Hello, ladies and gentlemen, Welcome to the first episode of the Alien Retrospective.
I'm the clown Prints of Eggs trust Now, and I'm joined by I
am the Face Hugger Kirkland Patzer, I'm Dolmas. I'm gonna be big Chap
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is not applicable to you. But if you're not, the season of X
is over and the season of Aliens here because this is gonna be one of
our longer retros and it's gonna go out quite a bit of ways. It
is. We're gonna do all the movies, so we're gonna do Alien like
we're doing all the originals, so Alien one to Alien four, we're gonna
cover the prequels, Prometheus and Alien cover it again because it's been five years.
I'm not sure if Dylan's gonna be on that one. He just did
we have a five year roll, and yeah, we haven't. We haven't
done a well And I don't think Kirkland was on that review. Ever seen
that movie? Yeah, I think it was just it was me, Taylor,
Dylan Briggs. I think that was the only that was the force of
that time. And then we're also so we're doing the two prequels, then
we're gonna go back and do a two fur and we're doing an Alien Slash
Predator retrospective because we will be doing the AVP movies. I think Taylor has
been pitching this since like years, since we started the retros, and I
was like, oh, geta wait, and it's finally here. We did
the Predator retro last year, so go back and maybe I'll release a couple
of those back in the feed so you get it's a nice energy. And
then on side quest, Dylan's gonna be doing a retrospective with Taylor and maybe
Kirkland. I'd like to jump on the Zone Games past. I think it
was at one point if it's if it successible either way, there will be
one at some point of Alien Isolation a very herald game. Yeah, people
love that. And then also we're going to be doing a Calm ex version
where we're going to do Predator Versus Wolverine and then Avengers Versus Aliens that the
Predator Wolverine one has already been out, and then the Alien Versus Avengers that's
coming out this summer. They're both only four issues, so it's just eight
issues, so we're gonna read those as well. So you got a lot
of different things going on here at the Alien retros. So we're covering it
and we're killing all those AVP movies. We've done everything an Alien Predator,
We've touched the whole gamut here in the space realm as far as sci fi
big movies. But I'm gonna let the man with the legend first, mister
Field go on here usually go last. But I know Alien is as bag
so Alien. So Taylor, what was the first time you saw this movie?
And then now what are your thoughts so many years there as we lead
up to Alien Romulus. The first time I saw this movie was yeah,
the teen teen years, young teen years. I not the old teen years,
not the old teen years, the young teen years. My first experience
with the Xenomorphs was through that first Alien versus Predator, and I was aware
of them, and I was definitely a big fan of the Predator, and
I told my dad, okay, like, that's where it started, and
I much. I again, I was a little kid, So I remember
getting the VHS rental for AVP and we popped it on and I thought,
okay, like I was already familiar with predators, but this was me kind
of warming up to the aliens. I was send me aware of them,
and they just really freaked me out and grossed me out with just the face
hugger and the concept of impregnation down the throat into like the chest bursters and
what anyway, So that was my introduction and I thought and built up enough
courage, like Okay, Dad, I want to go into this franchise and
start to learn more about this history. So I would have been like twelve
or thirteen when we got that first Alien and we rented it, and it
just cemented itself as a just a classic love of a like a feature film
that I just I I think it's aged really really well, and it's something
that every time it comes on I could easily just sit there and get engaged
into it. I know maybe some people feel like it has a bit of
a slow burn to it, kind of building up, but I feel like
from start to finish, I'm engaged in this movie. I love the dialogue
that's going on. There's so many things that's kind of like the scene wion't
necessarily be focused on a character in the background. It's focused on your character
up front, but the characters in the background are talking as if like it's
they're they're in part, They're part of the scene. It's very important dialogue.
They're engaging with their main characters. But there's a lot of cool things
that's going on. I really really appreciate how what they did, and this
being a seventies film, there's so many really amazing visuals too, Like it's
some of the designs for the ships just from it gives me Star Wars vibes
too. But it's not like this is Star Wars. This is very much
its own thing. It has its own unique identity, and it has so
much mysterious kind of notions going on with that. I just I love this
film, and it's it's just it's cemented into that that the Xenomorph fandom that
I have, and yeah, I love the history and the Zeno Wars,
like this kind of culture and this storyline with these aliens. Like you can
go to any bookstore right now and you will find like tons of present day
anthologies, you know, moreph novels that are just still being written because there's
so many different storylines you can just tap into and read, and there's so
many that I want to get into. I've only done a few comics.
And then the games are always something that have been day one for me.
I'm always get getting those games unless eb Games is fucking me over ordering online.
Never forget that. But I played that what's that one? Fire fire
squad Storm, isn't it Fire Team? There's Fire Team Elite, and then
there's Dark Descent. I've played Fire Team Elite. Is what games fucked me
over? I could have got a Day one in the store, but I
ordered it online and so I had to wait two weeks for it to ship
to me. It's fucking bullshit. Oh I remember that, Yeah, the
whole big events. Yeah, so my excitement for Alien Romulus is just it's
through the roof, through the roof into space, all the way to LV
four twenty six. I'm so right there right now. And I the fact
too that this movie I think is going to be really very much So I
think watching this and watching Aliens is great for everyone going into watching Alien Romulus,
because I think Alien Romulus is gonna just be piggybacking off of so many
of those things in those two films that people are gonna go in and they're
gonna feel like, oh, this is very familiar. So if you haven't
seen Alien or Aliens, you're still gonna go see Romulus. You're gonna just
feel this recognition to this franchise, and something's gonna feel very familiar, and
it's gonna feel like, oh, I'm right back in this universe. And
if you have watched them, then you're gonna go into Romulus thinking, Okay,
I can make all these connections. There's so many callbacks and little nods
and easter eggs towards those original films, and even some of the scenes from
the trailers of Romulus. It's it's funny how you can stack it up with
moments in the original two movies, because it feels like it's different, different
stario. It is risky it's very risky, but I think that it's been
far enough away that people are gonna welcome it and kind of embrace it a
little bit. I think that if they were to be if they were to
do Alien Romulus two and still be doing that kind of shit, I don't
think it would work very well. But I think after the Prometheus and the
Covenant trips, I think that something like this, going back to form,
back to basics, is going to do really really well. And I think
people are really craving that very simplistic kind of set piece that this alien film
has too, because this movie has such a great it's such a great set.
I would love to have just been there and walk around that set and
just see how they've built everything from the interior of the ships. It's such
a simple, claustrophobic setting, and I think that's another thing that really makes
this movie do really, really well. And even though I've seen it a
dozens of times, I love the times where you feel like you can't really
get a gauge on what's going on. Are they staying on the planet.
Does this movie take place where they're stranded here? Nope, Okay, it
takes place stranded on their ship and so many different set pieces that are just
really wonderful. I could keep going on and on, but I'll let someone
else take over now, So yeah, I'll take it. I'll take the
ring from Frodo there. It's funny. My origin story is pretty similar to
Taylor's here where I feel like my first experience with the Xenomorphs was through Alien
Versus Predator that very first place, and I hadn't seen this original one probably
the first decade of my life, like after closer to the second decade in
my life, like like I feel like high school era would have been the
first time I actually saw this first film. It was my first alien film
because clearly i'd seen Alien Versus Predator, I'd seen Prometheus in theaters, not
knowing that it was like an alien movie at all. So that was kind
of a mind blow moment near the end. And like there obviously is the
I mean, we'll get to that movie, but there's things in that which
are directly tied obviously to this one. But because I didn't know like what
the architects were or like any of that stuff, it just felt like a
brand new sci fi film. So that's it was kind of a fun experience.
But for Alien, I feel like I knew mostly what it was through
just like pop culture references The Great Conquers Bad for a Day, anybody played
that game way back in the day, They have like an Alien reference at
the end where you like fight as you know more of essentially, so I
knew of like most of the twists and turns other than a major one that
happened in this. So my first time actually viewing this film, it really
blew my mind, honestly, Like I think I was expecting, like sometimes
you hear of like a really good classic film and it's it's really good,
it's really well made, but it's just a lot of datedness to it.
There's a lot of maybe they're trying to do too much with the technology that
they have, but and it like really shows through and it's just like,
ah, this isn't quite for me. But this movie, from the first
time I had seen it, it really just blew my mind in how well
it was made and how they really did the best with what they had,
and like I think it totally shows and yeah, like you mentioned, this
movie is slow for good portions, Like you know, spoilers if anyone doesn't
seen this movie. You don't see the alien until like seventy minutes into this
movie, which is just absolutely crazy. So get to the egg still thirty
three minutes because I paused to see because I was just waiting to scene.
You don't even get to the eggs till thirty. Yeah, but like it
doesn't make it not scary in the beginning. Like there's just so much suspense
and building towards of like what the big thread is, and when you actually
see it, it just it blows your mind. So yeah, this is
by far one of my favorite movies of all time. I really really really
love this movie. I feel like the more I seen it, I've probably
seen it like five times in my life now, and like just yesterday i
rewatched it. I'm like, fuck, this is just quality. Like I
just can't find faults with this movie. Maybe there's like a weird jump like
an animatronic type character to like an actor at a certain moment, but like,
yeah, like it's pretty easy to look past that, just because I
feel like they do such a great job at building the suspense really giving like
most of the characters at least like some good personality. I think the vast
majority of them. They are their own characters and they are unique and they
have their own kind of personalities. And yeah, I like, can I
mentioned it just like the you were mentioned like some of the spaceship type things
is remind you of like Star Wars. I think just like that, it's
like a retro like almost like a steam punky type like feel to the ships.
I don't know a better way to describe it, but just like all
like the switches and lights and and just things on screen, Like I just
really love that style. I feel like it probably originates from those original Star
Wars and to see it here again like it just I don't know, I
really like that style of sci fi. Yeah, no, I I fucking
love this movie. Really. Scott is just a mastermind, and this is
one I don't do this for a lot of movies, but like I watched
like all like the bonus like features and like just like the the like really
Scott talking about like certain decisions on like what they were gonna do, and
yeah, it's just it's so fascinating to me to like get those insights on
a movie from nineteen seventy nine that I think just one hundred percent holds up
one of my favorite horror movies, one of my favorite movies ever. So
yeah, I fucking love this one. Excited unpack with you guys, mister
muss. I remember when the first times went to your place. I think
there was a VHS of Alien was always on top of somewhere on like we
had the bookshelf. Yeah, on the bookshelf, yeah, sometimes on the
cement as well, So I remember always seeing that a lot in the basement.
