
of shifts on itself. Sebas Shit as

1250
01:21:03.600 --> 01:21:09.399
a character. I remember liking a
lot more, probably because lines like la

1251
01:21:09.479 --> 01:21:14.560
Luna del katcha totally linguini whatever that
it says. I can't say that last

1252
01:21:14.600 --> 01:21:18.840
word, Like, I remember it
being more interesting. It's kind of funny

1253
01:21:19.399 --> 01:21:25.840
when he's like translating something. I
think lex is like, can can you

1254
01:21:25.920 --> 01:21:28.640
translate it? It's like, I'll
try, and then it just goes to

1255
01:21:28.720 --> 01:21:32.920
a full fucking cinematic movie on like
very in depth details of what wins on

1256
01:21:33.039 --> 01:21:36.239
the past. I think I'll try
and translate it, and then he just

1257
01:21:36.359 --> 01:21:42.520
details everything like there was one thousand
and one aliens exactly that rose to the

1258
01:21:42.640 --> 01:21:46.359
top, and getting very in depth
imagery of the sacrifices and everything, and

1259
01:21:46.720 --> 01:21:50.520
so that was kind of funny to
experience. In the hindsight, I guess

1260
01:21:50.560 --> 01:21:55.359
you kind of have to tell that
tale because up until that point, we

1261
01:21:55.479 --> 01:22:00.760
never actually saw like the alien or
sorry, the predators in the godlike role

1262
01:22:00.840 --> 01:22:04.159
of being on the pyramid, So
that's I guess where you have that scene.

1263
01:22:04.239 --> 01:22:09.199
But yeah, it just seemed like
that guy had all the answers to

1264
01:22:09.319 --> 01:22:12.960
everything, like, oh, it's
a calendar, it's it's in metric and

1265
01:22:14.000 --> 01:22:15.720
ten ten, it's like what's a
year one hundred years ago? And like

1266
01:22:15.800 --> 01:22:19.840
he just knew everything. So that
kind of was annoying a little bit.

1267
01:22:19.960 --> 01:22:27.039
But yeah, I like his bottle
cap. I guess I like, uh,

1268
01:22:27.800 --> 01:22:30.079
I'm sorry, I don't have anything
out on that one. Kirkland,

1269
01:22:30.439 --> 01:22:32.920
That's fine. I had talk over
I didn't. I didn't love the human

1270
01:22:33.039 --> 01:22:38.800
characters, but in Xenopedia, I
love when they talk about Michael Bishop.

1271
01:22:38.840 --> 01:22:43.720
Michael Bishop was an executor assis for
Wayland, the Utanny Corporation in the late

1272
01:22:43.800 --> 01:22:48.319
twenty second century. He notably designed
Bishops series androids. He also bore a

1273
01:22:48.479 --> 01:22:56.279
striking resemblance to Charles Bishop whitalan,
co founder Wayalan Industries. That's just how

1274
01:22:56.319 --> 01:23:00.439
they explained that they have they just
look alike. So just like then said

1275
01:23:00.520 --> 01:23:02.640
in the n C, they just
they just look alike. There, So

1276
01:23:04.199 --> 01:23:09.520
on that note, have we ever
interacted with a utawni in any we have

1277
01:23:10.399 --> 01:23:14.119
in the movies? Uh? Not
yet yet. Well I'll leave it at

1278
01:23:14.159 --> 01:23:17.720
that, we ever and then you
would, oh, wait, were you

1279
01:23:17.800 --> 01:23:21.000
asking like what we've reviewed so far? Just in general? Anything, just

1280
01:23:21.079 --> 01:23:27.039
anything we ever seen this character?
And was like, yes, but has

1281
01:23:27.199 --> 01:23:30.880
seen this character public? But they
don't talk about this character much? Is

1282
01:23:30.920 --> 01:23:33.960
it interested? Is it? It's
a requiem? It's not any of the

1283
01:23:34.000 --> 01:23:38.279
scott Ones coming up right, Yeah, because I don't think Scott Yeah,

1284
01:23:38.319 --> 01:23:48.640
he wasn't doing that. So it's
Lance Hendrix striking resemblance to Bishop Bishop Clemens

1285
01:23:48.720 --> 01:23:55.439
and there Clemens, Waylon Clemens.
Utani. He's the Utani, He's the

1286
01:23:55.520 --> 01:23:59.960
bastard. Go ahead, Sorry no, yeah, I I I just agree.

1287
01:24:00.119 --> 01:24:03.600
I like a lot of the sets
that they made for this. I

1288
01:24:03.680 --> 01:24:06.520
think maybe would have liked a little
bit more variety. I didn't really expect

1289
01:24:06.560 --> 01:24:10.880
this whole movie to take place in
just like one kind of zone, but

1290
01:24:10.960 --> 01:24:13.880
it did. I'm curious what the
setting of the second one will be,

1291
01:24:14.119 --> 01:24:16.840
just in terms of hopefully get some
more variety there. But I think my

1292
01:24:17.159 --> 01:24:21.840
favorite set piece in here was just
the the room of the shifting walls and

1293
01:24:23.039 --> 01:24:26.640
floors. I just love that trope
in general. So I don't know if

1294
01:24:26.640 --> 01:24:29.159
there's anything special to say, It's
just it was just fun. It was

1295
01:24:29.199 --> 01:24:31.479
just fun having these some people getting
trapped another one some people getting crushed.

