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You're listening to the Paranormal UK Radio
Network and now it's time for the Paranormal

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Peep Show. Hi folks, you're
listening to the Parallel Peep Show with myself,

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Andy Chaplin and Neil Ward. Tail's
things. Neil, well, I'm

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very well, thank you Andy,
I nearly said Ben. But that's because

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we've had last time show. Yeah, yeah, you're get in there.

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When you're going, it's almost like
the Blues Brothers again together. Yeah,

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the Twins. But yeah, I've
been invited to attend a Druid ceremony in

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Stonehenge in the middle of the month. The well, not quite. It's

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the fifteenth of June, and so
this is the Druids of Dorset. I

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think they've got a special name,
but I con'trad like that. Yeah,

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it's not actually not as long as
it's the equinox. I was thinking of

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maybe maybe I never know when these
things happen. I shouldn't do really.

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But so basically, the guy that
bay hand fasting cake, he's a baker

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by trade, but he's also a
druid and he pops around from time to

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time with three loads of bread because
he's a baker, which is rather nice

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or handmade and whatnot. And he
said, would you like to come to

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Stonehenge? My wife and I to
go and have a Druid blessing a Stonehenge.

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And so basically it involves us all
going off the Stonehenge about eighty people.

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And we said, well, we
have to pay to get and he

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says, no, it's all free. They do it with English heritage.

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And because the Druids they get in
free. Must be some religious arrangement,

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I guess. And everyone's got to
dress up in sort of druidy clothes now,

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because we had a hand faster where
we dressed in kind of esterial Lord

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of the Rings inspired clothing. We're
going to wear that and hopefully that will

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be because I haven't really got an
off the shelf druid outfit, but we're

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going to have to drink it.
Less have been to druids on us then,

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obviously not really. No, I
don't shot there enough. Really.

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I know they did some good bargains, you know, they'll start some ones

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and stuff. Yeah, we're having
a Druid blessing. I don't know quite

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what that entails, but it sounds
interesting. But we'll be amongst the stones

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we're not allowed to climb on them
or touch them or anything like that.

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And the last time I was allowed
to go into the stones was about thirty

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plus years ago as part of the
paging group then that I used to help

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them, and and you can.
This is the thing that a lot of

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people know about, so it might
be worth it if you're watching. Not

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a lot of people know this that
if you get a group of I think

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it's like twenty five people around that
amount of people or more, you can

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contact English Heritage and say I'd like
to book a private religious ceremony something like

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that at Stonehenge, and they have
to do that by some sort of law.

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So you either go at eight o'clock
in the morning before it's open to

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the public, or six pm when
it's shut to the public. But for

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some reason, our blessing with the
Druids is at like midday or one o'clock.

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I can't understand how that's happened,
but that's what's happening. So that's

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something we're looking forward to. So
yeah, a units to their English Heritage.

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I get a come down with twenty
five of Barbaites and they had a

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nice little cocktail party, all right, it's a religious cocktail party, but

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a cocktail party. Go do this, all right, And when you go

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into the stones, if you ever
get the opportunity to go amongst the stones,

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if you look closely at the base
of them, you'll see bits of

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them being held up by concrete.
That's because so maybe one hundred and fifty

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two hundred years ago, maybe even
for the match, the local vicar gave

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the local people permission to chip bits
of the stone away to use in their

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houses, you know, to help
eld their own home. Why did you

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do that? That's insane. I
know, it's insane, isn't it.

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It's obviously wasn't protected then. They
but even back then the stones were actually

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all fallen down. It was only
English heritage and like nineteen hundred and twenty

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nineteen fifteen oconomies at yet they actually
I think they tried to do it twice.

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Now that you erect the stones and
there's actually photographs you've gone search online

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of them erecting the stones again.
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the nicety fifties that she took them
away to clean them. Did they really?

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Yeah, Niki, because a lot
of people date that because the idea

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is that people thought that the stones
were exactly how they were, you know,

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for hundreds or thousands of years whenever
it is. But no, not

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really, they were taken away.
They were cleaning in the nineteen half and

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then taken back and plump back a
big car wash or something. Yeah,

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on a flatbed truck. I've got
my cat then now then yeah, Now

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that's interesting because I met Mark and
irone of the Parallel UK radio network,

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they're the people that run the station, and I met them a pub at

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the just outside stone Nge. I
met Mark irone for a drink after their

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visit to Stonehenge. Mark had a
visit there and we started talking about Avebury,

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which is another famous stone circle also
in the area, about twenty miles

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away. And again a lot of
those stones were flattened and they resurrected them

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and pulled them back up. And
why one of them when they brought it

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up, they found a skeleton of
what they thought was of the Linch barber

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because they found him in a leather
apron and they found like a pair of

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glasses and also an old razor in
his leather pouch or something. I mean

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obviously meant that when he was crushed
because they tried to lift these stones in

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the Middle Ages and this stone fell
on him, and so they didn't have

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a barber for a few years.
So no one had a haircut for a

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few years in Avebury around the fifteen
hundreds. But it's very interesting, very

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interesting what you've been up to anyway, What have I been up to?

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Mostly work? So we're trying out
psychic suppers now I can't yeah, if

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I mentioned that, because I missed
the last couple of times I was on

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here for various reasons out and about. So yes, tune in events.

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If people want to go to tune
events on Facebook or Instagram or YouTube,

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you'll find us. So he started
off doing one to ones many many years

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ago. That was okay, then
drifted into kind of one to one with

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group sessions, and now we're doing
one to one with group sessions and the

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psychic sup with it as well as
the people can eat their food and they

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can have readings at the same time. That's going quite well. That's going

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years. It's beginning to pick up
quite nicely. And yeah, eventually I'd

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quite like to do kind of audience
based things with like big audiences in theaters

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and stuff like that kind of Tony
Stockwell style. So if there's any big

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promoters or agents out there that are
looking for mediums and clevoidance to go out

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and do fun things, I are
available. Contact the show. I feel

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like you could probably higher diesels,
you know, but they probably want a

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massive depositors on the line. Yeah, it seems it seems to be Neil

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that you can only really get the
theater gigs if you've done TV work or

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your famous like this. It's kind
of like if you manage to get a

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TV slot in some way, like
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c like it. Colin Frye had
sixth sense, Derek Acre had predictions.

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If you get your foot in the
door, that seems springboard, you you

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know, to the to the bigger
theaters and stuff, and you know,

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by that time you're laughing. I've
done Midsummer Murders, but it's not really

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kind of the psychic work. Doing
the psychic work. It's kind of background

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stuff. So I don't know.
I almost almost ended up doing something for

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what was it, something boys?
It's a YouTube group, I come remember

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what they were called. So I
almost got that gig. But I was

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undercut by something who would do it, which needs to be the way these

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days. So yeah, that was
that was That was an almost but I

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don't know, there might be other
stuff that's coming on. He was compelled.

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Yeah, there was a really good
meeting we saw about three months ago

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down in Weymouth and he used like
a working men's club a bit. It

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was packed out and he was really
good. This guy, I never heard

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of him before. Jane's something other
and you know, he was taught to

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this girl and he said, I
know that you've got a tattoo and she

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goes yeah, and he says,
and you've got ashes of your father mixed

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into the tattoo and she goes,
yeah, that's right, and you can't

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absolutely absolute. And then on the
same table he said to the lady,

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and you've got a yellow snake,
haven't you. Yeah he goes, yeah,

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that's right. You know, absolutely
specific stuff you could not. Yeah,

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there's none of this sort of cold
reading blarkey with it. It means

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absolutely bang on you. And I
have a rebuke from people who kind of

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say, oh, it's just researchers
going on to YouTube, you know,

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social media or stuff and kind of
researching people, and you know, can

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you imagine the logistics of that.
So, say you've got like two hundred

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people coming to an event, how
many people, how much information and how

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many people's information would you have to
memorize then and then kind of like go

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up and stage and remember it to
the right people. And then what happens

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if the person that you've whose information
that you've memorized doesn't turn up for whatever

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reason? Yeah, you spent an
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it would have to be like a
learning a script. You'd have to because

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you can't just like look at it
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for like a movie. You'd have
to kind of memory go over, don't

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get it wrong. You have to
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to with the information. The logistics
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I'm not saying that, you know, Victorian Charlatan's didn't do that, but

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I could tell you that we don't
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got time, and I can't be
bothered. Yeah that's right, you're too

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busy putting the posters up. Yeah, time to rid your lines and yeah,

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yeah, I've come to the conclusion
actually that with doing my events,

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I seem to be too much of
a manager. I'm too much organizing it

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and trying to sell tickets and trying
to organize readers and stuff like that,

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and I've kind of slipped away from
actually doing it, and I need to

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be doing it, So I kind
of need I kind of like need like

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an agent or somebody to kind of
like say, we'll take care of all

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the marketing and ticket sales. You
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So anyway, Yeah, a little
shout out to anyone who help with that.

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Yeah, nice little job there for
anybody. Probably get a free reading

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from Anda and his college. But
yeah, that reminds me a bit of

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the the Dondalston Dondalston what was it, Dondalston Computer writings of the Medieval times.

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I was a guy in Doddleston,
which is on the Welsh border,

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back in the eighties, and I've
written about this in my book. And

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he was a teacher and he brought
an early BBC micro computer a to learn

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it so he could then teach the
kids it. And also there was someone

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in his house that was trying to
write comedy scripts for the BBC to get

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a green card, And so she
was having her first attempt at like writing

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scripts on her first ever word processor
in about nineteen eighty four, and they

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started weirdly to get strange messages coming
through on it that appeared to be coming

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from a guy from around the time
of Henry the Eighth called Lucas, and

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he was writing in this sort of
what they called early Modern English, not

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Old English, early modern English.
That he was using dust thou haw a

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horse and stuff like that, right, and all that sort of stuff.

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And this guy was accused of making
up even though there was having poltergeist activity

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around the whole thing, like chairs
moving and getting stacked up in one corner,

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and tins of cap who getting stacked
up one on the other. This

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guy was a qus of somehow making
it up and doing it through an early

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type of internet. When he said
there was no internet around nineteen eighty four.

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And he said, and even if
I had a kind of a modem,

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a dial up modem, and the
person that was also messaged in me

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had a dial up modem him alone, he said, he estimated in today's

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costs, it would cost him about
eighty seven thousand outs in dialuct costs,

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and he said, why would I
go such an expense for a hoax?

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You know? I think that was
on a strange but true, wasn't it,

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Neil? That's right, yeah,
or fascinating one of those shows.

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One of those shows. I think
it was the Carol Warderman one, which

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is her version of it, and
that's where I first heard of it in

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the nineties. But yeah, the
Dondalson messages in a book called The Vertu

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the Vertical Plane. I think it's
called Who Have It Here? Yeah,

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for anyone that's interested the Vertical Play, very very good book, worth a

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read if anyone's into that sort of
stuff. Anyway, I think it's about

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time we brought our guest on.
Yeah, so welcome once more to a

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returning guest to the Paranormal Peak show. We last had him one of that

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a year ago, I think is
mister Robert Holst. Hello Robert, Hello,

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Hello guys, Hello, welcome back, Robert, and good to see

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you, and how are you?
Very very well? Thank you. I'm

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a keen Crown Green bowler these days. I joined a club last year the

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beginning of last year, and these
days I'm playing about four matches a week.

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For the club. Wow, so
I'm quite busy today. I've had

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a day off. I played a
match last night and managed to win twenty

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one fourteen. I've got two matches
on Thursday and another match on Friday.

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So it's a great game and I
highly recommend it to anyone who is,

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you know, looking for a sporting
activity that's not too strenuous, but will

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will keep them fit and will we'll
find a lot of new friends for them.

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Yeah, if that's what they're looking
for. It's a great, great

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game and and a lot of friendly
people. You know. If if anybody

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is thinking of taking up Crown Green
bowling, just go down to the nearest

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club and you'll find they will be
very welcoming and they'll be helpful, and

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it's not expensive, and uh yeah, it's the best thing I've done.

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Did you have to bring your own
bowling ball? So not not, Well,

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you don't have to know. The
club will usually have a few sets

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of balls which they will lend to
you too for you to have a go.

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And and then in time you'll decide
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weight of ball, and then you'll
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can buy some can hand ones,
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like that. You might even pick
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bought a new pair and a new
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one hundred and forty hundred and fifty
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that's it, that's all your expenses. That's the lot, you know,

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I mean bowling. And if that
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does help. I was introduced to
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joined our club and he'd he'd played
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crown green bowling. So I was
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take him out and and give him
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show him, show him the ropes. And he was bloody brilliant. Yeah,

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and I found out later that he
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this guy. Oh wow. So
so you know, I've played against people

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who are ninety so so it's a
great game for keeping people young at heart

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and healthy. So yeah, but
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that's what I've been doing. And
talking of greeens, have you ever had

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any crop circles on your bowling broom. Are they fron No, My goodness.

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We're have enough trouble with the pigeons, you know, and the geese

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flying over the Canada, geese flying
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us, you know, like picks
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like North Korea dropping ship over people
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you heard this? But the latest
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making this up. I'm not.
This is this is actually happening. North

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Korea got seven hundred balloons, filled
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manure, and they drifted them over
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Dear, old, dear. So
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a kind of a you know,
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sort of thing that in America they
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set them both four or five balloons
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yeah, that's all. You don't
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hope the wind will take them out
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love it. Fantastic. So the
reason I got back in contact with you,

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Robert is that I've been writing this
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through various chapters, and one of
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mysteries of crop circles, because it's
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this this, and I thought,
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that there's probably evidence that they go
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medieval times as references to them,
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Yea, even in the nineteen twenties
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but by far in large, they
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probably into the populous mind as such, in the seventies and eighties,

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and he certainly got big in the
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rewatch some of the old rich Planet
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It's cool. Yeah, yeah,
I forgot the guy's name, rich

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Yeah, Richard, that's it.
Yeah. Yeah. Currently going through a

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court case of the moment, which
is what we discussed in our last episode

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where he's being sued. I suppose
is this the correct terminology you're taking the

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course? I don't know quite how
they're playing it actually done to harassment or

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something like that against supposedly someone from
this Manchester bombing or something like that,

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you know, And he's not allowed
to present his own case for defense,

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which is a bit bizarre, you
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but you can't disnger this. This
this needs to be the case with

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the communists. I mean, let's
let's not big around the bush. We

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have a globalist communist coup. The
same thing happened with Trump. Trump allowed

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to present his own evidence. Yes, something happened with Alex Jones. He

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was not allowed to present his own
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is a communist court. Did you
know in China you're not allowed Actually you

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are allowed a lawyer if you can
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lawyer, you have to represent yourself. One is not provided by the state,

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So you have to go in and
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the state can make up any rules
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And that's what we've got now here. And in America. Yeah,

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it's afraid, absolutely crazy, but
it's going to backfire on them in America

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big time. I think. I
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it thirty million in dull Nations or
something? I heard it was forty million

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and the website crashed. Yeah,
absolutely, And I think I think it's

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popular popularity went up about six points
on the something, didn't it. Yeah.

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The thing is the communists they don't
understand that by doing by doing this,

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they think that they're getting rid of
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opposite is happening. The opposite is
happening, and he is. He is

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going to have a landslide. Some
people being predicted he might be taken out

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by the deep state, which is
highly possible. Well, I'm sure they're

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trying. Yeah, I'm pretty sure
they'll try it. They'll try to take

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her out if he gets in Now, this would be bizarre if they do

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manage to put him in prison.
Can you imagine him running like an election

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campaign and then winning the presidency whilst
in prison because sadly, there's no law

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saying that a felon can't Yeah,
yeah, and then he could. Then

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he could pardon himself, couldn't he? And then this is this is the

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beautiful part. And I hope this
happens he's publicly stated on a video that

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he is going to remove the communists
and the deep state shills. I hope

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he does. My feeling is,
although he's not perfect, and he's a

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buffoon and he says stupid things,
we all know that. But he had

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he had four years to remove the
communists and the deep state, he could

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have done it. And he didn't
really do it. But I don't think

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he quite realized the gravity of the
situation. I think he does now,

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and I hope he goes for them
legally because I don't want internment camps and

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you know, people being plagged around
the middle of the night, because that's

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why the guestar Poe, the KGB
and the stars you do. But they

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do need to be held before a
court, and if they're found guilty for

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various crimes, then well justice needs
to be served on the deep state and

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the communists. I think just going
back to his first term in office,

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I think he did actually very well, considering he was surrounded by traders in

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Old Lighthouse. Yeah, so,
so they were doing everything they possibly could

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to stop him from achieving what he
was setting out to do. So anyway,

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talking of traitors, talking of traitors. All the various doctors and experts

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told us about one hundred and I've
seen the videos Neil and Robert. I've

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seen the videos recently of the TV
doctors like Doctor Hillary and all those.

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Oh yeah, talk about one hundred
percent effective jabs. Well, Neil showed

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be something from the Telegraph. Yeah, I've sent it to Rob and that's

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what held me later. Robert,
Oh yeah, yeah, as maybe to

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blame for an increase in excess deaths. Well, no shit, kid,

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be four years to work that one
out. Did you know that? Did

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you know that the pope is Catholic
and that is I don't know if you've

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heard this before, they shit in
the woods. Yeah, yeah, we

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all know what's been going on,
don't we. Uh, well, some

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others do. Anyway, all these
baffled doctors. Isn't it baffling? The

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death? People die? And the
thing is, it's like it's a mixture

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of tragic and funny because I know
people personally affected by this. I know

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people who've had relatives die after getting
the JAB, and I've got family members

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with heart problems and Parkinson's after Yah. Yeah, I know somebody who had

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three step brothers have hearken nditions after
the jabs unexpectedly baffled doctors. This is

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where this is where Trump needs to
go after them. We need to go

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after the AstraZeneca have pulled their jab, fires pulled their jab. Don't talk

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to me about safe and effective.
It's all these companies to account. Yeah,

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totally agree, totally agree. Yeah
So anyway, yeah, yeah,

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so back to Ridge of d Hall
then where all we go? Yeah?