Yeah. I have a pretty weird history with these movies. The origin
point I can't quite remember, but it's one of these two things. So
first is my dad growing up was always watching like Terminator, Predator, Alien.
I feel like I never was really watching them, but they were always
on in the background. So there's just kind of this ambient nostalgia of those
movies being on and existing. But then I think maybe the first time I
actually connected with Alien was weirdly enough, my first video game console was the
NES, the Nintendo Entertainment System, and it was a used NES. It
came with a bunch of random games like of course Mario and like this Sesame
street game, but also like an Alien game. I think it was Alien
three specifically, and it was like a metroid vania, like a two D
action combat sort of game. And I just remember playing that game as a
kid, and it was way too confusing considering that was, like, you
know, one of the very first video games I ever played, it made
no sense to me after I've played Mario, so I didn't get very far.
And eventually I did boot that game up again, like many many years
later, having on my bookshelf behind me still here, and it's a very
funny, weird game to go back to. So one of those two things
would be the origin. And then I feel like I never really connected with
Alien for a while until once again another video game. I remember there was
a demo for like Alien versus Predator, like a game on the Xbox three
sixty, the twenty ten one, I think it was the twenty ten to
one, and I never bought the game or rented it, but I just
had this free, you know, Xbox three sixty demo and you could play
online and I would play as the Alien. It was like the Alien versus
pres There was also like a Marine, which was just like a classic first
person shooter. Played the hell out of that demo great time, but then
it was probably about ten years ago, I would guess, like right,
kind of before the podcast era, when Yeah, I whipped out those VHS
tapes that Travis was talking about and did a marathon watching all of the original
movies, and so that was the first time that I had done that.
So it was fun to, you know, ten years ago watch them on
VHS. Kind of dated format at that point in time, but yeah,
I really enjoyed them. There was something different. Even at that point my
life, I didn't really watch any horror stuff as well, so it was
kind of out of my wheelhouse. And then I it must have been when
one of these newer alien movies that we've discussed in the g geek for era,
when I went and rewatched probably the first one. I don't know if
I rewatched any of the other ones. So honestly, we're watching this it
was very foggy. And rewatching the other ones, I'm sure is gonna be
incredibly foggy. I'm excited to do that. And then yeah, I mean
you can go back and hear my thoughts in those movies that were reviewed.
I don't even know what my thoughts on Prometheus are. That's why it's good
that we are doing a retro on that because I can't even remember. And
then Covenant I was not a not a big fan of. So yeah,
a very weird, kind of fractured history with this series. But I am
excited to go back through it because yeah, as I said, it's kind
of got this like the ambient nostalgia for me, but is one that I
haven't spent a ton of time with since and then rewatching it now. It's
a very interesting movie just because of like how historically important it is, how
cool it is from like just the cinema history angle of it to see what
they were able to accomplish here. And I think the visuals is one of
my favorite parts about this, like the sets that Taylor mentioned or yeah,
the spaceships that that that Kirklam was mentioned there, but whatever, it is,
Like I thought, like all that stuff was really engaging to me.
It was really cool, and just reading in on like how they were able
to achieve some of that back then was really really cool. And I like
a lot of the characters and the story and stuff. I think it's ended
up being a bit more lukewarm on it overall then I maybe expected. I
think there's just a lot of parts that this, As you guys mentioned,
like it takes a lot of time to build up certain things, and for
me, a lot of those like weren't really intense or tense building suspense building
moments, So you just got like these random scenes that aren't doing a whole
lot for me. And then I think where it kind of falls apart a
bit for me is like the final action sequence does not hold up whatsoever.
It's terrible. It sucks. And there's a couple other moments too where like
the special effects just don't work, the practical effects, they don't look good
anymore, and they don't work for me. And I guess I'm not quite
nostalgic enough for like the exact scenes for them to still like be happy memories
in my mind. And like, you know, MUDs was watching the end
of it with me. You're just laughing at some of the stuff with the
alien because it just looks so dumb. So you know, it takes me
out of it a bit when when that stuff's happening. But I still had
a really good time going back through this, and I'm excited to, uh,
yeah, blast the wrest them. It's gonna be a good time.
Yeah, I was just laughing thinking about David Covenant air going and everything like
that. I'm excited to get back there. But uh yeah, So I
don't know when i'd seen this. This was just a randomly like but for
my first time, I don't know. It just felt like a movie that
I consumed at some point when I was definitely younger, definitely just watching a
bunch of movies, so I remember enjoying it. But I just was like,
yeah, I like those, and this is definitely the one I've seen
the most. I've seen the sequels here and there. I'm definitely we'll get
to an alien versus an Aliens. Guys like no, big surprise. The
guy that says like I'm not big into action movies, like that's Aliens,
right, That's the big action movie. So for me, I loved the
and man one of the best taglines ever, like no one hears you screaming
space like man that is like like everyone go home, Like you never taught
that one. But when I really I think started to fall in love with
and when I remember it more is in god grade ten, when I was
in film class, we watched this is the first ever assignment we had,
and we all learned about like blocking and compositing and everything you could because for
like a filmmaker watching this for many reasons, right, like the small locations,
the not lower budget per se, but more the practical effects, how
to pace the story, how to do reveals. This was in there and
you're making notes and I remember my teacher, Oh god, I can't remember
his last name, Brent something, but he actually went to high school with
my dad, so it was funny when we met up. They're like,
oh, yeah, I know, and they actually just talked last year because
he's still in a band, so yeah, they bumped in each other.
So uh yeah. This was one where it was on these he'd probably okay,
tell me about this or what we look out here, So that's why
it's kind of burning my brain of like okay. And that was around the
time again I was starting to look at film differently, not exactly because two
thousand and six is when I started to watch morecro like adult things where affect.
When I watched this is before two thousand and six, but it was
like just another horror movie. But uh yeah, no, I'm more with
Kirkland Taylor where I for me, it stands up. I love the horror
aspects. I love just I love the slow built. I'm never bored,
And I think the reason why I'm not bored is I think it's almost like
what we talked about the Nian Jones, where the ship, the location,
the out like whether it's in Tier X tiar, because everything's built and real,
you're just looking at it and examining it. Where when it's cgi and
stuff like that, I just feel like it all becomes like a like a
this sounds bad a painting, and not bad in the way where old paintings
are, you know, boring, just the way that it all just looks
like it's not three dimensional. It's all just flat there and it's just all
that. That's what the wall looks like. That's what these controls look like.
But this all little choices. I love they do. This is Ridley
Scott special they do this year. They do this some Blade Runner. That's
why I love The Batman, where it's like future tech, but it looks
old. It looks worn down. Even Star Wars had that right. That's
one of my issues with the prequels is it's older than the New Hope and
everything looks better. It doesn't make much sense to me, right, So
I love the lived in world and I think I love one. The Alien
is just to me fucking super scary, like the design of it, the
look of it, everything about it. Alien and Predator. I could go
back and forth, because there's aspects of Predator I really enjoy, but I
think I lean towards the actual movie Alien just the idea, especially just Alien
one, because that thing, the way they shoot it, the way it
creeps around, the use of it. My favorite usage is when the guy's
like in like the smote whatever what is that called the vents or whatnot,
and just that bill of out's going and then just that one shot. I
love how sparingly they use it until the end. And for the most part
it looks pretty good for when the data came out for being a practical and
a guy in a suit sometimes like it looks very good for what they could
do back then. Even then it stands up, it looks scarier than a
lot of other things nowadays. That again just get the digital effect. And
what I love is there's every act has like a miss. The first act
is kind of why they why they're what are they doing? The second act,
of course, is the Alien. There is how we escape, but
then there's also the on Top of the Corporation. There's on top of Ash
and that whole thing, you know, shouts of Bill Boonie and home.
He's great in this movie. There's always something so in the in the middle
of they're dealing with this death machine in Alien, there's still this mystery of,
Eh, this guy's not right and what's the up to? So that's
why I love There's just so many layers to it. So yeah, it's
Uh, I don't know if I go back. It's not like a once
year watch, but I definitely go back to and it's like now that we
don't have cable. But I think it's more like what Taya talked about that
if I'm kind of in the mood, I especially with it be on Disney.
Plus, if I just see that low ah, it'd be it'd be
worth my time to watch. I don't deal with the whole series because there
is some stinkers in there, uh, And sin Gourney's a great lead.
Everyone's like great in here, but sin Gourney like she is, she really
like her and Jamie Lee you could trace back to being the tubul that really
started. There's other people, but to me those are the ones for horror
and then for sci fi and action that started, like the female hero and
just you know, they do a good line of you know, they make
her sexy but also kind of dangerous and sparred. And first thing in the
movie, she's the only person says, hey, maybe should have let this
person on the ship and no one listens, and they would have just listened
in the first half an hour, you know, there'd be no movie,
so of course it'd be done. But she tries to say, hey,
don't do this, it's probably gonna be a bad thing, and no,
no, so uh no, love the movie. It's great. I'm excited
to talk more about it. It's not tublet this franchise, but yeah,
they only is just just a nightmare of feel, especially in this movie,
the way they the way they shoot that thing, the goo, everything is
that's scary. I would not want it, Like, that's the thing.
I know. I died by both, but if I had to choose,
I choose to fight the predator. There's just something about it because the just
pretty swifter kill. I think, right, I wouldn't want to get intercepted
with a baby thing in my chest too, like reason, right, what
do you go for? What do you hit? You know? Reason with
the predator? Come on, you can't, you can't, you can't.