1296
01:24:31.720 --> 01:24:35.359
Like it's just it's it's good stuff
there. I will say that the scene,

1297
01:24:36.159 --> 01:24:42.079
it's a bit later on when Sebastian
and Woods are like going through that

1298
01:24:42.239 --> 01:24:45.880
doorway that's closing that classic scene,
that stone doorway that's rising up the way

1299
01:24:45.920 --> 01:24:48.760
they shot that, I'm like,
Sebastian is one hundred pcent getting crushed here,

1300
01:24:49.159 --> 01:24:53.760
and based on like how how quickly
someone can crawl, there's no way

1301
01:24:53.960 --> 01:24:58.359
he made it out of that thing. I was I with the behind him

1302
01:24:58.399 --> 01:25:01.319
too, Yeah, exactly, Yeah, that just whizz by. I mean

1303
01:25:01.479 --> 01:25:04.199
Woods as well, just generally.
We talked about this with Alien, but

1304
01:25:04.800 --> 01:25:08.560
goddamn, does she ever have plot
armor, Like, especially when she's falling

1305
01:25:08.640 --> 01:25:12.319
from that bridge kind of thing that's
crumbling under her. Once again, no

1306
01:25:12.520 --> 01:25:15.439
way in hell that she would have
been caught by Sebastian there, and then

1307
01:25:15.479 --> 01:25:18.720
he got caught right after that.
Por Sebastian, yeah, port Sebastian,

1308
01:25:18.960 --> 01:25:24.319
yeah. Yeah. The temple must
have been designed by Kiaran Jindash or something

1309
01:25:24.399 --> 01:25:31.199
from dishonor to Clockwork Mansion. Absolutely, I don't know if I have much

1310
01:25:31.399 --> 01:25:35.880
else to I think just my last
shout right, here is the Predator with

1311
01:25:36.039 --> 01:25:40.479
that one little one two punch of
like slicing the face hugger in half with

1312
01:25:40.600 --> 01:25:45.880
his scar s thing and then like
decapitating the other alien like that was that

1313
01:25:45.000 --> 01:25:53.640
was badass. So shout out to
him. Oh yeah, the what was

1314
01:25:53.680 --> 01:25:58.760
I gonna say? The Oh no, kill time, kill time. I

1315
01:25:58.800 --> 01:26:04.920
got a Bishop hendrickson the third,
Charles Utani the fifth is. I hope

1316
01:26:04.920 --> 01:26:09.640
he's in Romulus. I hope there's
a I hope they get Lance Heneryson back

1317
01:26:09.720 --> 01:26:13.399
again to play another bishop there.
Yeah, that interesting. Looks like a

1318
01:26:13.520 --> 01:26:16.960
kind of a No Name cast for
the most part for Romulus. I could

1319
01:26:17.000 --> 01:26:20.800
be wrong. They're up and comers
because that the lady from Civil War that

1320
01:26:20.920 --> 01:26:25.279
was a young photographer. She's she's
gonna be a big deal, remember she's

1321
01:26:25.640 --> 01:26:30.920
yeah, and she's trail. And
there's somebody else too that is it's it's

1322
01:26:30.960 --> 01:26:33.520
a lot of people that I think
when you watched No Name, that's of

1323
01:26:33.640 --> 01:26:35.720
course, yeah, but no,
they're on the up and up yeah,

1324
01:26:36.199 --> 01:26:41.920
and there's another Oh and then and
then Isabelle I think her name is Marcette.

1325
01:26:42.000 --> 01:26:45.079
Yeah, so she was Door the
Explorer, but she's gonna be big

1326
01:26:45.079 --> 01:26:48.960
because James gonna casters Hawk Girl in
the DCU. So and she's also in

1327
01:26:49.039 --> 01:26:51.880
another project to come up. So
I think this is a cast that when

1328
01:26:51.920 --> 01:26:55.920
you watch five years from now,
you'll be like, oh, they got

1329
01:26:55.960 --> 01:27:00.439
these people a lot earlier than she
wasn't Adam Webbs, so maybe not so

1330
01:27:00.560 --> 01:27:04.600
good there, Oh that's what she
is. She's she's playing Dina in Last

1331
01:27:04.640 --> 01:27:08.199
of Us and that's gonna be a
huge role for her. She's it's not

1332
01:27:08.319 --> 01:27:16.720
big spoiler's girlfriend. Yeah, so
it's yeah, you know he did that

1333
01:27:16.800 --> 01:27:25.159
was perfect. So Max Whalen Utawny's
Clempson's his little recruiter guy that went around.

