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Hello and welcome once again to open
mid UFO Radio. I am your host,

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Alejandro Rojas, and I am here
with my buddy Martin, real estate

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mogul. Wanna be? Willis that's
it? I wanna be? You got

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that part? Why don't you just
do the whole thing with just want to

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be? I want to be because
you want to be so much? No,

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No, just I'm not. No, I'm not a real estate mogul

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at all. I don't want people
to get the impression. No, but

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you're trying. I mean, well, you've got this real estate thing and

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usually you know a lot. I
come up with your names because of the

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conversations we have before we go on
air. And I probably shouldn't tell you

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that because now you're going to think
I don't want to have any more conversations

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about But I just think it's fun. It's fun that you got this great

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property that you've worked on for a
while and that you're going to try to

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sell it and possibly I don't know, But what's cool about it? It's

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just well, is this a property
you were working on when you fell off

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the ladder and almost killed yourself?
That is the property? Yes, And

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you call it a mansion and you
like, do you airbnb it or is

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it kind of just a vacation rental. No, that's up. So the

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main residence I did move in there
last last summer, and so it's it's

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you know, it's it's quite nice, but it needs work. It needs

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a lot of work. So the
guest house is still like twenty five hundred

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square feet for you know, it's
a Victorian home. But yeah, it's

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been a real project and I would
never ever do it again. I will

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tell you that really darn near killed
me a few times. Yeah, I

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don't blame you. That's that's hard
work. Yeah, so I'm lucky I

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can do some, you know,
a lot of the work. But it's

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just you know, I've I've had
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Yeah, enough is enough, So
ready to move on. Yeah. See,

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this is nice because people get to
know a little bit about you,

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you know, every time if we
do the show the Crazy Stuff too,

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there is crazy stuff. Oh no, I didn't know. I don't know

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what you're talking about. I'm gonna
have to do some digging to figure out

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what this crazy stuff is. That
sounds interesting. Well, I do a

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show in UFOs, I don't know
if you. Yeah. So speaking of

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yeah, crazy stuff, we got
some crazy stuff to go over because it's

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UFOs. However, I guess I
should tell you who my guest is.

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My guest. This is very exciting. I this was really fun. Her

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name is Caroline Corey, and she's
done a documentary called Gods among Us.

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And in this documentary it's essentially about
abduction. But and she is an experiencer

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herself. But what she's done here
is she's gotten like a dozen different scientists,

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many of them working in like quantum
physics or theoretical physics and astrophysics and

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DNA and stuff like this, to
just discuss the possibilities of uh, you

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know, extra dimensional travel, uh
faster than light travel, UH, DNA

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and the manipulation of DNA and you
know, telepathy, all of the sort

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of phenomena that are related to abduction
or what people report when they say they

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they feel they've experienced something with an
extraterrestrial And what's what's really fascinating is,

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of course there's a lot of speculation
in these areas, but these are actual

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scientists talking about the possibilities. And
I find this super exciting. I brought

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this up. We'll talk about the
different scientists in the documentary, but I

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brought up doctor Claude Swanson, who's
a theoretical physicist that I know pretty well,

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who spoke at the conference the UFO
Congress a couple of years ago,

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and I've seen him speak on these
topics over the years, but he's along

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these same lines. And what's exciting
about it is he talks about all the

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experiments that have gone on and subtle
energies and things like this, and he

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talks about, you know, what
quantum science is and quantum physics is,

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because a lot of people throw that
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without really knowing what it is and
how you know, there are certain subtle

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energies that could allow for a lot
of these these different phenomena, and so

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I find it fascinating. So it's
a wonderful discussion. And Lee Spiegel actually

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has watched the documentary and he loved
it. He thought it was great.

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So he was really excited for me
to talk with Caroline, who had actually

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contacted me before and she wanted to
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too. So this documentary people will
be able to see at the UFO Congress

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next year. So really cool.
This is a great interview. Awesome.

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I see that she actually was able
to raise sixty thousand dollars through Kickstarter in

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thirty days, which is really quite
remarkable because I know a lot of people

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have tried to raise money for films
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not succeeded at all. So good
for her. Yeah, pardon me,

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that is a great point. I'm
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forgot to ask her about that.
But the Kickstarter that I agree with you

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one hundred percent. It is you
know, it seems like it's easy.

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It's really hard to raise money on
Kickstarter, so for her to be able

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to do that is a great success
for her. So yeah, very cool.

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So this is going to be a
fun interview. Great, yep.

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But before that, let's talk about
some UFO news. There's some exciting stuff

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out there really that at least I
feel is kind of exciting. But uh,

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why don't you go ahead what you
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since we were talking earlier about this
very area before we went on air,

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so a California UFO witnesses. A
witness described six hovering triangles. So this

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was in Escondido, which is not
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area. Friend of mine's mother grew
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a number of times. So there
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what's really strange about this is that
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on end basically instead of you know, like at a horizontal plane. And

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so this was on April fifteenth,
tax Day at eight forty pm. So

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in California, it's pretty light still
probably let's see back in April. So

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there, you know, the pictures
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but so i'd say this was still
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more like twilight. I would think
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the witness saw one single triangle and
was estimating that it was about five hundred

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feet above tree tops, but about
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away. Now I would have no
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that far away. Then they saw
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same thing on end toward the west, just above the tree tops. Again,

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they may not have been small,
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It's hard to tell, and for
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to show a perfect triangle. It's
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sighting, yes, very interesting.
Yeah, very weird too. And they

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provided some photos where they kind of
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they looked like to the witness.
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it must have been quite crazy sighting. Yeah, and something that would be

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really hard to explain, you know. I mean, I can't see anyway

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drones would be doing something like this, especially on the vertical line or a

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balloon formation. Nothing seems like it
makes any sense. It's really an odd

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one. Yeah, it's a pretty
weird one. Plus the pictures show San

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Diego, and I always get excited
to see the beach, especially because I'm

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going to be going to the beach
in a couple weeks. Ah right,

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I'm gonna be going on my yearly
cruise. You know everybody knows, well,

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I don't know. If they know, they probably don't like it because

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then I don't do a show that
week. And that's why it's relevant,

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because in a couple of weeks I
won't have a show, but I will

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have one next week. People and
so don't worry about that. But it'll

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be a day late because of Memorial
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So uh yeah, really weird interesting
signing. Now, wait a minute,

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isn't next weekend Memorial Day? Am
I getting that wrong? Yeah?

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Next weekend? Yeah? Oh okay, So a week from today, like,

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I'm gonna be posting a show today, and then a week from today,

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I'm gonna be taking it off to
recognize to observe the Memorial Day,

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And so I won't be posting my
show until the day after that, and

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it's gonna be Nick Redford again.
All right. However, he's got yet

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another book that I just interviewed him
a couple of months ago, but that's

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because he had a new book that
came out. But he's got another book

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that just came out about Roswell.
So the timing will be good because I'll

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be chilling with him at Roswell,
even though he's speaking for a different venue,

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and about little more than a month
will be out there. So man,

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that guy puts out some books,
doesn't he, No kidding? Holy

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cow? So a couple other cool
stories out there. This one we just

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posted today, and well this is
interesting, and the UK tabloids have picked

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it up because of Nick Pope,
that's son of I love Nick Pope,

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of course, but unfortunately he likes
working with those UK tabloids, who of

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course are the bane of our existence
because they're just putting out so much crappy

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UFO stuff. But we got to
the source. So one of our contributors

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is Andres Mueller, and he's in
Germany and he essentially has a website for

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Frontier Science and the Paranormal in Germany, a very popular site that he calls

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it gree Wee kind of short for
the URL that they have there. But

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he contributes and he let's just repost
his stories UFO stories, and he did

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something cool. He got a hold
of the mod because those damn files.

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So there's eighteen files UFO files that
the UK is supposed to be coming out

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with. In twenty thirteen, they
said they had finished releasing all of their

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UFO files. However, John Burrows
actually have been in contact with them about

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certain files he wanted to see,
and they delayed him. They said,

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oh, it's going to be in
our UFO dump when it wasn't. He

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protested, he said, hey,
I want to see these files. They

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ignored him the UK government and then
finally when a private citizen, seeing that

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John Burrows had requested these files,
requested them himself. They replied and the

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mold said, ooh, sorry,
I guess we do have some more UFO

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files. We'll get those out in
about nine months. That was now like

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three years ago, and so they
keep delaying and delaying. One of the

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ministers in the House of Lords actually
asked themod when are you going to get

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these files out? And we're working
on it. So they had given the

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March twenty seventeen as when they were
going to come out with these files.

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Yet another delayed date, but they
didn't come out. So Andre's mueller asked

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them, hey, what's going on, When are you going to get these

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files out? And a spokesperson got
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due to the upcoming election here in
the UK and the rules relating to government

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departments during the pre election period,
the files will not be released until after

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the election. We are working to
ensure that the files are ready for release

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as soon as this period as is
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So the new date is the middle
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Wow, I guess they can do
that. I guess huh, yeah,

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they could do whatever they want,
you know, but it's just so strange

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that they've been delaying this for years
and years now. You know, I

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think the last couple of times I've
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actually talked about this and why they're
being delayed, in what might be in

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there. He spoke at the Congress, not this year, but the year

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before and where he spoke about them, so he's we've been talking. You

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know, listeners have heard about these
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sometime soon. And I know Nick
Pope says they may have some interesting stuff

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in there, so we're all excited
to see them now. There's no there's

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no real way to tell if they
hold some of them back, is there

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no? Like Nick says, And
he has a great quote in one of

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the interviews where he says, you
know, it's very easy to hide these

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files. They don't have to respawn. They could say they don't exist,

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or the easiest way is if they're
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like a private company, and private
companies are not part of any freedom of

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information requests. So I mean,
you can't officially get files from a private

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company, so it's easy to hide
files should you wish to. So yeah,

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wow for their government and ours,
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I you know, you hear a
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you know, we don't we don't
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NSA ones that are all darkened out
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a big story. I've been making
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a ord to John Greenwald for his
work on this. But I think this

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is a big deal, and it
seems like I haven't seen anybody else make

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a big deal out of it except
for me. But the NSA documents that

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Stanton's always showing that are all dark
darkened out. Ye, those John Greenwald

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asked them to. Oh, John
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deal out of it, because it
is a big deal. John Greenwald asked

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them to provide the unredacted copy,
so the copies that don't have the white

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it out, which they should.
As time goes on, much of what

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was whited out should become unclassified and
so they should be able to show that.

