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There we going Are we going good? Yeah? You guys are really uh

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playing playing with fire on when the
the mics are gonna go hot? What

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were they were the mics on?
Uh No, they just came on.

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All right, Hey, all right, what's up everyone? Welcome to game.

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Start After Dark, episode number two
hundred and thirty. Look at that.

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That's what thirty is? There is
there a sense? Is there a

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sense of surprise every time you start
a podcast and you say the number and

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you're like kind of sniky? It
really is okay too thirdy you know what?

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Yeah? I figured to get canceled
after like twenty episodes, and then

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as soon as I started this episode
six, I was talking about how Guard

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of War is like the most beautiful
woman. Yeah, I figure would be

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done after that. But Guard the
Pokemon. That's not the that's not the

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music. Interviewer guy who like it
was like, dude, yeah, dud

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dude. Anyways to two thirty two
thirty The Dentist's favorite episode. Ah way,

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uh that voice I just heard was
Kurt Indovina Greetings and salutations with my

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friends, also joined by Michael b
im Hey, what do baby ship?

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Fucking boy? And Jake Decker hello, and I'm your host John Zipeke,

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and uh, I have any planning
plan to talk about this week? Well,

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that's certainly exciting. I mean I
was actually thinking about this earlier going

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into this, because it's like so
many times when here is an opportunity to

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which a bunch of us get together
games folks, we talk about games.

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We're all people who like each other
and well fuck off, and but you

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know, it's like it's it's uh. I was kind of think coming into

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this episode where it's like, all
right, guess what ship news this week?

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Cool? Like the industry is on
fire, kind of like it's it's

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on fire in the capacity that people
are losing their jobs and we've been talking

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about this to exhaustion now for for
a year and a half straight and people

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want to talk. Basically trying to
say is like I'm more than happy to

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talk about that. We're gonna have
to talk about it. It's the nature

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of what do but holy hot shit, I don't know if there's anything left

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to say other than just another day
and observe and observing it. It's kind

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of you kind of summed it up, or like I feel like every week

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it's been like yep, another thing, and and it's like and you get

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weirdly some ways to get into it, but otherwise you don't like because like

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it's worse. Sometimes there was the
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like two news stories kind of happened
on top of more more layoffs or I

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think layoffs were announced to come and
I don't even know where at this point

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anymore. It's exhausting, but like
the two things, I do find it.

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And I'm sorry, folks, sorry, here we are. But you

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know that Embracer or what is it, Saber got out and yes, wait

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wait, Saber Interactive got out from
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Yeah. So it's like I think
it was a five hundred million deal in

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they get out, which means they
have Knights of the Old Republic remake back

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in their hands. But whether or
not that's still like a thing that's happening,

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that they still have the capacity to
do that is still apparently so that

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three employees, which she was Saber
is a huge compa private company. Yeah,

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they're here. I mean I was
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like we'll get to this later,
but actually one of the games I've been

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playing is that this week is a
saber interactive game that has like product of

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the Embrasier group at the beginning.
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it's kind of wild because it's something
I was like, I'm writing a script

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for this game. I'll talk about
later. I'm writing a script for this

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game. But I'm like, I
feel like I need to mention that this

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is published by uh Embrace group.
But interesting that I gotta I gotta change

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my script. I imagine like it's
still published by them. They still probably

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established that ship. But good for
them, good for them. Toys for

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Bob, Yeah, interesting, still
still a parent, apparently going to be

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working, like still working on a
possible partnership with Microsoft, which I find

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interesting, Like they're going to be
independent, but they're still gonna for context.

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Toys for Bob. They did,
they did this Iro trilogy did they

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did the Crash trilogy, They did
Crash four, and they did Crash Team

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Racing, all of which those have
been very well received by those fans,

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except for I think the original Crash
trilogy wasn't super well, but everything else

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has been very well received. I
remember that and so and so them doing

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a deal with Microsoft makes a lot
of sense because Microsoft now owns crash Inspiro

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and all that stuff, So like
fucking insane. I thought I never thought

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about that. Huh, they do
own that. That's weird. Gave up

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my child for adoption, they took
them. Then I got another child with

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this other company, and then now
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I want to still see them,
so I cut a deal when I get

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like, I'll pay child support.
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weird, but I really wish.
I wish those companies are best of

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luck. I mean, I can't
imagine going private would be easy. Yeah.

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And also to jump into another piece
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guess I guess I didn't mean to
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gate. It's just that I myself
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I don't know what in what way
I want, Like what can be said

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anymore? And what possibly? I
mean, I trust you you, all

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of you are way smarter than me, so I trust ever insight you have

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will be worth listening to. But
the other thing I want to mention is

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also a good piece of news,
is that Remedy bought control back, Yes,

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from five o five. So that's
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like, yeah, more layoffs.
I don't even know what the hell like

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GDC is going to be, like, I don't know, oh my god,

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but it was good to at least
see like glimmers of like some studios

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who had the ability to take to
take control. Right. Yeah, I

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think that's kind of like I think
people are looking for that, right,

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You're looking for those stories of like
moving forward and like what can we do

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whatever? Because I own your masters, you know, and that said,

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support your weird games, support your
little weird games. What are you gonna

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do for your weird games? Like
Pacific Drive? I like that game.

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That's a weird I'm excited to play
that game. Yeah, that's what's so

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don't look me. I don't want
to talk about it. First hour I

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played an hour and I wasn't wild
about it. I need to play more.

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So more hours are off and then
it clicks and you get like the

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like the like you know Seattle with
the Seattle kind of like alternative rock vibe

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on on your radio, and like
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I actually enjoy playing. Oh what's
weird is a lot like Rand. Wait

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until you hear the game that I'm
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been playing that I'm very into and
how similar it is to Ship Specific Drive.

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Are you talking about the Yeah,
okay, interesting, all right,

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I should just talk about it because
the embargo just went up today. Oh

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so you can't talk about it.
Do you have anything else to say about

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Pacific Drive? Actually, you haven't
really talked about in the podcast. You

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if you had just been talking about
we Ship the past three weeks. Yeah,

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it was just me and Michael Fantasy
for an hour. I'm so sorry.

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It's so like Pacific Drive is actually
the first new game this year that

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I played. Oh wow, and
I gamer alert. No, No,

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I've been I've been playing primarily hidden
object games, which I also want to

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hear more about later. We can
talk, we can we can circle back

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on that. Those are those things
I've like discovered my fifty five year old

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woman casual gamer era right now,
and I'm having like the fucking time of

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my life. I realized, you
know, I I God, I love

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hitting object games and I've I've discovered
a new love for them this year.

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But Pacific Drive was like the first
new game. I played that Nheald.

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I was two in the same day, and suffice to say I started playing.

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I left playing one more than the
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I don't really have that much to
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pretty early in it. But i
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Jake, I'm gonna throw you on
the spot because you're like, I did

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not like that game. He didn't
say it, like they didn't say like

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can of Reeves, but it didn't
do much for me. But I will

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say, like the first half hour, the first hour, that game is

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kind of rough. They throw a
lot at you. And I'm also not

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like a survival roguelike man in any
regards whatsoever. So it's like, I

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know, people like to be like
that seems like a Kirk game, and

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I'm like, why does it seem
like a Kirk game? Because it's weird,

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okay cool, which it is,
so fifty percent of it's weird,

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but then the other fifty percent of
it's like not really Kurt stuff. And

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I actually like, there's a lot
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on a personal level about that game. One, my dad was a car

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mechanic and so there's like a really
distinct moment when I was like in the

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garage fixing my car up, and
like the jukebox playing in the background that

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like it brought me back to the
feeling of sitting in a garage while mechanics

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worked on cars, and like the
radio hits played and it was like this

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very like oh my god, like
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But then the other part of it
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something really this is the death stranding
part of it, Like it is a

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world that you don't understand, that
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the world. There are people trapped
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they are communicating with you. And
then there are beings in that world who

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seem like they're remnants of humans in
the past. And it's like this is

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straight up dust stranding, even down
to the point like I'm just trudging through

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this world collecting items that bring back
to a place. And as I keep

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going at my car and gets better
and like the act of traversing, like

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the world like a terrain is in
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know, like an enemy to how
you work with it and I was like,

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Wow, this is adust stranding I'm
actually liking. So that's all.

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I just like it's it's I'm not
too far in it, but it's like

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it's weirdly uh satisfying bits also like
a weird Half Life five that's like fucking

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getting me all like Jimmy Whebley,
and it definitely felt the Half Life Yeah.

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Again, its like there's things in
the world that like mess with your

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car that remind me of Half Life
two, things that would like strap onto

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your vehicle when you were driving through
that game as well. So anyways,

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that's all I gotta say right now, I want to get back to it.

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I do. I just I played
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it's pretty It's a lot where it's
just like all right, I put this

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on your car, put this on
your car. Now here's this menu with

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ten disassembled this door and dissemble this
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I was like, I thought I'd
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point B, so I think I
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moment I was let go like in
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solid hour to like get to grips
with my problem, like you know,

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like actually like opening the crafting thing
and like seeing the specific things I need

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the craft It started like falling in
place, but that game does like like

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here's a garage, here's six different
stations that do six different things, and

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I was like, this is a
lot. I don't know if this is

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going to be for me, but
it's a it's doing it, and it's

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a it's a weird little game by
a small team. You know. I

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think it's really cool if they have
like Sony exclusivity there and like so it's

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like, you know, I'm trying
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play a new game by a small
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good supporting and like throwing money at
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my homegirls was she was a writer
on the game. Oh awesome, shouts

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out to Kerry. We used to
do she used to do stuff for Art

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system Works and then she moved on
and then moved on to do this,

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so nice. I might might peep
that just to support the hommies, you

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know what I'm saying. Well,
like that, I've been playing a game

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called Expeditions. Expeditions, which is
a mud runner game I don't know if

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you're familiar with the mud Runner series, but it is a Isn't it literally

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called Expedition a mud Runner game?
Yes, the title it is, which

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is a bad title. It is
a bad title. It seems like an

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embraser every level. It seems like
an embraser, sort of like a Dutch

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are people going to google ann quote
a mud Runner game where you go on

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expeditions a Dutch rudder game that's crazy? Yeah? Uh but yeah, I

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mean like Pacific Drive. It is
basically about getting from point A to point

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B, but the terrain is all
wacky. You're driving through mud, You're

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driving through mud, run through yeah, through through like rocks and driving up

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cliffs and stuff. But it gives
you a bunch of tools to make that

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somewhat easier. But it really comes
down to just like the journey of getting

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to point A to point B is
really fun because there's all these obstacles in

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your way and you can navigate them
in very creative ways that you know,

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the developer probably didn't it didn't predict, but they gave you the tool to