1334
01:27:25.680 --> 01:27:28.359
I love that. It was just
the same guy that literally was just

1335
01:27:28.479 --> 01:27:32.800
everywhere to recruit everyone. And it's
like a very critical like globetrotter, like

1336
01:27:32.920 --> 01:27:40.159
they call Lex like I'm a week
from the rest of the world. He's

1337
01:27:40.279 --> 01:27:43.800
just there. Yeah, wait then
can't wait that long. And then he's

1338
01:27:43.880 --> 01:27:49.520
like in Mexico recruiting Sebastian and like
I imagine he did that for every member

1339
01:27:49.680 --> 01:27:53.079
on the team, Like, I
can't imagine whether it be anyone else.

1340
01:27:53.159 --> 01:27:58.520
So maybe he's, uh, maybe
he's the creator of his own Maxwell droids.

1341
01:27:58.640 --> 01:28:01.560
Maybe maybe that's that is. There's
just hundreds out there in the world,

1342
01:28:01.640 --> 01:28:04.600
just recruiting them all. But did
you did you not recognize him?

1343
01:28:04.640 --> 01:28:09.840
Kirkland? I definitely recognized him.
What do I recognize him from? From

1344
01:28:09.880 --> 01:28:12.880
Game of Thrones? No? No, no, he was God, I

1345
01:28:12.880 --> 01:28:15.600
don't know. I'm forgetting his name
here. Let me find out his character

1346
01:28:15.720 --> 01:28:21.960
name because right now clicking guy fall
let's see here he's in all the pure

1347
01:28:23.119 --> 01:28:29.600
spawns. Oh what the hell?
He's Charles Charles Robinson. They I don't

1348
01:28:29.640 --> 01:28:33.359
know the last name, but Charles
is the characters Yeah, last name.

1349
01:28:33.880 --> 01:28:38.479
Yeah, Charles is also a character
that's in the Craig Ones and I think

1350
01:28:38.479 --> 01:28:40.239
he might have been the older ones. I don't know those one as well.

1351
01:28:40.279 --> 01:28:43.159
But yeah, he was in every
single Purest one. So he was

1352
01:28:43.239 --> 01:28:46.439
like M's right hand guy. Yeah. Yeah, he's cool, not too,

1353
01:28:46.479 --> 01:28:51.920
he's good at playing a cool guy. Also in the same director,

1354
01:28:53.079 --> 01:28:57.319
same director. Yeah, that's funny. This guy directed some fucking resident evil.

1355
01:28:57.520 --> 01:29:00.119
This the More movie def racy.
Yeah, it's a crazy career,

1356
01:29:00.239 --> 01:29:05.119
Like he definitely has his niche good
for him, Like was this a successful

1357
01:29:05.199 --> 01:29:09.239
movie at the time, like that
sequel? So it must have been right.

1358
01:29:09.319 --> 01:29:11.199
They must have been happy with it. I'll pull up the budget.

1359
01:29:11.439 --> 01:29:15.199
This guy his movies, you know, they may not be looked back upon

1360
01:29:15.319 --> 01:29:17.239
as the greatest cinema, But I
feel like he probably just rakes it in

1361
01:29:17.319 --> 01:29:23.000
at the box office. That's the
impression I get. This had a budget

1362
01:29:23.039 --> 01:29:25.960
of sixty to seventy and then it
made one hundred and seventy million, so

1363
01:29:26.000 --> 01:29:29.479
it made about one hundred million dollar
profit a little less than that because obviously

1364
01:29:29.920 --> 01:29:33.720
sales to back then for sure,
But then the it's like even that bad

1365
01:29:34.119 --> 01:29:38.399
by the new DVD every time he
watches it. So he's got twenty five

1366
01:29:38.479 --> 01:29:42.279
copies, none of them are the
unrated version. Why did they release this

1367
01:29:42.880 --> 01:29:45.159
November? One of the dates for
the United States for Alien recommends? December

1368
01:29:45.159 --> 01:29:49.359
twenty fifth, United States. I've
ember seeing in theaters original? Why did

1369
01:29:49.359 --> 01:29:54.920
they put down Christmas? But even
that's not so bad. Budget forty million,

1370
01:29:54.960 --> 01:29:57.680
They made one hundred thirty million,
so they made about forty million last

1371
01:29:57.840 --> 01:30:10.720
but still like the third well there's
I tried, yeah loaded torch. Well

1372
01:30:10.760 --> 01:30:14.359
there is that everyone's hoping. Remember
we've told this before. There's that locked

1373
01:30:14.359 --> 01:30:18.840
away anime series that they did.
Yeah, it's yes, and they never

1374
01:30:18.920 --> 01:30:23.439
released it. I think you might
see it one day, maybe that leak

1375
01:30:23.560 --> 01:30:27.039
that happened, you'll see it.
But I tweeted out too. I think

1376
01:30:27.079 --> 01:30:30.359
it was the Straws brothers that did
Requiem, and I was tweeting out all

1377
01:30:30.399 --> 01:30:32.079
the time and they just never responded
to me. I was. I was

