1 00:00:00,680 --> 00:00:06,360 In the dead of night, under a starlit sky, Colin Saunders's reality shattered 2 00:00:06,599 --> 00:00:12,960 as he witnessed a triangular craft silently gliding above, defying the laws of physics 3 00:00:13,199 --> 00:00:19,320 and challenging the very essence of his beliefs. This was no ordinary night in 4 00:00:19,399 --> 00:00:24,120 nineteen ninety nine. It marked the beginning of an odyssey into the unknown. 5 00:00:25,000 --> 00:00:30,280 Colin, propelled by this eerie encounter, embarked on a mission to uncover the 6 00:00:30,359 --> 00:00:35,719 truth. His quest led him to a startling discovery he was not alone. 7 00:00:36,439 --> 00:00:41,719 His book became a compilation of over one hundred thirty first hand accounts, each 8 00:00:41,840 --> 00:00:49,119 narrating close encounters with these enigmatic triangular u fos in the United Kingdom. But 9 00:00:49,240 --> 00:00:55,640 the narrative takes an even more bizarre turn. Witnesses reported not just sightings, 10 00:00:55,920 --> 00:01:02,159 but lost time, mysterious men in black, and a strange connection between UFOs 11 00:01:02,200 --> 00:01:08,400 and paranormal activities. The most bone chilling aspect reports of alien telepathy, a 12 00:01:08,439 --> 00:01:15,640 concept so alien it seems ripped from the pages of science fiction. Colin Saunders's 13 00:01:15,719 --> 00:01:21,760 story is a testament to the unexplained mysteries that hover in our skies, a 14 00:01:21,840 --> 00:01:27,799 reminder that the universe harbors secrets beyond our current understanding. His journey from a 15 00:01:27,879 --> 00:01:34,599 quiet night in nineteen ninety nine to delving into the depths of the unknown challenges 16 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:41,439 us to question what truths lie hidden in the night sky. But as we 17 00:01:41,519 --> 00:01:46,920 delve deeper into his narrative, one question lingers a question that might change everything 18 00:01:46,920 --> 00:01:52,560 we know about our world and ourselves. What if the answers we seek are 19 00:01:52,560 --> 00:01:57,159 not in the skies, but within us. Stay tuned for an exploration into 20 00:01:57,200 --> 00:02:07,000 the unknown, where reality and mystery collide. What's up, my friend? 21 00:02:07,360 --> 00:02:17,280 Consider this your official invitation to our upcoming four day Mystical Immersion Conference. It's 22 00:02:17,319 --> 00:02:22,680 gonna be amazing. We're gonna spend four days encountering the presence of God, 23 00:02:22,919 --> 00:02:29,439 going deep into the heart of Jesus to choose our mystical identity. We're gonna 24 00:02:29,439 --> 00:02:34,159 be exploring the power of your choice. We're gonna be tapping into the mystical 25 00:02:34,479 --> 00:02:39,479 side of our faith, which is pretty pretty much all of it, all 26 00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:46,759 while diving deep into our true identity, who we really are in Him. 27 00:02:47,360 --> 00:02:52,159 I'm so excited about this retreat because I've teamed up with some good friends of 28 00:02:52,199 --> 00:02:59,400 mine that's gonna make this thing even better myself. Gil Hodges from Kingdom talks 29 00:02:59,400 --> 00:03:04,400 Martin Smith with identity coaching. Come on, guys, and we'll also be 30 00:03:04,599 --> 00:03:19,599 joined by my good friend Lahaba. It's always something amazing when I team up 31 00:03:19,639 --> 00:03:24,240 with these guys. This four day encounter starts February the fifteenth through the eighteenth. 32 00:03:24,800 --> 00:03:29,840 It's going to be in Anderson, South Carolina. As of December fourth, 33 00:03:29,879 --> 00:03:31,639 we have released the early Bird Special, so make sure you get your 34 00:03:31,639 --> 00:03:37,039 tickets asap because the prices will increase. I can't wait to see you in 35 00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:43,080 twenty twenty four at the Choosing your Mystical Identity four day Encounter. It's going 36 00:03:43,159 --> 00:03:46,879 to be amazing. Go to seer dot School to get your tickets. Now, 37 00:03:47,439 --> 00:03:52,159 what's up, ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to the Troopsika Podcast. I'm 38 00:03:52,199 --> 00:03:58,680 excited to be here. We're talking about UFOs and the paranormal today. My 39 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:01,120 guest is Colin Son. Colin, welcome to the show. Brother, How 40 00:04:01,159 --> 00:04:04,719 are you ohm good? Thank you Derek, and thank you freeviting me to 41 00:04:04,759 --> 00:04:09,280 your show. I've seen the models and the pictures and these things that you've 42 00:04:09,280 --> 00:04:15,360 been creating, of these these craft that you've experienced, so you put out 43 00:04:15,360 --> 00:04:19,000 a book on this. You have models and this is like really a big 44 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:23,879 part of your life, so ready to dive into it with you your experiences 45 00:04:23,920 --> 00:04:28,360 and what you what got you into it, and while you're still like, 46 00:04:29,120 --> 00:04:30,920 I don't know if is obsessed a good word, but then yeah, I 47 00:04:30,920 --> 00:04:35,040 would say you obsessed is a pretty good yes. I think it had so 48 00:04:35,480 --> 00:04:40,279 much of an impact on me that night that I've never been able to stop 49 00:04:40,279 --> 00:04:45,439 thinking about it. It'll soon be twenty five years and I've thought about it 50 00:04:45,480 --> 00:04:49,639 every day since then, and I've had some other experiences as well, which 51 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:54,040 we can talk about along the way. Yeah, well, let's I love 52 00:04:54,079 --> 00:04:57,040 to start at the beginning always, so if you want to set that up 53 00:04:57,079 --> 00:05:00,199 for the listeners, just talk about, you know what got you I went 54 00:05:00,319 --> 00:05:03,480 to this field like that first encounter, and it would just build on now. 55 00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:08,680 Yes, Before before I get into the actual sighting, I just want 56 00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:13,560 to say that originally I've got no interest in UFOs. I wasn't looking through 57 00:05:13,560 --> 00:05:17,000 the UFO, just a passing interest like everybody else. I've been to see 58 00:05:17,040 --> 00:05:20,439 Style Wars at the Pictures when that came out all those years ago, but 59 00:05:20,560 --> 00:05:26,959 no great fascination, you know. I wasn't looking for this thing now. 60 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:30,439 Also, the reason why I think I personally make a good witness is because 61 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:34,000 of my working career, which I'll just quickly run through, because it does 62 00:05:34,040 --> 00:05:38,279 have a bearing I believe on the siting and all certainly on the model that 63 00:05:38,319 --> 00:05:45,079 I've built. I'm now heading for retirement. I'm sixty five now, but 64 00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:48,240 I spent all my life being a draftsman. I've been an electrical design draftsman. 65 00:05:49,240 --> 00:05:55,319 I've worked in the oil industry for Chevron Petroleum. I've worked in New 66 00:05:55,399 --> 00:06:00,879 Zealand for refrigeration companies. But more importantly I have worked on the airbus in 67 00:06:00,959 --> 00:06:03,959 Germany, and I also worked for SABAA Space for a couple of years in 68 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:10,240 Sweden on the civilian aircraft over there. And also along the way, I 69 00:06:10,279 --> 00:06:15,519 became auto CAD User of the Year back in I think I was nineteen eighty 70 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:17,879 nine. I've got the trophy behind me there somewhere. But auto CAD is 71 00:06:17,879 --> 00:06:23,120 a really good computer aided design package. I got quite involved in that. 72 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:29,199 So my whole life leading up to the encounter has been drawing basically on the 73 00:06:29,279 --> 00:06:34,920 drawing board and working with geometry, which I think obviously especially the aircraft industry 74 00:06:35,040 --> 00:06:41,040 gives me a good ground in what we saw that night. So if we 75 00:06:41,120 --> 00:06:45,680 go to that night it all started on the thirty first of March nineteen ninety 76 00:06:45,759 --> 00:06:50,839 nine. We've gone out for a meal in the English countryside in a little 77 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:56,639 village called Pailton. There's a pub there called the White Lion. And there 78 00:06:56,639 --> 00:06:59,480 were two cars. I was in the car, my wife was driving the 79 00:06:59,480 --> 00:07:02,279 first car, and my mother in law it was her birthday that day. 80 00:07:02,399 --> 00:07:05,600 She was sitting sitting next door to next to my wife, and I was 81 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:09,759 sitting in the back with my daughter. There's me and my daughter and my 82 00:07:09,800 --> 00:07:13,160 wife and my mother in law all in one vehicle, and in the next 83 00:07:13,240 --> 00:07:19,360 vehicle was my brother in law with his French partner and her grandparents. So 84 00:07:19,399 --> 00:07:23,079 we'd gone to the pub. We'd had a by our mill and everything was 85 00:07:23,079 --> 00:07:26,480 fine. Then we'd come to leave, and I remember as we pulled off, 86 00:07:26,839 --> 00:07:28,920 I looked through the back window of the car that we was in. 87 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:31,639 I could see my brother in law struggling to get the old French lady into 88 00:07:31,639 --> 00:07:35,000 the range rover. So we pulled off her head and I thought they'll soon 89 00:07:35,319 --> 00:07:42,639 soon catch us up. So off we went through the Warwickshire countryside. It's 90 00:07:42,680 --> 00:07:46,160 pitched black, there's no street lights, it's just country lanes, and we 91 00:07:46,240 --> 00:07:49,560 come up to an old Roman road called the Foss Way. This was built 92 00:07:49,680 --> 00:07:53,959 obviously centuries ago by by the Romans, and they apparently they build them on 93 00:07:54,040 --> 00:07:56,439 lay lines, but whether that's got anything to do with it or not, 94 00:07:56,480 --> 00:07:59,720 I don't know. But we said, right, we're just about to turn 95 00:07:59,759 --> 00:08:03,439 onto the Foss Way, and my daughter said, oh, there's been talk 96 00:08:03,519 --> 00:08:05,519 of headless horsemen down here, so we all laughed, had a bit of 97 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:09,480 chuckle, says, yeah, we'll keep our eyes open for in them. 98 00:08:09,720 --> 00:08:11,639 As soon as we turned the corner. He's actually half a mile away, 99 00:08:11,639 --> 00:08:16,360 because I've been there and measured it the very next day. With some lights 100 00:08:16,399 --> 00:08:18,879 hovering by the side of the road. There were red, mainly deep red, 101 00:08:18,920 --> 00:08:22,720 with a bit of white mingled up into the lights as well. Now, 102 00:08:22,720 --> 00:08:26,680 obviously we all got excited by this because this is a foss way. 103 00:08:26,720 --> 00:08:30,480 There's no street lights, there's no pylons, there's no aircraft lights, there's 104 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:33,679 nothing. It's just dark black countryside and there's been nothing on the way down. 105 00:08:33,720 --> 00:08:39,440 And we passed as don't like works or civil engineering, going on anything 106 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:43,799 along those lines. They were just these lights. So we all talking about 107 00:08:43,840 --> 00:08:46,159 them, saying there's too many lights for helicopter and two loaf airplane and that 108 00:08:46,200 --> 00:08:50,440 sort of thing, and they were just flashing away the brilliant lights show absolutely 109 00:08:50,519 --> 00:08:56,279 amazing, and we drove towards them, talking and getting all excited, and 110 00:08:56,320 --> 00:08:58,039 then we stopped more or less underneath them. I would say, and I'm 111 00:08:58,120 --> 00:09:03,080 very good with distancing, is this craft was one hundred feet away from us, 112 00:09:03,960 --> 00:09:07,279 except at this particular moment in time, there was no craft. It 113 00:09:07,320 --> 00:09:09,960 was just lights. These lights were just suspended in the sky, and I 114 00:09:09,960 --> 00:09:15,919 would say there must have only been something like fifty feet off the ground and 115 00:09:15,960 --> 00:09:18,759 one hundred feet away, extremely close. If I got a cricket ball that 116 00:09:18,799 --> 00:09:22,679 could have hit them. Now, on the back, there were four big 117 00:09:22,720 --> 00:09:28,919 red lights and they were tilted at an angle, and it just quickly show 118 00:09:28,960 --> 00:09:30,960 you on the book you can see these four red lights at the back. 119 00:09:31,039 --> 00:09:35,080 They weren't level with the earth. They were tilted at a slight angle, 120 00:09:35,519 --> 00:09:37,799 and there was a bit of white mixed in with these lights, and a 121 00:09:37,840 --> 00:09:41,960 smaller red light off to one side. And I remember staring at the fourth 122 00:09:41,960 --> 00:09:46,080 flight the highest one of the tilt, and it got like a crisscross effect 123 00:09:46,080 --> 00:09:50,919 on the lens. It looked really interesting. It looked like Newton's ring interference. 