You're listening to the Paranormal UK Radio Network and now it's time for the Paranormal
Peep Show. Hi folks, you're listening to the Parallel Peep Show with myself,
Andy Chaplin and Neil Ward. Tail's things. Neil, well, I'm
very well, thank you Andy, I nearly said Ben. But that's because
we've had last time show. Yeah, yeah, you're get in there.
When you're going, it's almost like the Blues Brothers again together. Yeah,
the Twins. But yeah, I've been invited to attend a Druid ceremony in
Stonehenge in the middle of the month. The well, not quite. It's
the fifteenth of June, and so this is the Druids of Dorset. I
think they've got a special name, but I con'trad like that. Yeah,
it's not actually not as long as it's the equinox. I was thinking of
maybe maybe I never know when these things happen. I shouldn't do really.
But so basically, the guy that bay hand fasting cake, he's a baker
by trade, but he's also a druid and he pops around from time to
time with three loads of bread because he's a baker, which is rather nice
or handmade and whatnot. And he said, would you like to come to
Stonehenge? My wife and I to go and have a Druid blessing a Stonehenge.
And so basically it involves us all going off the Stonehenge about eighty people.
And we said, well, we have to pay to get and he
says, no, it's all free. They do it with English heritage.
And because the Druids they get in free. Must be some religious arrangement,
I guess. And everyone's got to dress up in sort of druidy clothes now,
because we had a hand faster where we dressed in kind of esterial Lord
of the Rings inspired clothing. We're going to wear that and hopefully that will
be because I haven't really got an off the shelf druid outfit, but we're
going to have to drink it. Less have been to druids on us then,
obviously not really. No, I don't shot there enough. Really.
I know they did some good bargains, you know, they'll start some ones
and stuff. Yeah, we're having a Druid blessing. I don't know quite
what that entails, but it sounds interesting. But we'll be amongst the stones
we're not allowed to climb on them or touch them or anything like that.
And the last time I was allowed to go into the stones was about thirty
plus years ago as part of the paging group then that I used to help
them, and and you can. This is the thing that a lot of
people know about, so it might be worth it if you're watching. Not
a lot of people know this that if you get a group of I think
it's like twenty five people around that amount of people or more, you can
contact English Heritage and say I'd like to book a private religious ceremony something like
that at Stonehenge, and they have to do that by some sort of law.
So you either go at eight o'clock in the morning before it's open to
the public, or six pm when it's shut to the public. But for
some reason, our blessing with the Druids is at like midday or one o'clock.
I can't understand how that's happened, but that's what's happening. So that's
something we're looking forward to. So yeah, a units to their English Heritage.
I get a come down with twenty five of Barbaites and they had a
nice little cocktail party, all right, it's a religious cocktail party, but
a cocktail party. Go do this, all right, And when you go
into the stones, if you ever get the opportunity to go amongst the stones,
if you look closely at the base of them, you'll see bits of
them being held up by concrete. That's because so maybe one hundred and fifty
two hundred years ago, maybe even for the match, the local vicar gave
the local people permission to chip bits of the stone away to use in their
houses, you know, to help eld their own home. Why did you
do that? That's insane. I know, it's insane, isn't it.
It's obviously wasn't protected then. They but even back then the stones were actually
all fallen down. It was only English heritage and like nineteen hundred and twenty
nineteen fifteen oconomies at yet they actually I think they tried to do it twice.
Now that you erect the stones and there's actually photographs you've gone search online
of them erecting the stones again. You know, I was going to say
the nicety fifties that she took them away to clean them. Did they really?
Yeah, Niki, because a lot of people date that because the idea
is that people thought that the stones were exactly how they were, you know,
for hundreds or thousands of years whenever it is. But no, not
really, they were taken away. They were cleaning in the nineteen half and
then taken back and plump back a big car wash or something. Yeah,
on a flatbed truck. I've got my cat then now then yeah, Now
that's interesting because I met Mark and irone of the Parallel UK radio network,
they're the people that run the station, and I met them a pub at
the just outside stone Nge. I met Mark irone for a drink after their
visit to Stonehenge. Mark had a visit there and we started talking about Avebury,
which is another famous stone circle also in the area, about twenty miles
away. And again a lot of those stones were flattened and they resurrected them
and pulled them back up. And why one of them when they brought it
up, they found a skeleton of what they thought was of the Linch barber
because they found him in a leather apron and they found like a pair of
glasses and also an old razor in his leather pouch or something. I mean
obviously meant that when he was crushed because they tried to lift these stones in
the Middle Ages and this stone fell on him, and so they didn't have
a barber for a few years. So no one had a haircut for a
few years in Avebury around the fifteen hundreds. But it's very interesting, very
interesting what you've been up to anyway, What have I been up to?
Mostly work? So we're trying out psychic suppers now I can't yeah, if
I mentioned that, because I missed the last couple of times I was on
here for various reasons out and about. So yes, tune in events.
If people want to go to tune events on Facebook or Instagram or YouTube,
you'll find us. So he started off doing one to ones many many years
ago. That was okay, then drifted into kind of one to one with
group sessions, and now we're doing one to one with group sessions and the
psychic sup with it as well as the people can eat their food and they
can have readings at the same time. That's going quite well. That's going
years. It's beginning to pick up quite nicely. And yeah, eventually I'd
quite like to do kind of audience based things with like big audiences in theaters
and stuff like that kind of Tony Stockwell style. So if there's any big
promoters or agents out there that are looking for mediums and clevoidance to go out
and do fun things, I are available. Contact the show. I feel
like you could probably higher diesels, you know, but they probably want a
massive depositors on the line. Yeah, it seems it seems to be Neil
that you can only really get the theater gigs if you've done TV work or
your famous like this. It's kind of like if you manage to get a
TV slot in some way, like Tony Stockwell kind of started off with Street
c like it. Colin Frye had sixth sense, Derek Acre had predictions.
If you get your foot in the door, that seems springboard, you you
know, to the to the bigger theaters and stuff, and you know,
by that time you're laughing. I've done Midsummer Murders, but it's not really
kind of the psychic work. Doing the psychic work. It's kind of background
stuff. So I don't know. I almost almost ended up doing something for
what was it, something boys? It's a YouTube group, I come remember
what they were called. So I almost got that gig. But I was
undercut by something who would do it, which needs to be the way these
days. So yeah, that was that was That was an almost but I
don't know, there might be other stuff that's coming on. He was compelled.
Yeah, there was a really good meeting we saw about three months ago
down in Weymouth and he used like a working men's club a bit. It
was packed out and he was really good. This guy, I never heard
of him before. Jane's something other and you know, he was taught to
this girl and he said, I know that you've got a tattoo and she
goes yeah, and he says, and you've got ashes of your father mixed
into the tattoo and she goes, yeah, that's right, and you can't
absolutely absolute. And then on the same table he said to the lady,
and you've got a yellow snake, haven't you. Yeah he goes, yeah,
that's right. You know, absolutely specific stuff you could not. Yeah,
there's none of this sort of cold reading blarkey with it. It means
absolutely bang on you. And I have a rebuke from people who kind of
say, oh, it's just researchers going on to YouTube, you know,
social media or stuff and kind of researching people, and you know, can
you imagine the logistics of that. So, say you've got like two hundred
people coming to an event, how many people, how much information and how
many people's information would you have to memorize then and then kind of like go
up and stage and remember it to the right people. And then what happens
if the person that you've whose information that you've memorized doesn't turn up for whatever
reason? Yeah, you spent an hour memorizing bits of their life. And
it would have to be like a learning a script. You'd have to because
you can't just like look at it once. It be like learning a script
for like a movie. You'd have to kind of memory go over, don't
get it wrong. You have to kind of like know exactly who you're going
to with the information. The logistics of it is just an absolute nightmare.
I'm not saying that, you know, Victorian Charlatan's didn't do that, but
I could tell you that we don't do that. I don't and I ain't
got time, and I can't be bothered. Yeah that's right, you're too
busy putting the posters up. Yeah, time to rid your lines and yeah,
yeah, I've come to the conclusion actually that with doing my events,
I seem to be too much of a manager. I'm too much organizing it
and trying to sell tickets and trying to organize readers and stuff like that,
and I've kind of slipped away from actually doing it, and I need to
be doing it, So I kind of need I kind of like need like
an agent or somebody to kind of like say, we'll take care of all
the marketing and ticket sales. You just turn up and just do Yeah.
So anyway, Yeah, a little shout out to anyone who help with that.
Yeah, nice little job there for anybody. Probably get a free reading
from Anda and his college. But yeah, that reminds me a bit of
the the Dondalston Dondalston what was it, Dondalston Computer writings of the Medieval times.
I was a guy in Doddleston, which is on the Welsh border,
back in the eighties, and I've written about this in my book. And
he was a teacher and he brought an early BBC micro computer a to learn
it so he could then teach the kids it. And also there was someone
in his house that was trying to write comedy scripts for the BBC to get
a green card, And so she was having her first attempt at like writing
scripts on her first ever word processor in about nineteen eighty four, and they
started weirdly to get strange messages coming through on it that appeared to be coming
from a guy from around the time of Henry the Eighth called Lucas, and
he was writing in this sort of what they called early Modern English, not
Old English, early modern English. That he was using dust thou haw a
horse and stuff like that, right, and all that sort of stuff.
And this guy was accused of making up even though there was having poltergeist activity
around the whole thing, like chairs moving and getting stacked up in one corner,
and tins of cap who getting stacked up one on the other. This
guy was a qus of somehow making it up and doing it through an early
type of internet. When he said there was no internet around nineteen eighty four.
And he said, and even if I had a kind of a modem,
a dial up modem, and the person that was also messaged in me
had a dial up modem him alone, he said, he estimated in today's
costs, it would cost him about eighty seven thousand outs in dialuct costs,
and he said, why would I go such an expense for a hoax?
You know? I think that was on a strange but true, wasn't it,
Neil? That's right, yeah, or fascinating one of those shows.
One of those shows. I think it was the Carol Warderman one, which
is her version of it, and that's where I first heard of it in
the nineties. But yeah, the Dondalson messages in a book called The Vertu
the Vertical Plane. I think it's called Who Have It Here? Yeah,
for anyone that's interested the Vertical Play, very very good book, worth a
read if anyone's into that sort of stuff. Anyway, I think it's about
time we brought our guest on. Yeah, so welcome once more to a
returning guest to the Paranormal Peak show. We last had him one of that
a year ago, I think is mister Robert Holst. Hello Robert, Hello,
Hello guys, Hello, welcome back, Robert, and good to see
you, and how are you? Very very well? Thank you. I'm
a keen Crown Green bowler these days. I joined a club last year the
beginning of last year, and these days I'm playing about four matches a week.