We'll talk about that and you're like here take this like oh a fact,
and he beams away. You know, we'll get there. I guess,
yeah, where we want to start. I wanted to start actually with what
you're talking about there with SIGs. I agree. I think she's absolutely fantastic,
but something that I think is really interesting. It caught me, I
think my second last view of this. I've seen this movie twice, I
think within the year, so it's it's pretty recent that second viewing there,
but it it it. I feel like, for the for a good chunk
of the film, at least the first act, she's not really like like
there's no real like one lead of the film until things really start getting interesting,
I feel. And and that's something that I just appreciate so much more
like I'll have to pull up the IMDb list of their names, but Dallas
like the captain, Like I I feel like he's like a really great captain
too, for the most part, like he seems charismatic and he just seems
like someone that you would probably want to be following, you know, until
they encounter some weirdness and he's I'm the captain, open the door right now,
Like that's when he starts to you know, maybe be a bit of
a failure of a captain. But I just feel like, I don't know,
as mentioned this on my overall thoughts, but just they do a pretty
good job at giving pretty much all the characters like sometime to just talk and
like just I don't know, be themselves, And I feel like just them
chatting amongst each other is just a really interesting thing to take in for a
movie. And like, really, I'm thinking of my first time viewing it
here where I just assume Sigourney Weaver was just the very standout lead, which
she is later on, but just the setup of it, like it's not
like she's the one that wakes up and she's the one doing the journals and
she's the one that's like doing all these decisions and telling like she's not really
the captain right at the beginning. So I just find it interesting how she
becomes the lead because everyone just starts fucking dying around her. She's the last
one standing. Obviously in Aliens too, she's she's just the straight up lead.
But because this would have been her first film, right too, Yeah,
am I mistaken in that aspect? I feel like this is her first
fold it's a big factor film, so it's interesting to have her in that
role. But no more so just the yeah, the collaborative leads, I
guess in the beginning of it. Yeah, I think it's a it's a
cool evolution for her as a character, as you're saying, like kind of
being a background or like an ensemble cast type character for the first section.
Not her first movie. I'm also seeing that looks like she had a She
started working nineteen ninety six. She was in TV show, then she was
in Nanny Hall. She had a lot of small roles. This is definitely
her big movie. Maybe she's in the mad Men of course in nineteen seventy
eight Couch on Him. Yeah, no, that's mad Men. This is
mad Man. This mad Men's a sequel to mad Man. Interesting. I
always thought the so what's her first film? Because I knew she did like
stage acting, like I'm sure she probably it probably listed like her first starring
film because it kind of is, right and then a couple not even a
couple. She's it feels like it's closer, but Ghostbusters is nineteen eighty Four's
it's five years later, so it just feels like, in my mind they're
really close, but they're they're not that. And even Aliens is nineteen eighty
six. That's quite a delay there. I don't realize it was so much
later. That's not it used to be in Hollywood. Yeah, No,
I think it's it's great though, to see yeah, from kind of just
being out one of the quote unquote background characters, and then I love the
moment when whatever it is, like two or three people are off the ship
and she's like, well, I'm the effective commander now at this point.
Yeah, and just kind of like stepping up into that role is really great.
And then like skipping to the end there too, when yeah, she
kind of is just the sole actor in this movie at this point. She
does all that stuff really great, and I think it's a really fun evolution.
It's like, I don't know, I feel like if I didn't know
that she was the star of this movie, I wouldn't expect that if I
was just watching it for the first half or you wouldn't like see it coming.
So I think it's kind of cool the way that evolves, and then
she really, yeah, it does get a lot more like a good personality
character kind of filled in as it goes along, and she's kind of forced
to know, we should we did this for you dead, and we should
do some in this cast. And polt with the trailer was the original one
because I feel like with Zigs being the lead with Ash with even to John
Hurt's extent, the chest person, I'm not sure they show that. I
feel like there's a lot of things if you don't know they're gonna happen,
they don't tip their hat right away. Because even I like how when John
Hurt is like healthy, he is just cool for like five minutes and then
like he just starts violently throwing up. It's not like I feel like they
sometimes do that in the New Rail movies, like are you good, and
it's like yeah, I'm fine, Like okay, this guy's fucked up,
you know, like something's wrong with them. But John Hurt he's like like,
oh no, it's all good, seems like it's fine, and he's
eating and they jumping all the food and taste that bad and then his cough
turns into like an all thing, and same thing with Ash, like that
reveal doesn't come till the near the end of the third act. And I
like it in a way where he's a questionable character, but it's not to
me in that way where it's so evil. It's just that, hey,
he's the new Like he's not the crew, right they talk about there's this
line where they had someone there with for the last six months and there's this
guy that's new, and it's like, well, that could be the reason,
right, they just don't like him. So I feel like multiple things
between the lead, lots of reveals, obviously, even the alien, which
I'm sure they must have shown even a glimpse of in the trailer back in
the day, because how could you not. But I feel like they do
a good job multiple times kind of bearing the lead on some stuff. So
mm hmm, yeah, I mean, particularly with Ash. You know,
going to this with my foggy memory, I didn't even remember any of this
android stuff going on here or something. That just goes to show how like
I don't know, you know, even though I've seen this movie multiple times,
I still like, forgot that that was a detail, and it was
still like, yeah, something's off about this guy. He's acting very interestingly,
but yeah, until the reveal happened, I was like, oh yeah,
I kind of forgot that was a thing that happens. Yeah, And
like even if you are rewatching it and you know that he is an android,
you know he is the most sus member. They do a good job
at hiding it because like he kind of just comes off of like the super
science type guy that just wants to fully understand and study it more so than
than look after like the safety of the way that he's a very understated character
like fits that kind of yeah, absolutely, yeah, that type of character,
and they make him have like weird human ticks, like there's one no
camera, it's not it's not like I can never decide it's a combo,
like he's cold or nervous, but he walks out alone like he does something
it's something like you wouldn't expect a robot to do, right, And they
also get in that when we get to permetheus with David, where he's trying
to learn to be humans, that's the point that they want them to mimic
that, but it's not like David where the second you see him walk,
okay, his arms aren't moving, like there's something like this guy is a
fully trained human. You know, you don't pick that, And even him
being sus to me, it's not like I'll like, I'll see we jumped
to that now. But I mean like when you're watching the movie and think,
oh, this man must be like a robot or something, right,
it's just like he could because his plot could still be the exact same if
you as a human that he wants to ensure that the alien is to get
there right. And that's always something too that I feel, even this watch
where I go, oh, that's dumb, like why they still hear?
What are they doing here? But then I always forget right, that's like
they're kind of set up right because I always go why the fuck would they
land here? The second you see eggs, so you're like, oh,
this is bad, right, But it's like that's the mission, and Ash
is pushing the mission and pushing these things. That's what it's like, Even
little things where I go, ah, why is this happening? Okay,
they explain it down the line. You know, it's all all makes it
worth the trip and even too, with obviously things being down the line kind
of revealing the fact that they were set up. It's a lot of you
forfeit all of your income too, right if you don't go and respond to
this signal, And that's like, oh, that's kind of a big fuck
me moment, right, So not good, No, that's wild. And
like even when he's clashing with Ripley, I feel like, although he gets
smacked up and like is bleeding white, like okay, that's definitely not human.
It's kind of just so chaotic in that moment that you don't really have
time to really figure out what going on. Like if you if you don't
know the twist, it's just like, Okay, he's got some goo on
him. I don't know what's going on because because it's just action sort of
and like it's ramping up to the point that when he's grabbing onto Parker and
he's just got that robotic strength, like, Okay, this is weird,
but you still really don't know what's going on, and then he starts just
tweaking out like crazy, and then it gets to the point he just gets
decapitated. And man, I watched this a couple of years ago with a
buddy that had never seen it before, so out to Carson and I purposely
like didn't react to any of those moments, and then when it came to
just like the head decapitation, he was just like, holy fuck, like
like it just totally blew his mind. So I was envious of him,
like having that first time watch on a moment like that, because you can
never really get that. I mean, Dylan, you said you kind of
forgot about it on this one, but no, I mean they like in
this watch, the way that it comes across is that he has been infected
and that's why he has all this weird goo coming out of him. That's
why he's so strong. He's like, oh, that makes sense that aliens
inside of him is like super strength. So I think it like plays off
as like a I don't know, they especially set it up in that way
too, so it kind of surprises you twice almost, And there's no other
androids or like things in this movie to make you think that. And as
you mentioned, like the tech in this world is so bulky that you wouldn't
think that, Oh yeah, they have the tech to have like androids down
and that would fit within the Realm of possibility. Mm hmm. Yeah.
Should Am Holme, who like Swimmers, was in this. Yeah, it's
a fun role for him. It's a very roll And oh, I thought
you were like there's like I was gonna say something, but Kirklea looks like
he's gonna say something. I was just gonna say. He had one moment
where he was closing the doors on Ripley at this point, Okay, you
know he's he's up to something shady. But as Ripley is trying to like
move from door to door, he does this robotic thing with his facial expressions.
It's crazy where he's he's not moving like any muscles on his face,
but his eyes robotically like move to the side a little bit. It's just
it's such a crazy and the shot is like really close up to his face.
He just does a great job at feeling like a robot at these times.
In retrospect, of course, you don't know he's a robot before,
so well a little bit. I think it's the other way. In retrospect,
you know him like I get what you're saying, Like you said,
he was no no, uh yeah, And I really love his uh kind
of like the finale scene. I love the best way they do where you
know, they got the the prop head and I think they're very smart to
cover up with a bunch of gook and everything like that. And plus I
kind of like buy into that because it's like the second he gets powered,
the head looks more lively. But I love how they do that and clearly
you can see, okay, they like cut the table and they have him
pop up there. But I love that he gives the exposition. It's not
a long scene. And I also love that you know they're all the term
off, oh can I say one word? And you think he's gonna kind
of be like a little not not encouraging, but just maybe something like some
sort of helpfulness. And I just love the last lines again I'm not gonna
tell you the odds and just kind of wish you my condolences. It's like,
what like that's where it shows like even this like this robot, like
that's where it's good where okay, it appears to be human, but it
still has almost like human qualities, because why would even a robot feel the
need to kind of give you a one last fu of like you know,
I'm not gonna give your chances, but you're dead, you know, like
whatever whatever the calculations are, it doesn't really matter because you've no shot of
survival here, Like that's not needed, like him saying one last thing,
like you don't need to tell me this, but he just feels the knee.