124 00:09:50,960 --> 00:09:56,240 It didn't look like a manufactured piece of glass like a stop light on 125 00:09:56,279 --> 00:10:00,200 the traffic lights. It looked like the light coming out of it was and 126 00:10:00,240 --> 00:10:03,000 these wave patterns in it and made it a criss cross pattern on it. 127 00:10:03,320 --> 00:10:05,519 And I'm thinking to myself, what on earth are we looking at here? 128 00:10:05,559 --> 00:10:11,000 It's absolutely incredible. As soon as I had that thought, I could see 129 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:16,679 the sky start to ripple around the lights. It's easy if I show you 130 00:10:16,759 --> 00:10:18,679 on this particular what this is the first model that I built. Actually, 131 00:10:20,720 --> 00:10:26,399 okay, I've got a battery pack. So we're looking at the rear end 132 00:10:26,480 --> 00:10:28,279 of this craft and it's tilted at an angle lights, but there's no craft. 133 00:10:28,399 --> 00:10:33,039 It's just these lights. And I can see another slight red light off 134 00:10:33,039 --> 00:10:35,600 to one side, which is this one on the front of the nose here, 135 00:10:35,399 --> 00:10:39,559 which I worked out later by building the model. So as I'm staring 136 00:10:39,600 --> 00:10:43,279 at this set of lights, we're all staring at them, the sky starts 137 00:10:43,279 --> 00:10:46,639 to ripple around the outside. It looked like a diamond shape, but that 138 00:10:46,759 --> 00:10:48,440 was cus. The nose was tilted down like this, so you can see 139 00:10:48,440 --> 00:10:52,919 the silhouette of a diamond. As soon as I've seen the sky start to 140 00:10:52,960 --> 00:10:58,039 ripple, I thought there's something around those lights. And then immediately it decloaked. 141 00:10:58,279 --> 00:11:01,480 It was like star Trek, you know, and Klingons de cloak their 142 00:11:01,559 --> 00:11:05,039 ship. It was just like that. It totally decloaked in front of us, 143 00:11:05,039 --> 00:11:11,279 and there was this enormous triangle, except the rear end was facing us. 144 00:11:11,360 --> 00:11:16,000 As soon as it materialized. What happened next was its nose. So 145 00:11:16,039 --> 00:11:20,399 here we are at the rear end of it. Its nose floated up in 146 00:11:20,440 --> 00:11:24,879 the air like that. Now, if it had tilted from the middle of 147 00:11:24,919 --> 00:11:26,720 the craft, it would have struck the ground. It was that close to 148 00:11:26,799 --> 00:11:31,240 the ground. So the rear end stay there it was, and the nose 149 00:11:31,320 --> 00:11:35,480 came up like this, like a like a horse rearing up to reveal the 150 00:11:35,519 --> 00:11:41,200 top surface of the craft. And the top of the craft was like a 151 00:11:41,240 --> 00:11:45,960 liquid effect with silver beams on top interlocking. As we go on, I'll 152 00:11:45,960 --> 00:11:48,919 show some more models that we've made, but show that in a better configuration. 153 00:11:50,480 --> 00:11:54,720 This is the first handbuilt model I made out of well, actually the 154 00:11:54,759 --> 00:11:58,720 second model, and the first one was stolen from from my vehicle. There 155 00:11:58,759 --> 00:12:01,600 was a break into the vehicle and somebody stole my first model, which was 156 00:12:01,639 --> 00:12:07,360 a bit a bit concern and I never did find it again. Whoever broke 157 00:12:07,399 --> 00:12:09,960 into the car, they took the cassette player out the dashboard and they took 158 00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:13,039 the model of the UFO. Well, the cassette player was worth nothing, 159 00:12:13,120 --> 00:12:16,840 So I've got a feeling that we're just looking for the for the UFO. 160 00:12:18,320 --> 00:12:26,000 Yeah, probably got that for Christmas. So at this point, there was 161 00:12:26,039 --> 00:12:28,559 something strange that happened. But we'll come back to that. Otherwise it will 162 00:12:30,279 --> 00:12:35,320 it will make more sense if we go through the sequence of events. So 163 00:12:35,440 --> 00:12:39,559 this craft materialized right in front of us, and we're all shouting stop, 164 00:12:39,559 --> 00:12:41,200 stop, wanting to get out. When we got me and my mother in 165 00:12:41,320 --> 00:12:45,080 law. She was seventy two that day. She's passed away. Now, 166 00:12:45,159 --> 00:12:48,480 unfortunately we would have got on board. We were so excited to see this 167 00:12:48,519 --> 00:12:50,720 thing in front of us. I mean, it was just beautiful to look 168 00:12:50,759 --> 00:12:54,639 out the way it'd been manufactured. Also, when it materialized, the two 169 00:12:56,039 --> 00:12:58,960 wing tips that were closest to us, they had like little fluffy white plows 170 00:13:00,200 --> 00:13:05,960 of condensation appeared on them, and I believe that's because the craft itself was 171 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:11,519 extremely cold, and this condensation is creating and it's come to the least points 172 00:13:11,519 --> 00:13:15,360 of resistance, which was the three points of the triangle. Again, I'll 173 00:13:15,360 --> 00:13:16,840 come back to that a little bit later on as to why I think that 174 00:13:16,960 --> 00:13:20,799 that occurred. All right, so we're looking at it, said, let's 175 00:13:20,799 --> 00:13:24,519 stop, let's want to get out, and my wife is a very sensible 176 00:13:24,559 --> 00:13:28,000 person. So she drove forward to reverse into a gateway. The gateway was 177 00:13:28,120 --> 00:13:31,879 pretty much underneath this craft at the side of the road. It was a 178 00:13:31,919 --> 00:13:35,759 gateway to a horses field and there was a stable there were some horses in. 179 00:13:35,440 --> 00:13:37,679 But as she pulled forward, there was a big hedge that blocked the 180 00:13:37,759 --> 00:13:41,200 view, and I thought to himself, it's going to go. It's going 181 00:13:41,279 --> 00:13:43,519 to go now. So she reversed into heage. We jumped out and sure 182 00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:48,159 enough could have gone. We got out of town. We stood there. 183 00:13:48,159 --> 00:13:52,000 There were no smell of any aviation fuel, no thermal signature, nothing. 184 00:13:52,799 --> 00:13:56,840 In fact, it was deadly quiet. But what we did see in the 185 00:13:56,879 --> 00:14:00,840 distance was another craft going away with four big red lights on the back. 186 00:14:01,039 --> 00:14:03,639 But this one was absolutely massive. This was like the size of a football 187 00:14:03,679 --> 00:14:07,679 pitch. We stood there looking at that going away, and I was going 188 00:14:07,720 --> 00:14:09,960 that earth is there? Look? And I knew nothing about UFOs. I 189 00:14:09,960 --> 00:14:13,440 said, look, it's changed its size. It's massive and how And then 190 00:14:13,440 --> 00:14:15,639 we're going, oh, I don't know. The girls are saying, I 191 00:14:15,679 --> 00:14:20,279 don't know what it is. So then we got back into the car, 192 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:24,919 drove drove back home. Now my mother in law lives next to my brother 193 00:14:24,919 --> 00:14:26,000 in law. Brought the house next door to my mother in law. He 194 00:14:26,120 --> 00:14:28,440 was in the range rover, the one that was back at the pub, 195 00:14:30,759 --> 00:14:35,639 So the whole episode didn't last very long. We drove home and there, 196 00:14:35,679 --> 00:14:39,399 to our surprise, was the range rover, and they arrived home before us. 197 00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:43,279 And also they were all out of the ranger over inside the house having 198 00:14:43,279 --> 00:14:46,799 a cup of tea. So they've obviously arrived home a bit before we arrived 199 00:14:46,840 --> 00:14:48,440 home. But we've never seen them pass us, and they never saw us, 200 00:14:48,440 --> 00:14:52,919 and they never saw the craft either. It was all very peculiar. 201 00:14:54,720 --> 00:14:58,279 So what happened then was because of my a Ddrassmen, I started drawing it 202 00:14:58,279 --> 00:15:01,759 the very next day. I was running my own business at the time, 203 00:15:01,559 --> 00:15:05,720 so that gave me the opportunity to start making some models. But I started 204 00:15:05,799 --> 00:15:09,519 drawing it for a start, producing some nice, clear concise pictures of what 205 00:15:09,559 --> 00:15:13,799 we've seen that night, and me my daughter draw some pictures as well. 206 00:15:13,519 --> 00:15:16,159 And then I started to make the models. And like I said, the 207 00:15:16,200 --> 00:15:20,799 first one was stolen them from the vand the second one was this one, 208 00:15:20,879 --> 00:15:26,200 the wooden one apply with the battery in lights. But then a friend of 209 00:15:26,240 --> 00:15:30,159 mine came to see me one day and he said he brought three D printer 210 00:15:30,759 --> 00:15:33,879 and as part of an experiment he wanted to make, he had my UFO 211 00:15:33,919 --> 00:15:39,720 for me, so he produced this. This is the first one. So 212 00:15:39,840 --> 00:15:43,559 this is the first triangle the Lea produced for me on the three D printer. 213 00:15:45,200 --> 00:15:46,320 And if you look at it closely, you can see it's got the 214 00:15:46,320 --> 00:15:52,200 beams there. You can see the beams raised upon the surface and he's put 215 00:15:52,279 --> 00:15:56,679 some batteries in it, so we've got the lights at the back, the 216 00:15:56,840 --> 00:16:00,200 lights underneath, etc. I mean, it really is a beautiful piece of 217 00:16:00,279 --> 00:16:03,120 kit. It took me a long time to make it. It didn't want 218 00:16:03,120 --> 00:16:08,120 anything for doing it. The difficult part was getting all the design files together 219 00:16:08,200 --> 00:16:11,879 to print it. Once you do that it's fairly easy to keep manufacturing. 220 00:16:11,919 --> 00:16:15,279 So I came up with a great idea. I said, if I sell 221 00:16:15,360 --> 00:16:18,799 these on eBay for you, will you make me a big one. I 222 00:16:18,840 --> 00:16:22,440 don't want any money. I just want you to make me a large craft 223 00:16:22,440 --> 00:16:26,919 that's more like the original we saw that night. So we did. And 224 00:16:26,039 --> 00:16:30,039 here it is. This is the final the final model, which switched the 225 00:16:30,120 --> 00:16:33,960 lights on on this one. Now this one has got the full color if 226 00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:38,080 you like. So for instance, if you look at the surface, we 227 00:16:38,120 --> 00:16:41,919 can see the beams, they're a different color to the liquid surface. Can 228 00:16:41,960 --> 00:16:45,679 you see the surface of the craft, It looks like it's a liquid and 229 00:16:45,759 --> 00:16:48,000 made a great job of the paint job on this particular craft, this model, 230 00:16:49,240 --> 00:16:53,519 it looked like liquid mercury running up and down the surface. But the 231 00:16:53,600 --> 00:16:59,200 beam and it was moving. It was all moving, but the silver beams 232 00:16:59,200 --> 00:17:02,759 were not moving. When they were interlocking at ninety degrees, you could see 233 00:17:02,799 --> 00:17:06,200 it had clearly been manufactured. But it looked like nothing had ever seen in 234 00:17:06,200 --> 00:17:08,200 my life. But it looked organic. It looked like it was alive. 235 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:12,119 Even though you could see it was a craft that had been manufactured, it 236 00:17:12,160 --> 00:17:15,680 looked alive. It felt like it was alive, and when it tilted up, 237 00:17:17,319 --> 00:17:19,440 three thoughts came straight into my mind. The first one was, my 238 00:17:19,480 --> 00:17:23,640 God, aliens exist. The second one was abductions take must take place. 