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So I was watching you and Davey
Kate and On Richard talking about your crop

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circle research, which was very refreshing. And there's another chap. You probably

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knew him. He's now passed away. I think Roy Dutton. He was

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mentioned in the in the program Oh
evidence, There we go, a circular

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evidence, this particul I've got about
what I got this is I've got five

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copies of this book. I've collected
them like a I don't know hamster,

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but this one is my favorite.
They're all identical except that this one was

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given to Roy Dunton, Wow,
who was a very dear friend of mine.

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Yes, And in there in the
front there it says to Roy with

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very best wishes, Pat Delgado and
then to Roy best wishes Busty Taylor,

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you know who who did all the
aerial photography. I'm sure bust is a

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wonderful person, but I can't get
the mental image of a porn star and

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on the sort of circles. And
Colin said, great to work with you,

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Roy regards Colin, And that was
signed June first, nineteen ninety.

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Wow. So so that's you know
that it's a kind of treasured possession of

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them. Yeah, has he got
the devil in there, Robert? Because

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I don't know if I told you
this before, but the very first recorded

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crop circle was actually a medieval illustration. Yeah. It's a wood built isn't

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it. Yeah, Yeah, that's
it. And they didn't attribute it to

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grays or UFOs or anything like that. And you know, anything paranorl back

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then or with the devil did it. And so they got this depiction of

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a perfectly mode in wheat circle mode
by the devil. That's actually near me.

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It's a town or a village called
Walkan near me. This deep right,

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Yeah. I have a lot of
skeptics I read into that, and

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it's still interest I still find that
fascinating. A lot of skeptics will point

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to that and say, oh,
no, it's not a crop circle because

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it's mode grass. It's actually cut
grass, whereas a crop circle is flat

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and grass. This is where they
like to split airs. You see.

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Well, you know, yeah,
we interpreted, yeah, I and that's

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quite true that genuinely crop circles are
not mode. But just maybe that was

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maybe that was some sort of license. Yeah, exactly, Yeah, that's

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true creative thinking on the part of
the devil. Yeah. And of course

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I've got various other books. Of
course, Vital Signs by Andy Thomas.

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I know Andy quite well, we've
interviewed Andy here, have you. Yeah,

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Yeah, this particular one crop circles. What does that say in the

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crop circle enigma? That must keep
up from the eighties. Well, and

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this one is edited by Ralph Nois. Now, well, Ralph Noise was

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a government secret service guy, and
so he was we think he was monitoring

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the crop circle scene for the government. But at the same time he was

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an insider. I think he was
a member of the Center for Crop Circle

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Research, you know, the c
c C. And uh so, so

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he's tried to sort of point to
some things as if it's you know,

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it can be explained by science,
you know, I wonder why the government

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would have an interesting in crop circles. It was like like a like a

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terrorist conspiracy or I don't know why
why would they why the government had any

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interesting crop circles? No. Well, in in the uh the interview that

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David Catan and I Android Dutton did
for Richard D. Hall for his crop

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Circles, the Hidden Truth, I
specifically that the government knows all about the

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crop circles and knows their importance as
well, and I say a bit more

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about it and talk about perhaps the
CIA being involved and all kinds of things

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like that, and that was picked
up by the WI Files. I don't

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whether you know the WI Files w
h Y WI Files. Well, it's

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they're incredibly popular. And that interview
which was which we did for Richard D.

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Hall was included in that episode of
the WI Files Crop Circles and the

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CIA cover up, I think,
or something like that. It's good.

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Well, you know, I'm featured
quite strongly towards the end of that episode

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and it's now had five point four
million views. Wow. Yeah, So

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I suppose I'm quite well known and
certainly quite well known by the by the

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authorities. That that is for sure. Have you ever any brushes with any

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with any men in black or kind
of spooky types, not men in black?

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It's oh, CRII like you now, it's it's it's probably about five

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years ago. Now, I was
down in Wiltshire and i was in the

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Pusey Veil and I've I've learned where
there are secret underground alien bases, and

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I know where the entrances are to
a couple of them. Okay, And

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I've filmed the craft going in and
out. Wow. Okay. So I

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was down there in this particular location, just by the roadside, and I

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was filming this cops of wood,
a little small wood where I've actually seen

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with physically seeing the craft go down
into the wood in a certain place.

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And I've also filmed the craft coming
over and going shooting down into the base

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and actually coming out as well.
Now I've done that about five years ago

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and maybe seven years ago. Now
I've got plenty of film like that.

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Are these name military bases? No? No, No, they're not.

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Do you do you suspect I mean, this is speculation. Do you suspect

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that the government is well aware or
even worse, working with them, or

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do you think this is like these
alien bases are completely unknown and they're just

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doing their own thing and you just
happen to catch it. Or No,

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they're not completely unknown. The government
knows exactly where they are and they monitor

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them at all times. And I
think this is how they realized that I

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was actually there filming to all intents
and purposes. You know. You know,

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all I was doing was filming the
scenery the countryside, because you're just

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in the middle of fields and woodland
and hills, you know, in the

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Pusey Vale. But I'd not been
filming the location very long, perhaps about

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ten minutes course of an hour something
like that, when this lady drove up

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in a in an old fiesta I
think it was for fiesta with her dog,

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and she pulled in right at the
side of where I was, and

406
00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:15,000
she got out the car, and
she was very, very curious about what

407
00:32:15,079 --> 00:32:22,000
I was doing, and uh,
it was it was quite obvious she was

408
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:28,359
trying to stop me from actually doing
what I was doing. Quite obvious she

409
00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:34,480
knew what I was doing. And
I told her, you know, I'm

410
00:32:34,519 --> 00:32:38,319
just filming the wildlife and the beautiful
scenery, you know, lying through my

411
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:45,960
teeth of course, But and and
then she went on to tell me that

412
00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:54,759
her husband was in the British Secret
Service. Where did that come from?

413
00:32:55,519 --> 00:33:04,720
And her son still was in the
British Secret Service. I don't know,

414
00:33:04,839 --> 00:33:07,519
M I five or whatever? Am
I six? I don't have no idea

415
00:33:07,599 --> 00:33:12,920
what. But she was very specific
about this, and this was this was

416
00:33:13,319 --> 00:33:19,079
to frighten me because obviously she knew
what I was doing, although she could

417
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:22,920
how could she possibly know what I
was doing? The only way she would

418
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:27,720
know is if she was in on
the whole secret if you like. And

419
00:33:27,759 --> 00:33:34,200
it's quite it's quite clear that they
must have hidden cameras in that location which

420
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:43,799
alert them if anybody, you know, is really cottoning on to where where

421
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:51,480
it is, you know what's going
on there. And so after a while

422
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:57,000
she kind of gave up and drove
off down the road, and I thought

423
00:33:57,240 --> 00:34:06,720
something not right about this here,
So very quickly I bundled my big tripod

424
00:34:06,759 --> 00:34:12,360
and camcorder into the back of my
estate car and I drove off back down

425
00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:22,119
the road in the opposite direction towards
Alton Barnes. And I just got down

426
00:34:22,159 --> 00:34:28,000
to the Tea junction and I've just
come up to the T junction and a

427
00:34:28,039 --> 00:34:34,079
police van, a big van,
came round the corner and headed off in

428
00:34:34,119 --> 00:34:38,559
the direction of where I had been. Now, you know, I've spent

429
00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:44,360
I don't know, months and months
and months down in Wiltshire in that location

430
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:49,440
over many years, and you simply
don't see police there. It's bloody,

431
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:53,639
it's fields, that's all it is, you know. And it was quite

432
00:34:53,719 --> 00:35:00,920
clear that he was there to try
to, you know, question me and

433
00:35:00,159 --> 00:35:06,639
maybe even arrest me for whatever.
I don't know. And so but as

434
00:35:06,639 --> 00:35:08,639
he came around the corner, I
went off, and I went off up

435
00:35:08,639 --> 00:35:15,800
the hill and I went to another
location where I know there's another base entrance

436
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:22,559
and this isn't This also is in
a wood. I'm not going to divals

437
00:35:22,639 --> 00:35:30,519
the name of the place because you
know, you know, what good would

438
00:35:30,559 --> 00:35:34,320
it do. You know, you
just have to take my word for it

439
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:40,599
that this is real. And so
I went and I parked up this track

440
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:47,360
by the entrance to this huge wood, which is a Forestry Commission wood,

441
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:54,159
and I went through the fence and
into the field, set my tripod up

442
00:35:54,719 --> 00:36:01,719
and I started filming where I know
the base entrance because again I've seen them

443
00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:09,920
coming in and going out from there
too, and I've been filming for about

444
00:36:10,039 --> 00:36:15,679
maybe I don't know, ten minutes, maybe something like that, when all

445
00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:24,639
of a sudden I heard the sound
of rotor blades. And because I've been

446
00:36:24,679 --> 00:36:30,119
down there a lot, I recognized
the sound as being the sound of an

447
00:36:30,159 --> 00:36:38,920
Apache Attack helicopter that was. And
it came over the wood where you know,

448
00:36:39,119 --> 00:36:43,679
just to the side of where I
was filming, and came down into

449
00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:50,199
the field on the other side of
the track, and I bet it must

450
00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:53,960
have been no more than about forty
feet off the ground. Okay. It

451
00:36:54,039 --> 00:37:00,440
came down into the field very very
slowly. Then it came round kind to

452
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:07,360
me and hovered and I could see
the pilot looking through the trees at me

453
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:17,760
in the field. So quite obviously
that the whole thing is. I've got

454
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:21,480
him on film. I've got I've
got the whole thing on film, And

455
00:37:21,519 --> 00:37:23,639
I must say it was it was
a bit scary, you know, when

456
00:37:23,639 --> 00:37:28,039
you're out there on your own you've
got one of these things, you know,

457
00:37:28,519 --> 00:37:30,800
Yeah, the the rotor blade sound
of a patches. Because I've had

458
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:34,000
this as well, I know,
yeah, what you're talking about. Yeah,

459
00:37:34,079 --> 00:37:37,719
it seems like it's it's it's faster
than like a regular helicopter or police

460
00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:42,400
helicopter. Like it's it sounds like
super fast rotor blades and they seem to

461
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:45,960
be louder as well. It's a
it's a it's different sound altogether, isn't

462
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:52,719
it. And and so so I
filmed him and then and then he and

463
00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:55,519
then he flew off up the field
and I thought, I'm going to get

464
00:37:55,519 --> 00:38:00,639
out of here. But obviously,
but obviously my car was in the was

465
00:38:00,679 --> 00:38:04,239
in the in the in the in
the in the track sort of thing going

466
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:09,199
to the wood. And you know, he'd obviously see my registration number of

467
00:38:09,199 --> 00:38:15,159
my car, so he would know
exactly who I was. And and of

468
00:38:15,199 --> 00:38:17,920
course they've known who I am for
for years. I mean my phone used

469
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:23,599
to be tapped twenty years ago when
I was talking to Roy Dutton and he

470
00:38:23,679 --> 00:38:27,920
was talking to Nick Pope when he
was working at the m O D.

471
00:38:29,079 --> 00:38:32,920
You know, so it's not it's
nothing new to me, but I must

472
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:37,559
say that it has it has put
me off going down a bit, at

473
00:38:37,639 --> 00:38:44,079
least on my own to that area, because you know, it's obviously a

474
00:38:44,199 --> 00:38:55,239
very serious matter. And the the
people, all the crop circle devotees and

475
00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:02,159
yes, the summer, the crop
circles are real, no question about it.

476
00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:07,559
And I've been in some real ones. The majority are not, you

477
00:39:07,559 --> 00:39:09,559
know, most of them are man
made, but that doesn't matter. It's

478
00:39:09,599 --> 00:39:15,400
only the real ones that were interested
in And who do you think of doing

479
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:22,960
the men made one? Well,
that's a mixture of people in you know,

480
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:28,880
early late nineties, early two thousands
that the best ones were made by

481
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:36,800
a group that call themselves Team Satan. And you know that was John Lumberg

482
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:43,199
and a few others, not Bill
Gates. Oh no, no, no,

483
00:39:43,199 --> 00:39:50,840
no no. And and and David
and I, David Caitane and I

484
00:39:51,199 --> 00:39:57,280
were absolutely convinced that they were.
And and Richard D. Hall because he

485
00:39:57,320 --> 00:40:01,719
did a lot of research into that
they were being funded by the Secret Service.

486
00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:07,480
And they did some cracking good crop
circles. And the purpose of them

487
00:40:07,599 --> 00:40:13,679
was to throw sand in our eyes, to make it difficult for people to

488
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:22,800
recognize which were the genuine ones and
which weren't. And and they succeeded with

489
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:27,719
a lot of researchers, because a
lot of researchers were not very good,

490
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:34,519
to be perfectly frank. And you
know, and and I must say that

491
00:40:34,599 --> 00:40:39,440
when we first started, David and
I in the late nineties, you know,

492
00:40:39,559 --> 00:40:46,000
we were hopeful that we were going
to find genuine crop circles everywhere,

493
00:40:46,079 --> 00:40:52,920
you know, and we were disappointed
when we found that most of them weren't

494
00:40:52,920 --> 00:41:00,280
man made. So you had this
Lumberg and Co. With the government backing

495
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:08,000
making the really good fake crop circles, while it's two others as well,

496
00:41:08,679 --> 00:41:16,719
probably with the with the same intention. But then you also have people who

497
00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:25,519
are basically artists, you know,
who are doing a painting in the field

498
00:41:25,599 --> 00:41:30,960
if you like, you know.
But but when you've been studying it for

499
00:41:31,079 --> 00:41:36,639
long enough, when you've been in
enough crop circles like I have and David

500
00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:43,199
has, you can recognize a genuine
one within five minutes, you know.

501
00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:47,440
I mean sometimes I can tell within
a few seconds, but there are there

502
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:52,119
are telltale signs. Yeah. Was
there a group that was challenged to do

503
00:41:52,639 --> 00:41:55,119
a crop cycle overnight and they did
it, but it took far longer than

504
00:41:55,159 --> 00:42:00,519
they're expecting, and it looked hideous. It was like really unkempt and metrical.

505
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:06,920
Oh yeah, I mean the genuine
ones are absolutely wonderful things that they

506
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:15,719
are like a perfect painting, if
you like. There are no mistakes because

507
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:22,400
it's created by energy that that's obviously
like computer generated in some way, and

508
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:30,000
and all all the all the arcs
in the circle are perfectly even. There's

509
00:42:30,039 --> 00:42:34,360
no there's no you know. You
we'll go around a bit here and then

510
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:37,199
oh we've we've gone a bit too
far there, so we've got to cut

511
00:42:37,199 --> 00:42:40,320
across as an angle, yeah,
you know, which you find in quite

512
00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:46,320
a lot of the man made ones, you know. Yeah, a lot

513
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:50,840
of people did it for fun.
I mean, I've got to I've had

514
00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:53,639
on here. Yeah, I'm going
a second. I forgot about this,

515
00:42:54,239 --> 00:43:00,480
yeah, wow, true, sure, Yeah, the Jan John Jan Bloomberg

516
00:43:00,599 --> 00:43:05,840
guy. He runs a website called
circlemakers dot org. I think it is

517
00:43:06,199 --> 00:43:10,840
I was looking at and they do
have alleged musty alleged links to m I

518
00:43:12,039 --> 00:43:16,199
five because he trained the school just
slayd Apart, which is literally next door

519
00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:22,039
is line five? Interesting? Yeah, I don't know whether you can.

520
00:43:22,599 --> 00:43:23,800
Well, I think, well,
I'll try and get it in the shot

521
00:43:24,159 --> 00:43:31,800
without killing himself, without killing himself. But this is it? Is it

522
00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:36,840
Doug and Dave's plank? No,
it isn't. It isn't. Actually it's

523
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:38,480
not signed by them, is it? No? No? No, But

524
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:43,920
I mean this is a This is
a big thing, you know, and

525
00:43:44,039 --> 00:43:47,119
whether you can see the length of
the darn thing that's a floorboard and a

526
00:43:47,159 --> 00:43:51,679
half that is, yeah, it
is. It is big and it and

527
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:57,199
it was used to make crop circles. But I didn't I've never made a

528
00:43:57,239 --> 00:44:05,440
crop circle, okay, but but
I I found it under a hedge in

529
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:12,440
a field down in Wiltshire, and
in the field was a crop circle that

530
00:44:12,559 --> 00:44:16,159
had been man made. And so
I thought, all right, I'm having

531
00:44:16,199 --> 00:44:24,480
that this particular crop circle that you
found with plank wood. Did you did

532
00:44:24,519 --> 00:44:28,639
you manage to get hold of an
aerial view of it? And did it

533
00:44:28,679 --> 00:44:30,519
look amazing and wonderful? Semeter?
What would? Did it look a bit

534
00:44:30,559 --> 00:44:38,000
dodging, a bit rough. I
may have seen an aerial view of it,

535
00:44:38,039 --> 00:44:42,519
but I didn't take much notice of
it because I'd been in the crop

536
00:44:42,599 --> 00:44:46,719
circle and I could see that it
was rubbish. Quite yeah, I mean

537
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:51,360
it really was rubbish. It was. It was nothing much more than vandalism

538
00:44:52,559 --> 00:44:57,159
as far as the you know,
the farmer would be concerned. And I

539
00:44:57,239 --> 00:45:00,360
later found that this, this crop, this board belonged to a Dutch group

540
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:08,159
who came over from Holland each year
and made crop circles. So that's their

541
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:13,719
board, Well it's mine. Now
I presume they discarded it because they don't

542
00:45:13,719 --> 00:45:16,920
want to be cool with incriminating evidence. Exactly. Well, I'm quite sure

543
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:21,760
they intended to go and pick it
up a later date. I mean,

544
00:45:22,559 --> 00:45:29,440
it was just pure look or perhaps
I was guided by upstairs to look under

545
00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:32,840
the hedge there and found it,
you know. And of course when I

546
00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:37,800
put it in the back of my
car, my estate car, you know,

547
00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:42,119
I had to be a bit careful
because I could have been accused of

548
00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:45,800
making crop circles. You know,
if you got pulled over, it would

549
00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:50,679
be Robert Hols, the crop circle
maker, and you have to spend Yeah,

550
00:45:51,679 --> 00:45:58,280
that ruins your credibility as a researcher, absolutely absolutely, And of course

551
00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:02,480
you know, some of the researchers, some of the photographers, you know,

552
00:46:04,199 --> 00:46:12,679
we quite convinced we're on the fringe
of credibility, shall we say,

553
00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:17,800
because they certainly. Well, I
mean I've got I've got a tremendous book

554
00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:24,639
here, I must say, it
really is excellent. This is crop Circles,

555
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:34,760
and it's Steve Alexander and Karen Douglas. I know them both. And

556
00:46:35,599 --> 00:46:39,119
there are some wonderful, wonderful photographs
in here. I mean that one is

557
00:46:39,199 --> 00:46:46,679
the what I call the galaxy formation
from August fourteenth, I think two thousand

558
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:54,159
and one, and that's massive.
I mean, imagine the precision that you'd

559
00:46:54,159 --> 00:46:58,800
have to have to create that,
and imagine how much time with each circle.