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And they said, oops, we've
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lost all the original UFO files.
Bizarre. Huh. It is really bizarre,

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really really bizarre. One more story
I want to talk about now,

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this one. Unfortunately I overlooked.
I know I posted a link on this,

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but it's really cooler than just receiving
a link. It needs its own

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attention, and I'm going to write
a story on this, but I probably

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won't have time to get it up
today, so I'll have it up tomorrow,

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if not later today, So sorry
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show today, probably many of you
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So on Tuesday, the twenty third, I'll have a story up at openmindstat

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tv about this. But you probably
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here's the story. So it's really
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yes, yes, I'm sorry,
you're right when he was flying well,

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I was just gonna tell the stories. Oh I do know it sped to

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be something a while back. Yeah, okay, sorry. So on April

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thirtieth, Guardian, there you know
Kurt Russell is in the new Guardians of

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the Galaxy, which I saw just
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It's so good. I loved it. Kurt Russell is in it. So

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Kurt Russell and Chris pat Pratt are
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getting interviewed by a British gentleman and
the British guy they're both sitting there and

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the British guy says, opens this
folder that' says top secret on it,

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and he says, you guys might
be interested in this. In Phoenix,

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during this famous UFO incident, there
was a pilot who was flying into Phoenix

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and he saw this UFO and he
reported it to the control tower when he

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was landing, and Chris Pratt is
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You know, ho hum, And
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he starts kind of squirming in his
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of excitement than nervousness. And he
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The tail number on that plane was
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the pilot of that plane was me. And Chris Pratt's funny because he's like,

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what and so he explains how Kurt
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his son, so I guess pick
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and it looked like perhaps a craft
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son got a little nervous and said, Dad, or do we need to

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worry about this? And he said, well, let me call the tower.

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lights. You know, is there
are there any objects in the way and

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they said no, we're not picking
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land, they pick up the girl
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was, and he takes off and
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that was it. He said,
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though it was shocking at the time. He's like, I didn't think about

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it again. My son didn't think
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it again. Then he was He
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she's watching UFO show and they start
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was a pilot who had reported them, and it triggered his memory, and

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he's like, hey, hey,
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and I reported a UFO. He's
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So he goes to his flight log
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that flight and sure enough, it
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or whatever. So he saw the
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through the show and later he found
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thousands of people had reported this UFO
and stuff. So really cool story.

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Kind of a new story for the
Phoenix Lights, and it shows you how

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some of these old UFO stories still
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there'll be some new exciting discoveries,
and I think this is a great addition.

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I do too. Excite story.
Yeah, I forgot all about that.

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I did read that briefly. I
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night or whatever. But yeah,
that is really that's a great story.

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Yeah, pretty cool. Did you
see Guardians of the Galaxy's not? Nope?

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Did you see the first one?
Nope? Oh wow, I'm must

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see it is it's I love it. I'm a big sci fi fan.

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I'm not as much a comic book
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it's really good. It's funny the
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the new one. I think a
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I really like the first one.
So a lot of fun. I mean,

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they're fun so and that's what it's
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fun. But Kurt Russell is really
good in the new movie, and that

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interviews a lot of fun, especially
to see Chris Pratt's reactions where he's just

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kind of freaking out and Kurt Russell's
you know, like you know, I

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saw this UFO along with thousands of
others. So pretty cool stuff. And

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y'all have that story up tomorrow.
Good stuff, man, m m hmm.

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Anything else, my friend, No, I saw on the website where

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someone has funded the Shag Harbor.
Yeah, so that's the only other thing.

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Yeah, some people might not know
that they had a problem. Yeah

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that's true. So I guess Canada
they were trying to get some grant.

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They were betting on getting a grant
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You know, the Shake Harper incidents
referred to as Canada's roswell and you

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could read more about it on our
story. I open minds that TV.

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But they were going to do a
festival and shake Harber is a real little

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town, five hundred people, I
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UFO museum there in a society around
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this grant and they didn't get it, so their whole festival was in jeopardy.

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They the News picked up on this
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donor. I'm glad you brought this
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the donor says. Some anonymous donor
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saved the event. So now they're
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is a UFO researcher, nice,
someone we probably know. I thought they

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were all broke like us. I
know. Well there's some, in fact,

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I know at least one Canadian man
who has some substantial amount of money.

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He's a snowbird too, so he
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He's a possible person because he's got
money. But this is what the

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donor didn't want to their name to
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statement. And this is what the
donor says. Although there is much I

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can't reveal without any hesitation. I
can say the Canadian government and the international

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community it answers to appears to be
concealing what happened in and around the waters

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of Sheake Harbor, Canada on October
fourth, nineteen sixty seven. People with

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the connections notoriety, notoriety and finances
are working hard to challenge and how we

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view the world around us. Shake
Harber is one of the smoking guns that

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will be used to achieve this.
Wow. Ironically, I have a Don

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Ledger coming up on my show this
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Oh good, good timing guy.
Yeah, yeah, you'll have to talk

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about this stuff. Yeah, yep, plea, yep. So it's nice

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to know there's a couple of UFO
researcher people out there with some money,

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not many. Yeah, and that
will actually help something like that, you

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know, put their put their money
down. That's pretty nice. Yeah,

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crazy. So that's a that's a
good story, a good happy story.

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Right all right, So I guess
uh that is all. Thank you so

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much for joining us once again,
Martin, you are very welcome. I'm

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looking forward to next week. Yay, it'll be a good one. So

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until then, let's go ahead and
talk to Caroline. I am very excited

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to bring to the show. Caroline
Corey. Hello, Hi, Honterro,

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thanks for having me today. Well, I'm super excited to have you just

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because your film looks great. Now
I haven't really I've seen trailers, but

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I haven't been able to watch it. However, I have a friend who

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has been able to watch it,
and that's Lee Spiegel, and boy did

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he love it. Man, he
just keeps talking about how excited he is

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about this film and everything. And
so cheers to you. And I hope

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and pray that you'll submit this to
the UFO Congress Film Festival. I definitely

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will. It was a malicon fact. Yeah, I put it on my

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calendar to do that in a fall, for sure. Perfect. Yeah,

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I'll let you know when we get
our stuff together and we have our applications

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ready. But very excited about that. So I guess to start off,

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let's get into it. The movie
is called Gods among Us The Science of

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Contact, And in a nutshell,
how would you describe what this film is

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about? So God's among Us The
Science of Contact is a documentary about different

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individuals from around the world who have
had some sort of contact with an extraterrestrial

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entity or an otherworldly intelligence, any
sort of beyond the three D dimensional contact.

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But the approach to these experiences is
a scientific approach. What I wanted

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to do is bring credibility, if
I could use that term, or bring

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some validation, because I have had
these experiences myself my entire life, and

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so I feel that there's a lot
of information that is not accurate or misunderstood

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or misinterpreted and certainly judged to be
supernatural or not normal or what have you.

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So I wanted to bring not just
scientific validation, but more truth as

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much as I could. So that's
what the film was about, and I

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think I succeeded great. Yeah,
it seems like Leith feels that you did

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so in the experiences, I guess
it sounds like then you're kind of and

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you know, I kind of am
familiar with this. Of course, with

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the interviewing people and everything. It's
the idea of that people, including yourself,

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have these experiences, and some of
what you're experiencing, theoretical scientists or

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others theorize that there's a possible mechanics
to it, like the rules of physics,

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essentially don't say that this cannot happen
exactly. In fact, it's the

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rule of current physics, but or
mainstream physics. But the individuals that we

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have in our film on astrophysicists from
Harvard and other quantum physicists that not only

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say it is possible, but they
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And in fact, that's what we
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lead scientists in the film doctor Shield
from the Harvard Smithtonian. Now his specialty

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is black hole, the study of
black hole, but also how it relates

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to consciousness, what consciousness is,
if that is a measurable thing, if

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that is a real thing, a
real phenomenon in terms of physics and mathematics,

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if you will. And he explains
how the laws of the you know,

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the mechanics of the universe can very
easily explain such things as telepathy for

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example, or even teleportation or you
know, when you say, you know,

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I saw UFO, like how did
it get here? Did it get

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here? Was an illusion? So
we are asking questions, if someone sees

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a UFO, is it possible that
this UFO does actually exist? And if

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it does actually exist, well,
how did it get here and how do

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we actually see it from a physic
standpoint, And he explains it, you

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know, because we talk about the
fabric of space itself and the magnetic properties

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of the black holes, and the
quantum waves and all of these things together

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explain and validate scientifically these phenomena.
And it seems like from the trailer,

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especially talking about Rudy Shield, he's
talking about this idea of consciousness kind of

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being like other energies in the universe, being spread, you know, like

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this thing that's just dispersed among the
stars, like other sorts of maybe even

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gases and energies out there. Yeah, precisely. So we talk about the

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fabric of space being not just a
random kind of bunch of energies and forces,

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you know, just kind of thrown
together. We talk about the fabric

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of space, the space itself or
the vacuum being perfectly organized according to specific

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patterning and structuring that is holographic,
that is geometric, and that means that

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the black holes are not don't just
happen to exist just anywhere. They exist

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where they exist for the purpose of
being perfectly aligned and correlated with other black

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holes. So if you can imagine
a hologram with all the black holes being

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geometrically perfectly aligned. Then you create
a sort of a perfect web system or

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cosmic web system, so that whatever
information that happens on at one black hole

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through resonance actually can and does exist
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time, if you can visualize that. So that's kind of the the way

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we you know, he explained,
and we talk about it in the film,

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and we actually show that, and
I'm sorry to that you didn't get

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to see it, because we did
actually send you a link, so I'm

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surprised that. I'm you know,
I'm sorry that you didn't get to view

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the film yourself, but of course
we will. We will do that again.

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But there's a visual of that structuring
of space, the patterning of space

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around the planet, and when you
see it visually, it makes perfect sense

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how it would be possible to be
projecting your consciousness being connected to the fabric

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of space. Therefore it's permeating the
entire space around you. And so if

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your consciousness is projecting a thought no
matter where you are, Let's say you're

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in Arizona and you're projecting your thought, that thought is kind of registered on

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the surface of the black hole.
And because I'm in California, there are

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black holes right above where I am, then I am through resonance. These

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two black holes pretty much have the
same information, if you will. That's

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how I get the message instantaneously.
Does that make sense in a way,

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in a way, because it's also
complicated, but you know, and it

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comes back to quantum and we'll get
into that a second. I do want

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to say I did get the link
to the movie, and thank you very

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much. I didn't have time to
work watch the film. However, I

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kind of like that because then I'm
fresh, just like the audience. So

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that way, I'm keeping them in
the loop with what we're talking about.

