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Shira. Well, now it is
time for this week's episode. A follow

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ants the original air date February the
seventh, nineteen fifty and the title as

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the Chicken Murder Case. That's what
I heard, Tommy, That's what I

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heard. I tell you, Frankie
ain't gonna stop until he stops you.

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That's right, chick. What do
you know? So Frank Stacy's bringing that

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feud out into the open. That's
what I heard. What are you gonna

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do about it? Tommy? Stop
flattering around. Maybe I'll be able to

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think. When did they called you
chick? I got chicken than anybody.

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I was a forty year old chicken
and that's really something. Well, they

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don't call me chick because I act
like a chicken. It's because I got

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a high voice, because yeah,
yell like you're chicken. High up.

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Ye're not my problem at the moment. What I told you about Frankie Stacy

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brought you down, huh exactly,
And it is making me think. I

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kind of got an idea he'd lay
off if we'd keep away from his territory

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boss. That's what's getting him so
sore at you. What he wants does

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an interests me. Maybe if you
two guys could get together, you could

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work something out. You better do
it fast on account of Frankie figures on

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knocking you off. Anyway, That's
what I heard. I know, that's

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what you heard. Check. I
think I got something. Yeah, what

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Frank Stacy wants to kill me?
But I'm gonna say to it that he

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killed somebody else. I don't think
that would exactly satisfy him. He isn't

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gonna have any choice in the matter. Chick, I got it. Stacy's

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gonna murder somebody in front of witnesses. Witnesses, He'll talk whenever I say

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the word, oh, I see
what you mean. You'll get Stacy to

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knock somebody off and then hold that
over his head. Lie exactly, and

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he'll do anything I say. Hey, I gotta hand it to you,

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Tommy, that's swell. You got
somebody picked out for Frankie to knock off.

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Yeah, I think so, who
by you? Of course? Good

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shot, Frankie. It was solid
at He's solid, and I'm getting hepptoli

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angles on this billiard table of mine. I'm shop sure, Frankie, shure,

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you're glad you bought the table now
nats only. I think I'm gonna

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change the color. I don't like
that green business. All pool table's got

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greener whatever that is on I'm Frankie. That's the reason I'm gonna change the

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color on mine. I'm gonna be
different. Keen, that's me. I

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back up and watch me make a
message. Shot Quota says you can't put

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up a shut up. I can't
do it for both of us. My

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money is good, and I shut
up while I'm trying to shut easy money

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at easy money. We're always making
easy money, sure, but generally I'm

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on the collector and not the donating. That reminds me and Hommy Morrow is

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still moving in on some of our
stores, and he won't be much longer.

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I'm gonna take care of him and
add stooge chick today maybe, and

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I'll take care of him slid.
I get a plan, want me to

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get it, Frankie, Yeah,
Stacy talking, Frankie. This is Joey,

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So show up bout Tommy Morrow.
You better work fast, Frankie.

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I just heard that he's sending chick
Lewis out good him for you, straight

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tip, Frankie. Yeah, thanks, Joey. I'll remember this. But

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was it, Frankie? Anything important
could be. Tommy Morrow is sending a

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stooge that acts like a chicken.
You know that chick lewis out to knock

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me off. He's sending chick.
What's he gonna do, Peckyla? That

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ain't funny, Eddie. I'm sorry, boss, what are you gonna do?

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Me. I'm gonna call Tommy and
make a deal with him later.

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Right now, I'm going to try
and make a three cushion shot with this

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Spiniard cueue. You see why I
asked you to come to my office joint

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your vans. Well, No,
Markham, to be perfectly honest, I

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don't, But as summons from the
District Attorney is a command appearance for me,

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so here I am. I want
you to realize what will happen if

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the reports I have are true that
there's a feud between Tommy Morrow and Frank

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Stacey, and that it's liable to
flame into the open at any minute.

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That's right, When that does come
out into the open, there's going to

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be shooting. Only I don't know
any way to stop it, or perhaps

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you might. If I were sure
that either Morrow or Stacy would wind up

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being killed, I wouldn't bother about
it. We'd be much better off without

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them. There is a chance,
though, that some innocent people might get

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in the way when their gang guns
start. Yes, I believe that too.

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There must be something you can do
to prevent a murder of vance.

