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You're listening to KFI A six on
demand. Jack, Welcome to Jesus Christ

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Show. Hello, good morning,
Hi there, so far, first time

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listener this radio program. It was
referred to me during a few of the

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podcast Los Angeles and tuning in and
so far, like in two things that

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I've heard that I've been able to
connect to you. One is kind of

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the outside perimeter of what the church
has looked like versus the inside activity and

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behaviors when they're leaving there and away
from there. And I'm finding myself in

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a really good relationship at one point
had just some very deep friendship and a

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very long laughing life with a pregnancy. Even though unmarried and in a religious

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difference, there was still a very
common ground there. And now that it's

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getting closer to first, just kind
of wondering maybe an approach to have a

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religious and non religious parents for weekend
activity or daily activity with church versus maybe

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working on a project at the house. Both kind of have the same ending

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and meaning in life. But I
don't want to push my ground, and

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I don't think that other that she
would want to. For sure, stan

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making somebody do this in that so
sure this becomes difficult. So I'm assuming

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you're the one that's not. I
grew up on a very religious background.

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Understand a lot of the U you
know, just a lot of Christianity that

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around it. My mom and family
are still very involved in the church at

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a very advanced level, and so
that part that I get and I see

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them do it where as an individual
versus a group, and when I go

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into the group setting, maybe I
don't get. I just don't get out

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of it as I do as an
individual. Okay, what what? What?

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Why do you think that is?
Do you like any other group activity?

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Oh? Yeah, there's just uh, you know, work activities and

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old personal hobbies that I like to
do with a golf group or a tennis

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group, or just even a project
hobby with some friends and their kids,

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making little birdhouses or something on the
weekend, and just those like working with

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your hands apparently. But why do
you think it's different when you're in a

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church. Maybe because I see a
lot, I hear all the great ways

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of life, but I don't see
it. Okay, Well, think of

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it this way. If you're in
a garage and they're going to talk about

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all the you know, great types
of cars and how wonderful cars are everything,

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But every car in that garage is
being worked on, so you're not

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going to see the cars really souped
up necessarily until they leave. So okay,

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So it's kind of maybe expectations are
part of the problem there. And

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what what the function of the church
is. I think perception is very important.

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And when you go in thinking it's
going to be one thing, Yeah,

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church is a turn off many times. Anyways, it just is it's

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a really hard concept to swallow when
you've got some imperfect guy or gal standing

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from the pulpit preaching or teaching something, and all you can think and all

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people do is kind of reflect off
of this person and say, ah,

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either they've got issues, or this
person next to me has issues and I'm

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not like that, or this just
seems phony. Up here comes the hat

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again. Now I'm got to throw
more money in here, and they're gonna

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tell me twenty minutes as to why
I need to put money in here and

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all that. I get that there's
a lot of the crust of the experience

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that isn't so wonderful. However,
you get through that. There's a lot

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of things that have that experience that
you blow through to get to the good.

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Whether it's going out to eat,
whether it's going to an amusement park,

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whether I mean you could go,
oh the parking or all the lines,

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whether, but you get through it
because there's a benefit or a payoff

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there, and I would hate for
you to miss the benefit of the payoff

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just because of the the barnacles of
the experience. I see the benefit of

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what we're doing with our kid,
and I just want to make sure that

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there's a neutral approach to it and
from just myself to respect that because maybe

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I don't go, or I wouldn't
go every every Sunday, Like now I'm

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starting to see this happening versus it
never was a part of the relationship and

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now maybe so I still want to
respect that, but at the same time,

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I want to just kind of keep
my individual approach to it on a

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Sunday afternoon and do something. I
just want to make sure that that's still

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good and should that be respected from
the religious side too, to see that

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what I'm doing has the same impact
with our child as going to church every

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Sunday. Well, there's nothing from
the religious sides of the sure, Yeah,

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there's all kinds of ways. Don't
don't get stuck into just the building

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with the your pretty windows. That's
not the point. It's not just about

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that structure there. There's more to
it. Now. I don't like hearing

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the term neutral when it comes to
raising the child. When you have to

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find neutral ground in this sense,
it really is neutral. Is is like

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in a car, since we're on
car analogies for some reason today, it's

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not you're not going to move forward
or backward really unless the you're on a

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hill or something like that. And
I don't think it's fair to the child

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when you get to a place where
you really are wishy washy on things to

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try and make everybody happy. I
think you make a decision, the two

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of you as parents on how you're
going to raise this kid, and if

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if you're going to raise them without
God, then raise them without God.

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If you're going to raise them with
God, raise them with God. But

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a kind of a neutral, weird
kind of I'd rather be home but building,

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you know, a birdhouse, than
actually working on his spiritual life or

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or the life or the child.
Yes, no, yeah, yeah,

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you're right. The kid will be
raised with God, and I'm fine with

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that. I just would think that
on the mandating Christian side that there would

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be a respect for maybe just let's
go somewhere for a family for a day

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and not no breakfast, no,
and race off to a religious group.