239 00:17:23,720 --> 00:17:27,839 And the third one, this explains mysteries from history like pyramids and things, 240 00:17:27,880 --> 00:17:32,640 because I've got the feeling these guys have been around a long long time. 241 00:17:33,880 --> 00:17:38,000 So this is the final model. The underneath of the model is actually based 242 00:17:38,079 --> 00:17:42,880 on a Belgium siding. I met a gentleman called Omar Fowler. He sent 243 00:17:42,920 --> 00:17:47,000 me some drawings that had been made in Belgium. This was back in the 244 00:17:47,039 --> 00:17:49,559 eighties. This is the underneath. We never saw the underneath. We only 245 00:17:49,599 --> 00:17:52,759 saw the rear end and then the top as it rose up as it and 246 00:17:52,799 --> 00:17:56,759 it floated like a submarine underwater. The way it moved, it was really 247 00:17:56,799 --> 00:18:02,160 weird to see its maneuver. But this one in Belgium had also got these 248 00:18:02,200 --> 00:18:06,400 lines in relief coming off the surface interlocking. It just seemed to me it 249 00:18:06,400 --> 00:18:10,839 could be the same craft because we've got the beams on the top coming off 250 00:18:11,759 --> 00:18:14,880 now the one in Belgium. Now, are there pictures of that or is 251 00:18:15,359 --> 00:18:18,599 our witness testimony? There's no pictures of it? Now there's are drawings that 252 00:18:18,640 --> 00:18:22,039 the guy did when it flew over his head, and I got sketches of 253 00:18:22,079 --> 00:18:30,200 that inside the book that I've written. So this is what I always called 254 00:18:30,240 --> 00:18:36,039 the nuts and bolts of the story the craft. The models were built, 255 00:18:40,240 --> 00:18:44,559 but there is more to it, and this is what really freaked out and 256 00:18:44,559 --> 00:18:49,160 probably why I've become obsessed, especially as I'm an engineer by trade. I 257 00:18:49,200 --> 00:18:52,880 mean, just seeing the thing was incredible. It just blew me away. 258 00:18:53,279 --> 00:18:56,519 You knew straight away it was not from this world. You could just tell, 259 00:18:57,319 --> 00:19:00,480 and it was like the Odds effect. When we got out the car, 260 00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:03,759 it was so quiet and there's nothing around, and after a while cars 261 00:19:03,759 --> 00:19:11,279 are coming again and with the air traffic. But what happened was, again 262 00:19:11,359 --> 00:19:15,319 this is going to sound really weird. They were staring at the rear of 263 00:19:15,319 --> 00:19:18,200 the craft, and I'm staring at this particular light here, the one that's 264 00:19:18,200 --> 00:19:23,640 got the crisscross effect. Then it materializes and you get the white fluffy clouds 265 00:19:23,640 --> 00:19:29,079 around these wing tips and around the front one as well. But then as 266 00:19:29,119 --> 00:19:32,440 it rose in the air like this, as it floated up, all of 267 00:19:32,480 --> 00:19:34,680 a sudden, I had this close up view. It's like somebody had put 268 00:19:34,720 --> 00:19:37,599 a pair of monopoas in front of my eyes, and what I could see 269 00:19:37,720 --> 00:19:41,920 this was the first view was a close up of the beams interlocking. The 270 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:47,440 second view was the nose, and it was that close I couldn't see any 271 00:19:47,480 --> 00:19:48,559 more of the beams. I could just see the big round nose and the 272 00:19:48,559 --> 00:19:52,640 way it had been manufactured was absolutely stunning. I remember thinking, this is 273 00:19:52,720 --> 00:19:56,440 so beautiful. And then there was a third view, a side of you, 274 00:19:56,559 --> 00:20:00,880 which showed a milky white core, and it showed the top and the 275 00:20:00,880 --> 00:20:06,519 bottom joined this milky white corn. They rolled over like a hovercraft skin or 276 00:20:06,559 --> 00:20:11,039 the edges of a pie that had been baked in. So there were three 277 00:20:11,640 --> 00:20:18,400 distinct close up views now that allowed me to build the model to such a 278 00:20:18,440 --> 00:20:22,599 great accuracy. This is an accurate reconstruction of the model. Without those extra 279 00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:29,680 views, I wouldn't have been able to build this because from from my viewpoint, 280 00:20:29,880 --> 00:20:32,640 there's no way we would have seen this side view. Here we only 281 00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:37,599 saw the back and the top. So I thought for many years that I'd 282 00:20:37,599 --> 00:20:41,640 had an out of body experience, but I meant I met a gentleman at 283 00:20:41,640 --> 00:20:45,559 a UFO conference. I'm sure he would have heard of him, Bud Hopkins. 284 00:20:47,240 --> 00:20:51,799 I met quite a few famous UFO researchers over the years, these come 285 00:20:51,839 --> 00:20:56,359 to conferences that we had in Leeds in the north of England. Now I've 286 00:20:56,359 --> 00:20:59,640 got five minutes with Bud. I told him the story of the craft, 287 00:20:59,680 --> 00:21:03,319 how it teerialized, and then how I got these close views. And I 288 00:21:03,319 --> 00:21:07,119 said to him, I think I had an out of body experience, and 289 00:21:07,119 --> 00:21:11,000 Bud says to me, Nay says that that wasn't an out of body experience. 290 00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:15,039 He says, they were images placed in your mind by the occupants on 291 00:21:15,079 --> 00:21:19,799 board the craft. It was like telepathy. And I thought that sounds a 292 00:21:19,839 --> 00:21:25,920 bit weird, that sounds a bit far out that and then somebody, this 293 00:21:26,039 --> 00:21:27,240 was the woman who was in the queue, put it in and that was 294 00:21:27,279 --> 00:21:30,920 the end of my conversation with Bud. Unfortunately, he couldn't expand on why 295 00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:37,400 he thought that. But I still kept on clinging to the idea out of 296 00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:42,039 body experience. I didn't take on board the telepathy. I tried to do 297 00:21:42,079 --> 00:21:45,400 an out of body again and read books on it, but nothing happened. 298 00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:52,640 And then one day, what had happened. I did a presentation in Birmingham 299 00:21:52,799 --> 00:21:56,160 and I talked about the close viewing, and the guy there, Dave Holden, 300 00:21:56,200 --> 00:22:00,359 said to me that he had a similar report where an alien got out 301 00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:03,799 of a craft and this guy was standing on a farmer's gate quite a distance 302 00:22:03,839 --> 00:22:07,920 away, but all of a sudden, the alien's face was right in front 303 00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:11,720 of him, telling him to get away and move. He shouldn't be there. 304 00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:18,920 I was thinking, that's very similar now, as coincidences go. Within 305 00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:22,319 two weeks of that, I had an email from a guy in Connecticut, 306 00:22:22,839 --> 00:22:26,839 in America, and he started off by saying, I've had a close encounter 307 00:22:26,839 --> 00:22:30,279 with a triangle and just like you, I had three images placed in my 308 00:22:30,319 --> 00:22:33,519 mind, three close up views. And he went on to tell me the 309 00:22:33,519 --> 00:22:37,680 details of the craft that he saw. He thinks one of the views was 310 00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:41,559 internal of the craft, but he's seen this from his car and the craft 311 00:22:41,559 --> 00:22:44,839 got very close to him, and then there was some other interaction with it 312 00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:48,799 as well. He's never told anybody that. He's not told mouf On or 313 00:22:48,799 --> 00:22:51,480 anybody else. He's only got in touch with me because he saw one of 314 00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:56,319 my presentations on the Internet. Now, when I read that, it was 315 00:22:56,359 --> 00:23:00,960 like eureka. The penny dropped all of the sudden I realized Bud Hopkins was 316 00:23:02,079 --> 00:23:07,079 right. I've been listening to a lot of David Jacobs stuff on the aductees 317 00:23:07,319 --> 00:23:11,799 and everything is done by telepathy. Now a lot of the time images are 318 00:23:11,799 --> 00:23:15,759 placed in people's minds. Now that would make sense. I've spent my whole 319 00:23:15,799 --> 00:23:18,680 life working with images. That's what I do, and I'm still doing it 320 00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:23,599 now. Actually I'm doing embroidery, designs, digitization of different logos, etc. 321 00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:29,920 So my whole life has been spent around images, and an image paints 322 00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:34,000 picture paints a thousand words. So it then became clear that what took place 323 00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:38,200 was that during the closed encounter, and this took me a while to tetie 324 00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:42,680 on board, an alien on board that craft had telepathy with me and put 325 00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:48,119 those images into my mind. And over the years I have wondered whether the 326 00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:53,279 first three thoughts that I had when the craft tilted up may have been telepathy 327 00:23:53,319 --> 00:23:56,599 as well, because I didn't. It was like meeting God, even though 328 00:23:56,640 --> 00:24:00,799 I'm not religious. It was beautiful, it was not frightening, it was 329 00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:04,400 totally the opposite. You felt love and just felt flipping neck. This is 330 00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:15,480 amazing, absolutely incredible, right, you know? So I believe right what 331 00:24:15,599 --> 00:24:18,480 happened then, and I've put it all in the book. I started to 332 00:24:18,519 --> 00:24:22,559 have some strange experiences after the event. Now, I was forty years old 333 00:24:22,839 --> 00:24:26,599 when I saw the craft. In the first forty years of my life, 334 00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:30,240 as far as I can recall, I had no paranormal experiences, no UFOs, 335 00:24:30,279 --> 00:24:33,559 no ghost no nothing. Now, all of a sudden, after the 336 00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:41,039 UFO, I'm starting to have some stranger things happening, paranormal things, and 337 00:24:41,079 --> 00:24:44,599 I believe this hapms quite a lot with people. It's called the hitch Eiker 338 00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:47,920 effect. I've even got a name for it now, whereby people who have 339 00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:52,359 close encounters go on to other things happened to them. So I kept a 340 00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:56,680 list of everything that took place, and I put the dates on as well. 341 00:24:56,680 --> 00:25:00,559 I'd rather did that now put all of those into the book for about 342 00:25:00,599 --> 00:25:07,079 eighteen months. It's certainly quite quite an off a lot now, but I'll 343 00:25:07,079 --> 00:25:10,279 tell you about one of them. For instance, and this is such an 344 00:25:10,319 --> 00:25:12,319 interesting one. I was at the river fishing. I love fishing. So 345 00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:18,319 I'm down the river saw in Bothly in Leicestershire, actually standing in the water 346 00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:22,200 in waders fishing, and I am loving it. I'm in my element. 