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My talent lies mainly in solving killings. As I well know, we have

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one possibility of averting bloodshed in this
situation. I understand that Morrow and Stacy

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hate each other, but that they
respect each other too, that they've arranged

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some sort of a conference. Find
out where the conference is being held.

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Arrest them both, and you have
your solution. We have no case against

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either of them, not right at
the moment, that is. But I'm

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convinced the conference won't work out.
I'd like to prevent the bloodshed I'm sure

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will follow. I understand your feelings. Now let me see. There's Tommy

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Morrow and his chief stooge, chick
Lewis on one side. That's right,

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isn't it. Yes, Lewis is
a thin, red headed fellow, looks

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more like a chicken than he does
a man. On the other side is

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Frank Stacey and his head hoodlum,
a character named Eddie the Lug of the

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Boston of the Lugs. No doubt, no doubt, Markam. I realize

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your predicament, and I thank you
for giving me the overall picture of the

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situation. So far, I haven't
given you any complete picture. It's more

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like a negative. What do we
do advance nothing? I'm afraid, my

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friend, we'll just have to wait
till we see what the negative develops.

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Well, Tommy, here we are. You see any set sign of frank

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Stacy. I don't see that.
It's sick. I don't see any sign

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of either. But he'll be here. This meeting was his idea. You

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think he was on the level when
he asked you to meet him. Good

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day and then again, maybe this
is a gang. You'll keep me covered

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all the time I walk up to
meet him, and if anything happens,

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i'll is that cor pulled up over
there? Yeah, I see it.

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Two guys in there that shouldn't be
Frankie Stacey and edit the luck Tommy.

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Yeah, Frankie, I see broad
company. Win't exactly alone either. I

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didn't bring Eddie to make trouble.
To make sure you good enough, I'll

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take your eyes off in a minute, say Gammy, don't worry, Tommy.

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I'll keep Frankie between his gunmen and
me, so and he won't go

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any shooting. He just make sure
Frankie doesn't make a move he does.

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Don't ask questions, let him have
it right with you. Keep your hands

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away from your pockets, Frankie.
I'll do the same, dummy, Okay,

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Frankie, this is as far as
I go. You come the rest

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of the way. Ship. Glad
you decided to meet me, Dummy,

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I listened to propositions all the time. What's yours here? You got your

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studs chick gunning for me. What
I hear is that you're a little sir

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at me for cutting in that you
it's supposed to be out after me.

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Maybe the whole thing is a misunderstanding. I wouldn't bet on that match.

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I look, Tommy, this is
a deal. Stay away from my territory

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and there'll be no trouble. Keep
cutting in and both of us will be

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sorry. You'll be sorry you did
it, and I'll be sorry about what

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I have to do to you.
By John, that's snow proposition. Oh

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ah, well, this is we
start working together, put your territory and

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mine together, run things together,
and split the take right down in the

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middle. Well part of that sends
all right. It's okay with me that

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they're just what you say, except
one thing. We split sixty forty,

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and I get this sixty that ain't
exactly fair. So simmy, people say

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it's tough. I guess people are
right. You don't like a fifty fifty

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deal. Somebody must have told you. Okay, Tommy, you had you

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chance. As far as I'm concerning, we dig each other. The meeting's

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over. It's good enough. Only
let me tell you something tomorrow. At

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this time you're gonna be begging for
the chance at a forty percent cut.

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Spend a little time thinking about that, Frankie. It ain't got much more

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than a little time left. Hey, what's the matter, Frankie. That

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shot was a pushover, and you
blew it. You're nervous or something.

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Maybe, Eddie, maybe I am
give me my gun. Sure, Frankie,

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Sure, Only you're on your own
house. Nobody will try to get

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out you here. You're worried about
Tommy Morrow. I don't want him to

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make his move before I'm ready to
make mine. Let me have that gun,

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sure, Frankie, here it is. I feel better with my pocket.

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Yeah, now, maybe I can
shoot a little billiards. I'm gonna

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try this one off the rail.
Two bits, I megan, no birds.

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That gives me all a confidence I
need. I'm solid now, anat

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plenty of solid. All I needed
was, Hey, boss, it's chick

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Louis. Tommy Morrow stools right,
don't either of you do nothing stupid like

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Reachel. Frankie, I got a
message from Tommy for you, he says,

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if I want to prove I'm not
yelling, I'm to take my gun

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down to see and let it do. The talking on a cor would work.