For the club. Wow, so I'm quite busy today. I've had
a day off. I played a match last night and managed to win twenty
one fourteen. I've got two matches on Thursday and another match on Friday.
So it's a great game and I highly recommend it to anyone who is,
you know, looking for a sporting activity that's not too strenuous, but will
will keep them fit and will we'll find a lot of new friends for them.
Yeah, if that's what they're looking for. It's a great, great
game and and a lot of friendly people. You know. If if anybody
is thinking of taking up Crown Green bowling, just go down to the nearest
club and you'll find they will be very welcoming and they'll be helpful, and
it's not expensive, and uh yeah, it's the best thing I've done.
Did you have to bring your own bowling ball? So not not, Well,
you don't have to know. The club will usually have a few sets
of balls which they will lend to you too for you to have a go.
And and then in time you'll decide that you that you like a certain
weight of ball, and then you'll you'll buy some of yourself, and you
can buy some can hand ones, quite decent ones for about fifty quid something
like that. You might even pick him up cheaper than that. If you
bought a new pair and a new pair of balls, you might be paying
one hundred and forty hundred and fifty pounds for those, you know. But
that's it, that's all your expenses. That's the lot, you know,
I mean bowling. And if that helped tamping bowling, well, it actually
does help. I was introduced to an old guy or last Saturday who just
joined our club and he'd he'd played temping bowling before, but he'd never played
crown green bowling. So I was asked by the chairman of the club to
take him out and and give him a few tips and just you know,
show him, show him the ropes. And he was bloody brilliant. Yeah,
and I found out later that he was actually eighty one years old,
this guy. Oh wow. So so you know, I've played against people
who are ninety so so it's a great game for keeping people young at heart
and healthy. So yeah, but that's a that's a complete aside, but
that's what I've been doing. And talking of greeens, have you ever had
any crop circles on your bowling broom. Are they fron No, My goodness.
We're have enough trouble with the pigeons, you know, and the geese
flying over the Canada, geese flying over dropping little parcels on the green for
us, you know, like picks up on the bowl, you know,
like North Korea dropping ship over people in South Korea with them is absolutely Have
you heard this? But the latest No, no, I wish I was
making this up. I'm not. This is this is actually happening. North
Korea got seven hundred balloons, filled them with crap, bitching, feces and
manure, and they drifted them over South Korea for them to be released.
Dear, old, dear. So that's that's that's that's a bit more than
a kind of a you know, you know, I mean, that's the
sort of thing that in America they would have scrambled their aircraft to going into
set them both four or five balloons and fute them down. Yeah, yeah,
yeah, that's all. You don't want to shoot down. You just
hope the wind will take them out to sea or something. Oh, I
love it. Fantastic. So the reason I got back in contact with you,
Robert is that I've been writing this book on mysteries, and I'm going
through various chapters, and one of the chapters I decided to do was the
mysteries of crop circles, because it's got to be modern mysteries, all right,
this this, and I thought, well, crop circles. I know
that there's probably evidence that they go back a long long time, maybe into
medieval times as references to them, certainly the things I've been looking at.
Yea, even in the nineteen twenties farmers reported and strange markings in their bills,
but by far in large, they really kind of erupted onto the scene,
probably into the populous mind as such, in the seventies and eighties,
and he certainly got big in the nineties. So yeah, I decided to
rewatch some of the old rich Planet episodes and itself with David Kate and props.
It's cool. Yeah, yeah, I forgot the guy's name, rich
Yeah, Richard, that's it. Yeah. Yeah. Currently going through a
court case of the moment, which is what we discussed in our last episode
where he's being sued. I suppose is this the correct terminology you're taking the
course? I don't know quite how they're playing it actually done to harassment or
something like that against supposedly someone from this Manchester bombing or something like that,
you know, And he's not allowed to present his own case for defense,
which is a bit bizarre, you know. So we're going to prosecute you,
but you can't disnger this. This this needs to be the case with
the communists. I mean, let's let's not big around the bush. We
have a globalist communist coup. The same thing happened with Trump. Trump allowed
to present his own evidence. Yes, something happened with Alex Jones. He
was not allowed to present his own evidence. So basically this is a this
is a communist court. Did you know in China you're not allowed Actually you
are allowed a lawyer if you can afford it. If you can't afford a
lawyer, you have to represent yourself. One is not provided by the state,
So you have to go in and it's you versus the state, and
the state can make up any rules that they want and do whatever they want.
And that's what we've got now here. And in America. Yeah,
it's afraid, absolutely crazy, but it's going to backfire on them in America
big time. I think. I don't know. I think Trump received was
it thirty million in dull Nations or something? I heard it was forty million
and the website crashed. Yeah, absolutely, And I think I think it's
popular popularity went up about six points on the something, didn't it. Yeah.
The thing is the communists they don't understand that by doing by doing this,
they think that they're getting rid of Trump. They don't realize that the
opposite is happening. The opposite is happening, and he is. He is
going to have a landslide. Some people being predicted he might be taken out
by the deep state, which is highly possible. Well, I'm sure they're
trying. Yeah, I'm pretty sure they'll try it. They'll try to take
her out if he gets in Now, this would be bizarre if they do
manage to put him in prison. Can you imagine him running like an election
campaign and then winning the presidency whilst in prison because sadly, there's no law
saying that a felon can't Yeah, yeah, and then he could. Then
he could pardon himself, couldn't he? And then this is this is the
beautiful part. And I hope this happens he's publicly stated on a video that
he is going to remove the communists and the deep state shills. I hope
he does. My feeling is, although he's not perfect, and he's a
buffoon and he says stupid things, we all know that. But he had
he had four years to remove the communists and the deep state, he could
have done it. And he didn't really do it. But I don't think
he quite realized the gravity of the situation. I think he does now,
and I hope he goes for them legally because I don't want internment camps and
you know, people being plagged around the middle of the night, because that's
why the guestar Poe, the KGB and the stars you do. But they
do need to be held before a court, and if they're found guilty for
various crimes, then well justice needs to be served on the deep state and
the communists. I think just going back to his first term in office,
I think he did actually very well, considering he was surrounded by traders in
Old Lighthouse. Yeah, so, so they were doing everything they possibly could
to stop him from achieving what he was setting out to do. So anyway,
talking of traitors, talking of traitors. All the various doctors and experts
told us about one hundred and I've seen the videos Neil and Robert. I've
seen the videos recently of the TV doctors like Doctor Hillary and all those.
Oh yeah, talk about one hundred percent effective jabs. Well, Neil showed
be something from the Telegraph. Yeah, I've sent it to Rob and that's
what held me later. Robert, Oh yeah, yeah, as maybe to
blame for an increase in excess deaths. Well, no shit, kid,
be four years to work that one out. Did you know that? Did
you know that the pope is Catholic and that is I don't know if you've
heard this before, they shit in the woods. Yeah, yeah, we
all know what's been going on, don't we. Uh, well, some
others do. Anyway, all these baffled doctors. Isn't it baffling? The
death? People die? And the thing is, it's like it's a mixture
of tragic and funny because I know people personally affected by this. I know
people who've had relatives die after getting the JAB, and I've got family members
with heart problems and Parkinson's after Yah. Yeah, I know somebody who had
three step brothers have hearken nditions after the jabs unexpectedly baffled doctors. This is
where this is where Trump needs to go after them. We need to go
after the AstraZeneca have pulled their jab, fires pulled their jab. Don't talk
to me about safe and effective. It's all these companies to account. Yeah,
totally agree, totally agree. Yeah So anyway, yeah, yeah,
so back to Ridge of d Hall then where all we go? Yeah?
So I was watching you and Davey Kate and On Richard talking about your crop
circle research, which was very refreshing. And there's another chap. You probably
knew him. He's now passed away. I think Roy Dutton. He was
mentioned in the in the program Oh evidence, There we go, a circular
evidence, this particul I've got about what I got this is I've got five
copies of this book. I've collected them like a I don't know hamster,
but this one is my favorite. They're all identical except that this one was
given to Roy Dunton, Wow, who was a very dear friend of mine.
Yes, And in there in the front there it says to Roy with
very best wishes, Pat Delgado and then to Roy best wishes Busty Taylor,
you know who who did all the aerial photography. I'm sure bust is a
wonderful person, but I can't get the mental image of a porn star and
on the sort of circles. And Colin said, great to work with you,
Roy regards Colin, And that was signed June first, nineteen ninety.
Wow. So so that's you know that it's a kind of treasured possession of
them. Yeah, has he got the devil in there, Robert? Because
I don't know if I told you this before, but the very first recorded
crop circle was actually a medieval illustration. Yeah. It's a wood built isn't
it. Yeah, Yeah, that's it. And they didn't attribute it to
grays or UFOs or anything like that. And you know, anything paranorl back
then or with the devil did it. And so they got this depiction of
a perfectly mode in wheat circle mode by the devil. That's actually near me.
It's a town or a village called Walkan near me. This deep right,
Yeah. I have a lot of skeptics I read into that, and
it's still interest I still find that fascinating. A lot of skeptics will point
to that and say, oh, no, it's not a crop circle because
it's mode grass. It's actually cut grass, whereas a crop circle is flat
and grass. This is where they like to split airs. You see.
Well, you know, yeah, we interpreted, yeah, I and that's
quite true that genuinely crop circles are not mode. But just maybe that was
maybe that was some sort of license. Yeah, exactly, Yeah, that's
true creative thinking on the part of the devil. Yeah. And of course
I've got various other books. Of course, Vital Signs by Andy Thomas.
I know Andy quite well, we've interviewed Andy here, have you. Yeah,
Yeah, this particular one crop circles. What does that say in the
crop circle enigma? That must keep up from the eighties. Well, and
this one is edited by Ralph Nois. Now, well, Ralph Noise was
a government secret service guy, and so he was we think he was monitoring
the crop circle scene for the government. But at the same time he was
an insider. I think he was a member of the Center for Crop Circle
Research, you know, the c c C. And uh so, so
he's tried to sort of point to some things as if it's you know,
it can be explained by science, you know, I wonder why the government
would have an interesting in crop circles. It was like like a like a
terrorist conspiracy or I don't know why why would they why the government had any
interesting crop circles? No. Well, in in the uh the interview that
David Catan and I Android Dutton did for Richard D. Hall for his crop
Circles, the Hidden Truth, I specifically that the government knows all about the
crop circles and knows their importance as well, and I say a bit more
about it and talk about perhaps the CIA being involved and all kinds of things
like that, and that was picked up by the WI Files. I don't
whether you know the WI Files w h Y WI Files. Well, it's
they're incredibly popular. And that interview which was which we did for Richard D.
Hall was included in that episode of the WI Files Crop Circles and the
CIA cover up, I think, or something like that. It's good.
