WEBVTT 1 00:00:06.960 --> 00:00:27.600 At every points tost side gash dast side was shy dast tsst just didnt stanstead 2 00:00:29.079 --> 00:00:44.280 type still start type side last side time side statist Time to more stude side 3 00:00:44.600 --> 00:01:57.439 the statist side statist. I'll show you second day of July twenty fifteen, 4 00:01:57.519 --> 00:02:05.719 The Old Chilly Effect is on ucy dot TV Radio. Thank you for joining 5 00:02:05.799 --> 00:02:08.000 us. Whether you're catching us further on down the stream later on in a 6 00:02:08.080 --> 00:02:14.240 podcast version of this show, or on YouTube or whatever else, do appreciate 7 00:02:14.319 --> 00:02:17.240 you. If you decided to go to the website at ucy dot tv slash 8 00:02:17.360 --> 00:02:25.319 t Oe, you're also greatly appreciated. Anyway. Also want to thank rather 9 00:02:25.759 --> 00:02:36.199 especially Patricia Brownschwaller for helping to keep me on the air this week, and 10 00:02:37.120 --> 00:02:42.319 also are unnamed friend that we simply refer to as the Doctor of California. 11 00:02:44.120 --> 00:02:47.960 You guys are extremely appreciated and you know what you did, so that's that. 12 00:02:49.479 --> 00:02:53.599 Thank you. Anyway, I do appreciate anybody who's giving me the time 13 00:02:53.719 --> 00:02:58.960 to listen to what it is I'm doing tonight. I have a rather special 14 00:02:59.280 --> 00:03:04.199 guest, and I think it's high time that we face what it is we're 15 00:03:04.240 --> 00:03:07.080 going to talk about tonight. Also, by the way, and I do 16 00:03:07.159 --> 00:03:12.599 always forget to mention this. If you do use the Twitter thing, it's 17 00:03:12.719 --> 00:03:16.240 at o'chelly Effect. You'll find me there. 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So whether you're utilizing a fundal slab of some sort, 34 00:04:31.879 --> 00:04:35.240 or you're actually using an old school computer or just a phone, there 35 00:04:35.360 --> 00:04:41.480 is a way to catch this show, either live or archive. Anyway. 36 00:04:41.560 --> 00:04:49.160 Tonight's very very special guest is Barbara Honeger. She is a fascinating individual in 37 00:04:49.240 --> 00:04:54.120 my estimation, and somebody that I really am grateful to have on tonight. 38 00:04:54.199 --> 00:04:58.600 And she'll be calling in very shortly to give you a brief background to Barbara. 39 00:04:59.199 --> 00:05:03.000 Okay, and this, by the way, no biography that I see 40 00:05:03.000 --> 00:05:09.639 of her actually covers every single thing that is noteworthy about her. So this 41 00:05:09.839 --> 00:05:14.439 is one of those happy, happy guests for me. Anyway. Barbara Honeger 42 00:05:14.480 --> 00:05:19.920 worked as a researcher at the Hoover Institution before joining the Ronald Reagan administration as 43 00:05:20.000 --> 00:05:27.680 a researcher and policy analyst in nineteen eighty Okay, Honiger headed Reagan's gender Discrimination 44 00:05:27.920 --> 00:05:34.480 Agency review before resigning in August nineteen eighty three. While working for Reagan, 45 00:05:34.639 --> 00:05:41.519 she discovered information that convinced her that George hw Bush and William Casey had conspired 46 00:05:41.560 --> 00:05:46.920 to make sure that Iran did not release the US hostages until Jimmy Carter had 47 00:05:47.000 --> 00:05:56.240 been defeated in the nineteen eighty presidential election. Sound familiar. In nineteen eighty 48 00:05:56.279 --> 00:06:00.120 seven, Honiger began leaking information to journalists about the Reagan administration. However, 49 00:06:00.240 --> 00:06:05.399 it was not until Reagan left office that Honager published October Surprise. That was 50 00:06:05.480 --> 00:06:11.360 in nineteen eighty nine Intervook. Honager claimed that in nineteen eighty William Casey and 51 00:06:11.439 --> 00:06:16.680 other representatives of the Reagan presidential campaign made a deal of two sets of meetings 52 00:06:17.399 --> 00:06:24.439 in July and August at the Ritz Hotel in Madrid with Iranians to delay the 53 00:06:24.519 --> 00:06:31.519 release of Americans held hostage in Iran until the November nineteen eighty presidential elections. 54 00:06:33.000 --> 00:06:39.839 Reagan age promised that they would get a better deal if they waited until Carter 55 00:06:40.160 --> 00:06:46.600 was defeated. Okay. In the years since October Surprise was published, other 56 00:06:46.959 --> 00:06:50.399 sources such as gee, I don't even know how to pronounce this guy's name, 57 00:06:50.439 --> 00:06:58.199 Ari Ben Menche Manesche Okay have come forward to confirm Honiger's story. Now 58 00:06:58.959 --> 00:07:04.519 this is how Barbara Hannager emerged in the information stream. Let's just say, 59 00:07:05.000 --> 00:07:12.800 but she's done a great deal of work concerning stuff that evolves around I ran 60 00:07:12.959 --> 00:07:18.199 Contra and most recently and most notably, and what we're going to discuss tonight, 61 00:07:18.319 --> 00:07:25.160 of course, is her very unique insights about nine to eleven and the 62 00:07:25.279 --> 00:07:31.240 attack on the Pentagon, which now here comes my editorialization. And by the 63 00:07:31.319 --> 00:07:39.959 way, that bio is in part from Spartacus educational form, just so I'm 64 00:07:40.000 --> 00:07:44.319 giving credit to where it is. I got a reasonably coherent biography, but 65 00:07:45.360 --> 00:07:48.000 again it is only in part. She's also published some books, she has 66 00:07:48.279 --> 00:07:56.279 released a video which is a note behind the Smoke Curtain regarding the Pentagon attacks, 67 00:07:56.319 --> 00:08:01.240 things like this, and she is actually a nine to eleven truther in 68 00:08:01.319 --> 00:08:07.360 a rather unique and hardwired way that lends some very serious legitimacy to what she's 69 00:08:07.439 --> 00:08:15.079 talking about now. Of course, it is fascinating to me and extremely relevant 70 00:08:15.519 --> 00:08:22.800 because ever so often people do seem to ignore the attacks on the Pentagon as 71 00:08:22.920 --> 00:08:28.399 part of the equation when they're examining dissecting the events of September eleven, two 72 00:08:28.439 --> 00:08:33.840 thousand one. But you see that leaves a huge piece of the story out 73 00:08:33.919 --> 00:08:39.519 And again this is my editorialization about the coverage that I've seen about the efforts 74 00:08:39.559 --> 00:08:45.159 that I've seen from various people over the years. They want to talk about 75 00:08:45.240 --> 00:08:48.759 New York City, they want to talk about the Twin Towers. They don't 76 00:08:48.840 --> 00:08:54.000 always want to talk about the Pentagon. It is noteworthy and necessary to examine 77 00:08:54.200 --> 00:09:01.720 and explain, especially for the sake of carrying forward the concept, the concept, 78 00:09:01.840 --> 00:09:05.960 mind you, of attempting to reveal to the public the entirety of the 79 00:09:07.080 --> 00:09:11.000 truth. It is extremely significant. One of the things that I have seen 80 00:09:11.039 --> 00:09:18.360 her focus on in various presentations, and most recently something very interesting which relates 81 00:09:18.399 --> 00:09:22.639 to the nine to eleven memorial all right, which I'm sure we're going to 82 00:09:22.679 --> 00:09:26.639 wind up discussing at some point tonight, although as usual, I never planned 83 00:09:26.679 --> 00:09:31.960 this, I never script this, and choreography is not something I'm fond of 84 00:09:33.159 --> 00:09:37.240 either. Okay, So whatever Barbara's going to say, she's going to say, 85 00:09:37.480 --> 00:09:43.000 and it's going to come from her very unique perspective, and like I 86 00:09:43.120 --> 00:09:46.120 said, a general idea of what we're going to cover. But I may 87 00:09:46.200 --> 00:09:50.360 be very surprised, and I'm very sure that I'm going to be educated, 88 00:09:50.399 --> 00:09:56.559 because I'll tell you what a very short few conversations with Barbara immediately, I've 89 00:09:56.600 --> 00:10:00.720 been educated on a couple of things right away, and I don't even think 90 00:10:00.759 --> 00:10:03.799 she intended to do so. Anyway, I do have her on the line 91 00:10:03.840 --> 00:10:09.120 now, So good evening, Barbara. How are you, Hi, Hi, 92 00:10:09.320 --> 00:10:11.440 Chuck, how are you. It's great to be on. Thank you 93 00:10:11.159 --> 00:10:15.039 well, thank you for taking the time today. I know you're extremely busy. 94 00:10:16.200 --> 00:10:20.919 And I did touch upon the walking tour of the nine to eleven Memorial 95 00:10:20.120 --> 00:10:24.559 briefly, and uh, and and also mentioned that that video which is available 96 00:10:24.600 --> 00:10:30.080 on Amazon that that people can see regarding the you know, the nine to 97 00:10:30.080 --> 00:10:35.519 eleven attacks on the Pentagon and exactly why this is such a significant issue and 98 00:10:35.600 --> 00:10:37.879 everything. And I've tried to bring this up and and just to give you 99 00:10:37.919 --> 00:10:41.159 a little bit of background, I've had a lot of shows on nine to 100 00:10:41.159 --> 00:10:43.200 eleven. I uh, you know, the first one I did was with 101 00:10:43.480 --> 00:10:48.879 was with Richard Gage, where we discussed it. We're a very good friend. 102 00:10:48.840 --> 00:10:54.120 You know, we discussed New York City mainly because that's what his focus 103 00:10:54.279 --> 00:10:56.320 was. And in fact, when he was doing the Rethink nine to eleven 104 00:10:56.399 --> 00:11:01.840 tour up in Canada, uh, very much. They were focused on Building 105 00:11:01.919 --> 00:11:05.600 seven and things like this. Now, no offense to anybody who studies this 106 00:11:07.000 --> 00:11:09.039 or is trying to reveal the truth about what's gone on in New York City, 107 00:11:09.159 --> 00:11:15.639 but I think far too often the Pentagon has been ignored, and it 108 00:11:15.840 --> 00:11:20.600 is even more significant in a geopolitical sense, because well, let's let's get 109 00:11:20.639 --> 00:11:26.960 honest here, when you attack the military headquarters of the United States of America, 110 00:11:26.600 --> 00:11:33.600 you have automatically committed a very particular act of war. And this is 111 00:11:33.679 --> 00:11:39.080 not something that's just a matter of rhetoric. This isn't something that just changes 112 00:11:39.559 --> 00:11:41.519 the language of what's going on. But this changes a lot of things. 113 00:11:43.399 --> 00:11:48.759 And now that's not to say that I believe in the official story, But 114 00:11:48.919 --> 00:11:56.120 what I'm saying is someone attacked that building, and that has a whole different 115 00:11:56.200 --> 00:12:01.240 significance, even though and again I'm not belittling the lives lost in New York 116 00:12:01.320 --> 00:12:05.120 City, not at all, But what I'm saying is that this is a 117 00:12:05.559 --> 00:12:13.600 far different event than simply attacking a civilian target, regardless of who the actual 118 00:12:13.799 --> 00:12:18.480 terrorists are. Okay, I'll leave it open like that. And as I 119 00:12:18.600 --> 00:12:22.679 said in the beginning here, before you got on the line. I actually 120 00:12:22.759 --> 00:12:26.279 could not find a full biography that it wouldn't take me a very long time 121 00:12:26.360 --> 00:12:31.000 to read, because you've been so involved in so many things, published a 122 00:12:31.039 --> 00:12:37.480 great many different pieces of information, or been involved in the publication of information, 123 00:12:37.600 --> 00:12:45.240 including including a doctor Kevin Kevin Barrett's work recently. Okay, I mean, 124 00:12:45.360 --> 00:12:48.600 it's just I don't even know where to begin to put together a very 125 00:12:48.679 --> 00:12:54.840 concise and sharp bio in brief for you for the listener. But maybe you 126 00:12:54.919 --> 00:12:58.639 want to, maybe I should give the high points that are relevant to my 127 00:13:00.279 --> 00:13:05.480 expertise on this subject exactly. That's what I was That's what I was working 128 00:13:05.559 --> 00:13:07.720 towards. So if you're all set to go, I'm more than happy to 129 00:13:07.799 --> 00:13:13.240 just simply hand you the floor and let you do that. Okay, why 130 00:13:13.279 --> 00:13:18.080 don't I just give some high points of my background, my bio or VT 131 00:13:18.399 --> 00:13:24.279 as they call it, that are particularly relevant to my expertise on nine to 132 00:13:24.320 --> 00:13:33.039 eleven. Okay, First and foremost, obviously is for fifteen years, from 133 00:13:33.120 --> 00:13:37.120 nineteen ninety five until two thousand and eleven. Mid two thousand and eleven, 134 00:13:37.639 --> 00:13:41.759 I was the senior military affairs journalist at the Naval Postgraduate School. Now the 135 00:13:41.879 --> 00:13:50.000 Naval Postgraduate School is built by the Department of Defense itself as the od's premier 136 00:13:52.120 --> 00:13:58.000 Science, Technology, and National Security Affairs graduate research University of the Department of 137 00:13:58.080 --> 00:14:01.039 Defense. And I was the senior military affairs journalists there for fifteen years, 138 00:14:01.639 --> 00:14:11.320 over eleven of those at a full pledged DS twelve almost thirteen full time maybe 139 00:14:11.440 --> 00:14:20.759 civilians employee. So when you do stories for the Department of Defense, especially 140 00:14:20.000 --> 00:14:28.799 on high tech subjects and controversial national security affairs and homeland security affairs subjects, 141 00:14:30.360 --> 00:14:35.879 you can imagine that your research, your investigative research, and your checks is 142 00:14:37.120 --> 00:14:39.240 vevied all the way, if you will, to the Pope. Okay, 143 00:14:41.399 --> 00:14:46.679 so I had fifteen years of that, so people can be pretty assured that 144 00:14:48.720 --> 00:14:54.960 I would not have put anything out in my do YouTube. The one on 145 00:14:54.000 --> 00:14:58.879 the Pentagon is you just you put in the YouTube field behind the smoke curt 146 00:15:00.120 --> 00:15:03.480 It has over one hundred and sixty two thousand views right now. And the 147 00:15:03.600 --> 00:15:09.639 other is the called also on YouTube called the nine to eleven and there's a 148 00:15:09.759 --> 00:15:13.879 flash in the nine to eleven nine eleven Museum Virtual Walking Tour and will repeat 149 00:15:13.919 --> 00:15:18.600 those over the air and people can get behind the Smoke Curtain on the Pentagon 150 00:15:18.639 --> 00:15:26.200 Attack on Amazon as a professional DVD. So you can imagine that I wouldn't 151 00:15:26.240 --> 00:15:31.759 without a word, let alone professional DVDs that I hadn't personally vetted at least 152 00:15:33.720 --> 00:15:37.159 as much as I did when I was the senior Military Affairs journalist for the 153 00:15:37.240 --> 00:15:41.360 Department of Defects. So people should also know that I did hold very high 154 00:15:41.440 --> 00:15:46.559 level positions in the federal government. I was a policy analyst in the West 155 00:15:46.639 --> 00:15:50.960 Wings of the White House in the first Reagan for senior administration. I was 156 00:15:52.080 --> 00:15:56.440 also a special assistant to the Assistant to the President for Domestic policy. And 157 00:15:56.559 --> 00:16:02.120 then I was double headed to the Apartment of Justice, where I was the 158 00:16:02.399 --> 00:16:07.320 executive director or the director directly under the Attorney General of the Attorney General's Gender 159 00:16:07.399 --> 00:16:12.840 Non Discrimination Review Project, when I reviewed all of the entire Code of US 160 00:16:12.960 --> 00:16:18.639 federal law and all the Code of Federal Regulations, policies, practices, and 161 00:16:18.720 --> 00:16:23.679 procedures of forty six federal agencies, and my work has been published in seven 162 00:16:23.759 --> 00:16:30.639 volumes by the Government Printing Office on that so I'm pretty much an established investigative 163 00:16:30.720 --> 00:16:34.440 journalists, let's put it that way. Well, not answer that question, 164 00:16:34.559 --> 00:16:41.240 So maybe we can get to the substance. Absolutely not only an established investigative 165 00:16:41.320 --> 00:16:47.120 journalist, but a meticulous researcher on seemingly any topic that you even begin to 166 00:16:47.240 --> 00:16:52.679 lay your mind upon. Let's just say, and with good reason. I 167 00:16:52.759 --> 00:16:55.399 mean, just to sort of simplify for the listener, here's the thing. 168 00:16:56.120 --> 00:16:59.840 When this woman is speaking about a subject and I don't care what it is. 169 00:17:00.000 --> 00:17:03.320 And again, you know, like I said, this is a rare 170 00:17:03.399 --> 00:17:08.079 opportunity for me to be able to have somebody on that has gone through the 171 00:17:08.720 --> 00:17:14.279 you know, the the gauntlets of vetting their own information like this, this 172 00:17:14.519 --> 00:17:18.640 is rather unusual. So uh so I say to the listener again, pay 173 00:17:18.759 --> 00:17:25.039 very close attention by all means, do examine it for yourselves. But also 174 00:17:25.160 --> 00:17:29.559 remember that because I decided to do a couple of just sort of dry google 175 00:17:29.599 --> 00:17:32.519 searches and things like that, just assuming that I had never heard of you, 176 00:17:32.640 --> 00:17:36.319 which is not true, but just assuming for the listener's sake, that 177 00:17:36.400 --> 00:17:37.839 I had never heard of you if I wanted to just search your name, 178 00:17:38.960 --> 00:17:45.240 uh you know, good luck. Well that was that was the beginning of 179 00:17:45.319 --> 00:17:48.319 it. Yes, but even more interesting, And I point this out, 180 00:17:48.359 --> 00:17:49.359 and I hope you don't get mad at me, but I point this out 181 00:17:49.400 --> 00:17:55.160 about anybody that I have on that has something very significant to say that carries 182 00:17:55.240 --> 00:18:02.279 a lot of gravity. Okay, The bottom line is that even the attacks 183 00:18:02.680 --> 00:18:08.440 that I see on your work speak to me about exactly how directly over the 184 00:18:08.559 --> 00:18:15.880 target you are. As exactly you got it. I was gonna say, 185 00:18:15.000 --> 00:18:18.000 many a man that I've talked to you who has served as a pilot or 186 00:18:18.160 --> 00:18:22.480 in the Air force, explains things exactly that way. You know for sure 187 00:18:23.000 --> 00:18:26.720 that you were over an area of significance when you're receiving the flack, and 188 00:18:27.079 --> 00:18:32.359 you know what. Examine the flack that Barbara's taking, because I'll tell you 189 00:18:32.480 --> 00:18:38.799 what happens there. You can see the character of any individual often by exactly 190 00:18:38.920 --> 00:18:44.319 what type of enemy they attract. So exactly, I'm proud of my enemies. 