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Frankie, An you cut, I'm
writing a chest. So that was

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the gunman Tommy sent down to get
me? Was it? Get rid of

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Matty's stating the bleed all over my
new billiard table. I don't like the

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green cloth, but I don't think
I like it read either. In detailing

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my notes on the Sterling murder case, it struck me that the first incoherency

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wasn't fans you're busy? Oh please
come in, Markham. I was just

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dictating some notes to the machine so
Ellen could type them up the first thing

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in the morning. But it can
wait just a second, model. I

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turn this off. Glad to see
you here, Markham. Sit down.

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Your face tells me somebody's been killed. I must remember to make it a

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little less revealing, because that's exactly
right. Advance one of those two gangsters

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you were concerned about. No,
no, no, it's one of the

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henchmen I told you about. Remember
a fellow named chick Lewis as he worked

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for Tommy Morrow, and he acted
a little like a chicken. I believe

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you said that's the one. We
found his body dumped in a lot about

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an hour ago. He'd been shot
one bullet, did it? What's the

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obvious implication that he was sent to
kill Morrow's rival Frank Stacy and Stacy shot

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first. But that's not what you're
thinking. It never is. You refuse

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to accept the obvious. Ever,
That's one of the reasons I came down

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to your right away, even before
we picked up Stacy. Now wait a

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minute, Markham. I never refused
to accept the obvious at any time.

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The point I think you were trying
to make is that some things are obvious

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to me that aren't to other people. Nothing you've told me makes me believe

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that chick Lewis was killed by anybody
other than Frank Stacy. Good, that's

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all I wanted to know. Oh
that might be for me, Vance I

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left word where I was going.
There's only one way I know to find

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out. Hello, Hello, this
is Marcy Homicide, his district attorney Markham.

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There just a moment, Please you
are Markham, take the phone on

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the other side of the desk.
I'll continue with my dictating. Good enough,

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Vans. Sorry I'm such a bother. Hello, to continue with my

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notes on the Sterling murder case.
Two sisters were very clever in their idea.

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What are you talking about? But
their mistake was in trying to be

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cleverer in their execution of the crime
than they were. Yes, I do

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a plan, thank you, Vans. Yes, Van's that call came from

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Sergeant Marcy in a homicide department.
Yes, I know, I imagine it

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was something about the murder of the
man who was called Chick. Correct.

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Yes, he just got the police
laboratory report on the bloodstains on chick Lewis's

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clothes, and Vans it wasn't human
blood at all. It was chicken blood.

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Chick Lewis had chicken blood in his
veins. Really well, that changes

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things considerably. It does. How
I said before that I didn't know any

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reason that it wasn't Frank Stacey who
killed Chick Lewis. I've changed my mind.

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This is just you, Attorney Markham. The Chicken murder case concerns the

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killing of Chick Lewis, henchman of
gang lord Tommy Morrow Morrow has been feuding

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with a rival, Frank Stacy,
and it's natural to believe that Lewis was

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shot down by Stacy. However,
when Filo Vance was informed that blood stains

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found on Lewis's clothes proved to be
chicken blood, immediately formed a theory as

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to his murder. I am still
in advanced his office, trying to find

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out what it is. I'm not
trying to be mysterious, Markham. Honestly,

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I'm not. In that case.
You're being mysterious without trying. That's

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all I can say. My theory
as to who killed Lewis might be entirely

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impractical. Yours might be right.
I'd rather not go into the tail at

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the moment. It's too possible.
I might be off on a tangent you

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very rarely are. It's luxury I
can't afford too often, Markham. I'll

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make you a promise about this case. What's that? Leave my theory at

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me for a few hours, and
I'll see to it that you're in on

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the finale if I'm right. What
about Stacy? Do you think I ought

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to pick him up? I don't
know why not? That is, if

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you can find him, I imagine
he'll go into hiding, Markham. If

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I'm not right about my idea of
who killed Lewis, I'm going into hiding

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too, Alice, thing work that
just the way. I thanks for your

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help, kid, jokay, mis
Tomorrow. I remember what you did.

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It helped me get Stacy over a
barrel and that's where I'm in a caton.

