1 00:00:11,519 --> 00:00:15,400 What is going on Clipper fans? We are popping on a stream here. 2 00:00:16,120 --> 00:00:20,800 Just got the woe to Bob. Paul George is going to be declining his 3 00:00:20,920 --> 00:00:26,839 player option to test free agency. This essentially closes the door on any trade 4 00:00:26,839 --> 00:00:31,440 possibilities for the Clippers. We'll see what happens. I mean, really, 5 00:00:31,519 --> 00:00:35,280 there's only two scenarios. He either leaves for cap space or comes back on 6 00:00:35,560 --> 00:00:39,119 a deal that I'm assuming will be less than a max. Adam, where 7 00:00:39,159 --> 00:00:42,960 are you at with this? I mean, obviously I think that people, 8 00:00:43,079 --> 00:00:45,759 you know, if he was gonna go, you don't want him to go 9 00:00:45,840 --> 00:00:50,200 for nothing. Do you think the Do you think that threat of him leaving 10 00:00:50,240 --> 00:00:54,920 for nothing is enough for the Clippers to change their stance on where it appears 11 00:00:54,960 --> 00:01:00,799 that they've been with a MAX extension for Paul George. Yeah, I think 12 00:01:02,039 --> 00:01:07,519 you put it perfectly there. At this point, it's either Paul George is 13 00:01:07,560 --> 00:01:12,719 coming back for likely three years to match up a similar contract with Kawhi Leonard, 14 00:01:14,359 --> 00:01:19,120 or he's gone. And I think this says if there is a MAX 15 00:01:19,159 --> 00:01:25,599 out there for him, he's gone. Otherwise something would have been done by 16 00:01:25,680 --> 00:01:30,319 now. I think that's a pretty safe bet at this point, if he 17 00:01:30,400 --> 00:01:34,519 can get has the Clippers deal. It sounds like it's been on the table 18 00:01:34,560 --> 00:01:36,879 for a while. If he can get the max, if he can get 19 00:01:36,879 --> 00:01:42,159 something more than that, which would be four years to twelve with teams that 20 00:01:42,280 --> 00:01:46,239 have room, he could if the Clippers were offering, get four years, 21 00:01:46,239 --> 00:01:49,040 two hundred and twenty one million from them. As you do have the advantage 22 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:53,680 in the inside track with the team trying to retain him, he can make 23 00:01:53,719 --> 00:01:57,159 a little bit more. But this is it. We talked about it yesterday. 24 00:01:57,239 --> 00:02:00,840 Lucas Hand was in here with us. We did a live stream at 25 00:02:00,840 --> 00:02:07,280 around five. We now got Chuck moflerin. There is a lot more clarity 26 00:02:07,400 --> 00:02:13,439 now, Chuck, with what just happened with Paul George because as Will mentioned, 27 00:02:13,919 --> 00:02:16,120 that trade, that opting in trade scenario where he thought he was going 28 00:02:16,120 --> 00:02:21,360 to the Golden State Warriors, it's over. Yeah, I mean take the 29 00:02:21,400 --> 00:02:23,960 Warriors off and now who are we looking at? Right? It's the Magic 30 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:29,319 and the seventy six ers and that's it for people who can give him a 31 00:02:29,400 --> 00:02:35,840 max. How many could still create that room? I guess if they wanted 32 00:02:35,840 --> 00:02:42,879 to through free agency, through guys leaving, through guys being waived and other 33 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:47,400 teams that have players who ended up opting out in our free agents? Now, 34 00:02:47,439 --> 00:02:51,120 maybe well, are we talking to any team or are we talking likely 35 00:02:51,199 --> 00:02:54,199 teams? Because I would still be surprised. I would still be surprised if 36 00:02:54,199 --> 00:02:58,919 Paul George. I mean, we know that obviously Detroit is clearing a shit 37 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:02,719 ton of cap space right now with the music made today. I still like, 38 00:03:04,599 --> 00:03:07,400 if that was the only MAX out there, do you guys think he 39 00:03:07,400 --> 00:03:09,039 would take that? Because I don't really know about that, Like, is 40 00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:14,400 the money that important that he would go to Detroit to play out what is 41 00:03:14,439 --> 00:03:17,560 going to be the last like big contract of his career. I can't imagine 42 00:03:17,560 --> 00:03:23,080 that. I think that would be Paul George cares about his how he looks, 43 00:03:23,120 --> 00:03:25,319 I think, and which is totally fair him taking a MAX in Detroit. 44 00:03:25,800 --> 00:03:29,240 I don't think he would do that. I don't think he's like, 45 00:03:29,319 --> 00:03:34,319 in good conscience for himself, would take a MAX in Detroit because you're not 46 00:03:34,360 --> 00:03:38,599 winning anything. Do they play the close the right way like he's been talking 47 00:03:38,599 --> 00:03:42,919 about, do they play the right brand of basketball, which he had said 48 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:46,360 is his priority. This is also where I'm like, he has no idea 49 00:03:46,400 --> 00:03:49,520 what he wants, like if you wanted to stay on the West Coast, 50 00:03:49,560 --> 00:03:52,120 Like I said this yesterday, right, like, oh, he's gonna he 51 00:03:52,120 --> 00:03:54,719 wants to stay on the West Coast. No he doesn't. He can't be 52 00:03:54,800 --> 00:04:03,000 on the West Coast anymore. Well, it just apparent I think, yeah, 53 00:04:03,080 --> 00:04:05,719 No, the the West Coast is pretty much out. I mean in 54 00:04:05,800 --> 00:04:12,919 terms of like the West Coast is Marcellus Wallace ing Paul George. I mean, 55 00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:19,279 I think to get Lakers are already twenty two million, I believe over 56 00:04:19,360 --> 00:04:24,600 the cab. So I don't know how you get there and teams teams that 57 00:04:24,639 --> 00:04:27,480 can easily do it right now, right Like this isn't accounting for what other 58 00:04:27,480 --> 00:04:30,480 trades and stuff could happen in the next couple of days. You know, 59 00:04:30,639 --> 00:04:35,879 obviously right now, Philadelphia, Detroit, Orlando, Utah could all sign him 60 00:04:35,879 --> 00:04:42,279 outright, okay, see in San Antonio could probably sound like get him outright 61 00:04:42,319 --> 00:04:46,399 too. Charlotte with a couple of moves could get there. But that's kind 62 00:04:46,399 --> 00:04:51,519 of it. That's kind of it for like signing a full on Max So, 63 00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:55,199 I mean, okay, see, if he's interested in staying in the 64 00:04:55,240 --> 00:04:59,560 Western Conference would probably be the biggest threat to you know, to me, 65 00:04:59,800 --> 00:05:01,560 if if they were able to if they wanted to take him back, if 66 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:05,959 they were able to take him in, it gets kind of gets kind of 67 00:05:05,959 --> 00:05:09,480 weird with like the development of some of their other wings. But I could 68 00:05:09,519 --> 00:05:13,120 see it as a potential move. You know, I think, you know, 69 00:05:13,199 --> 00:05:17,879 Philly has been floated forever. Chris Haynes just said they are expected to 70 00:05:17,959 --> 00:05:24,399 aggressively pursue Paul George, and he's a legitimate threat. So they're a legitimate 71 00:05:24,399 --> 00:05:29,120 threat and luring away him from Los Angeles totally, and like the West Coast 72 00:05:29,120 --> 00:05:30,959 thing, I think that that was just something that he said, you know, 73 00:05:31,120 --> 00:05:33,920 like Paul George, it doesn't mean anything that he says. I really, 74 00:05:33,959 --> 00:05:38,920 I really truly have no idea. But remember that report that was out 75 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:43,240 there that said, oh Philadelphia is no longer interested, they're moving on. 76 00:05:43,879 --> 00:05:47,839 I never really bought into that. They didn't wait all this time. Well, 77 