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And I don't want to be down
too biased. But you know, if

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you're an entrant, because I get
to do like the first wave of acceptance.

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But you're right idea. So but
getting back to what Rudy Shield is

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talking about. What you just described
now it sounds complicated, but what you're

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describing, and this is what is
kind of cool and what excites scientists,

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especially in this field, of this
idea of consciousness. We don't know what

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it is or how it works.
Necessarily, But the people who are best

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to speculate about it are the type
of people you got in the film,

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like doctor Rudy Shield, who's spend
a lot of time thinking about this and

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and matching it up to physics,
which is he's an astrophysicist. That's what

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he does. So that's what makes
it interesting. And I mean it makes

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sense in that sciences is often about
discovering the order of chaos, what appears

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to be chaos, and right now, because we know so little about consciousness,

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it does seem kind of chaotic,
but it makes sense that it would

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fit patterns, and if we could
understand these patterns, then it can allow

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for some of the phenomena we observe
but can't explain absolutely, So it is

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not chaotic. It appears to be
chaotic, but it is not. Can

408
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you imagine, you know, the
intelligence of your human body. If things

409
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were chaotic, then your brain wouldn't
know what to do, Your cells wouldn't

410
00:34:52.800 --> 00:34:54.760
know what to do. You know, all your cells, all your organs

411
00:34:55.119 --> 00:35:00.719
would be bumping into each other.
And I mean, there is an intelligent

412
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design. And if you can see
that within your human body, within the

413
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DNA, for example, within nature, if you see that intelligent design.

414
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I mean, so then intelligent design
doesn't stop to matter. It has to

415
00:35:15.599 --> 00:35:22.239
continue on. It wouldn't make sense
to have intelligent design within matter itself,

416
00:35:22.320 --> 00:35:28.079
but then between matter and the stars, let's say you know, the space

417
00:35:28.119 --> 00:35:31.199
itself, for that to be chaotic
and not organized, you know what I

418
00:35:31.239 --> 00:35:37.760
mean. So it's almost logical that
you know that fabric of space has the

419
00:35:37.800 --> 00:35:44.360
same intelligent design. So that's what
we talk about. And this is very

420
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cutting edges like you were saying,
it's we're physicists are just starting to they're

421
00:35:49.400 --> 00:35:53.239
still thinking it's chaotic. And the
concept we bring in the film is that

422
00:35:53.440 --> 00:36:00.760
there is this cosmic structure and it
is very much that structure, that patterning

423
00:36:01.280 --> 00:36:08.840
that allows and explains very well the
the the telepathy, but also a teleportation.

424
00:36:09.119 --> 00:36:15.199
How a consciousness or a UFO for
example, could actually travel from far

425
00:36:15.239 --> 00:36:22.239
away in space, uh to you
know, to to to Earth instantly because

426
00:36:22.320 --> 00:36:29.320
obviously the technology we're not talking about
propulsion here, we're talking about traveling along

427
00:36:29.800 --> 00:36:35.840
those pathways that are created through the
black holes because of the patterning and the

428
00:36:35.880 --> 00:36:42.440
structuring of space. And and to
go back to consciousness, what happens is

429
00:36:42.440 --> 00:36:47.639
that we noticed that consciousness has this
similar or at least a patterning. The

430
00:36:47.679 --> 00:36:57.039
waves of consciousness are coherent mathematically,
if you will, or geometrically with the

431
00:36:57.679 --> 00:37:01.719
geometry of space itself, so that
if you put that wave with this other

432
00:37:01.840 --> 00:37:07.000
wave, it almost blends in if
you will, it's coherent. So that's

433
00:37:07.039 --> 00:37:16.199
the reason why consciousness is pretty much
part fabric of space and can therefore exist

434
00:37:16.400 --> 00:37:23.679
anywhere throughout space. And so that's
it's all about the geometry or the coherence

435
00:37:23.760 --> 00:37:31.639
of the different quantum waves. And
we also talk about another brilliant scientist whos

436
00:37:31.639 --> 00:37:37.400
in the film is Glenn Ryan,
and his work is on DNA. So

437
00:37:37.480 --> 00:37:40.920
he's been working with DNA doing all
sorts of experiments with that, and he

438
00:37:40.960 --> 00:37:47.480
also talks about geometry and shape of
the DNA, and he notices that he

439
00:37:47.559 --> 00:37:52.400
noticed through his work that you know
how we talk about the DNA being two

440
00:37:52.480 --> 00:38:00.519
strands and having these sort of waves
and functions and conductivity and frequency and things

441
00:38:00.559 --> 00:38:06.559
like that. Well, what he
noticed is that when the frequency of the

442
00:38:06.679 --> 00:38:14.400
DNA is increased, the shape itself
of the DNA changes from being too strand

443
00:38:14.480 --> 00:38:22.280
to becoming terroidal, meaning like a
taurus. So This is pretty amazing because

444
00:38:22.320 --> 00:38:27.599
this means that even at a DNA
level, on an atomic level, within

445
00:38:27.679 --> 00:38:35.000
our bodies, our shape is also
the waves of everything within our body are

446
00:38:35.000 --> 00:38:40.239
also coherent with the space around us. So you know, the implication of

447
00:38:40.280 --> 00:38:47.159
that also are pretty amazing if you
can imagine, right, And I want

448
00:38:47.239 --> 00:38:54.159
to talk about like you know when
you talk about doctor Ryan, and I

449
00:38:54.199 --> 00:38:59.440
want to explain to the listeners to
that you know, when we talk about

450
00:38:59.480 --> 00:39:05.639
quantumness, there's this frustration with a
lot of people that this term quantum gets

451
00:39:05.840 --> 00:39:09.159
used and overused and often used by
people who don't understand it, which is

452
00:39:09.199 --> 00:39:15.960
true, and they use it to
explain their or justify their speculation. But

453
00:39:15.679 --> 00:39:20.719
you know, the people that you
have in your film and that you're referring

454
00:39:20.760 --> 00:39:24.360
to, for instance, doctor Glenn
Ryan, his title is a quantum biologist

455
00:39:24.480 --> 00:39:30.719
and euroscientist and he works at a
quantum biology research labs. You have doctor

456
00:39:30.760 --> 00:39:37.079
George Weiss who's a quantum physicist,
and doctor Beverly Rubik who's a quantum biophysicist.

457
00:39:37.800 --> 00:39:45.679
And I know through UH there's an
organization called SEC the Society of Scientific

458
00:39:45.760 --> 00:39:52.360
Exploration that was actually started to look
at UFO stuff. But they've moved into

459
00:39:52.440 --> 00:39:57.599
the consciousness area because there's a lot
there and I think people are afraid to

460
00:39:57.880 --> 00:40:04.880
go there because it is so complicated, it sounds so weird, and I

461
00:40:04.880 --> 00:40:07.519
think, I don't know, maybe
there's and you can let me know if

462
00:40:07.519 --> 00:40:12.440
you've ran across this, maybe there's
a fear where people almost don't want to

463
00:40:12.639 --> 00:40:17.239
understand the science of their consciousness because
it's kind of a scary aspect of thinking

464
00:40:17.280 --> 00:40:23.400
of maybe even your existence being somewhat
robotic or mechanical, I guess in a

465
00:40:23.400 --> 00:40:30.559
way being explained. But that's what's
exciting about your film is that you're getting

466
00:40:30.639 --> 00:40:38.199
all these people together to have this
educated discussion on these complicated topics. And

467
00:40:38.239 --> 00:40:42.880
it sounds like like these theories or
these things that you're talking about now,

468
00:40:44.280 --> 00:40:50.400
I mean, are they these scientists
in your film, do they all feel

469
00:40:50.480 --> 00:40:55.840
similar in that they are kind of
coming to some understanding. Yes. Absolutely,

470
00:40:55.880 --> 00:41:00.440
Actually, it was very interesting.
Just a quick note on what you

471
00:41:00.480 --> 00:41:06.719
just said about the fear factor.
It's very interesting because as we were speaking

472
00:41:06.760 --> 00:41:12.519
to different people from experiences to scientists
who wanted to participate, you know,

473
00:41:13.400 --> 00:41:17.199
especially the scientists since we're talking about
that, some of them had done amazing

474
00:41:17.360 --> 00:41:23.960
work themselves on, for example,
mind to mind transfer or telepathic communication and

475
00:41:24.000 --> 00:41:29.320
things like that. But they felt
that they weren't ready. They weren't ready

476
00:41:29.360 --> 00:41:31.639
to just be in a film.
You don't be talking about all this and

477
00:41:31.719 --> 00:41:37.079
the implication of it, or maybe
be even associated with the term extraterrestrial,

478
00:41:37.280 --> 00:41:45.000
you know what I mean. So
we encountered some of that, but fortunately

479
00:41:45.199 --> 00:41:49.920
we also found those amazing scientists who
were ready to do the work. We

480
00:41:49.960 --> 00:41:53.840
brought them in a film. And
what's amazing is that it wasn't these guys.

481
00:41:53.880 --> 00:41:58.679
So of course, they don't know
each other and they didn't know who

482
00:41:58.719 --> 00:42:01.719
else we were interviewed. So when, for example, I was talking to

483
00:42:01.800 --> 00:42:07.280
doctor Ryan, interviewing him, and
all of a sudden he's using words like

484
00:42:07.360 --> 00:42:12.559
the cosmic mind, the cosmic intelligence, the universal consciousness. And then I'm

485
00:42:12.599 --> 00:42:16.519
interviewing doctor Shield and Ad in Boston, you know, in Harvard, and

486
00:42:16.559 --> 00:42:21.800
he's using the same terms. And
then I'm using, you know, interviewing

487
00:42:21.840 --> 00:42:27.880
doctor Raydon in California, and again
he's talking about the cosmic mind. So

488
00:42:27.880 --> 00:42:32.119
so it's yeah, you know,
so that was fascinating that they are beginning,

489
00:42:32.280 --> 00:42:39.800
those scientists are beginning the use to
use the same terminology and understanding the

490
00:42:40.039 --> 00:42:45.920
similar concept even though they're not aware
of each other or each other's work.