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Who oh, and you can cut
out that, mister Tomorrow stuff.

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Kid, just call me Tommy.
That's okay,'s a minute, Yeah,

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who is it? It is Stacy
Morrow? I have Frankie, you

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got my message to call me?
That's right. What happened? You decide

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to get together with me and split
the take two ways? Wow, I

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wouldn't exactly say that. In fact, I was pretty sure you were ready

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to listen to that sixty forty deal
of mine. Now what do you mean

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now? Just that Now you're knocked
off a pretty good boy of mine,

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Chick Lewis Frankie, Oh I did
did? I? Of course I heard

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he was dead? Got it?
You'll kill him? Kill him at your

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department with my little hatchet, get
kid if you want. But I can

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send you up anytime I like.
For not going off, Chick, you

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saw me do it. Of course
I didn't. I got a little news

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for you. If I killed the
guy, and I'm not admitting anything,

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you understand, I wouldn't be stupid
enough to do it with anybody around.

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You know, made sure that,
but you didn't. Besides, you trusted

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the guy who saw you killed Chick. Eddie ads right, he's working for

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me. Now that's your story.
Wait a minute, Eddie, talk to

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your ex boys. Sure? Hello, not you, Frankie. That's enough.

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Put Tommy Morrow back on. Sure
wants to talk to you again.

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I thought he wouldn't. Okay,
Frankie, what guys now? Sixty forty

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split for me and you? What
does Eddie go to the cups? Tommy?

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It looks like you and I are
partners, well practically partners, anyhow,

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be like telling me where we're bound? Four beans? Yes, Marcaelm,

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I do. I feel very much
like telling you. Well then,

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but I'm not going to. All
I can say is that we're en route

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to find the murderer of Chick Lewis. You've told me that Frank Stacy can

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be found in his apartment. Generally
that's correct, and that Tommy Morrow who

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employed the dead man, operated from
a store. I want very much to

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talk to one of those two men. I think I know where we're going.

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In that case, you don't concede
that Stacy killed Lewis. Therefore you

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want to talk to Tommy Morrow.
Is that correct? Exactly? If I'm

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not mistaken. This is the store
from which he operates, and the shades

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are drawn over the store window.
But I think I see some light from

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the inside. I'm sure you do. There's a rather strange looking individual standing

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in front of the store. Yeah, bodyguard, probably Morrows. You could

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be no rance, it isn't I
recognize that, ma'am. That's Eddie the

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Luck. He works for Stacy.
Yes, but he's down at front of

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Tommy Morrow's office. This is really
making sense now, It isn't to me

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unless Stacy happens to be down visiting
Morrow. I doubt that. Wait here

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a moment, will you do I
have any choice in the matter. That's

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what I thought. I'll wait for
you. I won't be long mark going

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somewhere, But yes, I think
so, I'm going in to see Tommy

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Morrow. What makes you think so? Look, I don't have any time

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to delve into my reasoning with you. Step away from that door. Apparently

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you didn't hear me. Let me
try your other ear. My name is

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Filo Vance. As soon as you
step away from that door, I'm going

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in to see Tommy Morrow because I
think he killed Chick Lewis. I'm on

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move you make me all right,
I will. I don't think so.

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Oh, I'm Maggie. You're right, Vance. You didn't need any help

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at you with that character. As
long as you're here, markam, Let's

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go into this store and we'll see
Tommy Morrow together. What about him?

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Oh? Leave him lying there.
He's a good advertisement for me. Yeah,

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I know what you mean. Well, let's go, Vance. There

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is nobody here. There's certainly no
place for anybody to be hiding. There's

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a door leading out the back of
this store, and I imagine that mister

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Morrow went out that way when he
heard the commotion in the front dance.

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Let's wait right here until you tell
me something you believe. Apparently that Morrow

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kill his own employee, Chick Lewis. You've offered me no reason for your

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believing that, or any motive for
Morrow to kill chick. You're absolutely correct.

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I was about time. I was
a few moments ago. You told

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me that seeing Frank Stacy Stewge Jettie
the log outside this store confirmed your theory

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that I did. You don't tell
me how or why or when this case

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will be over. Don't you think
it's about time you parted with information?