347 00:25:22,279 --> 00:25:25,799 I'm actually a beautiful thing to do and it's a lovely day. And then 348 00:25:25,839 --> 00:25:30,119 I hear some footsteps coming across the field towards me, and I thought, 349 00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:33,880 oh, that's could be some guys shooting from the farm. I've seen him 350 00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:36,039 in the past, like so I'd better get up and make myself known that 351 00:25:36,079 --> 00:25:37,839 I'm sitting at the river. Down at the river, so I climb quite 352 00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:42,519 a big bank, climb up bank onto the towpath and there was nothing there, 353 00:25:44,079 --> 00:25:47,519 but the noise was continuing and it was coming towards me, and there 354 00:25:47,559 --> 00:25:52,440 was four footsteps, either two people or one big animal. And I started 355 00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:56,200 to freak out a little bit here because it's getting closer and I can't see 356 00:25:56,240 --> 00:26:00,519 anything. It's totally invisible. So in my rod hole, I've got an 357 00:26:00,599 --> 00:26:03,599 umbrella with a big spike that you're sticking to the ground, so I took 358 00:26:03,599 --> 00:26:04,880 that out for protection. And I was thinking what am I going to do? 359 00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:10,240 And I thought before was it could have been a cat. So I 360 00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:12,240 think if it's a big cat, because they do get released in the countryside, 361 00:26:12,279 --> 00:26:14,920 and then it's going to come for me. I'm going to go back 362 00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:18,119 down the bank of the river and get it to jump on me and impair 363 00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:22,279 it on this spike that I've got. I mean, that's that was my 364 00:26:22,319 --> 00:26:26,200 game plan. Oh, bricking it. I was really scared. I have 365 00:26:26,279 --> 00:26:29,160 to say. Now, this thing, whatever it was, walked in front 366 00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:32,559 of me, maybe six foot in front of me, and it went from 367 00:26:32,599 --> 00:26:34,640 left to right, but not a blade of grass was moving, not a 368 00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:38,119 trig was moving. And then it just started to fade away. So I 369 00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:41,960 started hitting the grass with the pole that I got in the spike, and 370 00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:45,559 then I put that in my arm and clapped my hands. Nothing came out, 371 00:26:45,599 --> 00:26:49,000 and I stood there and it just went. And I thought, you 372 00:26:49,039 --> 00:26:53,000 know that that wasn't here. That was somewhere else. You hear these things 373 00:26:53,039 --> 00:27:00,160 where it's some sort of space time contingency. Something took place, but whatever 374 00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:04,119 it was was not in our world. And that was the day, that 375 00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:11,039 exact point that I realized that the UFO I had seen was not from outer 376 00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:15,079 space. It's got to be dimensional, because it's left a residue with me, 377 00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:18,319 and these other things are happening. And I wonder whether these other things 378 00:27:18,319 --> 00:27:21,480 happen all the time, but we're just not aware of them. We're not 379 00:27:21,559 --> 00:27:26,319 using our brain to pick them up. But from the UFO experience, for 380 00:27:26,319 --> 00:27:30,440 the next eighteen months or quite a lot of things that took place that were 381 00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:33,240 paranormal. And I know this was left over from the UFO because I had 382 00:27:33,319 --> 00:27:40,119 nothing prior to the UFO. So I am absolutely convinced that these beings are 383 00:27:40,319 --> 00:27:44,480 interdimensional. I don't believe they live in hollow Earth. I don't believe they 384 00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:45,759 living, and they might live in the Earth, they might live in another 385 00:27:45,799 --> 00:27:52,839 sea. But the way the encounter took place, it was almost like we 386 00:27:52,839 --> 00:27:56,440 were in a different dimension ourselves for a short while, because the next day 387 00:27:56,440 --> 00:28:02,200 when we went back from where we turned onto the Fosse Way, there's no 388 00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:04,119 way we could have seen it. There were too many trees and bushes and 389 00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:11,319 stuff in the way. It was almost like it was a different scenery. 390 00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:15,319 But all of it was just so strange. But the gateway was still there 391 00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:21,000 the next day. But yeah, the whole the whole thing at this high 392 00:28:21,039 --> 00:28:26,599 strangeness about it. So that's pretty much the story, and it's calmed down 393 00:28:26,599 --> 00:28:29,960 now. Though at the end of this chat, I'll tell you something that 394 00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:33,119 happened just a couple of weeks ago to a friend of mine well to my 395 00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:38,160 wife actually, so that generally is what took place, and that's why I've 396 00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:44,359 become obsessed because of the telepathy. I believe, and it sounds odd, 397 00:28:44,359 --> 00:28:48,480 but I believe I've had telepathy with an alien during that closing encounter, and 398 00:28:48,519 --> 00:28:52,559 that was to build this the model. Yeah, I love the fact that 399 00:28:56,480 --> 00:29:00,319 you seem like a regular well to do guy, you know, and like 400 00:29:00,359 --> 00:29:04,400 somebody seeking attention, seeking, seeking fame or you know, this is just 401 00:29:04,599 --> 00:29:10,920 your story, regular guy, and you had this encounter. So for you 402 00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:15,559 to be able to share all of these little weird nuances like the telepathic communication, 403 00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:19,599 feeling like you may have left your body, and then the paranorma that 404 00:29:19,759 --> 00:29:25,480 continued to happen. I love that because it's always like, you know, 405 00:29:25,559 --> 00:29:30,359 the woo woo people or you know, this crazy redneck farmer in the field 406 00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:33,759 or something. But it's somebody that's got their stuff together. It's a professional 407 00:29:33,839 --> 00:29:40,119 in your field, you're trusted with a lot of responsibility, and then you 408 00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:44,359 have the encounter. So I really love the fact that that people are at 409 00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:47,440 least talking about it. Let's say that, because maybe, yeah, maybe 410 00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:49,799 those people have been having the encounters, they just don't want to talk about 411 00:29:49,799 --> 00:29:55,920 it to seem woo woo crazy, you know stuff. Was there ever that 412 00:29:56,000 --> 00:30:00,279 for you or was it just like way to make sense? I mean, 413 00:30:00,359 --> 00:30:03,279 over the last twenty odd years, nearly twenty five years, I think there's 414 00:30:03,279 --> 00:30:07,440 only been one of two people who have we ruled it. Everybody else has 415 00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:10,440 gone with it, and a lot of them has actually said like, because 416 00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:12,279 it's you, we believe you've seen something we need to see ourselves. I 417 00:30:12,319 --> 00:30:17,759 mean, I needed to see it myself, but obviously I've got integrity and 418 00:30:17,839 --> 00:30:22,759 people believe what I'm telling them to be honest. The amazing thing is the 419 00:30:22,759 --> 00:30:26,839 amount of people that I've met in the UFO world over the last twenty five 420 00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:32,920 years who have had experiences. So it's lovely talking to those people because I'm 421 00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:37,720 not here to try and convert anybody to make them believe. I'm just telling 422 00:30:37,759 --> 00:30:41,640 my story and it's to you whether you want to take it on board or 423 00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:45,759 not. I mean the book, For instance, I went to a conference. 424 00:30:45,839 --> 00:30:48,079 I was asked if I would do a presentation take my models along, 425 00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:52,559 and I did that. I got quite nervous, but I managed to do 426 00:30:52,599 --> 00:30:57,240 an hour's presentation which went really well, and then then a guy I called 427 00:30:57,279 --> 00:31:03,640 them Philip Kins other of the twins, Philip and Ronald Kinsella. I've had 428 00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:07,920 them both on Yeah, chatting with them, and they Philip said, well, 429 00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:10,640 why don't you write a book. I said, well, I've thought 430 00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:14,279 about writing the book, but not until I retire, and I'm not sure 431 00:31:14,279 --> 00:31:15,799 what I'll be able to fill it. And said, we'll just do like 432 00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:21,359 the extension of your presentation that you've done today. So I thought, right, 433 00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:23,920 So I came home and I started writing the book. Now put me 434 00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:29,880 in everything I've been talking about to yourself. But we didn't have enough to 435 00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:33,079 fill the book. I was in touch with Philip Mantle, I've met him 436 00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:37,519 many times over the years, and he was saying, we really need to 437 00:31:37,559 --> 00:31:42,160 get some more sightings in there, some other people's experiences. So I worked 438 00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:47,960 on it quite quite hard. And I'll produce the book because I want to 439 00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:51,319 tell people my story. I haven't produced it because I want to make money. 440 00:31:52,079 --> 00:31:56,720 That's not the point of the book. So what's happened. I've created 441 00:31:56,920 --> 00:32:01,960 like this almost in hisilopedia. I've got a hundred thirty different close encounters in 442 00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:07,480 the book. That is a phenomenal amount and not one of those sightings, 443 00:32:07,559 --> 00:32:12,000 not two of those sightings are the same. They're all different, which it 444 00:32:12,079 --> 00:32:15,519 gets through the TR three B theory. Yeah, that's the first thing that 445 00:32:15,559 --> 00:32:17,160 comes to my mind when you show them maths, you know, because that's 446 00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:22,079 the popular one, at least the ones they've released to us in the public 447 00:32:22,079 --> 00:32:25,160 eye, and those kind of things. Well, it's what people that released 448 00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:30,519 on the internet. But we've never got any definitive answer that they actually do 449 00:32:30,599 --> 00:32:35,440 exist or photos do exist. I'm sure because I realized on that next day 450 00:32:35,599 --> 00:32:38,160 that if I'd seen this UFO and they're real, I'm not the only one 451 00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:40,799 that's done it. And the military must know about it. So they must 452 00:32:40,839 --> 00:32:45,079 be working on these projects. But whether they can understand them or not, 453 00:32:45,799 --> 00:32:49,759 I don't know. It would be a certain amount. Maybe there might be 454 00:32:49,839 --> 00:32:53,079 materials that are not available on this planet that have come from other dimensions. 455 00:32:53,400 --> 00:33:00,920 I believe from what I've heard from other abductees that they fly the at with 456 00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:05,839 the mind, not with conventional equipment light. So to get a human to 457 00:33:05,839 --> 00:33:14,519 try and fly an alien spacecraft must be very difficult. So yeah, so 458 00:33:14,759 --> 00:33:19,400 the book. I created the book, and what I started to do when 459 00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:22,200 people were writing to me with their own sightings was to ask if they've had 460 00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:29,400 any other paranormal experiences, and I was getting more people saying yes than no. 461 00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:34,039 God I knew it. I knew this would happen. It's the dimensional 462 00:33:34,079 --> 00:33:37,319 thing. So all of these people, and I think the majority of them, 463 00:33:37,359 --> 00:33:38,759 apart from myself, I seem to be a bit different to the others. 