491
00:42:45.559 --> 00:42:52.519
So to me, that's very exciting. I feel that these scientists are ready

492
00:42:52.960 --> 00:42:59.840
to just kind of put it out
there. But also, what you know

493
00:43:00.159 --> 00:43:04.159
happened in the film, it wasn't
just discussion and theory. I wanted to

494
00:43:04.159 --> 00:43:08.679
go a step further and actually do
scientific experiments. I didn't want to just

495
00:43:09.000 --> 00:43:14.000
you know, because you know,
in typical documentaries, you know, your

496
00:43:14.360 --> 00:43:21.519
interview experts and and and it's great, but I because I wanted to bring

497
00:43:21.599 --> 00:43:27.440
some sort of validation kind of beyond
uh, the you know, any doubt

498
00:43:27.559 --> 00:43:34.719
if you will. And so we
conducted actual experiments on camera and the results

499
00:43:34.800 --> 00:43:38.360
were mind blowing and I'm so glad
I did that. And so I can

500
00:43:38.400 --> 00:43:43.360
share maybe one other results because we
want to leave a little bit of suspense,

501
00:43:45.360 --> 00:43:49.920
you know that in one of the
excuse me, in one of the

502
00:43:50.039 --> 00:43:57.800
experiments that we did, it was
actually doctor Ryan's laboratory. So the idea

503
00:43:58.079 --> 00:44:05.679
was to show that a non physical
entity whatever whatever it may be, an

504
00:44:05.719 --> 00:44:13.480
extraterrestrial that's showing up or through another
dimension, or maybe an angel or something

505
00:44:13.599 --> 00:44:21.199
like or a spirit, any sort
of non physical entity if it would have

506
00:44:21.559 --> 00:44:25.519
any sort of physical impact on the
body, on the human body. And

507
00:44:25.599 --> 00:44:30.719
so, of course, interestingly enough, doctor Ryan has been working with human

508
00:44:30.840 --> 00:44:40.239
DNA. So we took a sample
of a human placenta and we did of

509
00:44:40.320 --> 00:44:44.480
course, we ran several experiments because
in science, as you know, you

510
00:44:44.559 --> 00:44:46.880
have to do it over and over
and over. So we did that.

511
00:44:47.039 --> 00:44:53.400
And what I did was to specifically
invoke in an angelic being and I said,

512
00:44:53.480 --> 00:44:59.960
okay, so we're invoking that entity, and we want to see if

513
00:45:00.239 --> 00:45:04.960
there's you know, any sort of
contact that happens with that DNA. And

514
00:45:05.440 --> 00:45:10.400
one of the results that we found
was the conductivity of the DNA shot up

515
00:45:10.559 --> 00:45:16.400
four hundred percent, which is huge. This means that the electricity, the

516
00:45:16.440 --> 00:45:22.639
conductivity, which is the electrical conductivity
that goes through the DNA, if it

517
00:45:22.679 --> 00:45:28.320
was going at one rate, well, it increased to four hundred four hundred

518
00:45:28.400 --> 00:45:32.400
times when that invocation was happening.
And like I said, we did it

519
00:45:32.440 --> 00:45:37.400
over and over, so we know
it wasn't a fluke. And so so

520
00:45:37.519 --> 00:45:43.239
this is very exciting because this is
these are only one of the results that

521
00:45:43.320 --> 00:45:52.440
we got because the electrical conductivity of
the DNA. When it's increased, it

522
00:45:52.559 --> 00:46:00.880
increases also its ability to self repair, to self correct. So so just

523
00:46:00.000 --> 00:46:07.119
with this one result, we pretty
much showed that whether you know it's it's

524
00:46:07.159 --> 00:46:14.719
this angelic being or whatever, when
that invocation happened and that contact happened,

525
00:46:15.079 --> 00:46:20.760
the DNA responded and it's responded in
this matter. So you know, I

526
00:46:20.800 --> 00:46:27.400
mean, this is pretty revolutionary right
there. And then we had other sort

527
00:46:27.400 --> 00:46:32.440
of experiments as well done on the
DNA and the implications are are just mind

528
00:46:32.480 --> 00:46:37.800
blowing. You know, it's it's
a so that sort of thing I think

529
00:46:37.079 --> 00:46:45.320
is making this film hopefully very you
know, bringing a lot more to it

530
00:46:45.000 --> 00:46:54.239
and bringing that scientific validation. Yeah. Well see I have you know,

531
00:46:54.320 --> 00:46:59.559
my major was in psychology, but
it was more industrial and stuff, but

532
00:46:59.679 --> 00:47:06.000
still we studied the different things,
you know, the mind, and then

533
00:47:06.039 --> 00:47:10.480
I also received a certificate and hypnotherapy. And what I find fascinating and what

534
00:47:10.800 --> 00:47:17.119
especially with what you're describing, is
is that you know, there are the

535
00:47:17.199 --> 00:47:23.199
way people heal. There's so much
we don't understand where some people will heal

536
00:47:23.280 --> 00:47:30.320
quickly and others won't. And hypnotherapy
is one way where it's found that helps

537
00:47:30.360 --> 00:47:36.280
people, although the mechanics aren't really
understood. But just like what you're talking

538
00:47:36.320 --> 00:47:42.079
about, your invocation seemed to have
an effect. Now that could be just

539
00:47:42.119 --> 00:47:45.960
because an effect coming from you somehow, or maybe it could be a third

540
00:47:46.000 --> 00:47:53.440
party, who knows, but it's
demonstrating that there is an effect like has

541
00:47:53.480 --> 00:48:00.000
been you know, demonstrated before,
or at least not in this particular way,

542
00:48:00.239 --> 00:48:05.840
but in different ways. And that's
what's fascinating is that we might be

543
00:48:05.880 --> 00:48:10.280
able to at least understand the mechanics
to that, which of course have huge

544
00:48:10.320 --> 00:48:16.199
benefits for people because it shows that
even things such as prayer or or like

545
00:48:16.239 --> 00:48:29.159
what you did can possibly have an
effect on someone someone's healing process. Absolutely,

546
00:48:29.280 --> 00:48:32.599
it does have an effect. That's
what we were validating. That's what

547
00:48:32.599 --> 00:48:37.280
we were proving. But just to
answer the question about maybe it came from

548
00:48:37.320 --> 00:48:43.480
me or from the the you know, the the angelic form, well,

549
00:48:43.519 --> 00:48:47.599
we did another set of experiment to
actually test that. Okay, so what

550
00:48:47.679 --> 00:48:51.760
happens when it's just me and what
happens when I say, okay, I'm

551
00:48:51.760 --> 00:48:54.079
calling in I don't know our changel
Michael or something, you know. So

552
00:48:54.280 --> 00:49:00.480
we did do these experiments and it
was different. But even like let's say,

553
00:49:00.599 --> 00:49:04.280
even if it was just me,
because in either case there was a

554
00:49:04.320 --> 00:49:09.079
difference. But in fact that's even
more exciting because don't forget, I did

555
00:49:09.119 --> 00:49:14.119
not touch the DNA sample. The
DNA sample was sitting on a table,

556
00:49:14.599 --> 00:49:15.760
you know, in front of me, so there was you know what I

557
00:49:15.760 --> 00:49:21.960
mean, So I wasn't whatever I
did. If I did it, well

558
00:49:22.360 --> 00:49:29.239
got injected somehow in the DNA.
Does that make sense? And this means

559
00:49:29.280 --> 00:49:34.159
this is extremely exciting. This means
that my thought, my intent, my

560
00:49:34.280 --> 00:49:39.079
invocation was able to affect that DNA. This then proves, like you just

561
00:49:39.119 --> 00:49:44.559
said, for in terms of prayers
and things like that, this proves that

562
00:49:44.599 --> 00:49:51.039
when people have are directing their invocation
or their prayer on something which would be

563
00:49:51.079 --> 00:49:54.920
their own body, it does work. That's what we were able to show

564
00:49:55.159 --> 00:50:00.719
very much on camera. So I
mean, it's very exciting, right,

565
00:50:00.880 --> 00:50:04.559
And I love the idea because it's
just there's obvious. I mean, there's

566
00:50:04.639 --> 00:50:07.840
just so much evidence out there,
and I think people especially it's an experiential

567
00:50:07.920 --> 00:50:15.199
thing where some people go through a
scary situation and they some people very quickly

568
00:50:15.239 --> 00:50:19.320
make it out of it, and
some people don't. And you know,

569
00:50:19.519 --> 00:50:24.039
healthy people for instance, that get
sick or have heart attacks, and real

570
00:50:24.119 --> 00:50:30.079
people who work out constantly sometimes don't
make it through difficult medical issues, whereas

571
00:50:30.119 --> 00:50:35.480
other people who aren't healthy do.
But there's attitude, there's all these different

572
00:50:35.519 --> 00:50:44.159
factors that we don't understand, and
it's just wonderful that well exploring these areas

573
00:50:44.199 --> 00:50:49.559
because like you said, and like
these scientists have said, there are I

574
00:50:49.599 --> 00:50:52.519
know one of them I talked with. I don't know if you've met him.

575
00:50:53.840 --> 00:50:55.960
I can't remember his name right now, but I'll think of it.

576
00:50:57.039 --> 00:51:00.159
But anyways, talking about these subtle
energies that we don't understand that are on

577
00:51:00.239 --> 00:51:06.760
the quantum level, and quantum just
means extremely extremely, extremely small, so

578
00:51:06.920 --> 00:51:12.079
small that you know that they're not
things that we can easily detect like other

579
00:51:12.119 --> 00:51:19.440
things that are larger. And that's
where these energies could exist, such as

580
00:51:20.000 --> 00:51:27.760
consciousness or even they theorize about,
you know, then our brains having some

581
00:51:27.800 --> 00:51:32.480
sort of this material or being able
to interact with all of this and ourselves

582
00:51:32.559 --> 00:51:37.840
throughout our body, which could mean
and a lot of these scientists and biologists

583
00:51:37.840 --> 00:51:44.000
talk about it, you know,
healing processes that we could I mean if

584
00:51:44.039 --> 00:51:50.199
we could just by learning that prayer
or helping people just by thinking about them

585
00:51:50.320 --> 00:51:57.119
and thinking positively about them, or
trying to invoke something that can help them.