191 00:18:45.119 --> 00:18:47.839 Absolutely. I just wanted to point that out. I'm not sure if 192 00:18:47.839 --> 00:18:49.880 anybody's ever done that with you on one of these discussions, but I wanted 193 00:18:49.880 --> 00:18:53.440 to point that out. And now, yes, please, let's get to 194 00:18:53.519 --> 00:18:57.119 the substance, and I'll do my best to see it and be quiet. 195 00:18:57.200 --> 00:19:03.960 But I am a talk show. What I would probably do unless you want 196 00:19:03.000 --> 00:19:08.799 to start out with a question, I would probably give people the highlights, 197 00:19:10.680 --> 00:19:17.440 the what I call the burning take home messages of Behind the Smoke Curtain, 198 00:19:17.559 --> 00:19:22.440 which is on YouTube, and that's my It was a presentation at Seattletown Hall 199 00:19:22.640 --> 00:19:29.359 in January twenty thirteen. Seattletown Hall looks kind of like the Supreme Court building 200 00:19:29.400 --> 00:19:32.279 on the outside, with you know, white marble pillars and all of that, 201 00:19:32.759 --> 00:19:37.680 and it was it was advertised and publicized to the kazoo and there was 202 00:19:37.720 --> 00:19:41.880 a standing room only audience and you can see that in the video. But 203 00:19:42.079 --> 00:19:48.079 my partner in Behind the Smoke Curtain, Mark Schneider, who is the videographer 204 00:19:48.400 --> 00:19:53.119 and activists for Seattle nine to eleven Truth, he is my full partner and 205 00:19:53.640 --> 00:19:59.440 copyright partner on Behind the Smoke Curtain and the nine to eleven Museum Virtual Rocky 206 00:19:59.519 --> 00:20:03.480 Tour, and so we are on this. We are in this together. 207 00:20:03.039 --> 00:20:07.400 So I just wanted people to know that Mark has it's not just the talking 208 00:20:07.519 --> 00:20:18.319 head. Mark spent months inserting with my guidance, inserting video clips and photographs 209 00:20:18.359 --> 00:20:22.160 from the Pentagon on nine to eleven. Video clips from the Pentagon on nine 210 00:20:22.200 --> 00:20:29.559 to eleven quotes you will you will see the actual evidence for yourself in behind 211 00:20:29.640 --> 00:20:33.720 this Folk Curtain that is inserted on the screen many many, many times, 212 00:20:33.759 --> 00:20:37.119 dozens and dozens and dozens of times. So if you don't just take my 213 00:20:37.200 --> 00:20:41.240 word for it, and I also give you links on the screen, if 214 00:20:41.279 --> 00:20:42.880 I'm it could claim, you're going to be able to go to that link 215 00:20:42.960 --> 00:20:47.000 and see it on the on the web for yourself. So anyway, I 216 00:20:47.119 --> 00:20:51.519 just wanted to shout out to my partner because I do all the content that 217 00:20:51.640 --> 00:20:55.279 I can't bring it to life without my videographer, and he's a great videographer. 218 00:20:55.759 --> 00:21:00.720 So anyway, so I'm going to give you I'm going to start with 219 00:21:00.920 --> 00:21:04.640 behind the Smoke Curtain, which is on the Pentagon Attack on YouTube and available 220 00:21:04.759 --> 00:21:08.720 on Amazon on DVD. I'm gonna give you the highlights of that. So 221 00:21:10.000 --> 00:21:15.400 I think the most important take home message is watching. Be sure and watch 222 00:21:15.480 --> 00:21:21.559 it, but before you watch it, I'm gonna give you some burning data 223 00:21:21.599 --> 00:21:25.359 points. I call it the number one take home message. After you watch 224 00:21:25.480 --> 00:21:30.400 it should be this. It should be that, just says at the World 225 00:21:30.519 --> 00:21:36.680 Trade Center, as has already been proved by Richard Gage and Neils Harris and 226 00:21:36.839 --> 00:21:44.119 Professor Stephen Jones and so many others for the World Trade Center World Trade Centers 227 00:21:44.160 --> 00:21:47.680 one, two, and seven on nine eleven. Most people know that there 228 00:21:47.720 --> 00:21:56.799 were pre placed explosives, including military grade supernano thermite, threaded and salted throughout 229 00:21:56.880 --> 00:22:00.039 those buildings, all three of them. World Trade Center seven, not hit 230 00:22:00.119 --> 00:22:03.440 by any plane, came down at about five to twenty pm on nine to 231 00:22:03.480 --> 00:22:08.599 eleven in a classic controlled and alition. And from that you can infer, 232 00:22:08.799 --> 00:22:14.559 obviously also from the evidence of the videotapes and much else, that World Trade 233 00:22:14.599 --> 00:22:18.839 Centers one and two were also saulted in advanced at least weeks, if not 234 00:22:18.039 --> 00:22:23.279 months, in advance of nine to eleven, in advance of any even possible 235 00:22:23.359 --> 00:22:27.960 plane impact. This three placed explosive. And we already know this about the 236 00:22:29.000 --> 00:22:33.200 World Trade Centers one, tube, and seven, but people don't know. 237 00:22:33.480 --> 00:22:37.920 And what you learn and is proven to you in Behind the Smoke Curtain on 238 00:22:37.000 --> 00:22:45.920 YouTube, is that the same true story is at the Pentagon. The real 239 00:22:47.039 --> 00:22:56.319 story of the Pentagon is also three placed explosive. So the so called plane 240 00:22:56.519 --> 00:23:02.559 penetration path that the government wants you to Louie was made by a seven fifty 241 00:23:02.680 --> 00:23:08.400 seven immense bowing American Airlines airliner that they claim was flight seventy seven, and 242 00:23:08.440 --> 00:23:12.799 we'll get into that why it couldn't have been either. But even if it 243 00:23:14.000 --> 00:23:18.359 was at seven fifty seven, the official story claimed that the so called that 244 00:23:18.480 --> 00:23:22.839 it got through the outer wall and then got into the building, and it 245 00:23:22.880 --> 00:23:26.880 went through three rings of the five rings of the Pentagon, just three rings, 246 00:23:27.559 --> 00:23:33.119 and both some little part of the plane. Some people say rum felled. 247 00:23:33.200 --> 00:23:37.160 Secretary of Defense, that the nose. Other people said the kind of 248 00:23:37.240 --> 00:23:42.039 quasi liquid flurry. There have been all kinds of official story, absurd myths 249 00:23:42.240 --> 00:23:47.640 about what created this so called exit hole on the inside of the third ring 250 00:23:47.759 --> 00:23:51.240 of five rings into the Pentagon. But the bottom line is the official story 251 00:23:51.319 --> 00:23:56.960 says a plane made all of that internal damage, went focused nose or some 252 00:23:56.079 --> 00:24:00.720 part of the plane through just through the wall is a third of five rings, 253 00:24:00.799 --> 00:24:06.440 and made a perfectly round, about sixteen foot diameter hole on the inside 254 00:24:06.519 --> 00:24:11.920 is a third ring in that's the official story, Right, you learn that 255 00:24:12.000 --> 00:24:15.480 that cannot be true. You learn that all of those all of that internal 256 00:24:15.559 --> 00:24:21.519 damage paths, You learn the evidence that it was made with preplaced explosives, 257 00:24:22.039 --> 00:24:26.119 that the so called excess hole on the inside of the third ring. The 258 00:24:26.240 --> 00:24:30.559 Sea ring is not from any part of a plane, the Pentagon's own spokesman 259 00:24:32.119 --> 00:24:37.839 said, so said that this was this degree here side outside the so called 260 00:24:37.880 --> 00:24:41.920 exit hole in the Sea ring. Outside the Sea ring is no plane parts 261 00:24:41.960 --> 00:24:47.279 at all, just a Pentagon metal. That's the Pentagon's own spokesperson at their 262 00:24:47.279 --> 00:24:51.599 own press conference on September fifteenth of two thousand and one, a few days 263 00:24:51.640 --> 00:24:56.400 after the attacks. So the bottom line is the real story of the Pentagon 264 00:24:56.759 --> 00:25:03.400 is preplaced explosives that's stimulated for sake, the penetration path inside the building of 265 00:25:03.440 --> 00:25:10.079 a plane can also fake the entrance all and sake. The emotion right and 266 00:25:10.200 --> 00:25:15.200 extremely notable to me because I've looked at this picture of the alleged exit of 267 00:25:15.279 --> 00:25:19.200 the plane, uh, you know, just outside the third ring, and 268 00:25:19.559 --> 00:25:23.000 it speaks to me almost as if it were a you know, an exit 269 00:25:23.240 --> 00:25:26.799 from a bullet, you know, I mean larger scale obviously, but I 270 00:25:26.880 --> 00:25:32.720 mean you almost could not imagine that this was not made by anything other than 271 00:25:32.799 --> 00:25:37.640 a projectile with the way it looks, right, But that's just inconsistent with 272 00:25:37.839 --> 00:25:44.160 reality on many many levels. I mean, how many laws of physics have 273 00:25:44.319 --> 00:25:48.319 to be defied in order for the you know, for the story to to 274 00:25:48.559 --> 00:25:52.839 fit. This is this has always been my question about that, right, 275 00:25:52.400 --> 00:26:00.920 and uh, probably not that absurd a question, right, Hi Chack, 276 00:26:00.039 --> 00:26:03.920 are you there? Ah, you didn't hear me. No, I'm sorry, 277 00:26:03.960 --> 00:26:08.640 I didn't. I lost the connection for about Oh, I'm sorry about 278 00:26:08.640 --> 00:26:12.519 that. What I was saying is that that when I look at in brief, 279 00:26:12.759 --> 00:26:17.519 when I look at a picture of this exit uh, you know, 280 00:26:17.640 --> 00:26:21.640 on the other side of the third ring there, the alleged exit hole of 281 00:26:21.720 --> 00:26:26.359 the plane, right, it speaks to me as almost as if I'm looking 282 00:26:26.480 --> 00:26:33.039 at the exit of a bullet going through a you know, a fairly sturdy 283 00:26:33.119 --> 00:26:37.799 object. Right. Uh, this is what it might resemble like a projectile 284 00:26:37.839 --> 00:26:41.319 had gone through there. But in order for that to happen, there's just 285 00:26:41.640 --> 00:26:45.759 I wind up asking myself the question, how many laws of physics need to 286 00:26:45.799 --> 00:26:51.480 be defied, you know, in order to create this effect? You know, 287 00:26:51.640 --> 00:26:56.799 so curtain is that one of the world's foremost experts on shape charge explosives 288 00:26:57.279 --> 00:27:02.680 that could just stick on the wall, that that so called exit hole of 289 00:27:02.759 --> 00:27:07.119 a plane or part of a plane was made with shape charge explosives put on 290 00:27:07.240 --> 00:27:11.839 the wall to have an opening for clean up personnel to get in find that 291 00:27:12.000 --> 00:27:17.720 a victim from the internal bombs, to get them out, and also to 292 00:27:17.799 --> 00:27:22.640 clean out the debris. And probably the best proof that the official story cannot 293 00:27:22.759 --> 00:27:29.160 be true is that the official story claim that even if it were true that 294 00:27:29.319 --> 00:27:33.920 a seven fifty seven got through the hardened outer wall that had just been hardened 295 00:27:33.240 --> 00:27:37.599 to would stand a terrorist attack just like what the government claims on nine to 296 00:27:37.599 --> 00:27:42.279 eleven got through the outside wall and went through two hundred and eighty five feet 297 00:27:42.359 --> 00:27:48.200 diagonally and somehow made it out of that inner wall of the third ring in 298 00:27:48.319 --> 00:27:55.039 the Sea Ring. Even if that were true, it wouldn't explain the absolute 299 00:27:55.680 --> 00:28:02.519 hard evidence that there were there was massive fires, massive destruction, and dead 300 00:28:02.599 --> 00:28:08.000 bodies on the two rings further in the B ring and even the inside of 301 00:28:08.160 --> 00:28:14.079 the A Ring. So any kinds are gardener can figure out that even if 302 00:28:14.359 --> 00:28:18.000 a plane got through three or five rings, it can't explain the death, 303 00:28:18.079 --> 00:28:22.880 fire destruction in the two rings further in the net. And you see that 304 00:28:22.000 --> 00:28:27.319 for yourself in behind the silk curtains, you certainly do, and that that's 305 00:28:27.400 --> 00:28:30.920 why I pointed it out, you know, and not only that, but 306 00:28:32.039 --> 00:28:34.680 just leading up to the approach to the Pentagon. You see, these are 307 00:28:34.680 --> 00:28:40.640 the questions I've always wanted somebody to answer or to speak about. And like 308 00:28:40.799 --> 00:28:44.160 I said, everybody seems to want to stick to New York City, you 309 00:28:44.240 --> 00:28:48.880 know. But and I do want to have you sort of explain why the 310 00:28:49.079 --> 00:28:56.599 Pentagon is a different target than say, the World Trade Center was, why 311 00:28:56.880 --> 00:29:02.880 there is an added significance to that that happening. I really do want to 312 00:29:02.920 --> 00:29:06.920 hear you speak about that really briefly as well. Then we'll certainly get back 313 00:29:06.960 --> 00:29:11.799 into the you know, the physical evidence and what is obviously eliminated by the 314 00:29:11.839 --> 00:29:17.119 physical evidence itself as well. So yes, well yeah, it's very very 315 00:29:17.160 --> 00:29:21.559 important. In fact, Behind this Folk Curtain begins with the answer to that 316 00:29:22.119 --> 00:29:26.160 last question of yours, because it's so critically important, and that question is 317 00:29:26.799 --> 00:29:33.279 why is the Pentagon? But why is The subtitle of behind the Smoke curtains 318 00:29:33.559 --> 00:29:37.799 The subtitle is what happened in the Pentagon and what didn't and why it matters? 319 00:29:38.599 --> 00:29:45.240 So it matters so greatly because without the Pentagon attack, which was an 320 00:29:45.279 --> 00:29:52.359 attack on an iconic national military facility like the original Pearl Harbor that got US 321 00:29:52.400 --> 00:29:59.480 into World War two. Without an attack on a major national military facility, 322 00:29:59.599 --> 00:30:03.640 or anyth military facility for that matter, it would not have been an act 323 00:30:03.720 --> 00:30:07.920 of war. It would have just been a terrorist attack. It would have 324 00:30:07.960 --> 00:30:14.200 been a bigger World Trade Center attack like the nineteen ninety three World Trade Center 325 00:30:14.240 --> 00:30:18.920 attack. It had already been attacked by bombs in nineteen ninety three, and 326 00:30:19.519 --> 00:30:23.519 that attack was perfectly well handled by the civilian corpse, by the Department of 327 00:30:23.640 --> 00:30:30.759 Justice and the Attorney General in the civilian legal structure of the United States. 328 00:30:30.160 --> 00:30:34.920 That the whole point of the inside job attack of nine to eleven, especially 329 00:30:34.960 --> 00:30:40.000 at the Pentagon, was so that it could be called a war and might 330 00:30:40.119 --> 00:30:45.640 underlying the word war, a war on terror. And in fact, President 331 00:30:45.759 --> 00:30:49.599 Bush, President George W. Bush, in his own memoirs, in his 332 00:30:49.680 --> 00:30:55.559 own biography, and in his speeches when he ran around the country and the 333 00:30:55.680 --> 00:31:02.039 world in Europe talking about his book some years back, he actually stays for 334 00:31:02.119 --> 00:31:06.960 the record that when the first World Trade Center was attacked, like most of 335 00:31:07.039 --> 00:31:08.839 it, he thought it was a terrible pilot, that is an accident. 336 00:31:10.559 --> 00:31:14.640 When the Second World Trade Center was attacked, when Andrew Card whispered in his 337 00:31:14.720 --> 00:31:18.319 ear in the Florida classroom where he was sitting there like a ear in the 338 00:31:18.359 --> 00:31:22.240 headlight while people were jumping to their desks from the towers for another eight or 339 00:31:22.319 --> 00:31:26.759 nine minutes when he was told that the second World Trade Center tower was attacked 340 00:31:26.799 --> 00:31:30.680 in New York City, and we're told Andrew Card whispered in his ear, 341 00:31:30.799 --> 00:31:37.799 America is under attack. He says in his memoirs that he knew that it 342 00:31:37.000 --> 00:31:44.160 wasn't an accident. But he says in his memoirs and his speeches that it 343 00:31:44.400 --> 00:31:51.839 was with the Pentagon attack that I quote knew unquote it was quote war unquote, 344 00:31:52.440 --> 00:31:57.000 And without it being able to be called a war on terror, they 345 00:31:57.079 --> 00:32:05.200 could not have rolled out their global nation agenda. They're police surveillance state in 346 00:32:05.279 --> 00:32:09.079 the United States. They would not have had a pretext in an excuse, 347 00:32:10.200 --> 00:32:13.839 which they did. They used nine to eleven. Most people don't know this 348 00:32:14.480 --> 00:32:20.319 as the excuse in pretext for creating the first ever in our history, in 349 00:32:20.440 --> 00:32:27.440 American history, the first ever combatant command over the mainland United States. It's 350 00:32:27.480 --> 00:32:31.759 called Northcom. All of this was pre planned before nine to eleven. And 351 00:32:31.920 --> 00:32:36.960 what you learn in Behind the Smoke Curtain and why it is so critically important 352 00:32:37.440 --> 00:32:43.720 that the Pentagon attack is the core of the real inside job plots and execution 353 00:32:43.799 --> 00:32:50.000 and cover up of nine to eleven. Is that I proven behind the smoke 354 00:32:50.079 --> 00:32:54.759 curtain because it's also done like at the World Trade Center, with preplaced internal 355 00:32:54.880 --> 00:33:01.880 and external explosive, that it's has to be an inside job. No external 356 00:33:02.039 --> 00:33:07.960 terrorists could ever have had the access to the Pentagon of the United States to 357 00:33:07.160 --> 00:33:14.200 plant explosive in advance and to detonate it in a way that's simulated a plane 358 00:33:14.240 --> 00:33:19.079 penetration set. Okay, So the bottom line is the Pentagon attacked itself. 