00:05:47,879 --> 00:05:50,680 you also don't want it to look like tampering, right, so you 78 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:55,000 know, you can't be like you've been very we've been very interested in Paul 79 00:05:55,040 --> 00:05:57,519 George. Like, if you want to do this stuff and you don't want 80 00:05:57,560 --> 00:06:02,519 to piss off twenty nine other gms, you wait until you wait until they 81 00:06:02,519 --> 00:06:08,639 decline the option. For those still wondering, well, what about that sign 82 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:13,800 and trade possibility? The constraints around that. I said this the other day. 83 00:06:13,839 --> 00:06:16,040 When you're above the second apron, and granted they could get below it 84 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:23,480 if Paul George leaves, the constraints are like an anaconda constricting you. It's 85 00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:28,680 so your margin for air. We talk about it when it comes to games 86 00:06:28,720 --> 00:06:31,639 all the time and talented teams, but your margin for air or just that 87 00:06:31,720 --> 00:06:35,160 window of opportunity to make a trade happen. That's a sign and trade in 88 00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:39,439 today's NBA. When you're a team above the luxury tax, above the first 89 00:06:39,439 --> 00:06:44,839 apron, above the second apron, it's so damn difficult. And by the 90 00:06:44,839 --> 00:06:48,959 way, why would Paul George do it at this point to take away assets 91 00:06:48,959 --> 00:06:54,240 from the team he's going to. If he's going to Philadelphia and they have 92 00:06:54,319 --> 00:06:57,600 the room, it would just be him try to do the Clippers a solid 93 00:06:57,639 --> 00:07:00,920 on the way out. Who apparently you know from what he said on the 94 00:07:00,959 --> 00:07:06,720 podcast and this was not this week's but the week before when I forget the 95 00:07:06,720 --> 00:07:13,639 guy next to him, one of his co hosts, they said, should 96 00:07:13,680 --> 00:07:21,600 I continue being no, they said it was Jackie who said because he came 97 00:07:21,680 --> 00:07:26,360 across the aisle to the Clippers this season and starting to root for them when 98 00:07:26,360 --> 00:07:28,920 they got James Harder and everything, he bought all in. He's been a 99 00:07:28,920 --> 00:07:32,160 lifelong Laker fan, but he's Paul George's best friend, and this year he 100 00:07:32,240 --> 00:07:35,800 declared that he's going to be a Clippers fan. He said on the podcast, 101 00:07:35,959 --> 00:07:43,639 should I continue to be a Clippers fan? Basically implying what are you 102 00:07:43,800 --> 00:07:46,600 doing? He was trying to get it out of Paul George, and George 103 00:07:46,639 --> 00:07:50,920 hesitated, was like, I don't know, and he had a really tough 104 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:56,160 time with that question, and it just made me think maybe the relationship is 105 00:07:56,199 --> 00:08:01,600 a little trained. I think he's pretty direct a lot of the time on 106 00:08:01,639 --> 00:08:05,319 the podcast, but I think there's a real chance the schism has been there 107 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:09,199 for some time to get to this point when you were extension eligible at the 108 00:08:09,199 --> 00:08:13,560 start of last season. Yeah. Absolutely, We've seen the timeline from Cholmeyer 109 00:08:13,560 --> 00:08:18,360 about remember how it went from like he was optimistic or Paul Drow was optimistic, 110 00:08:18,519 --> 00:08:22,199 and then the questions came a little later in the season and he was 111 00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:24,720 like, we're working on it, and then he just stopped answering those questions 112 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:28,720 about the contracts, So like, I think that was a little bit mutual 113 00:08:28,759 --> 00:08:33,960 though, Like I do think discussions stopped and they opted to focus more on 114 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:35,840 the rest of the season and the playoffs and then and then they could kind 115 00:08:35,879 --> 00:08:39,919 of resume that in those conversations, which I think also makes sense. So 116 00:08:41,240 --> 00:08:46,200 the thing now I guess is like, does he go to those Sixers? 117 00:08:46,279 --> 00:08:50,279 How are we feeling if the Sixers offer him a max for four years? 118 00:08:50,320 --> 00:08:52,360 There's no question in my mind he goes there because the Clippers haven't offered him 119 00:08:52,399 --> 00:08:56,279 that. If you haven't been following, it hasn't been there, or he'd 120 00:08:56,279 --> 00:09:03,759 be a Clipper. Would any of this now that it's likely the Clippers would 121 00:09:03,799 --> 00:09:07,159 be losing him for nothing, does that put their feet to the file fire 122 00:09:07,279 --> 00:09:13,320 or put them over a barrel to have to increase the price, because that's 123 00:09:15,759 --> 00:09:18,559 did you see the lawsuite? Just now hold it up on the screen. 124 00:09:18,960 --> 00:09:22,600 Oh fuck, I forgot. We can do that all right? One secon 125 00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:26,039 I'm in the middle of moving, which is why I'm disheveled. I was 126 00:09:26,080 --> 00:09:30,600 just trapped in an elevator, So apologies for my trapped in an Elevator Energy, 127 00:09:30,720 --> 00:09:35,440 did Keanu Reeves and Jeff Daniels, No, No one did. Yeah, 128 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:39,240 so, La Murray said. Sources close to George is not optimistic that 129 00:09:39,279 --> 00:09:43,919 he wants to return to the Clippers. He has a legitimate walk threat. 130 00:09:43,120 --> 00:09:48,279 Stay tuned. I think he's gone. I think the seventy six ers are 131 00:09:48,320 --> 00:09:52,200 going to offer him if if not the max, they're going to offer him 132 00:09:52,279 --> 00:10:00,720 you know at two yeah, yeah, and he's going to be gone. 133 00:10:00,759 --> 00:10:03,399 I think where based on this information, so you think you think three, 134 00:10:03,519 --> 00:10:07,840 you think three for one to eighty gets it done, where whereas three from 135 00:10:07,879 --> 00:10:11,159 one to fifty was clearly not going to get it done. Yes, damn. 136 00:10:13,600 --> 00:10:15,960 I don't know about the exact figures, but I think if they offer 137 00:10:16,039 --> 00:10:20,559 more, he goes thirty million more dollars to play for a place that has 138 00:10:20,639 --> 00:10:24,360 Joe l Embiid and is also going to be going for a championship this season 139 00:10:24,399 --> 00:10:28,360 outside of him staying home. I don't know if home is enough to bridge 140 00:10:28,399 --> 00:10:33,000 the gap of thirty million. I don't think the home thing is It's like 141 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:35,799 the West Coast thing, right like that obviously wasn't He doesn't get he doesn't 142 00:10:35,799 --> 00:10:39,879 care about all, yeah, which is fine, But like I think, 143 00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:41,360 yeah, I don't know. I think it means something to have his parents 144 00:10:41,360 --> 00:10:46,960 at every game and everything. I do think that's something fifty million dollars a 145 00:10:48,039 --> 00:10:50,799 year. They can be at every game no matter where he was, of 146 00:10:50,840 --> 00:10:54,559 course, but I just say it's easier for them. He's absolutely his model, 147 00:10:54,720 --> 00:10:58,519 I believe is disabled. Yeah, yeah, thirty million more dollars and 148 00:10:58,559 --> 00:11:03,480 you just had the experience of playing at home for five years, So it's 149 00:11:03,480 --> 00:11:05,559 not like he'd get that in his career. He may have gotten it out 150 00:11:05,559 --> 00:11:09,720 of his system and now he can go to what some might believe is a 151 00:11:09,720 --> 00:11:16,600 better situation at the moment. Yeah, I mean, it's not like JOELMB 152 00:11:16,759 --> 00:11:22,200 doesn't have his own injury concerns. But Tyrese Maxi is a young up and 153 00:11:22,279 --> 00:11:26,120 coming star in this league that just dropped fifty in a playoff game, right, 154 00:11:28,960 --> 00:11:31,000 And while this is like the worst possible outcome for Clippers fans, and 155 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:33,399 I know I have been ranking on Paul George just because I'm kind of sick 156 00:11:33,440 --> 00:11:39,679 of him in general, it makes the most sense from his perspective to not 157 00:11:39,759 --> 00:11:43,559 opt into one year, even if it would get him to a West Coast 158 00:11:43,559 --> 00:11:48,440 team. Or another contender and be really helping out the team that he's leaving. 