WEBVTT 1 00:00:22.280 --> 00:00:26.039 It's later with Mo Kelly can if I am six forty, We're live everywhere 2 00:00:26.079 --> 00:00:30.280 on the iHeartRadio app. Obie had a great weekend, I know I did. 3 00:00:31.519 --> 00:00:35.119 The weather was beautiful, had a good weekend working out. I was 4 00:00:35.200 --> 00:00:39.679 watching all the videos that Tuala put up he and his family went to Disneyland. 5 00:00:39.679 --> 00:00:43.479 I was only kind of jealous, not really jealous, because I wondered 6 00:00:43.479 --> 00:00:46.039 how many lines they had to wait in for so long, And I said, 7 00:00:46.079 --> 00:00:48.880 well, it's just good enough to watch the videos that he was posting. 8 00:00:49.320 --> 00:00:54.359 I know his family had a wonderful time, but there's this I was 9 00:00:54.439 --> 00:00:59.799 thinking, over the course of the weekend, what are these schools going to 10 00:00:59.880 --> 00:01:07.560 do? I saw how law enforcement had to clear out another encampment at USC. 11 00:01:07.560 --> 00:01:15.079 I saw the more recent news how Columbia had canceled its campus wide commencement 12 00:01:15.599 --> 00:01:23.799 and is opting for smaller school focused graduations. But it reminded me every single 13 00:01:23.239 --> 00:01:29.159 school campus from coast to coast, is going to have to make a decision. 14 00:01:29.599 --> 00:01:34.319 Unless you're USC, you've already already made that decision. Columbia made that 15 00:01:34.359 --> 00:01:40.640 decision. Can you anticipate, can you control? Can you handle what may 16 00:01:40.719 --> 00:01:47.519 happen on your main commencement day. There are some schools which don't have a 17 00:01:47.599 --> 00:01:52.879 singular commencement day. For example, you see Irvine. You see Irvine has 18 00:01:52.879 --> 00:01:57.359 a School of Law ceremony on May tenth. They have the School of Medicine 19 00:01:57.400 --> 00:02:01.079 on May eighteenth, the School of Nation on June fourteenth, the School of 20 00:02:01.120 --> 00:02:07.000 Social Sciences on the fourteenth as well. They have the School of Information and 21 00:02:07.040 --> 00:02:12.919 Computer Sciences on June fifteenth, the School of Engineering on June sixteenth, June 22 00:02:12.960 --> 00:02:16.159 seventeenth, the School of Arts. I mean, it's just graduation after graduation. 23 00:02:16.240 --> 00:02:20.639 At the graduation, why do I mention UC Irvine. Well, if 24 00:02:20.639 --> 00:02:24.719 you go to the KFI Instagram page, you will see one of our reporters 25 00:02:24.960 --> 00:02:31.319 be led around the campus and the encampment by one of the protesters. They 26 00:02:31.360 --> 00:02:38.240 are settled in. They're going to be there for the foreseeable duration. Their 27 00:02:38.280 --> 00:02:45.319 intentions obviously are to be there throughout all of these graduations. How disruptive they'll 28 00:02:45.319 --> 00:02:50.360 be, I don't know, but it says to me that every single campus 29 00:02:50.719 --> 00:02:54.759 in southern California and beyond will have to make a decision, and they'll have 30 00:02:54.840 --> 00:03:00.280 to make it sooner than later. Do you try to clear them out, 31 00:03:00.759 --> 00:03:05.240 and does clearing them out mean that's the end of the problem. We're gonna 32 00:03:05.319 --> 00:03:09.120 check in with kfi's own Chris Adler, who was on the campus of UCLA 33 00:03:09.319 --> 00:03:15.639 earlier today. And we all know that USC has cleared out encampments twice. 34 00:03:15.599 --> 00:03:21.719 UCLA cleared out the encampment last week. We reported to you Live on that, 35 00:03:22.639 --> 00:03:27.240 but then protesters came back today and you heard Mark Ronner during the news 36 00:03:27.240 --> 00:03:34.840 report signal how forty or so protesters were arrested again today. This should say 37 00:03:34.879 --> 00:03:38.280 to you and me and everyone else that this is not over in the sense 38 00:03:38.319 --> 00:03:44.240 of people who are willing to protest. Will the protests lead anywhere? I 39 00:03:44.400 --> 00:03:50.319 still seriously doubt it. Now. I will admit that Brown University those students 40 00:03:50.319 --> 00:03:57.120 were able to negotiate some sort of settlement to vote on divestment in the future. 41 00:03:57.719 --> 00:04:02.759 But those students did not gain anything here in California. Nothing even approximating 42 00:04:02.800 --> 00:04:09.400 that has happened. No strides forward have been made on USC's campus, on 43 00:04:09.560 --> 00:04:15.960 UCLA's campus, on UCI's campus. This is not over. And I can 44 00:04:15.000 --> 00:04:19.639 also say that this is not going anywhere. But all of these universities are 45 00:04:19.639 --> 00:04:24.240 going to have to make a decision and fast. What are you going to 46 00:04:24.279 --> 00:04:28.920 do? Are you going to try to squash the encampments and risk the blowback 47 00:04:29.000 --> 00:04:31.480 that UCLA has had to deal with. Do you want to deal with what 48 00:04:32.079 --> 00:04:35.040 usc has had to deal with? Do you want to try to ride it 49 00:04:35.079 --> 00:04:42.240 out, which seemingly, seemingly U see Irvine is trying to do maybe the 50 00:04:42.279 --> 00:04:45.439 path of least resistance, if you want to call it that, but whatever 51 00:04:45.480 --> 00:04:49.680 it