And obviously him Singory had this back and forth, but as a robot,
I feel like you would know, oh the reason we have this back
and forth because I'm going against her mission, but it's almost like he took
it personally. So again, we get more in that when we get to
Prometheus and David, but they're good out like kind of kind of mirrors of
each other throughout the years of these robots, like they are androids, but
much like a in a Blade Renner situation, they do kind of get some
sort of human emotions or acquire something there that's not normal for most android depictions
we see in movies and shows. So and that sequence too, when Dallas
is gone, Ripley has like basically the authority now to go speak to mother
and she's just like, Okay, I'm finally gonna get my answers here,
and she doesn't, well, she gets answers it's definitely not what she wants
to hear. And just like Sigourney, Sigourney's acting in that sequence when she's
just basically at her wits end and just breaking down, like emotionally, she's
like basically tearing up right at Ash and angry at him, but just balancing
all these these mixed emotions of really just realizing you're fucked and the reason you're
fucked is because people are just greedy and they wanted to send you on this
expendable mission to get this science experiment. It, Oh, it's so fantastic.
And then you have Ash just being so blank like like just not reacting
at all, just just pure evil essentially in his reaction to her. But
yeah, I just wanted to mention that since you were talking about that scene,
I love the look of the supercomputer sort of room, Travis. You're
muted there, which is why big but muted weaver over here. But yeah,
the look of that supercomputer room is really fun. I love. I
love too that like they clearly don't have the tech lined up enough that like
the computers that they're using for the acting have like actual screens on them so
that they can have the computer so it's always like the separate shot of like
Zoom Games, and it looks like very goofy in a way that is very
charming, concidering how old this movie is. I like, I like the
way they did that. No, that's gonna say some about them being pure
evil, you know, like anybody that's gonna try to kill you by just
rolling up a magazine and just shutting down your throat, Like not a good
way to go, a really weird choice, but it seemed really effective.
I love it, and I know no other movie has used that. I
don't I can't recall. I'm gonna off. Might be that's what you do
when your movies way over budget and you're like, guys, what do we
have for a weapon in Like, g just brought a magazine in that day,
Let's use that. The first time I saw him do it too,
I thought he was just gonna beat her down like with with like as a
baton or something exactly just right in the gullet. They're like, oh,
we tore another alien costume and we don't have any props for that science gun
well magazine, But yeah, I'm gonna be like Tarantino rip that all because
it's such it's such like a it's like a it's like it's unnervous. It's
not what you think of right when you use something that's not used like like
you said, krikling, when they wrap up, you think, oh,
it's gonna be for hitting. But to choke him and try kill it's just
like and I don't even know, like is it trying to kill him in
a way where it's just to kill them or isn't a way where ash I
was successful could say like, oh, a face hugger thing like went down
the throat, because they've shown like go in and out, so that's what
it's like. What was his Was it just a weapon or was he trying
to already make an alby for himself. We'll never know because his head got
fucking you know. It's one of those. But I I can't really picture
what it would be like to be stabbed, but I can picture that that
would be very uncomfortable to have that magazine shoved down my throne absolutely, Plus
potential paper cuts too, that'd be bad too. Oh god, yeah,
micro cuts on the tongue just can't just doing just gonna get a lot of
saliva and damp and that's the paper gets wet, and that's right in that
moment, that's all be thinking about produced extra good. We'll we'll remember that
when we get attacked. Just hold hold saliva first, Just what are you
doing? I'm just getting ready to fight? Yeah, you know, bro's
this you and get some bis. You got some of the like you know,
like chewing spit, you got some of that or what is it not?
I think the shoeing spit. Let's say, let's talk about the the
face huggers and the eggs and everything like that. Because Alien, obviously it's
in this one. I have some trivia about it. But the whole Alien
franchise is very overtly and subtly sexual. There's lots of penetration. There's lots
of aliens with holes and peculiar things that look like phallac symbols or look like
vaginas or asses, like they do not see aliens this way? Is that
how you see them? Do you watch Prometheus? You don't remember the birthing
scene? Like all the things of those aliens are purposely they purposely made them
look like I'll give you that, I'll give you Prometheus, but I don't
know about the while, so that the whole thing with John hurt. The
script wrote this because they wanted this is their algory for like rape. Yes
I've heard that. Yes, Okay, so I don't know what you're saying.
You don't see. But when I see the alien though, like in
the Zeno in this movie, I don't feel like the mouth is like a
phallic symbol. It usually it literally the mouth opens and that has another thing,
you know, what's around the mouth too that they used for effects is
condoms. They use condoms to make it have that ribbed look. So like
to me, the fact that it has that mouth and it does like that
stabbing motion later on the movie. It's like very evil Dead where you have
like one of the antennas going up the ladies, you know, other area
like all these not all, but lots of these movies have a lot of
those because I can't remember a VP, and I don't think they were thinking
that far ahead with AVP, and like what does this mean for society?
And they're just like that's O them fucking fighting a lot of societal messages in
that movie. So, like all these movies are very big into like reproduction
and fertilization and like and you know, sexual assault and stuff, and it's
and that's where they said, I'm splitting se my trivia. But they specifically
wanted to be a male because they want male viewers to, you know,
because they couldn't under it. They thought if they use a female, they
couldn't make the males like feel like, oh my god, that this is
happening. But that's why they want to use John Hurt and that's where they
have all that and it's I think that's what makes it to me more scary
than Predator, because PREDI wants to kill you, may you take you the
trophy, but you have this alien where you don't know if it wants to
kill you or impregnant you just for like survival or for their scientific reasons,
like you never really know. And that to me is just like it's it's
frightening. And I don't even know what they're gonna do. Like Fetti Alvarez,
who did Evil Dead the new one, I don't even know he's gonna
do with this one coming up. I think there's gonna be even in this
one. I think they like they really push the envelope and it's stuff that
sticks with you obviously the chest Burster does. But and that's such a good
to me build up to that hour you're talking about the dinner sym but just
even the actual scene of the shirt and then it comes out and has not
like that whole thing is good. But I I really as weird as it
as to say I like that aspect of this genre because I think there's some
horror genre stuff that touched upon that, but not to the to the extend
that this franchise does it kind of over and over, right, So m
h, I think that's my favorite sequence of the movie, and it's kind
of an extended sequence, but just one like the planet. I just love
the visual of that whole sequence when they're going through into that main chamber with
that dude on like the space jockey, yeah, the space jockey sort of
thing, and then just going down below into that like the egg room like
that, just the sense of scale that they were able to capture with those
two sequences, but more specifically like the egg sequence and when he just falls
down a little bit and like nothing bad immediately happens, like when it first
happens, but you know, the way they're just like building it up is
is just so effective there. But yeah, just like the the terror,
the horror, and then I think the worst part about is just like the
unknowingness of when he's back in the medical bay and he just has that fucking
thing on him and he's like sweating and you just see his like Adam's apple
just move around like crazy, and like every once in a while, the
tail whatever it is, just starts like constricting more and more of the neck.
Like that whole sequence is like, I know, just the claustrophobia of
that specifically having that thing on your face and they're poking it and then the
sludge comes down and it's burning through. And I love most movies like they
would just had the sludge go through the floor and that would be that.
But I love that in this movie that go down a floor. It's called
the sludge and it keeps going down, so they go down another floor.
Like it's just once again adds to the scale of it in a funny way.
But yeah, that whole sequence is so well done. And I think
because of this simplicity of him being in the medical play with a thing on
his face, like the visuals for that hold up like one thousand percent and
I think everything on the planet does too, Like that sequence looks amazing.
Yeah, And so I think that was why I was really into that whole
sequence is because I never had those moments where like, oh yeah, like
that doesn't look so good in the year twenty twenty four. Yeah, that
sequence is so good. Even just like right after the face hugger gets him,
they just have like a wide shot of the ship and it's just like
thirty seconds of just a ship and it's just like air and whatever wind going
on, and it's like kind of a little mass by darkness. It just
looks it looks so cool. So no, I agree with all that stuff
that because it could if that stuff doesn't hit then it's like a long half
an hour of just them exploring this planet and you kind of a little numb
by it. But I agree all that stuff is great. And those eggs
man, god man, I got too close. You know, this thing
starts a movie. Shine a light right on it. You know, you
gotta you gotta take a couple steps back. And that's where I love too,
Like it's through the helmet first, and it's like the helmet with glass
and then the thing and then it's just like when you slowly parse apart but
h and like when he cuts the helmet off of him too, it's just
like, fuck, his face is destroyed and then you take this thing off
and it's just a creature on his face. Yeah, worst case scenario.
Yeah, that's not how you That's not how I would want you to find
me on on an alien planet. I don't and if I do, I'm
leaving you, I weaver. I'm not bringing it in, you know,
Sorry, you had your time. I'll send a message back protocol. Yeah,
I'll just take a photo and I'll send that the change BG. Yeah,
I understand, you know, like you didn't want this guy coming back
with us on his face and then Taylor's the robot that overrides you. Absolutely
let me fuck get that for you. You are if you're an android and
it's in your face code. Uh yeah, I don't really have much else
to add, don't you nail it on the head. I feel like I
feel like the fact that I saw AVP first and then went into Alien it
like surprised me just seeing like the face huggers here and it's just like wow,
like I didn't realize how old this concept of the face huggers where I
guess I just assumed it was from those those movies. But yeah, no,
just such a great, such a great idea for this alien creature.