560
00:46:59,239 --> 00:47:01,760
Well, whether you could see that, but just there, yeah,

561
00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:07,199
there's there's a large white box van
and a couple of other vehicles, so

562
00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:12,119
he can look at the size of
the darn thing. And it's perfect.

563
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:17,719
It's absolutely superb. And unfortunately,
I've got some film that was shot in

564
00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:23,599
the crop circle that the same day
that it was discovered, and it shows

565
00:47:23,719 --> 00:47:32,239
details which proved to me quite certainly
that this was a genuine formation. And

566
00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:38,920
and and also you know, people
said that, you know, tried to

567
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:45,800
claim it, even though John Lumberg
himself admitted in the in the in the

568
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:52,119
big newspaper, don't it might have
been the express or or the male that

569
00:47:52,519 --> 00:47:57,280
he couldn't see how how he could
have done that, and he was actually

570
00:47:57,360 --> 00:48:04,079
being honest for once, uh there, But people still try to rubbish it

571
00:48:04,119 --> 00:48:09,039
by saying it was made over several
nights, you know. But I can

572
00:48:09,239 --> 00:48:14,679
absolutely guarantee you that it wasn't.
And the reason is very very simple.

573
00:48:15,599 --> 00:48:24,920
That's because this here in the background
is the veil of Pusey and there's a

574
00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:36,960
walkway that goes along here and it's
regularly walked during the summer months by many

575
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:45,880
many people, and also at that
time early August. In those days anyway,

576
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:52,360
there would be there would be a
light aircraft or a helicopter flying over

577
00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:59,119
looking for crop circles at least one
an hour, and probably a lot more

578
00:48:59,159 --> 00:49:04,559
often than that. Actually, so
there's no way that that was made over

579
00:49:04,639 --> 00:49:09,480
three days. It occurred one night
and it was a really bad night.

580
00:49:09,559 --> 00:49:16,559
Actually the weather was fouled that night. It rained really hard, so it

581
00:49:16,639 --> 00:49:23,880
still happened. And yet it still
happened. And strangely enough, a couple

582
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:30,559
of couple of days before that,
we David and I, Dave Caateen and

583
00:49:30,599 --> 00:49:38,960
I were fortunate enough to be the
first people to go into a formation which

584
00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:46,239
I call the hubcap formation. And
it was absolutely Christine, it was perfect.

585
00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:59,039
I took many photographs and you really
felt like you were what can I

586
00:49:59,079 --> 00:50:06,719
say, you know, sullying a
Leonardo da Vinci painting by treading in it,

587
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:09,800
you know, yeah, it was. It was that perfect, you

588
00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:15,480
know, or just a oil protester
putting Tomorrow's sleep over anger. Oh yeah,

589
00:50:15,519 --> 00:50:21,920
absolutely. But so so I've been
lucky enough to go in the genuine

590
00:50:22,639 --> 00:50:30,960
things without a doubt. I think
I got one. Yeah, this one

591
00:50:30,599 --> 00:50:37,920
here doesn't look like much. This
one's in Pat Delgado's book. And I

592
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:45,599
think that when of these from nineteen
yeah, okay, I think these from

593
00:50:45,719 --> 00:50:58,119
nineteen ninety one. Yeah. And
so there's that formation which is by a

594
00:50:58,159 --> 00:51:05,880
forestry commission would called west Woods,
which i've already. Can you see that

595
00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:12,480
one, Neil? Yeah, oh
wow, Okay, Now that one is

596
00:51:12,519 --> 00:51:16,840
by a wood as you can see. Yeah, and that wood is Westwoods.

597
00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:23,599
Westwoods is the location of one of
the alien bases. Oh okay.

598
00:51:24,679 --> 00:51:30,280
And so, and I know for
certain that that was a genuine crop circle.

599
00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:42,239
Now. The reason I know is
because when I start this, I

600
00:51:43,039 --> 00:51:50,920
had some very dear friends, James
and James Millan, who was a big

601
00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:54,679
crop circle researcher, and his brother
in law, David, and his sister,

602
00:51:58,840 --> 00:52:07,440
and and they had gone to a
you know, weird things happened,

603
00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:08,840
don't they, you know, to
us, to people like us, we

604
00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:17,039
you know, well, James and
David had this idea that there was a

605
00:52:17,039 --> 00:52:23,159
certain alignment at Avebury to the stones
in Avebury that they wanted to test out.

606
00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:31,840
So they went there early evening the
day before that one was discovered,

607
00:52:32,599 --> 00:52:40,239
right, And when they tried to
get into the position where they could test

608
00:52:40,280 --> 00:52:46,760
this alignment, they were suddenly surrounded
by bees. Okay, right, And

609
00:52:47,159 --> 00:52:51,920
every time they tried to get anywhere
near this alignment, all these bees suddenly

610
00:52:51,920 --> 00:53:02,840
came and it stopped them from testing
it. Right. So so they decided

611
00:53:04,039 --> 00:53:08,920
that they would get up very very
early the next morning and go and test

612
00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:16,119
it before the bees got out in
battle. Okay. So they went to

613
00:53:16,239 --> 00:53:22,119
do the test, which they did, and they found that they were wrong

614
00:53:22,599 --> 00:53:28,039
that right the test, it wasn't
aligned as they thought. So they thought,

615
00:53:28,039 --> 00:53:30,119
what shall we do. I mean, this is about six o'clock in

616
00:53:30,119 --> 00:53:34,840
the morning, so they thought,
I know, because they're in Avebury.

617
00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:42,840
Now we'll go down to the eastfield
overlooking in the Pusey Vale and we'll see

618
00:53:42,840 --> 00:53:51,280
if there's any new crop circles appeared. James and David went to were driving

619
00:53:51,360 --> 00:53:55,400
to the Eastfield, which was the
big place where a lot of the crop

620
00:53:55,480 --> 00:54:01,840
circles appeared. You know. And
and this is a Nap Hill, Nap

621
00:54:01,880 --> 00:54:07,239
Hill car park which is famous in
the crop circle world, and Golden Ball

622
00:54:07,320 --> 00:54:13,000
Hill which is right next door to
it. And but but as they came

623
00:54:13,079 --> 00:54:20,760
down over the Overton Hill down to
the T junction at the bottom which they

624
00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:23,840
would then turn right and go for
Nap Hill, straight in front of them

625
00:54:24,719 --> 00:54:32,400
was this field, and there was
the crop circle. But hovering over the

626
00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:42,079
crop circle was a Shinook helicopter and
coming down on ropes from the helicopter were

627
00:54:42,159 --> 00:54:49,639
military personnel. Right does anyone record
this at all? No? No,

628
00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:52,480
but I can assure you James was
as honest as the day is long,

629
00:54:52,519 --> 00:55:02,159
and his brother in law, solid, solid man. And and so they

630
00:55:02,719 --> 00:55:07,079
parked the car because James is very
curious about what's going on, and they

631
00:55:07,159 --> 00:55:14,519
walk up the field to this crop
circle, which was by then surrounded by

632
00:55:14,920 --> 00:55:23,800
military personnel, armed military personnel,
and inside the crop circle were technicians,

633
00:55:24,599 --> 00:55:34,920
scientists or whatever, dressed in white
coveralls taking samples and doing readings. Okay,

634
00:55:35,119 --> 00:55:38,840
So so James said, well,
can we go in? And they

635
00:55:38,880 --> 00:55:45,800
said no, I'm afraid not.
You know, no you can't. So

636
00:55:46,599 --> 00:55:54,079
that Scotch is the rubbish that's talked
about the military not being interested or the

637
00:55:54,119 --> 00:55:59,800
government not being interested in these things, because they most certainly are without a

638
00:56:00,039 --> 00:56:05,519
out. What's really interesting is that
whoever the military people are, whether they're

639
00:56:05,559 --> 00:56:09,880
American or English, that could be
either. I suppose I wonder what they're

640
00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:13,760
told. I wonder, first of
all, I wonder what the group is

641
00:56:13,840 --> 00:56:19,480
called, because it's obviously some kind
of special group or specially specially what they're

642
00:56:19,480 --> 00:56:22,599
called, we'll probably never know the
name. And then when they join it.

643
00:56:22,679 --> 00:56:24,119
So let's say, kind of like
your an average every day soldier and

644
00:56:24,119 --> 00:56:29,280
you're just soldiering along and then you
get you get kind of invited to join

645
00:56:29,320 --> 00:56:30,920
this group. I wonder what they're
told. So, by the way,

646
00:56:31,599 --> 00:56:34,920
this mission, yeah, and yeah, we're already yeah, we got our

647
00:56:35,000 --> 00:56:37,679
gear and we're going to go to
field and there's going to be some kind

648
00:56:37,719 --> 00:56:42,440
of strange little circle things going on, and you're basically going to guard the

649
00:56:42,480 --> 00:56:45,880
circle, right, Okay, I
mean what they're thinking at this point,

650
00:56:46,199 --> 00:56:52,519
Oh yeah, absolutely, when it
dawns, I wonder when it will dawn

651
00:56:52,599 --> 00:56:59,000
on them that actually what we're involved
with is something way beyond normal regular soldiering,

652
00:56:59,039 --> 00:57:02,440
and this is actually some thing,
very very different. It is absolutely

653
00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:07,440
the government knows full well that it's
that's uh, it's aliens if you like,

654
00:57:08,039 --> 00:57:15,880
you know that that that are involved
with the genuine formations. It's really

655
00:57:15,920 --> 00:57:22,079
interesting. Uh let me just continue
with with my little story here about James

656
00:57:22,079 --> 00:57:25,920
Millen. So, so James went, uh, carried on. They went

657
00:57:25,960 --> 00:57:31,360
to Napill car park, looked down
into the eastfield and there was nothing there.

658
00:57:31,519 --> 00:57:39,440
So but later in the afternoon they
went back with with their wives too,

659
00:57:39,840 --> 00:57:46,559
to the new crop circle. And
as as they drove onto the track

660
00:57:49,840 --> 00:57:59,840
by the field, there was a
man loading samples of stems and plants from

661
00:58:00,039 --> 00:58:06,400
inside that crop circle into into a
vehicle. And and this guy seemed was

662
00:58:06,440 --> 00:58:15,280
French. So but he said to
James and and and Dave, you're not

663
00:58:15,360 --> 00:58:17,960
allowed to go in there, you
know. But James is an old English

664
00:58:19,159 --> 00:58:23,360
bulldog kind of a guy. He
said, this is England, English field

665
00:58:23,400 --> 00:58:30,599
and we're going in, you know. So so so they did, and

666
00:58:30,599 --> 00:58:36,760
and and their wives went in as
well. But it's interesting, you know

667
00:58:36,800 --> 00:58:43,079
who was that guy, you know? And was he part of French secret

668
00:58:45,119 --> 00:58:52,039
more than likely more than like,
so I don't I hope I haven't.

669
00:58:52,639 --> 00:58:54,280
Oh yeah, I've still got it
at at the place right, Okay.

670
00:58:55,000 --> 00:59:01,280
So so they went, they went
into that crop circle, and they spent

671
00:59:01,440 --> 00:59:08,480
quite a while in there looking at
it, and after a while the wives

672
00:59:08,519 --> 00:59:15,400
started to get bored, so they
started to walk off back out of this

673
00:59:15,480 --> 00:59:21,880
crop circle down the field where you
can just about see some small little circles

674
00:59:21,920 --> 00:59:25,719
there what we call well, they're
only probably only about three or four feet

675
00:59:25,760 --> 00:59:36,960
across those in diameter. And Linda, David's wife stood inside that crop circle

676
00:59:37,199 --> 00:59:42,199
and she felt really really strange.
The energy in there was really odd.

677
00:59:42,920 --> 00:59:49,679
And as she stood in there,
she saw lights in the sky coming from

678
00:59:50,119 --> 00:59:58,119
over the wood, coming from the
direction of Marlborough, Okay. And as

679
00:59:58,199 --> 01:00:01,880
the lights came over, the next
thing she knew she was inside a craft

680
01:00:04,840 --> 01:00:10,559
looking down through a kind of a
lens effect thing in the floor of the

681
01:00:10,639 --> 01:00:16,119
craft, and she could see the
shape of the crop circle. And later

682
01:00:16,199 --> 01:00:22,519
on she actually drew it and made
it like a proper almost a well,

683
01:00:23,320 --> 01:00:28,599
you know, a real good drawing
of it before anybody had flown over it

684
01:00:28,760 --> 01:00:32,039
and photographed it. Gosh, it's
almost like these things are honey traps,

685
01:00:32,360 --> 01:00:36,199
and do you know what, It's
almost like the aliens are or how they

686
01:00:36,239 --> 01:00:39,119
are they are. They're kind of
like, well, let's find out which

687
01:00:39,199 --> 01:00:43,679
humans are genuinely interested in us,
Let's give them this, and then the

688
01:00:43,719 --> 01:00:46,400
ones that turn up, they're obviously
the ones that interested, and now we

689
01:00:46,440 --> 01:00:53,880
can communicate with them. Yes,
but I think I think it's no coincidence

690
01:00:54,039 --> 01:01:05,000
at all that James and David were
harassed by those bees that the evening before,

691
01:01:06,480 --> 01:01:10,920
and because of that they got up
early, went to Avery, found

692
01:01:10,920 --> 01:01:17,159
that there was no alignment that which
they were trying to measure, so decided

693
01:01:17,239 --> 01:01:22,039
to go down and then saw this
crop circle. Now if if if none

694
01:01:22,039 --> 01:01:28,800
of that had happened, they would
never have seen the military looking at that

695
01:01:29,760 --> 01:01:36,599
crop circle. And of course James
being a big friend of mine, it's

696
01:01:37,320 --> 01:01:44,519
it put me on the track of
of realizing that that particular location is extremely

697
01:01:44,639 --> 01:01:53,800
important. There's a base there.
And you know, I've got other friends

698
01:01:53,960 --> 01:02:00,960
who who were quite good researchers actually
in the day, and they drove up

699
01:02:00,960 --> 01:02:07,920
that track one night in order to
go into the wood and do a night

700
01:02:07,280 --> 01:02:13,519
SkyWatch kind of thing in the wood. But they were driven back down the

701
01:02:13,639 --> 01:02:19,199
track by a huge red ball of
light which came down towards them in a

702
01:02:19,239 --> 01:02:22,599
menacing sort of a way, more
or less saying no, you're not coming

703
01:02:22,679 --> 01:02:28,719
up here. You know. It's
interesting because when people come across kind of

704
01:02:28,760 --> 01:02:36,199
negative entity or demonic type activity,
that's often associated with red glowing eyes or

705
01:02:36,239 --> 01:02:40,760
red glowing orbs as well. Yeah, warning color it is. I'm sure,

706
01:02:42,000 --> 01:02:52,039
I'm sure it is. Another friend
of mine, another David, it

707
01:02:52,159 --> 01:03:00,280
was incredibly psychic, that's putting it
mildly, has seen creatures jumping from tree

708
01:03:00,400 --> 01:03:05,199
to tree in that wood when they
were just going in there for a walk.

709
01:03:05,280 --> 01:03:08,400
Him and his wife and this is
a bass driver guy. Yeah,

710
01:03:08,719 --> 01:03:13,920
yeah, yeah, and and and
he said to his wife, no,

711
01:03:14,039 --> 01:03:16,679
I think we should get out of
here. Yeah, and so they did.

712
01:03:17,360 --> 01:03:21,840
I mean, I've been in the
in the wood, and I've I've

713
01:03:21,840 --> 01:03:24,239
been in there on my own.
I've spent maybe three hours in there on

714
01:03:24,280 --> 01:03:29,320
my own, filming trying to find
the base entrance. But of course you

715
01:03:29,400 --> 01:03:37,559
can't because there isn't one that you
can that's tangible, because these these craft

716
01:03:37,800 --> 01:03:45,559
are able to fly through what we
consider solid matter, and so there's nothing

717
01:03:45,639 --> 01:03:49,519
really to be seen there. They
just fly straight into the ground. And

718
01:03:49,559 --> 01:03:54,599
when I've filmed them doing this.
Some of them, I estimate, are

719
01:03:54,679 --> 01:04:00,320
going in and coming out at maybe
four thousand miles an hour. Yeah,

720
01:04:00,360 --> 01:04:03,079
I mean the average speed I would
I would guess is about one thousand miles

721
01:04:03,079 --> 01:04:08,320
an hour that these things are doing. And they've got a good handbreak.

722
01:04:10,079 --> 01:04:13,800
Well. I mean, the thing
is that we have no idea how far

723
01:04:13,880 --> 01:04:16,639
down into the earth they're actually going. You know, they could be going

724
01:04:16,679 --> 01:04:26,519
miles down into the earth. But
but the other you know, I mean,

725
01:04:26,559 --> 01:04:31,440
anybody can film them. It's really
quite straightforward. First of all,

726
01:04:31,440 --> 01:04:34,960
you've got to know, you've got
to have an inkling of where they are,

727
01:04:36,079 --> 01:04:42,800
okay, and you can you can, you can get some idea of

728
01:04:42,840 --> 01:04:54,599
that by for instance, energy Earth
energy is seems to be one of the

729
01:04:54,639 --> 01:05:01,679
things that connects these underground bases,
you know, l line energy. And

730
01:05:01,800 --> 01:05:11,760
so if you find a very special
location like ave Brio, Stonehenge or any

731
01:05:11,880 --> 01:05:16,079
place like up in the north here
we have Arbor Low in Derbyshire. You

732
01:05:16,639 --> 01:05:23,320
you know, the ancient people built
those things because they knew the energy was

733
01:05:23,360 --> 01:05:29,280
there. They could sense it.
I mean I can sense it myself personally.

