Hello, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome back to the Alien Retrospective. I'm
the clown Prince of war Paint Tress now, and I'm joined by I am
the pure cinematic Cricklin Cancer. Hey, I am Dolmas. I am l
Luna taylor Field. What does that mean? Hunter's Moon? Okay, why'd
you also be the accent on? Just the English? It's so good,
good soul a sim and we have entered a very interesting time. Obviously,
we are getting ready for Alien Ronaliss that does come out in August. This
this particular episode is dropping the same week of Deadpool, so we got Deadpool
Wolverine coming up, we got Comic Con coverage. Check out side Quest.
We just did a great kind of dream roster of what would Disney do if
they were making a smash multi versus game of fifty characters. Lots of debate,
lots of heavy day debate. Does the Predator and Alien make it in
there? I don't know, you have to check it out. And then
Geek First Day is having August third. I'll tell you more about some stuff
later, but yeah, this episode is dropping. Usually it's not, but
we were a little behind because we had some other stuff record these past few
weeks. But if you're listening to this right now, you begin Prometheus ad
Free right now. That's not coming out for another two weeks because the feats
are gonna be very busy. So if you want to start getting too that
route, go to over there. But yeah, so this is an episode.
I guess. I canna say anticipate it. It's anticipated, I guess
for different reasons because I feel like since the cast has started, Alien Predators
always come up, but definitely AVP has come up once or twice, and
you know, we're almost here at a decade nine years were coming up in
just a couple of weeks here, So somehow we finally got here. And
usually I leave him last, but we throw it to Taylor Field first on
his thoughts, because I feel like he's been waiting to do this one maybe
since we started podcast, ever since we maybe covered one thing that was Alien
and or Predator, whether it be a trailer game. He's like, oh,
one day we're gonna get there, and we said one day we would
do it. We did the Predator retro years ago, we're doing this and
finally here we are July twenty third twenty twenty four, Taylor, we were
here so you get the floor is yours? What do you think about a
VP? Where was the first time you saw it? And obviously what you
think about it now is we usually in the retro. I'm just glad that
we snuck this in because I feel like I had to fight for it to
get it in here to the Alien retro. Wait, but this was my
first experience with Alien was watching AVP. I was very young and we still
had vhs at the time. My dad brought the AVP back from the movie
store because we're renting it when that was a thing, and so you still
know Alien. This was the first Alien I watched. I've watched a few
Predator movies beforehand, and then this, like Alien scared me when I was
little. I can't remember how little I was, but it was just the
concept I knew that they go and they cover your face and they impregnant you.
All that just terrified me. So this was kind of like me getting
my foot in the door because it also had predators in there. So it
was like, Okay, I can, I can, I can get on
board with this, and so that's exactly what happened. I remember watching it
and just the one scene in particular was when it's the chest burst breaking out.
That was the one that terrified me the most. But I was able
to conquer it and get over it and eventually get into Alien after this.
So this movie, though, God, I love it. I love it
so much. It's just fan freakantastic. It has just the fact that we
got multiple predators. As a little kid saying this, this is like the
Bee's knees and getting to see how they're like the ships and stuff like that.
And I never saw the unrated version until much later, which, even
though it's only a few extra minutes of footage, it was still pretty cool
just to kind of see a couple couple extra little scenes in there. But
yeah, I think that this movie is great. It's it totally slaps hard
and I will always always just if it's playing on like the TV, I
will sit down and watch it. It's not something I necessarily would just have
as background and I would just be focusing on doing something else. Like if
I see this on TV, I'm gonna actively watch it because it's always just
such a good time and I can really just get on board with the adventure
and how crazy things are, and the final battle you get in this movie
is just fucking awesome. I love it. Is it a perfect movie?
It is not, but damn it's It's nostalgically amazing for me, and it
has a special place in my heart. So yeah, I just think that
it's it's just great. It's just really really great. I love it.
And it's fun too because it pulls certain things from the other alien movies that
we've had before, which I think is which is great. It introduces some
new things as well. But I'm glad that even though it's a very controversial
film The Predator, it still is being recognized because you have things from this
movie that appear in The Predator, which is pretty pretty nice. So particularly,
yeah, the alien tail spear. I see, Well okay, sure,
yeah, okay, yeah, like they're gonna get that from anywhere,
right, But I get I get what you mean that it's still it's still
popped up Preditor. I guess it's still kept it around where Alien was like
we're gonna, we're gonna, we're gonna move past this. We're not We're
not gonna go back there. So, uh, is that all your thoughts
are Taylor yeah, for now. I just there's there's so much so that
I can't wait to talk about, and I'm scared to hear your guys is
I'm curious what the unrated versus rated version, because I don't know what version.
I think we all watched the unrated to be honest, I think that's
what became public with the alternate intro. Well, I don't know. I've
only seen this movie maybe like twice, just in a stripper joint. That's
the unrated version. The unrated intro basically starts off where it's like the the
whalers and they're being chased by the predators in their whaling station. Interesting,
I've never seen that. What's the opening of the regular version? The regular
is ask because this movie start to seep out of my mind already. I
don't really remember. I just remember the whaling station that's on your fair movies.
Come on, what's going on here? Okay, dyl muss anythink about
Alien Versus Predator two thousand and four, two thousand and four. Yeah,
the first time I saw this movie was on Monday, Big History precise souh.
Yeah, I'm a little late to the party here, and honestly,
watching through. There was a couple scenes that I'm like, oh, maybe
this was on TV when I was a kid, like my dad was watching
Bike or yeah, or maybe I've seen a screenshot on Reddit or a gift
or something of some just truly ridiculous scenes that happened. I was sending you
some stuff. Watch the scene, Dylan, Yeah, just one scene at
a time. I'm kind of piecing it together, trying to go the puzzle
of it. He send it backwards though, Yeah, yeah, yeah,
so I had to unravel it all yesterday. But yeah, I'm glad that
I finally watched it. This has always been one that felt like, oh,
that's like a legendary movie. Not like the quality of it, but
just like that concept is is cool and like an arrow when crossovers weren't just
everywhere like they are these days. So it's an interesting idea. I had
a fun time watching this movie, like it's it's it's a fun popcorn flick,
like this is a classic, like just go to the theater, turn
your brain off, have a good time sort of movie. Because that likes
It's not like one I'm gonna be rewatching frequently. But I think for the
for the most part. I think I had more fun with this than the
last couple Alien ones, honestly, just because it knows how stupid and over
the top and silly it is, and there aren't a lot of slow moments.
Like I thought, the pacing of this movie is actually really good.
I think where the points that it's weaker are man just some of the lore
set up here. It's like, I want to picture this as a what
if scenario, and from that perspective, it's like, Okay, that's weird,
zany and kind of interesting. But if this is actually can into Alien
that I hate it. I hate all of that. I think this movie
has like just the weakest characters out of any of these movies that we've done
so far. Like, you know, even in the weaker Alien stuff,
you always have Ripley, who's crushing it, and then there's usually like whoever
the android is of that movie is always crushing it, and there's like maybe
one or two other characters have some good moments. I don't think anyone in
this movie has a single interesting moment from a character's perspective. Even the protagonist
is so vanilla and has no personality to her and like the only personality is
just like my dad starved on the mountaintop, Like it's just like some really
lame backstory to make you care about her, I guess, but she has
no other personality, So I don't know. I had a fun time with
this one. But if I when we get to the rank rating stage,
like this is gonna be it's not a quality film in that way, it's
not gonna be a timeless one for me and not on I'll be rewatching.
But I would, honestly, I'd rather rewatch this an Alien two, three,
or four, I think if I'm forced to rewatch one of those.
So that's kind where I'm at, all right, I'll go because I'm gonna
leave Kirkland's anticipation, because Kirkland's always going to say, oh, yeah,
I loved him, Like, well, let's see happens when you rewatch it.
So yeah, Dylan, your last seven of like oh, like if
you had to rewatch this first the other ones, I will never ever rewatch
this movie against me. You'd have to find some pretty particular weak movies for
me to pick this up. I unfortunately not have fun with this in the
sobad, it's so good way. I was just almost annoyed for an hour
and a half. Granted, a cool fight scene, but a cool fight
scene a good movie does not make Yeah, the lower stuff is just it's
just it's just awful. I don't know who was sitting around when that was
the pitch of things like it just feels like it's such an easy concept,
and that's what I appreciate myself. And I'm gonna be biased like the Freddy
versus Jason fans like, and that's where I come from. My first time
I saw this non theaters. I think I saw this because I liked Freddy
Versus Jason. I don't think I was needing Alien versus Predator, But as
I go, I like that, rented it once and then it just never
really stuck with me. I've maybe seen it like like what they don't say,
like on a TV spikes I fight like somewhere, but never a full
watcher. So I really didn't have a much good memory of it. I
just remember if I was anything pre two thousand and six, if I watch
it and stick with me, I just take that as it must have not
been good because I was I was watching any shit and be like this was
the best ever and now I'm all like, oh, you know, not
so much. So for me, this was it was not a good time.
These characters are just bottom of the barrel. They're just they're all there
for exposition. That's literally what they are. They're just there for exposition.
They do the cardinal sin where it's like Godzilla or Transformers, where we gotta
have a bunch of humans and these fucking movies when really we just want to
see the alien the predators fight, and that's why he's trying to get to
a fravrus Jason. They find a pretty easy situation. Freddy goes into Jason's
dream, wake them up. They're gonna fight. Oh look at that,
that's it. There's no Oh, Freddy was there from day one. He's
Jason's father. Jason' says, it's just these characters are honest, same path.
They're gonna fight and we'll get there. So some of those choices I
hate when they do that type of stuff. I dislike the finale because we
have a human character with this the whole time, so like, get really
hate for the alien versus predator. It's like alien versus preader versus female doctor
and it's just like, all right, this is. This is what it
is. Yeah, this is this is I think hyperbolic of me saying,
like, one of the worst movies ever some uncle that far, but one
of the worst franchise movies ever. I'll throw on it the way I say
about Suicide Squad. Where what do you think of big IP movies? Man?
This is I Like, I get why I don't know about Predder,
I guess, but I get why Scott rig like Reret Conn and Cameron and
him hate this thing. Like I couldn't even imagine. I feel so bad
for Ridley Scott. You make Aliens and like thirty years later you're watching this
and you're like Homeland in the like just like a massacre of it. So,
yeah, I don't have a single positive thing to say about this movie.
It's this is. I think this is worse than any Predator movie we
did in the retro. And I don't even at least be requiem. I'm
not even prepared because that one I remember even less. So I'm not even
prepared at least the thing that happened in the end. I was like,
okay, if they don't give me that, like that's an easy layup,
And they did that so yeah, I just felt like this could have been
a lot easier and they overstuffed it. This would have been probably a nice,
good short film, but of course it wouldn't do that. Yeah.