It's one thing to have a big monster that's ginormous and scary, but like
to have the whole life cycle. I guess it is like starting with the
eggs and then the face hugger that comes out of it. That, yeah,
just fucking puts the creature right in. Yeah, it's a way to
go, and just such a creepy design for the face hugger, like the
long fingers that they have. It's something too. It's just so eerie where
it's it's small enough you feel like it's not super intimidating, but just the
way that it like wreathes around Cane's neck. Yeah, it's squirmish. It's
funny the part when like like they dangle it above Ripley's shoulder and she like
freaks out and then like falls to the ground. That part just looks so
funny because of how proppy it looks in that moment. Yeah, I wonder,
like I wonder what that would look like as CGI, But it just
it was very goofy, of like you can just picture someone in the background
like just throwing like a toy spider on her or something, and it just
looks like that. Yeah, the the design of the face hugger, the
eggs, the Zeno, it's all just it's so unique. And I feel
like if I had to relate one o their alien species to the Zeno,
it would probably be the alien from species. I feel like it's very similar,
but I would definitely take this because I feel like that one's just really
just wild and crazy. But I like these looks of the Zeno, and
I feel like the applications too, well, this is such a simple design,
the applications that have been able to apply to so many other storylines and
concepts and ideas of just how the Zeno can really be expanded upon. It's
just so awesome And I can't wait to get into those other other projects where
we can talk more about that, because I think that there's there was some
controversial stuff too, I think, and I don't you probably have this in
your trivia, Travis. I apologize if I'm reaching too far ahead, but
like the idea of egg morphing and some deleted scenes that we're involved with that
do you have that in your notes, Travis, Oh, I don't have
deleted scenes. So it's funny because the directors there's a director's cut that has
so many other deleted scenes and stuff for that in this film. And one
of the not I do to have is the original cut three hours hours all
the delited scenes cut that we get, he's like just over two hours or
something. That is a lot of stuff sense. So yeah, there's you
can tell from in this movie. Like again, you have the different stages,
and one of the stages was egg morphing. And so this is the
thing where they didn't we'll talk about aliens when we get to aliens, but
that was where they brought in the queen. And at this point they didn't
even think about queens. So they're like, okay, where do these eggs
come from? So the storyline was that, and they kind of hinted this
in the movie where people are no blood. I don't know if they killed
the person there is he alive. They're taking the aliens, taking these people
alive, and so the story is he takes them alive and he's turning them
into eggs. And so they scrapped this, but they actually filmed the scene
of these people turning into eggs. But they scrapped this idea because they didn't
like in retrospect, how it takes two humans for one alien, one for
the impregnation and another human to like create the egg I guess to create the
face hugger to impregnate a human. It just seemed kind of redundant, Ye
to like it, just because I feel like that there'd be a lot more
exposition to add going on. So oh absolutely, And it's it would be
a lot, It would really be a lot like this. This is the
scene here, and like Ripley stumbles in and she finds uh Brett and why
am I drawing a blank on what the captain's name was? Dallas? Thank
you? Yeah, she stumbles in and they're like being cocooned, and Dallas
is like kill me, kill me. Where is this on the ship?
This is on the ship? Yeah, because the alien has made like a
hive and basically turning them into into eggs. Basically wow. And so they
again they scrapped it, but it's it's a whole long sequence of it's crazy,
it's and it's really gross. Yeah, I kind of like the just
quote unquote undetermined fates of of the members as they get taken out. I
mean, you know that they're dead, but you don't know what their bodies
look like where they are. For the most part, you do some of
them across a couple of them. But yeah, I don't know that that's
that's like totally different. That's that's some weird stuff, right. A lot
of people are happy it wasn't used. They've toyed with the idea, where
like in other like Alien Isolation for example, that idea is toyed with,
like, well, we're all these eggs. We'll talk about that. But
yeah, what are there? Is there any of the good gravy from the
other deleted scenes? I think there's an extended Lambert and Parker like confrontation with
the alien with each other, like I think out of each other. Yea,
yeah, I think there's other other I don't know if there's any other
things with mother or Ash. There must be some stuff, but the only
main thing like an hour, because there's probably a ton of stuff that's crazy.
Yeah, yeah, no, I'm happy with that. I'm happy just
keep it with the Yeah, for a movie like this that's holding tension if
you just start adding scenes here there. You really can cut that out pretty
quick, you know. Have you this very round am question. Have you
guys seen Ridley Scott's first movie that he directed, The Dualists or the Dualists,
I don't know what it's called. Actually no interesting fun to go back,
I have not. I have not, but retro when I was when
I was looking around at some trivia and just seeing what people were talking about
with this movie. Just seeing that, I guess he is like just directed
a bunch of commercials for a long time that was like what his career was,
and then did Dualists and then did this, which is a pretty interesting
career path. Like he made this like in his forties or something, right,
so kind of like it just a different career path that we think of
for a lot of big directors. But it's cool. Nonetheless, Uh A
note I have on Caine. I always thought it was interesting how he's the
first to wake up and he's the first to die. I feel like that's
a you see a little tie in there? Kids, Yeah, I like
that. That's good. Is the cat is this mentioned? Is the cat
caryogenically frozen? Or is the cat just got right? Because who's who's feeding
that thing. I believe the cat is frozen, but it's not a shot
or anything, right, I didn't miss that. No, I don't remember
it in the beginning at all, waking up with everyone. It's just it's
just there. Because one because that was something that I was just cruising around
and Reddit and people were talking about all sorts of crazy theories and stuff,
and one of them is that, like, I don't know, a cat
on a ship like this would be a good idea to keep around to kill
any rats or other things like that, like they used to doing, like
pirate ships back in the day. And so it's like, I don't know,
maybe the cat was just awake while they're all sleeping, just cruising around
the ship taking out rats. But then you probably had need like a more
reliable food source or else this cat might just bite it, and who knows,
I don't know how long they'd be crowding frozen in these periods, but
interesting inclusion to have a cat in here. I could believe in this universe
you would have rats on a spaceship, but I would be very on a
ship with rats. A spaceship with rats, that's not something you want.
But I mean with the rats in this, you know more if honestly true.
Yeah, I think it fits, like pretty like this is not a
world where space travel is like a very clean above board kind of thing,
right. This whole mission is like pretty sketchy and very grimy. Whenever we
see shots of this ship from the outside, like it's not a sleek design
by any means. So that kind of thing of having vermin in there,
I'm sure it's like it makes sense. You know, rats they getting everything,
they would probably sneak onto something like this when these people sending them on
this mission don't even care if these people survive this mission. I don't think
they'd care enough to make sure there aren't any you know, plague infested rodents
on this thing either. So it kind of fits. But I don't know
if that was the intention of the cat or why else there is a cat
on here. It's that's a pretty random inclusion, I would say. But
great cat actor. Yeah, Cat was amazing actor. When oh my gosh,
the other Chap what is his name? He was the second to die.
He was Avengers Bratt's Yeah, he's an Avengers. Yeah, he's like,
that's that's him. Yeah, When Hulk falls through the roof when he's
like Brett's like approaching him or approaching Jonesy, and Jonesy's like backing up slowly
and hissing because he knows right behind him. Apparently that was someone else was
supposed to someone else was supposed to. Wait, it was bred in that
moment, and then really just thought it was so much more interesting for the
the cat to be the only witness to his death, which I think is
just these actors aren't such a great idea cat here? Yeah, No,
it's just so terrifying, like just seeing the cat's face and like us,
the viewers don't even see what's going on. You just death noises and fuck
that cat. It's gonna be kept up at night. Now, what do
you do if you are Bretton You're walking around looking for Jonesy, but then
you find the skin that it shed. Do you keep going or do you
take this? Do you drop the skin? Do you take the skin?
Report it? What do you do? Some one's getting some action down here,
some snake skin. I maybe take the skin. I don't know.
You gotta word it's acid. But I definitely don't keep going a lot of
these people kept going. I couldn't, especially even like the fucking captain.
I felt like they he was not listening to anything. This way, you're
going the wrong way, Lambert is pretty much me when we're playing war Zone
and like giving you directions the final circle, like go left, don't go
right? Now, what are you doing? We won't Like, she's just
not the person you want to be on the colms when it emails, don't
go down. There's nothing to hear. Five second, you went the wrong
way, listen to me, Like, I feel so bad for him because
not only it's like he had to be the most scared. Not only is
it scared because his thing's coming, just like it's gaty on you. Oh
it's so fucking close. Man, it's freething on it. It should be
there now. God, I'm out here and you're there. Yeah, I
feel bad for him. And like I said, horre terrifying shot, and
that shot stuck with me the most out of all those, those are the
fucking and when I hope, Uh, what does that condition people have when
they can't with the shrobe, lights and stuff? Because I feel like you
could not watch that. Yeah, I watched this movie lights Off, fuck
man, that lasts little bit. My whole room was lit because like it
was just like and it goes on for a long time. I think it's
good for the scene and I think it builds some tension because like you've seen
like the classic like you know, light black, light, black and stuff.
Sometimes it's not the darkness that's just always going off. So I think
it works, but it is it is bright. They had that camera right
on that light, so no, it's it's so crazy because that's like the
first time we actually see the face of the Zeno morph and s it was
the little seedling popping out of cane And I just love that whole the whole
concept of they see this thing. It's probably the size of a rat,
right, like a proper New York rat, got some fucking birth and a
proper frame on it. So so they get their cattle prod. Okay,
yeah, let's go out there and just zap this thing. Then fast forward
to Dallas in the vents with Lambert on the mic just the wrong way,
turns around and like how big is unimorphs like seven feet tall like like something
like it's the huge Oh that's and like it's all black now, like it
just looks like a completely different creature. And the speed at which it just
gets that size is it's terrifying. Metal teeth or silver teeth, whatever it's
going to be. And then con mouth out of the mouth, you know,
like the second you see it, like disjaw and it has like another
mouth, Like what do you do with that? Like grab it, grab
the phallic right, so the predator does. We'll talk about that later.
We can't all be the predator though, super strength, superspeed weapons. I'm
just a man who hopefully has better calms. You went the wrong get out
of there, like not even like give it a direction. It's just freaking
out on the She's just it's right there, it's gaining on you. It's
like I don't need to like call say something else. The next time we
play caught, I'm gonna do that when I see guys like, oh,
he's right there, he's gonna get yeah, damn alright. P Lambert is
the one character I feel like doesn't really get anything, like at all your
deaths just like I know something we're off scream but it's just so off,
like it's just the tentacle looks like it's going up there and then it's screaming.