464 00:33:39,119 --> 00:33:45,960 I've had paranormal experiences during childhood and growing up in the teens, and 465 00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:51,200 all of it then culminates in the UFO experience. It's the other way around 466 00:33:51,319 --> 00:33:52,759 me. I had nothing, had the UFO experience and started to have the 467 00:33:52,759 --> 00:34:00,359 paranormal experiences afterwards. That has made me realize that there must be a lot 468 00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:05,200 of people see a lot of things in this world, and they probably don't 469 00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:08,960 talk about it. It probably might be scared to that from what they've seen. 470 00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:14,360 Yeah, but the world is not as we imagine it to be. 471 00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:16,519 It's not just the nuts and bolts and everything we see, and I see 472 00:34:16,559 --> 00:34:21,119 it all in a different light. Now makes me laugh sometimes at the way 473 00:34:21,159 --> 00:34:23,960 the humors are behaving and what the oilers must must think about us. But 474 00:34:24,039 --> 00:34:30,760 the book has been very enlightened, seems, I mean it seems like they're 475 00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:36,480 trying to help. It seems like they're trying to help, but we don't 476 00:34:36,519 --> 00:34:42,840 know what we're looking at, and they're trying to show us things. One 477 00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:46,599 of the first things that comes to me with my own experiences that I try 478 00:34:46,639 --> 00:34:52,880 to find similarities in what you're sharing, is almost like they're trying to show 479 00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:59,360 us free energy and technology. I mean, we read that all of the 480 00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:01,159 ancient Holy books, right you said that, that's like, okay, this 481 00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:05,440 ancient history, this explains it. When we read about that, there's all 482 00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:09,960 of this stuff about how the angels taught man technology. They taught them all 483 00:35:10,039 --> 00:35:15,239 types of really cool stuff that they didn't know. Mankind eventually learns how to 484 00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:19,920 use it and uses it for evil for the most part, right you know, 485 00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:23,159 rulers, and they keep it away from the regular people. Maybe this 486 00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:32,760 is them trying to share this beautiful technology with regular people. I've seen many 487 00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:38,360 different, you know, visions and estatic encounters where things are just not as 488 00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:46,239 they seem and it seems like it's beyond my pay grade, Like why I 489 00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:50,400 don't know what to do with this kind of thing. Someone like you, 490 00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:52,280 maybe a little bit closer to you, making models right, I mean, 491 00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:55,440 we're doing our part. I'll say that right where I got a podcast. 492 00:35:55,480 --> 00:36:00,360 I'm at least now we're talking kind of thing, and I'm interested and to 493 00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:05,039 see the bigger picture on the collective how it works. So that's that's a 494 00:36:05,039 --> 00:36:08,679 wind for sure. But because when you look at the technology, whether it's 495 00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:16,519 ancient or future technology both probably right. Have you seen the videos of like 496 00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:24,000 what can be done with mercury, Like, there's really interesting videos of them 497 00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:30,239 putting electricity to mercury. That is, that's a liquid, it'll start spinning 498 00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:36,599 and then and then it'll solidify instantly by putting electricity or something to mercury. 499 00:36:36,679 --> 00:36:39,679 Have you seen any of that, because that's what it seems like, you 500 00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:44,239 know, that's what you said that the liquid looked like and then has the 501 00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:47,760 ability to orph and chain shape instantly. We've seen those videos, you know, 502 00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:52,679 yes, Yeah, that's good point. Now I watched a video. 503 00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:59,400 Somebody sent me a video of a chap called boz a Mosa I think his 504 00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:04,000 name was his own YouTube. He does an experiment with the quantum livitation. 505 00:37:04,639 --> 00:37:07,679 So he gets a piece of metal and he freezes it down to zero degrees 506 00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:12,119 Calvin. Then he puts it on a man exit field and it just goes 507 00:37:12,199 --> 00:37:15,239 round and round, and if you stop it, it just sits in the 508 00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:19,599 air with listening attached to it. But what amazed me about it was that 509 00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:22,599 the amount of vapor that was coming off the piece of metal because the metal 510 00:37:22,679 --> 00:37:27,440 was so cold. And then that gave me an idea that gave me a 511 00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:32,719 theory. So this is the theory. But bear in mind, this is 512 00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:37,840 not a man made craft. This is definitely Ailien because of the dimensional stuff 513 00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:42,840 I've experienced since then. So, but what I wondered was the liquid on 514 00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:47,320 the surface here, if that is something like liquid nitrogen or liquid mercury that's 515 00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:52,599 freezing cold zero degrees Calvin. These beams on the surface, Now, if 516 00:37:52,639 --> 00:37:59,519 these protrude through the transparent skin down into the liquid, all of these beams 517 00:37:59,559 --> 00:38:04,519 then become superconductors. All of these beams are super chilled top had bottom. 518 00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:07,719 And once you've got these are superconductors, you then got quantum lemitation. So 519 00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:10,920 then the craft will just sit there in mid air and then you'll be able 520 00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:15,840 to direct it whichever direction you want to go in. But rather than using 521 00:38:15,119 --> 00:38:22,360 the normal proportion system, I think they're using quantum levitation using the liquid to 522 00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:25,079 freeze these beams on the surface. Now, often you'll hear people talk about 523 00:38:25,599 --> 00:38:30,760 pipes that look like refrigerator pipes running around underneath of a craft. And I've 524 00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:34,960 got a picture in the book from Michael Shack that shows one of these craft 525 00:38:35,639 --> 00:38:39,559 full of pipes running up and down the surface. Now, I surmise that 526 00:38:39,599 --> 00:38:45,920 those pipes are carrying the liquid and so all of the pipework becomes a superconductor, 527 00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:50,440 whereas this is slightly different. This is got like a whole lake of 528 00:38:52,199 --> 00:38:55,360 liquid mercury with the beams inserted into it. But the end result is quantum 529 00:38:55,480 --> 00:39:01,760 levitation. And because of the when it materialized, and we've got the little 530 00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:06,679 vaporization that little clouds on the tips on the three tips of the craft, 531 00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:13,800 that makes me suspect that it is extremely cold. But I don't know. 532 00:39:14,199 --> 00:39:20,119 We're only guessing. But it is my theory that I've gone that one of 533 00:39:20,159 --> 00:39:28,800 the things you said about you gazing at the craft and awe and in wonder 534 00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:32,920 and your eyes are fixated, and then you feel like, you don't know, 535 00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:37,039 if you had an out of body experience, there was this weird exchange 536 00:39:37,079 --> 00:39:44,199 where you saw it right in front of you. I'm doing I do this 537 00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:49,840 show, and I love having these conversations to work my own stuff out, 538 00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:52,519 my own encounters and experiences. And it's interesting that you say that, because 539 00:39:53,119 --> 00:40:02,360 just yesterday I'm in the backyard gazing at the sky and with the with the 540 00:40:02,519 --> 00:40:07,920 question, which is what I do if what what if those clouds? What 541 00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:13,440 if they're what if they're in the clouds traveling, watching over humanity coming closer. 542 00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:19,199 They have jobs and roles, biblical type roles of maybe gathering souls when 543 00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:22,000 souls die, assisting them, you know, just letting the mind wonder, 544 00:40:22,039 --> 00:40:27,079 because that's how you figure things out. And I'm just looking and gazing in 545 00:40:27,119 --> 00:40:30,079 the different types of clouds that are coming by, and and and I'm gazing 546 00:40:30,119 --> 00:40:37,119 at it and literally for like you said, I mean it was only it 547 00:40:37,159 --> 00:40:39,800 felt like just a second or two, I'm gazing. I'm looking at this 548 00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:45,840 huge cloud I can see through and there's stuff moving, but it's just vapors 549 00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:49,159 and clouds, right, You can't. I don't see any anything definitive to 550 00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:52,400 say that's it. But it's like I'm acknowledging it as if it is. 551 00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:55,719 Hey, I see you, I know you're in there. Hello, it's 552 00:40:55,800 --> 00:41:00,719 passing right over me, and I'm looking at it, just gazing, and 553 00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:04,400 then all of a sudden, like you said, boom, right there in 554 00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:12,480 your vision, like the clouds disappeared. And it was just like the great 555 00:41:12,519 --> 00:41:17,719 It was just up close, like all of the definition disappeared. And I 556 00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:21,280 saw the clouds up close. I didn't see a craft. I didn't see 557 00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:24,000 aliens or anything like that. It was just it was in front of me. 558 00:41:25,639 --> 00:41:29,639 Everything morphed into one and it was in front of me. But I 559 00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:32,559 even even yesterday, you know, just and you're sharing that and it's these 560 00:41:32,639 --> 00:41:37,840 little and I've had something similar like that before, of just gazing, feeling 561 00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:40,800 like you're you know, into the stars or whatever, trying to look and 562 00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:46,320 just see you're up there. Scary, it feels strange, but but I 563 00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:52,280 do practice the art of gazing at different things and and and the clouds is 564 00:41:52,079 --> 00:41:55,159 one of the things that I look at, and you know, maybe maybe 565 00:41:55,159 --> 00:42:00,320 that's in us that we can tap into that or if it's an exchange said 566 00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:04,480 they allow you. I think there's a lot more insiders than what we realize. 