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Maybe we can have a day of
independence with the family with the same godly

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meaning. Yes, it's possible.
I hear it in your voice. You

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want to do everything you can to
stay out of that church. I understand

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that well, because I see a
church on the beach. I see a

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group of fifty on the beach,
and I think that's a great spiritual way

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to go learn about God. It
absolutely can, It absolutely can. But

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don't fall into the fear. No, that's not a You can worship God

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any way you see fit. You
really can, and there is a lot

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of leeway in scripture as to how
you worship, even which day you worship

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and all of those things. However, it's like anything else, why are

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you doing it? And if you
can really ask yourself that question honestly and

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answer it honestly, then you'll find
you know as to what you're looking for.

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If you're just looking for a church
that's like less structured and that doesn't

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have a lot of the you know, the stuff you don't like. Fine,

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But if you're looking for a church
that you don't participate in, that

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you don't actually give money to,
that you don't be a part of in

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the sense of being part of the
community, then it's not a church.

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It's a group of people kind of
coming together. Maybe at best it's a

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Bible study. And that's a different
experience, just like you living on it

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in a neighborhood is different than you
living in a house that's next to other

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houses. If you're not participating with
your neighbors, you're not connecting with them.

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They don't know who you are,
you don't know who they are.

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That's not a neighborhood. It's a
house next to other houses. Okay,

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So if you if you want to
engage, sure, a very there's a

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very good family here, and there
is a great neighborhood, and it's a

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great upbringing for a kid, and
we both want the same things for this

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kid. But you understand the analogy. No, I understand the analogy.

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Okay, because if you don't get
lost in just a go somewhere that seems

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spiritual. Because I find that people
that really want to get away from the

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so called organized religion just don't want
the accountability. And if that's the case,

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then it misses, it brushes past
everything of value in the church.

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Well, that's where I'm finding a
little bit of because I'm finding myself making

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a mistake and then holding myself accountable
for it. But on on the other

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side of it, I'm seeing her
and she's a many mistakes but not making

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that attempt. And I'm just kind
of on a very patient ground right now.

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It's tough, isn't it when you
not when you don't see eye to

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eye spiritually, it's really tough to
have a child. You can ever without

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a child, everything's peachy keen,
but the minute you put a child into

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the equation, it changes everything.
And nobody listens to me when I tell

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them that, no, it's it's
a thing. It wasn't It was never

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an issue in our relationship. It
was very well respected. And but now

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you're gambling with your child. Yeah, now it's just different, and the

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religion thing isn't really so much of
the issue. Well it is, but

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at the same time, there's the
accountability of just being honest and the friends

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that we were in the relationship when
we find ourselves in mistake mode, and

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that's where I'm just you'll fight it. Well, there's just more at stake

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right now, Jack, And in
that process, you're gonna everyone's gonna be

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holding on to their own. You're
a smart guy, and you're an honest

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guy. You're going to find the
right thing. Just be balanced and be

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aware of why you're doing what you're
doing and why you're not doing what you

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don't want to do, and be
honest with yourself first and then with each

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other. Alfonso, Welcome to the
Jesus Christ Show. Good morning. Hello.

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I just want to start with saying
I'm a loyal listener and I really

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love your show every weekend. Oh, thank you so much. I appreciate

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it absolutely. Uh. I've been
curious about something and I and I wanted

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to call and ask about the significance
of the head coverings. Uh sometimes uh

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uh you know some religions where the
where the you know, the women cover

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their heads and they they don't and
or or some other religions where they where

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they were the the Yamica, and
and then in occasions they don't and and

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and I've seen uh, you know, other the bishops on the TV he

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had a red one on something.
You know, I just kind of I

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was, you know, very curious
about that, and I knew you were

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the perfect one to call and ask, well, I appreciate that the head

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coverings, and well, we'll focus
on Christianity just because that's the purpose of

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the program, but to broaden it, they all kind of go back to

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the same place. It's a sign
of respect. It's a sign of respect

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and humility before God. So as
far as if you read First Corinthians eleven

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and you went through it, I
know a lot of people will read this

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and go, oh my gosh,
that's you know, the women have to

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wear head coverings. This is obviously
to make women lesser. No, no,

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it's actually quite beautiful. And if
you read on, it's not about

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an equality thing, but about a
structure thing and an importance to show that

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there that the people of God were
submissive towards God. And really a lot

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of things that were done early on
were done to separate our Jewish brothers and

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sisters, and therefore early Christians from
looking like pagans. The pagan prostitutes would

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shave their heads and things like that. So Christian women early in the early

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Christian Church would wear head coverings to
separate themselves from looking like the prostitutes.