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confeasibly do it. So it feels
more like a puzzle game than anything else

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you were selling you so fucking hard, but you explore and it is it

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is like very meditative because when you
get in it and when you start to

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figure out the controls, Uh,
it's just kind of it's meditative. You

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just the music plays and I'm just
kind of zoning out, and then hours

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past and I'm like, oh,
I should stop playing this, I should

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do You're worthy. I haven't played
enough, probably not, but I'm enjoying

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it quite a bit. I think
reviews. I know reviews dropped it because

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I was watching some of them.
I'm not doing review because I don't have

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time to play enough to do review, but I am putting together a little

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feature video for it, just kind
of going over what it is, what

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it's about. Is it purely?
Is there a story? Are just kind

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of so like the mud Runner and
snow Runner games. I played a little

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bit of them, and those are
from what I remember, their open world

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experiences where there are missions, but
you kind of like find your own fun

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in those. This one's a little
more focused and that there are two maps

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each with I think like forty missions
or something like that, and they give

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you like very clear objectives. So
it's like, all right, you need

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to go from here to here,
and they'll be like a little bit of

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flavor text telling you what it is. Like I did one mission where it's

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like we've heard stories that there's like
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We want to get photos of it. So like you basically drive to an

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area, pull out a drone,
scout around you find it, drive over

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to that area, and then you
like take pictures and then it's like mission

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complete. And then they the rain
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then fragiles like I'm not fragile.
I'm yeah, So there's no story basically

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good, but I'm enjoying it quite
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it's it's very meditative. Uh,
there is a co op mode, but

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it's not in the game yet.
And for some reason, a co op

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mode seems like it would work very
well in this style of game, Like

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I imagine I'd have a lot of
fun with just another person and we're just

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kind of driving around this world,
exploring, finding random missions and messing around

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getting cars stuck, and you can
like winch other cars and stuff. If

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they so like, you know,
if my buddy gets stuck in mud,

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I'm like, don't worry, I
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there. It seems like a real
game for dads. It is, It

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certainly is. What's that? What's
that game you mentioned last week? Is

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it a the the one Drew Scanlon
played a lot on U p F The

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Car some my Summer Car. I
was not somebody else, somebody else about

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it? You're talking about my my
uncle jealoppe, No, no, you

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just mentioned it to you. You're
talking about drive. There's like a like

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a game very similar to like both
of these called My Summer Car or something

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like that. That's what's up.
Cool, you tell me about it.

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You you build your car, you
work on your car, and then you

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like drive off places and discover things
and do little objectives like find the ship

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or my uncle's Jelope. Really there's
multiple of these games could be. Yeah,

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I don't know. There's a simulator
for anything. Yeah, So that's

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what's up. Sick sick? Cool? All right, Well, if Jake's

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been playing games for dads, Kurt, tell me about your games from moms.

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I've been talking a lot, but
yeah, I'm gonna I'll be a

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while since I've heard you talk,
So give me what I want. You

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can call me what I came for. Yeah, yeah, ALM was thinking

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about texting you the other day because
I missed you. Yeah, I would

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have. I would have kissed you
through the phone. Okay, I would

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have complimented you as I'm always like
what you're wearing. Uh So, now

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I know what me and Michaels religious. Oh yeah, sometimes I shirtless picks

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and have one. Yeah, you
in bed, but wearing a hat like

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a sick like brimmed hat. Okay, So I feel like I've unlocked an

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important part of the next step in
my in my wife wife congress. Uh

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So, I've always so I've been
playing what are called hopahs, also known

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as hidden object Oh there's there's there's
like five acronyms, because there's like hog

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which is just you know, like
game, There's hope us, and then

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there's like hope hogs, like there's
a whole. All these as were different

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versions and styles. Because this is
an iceberg, there is such a beautiful

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rabbit hole for hidden object games and
I and I've been saying this probably pacing

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back, what is a hidden object
game? Okay's let's start there. A

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hidden object game, it's like,
I mean, it's kind of hard to

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explain. It's not because the basis
is you have a you. It is

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usually a screen filled with lots of
objects, and then you are given a

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list of objects to find. It's
basically I spy a game. The thing

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that makes hidden object games so interesting
is that over the past, maybe since

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like I want to say, twenty
eleven was like the turning point is where

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these games started becoming story games that
involved adventure game elements that had puzzle solving

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in like the world, but usually
would work by going and finding a hidden

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object area and when you're done doing
the hidden objects, you then get an

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item that you can use for puzzle
somewhere else in the world. They are

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extremely overly detail, Like all these
games feature just immaculate, overly lit like

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uh, like pieces of art that
have six lighting sources, five million objects

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and it's like somehow like photo realistic
and like to the point where like it

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almost looks like AI generated art.
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handmade. They're not I fully expect
them to eventually, yeah, unfortunately.

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But like my big thing is like
I love puzzle I love like point click

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puzzle adventure games, and they're very
they're not that much different than that.

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The difference is puzzle adventure games from
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like Grim Fandango. Those are story
games where the puzzles uplift the story,

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like the puzzles are the agency for
the story. The hidden object games are

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the opposite, where it's like the
puzzles are the focus and the story is

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just there to give you a little
like push to want to care about going

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to next thing. The stories are
fucking nonsense, Jean Luke, I'm gonna

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quote you because you did an excellent
job. It's basically the life. They're

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like the lifetime Hallmark movie equivalent.
Yes, but for games so like it's

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always like a female protagonist. There's
literally, you know, like there's movies.

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It's like the type of thing where
it's like girl. Uh, Like

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they're all gothic. They usually have
like gothic girls. No, they're like

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a lot of there, like with
like fairy tale kind of energy. You

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know. There's there's a multiple of
them. Based on the nutcrackery. There

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there are ones that are like straight
up Hallmark like thirty year old woman comes

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back to her hometown is like Nancy
Drew, but gothic kind of. I

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mean, Nancy Drew is far more
actual like puzzle puzzle adventure game than these.

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But yeah, like there there's like
girl goes back to small hometown and

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she's like seeing her family at Oh
there's her her friend from high school that

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she hasn't seen in forever, like, oh, maybe they'll get together on

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Christmas Day. And you're like,
this is literally a Hallmark original and you

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know, then you take that same
plot line and I spy in the middle

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of it and or and then you
can apply it to any genre imaginable.

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You just like, he's a vampire
in one where he's Frankenstein's monster in one,

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or he's a werewolf and turn into
a nutcracker, or he's he's like

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or like, you know, he's
a he's it turns out like your love

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interest is actually a priest who's like
sacrificing women in the in the bottom of

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of a cave. This is one
of the games I play. Yeah,

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some of them get weird, uh, And I played four over the past

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few weeks, and two of them
are actually fantastic. How long do they

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take on average? I imagine them
only being like a couple hours. But

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do they I mean they're puzzle,
so it depends. But I play on

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expert mode. So that's the great
thing. All these offers expert mode.

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All these offer all these games offer
like it's the standard for two modes.

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It's the casual mode or there's expert
mode. And basically casual mode will like

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show you hints on screen naturally,
okay, or like give you the option

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to skip certain puzzles. Advance mode
is like you're given you're giving no hints

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whatsoever? You like? All the
hidden object screens are like twenty items and

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they're extreemly difficult or use like absurd
vocabularies to describe very common items. Like

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I keep asking, do you know
what a Michael mind? Now? Do

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you know what a burgie is?
Burgie? That's a that's a that's what

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you get from McDonald's. Do you
know, really I don't know what's a

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real burgie? Okay exactly. So
I was like staring at the screen,

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being like, what is a burgie? And it's basically a pended flag.

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It's like it's like an actual name
for a pended flag, but they use

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those type of things to trick you
into finding these objects anyways. But advance

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mode is like, uh, you'll
find yourself doing hidden like the same hidden

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object screen multiple times and different items
to find anyways. So yeah, advance

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mode is where it's at. And
so the answer a question like I think

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the True Fear I think. I
spent like eight hours sudden on both True

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Fear games, and then I played
one called Numatis and I can never say

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the name. There's like five of
those, and that one was only like

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five hours. It wasn't very I
didn't love it. But apparently that's the

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one that like changed the landscape for
Hidden Object Puzzle Adventure. It's like the

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half life of Hidden Object. Yeah, whoa okay, like but not good.

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Uh. And I played two called
True Fear for Saken Souls Part one

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and Part two and they fucking ruled. So check those the True Souls for

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Saken, True Fear for True Fear. I'm playing one right now called Dracula's

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Legacy. Oh, I thought that
was a Castlevania game. You mentioned it's

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a d an object game. True
Fear for Saken Souls is as bad as

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Expedition of part. And the thing
is, the thing why I think I'm

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getting so excited about this is like, first I was doing a lot of

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research and it's sick. It is
kind of sick. It's really good.

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Two Fears, four Souls, Yes, one coming up? Yeah, but

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like, why am I so short
right now? Going on that chaired and

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stay up? Yeah, just like
real but not cragger call you they uh

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true fear where I was like,
oh yeah, so this is where I'm

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getting most excited. I was doing
a lot of research on these games because

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I've always seen them and I've always
had like a more curiosity about them,

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and now it's just the fuck it, I'm doing it. It is such

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a rabbit hole because there are so
many They all have like five sequels or

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more. They like you go on
Steam and these games have like thousands of

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reviews. Like there is like a
dedicated fan base for these things. And

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when I looked up that fan base, it's fifty five plus women, and

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I'm like, so, I'm right
the hell yeah, I'm right there with

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them. I'm willing to bet that's
just like my recommended there's two demographics for

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these kind of games. Kurt,
No, no, No, fifty plus

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women. And then I bet if
you turn on the the not Safe for

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work if you turn off the game. So there are so many like but

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this low lift horrendous. But this
is actually you bring up my next my

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next point, which is where I
feel like this genre has so much left

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on the table. Yeah, because
you might be right, I haven't looked.

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Frankly, I think Jake's about to
I am going, Well, the

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big thing with these hidden object games
is a lot of them come out on

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iPad and like mobile, so they
might there might not be as many like

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not Safer Work once but you but
I've been playing them on contract, but

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they I think mobiles is their main
target. They're probably like most the moms

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are probably not playing it on the
not they don't got their Steam account slowed

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up. They'll steam deck, Yeah, they don't get steam decks. Are

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playing this on I'm playing Dragons,
like I said my steam deck. Well,

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good for you ninety nine on Steam
as it has a use offer code.

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Kurts Ramah. But you know,
you're absolutely right, So like I'm

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interested. But the thing that the
thing that boggles my mind the most is

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it's like earlier, how we were
talking about like the lifetime Hallmark loltline that

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can be pushed into any genre or
setting, Victorian, cyberpunk, whatever that

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exists out there. Sure, the
thing that boggles my mind is also the

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perfect formula in which you can basically
apply any ip to it and like it

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will like just sell it's like self
to a casual demographic Like this is the

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perfect like place to do like where's
the X Files? Hid an object game?