Not was not a fan of this experience. And I'll never watch this movie
ever again. Yeah, very very interesting. Okay, Yeah, there's a
big history movie for me, Like this is definitely one of the early family
like BBDs or VHS whatever we had it on, Like this was just a
rotation movie for me. Like I've probably seen this movie no less than like
twenty five times in my life. So yeah, and Taylor said, this
was like you said, this is the first time experiencing Alien. This is
my first time experiencing Alien or the Predator, so like this is this is
the origin for me for these characters, and man it's Bonnie Travis you mentioned
of like there's many times in history. I don't know about movies that we've
done on the retro or like just retroed or on the podcast, but like
I love this movie as a kid. I love it so much. I
have so much just so many fond memories. And then I rewatch it and
I'm like, oh no, like why did I do that why did I
rewatch it? Why can't I just keep those happy memories? And I will
say this movie is definitely not that I can love this movie. I truly
truly love this movie. You guys bring up very valid points. I feel
like, because I rewatched it so many times as a kid, the lore
stuff, and because I didn't really know about predator or alien, like none
of that bothered me as a kid, And because I rewatched it so many
times, I just kind of remembered the scenes or maybe lines or interactions with
characters that I really enjoyed, and on this viewing, like those still really
hit for me. So so that was a nice, nice realization, not
like, oh I misremembered that quote or something like that. Like there's there's
lines in this movie that just like literally stick with me every single day.
And that's like how deep this movie is attached to me. I can't wait.
Yeah, So yeah, I truly love this movie. It's funny because
there is a couple of moments that I remember being like the pinnacle for me
for thinking back on this movie, Like this was the best scene ever.
I fucking love this moment very specifically with the Predator and the human like when
they team up. I just remember that being like my favorite thing very much
did not hit this time around. I'm like, oh, this is actually
really cheesy and corny and I really don't like this at all, but but
like the first act and like them actually getting the location, like I that
still is ten out of ten to me, Like I I love those moments,
So yeah, this is gonna be an interesting retro to do. We're
pretty split because yeah, I love this movie and I'm pretty interested to think
of my rankings on how this is gonna go for the Aliens of because like
Alien four, Alien three, like this is just I would rewatch this movie
a thousand times over those ones. So yeah, that's my strong state end
of the day. But yeah, no, it very much still hit for
me this movie, and I hadn't seen it since maybe it's funny probably like
early podcast day, like or like maybe or maybe like right before the podcast
started, like that was the last time I seen this movie. And it
was in a hotel room, like it was just on TV, and I'm
like, yeah, I'm just gonna watch this. This is awesome. So
yeah, man, AVP, I love this. I will say AVP two.
I started watching it and I turned it off and I've never seen that
movie, so that'll be interesting when we get to that episode, because I
did not like the opening of it when I watched it way back in the
day. So we'll see. We'll see A wanted it like yesterday. Oh
no, no, no, sorry, like the first time I watched it
because I love this movie and then I'm like, oh a v P two,
finally let's do this, and didn't like the opening, so but ev
P one, man, that's cinema. Oh boy, what a situation.
Where do we I want to start the lore because I didn't speak to that
when you guys dive into a I love this backstory, I really do.
Holy crap, It's it's simple and what more could a kid wan? It's
like, oh my god, predators taught humanity how to build, like this
is fucking awesome, build the pyramids and everything. I forgot about that.
I was just in with the aliens. If I forgot about the stupid god
like the predators putting the aliens in this temple. Oh, I think that's
I think it's great. I think it's totally fine. It totally worked for
me. I thought you guys meant the history of the Predators just foul planet,
and then we're using humans as tributes to like the Great Aliens to hint.
I think it's totally fat. I think it just discounts both. That's
what That's what I hate about this movie is it on purpose feels like it's
trying to hurt the original films, which I like much much more. And
I come from a different camp. Right if I had seen those and then
this one wasn't really in my life right, Like I've said before, like
in film class, I had to watch and study AA like these are the
ones I grew up on versus this. And that's where it's just like the
Predator thing. It's supposed to feel like this really cool special thing when Predator
comes and there's Dutchess Clan they're hunting and what's this thing? And just the
fact that well, actually they've been here the whole time, that makes that
not feel special, which luckily now I'm old enough where it's okay, this
doesn't really matter and they've wreckonedo all this stuff. So it's just like like
dllnside, it's like a what if and the alien thing. I just feel
like, whoever wrote this movie really likes Predator because I feel like Alien gets
the shit in the stick throughout the most of the movie. Oh that time,
and when the alien bodies those two predators, it's just like Predator all
the way. Predator is a good guy. They're the ones that grew up
with this. There's another example I have somewhere along the line my notes.
It's just it feels like whoever wrote the final script loves Predator and really had
a bias. It's like if I was writing a Batman for Superman movie,
You're like, but that's not the best the opposite, to be honest,
because the two predators got killed within five minutes of on screen time, right
yeah, and then proceed they get the aliens get their asking the rest of
the movie, even by the the doctors. One alien kills one alien kills
two predators. Though that's luck, that's bias there. I don't know,
no, but I see the rest of the movie. Rest of the movie
happens, Travis, How can you write a story where like humans pair up
with zenos, Like if you're gonna pick you, don't you don't exactly simply
don't, like it makes so much more sense for the zenos to be the
threat that everyone would be going. You don't do that either way either you
don't have the first don't have humans. You have the humans, but not
this Like again, this happens with Transformers and god Z also when they become
the main characters. It's like, that's like, there's a way to watch
Favors Jason. There's a way to have human characters in there and then to
put them on a trajectory to fight with one another. Not to have this
doctor up and about doing these things, having this mini story, I don't
know, you keep calling explore doctor whatever. Having her she has to get
the we gotta have a two met scene where she gets the war pain and
she's getting like fucking putting the predators in doing my own with the little Cheeto.
As I'm watching the movie, it's like that's her. It's just like
it's such especially because the movie is like only our forty, like you could
save them the budget. It's just like, you don't have to do these
things with these humans. I have a question that hopefully masters who have seen
this movie twenty five times can can help me figure out. So I like,
when is the earliest point in humanity that that I guess that is shown
in the movie of like the Predator going there and like providing I don't know,
I guess tech info. But then also just like going there to train,
like it's like thousands or millions of years ago, right, Like it's
it's way thousands. Yeah, let's say it's like, yeah, like the
dawn of those pyramids that they're like it was like the two before Mexico or
something like that. Yeah. So I guess what I'm trying to understand is
like if in this time the alien the aliens aren't changing or evolving or becoming
stronger or smarter, because anytime that they are smart enough or strong enough to
take out whatever predator is sent there, they like just do the wipe.
They wipe them out. But then it's presumably, from what I can understand,
always the same queen that they throw back in the ice bath, and
then they bring her out again when they're ready to start spawning. More so,
like from the predator's perspective, when they're you know, presumably evolving and
getting better tech, Like what do they have to keep gaining from fighting the
same enemy over and over again? Is the idea that it's like it's cool.
So it's like, oh, if you're a Grade three Predator and you're
learning to fight, it's like, go do your alien training. That's exactly
it. That's exactly so basically these are these are young bloods, is what
their rank is. And so them going in and doing this hunt is them
basically achieving that next step in their clan. So this is them getting there
of course of thousands of years, though, like, don't the predators get
better tech? And like, wouldn't they just make this enemy like they would
be build tech presumably that would help them fight threats like this. So wouldn't
their tech just get to a point where there's like nothing to be gained from
fighting the same enemy who's not Like that's where it depends. That's where it
depends because you have you have different clans. You have let's look at predators
where you have those super guys that are basically like okay, they're the ones
that are advancing their tech trying to be like the most perfect refined killers in
this case with this clan, Yes, the tech is up there, the
tech is getting better, but the plasma casters that's like a peak predator weapon.
But in order for them to get those those guns. They got to
go through fight aliens hand to hand with whatever arsenal they have on their person,
and then they get the gun and then they get out of there.
That's basically it. So, yes, there is more technology, but it's
not about giving these guys like state of the art tech because they need to
prove themselves, right, If that answers your question, Yeah, I mean
I have not seen a lot of predator stuff, so like I don't understand
all their motivations, like my understanding pre like they just want to keep fighting
stronger enemies and kill them, and that's like their whole existence for life,
you know, Like that's like that's like what peoples them as a race.
So I guess there is some logic there to be said then of like okay,
this is like used as like a training planet for them, and then
like since they have the backup plan of the exploding whatever thing, that's like
their contingency planning case things ever go awry. And then at the end of
this obviously there's like the I don't I guess the cliffhanger where the aliens like
on board that ship. Right, So this is when presumably like this finite
thing where they've been doing cyclically over and over again, would cease to happen
anymore. But also kind of seems like they're not really going there frequently enough,
like kind it seems like they just come visit humanity every like a few
thousand years, Like wouldn't like all the plan like come here to train then,
Like I don't know how many predators there are in a clan, Like
maybe it's just like five every three hundred years or something. I'm not sure
there's there's a lot of predators in this clan, but uh it's I don't
have a number count. But you can just see at the end, you
can see there's there's a big ship. But uh, it's every hundred years
is when their calendar is set. Uh, Now prayers can live for hundreds
of years. So again, I don't know, I don't know exactly how
the logistics. Very curious what kind of lore stuff is in a v P
two, Like I just want to see an expansion of that because they're gonna
double if they're gonna I don't know, I guess gamble hard on this big
concept. I want to see how they're gonna kind of evolve it in a
sequel where you have to be wild. It seems like peak intensity for what
you could do. And we go back to Earth. We go back to
Earth on EVP two. So it's that they're coming and your mind, Taylor,
So they do this thing because I'm I'm sure you're somebody counts as canon
for yourself, right, you're all fine with this is how the Aliens are
create everything, right, Aliens are created? Well, they create the aliens
to fight them, right, Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, So that's
what I mean. So this is is this your canon? When I was
younger, I kind of looked at it in a way like can I head
cannon this? So it fits with Alien But the story just for me never
fits. I just see this as just another tale in it because you have
Lance Hendrickson alone just kind of like debunks that being canon because sposed to be
he's supposed to be a descendant, that's what he's supposed to be. That's
a big thing. Even in like the twenty ten game, you have an
android who is Lance Hendrickson and he's he believes he's a descendant of Whalen.
Like there's he's just like the the alien face. I guess I can say
him and sing Gourney, you know, both of them being like, oh,
I don't know if I'll come back, and they both continue to come
back for these things. You know, Lance, I'll only come back to
this little scene, Sigourney, you know, all in comeback for this.
I'm just gonna so when you watch Predator, like the first one, you
don't consider this canon to that, do you? Because I was just gonna
ask like, why would the predators, who have you know, their gods
just there and here on Earth they conquer apparently doing they're doing alien rituals with
humans and stuff. Why would they come to Los Angeles or the jungle to
hunt Arnold Schwartz Snegger when they've been fighting aliens for years? You know,
I think, and again it's totally up to your own interpretation. You have
different types of predators, different groups. Now that Los Angeles tribe, I
think they call it like the Lost Tribe, very small, very isolated predator
group. And again I think it's just a matter of there was an incident
in this movie where things got out of control, so they detonated the nuke
and the whole civilization was wiped out, and that's when things they kind of
obviously simmered down and kept these things more low key. It looks like,
I don't know if they took a long break to let humanity kind of recuperate
a bit. I don't know, but they're still doing their rituals. But
obviously they had to slow things down. Now that's because this is their own
group of predators. I think that with humanity kind of evolving and getting more
dangerous and disregarding the predators like being their own technology, I think then okay,
predators see humanity as being worthy as trophies and worthy to hunt, whereas
before we're just looking at very basic, uninvolved humans that have sticks, that
are worshiping us as gods, like, Okay, well, you guys will
use you in our in our hunt to get our real prey, but we're
not gonna hunt you because you guys aren't worth our time. And now you
jump ahead two thousand years humanity in Los Angeles, like you got fucking guys
like that score beyond doing fucking cocaine out the ying Yang and Uzzi's and stuff
like that. So it's very confusing if you put prey in there, because
then they are here hundreds hundred a year before Arnold and whatnot, and they
still got their ass kicked a predator, right, they would have been Yeah,
just under three hundred years before Arnold, But again that's still two thousand,
like seventeen hundred years before. Like, that's still a long, long,
long time and a lot of time between. And we also know that
the predator from Prey is a very different predator which we know nothing about.