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That's kind of focused on it.
What the base of it is always about

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respect, always about giving glory to
God and humility. Linda, Welcome to

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the Jesus Christ Show. Hi there, How may I help you? Okay?

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So basically my question is okay,
So basically my question is I don't

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understand how you're supposed to, I
guess interpret the Bible or read it basically

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like you know, because I've heard
a lot of it has to do with

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symbolism, Like a lot of the
stories and a lot of the verses and

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stuff are symbolized. And basically my
question is, are you suppose us to

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read the Bible at face value?
Is just to take it at face value

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and interpret every single word exactly for
what it says, or are you supposed

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to symbol is everything? Well?
No, in the if you made everything

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a symbol, it really doesn't mean
anything. It takes the weight of the

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entirety of the weight out of scripture. I'll tell you it's quite easy,

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really, And here's a good trick
for you to use should you want to

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study scripture. Scripture is very clear
about explaining when something's a dream. It's

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very clear when something's a story.
Every time that I tell a story,

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I start by saying, I'm going
to tell you a story, or here's

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a parable. If if that's not
being done, then the assumption it would

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be correct to assume that it's to
be taken literally. Now, not everything

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in the Bible is true. It's
just true that it was said and therefore

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put in the Bible. So,
for instance, if the devil himself said

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there is no God, but he
was saying it on the Mount of Olives

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or something in front of people or
next to me, for instance, he's

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standing next to Christ and he says
it, it might get in scripture,

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but it doesn't mean that it's true. So not everything is prescriptive or prescribed,

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and it's important to see that.
Sometimes scripture is just describing something that

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took place, and this took place
and you should know about it, and

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the verse versus, like the Ten
Commandments are prescriptive saying you should do these

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things or you should not do these
things, and that they're two different ways.

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So there's many important parts of scripture
and any work of antiquity. Quite

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honestly, for instance, if you
looked at Shakespeare, Shakespeare talks about some

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things that are true, some things
that took place, but it's all fiction.

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It's all written as theater, but
doesn't mean he didn't use real characters

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and things like that. Now,
in scripture, it's a historic account from

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the eyes of many of what went
on in certain times, and then put

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together because of the fact that they
have similar content and a similar conclusion and

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similar purpose. But to take something
literal when Christ himself says and here is

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a parable would be silly. But
it'd be equally as silly to make something

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where he doesn't say, this as
a story and it's not a parable,

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and to take that and make it
just, well, I'm gonna interpret interpret

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it as a story, because that's
not the way it's said. That in

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those contexts, it's important to understand
what is being said and why it's being

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said, and what the seating of
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read before it, you read after
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it, and in doing that,
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what scripture is. It's like,
not just should it be interpreted literally or

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symbolically. That's not fair that doesn't
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is literal. It maybe literal that
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it was written down, but it's
it's not literal when I say in scripture

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it is easier to get a camel
through the eye of a needle than it

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is to get a rich man into
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trying to be that's actually being sarcastic. You can't get a camel through the

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eye of a needle. And there
are many who have believed, Oh,

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those gates at the front of the
city that were very small, and when

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they shut the big gates later at
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traveling and had to come in,
you had to come by way these small

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gates that they called the eye of
the needle. None of that has been

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confirmed, even though I've seen it
in encyclopedia as before, and they've been

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wrong. So it really was trying
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a needle, which is impossible.
Yet you know it's not impossible to get

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a rich person into heaven. So
that wasn't being literal. The illustration was

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that it's quite difficult because people end
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that and losing sight of the things
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So scripture, yes, and many
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it says thou shalt not murder,
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of the innocent period. It's not
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because those ten commandments were pretty much
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enjoy in these United States. So
having an understanding of those things and knowing

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when it's different in scripture is important
when it's just describing something. It's important

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to know that when it's prescribing something
you should do this or you should not

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do that. That's important, and
know where it falls into context and what

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is trying to be said. But
absolutely it is in there, and there's

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no reason to take it and entirely
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And there's also times that I confirm
things that I would talk about them too,

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not saying, hey, you remember
that story, but go into it

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as if it was the history that
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Eve or things like that, and
they get they got prominence as well,

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Sharon, welcome to the Jesus Christ
Show. Thank you. How can I

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help you? My neighbor and I
were having a discussion. My husband died

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forty four years ago. Her husband
died four years ago. Yes, we

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both were holding their hands. One
day left us. I watched my husband

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for seven hours, Well, watched
his eyes, I watched it, his

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mouth, everything to see if I
because I knew he was leaving and I

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wanted to see if there was something
different going to happen. It didn't.