734
01:05:30,440 --> 01:05:33,559
Just imagine how sensitive those people were
in those days when there was no

735
01:05:34,800 --> 01:05:41,719
energy pollution. Yeah, you know
what I mean. No TV signals going

736
01:05:41,760 --> 01:05:45,719
about or you know, mobile phone
signals or anything like that. It was

737
01:05:45,840 --> 01:05:51,599
just natural energy that they could feel. And so so if you can find

738
01:05:51,719 --> 01:06:00,800
places like that, or you might
find like in an area like Wiltshire where

739
01:06:00,840 --> 01:06:06,199
I've spent a lot of time,
you know you will you will get other

740
01:06:06,280 --> 01:06:13,079
people talking about having seen UFOs in
a particular area, and you know,

741
01:06:13,599 --> 01:06:20,559
you might get half a dozen different
witnesses at different times saying we've seen UFOs

742
01:06:20,559 --> 01:06:26,000
over there sort of thing. Well, the reason is because there's a base

743
01:06:26,039 --> 01:06:32,079
there more than likely. So so
set your camcorder up on a tripod and

744
01:06:32,480 --> 01:06:40,199
film and film and at that area
you need you need sky, and you

745
01:06:40,280 --> 01:06:45,440
need the ground in it for reference
points. And don't film too long.

746
01:06:45,880 --> 01:06:49,199
You don't. You don't want to
do more than maybe a minute or so

747
01:06:49,639 --> 01:06:54,599
of film to any one go,
because what you're going to have to do

748
01:06:55,320 --> 01:07:00,119
is take all, take all.
You know, you might do fifteen or

749
01:07:00,360 --> 01:07:04,559
fifteen one minute segments. Right,
you've got to go. You've got to

750
01:07:04,599 --> 01:07:09,519
put it on your computer and in
a program you've got to slow it down

751
01:07:09,559 --> 01:07:14,760
to ten percent of normal speed.
So whatever's doing one thousand miles an hour

752
01:07:14,840 --> 01:07:18,880
is now only doing one hundred miles
an hour. Okay, So then you

753
01:07:18,960 --> 01:07:25,079
can see them fly across the screen
on your computer, but you've got to

754
01:07:25,119 --> 01:07:32,440
concentrate because they're not easy to see
because they're it seems to me that they're

755
01:07:32,519 --> 01:07:39,559
like half in this dimension and half
not in it, you know. But

756
01:07:39,639 --> 01:07:45,519
we can see, we can see
jets on them, you know. They're

757
01:07:45,599 --> 01:07:49,320
like they're a bit like the rods
that people talk about. Yeah, you

758
01:07:49,360 --> 01:07:56,599
know, but at the ends on
either side, at the ends, not

759
01:07:56,639 --> 01:08:00,920
at the actual ends, but at
either side near the end, and they've

760
01:08:00,920 --> 01:08:05,280
got jets. There's four in total
as far as I'm aware, two on

761
01:08:05,360 --> 01:08:10,440
the front, two on the back, and they will fire at different times,

762
01:08:10,480 --> 01:08:13,440
and you can see them in the
in the in the pictures mm hmm.

763
01:08:13,599 --> 01:08:20,560
And and maybe a directional thing,
you know for them. I've got

764
01:08:20,600 --> 01:08:26,640
one piece of film where I've got
two of these craft coming in from the

765
01:08:26,760 --> 01:08:30,920
side, one above the other,
flying along, one above the other,

766
01:08:31,800 --> 01:08:40,640
and they're going to go across the
field of view of my camcorder right over

767
01:08:40,680 --> 01:08:46,520
the top of this wood where the
base is right the top. One comes

768
01:08:46,520 --> 01:08:54,279
along and carries on and goes off
the end of the off the side of

769
01:08:54,319 --> 01:09:00,960
the picture, yakay, the bottom
one. When it gets when it gets

770
01:09:00,000 --> 01:09:06,720
to where the base entrance is,
it stops in mid air, it turns

771
01:09:06,920 --> 01:09:14,359
round, it changes shape, and
it drops down into the base entrance.

772
01:09:15,359 --> 01:09:24,479
Now, all of that is done
in probably about what shall we say,

773
01:09:24,520 --> 01:09:30,960
about eight frames of film, and
I think my camcorder is doing about twenty

774
01:09:30,600 --> 01:09:40,079
five twenty six frames a second,
so all of that in probably a third

775
01:09:40,239 --> 01:09:43,760
yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, under half is definitely under half a

776
01:09:43,800 --> 01:09:48,039
second. So it's no wonder what
I'm when I'm trying to get across to

777
01:09:48,079 --> 01:09:53,039
you, is it's no wonder that
people don't see them, Yeah, because

778
01:09:53,039 --> 01:09:59,720
it's so bloody fast and when and
the technology that they that they have,

779
01:10:00,399 --> 01:10:04,800
it's obviously way beyond anything that we
might have, you know, I mean

780
01:10:04,840 --> 01:10:09,880
we you know, we're yeah,
we're making t R three bees or whatever

781
01:10:09,880 --> 01:10:15,479
they call them, these triangle things. But these are only you know,

782
01:10:15,640 --> 01:10:21,279
copies of real thing, and the
real thing is vastly superior. Now yeah,

783
01:10:21,840 --> 01:10:29,079
so so yeah, And and the
other thing is that we we really

784
01:10:29,119 --> 01:10:32,600
don't know whether these are good guys
are bad guys. And to be honest,

785
01:10:32,680 --> 01:10:38,920
with you. But we do know
that grays have been seen in the

786
01:10:39,039 --> 01:10:43,920
area, right without without a doubt. I mean I know of a lady

787
01:10:43,960 --> 01:10:48,960
who was actually poked in the back
by one of Well that's at Silbury Hill

788
01:10:49,880 --> 01:10:57,640
Pride, because Silbury Hill is another
entrance, right not not not not exactly

789
01:10:57,680 --> 01:11:00,840
on the hill, but just to
the side of the hill. I know

790
01:11:00,920 --> 01:11:06,680
exactly where it is, and and
and and her and her partner. We're

791
01:11:06,800 --> 01:11:14,920
using a very special camera to do
some photographing around that area. It was

792
01:11:14,960 --> 01:11:16,359
a very special thing. I'll tell
you what, Bob. But we I

793
01:11:16,359 --> 01:11:18,800
think we're coming up to a break
now if you want to get that on

794
01:11:18,960 --> 01:11:21,760
hold for the moment, and then
we I'm back to that after the break,

795
01:11:21,800 --> 01:11:25,119
if that's all right, that's all
right by me. Sure thing,

796
01:11:26,119 --> 01:11:29,600
Yeah, that's right. Keep us
keep us on our on the edge of

797
01:11:29,640 --> 01:11:35,439
our seats because so yeah, well
spoorting Andy. So it's now break on

798
01:11:35,479 --> 01:11:38,760
the Paranormal peep Show. So join
us. Just in a minute, we're

799
01:11:38,760 --> 01:11:43,079
talking to Robert Holts about crop circles, UFOs and alien grays and where will

800
01:11:43,119 --> 01:11:45,760
we go from there? So stay
tuned, be back in a minute.

801
01:11:46,279 --> 01:11:53,239
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802
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803
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804
01:12:01,720 --> 01:12:08,039
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805
01:12:08,119 --> 01:12:13,000
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806
01:12:15,840 --> 01:12:19,479
Hi, welcome back to the Paranormal
Peep Show Part two on the Paranormal

807
01:12:19,720 --> 01:12:24,600
UK Radio Network. And we're here
with Robert Holtz and he was actually just

808
01:12:24,800 --> 01:12:29,079
tantalizingly give us an interesting story about
a lady getting hooked in the back by

809
01:12:29,119 --> 01:12:32,720
an alien. Gray was in this
Silbury Ill rubber It was actually yeah,

810
01:12:32,880 --> 01:12:39,479
yeah, Vya Silbury Hill. There's
a track that goes in between the fields

811
01:12:40,039 --> 01:12:48,399
and her and a partner were using
this special camera. It was one of

812
01:12:48,479 --> 01:12:56,079
these things that was covered over with
you know, a cloth over the top

813
01:12:56,119 --> 01:12:59,760
of the thing, like a camouflage
thing. Well, yeah, it's had

814
01:12:59,760 --> 01:13:01,840
a you know, a big plate
in the back of it, all right,

815
01:13:01,920 --> 01:13:05,920
yeah, you know, an old
thing. Yeah yeah, but they

816
01:13:05,960 --> 01:13:12,079
wanted to get a particular effect and
so there they were at the end of

817
01:13:12,079 --> 01:13:16,960
this path where this gate is,
and they were looking in one direction and

818
01:13:20,039 --> 01:13:26,039
the partner was busy with the camera
and she was looking at him. Next

819
01:13:26,119 --> 01:13:30,119
thing, she got poked in the
back and she turned round and it was

820
01:13:30,119 --> 01:13:38,119
a gray looking straight straight at her. And was it doing it playfully or

821
01:13:38,159 --> 01:13:42,960
was it doing aggressively or well,
it didn't look very nice. Apparently it's

822
01:13:43,079 --> 01:13:45,800
upset her a bit, you know, they want to shock. I don't

823
01:13:45,800 --> 01:13:50,439
imagine. Yeah, absolutely, And
I know of other grays that have been

824
01:13:50,560 --> 01:13:56,119
seen. I mean when I say
grays, you know, there's all sorts

825
01:13:56,119 --> 01:14:00,039
of different types of grays. Anyway, So which type this was, I

826
01:14:00,079 --> 01:14:08,319
really don't know. But I remember
a few years ago my friends and I

827
01:14:08,880 --> 01:14:15,359
Dave Caton and Gary from Australia who
came with us, he Gary Ninnies.

828
01:14:16,000 --> 01:14:24,159
We heard that there was a crop
circle in maze in a in a field

829
01:14:25,119 --> 01:14:30,000
across from the avenue you know where
the stones go down at Avebury and and

830
01:14:30,079 --> 01:14:34,039
so we drove down there and we
walked across the fields, went into the

831
01:14:34,039 --> 01:14:40,279
crop circle. I filmed it.
It was totally man made. It was

832
01:14:40,800 --> 01:14:48,119
you know, with maze, the
damage to the stems, with the stomping

833
01:14:48,199 --> 01:14:57,640
board, which I showed you earlier, is so great because the maze's robe

834
01:14:57,640 --> 01:15:00,840
bus you know, it has thick
stems when it's mature, and and it

835
01:15:00,880 --> 01:15:08,680
takes a fair uh a hit to
push it over, so great big scrapes

836
01:15:09,319 --> 01:15:14,600
uh down down the stems where the
boards had hit the down thing uh and

837
01:15:14,600 --> 01:15:18,079
and plus there were still I was
surprised to see on on the on the

838
01:15:18,199 --> 01:15:24,880
leaves where the stems had hit the
leaves, there was a white mark which

839
01:15:25,359 --> 01:15:30,439
on the on the on the leaves, which again is another telltale sign,

840
01:15:30,399 --> 01:15:34,279
but perhaps come to that later.
But so that was a man made thing,

841
01:15:34,920 --> 01:15:38,720
and what a what a mess it
was, and the farmer came,

842
01:15:39,039 --> 01:15:44,479
and so we had to make a
hasty retreat and off my lad. Well,

843
01:15:44,720 --> 01:15:47,640
well, actually, what what I
did, because the maze is so

844
01:15:48,119 --> 01:15:56,039
high, I I walked up the
field inside the maze so I couldn't I

845
01:15:56,079 --> 01:16:00,600
couldn't be seen, and got out
line in the eighth style. Oh honestly,

846
01:16:00,119 --> 01:16:05,520
yeah, really really, But I
later found out that as Gary came

847
01:16:05,560 --> 01:16:13,720
back walking back towards the car,
he came past this hedge that was all

848
01:16:13,760 --> 01:16:16,600
overgrown and everything, and he needed
a pee, so he stopped and he

849
01:16:16,640 --> 01:16:21,079
stood there having a pea, and
up popped from the other side of the

850
01:16:21,079 --> 01:16:28,239
hedge, a flipping gray looking straight
at him. He was nearly more than

851
01:16:28,239 --> 01:16:32,079
a pee. I can tell you, right, yeah, what do you

852
01:16:32,079 --> 01:16:34,359
think the quays one? I mean, why are they there? Why?

853
01:16:34,600 --> 01:16:39,760
Because usually they're quite secretive, aren't
they. But they're obviously not being secretive

854
01:16:39,760 --> 01:16:43,399
in those circumstances. Well, I
think there's just so many of them that

855
01:16:44,079 --> 01:16:50,399
occasionally they're bound to be seen.
I mean, I remember some years ago

856
01:16:50,520 --> 01:16:57,560
David and I went to see a
crop circle up Green Street I think it's

857
01:16:57,640 --> 01:17:02,560
called, which is a lane which
runs out of the center of Avebury,

858
01:17:03,199 --> 01:17:10,399
up up the up the oh,
craik is it not the one? Is

859
01:17:10,399 --> 01:17:16,199
it? The one's dyke? It's
it's it's a path anyway, And and

860
01:17:16,279 --> 01:17:20,560
this this crop circle was in a
field that was quite remote. Anyway,

861
01:17:20,560 --> 01:17:26,359
we found it, and we soon
discovered it was a man made formation.

862
01:17:27,800 --> 01:17:35,640
We even found orange bailing rope string
if you like that they'd used on the

863
01:17:35,640 --> 01:17:40,640
stomping bonds that had come off the
stomping boards and were still in the left.

864
01:17:40,680 --> 01:17:44,960
They left it in the blinking crop
circles. So we knew it was

865
01:17:45,119 --> 01:17:51,279
a man made one, but the
thing was David and I used to try

866
01:17:51,319 --> 01:17:58,800
to get evidence that we could show
to people, you know, not just

867
01:17:58,880 --> 01:18:03,199
take our word for it. So
I remember that I got Dave to get

868
01:18:03,239 --> 01:18:10,760
down on his hands and knees to
point out the board marks on the stems

869
01:18:11,560 --> 01:18:15,039
in the crop, and one or
two other things. And so I was

870
01:18:15,039 --> 01:18:21,119
filming him. But this this circle
which was not very big, probably about

871
01:18:21,279 --> 01:18:27,920
eight to ten feet across, if
that was right next to a pair of

872
01:18:28,199 --> 01:18:32,760
tractor tramlines you know that run through
the fields. And so I'd got Dave

873
01:18:32,800 --> 01:18:39,600
in the shot and the circle and
some and the tram lines. Well,

874
01:18:40,079 --> 01:18:45,680
what happened was when I looked at
the film, I noticed that two people

875
01:18:46,479 --> 01:18:54,159
walked past down the tram line as
I was filming Dave. But they were

876
01:18:54,800 --> 01:19:01,119
etes. Okay, they were ets
And I know that because they were cloaked

877
01:19:02,119 --> 01:19:08,279
right right, so like so like
predator cloak. So you can see exactly

878
01:19:08,479 --> 01:19:14,960
like predator cloaked. Yes, indeed, what it does you can see the

879
01:19:15,039 --> 01:19:26,319
shape of them only by the effect
that that has on the crop behind them,

880
01:19:27,520 --> 01:19:32,520
because you it's a bit like looking
at looking at something through a heat

881
01:19:32,560 --> 01:19:36,079
haze like a mirage. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, but

882
01:19:36,199 --> 01:19:41,159
they very clearly walked walked down the
path, so they so we were being

883
01:19:41,239 --> 01:19:45,640
watched, which is which was often
the case. So you say you got

884
01:19:45,680 --> 01:19:48,039
this on film, Yes, I
got it on film, and when we

885
01:19:48,119 --> 01:19:55,439
find it, you won't find it
anywhere because because I've never published it.

886
01:19:55,479 --> 01:19:59,560
But I will tell you I will
tell you this that when we came out

887
01:19:59,560 --> 01:20:11,920
of that crop circle, we we
went back to Avebury and then we just

888
01:20:12,920 --> 01:20:17,479
drove about a quarter of a mile
up the road and we found a group

889
01:20:17,520 --> 01:20:26,279
of French researchers and I think the
main the main man was a guy called

890
01:20:26,319 --> 01:20:35,359
Pierre Beeck, and they'd done a
lot of filming in France in the hills

891
01:20:35,520 --> 01:20:43,359
around Nice, I think it was, and they'd filmed some very very interesting

892
01:20:43,520 --> 01:20:49,159
objects in the sky in that area, and they were kind enough to show

893
01:20:49,720 --> 01:20:57,439
Dave and myself these photographs, and
so I thought it was only fair that

894
01:20:57,560 --> 01:21:04,359
I should show them these two beings
that I just filmed. Yeah, so

895
01:21:04,560 --> 01:21:11,880
I got my camcorder, I opened
the screen out on it and I tried

896
01:21:11,920 --> 01:21:18,319
to switch it on, but it
wouldn't work, and wording came up on

897
01:21:18,359 --> 01:21:25,039
the screen in read letters, cannot
be operated at this time. Gosh,

898
01:21:25,239 --> 01:21:32,039
okay, now this completely nonplused me
because I've never seen this before. Yeah,

899
01:21:32,119 --> 01:21:38,880
and so I'll try again. So
I must have tried six or seven

900
01:21:38,920 --> 01:21:44,239
times, and every time this wording
came up on the screen. Cannot be

901
01:21:44,319 --> 01:21:47,760
operated at this time. And so
in the end I had to apologize to

902
01:21:47,800 --> 01:21:53,119
them and say, I'm hopefully sorry. For some reason, my cam corders

903
01:21:53,159 --> 01:22:00,880
broke and I can't show you.
So that was that. But we then

904
01:22:00,279 --> 01:22:05,439
went to another crop circle, which
was down the avenue, just on the

905
01:22:05,479 --> 01:22:13,800
other side of Avebury. This was
another one and we had to walk across

906
01:22:13,920 --> 01:22:16,840
a field to get to this crop
circle, and I said today, I

907
01:22:16,840 --> 01:22:20,079
said, well, there's no point
me bringing my camcorder with me because it's

908
01:22:20,079 --> 01:22:24,800
not working. And Dave said,
oh, just bring it just in case

909
01:22:24,840 --> 01:22:29,760
you never know, and went into
the crop circle and switched it on and

910
01:22:29,800 --> 01:22:36,600
it worked perfectly. I was I
was not allowed to show that film,

911
01:22:38,399 --> 01:22:45,920
right, and so I I took
that as you know, shall we say

912
01:22:45,960 --> 01:22:55,239
a request at best, because I
have a connection with the ets, you

913
01:22:55,279 --> 01:23:02,800
know, I do honor that connection, and so I don't show everything that

914
01:23:03,000 --> 01:23:08,119
I've got and I don't tell everything
that's happened to me. And I'm just

915
01:23:08,279 --> 01:23:15,600
I'm just grateful that I do have
friends up there, human human e tes

916
01:23:16,399 --> 01:23:24,560
who look after me absolutely, and
they've proved it to me as well.