359 00:33:19.400 --> 00:33:25.599 The United States military intelligence apparatus, each state attacked itself on nine to eleven 360 00:33:25.759 --> 00:33:31.680 at the Pentagon right to roll out its global domination agenda, which is a 361 00:33:31.759 --> 00:33:43.000 military intelligence industrial complex media conflict agenda. Yeah, it becomes hard to simply 362 00:33:43.079 --> 00:33:47.640 call it the military industrial complex anymore because so many different things parallel it and 363 00:33:49.119 --> 00:33:53.599 literally are are vampirically involved with one another at this point, you know. 364 00:33:53.759 --> 00:33:59.920 And also the parallel program of the domestic surveillance and the rise of the police 365 00:34:00.119 --> 00:34:06.960 state are completely intertwined with this that whole agenda. You're absolutely right. I 366 00:34:07.119 --> 00:34:13.400 use a military industrial intelligence complex of the shorthand for all of that. It's 367 00:34:14.320 --> 00:34:21.199 it's basically the elite superstructure of our entire society are complicit in the cover up. 368 00:34:21.320 --> 00:34:23.400 Of course, they didn't do the planning in the execution, but they're 369 00:34:23.760 --> 00:34:30.079 absolutely criminals after the fact, accessories after the factor in the conscious cover up 370 00:34:30.239 --> 00:34:34.280 of the truth about nine to eleven. Well, absolutely, and the fact 371 00:34:34.320 --> 00:34:37.760 that we're talking about a self inflicted wound. Of course, this is very 372 00:34:37.920 --> 00:34:44.639 much like other things that have been admitted to over the years regarding our government's 373 00:34:44.719 --> 00:34:49.960 behavior. You know, I think immediately to the Gulf of Tonk and incident 374 00:34:50.880 --> 00:34:53.800 and what happened there, And that's the context that I use to think about 375 00:34:53.880 --> 00:34:58.440 this is because you know, there are many people that still say, and 376 00:34:58.559 --> 00:35:02.079 although it's beginning to change, there are many people that still say, it's 377 00:35:02.079 --> 00:35:08.119 a ridiculous notion that the United States would stage something or would be involved, 378 00:35:08.280 --> 00:35:14.840 or some elements of our military industrial complex would be involved in staging an incident 379 00:35:15.360 --> 00:35:22.599 in order to create a catalyst that would justify war. I mean, I 380 00:35:22.840 --> 00:35:27.079 don't know how else to put it, but our history is actually replete with 381 00:35:27.199 --> 00:35:30.760 these kind of things. It shouldn't be a big surpresant. It shouldn't be 382 00:35:30.800 --> 00:35:34.320 a big surprise at what. By the way, this, of course nine 383 00:35:34.320 --> 00:35:37.400 to eleven was not a surprise attack, and it was not a terrorist attack. 384 00:35:37.960 --> 00:35:40.480 It was an inside job. So we should stop calling it a terrorist 385 00:35:40.559 --> 00:35:45.239 attack. Okay. Number one, we should stop calling it a war on 386 00:35:45.440 --> 00:35:52.719 terror because all of the wars that were rolled out as a based upon the 387 00:35:52.800 --> 00:35:55.840 pretext of the self attack, especially at the Pentagon on nine to eleven, 388 00:35:57.760 --> 00:36:00.719 I call it a preemptive self attack. It's very much like the Reichstag fire 389 00:36:01.280 --> 00:36:09.159 that Hitler took advantage of to then pass the enabling end that ended up with 390 00:36:09.280 --> 00:36:15.960 the with the horrors of Nazi Germany. Uh the parallel to the Enabling Act 391 00:36:15.039 --> 00:36:21.800 after nine eleven of Christmas, the Patriot Act. And believe it or not, 392 00:36:22.039 --> 00:36:24.480 I've actually read I have to I can't confirm this that I've read at 393 00:36:24.519 --> 00:36:30.400 three places that of all people, Marcus Wolves. The allegation is that Marcus 394 00:36:30.440 --> 00:36:39.159 Wolves, who is the head of the Eastern German Soviet Black intelligence agency throughout 395 00:36:39.199 --> 00:36:45.679 the Cold War, tell light of the law that created the Homeland Security Department 396 00:36:45.719 --> 00:36:52.320 in this country after nine eleven, As you can imagine, well, it's 397 00:36:52.400 --> 00:36:57.920 kind of it's kind of believable considering that the rhetoric is rather similar. When 398 00:36:57.960 --> 00:37:01.000 you translate things from German into English, you know, you find that the 399 00:37:01.199 --> 00:37:07.000 concept of homeland in fact, I mean, that's what I land security, 400 00:37:07.719 --> 00:37:15.679 right, It's it's the same thing. It's identical, right, and I 401 00:37:15.760 --> 00:37:20.360 mean even the terminology being similar, and this concept. I mean, it's 402 00:37:20.400 --> 00:37:24.199 one of those things that disturbs me still that there is a you know, 403 00:37:24.400 --> 00:37:31.239 Department of Homeland Security. I mean, I remember when Tom Ridge was first 404 00:37:31.320 --> 00:37:35.360 made the head of that, and I said to myself, and even at 405 00:37:35.400 --> 00:37:39.360 that time, I wasn't aware of all the inconsistencies and congruities in the nine 406 00:37:39.360 --> 00:37:44.480 to eleven narrative. Okay, i'll call it the nine to eleven narrative. 407 00:37:44.519 --> 00:37:46.800 At this point, I wasn't aware of all that. I was actually very 408 00:37:46.920 --> 00:37:52.639 much on board and believed the mainstream story, okay, for for years afterwards. 409 00:37:53.039 --> 00:37:59.000 Was even caught up in the post nine to eleven uh pseudo patriotic fervor. 410 00:37:59.800 --> 00:38:02.400 Okay. I mean, I'm honest about this. I'm not proud of 411 00:38:02.480 --> 00:38:06.679 it, but I'm honest about this. There were many of us that were 412 00:38:07.599 --> 00:38:10.760 you know, and part of that was the rhetoric. Part of that was 413 00:38:12.519 --> 00:38:19.119 intentional, so that there was a mechanism by which the public would acquiesce two 414 00:38:20.039 --> 00:38:23.920 these new measures, these seemingly, you know, required measures to protect us 415 00:38:23.960 --> 00:38:30.320 from this ever happening again. And this is the justification, This is why 416 00:38:30.519 --> 00:38:34.000 the attitude needed to be taken by so many in the public. Well, 417 00:38:34.079 --> 00:38:37.360 it's okay if they're spying on me, because they're protecting me. It's okay 418 00:38:37.559 --> 00:38:45.280 if we have whole new layers of incompetent security at the airports, because well, 419 00:38:45.440 --> 00:38:47.679 it's for our own good, it's for our own protection. Things like 420 00:38:47.840 --> 00:38:52.519 this. Yeah, it's the classic quote of Gerbels, who was the propaganda 421 00:38:52.360 --> 00:38:57.920 minister in Tsar for Adolf Hitler, that famous quote, which is pretty much 422 00:38:58.039 --> 00:39:00.639 verbatim, where he says, well, you know, it's simple to get 423 00:39:00.679 --> 00:39:02.960 the people to go along with the war. All you have to do is 424 00:39:04.039 --> 00:39:07.039 tell them they're under attack, under external attacks. And the best way to 425 00:39:07.079 --> 00:39:10.960 make them believe they're under external attack is to fake that external attack. And 426 00:39:12.119 --> 00:39:16.679 that's exactly what behind the smoke curtain proved happened at the Pentagon. It is 427 00:39:16.760 --> 00:39:21.239 not a speculation, it is not a theory. It's not even a working 428 00:39:21.599 --> 00:39:28.679 hypothics that's any longer right, And it is absolutely an essential piece of viewing 429 00:39:28.800 --> 00:39:31.880 for anybody listening to us right now. So if you go to YouTube, 430 00:39:31.960 --> 00:39:35.880 you can see it there, but you can also acquire your own copy on 431 00:39:36.440 --> 00:39:40.920 DVD at Amazon dot com and that's all there is to that. You need 432 00:39:42.039 --> 00:39:45.679 to see it again again, the name is behind the Smoke Curtain, or 433 00:39:45.719 --> 00:39:51.679 anybody who wants to see it on YouTuber get the dvd right. I actually 434 00:39:51.760 --> 00:39:55.599 put the cover art in part in the graphic for tonight's show that I released 435 00:39:55.599 --> 00:39:58.519 out. I put that out of Twitter, and by the way, I 436 00:39:58.639 --> 00:40:00.679 want to jump in here and just play now to people. But it wasn't 437 00:40:00.760 --> 00:40:07.159 just the original nine eleven attacks. Many people forget that there were also shortly 438 00:40:07.239 --> 00:40:12.079 after the nine eleven attacks, suddenly there were all these amtracks, letters scare 439 00:40:13.000 --> 00:40:22.400 and the military grade weaponized nano amtracks at a trillion sports per gram. In 440 00:40:22.480 --> 00:40:29.719 the letters that went to Senators Lady and Dashel, who just happened to be 441 00:40:29.880 --> 00:40:36.320 Democrats in not Retublican trade and just happened to be the two senators who were 442 00:40:36.480 --> 00:40:45.800 trying to prevent a more extreme version of the Patriot Act from passing. They 443 00:40:45.039 --> 00:40:52.320 were threatened with death not only of themselves but their entire stats. Full buildings 444 00:40:52.400 --> 00:40:57.639 of Congress had to be shut down. The Supreme Court building was shut down. 445 00:40:59.039 --> 00:41:04.239 Five people died. So we know, by the way, and I'm 446 00:41:04.280 --> 00:41:07.360 going to give you the link, Chuck, to put on your website as 447 00:41:07.400 --> 00:41:12.480 well to a very important article that I've published. It was published on the 448 00:41:13.079 --> 00:41:16.840 front page feature story the Rock Creek Free Press, the independent paper in Washington, 449 00:41:16.960 --> 00:41:22.960 DC, and also it's still up on op EdNews dot com, the 450 00:41:22.039 --> 00:41:30.800 progressive website, journalistic website, and it's called the scarlet A links of Amtrax 451 00:41:31.239 --> 00:41:36.480 to the day of nine to eleven itself. Why is that important? That 452 00:41:36.800 --> 00:41:42.960 is really important because the official story, if you recall, is that those 453 00:41:43.039 --> 00:41:49.000 amtrax letters weren't even mailed until September eighteen, seven days a week after the 454 00:41:49.760 --> 00:41:53.039 kind eleven attacks, even though the date on the letters on the inside was 455 00:41:53.119 --> 00:41:59.119 September eleventh, of all those letters. Okay, so yes, what the 456 00:41:59.280 --> 00:42:01.960 nbcn the scarlet A, which I'll give you the LinkedIn. People need to 457 00:42:02.039 --> 00:42:07.960 read that article for themselves with all the citations and references to see him. 458 00:42:07.360 --> 00:42:14.079 So you can see it all for yourself. What you learn is that there 459 00:42:14.280 --> 00:42:21.000 was an emergency response exercise that was scheduled to begin, according to the official 460 00:42:21.079 --> 00:42:28.320 story, in New York City with the Army with SEMA, with beliefs with 461 00:42:28.480 --> 00:42:34.079 the fireman. It was called TRIPOD two and it was guess what on a 462 00:42:34.320 --> 00:42:44.119 biowarfare scenario. And you will see in the Scarlet Day all of the evidence 463 00:42:44.280 --> 00:42:49.960 that linked the anthrax claims of anthrax to the day of nine to eleven itself. 464 00:42:50.360 --> 00:42:55.519 For instance, Jerry Howard, who had been Juliani's head of his emergency 465 00:42:55.639 --> 00:43:04.920 management office in World Trade Center seven, called and ordered and had delivered ani 466 00:43:05.039 --> 00:43:10.239 Amtrak cipro to the White House on nine to eleven. And you will learn 467 00:43:10.400 --> 00:43:16.920 of a witness who was physically in New York City right by the World Trade 468 00:43:16.960 --> 00:43:22.639 Center too feels as it started to fall, and that huge pyroclastic cloud started 469 00:43:22.679 --> 00:43:28.119 at him down the street, and an angel grabbed him by the arm and 470 00:43:28.920 --> 00:43:32.800 pulled him into a bank building, saved his life. And he looked at 471 00:43:32.840 --> 00:43:38.880 the jacket on this man and he was big letters FBI and this FBI operative 472 00:43:39.119 --> 00:43:47.559 officer agents said as they looked out the window, he said, we meeting 473 00:43:47.599 --> 00:43:53.559 the FBI, were told this was coming down and that it would involve Amtrak. 474 00:43:53.679 --> 00:44:00.800 We're talking about as World Trade Center two was falling. Okay, so 475 00:44:01.039 --> 00:44:05.440 you're going to learn a lot. You're also going to learn that a man 476 00:44:05.559 --> 00:44:10.599 by the name of William Patrick, who was the top by a warfare expert 477 00:44:10.679 --> 00:44:15.519 of the US government. He's now deceased, and he was very much alive 478 00:44:15.599 --> 00:44:21.239 before on an after nine to eleven for a few years, William Patrick add 479 00:44:21.599 --> 00:44:30.000 the private private trade secret through the process to make the one trillion sports program 480 00:44:30.519 --> 00:44:37.119 weaponized antrax powderized antrax that was found in the letters to Senators Lady and Deshel. 481 00:44:37.559 --> 00:44:40.960 You can't get more inside job than that. And as as you know, 482 00:44:43.159 --> 00:44:49.280 the official story even is that a man, this PATSI ball guy named 483 00:44:49.280 --> 00:44:55.119 Bruce Ivans trying to pen antrax and the antrax mailings letter mailings on a dead 484 00:44:55.199 --> 00:45:05.159 man conveniently who couldn't have done it. The government and FBI's official story is 485 00:45:05.280 --> 00:45:08.679 that the ad their official story now and it's a close case. The FBI 486 00:45:08.760 --> 00:45:15.400 says is that it was an inside job that a bio weapons at spurt Bruce 487 00:45:15.440 --> 00:45:20.440 Ivan's from the Army's own lab at Fort Dietrich by a warfare lab did it, 488 00:45:21.159 --> 00:45:23.280 even though we can prove that he couldn't have done it and therefore didn't 489 00:45:23.320 --> 00:45:30.480 do it. The official story is that the Amtrax letters were an inside job 490 00:45:30.960 --> 00:45:37.480 by the army, right, okay. And if by scarlett A linked the 491 00:45:37.719 --> 00:45:40.000 Amtrax that was in the letters to the day of nine to eleven itself, 492 00:45:40.639 --> 00:45:47.800 therefore scarlett A with the inference from scarlett A is that the government by admitting 493 00:45:49.159 --> 00:45:53.000 that the Amtrax letters were an inside job, he's effectively admitting at nine to 494 00:45:53.000 --> 00:45:57.960 eleven was an inside job. Well, right, it's amazing because if it's 495 00:45:58.119 --> 00:46:00.880 if it's part of the same program, Okay, if it is, if 496 00:46:00.960 --> 00:46:06.519 it is a part of the campaign of terror, and one part of it 497 00:46:06.679 --> 00:46:12.280 is an inside job by the United States government, then it logically follows the 498 00:46:12.679 --> 00:46:17.079 entire campaign of terror. Okay, because it was a campaign of terror. 