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Yes? I do. I believe
in all honesty that this case will be

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over tonight. I believe that I
can turn Chick Lewis's killer over to you.

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What's most important, I believe I
can prove everything I say. Sherry

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said, his name is Filo Vans. Sure, I'm sure, and he

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was looking for you, Tommy,
he knew something. I'm sure he knew

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something advance as an awful help character. Tommy, how aboudy asks you,

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Frankie, Well, I can tell
you what I think, Ken, I

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were partners now sixty forty maybe,
but partners just the same. I think

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getting rid of Vans it's a good
idea. That's why we're here in front

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of his partner, and added,
that's why Eddie has his Tommy gun pointed

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at the window ended. And I'm
more full anxious to get even putout knocking

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around. He give me too,
please me. I am a couple of

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shots from this kunnel square things.
It always does, you know, tell

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me why you and I stop by
fighting? Team up together, and the

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first thing we do to make the
partnership start is have a jam session with

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the Tommy Gunn and a guy named
Final Vans. By the way, you

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would pretty smartty, I mean I
was smart buying off Eddie here so he'd

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be on your side after I killed
Chick. That wasn't dumb, No,

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it was sharp, keen solid.
I like having a smart partner. I've

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only advanced. Would show his face
out of that apartment house store. We

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could go celebrate someplace. Let him
show his face. Just let him show

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his face. Get Eddie getting so
he's got to work himself up to shooting

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the guy. He couldn't make an
exception in your case. If you keep

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nailing him, it ain't wrong neither
right, all right, I'm sorry.

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The apartment has stores helpening. That's
fans in the doorway. That's Van's all

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right, pose nice and pretty just
waiting for this. He's fallen. You

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got him ready, that's got this
com with it. That's so fast,

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don't move three, my man,
have this cast rof marking the disc Attorney

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well might come, maybe I've got
us. Wait, did a lot of

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characters I favor. I'm not gonna
file of Vans just now. He's smart,

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Yeah, but he could not think
I'm a seeing gun bullet. If

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you knew how I felt about advance, you wouldn't talk that way tomorrow.

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I have a good mind to take
care of you three personally. Forget about

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the law. That's not necessary,
Mark, that's the highway kill. You

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don't think I'd let myself be killed
just to prove my theory was correct,

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do you, Markham? After you
take these three individuals down to headquarters,

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I'll tell you why I wasn't killed
and how that chicken blood proved no red

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herring in this case. You'd better
start from the beginning. Van. So,

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I have a hunch this is going
to be complicated. It isn't at

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all, Markham, and I think
i'd better start at the end. You

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know now why I called you to
be in front of my apartment with some

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policeman. Yes, you saw something
that led you to believe that to be

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an attack on your life, because
you knew too much about the chick Lewis

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killing. And there was and we
heard enough while the police and I were

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hiding in the hedges near the gangster's
car to send them all away for a

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long time, if not forever,
very well, then we have that much

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out of the way. I'll take
it from there. When I saw the

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men parked in front of my door, I suspected who they were, so

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I called you and then fixed up
a dummy to resemble me as much as

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possible. Then you came down,
opened the street door, set the dummy

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up, and ducked out the back
way. I gathered then that much is

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true. Now you want to know
how the fact that there was chicken blood

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on Chick Lewis's clothes proved to me
that Frank Stacy didn't kill him. Before

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you go into that, I think
i'd better tell you that Frank Stacy has

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already confessed to killing Lewis. Oh, I have no doubt that he thought

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he killed the man. This is
what happened. Tommy Morrow wanted to get

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something on Stacy, so he framed
the murder. He had Chick Lewis show

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up at Stacy's apartment the bladder containing
chicken blood underneath his coat. He had

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already bribed Stacy's stooge, Eddie the
lug to put a blank cartridge in Morrow's

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gun. I see no. I
think Stacy fired the blank chick Lewis fell

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and as he was falling, broke
the bladder containing the chicken blood. In

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other words, the whole thing was
staged to make Stacy think he killed Lewis.

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That's right, so that Morrow could
in the future dominate Stacy. But

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if what you say is so vance
that Stacy fired a blank Lewis would still

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be alive. Yes, And the
chances are he still would be alive if

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he hadn't quarreled with his boss Morrow
after the supposed murder. This is pure

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supposition, of course, but I
imagine Morrow's confession will show you I'm right.