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Where's where's the Twin Peaks one?
Where it's like like I'm the game

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with Last of Us like Game of
Thrones like anything. Like it's a perfect

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like blanket sort of like template to
just be Like it feels like one of

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those genres that kind of like is
getting ignored, but like it's like yeah,

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it's like they like they don't think
that way. They're not thinking about

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like our brand. You know,
we gotta do this. It's like why

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not where's hey, where's my witcher? Yeah? Object? But instead we

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get like shit fucking mobile games sure
that are fucking like genuine shit, genuine

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crap, and like hidden object games
follow a formula that aren't bad. They're

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just like trite, but like they
work. You know. That's like That's

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where I get like, you know, kind of huffed up about it.

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But anyways, all I'm saying is
that did you find something? So maybe

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it's not as big of like a
subset of these, but someone's definitely a

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couple's definitely some I can't sure.
I read some of the titles. Yeah

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you on? Are you on the
work? Wi fi? Uh? I

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wonder if that's an issue. I
can Vampire Mansion, that's normal. Well,

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yeah, do you want me to
click in though? And then you

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can? Yes, I want to
see. I clicked in and I was

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like, that's definitely okay. Perky
little Things escape from the Room of the

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Serving Doll, Spooky Milk Life,
spooky milk. That is intriguing. Well,

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I have some research to do tonight. But uh, but all I'm

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saying is that they're all horror though
they're like that's the thing. They're so

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like like they don't have to be
horror. No, but like, anyways,

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where's the basketball hit an Object game? Oh? Hell yeah, Like

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I'm just all I'm saying is like
it's gotten my brain going and getting excited,

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and like they're also the perfect balance
of where like they are casual,

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they are kind of monotonous, but
the puzzles actually can be difficult and it

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makes my brain feel good when I
do them. Some of them. True

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Fear has like some genuinely good puzzles. Some of them are you know you've

405
00:28:22.720 --> 00:28:26.480
seen Once you see them, you
seum sort of deal in other games,

406
00:28:26.480 --> 00:28:29.920
But that is what I've been playing. Like Pacific Drive is the first new

407
00:28:29.960 --> 00:28:32.039
game this year that actually like took
a step back, and it was like,

408
00:28:32.039 --> 00:28:34.079
I should probably play something new,
Like I feel like it's my due

409
00:28:34.079 --> 00:28:37.440
diligences my position, like to like
try and like play some of these new

410
00:28:37.480 --> 00:28:40.880
games. I mean, after the
end of the year, I like took

411
00:28:40.880 --> 00:28:42.480
a step back in general, which
just like I need to flow it out

412
00:28:42.519 --> 00:28:47.640
a little bit and play things for
me. And those things were True Fear

413
00:28:47.720 --> 00:28:52.440
for Saken and Souls Part one and
part two, two Fears for Saken Souls

414
00:28:52.640 --> 00:28:56.880
and it's getting a third one.
That's how good they are. Two three

415
00:28:56.000 --> 00:29:00.640
Forsaken, three Fears six Saken.
Yeah, I can't do it. And

416
00:29:00.759 --> 00:29:03.920
like a lot of these company none
of them are American, like a lot

417
00:29:03.920 --> 00:29:07.039
of them are Polish. There's a
lot of Polish hidden object game developers in

418
00:29:07.079 --> 00:29:10.400
Germany. The cyberpunk one going.
That's what I'm saying. I'm pretty sure

419
00:29:10.440 --> 00:29:15.759
I saw somebody who wrote True Fear
for Saken Souls, Dmitri something another I

420
00:29:15.799 --> 00:29:18.559
think he may have actually worked on. I think he may have contributed something

421
00:29:18.680 --> 00:29:22.000
for CDPR at some point. It's
a small community over there as far as

422
00:29:22.400 --> 00:29:25.960
so, Kurt, you know how
you get this genre of poppin and get

423
00:29:25.960 --> 00:29:29.799
people excited? Curt Locker, Well, there's that because because you do just

424
00:29:29.880 --> 00:29:34.680
make things happen with those Oh yeah
I do. Yeah, and I am

425
00:29:34.720 --> 00:29:37.119
the soothsayer? Is the is my
last name? I was going to say,

426
00:29:37.119 --> 00:29:41.920
Man, you get to make no
object game. I don't touch my

427
00:29:42.240 --> 00:29:47.680
That's is what if OD was just
a hidden object game, like that's what

428
00:29:47.799 --> 00:29:51.960
he gives Microsoft, I mean,
then I'd be like Phil Spencer's like,

429
00:29:51.960 --> 00:29:55.839
what the fuck? Man? I
mean that's probably. I mean, dude,

430
00:29:56.039 --> 00:29:57.799
people are treating the trailer like a
fucking hidden object game. They're like

431
00:29:57.839 --> 00:30:02.079
pausing and constant lookally, look there's
a tooth in his mouth, like like

432
00:30:02.200 --> 00:30:04.640
there's his teeth and all, like
this is like nothing you've ever played.

433
00:30:06.119 --> 00:30:07.559
Yeah, it's everything. Yeah,
Oh my, That's what I'm saying.

434
00:30:07.599 --> 00:30:10.519
Co G is gonna put it a
hidden object game, and he's going to

435
00:30:10.680 --> 00:30:11.839
use the same line he does every
single time. He's gonna be like,

436
00:30:12.799 --> 00:30:17.519
it's like a game, but it's
like a movie and you've never experienced anything

437
00:30:17.519 --> 00:30:18.799
like it before, and it's gonna
be a fucking hitten object game. It's

438
00:30:18.799 --> 00:30:23.920
just going to be true fear for
saken Soul's O. D imagine just like

439
00:30:25.079 --> 00:30:27.680
the most expensive cut scene though,
like into it, and all of a

440
00:30:27.680 --> 00:30:33.799
sudden you just get to the still
image and except all the fifty five plus

441
00:30:33.839 --> 00:30:36.319
you're a women who are gonna play
are gonna fall asleep during the forty five

442
00:30:36.319 --> 00:30:40.960
minute cuts put together? I mean
I probably would too, Yeah, exactly.

443
00:30:41.160 --> 00:30:45.240
So, Uh I do I want
them to be? How do I?

444
00:30:45.359 --> 00:30:48.160
I think they already? I think
the point is like, there's clearly

445
00:30:48.240 --> 00:30:53.960
a really good market, and as
I see the gaming world crumble around,

446
00:30:55.200 --> 00:31:00.480
everyone pivot to I'd like seeing I'm
seeing hidden object games that like are having

447
00:31:00.599 --> 00:31:06.039
sequels and news updates and audiences that
are engaging with it, like waiting like

448
00:31:06.240 --> 00:31:08.119
for it. So it's like,
I don't know, I'm I think that's

449
00:31:08.160 --> 00:31:11.200
the boat I'm happy I'm hopping on. Well, I was talking about that

450
00:31:11.200 --> 00:31:14.720
the other day with Nancy Drew.
But how they had a formula. They

451
00:31:14.759 --> 00:31:17.240
were making those games on the cheap
and they made two of them a year

452
00:31:17.559 --> 00:31:21.000
for twenty fucking years, like they
were they just had it. They had

453
00:31:21.039 --> 00:31:23.200
it figured out. And then they
ruined it because they went to because you

454
00:31:23.279 --> 00:31:26.519
went to Unity, and then they
were like, no, we'll make a

455
00:31:26.599 --> 00:31:30.160
real game now, and then like
it all fell apart. So they should

456
00:31:30.160 --> 00:31:33.519
have just stuck with the formula.
Yeazy, yeah. So, And I

457
00:31:33.559 --> 00:31:37.359
also find this a really good gateway
for people who like love missed. Oh

458
00:31:37.359 --> 00:31:40.319
I'm sure it's very missed like qualities
to playing these games, but a little

459
00:31:40.359 --> 00:31:44.799
bit more like sped up and maybe
not as like intertwining as so those puzzles

460
00:31:44.839 --> 00:31:47.880
are. It makes bad shit,
like no sense. Those games, like

461
00:31:47.960 --> 00:31:51.359
you know you like will go and
unlock. You will have to find a

462
00:31:51.519 --> 00:31:56.559
very specific kind of screwdriver to open
a vent in a wall that is encased

463
00:31:56.559 --> 00:32:00.160
in ice, And in order to
get the screw driver, you have to

464
00:32:00.240 --> 00:32:04.400
like find a soap bar and the
screwdrivers in the soap bar, but you

465
00:32:04.559 --> 00:32:07.279
have to like melt the soap bar
down or get a knife to cut open

466
00:32:07.359 --> 00:32:10.720
the soap bar. But then you
like get the screwdriver and it's covered with

467
00:32:10.799 --> 00:32:14.279
russ, so then you have to
get oil to clean the russ off of

468
00:32:14.319 --> 00:32:16.200
it. But then you have to
go and like find a generator to like

469
00:32:16.440 --> 00:32:20.240
heat up the wall so the ice
melts you can unscrew it. And by

470
00:32:20.240 --> 00:32:22.559
the time you get in there,
the key that you need is inside another

471
00:32:22.680 --> 00:32:24.480
key that's like encased in barbed wires, so you need to go get bolt

472
00:32:24.480 --> 00:32:28.839
cutters to go to it. Like
I'm not joking. This is These are

473
00:32:28.880 --> 00:32:31.359
the puzzles and fruit fear. It's
like puzzles on puzzles on puzzles and puzzles,

474
00:32:31.359 --> 00:32:35.160
and they make fucking zero sense.
I fucking love it. But at

475
00:32:35.200 --> 00:32:38.599
the moment, I like open a
Teddy Bear after like pouring like acid on

476
00:32:38.720 --> 00:32:43.720
it that I found in like Grandma's
shoe box, and like I see like

477
00:32:44.000 --> 00:32:46.400
a screwdriver or a like a ruler
inside the bear. I'm like, oh

478
00:32:46.480 --> 00:32:49.400
my god, I know what to
do with this. I'm like, you

479
00:32:49.480 --> 00:32:52.359
know exactly where I have to go
in the world to go measure something to

480
00:32:52.400 --> 00:32:55.240
then use that to like cut a
piece of wood and put it inside a

481
00:32:55.279 --> 00:33:01.920
wedge somewhere it's fucking I love it, opous copas damn. So yeah,

482
00:33:01.960 --> 00:33:06.720
but I'm like, I'm not exaggerating
what I just said. Half of that

483
00:33:06.880 --> 00:33:08.799
was real puzzles that I had to
deal with. I don't know, I