Well, you know, I'm featured quite strongly towards the end of that episode
and it's now had five point four million views. Wow. Yeah, So
I suppose I'm quite well known and certainly quite well known by the by the
authorities. That that is for sure. Have you ever any brushes with any
with any men in black or kind of spooky types, not men in black?
It's oh, CRII like you now, it's it's it's probably about five
years ago. Now, I was down in Wiltshire and i was in the
Pusey Veil and I've I've learned where there are secret underground alien bases, and
I know where the entrances are to a couple of them. Okay, And
I've filmed the craft going in and out. Wow. Okay. So I
was down there in this particular location, just by the roadside, and I
was filming this cops of wood, a little small wood where I've actually seen
with physically seeing the craft go down into the wood in a certain place.
And I've also filmed the craft coming over and going shooting down into the base
and actually coming out as well. Now I've done that about five years ago
and maybe seven years ago. Now I've got plenty of film like that.
Are these name military bases? No? No, No, they're not.
Do you do you suspect I mean, this is speculation. Do you suspect
that the government is well aware or even worse, working with them, or
do you think this is like these alien bases are completely unknown and they're just
doing their own thing and you just happen to catch it. Or No,
they're not completely unknown. The government knows exactly where they are and they monitor
them at all times. And I think this is how they realized that I
was actually there filming to all intents and purposes. You know. You know,
all I was doing was filming the scenery the countryside, because you're just
in the middle of fields and woodland and hills, you know, in the
Pusey Vale. But I'd not been filming the location very long, perhaps about
ten minutes course of an hour something like that, when this lady drove up
in a in an old fiesta I think it was for fiesta with her dog,
and she pulled in right at the side of where I was, and
she got out the car, and she was very, very curious about what
I was doing, and uh, it was it was quite obvious she was
trying to stop me from actually doing what I was doing. Quite obvious she
knew what I was doing. And I told her, you know, I'm
just filming the wildlife and the beautiful scenery, you know, lying through my
teeth of course, But and and then she went on to tell me that
her husband was in the British Secret Service. Where did that come from?
And her son still was in the British Secret Service. I don't know,
M I five or whatever? Am I six? I don't have no idea
what. But she was very specific about this, and this was this was
to frighten me because obviously she knew what I was doing, although she could
how could she possibly know what I was doing? The only way she would
know is if she was in on the whole secret if you like. And
it's quite it's quite clear that they must have hidden cameras in that location which
alert them if anybody, you know, is really cottoning on to where where
it is, you know what's going on there. And so after a while
she kind of gave up and drove off down the road, and I thought
something not right about this here, So very quickly I bundled my big tripod
and camcorder into the back of my estate car and I drove off back down
the road in the opposite direction towards Alton Barnes. And I just got down
to the Tea junction and I've just come up to the T junction and a
police van, a big van, came round the corner and headed off in
the direction of where I had been. Now, you know, I've spent
I don't know, months and months and months down in Wiltshire in that location
over many years, and you simply don't see police there. It's bloody,
it's fields, that's all it is, you know. And it was quite
clear that he was there to try to, you know, question me and
maybe even arrest me for whatever. I don't know. And so but as
he came around the corner, I went off, and I went off up
the hill and I went to another location where I know there's another base entrance
and this isn't This also is in a wood. I'm not going to divals
the name of the place because you know, you know, what good would
it do. You know, you just have to take my word for it
that this is real. And so I went and I parked up this track
by the entrance to this huge wood, which is a Forestry Commission wood,
and I went through the fence and into the field, set my tripod up
and I started filming where I know the base entrance because again I've seen them
coming in and going out from there too, and I've been filming for about
maybe I don't know, ten minutes, maybe something like that, when all
of a sudden I heard the sound of rotor blades. And because I've been
down there a lot, I recognized the sound as being the sound of an
Apache Attack helicopter that was. And it came over the wood where you know,
just to the side of where I was filming, and came down into
the field on the other side of the track, and I bet it must
have been no more than about forty feet off the ground. Okay. It
came down into the field very very slowly. Then it came round kind to
me and hovered and I could see the pilot looking through the trees at me
in the field. So quite obviously that the whole thing is. I've got
him on film. I've got I've got the whole thing on film, And
I must say it was it was a bit scary, you know, when
you're out there on your own you've got one of these things, you know,
Yeah, the the rotor blade sound of a patches. Because I've had
this as well, I know, yeah, what you're talking about. Yeah,
it seems like it's it's it's faster than like a regular helicopter or police
helicopter. Like it's it sounds like super fast rotor blades and they seem to
be louder as well. It's a it's a it's different sound altogether, isn't
it. And and so so I filmed him and then and then he and
then he flew off up the field and I thought, I'm going to get
out of here. But obviously, but obviously my car was in the was
in the in the in the in the in the track sort of thing going
to the wood. And you know, he'd obviously see my registration number of
my car, so he would know exactly who I was. And and of
course they've known who I am for for years. I mean my phone used
to be tapped twenty years ago when I was talking to Roy Dutton and he
was talking to Nick Pope when he was working at the m O D.
You know, so it's not it's nothing new to me, but I must
say that it has it has put me off going down a bit, at
least on my own to that area, because you know, it's obviously a
very serious matter. And the the people, all the crop circle devotees and
yes, the summer, the crop circles are real, no question about it.
And I've been in some real ones. The majority are not, you
know, most of them are man made, but that doesn't matter. It's
only the real ones that were interested in And who do you think of doing
the men made one? Well, that's a mixture of people in you know,
early late nineties, early two thousands that the best ones were made by
a group that call themselves Team Satan. And you know that was John Lumberg
and a few others, not Bill Gates. Oh no, no, no,
no no. And and and David and I, David Caitane and I
were absolutely convinced that they were. And and Richard D. Hall because he
did a lot of research into that they were being funded by the Secret Service.
And they did some cracking good crop circles. And the purpose of them
was to throw sand in our eyes, to make it difficult for people to
recognize which were the genuine ones and which weren't. And and they succeeded with
a lot of researchers, because a lot of researchers were not very good,
to be perfectly frank. And you know, and and I must say that
when we first started, David and I in the late nineties, you know,
we were hopeful that we were going to find genuine crop circles everywhere,
you know, and we were disappointed when we found that most of them weren't
man made. So you had this Lumberg and Co. With the government backing
making the really good fake crop circles, while it's two others as well,
probably with the with the same intention. But then you also have people who
are basically artists, you know, who are doing a painting in the field
if you like, you know. But but when you've been studying it for
long enough, when you've been in enough crop circles like I have and David
has, you can recognize a genuine one within five minutes, you know.
I mean sometimes I can tell within a few seconds, but there are there
are telltale signs. Yeah. Was there a group that was challenged to do
a crop cycle overnight and they did it, but it took far longer than
they're expecting, and it looked hideous. It was like really unkempt and metrical.
Oh yeah, I mean the genuine ones are absolutely wonderful things that they
are like a perfect painting, if you like. There are no mistakes because
it's created by energy that that's obviously like computer generated in some way, and
and all all the all the arcs in the circle are perfectly even. There's
no there's no you know. You we'll go around a bit here and then
oh we've we've gone a bit too far there, so we've got to cut
across as an angle, yeah, you know, which you find in quite
a lot of the man made ones, you know. Yeah, a lot
of people did it for fun. I mean, I've got to I've had
on here. Yeah, I'm going a second. I forgot about this,
yeah, wow, true, sure, Yeah, the Jan John Jan Bloomberg
guy. He runs a website called circlemakers dot org. I think it is
I was looking at and they do have alleged musty alleged links to m I
five because he trained the school just slayd Apart, which is literally next door
is line five? Interesting? Yeah, I don't know whether you can.
Well, I think, well, I'll try and get it in the shot
without killing himself, without killing himself. But this is it? Is it
Doug and Dave's plank? No, it isn't. It isn't. Actually it's
not signed by them, is it? No? No? No, But
I mean this is a This is a big thing, you know, and
whether you can see the length of the darn thing that's a floorboard and a
half that is, yeah, it is. It is big and it and
it was used to make crop circles. But I didn't I've never made a
crop circle, okay, but but I I found it under a hedge in
a field down in Wiltshire, and in the field was a crop circle that
had been man made. And so I thought, all right, I'm having
that this particular crop circle that you found with plank wood. Did you did
you manage to get hold of an aerial view of it? And did it
look amazing and wonderful? Semeter? What would? Did it look a bit
dodging, a bit rough. I may have seen an aerial view of it,
but I didn't take much notice of it because I'd been in the crop
circle and I could see that it was rubbish. Quite yeah, I mean
it really was rubbish. It was. It was nothing much more than vandalism
as far as the you know, the farmer would be concerned. And I
later found that this, this crop, this board belonged to a Dutch group
who came over from Holland each year and made crop circles. So that's their
board, Well it's mine. Now I presume they discarded it because they don't
want to be cool with incriminating evidence. Exactly. Well, I'm quite sure
they intended to go and pick it up a later date. I mean,
it was just pure look or perhaps I was guided by upstairs to look under
the hedge there and found it, you know. And of course when I
put it in the back of my car, my estate car, you know,
I had to be a bit careful because I could have been accused of
making crop circles. You know, if you got pulled over, it would
be Robert Hols, the crop circle maker, and you have to spend Yeah,
that ruins your credibility as a researcher, absolutely absolutely, And of course
you know, some of the researchers, some of the photographers, you know,
we quite convinced we're on the fringe of credibility, shall we say,
because they certainly. Well, I mean I've got I've got a tremendous book
here, I must say, it really is excellent. This is crop Circles,
and it's Steve Alexander and Karen Douglas. I know them both. And
there are some wonderful, wonderful photographs in here. I mean that one is
the what I call the galaxy formation from August fourteenth, I think two thousand
and one, and that's massive. I mean, imagine the precision that you'd
have to have to create that, and imagine how much time with each circle.
Well, whether you could see that, but just there, yeah,
there's there's a large white box van and a couple of other vehicles, so
he can look at the size of the darn thing. And it's perfect.
It's absolutely superb. And unfortunately, I've got some film that was shot in
the crop circle that the same day that it was discovered, and it shows
details which proved to me quite certainly that this was a genuine formation. And
and and also you know, people said that, you know, tried to
claim it, even though John Lumberg himself admitted in the in the in the
big newspaper, don't it might have been the express or or the male that
he couldn't see how how he could have done that, and he was actually
being honest for once, uh there, But people still try to rubbish it
by saying it was made over several nights, you know. But I can
absolutely guarantee you that it wasn't. And the reason is very very simple.
That's because this here in the background is the veil of Pusey and there's a
walkway that goes along here and it's regularly walked during the summer months by many
many people, and also at that time early August. In those days anyway,
there would be there would be a light aircraft or a helicopter flying over
looking for crop circles at least one an hour, and probably a lot more
often than that. Actually, so there's no way that that was made over
three days. It occurred one night and it was a really bad night.