1378
01:30:32.159 --> 01:30:40.960
desperate, like I was always you
tweeted out or something paper, it wasn't

1379
01:30:41.000 --> 01:30:44.720
digital. Twitter wasn't on two thousand
and seven, Taylor, I didn't say

1380
01:30:44.760 --> 01:30:47.640
that. So how did you When
did you tweet them? You think it

1381
01:30:47.760 --> 01:30:53.880
was a few years after this?
Uh? Because I after after a pr

1382
01:30:54.000 --> 01:30:57.439
released. Okay, when are you
looking at when Twitter started? There,

1383
01:30:57.520 --> 01:31:00.800
Dylan, that you've seen when Requiem
came out? Okay, And I look

1384
01:31:00.840 --> 01:31:03.359
at when Twitter started because I would
have been in high school at the time,

1385
01:31:04.119 --> 01:31:08.279
So I want to say it was
like twenty eleven. I think I

1386
01:31:08.439 --> 01:31:11.039
was. I was, you know, four years after the movie came out.

1387
01:31:11.159 --> 01:31:14.359
Like, that's that's not how you
get a move. See another sequel.

1388
01:31:14.479 --> 01:31:15.439
Well, because I was waiting,
waiting and waiting, and finally I

1389
01:31:15.560 --> 01:31:17.760
just got sick and tired of it. I need to go to the source.

1390
01:31:18.479 --> 01:31:20.960
So you were going to on Twitter
to tweet it them. I went

1391
01:31:21.039 --> 01:31:24.439
to the source and I started trying
to reach out. When was Twitter?

1392
01:31:24.600 --> 01:31:28.000
Was it was before twenty eleven,
right, Yeah? Actually technically it was

1393
01:31:28.079 --> 01:31:30.680
before Recreem in its July fifteen,
two thousand and six. Yeah, but

1394
01:31:30.760 --> 01:31:33.560
no one used it. No,
it was a nothing app at that point.

1395
01:31:33.640 --> 01:31:36.039
I after they didn't use it,
then I feel like it got big

1396
01:31:36.159 --> 01:31:40.840
twenty ten, twenty twelve, that's
when it started to like people were talking

1397
01:31:40.880 --> 01:31:43.000
about it was on website stuff.
But yeah, I think dyan'es right that

1398
01:31:43.039 --> 01:31:45.000
you kind of missed the mark.
A few years later, you know,

1399
01:31:45.920 --> 01:31:49.680
I still think Disney could. I
there's got I don't know what's gonna happen

1400
01:31:49.720 --> 01:31:51.920
with Ron and and Pray and everything, but there's got to be somebody that

1401
01:31:51.960 --> 01:31:57.399
could run this back and do something
actually to me worthwhile with it. Like,

1402
01:31:57.479 --> 01:32:00.199
I don't think there's it's loss.
I think there is some intes us

1403
01:32:00.279 --> 01:32:04.119
there. But I remember reading old
articles about this. The directors of ABPR,

1404
01:32:04.319 --> 01:32:08.640
like the idea and the concept was
they were going to go to space

1405
01:32:08.840 --> 01:32:13.239
next and have aliens preaters in space, which would have been the Bees means

1406
01:32:13.359 --> 01:32:16.680
where they should have where they should
have started on Earth. Oh my goodness.

1407
01:32:18.560 --> 01:32:23.199
Anything else for this, I've said
all I've had to say. No,

1408
01:32:23.319 --> 01:32:25.960
I found an AI trailer for Alien
vs. Preder three, So that's

1409
01:32:26.039 --> 01:32:30.520
great. Oh look someone April nineteen
versus Predator? What's the latest rumors on

1410
01:32:30.680 --> 01:32:39.119
AVP Central. That's the website.
Nice. Yeah, I was in all

1411
01:32:39.159 --> 01:32:44.520
those forums all the time and like
a VP three your forms? Oh yeah,

1412
01:32:44.840 --> 01:32:47.960
God damn. The Alien Predder Record
Movie also known as AVP two.

1413
01:32:48.039 --> 01:32:50.439
Let the door for a sequel in
the story, I won't go there.

1414
01:32:50.600 --> 01:32:54.840
I'm just trying to see, like
where do they think that it's there's concept

1415
01:32:55.039 --> 01:32:58.159
art on the used concept art.
There you go, the Alien Verse preador

1416
01:32:58.239 --> 01:33:04.479
the video game The Hunt Alien Versus
Predator Peter Biggs unproduced script. They did

1417
01:33:04.520 --> 01:33:09.600
a couple of things under there,
but nothing. Nothing really. But let's

1418
01:33:09.760 --> 01:33:12.960
get into some trivia before we get
our ratings here. So in a interview

1419
01:33:13.079 --> 01:33:16.359
Paul w Anderson, Paul W.
S Anderson said that Arnold Schwarz Singer was

1420
01:33:16.399 --> 01:33:20.000
offered the prices for as Dutch at
the end of the movie as a cameo,