567 00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:07,960 I now believe it wasn't an out of body experience. I do believe 568 00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:14,719 it was them telepathy. The interesting thing about that is the other occupants of 569 00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:16,559 the car, and the wife and daughter from mother in law, they never 570 00:42:16,599 --> 00:42:21,519 went on to have any other experiences, but they also didn't have any telepathy 571 00:42:21,599 --> 00:42:24,960 that night. So my belief is that by showing me the images of close 572 00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:29,559 spemies of the craft, they've tapped into some part of my brain and left 573 00:42:29,559 --> 00:42:31,719 it open for a while, which allowed all these other things to come through, 574 00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:36,760 which I believe are always here, but we're just not aware of them 575 00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:40,079 because that part of the brain is not working. But the more people you 576 00:42:40,159 --> 00:42:44,719 talk to, the more information you gather, you start to look for. 577 00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:49,679 What I've always looked for is the connections and similarities between sightings. So you 578 00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:52,880 get somebody in South America and somebody in America and somebody here talking about the 579 00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:57,280 craft and the way they move. I remember one guy I had seen the 580 00:42:57,360 --> 00:42:59,880 triangle. He said that the way it moved was like if you get a 581 00:43:00,039 --> 00:43:01,920 sheet onto a bed. You've got the four corners. You put the sheet 582 00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:05,559 on the bed and it's got air trapped in it, and as the air 583 00:43:05,599 --> 00:43:08,440 comes out, the sheet comes down onto the bed. Whenever that I thought, 584 00:43:08,559 --> 00:43:12,400 yeah, you've seen one. I know you've seen one, because you're 585 00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:15,639 describing exactly the movement that I've seen. You need to see it to describe 586 00:43:15,679 --> 00:43:20,079 it. In fact, the majority of the people in this book, when 587 00:43:20,119 --> 00:43:22,960 they talk about the craft, they talk about it gliding its movement, and 588 00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:30,320 they don't talk about it moving like a normal aircraft like it's always in this 589 00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:37,360 terms of just gliding along like a like a fluid motion like a craft underwater, 590 00:43:37,119 --> 00:43:42,800 and sometimes have been seen with the blunt end first as well. So 591 00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:45,679 they're not aerodynamics as such. The shape is not done. I don't think 592 00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:51,360 the aerodynamics. I think it's done for stability rather than their dynamics because of 593 00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:55,920 the proportion system are using. It's just fantastic to talk to so many people 594 00:43:55,960 --> 00:44:04,400 around the world and you thing I've always wound about is like I now realized 595 00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:08,760 that these creatures that they're so more intelligent than we are, so advanced they 596 00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:12,519 are there. God knows what they're doing, and while they keep hiding from 597 00:44:12,519 --> 00:44:15,719 everybody all the time. And then he select a certain feud. But what 598 00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:20,679 took that place, what took place that night down the Foss Way, It 599 00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:25,199 was done on purpose, That was not accidental. There was nobody else involved 600 00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:28,800 with us, and it allowed us to see it close to now many people 601 00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:30,480 are seeing in the top of a triangle. Most people only ever seen the 602 00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:35,159 bottom because they're flying overhead going to go. One account in the book of 603 00:44:35,199 --> 00:44:37,199 somebody else who wasn't looking down into a value, who saw the top of 604 00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:43,079 a triangle. So that night they went to a lot of trouble to show 605 00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:46,199 us and to show me, especially the craft and the details of the craft. 606 00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:51,000 We all knew it was not from this world, but the extra details 607 00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:54,159 and showed to me it was amazing. And then you think, well, 608 00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:58,719 why was they watching us in the pub as well? And did they follow 609 00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:00,679 his own? We had a lot of le problems at home The next day 610 00:45:01,079 --> 00:45:05,880 somebody suggested that the triangle followed his own and scanned the house to see what 611 00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:08,360 our reaction was if we were doing perhaps what they wanted us to do. 612 00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:14,960 I mean, is my part in all of this subtle disclosure? I know 613 00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:20,880 I've spoke to millions of people now around the world and showing the model, 614 00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:24,880 but I'm hoping it does do something, because otherwise, why have I've gone 615 00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:29,280 to all this effort. I've written a book I've made models, done all 616 00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:31,960 these podcasts that I'm not you know, I'm getting used to them. But 617 00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:37,639 it's not something I've relished doing. But I've done it to spread the word. 618 00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:39,239 And is that what my part is. It's not going to be a 619 00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:45,800 big thing, like I'm not going to be on national television in America standing 620 00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:47,800 there with an agent or anything. It's all very subtle, you know. 621 00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:53,119 So maybe over the years my book will get read by more people. There's 622 00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:59,639 more triangles there, a scene, but I can't help feeling that it was 623 00:45:59,719 --> 00:46:02,599 done for a purspose, but I can't figure out exactly what that purpose is. 624 00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:09,840 Let me ask you this. So I've I catched things on camera and 625 00:46:10,639 --> 00:46:15,039 this is my life too, very strange, right, and this is just 626 00:46:15,119 --> 00:46:21,840 what I do. And I've I saw for the first time, I've never 627 00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:27,280 seen any videos and I I have been scouring the Internet for years and watching 628 00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:30,400 anything I can find as far as footage and different crafts and pyramid crafts and 629 00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:34,599 all kind of crazy things out there. Right, But I found, for 630 00:46:34,639 --> 00:46:42,280 the first time, from from my experience, I filmed it a craft that 631 00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:45,039 looked like or I say, craft could be a living being. Right, 632 00:46:45,079 --> 00:46:49,920 There's that you said, it seems like it's alive. There is that that 633 00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:54,840 that looked like a marcaba. So it looked like a tetrahedron to where it's 634 00:46:54,960 --> 00:47:01,119 two triangles interlocking. You know, there's a you know in the in the 635 00:47:01,159 --> 00:47:05,760 Spiritual New Age movement, you see that symbol everywhere. It's a macabo symbol. 636 00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:07,880 It's like the Star of David, but it's three D. Yeah, 637 00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:13,599 I saw. I've got it on camera flying around going to the sun and 638 00:47:13,679 --> 00:47:19,840 depositing things out, the white things out the bottom that go and they it's 639 00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:23,719 a whole bunch of them and they deposited into the sun. Have you heard 640 00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:28,000 of anything like that, because I've never seen anything yet. Other people are 641 00:47:28,039 --> 00:47:31,360 saying, yeah, we've seen something similar. But the mircabo ones there's I've 642 00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:36,840 got a bunch of them on on camera. But that's kinds I feel drawn 643 00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:42,599 too, because it was just different. I haven't seen that exact shape. 644 00:47:42,599 --> 00:47:47,920 I haven't seen two triangles together, no, I have. I have seen 645 00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:52,840 a sphere. This was only a couple of about about three years ago. 646 00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:58,079 Now joined the lockdown over here and was that walking the dog and it was 647 00:47:58,119 --> 00:48:01,000 like a big metallic ball and it was just going along and on one side 648 00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:06,880 of it, like a crescent shaped white light was flashing. It was flashing 649 00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:10,800 on and off, but it wasn't steady. It was like like it was 650 00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:15,000 out of control. It was like flash flash stop stop, flash flash flash 651 00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:19,280 stop. And I'll watched it for quite a while and it was down in 652 00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:21,800 the earth atmosphere. By the time I seen it disappearing, I could see 653 00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:29,000 fields behind it, so that was pretty exciting. But that's I've seen a 654 00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:32,400 little spears in the sky, but I haven't seen anything like the first encounter. 655 00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:40,079 I've not seen another another triangle before I forget you mentioned the pyramid Dad. 656 00:48:40,639 --> 00:48:45,039 This is the book that of written. If anybody's interested, it's available 657 00:48:45,079 --> 00:48:50,039 on Amazon, Triangle, UFOs or the United Kingdom. I'll read you a 658 00:48:50,079 --> 00:48:52,320 little bit for me if you don't mind, won't take long. A lady 659 00:48:52,320 --> 00:49:01,519 called Lindsay Kerner Nottingham. He says, my friend was three years older than 660 00:49:01,519 --> 00:49:05,400 me and we were unemployed at the time. We decided to go and visit 661 00:49:05,519 --> 00:49:08,079 Dad's property at ten to fifteen minutes walk away, and we arrived at eight 662 00:49:08,119 --> 00:49:13,440 to nine pm. The house had a football pitch just beyond the back garden 663 00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:16,719 with wild space surrounding it. The weather had been dry all day. When 664 00:49:16,719 --> 00:49:20,679 we came to leave late that night, we glanced over to the football pitch 665 00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:24,400 fire an entrance. We both spotted the mist and a pyramid, so we 666 00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:29,960 decided to go and investigate. The pyramid object was the size of a council 667 00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:32,719 house and not quite on the ground, but hovering just above the ground by 668 00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:37,320 about a foot or two. The pyramid looked to be made of glass and 669 00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:39,880 was transparent. I could see swirls of colored gas inside a yellow, blue 670 00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:45,800 green in fat like a rainbow. As they approached the pyramid, it backed 671 00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:47,719 away from them, but when they backed away, the pyramid returned to its 672 00:49:47,719 --> 00:49:53,639 original position. The craft at that point became solid. In fact, Lindsay 673 00:49:53,679 --> 00:49:59,000 described it as metallic, with Egyptian hieroglyphs on all the sides. One of 674 00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:02,360 these hieroglyphs was a and with a bird's head carrying a long spear. Lindsay 675 00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:06,559 and a friend became nervous and decided to go home, where they believe they 676 00:50:06,679 --> 00:50:09,400 lost between half to three quarters of how in time. They went back to 677 00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:13,599 have a look later when it had gone now, she phoned me all excited 678 00:50:13,599 --> 00:50:17,280 and told me that twice she phoned me to talk about that makes you told 679 00:50:17,639 --> 00:50:22,239 I couldn't believe it. I mean Egyptian hieroglyphs on the side of the pyramid 680 00:50:22,280 --> 00:50:25,960 shape UFO on a football pitch in Nottingham. I think this is incredible and 681 00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:30,079 I believe it. I believe every story in the book is true. I 682 00:50:30,079 --> 00:50:34,280 don't believe anybody's making up because you wouldn't want to bring ridicule on yourself. 