is, you're going to have to make a decision because clearly these protests 52 00:04:50.120 --> 00:04:57.759 are not only coordinated on some level, they have enough people power, and 53 00:04:57.800 --> 00:05:01.319 we know that it's more than just students. We now can be honest with 54 00:05:01.360 --> 00:05:08.480 one another. This is just not about students only. We have outside individuals 55 00:05:08.639 --> 00:05:12.879 who are not students. You can call them agitators, you can call them 56 00:05:13.199 --> 00:05:16.160 paid protesters, whatever you want to call them. They are part of this 57 00:05:16.360 --> 00:05:24.639 equation. They are participating in multiple, multiple protests, They are probably connected 58 00:05:24.680 --> 00:05:30.639 to multiple campuses. And so what are you going to do? U se 59 00:05:30.800 --> 00:05:35.199 Irvine? Because I saw that encampment on Instagram and I said, wow, 60 00:05:35.480 --> 00:05:40.079 it almost looked like an apartment complex. Not trying to be funny, but 61 00:05:40.399 --> 00:05:46.600 it was elaborate in nature. It was very clear that there was some planning 62 00:05:46.879 --> 00:05:49.160 this time around. Maybe they learned something from USC. I don't know, 63 00:05:49.839 --> 00:05:55.879 maybe they learned something from UCLA, but I did notice, at least on 64 00:05:56.079 --> 00:06:01.680 UCI's campus, there was a media where there was going to be a much 65 00:06:01.759 --> 00:06:08.519 more concerted effort to talk to members of the media to somehow present a more 66 00:06:08.560 --> 00:06:14.439 cohesive and coherent message. Will that change anything, I don't know, but 67 00:06:14.560 --> 00:06:17.879 it does seem like they might have been listening to me or someone else. 68 00:06:18.439 --> 00:06:24.240 I remember when I spoke to Chris Adler last week. They mistreated, at 69 00:06:24.319 --> 00:06:29.480 least on UCLA's campus. In USC's campus, they mistreated members of the media, 70 00:06:30.079 --> 00:06:33.560 and they were loth to actually have a conversation with members of the media 71 00:06:33.959 --> 00:06:39.120 and be able to put forth a message that people could understand and get behind, 72 00:06:39.560 --> 00:06:46.040 and their message subsequently got lost in the midst of violence on some level 73 00:06:46.759 --> 00:06:53.560 and vandalism, And so I would say they did themselves a greater disservice than 74 00:06:53.600 --> 00:07:00.160 they did help themselves along in this endeavor. There's been no public comment or 75 00:07:00.279 --> 00:07:06.560 public decision made by UC Irvine, but I know every campus has to consider 76 00:07:06.680 --> 00:07:13.800 this because these protests can pop up anywhere at any time. They are coordinated 77 00:07:13.839 --> 00:07:17.079 in nature, and I know they're going to be planned to pop up during 78 00:07:17.399 --> 00:07:25.759 these graduation ceremonies, the main ones, the satellite ones, the small ones, 79 00:07:26.240 --> 00:07:30.120 the various schools. They're going to be there and they're going to be 80 00:07:30.199 --> 00:07:35.079 visible, and they're going to be disruptive. Hopefully these schools have learned something 81 00:07:35.800 --> 00:07:41.959 and they know how to handle it. If UCLA did anything to help these 82 00:07:42.000 --> 00:07:47.839 other campuses, be it UC Irvine or Santa Barbara, San Bernardino, Riverside, 83 00:07:48.240 --> 00:07:53.879 what have you. If UCLA did anything, it should have given all 84 00:07:53.920 --> 00:07:57.399 these other places a primer, something to go by, what to do, 85 00:07:57.920 --> 00:08:03.480 what not to do. But ultimately they're going to have to do something because 86 00:08:03.480 --> 00:08:07.639 the protests are not going away by themselves. When we come back, wing 87 00:08:07.639 --> 00:08:11.560 to check in with Chris Adler, who spent much of the day at UCLA, 88 00:08:11.959 --> 00:08:16.240 and get her read on what happened, who got arrested, and where 89 00:08:16.279 --> 00:08:18.800 it goes from here, at least on UCLA's campus. It's Later with mo 90 00:08:18.920 --> 00:08:24.040 Kelly canf I AM six forty. We are live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app. 91 00:08:24.279 --> 00:08:28.519 You're listening to Later with mo Kelly on demand from KFI AM six forty 92 00:08:28.639 --> 00:08:33.200 last segment, I was basically running down what the nation was looking like in 93 00:08:33.240 --> 00:08:39.240 the wake of many of the protests last week. I touched upon how Columbia 94 00:08:39.320 --> 00:08:43.320 had canceled its commencement. We talked about last week, how USC has a 95 00:08:43.440 --> 00:08:50.480 quasi commencement celebration going on at the coliseum. And I was looking at the 96 00:08:50.519 --> 00:08:52.759 news today. I was looking at actually Chris Adler's feed, and she was 97 00:08:52.799 --> 00:08:58.799 at UCLA, and it seemed the protests came back earlier today. But what 98 00:08:58.960 --> 00:09:01.799 is up with that? Joining us right now is camfi's own Chris Adler with 99 00:09:01.840 --> 00:09:05.360 her on the ground coverage, Chris, fill me in what happened earlier? 