586
00:51:57.239 --> 00:52:00.719
That's a very easy thing. It's
an inexpensive thing for us to do

587
00:52:00.239 --> 00:52:06.360
to help each other. Absolutely exactly. That's why this, this, this

588
00:52:06.559 --> 00:52:10.920
work is just so exciting. Now, there has been other types of tests

589
00:52:10.960 --> 00:52:17.480
being done, you know, bringing
healing energy and then you know, seeing

590
00:52:17.760 --> 00:52:22.239
different sorts of results. But what
we've done that's very unique is was to

591
00:52:22.360 --> 00:52:29.639
measure it on a DNA sample.
That's what's very different and unique because wait

592
00:52:29.639 --> 00:52:36.440
a minute, does that we are
pretty much changing the functioning of the DNA

593
00:52:36.559 --> 00:52:39.480
when we're changing its electrical conductivity.
And then, like I said, we've

594
00:52:39.519 --> 00:52:45.159
done other tests where the frequency also
changes and what that means. So it's

595
00:52:45.400 --> 00:52:52.840
so that's what makes it very unique
in the sense that you are able to

596
00:52:52.280 --> 00:52:59.280
literally change your DNA and of course
by changing your DNA, you're changing your

597
00:52:59.320 --> 00:53:05.800
health, you're changeing your your entire
being. So so this this is so

598
00:53:05.920 --> 00:53:10.599
because of that, and you know
other tests as well that we've done,

599
00:53:10.679 --> 00:53:15.559
so so we are the scientists got
so excited. So now we have an

600
00:53:15.800 --> 00:53:22.880
entire range of experiments that we are
planning. In fact, we are planning

601
00:53:22.920 --> 00:53:28.119
the next show as well, because
I think this is going to be a

602
00:53:28.159 --> 00:53:37.639
series. And another another quick thing
that we did was a long distance also.

603
00:53:38.159 --> 00:53:43.960
Now this time was not on DNA, but it was on biophoton measurement.

604
00:53:44.239 --> 00:53:49.400
And so the biophoton emission are tiny, tiny little particles of light,

605
00:53:49.519 --> 00:53:52.880
if you will, that are emitted
from a human body. So we did

606
00:53:52.920 --> 00:53:58.519
an experiment where we projected. Again, we we are trying to show that

607
00:53:58.639 --> 00:54:04.960
any sort of non physical contact does
change our body, does change our reality,

608
00:54:05.800 --> 00:54:09.079
and has a physical effect. So
we did that as well. I

609
00:54:09.119 --> 00:54:14.480
was here in Los Angeles and the
lab was in San Francisco, and we

610
00:54:14.519 --> 00:54:22.679
did the long distance projection of these
beings and the same thing the electrical systems

611
00:54:22.840 --> 00:54:30.840
also, there's all sorts of devices
devices that were measuring different sorts of changes

612
00:54:30.000 --> 00:54:35.960
and the spikes were huge. And
when you do it scientifically, we do

613
00:54:36.000 --> 00:54:40.519
it like on twenty minutes off twenty
minutes, so we know when the machine

614
00:54:40.559 --> 00:54:45.440
response is when that invocation is happening. So this is very real. I

615
00:54:45.440 --> 00:54:50.639
mean, when we come in contact
with an angelic form or an extraterrestrial or

616
00:54:50.719 --> 00:54:57.000
what have you. This contact did
happen, and it did affect our physical

617
00:54:57.039 --> 00:55:00.880
cells, and that's what we're showing. What I like about your experiment also

618
00:55:01.000 --> 00:55:05.800
is that with hypnotherapy, some people
theorize that you know, or the laying

619
00:55:05.840 --> 00:55:12.280
on of hands or something like that, that that positive just positivity you're sending

620
00:55:12.440 --> 00:55:17.360
to a person and them feeling that
you care about them and you're trying to

621
00:55:17.400 --> 00:55:22.599
help them alone helps their state of
mind, which helps them heal, which

622
00:55:22.639 --> 00:55:27.039
is possible, and that's that's that's
a good thing too. But with your

623
00:55:27.119 --> 00:55:32.320
experiment, you've shown that when you
know this this DNA is you, you

624
00:55:32.360 --> 00:55:37.199
did your invocation on it, it's
not a conscious thing that has a consciousness,

625
00:55:37.199 --> 00:55:43.000
So it's not like it felt positive
and that's why it changed. It

626
00:55:44.119 --> 00:55:52.960
demonstrates like an outside uh effect effect
from something outside of it exactly. And

627
00:55:52.039 --> 00:55:58.079
that's what's scary and at the same
time very very exacting. Yeah, because

628
00:55:58.119 --> 00:56:00.960
this means that wait a minute,
you know, so when we come in

629
00:56:01.039 --> 00:56:06.800
contact with any sort of external energy, if that person, let's say,

630
00:56:06.840 --> 00:56:10.079
is bombarding us or extraterrestrial or what
have you, is bombarding us with negative

631
00:56:10.239 --> 00:56:15.880
energy, well this does have an
effect on us. It is a measurable

632
00:56:15.920 --> 00:56:21.280
effect. And that's why sometimes you
just need to get out of a conversation

633
00:56:21.480 --> 00:56:24.559
or get out of a place because
it just doesn't feel good. Because literally,

634
00:56:24.760 --> 00:56:29.400
it is happening. It is not
your imagination. It is not only

635
00:56:29.559 --> 00:56:35.559
psychological, it is physiological. That's
what we're proving. So but the exciting

636
00:56:35.679 --> 00:56:39.880
part is that if you're able to
do it, if this is a spontaneous,

637
00:56:39.960 --> 00:56:45.800
let thain organic effect, well then
this means that your consciousness, your

638
00:56:45.920 --> 00:56:52.760
mind, your invocation has the same
capability. And so all you have to

639
00:56:52.840 --> 00:56:59.119
do is then reverse it and you
now you know, project on yourself,

640
00:56:59.159 --> 00:57:02.000
you invoke energy, and that works
just the same. You know, it's

641
00:57:02.039 --> 00:57:07.599
funny humans are programmed to only think
of the negative or always go to a

642
00:57:07.679 --> 00:57:14.360
place of you know, there's nothing
I can do. I'm too small.

643
00:57:14.840 --> 00:57:17.440
You know, this entity is bigger
than me, it knows more than me.

644
00:57:17.639 --> 00:57:22.239
It can take over me, it
can control me. That is not

645
00:57:22.360 --> 00:57:25.639
true. Now, of course,
some of the entities are extremely powerful,

646
00:57:27.000 --> 00:57:30.199
especially if they take you, you
know, if you're off guard or something

647
00:57:30.360 --> 00:57:34.960
like that, catch you off guard
or something like that. But or if

648
00:57:35.000 --> 00:57:38.719
you're not prepared or you don't know
what you're supposed to do, but it

649
00:57:38.719 --> 00:57:43.199
doesn't mean that you can't reverse.
It doesn't mean that you can't invoke a

650
00:57:43.400 --> 00:57:46.000
protective energy around you, and so
on and so forth. So this is

651
00:57:46.280 --> 00:57:52.000
very very important for people to realize. Yeah, you know, in all

652
00:57:52.039 --> 00:57:55.920
of my paranormal research and investigation,
I've always gone in the back of my

653
00:57:57.000 --> 00:58:00.159
mind with that working theory is that
you know, my own owning my own

654
00:58:00.239 --> 00:58:07.119
space and being positive and fearless is
what's going to protect me. And luckily

655
00:58:07.159 --> 00:58:12.280
I haven't had anything negative happened to
me. I'm all my ghost adventures or

656
00:58:12.480 --> 00:58:19.239
or what have you. So maybe
that's why maybe I've shielded myself. You

657
00:58:19.360 --> 00:58:25.280
did, you have been So I
want to apply this now to the extraterrestrial

658
00:58:25.719 --> 00:58:37.519
experience, and you yourself have had
experiences. So maybe if you could describe

659
00:58:37.679 --> 00:58:45.159
what your experiences are like. Do
you have a physical interaction or do you

660
00:58:45.280 --> 00:58:52.440
feel that you have mostly messages or
information? Actually it's a combination of both.

661
00:58:52.519 --> 00:58:55.239
But it started for me when I
was very young. I was five

662
00:58:55.320 --> 00:59:00.760
years old, and that was the
very first significyn encounter, if you will,

663
00:59:01.199 --> 00:59:06.440
And that consciousness that came to me
at that time was more of a

664
00:59:06.960 --> 00:59:10.239
let's say a ball of light.
It looked like a condensed light, but

665
00:59:10.679 --> 00:59:15.559
as it showed up and I could
perceive the subtle energy right then, so

666
00:59:15.599 --> 00:59:20.679
I could feel it, sense it, but also see it and hear it.

667
00:59:20.760 --> 00:59:23.079
So what happens is that, you
know, your brain doesn't function in

668
00:59:23.079 --> 00:59:29.679
the same way. It doesn't function
in a linear sense. When you have

669
00:59:29.800 --> 00:59:36.599
these communication your brain switches from like
ten percent functioning to a full brain kind

670
00:59:36.599 --> 00:59:42.880
of absorbing the entire information at once. So when you come in contact with

671
00:59:43.000 --> 00:59:45.719
something, even something that you have
never seen before at the age of five,

672
00:59:45.880 --> 00:59:51.320
as you can imagine, there's no
internet or any research to be done

673
00:59:51.760 --> 00:59:54.199
that tells you you know, if
you come in contact with such a thing,

674
00:59:54.280 --> 01:00:00.480
it means that. So you know, obviously it's very spontaneous. You're

675
01:00:00.519 --> 01:00:05.760
not prepared. And yet when you
do have that experience, your brain is

676
01:00:05.800 --> 01:00:10.880
capable. Because we're talking now about
consciousness, it's your consciousness that is tapping

677
01:00:10.920 --> 01:00:16.519
into their consciousness and vice versa.
So I could see and perceive that this

678
01:00:16.760 --> 01:00:21.679
was a group of being, and
in fact I could see and perceive that

679
01:00:21.719 --> 01:00:27.320
they came from a place beyond this
planet, beyond this galaxy. They came

680
01:00:27.360 --> 01:00:34.719
from a very faraway place in the
universe, and we started communicating telepathically.