But he's very different from what we've seen so far. You got lots of
predators that are warring ast each other and clans and disputes and all that.
So in that movie with Shortzenegron, I'm guessing he like, does he kill
a predator or yeah, you survive successful? Yeah, So is that is
that all the answer your question? Then? Trevis? Like, if he's
strong enough to kill a predator and that justifies any other predators wanting to come
to fight humanity? Yeah, I would get wrong as an alien physically,
we got the brains. Maybe I would get Los Angeles like the sequel to
and I just wouldn't get on the first predator of Hey, if we've been
killing aliens for years, why do these humans seem so dangerous? You know?
Well, I mean I feel like if you just like, obviously a
lot of the it's chicken in the egg situation. I guess if a lot
of like Earth's best tech or you know, things that we've discovered are given
to us by the predator like get from this, yeah, maybe, but
obviously that's also isolated. It's like, Okay, this specific people from like
these parts of the world where they're doing this thing, that's where they're getting
tech from. Yeah, but I guess if like they're coming back like that
once again, these clan. It's hard for me to follow these clans because
I've not seen any of these movies. But if they're if they're coming back
every hundred, few hundred years, a few thousand years, and they're seeing
like wow, humanity is evolving much quicker than we're seeing on like other planets
that presumably they're going around hunting people on I feel like that to them would
be a reason to go fight humanity, just saying like, wow, these
guys have made these humongous cities from the last time we saw them, they
were in like little huts in the woods. So maybe that's like why they
think, oh there they must be hunt them. They must Yeah, they
must be a good trophies, I guess then is there then yeah, once
one of them dies to a human, then it's like, okay, these
are formidable opponents here. There's this is kind of like a slight not a
spoiler, but AVP two. You see, Okay, you know predators have
been hunting even dinosaurs, that's one thing. And I think maybe you even
see that in the Predator too as well with the trophy case. But they've
obviously known about Earth for a long time, hence the you know, teaching
humans how to build, so they should you could say, at this point,
we know predators have been coming to Earth since like sixty five million years
ago, hunting dinosaurs, and now all of a sudden they you know,
the asteroid Hits wipes out the planet and like, okay, we're gonna just
go away. And then they you know, they're flying by, like holy
shit, we got humans here. But to look at what's going on,
at least in the first Predator, I think you have this one predator who
shows up during the hottest seasons, and you got drug cartel and just a
lot of guys in the jungle with guns doing bad things, and so that
conflict and that's something that's a reoccurring theme, especially in Predator too. They
talk about it where I think it's uh Buc's characters talking about how it's it's
the the heat and the the war torn like the action, the chaos,
all that kind of stuff that really pulls them in to kind of like go
for that hunt. They want to. They want to see the war that's
going on and see who the strongest is and that's their target and that's who
they prize after. I don't remember where we started with this conversation talking through
all that. Like I think, from the Predator's perspective, I think it
is an interesting concept. I think for me where I really hate this the
implementation of it in this movie is just like the alien side of it.
I like that that is a very mysterious creature that is kind of like,
as far as we know, just comes from this one planet and then just
you know, only way it gets off is sneaking through on these small like
human ships and whatnot. And I don't know, I like for me seeing
that shot of like the zoomed out pyramids and there's just hundreds of aliens sprawling
over these things, it just it just rubs me the wrong way. I
just like, I like how one alien can be such a strong menacing force,
and I just I just don't like how it's like it's the same issue
I would, you know, throwing back to Star Wars episode nine here,
where it's like, well we did one star destory, let's do one thousand
star destory. Let's just kind of rack it up like just over and over
othern coming up with like new fresh ideas. So I don't know, I
don't like that angle of it. Like I think I would have liked it
if the predators had found maybe the Aliens like once upon a Time or something,
or maybe there's like deviations different factions, but I don't like, these
are like the same aliens that we've seen elsewhere, kind of takes away that
what makes those one special for me. Yeah, and then being the Creators
to me is like another reason why I feel people like I feel like so
the predators, especially bread the aliens no way, it's they just have a
queen captured, and that's yeah, I took it. They just let the
queen go, they zapper, and then it gets to figure out like harvest
them like cattle. Essentially, I guess they're just still they're still birthing them
on Earth all the time. And it's the cows. Is that what we
do do? We birth chickens like animals. But I don't have attachment to
them as a cinematic masterpiece. But no, but I just it comes down
to they're doing that. And my point is the way you're talking about them
like cows. Aliens should not be like cows. They should not be a
cow that you can cows. There are cows in this movie. Yeah,
this cows. They're just they're they're training dummies, is what I don't like
about it. They're just like cannon fodder has sent the predators into like a
couple of lucky ones. But that's that's even the cases let's say the first
alien and now we don't necessarily know exactly why this engineer ship has these eggs,
but people have looked at it like, oh, it's just supposed to
Lanta planet, drop the eggs and let the aliens go rampant. And maybe
that's something that's explored again in Prometheus, which we'll talk about these ships drop
these bio related ds. But that's in the first one. The first one's
all up to interpretations. So that's why it is. Yeah, there's people
that like Prometheus and don't like Prometheus for that reason because you answered one too
many things, right, and that's Alien. You can say, oh,
yeah, because we got Prometheus. But if you're cutting all the rest of
them out, Alien doesn't answer any that. It's just like, say,
it's a mysterious thing that where this comes from within's egg which jump the shark
to some extent by the time this movie comes out, with some of the
Alien follow up movies, and for me, it's it's saying with critiques of
like the other sequels, when they have the Aliens and they've used them a
cat on, they got them all locked up like we talked about before,
where it's like all these things don't seem scary as much now when they got
the two together and they're making these dumb decisions, like when they start to
take that a lower away. That's not just move this movie, it's some
of those sequels as well. And that's where I think, especially with Alien,
because predators are hunters, which it's funny because they go invisible and they
have that mystique. But every time in the halfway point of the movie,
they lose that, then the preters just out where I feel like, Alien
you always got to keep that. And then when I just see three Aliens
versus one hundred of them, it's like, well, how strong are these
Aliens really? You know? And even then I feel like the humans in
this even are more so powered than some of the sequels. But I digress.
Yeah, I feel like I just I hold something special about the Aliens
as a creature to some extent, And maybe that's my shortcoming here, but
I yeah, I think this is really cool as a what of scenario,
But I really really dislike it as like if this is the true canon of
Aliens, and when in all these other Alien movies, you have all these
companies searching for these things far and wide that there's actually just so many bones
of them on planet Earth that we could have just gone like, ah,
it just rubs me the wrong way. But as a what if scenario,
I think the more we've talked about it, the more I think it actually
is like a really sweet concept. Yeah for me, now that we've gone
through and like, I've seen all the Alien movies and just rewatched the first
Alien like many times over since my first viewing of this, I definitely just
treat it as a what if scenario. I feel like especially it's interesting because,
like for me, the fact that we have aliens as cattle and the
predators are hunting them, like, I love that concept. I feel like
we've seen different versions of xeno morphs as well, Like in Aliens, every
one alien feels a lot less powerful than the one alien from Alien one,
and that's just because we have the one to deal with for the entire movie,
and it's a very claustrophobic situation. But when you add you know,
in that movie, maybe there's fifty in this movie, like we literally see
thousands at one point in the flashback, and it definitely brings down the power
level of every one. And I don't know, I think I'm fine with
even if I have to head candidate that these are just these are just like
I don't even know version one of the Xeno Morphs and or like a nerve
down version of the Predators. I don't think that they've really messed with their
splicing or like really bred them. It's really they just have a quick and
then they're able to just kind of milker for some eggs for some training dummies
to just go in there and pop off. And I love that concept that
the aliens just have this training pyramid essentially that they they just spawned some dummies
and then they send in the young bloods to go pop off. And that's
just such a fun concept to me. And I feel like if just that
is very it's very not over over, like what's like, it's not a
huge concept I think to have, Like it's a pretty easy idea, idea
idea. You have just these these super badass predator hunters that just come here
to hunt a really really powerful foe. So I think that's great when we
got the flashbacks of yeah, like that they're like our creators or I guess
they're not really the engineers. They're more so just givers of gifts like sour
on the wise, But like, I really don't like that concept, especially
now again, like Travis, you brought the comparisons of like the First or
a movie, Like when you think of just certain things, I don't know,
certain ways that we've interacted with the predators in the past. It you
know, you could definitely play Devil's advocate and find a way to explain certain
shortcomings of how that would work. But I just I just don't like that
concept at all. I like it a lot more that they're just they're just
an alien species out there. That is. It's like side question, but
it's related, just since I haven't watched all these predator stuff and if this
is the thing in a VP two, don't spoil it. But is there
other tales I guess of predators capturing other strong creatures and then like breeding them
like they did here, because you would think in theory, like once they
find like a formidable opponent, that they would just be doing this with all
this It's risky for some you know, if they can evade that capture.
But in this case, since they had the ability to set up that eject
button essentially of that huge explosion that goes off and kills all the aliens if
things go awry, I mean, what's this They couldn't just do that with
other ones they find. That's that's a great point, because I do they
capture their species and hunt them, Yes, but I think they are limited
in some slight degree of what they would deem inferior enough to like infect with
face huggers in the games with predators, like predators have been infected with face
hugers, like it's there. They just labeled as abomination, like it is
so unworthy, like horrible, like sin, like that's the endgame right there.
So for them, if something gets infected with that face huger, it's
not it's not good. And so for them to just putting humans up to
bat, it shows where we kind of stand or or like there's it's not
a strong opponent like what morally morally for them, it's just a disgrace like
they would never if if some when you when you are a worthy opponent,
let's say like with Dutch and Predator one, Yeah, the predator actually takes
his mask off this plasma gun and is like, okay, you're worthy opponents
so far, I'm gonna fight you like hand to hand, like old school.
And that's just how the predators are because this guy has become a worthy
opponent, and so people that are unworthy you get, you know, the
abomination route. We're just gonna use you as I mean, even I think
in this movie they say like they use this like cattle. I think even
Even says that in this movie to actually, yeah, the researcher guy,
right, yeah, to answer your question. No, and none of the
movies they do that they The only closest you'd get is to Predators, where
they cannap a bunch of humans and put them on their home planet. But
there's not like they have a bunch of bears there, or tigers or other
aliens or something like that. There are weird other alien type things in Predators,
but they could all like is that alien? Like is that predator dog?