484
00:33:08.880 --> 00:33:15.519
believe, I know you're not lying. Nah yeah, damn, that's what's

485
00:33:15.599 --> 00:33:19.559
up? All right, things,
folks for having me on this week hops,

486
00:33:20.799 --> 00:33:23.680
go play and just try it.
They're cheap. I implore you just

487
00:33:23.720 --> 00:33:28.359
buy one, give it a shot, and if you don't like it,

488
00:33:28.720 --> 00:33:34.480
I won't ref I won't. I'll
send you an apology letter. Yeah you

489
00:33:34.559 --> 00:33:38.720
will. I will. I received
those not apology letters. But I'm sorry,

490
00:33:38.880 --> 00:33:44.359
Michael for for saying what I said
to your shirt list picture with the

491
00:33:44.400 --> 00:33:49.079
hat you sent me. I'll consider
it. And also, don't fucking say

492
00:33:49.079 --> 00:33:50.880
you had a bad time just so
you get it. A writ an apology

493
00:33:50.960 --> 00:33:52.680
letter, by the way, like, be honest with me. Okay,

494
00:33:54.079 --> 00:33:59.920
oh okay, yeah, okay,
I'll get one. I'll try. Yeah,

495
00:34:00.119 --> 00:34:05.599
ok I'll give it. I'll do
the Milkers one. Who needs who

496
00:34:05.720 --> 00:34:12.199
needs? Who needs? Spooky Spooky
Milk Club Spooky Milk? Yeah? Who

497
00:34:12.280 --> 00:34:15.320
needs? Kojima to make a game. This is how it works. I

498
00:34:15.440 --> 00:34:17.480
just started telling people, it's good. What can we make our own?

499
00:34:19.039 --> 00:34:22.119
I want to Jake took a game
making class week. Yeah, I was

500
00:34:22.159 --> 00:34:25.159
saying. I was saying we should
just start pitching it to game DEDs like,

501
00:34:25.239 --> 00:34:30.079
hey, we'll turn your your your
I p and doc is in a

502
00:34:30.119 --> 00:34:34.280
couple of weeks. Now, hey, I know everything's on fire over there

503
00:34:34.360 --> 00:34:37.079
a Naughty Dog or in the world
of gaming, but the low cost of

504
00:34:37.440 --> 00:34:43.000
fifty thousand, you couldn't do your
multiplayer game. However, give us,

505
00:34:43.159 --> 00:34:45.360
you know, a couple of weeks
and maybe a I don't know, a

506
00:34:45.440 --> 00:34:49.559
bite to eat. We still we
still got a ways to go before g

507
00:34:49.719 --> 00:34:54.559
T A six. How about we
soften that time making a g T as

508
00:34:55.039 --> 00:34:58.760
thing. To me, it's like
it's just like, all right, we

509
00:34:58.840 --> 00:35:00.239
don't have all right games coming out, or if you delay a game,

510
00:35:00.400 --> 00:35:07.559
you soften the blow with because you're
an object game. Sorry, Elder Scroll

511
00:35:07.559 --> 00:35:12.280
six doesn't come out yet, but
don't worry. I would fucking go so

512
00:35:12.559 --> 00:35:15.280
hard on an on a like an
Elder Schools, an object game like I

513
00:35:15.360 --> 00:35:30.679
would be so pumped to do that
things. Kids, keep the keep the

514
00:35:30.840 --> 00:35:36.159
keep the hope alive. They're there, hop us hopahs an object puzzle adventure

515
00:35:36.960 --> 00:35:42.480
hop On hop On does hope on? All right, we need to move

516
00:35:42.559 --> 00:35:46.159
on to what I don't know?
Well, you meant you mentioned Missed,

517
00:35:46.199 --> 00:35:51.719
and it reminded me that I played
Homebody a few weeks ago and I never

518
00:35:51.800 --> 00:35:54.159
actually had talked about it. For
those who don't know, that is a

519
00:35:55.119 --> 00:36:00.400
horror game made by some of the
people who made Dreamed. Everyone remembers that

520
00:36:00.639 --> 00:36:06.679
this yeah visual novel where you date
hot dads, but they made it.

521
00:36:06.719 --> 00:36:09.159
They made a horror game where I
don't want to give too much of the

522
00:36:09.239 --> 00:36:14.000
premise away, but it's basically like
a love letter to games like Missed,

523
00:36:15.000 --> 00:36:22.320
Nightmare Dad, as well as Seventh
Guest. They specifically reference Seventh Guests,

524
00:36:22.800 --> 00:36:29.079
Like in a no there's one of
the characters like is like a gamer and

525
00:36:29.280 --> 00:36:31.320
they're talking about like old games,
and they talk about Seventh Guests at one

526
00:36:31.360 --> 00:36:34.320
point, and I was like,
I know what you're doing, or like

527
00:36:34.440 --> 00:36:37.360
yeah, it also like clock tow
where I would say because basically the premises

528
00:36:37.440 --> 00:36:45.000
you're you are stuck in a You
are a person who is visiting a cabin

529
00:36:45.360 --> 00:36:49.599
to like hang out with your friends
for the weekend, and you get to

530
00:36:49.679 --> 00:36:53.679
this cabin and then a killer shows
up and starts trying to kill you,

531
00:36:54.199 --> 00:36:59.800
and you have to like escape the
killer and solve a bunch of puzzles in

532
00:37:00.079 --> 00:37:04.000
his house because it has like like
it turns out like the basement and has

533
00:37:04.119 --> 00:37:12.480
just like these misstyle weird puzzles you
have to do. And I think you

534
00:37:12.519 --> 00:37:17.360
said is it console or PC only
at the time, so on Steam it

535
00:37:17.960 --> 00:37:22.280
is. I think it's extremely well
made. It's got that that kind of

536
00:37:22.320 --> 00:37:27.119
low low poly ps one sort of
aesthetic to it, a little bit more

537
00:37:27.159 --> 00:37:30.840
stylized, a little a little more
stylized than that. It's got like the

538
00:37:30.880 --> 00:37:32.920
fixed camera angle thing. Uh,
you know, kind of reminds me of

539
00:37:34.039 --> 00:37:36.400
you know, obviously you'd think resonable, but even like the original Alone in

540
00:37:36.440 --> 00:37:38.440
the Dark kind of in some ways, I would say, But yeah,

541
00:37:38.440 --> 00:37:43.800
I forgot that this month. That
is I'm very curious about that. Oh

542
00:37:44.039 --> 00:37:46.800
yeah, we'll see anyway. But
it's it's really good, Like I like,

543
00:37:46.960 --> 00:37:50.119
I it was a game that I
just like did not want to put

544
00:37:50.159 --> 00:37:53.960
down, like as I played it, like the the way does its puzzles

545
00:37:54.039 --> 00:38:00.920
is incredibly smart and fun. Uh, it's storytelling is super interesting. Again,

546
00:38:00.960 --> 00:38:05.079
I don't want to give too much
way, but it it's more than

547
00:38:05.320 --> 00:38:09.000
it seems at first glance. And
a lot of the game is about sort

548
00:38:09.000 --> 00:38:16.079
of like mental health and kind of
like the characters, like like the the

549
00:38:17.239 --> 00:38:22.000
main character is I forget what the
term would be, but like she's a

550
00:38:22.079 --> 00:38:24.920
homebody in like a literal sense,
like she doesn't like leaving her house and

551
00:38:25.000 --> 00:38:30.360
so like ahochorophobic that's the term.
So like her coming to this event is

552
00:38:30.440 --> 00:38:35.800
like a big deal for her because
she like basically like moved away from her

553
00:38:35.880 --> 00:38:38.199
friends, had been like in the
city for a few years, didn't kind

554
00:38:38.199 --> 00:38:42.119
of like didn't communicate with them,
not because she didn't want to, but

555
00:38:42.199 --> 00:38:46.119
because she just like didn't know how, and so like feels like a lot

556
00:38:46.119 --> 00:38:50.360
of anxiety about that. And yes, some characters who are like no,

557
00:38:50.480 --> 00:38:53.159
it's fine, Like other characters are
like kind of being huge dicks about it,

558
00:38:53.239 --> 00:38:55.239
but they also have their own issues
going on. So like, after're

559
00:38:55.239 --> 00:38:59.119
playing the game, you're kind of
like learning more about these characters and like

560
00:38:59.199 --> 00:39:02.679
what their deal is and and it's
it's it's really cool. Like I think

561
00:39:02.719 --> 00:39:07.559
I think that game is really really
special and I highly recommend it if anyone

562
00:39:08.159 --> 00:39:12.199
hasn't played. It came out like
mid last year. I remember picking it

563
00:39:12.280 --> 00:39:15.119
up being like, I gotta play
this, and then I just like never

564
00:39:15.199 --> 00:39:17.800
had the chance and I didn't finally
touched it until the beginning of this year.

565
00:39:17.880 --> 00:39:22.119
But I do not regret it.
It's a great game. Yeah,

566
00:39:22.159 --> 00:39:24.599
I've been eying I was eyeing it
down earlier. What about your milk drugs

567
00:39:25.280 --> 00:39:34.199
games? Whoa what? Excuse me? What you don't want to know about

568
00:39:34.239 --> 00:39:43.000
that? What? What? What? What was that about it? Appropriate?

569
00:39:43.519 --> 00:39:45.599
I was? I was, I
was like in the zone listen,

570
00:39:46.039 --> 00:39:49.800
I'm just like, wow, fast, this is really fascinating. And then

571
00:39:49.960 --> 00:39:52.239
Kurt turns to me and says,
hey, milk jugs, Am I right?

572
00:39:52.360 --> 00:39:55.320
Like fuck? Yeah, dog,
trust me, I've seen some ship

573
00:39:57.800 --> 00:40:04.320
Yeah. Fuck, that's crazy.
I've been playing any I haven't been playing

574
00:40:04.320 --> 00:40:09.760
any Hentai games. That was just
to be clear, I thought I thought

575
00:40:09.760 --> 00:40:15.559
you were talking about this Final Fantasy. Oh well actually okay yo, yeah,

576
00:40:15.599 --> 00:40:17.159
okay. Now people are playing Final
Fantasy Rebirth and they know what the

577
00:40:17.199 --> 00:40:23.079
deal is with the one Teatha Lockheart. Yeah yeah, make it the cost

578
00:40:23.119 --> 00:40:25.920
of Bill Soul and new You'll see, dude, that outfit is real,

579
00:40:27.320 --> 00:40:31.079
real, ugly. Oh yeah,
it's terrible. It's so awful. I

580
00:40:31.239 --> 00:40:35.000
chose the other one for it looks
sick, like, oh, that's a

581
00:40:35.039 --> 00:40:37.639
cool outfit. The other one is
like is this ugly? But the one

582
00:40:37.719 --> 00:40:43.400
with the yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, so it was. I

583
00:40:43.440 --> 00:40:45.320
mean, you wrote a review obviously, yeah, because I you know,

584
00:40:45.400 --> 00:40:49.679
the one thing I've noticed online is
that no one's really talking about whether or

585
00:40:49.679 --> 00:40:55.400
not the game is good. Yes, I spent three thousand words talking about

586
00:40:57.199 --> 00:41:02.440
Tifa's outfits close to Ault Soul.
Oh my god game. If a fanbi

587
00:41:02.519 --> 00:41:05.519
was still around, that would have
been a little mini review that would have

588
00:41:05.559 --> 00:41:07.840
been yeah, yo, it would
have had had a micro review, micro

589
00:41:07.840 --> 00:41:12.280
review, that's microview. Hey damn, I missed micro reviews. Bring fan

590
00:41:12.400 --> 00:41:15.599
Bye back. You know what I'm
saying, You could do some Mike Kroll

591
00:41:15.840 --> 00:41:19.599
reviews, Michael reviews. Yeah,
here you go, start your own thing.