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In other words, the supposedly dead
Lewis was carted out of Stacy's apopin

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by Eddie. Lewis then went to
report to his boss, but they quarreled

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and Morrow killed him. I'm sure
that's what happened. It was the only

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reasonable explanation of why there was chicken
blood on chick Lewis's clothes. Markham,

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you remember that's what interested me in
the beginning. Yes, I do,

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and I'd be glad to remember that. This is the end of the Chicken

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murder case, Welcome back. Does
anyone come up with more ridiculous heart takes

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on crime than Markham? You didn't
wonder if police officers kind of make bets

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to figure out what they can get
Markham to believe by providing isolated pieces of

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evidence. I bet I can get
Markham to believe that this guy had chicken

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blood flowing through his veins. And
you might think that the odds would be

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against success, But here we are. When dealing with unexplained situations, Markham

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seems to reach for the most implausible, impossible answer to the problem and go

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with that as his default until Vance
proves otherwise. And what's so funny about

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Markham is, unlike say, a
sergeant Otis from Richard Diamond, whose voice

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clearly indicates that he is a comedic
character, Markham speaks with the voice of

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assured authority. Also, it was
funny when he went all vigilante justice on

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those who he thought had killed Vance. I don't think anyone was buying it.

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Actually, the way that he described
chicken with chicken blood flowing through his

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veins and more of a chicken than
a man could to mind. The nineteen

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nineties sketch on the TV series Maniacs
called Chicken Boo, and each segment dealt

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with Chicken Boo having assumed a human
identity and being widely respected, except for

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one person who insisted that he was
indeed a giant chicken because he looked like

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a chicken in human disguise and never
spoke any words but clocked. Thankfully,

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the solution in this case was not
as ridiculous as that or what Markham said.

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Well, listener comments and feedback now, and we turned to Ken,

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who has some thoughts on the music
Box murder case. Adam, as always,

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thank you for the wonderful program.
I really enjoyed the recent episodes of

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Filo Vans, including the incompetence and
extremely corny puns. Even though I recently

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sent you another comment, today's episode
is just too far out to not say

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something. In the music Box Murder
Case, Vans and Markham are dealing with

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krooks who killed the victims when their
burglaries interrupted. Vans and Markham are aware

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that each robbery had a valuable music
box that was also stolen. They decide

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the krooks lacked valuable music boxes.
Yet in the very next scene, we

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hear a krook trying to break in
and steal yet another music box. The

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robbery was interrupted and the krook killed
the owner before fleeing without the music box.

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The head villain was upset at not
getting the music box and he tells

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the other crooks that he really wanted
the music box after seeing a picture of

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the very valuable two hundred year old
music box in the Sunday Paper. Later

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then, the incompetent krook who didn't
get the music box was killed by his

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gang. That makes a lot of
questions. Why didn't Vans and Markham read

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the Sunday Paper, see the article
about the two hundred year old, very

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valuable box and try to protect it
in the owner? After all, they

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already knew the krooks stole music boxes
and killed the owners. If they would

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have tried to protect the music box
and its owner, they could have saved

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the lives of the owner and the
murdered crook. Almost too coincidental to believe.

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Later, the newspaper talks of yet
another very valuable and rare music box

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that is going to go on sale
at a local store. In fact,

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it's the most valuable music box that
has ever arrived in the USA. Vance

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comes up with the idea to buy
the box and put it in his home

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to learn the thieves. We don't
know how valuable it was, but the

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head crook promised one of the other
crooks that his share of the robbery would

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be fifteen thousand dollars. I imagine
the music box was worth at least double

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that. Are we supposed to believe
that Vance had an extra thirty thousand dollars

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in his bank account in those days? Why would he really buy the music

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box instead of working with the store
owner to protect it. What can we

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say about Markham? He goes to
the store to see who bought the music

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box. Markham determined that the purchaser
used an alias, So Markham doesn't even

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ask or check up on the address, figuring it was a fake. Actually

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the address was Vances and was part
of Vance's plot to cast the crooks.

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I could go on and on about
this episode. After Vance and a physical

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trap in his home to catch the
crooks, somebody came to the door.

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Vance stated that the person of the
door is probably unknown to him, or

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he would have just walked in.
So Vance, with the trap set walks

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over and open the door to a
stranger, as though nothing was unusual.