1421
01:33:20.079 --> 01:33:25.640
but only if he lost the election
of California Governor Schwartzinger famously won and

1422
01:33:25.680 --> 01:33:29.319
he's unavailable to a pr so uh
so, yeah, if he lost,

1423
01:33:29.359 --> 01:33:30.680
that's the what if that he would
have come back as Dutch. And that's

1424
01:33:30.760 --> 01:33:36.119
that. That is the one they've
still not like there's a couple, but

1425
01:33:36.279 --> 01:33:41.439
like now we're going like Michael Keynes
Beiel Juice, Like there's only so many

1426
01:33:41.560 --> 01:33:45.479
eighties icons I haven't touched. And
he came back for Terminator. I think

1427
01:33:45.520 --> 01:33:50.039
there's a nothing came back for But
like the fact that they've never got him

1428
01:33:50.079 --> 01:33:54.960
back for Dutch als happened. I
don't know. I really don't know what

1429
01:33:55.159 --> 01:33:59.600
success Like, yeah, he has
a he has a his Netflix show's going

1430
01:33:59.600 --> 01:34:01.319
on in the season too. It
wasn't the greatest, But I just feel

1431
01:34:01.359 --> 01:34:04.920
like with Prey, they're doing like
a Praise sequel and they're rooming to do

1432
01:34:05.039 --> 01:34:09.760
like a Predator that's in apocalyptic time. I just don't know if they're gonna

1433
01:34:09.800 --> 01:34:12.079
do that. Maybe that'd be great
if he made it in the apocalyptic time

1434
01:34:12.119 --> 01:34:15.159
and Dutch and I think he could
fit there because like even in the Predator,

1435
01:34:15.239 --> 01:34:16.760
right, they were just toying with
the ideas, even though it was

1436
01:34:16.800 --> 01:34:21.279
super messy. They clearly want him
back and Predators they tried, and that's

1437
01:34:21.319 --> 01:34:25.520
why Lawrence Fishbourne going there because he
turned them down. So but the same

1438
01:34:25.560 --> 01:34:28.720
thing is he always turns them down, so they just not offering him money.

1439
01:34:28.920 --> 01:34:31.359
But like it's just it's so funny, you know, Sidneworny Weaver did

1440
01:34:31.399 --> 01:34:35.439
all these and still Arnold just the
one Predator, but the Alien Queen at

1441
01:34:35.479 --> 01:34:41.000
the time was the most sophisticated animatronic
ever built and at twice the moving parts.

1442
01:34:41.039 --> 01:34:45.319
It's the t Rex from Jurassic Park. Wow, that was a big

1443
01:34:45.399 --> 01:34:48.640
one. While the film languished and
development hell, twenty century Fox considered producing

1444
01:34:48.680 --> 01:34:53.960
a fifth Alien movie franch of the
franchise and said James Gramman wrote a script

1445
01:34:54.159 --> 01:34:58.079
and was going to produce it,
and then he was gonna have simgourney and

1446
01:34:58.119 --> 01:35:00.119
we were coming back and star of
course, and Ridley Scott was going to

1447
01:35:00.199 --> 01:35:03.880
direct it. They both met for
lunch and express interests and were very like

1448
01:35:04.079 --> 01:35:08.720
apparently for Scott and Cameron it was
like we're doing this. And then the

1449
01:35:08.800 --> 01:35:11.760
studio is like, now we're gonna
actually do Alien versus Predator because I guess

1450
01:35:12.039 --> 01:35:15.720
it wasn't Hell. And then the
rumor has Thatt, Paul Laius Anderson just

1451
01:35:15.760 --> 01:35:16.199
like what are you guys doing with
that? And they're like, oh,

1452
01:35:16.199 --> 01:35:17.319
you know. He's like, well, I want to make it, and

1453
01:35:17.439 --> 01:35:19.479
like, oh, you can make
it, Like it sounds like no one

1454
01:35:19.600 --> 01:35:23.039
really wanted to do it, and
Anderson was like I'll do it and like

1455
01:35:23.159 --> 01:35:27.119
sure. So that shut down Cameron
and Scott, and they were pissed about

1456
01:35:27.159 --> 01:35:30.960
it when they decided to use it
for a Crossovers story instead. Cameron Weaver's

1457
01:35:30.960 --> 01:35:33.359
got all distanced himself from any projects
and lay declaire they would never work on

1458
01:35:33.479 --> 01:35:36.760
either franchise ever. Again, Cameron
sees all work on the project, believing

1459
01:35:36.800 --> 01:35:41.479
the crossover kill the validity of the
franchise. Several years later, Scott did

1460
01:35:41.600 --> 01:35:44.079
end up working on Prometheus, which
was a rework of his pitch, so

1461
01:35:44.239 --> 01:35:45.520
that again he did work on it, but that was always something he had

1462
01:35:45.560 --> 01:35:49.000
been working on. This was the
first Alien franchise movie, and on touson

1463
01:35:49.039 --> 01:35:55.000
Goran Weaver, who said the idea
sounded awful, the crossover and uh so