917
01:23:26,840 --> 01:23:30,279
And I can I can tell you
how in one case, yeah, please

918
01:23:30,319 --> 01:23:33,720
don't if you'd like to hear it. Yeah. I was down in Wales

919
01:23:33,760 --> 01:23:42,960
near Cardiff at a place called Tinkin's
Wood Burial Chamber mm hmm. And it's

920
01:23:43,079 --> 01:23:50,039
it's quite famous in that area because
it's it's got the largest capstone of a

921
01:23:50,600 --> 01:23:57,520
of a burial chamber in Wales,
I think maybe in the country. I

922
01:23:57,520 --> 01:24:01,600
think it weighs about forty tons some
thing like that. This thing, and

923
01:24:01,800 --> 01:24:05,399
and it's it's it's enclosed in an
in an area at the top of the

924
01:24:05,520 --> 01:24:13,079
field, but running up the field
are these electric overhead power lines big one

925
01:24:13,119 --> 01:24:19,159
yea. And so my friends David
and Linda took me to see this place

926
01:24:20,079 --> 01:24:30,479
and it was just a normal nice
day. There was four people there already

927
01:24:31,119 --> 01:24:39,119
who knew each other. No three, I beg your pardon three and husband

928
01:24:39,199 --> 01:24:47,079
and wife and their friend and and
so David was talking to the husband and

929
01:24:47,079 --> 01:24:51,399
and I was walking around the site
looking around it. But I felt that

930
01:24:51,479 --> 01:25:00,399
there was something evil about this burial
chamber, and so I and you could

931
01:25:00,439 --> 01:25:06,039
walk into it from the front and
from the side, but I thought,

932
01:25:06,039 --> 01:25:10,279
I'm not going in there. There's
something not right in there. For sure.

933
01:25:10,600 --> 01:25:14,000
Did you have like the hair standing
up on your head and like a

934
01:25:14,039 --> 01:25:17,800
magnetic type feeling. I can't say
that I did that, but but it

935
01:25:17,840 --> 01:25:20,720
was it was very it was palpable, you know, it was a it

936
01:25:20,840 --> 01:25:28,039
was a I get you know,
I get feelings about these things, you

937
01:25:28,079 --> 01:25:31,880
know, And so so as far
as I was concerned, I was just

938
01:25:31,920 --> 01:25:38,920
walking around the area and just looking
at it and everything. And at the

939
01:25:39,079 --> 01:25:45,439
at the end of this gathering,
David said, well, we we we've

940
01:25:45,479 --> 01:25:48,279
got on so well, I'd like
a photograph of us all together, you

941
01:25:48,319 --> 01:25:55,880
know. So we got in a
line and David took a photograph of us.

942
01:25:56,319 --> 01:26:01,600
And then what I better tell you
is this that while I'm walking around

943
01:26:01,600 --> 01:26:11,199
the site, there's a tall gentleman
following closely behind me everywhere, which David,

944
01:26:11,359 --> 01:26:15,399
because he's psyche, can see this
person is this guy's got a pink

945
01:26:15,479 --> 01:26:24,880
shirt on, believe it or not. And David thought that I'd made a

946
01:26:24,880 --> 01:26:30,560
friend, a new friend. But
I couldn't see this guy, and neither

947
01:26:30,600 --> 01:26:41,159
could anybody else. And so when
Dave took the photograph of us, this

948
01:26:42,279 --> 01:26:46,479
supposed friend of mine was standing right
behind me in the in the photograph.

949
01:26:46,640 --> 01:26:51,600
Did you then he was human?
Oh? He was human. I know

950
01:26:51,680 --> 01:26:56,399
who he is. Actually, I
know his name. I know his name.

951
01:26:57,399 --> 01:27:02,079
His name is t d okay t
w d e h. I think

952
01:27:02,119 --> 01:27:09,479
that's how it's spelled. Yeah,
and and and he was standing right behind

953
01:27:09,520 --> 01:27:12,720
me, but you can't see him
in the photograph. But what you can

954
01:27:12,840 --> 01:27:19,239
see is a complete distortion of the
area right behind me and the the overhead

955
01:27:19,279 --> 01:27:25,439
power lines go through the back of
the picture, and where he's standing,

956
01:27:26,920 --> 01:27:30,319
it's all it's all blurred. Where
the power lines are either side of that

957
01:27:30,520 --> 01:27:34,960
is perfect. Okay. So Dave
then says, well, I'd like to

958
01:27:35,000 --> 01:27:42,880
be in the picture as well.
So the husband of the couple said,

959
01:27:42,880 --> 01:27:45,000
well, I'll take the photograph for
you. So Dave came and stood in

960
01:27:45,039 --> 01:27:48,680
the line, and he looked across
at this chap in the pink shirt,

961
01:27:48,960 --> 01:27:51,960
and he smiled at him, and
he smiled back at him, and they

962
01:27:53,039 --> 01:28:00,119
took do the photograph, and and
then we all decided to leave, and

963
01:28:00,279 --> 01:28:03,479
as we were about to leave the
place, Dave said, who was the

964
01:28:03,760 --> 01:28:06,600
guy, the tall guy in the
pink shirt that was with you all the

965
01:28:06,600 --> 01:28:14,920
way around everywhere? And Linda and
I we just shook our head said there

966
01:28:14,960 --> 01:28:20,279
was nobody else. And Dave was
absolutely adamant that that there was somebody,

967
01:28:21,039 --> 01:28:27,560
and he almost felt like going back
and checking because it was so real to

968
01:28:27,640 --> 01:28:32,159
him, you know. Yeah.
Anyway, as we were just about to

969
01:28:32,279 --> 01:28:38,079
leave the enclosure, there's a sign
there with Tinkin's Wood burial chamber written on

970
01:28:38,119 --> 01:28:45,119
it, and Dave is a keen
photographer. He took a photograph of it

971
01:28:45,319 --> 01:28:51,079
just for a record. But in
the background of the photograph there's the trees

972
01:28:51,119 --> 01:28:57,079
are there, and when we examined
the photograph, there's a UFO right by

973
01:28:57,199 --> 01:29:02,760
the trees. And this is what
t Day arrived in right And I got

974
01:29:02,760 --> 01:29:09,520
a message from him later to say
that there was an evil entity in the

975
01:29:09,520 --> 01:29:15,960
burial chamber and it was it was
intending to attach to me and he was

976
01:29:15,039 --> 01:29:19,760
not going to let that happen to
his In his words to his little brother,

977
01:29:20,319 --> 01:29:25,880
Okay, I was going to ask
what was the vibration of this guy

978
01:29:25,920 --> 01:29:28,199
in the pink shirt, whether it
was good or bad. But you're saying

979
01:29:28,239 --> 01:29:32,479
that the entity with the chamber was
the negative one the pink shirt. He

980
01:29:32,600 --> 01:29:35,960
was the positive one. He's the
positive one. I've met to day before,

981
01:29:36,279 --> 01:29:43,119
actually met him physic. This is
in Australia. In Australia. Yeah,

982
01:29:43,199 --> 01:29:47,279
yeah, and he was real and
he embraced me and his energy was

983
01:29:47,399 --> 01:29:54,520
just unbelievable. It's just incredible.
What a great privilege, you know,

984
01:29:54,640 --> 01:29:58,760
to to have friends like that.
Have you had any more contact with him

985
01:29:58,920 --> 01:30:02,119
since in any I haven't. Uh, yeah, I know. He's very

986
01:30:02,119 --> 01:30:08,720
busy, uh you know, because
you know, this world is in a

987
01:30:08,920 --> 01:30:13,520
in a bad state and they are
doing their best to help us, you

988
01:30:13,560 --> 01:30:18,239
know. So I don't call on
him, you know, only if I

989
01:30:18,319 --> 01:30:23,680
was in real trouble. But quite
frankly, if I was in real trouble,

990
01:30:23,760 --> 01:30:27,439
I know he would know, yeah, and he would come anyway.

991
01:30:27,960 --> 01:30:32,039
But it's not a game, you
know, you know, it's uh,

992
01:30:32,920 --> 01:30:40,399
it's it's just a great privilege to
have friends like this. And it actually

993
01:30:41,520 --> 01:30:47,880
it actually stems from past life connections. He was my brother in a past

994
01:30:47,920 --> 01:30:56,039
life about two thousand years ago.
Wow. Okay, so and and his

995
01:30:56,199 --> 01:31:00,920
brother was somebody also very special.
I remember saying that as well. Yeah,

996
01:31:00,119 --> 01:31:05,880
okay, so you know it's not
something that I play with, you

997
01:31:05,920 --> 01:31:15,159
know what I mean? Yeah?
Yeah. But interestingly, a year or

998
01:31:15,199 --> 01:31:19,520
two later, David and Linda took
me back to tinkins Wood burial Chamber.

999
01:31:23,079 --> 01:31:27,840
No they didn't. I'm telling a
lie that they took a friend of theirs,

1000
01:31:28,600 --> 01:31:32,439
a lady who was a friend of
Linda's, to the place. And

1001
01:31:32,600 --> 01:31:39,720
as far as Dave was concerned,
nothing unusual happened at all. He didn't

1002
01:31:39,760 --> 01:31:51,199
see anything psychically at all. But
on two of his photographs there are creatures,

1003
01:31:51,600 --> 01:31:59,199
should I say, that are obviously
coming from the burial chamber. It's

1004
01:31:59,239 --> 01:32:09,159
obviously a dimensional portal, right okay. And the trees behind there's a cloud

1005
01:32:10,439 --> 01:32:17,760
attached to the trees, and and
and the sky is all super strange on

1006
01:32:17,920 --> 01:32:27,439
that side. It's really really odd. But these be these creatures are not

1007
01:32:28,279 --> 01:32:33,680
from this dimension, that is for
sure. They're they're nothing like we've got

1008
01:32:33,720 --> 01:32:39,079
here there, and I feel they're
like animals, you know, one of

1009
01:32:39,279 --> 01:32:43,479
one of us above the above the
capstone, and the other one is coming

1010
01:32:43,520 --> 01:32:46,600
out from the side of it.
Do you think this might explain why I

1011
01:32:47,000 --> 01:32:57,479
made these stone monuments, these areas, they are they they are portals of

1012
01:32:56,720 --> 01:33:04,279
of of energy. They uh magnify
the energy. And I think it's quite

1013
01:33:04,319 --> 01:33:13,119
possible that the overhead power lines being
so close to this chamber may actually be

1014
01:33:13,960 --> 01:33:18,119
that energy may be utilized, you
know, yea to make it even stronger,

1015
01:33:18,760 --> 01:33:26,720
right right, Interesting, It's almost
like a medium's cabinet in a sundes

1016
01:33:26,880 --> 01:33:30,479
room, you know, because you've
got the structure of the cabinet. These

1017
01:33:30,560 --> 01:33:34,399
the stone things are almost like a
structure with themselves energy. Yeah, yeah,

1018
01:33:34,640 --> 01:33:39,760
yeah, interesting, yeah, yeah, absolutely. Yeah. Now getting

1019
01:33:39,800 --> 01:33:44,319
back to the crop circles, and
you've you've managed to sort of suss out

1020
01:33:44,680 --> 01:33:49,079
with David about the clues that tell
you that they're fake. Yeah, so

1021
01:33:49,199 --> 01:33:53,399
can you go through with us what
what the clues are? You talked about

1022
01:33:53,439 --> 01:33:57,880
the bends in the in the in
the waves of things. Well, the

1023
01:33:57,880 --> 01:34:03,239
first thing you've got to bear in
mind is, uh that the genuine ones

1024
01:34:03,359 --> 01:34:09,199
are perfect, right, so there's
no mistakes. And I showed I showed

1025
01:34:09,239 --> 01:34:15,000
you earlier. Uh, this is
what I call the hub cap formation by

1026
01:34:15,760 --> 01:34:20,239
Woodborough Hill, which I was the
first person to set foot in that one.

1027
01:34:20,359 --> 01:34:26,760
And what a privilege that was that
was absolutely perfection. Wow. And

1028
01:34:26,760 --> 01:34:30,880
and that happened well, I don't
know about two or three days before that

1029
01:34:30,920 --> 01:34:38,880
one wow, which which was as
the crow flies between those two, you're

1030
01:34:38,920 --> 01:34:49,279
probably talking about a mile in between
the two. So so the first thing

1031
01:34:49,319 --> 01:34:53,199
to bear in mind, as I
say, is the genuine ones are perfect

1032
01:34:53,520 --> 01:35:00,399
right because it's laid with an energy. Yeah, And and it the energy

1033
01:35:00,479 --> 01:35:08,680
lays each stem one at a time, but incredibly speedily, so they're going

1034
01:35:08,720 --> 01:35:12,920
down b b b b b b
bum. So there's no So but if

1035
01:35:12,960 --> 01:35:15,800
you've got a stomping board like I
showed you earlier, you know, if

1036
01:35:15,800 --> 01:35:20,000
that's a stomping board, you've got
a leading edge of the stomping board.

1037
01:35:20,319 --> 01:35:26,560
Yeah. And as as you step
forward and push the stems down, you're

1038
01:35:26,560 --> 01:35:31,760
going to push a length a width
of stems all down in one go.

1039
01:35:32,319 --> 01:35:35,760
And then you'll step forward again and
you'll and you'll press them down again.

1040
01:35:36,159 --> 01:35:41,079
And so so here we have what
we think is a crease mark on the

1041
01:35:41,119 --> 01:35:47,439
stem of the crop, probably where
the stomping board has creased the stem as

1042
01:35:47,479 --> 01:35:55,880
it's gone across it. And so
you get the effect of like like waves

1043
01:35:56,000 --> 01:36:00,359
lapping on a sea shore, you
know, one after the other. Yeah,

1044
01:36:00,760 --> 01:36:05,560
so you've got groupings of stems going
down, which in the genuine ones

1045
01:36:05,600 --> 01:36:12,680
you don't get into ste now.
And the genuine ones have high microwave so

1046
01:36:12,880 --> 01:36:19,439
radioactive energy as well, don't they. Well they they you know, we've

1047
01:36:19,479 --> 01:36:30,560
we've monitored radiation whatever kind it is, we don't know in in one or

1048
01:36:30,560 --> 01:36:38,000
two crop circles genuine ones. And
in fact, the film that I shot

1049
01:36:38,000 --> 01:36:47,600
of David in the Nautilus formation at
Pusy many years ago was used in the

1050
01:36:48,520 --> 01:36:55,319
Thrive video. I don't know whether
you remember. It was a big production

1051
01:36:56,039 --> 01:37:01,039
done by an American ritual laden guy
talking talking about new forms of energy and

1052
01:37:01,079 --> 01:37:05,199
all that kind of thing. Well, he used my damn filming. That

1053
01:37:05,479 --> 01:37:11,239
didn't ask me ask my permission.
That's a bit nothing. Well might be

1054
01:37:11,279 --> 01:37:15,960
actually entitled to royalties on that.
I guess. It's the same with the

1055
01:37:15,000 --> 01:37:20,800
WI files. They didn't ask Richard
D. Hall for permission to put it

1056
01:37:20,840 --> 01:37:25,439
in, and that's had five point
four million views. Yeah, you know,

1057
01:37:26,079 --> 01:37:29,000
but look, I'm not bothered about
that. It's getting the information out

1058
01:37:29,000 --> 01:37:38,239
there, that's all the matters.
So so that's one thing you'll often find

1059
01:37:38,800 --> 01:37:42,199
as I said earlier. You know, where they're trying to go around in

1060
01:37:42,199 --> 01:37:46,079
a circle, they won't get it
perfectly circular. They'll go so far.

1061
01:37:46,520 --> 01:37:54,560
Quite often you'll come to say,
in a picture like this one, can

1062
01:37:54,600 --> 01:37:58,199
you see you can see the tractor
lines going through the s here? Yeah,

1063
01:37:58,199 --> 01:38:01,319
Well, well they'll come round the
circle and then they'll come to the

1064
01:38:01,359 --> 01:38:09,640
tractor line and somehow it it takes
them up the up the tractor line,

1065
01:38:09,800 --> 01:38:14,000
so they're going straight for a bit
and then they come round again to to

1066
01:38:14,000 --> 01:38:16,039
to try to get it right again. If you see what I mean,

1067
01:38:16,920 --> 01:38:24,960
it must be an optical illusion thing
for them. And so that's another thing.

1068
01:38:25,359 --> 01:38:30,079
And then of course when the board
hits the stems, if it's in

1069
01:38:30,159 --> 01:38:38,079
green crop, you know, like
it's early in the season, then there's

1070
01:38:38,159 --> 01:38:43,520
there's moisture in the stems, and
where the board impacts the stem, it

1071
01:38:43,560 --> 01:38:51,439
causes damage, and you can't see
damage until about twelve hours after the impact

1072
01:38:51,479 --> 01:38:57,199
has happened. But then a chemical
reaction takes place in the stem and you

1073
01:38:57,319 --> 01:39:01,720
get a white line on the on
the stem where the board hit it.