Actually the weather was fouled that night. It rained really hard, so it
still happened. And yet it still happened. And strangely enough, a couple
of couple of days before that, we David and I, Dave Caateen and
I were fortunate enough to be the first people to go into a formation which
I call the hubcap formation. And it was absolutely Christine, it was perfect.
I took many photographs and you really felt like you were what can I
say, you know, sullying a Leonardo da Vinci painting by treading in it,
you know, yeah, it was. It was that perfect, you
know, or just a oil protester putting Tomorrow's sleep over anger. Oh yeah,
absolutely. But so so I've been lucky enough to go in the genuine
things without a doubt. I think I got one. Yeah, this one
here doesn't look like much. This one's in Pat Delgado's book. And I
think that when of these from nineteen yeah, okay, I think these from
nineteen ninety one. Yeah. And so there's that formation which is by a
forestry commission would called west Woods, which i've already. Can you see that
one, Neil? Yeah, oh wow, Okay, Now that one is
by a wood as you can see. Yeah, and that wood is Westwoods.
Westwoods is the location of one of the alien bases. Oh okay.
And so, and I know for certain that that was a genuine crop circle.
Now. The reason I know is because when I start this, I
had some very dear friends, James and James Millan, who was a big
crop circle researcher, and his brother in law, David, and his sister,
and and they had gone to a you know, weird things happened,
don't they, you know, to us, to people like us, we
you know, well, James and David had this idea that there was a
certain alignment at Avebury to the stones in Avebury that they wanted to test out.
So they went there early evening the day before that one was discovered,
right, And when they tried to get into the position where they could test
this alignment, they were suddenly surrounded by bees. Okay, right, And
every time they tried to get anywhere near this alignment, all these bees suddenly
came and it stopped them from testing it. Right. So so they decided
that they would get up very very early the next morning and go and test
it before the bees got out in battle. Okay. So they went to
do the test, which they did, and they found that they were wrong
that right the test, it wasn't aligned as they thought. So they thought,
what shall we do. I mean, this is about six o'clock in
the morning, so they thought, I know, because they're in Avebury.
Now we'll go down to the eastfield overlooking in the Pusey Vale and we'll see
if there's any new crop circles appeared. James and David went to were driving
to the Eastfield, which was the big place where a lot of the crop
circles appeared. You know. And and this is a Nap Hill, Nap
Hill car park which is famous in the crop circle world, and Golden Ball
Hill which is right next door to it. And but but as they came
down over the Overton Hill down to the T junction at the bottom which they
would then turn right and go for Nap Hill, straight in front of them
was this field, and there was the crop circle. But hovering over the
crop circle was a Shinook helicopter and coming down on ropes from the helicopter were
military personnel. Right does anyone record this at all? No? No,
but I can assure you James was as honest as the day is long,
and his brother in law, solid, solid man. And and so they
parked the car because James is very curious about what's going on, and they
walk up the field to this crop circle, which was by then surrounded by
military personnel, armed military personnel, and inside the crop circle were technicians,
scientists or whatever, dressed in white coveralls taking samples and doing readings. Okay,
So so James said, well, can we go in? And they
said no, I'm afraid not. You know, no you can't. So
that Scotch is the rubbish that's talked about the military not being interested or the
government not being interested in these things, because they most certainly are without a
out. What's really interesting is that whoever the military people are, whether they're
American or English, that could be either. I suppose I wonder what they're
told. I wonder, first of all, I wonder what the group is
called, because it's obviously some kind of special group or specially specially what they're
called, we'll probably never know the name. And then when they join it.
So let's say, kind of like your an average every day soldier and
you're just soldiering along and then you get you get kind of invited to join
this group. I wonder what they're told. So, by the way,
this mission, yeah, and yeah, we're already yeah, we got our
gear and we're going to go to field and there's going to be some kind
of strange little circle things going on, and you're basically going to guard the
circle, right, Okay, I mean what they're thinking at this point,
Oh yeah, absolutely, when it dawns, I wonder when it will dawn
on them that actually what we're involved with is something way beyond normal regular soldiering,
and this is actually some thing, very very different. It is absolutely
the government knows full well that it's that's uh, it's aliens if you like,
you know that that that are involved with the genuine formations. It's really
interesting. Uh let me just continue with with my little story here about James
Millen. So, so James went, uh, carried on. They went
to Napill car park, looked down into the eastfield and there was nothing there.
So but later in the afternoon they went back with with their wives too,
to the new crop circle. And as as they drove onto the track
by the field, there was a man loading samples of stems and plants from
inside that crop circle into into a vehicle. And and this guy seemed was
French. So but he said to James and and and Dave, you're not
allowed to go in there, you know. But James is an old English
bulldog kind of a guy. He said, this is England, English field
and we're going in, you know. So so so they did, and
and and their wives went in as well. But it's interesting, you know
who was that guy, you know? And was he part of French secret
more than likely more than like, so I don't I hope I haven't.
Oh yeah, I've still got it at at the place right, Okay.
So so they went, they went into that crop circle, and they spent
quite a while in there looking at it, and after a while the wives
started to get bored, so they started to walk off back out of this
crop circle down the field where you can just about see some small little circles
there what we call well, they're only probably only about three or four feet
across those in diameter. And Linda, David's wife stood inside that crop circle
and she felt really really strange. The energy in there was really odd.
And as she stood in there, she saw lights in the sky coming from
over the wood, coming from the direction of Marlborough, Okay. And as
the lights came over, the next thing she knew she was inside a craft
looking down through a kind of a lens effect thing in the floor of the
craft, and she could see the shape of the crop circle. And later
on she actually drew it and made it like a proper almost a well,
you know, a real good drawing of it before anybody had flown over it
and photographed it. Gosh, it's almost like these things are honey traps,
and do you know what, It's almost like the aliens are or how they
are they are. They're kind of like, well, let's find out which
humans are genuinely interested in us, Let's give them this, and then the
ones that turn up, they're obviously the ones that interested, and now we
can communicate with them. Yes, but I think I think it's no coincidence
at all that James and David were harassed by those bees that the evening before,
and because of that they got up early, went to Avery, found
that there was no alignment that which they were trying to measure, so decided
to go down and then saw this crop circle. Now if if if none
of that had happened, they would never have seen the military looking at that
crop circle. And of course James being a big friend of mine, it's
it put me on the track of of realizing that that particular location is extremely
important. There's a base there. And you know, I've got other friends
who who were quite good researchers actually in the day, and they drove up
that track one night in order to go into the wood and do a night
SkyWatch kind of thing in the wood. But they were driven back down the
track by a huge red ball of light which came down towards them in a
menacing sort of a way, more or less saying no, you're not coming
up here. You know. It's interesting because when people come across kind of
negative entity or demonic type activity, that's often associated with red glowing eyes or
red glowing orbs as well. Yeah, warning color it is. I'm sure,
I'm sure it is. Another friend of mine, another David, it
was incredibly psychic, that's putting it mildly, has seen creatures jumping from tree
to tree in that wood when they were just going in there for a walk.
Him and his wife and this is a bass driver guy. Yeah,
yeah, yeah, and and and he said to his wife, no,
I think we should get out of here. Yeah, and so they did.
I mean, I've been in the in the wood, and I've I've
been in there on my own. I've spent maybe three hours in there on
my own, filming trying to find the base entrance. But of course you
can't because there isn't one that you can that's tangible, because these these craft
are able to fly through what we consider solid matter, and so there's nothing
really to be seen there. They just fly straight into the ground. And
when I've filmed them doing this. Some of them, I estimate, are
going in and coming out at maybe four thousand miles an hour. Yeah,
I mean the average speed I would I would guess is about one thousand miles
an hour that these things are doing. And they've got a good handbreak.
Well. I mean, the thing is that we have no idea how far
down into the earth they're actually going. You know, they could be going
miles down into the earth. But but the other you know, I mean,
anybody can film them. It's really quite straightforward. First of all,
you've got to know, you've got to have an inkling of where they are,
okay, and you can you can, you can get some idea of
that by for instance, energy Earth energy is seems to be one of the
things that connects these underground bases, you know, l line energy. And
so if you find a very special location like ave Brio, Stonehenge or any
place like up in the north here we have Arbor Low in Derbyshire. You
you know, the ancient people built those things because they knew the energy was
there. They could sense it. I mean I can sense it myself personally.
Just imagine how sensitive those people were in those days when there was no
energy pollution. Yeah, you know what I mean. No TV signals going
about or you know, mobile phone signals or anything like that. It was
just natural energy that they could feel. And so so if you can find
places like that, or you might find like in an area like Wiltshire where
I've spent a lot of time, you know you will you will get other
people talking about having seen UFOs in a particular area, and you know,
you might get half a dozen different witnesses at different times saying we've seen UFOs
over there sort of thing. Well, the reason is because there's a base
there more than likely. So so set your camcorder up on a tripod and
film and film and at that area you need you need sky, and you
need the ground in it for reference points. And don't film too long.
You don't. You don't want to do more than maybe a minute or so
of film to any one go, because what you're going to have to do
is take all, take all. You know, you might do fifteen or
fifteen one minute segments. Right, you've got to go. You've got to
put it on your computer and in a program you've got to slow it down
to ten percent of normal speed. So whatever's doing one thousand miles an hour
is now only doing one hundred miles an hour. Okay, So then you
can see them fly across the screen on your computer, but you've got to
concentrate because they're not easy to see because they're it seems to me that they're
like half in this dimension and half not in it, you know. But
we can see, we can see jets on them, you know. They're
like they're a bit like the rods that people talk about. Yeah, you
know, but at the ends on either side, at the ends, not
at the actual ends, but at either side near the end, and they've
got jets. There's four in total as far as I'm aware, two on
the front, two on the back, and they will fire at different times,
and you can see them in the in the in the pictures mm hmm.
And and maybe a directional thing, you know for them. I've got
one piece of film where I've got two of these craft coming in from the
side, one above the other, flying along, one above the other,
and they're going to go across the field of view of my camcorder right over
the top of this wood where the base is right the top. One comes
along and carries on and goes off the end of the off the side of
the picture, yakay, the bottom one. When it gets when it gets
to where the base entrance is, it stops in mid air, it turns
round, it changes shape, and it drops down into the base entrance.