1464
01:35:55.119 --> 01:35:57.680
really. Scott says he's never seen
any of these films in full. He

1465
01:35:57.760 --> 01:36:00.439
just couldn't bring himself to watch them. So he's seen bits and pieces,

1466
01:36:00.479 --> 01:36:02.840
but he was not a fan,
and that's why they don't In the Alien

1467
01:36:03.600 --> 01:36:08.159
Comedy, they don't count there.
The Morse code picked up by the salad

1468
01:36:08.479 --> 01:36:12.039
in the film spells out the worlds
who or spells it the words whoever wins,

1469
01:36:12.119 --> 01:36:14.560
we lose. This is, of
course the tagline that they use to

1470
01:36:14.600 --> 01:36:18.079
promote the film, So there you
go, the only film for either Alien

1471
01:36:18.159 --> 01:36:23.760
predt to get a PG thirteen rating. This led to much backlast from the

1472
01:36:23.840 --> 01:36:27.000
fans, and that's where he got
an unrady cut for the DVD. Pauloi

1473
01:36:27.079 --> 01:36:30.079
Anderson is just such a little slimy
piece of shit. Around the time the

1474
01:36:30.119 --> 01:36:35.000
film's released, it was reported that
Anderson had said that special industry screening of

1475
01:36:35.079 --> 01:36:39.319
the film was always planned as radar
and shot the way, but only three

1476
01:36:39.359 --> 01:36:43.560
weeks prior released, the studio severely
cut the film. This account has been

1477
01:36:43.640 --> 01:36:46.479
heavily disputed by the AVV writer Peter
Briggs. It was later revealed that the

1478
01:36:46.560 --> 01:36:50.920
press screening never actually took place,
and that was internet rumor Anderson said that

1479
01:36:51.000 --> 01:36:55.279
interview of the film had seen in
theatre's version that he intended for audiences,

1480
01:36:55.560 --> 01:36:58.960
however, to appease fans in an
unrated version, or made an unrayed version

1481
01:36:59.000 --> 01:37:02.520
for scenes in Gordler's release later,
So that guy just like he he shot

1482
01:37:02.600 --> 01:37:05.640
it as like it was always gonna
be PG thirteen and then they got up

1483
01:37:05.640 --> 01:37:09.880
to like, oh the studio they
uh, they made me cut this stuff.

1484
01:37:09.920 --> 01:37:12.039
And then after yeah, I just
lied about that, like what a

1485
01:37:12.319 --> 01:37:15.399
You know why he did is because
he just fucking want more money. Because

1486
01:37:15.399 --> 01:37:17.720
PG thirteen got him more money.
So I just like, what a slimy

1487
01:37:17.880 --> 01:37:20.840
like I hate that. It's like
good for him movie, he filled the

1488
01:37:20.920 --> 01:37:24.279
bank for his pocket, I guess. But what like a No, the

1489
01:37:24.319 --> 01:37:27.880
student, especially studio has always get
ship. So it's like such a believable

1490
01:37:27.960 --> 01:37:30.079
lie. Imagine back then, I'm
like, no, three weeks before they

1491
01:37:30.159 --> 01:37:32.600
made me cut all this stuff,
and then the writer's like, no,

1492
01:37:32.800 --> 01:37:38.399
that's not what happened. So,
uh he's married to Mila Joviovic. Yeah,

1493
01:37:38.520 --> 01:37:41.199
that's why she's in all his like
movies. Yeah, he wrote every

1494
01:37:41.279 --> 01:37:44.880
person, Well that's wild. Yeah, they're just freaking in them, like

1495
01:37:44.920 --> 01:37:47.880
that's I mean, this guy,
this is a purely for money kids,

1496
01:37:48.000 --> 01:37:53.840
Travis, come onspect the hustle.
Yeah, exactly right, that's nothing tour

1497
01:37:53.920 --> 01:37:58.159
director that I'm too big A fan
of Early reports claimed that the story was

1498
01:37:58.199 --> 01:38:00.840
about humans who tried to lure pretters
with alien eggs, all though the idea

1499
01:38:00.880 --> 01:38:03.560
was scratched, which that didn't sound
any better with what we got, Like,

1500
01:38:03.600 --> 01:38:06.920
I don't know the idea of like, so humans get eggs like that?

1501
01:38:08.239 --> 01:38:10.760
Yeah, human? So the idea
is human get eggs and they I

1502
01:38:10.800 --> 01:38:13.760
guess there's some plot reason why they
want to get predators. So they like,

1503
01:38:14.359 --> 01:38:17.079
we have your mousetrap. It's a
big mouse trap right on. That

1504
01:38:17.359 --> 01:38:24.960
sounds confusing, So whatever, here's
our boy here. With the filming of

1505
01:38:25.039 --> 01:38:29.039
this movie, Lance Anderson became the
second actor to be killed on screen by

1506
01:38:29.079 --> 01:38:31.479
an alien, a predator, and
a terminator. Bill Paxson was the first.