681
01:00:35.280 --> 01:00:40.800
I could see and perceive how the
way they were communicating were concepts that were

682
01:00:40.800 --> 01:00:45.880
condensed into codes, and these codes
were kind of being transferred. Like I

683
01:00:45.920 --> 01:00:51.480
said, organically, it's like the
two consciousness are merged, and whatever happens

684
01:00:51.519 --> 01:00:54.400
in one consciousness happens in the other. It's pretty much that. And so

685
01:00:54.559 --> 01:01:00.280
these codes were being transferred into my
consciousness and then the human brain translates them

686
01:01:01.960 --> 01:01:07.000
into a human language that you can
understand. And so that's kind of how

687
01:01:07.280 --> 01:01:14.360
that was my first experience, and
that kind of also set me up for

688
01:01:14.400 --> 01:01:19.559
the rest of my life to be
able to perceive the different types of consciousness

689
01:01:19.559 --> 01:01:23.079
and discern them. So on and
off, I've had those types of encounters,

690
01:01:23.119 --> 01:01:28.800
and eventually as I grew up too, I started, you know,

691
01:01:28.920 --> 01:01:38.119
having physical visitations. But also I
mean I've encountered beings in like in like

692
01:01:38.480 --> 01:01:44.840
in physical form as well in a
public space. So they've come to me

693
01:01:45.199 --> 01:01:50.559
in in my environment, but also
I've seen them outside now that that's more

694
01:01:50.639 --> 01:01:53.599
rare. But the ones that came
to me in my environment, some of

695
01:01:53.639 --> 01:02:00.559
them were from a star system that
we call serious. These guys were actually

696
01:02:00.679 --> 01:02:05.320
more had more of a shape.
There weren't just a ball of light.

697
01:02:05.400 --> 01:02:09.400
There actually had the head and arms
and legs, but they didn't have internal

698
01:02:09.679 --> 01:02:17.519
organs. They were just kind of
light but had a humanoid shape. And

699
01:02:17.719 --> 01:02:23.079
other types of beings as well that
had a humanoid shape but had less of

700
01:02:23.280 --> 01:02:31.840
a material you know, material form
if you will, and other beings as

701
01:02:31.880 --> 01:02:36.880
well. So it's kind of a
range of different types of being throughout my

702
01:02:36.960 --> 01:02:45.400
life. Let me ask you this
because this is one thing that is always

703
01:02:45.440 --> 01:02:50.679
a bit difficult. Although I why
I am on that on how it can

704
01:02:50.719 --> 01:02:58.039
be positive. Though when people a
lot of experiencers, people who experience contact

705
01:02:58.159 --> 01:03:06.920
and communication or they do their stories
are rarely do you find it seems two

706
01:03:07.000 --> 01:03:10.719
stories that are the same, meaning
that it was the same type of entities

707
01:03:10.800 --> 01:03:16.000
telling the same sort of stories.
Why do you think that might be?

708
01:03:17.400 --> 01:03:21.960
Some of it is absolutely true.
I mean, there are people who tell

709
01:03:22.000 --> 01:03:24.400
me stories who didn't know who didn't
know each other. But the detail,

710
01:03:25.000 --> 01:03:30.559
the type of information that they're saying, it's not that Okay, he was

711
01:03:30.599 --> 01:03:32.599
short, he was grey. He
told me he's here to help humanity.

712
01:03:32.719 --> 01:03:37.559
Okay, this is just kind of
very generalized. And it's possible that people

713
01:03:37.639 --> 01:03:42.760
are getting influenced or reading something and
then projecting that into their own experience.

714
01:03:43.000 --> 01:03:46.400
But some of the things that they
say is just too personal, it's too

715
01:03:46.599 --> 01:03:52.239
detailed that you know, that's when
you start to go huh okay, that's

716
01:03:52.400 --> 01:04:00.559
you know how it's just too close
for it to be an interpretation or projection.

717
01:04:00.239 --> 01:04:04.199
But I've been working with people like
this for a long time and we

718
01:04:04.239 --> 01:04:10.159
talk about that in a film as
well. But what happens is that I

719
01:04:10.199 --> 01:04:16.639
personally notice that most of these experiencers, I want to say, and I'm

720
01:04:16.679 --> 01:04:23.760
generalizing here, I think about something
about sixty to seventy percent of their story

721
01:04:24.119 --> 01:04:29.679
is real. This means that they
they did have an abduction or they did

722
01:04:29.719 --> 01:04:33.519
have a visitation, but then the
rest of it is projected or interpreted,

723
01:04:34.119 --> 01:04:40.960
not necessarily on purpose that they are
trying to sensationalize their story or make it

724
01:04:41.000 --> 01:04:45.639
more interesting, but because they think
that's what happened. So and there's a

725
01:04:45.719 --> 01:04:53.760
kind of a fine line between the
authentic experience and where the human mind kicks

726
01:04:53.800 --> 01:04:59.360
in and interprets what's happening to them. Sometimes it's, as you know,

727
01:04:59.480 --> 01:05:02.440
being a psycho collegists. Sometimes it's
a defense mechanism, you know, because

728
01:05:02.480 --> 01:05:05.039
you don't know. Also, if
you know, if somebody, if you

729
01:05:05.320 --> 01:05:11.320
have an alien, you know,
putting some tool inside your body or something,

730
01:05:12.039 --> 01:05:16.119
you know, and you don't perhaps
you want to block the idea that

731
01:05:16.760 --> 01:05:20.639
some DNA was taken from you or
some eggs or what have you. And

732
01:05:20.679 --> 01:05:27.239
so you're interpreting that as perhaps they
were trying to help and heal, you

733
01:05:27.280 --> 01:05:30.440
know, use my DNA to evolve
humanity. Do you see what I mean?

734
01:05:30.519 --> 01:05:34.559
So mm hmm, Well, yeah, no, it's going to say

735
01:05:34.559 --> 01:05:39.679
that's very interesting, because that's how
the mind works. I mean, even

736
01:05:40.639 --> 01:05:44.880
let's say you and I had met
for a coffee a week ago, and

737
01:05:45.239 --> 01:05:49.360
you know, just a casual visit, and then a week later we discussed

738
01:05:49.400 --> 01:05:53.519
that that meeting we had and we
say, you know, you remember this,

739
01:05:53.639 --> 01:05:56.840
you remember that, We're going to
have different memories of that experience.

740
01:05:56.880 --> 01:06:02.880
We're going to have translated that experience
differently, And that's just how the mind

741
01:06:02.960 --> 01:06:08.760
works. So that makes a lot
of sense, absolutely, And it's according

742
01:06:08.920 --> 01:06:13.400
the interpretation of that same story is
going to be different according to our own

743
01:06:13.400 --> 01:06:17.519
individual filters. You see what I
mean? So that's where I think the

744
01:06:17.639 --> 01:06:21.400
human mind plays tricks. And again
this is not to say that the person

745
01:06:21.719 --> 01:06:28.159
is trying to be untruthful. It's
just a defense mechanism out of fear and

746
01:06:28.199 --> 01:06:30.199
things like that. So in fact, what I do with them in the

747
01:06:30.280 --> 01:06:35.480
session is try to kind of help
them see what really happened the rest of

748
01:06:35.519 --> 01:06:39.719
the story. So the first sixty
percent, yes, but then the rest

749
01:06:39.760 --> 01:06:44.239
of it, you know, actually
this did happen, but to kind of

750
01:06:44.760 --> 01:06:47.960
help release it. If it is
a negative experience, to shift it,

751
01:06:48.039 --> 01:06:54.679
to release it and transform it into
a positive experience. And as I was

752
01:06:54.760 --> 01:06:59.599
just saying, you can do that
with your thoughts. You can change transmute

753
01:06:59.599 --> 01:07:03.280
the actual consciousness, the actual memory, so that you can you know,

754
01:07:03.719 --> 01:07:08.519
live with it or feel positive about
it in one way or another, or

755
01:07:08.559 --> 01:07:14.400
at least let it go. And
so so, and sometimes it is it's

756
01:07:14.480 --> 01:07:17.519
actually a very positive experience. There's
no projection at all. So it's case

757
01:07:17.559 --> 01:07:20.679
by case. And that's the reason
why we can't say, oh, they're

758
01:07:20.719 --> 01:07:25.239
all telling stories or half of it
is true. It's not true. No,

759
01:07:25.320 --> 01:07:30.159
it's really case by case. That's
interesting, and it's one of the

760
01:07:30.679 --> 01:07:34.320
reasons why I like, for instance, at the UFO Conference Congress, we

761
01:07:34.480 --> 01:07:45.920
don't typically have experiencers come up and
tell their story because the individual stories differ.

762
01:07:45.440 --> 01:07:49.400
And that's why I think it's great
to have researchers come up, because

763
01:07:49.760 --> 01:07:57.440
they can talk about the commonalities so
that I think we get a more full

764
01:07:57.559 --> 01:08:03.960
picture what you're describing. We could
get more a better picture of then what

765
01:08:04.119 --> 01:08:08.559
may or may not be happening.
Right, Yeah, And you know,

766
01:08:08.679 --> 01:08:12.039
I think it's okay for experiences to
tell their stories, you know, but

767
01:08:12.559 --> 01:08:16.680
again, as long as they begin
to admit that, I think this is

768
01:08:17.520 --> 01:08:25.600
a kind of a way to also
perhaps educate the experiencers themselves and say,

769
01:08:25.840 --> 01:08:28.439
yeah, you know, you know
what I mean, and say this is

770
01:08:28.479 --> 01:08:31.279
what I understand happened. This is
what I know for sure happened because I

771
01:08:31.319 --> 01:08:35.560
came back with the scar that I
didn't have before, for example, you

772
01:08:35.600 --> 01:08:41.199
know what I mean, things that
are absolutely real. But at one point,

773
01:08:41.319 --> 01:08:44.000
if you are able to say,
you know, at this point,

774
01:08:44.119 --> 01:08:46.840
I think I heard this and I
think I understand it that way, I

775
01:08:46.880 --> 01:08:51.239
think it's better than to say this
is the way it is and this is

776
01:08:51.279 --> 01:08:56.119
what exactly happened. Because, as
you all know, even in healing.

777
01:08:56.159 --> 01:08:59.960
I mean I've been doing this work
for a very long time, like almost

778
01:09:00.079 --> 01:09:02.640
twenty years, helping different people,
not just with extra trustual contact, with

779
01:09:02.760 --> 01:09:10.439
all sorts of subconscious blocks. And
you know, people think it's one way

780
01:09:10.520 --> 01:09:16.159
when it's not. And so,
and it's very hard to work on yourself

781
01:09:16.399 --> 01:09:21.720
because you can't see your own stuff, you know. That's the reason why.

782
01:09:21.840 --> 01:09:27.880
So a lot of the very some
of my very advanced students, they

783
01:09:27.920 --> 01:09:31.640
do amazing work with other people,
but then what is their own stuff?