1074
01:39:01,720 --> 01:39:05,279
It's only on the one side where
it hit it. The other side there's

1075
01:39:05,319 --> 01:39:11,680
nothing at all and what you'll find
is you'll find a line of stems all

1076
01:39:11,720 --> 01:39:17,720
with board marks in the same place
I've I think I counted about twenty five

1077
01:39:18,640 --> 01:39:24,520
board marks all in a line in
one crop circle right where the board has

1078
01:39:24,600 --> 01:39:30,960
hit it. You know, that's
not so easy to see in crop that

1079
01:39:31,159 --> 01:39:35,000
is ripe because all the moisture has
come out of it, but you still

1080
01:39:35,239 --> 01:39:42,720
you will get creases in the stems. There's telltale signs like that, the

1081
01:39:42,840 --> 01:39:50,239
genuine ones. Quite often at the
edge of the circle. The energy actually

1082
01:39:50,640 --> 01:39:59,640
washes the crop up the side of
the standing crop, and in some circles

1083
01:39:59,640 --> 01:40:05,880
that we've been in, the energy
overspills and it actually runs out into the

1084
01:40:05,920 --> 01:40:15,920
standing crop in an arc usually I've
got one of those on film too,

1085
01:40:15,640 --> 01:40:21,279
and it starts off at about maybe
about five or six stems wide, where

1086
01:40:21,319 --> 01:40:28,720
it goes into the standing crop and
it gradually decreases in an arc of about

1087
01:40:29,039 --> 01:40:38,760
maybe fifteen feet long until it's just
one stem that's been knockdown. Right.

1088
01:40:38,800 --> 01:40:44,960
So here, what we found on
the small thought bubble about three from the

1089
01:40:45,079 --> 01:40:49,960
end is a track which comes from
the side of the bubble and into the

1090
01:40:50,000 --> 01:40:56,880
standing crop and where it comes out
of the bubble. It's about six or

1091
01:40:56,920 --> 01:41:02,920
seven inches wide. And then gradually
it it goes narrower and narrower, and

1092
01:41:02,960 --> 01:41:17,399
it comes down this track here down
here, getting thinner and thinner, until

1093
01:41:21,159 --> 01:41:41,600
it comes around in an arc and
ends up and down in there. And

1094
01:41:41,760 --> 01:41:51,039
at the end that's the end he
seed head and it is one stem wide

1095
01:41:51,640 --> 01:41:57,479
at that point. And I've got
that on film too. That's precision workers

1096
01:41:57,680 --> 01:42:00,680
that you mention a lot of on
film. Is there a results that people

1097
01:42:00,720 --> 01:42:03,600
can see to see any of the
videos at all? Or they will find

1098
01:42:03,680 --> 01:42:11,119
it? I have put some stuff
out on on YouTube. Yeah, so

1099
01:42:11,239 --> 01:42:15,039
YouTube, what would they be searching
for? Well, i'd have to I'd

1100
01:42:15,039 --> 01:42:21,800
have to send you that information.
Possibly some of it I haven't put on

1101
01:42:23,359 --> 01:42:29,039
im. To be honest with you, I'm a bit lazy, that's the

1102
01:42:29,079 --> 01:42:32,760
honest truth of the matter, too. Busy blind Bowles, Well, well,

1103
01:42:33,359 --> 01:42:40,479
well you know with me, because
it's not crop circles has just been

1104
01:42:40,560 --> 01:42:51,239
one aspect of my involvement with with
with extraterrestrial beings and and so it's so

1105
01:42:51,319 --> 01:42:56,319
it's a it's a lifelong thing for
me. I never know what's going to

1106
01:42:56,359 --> 01:43:00,920
happen next. As far as the
eats are concerned. I think all the

1107
01:43:00,199 --> 01:43:06,159
prosperity and for future generations into UFI
and crop research, I think definitely become

1108
01:43:06,319 --> 01:43:12,479
unlazy and get it up there as
a result, people that I'll consider myself

1109
01:43:12,520 --> 01:43:15,359
told off on. Yeah, there
is some very good footage stove, very

1110
01:43:15,359 --> 01:43:19,159
good interview for anyone that's interesting.
I'll certainly put a link in the in

1111
01:43:19,159 --> 01:43:26,079
the YouTube version of this, and
that is Richard de Hall's Crop Circles The

1112
01:43:26,279 --> 01:43:31,000
Hidden Truth. She's on his website
rich planet dot net and just looking videos

1113
01:43:31,000 --> 01:43:34,720
and crop circles. And I think
he's done a couple of interviews with Roy

1114
01:43:35,359 --> 01:43:41,439
Dutton, who so anyway, Oh
yeah, yeah, because because you knew

1115
01:43:41,520 --> 01:43:45,279
him and so Nadai Payton and yeah, I believe they work together and that's

1116
01:43:45,279 --> 01:43:49,199
how he got connected with them.
Yes, uh so, so Roy had

1117
01:43:49,199 --> 01:43:54,119
this very interesting clipping the thing and
maybe I could borrow borrow that to use

1118
01:43:54,119 --> 01:43:57,359
in our clip as well, because
it's very worthwhile to show a few things

1119
01:43:57,359 --> 01:44:01,439
of his legacy. Yeah. One
is how he believed the crop circles were

1120
01:44:01,560 --> 01:44:08,279
performed and he made a very ingenious
kind of contraction from word. Yeah.

1121
01:44:08,359 --> 01:44:11,079
Yeah, I think he has something
like a little brush at the end with

1122
01:44:11,239 --> 01:44:15,079
maybe flower or chalk or something.
Flower flower flower. Yeah, And as

1123
01:44:15,119 --> 01:44:19,479
it it was like a vertical pole
with this brush at the end, and

1124
01:44:19,520 --> 01:44:24,359
it would swing backwards of forwards,
and this pole would rotate on a kind

1125
01:44:24,359 --> 01:44:28,239
of pulley or something, and it
would sweep the flower out into a kind

1126
01:44:28,239 --> 01:44:31,880
of circular spirrable and come back on
itself. But it would never go to

1127
01:44:31,960 --> 01:44:39,920
the same point twice, which is
interesting. I produced this model to demonstrate

1128
01:44:39,960 --> 01:44:46,079
to audiences the principles involved. This
little arm here with the brush on the

1129
01:44:46,239 --> 01:44:53,399
end, in fact, is free
only to move radially outwards, and it

1130
01:44:53,439 --> 01:44:57,720
flips back to the middle and then
begins to move them radially outwards again in

1131
01:44:57,760 --> 01:45:05,520
a straight line. But as this
is happening, the whole assembly is rotating

1132
01:45:06,039 --> 01:45:10,800
steadily in one direction or the other. It could be our clockwise around a

1133
01:45:10,840 --> 01:45:15,720
clockwise so that the the path troubled
by the brush is a spiral path of

1134
01:45:15,880 --> 01:45:21,720
cold path. Now I'm going to
try to demonstrate how the circle is produced

1135
01:45:21,760 --> 01:45:48,560
in this way. Notice that the
gaps are being filled in on each sibs

1136
01:45:49,000 --> 01:46:08,079
successive rotation until the entire circle is
created. The actual shape of the spiral

1137
01:46:08,159 --> 01:46:14,439
depends on the relative rate of outward
sweep and rotation. This is a very

1138
01:46:14,479 --> 01:46:19,560
short spiral, but sometimes they can
go all the way around. You thought

1139
01:46:19,600 --> 01:46:25,159
it was moving a fixed velocity from
the center to the edge and at a

1140
01:46:25,239 --> 01:46:29,880
fixed rotational speed and then flipping back. And then once it got to the

1141
01:46:30,000 --> 01:46:33,960
edge, it instantaneously would go to
the center and then start a second series

1142
01:46:34,000 --> 01:46:40,920
of strips all round until and then
going around again very rapidly to fill in

1143
01:46:40,960 --> 01:46:44,880
the gaps. Right, okay,
and you actually model that. I model

1144
01:46:44,960 --> 01:46:47,960
that on a computer and I also
tried to demonstrate it with that model of

1145
01:46:48,000 --> 01:46:54,439
mine. It can't matter what the
actual speeds were. It could produce any

1146
01:46:54,520 --> 01:46:59,399
kind of spiral with that form,
because, believe me, you can get

1147
01:46:59,479 --> 01:47:04,079
spiles other forms. And I did
tie this with other equations. Well,

1148
01:47:04,640 --> 01:47:13,720
the thing is is this that very
often in the genuine formations, the crop

1149
01:47:13,960 --> 01:47:18,720
isn't laid all the way in one
go all around the circle. It actually

1150
01:47:18,760 --> 01:47:24,600
starts in the center of the circle
and goes out in an arc to the

1151
01:47:24,880 --> 01:47:29,399
edge of the circle, and it's
built up with a series of arcs.

1152
01:47:29,920 --> 01:47:35,399
Yeah. Actually, and I remember
Roy going to Roy's house back in about

1153
01:47:35,920 --> 01:47:39,600
oh I don't know. It would
be about ninety five something like that,

1154
01:47:39,640 --> 01:47:43,960
because he lived not too far from
me, and he showed me that machine.

1155
01:47:44,000 --> 01:47:47,439
He took me into the back room
and showed me his machine. So,

1156
01:47:47,600 --> 01:47:49,840
yes, that's on that film,
I think, isn't it. Yes,

1157
01:47:50,279 --> 01:47:55,039
that's an amazing piece because he theorized
this something must be vertical, that

1158
01:47:55,239 --> 01:47:58,319
was creating it. And then yeah, I don't know, I'm framed with

1159
01:47:58,479 --> 01:48:01,560
which came first. He's mentioned then
meeting the farmer, that he met a

1160
01:48:01,560 --> 01:48:05,720
farmer and he interviewed him, and
again he can it's on the rich Planet

1161
01:48:05,760 --> 01:48:13,960
thing where he talks to this farmer
album forget his surname This Farmer about nineteen

1162
01:48:14,119 --> 01:48:17,680
nineteen. He actually wrote it in
his diary, Yeah, evidence where he

1163
01:48:17,720 --> 01:48:23,319
said that he was in his field
and he said he saw, and you're

1164
01:48:23,319 --> 01:48:30,680
never sure in the interview whether there's
one column or many. One was there

1165
01:48:30,720 --> 01:48:33,960
on the far left of this field, this thousand foot tall column, gray

1166
01:48:34,039 --> 01:48:36,560
in color. He said, it
was a cloudy day. The top of

1167
01:48:36,600 --> 01:48:41,159
it disappeared into the clouds and it
came down, and then it appeared in

1168
01:48:41,159 --> 01:48:44,520
front of him, only a few
feet away for about five minutes, and

1169
01:48:44,560 --> 01:48:47,359
it haven't rotated and swelled, and
he said he could see the dust being

1170
01:48:47,399 --> 01:48:53,479
swelled up by it. Then that
vanaged and it appeared further to the far

1171
01:48:53,640 --> 01:48:59,399
side of him again, and Roy
kind of theorized that that was perhaps the

1172
01:48:59,479 --> 01:49:02,600
prelude to a crop circle being because
there was another case where there was no

1173
01:49:02,680 --> 01:49:10,039
crop circle produced. But farmer witnessed
two feet wide black tubes. Yes,

1174
01:49:10,159 --> 01:49:15,479
mister Ball, And he told us
about this event that occurred the year before.

1175
01:49:16,800 --> 01:49:21,439
It was overcast, no sunshine,
sort of a dullish sort of day.

1176
01:49:21,760 --> 01:49:25,479
It's this field here, it was
in winter barley at the time.

1177
01:49:25,520 --> 01:49:30,279
It's a cornfield most of the time. And looking across diagonally, looking at

1178
01:49:30,279 --> 01:49:33,680
the wood behind. It was to
the left, about halfway along the woodline

1179
01:49:33,720 --> 01:49:38,520
that you can probably see on the
film. The first one where I stood

1180
01:49:38,520 --> 01:49:42,279
in the field nearby, and then
when that died away, the second one

1181
01:49:42,279 --> 01:49:47,840
appeared nearer the tree, over nearer
the in the far distance, and suddenly

1182
01:49:48,880 --> 01:49:53,600
in front of me was a tube
running up about a thousand feet. Oh,

1183
01:49:53,920 --> 01:49:56,960
I'm not a good judge, but
I would say a thousand feet plus

1184
01:49:57,279 --> 01:50:00,760
are coming down out of sight onto
the ground. This was not very many

1185
01:50:00,800 --> 01:50:06,720
yards away from me. But the
important point about it that struck me with

1186
01:50:06,840 --> 01:50:12,079
it was the circular motion of the
ashes in the grit on the ground.

1187
01:50:12,159 --> 01:50:15,199
It didn't appear to be being sucked
up the tube. It was just rotating

1188
01:50:15,199 --> 01:50:19,479
at a high speed on the ground
about two feet wide two feet six perhaps

1189
01:50:19,520 --> 01:50:26,319
on the ground, and the tube
was vertical and perpendicular, and it didn't

1190
01:50:26,319 --> 01:50:30,039
grow at the top or anything,
and that was unusual. That was one

1191
01:50:30,039 --> 01:50:33,239
of the unusual things about it.
And this went on for several minutes,

1192
01:50:34,279 --> 01:50:39,239
and then this died away, and
then another one appeared about two hundred yards

1193
01:50:39,239 --> 01:50:41,960
from me. Then in the other
corner of the field, and this was

1194
01:50:42,000 --> 01:50:45,520
a similar situation again, lasting about
the same time. I've worked these fields

1195
01:50:45,520 --> 01:50:49,359
for fifty years and I've never seen
anything like it before, and nothing at

1196
01:50:49,399 --> 01:50:54,439
all like it. This is a
diary of nineteen ninety, the year that

1197
01:50:54,479 --> 01:50:57,720
we saw those tubes. Who were
describing in the field, and just to

1198
01:50:57,760 --> 01:51:03,560
show you that the entry was at
the time has shown here. And it

1199
01:51:03,640 --> 01:51:08,399
occurred to me that he could have
witnessed the kind of being what I'm talking

1200
01:51:08,399 --> 01:51:15,439
about. This was, Yeah,
this was the kind of energy that might

1201
01:51:15,479 --> 01:51:18,840
be used for crops, but he
was watching. He was looking at it

1202
01:51:19,239 --> 01:51:27,640
in with the being unfocused, but
it it wasn't focused. He thought,

1203
01:51:28,199 --> 01:51:31,000
maybe just testing out the land in
some way to see if it's worth trying

1204
01:51:31,000 --> 01:51:33,880
to crop circle there or not.
I don't know, but you know,

1205
01:51:34,000 --> 01:51:40,560
and this farmer saw what happened.
Absolutely, And sometimes they do things just

1206
01:51:40,880 --> 01:51:45,319
so that people can see these things. You know. It's a it's a

1207
01:51:45,399 --> 01:51:51,479
kind of a gradual waking up process
of humanity. You know. That's probably

1208
01:51:51,560 --> 01:51:56,199
why a lot of them have lights
on the craft, you know. Yeah,

1209
01:51:56,239 --> 01:52:00,199
it's it's so we can see them. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

1210
01:52:00,399 --> 01:52:03,159
yeah, Roy, this thing,
isn't it. I mean that if they

1211
01:52:03,239 --> 01:52:08,159
wanted to cloak themselves, they can
and will cloak themselves. So there's obviously

1212
01:52:08,199 --> 01:52:12,000
the reason why they'd want us to
see see them. Yeah. The question

1213
01:52:12,199 --> 01:52:15,640
then is, well, what is
that reason? That reason is that sooner

1214
01:52:15,720 --> 01:52:20,119
or later we're going to be introduced
to them and we're going to have to

1215
01:52:20,199 --> 01:52:25,720
get used to the idea. And
of course that it is what has been

1216
01:52:25,760 --> 01:52:29,920
taking place over the last I don't
know, forty fifty years probably, you

1217
01:52:29,960 --> 01:52:35,800
know, with TV and films and
stuff like that. Yeah, and people

1218
01:52:35,840 --> 01:52:43,359
coming out you know, from the
America. You know, David Grosscher whatever

1219
01:52:43,439 --> 01:52:47,560
his name was. Oh yeah,
and all these other people. I mean

1220
01:52:47,560 --> 01:52:53,800
they're all government operatives and they're all
still working for the government. You know.

1221
01:52:55,079 --> 01:52:58,199
They when they give this information out, they've been cleared to do it.

1222
01:52:58,880 --> 01:53:04,920
You know. It's it's just trying
to wake people up to the reality

1223
01:53:05,039 --> 01:53:11,880
that we are not alone and never
have been alone, you know. So

1224
01:53:14,239 --> 01:53:17,960
they're doing a good job, I
think. Yeah, so we're talking about

1225
01:53:18,039 --> 01:53:21,039
David Grushen, May I just want
to get back to the crop circle formation,

1226
01:53:21,079 --> 01:53:26,640
because yeah, Royals spoke about a
case and he never said when it

1227
01:53:26,760 --> 01:53:32,079
happened, but he talked about two
boys in a village in Japan saw something

1228
01:53:32,319 --> 01:53:36,000
similar to what the farmer had seen
in England. Oh yeah. And I

1229
01:53:36,199 --> 01:53:40,640
presume this was somewhere in the nineteen
eighties, but I'm not sure. And

1230
01:53:41,079 --> 01:53:44,239
there's two ten year old boys in
their local beach, playing in a field

1231
01:53:44,319 --> 01:53:47,800
or something when they saw something similar
to what the farmer had described too.

1232
01:53:48,760 --> 01:53:53,920
And obviously things get lost in translation, I imagine, but they just cribed

1233
01:53:53,920 --> 01:53:58,359
them as upside bound funnels or cones
coming the out of the ground, and

1234
01:53:59,159 --> 01:54:02,760
one appeared right nextus boy's spinning and
his friend was like one hundred yards away.