That's just it, you know, it's just kind of a you know,
I mean like she's the care that's just mentally broken from the fear of
what the alien's bringing. So I guess that is something that she's bringing to
the table. She is the one that suggests just abandoning ship, right,
trying their odds in the in the escape pod, which that is what Ripley
ends up doing. But yeah, that's that's like her, I guess,
Brett, those would be like the two that I just are the lesser characters,
Like they have purpose, I guess, but everyone else just feels a
lot more they need for them to kill off too at the end, which
I always forget how long many of them make it to the end, you
know, Like it's not like like I think some of the other ANI movies
are very one by one by one that it's kind of like one and then
a long break and then another one. It's not a consistent once attack and
then there's like four people at the finale, like the only Ripley is the
one that makes it. But I kind of like that, especially because again
we talked about that she's more become the main character but she's not the exact
main characters. They think, oh, maybe a couple of people could make
it with her, maybe she is gonna die, But no, she just
makes it that ship alone. And I just wanted to pop up and get
the exact dialogue here of Lambert. Like Lambert says, move, get out
of there. Maybe I'm gonna put this on like super slow speed. Here,
he's gonna do subtitles and super slow speed. Move, get out of
there, moving towards you. Move, So he has no idea where to
move. Tell us move, tell us anywhere, Yeah, move, tell
us get out. So he thinks he's got it. He thinks he said
no, no, not Why don't you tell him straight ahead of you,
not behind you? And something and that and the the reach Oh no you
waste breathless. Oh no, get out of there, like like don't like
he literally went to it. She could have just said it would take a
right, and then he takes the left. She says, you go the
wrong way. She just said move and he went to be fair. I
feel like the GPS system, the head set up, it was pretty like
he's a dot on a map. What environment is supposed to really help a
lot you're still blaming Lambert. If I'm Dallas, I'm I'm haunting her for
the rest of my days. When you wake up from your egg shell thing
that kill me, Kill Lambert, don't kill it. Well on the note
of Lambert too, So, when Parker was loading up the cansters had the
flame thrower, turns and sees the zeno in front of Lambert. He's basically
Lambert move and she said, no, no, I can't. I can't.
If she just tucked and rolled, he could have fucking doused that zeno
in flames, but she just she stood there, and so he tried to
be the hero. He he went to tackle it. Oh yeah, he
went to tackle it and he ended up getting killed, right, So she
caused him to die. She caused a couple tackling that thing, Taylor,
you football tackling them, George God, No, you can see that tail
swinging around. Yeah, you just do like a Mario Bowser situation. You
just grab that tail and you just start fucking going. And yeah, pretty
sure that's what you take about and conquer. No. I like that.
They set up kind of little many quote unquote factions within the crew in terms
of I don't know just having these different moments when characters have different ideas of
how these things should be resolved, whether that's like even going to the planet
in the first place, or letting people in, or what they do with
Caine and others once he's back, and then just the decision making from there
on out. So I think they do a good job of like kind of
pairing characters off in those ways. And yeah, it adds a little tension
between the crew because, as you mentioned, like yeah, like there's a
half an hour of this move before there's really any alien ish stuff going on.
They're just hanging out and you're starting to see like the roots of that.
So they did a good job with the cast of it. And like
when I'm looking at on IMDb, it's like, yeah, it's a pretty
like what is it seven people in this movie, And like I feel like,
yeah, they they there's there'sn't anyone that's like wasted by any means.
Some of them more more like stereotypical characters than others, but you know they
all get their quote unquote time to shine. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
one hundred percent. I agree with you there. I've I also just love
the like the banter or complaining that the characters like Parker and Brett have when
they're just they just feel like they're so ripped off, like they're doing all
this work, they're getting this shit back together, yeah, and they're they're
just wanting to talk about shares or when they're just it's funny, they're just
like disgruntled employees. And then when when everything's going shit, Andy's like,
do what you can, I'm coming down there. They're like, what the
fuck is she gonna come down here? Like, better stay the fuck out
of my way. Like they're it's just like complained about your manager type of
mindset. It just seems so human. I think like in those moments of
those characters, they're way off in distant world's galaxies, but there they still
have these very earth like problems dealing with their manager. And even just when
like fast forward later on when it's just Parker, I guess it's after Dallas
dies, so Parker, Lambert and Ripley and and they're just like weighing in
their options. Ripley suggests sticking to Dallas's plan, and Parker's so fired up.
He's like got the flamethrower ready to go. He's like I'm fucking killing
that thing. Lambert's just freaking out. She wants to run for the for
the woods, and it's just so chaotic because there is a lot of fear
in all of them and just they they don't really have a time to breathe
and like, hey, let's just weigh on our options, go through a
pros and cons list, Like Parker wants blood, Lambert wants to flee,
and Ripley wants to try and like stay headstrong, even though you can tell
that she's kind of, you know, having that internal ish like she's starting
to doubt everything because it's just fucking xenomorph has taking out everyone around them.
So I I, yeah, I like that you mentioned that. I just
of how it's not just one scene that they have a lot of time to
dialogue, like there is there's only seven of them, but they have a
lot of time to dialogue in and amongst themselves. So yeah, that scene
you mentioned there where Brett and Parker were just talking talking shop and they're down
below fixings and Ripley was going down there, I really like that scene in
Parker and Brett are my favorite combo here together. And so when Ripley's down
there and the seam is blasting out of the event and they can't hear what
she's saying anymore, and she leaves, and then Parker shuts the valve up
and turns off the steam. And then I can't remember how what like Cussy
says, but I think he's like, son of a bitch, and Brett's
like what And he turns a thing back on and it's steaming because it's just
not supposed to be doing that, but like he I feel like he was
using it just to get Ripley to leave. Yeah, there's just those little
dynamics that I really I appreciate. Random thing too, and this would only
happen I think in this movie releasing in the seventies, is that people are
just like smoking cigarettes on this ship. Oh yeah, because if you know,
like on a ship and it's like a pretty big ship, but it's
like you got to pump oxygen into that thing for it to work, and
you're gonna like burn presses oxygen by putting like cigarettes smoke into the air.
That's just like makes no sense. But I love that that made sense for
them to do for a movie like this. But I think once again,
it also kind of establishes that, like, this is not clean, sleek
space travel that we would expect from a lot of other franchises. It's just
like this is dirty. This is down and dirty and grimy and nasty,
and that's it's kind of sticking to the theme in that way. So I
don't know, I can't recall if any other alien movies things taking place on
ship. I doubt any other ones have people smoking on board. But I
feel like just I don't know when did when did smoke? When did people
learn that smoking kills you and that they shouldn't do it? Like was that
in the eighties? I think the early eighties. I feel like eighties is
when it started to happen. But then I still feel like there was a
lot of like WHOA took a long time for it to yeah, And I
think even when it happens, well, probably doesn't kill you. It's probably
just what they're saying. And then I think a bunch of people in the
nineties early two thousand started dying from that, and like, yeah, it
could you could smoke on an airplane in like the eighties, can you oh
yeah, you spoke? Stroke anywhere? Really? Like theaters whatever, like
it's just like schools. Yeah, go watch Man, Go watch mad Man.
They're smoking all the time in there. So what's that like sixties seventies
Yeah, I think so yeah, or mad Man? Yeah, mad Man
is the sixty one with Goourney Weaver. Anything else particular. I mean the
score, it's fantastic. Is so fucking good. Jared Goldsmith, right,
one of the all time great composers. And I feel like I don't actually
know a lot of his movies, to be honest, but this is definitely
one of them. We just recently shout him out. You should go if
you want to rewatch the Original Plan the Apes his score and that is just
fucking so good. And everybody even the last New Plan, the Apes,
the Reeves trilogy, like Geino, they're always like riffing off like things he
does and everything. But yeah, Goldsmith has not talked about enough, but
he's he's he's fantastic. I was just looking at his IMDb has got over
three hundred credits. Isn't that insane? Yeah, he's one of the best.
But do you think it talked about enough? Because he don't. He
has like the big themes, like like a Han's or like a John Williams
or something like that. But I think he consistently just does things that are
just just they go very well with the project. So I feel like the
score carries the early stages. Yeah, I don't say that, you know,
just out there, remember the first just walking and it's just like if
this score sucks, I didn't think about that. Yeah, this movie is
nothing from the beginning because it's just them in the desert and nothing's happening when
they're when they're on the planet for the first time, like exploring, and
it's just like a snowstorm pitch black, but you and like the wind,
but then you just have that like it's like a miasthma of unsettlingness that the
score brings in those moments and ugh, yeah, it's so good. Does
he do any of the other Alien movies scores? I don't know. I
don't. I don't think any of the new newer ones. I don't know.
Maybe he could have been Aliens too, but with that being Cameron,
that could have been someone else as well. So because I don't think he
did any of the other apes ones if I recall, but he might even
Yeah, I'm trying to quickly do a search here. My god, he's
just done so many things that it's hard to find anything anything else from YouTube.
Oh my dig for Jerry uh the again with alien romulus. I think
the I mentioned this when we're doing the trailer examination a while ago, that
there's a quick snippet shot of some people pushing this what looks like charred remains,
and people are speculating that that is actually the Big chap or Caine's Sun's
remains from space, which I feel like there's maybe something there if the story
is, hey, they sent a ship and they went to the with a
nostromo was destroyed, and they find somehow these were floating remains of a charred
zeno in space or something like that, and then they bring it into the
station or something. I don't know, But there's also cure like maybe this
is m might fit in better with aliens when we get to that. But
I'll just put it out there now where you have to wonder. Okay,
if the ship had a crew member swapped the science officer swapped out for ash,
you have the pre existing standing orders where if there's a stress signal,
you have to respond to it, otherwise you fourfoit your pays that's already implemented.
But the company had uploaded data to mother and had I want to say,
uploaded some kind of pre existing notion into ash of what to expect.