592
00:41:20.000 --> 00:41:22.559
Fan by two. Let's go.
Let's fucking get it. Get some

593
00:41:22.639 --> 00:41:27.400
funding over to my boy John Warren
will do it. We talked about last

594
00:41:27.440 --> 00:41:30.320
week all episode. But yeah,
that's incredible game. I mean, but

595
00:41:30.400 --> 00:41:32.880
that's that's like as I have you
only been playing that or finally, oh

596
00:41:34.920 --> 00:41:37.679
well, the review Margo was last
week. So since then I've been playing,

597
00:41:37.239 --> 00:41:40.039
I've been able to engage in other
things. So it's been eighty two

598
00:41:40.119 --> 00:41:45.239
hours playing Final Fantasy seven Rebirth for
three weeks total, and that that I'm

599
00:41:45.280 --> 00:41:47.760
in the zone. That's all I
felt thought about. That's all I played,

600
00:41:49.039 --> 00:41:52.360
and it kind of just dictated my
life for a while, which I

601
00:41:52.480 --> 00:41:55.920
was perfectly fine with because I absolutely
loved that game up until the final three

602
00:41:57.000 --> 00:42:00.920
hours of it. So that's how
long that final part is? Ah ish

603
00:42:01.400 --> 00:42:05.719
ish okay? Yeah? Yeah,
So I mean you play an I play

604
00:42:05.760 --> 00:42:07.280
a game for eighty two hours the
last three hours or like, yeah,

605
00:42:07.880 --> 00:42:12.039
off like off the rails in a
bad way. You know, what are

606
00:42:12.039 --> 00:42:14.960
you gonna do? For context,
Kurt, he's not gonna play this game.

607
00:42:15.320 --> 00:42:19.320
Uh went into a room with her
editor Max and just had him explain

608
00:42:19.760 --> 00:42:22.760
what happened in the ending to him. So Kurt knows what happens. Yeah,

609
00:42:22.760 --> 00:42:27.199
I was just like, he really
doesn't, because like I basically was

610
00:42:27.320 --> 00:42:30.679
like I played the original, I
know what happens, like I can't.

611
00:42:30.760 --> 00:42:35.519
I didn't. I have really mixed
feelings on remake, and I have no

612
00:42:35.920 --> 00:42:38.880
I'm just not gonna play Rebirth and
I walked into work and I was like,

613
00:42:39.280 --> 00:42:42.519
looking at Max, so I know
has been I was like, you

614
00:42:42.519 --> 00:42:44.039
know, fuck it, and I
was like, can you come, can

615
00:42:44.079 --> 00:42:46.360
you come in this room? I
was just tell me, just tell him

616
00:42:46.360 --> 00:42:49.199
at the ending, just tell it
all to me. And he set up

617
00:42:49.199 --> 00:42:52.239
a bunch of shit. I bet
none of it made sense, and I

618
00:42:52.320 --> 00:42:54.639
think, I mean it kind of. I think I asked questions yeah that

619
00:42:54.840 --> 00:42:57.679
Max was like, yeah, I
think you're right, but I was like,

620
00:42:57.760 --> 00:43:00.840
I don't. I no, no, don't. Don't assume anything I'm

621
00:43:00.840 --> 00:43:02.719
saying right now is right because I
have no idea what you're talking about.

622
00:43:02.719 --> 00:43:06.440
I'm just trying to make sense of
it, is all, so I know

623
00:43:06.519 --> 00:43:09.719
what happens. Yeah, Well,
you can ask ten different people what happens

624
00:43:09.719 --> 00:43:13.360
at the end of this game.
You'll get ten different answers. Ask me,

625
00:43:14.440 --> 00:43:16.679
No, what I gonna do this
podcast? Yeah, tweeted me and

626
00:43:16.760 --> 00:43:22.400
all, uh, the game just
came out last night. So Kurt will

627
00:43:22.400 --> 00:43:27.039
send you a letter in the mail. I'll write you the ending. Yeah,

628
00:43:27.519 --> 00:43:30.840
and every letter I said, that's
gonna be different, but all correct.

629
00:43:31.039 --> 00:43:34.199
Yeah, but all of it's going
to be correct, and you'll have

630
00:43:34.320 --> 00:43:37.639
to find the correct you'll have to
find letters, combined letters and find this

631
00:43:37.719 --> 00:43:43.039
is a hit object. Everyone's put
their letters together. If you put together,

632
00:43:43.039 --> 00:43:46.079
you're going to get a hidden object
board. Maybe we just don't can't

633
00:43:46.159 --> 00:43:51.559
comprehend the ending of Rebirth because it
is a hidden object games. You gotta

634
00:43:51.840 --> 00:43:55.000
watch it, man, that's like
like frame by frame, find different objects

635
00:43:55.039 --> 00:44:00.840
they put Actually, that sounds like
it. There is an element of that

636
00:44:01.480 --> 00:44:06.320
in the ending that will tell you
about what the fuck they're trying to do

637
00:44:06.440 --> 00:44:09.360
with this. Really, yes,
i'll tell you about it after the podcast.

638
00:44:10.159 --> 00:44:13.320
Oh, actually, what the fuck? You haven't even you haven't finished

639
00:44:13.320 --> 00:44:16.800
it yet. I haven't played,
Okay, I'll tell you Max. Well,

640
00:44:17.000 --> 00:44:21.400
yeah, I'll tell Max because there
is an element of that that says

641
00:44:21.480 --> 00:44:22.880
something. You and Max go into
the room and talked about it, and

642
00:44:23.000 --> 00:44:30.440
Kurt's just there like, oh my
god. Anyway, I've been playing other

643
00:44:30.480 --> 00:44:39.559
things besides Final Fantasy seven Rebirth.
Finally one is Blatro. Yeah, Blatro,

644
00:44:40.079 --> 00:44:45.119
I've I fucking hate that game,
and then there are times like fucking

645
00:44:45.239 --> 00:44:50.960
love that game. Blatro is the
pure, purest distillation of highest highs and

646
00:44:51.039 --> 00:44:57.239
lowest lows. You will feel so
fucking terrible and you will feel like ship

647
00:44:57.360 --> 00:45:02.280
when you make it to the last
row of boss fights whatever, and then

648
00:45:02.320 --> 00:45:05.960
you just come up short. So
the long story short is, if you

649
00:45:05.960 --> 00:45:07.840
don't know what Bilatro is, it's
a poker game, but it's a deck

650
00:45:07.920 --> 00:45:13.400
building poker game. So you have
a fifty two deck of cards and you

651
00:45:13.599 --> 00:45:16.639
have to basically play different hands to
earn a certain amount of chips, and

652
00:45:16.760 --> 00:45:22.320
each quote unquote enemy is just like
make this many chips in like five hands

653
00:45:22.559 --> 00:45:27.400
or four hands, however many hands
that run gives you. So I'm like,

654
00:45:27.440 --> 00:45:29.760
okay, I'll play a flush and
then I'll get like two hundred something,

655
00:45:29.880 --> 00:45:30.719
and then I'll play a two pair
and like, okay, cool,

656
00:45:30.760 --> 00:45:35.079
I've made three hundred onto the next
round. So that's how that works.

657
00:45:35.239 --> 00:45:37.719
The thing is, as you go
on, there are so you build your

658
00:45:37.760 --> 00:45:42.400
deck, and there are so many
like what's the what's the word modifiers,

659
00:45:42.519 --> 00:45:47.599
modifiers. There's so many modifiers that
change how how how powerful your different hands

660
00:45:47.599 --> 00:45:50.960
are. So what I like to
do as I always do, like flush

661
00:45:51.039 --> 00:45:55.119
based runs, so you get a
higher multiplier, you get more chips for

662
00:45:55.159 --> 00:45:59.559
playing a flush, and then sometimes
you can get lushes. Yeah, like

663
00:45:59.760 --> 00:46:02.599
yeah, you get more points.
Yeah, so you're you're playing an RPG,

664
00:46:02.719 --> 00:46:07.880
you're building a fifty two card deck. In an RPG sense, I'm

665
00:46:07.960 --> 00:46:10.920
specking into flushes. Like that's a
crazy thing to say, but I upgrade

666
00:46:10.960 --> 00:46:14.599
my flushes and then I have you
can like get rid of suits, so

667
00:46:14.679 --> 00:46:17.760
you can be like you can chance, yes, you can be like turn

668
00:46:17.880 --> 00:46:23.199
all like uh spades into diamonds into
diamonds or something. So now I'm specking

669
00:46:23.239 --> 00:46:28.039
into diamonds, and then I could
have something that's like anytime you play a

670
00:46:28.119 --> 00:46:30.840
diamond card, you get plus four
multipliers. So then if I do a

671
00:46:30.920 --> 00:46:35.159
diamond flush, that's like a plus
twenty multiplier because I play all diamonds,

672
00:46:35.199 --> 00:46:38.599
and then it calculates each diamond card
plus four multiplier plus four multiplier on top

673
00:46:38.639 --> 00:46:43.280
of the chips you get for playing
that card. So it is and that

674
00:46:43.480 --> 00:46:46.280
is just like one strat that I've
been having some pretty good success with.