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If the crook had been at the
door, it would have ruined Vance's plot,

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but it wasn't. The crook didn't
come until later. As I said,

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I could go on and on,
but I won't. Again. Thank

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you for the wonderful episodes. I
think part of the incompetence of Vance and

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especially Markham helped make this series so
fun. Well, thanks so much for

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the email, Ken, and I
would agree with that last part. For

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the first decade plus that I had
this podcast, I was determined not to

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do this series because the plots were
ridiculous. I think perhaps I was taking

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myself a little too seriously and the
whole concept. But as I got more

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into listening to the programs, I
could appreciate their charm. Even though I

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often have to give such lengthy explanations, I will go ahead and say a

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couple of things in Vance's defense.
First of all, is it plausible that

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Vance would have thirty thousand dollars or
whatever it costs? Because I doubt that

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our crazy mastermind was talking retail prices. We're probably talking into high five figures,

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if not six figures. But I
think there's a case that Vance could

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afford it. Going back to the
original final Vance books, Vance was a

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gentleman detective who a chually started solving
crimes as something to amuse himself. He

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was a wealthy man, a dabbler
in things like arts and raising expensive dogs.

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While the radio version of Vans is
a private eye, there's no real

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indication that making money is particularly important. If he's had an episode that ended

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with him earning a fee, I
don't recall it. In fact, most

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cases, he ends up investigating as
an unpaid consultant to the police, and

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his friendship with Markham indicates that he
moves in society at the highest levels.

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So I generally assume that Vans is
independently wealthy. He's probably not a millionaire

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ce our discussion about millionaires last year, but he could probably get a few

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hundred thousand dollars together if he had
to. Now it's possible that Vance might

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like the piece and want to keep
it as a trophy, but given the

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high price tag, that's probably not
going to happen. But with Vance's connections,

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he should be able to sell the
music box for about what he paid

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for it, and maybe even turn
a profit if doing so makes sense for

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tax purposes. So I don't have
a trouble with that part. And I

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actually think that his deduction that the
criminals weren't at the door was kind of

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sound just because he wouldn't expect them
there, So I thought that was reasonable.

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But your other points I think totally
fair. And yeah, you could

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go at most episodes of File of
Vans for quite a long time, and

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I appreciate the points you brought out. Ken. Thank you so much.

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Now it's time to thank our Patreon
supporter of the day. Thank you to

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Keith. Patreon support order since February
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at the shameless level of four dollars
or more per month. Again, thank

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you so much for your support,
Keith, And that will do it for

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today. If you are enjoying this
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We'll be back next Thursday with another
episode of Final Vans, but join us

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back here tomorrow for yours truly Johnny
Doller and the final three parts of the

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Molly Key Matter where mister Doller it's
him man getting Browley over there. He

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just come in. Yeah, he's
seen us too, he's coming over this

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week. I gotta get out of
he sit down, Lets talkins he wants.

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You don't know him, You don't
know how he is when he gets

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made. But it looks like I'm
gonna find out. Well, seems like

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you're not very particular. But the
company you keep either, my captain,

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pull up a chair. What are
you up to dollar offering him a bribe

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to testify against me? Donate too. There's enough against you already. Yeah,

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there will be more likely when you
and them smart company lawyers get through

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you. Insurance people are all alike. You're right there to collect when it's

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due you, but your squirm when
it comes to paying off. Well,

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now that depends on the circumstances,
captain, and in this case, well,

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I wouldn't go spending that money yet
if I were you, that's what

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you've been telling him. Huh.
When I've got anything to tell, I'll

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tell her to the courts. Yeah, a long with anybody else you can

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turn against me, like my own
daughter, for instance, she even sneaked

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your on. Try to turn her
against me, Not that that took much

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doing. And Dean Sutton, owner
of the cargo. But there's a limit

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to what a man will take dollar
and I took enough already. Now you

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better quit pushing me. I'm warning
you. I'll take your warning and stick

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it where it'll do the Moscow.
You've been trying to block every attempt I've

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made to get to the bottom of
this thing. You've drank your feet every

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step of the way, deliberately,
Dolla. Nobody touched to me like that,

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and it's time somebody did. I
hope you'll join us then. In

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