So the ship was also happening to go along this trajectory of where this signal
was. And I feel like people's kind of speculation is that it wasn't this
the whole company that was aware of this. Otherwise you wouldn't have aliens take
place the way it does. You would have had a company send another ship
out there right away to respond to this signal. So people think is maybe
one guy at the company took it upon themselves to make this change and try
to get the credit. Could be one higher up guy. When they found
out the signals or stop stop sending from the stromo and the ship got self
destructed, they just kind of like swept it on the rug, like,
oh man, I kind of I might have fucked up. I'm just gonna
let this kind of fizzle out, and that's that. But it's it's just
kind of very open ended. Who is really responsible for sending the ship there?
Changing the science officer and I don't ever need those answers, but I
liked how it's it's really kind of shady. They don't ever really dive into
Whaleen Uteni Corporation at all. It's just the company in this movie. And
I like how things kind of get expanded upon as the universe continues in movies.
So is that something that's not really answered in later movies more than that?
No, I mean in Aliens, you'll see like they briefly discuss it,
but they don't ever give a definitive answer to it. It's always a
mystery. Yeah, And same thing like in Prometheus, Like they get more
on the corporation, but not like the specific mission, right, But I
think for me they just give enough that Okay, it's just a shady company
that wants weapons, wants power and stuff. So but we meet Whalen in
E v P, don't we We do, and not only a few times
in the franchise. Really, Okay, that's the only one I remembering for
a treat with this fucking blowtorch. I don't remember those movies good enough.
So I'm excited. Yeah, that's gonna be good. I've always seen there
is an extended version of that, and I hope you guys watch it.
The see it's it's some juicy ship and which there is, and Aliens is.
There's a director's cut extended version with some really I personally love the extended
scenes that they added in there. I highly recommend you guys for Aliens the
next one, extended scenes will do. Yeah, you write that down nice.
And Jerry gold Smith didn't do any of the other Aliens, So there
you go, just the first one. Yeah, I saw he did a
movie called Alien Nation, but yeah, I believe that's in the same series
as Cannon. For this movie, like just in reverse, he just yeah,
yeah, yeah, one. So I talked about this well, I
didn't mention the exact moment, but yeah, I think when the alien finally
gets blasted out into space looks really goofy, really silly. It's clearly a
man in the suit. It doesn't have like the dimensions right, it's just
way off. It's kind of silly. But I really like the whole sequence
leading up to that, with the self destruct sequence and the desperation of just
like the alien is really not even honor for most of it. She's just
like walking around the station. There's a lot of steam. She's going through
the place all over again trying to activate or deactivate the self destruct just misses
that timer that has to make it all the way back. And I think
that sequence is really fun. And then I like the kind of bliss that
she has when she finally gets there and can kind of relax. But then
the aliens just like creepily like on a shelf, kind of like just huddled
up in a weird way. So yeah, I think that whole sequence is
like a good final, really intense moment that is just like, I don't
know, I feel like movies don't can't have like a simple scene like that
anymore. They need really got to ham it up, whether it's like the
score or just like having all these jump scares or crazy things happening. But
it's just like her running around and it is intense even if there's really nothing
actually happening until the later sequence when that's kind of resolved. Stuff like when
the face hugger when it first gets oh god, what my blanket of his
name? We've been here for Yeah, Like it's not like a big loud
jump scare. It's just the sounds like it's loud, but it's not like
a and it's just like, Okay, what was that? But no,
I like the I love her having to she's in her underwear and like sneak
into the astronaut suit, Like how slow does that? I love that they
got this because obviously all the shots are iconic. I love that they got
this suit that is like quite bigger than her, so it looks like she's
very much just like very loose in it, and just even the head thing,
it looks so much bigger. But no, I enjoyed that the alien
had a tough day. And yeah, in the new four K transfer coming
up there, putting her her her hair around her underwear back in there.
If you've not it's Disney Plus, it's just she's just clean, smoothing.
And in the original Aliens and she had in her underwear, uh, you
know, there's some hair going on, but they they decided to take that
out in this new generation. But now the next tra answer they're putting it
back in. So there's a lot of because now whenever I see it on
Disney Plus, it's just like c G. I like clean, like there's
not a hair follicule. Seem pretty strange. Honestly, I'm like seventies.
Yeah, that's what you're going and I'm like, oh, but frame hold
on like the secrets and you know they watching with your dad, Like Dad,
He's like, no, seventies doesn't make sense. I remember that aliens
just had a tough days quip and no, I really like, I agree
with you. There's some seleniness with that, But I do like that wakes
up, tries to get her, gets her out of the door, still
touch the gun, gets rid of the gun attached thing. I like that.
It's still like these steps of like you just can't get rid of this
thing. And I'm not sure if that's been something that's been announced or if
it's a rumor. I think there's been rumors that the alien and Romulus is
this alien that like is from the ship and it flies and it hits like
that next ship. I don't don't quote me there, but I think or
maybe this is sand theories. I don't know, but I'm gonna quote you
on that. Those the those what the editor was thinking. He's like,
fuck, I just can't get rid of this thing. Trying to edit out
the bush. Yeah, yeah, exactly keeps growing like the way that you
set that up. I'm just picturing like, fuck is it just everywhere is
it coming out of a little bit, it's a hole, it's like a
healthy amount or or whatnot. But it's just a screenshot for you, Kirklan.
I'm gonna have to google it on my own Google. It's on there
and stuff. You know. I just I thought, I'm not bringing up
just because I talk about pubic area, just like recently was announced that they're
putting like that transfer has that going back on, so I thought, oh,
good for the bush, you know the Bush. I would dare say
this is probably the most docile and calming alien you will see in the entire
franchise. Every film after this, they start to get faster and more crazier
and more. I just feel like sometimes too much, sometimes too much.
There's some that are like fucking full of monster energy red Bull cheese, like
they're going crazy. I think that's the thing I do like about being slow
and lumbering is like it is a big thing. I get why you could
make it fast, but with it being like eight feet, it has to
be like some heavy legs and tail, like. I don't think it should
be uber fast. So I think there's like a good I think you could
make it faster than this, But I also still don't mind if it being
slower, because to me, it's just that thing of like, once it
gets you, like I said, it's like, what are you gonna do
with this thing? What are you gonna hit? It? Like has like
cause tails, like bony skeletons, multiple mouths, like it's like this thing
doesn't have to be fast to be scary. In my opinion, it's just
you just gotta avoid contact. So yeah, you find it, Kirkling,
No, I can't find it anyway. I don't know. Give me,
give me one you give me one search and I'll find and I guarantee you.
But yeah, I trust you, I'll find it for another time.
I think it was just on Twitter the other day, so that's what it's
not. That must be real then it on Twitter? Right? Anything else?
No trivia me trivia. The chest burster scene was not filmed one take,
despite the myth. The scene was filmed twice. On the first take,
the Chessberg chess Burg Burster was unable to cut through Cane's shirt, so
the crew needed to reset and shoot again. This failed attempt is visible in
the finish film, uh though it made it look like the creature was struggling
to push its way out and made it seem more violent. So the way
where it stops and hits the shirt first, that game might think, oh,
it's great. No, that was the failed cut that they kept in
there. But I like that because I think it's a good like kind of
building of events there. But like, there's not a lot of blood in
the movie overall, but that scene is like a very bloody which is the
burst of the chest. That's a trivia note I have later on, but
there's the I'm guessing that's the thing. The hour cut there's lots more blood
and lots more gore, but they took it out to avoid X rating back
then. So like that version of I think there's still X. There's NC
seventeen. I don't know if there is X anymore that much. I think
people might use as like a gimmick, but I don't know if you can
really get X rayed and have to look that out. The two takes the
Steam were shot from multiple angles and took about forty minutes of footage if from
or about forty minutes of the footage was available for the screening, So yeah,
there's forty minutes of that. Just trying to get that right, John
Hurt stuck his head and shoulders and arms through a hole in the mess table,
linking up with a mechanical torso that was packed and compressed with air to
create the forcele exit lots of animal guts, which, according to theory we
ever, caused the set to smell terrible. The rest of the cast were
told that told not that real blood guts were being used as to provoke genuine
reactions of shock and disgust when it bursted. Apparently this works as well that
Yepkota went home in complete shock afterwards, locking himself in the room and refusing
talk to his wife for several hours. Wow, no, that night.
I don't like that. That's fucked up. Yeah, according to Yeah a
different time. Let's just yeah. That same actor was told by Ridley's screen
really Scott off screen to annoy Sangourney Weaver so that there would be genuine tension
between the characters. Coach wo regret this because he really liked Weaver. So
Coacho had a very tough Uh. Yeah, he had a very tough shoot.
Traumatized being told to make fun of sin Goourney, poor guy. Yeah,
to get Jones the cat to fearfully react to the alien. A German
shepherd was placed in front of him and a scene between the two. Uh,
the cat wouldn't see it at all at all at first. The screen
then suddenly removed to make Joones stop advancing and start hissing. So there you
go, that's great. Uh. The face hugger was originally planned to be
painted green, but seeing the unpainted face Hugger on sec noticing how intrusive the
call occasion, flesh tone color was argued it would remain as it was.
And that's by Dan O'Bannon. The dead face Hugger, the ash what does
the autopsy on is using fresh shellfish, four oysters, and a sheep kidney
to recreate eternal organs. The filming had to be done quickly because the organic
material went bad very fast under studio lights, so that thing was just cooking
there. So yeah, original cut was three hours and twelve minutes actually,
so there's an additional seventy two minutes there. Let's see, there's a whole
So for the alien's appearance in the shuttle at the end, the set was
built around I mean I mispronounced this. The guy who was in the alien
suit Buljo bade Jo, giving him the effective hiding place. However, it
was excruciating for himself and it proved more diff difficult and anticipated to get out.
He tore the suit several times and one instant the whole tale came off.