683 00:50:34,320 --> 00:50:38,000 You wouldn't do this unless you had a proper experience. You wouldn't have the 684 00:50:38,039 --> 00:50:43,960 courage to go through with it. Yeah, there's some fascinating encounters in this 685 00:50:44,039 --> 00:50:46,960 book. Wow, for sure. Definitely, definitely people need to check it 686 00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:52,679 out. In the imagery and the stories. You know, it's a you 687 00:50:52,719 --> 00:50:57,119 know, once you from me interview so many people and talk to so many 688 00:50:57,119 --> 00:51:01,039 people, you look for consistency. You look like a commonality. It's like, 689 00:51:01,119 --> 00:51:07,920 okay, here's the deal. If for skeptics or whatever, something's going 690 00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:13,039 on. Something's going on. So it's not that you know, all of 691 00:51:13,159 --> 00:51:15,159 all of these people are lying or they're thinking they're seeing something else. And 692 00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:22,199 know there's too many people and people are together seeing the same thing. Now, 693 00:51:22,679 --> 00:51:27,480 what what does your wife and everyone else say about the experience, because 694 00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:31,280 obviously that's a you know, it's very interesting how two people have the same 695 00:51:31,360 --> 00:51:35,280 experience and one is like, yeah, that was strange, and you're just 696 00:51:35,320 --> 00:51:38,480 like obsessed, right, you talk about the teleopathy and stuff like that, 697 00:51:38,559 --> 00:51:43,679 but even still just seeing it, like, you know, change your life. 698 00:51:43,719 --> 00:51:46,280 I mean, I'm the same way with the encounters I've had. I've 699 00:51:46,280 --> 00:51:50,360 had people with me who they like, they don't talk about it, and 700 00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:53,320 I can't stop talking about it, you know. Yeah. Yeah, My 701 00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:57,800 my daughter was twelve at the time, and she just took it in a 702 00:51:57,800 --> 00:52:00,480 stride, to be honest, even now, like she knows, but she 703 00:52:00,519 --> 00:52:04,079 saw something very strange and she saw the triangle. She drew the same pictures 704 00:52:04,079 --> 00:52:09,199 that I did. The mother in law. She was really excited. Fortunately, 705 00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:13,119 like to say, she died just three or four years ago. Now. 706 00:52:13,599 --> 00:52:16,679 When we cleared out her bedroom, I found all these newspaper cuttings on 707 00:52:16,920 --> 00:52:21,360 power normal stuff. She'd never talked about any of this in all of her 708 00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:25,639 life. So she's obviously had some sort of experiences in the past. So 709 00:52:28,519 --> 00:52:32,199 yes, so she was really taken with it. Now, my wife because 710 00:52:32,199 --> 00:52:37,559 she was driving and being sensible, she didn't actually see the craft materialize. 711 00:52:39,480 --> 00:52:43,360 By the time she pulled forward and reversed into the gateway, it had gone. 712 00:52:43,400 --> 00:52:45,920 So just me, my mother in law, and my daughter saw the 713 00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:50,559 actual craft materialize. My mother in law described it the same. So she 714 00:52:50,559 --> 00:52:53,079 said, we've got girders on the surface, is how she described it. 715 00:52:53,639 --> 00:52:58,119 So when we all drew pictures, I got my wife to draw a picture, 716 00:52:58,119 --> 00:53:01,639 and this is an interesting thing. She drew three red lights in a 717 00:53:01,800 --> 00:53:07,599 perfect triangle. It's not a shiny red light at the moment, but term 718 00:53:07,840 --> 00:53:10,280 a perfect triangle, no white light in the middle. She saw three red 719 00:53:10,360 --> 00:53:15,000 lights in a perfect ego actual triangle. Now, like I say, when 720 00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:19,440 we approached the craft, it was tilted an angle like this with the nose 721 00:53:19,480 --> 00:53:23,559 down. There is no way that she could have seen three red lights in 722 00:53:23,599 --> 00:53:30,719 a perfect egolatual triangle. So what I believe may have happened is that the 723 00:53:30,760 --> 00:53:32,920 little craft in front of us, because it was like the side, it 724 00:53:32,920 --> 00:53:37,840 would be about one hundred feet across the bottom, maybe eighty feet out, 725 00:53:37,840 --> 00:53:45,599 the size of a bus or a small house. Like what I believe happened. 726 00:53:45,559 --> 00:53:49,800 A new theory that this was an ambush. This was the bait, 727 00:53:51,199 --> 00:53:53,880 and my mother in law and my daughter, we were transfixed on this thing 728 00:53:53,920 --> 00:53:58,239 and watching it, watching the lights and watching it materialize, and then watching 729 00:53:58,280 --> 00:54:02,920 it maneuver in front of us. But my wife was looking forward on the 730 00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:07,119 road, and I think what she may have seen was the underneath of the 731 00:54:07,199 --> 00:54:10,880 large craft that when we jumped out of the car we've seen going away from 732 00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:15,840 us, And so I think there's a possibility that the small craft went back 733 00:54:15,880 --> 00:54:19,679 to this large mothership, and what my wife drew was the underneath of the 734 00:54:19,679 --> 00:54:22,039 mothership as it passed over the car. I've put a drawing in the book 735 00:54:22,079 --> 00:54:27,719 that shows that that shows how the ambush would have worked. And looking at 736 00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:30,199 the trajectory of the craft going away from us, it would make sense that 737 00:54:30,239 --> 00:54:37,000 it did actually come over the car during the course of the ambush from the 738 00:54:37,039 --> 00:54:43,960 little one that was right next to us almost landed. So that is a 739 00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:46,400 possibility. I mean the other thing when I say she couldn't have seeing three 740 00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:52,199 red lights. There was no craft at the time when we first approached it. 741 00:54:52,119 --> 00:54:55,159 It was just lights and it was incredible to see. Now what I've 742 00:54:55,159 --> 00:55:01,480 got here is yet another model. This one is transparent. I've made this 743 00:55:01,519 --> 00:55:07,840 one so that you get an idea. I think that that's how we got 744 00:55:07,840 --> 00:55:12,719 to start engaging really like that. What transparent like that? So why was 745 00:55:12,760 --> 00:55:16,000 it tilted at an angle like this? I believe it's because as we're driving 746 00:55:16,039 --> 00:55:20,440 along, we get to see the underneath, so we get to see more 747 00:55:20,519 --> 00:55:24,239 lights instead of it being flat where we'd only see the lights sided. By 748 00:55:24,280 --> 00:55:30,760 tilting up, it's showing more lights. But that shows intent, doesn't it 749 00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:36,559 that they've done that on purpose to grab our attention? And when there's where 750 00:55:36,559 --> 00:55:38,320 there's intent, there's a purpose, isn't there behind it? I don't you 751 00:55:38,360 --> 00:55:43,679 know? It was almost like I was unmistakable, and that's why I built 752 00:55:43,920 --> 00:55:49,440 this sea though version look at without the lights and it's quite quite spectacular, 753 00:55:49,920 --> 00:55:54,679 and that's how it appeared when we first arrived before it actually then morphed into 754 00:55:54,840 --> 00:56:00,239 a solid object and then started floating around in front of us. Wow. 755 00:56:00,280 --> 00:56:02,360 I mean, the whole thing was just like being in a fantastic movie set. 756 00:56:02,400 --> 00:56:07,559 It was incredible. Absolutely. Yeah. It's so strange when you have 757 00:56:07,639 --> 00:56:12,440 those encounters and it's all in hindsight, because you have an encounter like that 758 00:56:12,519 --> 00:56:17,440 and then you can go back and watch Star Wars or something and see similar 759 00:56:17,519 --> 00:56:23,639 things in the movie where somebody is probably has probably had these experiences before too. 760 00:56:24,199 --> 00:56:28,599 Yeah, felt that the best way to talk about it, or to 761 00:56:28,639 --> 00:56:31,000 share it with the world is to make a movie and you know, hide 762 00:56:31,039 --> 00:56:35,159 all that stuff in there, like little things that are that are said by 763 00:56:35,199 --> 00:56:39,280 the characters, and names of planets even that go back to the ancient world 764 00:56:39,559 --> 00:56:45,280 there. It's little nuances that I feel like, you don't you don't it 765 00:56:45,320 --> 00:56:52,119 has to be in hindsight at all the triangle ships and do they have circles 766 00:56:52,119 --> 00:56:54,039 on the bottom and you start to see them and things like that under they 767 00:56:54,079 --> 00:56:59,360 have beams on the surface and things like that. I've seen this on some 768 00:56:59,400 --> 00:57:04,119 of the programs. Was over here actually, but people have taken my model 769 00:57:04,159 --> 00:57:08,280 and they've started to reproduce it and show it in UFO documentaries on Netflix, 770 00:57:09,239 --> 00:57:16,039 which is nice, I guess for them to copy mycraft. And right before 771 00:57:16,039 --> 00:57:21,559 we get towards the end, I just want to something which is really odd. 772 00:57:22,079 --> 00:57:24,880 You might appreciate this, but ten I've never talked about this before because 773 00:57:24,880 --> 00:57:30,760 it's only just happened. Actually, so my wife was with me at the 774 00:57:30,760 --> 00:57:32,320 time, we're no longer together, but we're still good friends. So we're 775 00:57:32,360 --> 00:57:38,599 separated and now I'm remarried. So my latest wife does not believe in UFOs 776 00:57:38,639 --> 00:57:43,480 and aliens, but she's got a great sense of you. She doesn't mind 777 00:57:43,519 --> 00:57:45,400 me getting involved with it, and she's always winding me up, like you 778 00:57:45,440 --> 00:57:49,639 know, saying all that UFO will be said, I got that sky light 779 00:57:49,719 --> 00:57:53,480 in the sky and all that. So about two weeks ago, she works 780 00:57:53,559 --> 00:57:58,119 nice, she works in a care home. She came home early three o'clock 781 00:57:58,159 --> 00:58:00,840 in the morning. She drove through the town of Hinklin. Now we live 782 00:58:00,880 --> 00:58:06,159 in Barwell, which is a village just outside of Inkley. There's a little 783 00:58:06,159 --> 00:58:12,639 bit of countryside in between the two. So she's driving along at three o'clock 784 00:58:12,639 --> 00:58:15,880 in the morning, there's no other traffic around, and she passes a tree. 785 00:58:15,760 --> 00:58:19,840 She sees what looks like a light gets switched on. Then as she 786 00:58:19,920 --> 00:58:22,599 comes out from the clearing of the tree to the low hedge, she stopped 787 00:58:22,599 --> 00:58:27,920 the car and there was a triangle. She showed me the distance she thinks 788 00:58:27,960 --> 00:58:30,119 it was away, which I reckon is about two hundred yards, and she 789 00:58:30,159 --> 00:58:35,119 said it was huge and it was the height of two houses, and it 790 00:58:35,199 --> 00:58:39,000 was completely white. It was so bright that it lit up the farmer's field 791 00:58:39,079 --> 00:58:43,519 below, and she thought to herself, this is one of them triangles. 792 00:58:43,519 --> 00:58:47,360 Collins was on about and just got scared and drove off came back home. 793 00:58:47,719 --> 00:58:51,920 The funny thing was she came in though it was three in the morning. 794 00:58:52,000 --> 00:58:54,159 You did wake me up when she came in, But she forgot to tell 795 00:58:54,159 --> 00:58:57,840 me about it. If she'd have told me there and then I would have 796 00:58:57,880 --> 00:59:00,639 gone straight out in the car because only got a mile away. It wasn't 797 00:59:00,719 --> 00:59:05,360 until the next day when she's seen a report about UFO she goes, Oh, 798 00:59:05,519 --> 00:59:07,519 I forgot to tell you last night, I've seen one of your triangles. 799 00:59:09,239 --> 00:59:12,519 Now, how weird is that? Now? What is the chances of 800 00:59:12,559 --> 00:59:15,559 that occurring? I reckon, it's pretty slim. The chances of seeing a 801 00:59:15,719 --> 00:59:21,000 UFO of any sort is pretty slim. But to see a triangle so close, 802 00:59:21,039 --> 00:59:24,079 when I've been banging on about them for twenty five years, it's almost 803 00:59:24,159 --> 00:59:28,000 like a message. Now, a lot of people listening to this might think 804 00:59:28,800 --> 00:59:31,800 that's I've made it up. I know, Philip, my agent wanted me 805 00:59:31,840 --> 00:59:36,239 to do a press release to say that my wife had seen a triangle. 