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Uh So, neither one of us
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when when the life goes out of
the person, does their soul go to

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heaven? And when the Bible says
that at the end God will raise everyone

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up if their souls are already in
heaven, does that mean He's going to

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raise their their bodies out of those
out of that coffin. Well, there's

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I would like to focus on on
the the heaven part, because it's most

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important to somebody who has passed.
Uh and and put and point towards some

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of those things. But there's no
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It's ash just dashes dust to dust. That's a carrier, and so the

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focus should be on what scripture says
about the passing of someone. And in

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Hebrews Hebrews, chapter nine, verse
twenty seven, it says, and inasmuch

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as it is appointed for man to
die once and after this comes judgment,

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very very simple. Well. Second
Corinthians five eight also says, to be

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absent from the body is to be
present with the Lord. So yes,

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to the god fearing person, to
the believer there with God, they immediately

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go with God. That's good.
Yeah, I would think so I would

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tend to agree. That's good.
Sounds like a great yeah. No need

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to stop, no need to get
Anderson's pea soup, no need to go

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on a long drive anywhere, get
gas, get snacks. Nothing. Oh

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and uh want to know my husband's
and I mean his soul is himless?

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Oh? Absolutely? And he is
with God. That's that's all I care

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about. What a beautiful statement.
In Second Corinthians five eight, to be

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absent from the body is to be
present with the Lord. Okay, you've

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answer my question. Excellent, Well
then you go in peace. You are

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very very welcome. And that gets
confusing and scary, and the concept as

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to what's going on, and a
lot of it gets kind of complicated theological

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that's of interest to some, but
some people just need that simple verse to

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move them along that way and to
go into peace. When sometimes that hits

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in such a way that it's like, well, what's going on and what

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is happening the end time stuff and
the raising of the it gets into a

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whole muddy mess of stuff that I
prefer we talk about it from time to

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time, but on a case like
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simplicity of that truth, because I
think it's an important one and also one

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that is kind of overlooked in all
the you know, the many versions of

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well this is what happens, and
this is what happens, and just stick

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with that beauty. To be absent
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the Lord. Wendy, Welcome to
Jesus Christ saw Jesus. Thank you you

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are my Lord and Savior. And
I praise your holy name, Oh praise

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God. Thanks for calling. I
was raised in a conservative Southern Baptist church

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and I still hold those values and
belief And it's regarding music. I'm a

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musician. I love all types of
music. I love opera, classical.

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I love what's that ghetto rap?
I love every type of music, every

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type of music that there is.
But I believe that there's maybe more okay,

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well being being raised with the hymns, the old hymns like great is

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Thy faithfulness and when the when the
role is called, there's a different vibrational

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frequency that is, I don't know, place stup on your soul. I

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can't see you see now you're getting
into metaphysics, and that might be a

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problem too. Well, Okay,
Let's say somebody has has like sexual sinse

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okay, and they go to a
striper bar and they watch those girls on

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the pole. If there was opera
playing or hymns, I don't think that

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they would be into it because I
think it's I listen to me for a

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second. I don't think they'd care
who's they Those that are in the strip

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joint, they're not going there to
see naked women and some cool jams.

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They're going there to see naked women. The association between certain music and certain

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vibes, Yes, of course,
there are certain things that you have to

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be in the mood for. There
is no evil music. There are evil

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words, there's evil intent, but
there is not one. Okay, let's

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uh, maybe an e minor is
a little dark, but there's no there's

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no such thing as an evil note. Okay, but wait, wait,

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what about like Highway to Hell?
Okay, that's that's a lyric. That's

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a lyric. And I will tell
you this, I'll go even a little

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further with you that if you put
the actual contents of scripture into lyrics,

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with the beast reality and the rape
and the multiple partners, you wouldn't be

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able to listen to it then either, even though it's straight out of the

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Bible. The Bible, i will
tell you, is the filthiest, most

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violent book that you will come across. It's not prescriptive that way. It's

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describing that these things took place.
Yeah, that's true. So then we

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have to look at scripture the same
way, or outside of scripture the same

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way. Any music, is it
being prescriptive or is it describing something?

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We play a lot of secular music
on the show for that very reason,

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because a lot of it is describing
how they believe, either Christians believe,

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or the confusion they have in life, or the frustrations they have in life.

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And that's okay, now, if
it's telling you to go out and

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commit a sacrifice, if it's telling
you go out and take a life.

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If it's telling you to go out
and do these things, then yes there's

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a problem. If it's describing them, you have to have the sense of

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an old cow and eat the hay
and leave the sticks. That's the key

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in life altogether. Just because you
don't like something doesn't make it evil.

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I know Christians have gotten to a
place where they're very comfortable in letting,

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in putting their stamp of disapproval on
everything. But I assure you, as

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they point to all these movies and
songs, that the scripture is at the

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top of the list on what you
wouldn't want to see and wouldn't want to

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hear about if it was accurate in
a song or in a movie. Kf

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