100 00:09:05.399 --> 00:09:11.720 Today came well. Today was supposed to be the first normal quote unquote normal 101 00:09:11.799 --> 00:09:16.919 day back to campus since the clearing and the arrest. Over two hundred people 102 00:09:16.960 --> 00:09:20.159 were arrested after police moved in last week to clear out that camp that had 103 00:09:20.200 --> 00:09:24.159 been there for days. And since then, it was supposed to you know, 104 00:09:24.240 --> 00:09:28.720 classes were canceled, they were moved online, and today was supposed to 105 00:09:28.759 --> 00:09:33.879 be that first day back for normal day back. But this morning, early 106 00:09:33.960 --> 00:09:41.120 this morning, pro Palestinian protesters were back on campus and forty more than forty 107 00:09:41.159 --> 00:09:45.679 of them were actually detained in a parking structure for what the Ellet County Sheriff's 108 00:09:45.679 --> 00:09:50.960 Department said was a violation of curfew. These protesters in the structure also did 109 00:09:52.039 --> 00:09:54.759 not want to provide their identities. They would not tell deputies whether or not 110 00:09:54.840 --> 00:10:01.519 they were actual students. We saw video and we heard a faculty member actually 111 00:10:01.559 --> 00:10:05.279 declaring herself a faculty member who was one of the people out there in support 112 00:10:05.399 --> 00:10:09.960 of these protesters who were being detained. And so there were about there were 113 00:10:11.000 --> 00:10:16.159 more than forty taken to the Van Night's Detention Center to the Van Nuys Jail 114 00:10:16.320 --> 00:10:20.120 afterwards. And then following that, there was a sit in in one of 115 00:10:20.200 --> 00:10:26.159 the buildings where about maybe fifty to sixty protesters gathered for a sit in calling 116 00:10:26.200 --> 00:10:31.879 on the university to divest, calling on a boycott of Israel. And those 117 00:10:31.159 --> 00:10:37.600 protesters marched throughout the campus this morning. They were probably I say, I 118 00:10:37.639 --> 00:10:41.919 would say it got to about maybe one hundred protesters at one point, marching 119 00:10:41.960 --> 00:10:50.120 throughout the campus, chanting say anti Zionist remarks, and police were watching closiya. 120 00:10:50.159 --> 00:10:54.159 The Schurch department was out in tactical gear with pickup trucks waiting for any 121 00:10:54.320 --> 00:11:00.759 kind of vestilation, and just kind of watching Jane's unfold. Mo. We 122 00:11:00.840 --> 00:11:05.519 saw LAPD take the lead, or at least visually seemingly take the lead last 123 00:11:05.519 --> 00:11:11.360 week, last Wednesday, But today you're telling me that the presence was predominantly 124 00:11:11.480 --> 00:11:16.360 or all La County Sheriff's deputies. I didn't see any LAPD on campus this 125 00:11:16.519 --> 00:11:20.960 morning during these protests. It was La County Shriff's Department again in tactical gear 126 00:11:20.279 --> 00:11:24.320 and pickup trucks, in large trucks where it looked like they could put a 127 00:11:24.360 --> 00:11:31.120 lot of detainees if necessary, and lots of campus security scattered throughout the campus, 128 00:11:31.279 --> 00:11:35.200 kind of marching like, following behind the protesters, keeping an eye on 129 00:11:35.240 --> 00:11:39.960 them, planted in various spots throughout the campus. This was La County Shriff's 130 00:11:39.960 --> 00:11:46.559 Department, along with several patrol cars, several campus PD officers. But no 131 00:11:46.759 --> 00:11:50.960 LAPD was seen this morning, Moll. I wonder, though, given what 132 00:11:52.080 --> 00:11:56.960 happened last week, and given I guess the reluctance to have last week happened 133 00:11:56.000 --> 00:12:01.559 again, did these students try to i'll say, re incamp in front of 134 00:12:01.639 --> 00:12:05.559 Royce Hall. What does that area look like? No, I was. 135 00:12:05.600 --> 00:12:09.799 Actually I was in front of Royce Hall this morning. It's still barricaded off, 136 00:12:09.799 --> 00:12:13.519 but there are safety officers standing along manning that area, in that grassy 137 00:12:13.559 --> 00:12:18.440 area where that encampment was, but they are not allowing anybody to walk in 138 00:12:18.759 --> 00:12:22.639 walk through. I was talking to a security officer just scanning out. He 139 00:12:22.720 --> 00:12:26.960 was standing behind the barrier and I'm on one the other side of the barrier, 140 00:12:26.360 --> 00:12:30.120 and I was like, wow, just looking at it. They can't. 141 00:12:30.639 --> 00:12:33.720 It's completely cleared out. The vandalism has been covered up. They are 142 00:12:33.759 --> 00:12:37.559 still tying up some loose ends and clearing up some minor things, but the 143 00:12:37.639 --> 00:12:43.799 majority of it has been completely cleared out. It's a completely different scene mode. 144 00:12:43.919 --> 00:12:46.639 It's empty. There's not a single tent in sight. It's been completely 145 00:12:46.679 --> 00:12:50.639 wiped out, you know. It's it's there's some spray paint, some paint, 146 00:12:50.720 --> 00:12:54.559 this coloration of the grass where the camp was, but it's been completely 147 00:12:54.600 --> 00:12:58.720 cleared out. They are not allowing anybody to go in there though. They 148 00:12:58.759 --> 00:13:03.360 want to make sure that there's no other camp get set up outside of Voice 149 00:13:03.440 --> 00:13:07.639 Hall again. Over the weekend, you and I