159 00:11:48,200 --> 00:11:50,759 Why would you put that big of a why would you put that big 160 00:11:50,799 --> 00:11:56,399 of a gamble on the last big year, like the last big contract you're 161 00:11:56,440 --> 00:11:58,759 ever going to get. If something happens in that one year deal, like 162 00:12:00,480 --> 00:12:03,559 it's gone man, like that, that four year max is off the table, 163 00:12:03,600 --> 00:12:05,759 there's no like, there's no chance. And maybe they could have worked 164 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:11,399 Maybe they could have worked something out in like a you know, a handshake 165 00:12:11,480 --> 00:12:13,559 deal if he was traded to Golden State, where they would be like, 166 00:12:13,559 --> 00:12:18,919 we're definitely going to extend you for the max. But given like the hardened 167 00:12:18,960 --> 00:12:20,799 situations and stuff, I think if you're a player, you've got to be 168 00:12:20,840 --> 00:12:24,720 weary of that, especially if you're already thirty four years old. Unless they 169 00:12:24,759 --> 00:12:28,960 have some sub cost fallacy concerns here, because they gave up so much to 170 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:33,559 get Paul George, which got them Kawhi Leonard in twenty nineteen. But I 171 00:12:33,600 --> 00:12:39,639 don't see a scenario. Yeah, I don't see a scenario where they're giving 172 00:12:39,759 --> 00:12:43,600 him the max at this point. I think we should address that too, 173 00:12:43,799 --> 00:12:46,519 because I think, like, while there was a lot of smoke around Golden 174 00:12:46,519 --> 00:12:50,799 State, and I do think that it made sense as soon as we saw 175 00:12:50,840 --> 00:12:52,879 the report of what they were looking for from the Nuggets, and maybe that 176 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:56,120 was a little bit of a put them over the barrel because they are a 177 00:12:56,159 --> 00:13:01,320 competitor in the Western Conference and already a very strong team. The likelihood of 178 00:13:01,320 --> 00:13:05,279 a Paul George trade happening, I think was very very low. Obviously, 179 00:13:05,519 --> 00:13:09,240 just that asking price takes a lot of teams out of the entire equation. 180 00:13:09,639 --> 00:13:13,799 But you're looking at multiple first plus strong rotation players for a guy who does 181 00:13:13,919 --> 00:13:18,159 only have a year left, you know, like that that that thing kind 182 00:13:18,159 --> 00:13:20,559 of cuts both ways. Like expiring money is good for some teams, but 183 00:13:20,600 --> 00:13:24,879 for a person that you want to be a key rotation player that's looking to 184 00:13:24,919 --> 00:13:28,679 make max style money, that's not that's not as great for you. But 185 00:13:28,759 --> 00:13:35,440 would you face the possibility now of losing him for nothing rather than getting something 186 00:13:35,519 --> 00:13:37,360 back, even if it was less than what you wanted. Well, the 187 00:13:37,360 --> 00:13:41,440 answer is already yes, So yes, But I mean, were the demands 188 00:13:41,519 --> 00:13:45,360 too high in this case, That's what I'm saying the demand. I think 189 00:13:45,360 --> 00:13:50,759 the demands were too high, So you're saying they mismanage the trade possibility. 190 00:13:52,960 --> 00:13:56,639 I think they played hardball for sure, and I think that PG was willing 191 00:13:56,679 --> 00:14:00,879 to also play hardball and just say I'm out, which I wouldn't I wasn't 192 00:14:00,919 --> 00:14:05,399 fully expecting. But it was a staring contest, and I guess the Clippers 193 00:14:05,440 --> 00:14:11,879 must have blinked first or something like. This is what PG wanted. It 194 00:14:11,480 --> 00:14:18,919 tells you right now, you know this partnership that's been going on for a 195 00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:24,240 long time. They brought in so many guys to appease Paul George that he 196 00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:30,320 wanted. They bended over backwards and have as everybody does for their superstars in 197 00:14:30,399 --> 00:14:33,759 this league gets a player empowerment league, gets a star driven league, you 198 00:14:33,840 --> 00:14:37,399 have to do that. The Stars are a franchised unto themselves in many ways. 199 00:14:39,960 --> 00:14:46,840 Maybe that played a role here, like we did everything you asked us 200 00:14:46,879 --> 00:14:52,279 too, and in that playoff series he averaged nineteen points when they didn't have 201 00:14:52,320 --> 00:14:56,120 Paul George, and the frustration, yes of not having Paul George or excues 202 00:14:56,159 --> 00:15:01,879 me. Not having Kawhi Leonard again is almost a side note to me. 203 00:15:03,200 --> 00:15:07,320 I understand that's the reality of it and may have played some factor. Here 204 00:15:07,360 --> 00:15:11,759 we go again, But Paul George being paid as a superstar, has to 205 00:15:11,799 --> 00:15:16,159 put up more than fifteen shots per game in that series, regardless of if 206 00:15:16,200 --> 00:15:20,360 Kawhy is there or not. And that's kind of why I think that even 207 00:15:20,519 --> 00:15:24,679 given the possibility of him walking for nothing, I think to me, the 208 00:15:24,759 --> 00:15:28,720 least likely scenario is the Clippers cape and end up offering him the max. 209 00:15:30,200 --> 00:15:35,960 Yeah. That was never gonna Yeah, that was never gonna happen. This 210 00:15:35,039 --> 00:15:39,399 is an interesting point by Jeffrey Beltran that I think some other people thought too, 211 00:15:39,559 --> 00:15:41,240 as once Westbrook opted in, he was going to too. Thought they 212 00:15:41,240 --> 00:15:46,960 were leaving together to the same team. I guess not anymore. Russ seems 213 00:15:46,440 --> 00:15:50,240 as of right now still on the team. But I don't know about that. 214 00:15:50,440 --> 00:15:54,600 Someone asked, do we think this change is Harden's trajectory? No, 215 00:15:56,120 --> 00:15:58,759 you think he's back. Everyone's been saying he's been back. There's no way 216 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:03,600 going to offer him whatever it takes to stay. After you just gave up 217 00:16:03,639 --> 00:16:07,679 one of your last two picks in the first round the twenty twenty eight, 218 00:16:07,759 --> 00:16:11,559 they have the twenty thirty six to get him. Just a year ago, 219 00:16:11,759 --> 00:16:15,600 and he played really well for them and provided the best regular season stretch. 