675
00:46:46.719 --> 00:46:50.360
I'm going to keep trying. But
there's so many other ways, because there

676
00:46:50.400 --> 00:46:52.159
are so many different poker hands.
You can turn a three of a kind

677
00:46:52.199 --> 00:46:58.000
into like the most fucking powerful card
you can play. You can do like

678
00:46:58.239 --> 00:47:00.480
upgrade your three of a kind also
get like a plus twenty multiplier play three

679
00:47:00.480 --> 00:47:02.480
of a kind and if you,
uh, there's also one. Is like,

680
00:47:02.519 --> 00:47:06.880
if you play a hand that's three
three cards or less, you get

681
00:47:06.920 --> 00:47:08.800
another plus twenty multiplier. So it's
like, okay, now I'm gonna speck

682
00:47:08.920 --> 00:47:13.719
into three of a kind runs and
then you can open up other packs and

683
00:47:13.719 --> 00:47:15.960
say, hey, you can turn
your two, all your twos into threes,

684
00:47:16.039 --> 00:47:20.280
and then you can modify this card
turn your king into a three,

685
00:47:20.320 --> 00:47:22.679
and then you like speck into threes
and then okay, I'm just gonna have

686
00:47:22.800 --> 00:47:27.320
three of a kind of three's all
the fucking time and get these wild multipliers.

687
00:47:27.400 --> 00:47:31.519
So the way you manipulate a fifty
two card deck is some Mex level

688
00:47:31.559 --> 00:47:37.360
thinking, Like the rules of Balatro
is some big brain type shit, galaxy

689
00:47:37.440 --> 00:47:40.280
brain type shit. So the fact
that they thought of how to make a

690
00:47:40.519 --> 00:47:47.559
poker and a fifty two card deck
into this wild deck building RPG style rogue

691
00:47:47.599 --> 00:47:52.519
light is it is one of the
most creative things I've seen in a game

692
00:47:53.039 --> 00:47:57.840
in a good long while. Of
course, using a card deck and poker

693
00:47:57.920 --> 00:48:00.599
as a foundation, you know,
lets them upon that those rules were already

694
00:48:00.840 --> 00:48:05.760
been set for a very long time. So but manipulating those rules. Playing

695
00:48:05.800 --> 00:48:09.000
with those rules in the structure that
they're given is wild shit. I will

696
00:48:09.039 --> 00:48:14.639
say, though, it is fucking
frustrating because sometimes it's not only as a

697
00:48:14.679 --> 00:48:17.960
fifty two card deck RNG already,
but like the modifiers that you can unlock

698
00:48:19.000 --> 00:48:22.280
from round to round are also based
in RANG, and you open up packs

699
00:48:22.320 --> 00:48:27.519
that are also based in RANG.
So it's very hard to You have to

700
00:48:27.559 --> 00:48:29.840
be very lucky if you want to
build your deck. Of course, the

701
00:48:29.880 --> 00:48:34.760
way you in which you adapt to
the modifiers that you're given is part of

702
00:48:35.000 --> 00:48:38.119
the part of the challenge. But
I think you'll once you get deep into

703
00:48:38.159 --> 00:48:43.400
a run, which you realize is
that you really need to expect specific into

704
00:48:43.480 --> 00:48:46.440
specific things to even reach the chip
amounts that are asked of you for the

705
00:48:46.480 --> 00:48:52.679
different rounds. Like Ice had all
kinds of modifiers and shit, maybe I

706
00:48:52.719 --> 00:48:55.400
just need to play smarter. But
I played a really good set of hands

707
00:48:55.440 --> 00:48:59.320
and I still came up short.
Have you finished a run? Yeah?

708
00:48:59.360 --> 00:49:00.880
I finished, and like last night, I haven't finished. It's all the

709
00:49:00.960 --> 00:49:05.079
blue. The blue deck is the
easiest one to do. That's the one

710
00:49:05.079 --> 00:49:07.559
where you have extra discards, right, you get an extra hand or extra

711
00:49:07.639 --> 00:49:10.199
hand, So like that's soup.
That's super helpful of course, so that's

712
00:49:10.199 --> 00:49:13.960
like the easiest one to clear.
But even then with that one, I

713
00:49:14.159 --> 00:49:16.199
was it's like, hey, you
need to make thirty thousand chips on this

714
00:49:16.320 --> 00:49:19.800
final boss and I'm like, okay, well, I hope I get a

715
00:49:19.880 --> 00:49:23.000
fucking diamond and like, discard these. I have one hand. Yeah,

716
00:49:23.159 --> 00:49:25.559
and then at a modifier that's like, hey, on your last hand,

717
00:49:25.599 --> 00:49:30.280
we'll recalculate the cards twice over so
you get double the chips, and I'm

718
00:49:30.320 --> 00:49:34.159
like, I barely clear. I'm
like, fuck man. The other they

719
00:49:34.199 --> 00:49:37.519
have different rule sets and that's how
like the different routes you can take with

720
00:49:37.599 --> 00:49:42.239
this. But blotch o my god. Uh the game came out of nowhere.

721
00:49:42.480 --> 00:49:44.760
Yeah. Yeah, Like I just
feel like I woke up one day

722
00:49:44.800 --> 00:49:47.000
and it was like everyone was everyone
had it and everyone was playing. It

723
00:49:47.159 --> 00:49:50.639
was like everyone was talking about it
was like the same night Advent Children was

724
00:49:50.679 --> 00:49:54.119
in theaters. It was it was. Yeah. The only thing I knew

725
00:49:54.199 --> 00:50:00.840
is that it has a John David
Boody. Yeah. Uh. It uses

726
00:50:01.239 --> 00:50:05.480
the depiction of John Wayne Gacy,
who is a terrible, one of the

727
00:50:05.960 --> 00:50:09.280
most terrible serial killers in the world. In history is like one of the

728
00:50:09.360 --> 00:50:10.760
cards, and that's how I knew
it. I was like, what the

729
00:50:10.840 --> 00:50:14.760
fuck is this guy? Like that's
that was like my first introduction was like

730
00:50:14.800 --> 00:50:19.280
why do I see John Wayne Gacy's
clown face on a card? Like what

731
00:50:19.440 --> 00:50:21.840
the fuck is this? And that? So I haven't played it yet,

732
00:50:21.960 --> 00:50:24.199
but I do have it. My
question is is, like, is that

733
00:50:24.360 --> 00:50:28.119
the tone? Like what is the
tone of the game that like like that

734
00:50:28.199 --> 00:50:32.880
they're using, They're like using imagery
like that. There's just like not really

735
00:50:32.960 --> 00:50:36.800
a tone. I guess I don't, like, obviously it's a tone,

736
00:50:36.880 --> 00:50:39.880
but it's just like it's just kind
of like it's like a low fi It's

737
00:50:40.039 --> 00:50:45.480
hotline Miami. I guess I wasn't
sure if it was like trying like because

738
00:50:45.519 --> 00:50:47.079
basically was where I was going was
like I was trying to see if if

739
00:50:47.119 --> 00:50:50.719
there was like this like meta narrative. Yeah, you know, it's like

740
00:50:50.760 --> 00:50:52.800
we had games like Inscription, you
know that, Yeah, like games within

741
00:50:52.920 --> 00:50:57.800
games and Queen's Blood Yeah, and
it's like it's those games are you know

742
00:50:57.920 --> 00:51:01.079
when you really start to unpack what
they are are in themes for another layer?

743
00:51:01.360 --> 00:51:04.000
Yeah, And like so when I
saw that, it was like what

744
00:51:04.159 --> 00:51:07.000
the fuck is this? Like?
All right interesting? I mean I completed

745
00:51:07.000 --> 00:51:09.480
any runs. I haven't played a
whole lot, but like, I'm pretty

746
00:51:09.519 --> 00:51:15.639
sure it is just that interesting.
But it's really good. It's hard to

747
00:51:15.679 --> 00:51:20.360
put down like once, like just
keep doing runs like fail runs, start

748
00:51:20.440 --> 00:51:22.119
up a new one, failed run, start up a new one, and

749
00:51:22.280 --> 00:51:25.360
like it is frustrating, like all
have hands where it's just or I'll have

750
00:51:25.519 --> 00:51:30.280
runs where it's just like I've been
given nothing, and then I'll do another

751
00:51:30.320 --> 00:51:32.519
one and I'll get nothing, and
then I'll do another one and then I'll

752
00:51:32.599 --> 00:51:37.440
kind of start to get something and
then I'll fail and like, yeah,

753
00:51:37.559 --> 00:51:40.239
I've definitely I've felt those high highs
and low lows, but I still finished

754
00:51:40.280 --> 00:51:44.360
run. Yet. It sounds like
going to Vegas kind of. That's that's

755
00:51:44.400 --> 00:51:45.679
what it is. Man. You're
playing and you're playing decks of cards and

756
00:51:46.719 --> 00:51:50.480
relying on your luck, except if
you go to the roulette table with me.

757
00:51:51.800 --> 00:51:54.719
You know, I always walk away
from a relette table with a big

758
00:51:55.239 --> 00:52:00.519
with hundreds really people witnessed. The
first time was in Vegas, has with

759
00:52:00.559 --> 00:52:04.360
a friend and I was with a
couple of friends and we just kept We

760
00:52:04.440 --> 00:52:06.760
started with twenty dollars, and we're
just like just black. Every time black

761
00:52:06.840 --> 00:52:08.440
black, black black walked out with
six hundred dollars. Yeah, nice,

762
00:52:08.639 --> 00:52:13.880
I always put it on red all
the thing you weren't there, put it

763
00:52:13.960 --> 00:52:16.639
on red kids, then negative six
hundred dollars. Yeah. If I could

764
00:52:16.679 --> 00:52:22.760
get a Balatro, which sounds like
a like a biggest spice seasoning on my

765
00:52:22.159 --> 00:52:30.400
burrito. Hey, bla blata rigoni
uh roulette game, scary roulette game,

766
00:52:30.960 --> 00:52:32.760
I would play that. I'm gonna
play Bilatro anyways because I have it,

767
00:52:32.840 --> 00:52:36.760
but I'm just you know, I
want to make it. I want I

768
00:52:36.800 --> 00:52:39.519
don't want real life stial killer depictions. And then but I do like spooky

769
00:52:39.519 --> 00:52:46.639
scus. Yeah. So Blatro's fucking
ugh. I hate that game so much,

770
00:52:46.719 --> 00:52:51.159
but I'm gonna go home and play
it some more. Fuck unless you

771
00:52:51.199 --> 00:52:55.559
play True Fear for Sake and Souls
five Fears ten seconds Souls also been.

772
00:52:55.840 --> 00:53:00.239
I had started a replay of Final
Fantasy eight. H so, wow,

773
00:53:00.400 --> 00:53:05.199
Final Fantasy eight is fucking sick,
dude. I love that game. That

774
00:53:05.320 --> 00:53:07.920
game is a wild I didn't have
Final Fantasy seven when I was younger.

775
00:53:08.119 --> 00:53:10.800
I had it a PC, but
it always crashed in the first ball I

776
00:53:10.840 --> 00:53:14.559
hate, so it took me years. I actually played through Final Fantasy seven.