Is that like their species tailor like those animals on the Predators home,
those of their hounds. But you got other bipedal things that we saw,
but we just don't know, like are they worthy enough? They're not gonna
waste them with a face hug I don't know if they're I don't know where
you're coming with the face hugger. I don't know why you're coming with that.
That's what I'm confused about, because I thought dyn't ask are they known
to kidnap other species and pregnate them with With the Dylan saying pregnant them,
I thought you were referring to like capturing them and putting like aliens in them,
like using them as hosts. No, I I just mean like in
general, like hey, we found some other strong blor boff, so we
like put them in a pen and started growing them to fight the boss.
Like there's one predator keeps pushing that I took like aliens and put like the
alien thing, leave them in a room together. The alien will like make
some weird abomination using in that. So that would that would breed like hybrids
that are strong. That's just that makes sense to me. That would be
like morally, you like fucked up from their perspective pure I guess not that
I don't really understand why they would care about that, but but I don't
know a lot about predators, pray predators, Predator two and the Predator which
you know you saw back in the day, you know what the big pray
I guess the ones I've truly seen starting they all come to Earth and just
fight predatters. Is the only one where they kidnap humans and they're like,
and maybe that's something that could happen, But there's no specific plot of them
the aliens the humans where they go fine, like they fight other alien things.
Maybe the audience doesn't want that, but that like that seems to make
sense for these or maybe there just isn't a lot of other life out there,
and that's why they come to Earth. Maybe I don't know, and
I guess for me that's what I wanted to is I kind of wanted them
not to know of the alien right away, Like I would have maybe and
wait to watch Recrum and then we'll get there. But I almost would have
liked this to be some sort of story of the first time they meet the
alien and then get into the Hey, after we had that fight, we
decided they were big foe. We want to train them, we want to
use them as cattle and kind of walk me with that journey to see And
that's where again like this is two events for that era, because look at
Prey Half that movie's subtitle. So I feel like you could do something with
predators and talking. I know it sounds weird, but or some sort if
the humans are if they like worship them, you could have it back that
age. I think that was something that took the mistique out of it for
me too, is Oh, there's these al Xena Moors and the Patters like
yeah, yeah, we've been doing them for a long time. It's like,
oh, Like to me, I thought it was gonna feel really special
the first time they see each other, and it's really not. And it's
also one critique, a big critiquet of the whole movie, Like the first
time they fight. The cinematography in here, I'm not gonna say it's awful.
There's just no specialness to it. So when they're fighting, it's just
kind of just regular shots from like the the waste up to their head and
that's about it. There's not like this big scope of your feeling. Man,
we're seeing these two legendary icons. Just they get in a room,
they push each other, there's some shaky cam, ones dead, and then
they go on to the other one. So I think that was a big
thing for me, is I want to feel way more grandiose where this just
felt like we were watching anthology show The Preditors and it's like, oh,
this week it's about Xena Wars. The next week it's gonna be about Terminators.
It didn't feel like the big woof there. So that was something I
just don't like as well that they've kind of they've all they've known each other
for general, like thousands of years now, you know. I did like,
however, I felt like they were able to showcase each species kind of
quality in the hunt, like like the xenomorphs multiple times were able to ambush
not only humans, but like the predators as well, like just sneak up
on them, use everything in their arsenal. They were scratching, they were
clawing, their mouth and their mini mouthing, and then the predators were able
to pop off with some technology here and their little gadgets, their go go
gadgets that they got in there shuts out to inspector gadget that's been on the
brain today, that little little song. But so I did like that.
However, I do agree with you. I wish maybe like the first time
they go toe to toe, like it's it's a lot more cinematic than what
it is. It's it is funny, especially like in hindsight thinking back,
how this was my first introduction to these characters, and I feel like it
just kind of set me off on a trajectory of like, I just like
predit, there's a lot more than xenomorph Xenomorphs are bad guys, and like
that's just how it is from that point on. So in that regard,
it's kind of funny. How depending on what you experienced first, whether it's
like the first Predator or the first Alien or AVP. I feel like it
really like if you had seen Alien first, would you just hate predators?
And it's like, no, I'm all about those creatures because that's my original
big movie Monster. I don't know it's interesting there, but yeah, I
did like at least the showcase of everything, And I do like how the
predators don't just have their guns right away. It's it's kind of video gaming.
I guess how they have to go to like the trophy room to like
get these these guns so they can go to the big bad boss and pop
off with them. Because like clearly they have them on the ship. I
would imagine the other thousands of predators have access to the guns. So like,
when I think about certain specifics like that, that's where it's like,
Okay, I guess that kind of makes sense for what they're doing, But
I just the actual adventure of what it is is just held in such high
regard to me, and I just have so much nostalgic bias for this movie.
Like you bring up very valid points on like we haven't even talked about
the humans yet, Like there's some dialogue between those humans that I literally just
laugh out loud and I'm like, man, that's actually hilarious the way that
they say that. But sorry, well, it's just odd because with the
humans, like we talk about, like it's almost like with the aliens versus
the predators. They go, well, everyone knows these two, so we
don't need to have the meet for the first time they experience each other.
But that's all the humans do. They're like, oh, well, this
must be some ritual and like, no, it's broken from the inside.
They explain the face Huger's like. They do this where they'll come across something
and then there's like a five minute exposition dump. And it's weird in this
movie what they think that the people need a reminder on and other things where
they're just like, well they know that, you know. It's like,
well, it's odd to kind of do that in my opinion, where I
feel like there's many times in the movies they don't handhold. They're just like,
you know, these two iconic characters, watch them go. You know.
I was like I was gonna say, though, like those moments I
still think are critical because for me, this was my first introduction. This
is where I learned about the face huggers and then bursting out his chests,
and if it just happened, it's like, wow, that's that's crazy.
But to know that's how they kind of figured out though you know, you're
you're you're probably right, Uh smart kid, I give you credit. You
know, I just don't see that as a call, and I guess because
of how I experienced it the first time. But it's fair point because as
you said, there is other moments when they put it up like the the
you know, the the viewer will figure this out. It's not hand fed
like other versions of it. So fair for me, it's a conscious because
that's just the only things that humans do. There's no like, like we
said, we learned that one guy her dad died in mountain, and the
other guy has a family who he wants to show that he does cool things
for. And one guy can say things in a different language. You know,
that's Whaling's not doing good. And he got Whaling Coughing twenty four to
seven, and you know, good for Lance Anderson getting that money. But
that that feels like a very even it set in two thousand and four when
they like, oh really like all the other alien and Predator, Like I
guess Predator not so much. Preader's always kind of contemporary, but Alien it's
it's all. That's just it's two thousand and four. It's also dysopian.
It's not our two thousand and four, but same thing. I would rather
than just be even like two thousand and one hundred and four, where there
could be some more sci fi techie stuff. But again, Predder hasn't done
that, So that's that's some more. But I guess that doesn't count though,
because preedderor always says contemporary. They did at that point, but that
was the eighties and nineties, La, that wasn't our two thousand and four,
right It's not like, oh, this looks like what our world looks
like right now. So it's a weird mishmash for me. The setting.
Yeah, I wanted to jump on one thing you guys are saying earlier,
which which is that I agree. I think it would be cool to see
the Predators discoverying the Aliens for the first time and like having to learn that
opponent. But I wonder if part of the reason why they didn't go that
route with this movie when they're writing it is because from the audience. I
mean it's different in the instance of Taylor and Kirklan, who are like,
see this movie before they see anything else, but especially from us, we're
going through chronologically. We didn't do the Predator well, you guys did Predator
Retro earlier, but going through it in this way, it is like,
maybe that's how they felt like for the audience. Okay, there's been four
alien movies. People know how these aliens work, so that angle of like,
oh, the predators have to learn what the aliens are would maybe be
less intriguing because we as the audience already know how they work and what they're
all about, so that mystery wouldn't be that engaging, though I think it
would still be a fun like that could be like a short film or so
that could be like a half an hour like the First Encounter. Here's what
that battle went like. But I think instead where they put the mystery,
and I think it is pretty interesting and well done in this movie is when
the alien when the Predators first dropped down, and they wouldever activate that thing
that pulls the alien queen out of the ice bath so she can start spawning
me, especially someone who's not seen this before. Until yesterday. I was
like, what the hell is going on here? Why are these predators activating
these aliens? Like none of this makes sense? And that mystery was pretty
fun to uncover and figure that out. And then yeah, like within the
same movie. Normally it's like the sequel or the third movie that jumps the
shark. This one already it jumped the shark with that backstory with thousands of
aliens sprawling around the periods pyramids for me, but I think it, I
think it was kind of a smart idea to go with. Okay, how
can we make this a mystery, have that thriller element and the horror side,
like the questioning horror side that we've had in all these other movies,
but from like a different angle because this is the I guess fifth time people
will see aliens. And then how many Predator movies was there prior to this?
Three? Just two? Just two? Okay, So yeah, people
kind of know what those guys are about. But they're almost maybe a bit
simpler than the Aliens to somebody, Yeah, and I don't. And both
those movies they don't really get into the origins of the Predator at all,
Like and we still I guess this is unfortunately part of it with the whole
like landing on Earth and being gods. But they really still haven't done that
in the movies to my knowledge, like Predators isn't really there, don't really
all that clan stuff you talk about Tror they really just hit on that,
and Predators it's not much in the movies. You know, like in the
movies you could just look at them. They look different, of course,
but you don't. They never are like, oh, yeah, I'm Clan
Tully and I'm going come from weeks or where do you learn that stuff?
I mean you mentioned the game. Seems like some of the games actually do
some interesting this This movie is what really kind of put it out there,
because yeah, with Preder one and two, they were just i'd say the
clans, yeah, because because before it was just Jungle Hunter and City Hunter.
That's all we had. There's nothing else. And then this movie comes
along and they're throwing out terms like yaucha and stuff like that. And that's
just when you like you look on like like the Wikipedia pages whatnot. It's
like xenopedia or whatever you call it. So I didn't get that from comic
books or our actual like novelizations. I just was online when I'm like reading
more of like, oh, what's lands are doing in Ava? They're not
from a movie or anything from the wiki. That's kind of where you're learning
wiki. Yeah, so where do the people Where do the people get this
stuff from the wiki? That I have no idea? They probably source it
from from something like that Hedrickson going on there and he's reading. He's like
they called, you know, Ripley Ridley was telling me this, But you're
right, Travis, I'd say, like the clent stuff is further expanded.
And uh, predators when you just have like they even say like it's the
difference between dogs and wolves because you have Morpheus talking about the different types of
predators out there fighting each other and all that. So not Morpheus. I
could picture him in this big cross Lord's Fishbourne Fishburn and playing that. Yeah.
No, And because I think the predators are just they're just an alien
race. You know that that's just it. You know where alien they obviously
had that mystery, but predators they've never been like, oh, well,
this asteroid hit this planet and they were mutated, and which I am happy
with, you know, I don't I'm not asking for the origin of the
Predator Disney. So it's funny because I feel the same way for Predator and
Alien, Like I I've never really wondered that, like like like maybe like
oh, like how did yeah, never mind, Like I never got to
the point of like how do the Predator just get so jacked? And like
where would they find uh? They would they find out how to hunt and
track and all these things like I'm I'm just there for the ride. And
that's why I like watching watching these movies. Yeah, exactly, we'll get
there. Uh. Like watching these movies, it's like, hey, those
key moments actually hit really hard, Like I really like the them getting there
and just popping off in camouflage, like I like seeing that just shown.