informally went back and forth 150 00:13:07.720 --> 00:13:13.399 with some listeners on my Instagram talking about the protesters, the perception of the 151 00:13:13.440 --> 00:13:18.320 protests versus various protests in history, and I made the point that these protesters 152 00:13:18.320 --> 00:13:24.919 at UCLA didn't exactly seek out or try to treat the media. Well, 153 00:13:24.399 --> 00:13:30.320 that was then, what was your experience today? Was there any interaction between 154 00:13:30.360 --> 00:13:33.240 you and this group of protesters? There was. I was able to speak 155 00:13:33.279 --> 00:13:37.279 to one protester who was part of the camp and she was there for the 156 00:13:37.360 --> 00:13:43.080 rally today. She said that there are extremists on both sides. She knows 157 00:13:43.120 --> 00:13:46.039 there's radicals on the Jewish side, on the pro Kalestinian side, but she 158 00:13:46.080 --> 00:13:50.559 says the majority of the people that are protesting, she says, are neutral, 159 00:13:50.759 --> 00:13:54.919 and they are peaceful, and they're there for an important cause. They 160 00:13:54.960 --> 00:13:58.480 want to make a difference, they want to save people. But she said 161 00:13:58.759 --> 00:14:03.360 there are extremists. She acknowledged there are extremists on both sides. And last 162 00:14:03.399 --> 00:14:07.679 week I interviewed several Jewish students who said that they were being blocked from going 163 00:14:07.720 --> 00:14:13.240 into the library, several buildings, and even Assemblyman Rich shavz Dbor, whose 164 00:14:13.240 --> 00:14:18.759 district includes UCLA, is now pushing for an investigation through the Department of Education 165 00:14:18.200 --> 00:14:24.000 to find out if there was in fact a civil rights violation, particularly against 166 00:14:24.080 --> 00:14:28.559 Jewish students MO who were allegedly stopped from entering buildings, and they were asked 167 00:14:28.600 --> 00:14:33.840 if they were quote Zionists supporters, and if they were not, they were 168 00:14:33.879 --> 00:14:37.960 given risk bands and free to enter it. But if they were Zionist supporters, 169 00:14:37.159 --> 00:14:41.639 they were not allowed to enter. So there is an investigation that is 170 00:14:41.679 --> 00:14:46.080 being pushed in that sense. But as we spoke, and you know, 171 00:14:46.159 --> 00:14:50.039 during my life it's last week, they were very hostile towards the media that 172 00:14:50.080 --> 00:14:52.840 were shining lights in my eyes. They didn't want us there, they didn't 173 00:14:52.840 --> 00:14:58.200 want police there. Today it seemed a little bit more friendly towards the media. 174 00:14:58.240 --> 00:15:01.080 I'd say they were willing to speak with us today, at least very 175 00:15:01.159 --> 00:15:03.440 quickly. I got about thirty seconds left. Do we know, since this 176 00:15:03.559 --> 00:15:09.159 protest led to other arrests and it didn't seem like they got any they gained 177 00:15:09.159 --> 00:15:13.080 any ground as far as their demands, what is next for this group of 178 00:15:13.080 --> 00:15:18.120 protesters as far as you know, well I can tell you mode they were 179 00:15:18.200 --> 00:15:22.639 chanting, we will not go, we will be back. When the arrests 180 00:15:22.679 --> 00:15:26.559 were made last week, protesters as they were in handcuffs, said we will 181 00:15:26.600 --> 00:15:30.919 be back. They vowed to be back, and we saw them back. 182 00:15:30.960 --> 00:15:35.039 They were there this morning and they said they will continue to rally. They 183 00:15:35.080 --> 00:15:41.600 will continue to occupy the campus until the UC system divests in Israeli connections and 184 00:15:41.679 --> 00:15:46.320 boycott's Israel. So from there from their mouths, they have no plans of 185 00:15:46.440 --> 00:15:50.240 letting up on these protests. Mo, Well, we shall see Chris Adler. 186 00:15:50.279 --> 00:15:54.919 Thank you for the fantastic reporting, and of course kf I will continue 187 00:15:54.960 --> 00:15:58.279 to follow this story wherever it may lead. Chris, be safe out there, 188 00:15:58.279 --> 00:16:00.799 and I'm sure we'll do it again sometime soon. If they're committed. 189 00:16:00.960 --> 00:16:03.639 We're committed. Did you know it? Moo, have a great night. 190 00:16:04.320 --> 00:16:10.559 You're listening to Later with Mo Kelly on demand from KFI Am six forty. 191 00:16:10.960 --> 00:16:15.960 By now you've probably seen the video. The video of the woman who was 192 00:16:17.000 --> 00:16:23.639 caught on camera attacking a bus driver a dash bus driver in South LA took 193 00:16:23.679 --> 00:16:32.240 place yesterday, and kudos for the bus driver fighting back because clearly no one 194 00:16:32.279 --> 00:16:37.000 wanted to help her. Happened around one pm yesterday at the bus stop near 195 00:16:37.080 --> 00:16:41.720 South Central Avenue and East thirty fifth Street. If you know that neighborhood. 