220 00:16:17,440 --> 00:16:22,120 Was a workhorse provided the best regular season stretcher. It was a huge part 221 00:16:22,159 --> 00:16:25,120 of them going twenty six and five in the history of the franchise. It 222 00:16:25,159 --> 00:16:27,600 was great in the first round or their best player at least three for one 223 00:16:27,720 --> 00:16:30,519 fifty. I think James Harden's coming back or three for one twenty. I 224 00:16:30,519 --> 00:16:34,480 think he's for sure coming back, and he doesn't want to go back to 225 00:16:34,480 --> 00:16:40,080 Philly, right, And let's not act like it sounded like. It didn't 226 00:16:40,080 --> 00:16:47,519 sound like Paul George was intimating that that style of basketball with James Harden wasn't 227 00:16:47,559 --> 00:16:51,080 his thing. I don't know why it wouldn't be when you got to play 228 00:16:51,200 --> 00:16:55,679 off ball and be hyper efficient like that and be Michael Porter Junior on steroids 229 00:16:55,759 --> 00:16:59,200 and you were winning. I understand they went through a couple of months where 230 00:16:59,200 --> 00:17:03,039 they were about a five hund team. Also coincided with the fact that Paul 231 00:17:03,080 --> 00:17:06,599 George didn't look like himself those two months and looked to be playing through injury. 232 00:17:07,200 --> 00:17:11,680 Maybe. And I alluded to this at the time because it's a contract 233 00:17:11,799 --> 00:17:15,440 year, he knew he had to play through all this stuff. He had 234 00:17:15,440 --> 00:17:18,720 a knee issue, he had a groin issue, he was going to play 235 00:17:18,720 --> 00:17:21,559 through it, and he came out of it and looked great and had the 236 00:17:21,599 --> 00:17:25,119 game winner over Jonathan Isaac at the end of the regular season in Orlando. 237 00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:30,839 But I think all that stuff, you know, has led us to this 238 00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:33,799 point. It's just a multitude of factors throughout this season that has got us 239 00:17:33,799 --> 00:17:44,200 here. Yeah, it's I don't know, it's weird. It's a weird 240 00:17:44,319 --> 00:17:47,599 ending. It feels like a very slow burn to the end of the two 241 00:17:47,599 --> 00:17:53,519 and three era. So what's the upshot if he leaves for nothing regarding maneuvering 242 00:17:55,039 --> 00:18:00,039 and what they'd have to play with now being under the second apron. So 243 00:18:00,119 --> 00:18:03,880 if PG goes this is per lucas hand. If PG goes to the Sixers, 244 00:18:04,119 --> 00:18:08,599 Clippers could have the opportunity to use the full non taxpayer mid level exception 245 00:18:10,079 --> 00:18:15,319 and toe the line of the first apron hard cap. So I mean more 246 00:18:15,400 --> 00:18:18,200 maneuvers for sure, more maneuvers to be had for sure. Is that going 247 00:18:18,279 --> 00:18:25,720 to be like, that's the taxpayer mid level, non non taxpayer mid level, 248 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:30,400 So that's like what thirteen ish something like that. Yeah, it's hard 249 00:18:30,440 --> 00:18:33,960 for me to tell what the cap going on, but it's got to be 250 00:18:33,000 --> 00:18:37,640 like it's like in the thirteen to fifteen range. Yeah, but if the 251 00:18:37,680 --> 00:18:41,079 son's got Royce O'Neill for like eleven MILLI year, I mean that's a solid, 252 00:18:41,599 --> 00:18:47,039 very very solid role player. That's Isaiah Hartenstein. Yeah, from what 253 00:18:47,119 --> 00:18:52,400 I'm seeing, it's Isaiah Hartenstein from what I'm seeing. Will You're dead on 254 00:18:52,599 --> 00:18:57,400 thirteen million, cap head if you have any cap questions, tweet at William 255 00:18:57,720 --> 00:19:06,480 at will uptick Oh asked Lucas suck it, Bobby Marks. Yeah, so 256 00:19:06,559 --> 00:19:15,680 we're kind of in the death whales of two one three kind of. We've 257 00:19:15,720 --> 00:19:21,880 talked about this a lot for them to have success coming into this season, 258 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:23,920 even if Paul George was there, we still all felt like one of the 259 00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:30,240 young guys has to pop and have a breakout year. Bones, Kobe Brown, 260 00:19:30,599 --> 00:19:37,319 Kai Jones, now, Jordan Miller, Brandon Boston's gone it. Somebody 261 00:19:37,680 --> 00:19:48,519 has Now it's even more critical for that to happen, which goes back to 262 00:19:48,599 --> 00:19:55,720 Russell Westbrook opting in how is Bones getting playing time still? If they're gonna 263 00:19:55,759 --> 00:19:59,440 have Russ and James Harden, do you believe Russell Westbrook is going to be 264 00:20:00,079 --> 00:20:03,160 I hope, I still hope that maybe this is part of a move, 265 00:20:03,400 --> 00:20:07,640 Like I think that losing Paul George and keeping Russ is probably the doomsday worst 266 00:20:07,680 --> 00:20:14,279 case scenario for me. Yeah. Did we talk about the Spurs maybe signing 267 00:20:14,319 --> 00:20:18,519 PG. Yeah, I mean I said that they could sign him. I 268 00:20:18,519 --> 00:20:21,839 said that they have the cap space. Could be interesting. I don't think 269 00:20:21,880 --> 00:20:26,640 they would because timeline wise, it still doesn't make them a contender with Philadelphia 270 00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:30,519 could put them over the top with you don't have to give like, I 271 00:20:30,559 --> 00:20:33,519 mean they they they offer a meeting for sure. If you don't have to 272 00:20:33,559 --> 00:20:37,880 give up any assets, why would you not? You know what I mean? 273 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:40,640 They have the cap space. If it doesn't work, If it doesn't 274 00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:45,200 work out, I mean you can you can flip him or you know, 275 00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:48,039 Wimby will Sill be in the prime of his career once that contract is off 276 00:20:48,079 --> 00:20:52,640 the books. George said he doesn't feel like pg's leaving, which that doesn't 277 00:20:52,640 --> 00:20:57,839 make any sense to me. But like unless like unless he's changed his stance 278 00:20:57,880 --> 00:21:03,880 on on max Max money. I don't know the only way too, he 279 00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:07,160 was willing to take less though. It just I don't think it would have 280 00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:10,480 come down to the wire like this. I don't see any reason why he 281 00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:14,720 would have you know, yeah, why would you prolong the inevitable. Right. 282 00:21:15,279 --> 00:21:19,920 The only way I could see him not leaving is if Philadelphia now plays 283 00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:23,119 hardball and says, well, we don't have to give him the max, 284 00:21:23,279 --> 00:21:27,559 like nobody else is actually going to do it, and worthy only on was 285 00:21:27,680 --> 00:21:32,680 that he thinks are gonna do it. Maybe we just give him what the 286 00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:36,759 Clippers were offering, because we think he's so scorned by that situation. We 287 00:21:36,799 --> 00:21:40,440 can get him for one fifty now, and then Paul George says he we'll 288 00:21:40,480 --> 00:21:44,319 forget that. If he walks to Philly for three for one fifty, Paul 289 00:21:44,319 --> 00:21:47,680 George can go to Hell. I would I don't have a Paul George Jersey, 290 00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:52,119 but I would burn it. That's Lebron leaving the Cavs in ten. 291 00:21:53,599 --> 00:22:00,079 You're gonna take the same amount of I hope you get hit with the battery 292 00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:03,799 if you took If he took the same amount of money, dude, people 293 00:22:03,799 --> 00:22:07,359 would be furious at PG. And he'll he'll announce it on his pod. 294 00:22:07,599 --> 00:22:11,799 We'll know about it. What he does his podcast episode to announce very signing 295 00:22:12,799 --> 00:22:17,960 the decision, the decision, Yeah, the decision point one, oh, 296 00:22:18,079 --> 00:22:26,400 the indecision zero zero five. Yeah, man, this is Uh, I'd 297 00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:29,720 just like to say I don't sign off on what Will said. It's not 298 00:22:29,839 --> 00:22:37,400 because of the police sirens. Oh yeah, I gotta be it. Sorry, 299 00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:40,440 it's all right, Chuck, We're good. Oh good. Somebody in 300 00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:42,160 the comments says they have to Paul George jerseys. So if we get that 301 00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:45,000 three for one fifty, I'll have one to burn, thank you. George 302 00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:48,240 will has A has the Drew League cal Or Hannah has the Drew League. 