But then like the stuff with the pyramids and like, oh yeah, I
kind of forgot about this and this just doesn't make sense. And then of
course I'm pulling now from my knowledge of going through the Predator retro and it's
like, yeah, no, I just don't like this. I don't like
this version, but uh, there's enough in here and man Nostall is very
powerful as well, Like like if if I if I hadn't seen this movie,
before i'd probably be very negative of just thinking of those origins moments.
But yeah, no, I yeah, it's just this, this got me
in my formation years. So there you go. Mm hmm. So it's
all about sometime the formation years. I'm kirklum. What are some of these
iconic lines? What are they? Some of these? The main one for
me that I literally think about every well, every workday at least, is
the great line when I can't remember name lex is that her name? She
goes to Brusso whatever, the chick with the classic early two thousands, the
short white white hair, and you know, this is like like you're not
gonna need that gun. Essentially I'm gonna I'm I'm gonna be pair for twenty
years on the ice, all right. I seeing a gun, say someone's
life that's say something like that, It's like you won't be needed. It's
like I'd rather have it and not need it, then need it and not
have it. You know. Same same principle as a condom. And man
like if I'm going to work, if I'm going to a job site and
I'm like thinking about what tools I need, I'm like, Okay, I
might not need this, but I'd rather have it and not need it then
need it. Not have it like that is such a great thing to carry
just in day to day, you know, like I'm I gonna need my
son's screen if I'm going here, Man, I'd rather have it, not
need it, Like it's just a prepared thing. So that line, and
like, because I've seen this movie so many times. When I think of
that line, now, I think of blonde hair chick with their condomline and
her gun, and like that's where I just think of that moment. I'm
like, man, I love this movie. Like this just this gave me
some life lessons of this movie right here. That's amazing. The the La
Luna del whatever Taylor's name is. That one doesn't really come up too much
in my day to day unfortunately. But next time we're out and we see
that big moon, now hunter Moon, I'll say that to you. I
love it too, because it's like he says it and they look at each
other and they both just kind of chuckle and laugh and then it like cuts
scene and it just keeps going. I'm like, it's a good foreshadow though,
right, Like that's fair, I guess, but I just it's an
awkward laugh that they have and it's just like Wow, okay, yeah,
that's that's that interaction right there. And this movie has quite a few of
those, with just some of the scienti scientist type character like Buddy with the
camera. It's always talking about his boys that I feel like, I haven't
seen this actor in anything except for The Rundown. If anyone's seen that movie,
The Great Movie, it's been a minute. I don't remember him from
there, So that's it's just the pilot, and it's like, right away,
I just remember that movie. Just seeing certain characters in like this era
of films, so it's like, oh, I remember seeing that guy that
probably the Rundown probably came down like or sorry, my gosh, that was
easy for me to say. It probably came out same time as The Rundown,
I think does five. So there you go, same haircut, he
had, same set. They definitely make things obvious with the way they're talking
to and I guess people that aren't familiar with aliens, like and they're looking
in the sacrificial chamber and the guy's like, oh, it's common in ancient
sacrifice to take the organs that or take the heart out the girl's like,
that's not where the heart is, and it looks like something broke out of
this body. But that scene like that still gives me the hebgb's when the
doors close and the eggs rise, and the designs of the face huggers too,
I appreciate how different they are from the original. They just they feel
bigger, and they really feel more like a giant crab, a spider crab,
just the way they jump in that slow moll scene, just as it's
freaky. But that's actually one of the unrated versions. The extra scenes here
when they go down here before the doors closed and they separate what's his name,
Sebastian. He goes off around this corner and they see kind of like
this statue thing and then like a fossilized face hugger skeleton just drops on him
and they're looking at it and I'm trying to figure out what it is.
They don't know, and so they care on. Yeah, I've never seen
that scene, so, yeah, I definitely have never seen the unrated version.
And then you said they're like the whalers are getting hunted in the beginning.
Yeah, at the beginning. Yeah, at the beginning, you have
a whaler just running in the snow, freaking out, and then the predator
like is attacking him. And then as he's like crawling back, you see
a xenomorph in predator vision like lunge out from behind him, and then it
cuts to the satellite flying in space. The other scene that I recall in
this one, it always cracks me because the predator, you guys would hate
it. Uh, the predator plays a prank on Lex basically, you know,
when he's cutting the head off and making the spear he makes Lex looking
closer, and the predator's dragging his knife on the alien's head and then jabs
it and the preyor's tongue shoots out and scares Lex, and you can just
tell the predator's actually being like comedic's just chuck l's chuck late. Yeah,
it's so good. I hear that laugh from the first prea. I don't
like my predators like that. I like them arrogant hunters. Even then,
I was not a fan of him souping up the scientists and like, here's
your weapon. I just I just why the predator can't do this alone.
He needs this and the scientists with him. I like, so in retrospect,
like thinking back my memories, this was like the high highlight of the
movie. I feel like, like when the Humans pair up with the predators
and he soups her up and they go to fucking take on the Xenomorphs,
I'm like, that is so cool. I love it, Like like the
Humans pairing up with this badass Hunters watching it this time, I'm like,
this is so this is so not good. This is so not good,
And like this one really aged poorly for me. Of just him, like
it seems like he's on a like a pretty like drastic goal right now.
It's like, Okay, I just lost my two buddies. I'm on this
mission alone. I gotta just detonate this bomb and get the fuck out of
here, like that is my goal now. And then he takes the time
to just stop, and it's it's a much longer scene too than I remember
it being of him like just chopping the head off and he's doing this like
weird motion, and then and then like they don't talk, so he has
to like make sure that she understands what he's doing. It's like I'm dripping
it on the helmet and then dripping it on the floor, and then as
I'm watching it now, I'm like, this would just be so hilarious if
she was just so dense and the predator just he like can't get through on
like what he's trying to do. She's like, oh, what, like
what do I do with the head move? And she's just like seen in
a scary movie. Yeah exactly. So like those moments aged so poorly,
and she met like I thought we were actually gonna get to the end of
the movie and she wasn't gonna use the spear or the helmet. I always
found it weird that they get to where Miller died and she just like drops
the spear for the gun, Like can you imagine me in the Predator And
you're like, are you fucking kidding me? I just took twenty minutes to
make that for you and you pick up that slimy gun. Yeah exactly,
I'd be pissed off. But she does end up stabbing the queen near the
end, so yeah, it did get used, and she even used the
shield, So okay, that's a bare pass, but that one didn't age
well for me at all. That sequence those again the Predators, when the
Old School Predator is like let down by Oh gosh, what's his name?
What do you got, Travis? What's his name? No? No,
no. In The Predators, he's the main guy, the main mercenary.
Uh. His name is Adrian Brodie. I can't remember what it is.
Yeah, I don't remember his actual name, but yeah, so Brody's character
he cuts him down and he's like, you're gonna take me the ship,
and the Predator like grabs by the neck, drops him Predatory and then he
pops up his like all the music kicks in with that Predator theme and he
pops up his map of Earth and it's like, oh, this is fucking
cool. And then the super Predator comes in and then the old school Predator
walks in front of Age and Brody. Fuck it's good ship And not even
at any point in that movie. I don't remember that. But Royce is
a guy's name, Royce. That's it. Did you find the scene Kirkland
because I gotta ignore this one. Yeah, like me on that right now,
watching the scene of it's called a pred Or humor and he's gonna do
his joke here. Yeah, a big fans actress and Nip tuck but not
here. Yeah, it's just it's just a weird, wild scene just to
put it ever, Yeah, you know, he's just he's pulling the fast
so yeah, she gets she gets scared, and he's like, oh,
he's chuckling, and she does like the scoff face like yeah, see she
does. Yeah that's bad. You're talking to it like an alien super killer
and you scoff. You know, he's smiling under that. He's fucking got
her. These stupid humans. Just that just feels like a family guy version
of the predator, like they would do some sort of get this. I'm
glad they cut it. I'm glad. I'm glad that was I guess in
the Fisher movie. But I still don't like a few, I'll say,
many mannerisms of the predators in these movies. Even your equivalation to the the
Tree predator, Taylor, that's like, to me, that makes sense because
like, well, that predator and him are working together, and it's not
in this kind of humanizing way. The predator he's doing his own way of
showing is you know, thank you for letting down Tree. I'm going to
give you this sort away. But this sometimes do the aliens they the CG
is better here, luckily than it was in some of those sequels near the
past. I think they do sometimes much like the predators feel like guys in
suits at times, especially during the fights. They're a little clunky, So
I think that's where again it's either I think it's actually both. I think
it's choreography, and I think it's just the way it's shot. The way
they shoot them together fighting at the times is not always the cleanest. So
that's my thing of just the preader. I know they are more human like,
but I don't like when they necessarily go to human But I'm glad they
cut that. Glad it's on the internet for everyone to enjoy. So go
to go search AVP the lead seeming Predator humor if you want to get that
for you. One thing I uh, I really don't like and here is
just how effective Woods is at taking out aliens and fighting back against them.
I just feel like they're such a strong foe, and we have these other
alien movies where trained like Merks and people who are trained to kill and fight,
these soldiers are just getting their ass handed to them by by these aliens.
But then she just kind of gets like a lucky stab and gets a
kill on one or like her ability to fight back, and obviously later on
it's like with the help of the predator. But I feel like for someone
who is just like what, she's like a travel guide essentially. That's why
she's brought in, right, because she's good at traversing these just I don't
know, I guess very foreign or daunting atmospheres and locations. Like, to
me, that's not a fighter. She doesn't have a fighting background, so
she shouldn't be as good at this, And most of the time it just
comes across as lucky, which I don't really like that the aliens are just
dying to luck or getting ousted in this kind of way. So yeah,
I feel like, like as Travis was mentioning, like in a movie like
this, you don't you don't really need the humans. I understand why they
have them here, but I think it is weird that they put them on
equal footing, because you know, if it's like a top level fighter,
like maybe that would make sense and that could be an interesting, interesting diambic.
When it's just some random person who has no fighting background who is so
expert at fighting them, I don't, I don't really like that. So
that sequence was all a little too cheesy for me, a little too goofy.
But that kind of Ripley, though, what's up isn't that Ripley basically
because she's just a pilot and with no combat experience. But I don't feel
like it's as luck. I feel like it's her earning it and going through
trials and tripulations where like Dylan said, she'll fall down the spear and just
like and it's just like, I don't know how I feel about that.
It's just and again, that's one alien that she gets lucky on. There's
multiple aliens here getting taken out throughout the movie. I feel like the Ripley
kill and it's not even a kill, it's like they get rid of it.
In a sense, it feels way more justified in the run time of
Oh, she's learned, she's seen all this stuff. She's also watching the
other humans get taken out. She just like escapes like she's just running away.