196 00:16:41.039 --> 00:16:45.240 It's not a nice neighborhood. The bus driver took care of business. And 197 00:16:45.320 --> 00:16:52.000 if you haven't seen the video, I just posted it on threads at mister 198 00:16:52.080 --> 00:16:56.639 mo Kelly if you just need to see it. The easy conversation is this. 199 00:16:56.879 --> 00:17:00.600 The easy conversation is we need to pet our bus drivers. I've had 200 00:17:00.600 --> 00:17:07.880 that conversation any number of times. That's the easy conversation. It's easy to 201 00:17:07.079 --> 00:17:14.400 point and say something needs to be done. But tonight I want to have 202 00:17:14.440 --> 00:17:22.960 a more uncomfortable and I would think more difficult conversation. The video has its 203 00:17:22.200 --> 00:17:30.480 place. I'm glad someone got video footage of that assault. If anything, 204 00:17:30.480 --> 00:17:36.240 it makes the adjudication the legal process that much easier, and I would hate 205 00:17:36.359 --> 00:17:40.519 for that bus driver to have gone through that and there be any type of 206 00:17:40.559 --> 00:17:45.599 what I would call reasonable doubt. I'm glad from what I understand the bus 207 00:17:45.640 --> 00:17:51.960 driver wasn't seriously injured. But here's the more difficult conversation. It's easy to 208 00:17:52.200 --> 00:17:56.640 point, and it's easy to say something's wrong. But I think we need 209 00:17:56.680 --> 00:18:06.599 to be more honest about or failings here. There's something or actually a bunch 210 00:18:06.599 --> 00:18:11.200 of things wrong with our society. Like I said, the video has legal 211 00:18:11.319 --> 00:18:18.400 value, but there's no excuse for no one trying to intervene. Nobody tried 212 00:18:18.440 --> 00:18:22.960 to help that woman out, not because she was a woman, but but 213 00:18:22.000 --> 00:18:27.960 she was for the most part defenseless and being attacked for what we could tell 214 00:18:29.480 --> 00:18:33.160 This homeless woman who was attacking her did not have a weapon, and it 215 00:18:33.279 --> 00:18:37.440 was The video goes on a long time. No one is trying to intervene. 216 00:18:37.759 --> 00:18:41.319 It says, not only is there something wrong as far as violence in 217 00:18:41.359 --> 00:18:48.880 our society, there is something wrong with us as a society. We are 218 00:18:48.079 --> 00:18:55.880 bereaft of honor and dignity. I would hope that if I were in close 219 00:18:55.960 --> 00:19:00.079 proximity, I would have attempted to do something, guide in between them, 220 00:19:00.920 --> 00:19:06.599 pull the homeless woman off, the bus driver, something. But we are 221 00:19:06.680 --> 00:19:11.519 now as a society, a bunch of voyeurs. We're a bunch of onlookers. 222 00:19:11.559 --> 00:19:17.960 We're a bunch of people who are sight seeing and just kind of gliding 223 00:19:18.000 --> 00:19:22.279 through life, looking at the car wreck, the proverbial car wreck as we 224 00:19:22.359 --> 00:19:26.480 drive down the freeway. How did we get here? I honestly don't know. 225 00:19:27.240 --> 00:19:30.559 The easy thing to say is, oh, just blame it on the 226 00:19:30.599 --> 00:19:33.559 internet. Oh just blame it on gen z Oh, just blame it on 227 00:19:33.799 --> 00:19:37.440 you know, the failings of the Democrats. That's the easy, that's real 228 00:19:37.519 --> 00:19:42.079 easy. The more difficult conversation is to look inward and say, hey, 229 00:19:44.000 --> 00:19:48.720 why did nobody help? Why is it when we see these videos time and 230 00:19:48.759 --> 00:19:56.759 time again nobody ever helps? It seems like, and this may be anecdotal, 231 00:19:56.799 --> 00:20:00.880 but it seems like every time I see these video of these fights in 232 00:20:00.920 --> 00:20:07.720 which you have a civil servant getting attacked, there are people watching, maybe 233 00:20:07.839 --> 00:20:12.279 cheering on, definitely have their phones out, but not really doing a damn 234 00:20:12.359 --> 00:20:18.400 thing. And I don't need someone to go Bernard gets if you get that 235 00:20:18.480 --> 00:20:21.799 reference, I know Mark Ronald does. I don't need you to do that. 236 00:20:22.720 --> 00:20:29.480 But there should be something inside of you which says I need to do 237 00:20:30.119 --> 00:20:37.000 something. Throw a rock, you know, try to pull them off something. 238 00:20:37.480 --> 00:20:41.640 Because for me, and if I were to envision myself in that situation, 239 00:20:42.200 --> 00:20:48.839 that bus driver again, I take everything very personally in nature. That 240 00:20:48.880 --> 00:20:53.200 bus driver is my friend, that bus driver is my colleague, that bus 241 00:20:53.279 --> 00:21:00.480 driver is a relative. That bus driver is probably one degree of separation from 242 00:21:00.559 --> 00:21:07.359 me. If it's not someone I know, it's someone who knows someone I 243 00:21:07.440 --> 00:21:11.519 know how did we get here. We didn't get here overnight, but I 244 00:21:11.640 --> 00:21:18.319 damn sure know we've been here wherever here is for a really long time. 245 00:21:18.799 --> 00:21:25.920 And everyone that I've seen talk about this story, everyone that I've heard discussed 246 00:21:25.920 --> 00:21:30.880 this story has run. And I don't say this as a criticism. I 247 00:21:30.960 --> 00:21:37.119 say it as just something that I'm aware of that I noticed something that I 248 00:21:37.200 --> 00:21:42.160 saw. Everyone said basically the same thing. LA's going to hell. No, 249 00:21:42.440 --> 00:21:48.759 La has been hell for a while. But we're all citizens. It's 250 00:21:48.799 --> 00:21:53.480 not just over there we are. Are we citizens? Are we active participants 251 00:21:53.519 --> 00:21:56.640 in the society? Are we watching a video game? Are we on the 252 00:21:56.640 --> 00:22:04.720 outside looking in? Or are we looking at fellow citizens as extensions of ourselves. 