303 00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:52,039 Paul George jersey, which is too nice of a jersey she likes. I'm 304 00:22:52,079 --> 00:22:57,640 not gonna she likes. She likes George. I for one, regardless, 305 00:22:57,799 --> 00:23:02,519 well not regardless, to see how it plays out, but most likely I 306 00:23:02,559 --> 00:23:06,480 will still be a fan of PG thirteen. He helped get them to the 307 00:23:07,039 --> 00:23:11,400 further place than they had ever been before. Everyone was piling on after what 308 00:23:11,519 --> 00:23:14,759 happened in the bubble and saying, oh, Kawhi is out. Well this 309 00:23:14,839 --> 00:23:17,440 is done. They're taking on the Utah Jazz, the number one seed, 310 00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:21,759 and they're about to go to Utah for Game five and playoff. Pete is 311 00:23:21,759 --> 00:23:25,440 gonna choke. And then he had the best playoff game of his life. 312 00:23:25,759 --> 00:23:29,359 And while you can point to Terrence Man in the thirty nine points he had 313 00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:33,240 in Game six. I think Paul George has something like thirty two. And 314 00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:37,400 they're all loading up to stop Paul George, which is why Terrence Band got 315 00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:40,519 so many wide open shots like that. He did a lot of great things 316 00:23:40,519 --> 00:23:42,240 like no one can. I mean, there were some great highs with Paul 317 00:23:42,279 --> 00:23:48,279 George was there were some good stuff and then at the end it became messy 318 00:23:48,319 --> 00:23:52,440 and gross unfortunately, which would be even messier and grosser if he went to 319 00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:59,480 Philadelphia for three for one fifty. I'm sorry I brought up that possibility. 320 00:24:00,759 --> 00:24:03,119 What the hell, man, I was just stuck in the elevator, and 321 00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:10,200 I gotta think about that. What are their taxes compared to California? Is 322 00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:15,440 he is he looking at that situation or he was worried about caility? He 323 00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:22,119 should sign out right in Orlando. That is the best banker is But I 324 00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:27,160 do that fit for them is perfect. That's exactly He's exactly what they need 325 00:24:27,599 --> 00:24:32,519 to take that next step after losing in that Game seven to the Cavs in 326 00:24:32,559 --> 00:24:37,960 the first round, they just do not have enough scoring whatsoever. We got 327 00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:44,400 pat pat for this guy just for him to walk Carlos guys for this guy. 328 00:24:44,599 --> 00:24:47,480 Someone's asking why you hate Russ so much? In the right situation. 329 00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:53,480 He's not in the right situation, so he's not great different situations. Let's 330 00:24:53,480 --> 00:25:03,559 see. Let's see he was bottom five in percentage of rim attacks and bottom 331 00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:11,799 five in three pointers in three point efficiency. What no one hates Russ? 332 00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:17,839 I'm just asking what exactly does he thrive at at the age of thirty five 333 00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:22,079 and thirty six. He's a much older player than he was. You're gonna 334 00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:26,680 say energy. I'm gonna say execution is much more important than that, and 335 00:25:26,759 --> 00:25:32,559 I think Bones Highland somebody. Young guys have to get shots. For this 336 00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:37,039 Clipper season to be a success. They need young guys to step up and 337 00:25:37,079 --> 00:25:40,640 to do that, they have to get an opportunity. The only way for 338 00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:44,640 that to happen is some of these bets clear the way. Obviously more minutes 339 00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:49,279 now if Paul George is out, but somebody else also has to find a 340 00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:52,559 role on this team. That's a younger guy that can play eighty games. 341 00:25:53,880 --> 00:26:00,319 Yes, I absolutely agree. Now some questions are popping up. I'm gonna 342 00:26:00,319 --> 00:26:03,599 ask, did the did okay see you win the trade? They already did 343 00:26:03,599 --> 00:26:07,799 but this like that that happened. You still they essentially like won the trade 344 00:26:07,839 --> 00:26:11,119 in twenty twenty one when Kawhi got injured like it it doesn't really even have 345 00:26:11,279 --> 00:26:15,119 as much to do with Paul George as like the injury history and you know, 346 00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:18,599 no way to foresee that really well, and that will be the line 347 00:26:18,599 --> 00:26:22,680 of demarcation should Paul George leave in the two one three era to be over, 348 00:26:22,519 --> 00:26:26,079 it will be looked back upon into history as ending. Really at that 349 00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:33,000 point that's what changed everything, unfortunately for the Clippers. Do we think the 350 00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:37,319 FO thinks Kawhi is tradable now? I think Kawhi is hanging out. I 351 00:26:37,319 --> 00:26:40,279 don't know if I think that is one hundred percent up to him and his 352 00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:44,519 timeline is what the front office is going to do. Why do you think 353 00:26:44,599 --> 00:26:49,160 Kawhi reacts to this? I think he's not Paul. I think he looks 354 00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:53,880 at his phone and goes and then it's back to business. I think he's 355 00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:57,079 known. I mean, you know it can have been it can't have been 356 00:26:57,119 --> 00:27:00,640 that secret with like how long he's these trade discussions are going on, and 357 00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:04,160 if you know, the clear line in the sand is I want four for 358 00:27:04,279 --> 00:27:10,720 two twenty or whatever it is, then you know the outcome, I guess 359 00:27:10,759 --> 00:27:17,119 is pretty obvious. I think they've acquiesced to the stars from day walls as 360 00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:19,960 much as you can. Yes, I think anything could be on the table 361 00:27:22,279 --> 00:27:27,359 because it's still dependent on Kawhi Leonard being able to hold up, which just 362 00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:32,119 hasn't happened over the last four seasons. Now you can make the argument, 363 00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:37,880 then what are you getting for him? If somebody inquired or if the Clippers 364 