806 00:59:36,239 --> 00:59:38,400 But I was thinking, well, people are not going to believe this because 807 00:59:38,400 --> 00:59:45,239 it just seems too real that that would occur. But it did occur, 808 00:59:45,400 --> 00:59:50,920 and that it's got me wondering why I can't believe again it was just a 809 00:59:50,920 --> 00:59:54,079 coincidence. I mean, it's just incredible. I don't know why that has 810 00:59:54,119 --> 00:59:59,199 occurred unless it's just too She obviously now believes in and it makes my life 811 00:59:59,239 --> 01:00:01,400 a bit easier. Yeah. Yeah, I mean even just for that, 812 01:00:01,559 --> 01:00:07,960 just to support you and your work and less stress and know that you're supported 813 01:00:07,000 --> 01:00:09,400 in your household, for sure. That does a lot, even just for 814 01:00:09,519 --> 01:00:14,639 you sharing your story and you know, being encouraged for sure. So I 815 01:00:14,679 --> 01:00:16,480 mean she's down cooking dinner at the moment while so I'm here chatting away. 816 01:00:16,559 --> 01:00:20,760 So she's obviously knows what I'm up to, and she's quite happy with it. 817 01:00:22,199 --> 01:00:25,840 I just it makes you think, are you being monitored? How they're 818 01:00:25,880 --> 01:00:30,840 watching? You know? Is it more to this? I don't know. 819 01:00:31,119 --> 01:00:37,360 Yeah, the whole subject is so strange. Yeah, well that's for me. 820 01:00:37,480 --> 01:00:40,440 That's the powerful thing about it that you know, it makes you wonder. 821 01:00:40,800 --> 01:00:45,119 It doesn't make everybody wonder that. If you wonder that and That's the 822 01:00:45,440 --> 01:00:51,920 I think the the important part for you to wonder and then to go out 823 01:00:52,039 --> 01:00:55,280 and ask and maybe live your life like you're being watched. What would you 824 01:00:55,360 --> 01:01:00,119 do if you were? And and if you know they're watching you, how 825 01:01:00,079 --> 01:01:06,519 about you watch them? Go out? I know you're out there. Where 826 01:01:06,559 --> 01:01:09,119 are you? You know that kind of thing and what happens? I mean, 827 01:01:09,159 --> 01:01:14,119 have you looked into that phenomena at all, that the C five and 828 01:01:14,400 --> 01:01:19,920 five? No? No, I haven't, no, but I do remember 829 01:01:19,920 --> 01:01:22,960 in the early days, and I'd often see lights in the sky and they'd 830 01:01:22,960 --> 01:01:25,960 be stopping and turning through ninety degrees, so I know it wasn't normal, 831 01:01:27,360 --> 01:01:31,320 and that would often occur after I've been watching some UFO videos or DVDs, 832 01:01:31,960 --> 01:01:35,280 getting immersed in it, and then going out the back to have a cigar, 833 01:01:35,840 --> 01:01:37,960 as I used I don't smoke anymore, but I'd go out and then 834 01:01:38,000 --> 01:01:43,679 I'd see something moving in the sky. I even bought camcorder to try and 835 01:01:43,679 --> 01:01:46,639 record these things. Remember one I'm watching this star coming cross and I thought 836 01:01:46,639 --> 01:01:50,519 it was a satellite. It's coming across, and it stopped, turned through 837 01:01:50,599 --> 01:01:55,519 ninety degrees. I got my camera with pull the camera gone just like I 838 01:01:55,559 --> 01:02:00,400 thought, he going crazy. He's using the plot here and I had to 839 01:02:00,400 --> 01:02:02,280 calm myself down. No, No, I did see it. I know 840 01:02:02,360 --> 01:02:07,360 it was there. But yeah, one another one they're in the book. 841 01:02:07,800 --> 01:02:14,800 A big ball of orange light inside a cloud over the park, a really 842 01:02:14,880 --> 01:02:17,159 wet, damp night. I've been to a UFO conference enough and I'll just 843 01:02:17,199 --> 01:02:21,519 come back. It's on Sunday night again. I went to get the camera 844 01:02:21,559 --> 01:02:22,559 and this time and I picked the camera up, I thought to myself, 845 01:02:22,760 --> 01:02:25,400 Oh, no, what's going to happen. It's going to go. Sure 846 01:02:25,480 --> 01:02:30,280 enough when I got back to the window gone. So it makes you wonder, 847 01:02:30,360 --> 01:02:34,320 like if you have a close encounter in the future, If anybody listening 848 01:02:34,360 --> 01:02:37,800 to this Caesar Craft, I think the first thing to do is to enjoy 849 01:02:37,840 --> 01:02:42,280 it and just look at it and try and take the detail in. I 850 01:02:42,280 --> 01:02:44,320 think if you get your phone out to take a picture, it's going to 851 01:02:44,360 --> 01:02:46,360 go. If you get a picture, people won't believe it. It'll probably 852 01:02:46,400 --> 01:02:51,960 be distorted anyway. So yeah, enjoy the moment is what I would say. 853 01:02:52,519 --> 01:02:54,320 That's so true. I mean I tried to do the same thing early 854 01:02:54,360 --> 01:03:00,519 on, having an awesome sighting, and then here I go try to run 855 01:03:00,559 --> 01:03:05,880 to get my phone, and the phone's not good enough to even record the 856 01:03:05,920 --> 01:03:07,639 stars and stuff anyway, and it's like, you know, you're kind of 857 01:03:07,719 --> 01:03:12,840 jumping out of the experience and it's gone versus just I mean, even now 858 01:03:13,039 --> 01:03:15,400 I'm actually catching stuff on camera now. But I think for the most part, 859 01:03:15,519 --> 01:03:19,920 I kind of know what to look for in which areas to film and 860 01:03:19,960 --> 01:03:22,920 things like that. But but it is about being in the moment and then 861 01:03:22,960 --> 01:03:25,519 you want to always go get the phone. It was actually a big, 862 01:03:25,559 --> 01:03:29,440 big learning thing for me, and I've been in this for a long time 863 01:03:29,440 --> 01:03:32,800 too, and it's just something recently I've been able to get my phone in 864 01:03:32,920 --> 01:03:37,519 film and then really go back and edit footage too to see if you if 865 01:03:37,519 --> 01:03:42,440 there's even anything, just because I know kind of nuances and stuff to look 866 01:03:42,480 --> 01:03:45,440 for, and then how to edit lights so that you can see objects that 867 01:03:45,480 --> 01:03:51,719 are cloaked to the naked eye anyway. Yeah, yeah, there's that. 868 01:03:52,039 --> 01:03:55,440 Yeah, yeah, But have you let me ask you this before we go 869 01:03:57,320 --> 01:04:00,840 with all the stories and all the research too, have you seen or heard 870 01:04:00,880 --> 01:04:05,079 of any any I know you say you haven't seen, but possibly videos any 871 01:04:05,119 --> 01:04:10,840 of them that are like square or like rectangle like with with those with those 872 01:04:10,920 --> 01:04:15,039 right angles, like any types of ship or any anomaly like that. Yeah, 873 01:04:15,199 --> 01:04:18,000 I've seen quite a few like that. I've got a good doing in 874 01:04:18,000 --> 01:04:23,599 the book. Actually a triangle that guy witnessed and when he looked up underneath 875 01:04:23,639 --> 01:04:27,079 it in searching inside it was another triangle, the smaller one which I've got 876 01:04:27,119 --> 01:04:32,320 the lights on. There was also a rectangular shaped UFO that was also trapped 877 01:04:32,400 --> 01:04:36,519 underneath of the last triangle. And funnily enough, only a couple of days 878 01:04:36,559 --> 01:04:43,440 ago, I was readingally Pored. I can't remember where I got it from. 879 01:04:43,559 --> 01:04:46,880 And this guy had seen a triangle over her house as a woman who 880 01:04:46,880 --> 01:04:49,679 saw it, and she phoned the woman up in the house and she didn't 881 01:04:49,800 --> 01:04:54,920 know that there was a triangle above her house. While she was watching it, 882 01:04:54,599 --> 01:04:59,320 it transformed itself into a square, So it went from a triangle to 883 01:04:59,360 --> 01:05:01,360 a square. And I've heard that once once or twice along the way. 884 01:05:01,440 --> 01:05:06,239 Yeah, I do believe there are these square objects floating around out there. 885 01:05:06,639 --> 01:05:12,280 Mm hmm. Wow. Man, thank you for your work, and if 886 01:05:12,320 --> 01:05:15,800 you if you if you have any more encounters or you want to come back 887 01:05:15,840 --> 01:05:18,400 on here and talk, I'm open anytime. If you can't if you have 888 01:05:18,480 --> 01:05:21,480 any new hypothesis. I mean, that's the big thing too. What is 889 01:05:21,800 --> 01:05:25,760 who are they? And what do they want? Right? And that doesn't 890 01:05:25,800 --> 01:05:30,559 even when you're talking about having this you know, telepathic communication kind of thing. 891 01:05:30,719 --> 01:05:35,360 Your dreams get pretty interesting. Your dream always been. My dreams have 892 01:05:35,400 --> 01:05:39,119 always been very interesting, you know, full color for long. I've even 893 01:05:39,119 --> 01:05:42,480 managed to take control of the dream because I've figured out I was dreaming. 894 01:05:43,000 --> 01:05:45,719 It takes a bit of doing at times, and then I know, doing 895 01:05:46,239 --> 01:05:49,480 some of my dreams, I've tested myself. So I have jump off this 896 01:05:49,519 --> 01:05:53,639 cliff. Now I'm going to be a while because I'm dreaming. No, 897 01:05:53,760 --> 01:05:56,039 I thought, well that is if I'm not dreaming, you know, a 898 01:05:56,079 --> 01:06:00,639 little back to way. So yeah, I've always had plenty of bib bely 899 01:06:00,719 --> 01:06:02,800 dreams along the way. Well, I guess before we go, I mean, 900 01:06:04,079 --> 01:06:09,039 what is it? Who are they? You know, like it's I 901 01:06:09,159 --> 01:06:12,320 believe from my own research, we have we have grays, obviously, the 902 01:06:12,360 --> 01:06:16,760 smaller grays. I think there were some taller grays. There's Nordics, reptilians, 903 01:06:17,000 --> 01:06:20,559 and at the top of the tree seemed to be the pray mantus type 904 01:06:21,280 --> 01:06:27,719 aliens they seem to be the ones that are in charge. And I believe 905 01:06:27,719 --> 01:06:30,840 the dimensional that's as much as I know. I mean, I don't know 906 01:06:30,880 --> 01:06:35,760 which dimension. It might be several dimensions that they're coming from, but that's 907 01:06:35,760 --> 01:06:40,519 what I truly believe on hundred percent, that these are dimensional beings. And 908 01:06:40,559 --> 01:06:45,719 I think they've always been around. There must be several parallel universes running alongside 909 01:06:45,719 --> 01:06:49,000 our Own'd be fascinating to see, wouldn't it if it popped over to their 910 01:06:49,039 --> 01:06:54,360 dimension? Would they have the same planetary systems and milky ways and things that 911 01:06:54,400 --> 01:06:59,639 we've got on our dimension. Oh, it's incredible, isn't It's incredible? 912 01:07:00,119 --> 01:07:05,960 It is it is, And I ponder I think our gaze, I study, 913 01:07:06,039 --> 01:07:09,920 I do all of it, and and it's so beautiful. I feel 914 01:07:09,920 --> 01:07:13,639 like there's not enough hours in the day when it comes to this, you 915 01:07:13,639 --> 01:07:17,440 know, the majesty and the awe and the wonder about all of this stuff 916 01:07:17,440 --> 01:07:20,199 in this subject and what it's done for my life, and obviously what it's 917 01:07:20,199 --> 01:07:24,800 done for you and many of our listeners people listening, they've they've had very 918 01:07:24,840 --> 01:07:29,239 similar experiences and uh, and I know your work's helping them so much. 919 01:07:29,280 --> 01:07:31,760 Yeah, I hope. So yeah, I mean without my experience, I'm 920 01:07:32,079 --> 01:07:34,639 freaking out a bit. So I wish I could have got a book like 921 01:07:34,960 --> 01:07:38,639 the one that I've produced and read that that would have calmed me down. 922 01:07:39,280 --> 01:07:42,360 So if the's anybody out therese has an experience and they're a bit on their 923 01:07:42,360 --> 01:07:45,840 own and they want some something to read to calm them down, and my 924 01:07:45,920 --> 01:07:51,559 books do the job. So where's the best place to get it? Would 925 01:07:51,559 --> 01:07:56,159 be Amazon? Amazon. Yeah, it's available on Amazon. It's on them. 926 01:07:56,360 --> 01:07:59,880 It's on a kindle, hard backs, soft back and audiobook. Is 927 01:08:00,800 --> 01:08:04,079 so Triangle UFOs in the United Kingdom by Collins, I wonders. I can't 928 01:08:04,079 --> 01:08:09,000 believe I've actually written a book as well. So that's how much this subject 929 01:08:09,119 --> 01:08:15,119 is has influenced me too to get involved. There's no way I can leave 930 01:08:15,119 --> 01:08:18,800 it alone now actually, so yeah, yeah, right, I've got the 931 01:08:18,840 --> 01:08:23,920 book. I've done what I'm going to do. Maybe maybe maybe there'll be 932 01:08:23,920 --> 01:08:27,399 another one that's Carlin. Thanks so much for hanging out with me, man, 933 01:08:28,560 --> 01:08:30,760 it was a good, good conversation. Thanks for sharing your story. 934 01:08:30,439 --> 01:08:33,239 Yeah, I didn't do it again. Incredible as it says, it's all 935 01:08:33,279 --> 01:08:39,079 true, Derek. I hope your listeners enjoy it, so thanks for having 936 01:08:39,119 --> 01:08:41,279 me on. I've really enjoyed it. Yeah, we'll have to do it 937 01:08:41,279 --> 01:08:43,399 again. Thank you, Thank you you take care.