253 00:22:06.880 --> 00:22:11.039 It was the bus driver today, Tomorrow it could be someone you know, 254 00:22:11.920 --> 00:22:15.119 someone you love. Maybe the bus driver is someone you know and someone 255 00:22:15.160 --> 00:22:21.160 you love. It shouldn't have to get that personal before we realize we have 256 00:22:21.240 --> 00:22:27.160 a collective responsibility for the fate of this city, not just law enforcement. 257 00:22:27.440 --> 00:22:33.440 That's their job. Again, I'm not saying go Bernard gets we don't need 258 00:22:33.440 --> 00:22:37.319 a whole Howard Beach situation. And I'm not even saying, like the marine 259 00:22:37.359 --> 00:22:41.039 who was on the train. I'm not saying go out and kill someone. 260 00:22:41.200 --> 00:22:45.359 I am not saying that. I am saying there are things that we can 261 00:22:45.440 --> 00:22:51.279 do with what we have right where we are to at least let our fellow 262 00:22:51.279 --> 00:22:56.599 citizens know that we care about one another. If we don't care about one 263 00:22:56.640 --> 00:22:59.799 another, then how the hell is this supposed to get any better? Buy 264 00:22:59.839 --> 00:23:03.599 it. We cannot get a different politician which is gonna make it right. 265 00:23:03.839 --> 00:23:07.839 You can elect all the Republicans you want. That's not going to change what 266 00:23:07.920 --> 00:23:12.319 happened on that bus. If none of us care enough about each other to 267 00:23:12.559 --> 00:23:17.759 help one another in the time of need, we can get We can hire 268 00:23:18.119 --> 00:23:21.279 more police. We could have police on every single corner. We could turn 269 00:23:21.279 --> 00:23:26.920 this into a police state that doesn't address the problems inside of us, that 270 00:23:26.960 --> 00:23:33.960 does not address the issue of us being bereft of dignity and honor. I 271 00:23:33.960 --> 00:23:37.839 mean, the whole idea of a good Samaritan doesn't even exist anymore. For 272 00:23:37.880 --> 00:23:41.880 the most part, we're too busy pulling out our phones. We're not calling 273 00:23:41.960 --> 00:23:48.200 nine to one one, We're not intervening on a very basic level. How 274 00:23:48.200 --> 00:23:52.839 long did that video go? And I don't know who was videotaping that I 275 00:23:52.839 --> 00:23:55.960 don't know. I don't know. It could have been someone's grandmother who physically 276 00:23:55.960 --> 00:24:00.200 could not have intervened, But I didn't see anyone coming from the weak from 277 00:24:00.240 --> 00:24:03.279 the wings. Sit in the middle of the street, broad daylight. A 278 00:24:03.319 --> 00:24:06.519 bunch of people were watching out of frame. I don't know this for a 279 00:24:06.559 --> 00:24:11.400 fact, but I'm pretty sure I'm right. A bunch of people were watching 280 00:24:11.160 --> 00:24:15.440 and thinking, let me get video of this so I can go viral. 281 00:24:17.599 --> 00:24:22.480 Be damned someone's safety. Let me get something so I can sell it to 282 00:24:22.400 --> 00:24:30.400 some news outlet and get paid. Let me do this so I personally can 283 00:24:30.519 --> 00:24:33.880 benefit. While this bus driver, who happened to be a woman, I'm 284 00:24:33.880 --> 00:24:37.599 not saying that she was incapable of defending herself. In fact, she was 285 00:24:37.680 --> 00:24:42.720 kicking some ass. Let me be clear, she was throwing as best she 286 00:24:42.799 --> 00:24:48.599 could. But this bus driver was all alone in that moment, and there's 287 00:24:48.640 --> 00:24:52.680 no reason in the world that she should have been. It's later with mo 288 00:24:52.839 --> 00:24:56.279 Kelly can if I am six forty We're live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app. 289 00:24:56.319 --> 00:24:59.079 In fact, I have more I want to say about this when we come 290 00:24:59.119 --> 00:25:00.480 back, and I was I love to get the thoughts of some of the 291 00:25:00.519 --> 00:25:04.799 other men in the studio because we have these conversations off air, but I 292 00:25:04.799 --> 00:25:08.000 think we need to have it on air when we come back. You're listening 293 00:25:08.000 --> 00:25:14.759 to Later with Moe Kelly on demand from KFI AM six forty, a show 294 00:25:14.839 --> 00:25:21.119 programming note. La County Supervisor Catherine Barker, who we spoke about last week, 295 00:25:21.319 --> 00:25:26.359 how she gave her public concern about the Metro and how she felt that 296 00:25:26.440 --> 00:25:30.440 it was unsafe to ride by herself. Well, Supervisor Barker will be joining 297 00:25:30.440 --> 00:25:34.079 in the program Wednesday evening. She will be calling in. Just got word 298 00:25:34.400 --> 00:25:40.480 that she has been confirmed for Wednesday. But it also kind of runs parallel 299 00:25:40.519 --> 00:25:45.720 to this conversation. Before the break, I was talking about the La Dash 300 00:25:45.880 --> 00:25:53.319 bus fight between the bus driver and this reported to be homeless woman and this 301 00:25:53.440 --> 00:25:57.319 clear video which was shown and then I put it. It was on Fox 302 00:25:57.480 --> 00:26:02.720 LA. I reposted it on threads if you haven't seen it, to give 303 00:26:03.119 --> 00:26:07.000 some context to what I'm talking about. There were two conversations to have, 304 00:26:07.119 --> 00:26:11.400 just to quickly recap. There's a easy conversation, Oh my gosh, how 305 00:26:11.440 --> 00:26:15.319 horrible is LA. We need to do something to protect our civil servants public 306 00:26:15.359 --> 00:26:18.319 servants. Yes, I agree, with all that. That's easy, you 307 00:26:18.400 --> 00:26:22.279 know, that's just pointing and say see, look at that, it's dangerous. 