She doesn't kill one of the bare hands, and like she's putting the
blood on her face and everything. You know. Yeah, and I give
her a badass flamethrower or put her in that giant mech suit. Yeah,
you know, it's like a little bit different, I I think, but
I see where you're coming from there. But I I love the cheesiness of
the predator making a shield out of an alien head and a sword of his
tail. That is prime. That is pure cinema, as Kirkla is saying,
like, I I love that so much, but yeah, the stuff
that followed and the character side of it not so much. I just love
that that equip I think it's just so cool. Also, like I thought,
I remember it being like a portion of the head, like I didn't.
Like, she literally just has that like the mouth like right there,
like his whole head is just on her army, And like I feel like
that would be pretty dangerous because like you know, the predator does the cut,
but like she's still just holding it where a wound would be to be
blood. Yeah, yeah, exactly. It doesn't make sense. Yeah,
well that's the the thing with predators, right, they're the masters of skinning
their prey right just from inside. He delayed, He fulaid that Zeno,
Okay, there you go. How'd you guys feel about these? Obviously,
Travis, you mentioned like the CGI is good here, and I agree for
the for the better than the sequels. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
But how do you guys feel about the the just general movements And yeah,
I guess just the general movements of the alien specifically, because we talked
about that a lot, and the evolution of like the first couple of ones
like really just kept the aliens hidden in the dark a lot of the time
and showed like little sequences or very rarely like the full body moving around in
big way. But then as we get further and front of these movies,
we're seeing them do more different types of movements, and I feel like in
this they had a very different like I felt like they were looking like raptors
and then like the very like a t rex. Like it felt like,
Okay, the Jurassic Park influence is definitely here now, but yeah, they
felt distinctly different from me than they looked before. Obviously from the practical stuff,
but then even then to the sea gi in the later Alien movies,
they felt very serpentine to me. They even call them serpents in this movie,
which I never really thought of the Zenos as being like a serpentype creature
until I guess this version. It's like, it's funny because my favorite version
of Alien is the first one you really don't see it move like at all,
Like you see a couple shots of maybe its perspective, but yeah,
like it's just the arms and that's it, and that's the beauty of that,
right, Like it's a hidden threat. And then just what the face
is is terrifying. I feel like the my favorite version of seeing its movement
is probably from Alien Isolation actually because it doesn't feel as like like an eel
to me, which this one kind of does. The tale is definitely,
oh it's everywhere and it's but I think that adds to it, where like
you're hiding under a desk and then yeah, you just see like the if
he leaves, he still feels far away from you now, but like the
tail is still uh wiggling in your face. Yeah exactly. So I thought,
uh, yeah, it's not my favorite version. Maybe I can make
the arguments my least favorite version, but I don't know. I don't know.
Because the c G I like you definitely I agree with you. Guys
like it it it. It held up more than I was expecting it to,
I guess, especially the Queen, Like I thought that was gonna be
atrocious, But it actually wasn't that bad for even like some modern standards,
you know, the classic log truck, Like how many decades did that come
after this? Right, so trying to feel bad for like the probably overworked
log truck. Exactly, you don't want cement, you want log truck,
all right, The cement looks prime and any circuses goll and then the truck.
Yeah, I thought he likes logs more than cement. But like the
one that really stood out to me as being like a nice looking CGI is
actually when the queen recalls all the aliens and then they just they mount up
on her and just give her the little mini mouse. Yeah, like that
that looked fucking good in my opinion. Like that, like that looked pretty
damn prime. And it's probably nice that there was no humans like also to
blend together. That's usually with the CGI. Really really it's gonna say shine
in a bad way, I guess, but no, it it looked pretty
damn good. Yeah, Like I kind of said, I'm like a fifty
to fifty. I get that they got to move a certain way when you
got them going up against predator. I preferred where a few times where it
was the alien kind of sneaking up and being more stealthy. But again,
there's times it's tough when you got them doing that much action. You're gonna
see some guy in a suit eventually, But then there is over correction.
As I'm watching, we'll get to them Prometheus in Government. There's times where
it's like, especially in Covenant, when they go full overburns all CGI.
Then it's okay, well, now I'd rather take the suit guy because this
just doesn't feel threatening at all. When I know this actor's slapping just in
air or at least this guy that's standing there moving around, it's like,
well I could buy that bit more. So, I'm pretty okay within this
one. But yeah, not my favorite version as usual. Yeah, I
it blows my mind. That's some projects today just don't hold up on the
CGI. And this movie just it's not bad. It's really not bad.
When some of the aliens are jumping in certain moments, I like it.
I think it's cool. Again, the face huggers look great as well,
and the face huggers look good. I think. Yeah, the Queen,
like you said, Kirkland, I think that's pretty dang good, especially for
the end sequence as well, and you get that predator doing that just like
I don't know, he just pulled a sheave move and he just takes that
spear and like backhands, not even facing the alien queen, but jump here
flip. Oh my god, it's fucking cool. The only time you'll ever
see a predator do that, like in any any movie. I think,
No he does. He doesn't bust that out again w rec room with the
flip stat Oh no, no, that's that's superhero level. But yeah,
I think as far as the I like how every alien looks different, and
I can appreciate the original one. These ones, yea, their movements are
very different, like you said, serpent eel like, but I do like
their design, and I think the difference is you don't see, aside from
the queen, these aliens standing up like a human wood. I guess in
that sense like your alien Isolation. Even like the original alien, there are
some moments where it's standing up. I think one was it when it was
killing the girl and the guy, basically when they're trying to get the oxygen
and all that jazz. So it stands up fully and it's just in aquol
little fight scene. But these ones are always crouched down. Even when they're
escaping on the sled to get up the tunnel, you see them, they're
all crouched down, and I like that. They're more kind of like sneaky
like that, I guess. But they're a design too, I can really
appreciate. I just love how sleek and black and shiny they're their domes are
and their their heads. It's just very eerie and freaky. So yeah,
right, good domes. Uh. I guess I got another question for you,
guys, how do you actually feel Whalen in the use of uh the
old man Whalen in this in this movie take take it at Kirkland, I'll
take mine. I know you like the one scene. Yeah, it's it's
it's cemented in my brain. Like if if I get old and gray and
I start forgetting things, I feel like I'll still remember that scene of don't
turn it off back ons in the hospital blast them with fire. Yeah,
I guess he's dying, so kind of makes sense. But like, dude,
just don't do anything, just let the predit and like that's just so
cowardly too, the way they do, you know, like he waits for
the threat to turn his back, just fucking flamethrows in with his can of
hair spray in his pocket. Yeah, I I love it for nostalgia reasons
and just the meme, but it's it's a pretty ridiculou this moment. I
love that. Uh what's his name, Lance Hendry. Yeah, it's like
it's fun now going through Aliens and just seeing him actually pop up in these
movies, Like it's nice that he's like Whalin now like like that, that's
kind of a fun thing. I will say, though, the more I
experienced Whalin, the far less of an intriguing character he is. And uh,
you know, we're doing another movie to talk about and uh yeah,
I just don't like Whalen at all. I don't like it. It's it's
like, the best version of Alien is when it's basically hidden. The best
version of Whalen is when you just don't see him and he just represents this
this company that's just the biggest company ever and they just have endless pockets and
you don't fully understand their motivations. Well then you meet the fucking guy and
he just wants to just I don't know, going a thrill ride on his
last Like he's he's he's doing a bucket list thing, like I just wanna
just want to see these things close and personal and blow torch him in the
face. But yeah, I not a fan of Whalen as a character at
all in every version I've seen him in so far. And uh yeah,
that scene definitely holds up though for the mean purpose at least, I agree
with that being a say, except for it holds up. I mean,
I don't that's fair. It's fair. You know, it's maybe twenty years
from now you'll find it funny, but you just saw it for Monday.
Maybe not exactly. Yeah, maybe in a week or so it'll it'll hit
that nostalgic love for me. But I did like the angle of the predator
doing his doing his heat vision and seeing just that cancer just going hamm or
whatever it was inside of him, and then deeming him not worthy and just
leaving him there. So for that moment was really good until the until he
shouts that just cheesy ass lone. I can see why that would be a
meme favorite for you. It's definitely it's definitely in that in that actual don't
done back on me, I think it it's I I appreciate they try to
put in some lore stuff as far as connected to other movies, right,
because it's familiar face. But uh, that's where my appreciation uh kind of
ends for it there. I don't think I don't think it's don't think it's
needed. I when we tell the other review, I prefer that route.
But in these movies, these original ones, even in Alien three, it's
very random when he just comes back like I'm whaling. I'm the real guy.
It's always like, all right, we're doing this right now, Okay,
Like it's even if you weren't even whaling in those Alien movies, right,
That's the weird thing, is he not? No, he's just the
guy that created those those robots in Alien three, and then in Aliens he's
called Bishop, and then in this movie, Yeah, I think he's calling
No Alien three, that's he's whaling. He's he's not whaling in that he
when he talks to sing Gordy before she jumps, he is a different place.
Clement Clements, where's his name? I remember looking into it and they
pulled out that he was and everything, well, but not looking into it.
In the movie, doesn't he say I'm Whalen and I'm here to like
give you a new life if you give it the alien Like I'm going by
that in my head canon and canon. This movie is not canon. But
I thought we talked about Oh yeah, they based some of those draw whatever
robots on whalan because he's the guy what they say he's Clemens, Like I
think he starts by saying Clemens. Michael Bishop. Is this guy's name?
That's that's who he is in the an Alien three? Michael Bishop? Yeah,
Michael Bishop. And so he's got the the the robots he's made called
Bishop. He was an executive officer of the whalen Utwani Corporation, and he
designed the Bishop androids. Is Bishop a robot then? Or a man?
Well? Bishop in Aliens is? But then, okay, who's Clemens?
Who's who Alien three? Aliens three? His name is Michael Bishop, So
he's not c Where do we get this is the guy that Sigourney hooks the
doctor? Yeah that's right, So hey, this guy's what's the guy's name
from Aliens three? Again? Michael? Mind right now? Buttle this?
So no, Bishop wasn't Aliens. I thought you just say in Aliens the
droid is called Bishop. The creator of the droids is called Michael Bishop,
and Alien three makes them. So I thought Whalan built it after himself because
his ego is so bad. That's Prometheus, I'd say. That's now.
I thought we talked about Alien three. I'm with Dayla and dilanmore. I
thought we talked about this actively to go back. Okay, So let's say
if we didn't do that, So why does Whalan look like Michael Bishop?
Well that I don't know. This is his name is Charles Bishop? Whyland
in in a VP? So I get I think they're just they're just well,
or you could argue that Michael Bishops uh in the Whalen family. Still,
but Travis, you're trying to make You've already said this isn't cannon for
you. I know you're trying to make this cannon because this is the only
that you see in their mind. If they're making this as a prequel sequel
right to Alien? Who the fuck is this guy? He's Whalen? Right?
He said? Who is Michael Bishop? And three? That looks exactly
like Lance Hendrickson. He's a yaucha under the mask. Or I'm not gonna
let their bad decisions go by Well, I considered, what f movie?
No, we're talking about this movie right now? Why the fuck does Whalen
look like Michael Bishop? But why the same person? You can see that
about like an actor in the MCU that plays a different character in the MCU.