499 00:46:17.199 --> 00:46:22.239 We can't take the world terror away. But because I remember second way, 500 00:46:22.360 --> 00:46:28.400 then track letters were the so called second wave that the perpetrators of nine to 501 00:46:28.440 --> 00:46:34.599 eleven itself used to extort the United States Congress into passing the Patriot Act. 502 00:46:34.960 --> 00:46:39.360 And when the two senators Lady and dashall resisted it, they were sent weaponized 503 00:46:39.480 --> 00:46:50.480 hand tracks letters along with some journalists. Along with the journalists again who right, 504 00:46:50.559 --> 00:46:55.639 who coincidentally were working on pieces that weren't going to be very kind to 505 00:46:55.800 --> 00:47:00.840 the regime and power at the time. Okay, just coincide, Yes, 506 00:47:01.519 --> 00:47:07.280 especially especially Bob Stevenson Florida, who, according to the official story, he 507 00:47:07.480 --> 00:47:10.559 was He was the first person that the mainstream media let us know anyway, 508 00:47:12.199 --> 00:47:17.679 received they believe an antrax letter. He died of inhalation antrax on October fifth, 509 00:47:17.760 --> 00:47:22.199 a, two thousand and one, and the first stories that he was 510 00:47:22.320 --> 00:47:25.760 ill and in the hospital with lung antrax. Inhalation antrax, which is the 511 00:47:25.880 --> 00:47:31.800 deadly variety, unlike skin antrax, isn't as deadly as inhalation or lung antrax 512 00:47:32.119 --> 00:47:36.920 where you breathe it into your lungs. The first stories were on the first 513 00:47:37.039 --> 00:47:39.599 or second of October that he was in the hospital. And guess what, 514 00:47:39.880 --> 00:47:47.599 Chuck, guess what? Guess what dates John U, the infamous John You 515 00:47:49.840 --> 00:47:59.440 of the torture rationale secret memos. Guess what date he wrote his first rationale 516 00:47:59.559 --> 00:48:06.639 memo secret rational memo in the Department of Justice, rationalizing the quote need unquote 517 00:48:07.079 --> 00:48:15.199 to surveil mass surveil all communications of American citizens. That's what date October fourth, 518 00:48:17.400 --> 00:48:24.480 So that the rationale and the fear factor was also used inside the administration 519 00:48:24.639 --> 00:48:32.239 at the highest level to put pressure on officials who weren't at such a high 520 00:48:32.320 --> 00:48:39.000 level they were part of the inside jobbers to actually then roll out these horrendous 521 00:48:39.719 --> 00:48:46.920 new policies, alleged policies that are totally unconstitutional and totally illegal under existing statutes, 522 00:48:47.360 --> 00:48:51.880 against the law of torture. It was at the time against the law 523 00:48:52.679 --> 00:48:57.599 to have any kind of surveillance of the US citizen without an explicit warrant in 524 00:48:57.679 --> 00:49:02.679 advanced by the disccord. You know right, No, you're right. The 525 00:49:02.800 --> 00:49:09.519 whole thing was orchestrated by the same inside cabal that did the actual attacks on 526 00:49:09.639 --> 00:49:14.320 nine to eleven. They did the anthrax attack, They pushed through the patriot 527 00:49:14.360 --> 00:49:19.920 actic and the anthrax letters, and they are continuing to this day to do 528 00:49:20.159 --> 00:49:23.800 folk flag attacks around the world and in the United States. Just so called 529 00:49:23.960 --> 00:49:29.360 maintain the myth of the original nine eleven attack, But it was a terrorist 530 00:49:29.400 --> 00:49:34.320 attack at all. See and also even today what emerged in the news, 531 00:49:35.280 --> 00:49:37.199 I view, even the events of today. And I don't know if you 532 00:49:37.320 --> 00:49:43.239 caught them earlier, but you heard about the Navy yard today. No I 533 00:49:43.320 --> 00:49:46.119 haven't tell me. Okay, Well they're in brief, just to give you 534 00:49:46.199 --> 00:49:50.760 a sort of a vague summary of what happened. There was breaking news all 535 00:49:50.840 --> 00:49:54.840 over the place that there was an attack on the Navy yard in Virginia. 536 00:49:54.920 --> 00:50:00.519 There the same one there where there had been a shooting incident in twenty thirteen. 537 00:50:01.280 --> 00:50:04.800 Well, that's interesting. I was there. I was in the Senate 538 00:50:04.840 --> 00:50:08.920 building that morning there you go, So you know where I'm talking about exactly 539 00:50:09.000 --> 00:50:12.599 the Navy yard. Yet, well, there was supposed to be a live 540 00:50:12.679 --> 00:50:15.239 shooter. People were sheltering in place, they were supposedly getting you know, 541 00:50:15.639 --> 00:50:21.199 something is happening. Of course, this goes right along with the you know, 542 00:50:21.400 --> 00:50:24.960 the idea as of elite that has been you know, constantly pushed by 543 00:50:25.000 --> 00:50:30.079 the mainstream media that you know, we need to be prepared because this fourth 544 00:50:30.159 --> 00:50:34.920 of July, you know, during this holiday weekend, we're going to be 545 00:50:35.599 --> 00:50:39.079 hit with a lot of you know, possible terrorist attacks. Again. Okay, 546 00:50:39.199 --> 00:50:43.000 so be alert, be ready, be ready to see something and say 547 00:50:43.119 --> 00:50:46.079 something. And of course, this whole attack allegedly happened. There's supposed to 548 00:50:46.079 --> 00:50:50.480 be a live shooting event. All of these things happened, breaking news for 549 00:50:50.559 --> 00:50:53.960 a while, and then they came back and said, sorry, we don't 550 00:50:54.000 --> 00:50:58.760 have a shooter. There was no event. You're kidding. That was today. 551 00:50:59.239 --> 00:51:04.440 That was today, Jesus okay, And no, I totally understand. 552 00:51:04.519 --> 00:51:07.719 But you see, what's happening is just like and and a lot of people 553 00:51:07.960 --> 00:51:10.599 don't recall this, and you're gonna have a hard time searching for it, 554 00:51:10.719 --> 00:51:14.360 but I promise you, if you look hard enough, you'll find it. 555 00:51:14.800 --> 00:51:21.320 After the anthrax attacks went public, there were various incidents on local levels all 556 00:51:21.480 --> 00:51:29.599 over the country, hundreds of incidents of people walking into convenience stores and dumping 557 00:51:29.679 --> 00:51:37.719 powder on counters and running away attacks simulated. Yes, yes, ma'am, 558 00:51:37.880 --> 00:51:40.360 all over the I mean, and everywhere. There was practically I don't think 559 00:51:40.360 --> 00:51:45.199 there was a single state that was actually immune. There was hundreds of these, 560 00:51:45.239 --> 00:51:49.559 and there were hundreds of those, you know. And what it does, 561 00:51:49.719 --> 00:51:52.559 though, and what I understand from this, and what I'm seeing emerging 562 00:51:52.760 --> 00:52:00.039 right now as we speak, is an atmosphere that is being promoted to keep 563 00:52:00.119 --> 00:52:06.159 that agenda intact, to keep the need for the war on terror. I'm 564 00:52:06.199 --> 00:52:08.760 holding up quotes here because, first of all, the war on an idea 565 00:52:09.000 --> 00:52:14.840 is kind of counterintuitive in my mind anyway. But that's what they call it. 566 00:52:15.320 --> 00:52:17.760 The war on terror, the war on terrorists, all of that stuff. 567 00:52:17.800 --> 00:52:22.320 You need to be afraid, you understand, because the boogeyman is always 568 00:52:22.559 --> 00:52:28.559 somewhere under somebody's bed in a town near you. Okay, Well, the 569 00:52:28.599 --> 00:52:31.519 Boogeyman on nine to eleven was inside the Pentagon. It was preplaced explosive, 570 00:52:32.039 --> 00:52:36.119 same stories as the World Trade Center. Now, there was a plane at 571 00:52:36.159 --> 00:52:38.000 the Pentagon. I don't want people to think. I don't say there isn't 572 00:52:38.840 --> 00:52:42.960 When you learn in behind the snow curtain, yes there was a plane, 573 00:52:43.639 --> 00:52:49.840 but what you learn is it wasn't ween the official story says it arrived at 574 00:52:49.880 --> 00:52:53.719 the building. It arrived at nine thirty two and thirty second first into a 575 00:52:53.840 --> 00:53:00.559 huge fireball. It was destroyed, exploded, imploded somehow and stopped to be 576 00:53:00.000 --> 00:53:04.239 Pentagon. He in the port Clock, which is a little building outside the 577 00:53:04.320 --> 00:53:07.000 wall, over one hundred feet outside the wall. There was such a huge 578 00:53:07.039 --> 00:53:13.599 explosion that fireball you've seen in those famous five frames of the videos at the 579 00:53:13.679 --> 00:53:19.719 Pentagon that went around the world. That fireball happened at nine thirty two and 580 00:53:19.840 --> 00:53:23.480 thirty seconds and stop the Pentagon heeling port clock over one hundred feet outside the 581 00:53:23.559 --> 00:53:29.440 wall and nine thirty two and thirty seconds freezing the time. So we know 582 00:53:29.800 --> 00:53:32.840 that there was a plane. It was a white plane, according to multiple 583 00:53:32.920 --> 00:53:38.079 witnesses. And no white plane can be any any American Airlines airliner, which 584 00:53:38.159 --> 00:53:45.719 is this signature polished aluminum body that's painted with blue, the parts blue and 585 00:53:45.840 --> 00:53:51.280 red and white. You can't mistake an all white, brilliant white plane for 586 00:53:51.360 --> 00:53:55.559 any American Airline airliner. This plane that came into the Pentagon five minutes and 587 00:53:55.679 --> 00:54:01.960 sixteen seconds before the official story sits like seventy seven was anywhere near Washington, 588 00:54:02.119 --> 00:54:07.559 d seen And it was like seventy five miles still outside of Washington when these 589 00:54:08.000 --> 00:54:14.480 explosions started going off at the Pentagon. And what you learn and smoke curtain 590 00:54:14.559 --> 00:54:17.559 and I give, I give the quotes, and I give the witnesses beginning 591 00:54:17.599 --> 00:54:21.639 with believe it or not. The Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. 592 00:54:22.679 --> 00:54:28.280 The Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff is the highest active duty military officer 593 00:54:28.639 --> 00:54:32.960 in the United States Military is General Hughes Shelton. And when he first arrived 594 00:54:32.960 --> 00:54:37.639 at the Pentagon a little bit after the attacks, in his memoirs, which 595 00:54:37.760 --> 00:54:44.400 is called without Hesitation on page four seventy four, you learned that when he 596 00:54:44.559 --> 00:54:46.960 first got to the Pentagon, as he even got close to the Pentagon in 597 00:54:47.039 --> 00:54:52.440 nine to eleven, not long after the attack, that the smell of cordite 598 00:54:52.639 --> 00:55:00.679 was quote overwhelming unquote. Cordite can never be confused or mistaken or jet fuel 599 00:55:00.760 --> 00:55:04.800 or burning jet fuel. It sounds like gunpowder. It is an explosive. 600 00:55:04.840 --> 00:55:08.039 It's a cool burning explosive, but with a high power, cool burning explosive. 601 00:55:09.079 --> 00:55:13.599 So we know that there were those explosives, and you learn you learn 602 00:55:13.679 --> 00:55:15.599 him so curtained that the so called exit hole on the inside of the sea 603 00:55:15.679 --> 00:55:20.199 ring, allegedly from the nose of a plane or some part of a plane, 604 00:55:20.679 --> 00:55:25.119 was made which shape charge explosive, this special shape charge bomb attached to 605 00:55:25.239 --> 00:55:30.559 the inner wall that went off and made this almost perfectly round, sixteen foot 606 00:55:30.119 --> 00:55:34.119 diameter so called exit hole, which is not an exit hole at all. 607 00:55:35.320 --> 00:55:38.360 So there was a plane at the Pentagon, it didn't come in. When 608 00:55:38.400 --> 00:55:45.639 the official story says much earlier, and it didn't come in where the official 609 00:55:45.679 --> 00:55:51.360 story claims, which was over to the right and on the west wall. 610 00:55:51.559 --> 00:55:55.079 The official story claims it hit a column fourteen in wedge one. Now, 611 00:55:55.159 --> 00:56:00.360 most people think that that wedge one, if they know anything about the pannagone 612 00:56:00.440 --> 00:56:05.519 is the whole west wall. That's not correct. The center line eat each 613 00:56:05.599 --> 00:56:08.599 side, and pentagon's a little over nine hundred feet in lane, so a 614 00:56:08.639 --> 00:56:14.599 little bit over three football fields, right right, if I got that right. 615 00:56:14.960 --> 00:56:17.639 No, let's see three hundred yards right, Well, it's a football 616 00:56:17.679 --> 00:56:22.159 field, chuck, it's a hundred yards one hundred yards yard yeah, okay, 617 00:56:22.400 --> 00:56:25.480 right, so it's three football fields. Each side of the pentagon is 618 00:56:25.559 --> 00:56:30.239 approximately a little bit more than three football fields in lane. And the center 619 00:56:30.360 --> 00:56:36.719 line of each of those five walls on the outside the center line to the 620 00:56:36.840 --> 00:56:40.480 corners are what are called the wedges. So a wedge actually goes from the 621 00:56:40.559 --> 00:56:45.840 center line of one of those walls around the corner of the pentagram to the 622 00:56:45.920 --> 00:56:50.719 center line of the next wall to the right or the left. So wedge 623 00:56:50.800 --> 00:56:54.960 one on nine to eleven, where the official story says Flight seventy seven allegedly 624 00:56:55.079 --> 00:56:59.840 impacted, which it didn't. We proved that in behind the smoke curtain, 625 00:57:00.519 --> 00:57:04.559 that so called impact point is in Wedge one. It's to the right of 626 00:57:04.679 --> 00:57:08.400 that center line. But what you've learned in behind the smoke curtain is that 627 00:57:08.519 --> 00:57:14.960 all of this plaine debris from this plane that that exploded or imploded or was 628 00:57:15.199 --> 00:57:19.400 hit by a missile er in some way was actively destroyed at nine thirty two 629 00:57:19.400 --> 00:57:22.960 and thirty seconds over five minutes before light seventy seven, with anywhere close to 630 00:57:23.079 --> 00:57:29.199 Washington that that happened way and left Wayne North along the wall outside of Wedge 631 00:57:29.239 --> 00:57:34.079 two to the left to that center line. And there were even explosions that 632 00:57:34.199 --> 00:57:39.360 went off inside Wedge two in the outer ear ring at nine thirty one of 633 00:57:39.440 --> 00:57:45.960 them stopped. Probably the most famous Pentagon eyewitness is April Gallup. She's very 634 00:57:45.039 --> 00:57:50.840 famous for those who know anything about the Pentagon attack. And April Gallup was 635 00:57:50.880 --> 00:57:54.119 almost killed with her infant son who was in a stroller by her desk on 636 00:57:54.320 --> 00:58:00.719 nine eleven, and the explosion by her desk covered her. Many other people 637 00:58:00.800 --> 00:58:04.199 killed a lot of people that luckily didn't kill her or her infant son, 638 00:58:04.559 --> 00:58:07.280 he was about three months old. Then she managed to get out with him 639 00:58:07.440 --> 00:58:15.480 swum over her shoulder, and that explosion by her stopped her wrist watch at 640 00:58:15.559 --> 00:58:20.079 nine thirty, so we have the time of that explosion. To the best 641 00:58:20.119 --> 00:58:22.960 of our knowledge, the first interior explosion at the Pentagon was at nine thirty. 642 00:58:23.719 --> 00:58:29.360 Then there was a plane, white plane that came in because it's quite 643 00:58:29.400 --> 00:58:32.079 couldn't have been any American Airlines plane, let alone at seven fifty seven. 644 00:58:32.159 --> 00:58:37.440 Let alone Slight seventy seven, which was allegedly of seven fifty seven. It 645 00:58:37.599 --> 00:58:40.639 came in at nine thirty two and thirty seconds, exploded her imploded by the 646 00:58:42.119 --> 00:58:46.360 external building called the Heleport Firehouse, stopped the Helport Firehouse clock at nine thirty 647 00:58:46.400 --> 00:58:52.000 two and thirty seconds, over five minutes before the official stories of flight seventy 648 00:58:52.039 --> 00:58:54.920 seven hits one D twenty two hundred and fifty feet further right along the wall, 649 00:58:55.000 --> 00:59:00.480 which of course it didn't. So you learned against curtain that the real 650 00:59:00.559 --> 00:59:06.679 story at the Pentagon is like at the World Trade Center. The story at 651 00:59:06.719 --> 00:59:08.760 the World Trade Center, we now know the real story, the real narrative 652 00:59:08.880 --> 00:59:14.519 is what really happened is, yes, there were planes, but the plane 653 00:59:14.760 --> 00:59:20.079 to the World Trade Center, just like the plane at the Pentagon was just 654 00:59:20.400 --> 00:59:30.159 the prescripted staged cover story cover clause or the external preplaced and internal preplaced explosives 655 00:59:30.559 --> 00:59:32.960 that then went off. And the proof of that at the World Trade Center 656 00:59:34.079 --> 00:59:38.199 that not too many people know outside of aficionados in the nine eleven truth movement 657 00:59:38.239 --> 00:59:45.559 this is incredibly important, is that there were massive basement level explosives. There 658 00:59:45.559 --> 00:59:49.760 were six levels under both the ground level, under the ground level of both 659 00:59:49.840 --> 00:59:53.880 World Trade Center Towers one and two, deep down under both of those towers, 660 00:59:55.199 --> 01:00:04.159 in one case fourteen seconds and in another case seventeen seconds before their respective 661 01:00:04.280 --> 01:00:10.519 planes hit dozens and dozens and dozens of floors way up high. Massive explosions 662 01:00:10.599 --> 01:00:17.039 went off first in the basement. And because once the basement explosions go off, 663 01:00:19.320 --> 01:00:22.760 if you figure the speed of those planes according to the official story going 664 01:00:22.840 --> 01:00:28.159 like five hundred and fifty miles an hour they claim, just do the mass, 665 01:00:28.840 --> 01:00:32.199 you will see that they were something like a mile out when those basement 666 01:00:32.280 --> 01:00:38.199 explosions went off, which meant that if they were really being controlled by hijacker 667 01:00:38.320 --> 01:00:43.239 pilots, something could have gone wrong, if they were really under the control 668 01:00:43.400 --> 01:00:46.239 of a real outside terrorists, and it could have missed the towers, right, 669 01:00:46.920 --> 01:00:52.360 that they hipped the towers. And what that proves, it proved any 670 01:00:52.440 --> 01:01:00.760 jury would would decide with the evidence, it proves that whoever pre placed the 671 01:01:00.000 --> 01:01:04.800 deep basement explosives in World Trade Centers one and two, and there would debasement 672 01:01:04.840 --> 01:01:08.559 explosions explosives in the other other World Trade Center buildings as well, but focusing 673 01:01:08.599 --> 01:01:14.800 on World Trade Center one and two, it proves to any jury that whoever 674 01:01:15.239 --> 01:01:21.039 replaced these massive explosives in the deep basements of World Trade Center Towers one and 675 01:01:21.119 --> 01:01:24.400 two had to have been in control of the plane because they could not afford 676 01:01:24.800 --> 01:01:30.840 to already have these massive basement explosions go off which is gonna gonna destroy the 677 01:01:30.960 --> 01:01:37.400 tower alone, without also being in control of the plane, which had to 678 01:01:37.480 --> 01:01:42.480 be the cover story for the setting off the controlled demolition explosives above the ground 679 01:01:42.559 --> 01:01:47.360 level, right. And it puts into context the testimony of William Rodriguez, 680 01:01:49.239 --> 01:01:53.440 absolutely the most important witness as the World Trade Center. I call I called 681 01:01:53.519 --> 01:01:57.960 him the April Gallup of the World Trade Center, and I call April Gallup 682 01:01:58.039 --> 01:02:01.239 the Willie Rodriquez of the Pentagon, and they really are. April is actually 683 01:02:01.280 --> 01:02:08.599 I think the the original source that I gathered the concept that cordite was present. 