So I guess they built that set from like sneak in, but then
when him getting out of there was apparently just like a nightmare that where he's
like sleeping in. I guess they went through a lot of suits. At
one point, Saint Glory thought she was deadly allergic to the cat, to
that point of asking if she should be recasted. They found out it was
just the makeup and the spray that made her look sweaty. So they kept
spraying her on this and shot it was the cat, but I don't know,
it was just this thing like making her breakout and everything. So yeah,
sir Ritty Scott, like a brutal movie toil. Yeah. I only
got a few more, but there is pages of trivia and there's tons of
fun stuff, so go to IMDb if you want more. Ridley Scott did
all the handheld camera work himself, so not all obviously that it doesn't always
happened with the director, but he was there doing that. I talked about
the allergy. Here you go. So a few inspirations. The writers Dan
O'Bannon and Roland Shushlett shush It were inspired where World War two stories about so
called grimlin monsters that supposedly stowed away on fighter planes. However, during early
development of the script, they ran into a writing impass while trying to work
out how an alien would actually get a board ship. So they came up
with the idea that the alien fox one of them, which was eventually developed
in the face hugger concept. The method of reproduction via implanting. Implantation was
deliberately intended to invoke images of male rape and impregnation. So Bo Friars were
adamant the face hugger victim be a man, firstly because they want to avoid
the horror cliche of using women as the first target. And secondly, they
want to make that the men feel comfortable uncomfortable as I talked about, So
yeah, inspired by World War two and sexual trauma was alien uh my last
two points since the original title was star Beast. But he was never happy
with the writer and he it was only after rereading the script that he noted
how many times the word alien appeared and realize that was the perfect title.
So I think, I'm so glad we didn't get that Starby's Covenant all that
stuff predatory. I don't know what it is, but this name was just
not stars And then sir Scott Stay that cast and Roll Ripley came down.
Sagre we here a Meryl Streep. The two actresses had gone to college that
yelled together and were college mates. Ultimately, Weaver was off for the job
because Streep was more of the death of her partner John Caziel at the time
of the casting. So I guess there neck and neck, but then she
pulled out. So there is a universe where it's a Meyl Street that's and
maybe there's universe for singular Weavers and Mama Mia. I don't know. But
Soigourney were like, I wonder what her career, Yeah, I don't know,
Like I wonder what the alter universe would have been for her. Same
thing with Streep though, because like back then, even like still to this
day, but back then, horror was looked as like a it's kind of
schlocky, you know, like that was like it was like porn and then
horror and that thing of like I wonder she would have got those Academy Award
roles and stuff like that if it's all you were an alien. Where after
she did Ghostbuster, like clearly sing Goourney we ever started to do like kind
of genre stuff right, and then did many other aliens. So I'm gonna
get the trailers well quickly because I want to see the originally why you do
that, because you mentioned the influences for the writers, which is really interesting.
What do you guys think the influences have been for Ridley Scott And like
just the visuals of this, like what movies predate this that would really,
oh God, be influences for this because it just seems so distinct, but
like there must be something. I'm trying to think of it, like the
sci fires to do some digging, but just because they're World War two comparison,
I imagine some war movies that are one location, like in a bunker
or in a ship like something like that, where it's claust or phobic.
That's the only thing I could pull from, but I can. I don't
know what to see if he puts anything I was trying to do some research
on that and could not find any meat. I'm a complete genius. Oh
there you go. He was partly inspired by Star Wars, whether that's one
so which doesn't doesn't clash in my mind when I see this, Like I
don't see Star Wars at all, like a couple of blinking lights on like
certain monitors. I guess obviously there's the space angle to it and the ship
stuff like that makes sense. And I think, just like that we talked
about before, like some of the tech looking old, but it's like in
the future, so that but like, uh, but yeah, the first
minute of this trailer is uh uh just just boysh yeah, not the multiplayer.
I don't want to do that. Hang on, no back thermod there.
Look at this. So it's just like audio. It's just not lunch.
Yes, look at this. We're gonna do this for next movie.
Just these trailers, like look at that. It's very much like a concept
trailer. So it's for fuel audio. It was just space and it was
making the words alien and then there's the egg. The egg breaks open and
there's like lots of shiny stuff. But yeah, just quick cuts here.
I'm trying to see what they do here. But this feels much more like
a in concentrated like this is what we want to make fund us but it's
all made and stuff. But I like this trailer actually right now, it's
just Sigourney running and they're showing different shots in the movie, but really quick
cuts. Yeah, it's pretty crazy if they don't show that you don't work
fastly. I don't know if they're good like I thought they would have.
But you know, back then, oh off with the just singley butt,
Wow, what are they showing there? Okay, so they show their face
however, offs back then you couldn't pause and see what's going on. Yeah,
you know that looks pretty intense there in space no one can use scrat
I feel like they truly just took They could have taken all those shots and
randomized the order, because there is just yea like the fact that the scene
of them waking up from the cryo sleep is like, I don't know,
two thirds of that trailer is so interesting to me, just in terms of
how the trailer format is for movies these days, where you're trying to like
convey what the story is to some extent, but to have a shot like
that. That was that was a weird trailer for not showing the Zeno.
That's that's so crazy. That makes it so much more interesting to where you
actually see the folly fledged Zeno morph like in the movie. And obviously it's
just such an iconic villain now, but way back then, like you just
see this little thing pop out of cane to where Dallas gets, you know,
rong coms from Lambert. It's that's crazy. That's that's like rare for
us nowadays, right, because not alsome you need to see the monster to
sell the movie, right, so that's almost a foreign concept. So good
on them. One. Then you have what's that fucking macavoy movie that's coming
out, the Speak No Evil. Yeah, they're giving it right to you
in that trailer. One other trivia thing I did not fact check this,
but I saw this when I was cruising around is apparently they really Scott had
like his kids or one of his kids, and like some other producer guy
kid came on in the set to help film like some of the scenes where
they're like this when they're in the space suits and they're going through those just
alien like environments and next to the ship and stuff. They like put kids
in those suits to help make the scale work, make things look bigger than
they were. But apparently the suits were just like really heavy and like really
hot, and so the kids were like not passing up, but like getting
close to it. So it's like, yeah, that kind of thing.
We're like not fly anymore. But I love that idea that like, what
can we do to make these sets look even bigger? Yeah's not gonna be
facing down Hunter Andrenochrome too, like, oh, we just need this,
we need Hunters seem really tall. Grab the magazine. Final Thoughtstone, Uh
no, this is this is a fun one to revisit and and uh talk
about, And yeah, I think I I should put this more in my
rotation to some extent because I feel like there's certain things, especially you know,
Taylor's so deep on the lower these things, which I always appreciate,
but there's certain elements that, like, man, i'd really I want to
rewatch it now. Just think about some of those things you talked about and
just try and formulate some some concepts around them. So yeah, good time
with this one. I'm gonna I'm gonna give this an eight out of ten.
Oh right, number reading. Yeah, I will drop the big old
ten just because I don't really have many cons. I enjoy the hell this
and it did so much for film, and I also just again it's when
we watch these old movies, I just like and not that people aren't doing
it, but all that practical stuff like it just even when it's old,
which lots time. This movie's seventies, Like of course looks old, but
like there's things that just they just withstand the test of time because they're still
real. You know. It's not like in an effect. It's like eventually
affects like oh well, you know that looks a little less now because now
we can do this, or like we look at video answers like oh look
at that versus twenty or they're like, oh, of course it looks better.
It's just like no matter what, like those controls in that ship look
good because like they're real controls that were built, you know. And there's
lots of other things that are great about it too, But yeah, iconic
character, chonic moments, great mystery. Love it. So that's that's where
I am on this one. Yeah, I'm a I'm a firm ten and
a ten on this one. This is definitely one of my favorite movies of
all time. I truly love this one, and I don't really have anything
else to add. I'm excited to see the bush version. That's I haven't
seen yet, So bush Cut, I get the bush Cut. No vhs,
I have probably the bush Cut. It's bush It's uh yeah, this
movie, it's bird as bushed. This movie is always an absolute treat to
revisit. I really really like it, and it's just such a great a
great starting from ground zero point off into such a expansive universe. And so
this is something I'm gonna be revisiting it many many times again in the future.
I can't wait to get my get my daughter invested in this eventually down
the road whenever she I mean, she started watching it, but I didn't
get like I lost interest that far. Not even though she lost interest.
I just like when when Caine was dying, I thought, you know,
you don't really need to watch this. Let's let's let's put you in a
different room. It's like clockwork Gorn. She was loved it. She was
loving it the beginning, and all that fucking strobe lights going on at the
across the floor like the like the alien you look over just like slithers off
to the coach. Uh. But I'm gonna give it. I'm gonna give
it a kiddle ten out of ten. This movie is just it's it's fucking
fantastic and I can't wait to get to Aliens. Man. Oh, it's
gonna be a good good time. This picture you and Madison grabbing your cattle
prods? And where did she go? I think she's in the kitchen somewhere.
No, Taylor, not that way. Move. I love it.
What are you looking for, Travis? You're looking for the bush? Yeah,
it's looking at five five grand and weeks worth of production and remove the
bush. But I don't know. I've grand it's like a trillion dollars in
the seventies. Yeah, I don't know, because it's weird because I see
people sharing the story. But then I see all these things saying, oh,
no, it's not that, But I guess we have to wait till
this. So did you lie to us? Travis? Is that what you're
saying? You gotta pull the VHS? What's your search query? I'm curious.
You gotta be careful, She sings up nineteen seventy nine. I'm gonna
try some different keywords here and see what I pull. This movie clip is
from eight years ago. Let's see eight she's already suited up. That's not
gonna work. The bush is just fucking bushing out. I think we can
call it there, unless I was wrong. I don't know. But like,
because I see this quote from like, I see this thing from him.
But now it's like, I don't know if that's a real quote.
So maybe I don't know. I'm not sure. This is just a running
gig about the airbrush quote. I saw that one. Apparently it's fake.
What airbrush? Just that Sigourney Weaver refused to shave or bush so then they
had to spend a bunch of money to airbrush and hide it. That's what.
Yeah, I read that one, So maybe I think, see that's
I know. Maybe it's just this whole thing is an urban legend, you
know, the whole bush in general and everything VHS four K. So yeah,
I don't have a VCR here, so I can't test it so easily.
Yeah, we'll find out one day, we'll report back, yeah exactly.
Until then, we'll be worrying. Bye bye m