Now, all of that is done in probably about what shall we say,
about eight frames of film, and I think my camcorder is doing about twenty
five twenty six frames a second, so all of that in probably a third
yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, under half is definitely under half a
second. So it's no wonder what I'm when I'm trying to get across to
you, is it's no wonder that people don't see them, Yeah, because
it's so bloody fast and when and the technology that they that they have,
it's obviously way beyond anything that we might have, you know, I mean
we you know, we're yeah, we're making t R three bees or whatever
they call them, these triangle things. But these are only you know,
copies of real thing, and the real thing is vastly superior. Now yeah,
so so yeah, And and the other thing is that we we really
don't know whether these are good guys are bad guys. And to be honest,
with you. But we do know that grays have been seen in the
area, right without without a doubt. I mean I know of a lady
who was actually poked in the back by one of Well that's at Silbury Hill
Pride, because Silbury Hill is another entrance, right not not not not exactly
on the hill, but just to the side of the hill. I know
exactly where it is, and and and and her and her partner. We're
using a very special camera to do some photographing around that area. It was
a very special thing. I'll tell you what, Bob. But we I
think we're coming up to a break now if you want to get that on
hold for the moment, and then we I'm back to that after the break,
if that's all right, that's all right by me. Sure thing,
Yeah, that's right. Keep us keep us on our on the edge of
our seats because so yeah, well spoorting Andy. So it's now break on
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Hi, welcome back to the Paranormal Peep Show Part two on the Paranormal
UK Radio Network. And we're here with Robert Holtz and he was actually just
tantalizingly give us an interesting story about a lady getting hooked in the back by
an alien. Gray was in this Silbury Ill rubber It was actually yeah,
yeah, Vya Silbury Hill. There's a track that goes in between the fields
and her and a partner were using this special camera. It was one of
these things that was covered over with you know, a cloth over the top
of the thing, like a camouflage thing. Well, yeah, it's had
a you know, a big plate in the back of it, all right,
yeah, you know, an old thing. Yeah yeah, but they
wanted to get a particular effect and so there they were at the end of
this path where this gate is, and they were looking in one direction and
the partner was busy with the camera and she was looking at him. Next
thing, she got poked in the back and she turned round and it was
a gray looking straight straight at her. And was it doing it playfully or
was it doing aggressively or well, it didn't look very nice. Apparently it's
upset her a bit, you know, they want to shock. I don't
imagine. Yeah, absolutely, And I know of other grays that have been
seen. I mean when I say grays, you know, there's all sorts
of different types of grays. Anyway, So which type this was, I
really don't know. But I remember a few years ago my friends and I
Dave Caton and Gary from Australia who came with us, he Gary Ninnies.
We heard that there was a crop circle in maze in a in a field
across from the avenue you know where the stones go down at Avebury and and
so we drove down there and we walked across the fields, went into the
crop circle. I filmed it. It was totally man made. It was
you know, with maze, the damage to the stems, with the stomping
board, which I showed you earlier, is so great because the maze's robe
bus you know, it has thick stems when it's mature, and and it
takes a fair uh a hit to push it over, so great big scrapes
uh down down the stems where the boards had hit the down thing uh and
and plus there were still I was surprised to see on on the on the
leaves where the stems had hit the leaves, there was a white mark which
on the on the on the leaves, which again is another telltale sign,
but perhaps come to that later. But so that was a man made thing,
and what a what a mess it was, and the farmer came,
and so we had to make a hasty retreat and off my lad. Well,
well, actually, what what I did, because the maze is so
high, I I walked up the field inside the maze so I couldn't I
couldn't be seen, and got out line in the eighth style. Oh honestly,
yeah, really really, But I later found out that as Gary came
back walking back towards the car, he came past this hedge that was all
overgrown and everything, and he needed a pee, so he stopped and he
stood there having a pea, and up popped from the other side of the
hedge, a flipping gray looking straight at him. He was nearly more than
a pee. I can tell you, right, yeah, what do you
think the quays one? I mean, why are they there? Why?
Because usually they're quite secretive, aren't they. But they're obviously not being secretive
in those circumstances. Well, I think there's just so many of them that
occasionally they're bound to be seen. I mean, I remember some years ago
David and I went to see a crop circle up Green Street I think it's
called, which is a lane which runs out of the center of Avebury,
up up the up the oh, craik is it not the one? Is
it? The one's dyke? It's it's it's a path anyway, And and
this this crop circle was in a field that was quite remote. Anyway,
we found it, and we soon discovered it was a man made formation.
We even found orange bailing rope string if you like that they'd used on the
stomping bonds that had come off the stomping boards and were still in the left.
They left it in the blinking crop circles. So we knew it was
a man made one, but the thing was David and I used to try
to get evidence that we could show to people, you know, not just
take our word for it. So I remember that I got Dave to get
down on his hands and knees to point out the board marks on the stems
in the crop, and one or two other things. And so I was
filming him. But this this circle which was not very big, probably about
eight to ten feet across, if that was right next to a pair of
tractor tramlines you know that run through the fields. And so I'd got Dave
in the shot and the circle and some and the tram lines. Well,
what happened was when I looked at the film, I noticed that two people
walked past down the tram line as I was filming Dave. But they were
etes. Okay, they were ets And I know that because they were cloaked
right right, so like so like predator cloak. So you can see exactly
like predator cloaked. Yes, indeed, what it does you can see the
shape of them only by the effect that that has on the crop behind them,
because you it's a bit like looking at looking at something through a heat
haze like a mirage. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, but
they very clearly walked walked down the path, so they so we were being
watched, which is which was often the case. So you say you got
this on film, Yes, I got it on film, and when we
find it, you won't find it anywhere because because I've never published it.
But I will tell you I will tell you this that when we came out
of that crop circle, we we went back to Avebury and then we just
drove about a quarter of a mile up the road and we found a group
of French researchers and I think the main the main man was a guy called
Pierre Beeck, and they'd done a lot of filming in France in the hills
around Nice, I think it was, and they'd filmed some very very interesting
objects in the sky in that area, and they were kind enough to show
Dave and myself these photographs, and so I thought it was only fair that
I should show them these two beings that I just filmed. Yeah, so
I got my camcorder, I opened the screen out on it and I tried
to switch it on, but it wouldn't work, and wording came up on
the screen in read letters, cannot be operated at this time. Gosh,
okay, now this completely nonplused me because I've never seen this before. Yeah,
and so I'll try again. So I must have tried six or seven
times, and every time this wording came up on the screen. Cannot be
operated at this time. And so in the end I had to apologize to
them and say, I'm hopefully sorry. For some reason, my cam corders
broke and I can't show you. So that was that. But we then
went to another crop circle, which was down the avenue, just on the
other side of Avebury. This was another one and we had to walk across
a field to get to this crop circle, and I said today, I
said, well, there's no point me bringing my camcorder with me because it's
not working. And Dave said, oh, just bring it just in case
you never know, and went into the crop circle and switched it on and
it worked perfectly. I was I was not allowed to show that film,
right, and so I I took that as you know, shall we say
a request at best, because I have a connection with the ets, you
know, I do honor that connection, and so I don't show everything that
I've got and I don't tell everything that's happened to me. And I'm just
I'm just grateful that I do have friends up there, human human e tes
who look after me absolutely, and they've proved it to me as well.
And I can I can tell you how in one case, yeah, please
don't if you'd like to hear it. Yeah. I was down in Wales
near Cardiff at a place called Tinkin's Wood Burial Chamber mm hmm. And it's
it's quite famous in that area because it's it's got the largest capstone of a
of a burial chamber in Wales, I think maybe in the country. I
think it weighs about forty tons some thing like that. This thing, and
and it's it's it's enclosed in an in an area at the top of the
field, but running up the field are these electric overhead power lines big one
yea. And so my friends David and Linda took me to see this place
and it was just a normal nice day. There was four people there already
who knew each other. No three, I beg your pardon three and husband
and wife and their friend and and so David was talking to the husband and
and I was walking around the site looking around it. But I felt that
there was something evil about this burial chamber, and so I and you could
walk into it from the front and from the side, but I thought,
I'm not going in there. There's something not right in there. For sure.
Did you have like the hair standing up on your head and like a
magnetic type feeling. I can't say that I did that, but but it
was it was very it was palpable, you know, it was a it
was a I get you know, I get feelings about these things, you
know, And so so as far as I was concerned, I was just
walking around the area and just looking at it and everything. And at the
at the end of this gathering, David said, well, we we we've
got on so well, I'd like a photograph of us all together, you
know. So we got in a line and David took a photograph of us.
And then what I better tell you is this that while I'm walking around
the site, there's a tall gentleman following closely behind me everywhere, which David,
because he's psyche, can see this person is this guy's got a pink
shirt on, believe it or not. And David thought that I'd made a
friend, a new friend. But I couldn't see this guy, and neither
could anybody else. And so when Dave took the photograph of us, this
supposed friend of mine was standing right behind me in the in the photograph.
Did you then he was human? Oh? He was human. I know
who he is. Actually, I know his name. I know his name.
His name is t d okay t w d e h. I think
that's how it's spelled. Yeah, and and and he was standing right behind
me, but you can't see him in the photograph. But what you can
see is a complete distortion of the area right behind me and the the overhead
power lines go through the back of the picture, and where he's standing,
it's all it's all blurred. Where the power lines are either side of that
is perfect. Okay. So Dave then says, well, I'd like to
be in the picture as well. So the husband of the couple said,
well, I'll take the photograph for you. So Dave came and stood in
the line, and he looked across at this chap in the pink shirt,
and he smiled at him, and he smiled back at him, and they
took do the photograph, and and then we all decided to leave, and
as we were about to leave the place, Dave said, who was the
guy, the tall guy in the pink shirt that was with you all the
way around everywhere? And Linda and I we just shook our head said there
was nobody else. And Dave was absolutely adamant that that there was somebody,
and he almost felt like going back and checking because it was so real to
him, you know. Yeah. Anyway, as we were just about to
leave the enclosure, there's a sign there with Tinkin's Wood burial chamber written on
it, and Dave is a keen photographer. He took a photograph of it
just for a record. But in the background of the photograph there's the trees
are there, and when we examined the photograph, there's a UFO right by
the trees. And this is what t Day arrived in right And I got
a message from him later to say that there was an evil entity in the
burial chamber and it was it was intending to attach to me and he was
not going to let that happen to his In his words to his little brother,
Okay, I was going to ask what was the vibration of this guy
in the pink shirt, whether it was good or bad. But you're saying
that the entity with the chamber was the negative one the pink shirt. He
was the positive one. He's the positive one. I've met to day before,
actually met him physic. This is in Australia. In Australia. Yeah,
yeah, and he was real and he embraced me and his energy was
just unbelievable. It's just incredible. What a great privilege, you know,
to to have friends like that. Have you had any more contact with him
since in any I haven't. Uh, yeah, I know. He's very
busy, uh you know, because you know, this world is in a
in a bad state and they are doing their best to help us, you
know. So I don't call on him, you know, only if I
was in real trouble. But quite frankly, if I was in real trouble,
I know he would know, yeah, and he would come anyway.