684 01:02:12.280 --> 01:02:15.320 Yeah, that's where I first heard it from. To be honest with 685 01:02:15.400 --> 01:02:21.440 you, until I had watched some of your presentation, I wasn't aware of 686 01:02:21.679 --> 01:02:24.639 the you know, the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff making a statement 687 01:02:24.679 --> 01:02:29.519 about it. I that had completely missed me, to be honest with you, 688 01:02:30.000 --> 01:02:32.840 But I do remember you would have had to have read, Uh it's 689 01:02:32.880 --> 01:02:39.079 a huge book up to page four hundred seventy four. Well there you go. 690 01:02:39.440 --> 01:02:45.119 But but April April and Willie Rodriguez. Yeah, that's perfect symmetry between 691 01:02:45.159 --> 01:02:47.760 the two of them. But Willie's the whole thing about the explosions below him, 692 01:02:47.840 --> 01:02:52.000 which he was aware of. And uh, you know, some people 693 01:02:52.039 --> 01:02:55.440 tried to justify it as you know, the explosions of you know, the 694 01:02:55.599 --> 01:03:00.440 generators, the generators and all this other stuff. But that's kind of ridiculous 695 01:03:00.559 --> 01:03:07.400 considering one problem, and that is it happened before Okay, so it happened 696 01:03:07.480 --> 01:03:13.639 before the planes yet in both colors, So you're not gonna you're not going 697 01:03:13.679 --> 01:03:17.280 to coincidentally have a generator going on the basement of both colored Uh, you 698 01:03:17.360 --> 01:03:22.480 know, sixteen minutes apart, right, and and the thing is, and 699 01:03:22.559 --> 01:03:24.840 some people said, well, you know the amount of time that really represents 700 01:03:24.880 --> 01:03:29.800 there. You've got to understand something. When you're involved in a situation like 701 01:03:30.079 --> 01:03:36.280 that, your concept of time changes based on your your brain chemistry. This 702 01:03:36.480 --> 01:03:40.320 is something I've learned over the years, okay, regarding eyewitness testimony, is 703 01:03:40.400 --> 01:03:44.599 that in some cases, very much in the way I can relate it to 704 01:03:44.679 --> 01:03:49.480 somebody out there who's never been in a high stress situation like this is if 705 01:03:49.480 --> 01:03:53.639 you've ever been in a car accident, okay, a lot of times at 706 01:03:53.679 --> 01:03:58.519 the moment if you see it coming and everything else, a lot of detail 707 01:03:59.000 --> 01:04:01.400 ends up being retained in your mind. You see things fly off the dashboard 708 01:04:01.440 --> 01:04:05.039 and all these other things that really happened in the fraction of a second, 709 01:04:06.039 --> 01:04:11.519 right, Okay, slowed down like slow motions, or it can be not 710 01:04:11.679 --> 01:04:15.559 all. No, it can be. It's not. Nothing is an exact 711 01:04:15.639 --> 01:04:18.440 science when it comes to individual human brains. But what I'm saying is it 712 01:04:18.599 --> 01:04:26.679 sort of explains the sort of minor discontinuity because the way Willie describes it is 713 01:04:26.800 --> 01:04:30.639 you have a certain amount of time there, but his concept of time is 714 01:04:30.719 --> 01:04:33.440 going to be a bit askew okay, well, but he was really close. 715 01:04:33.599 --> 01:04:38.599 Luckily, we don't have to rely on just Lilli Rodriquez. And by 716 01:04:38.639 --> 01:04:42.639 the way, they're almost two dozen under eye witnesses who experience the same thing 717 01:04:43.360 --> 01:04:47.079 that he took their names to. The nine to eleven psician gave testimony behind 718 01:04:47.119 --> 01:04:55.480 closed doors and you know, classified testimony. His testimony was too massive explosives 719 01:04:55.960 --> 01:05:00.480 intervas of the World Trade Center one where he was at the first SA level 720 01:05:00.519 --> 01:05:04.639 on nine eleven was x which was not in the nine hundred commission report. 721 01:05:04.840 --> 01:05:10.159 But all of course because they could not, it does not support it totally 722 01:05:10.280 --> 01:05:14.400 destroys the officially of what happened in the World Shade Center towers. But what 723 01:05:14.480 --> 01:05:16.519 I was going to say is we don't even have to rely upon his testimony, 724 01:05:17.159 --> 01:05:20.320 even though it's pretty accurate, because we have the seismic record, which 725 01:05:20.400 --> 01:05:27.679 is a hard piece of scientific evidence, and it's that seismic record that shows 726 01:05:27.760 --> 01:05:33.000 that there were these massive underground explosive events. In the first case, fourteen 727 01:05:33.079 --> 01:05:38.320 seconds before World Trade Center one was hit up above way you know, one 728 01:05:38.400 --> 01:05:43.000 hundred floors or so above ninety some flords above and for World Trade Center two, 729 01:05:43.039 --> 01:05:47.400 about sixteen minutes later fourteen seconds or seventeen seconds different for that one, 730 01:05:47.760 --> 01:05:53.920 and literally estimated the difference between the deep basement level explosion in World Trade Center 731 01:05:54.000 --> 01:05:58.679 one and the impact above that he also heard and felt was about eight to 732 01:05:58.800 --> 01:06:01.760 nine seconds. So we close. Oh no, I'm not saying that he 733 01:06:02.039 --> 01:06:05.400 wasn't. What I'm saying is when people say that there's a minor discontinuity, 734 01:06:06.000 --> 01:06:12.199 and his testimony is extremely accessible. That's why I point to it. But 735 01:06:12.840 --> 01:06:15.920 it's not simply an eyewitnesses testimony that I would rely upon. But the fact 736 01:06:16.119 --> 01:06:24.039 is that it's corroborated all over the place and most notably, very very much 737 01:06:24.199 --> 01:06:28.760 exercised from the nine to eleven Commission report. I don't think we've actually seen, 738 01:06:30.159 --> 01:06:32.559 you know, a formal record of his testimony been released to the public 739 01:06:32.760 --> 01:06:36.719 yet. No, it has not. No, it has not, even 740 01:06:36.760 --> 01:06:40.320 if they took it. I mean, we don't even know that they made 741 01:06:40.320 --> 01:06:44.079 a record of it, but they told them that they did. You're absolutely 742 01:06:44.159 --> 01:06:46.960 right, and most people don't know that there's a classified version of the nine 743 01:06:46.960 --> 01:06:53.960 to eleven Commission report. They're classified staff reports. There were eight different staff 744 01:06:54.039 --> 01:07:00.480 subcommittees, Investigative Subcommittee, under Philip Delico, who Phillip Delico is the executive 745 01:07:00.519 --> 01:07:04.440 director of the so called investigation. I put that in quote, the cover 746 01:07:04.559 --> 01:07:11.360 up of nine eleven, and we now know that he wrote the detailed outline 747 01:07:11.440 --> 01:07:15.800 for the entire so called findings of the nine to eleven Commission report over a 748 01:07:15.920 --> 01:07:21.039 year before they even started their investigation. Well, you know, and and 749 01:07:21.519 --> 01:07:25.719 people hate when I do this, but when you look at the Warren Commission 750 01:07:26.519 --> 01:07:31.280 and you take a look at the sub investigations that were created immediately around it, 751 01:07:32.199 --> 01:07:34.639 uh, you know, because now we have access to a lot of 752 01:07:34.719 --> 01:07:38.480 that stuff, including executive sessions and things. Of course, you know, 753 01:07:38.559 --> 01:07:43.159 half a century later does this a lot of good. But the fact is 754 01:07:43.280 --> 01:07:47.719 that they had a predetermined conclusion in mind, and that was easy to witness. 755 01:07:47.800 --> 01:07:53.639 I often say that that the nine to eleven Commission learned from the Warren 756 01:07:53.679 --> 01:07:59.800 Commission, because the Warren Commission released twenty six volumes and all sorts of inconsistent, 757 01:08:00.159 --> 01:08:04.519 congruous evidence, But the nine eleven Commission only gave us the one very 758 01:08:04.679 --> 01:08:11.199 heavily redacted volume to peruse for the public, and that was it, you 759 01:08:11.280 --> 01:08:16.319 know, So the the absolute proof with both the Warren Commission, of course, 760 01:08:16.479 --> 01:08:20.479 and the nine eleven Commission that in the case of the nine eleven fion 761 01:08:20.960 --> 01:08:27.439 Philip Selco, the so called executive director, who was you know, had 762 01:08:27.479 --> 01:08:36.840 written books with Condeliza Rice Bush's National security advisor, was her special aid plant 763 01:08:36.840 --> 01:08:41.800 a potentiary when she went to the State Department and Secretary of State. They 764 01:08:41.920 --> 01:08:47.079 had worked on the George Bush Senior campaign and in the George Bush Senior administration 765 01:08:47.359 --> 01:08:54.520 in the nineties. So having Philip Vellico as the so called head the executive 766 01:08:54.560 --> 01:08:58.600 director of the nine eleven Commission was the same as putting condolisa Ris or Dick 767 01:08:58.720 --> 01:09:01.560 Cheney or George W I should charge of the nine eleven Commissions. Of course, 768 01:09:01.640 --> 01:09:03.800 it was going to be a cover up, and it was. It 769 01:09:03.960 --> 01:09:09.920 was. It was basically written by the White House before it even began. 770 01:09:11.000 --> 01:09:15.680 And the proof that it was an inside job and all these sought people in 771 01:09:15.760 --> 01:09:20.279 the White House were part of the inside job at the very highest level is 772 01:09:20.359 --> 01:09:28.600 that Philip Veliko's story in his narrative, the official narrative in the nine to 773 01:09:28.600 --> 01:09:32.600 eleven Commission report not put out for another four years. It's the same narrative 774 01:09:32.960 --> 01:09:40.279 that was put out by administration spokespers for quote who did it, unquote I 775 01:09:40.439 --> 01:09:44.600 e. Al Qaeda and Bin Lauden while the towers were still burning, and 776 01:09:44.720 --> 01:09:49.359 before either one of them had fallen. That put out by the perpetrators themselves 777 01:09:49.439 --> 01:09:56.119 on national television live while the towers were still smoking, right, and and 778 01:09:56.359 --> 01:10:00.680 honestly, the only way that that could happen in real time is a matter. 779 01:10:04.000 --> 01:10:08.840 You know, it explains itself. The fact is you have a prepared 780 01:10:09.000 --> 01:10:13.159 statement because you know an event is going to come to pass. Okay, 781 01:10:14.039 --> 01:10:16.760 That's all there is to it. I mean, I don't know how much 782 01:10:16.840 --> 01:10:21.680 more simply to put it that you have to form. It's proven the nine 783 01:10:21.760 --> 01:10:28.560 eleven Truths movement has proven at nine to eleven all aspects, World Trade Centers 784 01:10:28.600 --> 01:10:31.119 one and two in the Pentagon was a self attack. There self attacks. 785 01:10:31.159 --> 01:10:34.800 They were inside jobs at the at the World Trade Centers one, two and 786 01:10:34.920 --> 01:10:42.439 seven. They were actually a huge insurance scam by Larry Silverstein and his co 787 01:10:42.640 --> 01:10:46.600 investors, a huge insurance scam where he put in a one hundred and fifty 788 01:10:46.640 --> 01:10:51.119 million or something to get the least shortly without six months or so before six 789 01:10:51.199 --> 01:10:57.239 weeks before nine to eleven, and then turns that into billions of dollars of 790 01:10:57.319 --> 01:11:02.760 insurance payments. After the terrorist attack, and literally just before nine to eleven, 791 01:11:03.399 --> 01:11:10.399 he actually was negotiating and negotiated with his insurance companies to change to have 792 01:11:10.520 --> 01:11:14.840 a new writer on his insurance policy for the towers, touch that if they 793 01:11:14.880 --> 01:11:19.239 were hit twice, it would be considered a double terrorist attack and he would 794 01:11:19.279 --> 01:11:26.039 get double the money. If you can imagine, he's from your evidence of 795 01:11:26.119 --> 01:11:30.119 fore knowledge and complicity than that by Larry Silverstein, who is the outright owner 796 01:11:30.159 --> 01:11:35.159 of World Trade Center seven and still is right. And he was also attempted 797 01:11:35.279 --> 01:11:45.279 afterwards to seek you know, remuneration for two separate incidents regarding but I just 798 01:11:45.399 --> 01:11:48.359 did yeah, even after though, I mean you were saying that he had 799 01:11:48.359 --> 01:11:54.760 attempted to put that into place as a rider beforehand, but afterwards he did 800 01:11:54.960 --> 01:11:58.560 put it in place just before as a writer. Oh okay, he did, 801 01:11:58.640 --> 01:12:01.239 all right. I did not understand that part. I only knew that 802 01:12:01.319 --> 01:12:05.720 he had that he had sought you know, that shit. He did that 803 01:12:05.840 --> 01:12:09.840 in the court cases. I understand it having read it. You know, 804 01:12:10.079 --> 01:12:14.560 it's a lot of legal ease. But in the media reports after the court 805 01:12:14.600 --> 01:12:19.000 case, signing because the argument, of course in the case, he was 806 01:12:19.159 --> 01:12:23.199 arguing, no, these are really two Sepate terrist attacks, two plane, 807 01:12:23.640 --> 01:12:27.199 I get double the money, and the other side, the insurance companies, 808 01:12:27.239 --> 01:12:30.720 of course, were saying, no, this is a unitary attack with two 809 01:12:30.800 --> 01:12:34.800 planes. So that was the argument in the court, and the judge came 810 01:12:34.840 --> 01:12:40.159 down in the middle. Yeah, that's what I understood. They didn't give 811 01:12:40.239 --> 01:12:43.279 him exactly what he wanted, but they gave him more than give him all 812 01:12:43.359 --> 01:12:47.119 that he wanted. That he turned about one hundred and fifty million into billions 813 01:12:47.760 --> 01:12:51.439 almost over night. Well, and at the end of the day, a 814 01:12:51.560 --> 01:12:58.279 lot of people made their fortunes from what ensued after nine to eleven. I 815 01:12:58.359 --> 01:13:02.479 mean, you know, it's we don't even have the time to uh to 816 01:13:02.760 --> 01:13:08.279 you know, give give people the entire pedigree of the of the fortune's made 817 01:13:09.039 --> 01:13:13.039 based on this and based on the ensuing war on terror. Again holding up 818 01:13:13.039 --> 01:13:16.920 air quotes for you at home. Uh you know that that that ensued afterwards. 819 01:13:21.039 --> 01:13:27.760 Hello, Oh you're having trouble hearing me? Hello? Hello? Oh 820 01:13:27.840 --> 01:13:30.640 yeah I can hear you. I lost you there for a sex Yeah, 821 01:13:30.680 --> 01:13:32.680 I'm sorry, I don't know. I think you're having a little trouble with 822 01:13:32.760 --> 01:13:36.319 your signal. But uh, it's okay, I'm back. Maybe I just 823 01:13:36.720 --> 01:13:42.439 tell the phone a little. I do want to mention the emergency response exxercizes 824 01:13:42.920 --> 01:13:46.279 on nine to eleven on hijack scenarios that many people don't know about. Ah, 825 01:13:46.399 --> 01:13:49.960 yes, please do, because this this is also one of those things. 826 01:13:50.159 --> 01:13:53.880 See. I do want to get back to the anthrax attacks, but 827 01:13:53.960 --> 01:13:58.199 I do want you to go right, okay, because the thing is this, 828 01:13:58.800 --> 01:14:02.279 it has been re presented as nearly you know, separate incidents, and 829 01:14:02.479 --> 01:14:05.119 like you said, if you take a look at the dates, it just 830 01:14:05.840 --> 01:14:10.920 follows logically that it is actually part of the same event. And since it's 831 01:14:10.960 --> 01:14:15.279 been admitted to as an inside job, essentially, I mean, if it 832 01:14:15.439 --> 01:14:19.319 is again part of the same agenda, if it is part of the same 833 01:14:19.439 --> 01:14:26.399 campaign, you would assume that that means that the whole thing is an inside 834 01:14:26.479 --> 01:14:30.600 job, and that means that really the anthrax attacks are not a separate incident 835 01:14:30.720 --> 01:14:36.319 whatsoever. They're just the continuation of the campaign of terror, and it is 836 01:14:36.359 --> 01:14:40.119 a terror campaign. I don't want to take that out of the equation, 837 01:14:40.960 --> 01:14:46.359 however, you know, because because it did terrorize the population in general. 838 01:14:46.880 --> 01:14:50.920 Okay, there was a serious paranoid and like I said, those other residual 839 01:14:51.000 --> 01:14:58.800 events. But the fact that that is not even addressed anymore is no longer 840 01:14:58.920 --> 01:15:01.000 part of the discussion. I mean nine to eleven is you know, seen 841 01:15:01.079 --> 01:15:06.079 in retrospective all the time. Of course, you know, it's always about 842 01:15:06.119 --> 01:15:11.560 the guys with the box cutters on the airliners that you know that caused us 843 01:15:11.640 --> 01:15:15.520 to ever after engage in longer conflicts than Vietnam in the Middle East. But 844 01:15:17.319 --> 01:15:23.439 they'd never it seems, except for maybe with an honorable mentioned sort of go 845 01:15:23.600 --> 01:15:28.840 into the anthrax attacks, right, you know, and well, there's good 846 01:15:28.880 --> 01:15:31.920 reasons for that. I'd like to say what that is, please, Yeah. 847 01:15:31.960 --> 01:15:39.960 The reasons for that is when when real scientists got a hold of the 848 01:15:40.079 --> 01:15:45.359 antrax that was in the letters to Lahey and Nashville especially, they were the 849 01:15:45.439 --> 01:15:50.079 weaponized one, the ones that won Trillion Spores program, and they were powderized. 