It's like, well, why does he look the same. There's a
lot of difference from Jim and champlaining, look just like the blue alien from
but she's a blue alien that no one knew where this is like, looks
like her a famous actor at this point. He has a big role in
two AM three. No, this is this guy and this one supposed to
be a descendant of the actor. Well, it's not the original wal Yes,
I guess it's not that whaling clearly not, because that is so okay,
bring a little bit in that guy Pierces. Uh, that's the Whalen,
right, that's the that's like the Steve Jobs right right, Yeah,
okay, So then this guy, this one was a descendant of that guy.
But that guy was you know, on ice for a long time.
Presumably what's this what's this descendant thing? Though? Like, are you talking
about this movie or Aliens three? Well, because there's there's time difference,
because remember this is a different movie. Let's just say if the av movie
they made it to be canon. Yeah, but remember message, that's the
thing. This takes place in two thousand and four. That's why we're using
the sentence thing because when alying takes place, it's like yeah, because that's
wha does take place, like yeah, when it came out right yes,
So it's like, that's why I'm saying descents because if like this Whalen,
he's clearly no, he's dead right when we get to alien with Ripley.
So this guy just has to be like another rich guy and he gave it
to his son, who I guess I'm getting is his guy pierced his son
if you were trying to make it all work, but like his grandson or
something like that. So that's what you mean by to send that Clements is
somewhere in there. They're doing Jurassic A doctor that's a Gourny. He's secretly
she came out of he's a bastard like there's it depends how you look at
it. I just I don't see how this How many clans are there in
the Whalem family a lot like this. This Michael Bishop guy is just he's
he worked for a different company and then got hired on with the Whaling company,
like he just he designed the robots. Now in Prometheus you have a
Peter Whaland and now an a VP you have Charles Whalen, Like they're just
there's all these different Whalen's, right, and this Charles Whalen is supposed to
be the guy that started the Whalen Corporation. And then you have Peter Whalen,
who started the Whalen Corporation. So then there's other Whalens in the game,
right, Like there's so many different Whalens. So it's awful interpret Now
I take it away from them, and I'm like, oh, for lower
purses is good. But I'm with you, don't. I thought with three
that he was like similar to what we talked about. We will talk about
Prometheus, but Prometheus they don't talk about like, oh, I made these
robots look like me. So I thought that's what was happening here. Lance
Hendrickson, I don't see it any I don't have Canona's lore being related to
like being Whalen. Later on. I think they just the creators saw,
hey, let's bring in Lance Hendrickson he needs a paycheck. This will be
a cool tie into the Aliens. Have you seen him lately? He needs
a paycheck. He smells awful, shower interesting. I love our playground.
I love the under Ice Temple. It's it's a fun hunting ground, especially
which is every ten minutes it kind of shifts on itself. Sebas Shit as
a character. I remember liking a lot more, probably because lines like la
Luna del katcha totally linguini whatever that it says. I can't say that last
word, Like, I remember it being more interesting. It's kind of funny
when he's like translating something. I think lex is like, can can you
translate it? It's like, I'll try, and then it just goes to
a full fucking cinematic movie on like very in depth details of what wins on
the past. I think I'll try and translate it, and then he just
details everything like there was one thousand and one aliens exactly that rose to the
top, and getting very in depth imagery of the sacrifices and everything, and
so that was kind of funny to experience. In the hindsight, I guess
you kind of have to tell that tale because up until that point, we
never actually saw like the alien or sorry, the predators in the godlike role
of being on the pyramid, So that's I guess where you have that scene.
But yeah, it just seemed like that guy had all the answers to
everything, like, oh, it's a calendar, it's it's in metric and
ten ten, it's like what's a year one hundred years ago? And like
he just knew everything. So that kind of was annoying a little bit.
But yeah, I like his bottle cap. I guess I like, uh,
I'm sorry, I don't have anything out on that one. Kirkland,
That's fine. I had talk over I didn't. I didn't love the human
characters, but in Xenopedia, I love when they talk about Michael Bishop.
Michael Bishop was an executor assis for Wayland, the Utanny Corporation in the late
twenty second century. He notably designed Bishops series androids. He also bore a
striking resemblance to Charles Bishop whitalan, co founder Wayalan Industries. That's just how
they explained that they have they just look alike. So just like then said
in the n C, they just they just look alike. There, So
on that note, have we ever interacted with a utawni in any we have
in the movies? Uh? Not yet yet. Well I'll leave it at
that, we ever and then you would, oh, wait, were you
asking like what we've reviewed so far? Just in general? Anything, just
anything we ever seen this character? And was like, yes, but has
seen this character public? But they don't talk about this character much? Is
it interested? Is it? It's a requiem? It's not any of the
scott Ones coming up right, Yeah, because I don't think Scott Yeah,
he wasn't doing that. So it's Lance Hendrix striking resemblance to Bishop Bishop Clemens
and there Clemens, Waylon Clemens. Utani. He's the Utani, He's the
bastard. Go ahead, Sorry no, yeah, I I I just agree.
I like a lot of the sets that they made for this. I
think maybe would have liked a little bit more variety. I didn't really expect
this whole movie to take place in just like one kind of zone, but
it did. I'm curious what the setting of the second one will be,
just in terms of hopefully get some more variety there. But I think my
favorite set piece in here was just the the room of the shifting walls and
floors. I just love that trope in general. So I don't know if
there's anything special to say, It's just it was just fun. It was
just fun having these some people getting trapped another one some people getting crushed.
Like it's just it's it's good stuff there. I will say that the scene,
it's a bit later on when Sebastian and Woods are like going through that
doorway that's closing that classic scene, that stone doorway that's rising up the way
they shot that, I'm like, Sebastian is one hundred pcent getting crushed here,
and based on like how how quickly someone can crawl, there's no way
he made it out of that thing. I was I with the behind him
too, Yeah, exactly, Yeah, that just whizz by. I mean
Woods as well, just generally. We talked about this with Alien, but
goddamn, does she ever have plot armor, Like, especially when she's falling
from that bridge kind of thing that's crumbling under her. Once again, no
way in hell that she would have been caught by Sebastian there, and then
he got caught right after that. Por Sebastian, yeah, port Sebastian,
yeah. Yeah. The temple must have been designed by Kiaran Jindash or something
from dishonor to Clockwork Mansion. Absolutely, I don't know if I have much
else to I think just my last shout right, here is the Predator with
that one little one two punch of like slicing the face hugger in half with
his scar s thing and then like decapitating the other alien like that was that
was badass. So shout out to him. Oh yeah, the what was
I gonna say? The Oh no, kill time, kill time. I
got a Bishop hendrickson the third, Charles Utani the fifth is. I hope
he's in Romulus. I hope there's a I hope they get Lance Heneryson back
again to play another bishop there. Yeah, that interesting. Looks like a
kind of a No Name cast for the most part for Romulus. I could
be wrong. They're up and comers because that the lady from Civil War that
was a young photographer. She's she's gonna be a big deal, remember she's
yeah, and she's trail. And there's somebody else too that is it's it's
a lot of people that I think when you watched No Name, that's of
course, yeah, but no, they're on the up and up yeah,
and there's another Oh and then and then Isabelle I think her name is Marcette.
Yeah, so she was Door the Explorer, but she's gonna be big
because James gonna casters Hawk Girl in the DCU. So and she's also in
another project to come up. So I think this is a cast that when
you watch five years from now, you'll be like, oh, they got
these people a lot earlier than she wasn't Adam Webbs, so maybe not so
good there, Oh that's what she is. She's she's playing Dina in Last
of Us and that's gonna be a huge role for her. She's it's not
big spoiler's girlfriend. Yeah, so it's yeah, you know he did that
was perfect. So Max Whalen Utawny's Clempson's his little recruiter guy that went around.
I love that. It was just the same guy that literally was just
everywhere to recruit everyone. And it's like a very critical like globetrotter, like
they call Lex like I'm a week from the rest of the world. He's
just there. Yeah, wait then can't wait that long. And then he's
like in Mexico recruiting Sebastian and like I imagine he did that for every member
on the team, Like, I can't imagine whether it be anyone else.
So maybe he's, uh, maybe he's the creator of his own Maxwell droids.
Maybe maybe that's that is. There's just hundreds out there in the world,
just recruiting them all. But did you did you not recognize him?
Kirkland? I definitely recognized him. What do I recognize him from? From
Game of Thrones? No? No, no, he was God, I
don't know. I'm forgetting his name here. Let me find out his character
name because right now clicking guy fall let's see here he's in all the pure
spawns. Oh what the hell? He's Charles Charles Robinson. They I don't
know the last name, but Charles is the characters Yeah, last name.
Yeah, Charles is also a character that's in the Craig Ones and I think
he might have been the older ones. I don't know those one as well.
But yeah, he was in every single Purest one. So he was
like M's right hand guy. Yeah. Yeah, he's cool, not too,
he's good at playing a cool guy. Also in the same director,
same director. Yeah, that's funny. This guy directed some fucking resident evil.
This the More movie def racy. Yeah, it's a crazy career,
Like he definitely has his niche good for him, Like was this a successful
movie at the time, like that sequel? So it must have been right.
They must have been happy with it. I'll pull up the budget.
This guy his movies, you know, they may not be looked back upon
as the greatest cinema, But I feel like he probably just rakes it in
at the box office. That's the impression I get. This had a budget
of sixty to seventy and then it made one hundred and seventy million, so
it made about one hundred million dollar profit a little less than that because obviously
sales to back then for sure, But then the it's like even that bad
by the new DVD every time he watches it. So he's got twenty five
copies, none of them are the unrated version. Why did they release this
November? One of the dates for the United States for Alien recommends? December
twenty fifth, United States. I've ember seeing in theaters original? Why did
they put down Christmas? But even that's not so bad. Budget forty million,
They made one hundred thirty million, so they made about forty million last
but still like the third well there's I tried, yeah loaded torch. Well
there is that everyone's hoping. Remember we've told this before. There's that locked
away anime series that they did. Yeah, it's yes, and they never
released it. I think you might see it one day, maybe that leak
that happened, you'll see it. But I tweeted out too. I think
it was the Straws brothers that did Requiem, and I was tweeting out all
the time and they just never responded to me. I was. I was
desperate, like I was always you tweeted out or something paper, it wasn't
digital. Twitter wasn't on two thousand and seven, Taylor, I didn't say
that. So how did you When did you tweet them? You think it
was a few years after this? Uh? Because I after after a pr
released. Okay, when are you looking at when Twitter started? There,
Dylan, that you've seen when Requiem came out? Okay, And I look
at when Twitter started because I would have been in high school at the time,
So I want to say it was like twenty eleven. I think I
was. I was, you know, four years after the movie came out.
Like, that's that's not how you get a move. See another sequel.
Well, because I was waiting, waiting and waiting, and finally I
just got sick and tired of it. I need to go to the source.
So you were going to on Twitter to tweet it them. I went
to the source and I started trying to reach out. When was Twitter?
Was it was before twenty eleven, right, Yeah? Actually technically it was
before Recreem in its July fifteen, two thousand and six. Yeah, but
no one used it. No, it was a nothing app at that point.