1235
01:54:02,760 --> 01:54:05,520
He didn't see it. So he
went over to tell his friend,

1236
01:54:06,239 --> 01:54:10,359
I've seen this cone spinning right by
me, and then bang it up and

1237
01:54:10,479 --> 01:54:14,520
by both of them this time,
yes, spin in the field and yeah,

1238
01:54:14,560 --> 01:54:16,800
they described it to people, and
then again they wondered if it was

1239
01:54:16,840 --> 01:54:21,079
like the formation of a crop circle
about to be happening, and maybe because

1240
01:54:21,119 --> 01:54:27,000
they was in the field, they
couldn't proceed with the full procedure because the

1241
01:54:27,399 --> 01:54:29,800
energy might have been dangerous to the
kids, and they didn't want them to

1242
01:54:29,840 --> 01:54:32,560
be there. You know, maybe
maybe that's a possibility. Yeah, yeah,

1243
01:54:32,640 --> 01:54:41,520
yeah, it is interesting. And
the energy is certainly I think directed

1244
01:54:41,600 --> 01:54:50,119
from above. And sometimes where we
get a crop circle appearing in a sloping

1245
01:54:50,319 --> 01:54:57,840
field, where it's quite a slope
on the field, it's quite noticeable that

1246
01:54:58,960 --> 01:55:05,079
the energy is stronger in certain parts
of the formation than in other parts,

1247
01:55:08,000 --> 01:55:14,199
so that in some parts, say
that the top side of the crop circle

1248
01:55:14,840 --> 01:55:19,159
going up the field, a lot
of the crop may not be laid properly

1249
01:55:19,319 --> 01:55:25,319
at all. It looks as though
it's been missed, but by the energy,

1250
01:55:26,319 --> 01:55:32,680
and I think it's connected with the
slope of the hillside. I filmed

1251
01:55:32,720 --> 01:55:36,920
one in I don't know about twenty
eighteen, which I did put on YouTube.

1252
01:55:38,359 --> 01:55:45,119
I was down there with Dave Caton
and we had exactly that occurrence where

1253
01:55:45,720 --> 01:55:50,600
there was the central circle and then
a series of rings going out from that,

1254
01:55:50,880 --> 01:55:55,680
going up the field, and it
was all on the slope and in

1255
01:55:55,760 --> 01:56:03,920
every ring at the top side of
the circle the stems were not laid properly

1256
01:56:04,079 --> 01:56:09,600
at all. Everywhere else they were
laid properly. It's almost like beams not

1257
01:56:09,760 --> 01:56:15,479
quite focused there exactly exactly exactly,
And I've seen it in other circles too,

1258
01:56:16,399 --> 01:56:20,479
so it's not you know, when
some people might see that, they

1259
01:56:20,520 --> 01:56:27,319
might think, oh, the circle
makers have made a mistake. They haven't

1260
01:56:27,319 --> 01:56:31,720
stomped it down properly, you know. But no, it's the energy that

1261
01:56:32,199 --> 01:56:36,039
it's one of the telltale signs that
you could have a genuine crop circle.

1262
01:56:36,079 --> 01:56:42,479
Actually, is this the case where
again broy Darten he said that one of

1263
01:56:42,520 --> 01:56:45,560
the first crop circles he was shown
by one of the other colleagues that you've

1264
01:56:45,640 --> 01:56:49,920
yet about might have been Busty Tailor. Yeah, old god. Yeah,

1265
01:56:49,920 --> 01:56:55,720
it was on a hillside and it
was an oval shaped yeah, because he

1266
01:56:55,840 --> 01:57:00,000
theorized it was created on a hill, and therefore whatever it was couldn't quite

1267
01:57:00,039 --> 01:57:02,359
get a full circle because it was
the shape of a hill causing it.

1268
01:57:02,359 --> 01:57:06,319
It's almost like we're sharing a torch
beam. Yeah, an angle instead of

1269
01:57:06,319 --> 01:57:11,000
being a perfect circle, it goes
off in an oval beam, doesn't Yeah,

1270
01:57:11,119 --> 01:57:15,880
Yeah, yeah, absolutely, yeah. It's so whatever it is,

1271
01:57:15,920 --> 01:57:20,880
it's it's it's sort of proving to
us that it's an energy that is laying

1272
01:57:21,199 --> 01:57:26,079
the crop circles. I want to
just mention a lady in America, and

1273
01:57:26,239 --> 01:57:32,199
a lady called Elis and and I
think and was it I y L E

1274
01:57:32,439 --> 01:57:36,439
S. I think that was how
she spelt her name. And years ago,

1275
01:57:36,920 --> 01:57:42,960
and I'm talking that sort of late
nineties, she wrote a booklet with

1276
01:57:43,199 --> 01:57:54,479
illustrations mm hmm, and it was
it was called something like it was how

1277
01:57:54,560 --> 01:57:58,079
crop circles are made basically, Yeah, the real, the real thing.

1278
01:57:58,920 --> 01:58:04,199
And my god, she got it. She'd absolutely got it. She even

1279
01:58:05,159 --> 01:58:12,079
noticed that in the real ones sometimes
you get a bundling of the stems,

1280
01:58:12,359 --> 01:58:23,479
so that you know, you were
mentioning earlier about Roy Dunton's you know going

1281
01:58:24,760 --> 01:58:30,399
machine that had the brush on it
which went in an arc well where they

1282
01:58:30,439 --> 01:58:38,560
went in an arc every maybe three
or four. Oh, it's a do

1283
01:58:38,680 --> 01:58:45,600
an arc that was bundled together.
That means that the stems were all wrapped

1284
01:58:45,640 --> 01:58:49,560
together like this. And then and
when they came to the edge of the

1285
01:58:49,760 --> 01:58:56,000
of the crop circle this, when
they came to the standing crop, it

1286
01:58:56,800 --> 01:59:00,399
pushed it up the side of the
standing crop in a bundle. Okay,

1287
01:59:01,479 --> 01:59:08,840
And then you'd get maybe three or
four lines of arcs with nothing, and

1288
01:59:08,880 --> 01:59:13,640
then you'd get another one that was
bundled, and then they'd miss a few,

1289
01:59:13,680 --> 01:59:16,680
and then you get another that was
bundled. Well, I've got photographs

1290
01:59:17,479 --> 01:59:24,279
that were taken in genuine crop circles
in the pusy veil that show exactly what

1291
01:59:24,439 --> 01:59:29,479
Ilis was talking about all those years
ago. And she also was probably one

1292
01:59:29,520 --> 01:59:34,720
of the first people to notice the
boardmarks on the stems. You know,

1293
01:59:35,000 --> 01:59:39,479
she was well ahead of a time, but people didn't take much notice of

1294
01:59:39,520 --> 01:59:43,920
her because she was a bit of
like a hippie sort of a character,

1295
01:59:44,079 --> 01:59:46,399
you know. But by Cracky she
was on the ball, you know.

1296
01:59:46,760 --> 01:59:53,159
So wow, cudos to Elis.
Yes, she still around and I really

1297
01:59:53,159 --> 01:59:57,000
don't know. I wouldn't be surprised, but she'll be in America somewhere,

1298
01:59:57,079 --> 02:00:03,319
you know. Okay, I'll set
off now. So they're getting back to

1299
02:00:03,359 --> 02:00:08,560
America, of course you mentioned earlier. So yeah. Thoughts on David Grosh

1300
02:00:08,680 --> 02:00:13,720
coming out and doing his thirstegent interview
with Ross Coulthard and then he went on

1301
02:00:14,039 --> 02:00:16,720
the American Senate and talked about everything, yeah, yeats. Well, my

1302
02:00:16,800 --> 02:00:23,039
thoughts are that he's telling the truth. I don't have any problems with what

1303
02:00:23,079 --> 02:00:29,439
he says at all. But at
the same time, I'm quite sure that

1304
02:00:29,520 --> 02:00:34,239
he's been told to give that information
out by his superiors, you know.

1305
02:00:34,840 --> 02:00:42,079
Yeah. And it's the same thing
with lou Elizondo. It seems like a

1306
02:00:42,199 --> 02:00:45,359
nice enough guy, you know,
but but he's a bit I find him

1307
02:00:45,399 --> 02:00:49,920
a bit frustrating because he's supposed to
have been in charge of a of a

1308
02:00:49,960 --> 02:00:56,680
big UFO department at the Pentagon of
some kind, and yet he in these

1309
02:00:56,720 --> 02:01:02,159
programs that he's done, he feigns
surprise at some of the UFO reports and

1310
02:01:02,199 --> 02:01:05,159
what have you, you know,
as if he doesn't know what you know,

1311
02:01:06,239 --> 02:01:09,359
really, you know, it's just
that, you know, I mean,

1312
02:01:09,600 --> 02:01:14,000
it's absolute bloody nonsense. You couldn't
be part of the job that he

1313
02:01:14,159 --> 02:01:17,680
did. Without knowing everything virtually there
is to know about about this yet,

1314
02:01:18,000 --> 02:01:24,399
you know. Yeah. So,
but at the same time, he's gradually

1315
02:01:24,439 --> 02:01:29,680
introducing the subject to a wider audience. And I'm quite sure that that is

1316
02:01:29,840 --> 02:01:33,279
what the plan is, Yeah,
because people are going to have to get

1317
02:01:33,359 --> 02:01:38,000
used to the idea that we are
not alone. And I don't think it's

1318
02:01:38,039 --> 02:01:42,560
going to be many years before it
happens. Yeah, so there's the Yeah.

1319
02:01:43,199 --> 02:01:46,319
So in a way, really really, David Grush sort of backs up

1320
02:01:46,359 --> 02:01:50,039
really the claims that we had,
you know, back in eighty nine from

1321
02:01:50,319 --> 02:01:58,840
Bobblazar working an area fall facility on
back engineering UFOs and everything. Absolutely absolutely.

1322
02:01:59,720 --> 02:02:01,840
Yeah. I never doubted Bob for
a moment. Yeah. Yeah,

1323
02:02:01,880 --> 02:02:09,239
I mean I rewatched an interview that
he did with Joe Rogan about four years

1324
02:02:09,279 --> 02:02:13,359
ago. Oh yeah, and I
think around this time he had just been

1325
02:02:13,439 --> 02:02:18,119
featured in a film with the guy
that's made a film my Rome. Forget

1326
02:02:18,119 --> 02:02:24,479
his name now, but it's called
Bob Bazaar and UFOs or Flying Saucers or

1327
02:02:24,520 --> 02:02:28,640
something. Yeah. But you know, he talks about his experience of going

1328
02:02:28,680 --> 02:02:30,800
into the Sorcerer and everything like that, and yeah, he's a description of

1329
02:02:30,840 --> 02:02:35,119
it and when you're watching him,
and he's talking in more detail than he

1330
02:02:35,159 --> 02:02:40,520
ever did, maybe back in eighty
nine, because he's got maybe more use

1331
02:02:40,560 --> 02:02:44,680
to the idea of talking about it. I guess. He talks about how

1332
02:02:44,760 --> 02:02:47,800
everything is almost there's no sharp edges
to any of it inside the UFO,

1333
02:02:48,000 --> 02:02:50,319
not the one that he saw anyway. Yeah, he said, it's almost

1334
02:02:50,399 --> 02:02:55,159
like you took her whole wall and
just melted it like candle wax, and

1335
02:02:55,199 --> 02:02:59,960
everything's smooth and merged into the other
thing. There's no real control panel,

1336
02:03:00,439 --> 02:03:03,159
he said, but there was like
a central column which went up and he

1337
02:03:03,199 --> 02:03:06,159
said it almost poked out the top
of the craft. Yeah. Yeah,

1338
02:03:06,359 --> 02:03:10,159
Aeriel, I'm saying an aerial,
but it may not be an aeral.

1339
02:03:11,720 --> 02:03:17,840
They played that clip to this other
high brow astrophysicist guy who's retired, but

1340
02:03:17,880 --> 02:03:21,600
he's written like three hundred papers and
sorts of things on dark matter and black

1341
02:03:21,600 --> 02:03:28,199
holes and everything. That's to get
the guy's name, Rudy Randy, I

1342
02:03:28,239 --> 02:03:32,439
don't know where his name is.
And he was basically giving the thumbs up

1343
02:03:32,479 --> 02:03:36,359
from his scientists perspective. Oh yeah, and he said a lot. He's

1344
02:03:36,439 --> 02:03:42,479
clearly talking. He was saying about
the brain of the UFO, and he's

1345
02:03:42,520 --> 02:03:46,039
saying it has two flight modes,
one to go through space at super whatever

1346
02:03:46,079 --> 02:03:49,960
speed they go at, and then
in another mode to travel through the atmosphere.

1347
02:03:49,960 --> 02:03:53,439
And that's where you get falling lever
Beck and stuff. You know.

1348
02:03:53,479 --> 02:03:57,159
Well, yeah, yeah, And
this was just a regular astrophysicist talking as

1349
02:03:57,199 --> 02:04:00,560
if, yeah, UFOs are real. And it's interesting because normally you'd have

1350
02:04:00,640 --> 02:04:05,399
your Patrick more astronomers in your flying
Cox's denial. There's no such thing as

1351
02:04:05,399 --> 02:04:09,840
aliens blah blah blah blah, you
know, and yet here is this guy,

1352
02:04:10,239 --> 02:04:13,920
a regular astronomer who's got loads of
letters after his name, I guess,

1353
02:04:14,279 --> 02:04:17,479
yeah, and backing up Bob Blaza, which I found was crazy but

1354
02:04:17,600 --> 02:04:24,720
amazing and reassuring. Yeah, I'm
thinking that, you know, Bob has

1355
02:04:24,760 --> 02:04:29,279
been allowed to say what he's been
saying. If they didn't want him to

1356
02:04:29,920 --> 02:04:34,319
talk, they would have shut him
up. You know, they did try

1357
02:04:34,399 --> 02:04:40,600
that. They so somebody tried to
look up his credentials, and whatever agency

1358
02:04:40,720 --> 02:04:44,920
or military organization that he was meant
to be part of basically came back.

1359
02:04:44,920 --> 02:04:46,560
He said, no, we have
no record of him whatsoever. Well,

1360
02:04:47,000 --> 02:04:50,159
it's a bit like Larry Warren isn't
it. With the Rendolssoon Forest case,

1361
02:04:50,199 --> 02:04:56,239
they tried to say that he wasn't
there, you know, that he'd not

1362
02:04:56,399 --> 02:05:02,039
been, you know, based at
rendolsom Are on the the night of the

1363
02:05:02,159 --> 02:05:06,920
well, on the few nights of
the of the major UFO sightings there.

1364
02:05:08,239 --> 02:05:14,319
Yeah. Yes, but that's kind
of that's kind of gentle stuff, isn't

1365
02:05:14,319 --> 02:05:17,359
it. Really? You know,
it's not like somebody coming around to your

1366
02:05:17,399 --> 02:05:21,119
front door with a gun. You
know, I'm blowing your head off,

1367
02:05:21,159 --> 02:05:24,800
you know that? Yeah, you
know that that would that would be shotting

1368
02:05:24,840 --> 02:05:28,199
you up. The word The wording
was interesting because they said they have no

1369
02:05:28,359 --> 02:05:30,159
record of him, but that doesn't
mean that they weren't records because they could

1370
02:05:30,159 --> 02:05:32,920
have shredded them. So they could
be telling the truth when they're saying they

1371
02:05:32,960 --> 02:05:38,239
have no records because they shredded Yeah. Yeah, yeah, absolutely, yeah

1372
02:05:38,399 --> 02:05:45,479
yeah yeah, so yes, So
crop circles are very important. Indeed,

1373
02:05:45,199 --> 02:05:54,000
I just mentioned that with with Roy
he was involved Criiche Be early nineties.

1374
02:05:54,039 --> 02:06:02,239
I think with Pat Delgado and Colin
they did. I think it was Operation

1375
02:06:02,479 --> 02:06:09,039
Blackbird. I think they and with
the BBC, with the BBC and the

1376
02:06:09,239 --> 02:06:15,800
Army as well. I think they
were using special equipment and everything, you

1377
02:06:15,840 --> 02:06:21,319
know, and in the end Colin
was made to look a bit silly because

1378
02:06:21,920 --> 02:06:27,000
some kind of hoax thing was found
in you know, below them, in

1379
02:06:27,039 --> 02:06:30,319
the in the field sort of thing. Yeah, but I think it was

1380
02:06:30,439 --> 02:06:40,840
all a set up actually, And
what what I do believe is that while

1381
02:06:41,159 --> 02:06:48,359
the Operation Blackbird was taking place miles
away from Silbury Hill and Abury and the

1382
02:06:48,359 --> 02:06:58,439
Pusy Veil, the Army were actually
mounting a surveillance operation because they were monitoring

1383
02:06:58,479 --> 02:07:04,000
the activities of the et and they
wanted all the crop Circle people out of

1384
02:07:04,039 --> 02:07:11,279
the way, right, so they
got them to do this Operation Blackbird thing,

1385
02:07:12,319 --> 02:07:15,840
right, which they were delighted to
do because they thought, no,

1386
02:07:15,840 --> 02:07:19,079
now we've got all the equipment,
we can actually catch the UFOs making these

1387
02:07:19,119 --> 02:07:24,880
things, you know. But in
actual fact I think they were it was,

1388
02:07:25,720 --> 02:07:29,039
you know, it was a ploy
to get them, get them away

1389
02:07:29,159 --> 02:07:33,199
from the real area of you know, of what's really going on, because

1390
02:07:33,199 --> 02:07:39,039
that's where the alien bases are for
sure, you know. So I wondered

1391
02:07:39,079 --> 02:07:44,840
why they decided to do Operation Blackbird
over it's like a few weeks or nights,

1392
02:07:44,880 --> 02:07:46,199
like our three weeks or something like
that. Yeah, I wonder why

1393
02:07:46,239 --> 02:07:51,359
they did. The Army decided to
do a countermeasure operation like twenty miles away

1394
02:07:51,880 --> 02:07:58,920
around the same time when they got
their supposed legit army with the equipment actually

1395
02:07:59,000 --> 02:08:03,159
at the where Yeah, Andrews wasn't
it was just like a magician's slight of

1396
02:08:03,159 --> 02:08:07,279
hand, you know, over here, look over we're here. Yeah,

1397
02:08:07,399 --> 02:08:09,560
yeah, a bit of a honey
trap for the crop circle people, yeah

1398
02:08:11,000 --> 02:08:13,560
and everything, yeah, absolutely,
yeah, sure, yeah sure. And

1399
02:08:13,600 --> 02:08:16,000
so for those people don't know,
I think you could probably find it on

1400
02:08:16,039 --> 02:08:20,199
YouTube. Maybe you could watch it
in a series of evenings. But yeah,

1401
02:08:20,319 --> 02:08:24,479
for the original crop circle people were
there, Colin Andrews, Pat Delgados,

1402
02:08:24,880 --> 02:08:30,439
Taylor, I presume. And so
I think, like you said,

1403
02:08:30,479 --> 02:08:33,520
on the second night, they suddenly
found a crop circle, and that's when

1404
02:08:33,600 --> 02:08:39,359
Doug and Dave supposedly, yeah,
that they were responsible. I've got a

1405
02:08:39,359 --> 02:08:45,600
feeling they found a Oiji board a
Wija board in the crop circle, didn't

1406
02:08:46,199 --> 02:08:50,800
Yeah, they were just taking the
person basically, yeah, yeah, yeah,

1407
02:08:50,920 --> 02:08:52,680
and he thought it was a genuine
one. And then as soon as

1408
02:08:52,680 --> 02:08:58,640
they they but actually it was these
guys then so closed, case closed.