1507
01:38:31.520 --> 01:38:35.840
So they both hold that honor of
getting killed by those three iconic characters.

1508
01:38:35.960 --> 01:38:41.840
So and finally, twenty twenty century
Fox one roll in Emberk to direct

1509
01:38:41.880 --> 01:38:45.119
the film back in the nineteen nineties
do the box office success of Independence Day,

1510
01:38:45.119 --> 01:38:46.840
but Embert turned down the offer,
choosing to work on other projects,

1511
01:38:47.439 --> 01:38:51.439
and same thing. They had offered
it to Guermo del Toro, but he

1512
01:38:51.600 --> 01:38:56.960
opted to do help Away instead.
So again that's what happened. They have

1513
01:38:57.079 --> 01:39:00.159
this idea, there's a script.
Apparently they pitched a bunch of dread actor.

1514
01:39:00.279 --> 01:39:01.079
Everyone's like, I don't want to
do that, and then Anderson Kam

1515
01:39:01.199 --> 01:39:04.000
said I'll do it, and then
and that's why we were so And I

1516
01:39:04.079 --> 01:39:09.000
don't even know what they would have
done with that Alien five because I don't

1517
01:39:09.000 --> 01:39:10.079
know if it would have been good. But like, I don't know what

1518
01:39:10.119 --> 01:39:13.800
they would have done with getting some
Gorny back, and like I actually liked

1519
01:39:13.800 --> 01:39:15.920
the idea of that, Cameron writing
and Scott directing. I think there could

1520
01:39:15.920 --> 01:39:18.960
have been something from there. But
I don't know how you get really,

1521
01:39:19.079 --> 01:39:21.359
I guess you just do what we
do nowadays. Right where they would have

1522
01:39:21.399 --> 01:39:25.000
probably just made a direct sequel and
been like, oh, we're not gonna

1523
01:39:25.560 --> 01:39:30.319
We're not gonna do that. So
m hmm, yeah, I will start.

1524
01:39:30.439 --> 01:39:32.920
I'll get this movie a one of
a ten. Cool to see sometimes,

1525
01:39:33.239 --> 01:39:36.039
yeah, cool to see some things
of them fighting. That's it.

1526
01:39:36.119 --> 01:39:39.920
The lowest you've ever are you getting
anything to zero or is that straight the

1527
01:39:40.000 --> 01:39:43.119
lowest rate? I think I'll definitely
give a Netflix and Fail movie probably zero,

1528
01:39:43.239 --> 01:39:45.359
So I don't think it's the lowest. I think there's stuff like you

1529
01:39:45.439 --> 01:39:48.079
know, the Woody Woodpecker we had
to watch this year that would be a

1530
01:39:48.199 --> 01:39:51.359
zero, or like The Haughty and
the Naughty like stuff like that, Like

1531
01:39:51.399 --> 01:39:55.640
there's some other movies out there.
But yeah, one at ten, this

1532
01:39:55.840 --> 01:40:00.680
is atrocious. I'm not looking forward
to two. I don't know, and

1533
01:40:00.720 --> 01:40:03.279
that because everyone says two is worse
than this. So maybe maybe a zero's

1534
01:40:03.399 --> 01:40:11.079
just around the riverband right now?
One out of ten insane. Well let's

1535
01:40:11.119 --> 01:40:14.199
make this a linear progression because I'm
probably gonna get the second mot here.

1536
01:40:15.600 --> 01:40:17.720
Honestly, I think this. I
think this conversation, this review brought up

1537
01:40:17.800 --> 01:40:23.760
my rating potentially because Taylor, you
really gave me some good info there on

1538
01:40:23.840 --> 01:40:28.479
the Predator and Whalen though, you
know, yeah, true, Yeah,

1539
01:40:29.479 --> 01:40:32.720
I'm gonna go with I'm gonna go
with just a five right in the middle.

1540
01:40:33.079 --> 01:40:35.760
Five out of ten? Is it
to fail? Is it to pass?

1541
01:40:35.840 --> 01:40:39.439
I'll leave that up for you to
decide. But it's right on the

1542
01:40:39.560 --> 01:40:42.239
edge of there. There's enough here
that I had fun with it, like

1543
01:40:42.439 --> 01:40:49.680
gating some good discussion did your headphones
break? Just five? Five? But

1544
01:40:49.800 --> 01:40:54.760
also yeah, there's just there's so
many issues with this and it's it's weak

1545
01:40:54.840 --> 01:41:03.199
in so many ways. I'm gonna
go four point five. No, I

1546
01:41:03.279 --> 01:41:06.479
don't think this deserves that fifty.
I think it's it's just below. So

1547
01:41:06.800 --> 01:41:10.920
there you go, four point five. Who's got the higher score, Kirk,

1548
01:41:12.159 --> 01:41:18.319
it's gotta be Taylor as I don't
know. We'll see Taylor. I'll

1549
01:41:18.359 --> 01:41:25.119
go next, I'll go next.
Yeah, this movie, it it aged

1550
01:41:25.359 --> 01:41:28.880
how I was hoping it would be
in most ways, and it aged not

1551
01:41:29.079 --> 01:41:33.000
great in other ways. My rating
is might be skewed, might be controversial.