00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:41,599 made him available, because they're going to look at this as the start of 365 00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:52,160 a teardown of Paul George Leaves if I don't know, but it's just things 366 00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:56,240 have gone. You know the old meme. You're probably wondering how I ended 367 00:27:56,319 --> 00:28:03,519 up here. That's where are at right now. Unfortunately, if it wasn't 368 00:28:03,519 --> 00:28:07,920 for bad luck, the Clippers would have none at all. It feels like 369 00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:11,440 at the moment with how this era has gone, and I don't blame them 370 00:28:11,519 --> 00:28:18,000 one bit because every GM and the history of basketball would have made the exact 371 00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:25,759 same move. Everybody. The ceiling for SGA at that time, the unanimous 372 00:28:25,759 --> 00:28:32,839 ceiling was all star, not top three MVP candidate. It wasn't close to 373 00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:37,559 that. Credit to him. The guy has worked his ass off and that's 374 00:28:37,559 --> 00:28:45,720 what he became this season. Waved waived eight million in Moogner's contract, so 375 00:28:47,119 --> 00:28:48,519 that could be I don't want to read the tea leaves too much, but 376 00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:52,480 that could be an indication that they're looking to create some even more cap space 377 00:28:52,519 --> 00:28:59,720 to perhaps add some some further debt after Paul George signing. Good fit for 378 00:29:00,799 --> 00:29:03,319 Orlando as well. Paul George can go there and they're a bigger team. 379 00:29:03,359 --> 00:29:07,039 He doesn't have to do as much physicality because they have young guys doing that 380 00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:12,119 for Paul George, that's a good fit he hadn't Ben Carrol. Yeah, 381 00:29:12,319 --> 00:29:18,240 they'd be a threat to be I don't know a four or five, which 382 00:29:18,279 --> 00:29:22,680 is where they were. I think this year they ended up because the East 383 00:29:22,799 --> 00:29:26,039 is this is the best on paper the East has looked since nineteen ninety eight 384 00:29:26,079 --> 00:29:29,039 when Michael Jordan was still in the way. I think they could get to 385 00:29:29,079 --> 00:29:33,160 three if things broke their way. Yeah, I agree with you. They 386 00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:41,079 still have guys who are getting better, young players who are ascending. We 387 00:29:41,119 --> 00:29:45,279 have people in the chat kind of talking about like are the Clippers gonna like 388 00:29:45,359 --> 00:29:48,519 scrap the roster and try and get what they can. The roster is not 389 00:29:48,839 --> 00:29:52,880 like scrappable, Like there's not guys on this team that people are breaking down 390 00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:56,799 the door to trade for. We saw it in the playoffs. This team 391 00:29:56,880 --> 00:30:03,559 had six playoff rotate like off able guys. You know, you got the 392 00:30:03,559 --> 00:30:07,680 starting five and you have norm and like you know, a mirrors maybe on 393 00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:10,920 the list. Obviously PJ Tucker wasn't good enough, Like this isn't a roster 394 00:30:11,039 --> 00:30:14,480 that's like, oh, we don't have Paul George anymore, Let's make some 395 00:30:14,559 --> 00:30:18,039 moves and like and really bring someone in. Like it's not a very good 396 00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:23,599 roster on the whole. I mean, honestly open to do that. Honestly. 397 00:30:25,519 --> 00:30:30,440 The non taxpayer mid like mid level exemption is a good is a good 398 00:30:30,519 --> 00:30:33,599 start, absolutely, And then yeah, I mean I agree with you one 399 00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:37,359 hundred percent, Charls, like you don't you don't have the wealth of assets 400 00:30:37,359 --> 00:30:41,319 that you once did in terms of players, and I don't Roco and the 401 00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:45,480 Tomb and like all these yeah, so like really, really what the Clippers 402 00:30:45,519 --> 00:30:52,200 are looking at is is shedding additional salary and hoping to get free agents, 403 00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:55,759 which I still do think with the new arena and everything, it is unattractive 404 00:30:55,839 --> 00:30:59,319 enough place. Wow, what about that too? I mean, does Bomber 405 00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:03,720 step in and say that we're willing to go for like we're willing to go 406 00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:07,079 max with the arena opening, Like, does that change? Does that change 407 00:31:07,119 --> 00:31:12,240 anything? If now the options are gone for nothing or returns on a deal 408 00:31:12,279 --> 00:31:18,079 that is more favorable to Paul George versus more favorable to the team. That's 409 00:31:18,079 --> 00:31:23,400 interesting it It could if they feel that level of desperation to keep this group 410 00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:29,400 together, if they feel that the twenty six and five run was more representative 411 00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:33,559 than what we saw the couple months after that, and they feel that Kawhi 412 00:31:33,319 --> 00:31:37,079 is going to be healthy again. Well that's the other thing too, is 413 00:31:37,119 --> 00:31:42,000 like Kawhi is part of this thing, like for for better and for worse. 414 00:31:42,039 --> 00:31:45,480 I mean, in terms of for Paul George, it definitely took away 415 00:31:45,519 --> 00:31:49,640 his leverage when Paul when Uh Kawhi signed his deal. But also, I 416 00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:53,400 mean you're hesitant to give pg A Max. I mean, yes, his 417 00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:57,960 performance has had issues, it's also had really great highs, but you just 418 00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:01,200 can't afford to pay him to a guy if the other star, if you're 419 00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:04,920 not sure that the other star is going to be around and that. I 420 00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:07,640 mean, that's a tough break for both players, but like it does make 421 00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:15,119 pg's uh situation a little bit more difficult in terms of having negotiating negotiation leverage. 422 00:32:15,319 --> 00:32:20,039 I want to talk about Vince Cunningham real quick. We brought it up 423 00:32:20,039 --> 00:32:23,279 at the beginning. This guy's a fucking idiot. He's not. The Clippers 424 00:32:23,279 --> 00:32:29,160 aren't giving him a max. Vince, do your research, you absolute jackass. 