308 00:26:22.720 --> 00:26:26.799 That's an easy one. The more difficult conversation, I think is looking 309 00:26:26.839 --> 00:26:33.720 at our collective societal responsibility. No one tried to help, no one tried 310 00:26:33.759 --> 00:26:37.160 to intervene, There were no weapons involved. It was clear that this was 311 00:26:37.240 --> 00:26:42.960 just a homeless woman who could have been taken down by somebody, pushed away 312 00:26:44.079 --> 00:26:48.000 something, but instead, and I was making the argument that we are a 313 00:26:48.079 --> 00:26:52.720 society that is bereft of dignity and honor. We've lost it, we've given 314 00:26:52.759 --> 00:26:56.400 it away, but we don't have it anymore. I think we are a 315 00:26:56.440 --> 00:27:03.160 society of onlookers. We are spectators in like a video game where NPC's nonplayer 316 00:27:03.279 --> 00:27:07.359 characters in a video game, we don't serve any real purpose in the welfare 317 00:27:07.880 --> 00:27:14.000 of our fellow man and woman. I thought that this deserved a larger discussion, 318 00:27:14.640 --> 00:27:18.880 and I think we as men, men in the studio, may look 319 00:27:18.920 --> 00:27:22.680 at this a little bit differently than women. Now, yes, I'm actually 320 00:27:22.680 --> 00:27:26.720 playing the gender card right here to walla sharp your first up, what did 321 00:27:26.720 --> 00:27:30.759 you think when you saw this video? One? The video bothered me because 322 00:27:30.960 --> 00:27:36.240 it wasn't video from the dash bus. It was video that someone took out 323 00:27:36.279 --> 00:27:41.519 their camera and they filmed this. Now, I will say this, I 324 00:27:41.640 --> 00:27:45.039 have ridden the dash bus and right near where I live there as a dash 325 00:27:45.079 --> 00:27:49.759 bus stop and I see the individuals that are primarily riding the dash bus. 326 00:27:51.119 --> 00:27:57.279 They are primarily older Angelinos and they are primarily women that I see riding. 327 00:27:57.640 --> 00:28:03.839 I rarely see young men or men riding the dash so I wonder who is 328 00:28:03.920 --> 00:28:07.880 taking the video. I had to take that into consideration because I'm thinking to 329 00:28:07.920 --> 00:28:11.519 myself, last time I was on the dash I may have been the only 330 00:28:11.319 --> 00:28:15.400 guy on the dash two. The thing that I noticed, and this stood 331 00:28:15.440 --> 00:28:21.599 out to me because of all the reporting, was the barrier that was between 332 00:28:21.640 --> 00:28:26.240 the driver and the attacker. And that is the exact same barrier that they 333 00:28:26.279 --> 00:28:30.160 are talking about releasing on Metro or installing on Metro. And I said, 334 00:28:30.200 --> 00:28:36.640 that barrier did nothing to protect that driver. Is that what Metro drivers can 335 00:28:36.720 --> 00:28:41.279 expect if that's the only protection they can get. But like you, if 336 00:28:41.319 --> 00:28:45.599 I had seen me Tawhila was riding that I would have grabbed that woman and 337 00:28:45.599 --> 00:28:49.279 gotten her off the bus. I'm not gonna sit there and let someone going 338 00:28:49.319 --> 00:28:53.200 off, because you can see the altercation. You can see how the driver 339 00:28:53.359 --> 00:28:59.880 did nothing to provoke that that was uncalled for. That woman had gloves on 340 00:29:00.160 --> 00:29:03.519 hands, that's about it. She easily could have been taken off of that 341 00:29:03.559 --> 00:29:08.759 bus. Mark Runner, you're up. Well, you can't look at something 342 00:29:08.839 --> 00:29:14.000 like this without thinking about the Kitty Genevi's case. And anybody of a certain 343 00:29:14.000 --> 00:29:15.839 age was haunted by this when they were kids, and it was before my 344 00:29:15.880 --> 00:29:18.640 time. It was from the mid sixties, but it's the famous, almost 345 00:29:18.640 --> 00:29:23.799 an urban legend where a woman in New York was raped and killed while people 346 00:29:23.880 --> 00:29:27.400 in the surrounding apartments looked on and didn't do anything and didn't call for help. 347 00:29:27.440 --> 00:29:32.279 Now, in the intervening decades, some facts have come up that have 348 00:29:32.400 --> 00:29:37.759 come into dispute, but that still doesn't alter what that says about people and 349 00:29:37.839 --> 00:29:44.720 our responsibility to each other, and how absolutely horrifying it is when we don't 350 00:29:44.759 --> 00:29:49.400 do anything when we I mean, you know now that we all have Instagram 351 00:29:49.400 --> 00:29:53.519 on our phone. Even animals help each other when they're in trouble, and 352 00:29:53.599 --> 00:29:57.559 so when people don't rise