I after they didn't use it, then I feel like it got big
twenty ten, twenty twelve, that's when it started to like people were talking
about it was on website stuff. But yeah, I think dyan'es right that
you kind of missed the mark. A few years later, you know,
I still think Disney could. I there's got I don't know what's gonna happen
with Ron and and Pray and everything, but there's got to be somebody that
could run this back and do something actually to me worthwhile with it. Like,
I don't think there's it's loss. I think there is some intes us
there. But I remember reading old articles about this. The directors of ABPR,
like the idea and the concept was they were going to go to space
next and have aliens preaters in space, which would have been the Bees means
where they should have where they should have started on Earth. Oh my goodness.
Anything else for this, I've said all I've had to say. No,
I found an AI trailer for Alien vs. Preder three, So that's
great. Oh look someone April nineteen versus Predator? What's the latest rumors on
AVP Central. That's the website. Nice. Yeah, I was in all
those forums all the time and like a VP three your forms? Oh yeah,
God damn. The Alien Predder Record Movie also known as AVP two.
Let the door for a sequel in the story, I won't go there.
I'm just trying to see, like where do they think that it's there's concept
art on the used concept art. There you go, the Alien Verse preador
the video game The Hunt Alien Versus Predator Peter Biggs unproduced script. They did
a couple of things under there, but nothing. Nothing really. But let's
get into some trivia before we get our ratings here. So in a interview
Paul w Anderson, Paul W. S Anderson said that Arnold Schwarz Singer was
offered the prices for as Dutch at the end of the movie as a cameo,
but only if he lost the election of California Governor Schwartzinger famously won and
he's unavailable to a pr so uh so, yeah, if he lost,
that's the what if that he would have come back as Dutch. And that's
that. That is the one they've still not like there's a couple, but
like now we're going like Michael Keynes Beiel Juice, Like there's only so many
eighties icons I haven't touched. And he came back for Terminator. I think
there's a nothing came back for But like the fact that they've never got him
back for Dutch als happened. I don't know. I really don't know what
success Like, yeah, he has a he has a his Netflix show's going
on in the season too. It wasn't the greatest, But I just feel
like with Prey, they're doing like a Praise sequel and they're rooming to do
like a Predator that's in apocalyptic time. I just don't know if they're gonna
do that. Maybe that'd be great if he made it in the apocalyptic time
and Dutch and I think he could fit there because like even in the Predator,
right, they were just toying with the ideas, even though it was
super messy. They clearly want him back and Predators they tried, and that's
why Lawrence Fishbourne going there because he turned them down. So but the same
thing is he always turns them down, so they just not offering him money.
But like it's just it's so funny, you know, Sidneworny Weaver did
all these and still Arnold just the one Predator, but the Alien Queen at
the time was the most sophisticated animatronic ever built and at twice the moving parts.
It's the t Rex from Jurassic Park. Wow, that was a big
one. While the film languished and development hell, twenty century Fox considered producing
a fifth Alien movie franch of the franchise and said James Gramman wrote a script
and was going to produce it, and then he was gonna have simgourney and
we were coming back and star of course, and Ridley Scott was going to
direct it. They both met for lunch and express interests and were very like
apparently for Scott and Cameron it was like we're doing this. And then the
studio is like, now we're gonna actually do Alien versus Predator because I guess
it wasn't Hell. And then the rumor has Thatt, Paul Laius Anderson just
like what are you guys doing with that? And they're like, oh,
you know. He's like, well, I want to make it, and
like, oh, you can make it, Like it sounds like no one
really wanted to do it, and Anderson was like I'll do it and like
sure. So that shut down Cameron and Scott, and they were pissed about
it when they decided to use it for a Crossovers story instead. Cameron Weaver's
got all distanced himself from any projects and lay declaire they would never work on
either franchise ever. Again, Cameron sees all work on the project, believing
the crossover kill the validity of the franchise. Several years later, Scott did
end up working on Prometheus, which was a rework of his pitch, so
that again he did work on it, but that was always something he had
been working on. This was the first Alien franchise movie, and on touson
Goran Weaver, who said the idea sounded awful, the crossover and uh so
really. Scott says he's never seen any of these films in full. He
just couldn't bring himself to watch them. So he's seen bits and pieces,
but he was not a fan, and that's why they don't In the Alien
Comedy, they don't count there. The Morse code picked up by the salad
in the film spells out the worlds who or spells it the words whoever wins,
we lose. This is, of course the tagline that they use to
promote the film, So there you go, the only film for either Alien
predt to get a PG thirteen rating. This led to much backlast from the
fans, and that's where he got an unrady cut for the DVD. Pauloi
Anderson is just such a little slimy piece of shit. Around the time the
film's released, it was reported that Anderson had said that special industry screening of
the film was always planned as radar and shot the way, but only three
weeks prior released, the studio severely cut the film. This account has been
heavily disputed by the AVV writer Peter Briggs. It was later revealed that the
press screening never actually took place, and that was internet rumor Anderson said that
interview of the film had seen in theatre's version that he intended for audiences,
however, to appease fans in an unrated version, or made an unrayed version
for scenes in Gordler's release later, So that guy just like he he shot
it as like it was always gonna be PG thirteen and then they got up
to like, oh the studio they uh, they made me cut this stuff.
And then after yeah, I just lied about that, like what a
You know why he did is because he just fucking want more money. Because
PG thirteen got him more money. So I just like, what a slimy
like I hate that. It's like good for him movie, he filled the
bank for his pocket, I guess. But what like a No, the
student, especially studio has always get ship. So it's like such a believable
lie. Imagine back then, I'm like, no, three weeks before they
made me cut all this stuff, and then the writer's like, no,
that's not what happened. So, uh he's married to Mila Joviovic. Yeah,
that's why she's in all his like movies. Yeah, he wrote every
person, Well that's wild. Yeah, they're just freaking in them, like
that's I mean, this guy, this is a purely for money kids,
Travis, come onspect the hustle. Yeah, exactly right, that's nothing tour
director that I'm too big A fan of Early reports claimed that the story was
about humans who tried to lure pretters with alien eggs, all though the idea
was scratched, which that didn't sound any better with what we got, Like,
I don't know the idea of like, so humans get eggs like that?
Yeah, human? So the idea is human get eggs and they I
guess there's some plot reason why they want to get predators. So they like,
we have your mousetrap. It's a big mouse trap right on. That
sounds confusing, So whatever, here's our boy here. With the filming of
this movie, Lance Anderson became the second actor to be killed on screen by
an alien, a predator, and a terminator. Bill Paxson was the first.
So they both hold that honor of getting killed by those three iconic characters.
So and finally, twenty twenty century Fox one roll in Emberk to direct
the film back in the nineteen nineties do the box office success of Independence Day,
but Embert turned down the offer, choosing to work on other projects,
and same thing. They had offered it to Guermo del Toro, but he
opted to do help Away instead. So again that's what happened. They have
this idea, there's a script. Apparently they pitched a bunch of dread actor.
Everyone's like, I don't want to do that, and then Anderson Kam
said I'll do it, and then and that's why we were so And I
don't even know what they would have done with that Alien five because I don't
know if it would have been good. But like, I don't know what
they would have done with getting some Gorny back, and like I actually liked
the idea of that, Cameron writing and Scott directing. I think there could
have been something from there. But I don't know how you get really,
I guess you just do what we do nowadays. Right where they would have
probably just made a direct sequel and been like, oh, we're not gonna
We're not gonna do that. So m hmm, yeah, I will start.
I'll get this movie a one of a ten. Cool to see sometimes,
yeah, cool to see some things of them fighting. That's it.
The lowest you've ever are you getting anything to zero or is that straight the
lowest rate? I think I'll definitely give a Netflix and Fail movie probably zero,
So I don't think it's the lowest. I think there's stuff like you
know, the Woody Woodpecker we had to watch this year that would be a
zero, or like The Haughty and the Naughty like stuff like that, Like
there's some other movies out there. But yeah, one at ten, this
is atrocious. I'm not looking forward to two. I don't know, and
that because everyone says two is worse than this. So maybe maybe a zero's
just around the riverband right now? One out of ten insane. Well let's
make this a linear progression because I'm probably gonna get the second mot here.
Honestly, I think this. I think this conversation, this review brought up
my rating potentially because Taylor, you really gave me some good info there on
the Predator and Whalen though, you know, yeah, true, Yeah,
I'm gonna go with I'm gonna go with just a five right in the middle.
Five out of ten? Is it to fail? Is it to pass?
I'll leave that up for you to decide. But it's right on the
edge of there. There's enough here that I had fun with it, like
gating some good discussion did your headphones break? Just five? Five? But
also yeah, there's just there's so many issues with this and it's it's weak
in so many ways. I'm gonna go four point five. No, I
don't think this deserves that fifty. I think it's it's just below. So
there you go, four point five. Who's got the higher score, Kirk,
it's gotta be Taylor as I don't know. We'll see Taylor. I'll
go next, I'll go next. Yeah, this movie, it it aged
how I was hoping it would be in most ways, and it aged not
great in other ways. My rating is might be skewed, might be controversial.
I still truly love this movie, Like I this is such a rewatchful
movie for me. I don't love the whole Predators are God's type thing,
like, like that's something that I can watch this and just kind of disregard
that even though it's on screen and it's happened right in front of me.
I could just be like, I don't really care about that. I'm just
I'm excited for him to just pop off with the squishy net. Whatever the
hell they would call that the the what would you call it that can contract
a constricting net there. That's probably a better word for it. I'm coming
out hot and heavy. This is a nine out of ten movie for me.
I fucking love this one. That that is. That's a heavy score.
But yeah, you're on higher, so that's that's restrained. Yeah,
nine ten movie very nice. Oh that's better be higher. You're forced to
be higher. Now I'm going now out of ten. I am like this
movie has a very very strong place in my heart. Like I said,
this is my introduction to the Alien franchise, and I love so much of
this film. I My biasedness is that I don't see a lot of flaws
with this film, and I watch it because I just love to just sit
back and enjoy the chaos that that ensues. Now, I'm not going to
disregard that it is got some questionable writing and the acting is definitely not all
there. But to see my three predators, Scar, Celtic and Chopper just
going to town, like, I love it. Who are the two they
get? Chopper and Celtic. Scar is the one that survives to the end,
But Scar's probably my favorite predator too. I will say, like by
the rank my youches, maybe we'll do another episode of that now, Okay,
I know exactly like Wolf, which you guys will get to see eventually.
Uh fuck, he's a badass, youcher. Oh my god. Yeah.
Just I remember when this when this in closing my thoughts here, when
this movie wrapped up, and there's only a few movies that I religiously would
go online and spend hours looking into research to find a sequel, the nineties
got Zilla movie that never got a sequel a v P. I looked at
that, and finally it was announced I got a VP two, and I
remember I was going to high school. I was sharing photos with all my
friends like, man, we're getting a v P two, and like they
were like, oh my god, damn, this is great. It's more
like Pepper Taylor, like, oh cool, back on me. The sequel
Alien Bread. I just I can't wait to get to that. That movie
next hotly Ship and I'm I'm going and anticipating a lot of negativity. But
that movie has done a lot of things right in comparison to this one for
me, So yeah, in comparison, well interesting, love it, ladies
and gentlemen. That is the end of Alien Versus Predator for the public feed.
We will be back with Alien versus Predator reck Reem in the near future,
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