850 01:15:50.239 --> 01:15:55.119 They were dry antrax, and they were weaponized so that there was the 851 01:15:55.319 --> 01:16:00.479 static electricity type of an effect that kept the spores from sticking together, so 852 01:16:00.680 --> 01:16:04.239 that when the envelope was opened, they would literally fly out like a gas 853 01:16:04.399 --> 01:16:09.840 and you would inhale them and you would die. Okay, THESEUS weaponized handtracks. 854 01:16:11.359 --> 01:16:15.640 The reason that they had. They were forced to say that Brusivan, 855 01:16:16.159 --> 01:16:20.720 an army by a warfare expert, an inside job person, did them. 856 01:16:21.000 --> 01:16:25.680 That's the official story right now by the FBI and the government. They were 857 01:16:25.760 --> 01:16:30.560 forced to do that when real scienceists got ahold of that weaponized vantrax and started 858 01:16:30.640 --> 01:16:38.520 describing it, because you know, outside terrists has the capability. It requires 859 01:16:38.840 --> 01:16:44.680 a team of people, it requires millions, hundreds of millions of dollars worth 860 01:16:44.840 --> 01:16:50.119 of extremely advanced equipment and laboratories to create this stuff, this weaponized sandtracks, 861 01:16:50.159 --> 01:16:56.319 the one trillion forced program of powderized weaponized band tracks. So they were forced 862 01:16:56.880 --> 01:17:00.880 to say that it was some kind of military abilities that created it. But 863 01:17:01.000 --> 01:17:05.840 they conveniently blamed it on a dead man, didn't They conveniently blamed it on 864 01:17:05.920 --> 01:17:13.640 a dead man in order to point the finger away from the real United States 865 01:17:13.760 --> 01:17:18.600 military intelligence lab that did do it. And that's the Tell Memorial Institute in 866 01:17:18.720 --> 01:17:26.159 Ohio and Dugway Proving Grounds in Utah, the Army's bioweapons testing, development and 867 01:17:26.279 --> 01:17:31.039 Testing center. That's where the finger points to the actual antrax in those letters. 868 01:17:31.520 --> 01:17:36.960 Okay, so that uds Bruce Ivan as a file guy and a papsy 869 01:17:38.319 --> 01:17:44.000 to point the finger away from the real inside job antracks creators and nailers, 870 01:17:44.279 --> 01:17:48.359 which we've proven could not have been. Thus Ivan's because for eachrich where he 871 01:17:48.479 --> 01:17:54.399 worked, only work first of all, with liquid antrax. It doesn't work 872 01:17:54.439 --> 01:17:58.319 at always powdered or dry an tracks at all, which is what was in 873 01:17:58.359 --> 01:18:02.399 the letters, right, And I mean and and just to to really just 874 01:18:02.640 --> 01:18:05.039 I know it sounds like I'm beating on this topic a little bit, but 875 01:18:05.119 --> 01:18:10.399 the fact is that this is not a matter of just making something into a 876 01:18:10.520 --> 01:18:18.319 powder. It gains certain properties which make it really efficient as a weapon. 877 01:18:19.319 --> 01:18:25.079 This is something I mean weaponized. It doesn't just mean that it can be 878 01:18:25.239 --> 01:18:30.520 used as a weapon. It means that it's specific characteristics are by design so 879 01:18:30.760 --> 01:18:32.840 that like you were describing, you know, it automatically goes into like a 880 01:18:32.960 --> 01:18:38.199 gaseous sort of form. They're not wasting this stuff. It's you know, 881 01:18:38.319 --> 01:18:42.800 and and it does take a very particular set of knowledge. You're not going 882 01:18:42.920 --> 01:18:45.960 to be able to, you know, do this in your chemistry set at 883 01:18:46.000 --> 01:18:50.239 home kind of thing. You know, by continuously grinding and whailah, you've 884 01:18:50.279 --> 01:18:54.880 come along with, uh, you know, anthrax even if you can get 885 01:18:54.920 --> 01:18:58.840 your hands on it, that's right, that that will do the people, 886 01:18:58.880 --> 01:19:02.720 don't You probably saw this only about a month ago, maybe a little less 887 01:19:02.800 --> 01:19:06.319 even, But believe it or not, a man by the name of Richard 888 01:19:06.439 --> 01:19:13.840 Lambert, who was the head, the chief, the head of the FBI's 889 01:19:14.239 --> 01:19:20.039 entire so called anthrax investigation for four years, has gone public now as a 890 01:19:20.119 --> 01:19:25.960 whistleblower in a court case. And I will send you the link to his 891 01:19:26.159 --> 01:19:29.720 filing in a couple of New York Times front page articles about it that you 892 01:19:29.800 --> 01:19:31.720 can post. But the bottom line is, the man who was in charge 893 01:19:31.760 --> 01:19:38.840 of the entire so called FBI anthrax investigation for almost half a decade has just 894 01:19:39.079 --> 01:19:44.279 about a month ago, gone public saying you could read it from yourself between 895 01:19:44.319 --> 01:19:47.720 the lines that it's screamed between the lines of his actual court filing, Bruce 896 01:19:47.800 --> 01:19:51.199 Ivan didn't do it, could not have done it. And believe it or 897 01:19:51.239 --> 01:19:58.000 not, it's been his filing that the FBI director and the people above him, 898 01:19:58.520 --> 01:20:02.960 even above the head of the end investigation in the FBI itself, withheld 899 01:20:03.399 --> 01:20:13.840 from him the fact that they the FBI lab had found DNA on the envelopes 900 01:20:14.920 --> 01:20:20.199 and withheld the analysis of the DNA also from the head of the FBI Zone 901 01:20:20.239 --> 01:20:28.840 investigation, in order obviously to enable them to blame the patsy pu Siben conveniently 902 01:20:28.880 --> 01:20:33.399 a dead man, right, it would be rare, very inconvenient, okay, 903 01:20:33.560 --> 01:20:39.439 to have some dispositive proof that was, you know, scientifically irrefutable, 904 01:20:39.800 --> 01:20:44.319 so of course it would need to be withheld. That's that's you know, 905 01:20:45.039 --> 01:20:47.680 one oh one on how you do these things. You can't set up a 906 01:20:47.760 --> 01:20:54.119 patsy and then allow information to leak that would, you know, be completely 907 01:20:54.479 --> 01:21:00.760 counterintuitive to having him be the guilty party. So that's exactly what Richard Lambert 908 01:21:00.800 --> 01:21:04.760 has just done, four years ahead of the SBI Zone antrax quote investigation unquote 909 01:21:04.800 --> 01:21:10.039 has just filed with the court a very evidence and your listeners can read that 910 01:21:10.159 --> 01:21:13.239 on your website. I'll send to the link. Oh I'm going to I'm 911 01:21:13.319 --> 01:21:15.359 going to have to make sure I put that out there because I wasn't aware 912 01:21:15.359 --> 01:21:19.760 I had heard about it. But but yeah, please all these links. 913 01:21:19.840 --> 01:21:26.079 I will definitely make sure to package them alongside of this show because and then 914 01:21:26.159 --> 01:21:29.359 before we get off the antrax check, I just want to remind people that 915 01:21:29.720 --> 01:21:31.840 what was it only two or two and a half weeks ago or three of 916 01:21:31.920 --> 01:21:38.720 the most that we learned in banner headlines around the country, that Dugway Proving 917 01:21:38.840 --> 01:21:46.199 Ground, the Army's biowarfare Tests and Development Center in Utah so called quote accidentally 918 01:21:46.359 --> 01:21:56.239 unquote set live am flax through the mail through FedEx to something like twenty for 919 01:21:57.399 --> 01:22:00.960 US laboratories live amtrax. This is within the last month or so. Yeah. 920 01:22:01.039 --> 01:22:08.479 Oops, you know, it was just a mistake of some sort apparently 921 01:22:08.560 --> 01:22:14.159 that they Yeah, but it doesn't wash that it was an error. No, 922 01:22:15.359 --> 01:22:20.520 administrative Look, the administrative restrictions on doing stuff like that at a facility 923 01:22:20.840 --> 01:22:27.600 like that are such that if anything a mistake might be made where things are 924 01:22:27.640 --> 01:22:30.800 not being sent to their proper places, you're not going to accidentally disseminate something, 925 01:22:31.319 --> 01:22:36.600 especially as volatile as anthrax. Uh, you know, in as irresponsible 926 01:22:36.680 --> 01:22:44.199 a manner as is alleged to have happened here without a whole lot of things 927 01:22:45.800 --> 01:22:49.600 being intentionally to have been orchestrated. Yeah, the good news is there there 928 01:22:49.760 --> 01:22:57.119 is a potential good news explanations for that. For those live anthrax mailings. 929 01:22:57.439 --> 01:23:00.319 This is just one scenario that it was the first thing that came into my 930 01:23:00.399 --> 01:23:05.640 mind. As you know, jay TELM is coming up, and that's a 931 01:23:06.399 --> 01:23:13.680 huge exercise in the whole southwestern United States from Texas all the way to California. 932 01:23:14.479 --> 01:23:16.560 I believe it starts around the fifteenth of this month, doesn't it, 933 01:23:16.680 --> 01:23:21.720 Chuck, Yeah, around the fifteenth of this month, and it goes for 934 01:23:21.800 --> 01:23:25.760 about a month I believe, or a little bit maybe three weeks or something. 935 01:23:26.279 --> 01:23:30.479 Anyway, jay TELM is coming up, and it is a you could 936 01:23:30.520 --> 01:23:35.479 call it an emergency response exercise. Well, when you have an emergency response 937 01:23:35.520 --> 01:23:40.279 exercise, you have to have somebody pretending to be a bad guy, right, 938 01:23:41.159 --> 01:23:44.600 you have to have somebody being the red team pretending to be the enemy 939 01:23:45.199 --> 01:23:51.119 doing something some kind of an attack. Well, I believe that jade Helm 940 01:23:53.479 --> 01:23:57.399 was going to be on an antrak scenario, amongst others, possibly an antrax 941 01:23:57.520 --> 01:24:02.560 attack, and that some people on the side sabotaged that being turned into a 942 01:24:02.680 --> 01:24:09.359 live turning the drill into a live event. And the way they did that 943 01:24:10.279 --> 01:24:16.399 was to preempt it. They pre empted it possibly by tending out by sending 944 01:24:16.439 --> 01:24:23.600 out amtrax live amtrax that they knew it wasn't deadly enough to cause any real 945 01:24:23.680 --> 01:24:27.960 problem, and then they leaked it themselves to the media because it was trumpeted 946 01:24:28.039 --> 01:24:30.359 everywhere, so you know, it was an official story. They didn't try 947 01:24:30.399 --> 01:24:34.199 to hide it, didn't they They trumpeted it. And so they trumpet that 948 01:24:34.279 --> 01:24:41.439 this live amtrax went out and that it came from Dugway proving ground, so 949 01:24:41.680 --> 01:24:45.640 that if somebody on the inside of Jade hemm wanted to pull a nine to 950 01:24:45.680 --> 01:24:54.479 eleven and make a so called emergency response exercise in quote Schlow live into an 951 01:24:54.520 --> 01:25:00.279 actual attack like Captain at the Boston Marathon in nine to eleven and any other 952 01:25:00.560 --> 01:25:05.239 many other examples, all they would have to if that happened. They were 953 01:25:05.319 --> 01:25:11.520 just letting, letting the insiders know that Dugway would be blamed, and they 954 01:25:11.560 --> 01:25:15.039 didn't want Dugway in the army to be blamed. So that's now not going 955 01:25:15.159 --> 01:25:18.319 to happen, at least not that scenario. Well, that's that's a really 956 01:25:18.439 --> 01:25:24.159 fascinating, uh you know, hypothesis. Uh. And that does lead us 957 01:25:24.279 --> 01:25:28.880 right back into the discussion about the exercises because you mentioned them, but I 958 01:25:28.920 --> 01:25:31.239 sort of cut you off to go into the anthrax discussion, and we've we've 959 01:25:31.279 --> 01:25:35.600 got about a half hour left, which I think is fair to give representation 960 01:25:35.800 --> 01:25:42.439 to the concept of these exercises, which you know turned into the live event 961 01:25:42.720 --> 01:25:47.680 on September eleven, two thousand and one. All right, again, coincidentally 962 01:25:47.920 --> 01:25:54.159 there goes those air quotes again. But coincidentally, you know, see these 963 01:25:54.760 --> 01:26:00.920 scenarios that allegedly occurred sound rather familiar, don't they. Yeah, so people 964 01:26:01.000 --> 01:26:06.840 need to know that it is now acknowledged, not just proven, which we've 965 01:26:06.880 --> 01:26:13.119 done. My own research was the first, but then it's been taken up 966 01:26:13.159 --> 01:26:16.960 by other nine eleven researchers, and now it's been acknowledged. Number one, 967 01:26:17.760 --> 01:26:23.640 that the Air Force that nora ED, which is an Air Force agency NORAD, 968 01:26:23.800 --> 01:26:28.359 is the agency that was supposed to scramble fighter jets and didn't for over 969 01:26:28.479 --> 01:26:30.760 an hour and fifteen minutes on nine eleven. Right, so all those attacks 970 01:26:31.119 --> 01:26:36.840 went forward without any scramble jets stopping them or even going on their winnings and 971 01:26:38.560 --> 01:26:42.960 telling them to layouts. Okay, nothing done that happened. So that's nora 972 01:26:43.079 --> 01:26:47.880 ED and all three attacked locations on nine to eleven, New York City, 973 01:26:48.960 --> 01:26:54.079 Pennsylvania and the Pentagon. They're all in what's called the Northeast sector of Norad. 974 01:26:54.800 --> 01:27:00.199 So it has now been acknowledged, acknowledged in print by the man who 975 01:27:00.319 --> 01:27:04.479 was the commander, the operational commander of Norah Northeast Sector. They call that 976 01:27:04.600 --> 01:27:10.960 knead to any Ads Norah Northeast Sector on nine to eleven. His name is 977 01:27:11.279 --> 01:27:15.359 Colonel Bob Marr, could have been Lieutenant Colonel Bamar anyway, Robert Marr. 978 01:27:15.479 --> 01:27:20.800 Bob Marr. He has acknowledged in a book called Touching History by Lynn Spence. 979 01:27:23.039 --> 01:27:26.800 It's in the first part of the book, in the about pages twenty 980 01:27:26.880 --> 01:27:30.479 three to twenty seven something like that. You can get that book, and 981 01:27:30.039 --> 01:27:34.439 she interviews Bob Mar and he acknowledged that on the morning of nine to eleven 982 01:27:34.880 --> 01:27:42.000 is Norah and Northeast Sector was running, planning to run, and started a 983 01:27:42.279 --> 01:27:47.560 hijack scenario exercise. And I put exercise in quotes now, because what happened 984 01:27:48.600 --> 01:27:54.720 when the actual attack started happening in New York City the first one World Pid 985 01:27:54.760 --> 01:28:00.560 Center one, then World Place Center two. When those information about that was 986 01:28:01.680 --> 01:28:10.359 was called in from FAA to Nora and Northeast Sector. The people who answered 987 01:28:10.399 --> 01:28:14.479 the phone at Bob Mars Nora and Northeast sector on the morning of nine to 988 01:28:14.479 --> 01:28:19.720 eleven, thought it was part of the exercise and therefore delayed their response. 989 01:28:19.800 --> 01:28:25.600 They were confused, and why were they confused? They were confused because the 990 01:28:25.760 --> 01:28:30.800 exercise was on the FRIGAN almost identical scenario as the actual attacks. That's not 991 01:28:30.920 --> 01:28:35.960 a coincidence. And what you're learning behind the smoke curtain is that I personally 992 01:28:36.119 --> 01:28:42.079 interviewed at the Naval Postgraduate School as the Senior Military Affairs Journal was there. 993 01:28:42.399 --> 01:28:45.880 I believe it was two thousand and eleven. In any case, it tim 994 01:28:45.960 --> 01:28:48.359 smoke curtain, the date, the time, and I published it on add 995 01:28:48.520 --> 01:28:57.600 website Defense Department official website. I interviewed Richard Clark, who was George Bush 996 01:28:57.640 --> 01:29:04.520 and CONDOLISA Condelisa rices so called counter terrans channel terrorisms are in the National Security 997 01:29:04.560 --> 01:29:09.079 Council in the White House on nine to eleven, and he told me, 998 01:29:09.359 --> 01:29:14.439 and I published it on adiode website that quote this is an exact ravative quote. 999 01:29:15.319 --> 01:29:25.680 So White House approved and approved, advanced approved all major exercise scenarios unquote. 1000 01:29:27.079 --> 01:29:31.159 That means that Condolis arise almost certainly Dick Cheney, because he had been 1001 01:29:31.199 --> 01:29:35.800 put in charge of counter terrorism response by President Bush on May eighth to two 1002 01:29:35.840 --> 01:29:39.840 thousand and one. So that has to mean that Vice President Cheney, at 1003 01:29:39.880 --> 01:29:44.520 a very minimum, National Security Advisor Condolisa. Rice, and Richard Clark himself, 1004 01:29:44.920 --> 01:29:50.960 the White House counter Terrorisms are knew that there were potjact scenario exercises taking 1005 01:29:51.039 --> 01:29:58.840 place on the morning of nine to eleven, which puts the complete and total 1006 01:29:59.279 --> 01:30:04.680 lie to Condeliza Rice going on TV and saying, we just couldn't have imagined 1007 01:30:04.720 --> 01:30:13.239 the planes being used as weapons. She had advanced approved a hijack scenario exercise 1008 01:30:13.399 --> 01:30:17.000 on the scenario of a hijack planes attacking the World Trade Center towers. She 1009 01:30:17.119 --> 01:30:23.279 knew that exercise was going forwards on the morning of nine to eleven. He 1010 01:30:23.880 --> 01:30:29.760 committed the most unbelievable lies in the face of the American people and the Congress 1011 01:30:29.880 --> 01:30:32.600 of the United States. That is imaginable. And so did President Bush. 1012 01:30:34.000 --> 01:30:39.640 Right, Let's not limited to Condeliza Rice. Okay, because not Ari Fleischer, 1013 01:30:39.880 --> 01:30:45.439 Ari Fleischer, Donald Rumspelled, Dick Cheney, George W. Bush himself, 1014 01:30:45.680 --> 01:30:50.359 and Condoliza Rice come to my memory immediately, all making similar statements. 