to the occasion like this, it is just the 353 00:29:57.680 --> 00:30:03.160 lowest, most disgusted thing imaginable, And I don't know how you could look 354 00:30:03.160 --> 00:30:07.200 yourself in the mirror for the rest of your life. If you were right 355 00:30:07.240 --> 00:30:11.519 there in that situation and you didn't say anything or raise a finger while somebody 356 00:30:11.720 --> 00:30:15.799 was being hurt like that, it would have been different if someone said something, 357 00:30:15.960 --> 00:30:21.119 tried something, anything, tried to diffuse the situation, something, and 358 00:30:21.359 --> 00:30:26.319 we got absolutely nothing. And running the technical aspect of the show today is 359 00:30:26.480 --> 00:30:30.880 Tony Santino, who was in for Stepan. Tony, I am curious about 360 00:30:30.920 --> 00:30:34.920 your thoughts as well. I got thoughts. Well. The thing I wonder 361 00:30:34.960 --> 00:30:38.920 about it is they shot that from the outside right, you know, so 362 00:30:40.200 --> 00:30:44.000 was that person on the bus seeing something going on and then kept recording once 363 00:30:44.079 --> 00:30:47.119 they got it, they got clear of it, you know, That's what 364 00:30:47.160 --> 00:30:48.880 I felt like to me. But what I keeps sticking in my head though, 365 00:30:48.960 --> 00:30:52.119 is like there was that New York subway guy who you know, killed 366 00:30:52.119 --> 00:30:55.279 that olmost guy because he was holding him down, right. You know, 367 00:30:56.000 --> 00:31:00.319 it's like when you're trying to hold someone down, something bad happens, it's 368 00:31:00.359 --> 00:31:06.359 now you're blamed, and you know it's or something that happens to you now, 369 00:31:06.400 --> 00:31:08.119 and it's like I don't know. I don't know the right answer. 370 00:31:08.480 --> 00:31:11.440 Do you do you think that's a part of the calculation. People don't want 371 00:31:11.440 --> 00:31:17.680 to get involved because they're afraid they might get sued or hurt themselves. I 372 00:31:17.680 --> 00:31:22.279 can understand if you're worried about your physical being. I understand that. But 373 00:31:22.440 --> 00:31:26.559 in this situation, maybe I'm I'm assessing a threat a little quicker than the 374 00:31:26.599 --> 00:31:30.559 average person. Yes is yeah, it's a homeless lady. It's like, 375 00:31:30.640 --> 00:31:34.200 yeah, come on, come on, now, as far as assailants go, 376 00:31:34.640 --> 00:31:37.400 you've got a good shot against certain Yeah, he probably hasn't eaten it 377 00:31:37.480 --> 00:31:44.559 a while. No, she's not gonna have a lot of stamina. Now 378 00:31:44.640 --> 00:31:49.480 Here's now here's the thing. And and to Tony's point, because this woman 379 00:31:51.440 --> 00:31:55.200 obviously looked out of her mind, you and I mo Mark, Tony, 380 00:31:55.279 --> 00:32:00.759 we may approach this differently because of our backgrounds, and that a side. 381 00:32:00.920 --> 00:32:07.200 The average person, who may not have the wherewithal to react quickly if a 382 00:32:07.240 --> 00:32:10.200 weapon is produced, may look at that and say, this lady is obviously 383 00:32:10.240 --> 00:32:13.920 out of her mind. I don't know what she may pull out of her 384 00:32:13.960 --> 00:32:16.440 pants, be at a straight edge razor, a knife, anything, And 385 00:32:16.480 --> 00:32:22.119 then they're thinking about their own own safety. So I do not advocate for 386 00:32:22.200 --> 00:32:27.759 anyone to jump in. I have an issue with someone standing by filming it 387 00:32:27.960 --> 00:32:30.720 just for to me social media, because that was they weren't filming that so 388 00:32:30.759 --> 00:32:34.960 it could go on Fox local news. They were filming that so they could 389 00:32:35.000 --> 00:32:37.279 post it somewhere. I don't like that part about our society. I don't 390 00:32:37.359 --> 00:32:42.079 like that spectator part. If you have enough wherewithal to pull out a phone 391 00:32:42.079 --> 00:32:44.880 and record it, you have enough to at least stand in and say, 392 00:32:44.920 --> 00:32:47.440 hey, hey, enough, stop that. I'm telling the police. Anything 393 00:32:49.359 --> 00:32:52.200 we did heed that. No one said doll nine one. One saw none 394 00:32:52.240 --> 00:32:55.680 of that, heard none of that. I just saw two people scrapping, 395 00:32:57.160 --> 00:33:00.400 and I'm glad the bus driver was not seriously hurt. But I am sure 396 00:33:00.400 --> 00:33:06.920 that we are seriously deficient as a society in caring for one another. It 397 00:33:06.960 --> 00:33:10.039 doesn't matter if you can if you're concerned about crime, but you won't help 398 00:33:10.079 --> 00:33:15.119 your fellow man or woman. It doesn't matter if you think crime needs to 399 00:33:15.160 --> 00:33:19.079 go down and we can hire more law enforcement. If you don't actually care 400 00:33:19.240 --> 00:33:22.440 about one another. We can't police ourselves out of this. We have to 401 00:33:22.480 --> 00:33:29.599 take some ownership and responsibility for our own damn community. It's Later with mo 402 00:33:29.759 --> 00:33:34.519 Kelly can if I AM six forty Life Everywhere on the iHeartRadio app. You're 403 00:33:34.559 --> 00:33:40.279 listening to Later with Mo Kelly on demand from KFI AM six forty