425 00:32:29,279 --> 00:32:32,279 The table hasn't the offer hasn't been on the table. Why are we 426 00:32:32,359 --> 00:32:37,000 pretending like the Clippers are just gonna give him a max? Now they haven't 427 00:32:37,039 --> 00:32:39,119 been. If they If the Clippers do give him a max, then the 428 00:32:39,119 --> 00:32:43,440 front office has some serious questions. It needs to look in the mirror because 429 00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:49,319 that would be absolutely crazy. Will's point was, it's not about the front 430 00:32:49,359 --> 00:32:53,440 office then at that point, it's about ownership gooting to make sure that they 431 00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:59,759 have an elite competitive team going into next season with championship expectations that into it. 432 00:32:59,799 --> 00:33:05,319 Don't But I think Balmer in the front office are so tight. My 433 00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:10,440 guess, just reading tea leaves is like everyone's reading tea leaves today. For 434 00:33:10,519 --> 00:33:15,799 it to get here, they already have a plan, They're not going to 435 00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:20,319 all of a sudden overreact. They knew this could happen. They're not all 436 00:33:20,319 --> 00:33:23,720 of a sudden going to overcompensate and go back to well, we didn't know 437 00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:29,359 Paul George could actually just leave and we can lose him for nothing, and 438 00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:32,079 they're gonna play and give him the max all of a sudden he could opt 439 00:33:32,119 --> 00:33:36,920 out. The just they're freaking out. I mean, you know it was. 440 00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:39,079 It was a gamble and a risk that they were clearly willing to take. 441 00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:43,759 Like that. They could lose and lose lose, I mean like that, 442 00:33:43,759 --> 00:33:46,359 that's it. They could. They could get absolutely nothing back and lose 443 00:33:46,359 --> 00:33:51,240 a player of Paul George's caliber. We said it yesterday. We all believe 444 00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:55,119 they would rather lose him for nothing than give him the MAX. We all 445 00:33:55,119 --> 00:34:00,680 believed that yesterday, and it may be playing out just like that. Lucas 446 00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:07,480 believed it too. Lucas believed it too. But to your point on the 447 00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:14,679 non taxpayer mid level exception, the one thing you could get with that is 448 00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:20,239 what they did I believe with Nicholas Batoum, which is you give guy a 449 00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:23,360 lesser contract and I think he got the veter minimum, but you give guy 450 00:34:23,559 --> 00:34:30,360 the lesser deal that's worth more than thirteen million, but with the understanding that 451 00:34:30,519 --> 00:34:34,880 then we'll get your bird rights, then we'll sign you to the long term 452 00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:39,960 deal afterwards. There is that carot to dangle with guys. If they want 453 00:34:40,039 --> 00:34:44,559 to be a Clipper, if they want to come here, obviously there has 454 00:34:44,599 --> 00:34:49,800 to be something favorable you're selling on with them on to get them for thirteen 455 00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:54,440 million, to get them under what their real true value would be on the 456 00:34:54,480 --> 00:35:02,760 market. I throw it out there. No, you're not You're not wrong. 457 00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:05,840 I think that, I mean, and they're gonna figure something out. 458 00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:07,400 There's a lot of people in the chat upset at the front office, and 459 00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:12,639 I don't know what to tell you. I don't know. They should have 460 00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:15,199 known Kawhi was gonna miss two hundred and twenty two games when he became a 461 00:35:15,199 --> 00:35:17,559 Clipper, and Paul George with miss one undred and thirty. They should have 462 00:35:17,599 --> 00:35:21,760 known. Everybody. I mean, everybody said it when they brought him in 463 00:35:21,679 --> 00:35:23,559 in twenty nineteen that that's what was going to happen, right, I mean, 464 00:35:23,599 --> 00:35:25,800 it was obvious. All the people in our comments, they were all 465 00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:29,880 saying it. Then everybody on Twitter was saying it then, like what are 466 00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:32,039 you guys doing? These guys are going to be injured half the time. 467 00:35:32,679 --> 00:35:36,400 Oh wait, no one said that. A lot of people say he's going 468 00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:39,039 to the next I have to I'm being called back into moving action, so 469 00:35:39,079 --> 00:35:45,480 I have to pop out. But keep going, and everyone keep listening to 470 00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:47,719 these guys because they're very smart. The Knicks. Yeah, what do we 471 00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:51,679 uh? How do we want to wrap this up? Time? What do 472 00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:54,719 you what do you want to dig into now? Uh? I guess most 473 00:35:54,840 --> 00:36:01,079 likely scenario at this point, just given what occurred and transpired now today, 474 00:36:02,199 --> 00:36:07,239 What do you think happens with the Clippers and Paul George? Is it for 475 00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:10,800 sure? Over? Where does he go? In your mind? I would 476 00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:16,760 say more likely than not. It's it's over with him going to the I 477 00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:21,360 just think he ends up going. I think he does end up going to 478 00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:24,159 the Eastern Conference. I think Philly makes the most sense, given like the 479 00:36:24,199 --> 00:36:28,440 age of their roster and stars. Obviously Max is kind of on a different 480 00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:30,679 timeline, but it makes a little bit more sense. I like the fit 481 00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:36,440 in Orlando. I think that would be good. I don't know if he 482 00:36:36,519 --> 00:36:37,559 I don't know if he would do that one, but those are the two 483 00:36:37,679 --> 00:36:42,719 most likely scenarios. Like I said, okay, see could get there to 484 00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:46,760 sign him. I I don't know about that. That would be the funniest 485 00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:52,039 possible situation though, If they got all these assets plus a for Paul George 486 00:36:52,039 --> 00:36:57,519 and then they later outright signed him, that would be that'd be some pretty 487 00:36:57,559 --> 00:37:00,320 dirty business. Not that they did it on purpose, but that would hurt. 488 00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:04,760 What else would hurt is what I think is gonna happen. They're gonna 489 00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:08,159 get Isaiah Hartenstein Okase and put him at the five, which said at the 490 00:37:08,199 --> 00:37:12,920 four, and that is a juggernaut right there, if they weren't already. 491 00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:17,119 My best guess is he goes to Philly that they're going to give him, 492 00:37:17,159 --> 00:37:25,440 if not the Max one ninety something that the Clippers were not offering. Uh. 493 00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:30,639 And I'll say this, this didn't come from anyone inside the Clippers organization. 494 00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:37,920 I did hear something before the season that Paul George was absolutely geared up 495 00:37:38,199 --> 00:37:42,039 to try to get a Max contract, which is what we heard from Justin 496 00:37:42,119 --> 00:37:50,360 Rousseau. Rousseau on a recent podcast here with us that understandably, your lifetime 497 00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:53,559 is very short as an athlete, the money was very important to him, 498 00:37:53,599 --> 00:38:00,360 and that is absolutely fine in my book, because you only have fifteen years 499 00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:06,679 a little bit more than that if you're lucky to make your living, and 500 00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:08,960 then it's over as an athlete to get as much as you can while you 501 00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:14,639 can. Yeah, and I mean it's not an insignificant amount of money. 