1552
01:41:33.319 --> 01:41:36.800
I still truly love this movie,
Like I this is such a rewatchful

1553
01:41:36.840 --> 01:41:43.159
movie for me. I don't love
the whole Predators are God's type thing,

1554
01:41:43.399 --> 01:41:46.000
like, like that's something that I
can watch this and just kind of disregard

1555
01:41:46.079 --> 01:41:48.199
that even though it's on screen and
it's happened right in front of me.

1556
01:41:48.279 --> 01:41:50.880
I could just be like, I
don't really care about that. I'm just

1557
01:41:51.000 --> 01:41:58.239
I'm excited for him to just pop
off with the squishy net. Whatever the

1558
01:41:58.239 --> 01:42:02.520
hell they would call that the the
what would you call it that can contract

1559
01:42:02.680 --> 01:42:08.199
a constricting net there. That's probably
a better word for it. I'm coming

1560
01:42:08.199 --> 01:42:10.359
out hot and heavy. This is
a nine out of ten movie for me.

1561
01:42:10.600 --> 01:42:14.800
I fucking love this one. That
that is. That's a heavy score.

1562
01:42:14.960 --> 01:42:19.159
But yeah, you're on higher,
so that's that's restrained. Yeah,

1563
01:42:19.279 --> 01:42:26.359
nine ten movie very nice. Oh
that's better be higher. You're forced to

1564
01:42:26.399 --> 01:42:31.560
be higher. Now I'm going now
out of ten. I am like this

1565
01:42:31.800 --> 01:42:36.119
movie has a very very strong place
in my heart. Like I said,

1566
01:42:36.159 --> 01:42:41.600
this is my introduction to the Alien
franchise, and I love so much of

1567
01:42:41.680 --> 01:42:45.439
this film. I My biasedness is
that I don't see a lot of flaws

1568
01:42:45.640 --> 01:42:47.800
with this film, and I watch
it because I just love to just sit

1569
01:42:47.920 --> 01:42:50.720
back and enjoy the chaos that that
ensues. Now, I'm not going to

1570
01:42:50.760 --> 01:42:57.479
disregard that it is got some questionable
writing and the acting is definitely not all

1571
01:42:57.520 --> 01:43:02.039
there. But to see my three
predators, Scar, Celtic and Chopper just

1572
01:43:02.119 --> 01:43:08.520
going to town, like, I
love it. Who are the two they

1573
01:43:08.560 --> 01:43:12.119
get? Chopper and Celtic. Scar
is the one that survives to the end,

1574
01:43:12.359 --> 01:43:15.079
But Scar's probably my favorite predator too. I will say, like by

1575
01:43:15.159 --> 01:43:18.880
the rank my youches, maybe we'll
do another episode of that now, Okay,

1576
01:43:19.720 --> 01:43:25.439
I know exactly like Wolf, which
you guys will get to see eventually.

1577
01:43:26.000 --> 01:43:30.960
Uh fuck, he's a badass,
youcher. Oh my god. Yeah.

1578
01:43:31.039 --> 01:43:34.319
Just I remember when this when this
in closing my thoughts here, when

1579
01:43:34.319 --> 01:43:40.039
this movie wrapped up, and there's
only a few movies that I religiously would

1580
01:43:40.039 --> 01:43:43.680
go online and spend hours looking into
research to find a sequel, the nineties

1581
01:43:43.720 --> 01:43:46.680
got Zilla movie that never got a
sequel a v P. I looked at

1582
01:43:46.720 --> 01:43:48.920
that, and finally it was announced
I got a VP two, and I

1583
01:43:48.960 --> 01:43:51.960
remember I was going to high school. I was sharing photos with all my

1584
01:43:53.079 --> 01:43:56.319
friends like, man, we're getting
a v P two, and like they

1585
01:43:56.359 --> 01:44:01.800
were like, oh my god,
damn, this is great. It's more

1586
01:44:01.960 --> 01:44:13.560
like Pepper Taylor, like, oh
cool, back on me. The sequel

1587
01:44:13.600 --> 01:44:18.319
Alien Bread. I just I can't
wait to get to that. That movie

1588
01:44:18.439 --> 01:44:24.680
next hotly Ship and I'm I'm going
and anticipating a lot of negativity. But

1589
01:44:25.039 --> 01:44:28.199
that movie has done a lot of
things right in comparison to this one for

1590
01:44:28.319 --> 01:44:34.560
me, So yeah, in comparison, well interesting, love it, ladies

1591
01:44:34.600 --> 01:44:40.600
and gentlemen. That is the end
of Alien Versus Predator for the public feed.

1592
01:44:40.720 --> 01:44:45.359
We will be back with Alien versus
Predator reck Reem in the near future,

1593
01:44:45.680 --> 01:44:48.920
and I promise you it'll not be
boring. Yep mm hmm.