But it's not a game, you know, you know, it's uh,
it's it's just a great privilege to have friends like this. And it actually
it actually stems from past life connections. He was my brother in a past
life about two thousand years ago. Wow. Okay, so and and his
brother was somebody also very special. I remember saying that as well. Yeah,
okay, so you know it's not something that I play with, you
know what I mean? Yeah? Yeah. But interestingly, a year or
two later, David and Linda took me back to tinkins Wood burial Chamber.
No they didn't. I'm telling a lie that they took a friend of theirs,
a lady who was a friend of Linda's, to the place. And
as far as Dave was concerned, nothing unusual happened at all. He didn't
see anything psychically at all. But on two of his photographs there are creatures,
should I say, that are obviously coming from the burial chamber. It's
obviously a dimensional portal, right okay. And the trees behind there's a cloud
attached to the trees, and and and the sky is all super strange on
that side. It's really really odd. But these be these creatures are not
from this dimension, that is for sure. They're they're nothing like we've got
here there, and I feel they're like animals, you know, one of
one of us above the above the capstone, and the other one is coming
out from the side of it. Do you think this might explain why I
made these stone monuments, these areas, they are they they are portals of
of of energy. They uh magnify the energy. And I think it's quite
possible that the overhead power lines being so close to this chamber may actually be
that energy may be utilized, you know, yea to make it even stronger,
right right, Interesting, It's almost like a medium's cabinet in a sundes
room, you know, because you've got the structure of the cabinet. These
the stone things are almost like a structure with themselves energy. Yeah, yeah,
yeah, interesting, yeah, yeah, absolutely. Yeah. Now getting
back to the crop circles, and you've you've managed to sort of suss out
with David about the clues that tell you that they're fake. Yeah, so
can you go through with us what what the clues are? You talked about
the bends in the in the in the waves of things. Well, the
first thing you've got to bear in mind is, uh that the genuine ones
are perfect, right, so there's no mistakes. And I showed I showed
you earlier. Uh, this is what I call the hub cap formation by
Woodborough Hill, which I was the first person to set foot in that one.
And what a privilege that was that was absolutely perfection. Wow. And
and that happened well, I don't know about two or three days before that
one wow, which which was as the crow flies between those two, you're
probably talking about a mile in between the two. So so the first thing
to bear in mind, as I say, is the genuine ones are perfect
right because it's laid with an energy. Yeah, And and it the energy
lays each stem one at a time, but incredibly speedily, so they're going
down b b b b b b bum. So there's no So but if
you've got a stomping board like I showed you earlier, you know, if
that's a stomping board, you've got a leading edge of the stomping board.
Yeah. And as as you step forward and push the stems down, you're
going to push a length a width of stems all down in one go.
And then you'll step forward again and you'll and you'll press them down again.
And so so here we have what we think is a crease mark on the
stem of the crop, probably where the stomping board has creased the stem as
it's gone across it. And so you get the effect of like like waves
lapping on a sea shore, you know, one after the other. Yeah,
so you've got groupings of stems going down, which in the genuine ones
you don't get into ste now. And the genuine ones have high microwave so
radioactive energy as well, don't they. Well they they you know, we've
we've monitored radiation whatever kind it is, we don't know in in one or
two crop circles genuine ones. And in fact, the film that I shot
of David in the Nautilus formation at Pusy many years ago was used in the
Thrive video. I don't know whether you remember. It was a big production
done by an American ritual laden guy talking talking about new forms of energy and
all that kind of thing. Well, he used my damn filming. That
didn't ask me ask my permission. That's a bit nothing. Well might be
actually entitled to royalties on that. I guess. It's the same with the
WI files. They didn't ask Richard D. Hall for permission to put it
in, and that's had five point four million views. Yeah, you know,
but look, I'm not bothered about that. It's getting the information out
there, that's all the matters. So so that's one thing you'll often find
as I said earlier. You know, where they're trying to go around in
a circle, they won't get it perfectly circular. They'll go so far.
Quite often you'll come to say, in a picture like this one, can
you see you can see the tractor lines going through the s here? Yeah,
Well, well they'll come round the circle and then they'll come to the
tractor line and somehow it it takes them up the up the tractor line,
so they're going straight for a bit and then they come round again to to
to try to get it right again. If you see what I mean,
it must be an optical illusion thing for them. And so that's another thing.
And then of course when the board hits the stems, if it's in
green crop, you know, like it's early in the season, then there's
there's moisture in the stems, and where the board impacts the stem, it
causes damage, and you can't see damage until about twelve hours after the impact
has happened. But then a chemical reaction takes place in the stem and you
get a white line on the on the stem where the board hit it.
It's only on the one side where it hit it. The other side there's
nothing at all and what you'll find is you'll find a line of stems all
with board marks in the same place I've I think I counted about twenty five
board marks all in a line in one crop circle right where the board has
hit it. You know, that's not so easy to see in crop that
is ripe because all the moisture has come out of it, but you still
you will get creases in the stems. There's telltale signs like that, the
genuine ones. Quite often at the edge of the circle. The energy actually
washes the crop up the side of the standing crop, and in some circles
that we've been in, the energy overspills and it actually runs out into the
standing crop in an arc usually I've got one of those on film too,
and it starts off at about maybe about five or six stems wide, where
it goes into the standing crop and it gradually decreases in an arc of about
maybe fifteen feet long until it's just one stem that's been knockdown. Right.
So here, what we found on the small thought bubble about three from the
end is a track which comes from the side of the bubble and into the
standing crop and where it comes out of the bubble. It's about six or
seven inches wide. And then gradually it it goes narrower and narrower, and
it comes down this track here down here, getting thinner and thinner, until
it comes around in an arc and ends up and down in there. And
at the end that's the end he seed head and it is one stem wide
at that point. And I've got that on film too. That's precision workers
that you mention a lot of on film. Is there a results that people
can see to see any of the videos at all? Or they will find
it? I have put some stuff out on on YouTube. Yeah, so
YouTube, what would they be searching for? Well, i'd have to I'd
have to send you that information. Possibly some of it I haven't put on
im. To be honest with you, I'm a bit lazy, that's the
honest truth of the matter, too. Busy blind Bowles, Well, well,
well you know with me, because it's not crop circles has just been
one aspect of my involvement with with with extraterrestrial beings and and so it's so
it's a it's a lifelong thing for me. I never know what's going to
happen next. As far as the eats are concerned. I think all the
prosperity and for future generations into UFI and crop research, I think definitely become
unlazy and get it up there as a result, people that I'll consider myself
told off on. Yeah, there is some very good footage stove, very
good interview for anyone that's interesting. I'll certainly put a link in the in
the YouTube version of this, and that is Richard de Hall's Crop Circles The
Hidden Truth. She's on his website rich planet dot net and just looking videos
and crop circles. And I think he's done a couple of interviews with Roy
Dutton, who so anyway, Oh yeah, yeah, because because you knew
him and so Nadai Payton and yeah, I believe they work together and that's
how he got connected with them. Yes, uh so, so Roy had
this very interesting clipping the thing and maybe I could borrow borrow that to use
in our clip as well, because it's very worthwhile to show a few things
of his legacy. Yeah. One is how he believed the crop circles were
performed and he made a very ingenious kind of contraction from word. Yeah.
Yeah, I think he has something like a little brush at the end with
maybe flower or chalk or something. Flower flower flower. Yeah, And as
it it was like a vertical pole with this brush at the end, and
it would swing backwards of forwards, and this pole would rotate on a kind
of pulley or something, and it would sweep the flower out into a kind
of circular spirrable and come back on itself. But it would never go to
the same point twice, which is interesting. I produced this model to demonstrate
to audiences the principles involved. This little arm here with the brush on the
end, in fact, is free only to move radially outwards, and it
flips back to the middle and then begins to move them radially outwards again in
a straight line. But as this is happening, the whole assembly is rotating
steadily in one direction or the other. It could be our clockwise around a
clockwise so that the the path troubled by the brush is a spiral path of
cold path. Now I'm going to try to demonstrate how the circle is produced
in this way. Notice that the gaps are being filled in on each sibs
successive rotation until the entire circle is created. The actual shape of the spiral
depends on the relative rate of outward sweep and rotation. This is a very
short spiral, but sometimes they can go all the way around. You thought
it was moving a fixed velocity from the center to the edge and at a
fixed rotational speed and then flipping back. And then once it got to the
edge, it instantaneously would go to the center and then start a second series
of strips all round until and then going around again very rapidly to fill in
the gaps. Right, okay, and you actually model that. I model
that on a computer and I also tried to demonstrate it with that model of
mine. It can't matter what the actual speeds were. It could produce any
kind of spiral with that form, because, believe me, you can get
spiles other forms. And I did tie this with other equations. Well,
the thing is is this that very often in the genuine formations, the crop
isn't laid all the way in one go all around the circle. It actually
starts in the center of the circle and goes out in an arc to the
edge of the circle, and it's built up with a series of arcs.
Yeah. Actually, and I remember Roy going to Roy's house back in about
oh I don't know. It would be about ninety five something like that,
because he lived not too far from me, and he showed me that machine.
He took me into the back room and showed me his machine. So,
yes, that's on that film, I think, isn't it. Yes,
that's an amazing piece because he theorized this something must be vertical, that
was creating it. And then yeah, I don't know, I'm framed with
which came first. He's mentioned then meeting the farmer, that he met a
farmer and he interviewed him, and again he can it's on the rich Planet
thing where he talks to this farmer album forget his surname This Farmer about nineteen
nineteen. He actually wrote it in his diary, Yeah, evidence where he
said that he was in his field and he said he saw, and you're
never sure in the interview whether there's one column or many. One was there
on the far left of this field, this thousand foot tall column, gray
in color. He said, it was a cloudy day. The top of
it disappeared into the clouds and it came down, and then it appeared in
front of him, only a few feet away for about five minutes, and
it haven't rotated and swelled, and he said he could see the dust being
swelled up by it. Then that vanaged and it appeared further to the far
side of him again, and Roy kind of theorized that that was perhaps the
prelude to a crop circle being because there was another case where there was no
crop circle produced. But farmer witnessed two feet wide black tubes. Yes,
mister Ball, And he told us about this event that occurred the year before.
It was overcast, no sunshine, sort of a dullish sort of day.
It's this field here, it was in winter barley at the time.
It's a cornfield most of the time. And looking across diagonally, looking at
the wood behind. It was to the left, about halfway along the woodline
that you can probably see on the film. The first one where I stood
in the field nearby, and then when that died away, the second one
appeared nearer the tree, over nearer the in the far distance, and suddenly
in front of me was a tube running up about a thousand feet. Oh,
I'm not a good judge, but I would say a thousand feet plus
are coming down out of sight onto the ground. This was not very many
yards away from me. But the important point about it that struck me with
it was the circular motion of the ashes in the grit on the ground.