777
00:53:14.599 --> 00:53:16.639
Instead, I had Final Fantasy eight, and I loved it. Yeah,

778
00:53:16.760 --> 00:53:20.239
I loved it. So that and
nine are like my two. Yeah,

779
00:53:20.400 --> 00:53:22.519
yeah, I've I've played. I
played eight back in when it was

780
00:53:22.599 --> 00:53:27.000
on PS one with my brother.
I replayed it not too long ago,

781
00:53:27.159 --> 00:53:29.639
but didn't like do a full play
through of it. I got two certain

782
00:53:29.639 --> 00:53:31.920
points, like moved on to something
else. This time, I'm actually sitting

783
00:53:32.000 --> 00:53:37.320
down to understand the game and play
it by like its own rules, not

784
00:53:37.480 --> 00:53:40.239
using any like hacks or cheats or
anything. You click the sticks and like,

785
00:53:40.320 --> 00:53:45.199
hey you get full limit break or
whatever the fuck. Like, I'm

786
00:53:45.480 --> 00:53:50.159
trying to play the game as intended. And I finally figured out the draw

787
00:53:50.320 --> 00:53:53.039
junction system. I figured it out, dog, my brain is so big.

788
00:53:53.159 --> 00:53:57.239
Not only am I like just tearing
it up with these flushes and bilatro,

789
00:53:57.360 --> 00:54:00.320
but I am fucking drawing and junctioning. I get it now, I

790
00:54:00.480 --> 00:54:07.559
finally get it. It's uh,
it is very obtuse, but it's creative.

791
00:54:07.880 --> 00:54:13.039
Everybody's so creative, including the Square
Enix team with nineteen ninety nine when

792
00:54:13.039 --> 00:54:15.639
they made the system. No,
it's it's crazy, Like, what the

793
00:54:15.840 --> 00:54:20.400
fuck is this happening in this game
too? It's like, yeah, it

794
00:54:20.599 --> 00:54:25.199
is. It is one of the
most bizarre setups and stories that I think.

795
00:54:25.239 --> 00:54:28.760
That's just why I didn't connect with
me when I tried playing it.

796
00:54:28.960 --> 00:54:31.320
It is. I could not get
a handle on anything that was happening,

797
00:54:31.400 --> 00:54:35.599
and I was just like, what
the fuck is this eight? Yeah?

798
00:54:36.639 --> 00:54:40.079
It is either someone's absolute favorite or
someone does not give a fuck at all.

799
00:54:40.199 --> 00:54:44.960
Yeah, but they got fucking sword
guns. Yeah, the gun breakers

800
00:54:45.000 --> 00:54:50.199
started. It's sick, It's true. But I hate Squall. Yeah,

801
00:54:50.239 --> 00:54:53.679
I mean every Final Fantasy protagonist has
like some kind of baggage that you uncover

802
00:54:54.079 --> 00:54:57.440
throughout the game, right, Squall
is a wild dickhead. If you think

803
00:54:57.440 --> 00:55:00.760
Cloud is a dickhead, Squalls at
Dicket, Like, I feel like Cloud

804
00:55:00.880 --> 00:55:02.079
got like the rep is like,
oh he's like the Asshole'm like no,

805
00:55:02.159 --> 00:55:07.239
no, no, Squalls, Squalls
a huge dick he is. He's such

806
00:55:07.280 --> 00:55:12.159
an edge lord. Yeah, doesn't
end every line with like whatever, yeah

807
00:55:12.239 --> 00:55:15.519
yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah
he's a wild dickhead. But yeah,

808
00:55:15.719 --> 00:55:23.719
some baddies in Final Fantasy eight,
though, the sorceress Ultimsia like a Christus

809
00:55:24.280 --> 00:55:29.119
Listen that's my girl. You know
what I'm saying. The hockey team.

810
00:55:29.480 --> 00:55:32.960
The yeah, the Galbaitia hockey hockey
team. You know what I'm saying.

811
00:55:34.920 --> 00:55:38.199
Uh yeah. Final Fantasy eight is
wild. I'm there's so much of it

812
00:55:38.280 --> 00:55:40.880
I don't remember. Like the thing
with Final Fantasy seven is like when I

813
00:55:40.960 --> 00:55:45.920
replayed that game, I remembered everything
eventually, like everything, I like,

814
00:55:45.159 --> 00:55:49.639
I forgot what happens next, but
once it happens, I start to connecting

815
00:55:49.639 --> 00:55:51.920
and be like, oh, yes, of course this part of the game,

816
00:55:52.159 --> 00:55:53.960
right, this, this and this
happens. Cool. With eight,

817
00:55:54.039 --> 00:55:59.599
I'm like, I don't fucking remember
any of this ship and it is.

818
00:55:59.719 --> 00:56:05.360
It's it feels like replaying a replaying
a new game that I've never experienced before,

819
00:56:05.400 --> 00:56:07.039
and in some weird way, some
of it, a lot of it

820
00:56:07.320 --> 00:56:12.480
is familiar, but I can't really
get a grasp or recall, like what

821
00:56:12.639 --> 00:56:15.000
the fuck is exactly happening? It
feels like a fever dream in a way

822
00:56:15.119 --> 00:56:20.639
that like this was the next mainline. Final the Ways design is kind of

823
00:56:20.679 --> 00:56:22.840
like that, where like it feels
like they had a bunch of ideas on

824
00:56:22.920 --> 00:56:27.679
a board and they said put them
on the games, Like fuck, yeah,

825
00:56:27.719 --> 00:56:29.679
dog sounds good to be, you
know, like at the beginning of

826
00:56:29.719 --> 00:56:31.119
the game, you're like, okay, I'm like a mercenary school, and

827
00:56:31.199 --> 00:56:36.440
then like they're like, squall,
the t Rex is broken out of the

828
00:56:36.480 --> 00:56:37.360
paddoct cage. You have to go
do that. I'm like the what,

829
00:56:37.840 --> 00:56:39.800
I'm sorry. And then they're like, yeah, we have like a Jurassic

830
00:56:39.880 --> 00:56:43.360
Park over like in the back of
the school training center. You have to

831
00:56:43.400 --> 00:56:45.239
go deal with that. I'm like
okay, and then it's like and then

832
00:56:45.320 --> 00:56:49.960
yeah, and then you're like there's
a hockey team you fight, and then

833
00:56:50.000 --> 00:56:52.840
there's like, hey, for your
first for your for your for your egg,

834
00:56:52.960 --> 00:56:55.599
for your exam, to graduate,
you could go fight a war.

835
00:56:57.360 --> 00:56:59.320
Yeah, and then you have to
go fight a war by someone else's war

836
00:56:59.320 --> 00:57:00.719
and then come back to, oh, you got eight plus. That's the

837
00:57:00.800 --> 00:57:05.599
cool. That's like the plotline I
thought was, yeah, that's like the

838
00:57:05.679 --> 00:57:07.880
double you know sort of it's like, you know, the same batteryal mentality

839
00:57:07.920 --> 00:57:12.639
of just being like or at least
batterel too, where it's just like the

840
00:57:12.960 --> 00:57:15.800
survivors from the first Battle Rayale started
a war against the Japanese government. So

841
00:57:15.880 --> 00:57:21.960
then the next Battle Yale class was
sent as soldiers to go fight previous survivors

842
00:57:21.960 --> 00:57:24.119
of the batteryal class, and it's
one of those like I yeah, so

843
00:57:24.239 --> 00:57:28.000
that I do like that element of
the story, but I wish they like

844
00:57:30.960 --> 00:57:37.199
I do love the final dungeon of
that game. Eight Final Dungeon is like

845
00:57:37.280 --> 00:57:40.719
a resident eval Gothic castle. It's
so cool. I was like, I

846
00:57:40.800 --> 00:57:43.639
was like, I don't know what's
going on or why this is here,

847
00:57:44.039 --> 00:57:47.519
but this is sick. Like so
yeah, eighties yea that that thing goes

848
00:57:47.599 --> 00:57:51.840
places. Man, I'm that legitimately
hype to like keep playing that game.

849
00:57:52.559 --> 00:57:58.480
Yeah, that's a that's that's that's
that on that But I'm gonna keep playing

850
00:57:58.519 --> 00:58:01.000
that. I'm all report to everyone
I know or I I have a lot

851
00:58:01.000 --> 00:58:04.760
of friends who are Final Fantasy eight
stands, so I'm like texting them as

852
00:58:04.800 --> 00:58:08.760
I play through. It's fun cool. Well, I've been gaming like it's

853
00:58:08.760 --> 00:58:15.280
twenty twenty because I've been replaying Final
Fantasy remake because I don't remember much of

854
00:58:15.320 --> 00:58:19.679
it. Uh. And then I've
been I'm almost done with Yakuza like a

855
00:58:19.760 --> 00:58:24.679
dragon. Oh yes, And I
ordered Infinite Wealth because it was on sale

856
00:58:25.440 --> 00:58:29.920
at best Buy, so it's coming
and I'm excited to jump into that,

857
00:58:30.079 --> 00:58:34.079
but I'm almost done with uh like
a dragon. I don't want to say

858
00:58:34.119 --> 00:58:37.159
where I'm at because it's kind of
spoilery. You had to earn a lot

859
00:58:37.239 --> 00:58:43.079
of I'm past that point. I'm
well past that point. Uh yeah,

860
00:58:43.159 --> 00:58:47.519
well past that point. And I
did all the grinding to fight that those

861
00:58:47.599 --> 00:58:53.960
bosses that are pretty oh yeah,
I gotta I got a certain to find

862
00:58:54.039 --> 00:58:59.880
a certain experienced boosting item to help
me for that. Oh right, I

863
00:59:00.400 --> 00:59:06.960
used mister Massachist helped me a lot
out. Oh okay, which to protect

864
00:59:07.039 --> 00:59:08.280
you. But I still had to
grind a lot because I'm trying to,

865
00:59:08.320 --> 00:59:10.519
like I'm trying to do all the
substories, but I'm also trying not to

866
00:59:10.599 --> 00:59:14.039
like spend too much time. Like
if I'm not interested in substory, I'm

867
00:59:14.079 --> 00:59:17.159
just like skipping dialogue. And when
you get to the arena, I was

868
00:59:17.280 --> 00:59:22.079
like, I'm not doing this,
and then I was like, oh no,

869
00:59:22.199 --> 00:59:23.920
I have to do this. And
then I went back and did the

870
00:59:23.920 --> 00:59:27.719
arena twice, went through it twice. I've done it. I've done it

871
00:59:27.840 --> 00:59:30.559
more than I'm good. I beat
them. I'm I'm past that now,

872
00:59:31.159 --> 00:59:35.039
and like I think I'm at the
start of chapter thirteen or fourteen or something

873
00:59:35.079 --> 00:59:37.960
like that. I think there's thirteen
right at the end, and then with

874
00:59:37.880 --> 00:59:45.559
seven I met chapter fifteen. I
think when you scale the wall oh and

875
00:59:45.960 --> 00:59:50.519
oh okay. Also yeah, yeah, I'm enjoying replaying that game. I'm

876
00:59:50.679 --> 00:59:53.920
still like baffled at some of the
stuff that they didn't cut from that game.