784
01:09:31.720 --> 01:09:34.880
Yeah, you know, it's very
hard. So that's the reason why we

785
01:09:35.039 --> 01:09:40.319
I think everyone should at least say
admit that and say, you know,

786
01:09:40.479 --> 01:09:44.199
at this point, I think it's
this way, and I believe this is

787
01:09:44.239 --> 01:09:46.800
what happens. Yeah, yeah,
I think it goes back all the way

788
01:09:46.800 --> 01:09:50.920
to Carl you kind of that dark
self that we're blinded to, that we

789
01:09:50.960 --> 01:09:57.279
all have this dark side, and
that for some reason we just can't see

790
01:09:57.279 --> 01:10:00.399
it all, we can't understand it
all, which we sometimes need outside help,

791
01:10:00.439 --> 01:10:03.359
to someone to tell us that.
Of course, we don't want to

792
01:10:03.399 --> 01:10:08.159
see all the bad stuff about ourselves, but it's important because we can't work

793
01:10:08.199 --> 01:10:14.079
through that stuff without being aware of
it. So it's like you said,

794
01:10:14.079 --> 01:10:18.760
part of these filters that we have, Yeah, absolutely really really interesting.

795
01:10:19.680 --> 01:10:23.359
I guess before we're out of time, another thing I wanted to talk about

796
01:10:23.399 --> 01:10:28.319
and ashally about. Some of my
listeners are probably familiar with doctor Gary Nolan,

797
01:10:28.439 --> 01:10:31.600
because at least wait a while back, I interviewed him a couple of

798
01:10:31.640 --> 01:10:35.720
times and we talked a bit about
him. He is a professor of microbiology

799
01:10:35.720 --> 01:10:45.399
at Stanford University and he did DNA
analysis on a couple different skeletons or remains

800
01:10:45.439 --> 01:10:53.119
that people felt might be extraterrestrial,
but his analysis showed otherwise. However,

801
01:10:53.560 --> 01:10:57.760
that's not necessarily a bad thing,
because what's cool about him is that he

802
01:10:57.920 --> 01:11:00.479
was willing to do this in the
first Like you said, a lot of

803
01:11:00.479 --> 01:11:05.760
scientists don't want to be attached to
et stuff, and especially at Stanford.

804
01:11:05.800 --> 01:11:11.600
And I know he is sensitive about
it because when I wrote, you know,

805
01:11:11.840 --> 01:11:18.199
he was very careful and the nuance
of what he said was really important.

806
01:11:18.640 --> 01:11:23.000
He had to be very careful that
way. But what's cool is that

807
01:11:23.079 --> 01:11:30.880
he was willing to risk take the
risk to be involved with this sort of

808
01:11:30.920 --> 01:11:34.199
stuff. And I guess what role
does he play in the film? And

809
01:11:38.039 --> 01:11:43.560
well, actually Gary was awesome because
he represented like, you know, kind

810
01:11:43.600 --> 01:11:47.800
of the scholar you know, from
an established institutions such as you know,

811
01:11:47.960 --> 01:11:53.159
Stanford University. Wow, you know, so it was great to have him

812
01:11:53.159 --> 01:11:57.239
on board. He didn't get involved
in any of the experiments or anything like

813
01:11:57.279 --> 01:12:01.880
that. He was more talking to
us about all the research being done on

814
01:12:02.039 --> 01:12:08.159
DNA and where things are with the
DNA because you know, there's still this

815
01:12:08.239 --> 01:12:15.000
whole confusion about the junk DNA and
what we how much we know of the

816
01:12:15.119 --> 01:12:21.399
DNA and things like that. So
these were strict interviews with him, but

817
01:12:21.880 --> 01:12:30.239
he is so knowledgeable. I mean
he brings up actually pretty amazing points about

818
01:12:30.279 --> 01:12:35.520
the DNA that in the film ended
up helping make our case, if you

819
01:12:35.600 --> 01:12:44.720
will. So that's why his insight
and input was extremely valuable. And he's

820
01:12:44.920 --> 01:12:49.039
very eloquent. He's very i mean, his work is so detailed, so

821
01:12:49.079 --> 01:12:55.920
he can talk he can talk about
the DNA from that perspective, you know,

822
01:12:56.479 --> 01:13:01.560
and kind of to tell us where
science is with it at this point.

823
01:13:03.680 --> 01:13:08.439
So but like I said, he
he does go there and he does

824
01:13:08.800 --> 01:13:14.680
include the cosmic intelligence or some sort
of I don't think he uses the word

825
01:13:14.720 --> 01:13:19.600
extraterrestrial but he in the film,
I'm sure he doesn't, but he does

826
01:13:19.680 --> 01:13:28.119
talk about some sort of intelligence behind
the DNA, So so we were very

827
01:13:28.119 --> 01:13:31.279
grateful to have him. He was
fantastic. Well. I loved the term

828
01:13:31.479 --> 01:13:43.079
of cosmic intelligence or or I think
there was a precognitive intelligence or something like

829
01:13:43.119 --> 01:13:47.840
that, you know, another person, Doctor John Alexander refers to these these

830
01:13:48.000 --> 01:13:54.279
outside kind of consciousness that may or
may not or are influencing somehow, these

831
01:13:54.399 --> 01:14:01.399
kind of self aware intelligence that seems
to be elusive but out there somewhere.

832
01:14:03.119 --> 01:14:10.000
And I love that because it's at
least it's acknowledging this this sort of intelligence

833
01:14:10.039 --> 01:14:16.239
that seems to be a parent,
but without necessarily defining it too thoroughly,

834
01:14:17.399 --> 01:14:20.680
because I think, like you said, we have to be careful sometimes of

835
01:14:20.760 --> 01:14:26.600
being too sure of ourselves when we're
not quite sure, we're quite don't necessarily

836
01:14:26.680 --> 01:14:32.199
know. Yeah, yeah, I
think he was referring to the intelligent design.

837
01:14:33.199 --> 01:14:38.840
But at the same time, throughout
his explanation, as he was saying

838
01:14:38.880 --> 01:14:42.600
where we are with the research on
DNA and things like that, he was

839
01:14:42.640 --> 01:14:45.279
still very open, like he didn't
want to. That's what I loved about

840
01:14:45.359 --> 01:14:49.760
him is that even though he's I
mean in a way, he's part of

841
01:14:49.760 --> 01:14:55.520
the traditional system, you know,
part of the university system and things like

842
01:14:55.560 --> 01:14:59.159
that. So even with what he
was saying, it's almost like at the

843
01:14:59.279 --> 01:15:01.960
end of everything, and he was
saying, but we should still keep the

844
01:15:02.000 --> 01:15:05.279
door open. It's possible that it
could be this as possible, which is

845
01:15:05.359 --> 01:15:12.479
quite unusual I would say, for
a typical professor from a university like that,

846
01:15:13.159 --> 01:15:15.079
right, and yeah, he was
awesome. Yeah, what's cool is

847
01:15:15.159 --> 01:15:19.479
as that's truly scientific, is that
you know, we can't he's doing the

848
01:15:19.479 --> 01:15:26.119
same thing. He's being careful not
to make assumptions, where so many scientists

849
01:15:26.119 --> 01:15:30.439
seem to do that, which I
think limits them because often in science,

850
01:15:30.520 --> 01:15:34.279
especially we see this in the space
science. All the time, the answers

851
01:15:34.319 --> 01:15:40.920
turn out to be something completely different
than they could have ever speculated. Absolutely

852
01:15:41.119 --> 01:15:45.119
in fact, that they keep fighting
about it. I remember the expending No

853
01:15:45.239 --> 01:15:49.960
it's retracting or yeah, I mean
collapsing, or no, we're not collapsing,

854
01:15:50.000 --> 01:15:53.880
and there's chaos, but there's no
chaos. I mean, it's like

855
01:15:54.560 --> 01:15:59.840
exactly exactly. So I did remember
that scientist's name, doctor Claude Swanson.

856
01:16:00.640 --> 01:16:02.960
Oh, yes, yeah, he's
great. He's done. He's done a

857
01:16:02.960 --> 01:16:06.279
couple of talks first, but he
does a lot of lecturing in all of

858
01:16:06.319 --> 01:16:11.880
the Chinese and Russian experiments that are
similar to what you're talking about. Uh,

859
01:16:12.079 --> 01:16:15.119
And he's similar to doctor Rudy Shield
where they're trying to figure out this

860
01:16:15.279 --> 01:16:21.800
these what these underlying you know,
energies are that would allow for all of

861
01:16:21.840 --> 01:16:27.560
this stuff we've been talking about.
Yeah. I did talk to doctor Swanson

862
01:16:27.720 --> 01:16:30.920
in fact in the beginning, you
know, I wanted him to also be

863
01:16:30.960 --> 01:16:34.479
involved in this, and then it
didn't work out somehow. But yeah,

864
01:16:34.520 --> 01:16:39.279
so he That's what I was saying
earlier. There have been a lot of

865
01:16:39.319 --> 01:16:45.479
experiments on that how the healing energy
does change the fabric of physical reality in

866
01:16:45.479 --> 01:16:50.399
one way or another. So so
there's there and he's one of those amazing

867
01:16:50.760 --> 01:16:55.640
scientists who did that work. But
like I said, so what the new

868
01:16:55.720 --> 01:17:02.000
element in the film is that DNA
sample experiments. That's really fascinating and we're

869
01:17:02.079 --> 01:17:08.560
hoping to continue that's the idea.
So it's very very exciting. So I

870
01:17:08.560 --> 01:17:13.479
guess my last question before we leave
is going to be about I know we've

871
01:17:13.560 --> 01:17:17.159
kind of gone over in time,
but time has flown by too quickly the

872
01:17:17.199 --> 01:17:23.439
title God among Us. I guess, what are your thoughts about that title?

873
01:17:24.359 --> 01:17:27.159
Well, actually, it's funny you
asked. I wrote a book called

874
01:17:27.159 --> 01:17:31.560
God's among Us and it was more
about the universal consciousness, that each being

875
01:17:31.920 --> 01:17:40.079
is consciousness, and then that enters
into what happens to be a human body

876
01:17:40.079 --> 01:17:43.479
today, but it could have been
in another body somewhere else, on some

877
01:17:43.520 --> 01:17:48.119
other planets, some other galaxy.
And how because it is all originally universal

878
01:17:48.159 --> 01:17:53.800
consciousness, then you know it has
that God element, but of course not

879
01:17:53.840 --> 01:17:58.640
in a religious religious sense at all. So because I have that book,

880
01:17:58.760 --> 01:18:01.720
I kind of wanted to build on
that, and of course with gods with

881
01:18:01.840 --> 01:18:09.000
an S makes it more of a
general term. And and and then I

882
01:18:09.079 --> 01:18:12.680
of course I added the science of
Contact because it is about science. Having

883
01:18:12.800 --> 01:18:18.199
said that, interestingly enough, interestingly
enough, the distributors are having a bit

884
01:18:18.199 --> 01:18:23.279
of a hard time with that title
because they don't want it to sound religious,

885
01:18:23.319 --> 01:18:27.199
which, of course, with the
words science, obviously it's not religious.