It didn't appear to be being sucked up the tube. It was just rotating
at a high speed on the ground about two feet wide two feet six perhaps
on the ground, and the tube was vertical and perpendicular, and it didn't
grow at the top or anything, and that was unusual. That was one
of the unusual things about it. And this went on for several minutes,
and then this died away, and then another one appeared about two hundred yards
from me. Then in the other corner of the field, and this was
a similar situation again, lasting about the same time. I've worked these fields
for fifty years and I've never seen anything like it before, and nothing at
all like it. This is a diary of nineteen ninety, the year that
we saw those tubes. Who were describing in the field, and just to
show you that the entry was at the time has shown here. And it
occurred to me that he could have witnessed the kind of being what I'm talking
about. This was, Yeah, this was the kind of energy that might
be used for crops, but he was watching. He was looking at it
in with the being unfocused, but it it wasn't focused. He thought,
maybe just testing out the land in some way to see if it's worth trying
to crop circle there or not. I don't know, but you know,
and this farmer saw what happened. Absolutely, And sometimes they do things just
so that people can see these things. You know. It's a it's a
kind of a gradual waking up process of humanity. You know. That's probably
why a lot of them have lights on the craft, you know. Yeah,
it's it's so we can see them. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
yeah, Roy, this thing, isn't it. I mean that if they
wanted to cloak themselves, they can and will cloak themselves. So there's obviously
the reason why they'd want us to see see them. Yeah. The question
then is, well, what is that reason? That reason is that sooner
or later we're going to be introduced to them and we're going to have to
get used to the idea. And of course that it is what has been
taking place over the last I don't know, forty fifty years probably, you
know, with TV and films and stuff like that. Yeah, and people
coming out you know, from the America. You know, David Grosscher whatever
his name was. Oh yeah, and all these other people. I mean
they're all government operatives and they're all still working for the government. You know.
They when they give this information out, they've been cleared to do it.
You know. It's it's just trying to wake people up to the reality
that we are not alone and never have been alone, you know. So
they're doing a good job, I think. Yeah, so we're talking about
David Grushen, May I just want to get back to the crop circle formation,
because yeah, Royals spoke about a case and he never said when it
happened, but he talked about two boys in a village in Japan saw something
similar to what the farmer had seen in England. Oh yeah. And I
presume this was somewhere in the nineteen eighties, but I'm not sure. And
there's two ten year old boys in their local beach, playing in a field
or something when they saw something similar to what the farmer had described too.
And obviously things get lost in translation, I imagine, but they just cribed
them as upside bound funnels or cones coming the out of the ground, and
one appeared right nextus boy's spinning and his friend was like one hundred yards away.
He didn't see it. So he went over to tell his friend,
I've seen this cone spinning right by me, and then bang it up and
by both of them this time, yes, spin in the field and yeah,
they described it to people, and then again they wondered if it was
like the formation of a crop circle about to be happening, and maybe because
they was in the field, they couldn't proceed with the full procedure because the
energy might have been dangerous to the kids, and they didn't want them to
be there. You know, maybe maybe that's a possibility. Yeah, yeah,
yeah, it is interesting. And the energy is certainly I think directed
from above. And sometimes where we get a crop circle appearing in a sloping
field, where it's quite a slope on the field, it's quite noticeable that
the energy is stronger in certain parts of the formation than in other parts,
so that in some parts, say that the top side of the crop circle
going up the field, a lot of the crop may not be laid properly
at all. It looks as though it's been missed, but by the energy,
and I think it's connected with the slope of the hillside. I filmed
one in I don't know about twenty eighteen, which I did put on YouTube.
I was down there with Dave Caton and we had exactly that occurrence where
there was the central circle and then a series of rings going out from that,
going up the field, and it was all on the slope and in
every ring at the top side of the circle the stems were not laid properly
at all. Everywhere else they were laid properly. It's almost like beams not
quite focused there exactly exactly exactly, And I've seen it in other circles too,
so it's not you know, when some people might see that, they
might think, oh, the circle makers have made a mistake. They haven't
stomped it down properly, you know. But no, it's the energy that
it's one of the telltale signs that you could have a genuine crop circle.
Actually, is this the case where again broy Darten he said that one of
the first crop circles he was shown by one of the other colleagues that you've
yet about might have been Busty Tailor. Yeah, old god. Yeah,
it was on a hillside and it was an oval shaped yeah, because he
theorized it was created on a hill, and therefore whatever it was couldn't quite
get a full circle because it was the shape of a hill causing it.
It's almost like we're sharing a torch beam. Yeah, an angle instead of
being a perfect circle, it goes off in an oval beam, doesn't Yeah,
Yeah, yeah, absolutely, yeah. It's so whatever it is,
it's it's it's sort of proving to us that it's an energy that is laying
the crop circles. I want to just mention a lady in America, and
a lady called Elis and and I think and was it I y L E
S. I think that was how she spelt her name. And years ago,
and I'm talking that sort of late nineties, she wrote a booklet with
illustrations mm hmm, and it was it was called something like it was how
crop circles are made basically, Yeah, the real, the real thing.
And my god, she got it. She'd absolutely got it. She even
noticed that in the real ones sometimes you get a bundling of the stems,
so that you know, you were mentioning earlier about Roy Dunton's you know going
machine that had the brush on it which went in an arc well where they
went in an arc every maybe three or four. Oh, it's a do
an arc that was bundled together. That means that the stems were all wrapped
together like this. And then and when they came to the edge of the
of the crop circle this, when they came to the standing crop, it
pushed it up the side of the standing crop in a bundle. Okay,
And then you'd get maybe three or four lines of arcs with nothing, and
then you'd get another one that was bundled, and then they'd miss a few,
and then you get another that was bundled. Well, I've got photographs
that were taken in genuine crop circles in the pusy veil that show exactly what
Ilis was talking about all those years ago. And she also was probably one
of the first people to notice the boardmarks on the stems. You know,
she was well ahead of a time, but people didn't take much notice of
her because she was a bit of like a hippie sort of a character,
you know. But by Cracky she was on the ball, you know.
So wow, cudos to Elis. Yes, she still around and I really
don't know. I wouldn't be surprised, but she'll be in America somewhere,
you know. Okay, I'll set off now. So they're getting back to
America, of course you mentioned earlier. So yeah. Thoughts on David Grosh
coming out and doing his thirstegent interview with Ross Coulthard and then he went on
the American Senate and talked about everything, yeah, yeats. Well, my
thoughts are that he's telling the truth. I don't have any problems with what
he says at all. But at the same time, I'm quite sure that
he's been told to give that information out by his superiors, you know.
Yeah. And it's the same thing with lou Elizondo. It seems like a
nice enough guy, you know, but but he's a bit I find him
a bit frustrating because he's supposed to have been in charge of a of a
big UFO department at the Pentagon of some kind, and yet he in these
programs that he's done, he feigns surprise at some of the UFO reports and
what have you, you know, as if he doesn't know what you know,
really, you know, it's just that, you know, I mean,
it's absolute bloody nonsense. You couldn't be part of the job that he
did. Without knowing everything virtually there is to know about about this yet,
you know. Yeah. So, but at the same time, he's gradually
introducing the subject to a wider audience. And I'm quite sure that that is
what the plan is, Yeah, because people are going to have to get
used to the idea that we are not alone. And I don't think it's
going to be many years before it happens. Yeah, so there's the Yeah.
So in a way, really really, David Grush sort of backs up
really the claims that we had, you know, back in eighty nine from
Bobblazar working an area fall facility on back engineering UFOs and everything. Absolutely absolutely.
Yeah. I never doubted Bob for a moment. Yeah. Yeah,
I mean I rewatched an interview that he did with Joe Rogan about four years
ago. Oh yeah, and I think around this time he had just been
featured in a film with the guy that's made a film my Rome. Forget
his name now, but it's called Bob Bazaar and UFOs or Flying Saucers or
something. Yeah. But you know, he talks about his experience of going
into the Sorcerer and everything like that, and yeah, he's a description of
it and when you're watching him, and he's talking in more detail than he
ever did, maybe back in eighty nine, because he's got maybe more use
to the idea of talking about it. I guess. He talks about how
everything is almost there's no sharp edges to any of it inside the UFO,
not the one that he saw anyway. Yeah, he said, it's almost
like you took her whole wall and just melted it like candle wax, and
everything's smooth and merged into the other thing. There's no real control panel,
he said, but there was like a central column which went up and he
said it almost poked out the top of the craft. Yeah. Yeah,
Aeriel, I'm saying an aerial, but it may not be an aeral.
They played that clip to this other high brow astrophysicist guy who's retired, but
he's written like three hundred papers and sorts of things on dark matter and black
holes and everything. That's to get the guy's name, Rudy Randy, I
don't know where his name is. And he was basically giving the thumbs up
from his scientists perspective. Oh yeah, and he said a lot. He's
clearly talking. He was saying about the brain of the UFO, and he's
saying it has two flight modes, one to go through space at super whatever
speed they go at, and then in another mode to travel through the atmosphere.
And that's where you get falling lever Beck and stuff. You know.
Well, yeah, yeah, And this was just a regular astrophysicist talking as
if, yeah, UFOs are real. And it's interesting because normally you'd have
your Patrick more astronomers in your flying Cox's denial. There's no such thing as
aliens blah blah blah blah, you know, and yet here is this guy,
a regular astronomer who's got loads of letters after his name, I guess,
yeah, and backing up Bob Blaza, which I found was crazy but
amazing and reassuring. Yeah, I'm thinking that, you know, Bob has
been allowed to say what he's been saying. If they didn't want him to
talk, they would have shut him up. You know, they did try
that. They so somebody tried to look up his credentials, and whatever agency
or military organization that he was meant to be part of basically came back.
He said, no, we have no record of him whatsoever. Well,
it's a bit like Larry Warren isn't it. With the Rendolssoon Forest case,
they tried to say that he wasn't there, you know, that he'd not
been, you know, based at rendolsom Are on the the night of the
well, on the few nights of the of the major UFO sightings there.
Yeah. Yes, but that's kind of that's kind of gentle stuff, isn't
it. Really? You know, it's not like somebody coming around to your
front door with a gun. You know, I'm blowing your head off,
you know that? Yeah, you know that that would that would be shotting
you up. The word The wording was interesting because they said they have no
record of him, but that doesn't mean that they weren't records because they could
have shredded them. So they could be telling the truth when they're saying they
have no records because they shredded Yeah. Yeah, yeah, absolutely, yeah
yeah yeah, so yes, So crop circles are very important. Indeed,
I just mentioned that with with Roy he was involved Criiche Be early nineties.