877
00:59:53.960 --> 00:59:57.639
There's so much in that game that
does not need to be there for

878
00:59:57.719 --> 01:00:02.079
remake that like below, like just
it just throws the pacing off so much

879
01:00:02.119 --> 01:00:06.920
when it's like okay, going back
into the sewers and we're chasing this little

880
01:00:06.960 --> 01:00:09.480
rodent around for way longer than you
should. Damn, I forgot about that.

881
01:00:09.719 --> 01:00:14.480
Yeah, it's just stuff like that. But like like that game has

882
01:00:14.519 --> 01:00:16.559
like some incredible highs where I'm like
hyped as fuck, and then some position

883
01:00:16.719 --> 01:00:20.199
some spots where I'm just like banging
my head on the table. I'm like

884
01:00:20.280 --> 01:00:24.599
why am I doing this? And
please? That is my That is like

885
01:00:25.039 --> 01:00:29.880
Jake is like speaking to my like
the therapist in me, like the same

886
01:00:30.159 --> 01:00:32.000
you stopped though, I like this
is the second time I'm doing this to

887
01:00:32.079 --> 01:00:37.199
myself. Like there was a very
clear moment when I was like I'm done.

888
01:00:37.679 --> 01:00:38.880
Like the first time. I always
say that the first time hours the

889
01:00:38.920 --> 01:00:42.920
game is like one of the best
games I've ever played. Like the setup

890
01:00:43.000 --> 01:00:45.679
of remake and like how like and
how they show like you as this hero

891
01:00:46.360 --> 01:00:50.559
and then how they show you as
this terrorist is just one of the fucking

892
01:00:50.679 --> 01:00:53.079
best ways of like how they make
you like they force you through that world.

893
01:00:53.880 --> 01:00:57.480
And then there's just some sections where
it's like, again, it's like

894
01:00:57.559 --> 01:01:02.119
what the fuck are we doing?
Like Crane in a warehouse, that guy

895
01:01:02.199 --> 01:01:06.800
with the hat and the gray hair
who like just starts giving his backstory out

896
01:01:06.800 --> 01:01:09.639
of nowhere, and it's like I
don't care, shut up, like no,

897
01:01:09.960 --> 01:01:15.079
not no, it's the guy who's
like with what's with Corny? The

898
01:01:15.159 --> 01:01:21.840
guy with Don Corney. Yeah,
but like I remember having that same reaction

899
01:01:21.880 --> 01:01:24.880
where I was like, it's like
I flashback of this guy and his girlfriend

900
01:01:25.239 --> 01:01:28.199
or whatever, and I'm just like, what are we doing here? Like,

901
01:01:28.320 --> 01:01:30.960
come on, just getting me out
of then sewers. I will never

902
01:01:31.000 --> 01:01:36.079
see you after this cut scene again. Yeah. But yeah, I mean

903
01:01:36.239 --> 01:01:39.320
like there are moments that I'm just
like like, holy shit, is so

904
01:01:39.519 --> 01:01:45.119
good, Like yeah, I'm I'm
like I didn't get I didn't get code

905
01:01:45.199 --> 01:01:49.840
for Rebirth, so I haven't played
it. I don't really know much about

906
01:01:49.920 --> 01:01:53.840
it, so I'm excited to like
finally get into that. I'm a little

907
01:01:53.880 --> 01:01:58.719
worried with how long it is,
though it's very long, just because we

908
01:01:58.760 --> 01:02:00.559
also have a lot coming out this
Month's a lot coming out this month.

909
01:02:00.800 --> 01:02:05.519
Yeah, we got Double D,
got Double D two, Double Guess,

910
01:02:05.639 --> 01:02:08.480
Rise of Ronan, Princess Peach all
on the same day. Yep, all

911
01:02:08.519 --> 01:02:14.199
the same day, two March twenty
third or twenty second or something like that.

912
01:02:14.800 --> 01:02:19.360
Then uh, I mean there is
a Lord of the Dark remake this

913
01:02:19.440 --> 01:02:22.920
month, so we'll see that.
Star Wars Battlefront one or two. Yeah,

914
01:02:22.320 --> 01:02:25.280
Dark Forces came out, remake,
Dark Horses. Yeah, I actually

915
01:02:25.320 --> 01:02:30.320
really want to play two days ago, yesterday whatever. I love that game.

916
01:02:30.400 --> 01:02:34.880
I played ship of that game with
the courses. The Splatoon three DLC

917
01:02:35.039 --> 01:02:37.679
comes out, Oh that's not already, want to I think comes out like

918
01:02:37.719 --> 01:02:40.679
tomorrow. Okay, the the yeah, the one that looks like near Yeah,

919
01:02:42.360 --> 01:02:45.199
yeah, I played that for a
preview. It's pretty good, So

920
01:02:45.360 --> 01:02:49.440
I'm I'm excited check that out.
Yeah. All these games and I'm just

921
01:02:49.559 --> 01:02:57.320
bouncing between mud Runner to twenty twenty
years and you gotta play the twenty and

922
01:02:57.440 --> 01:03:00.960
Balatro. I'm never gonna I'm gonna
install that shit. I'm done with.

923
01:03:02.199 --> 01:03:05.760
I got a code for it.
But I like when I I loaded it

924
01:03:05.920 --> 01:03:08.239
up and was just like so tired. I like looked at it and like

925
01:03:08.719 --> 01:03:12.199
the guy was like explaining the things
for like two seconds, and I was

926
01:03:12.239 --> 01:03:16.000
like, I can't. I will
say, like the tutorials in that game

927
01:03:16.360 --> 01:03:20.000
kind of put me off as well. Maybe I just don't like tutorials anymore,

928
01:03:20.039 --> 01:03:22.960
but like I don't like, like
theatorials need to get better or do

929
01:03:23.119 --> 01:03:25.480
it do it like I used to
do back and the day where they didn't

930
01:03:25.519 --> 01:03:30.800
have toorials and you just had I'd
rather do that, like figured it out.

931
01:03:30.239 --> 01:03:34.800
But I think I think Blatro is
definitely a game you learn by poking

932
01:03:34.880 --> 01:03:37.800
at it. But but I think
that was like the thing that I need

933
01:03:37.840 --> 01:03:42.360
because because when I first started it
up, it was like everything I did

934
01:03:42.400 --> 01:03:44.559
it was like a pop up like
here's what this does, here's what death

935
01:03:44.639 --> 01:03:47.000
does, here's what this does.
And I think some of the explanations for

936
01:03:47.079 --> 01:03:49.960
some of the cards are bad too, And so yeah, some of the

937
01:03:50.000 --> 01:03:52.159
explanations for the cards too like just
don't make sense. I'm like, like,

938
01:03:52.519 --> 01:03:55.000
Cali's playing tune. I'm like,
what does this mean? She'll have

939
01:03:55.119 --> 01:04:01.000
to help me and she knows because
she's done it. Yeah, but it

940
01:04:01.119 --> 01:04:03.920
is good. It is good.
This Yeah a lot of good games that

941
01:04:03.960 --> 01:04:10.000
have come out already and it's absolutely
not even March yet. Yeah, you're

942
01:04:10.000 --> 01:04:13.760
back in twenty twenty and back in
twenty eleven and being a fifty five year

943
01:04:13.760 --> 01:04:16.559
old woman. Dude, I wish
you were a fifty five year old woman.

944
01:04:17.199 --> 01:04:21.960
I am, dude. I'm gonna
holler at you send me a shirtless

945
01:04:23.079 --> 01:04:25.800
picture. Yeah, if you are
a fifty five year old woman, all

946
01:04:25.840 --> 01:04:30.480
at me? All right, well
you can holler at Michael over On Michael

947
01:04:30.039 --> 01:04:35.159
Twitter, baby cash app. Yeah, and yes you could be my sugar

948
01:04:35.239 --> 01:04:43.559
mama Kurt. Where can the people
find you? Oh? And the remnants

949
01:04:43.599 --> 01:04:47.639
of the dimensions in the if you
if you like close your eyes and like

950
01:04:47.719 --> 01:04:51.159
think hard enough and like maybe like
I don't know, count back from ten

951
01:04:51.199 --> 01:04:55.239
and like feel the weight of your
feet on the ground. I might cut

952
01:04:55.360 --> 01:05:02.039
up here in the in the in
the ripples of your eyelids code for I

953
01:05:02.119 --> 01:05:06.320
can tell you to play hit an
object game. What remedy did a hit

954
01:05:06.360 --> 01:05:11.400
an object game. You're talking about
it, I mean, like, let

955
01:05:11.480 --> 01:05:14.480
me, let me just do that
for you, like, let them let

956
01:05:14.559 --> 01:05:20.039
them thinker have multiple remedy projects.
Yeah, we got we got a few

957
01:05:20.119 --> 01:05:24.199
things cooking. I'm working on the
business plan for a few of them.

958
01:05:26.440 --> 01:05:30.119
Yeah, we're gonna we're gonna bombardment
GDC like oh yeah, yeah, I'm

959
01:05:30.159 --> 01:05:38.880
gonna just ambush them and they're gonna
be like program the shadows and it's gonna

960
01:05:38.920 --> 01:05:47.480
say the big letters like like object
game like all that, and then yeah,

961
01:05:47.599 --> 01:05:51.679
we'll get escorted out. It'll be
great. You can find me if

962
01:05:51.719 --> 01:05:57.079
you want. What about you?
You can find me in the in the

963
01:05:57.440 --> 01:06:02.320
Hope of Not Safe for Work sections
checking out the milkers. Yeah, the

964
01:06:02.400 --> 01:06:09.039
milkers or whatever, creepy milk or
whatever, spooky milk, spooky milk cool,

965
01:06:09.119 --> 01:06:12.320
and you can find me. Uh. You can go go to our

966
01:06:12.480 --> 01:06:15.559
our YouTube channel, game spot YouTube
dot com, slash game spot and watch

967
01:06:15.639 --> 01:06:19.800
all the fucking Final Fantasy stuff we've
been putting out so much. Next week

968
01:06:19.840 --> 01:06:24.320
though, we got some cooking for
Final Fantasy seven. This could be sick.

969
01:06:24.480 --> 01:06:30.519
Yeah, forward to that. So
thanks for watching everyone, and we'll

970
01:06:30.519 --> 01:06:30.840
see you next time, deuces