1015 01:30:50.960 --> 01:30:56.880 Not I said also the President, Yes, I mentioned of Vice President Cheney 1016 01:30:57.199 --> 01:31:00.640 that's the whole high command, the whole high man were running, had pre 1017 01:31:00.800 --> 01:31:08.199 approved and we're running those exercises which then were taken quote live unquote, they 1018 01:31:08.199 --> 01:31:15.960 were turned into actual attacks, right exactly. But the concept that they tried 1019 01:31:15.000 --> 01:31:19.880 to sell to the American people that it was a complete surprise, It was, 1020 01:31:20.439 --> 01:31:26.159 you know, an unimaginable scenario. No one imagined. I think she 1021 01:31:26.279 --> 01:31:30.039 said, no one would have imagined, no one could have imagined. And 1022 01:31:30.159 --> 01:31:33.760 even the nine to eleven Commission itself, its bottom line and its final conclusion 1023 01:31:33.960 --> 01:31:42.479 was it was a failure of imagination, but a bunch of full I'm sorry, 1024 01:31:43.000 --> 01:31:45.880 right, no, but this is what we call a blood libel on 1025 01:31:46.000 --> 01:31:50.720 a geopolitical scale. Right, I'm very, very sick of the failures anyway, 1026 01:31:51.039 --> 01:31:56.199 because a failure of imagination, a failure of intelligence, a failure of 1027 01:31:56.880 --> 01:32:01.159 no Actually, what it is is a failure on the parts of the individuals 1028 01:32:01.239 --> 01:32:09.000 in charge to understand that. It is entirely transparent to anyone who is paying 1029 01:32:09.039 --> 01:32:14.239 attention that there is no failure here. This is intentional. This is why 1030 01:32:15.039 --> 01:32:18.560 it is brutally obvious that it is a self inflicted wound, an inside job. 1031 01:32:19.000 --> 01:32:23.960 However, it is you want to codify exactly the nature of the operation. 1032 01:32:24.479 --> 01:32:28.840 The bottom line is there was pre knowledge. There is absolutely no question 1033 01:32:29.000 --> 01:32:32.760 of that. There is too much evidence to the contrary when it comes to 1034 01:32:32.840 --> 01:32:40.399 the concept, the remotely flimsy concept that this was some sort of shocking surprise 1035 01:32:40.520 --> 01:32:46.760 to the nation Okay, to its intelligence assets, to its law enforcement assets, 1036 01:32:46.840 --> 01:32:51.159 and even to the very executives in charge of those assets. I mean, 1037 01:32:54.600 --> 01:32:58.199 I do want to say this because it's critically important. There's something your 1038 01:32:58.239 --> 01:33:02.640 listeners can do bring legal accountability to the real perpetrators of nine to eleven at 1039 01:33:02.680 --> 01:33:06.760 least the beginning of the process. And some of you, some of your 1040 01:33:06.800 --> 01:33:13.920 listeners may already know this, but they're the first investigation, official investigation by 1041 01:33:13.960 --> 01:33:17.600 the US government. It was in fact by the House Intended Intelligence Committee, 1042 01:33:18.079 --> 01:33:23.920 and they finished their report in two thousand and two, or they started in 1043 01:33:24.000 --> 01:33:28.119 two thousand and two, probably anyway, they finished their report before the nine 1044 01:33:28.159 --> 01:33:33.159 to eleven Commission even began. And there is an entire chapter twenty eight pages 1045 01:33:34.039 --> 01:33:41.520 of the Joint House Senate Intelligence Committee investigative report on the nine to eleven attacks 1046 01:33:42.239 --> 01:33:47.600 that to this day is still classified and locked away by order of former President 1047 01:33:47.680 --> 01:33:53.800 George W. Bush. And the reason ives still classified is because we know 1048 01:33:54.600 --> 01:33:59.640 from one of the men who wrote it, the former chairman of the Senate 1049 01:33:59.680 --> 01:34:02.960 Intel Religence Committee, former Senator Bob Brahm, has gone public and told this 1050 01:34:03.199 --> 01:34:09.840 that it points the finger directly at Saudi Arabia as the chief financer of the 1051 01:34:10.119 --> 01:34:15.199 alleged ficheckers. Okay, so what people can do, what they what we 1052 01:34:15.359 --> 01:34:19.800 need people to do is to go to this website. It's called www dot 1053 01:34:21.119 --> 01:34:29.399 HR fourteen dot org. So that's HR fourteen dot org and you go there 1054 01:34:29.439 --> 01:34:33.439 and right at the top there's you can click on a link or an icon 1055 01:34:34.119 --> 01:34:43.720 to sign the Root Action petition called the Roots Action Petition calling on your members 1056 01:34:43.800 --> 01:34:50.319 of Congress and the Senate to sign to sign on to HR fourteen, which 1057 01:34:50.520 --> 01:34:57.319 is a bill that now has some fourteen or fifteen co sponsors representatives in Congress 1058 01:34:58.119 --> 01:35:02.920 who are demanding that these twenty eight classified pages finally be released, which will 1059 01:35:03.000 --> 01:35:09.640 open Pandora's box because it will point the fingers at the Saudis as the chief 1060 01:35:09.680 --> 01:35:15.359 dinn and spears of the height alleged shijackers. But here's the rub Chuck, 1061 01:35:15.840 --> 01:35:18.479 this is what I like about this. The real reason I want those twenty 1062 01:35:18.520 --> 01:35:25.960 eight pages released is because the hijackers didn't do it. We can prove that, 1063 01:35:26.880 --> 01:35:32.079 so the Saudis once that comes out, that information will be made part 1064 01:35:32.199 --> 01:35:40.000 of the evidence by thousands of nine eleven victims family members whose case against the 1065 01:35:40.119 --> 01:35:45.319 Saudis has been allowed to go forward. And the only way the Saudis will 1066 01:35:45.319 --> 01:35:47.760 be able to defend themselves is to point the finger where it really belongs, 1067 01:35:47.840 --> 01:35:57.359 and that's at bush any on the Lisa Rice from self well this by and 1068 01:35:57.800 --> 01:36:02.760 Pearl and Company. So it's really important for people to go to www dot 1069 01:36:03.079 --> 01:36:09.479 h R fourteen dot org and click at the top to sign the Roots Action 1070 01:36:09.600 --> 01:36:14.560 that's r OOK s ac P I O N dot org the Roots Action petition. 1071 01:36:15.279 --> 01:36:18.560 Just sign it, take you thirty seconds. And we need to get 1072 01:36:18.600 --> 01:36:23.880 a thousand signatures. We're now up to a little under five hundreds. We 1073 01:36:24.000 --> 01:36:30.279 need a thousand signatures for Roots Action, which is was co founded by David 1074 01:36:30.359 --> 01:36:34.000 Swanson who's a major anti war activist as you know, and journalists, and 1075 01:36:34.199 --> 01:36:39.079 we need a thousand petitions signatures, so we need double what we now have 1076 01:36:39.359 --> 01:36:44.640 about and then Roots Action will make it an official petition drive and it can 1077 01:36:44.720 --> 01:36:49.439 take off. So please everybody go to www dot hr fourteen dot org, 1078 01:36:50.079 --> 01:36:56.479 click at the top on the roots Action petitions links or icon and just sign 1079 01:36:56.560 --> 01:37:00.520 that petitions. Please and tell your friends, Tell of all your friends, 1080 01:37:00.560 --> 01:37:03.079 all your lists, all your Facebook all your Twitters to do the same thing. 1081 01:37:04.039 --> 01:37:08.239 For sure. Well that'll be that'll be the first thing that I put 1082 01:37:08.319 --> 01:37:12.680 out as soon as we're done speaking here, right, And I'll tell you, 1083 01:37:13.119 --> 01:37:16.319 I'll tell you. The thing is, I don't hold my breath regarding 1084 01:37:16.439 --> 01:37:19.159 thinking that this is going to get us the truth. I've got it. 1085 01:37:19.199 --> 01:37:24.199 I've got to be honest. It won't right, but it will open. 1086 01:37:24.359 --> 01:37:28.119 It will be the camel's nose in the tin to forcing the Sudies to point 1087 01:37:28.159 --> 01:37:30.560 the fingers where it's along. We'll see. That's the thing is, if 1088 01:37:30.760 --> 01:37:38.359 they wind up being held, you know, liable for all sorts of interesting 1089 01:37:38.560 --> 01:37:41.560 intrigues, they're going to have no choice unless well you know who knows. 1090 01:37:41.640 --> 01:37:44.640 Do you think that they might actually just pay it off and be done with 1091 01:37:44.720 --> 01:37:48.600 it. No, No, the victims' fanily members won't be bribed, you 1092 01:37:50.319 --> 01:37:54.479 now see. And I'm and I'm hoping not because when I watch a guy 1093 01:37:54.600 --> 01:37:59.479 like Bob McIlvain speak, okay, which is another gentleman I would love to 1094 01:37:59.680 --> 01:38:02.079 have a conversation with on this show. But I'll put him, I'll put 1095 01:38:02.159 --> 01:38:05.960 him in touch with you. He's a friend of mine, absolutely excellent. 1096 01:38:06.000 --> 01:38:10.680 I would definitely love to give him a forum and to speak with him. 1097 01:38:11.079 --> 01:38:15.079 But when I watch a gentleman like him speak and say from the bottom of 1098 01:38:15.119 --> 01:38:21.159 his heart that he wishes to devote the rest of his life to make him 1099 01:38:21.199 --> 01:38:27.800 sure that the truth emerges regarding the murder of his son, uh you know 1100 01:38:28.199 --> 01:38:31.680 it is not only the truth emerging, but legal accountability for the real perpetrators 1101 01:38:32.159 --> 01:38:35.359 that that too. Yes, Uh, you know when when I when I 1102 01:38:35.520 --> 01:38:42.199 see that, though, I know that just by my own secondary observation, 1103 01:38:43.359 --> 01:38:46.680 I'm looking at somebody who's not looking for a payoff. I know I'm looking 1104 01:38:46.760 --> 01:38:53.399 at somebody who legitimately wants an answer, which you know, excuse my French 1105 01:38:53.520 --> 01:38:57.880 here, but he damn well deserves and that's all there is to it. 1106 01:38:58.680 --> 01:39:01.760 Okay. By way, I should point out to people we started I think 1107 01:39:01.800 --> 01:39:08.239 you started out the show before I came on, letting people know about another 1108 01:39:08.359 --> 01:39:12.119 information product that I put out last year for the nine to eleven anniversary, 1109 01:39:12.560 --> 01:39:15.840 and Richard Gage, the founder of the and head of Architects and Engineers for 1110 01:39:15.960 --> 01:39:20.239 nine to eleven Truth, announced it at ground Zero last year on September eleven, 1111 01:39:20.600 --> 01:39:24.560 and I'll be with him at ground zero again this year on the anniversary. 1112 01:39:26.000 --> 01:39:30.920 Last year, we rolled out the nine eleven Museum Virtual Walking Tour, 1113 01:39:31.680 --> 01:39:38.399 which is opened and closed by none other than Bob McIlvaine who lost his son 1114 01:39:38.479 --> 01:39:44.680 Bobby in World Trade Center one. So everybody really need to see both behind 1115 01:39:44.800 --> 01:39:48.000 the smoke curtain on YouTube. It's also available on Amazon as a DVD. 1116 01:39:48.640 --> 01:39:54.039 But the walking tour is just on YouTube, and it's the nine Flash, 1117 01:39:54.359 --> 01:39:59.119 so nine Flash eleven, nine to eleven Museum Virtual Walking Tour that's opened and 1118 01:39:59.279 --> 01:40:04.680 closed by a powerful passionate called by Mob McElvane who lost his son on nine 1119 01:40:04.720 --> 01:40:10.039 to eleven in World Trade Center one. A call for the truth and for 1120 01:40:10.159 --> 01:40:15.359 everyone to watch the nine to eleven Museum Virtual Walking Tour. And the reason 1121 01:40:15.520 --> 01:40:20.520 for that is that this walking tour on YouTube. If you can't get to 1122 01:40:20.640 --> 01:40:25.800 ground zero for heaven takes for sure, to watch it, and watch it 1123 01:40:25.880 --> 01:40:30.319 anyway if you've been to Ground zero or you're going, because it uses the 1124 01:40:30.600 --> 01:40:36.319 actual exhibit items, photographs of the actual exhibit items that are in the physical 1125 01:40:36.840 --> 01:40:43.840 nine to eleven museum at ground zero, to prove that the official story that 1126 01:40:43.960 --> 01:40:47.840 the museum is trying literally to cast in stone is a lie. It uses 1127 01:40:47.880 --> 01:40:54.079 their own exhibit items prove their line inside their own museum at ground zero. 1128 01:40:54.439 --> 01:40:57.720 And let me add this, because I sat and I watched it just earlier 1129 01:40:57.800 --> 01:41:01.640 today to make sure it was fresh in my mind. This is an amazing 1130 01:41:01.720 --> 01:41:06.960 piece of work, even the audio without the video. Okay, I am 1131 01:41:08.199 --> 01:41:11.279 very much imagine. I'm sure this was the intention. So I'm not telling 1132 01:41:11.319 --> 01:41:15.520 you anything you don't know, but for the listener's sake, you take this 1133 01:41:15.680 --> 01:41:17.520 thing and you have it on your phone, whether you download it or you 1134 01:41:17.640 --> 01:41:20.239 pick it up from YouTube, however it is, you grab it, have 1135 01:41:20.399 --> 01:41:28.119 it ready and go if you're going to go there, because the reality, 1136 01:41:29.119 --> 01:41:33.560 okay, of exactly how the manipulation is being done right in front of your 1137 01:41:33.640 --> 01:41:39.640 eyes is given to you in an audio form, even if you don't watch 1138 01:41:39.760 --> 01:41:42.760 it, and you listen to it that way, But do do watch it. 1139 01:41:42.880 --> 01:41:45.600 I guarantee you if you just watch it, even if you're not going 1140 01:41:45.760 --> 01:41:48.720 to the memorial there in New York City, even if you just watch it, 1141 01:41:48.840 --> 01:41:51.520 because you can't make it to wherever you are, you know, to 1142 01:41:51.560 --> 01:41:55.600 New York City. By the way, Chuck, it's been tested. You 1143 01:41:55.680 --> 01:42:00.159 can watch it both the video I am here the audio seven stories Underground in 1144 01:42:00.199 --> 01:42:03.159 the museum itself the ground eero oh Okay. I wasn't aware of that because 1145 01:42:03.199 --> 01:42:06.319 I haven't tried to get myself. But what I'm telling you is that this 1146 01:42:06.720 --> 01:42:12.000 is a remarkable piece. It is absolutely excellent, and I'll tell you what. 1147 01:42:12.119 --> 01:42:15.439 I'm actually going to point it at a couple of other people who do 1148 01:42:15.640 --> 01:42:18.279 some production, because I want them to use it as an example for the 1149 01:42:18.359 --> 01:42:23.479 nonsense that goes on with the Civil Rights Museum in Memphis, Okay, and 1150 01:42:23.880 --> 01:42:29.359 also with the school Book Depository, the sixth Floor Museum and JFK, the 1151 01:42:29.439 --> 01:42:33.640 official JFK Live Museum. Exactly. I think that both of those things deserve 1152 01:42:34.119 --> 01:42:43.159 a video presentation just like this. Absolutely and absolutely anybody who who really knows 1153 01:42:43.359 --> 01:42:46.760 the truth about the JFK assassination. And I believe there's an alternative, smaller 1154 01:42:46.880 --> 01:42:54.880 museum. They're also in Dallas. They could easily do a school book Depository 1155 01:42:55.039 --> 01:43:00.880 jfk Assassination virtual walking tour that people could open up and have on their smartphones 1156 01:43:00.920 --> 01:43:08.319 while they're going through the actual official live museum at UH in Dallas. Yes, 1157 01:43:08.399 --> 01:43:11.399 they could, right, and but I don't know if they'll be able 1158 01:43:11.439 --> 01:43:14.680 to do as good a job. But the concept is amazing. Who came 1159 01:43:14.760 --> 01:43:18.960 up with the concept of doing that? Do you know? Well, if 1160 01:43:19.000 --> 01:43:21.960 you want, if you want God's truth, it came from the force, 1161 01:43:24.319 --> 01:43:27.359 It came from a very high place. It was a vision, it was 1162 01:43:27.479 --> 01:43:30.039 a it was a I woke up one morning knowing it had to be done, 1163 01:43:30.359 --> 01:43:34.039 and I did it. I did it single handedly. It's it's an 1164 01:43:34.039 --> 01:43:38.600 amazing piece of work. And uh, you know not not not to say 1165 01:43:38.680 --> 01:43:41.000 that a lot of the other things that I've seen you do, including that 1166 01:43:41.119 --> 01:43:45.159 presentation in Seattle, which we were talking about and is also available on YouTube. 1167 01:43:45.800 --> 01:43:50.239 Uh really, honestly, I've never seen anything come out where you're discussing 1168 01:43:50.399 --> 01:43:56.760 anything. Uh, giving a presentation of any sort that isn't isn't remarkable, 1169 01:43:56.840 --> 01:44:03.800 honestly, But these two things are extremely important bookends. If you don't do 1170 01:44:04.000 --> 01:44:08.479 anything else based on this show, I mean, I do do advise you 1171 01:44:08.560 --> 01:44:13.520 to go and visit HR fourteen dot org. Take a look at that, 1172 01:44:13.720 --> 01:44:17.359 because the more of the nonsense that can be exposed, the more obvious it 1173 01:44:17.399 --> 01:44:23.359 will become to everyone what's actually happened. But right, But the point of 1174 01:44:23.439 --> 01:44:30.880 these other things here are also remarkable and extremely well done. Uh. They're 1175 01:44:30.960 --> 01:44:33.119 the type of thing that you can show to the uninitiated. They're the type 1176 01:44:33.159 --> 01:44:39.680 of thing that you can use for someone who is unconvinced by any You can 1177 01:44:39.760 --> 01:44:42.960 hold house parties. You don't have to do this publicly. You can have 1178 01:44:43.119 --> 01:44:47.159 your friends and family over in your living room and you could order the DVD 1179 01:44:47.680 --> 01:44:51.439 of Behind the Smoke Curtain, pop it into your DVD player, or you 1180 01:44:51.520 --> 01:44:58.119 could just play it on you know, on your large screen laptop and you 1181 01:44:58.239 --> 01:45:03.600 can have popcorn, and you can educate people in house parties in your right 1182 01:45:03.720 --> 01:45:11.720 and extremely accessible information and durant sign that Roots Action petition. That's the most 1183 01:45:11.840 --> 01:45:16.479 important thing that you learn all about the twenty eight pages in the campaign by 1184 01:45:16.600 --> 01:45:23.119 the nine oleven Truth Movement nationwide and worldwide to get those pages finally declassified. 