I think with Pat Delgado and Colin they did. I think it was Operation
Blackbird. I think they and with the BBC, with the BBC and the
Army as well. I think they were using special equipment and everything, you
know, and in the end Colin was made to look a bit silly because
some kind of hoax thing was found in you know, below them, in
the in the field sort of thing. Yeah, but I think it was
all a set up actually, And what what I do believe is that while
the Operation Blackbird was taking place miles away from Silbury Hill and Abury and the
Pusy Veil, the Army were actually mounting a surveillance operation because they were monitoring
the activities of the et and they wanted all the crop Circle people out of
the way, right, so they got them to do this Operation Blackbird thing,
right, which they were delighted to do because they thought, no,
now we've got all the equipment, we can actually catch the UFOs making these
things, you know. But in actual fact I think they were it was,
you know, it was a ploy to get them, get them away
from the real area of you know, of what's really going on, because
that's where the alien bases are for sure, you know. So I wondered
why they decided to do Operation Blackbird over it's like a few weeks or nights,
like our three weeks or something like that. Yeah, I wonder why
they did. The Army decided to do a countermeasure operation like twenty miles away
around the same time when they got their supposed legit army with the equipment actually
at the where Yeah, Andrews wasn't it was just like a magician's slight of
hand, you know, over here, look over we're here. Yeah,
yeah, a bit of a honey trap for the crop circle people, yeah
and everything, yeah, absolutely, yeah, sure, yeah sure. And
so for those people don't know, I think you could probably find it on
YouTube. Maybe you could watch it in a series of evenings. But yeah,
for the original crop circle people were there, Colin Andrews, Pat Delgados,
Taylor, I presume. And so I think, like you said,
on the second night, they suddenly found a crop circle, and that's when
Doug and Dave supposedly, yeah, that they were responsible. I've got a
feeling they found a Oiji board a Wija board in the crop circle, didn't
Yeah, they were just taking the person basically, yeah, yeah, yeah,
and he thought it was a genuine one. And then as soon as
they they but actually it was these guys then so closed, case closed.
It's all fake and you lot of all been had sort of absolutely, it
seems to be that this is a well programmed and coordinated pope. It's funny
for about sixty seconds, and then I find it very very sad. Genuine
formations were popping up every day. Patter and Colin decided to call in experts
from the BBC. I'm quite certain, I mean, I'm still in touch
with Colin in a roundabout way, and I'm quite certain that he had a
people had a word in his ear, you know, and he knew there
was I think he knows a great deal more than what he's what he's what
he said, you know, and and so he kind of went quiet,
I think, but maybe he was threatened, and I think he was actually
I just think that's why he now lives in America. It's entirely possible,
isn't it. Yeah, I did. I looked at his website whilst I
was writing my chapter on crop circles. I thought, yeah, I go
to the one of the main men that's yeah been there, yeah, and
there's got a lot of information on there. He's living in America. So
I did the email him and sort of lead a message for his website and
say, would you be interested I was still give an interviews and he says,
thanks very much, but no, he said, respectfully, I'll have
to leave it then. So but yeah, I wonder how because he's retired
or something like that. And then the circle makers through their website took the
mickey out of him a little bit, yeah, saying always he's hard up
for funds. Well, you can always do create fake crop circles like we
do or something like that, you know. Yeah, yeah, it's a
it's a shame really because both him and Pat uh and Busty you know,
were heart and soul into trying to find out what was really going on.
And I think they probably did, you know, find find more than you
know what we've been told kind of thing. Pat Delgado was a special guy.
Actually, he was an actual a rocket scientist, I think, really,
oh cricky. Yeah, but he was also a healer I found a
very good one too, because he was also friends with my friend James Millan
I mentioned earlier, who came across the military going into that crop circle.
Well, James had an illness of some kind and James and Paps spoke on
the phone and perhaps said, would you like me to give you some healing,
and he said, can you do it from there? And he said,
oh yes, and he and he gave him feeling and it worked.
So there was more to Pat than met the eye. I have a lot
of respect for him actually, and for Colin actually, you know, they
took a lot of flak. Yeah, but if it wasn't for them,
the crop circle thing wouldn't be so well, not really, because they were
right in the pioneering books, wasn't they Absolutely, And you know, I
count myself very fortunate that I was there, you know, you know,
from I don't know, late nineties through to all about twenty eighteen, really
nearly every year, well every year I did go down and I've spent a
month on some occasions down there. I've been in hundreds of crop circles and
we were part of that period. It was appearing in history that maybe will
never be repeated again. You know, you know the feelings of everybody.
We all knew each other, you know, we'd meet up together at you
know, the crop circle cafe, you know, and share experiences and you
know, exchange ideas. It was a wonderful period of time. Yeah,
so, oh crikey, it was just marvelous marvelous. Well, I said
to my wife this year, because I've sort of renewed my interesting crop circles.
I've always had a mire interesting, yeah, but I've not done research
like you guys. But because I had to write a chapter on crop circles,
I've kind of renewed my interest in And I thought, well, we're
coming up to the summer now, so I said to my wife. Now
I'm living indoors, I can get up to we'll share maybe an hour and
a half or something. I said, you fancy coming up and we'll check
out some crop circles if they are pitched. Yeah, okay, So I'm
hoping that I can, you know, check something out in the summer.
So yeah, I might meet you at the cafe. You never know,
you never know where. I have been invited to go down later this year.
So whether I can tear myself away from the bowling, I don't know.
We'll bring your bowling balls down in the field and you can create a
new starle of crop circle just bowling it through and yeah, yeah, be
a bit different from Dug and Dave, but I've seen them. I've seen
where they've made crop circle with with wheels and tires with wheels. Yeah,
we still have the tire on. Yeah, they'd tire tie this on with
tire rope to it and swing it round and the way just weight of the
wheel would would make the make the crop circle. Ah. Interesting, it's
a different tactics. But you do you think or well, it might have
puzzled us a little bit, except for the fact that they left two of
the wheels behind. One of them one of them was in actually inside one
of the crop circles, and the other one they'd wheel off to the side
of the field dumped and dumped it. Yeah, and the two two knackers
to carry them home most have been Yeah, that was in a crop circle
below with a pusy white horse. Oh yeah, pusing it's out. You
know, it's magical all the area. The interesting thing is, I'll just
say is before we close, we've only got about five minutes. There was
a very lovely lady called Carol Cochrane who has done some information. I first
saw her at the UFO Academy some years ago and we interviewed her Ben and
I on on video and also got to do a talk at my Iowa comparanoral
group that I ran a few years back, and she's got this very interesting
kind of I don't know what you called it, a practice scheme or ability.
Where she based it, I think it was on Linda Goodman's something rather
from her books, where you take the name of the town or the village,
the crop circle appears in autun barns, and you do kind of anagrams
of it and take the names and things, and eventually, with a bit
of sort of sensitivity and insight and telepathy or something, you come up with
different names of what the messages mean. It's almost like the aliens eaties will
put a crop circle in a name with a certain town name, and you'll
come up with messages associate with it. I don't know what you think of
that, but it's just something a thought throughout. I can't really say.
I don't know, but I was told by my friend to day that the
crop circles are a means, the genuine ones, a means of introducing energy
into the lay line grid system right right, and the different patterns allow for
different frequencies of energy to be infused. M that's what he told me straight
out. A bit like a version of doing acupuncture on Mother Earth. Maybe,
yes, yes, absolutely. There's a lot of important buildings and churches
built on lay lines as well. Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely.
And that energy, of course is essential for all life on earth. It's
what invigorates life. And I've got proof of that as well. But that's
another story. The names thing, Neil, there is a slight danger that
people can read into and find what they want kind of thing. Yeah,
yeah, because you could give it to anybody who would come up with a
different name or message or something like that. Where we would find that very
often with crop circles, whereby you would get a crop circle and it was
very clearly linked to a new scientific discovery that's just been announced somewhere. So
ah, so they would they would make a crop circle that had a connection
with that, and then people would say, oh, the etis are trying
to tell us about this this information. But it wasn't. It was just
the clever hoaxes using it to fool people, they say, And they did
it. They did it time after time after time. There was one there
was one crop circle at Averbury I remember, which was it was connected in
appearance with the work that a Japanese scientist had been doing with water. Wasn't
it Immoto, that's the guy. That's the guy. And and so they
so that the hoaxes made this crop circle which had this connection with what he
was doing, and it was it was clearly a man made formation, so
we knew that it was people that had done it, not the ets.
But they used this new site stuff that's new in the in this scientific literature.
They often do it with uh, you know, certain alignments of the
planets that were coming, you know, and so they draw something like that
on the ground. Uh And and people would say, oh, it's obviously
telling us that Venus is doing this, that and the other. You know,
something special is going to happen. No, you know, people were
so keen to to believe that that they were all real h that they stopped
using their discernment. Say yeah, it's it's worth worth sort of double checking
yourself on these things in case you kind of your enthusiasm runs away with itself
sort of thing. I think that kind of proves that even though I tell
you that I have these connections with ets and have done all my life,
I'm still very skeptical about yeah things, I have to find the proof and
the evidence. I don't Yeah, I don't take anything at face value at
all. Yeah, so that's a good good thing to do, right,
I think with coming up to the end now of the Paranormal Peep Show.
So before we go, Robert, is there anything you'd like to say?
I mean, I know your website is not running anymore, but no,
you have a YouTube channel or anything like that that people could check out or
anything. I've got various different bits of film that I've done which are not
related to this kind of thing, you know, which I've got on there,
you know, like a walk around Rudyard Lake or right, and galloping
horses in the field and stuff we needed, Robert, what we need is
a dedicated crop circle channel that you're going to create. And yeah, or
future generations, well, I must say it is important historical information, yes,
because otherwise it gets lost, It gets lost in the ether. And
you know, if people listen to this video saying ten twenty thirty, forty
fifty years time, if we're still alive, or if future generations are still
alive, we haven't wiped each other out with nuclear war, people want to
say, will probably be saying to themselves, where's the resources? Where's the
resources? So let's give them resources for the future. I will put a
link out to the Rich Planet program you both appeared in, you and David
Caten. Oh yeah yeah, And we'll take a few clips to tantalizing the
introduced people to the work of Roy Dutton and yourselves and what you've done that
and they can obviously look at what you and David have done in more detail
by listening to those interviews. That's something for people to listen out to.
So thank you very very much once again for joining us and sharing your wonderful
wisdom and your experiences. It's been absolutely fascinating two hours. I've only regretfully
say we've got to finish the show. So thank you, Robert, and
thank you to everyone for listening to us on the parall Pea Show. So
it's good night for myself, Neil, and and good night for me Andy,
and good night me Robert. All right, catchur next time on the
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