502 00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:21,920 And because I mean it's like fifty to sixty it could be fifty to sixty 503 00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:24,360 million dollars, Like, it's not you know, it's we're not talking about 504 00:38:24,559 --> 00:38:28,960 even ten or twelve million, which is still like an insane amount of money. 505 00:38:29,079 --> 00:38:31,679 Of course, because this is his last. This isn't a guy who's 506 00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:36,400 thirty that could still squeak out another three year deal after this. This is 507 00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:39,480 likely it. And then maybe he's like a veteran minimum guy chasing a ring 508 00:38:39,559 --> 00:38:44,119 somewhere. Yeah, he's he's a mid level or a batman guy at that 509 00:38:44,159 --> 00:38:49,039 point. So I will not begrudge him at all. If that's what it's 510 00:38:49,079 --> 00:38:53,480 about. Before we get out of here, what for you is what's the 511 00:38:53,559 --> 00:39:00,000 lasting what's the lasting legacy of Paul George in the two and three Eero and 512 00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:06,079 Paul George with the Clippers. I think it's an NBA what if story? 513 00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:09,559 Another one I think it's like Penny and Shack. I think it's like t 514 00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:15,360 Mac and Grant Hill, even guys like well, if Antonio mcdias never did 515 00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:22,960 his knee, or it's just it's it's a sports type of tragedy when guys 516 00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:27,199 are in their prime and get hurt in their prime. To me, it 517 00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:31,320 always is that when you never get to see the maximum potential of in this 518 00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:37,000 case a duo, but even just individually. You know, and especially because 519 00:39:37,679 --> 00:39:40,880 if two p and three is over, they weren't able to bring the Clippers 520 00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:45,360 their first championship, and that was obviously the goal on why you make that 521 00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:49,440 move, and unfortunately, just so many things have gone against them that were 522 00:39:49,559 --> 00:39:53,840 outside of their control. The things outside their control, by far, are 523 00:39:53,880 --> 00:40:00,079 what have kept the Clippers from not winning a championship in this era. If 524 00:40:00,119 --> 00:40:02,320 Coli doesn't do his knee in twenty twenty one, they're winning the championship. 525 00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:06,480 In my book, I saw what he did to Jannista Koopa in the twenty 526 00:40:06,559 --> 00:40:09,239 nineteen Easter Conference finals. They would have beat the Bucks and obviously you take 527 00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:14,679 the Sense to six without your beating. Yeah, no, I agree, 528 00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:16,719 one hundred percent. I mean this whole thing, we're not even having this 529 00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:22,400 conversation about like, I don't even think that the MAX is as big of 530 00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:25,480 a factor for Paul George, Like, had they gotten one in this in 531 00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:28,920 this two months we era, like I think that might change the calculus a 532 00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:31,000 little bit. And then obviously, you know, if they had won one, 533 00:40:31,159 --> 00:40:35,440 it's not even a question for that, It's not even a question for 534 00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:38,559 the front office to resign a guy for the MAX. Like you that's you 535 00:40:38,559 --> 00:40:43,599 know that that's more than enough if you've brought one home, that that's more 536 00:40:43,639 --> 00:40:46,360 than enough for for I think to do that, even for a thirty four 537 00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:52,639 year old player. Yeah, but for me, I mean, like, 538 00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:57,519 it'll definitely be it's definitely a what if. Uh, And it'll be the 539 00:40:57,599 --> 00:41:00,760 highs of you know, making the first Western Conference finally, it'll be the 540 00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:07,880 highs of seeing those guys together. And yeah, I don't know, Like 541 00:41:07,119 --> 00:41:10,079 I know that I've expressed a lot of negative stuff about Paul George, but 542 00:41:10,599 --> 00:41:14,920 it's just it's just due to the situation and how this kind of thing has 543 00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:19,719 all shaken out. I would like to offer some hope, just because I 544 00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:22,960 always do at the end of shows, and this one has been especially negative. 545 00:41:23,119 --> 00:41:36,519 Understandably. I really look at the Clippers as BB before Balmer, an 546 00:41:36,559 --> 00:41:43,719 AB after Ballmer. This franchise in many ways of being a legitimate, credible, 547 00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:47,440 viable franchise has only been around for ten years since Steve Baulber took over 548 00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:52,719 in twenty fourteen, and they have if you look at it from that perspective, 549 00:41:53,599 --> 00:41:59,480 they have made so many strides because before that they had known or who 550 00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:02,440 did not care about winning at all. How could you call it a real 551 00:42:02,559 --> 00:42:07,079 franchise. They were being called the worst franchise in all of sports in many 552 00:42:07,119 --> 00:42:12,840 ways, they're just getting started since twenty fourteen, and as unfortunate as this 553 00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:15,840 era and even you can say Lob City, of course, to an extent, 554 00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:22,320 has been you have Steve Bamer, you have Steve Balmer. If ownership 555 00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:27,880 is the biggest advantage in sports, you have if not want the best, 556 00:42:28,519 --> 00:42:30,719 which I think he is one of the best, because he's already shown what 557 00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:37,360 he's willing to do. Yeah, that's a positive note. We're gonna get 558 00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:40,760 out of here. Thank you so much to everybody who tuned in. If 559 00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:44,280 you didn't know where Clips and Dip, you can check us out on YouTube 560 00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:46,639 dot com at Clippers podcast. You can listen to us wherever you get your 561 00:42:46,639 --> 00:42:51,840 podcasts. But yeah, thank you everybody who tuned into the live and until 562 00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:52,639 next time, let's go clips