1409
02:08:58,640 --> 02:09:18,760
It's all fake and you lot of
all been had sort of absolutely, it

1410
02:09:18,840 --> 02:09:24,800
seems to be that this is a
well programmed and coordinated pope. It's funny

1411
02:09:24,840 --> 02:09:30,960
for about sixty seconds, and then
I find it very very sad. Genuine

1412
02:09:31,079 --> 02:09:35,920
formations were popping up every day.
Patter and Colin decided to call in experts

1413
02:09:35,960 --> 02:09:37,920
from the BBC. I'm quite certain, I mean, I'm still in touch

1414
02:09:37,960 --> 02:09:46,680
with Colin in a roundabout way,
and I'm quite certain that he had a

1415
02:09:46,960 --> 02:09:50,760
people had a word in his ear, you know, and he knew there

1416
02:09:50,840 --> 02:09:54,239
was I think he knows a great
deal more than what he's what he's what

1417
02:09:54,319 --> 02:10:01,880
he said, you know, and
and so he kind of went quiet,

1418
02:10:01,920 --> 02:10:05,960
I think, but maybe he was
threatened, and I think he was actually

1419
02:10:07,560 --> 02:10:11,399
I just think that's why he now
lives in America. It's entirely possible,

1420
02:10:11,439 --> 02:10:15,279
isn't it. Yeah, I did. I looked at his website whilst I

1421
02:10:15,359 --> 02:10:16,640
was writing my chapter on crop circles. I thought, yeah, I go

1422
02:10:16,720 --> 02:10:20,800
to the one of the main men
that's yeah been there, yeah, and

1423
02:10:20,199 --> 02:10:24,760
there's got a lot of information on
there. He's living in America. So

1424
02:10:24,880 --> 02:10:26,560
I did the email him and sort
of lead a message for his website and

1425
02:10:26,600 --> 02:10:31,000
say, would you be interested I
was still give an interviews and he says,

1426
02:10:31,039 --> 02:10:33,800
thanks very much, but no,
he said, respectfully, I'll have

1427
02:10:33,840 --> 02:10:39,119
to leave it then. So but
yeah, I wonder how because he's retired

1428
02:10:39,239 --> 02:10:43,800
or something like that. And then
the circle makers through their website took the

1429
02:10:43,960 --> 02:10:48,439
mickey out of him a little bit, yeah, saying always he's hard up

1430
02:10:48,439 --> 02:10:52,800
for funds. Well, you can
always do create fake crop circles like we

1431
02:10:52,880 --> 02:10:56,319
do or something like that, you
know. Yeah, yeah, it's a

1432
02:10:56,560 --> 02:11:01,960
it's a shame really because both him
and Pat uh and Busty you know,

1433
02:11:01,079 --> 02:11:07,079
were heart and soul into trying to
find out what was really going on.

1434
02:11:07,720 --> 02:11:15,279
And I think they probably did,
you know, find find more than you

1435
02:11:15,279 --> 02:11:20,159
know what we've been told kind of
thing. Pat Delgado was a special guy.

1436
02:11:20,520 --> 02:11:24,960
Actually, he was an actual a
rocket scientist, I think, really,

1437
02:11:24,359 --> 02:11:30,479
oh cricky. Yeah, but he
was also a healer I found a

1438
02:11:30,600 --> 02:11:35,399
very good one too, because he
was also friends with my friend James Millan

1439
02:11:37,399 --> 02:11:41,680
I mentioned earlier, who came across
the military going into that crop circle.

1440
02:11:43,359 --> 02:11:50,279
Well, James had an illness of
some kind and James and Paps spoke on

1441
02:11:50,319 --> 02:11:54,119
the phone and perhaps said, would
you like me to give you some healing,

1442
02:11:54,439 --> 02:11:56,720
and he said, can you do
it from there? And he said,

1443
02:11:56,720 --> 02:12:01,319
oh yes, and he and he
gave him feeling and it worked.

1444
02:12:01,039 --> 02:12:05,880
So there was more to Pat than
met the eye. I have a lot

1445
02:12:05,920 --> 02:12:11,439
of respect for him actually, and
for Colin actually, you know, they

1446
02:12:11,479 --> 02:12:16,039
took a lot of flak. Yeah, but if it wasn't for them,

1447
02:12:16,119 --> 02:12:18,960
the crop circle thing wouldn't be so
well, not really, because they were

1448
02:12:18,039 --> 02:12:22,840
right in the pioneering books, wasn't
they Absolutely, And you know, I

1449
02:12:22,880 --> 02:12:28,159
count myself very fortunate that I was
there, you know, you know,

1450
02:12:28,520 --> 02:12:33,920
from I don't know, late nineties
through to all about twenty eighteen, really

1451
02:12:33,680 --> 02:12:39,399
nearly every year, well every year
I did go down and I've spent a

1452
02:12:39,479 --> 02:12:46,399
month on some occasions down there.
I've been in hundreds of crop circles and

1453
02:12:46,239 --> 02:12:52,359
we were part of that period.
It was appearing in history that maybe will

1454
02:12:52,359 --> 02:12:56,800
never be repeated again. You know, you know the feelings of everybody.

1455
02:12:58,199 --> 02:13:03,239
We all knew each other, you
know, we'd meet up together at you

1456
02:13:03,279 --> 02:13:13,399
know, the crop circle cafe,
you know, and share experiences and you

1457
02:13:13,439 --> 02:13:18,319
know, exchange ideas. It was
a wonderful period of time. Yeah,

1458
02:13:18,600 --> 02:13:22,399
so, oh crikey, it was
just marvelous marvelous. Well, I said

1459
02:13:22,439 --> 02:13:28,720
to my wife this year, because
I've sort of renewed my interesting crop circles.

1460
02:13:28,760 --> 02:13:31,560
I've always had a mire interesting,
yeah, but I've not done research

1461
02:13:31,680 --> 02:13:35,520
like you guys. But because I
had to write a chapter on crop circles,

1462
02:13:35,520 --> 02:13:39,079
I've kind of renewed my interest in
And I thought, well, we're

1463
02:13:39,119 --> 02:13:41,119
coming up to the summer now,
so I said to my wife. Now

1464
02:13:41,119 --> 02:13:43,439
I'm living indoors, I can get
up to we'll share maybe an hour and

1465
02:13:43,479 --> 02:13:48,159
a half or something. I said, you fancy coming up and we'll check

1466
02:13:48,159 --> 02:13:50,520
out some crop circles if they are
pitched. Yeah, okay, So I'm

1467
02:13:50,600 --> 02:13:54,640
hoping that I can, you know, check something out in the summer.

1468
02:13:54,800 --> 02:13:58,640
So yeah, I might meet you
at the cafe. You never know,

1469
02:13:58,800 --> 02:14:03,119
you never know where. I have
been invited to go down later this year.

1470
02:14:03,920 --> 02:14:05,800
So whether I can tear myself away
from the bowling, I don't know.

1471
02:14:07,760 --> 02:14:11,079
We'll bring your bowling balls down in
the field and you can create a

1472
02:14:11,119 --> 02:14:16,239
new starle of crop circle just bowling
it through and yeah, yeah, be

1473
02:14:16,319 --> 02:14:20,439
a bit different from Dug and Dave, but I've seen them. I've seen

1474
02:14:20,520 --> 02:14:24,319
where they've made crop circle with with
wheels and tires with wheels. Yeah,

1475
02:14:24,600 --> 02:14:28,560
we still have the tire on.
Yeah, they'd tire tie this on with

1476
02:14:30,520 --> 02:14:35,239
tire rope to it and swing it
round and the way just weight of the

1477
02:14:35,279 --> 02:14:41,119
wheel would would make the make the
crop circle. Ah. Interesting, it's

1478
02:14:41,159 --> 02:14:46,720
a different tactics. But you do
you think or well, it might have

1479
02:14:48,039 --> 02:14:52,760
puzzled us a little bit, except
for the fact that they left two of

1480
02:14:52,800 --> 02:14:56,640
the wheels behind. One of them
one of them was in actually inside one

1481
02:14:56,640 --> 02:15:00,760
of the crop circles, and the
other one they'd wheel off to the side

1482
02:15:00,760 --> 02:15:05,399
of the field dumped and dumped it. Yeah, and the two two knackers

1483
02:15:05,439 --> 02:15:11,479
to carry them home most have been
Yeah, that was in a crop circle

1484
02:15:11,560 --> 02:15:16,840
below with a pusy white horse.
Oh yeah, pusing it's out. You

1485
02:15:16,840 --> 02:15:20,760
know, it's magical all the area. The interesting thing is, I'll just

1486
02:15:20,760 --> 02:15:22,920
say is before we close, we've
only got about five minutes. There was

1487
02:15:24,479 --> 02:15:31,560
a very lovely lady called Carol Cochrane
who has done some information. I first

1488
02:15:31,560 --> 02:15:37,560
saw her at the UFO Academy some
years ago and we interviewed her Ben and

1489
02:15:37,600 --> 02:15:41,239
I on on video and also got
to do a talk at my Iowa comparanoral

1490
02:15:41,279 --> 02:15:46,439
group that I ran a few years
back, and she's got this very interesting

1491
02:15:46,560 --> 02:15:54,199
kind of I don't know what you
called it, a practice scheme or ability.

1492
02:15:54,560 --> 02:15:58,279
Where she based it, I think
it was on Linda Goodman's something rather

1493
02:15:58,800 --> 02:16:05,079
from her books, where you take
the name of the town or the village,

1494
02:16:05,119 --> 02:16:09,600
the crop circle appears in autun barns, and you do kind of anagrams

1495
02:16:09,600 --> 02:16:13,800
of it and take the names and
things, and eventually, with a bit

1496
02:16:13,800 --> 02:16:18,399
of sort of sensitivity and insight and
telepathy or something, you come up with

1497
02:16:18,479 --> 02:16:22,880
different names of what the messages mean. It's almost like the aliens eaties will

1498
02:16:22,880 --> 02:16:26,960
put a crop circle in a name
with a certain town name, and you'll

1499
02:16:28,000 --> 02:16:31,399
come up with messages associate with it. I don't know what you think of

1500
02:16:31,399 --> 02:16:33,280
that, but it's just something a
thought throughout. I can't really say.

1501
02:16:33,319 --> 02:16:39,719
I don't know, but I was
told by my friend to day that the

1502
02:16:39,879 --> 02:16:45,319
crop circles are a means, the
genuine ones, a means of introducing energy

1503
02:16:45,440 --> 02:16:50,719
into the lay line grid system right
right, and the different patterns allow for

1504
02:16:50,840 --> 02:16:58,559
different frequencies of energy to be infused. M that's what he told me straight

1505
02:16:58,600 --> 02:17:03,879
out. A bit like a version
of doing acupuncture on Mother Earth. Maybe,

1506
02:17:03,000 --> 02:17:07,600
yes, yes, absolutely. There's
a lot of important buildings and churches

1507
02:17:07,680 --> 02:17:11,520
built on lay lines as well.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely.

1508
02:17:11,280 --> 02:17:16,040
And that energy, of course is
essential for all life on earth. It's

1509
02:17:16,079 --> 02:17:22,639
what invigorates life. And I've got
proof of that as well. But that's

1510
02:17:22,680 --> 02:17:26,280
another story. The names thing,
Neil, there is a slight danger that

1511
02:17:26,319 --> 02:17:31,040
people can read into and find what
they want kind of thing. Yeah,

1512
02:17:31,239 --> 02:17:33,040
yeah, because you could give it
to anybody who would come up with a

1513
02:17:33,079 --> 02:17:39,879
different name or message or something like
that. Where we would find that very

1514
02:17:39,879 --> 02:17:46,120
often with crop circles, whereby you
would get a crop circle and it was

1515
02:17:46,280 --> 02:17:52,440
very clearly linked to a new scientific
discovery that's just been announced somewhere. So

1516
02:17:52,879 --> 02:17:58,159
ah, so they would they would
make a crop circle that had a connection

1517
02:17:58,280 --> 02:18:01,639
with that, and then people would
say, oh, the etis are trying

1518
02:18:01,639 --> 02:18:07,079
to tell us about this this information. But it wasn't. It was just

1519
02:18:07,159 --> 02:18:13,239
the clever hoaxes using it to fool
people, they say, And they did

1520
02:18:13,319 --> 02:18:18,760
it. They did it time after
time after time. There was one there

1521
02:18:18,799 --> 02:18:28,840
was one crop circle at Averbury I
remember, which was it was connected in

1522
02:18:28,959 --> 02:18:41,760
appearance with the work that a Japanese
scientist had been doing with water. Wasn't

1523
02:18:41,760 --> 02:18:46,040
it Immoto, that's the guy.
That's the guy. And and so they

1524
02:18:46,239 --> 02:18:52,120
so that the hoaxes made this crop
circle which had this connection with what he

1525
02:18:52,159 --> 02:18:56,799
was doing, and it was it
was clearly a man made formation, so

1526
02:18:56,840 --> 02:19:01,000
we knew that it was people that
had done it, not the ets.

1527
02:19:01,399 --> 02:19:09,120
But they used this new site stuff
that's new in the in this scientific literature.

1528
02:19:09,840 --> 02:19:16,760
They often do it with uh,
you know, certain alignments of the

1529
02:19:16,799 --> 02:19:20,920
planets that were coming, you know, and so they draw something like that

1530
02:19:22,040 --> 02:19:26,600
on the ground. Uh And and
people would say, oh, it's obviously

1531
02:19:26,840 --> 02:19:30,319
telling us that Venus is doing this, that and the other. You know,

1532
02:19:30,760 --> 02:19:35,200
something special is going to happen.
No, you know, people were

1533
02:19:35,280 --> 02:19:43,559
so keen to to believe that that
they were all real h that they stopped

1534
02:19:43,639 --> 02:19:50,760
using their discernment. Say yeah,
it's it's worth worth sort of double checking

1535
02:19:50,760 --> 02:19:56,479
yourself on these things in case you
kind of your enthusiasm runs away with itself

1536
02:19:56,520 --> 02:20:01,239
sort of thing. I think that
kind of proves that even though I tell

1537
02:20:01,280 --> 02:20:05,120
you that I have these connections with
ets and have done all my life,

1538
02:20:05,319 --> 02:20:11,760
I'm still very skeptical about yeah things, I have to find the proof and

1539
02:20:11,799 --> 02:20:15,479
the evidence. I don't Yeah,
I don't take anything at face value at

1540
02:20:15,479 --> 02:20:20,399
all. Yeah, so that's a
good good thing to do, right,

1541
02:20:20,440 --> 02:20:24,559
I think with coming up to the
end now of the Paranormal Peep Show.

1542
02:20:24,680 --> 02:20:26,719
So before we go, Robert,
is there anything you'd like to say?

1543
02:20:26,879 --> 02:20:31,120
I mean, I know your website
is not running anymore, but no,

1544
02:20:31,319 --> 02:20:33,280
you have a YouTube channel or anything
like that that people could check out or

1545
02:20:33,319 --> 02:20:41,479
anything. I've got various different bits
of film that I've done which are not

1546
02:20:41,600 --> 02:20:45,760
related to this kind of thing,
you know, which I've got on there,

1547
02:20:45,799 --> 02:20:48,520
you know, like a walk around
Rudyard Lake or right, and galloping

1548
02:20:48,600 --> 02:20:52,639
horses in the field and stuff we
needed, Robert, what we need is

1549
02:20:52,639 --> 02:20:58,399
a dedicated crop circle channel that you're
going to create. And yeah, or

1550
02:21:00,040 --> 02:21:07,399
future generations, well, I must
say it is important historical information, yes,

1551
02:21:07,440 --> 02:21:09,440
because otherwise it gets lost, It
gets lost in the ether. And

1552
02:21:09,600 --> 02:21:13,159
you know, if people listen to
this video saying ten twenty thirty, forty

1553
02:21:13,239 --> 02:21:16,639
fifty years time, if we're still
alive, or if future generations are still

1554
02:21:16,639 --> 02:21:20,120
alive, we haven't wiped each other
out with nuclear war, people want to

1555
02:21:20,159 --> 02:21:24,879
say, will probably be saying to
themselves, where's the resources? Where's the

1556
02:21:24,920 --> 02:21:31,360
resources? So let's give them resources
for the future. I will put a

1557
02:21:31,399 --> 02:21:33,959
link out to the Rich Planet program
you both appeared in, you and David

1558
02:21:35,000 --> 02:21:37,680
Caten. Oh yeah yeah, And
we'll take a few clips to tantalizing the

1559
02:21:37,719 --> 02:21:43,040
introduced people to the work of Roy
Dutton and yourselves and what you've done that

1560
02:21:43,120 --> 02:21:46,000
and they can obviously look at what
you and David have done in more detail

1561
02:21:46,079 --> 02:21:50,079
by listening to those interviews. That's
something for people to listen out to.

1562
02:21:50,680 --> 02:21:54,600
So thank you very very much once
again for joining us and sharing your wonderful

1563
02:21:54,600 --> 02:22:01,440
wisdom and your experiences. It's been
absolutely fascinating two hours. I've only regretfully

1564
02:22:01,440 --> 02:22:05,760
say we've got to finish the show. So thank you, Robert, and

1565
02:22:05,079 --> 02:22:09,319
thank you to everyone for listening to
us on the parall Pea Show. So

1566
02:22:09,360 --> 02:22:13,120
it's good night for myself, Neil, and and good night for me Andy,

1567
02:22:13,399 --> 02:22:18,159
and good night me Robert. All
right, catchur next time on the

1568
02:22:18,239 --> 02:23:01,159
paranorl Peep Show. Good Night,
good night everybody. You may like to

1569
02:23:01,200 --> 02:23:05,520
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1570
02:23:05,680 --> 02:23:15,000
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1571
02:23:15,440 --> 02:23:20,239
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1572
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