1185 01:45:23.439 --> 01:45:26.479 You learn that as a website as well, but asurant sign that Roots Action 1186 01:45:26.560 --> 01:45:30.960 petition as soon as you can everybody. Oh no, absolutely, I'm saying 1187 01:45:30.199 --> 01:45:33.439 these are these are the three bullet points that I want to push on this 1188 01:45:33.560 --> 01:45:39.119 show right now, is these three things HR fourteen dot org. Take a 1189 01:45:39.199 --> 01:45:45.239 look out at sign the petition because again, getting the rest of the ridiculousness 1190 01:45:45.399 --> 01:45:49.479 out will cause them to have to answer it. Okay, So that's what 1191 01:45:49.600 --> 01:45:55.079 the point of that is. The Other thing is that these two presentations behind 1192 01:45:55.119 --> 01:45:59.760 the smoke curtain, as well as the Virtual Walking Tour, which is out 1193 01:45:59.800 --> 01:46:04.039 on YouTube and a couple of different places, but it's very easy to find. 1194 01:46:04.279 --> 01:46:08.560 Just nine to eleven Virtual Walking Tour. You'll recognize it. No. 1195 01:46:09.600 --> 01:46:14.199 Nine to eleven Museum Virtual Walking Tour. Excuse me, thank you, nine 1196 01:46:14.199 --> 01:46:17.479 to eleven Museum Virtual Walking Tour. And you'll know you're in the right spot 1197 01:46:17.600 --> 01:46:23.680 because at the very beginning that it is introduced by Bob McIlvaine, who we 1198 01:46:23.800 --> 01:46:28.439 did discuss here briefly. And I'm telling you this guy you will recognize him 1199 01:46:28.479 --> 01:46:30.640 from a couple of other documentaries, a couple of other shorts on the subject, 1200 01:46:30.720 --> 01:46:39.880 etcetera, etcetera. I'm telling you that this is different from what you're 1201 01:46:39.960 --> 01:46:45.000 normally going to run into. It's extremely well done and puts into context the 1202 01:46:45.159 --> 01:46:50.880 actual evidence that they are showing you to support the official line. Okay, 1203 01:46:51.159 --> 01:46:55.640 you can set you also get to go into tours if you are on the 1204 01:46:55.720 --> 01:47:00.760 inside of the actual museum ground zero right. It even actually explains exactly how 1205 01:47:00.800 --> 01:47:03.079 you enter, what the security measures are, the escalators, where they are, 1206 01:47:03.319 --> 01:47:09.159 everything. So, yes, it is literally a virtual chore in and 1207 01:47:09.279 --> 01:47:13.800 of itself. But if you're going to go there physically, absolutely you need 1208 01:47:13.880 --> 01:47:17.039 it loaded into your phone or if you still have an iPod or something else 1209 01:47:17.079 --> 01:47:20.600 you can carry in your pocket, stick your earbuds in and listen to it 1210 01:47:20.760 --> 01:47:25.560 as you observe things. And they even give it a pot so also also 1211 01:47:25.680 --> 01:47:29.640 look at it before you go, and then also bring it up when you 1212 01:47:29.760 --> 01:47:33.199 go in. Yeah, yes, absolutely, Barbara. You know, I 1213 01:47:33.439 --> 01:47:39.119 we're running low on time, so you know, and I do appreciate the 1214 01:47:39.800 --> 01:47:43.239 fact that you've spent this time with me today. It was kind of on 1215 01:47:43.760 --> 01:47:48.399 relatively short notice. But but I'm telling you it's just I'm happy. I'm 1216 01:47:48.439 --> 01:47:53.359 happy to do it, Chuck anytime, any time at all, and I 1217 01:47:53.479 --> 01:47:56.560 look forward to being on other shows that you can get me on as well 1218 01:47:56.600 --> 01:48:00.800 that we dispen Oh, absolutely, and we're going to visit this topic and 1219 01:48:01.319 --> 01:48:04.439 as well as a couple of others, uh, you know, when when 1220 01:48:04.520 --> 01:48:11.600 you have time, because it is just it's an amazing thing to take a 1221 01:48:11.680 --> 01:48:19.079 look at what has been utilized to make certain things become reality in this world. 1222 01:48:19.359 --> 01:48:25.119 And the fact that we now live in the Homeland era, the fact 1223 01:48:25.159 --> 01:48:28.720 that we now live in an era where our longest you know, standing war 1224 01:48:28.880 --> 01:48:31.840 in my lifetime, uh, you know, and many of the people that 1225 01:48:31.880 --> 01:48:36.760 are hearing me, the longest standing war is on an ideology and based on 1226 01:48:38.399 --> 01:48:45.680 many fictional events, okay that were misrepresented. And check it's much longer than 1227 01:48:45.760 --> 01:48:49.359 either World War line and World War two exactly. And but I mean, 1228 01:48:49.439 --> 01:48:54.439 I'm just stating for my lifetime. I mean I observed Vietnam. I observed, 1229 01:48:54.960 --> 01:48:59.439 you know, briefly. I observed you know, little minor incursions all 1230 01:48:59.439 --> 01:49:02.399 the way up in still desert storm, so on and so forth. But 1231 01:49:02.640 --> 01:49:06.960 we are now in Afghanistan literally longer than we were in Vietnam. We have 1232 01:49:08.079 --> 01:49:11.239 now been engaged in this war on terror longer than we were in any of 1233 01:49:11.279 --> 01:49:16.279 the global conflicts that preceded it. This is an absolute atrocity. This is 1234 01:49:16.560 --> 01:49:23.760 the absolute murder and the robbery of freedom from millions of people across the globe. 1235 01:49:24.600 --> 01:49:29.760 And let's remember, let's remember that only about three thousand people a little 1236 01:49:29.840 --> 01:49:34.960 under died from the nine to eleven attacks, but literally millions have been slaughtered 1237 01:49:35.760 --> 01:49:43.720 and displaced from their homes based on the nine to eleven lie. Precisely, 1238 01:49:44.640 --> 01:49:47.840 precisely what it is I was getting ready to say, and of course you 1239 01:49:47.920 --> 01:49:51.520 put it in a much better way, but that is exactly what the point 1240 01:49:51.640 --> 01:49:58.159 is here, is that the millions of lives destroyed, the countless amounts of 1241 01:49:58.279 --> 01:50:02.840 personal freedom violen leans that have occurred on our own soil as a result of 1242 01:50:02.920 --> 01:50:08.680 this, the fact that the state is now allowed to surveil everyone, the 1243 01:50:08.800 --> 01:50:13.640 fact that we are being legislated to in a wholly unique way, the fact 1244 01:50:13.680 --> 01:50:23.520 that the homeland concept and the continual, the continual propagandizing of the American people. 1245 01:50:23.640 --> 01:50:27.159 I mean, as we speak, we are approaching the fourth of July, 1246 01:50:27.359 --> 01:50:33.399 our Independence Day, where we are meant to believe that fear is one 1247 01:50:33.439 --> 01:50:36.079 of the great governing things. We need to be alert, we need to 1248 01:50:36.119 --> 01:50:39.880 see something, say something. We need to make sure that we prevent any 1249 01:50:39.960 --> 01:50:44.279 further terrorist attacks, even when there's a live shooting event where there's no shooter. 1250 01:50:45.720 --> 01:50:49.680 Right, this is exercise, that's what it means. Yes, an 1251 01:50:49.760 --> 01:50:56.399 exercise that somehow someone in the media got alerted to that probably should never have 1252 01:50:56.439 --> 01:51:01.479 been heard about. That's what I'm assuming happened here. But who knows. 1253 01:51:01.760 --> 01:51:06.159 I'm not exactly so devious that I understand every single one of these operations. 1254 01:51:09.199 --> 01:51:15.640 That's the logical conclusion based upon all the other so called exercises, wargames and 1255 01:51:15.760 --> 01:51:19.640 emergency response exercises on nine to eleven, on hijack scenarios, they went live 1256 01:51:20.319 --> 01:51:26.359 and returned into actual attacks. It makes sense that our military is still doing 1257 01:51:26.439 --> 01:51:30.239 this. They have to do drills to train their people, but it's too 1258 01:51:30.359 --> 01:51:36.239 often, too often that somebody infiltrates these drills, or somebody at the top 1259 01:51:36.359 --> 01:51:42.239 decides for whatever reason, that they want him to go live and they put 1260 01:51:42.359 --> 01:51:45.680 real bullets, you know, real bullets and live bullets and live bombs in 1261 01:51:45.760 --> 01:51:49.359 these exercises, and then real people die. That it started out as an 1262 01:51:49.399 --> 01:51:53.880 exercise, that real people die, So they confuse people in the nine to 1263 01:51:53.920 --> 01:51:57.119 eleven truth movement, But we're not confused. We know what's happening. So 1264 01:51:57.520 --> 01:52:00.520 I should say that any time you hear that there's going to be a major 1265 01:52:00.960 --> 01:52:08.439 military or intelligence exercise in your community, get out of town. Well, 1266 01:52:08.680 --> 01:52:12.039 you know, there's got to be a better way than just simply fleeing, 1267 01:52:12.880 --> 01:52:15.520 you know, in my estimation, but it is good advice if you want 1268 01:52:15.560 --> 01:52:18.199 to keep yourself intact, that's for sure, because it is a serious For 1269 01:52:18.319 --> 01:52:21.039 instance, in Portland, Oregon, I think you're in Portland, aren't you 1270 01:52:21.159 --> 01:52:25.920 check? No, No, actually I'm in North Carolina. Well you're in 1271 01:52:26.000 --> 01:52:29.399 North Carolina. Okay, Clyde's in Portland. Clyde Lewis is important, right, 1272 01:52:29.479 --> 01:52:33.000 Well, I'd like to close out by just making very very explicit in 1273 01:52:33.079 --> 01:52:41.439 words. Everyone heard that famous slogan the first casualty of war is the truth. 1274 01:52:42.359 --> 01:52:46.680 Where you can turn it around, the first casualty of the truth about 1275 01:52:46.800 --> 01:52:51.079 nine to eleven is the end of the nine to eleven wars. And that's 1276 01:52:51.119 --> 01:52:56.960 the reason that the nine eleven Truth movement has never given us and we will 1277 01:52:57.319 --> 01:53:00.079 never give up, and why we are so immensely grateful to people like you 1278 01:53:00.960 --> 01:53:05.800 for letting the word get out to as many Americans and people around the world 1279 01:53:05.880 --> 01:53:10.560 as possible. Thank you so much. Listen, I do appreciate that. 1280 01:53:10.800 --> 01:53:15.600 Thank you, And of course I don't even know where to begin thanking you 1281 01:53:15.760 --> 01:53:19.279 for all of the work that you've done on this and all of the service 1282 01:53:19.399 --> 01:53:24.800 that you have done for people around the world. In essence, because as 1283 01:53:25.079 --> 01:53:28.880 as you so aptly put, yes, not only is the first casualty of 1284 01:53:28.920 --> 01:53:32.520 war the truth, but if the truth really does prevail, the first casualty 1285 01:53:32.600 --> 01:53:42.479 of that shall certainly be these illegal, ridiculous and absolutely falsely founded wars and 1286 01:53:42.560 --> 01:53:46.239 I and that is the overall goal here, regardless of whose version of the 1287 01:53:46.359 --> 01:53:51.560 truth that has been surmised thus far is reality. It doesn't matter to me 1288 01:53:51.680 --> 01:53:55.439 at the end of the day, if you know, maybe we've gotten a 1289 01:53:55.479 --> 01:53:59.760 few things wrong over time or anything else. If we can actually get at 1290 01:53:59.840 --> 01:54:04.319 it and get it done, then this whole thing comes undone right before our 1291 01:54:04.359 --> 01:54:10.840 eyes. So yes, and the critical change, the critical shift, it's 1292 01:54:10.880 --> 01:54:15.680 a paradigm shift, literally, is when a critical mass in the American public, 1293 01:54:15.760 --> 01:54:19.920 thanks to people like you, understand a simple fact that the official story 1294 01:54:20.039 --> 01:54:26.039 is alive, that nine to eleven was not a terrorist attack, it was 1295 01:54:26.119 --> 01:54:31.560 an inside job massacre of our own citizens. And once Americans realize that, 1296 01:54:32.960 --> 01:54:42.880 once they realize that they will never again, I hope, allow anything like 1297 01:54:43.439 --> 01:54:51.800 the secrecy that surrounds these war games and emergency response exercises. The evil drives 1298 01:54:53.000 --> 01:54:57.359 in the dark. The most important thing that we could do in this country 1299 01:54:57.479 --> 01:55:03.319 is to have a campaign to end unnecessary secrecy for full sunshine and transparency in 1300 01:55:03.399 --> 01:55:10.960 our federal government. Absolutely, and maybe maybe the next president we get, 1301 01:55:11.039 --> 01:55:13.840 you know, because we were supposed to get the transparent president this time. 1302 01:55:14.560 --> 01:55:17.239 The next president we get, maybe we can actually hold him accountable and make 1303 01:55:17.279 --> 01:55:21.479 his administration do that. But listen, Barbara Honaker has been my guest tonight 1304 01:55:21.920 --> 01:55:26.560 and I just can't thank you enough. Barbara. I'm going to let you 1305 01:55:26.680 --> 01:55:29.399 go, and I know that you're busy for the rest of the evening, 1306 01:55:29.479 --> 01:55:32.239 so I will be in touch with you tomorrow. But Jean, I'm I'm 1307 01:55:32.279 --> 01:55:36.159 going to send you those links to post within the next few hours, and 1308 01:55:36.560 --> 01:55:42.359 I'm gonna end with one sentence, just like John Paul Jones said, We've 1309 01:55:42.399 --> 01:55:46.840 only just begun to fight for the truth. Yes, ma'am, and better 1310 01:55:46.920 --> 01:55:51.600 words were not spoken by a better individual. I am extremely grateful that you 1311 01:55:51.640 --> 01:55:55.600 were on with me tonight, So enjoy the rest of your evening, and 1312 01:55:55.640 --> 01:55:59.680 I will look forward to getting and disseminating those links in there as many places 1313 01:55:59.760 --> 01:56:02.239 as I possibly can. Thank you, and we'll talk to you again. 1314 01:56:02.640 --> 01:56:10.680 Absolutely so, Barbara, good night, Barbara Honaker, everybody. You know, 1315 01:56:10.920 --> 01:56:15.720 what can I say again? You know I have plenty of questions, 1316 01:56:16.039 --> 01:56:20.239 but the overall message is still the same. If we get at the truth, 1317 01:56:20.399 --> 01:56:26.159 we stop getting at the lies. And nine to eleven is not simply 1318 01:56:26.239 --> 01:56:33.199 a matter of historical debate. It is not a matter of academic hypothesis. 1319 01:56:33.760 --> 01:56:38.760 This is something that still affects anybody. You can hear the sound of my 1320 01:56:38.960 --> 01:56:45.479 voice to this day, constantly continuously, because it is the justification for murder, 1321 01:56:46.279 --> 01:56:54.119 for the destruction of our alleged rights, for the absolute disillusionment of this 1322 01:56:54.359 --> 01:57:04.319 country, for the devastation of multiple populations, all predicated upon one particular day 1323 01:57:04.359 --> 01:57:13.439 in two thousand and one, and what has resulted ever after. So this 1324 01:57:13.640 --> 01:57:16.760 is why I constantly revisit this particular subject. And I want to thank you 1325 01:57:16.840 --> 01:57:21.000 for tuning in tonight to the Ocelli effect. I'm just about done, but 1326 01:57:21.119 --> 01:57:26.199 I do appreciate all of you who decided to take a listen tonight, and 1327 01:57:27.760 --> 01:57:30.399 well, I know I'm going to get some nasty feedback about this show, 1328 01:57:30.479 --> 01:57:36.520 too. Good deal. I definitely am looking forward to it all. Anyway, 1329 01:57:36.840 --> 01:57:41.600 thanks for tuning into ucy dot tv. I do appreciate you. If 1330 01:57:41.680 --> 01:57:44.800 you are catching this further on down the line, go to ucy dot tv 1331 01:57:45.000 --> 01:57:50.359 slash t oe and there you will find the archives, the link to the 1332 01:57:50.439 --> 01:57:59.279 YouTube playlist, other information on many other shows on the network. In fact, 1333 01:57:59.359 --> 01:58:01.720 a couple of real great people on the network if you want my suggestions. 1334 01:58:02.159 --> 01:58:06.039 Chris Jackson Rojas has a show on there now. I do very much 1335 01:58:06.239 --> 01:58:13.359 endorse his general message on just about everything I've heard from him. Brandon Turberville, 1336 01:58:13.399 --> 01:58:18.279 an incredible journalist over at the ucy dot tv website. Andrew Shale who 1337 01:58:18.319 --> 01:58:25.479 does cold reality US entertaining as well as informative definitely a cool guy who's been 1338 01:58:25.520 --> 01:58:30.279 on this show a couple of times. And oh and you know, Freedom 1339 01:58:30.319 --> 01:58:35.039 Bollues are going on this weekend. JJ Mister James Freeland JJ Inc. Who 1340 01:58:35.119 --> 01:58:40.479 does Against the Wall, another guy who I do appreciate on the network as 1341 01:58:40.520 --> 01:58:46.039 well as our owners show Before the First Cup which comes on in the mornings, 1342 01:58:46.560 --> 01:58:51.680 informative news and she touches on many things that I don't often discuss, 1343 01:58:51.800 --> 01:58:59.119 but do have many opinions on regarding transhumanism, the scientific technocracy, which has 1344 01:58:59.319 --> 01:59:16.439 in the US look the Dusty Tip stat Side us Time, a Gay Time 1345 01:59:16.479 --> 01:59:27.159 stand Side Walls, Tuny Day Time, Stay Side tell Us Stay, stating 1346 01:59:27.239 --> 01:59:45.479 to a very tyst time Sta statist side by Statista Statist Time, gast side