886
01:18:27.560 --> 01:18:30.399
But you know, it's one of
those things from a marketing or what

887
01:18:30.520 --> 01:18:34.039
have you, so for in certain
markets or maybe foreign markets or what have

888
01:18:34.199 --> 01:18:39.880
you, this may have a different
title. So that's what we're discussing right

889
01:18:39.920 --> 01:18:43.680
now. Well, I love that
definition you just gave. I could see

890
01:18:43.720 --> 01:18:46.560
their issue, but it reminds me
of the term nama stay, which which

891
01:18:46.600 --> 01:18:54.479
I love, which is and acknowledges
acknowledgement of that consciousness or divinity and everyone,

892
01:18:54.680 --> 01:18:59.479
and I just love that thought.
So yeah, exactly, Well,

893
01:18:59.760 --> 01:19:02.760
they thank you so much. Where
can people go to get more information about

894
01:19:02.800 --> 01:19:08.640
the film. The best thing to
do is just go to the website Gods

895
01:19:08.920 --> 01:19:13.479
among Us dot com and they can
see the updates. They can go to

896
01:19:13.520 --> 01:19:18.600
the events page and see where it's
showing all the conferences that we have coming

897
01:19:18.680 --> 01:19:23.880
up. But the next probably one
is going to be in New York May

898
01:19:23.920 --> 01:19:29.159
twenty eighth at a film festival,
and we're going to keep posting all these

899
01:19:29.199 --> 01:19:33.560
screenings on the website. So and
also they'll be able to watch it and

900
01:19:33.840 --> 01:19:40.399
order it from that website as well. So godsamong Us dot com is the

901
01:19:40.439 --> 01:19:43.479
place to go. Great, and
hopefully they'll be able to watch it and

902
01:19:43.560 --> 01:19:48.119
maybe potentially meet you at the UFO
Congress in February. Absolutely, I'm going

903
01:19:48.159 --> 01:19:53.520
to be in touch in the fall, right awesome, yes, perfect,

904
01:19:53.560 --> 01:19:57.119
Thank you so much for having me
this yeah, you're awesome. Oh well,

905
01:19:57.199 --> 01:19:59.239
thank you, thank you so much. It was it was a lot

906
01:19:59.239 --> 01:20:01.960
of fun for me to thank you. Thank you so much for having me.

907
01:20:02.319 --> 01:20:08.600
Thank you so much to Caroline for
being on the show. Really interesting

908
01:20:08.640 --> 01:20:15.680
stuff. I'm excited to see her
documentary. It sounds great. Like I

909
01:20:15.720 --> 01:20:19.439
said, Lee Spiegel loves it.
And you know Lee, Lee is like

910
01:20:19.520 --> 01:20:26.479
me. He's very careful. Credibility
is a very important thing to him.

911
01:20:27.079 --> 01:20:31.239
I think a lot of us are
that way, and that's what's great,

912
01:20:31.279 --> 01:20:35.560
you know, a lot of you
all. And I myself roll my eye

913
01:20:35.640 --> 01:20:42.439
when people invoke the quantum magical,
mystical. You know, quantum is the

914
01:20:42.479 --> 01:20:45.079
answer for this, and the quantum
is the answer for that, when people

915
01:20:45.159 --> 01:20:53.800
don't really understand what the heck quantum
is and what it means. But certainly

916
01:20:54.000 --> 01:20:59.159
scientists like the type that she got
in her film are the type of people

917
01:20:59.159 --> 01:21:06.359
who are qualified to speculate about quantum
physics and the subtle energies like they call

918
01:21:06.439 --> 01:21:13.039
them, that may be at play
when it comes to some of these mysterious

919
01:21:13.119 --> 01:21:16.359
things. I mean, if ghosts
are real, if telepathy is real,

920
01:21:16.439 --> 01:21:21.399
if some of these things are real, there are some mechanics that are working

921
01:21:21.520 --> 01:21:26.319
behind the scenes, and that's what
these people are trying to do. I

922
01:21:26.359 --> 01:21:30.960
mean a phenomena such as the ones
I just mentioned, those are less observed

923
01:21:31.640 --> 01:21:36.880
and you know, they're more debated. However, consciousness is a phenomena that

924
01:21:36.920 --> 01:21:42.920
we're aware of and we deal with
every day. We know there is such

925
01:21:43.000 --> 01:21:45.800
thing as consciousness, But where does
it come from, how does it work?

926
01:21:46.079 --> 01:21:53.199
We don't understand that. And it's
possible that the mechanics behind all of

927
01:21:53.239 --> 01:22:00.199
this are related to some of those
other phenomena that people observe but are so

928
01:22:00.520 --> 01:22:09.039
less common and considered supernatural that people
question their existence at all. But some

929
01:22:09.159 --> 01:22:11.840
of you are probably open, just
like me, to the ideas. I

930
01:22:11.880 --> 01:22:16.279
mean, I've never had I've certainly
had experiences that feel like their psychic phenomena.

931
01:22:16.359 --> 01:22:19.399
Whether or not they were who knows. There's something I can't prove.

932
01:22:19.479 --> 01:22:25.119
They could be coincidence. I don't
know. Otherwise, I haven't seen a

933
01:22:25.159 --> 01:22:30.680
ghost or experienced some of these other
phenomena that others have. But there are

934
01:22:30.800 --> 01:22:34.960
credible people reporting some incredible things.
And if these things are happening, there's

935
01:22:35.079 --> 01:22:40.279
something going on there. And it's
exciting to think that you know, there

936
01:22:40.359 --> 01:22:45.399
are bright minds, some smart thinkers
that some of the most important institutions out

937
01:22:45.439 --> 01:22:51.800
there thinking about this stuff and working
on these answers. And so Caroline's film

938
01:22:51.840 --> 01:22:56.720
being brave enough to kind of delve
into all of this make it. It's

939
01:22:56.840 --> 01:23:01.399
really exciting. It's great to have
resources like that. So I'm very excited

940
01:23:01.399 --> 01:23:09.239
about the film. You can go
to Remember godsamong Us dot com to read

941
01:23:09.279 --> 01:23:14.840
more about her film godsamong Us dot
com, so you'll see more there.

942
01:23:15.119 --> 01:23:21.479
Otherwise, I want to remind you
all, so we have speaking of abduction,

943
01:23:23.159 --> 01:23:27.359
the video from a Von Smith is
up on our video on demand,

944
01:23:27.399 --> 01:23:31.119
her lecture from the twenty seventeen UFO
Congress. We also have Richard Dolan up

945
01:23:31.159 --> 01:23:35.039
there and speaking of Phoenix Lights earlier
in the show, we have the Phoenix

946
01:23:35.119 --> 01:23:43.159
Lights presentation from James Fox. What
a cool guy. James Fox is so

947
01:23:43.960 --> 01:23:47.800
really good stuff. So please go
to the video on demand and subscribe,

948
01:23:47.840 --> 01:23:53.560
and we'll have some more video up
videos up shortly, So lots of twenty

949
01:23:53.560 --> 01:23:59.680
seventeen videos, but we've got over
one hundred videos now of some really really

950
01:23:59.680 --> 01:24:03.680
good lectures, including that one from
doctor Cloud Swanson. I was talking about

951
01:24:04.239 --> 01:24:08.840
about these topics that we talked about
here. So if you love these topics,

952
01:24:09.079 --> 01:24:13.279
you'll definitely want to go watch this
lecture from doctor clod Swanson that you

953
01:24:13.279 --> 01:24:16.399
can find at the open Minds Video
portal. Of course, just go to

954
01:24:16.439 --> 01:24:20.600
openminds dot tv to see that.
You'll also find the stories we were talking

955
01:24:20.600 --> 01:24:26.960
about, so the Shag Harbor story, the story about the British mod files,

956
01:24:27.359 --> 01:24:32.880
and if it's Tuesday when you're listening
to this, you know we'll have

957
01:24:33.079 --> 01:24:36.800
up, or if you're listening today, you know later we'll have up tomorrow.

958
01:24:36.960 --> 01:24:41.199
So Tuesday, the twenty third,
we'll have up this story about Kurt

959
01:24:41.279 --> 01:24:46.079
Russell seeing the Phoenix lights. How
cool is that? So really cool stuff

960
01:24:46.199 --> 01:24:51.960
at openminds dot tv. And we
also on the I want you to tell

961
01:24:53.000 --> 01:24:56.279
people the UFO Congress website. If
you go to UFO Congress dot com,

962
01:24:56.520 --> 01:25:00.279
you'll see the dates, what is
it, February fourteenth to the eighteenth for

963
01:25:00.319 --> 01:25:03.479
the next conference. Everything else on
the website is TVD so you're not going

964
01:25:03.520 --> 01:25:09.680
to see much else. However,
in the next month June is really when

965
01:25:09.720 --> 01:25:14.760
we kickstart things. We'll start to
list speakers and we'll open up registration and

966
01:25:14.840 --> 01:25:19.680
all of that good stuff, so
it will begin in June, so next

967
01:25:19.680 --> 01:25:25.680
month we'll start to get some more
information up at ufocongress dot com. I

968
01:25:25.760 --> 01:25:31.600
know it's going to be another very
exciting event and Martin Crazy Martin, our

969
01:25:31.640 --> 01:25:35.680
news guy, will be there.
So speaking of Martin, I want to

970
01:25:35.680 --> 01:25:40.039
say thank you to Martin for joining
us at with the news at the beginning

971
01:25:40.039 --> 01:25:44.439
of the show. Also, thank
you to Caleb Hanks for the wonderful open

972
01:25:44.640 --> 01:25:48.319
and close music. You could go
to the UFO radio page at Openminds dot

973
01:25:48.359 --> 01:25:55.079
tv to read and get a link
to get more of Caleb's work there.

974
01:25:55.199 --> 01:26:00.159
He does some really cool stuff.
And finally, I want to thank you

975
01:26:00.279 --> 01:26:04.239
all the listeners for being here once
again. Thank you so much. We'll

976
01:26:04.239 --> 01:26:58.000
have another great show next week.
Until then, Adios, mood Tuttles your

977
01:26:58.039 --> 01:27:00.680
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