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Rivalries are the lifeblood of college football. Rivalries are just about everything in college

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football, and this, of course
is Rivalry Weekend across the landscape of college

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football and most specifically in our Big
Ten. Welcome into the Big Ten paradigm.

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Here at the College Gridiron Coast to
coast network, my name Ismart Rogers.

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You can join me on a daily
basis at the Voice of College Football.

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We've got a main channel, We've
got fifteen team channels, including Ohio

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State and Michigan. Iowa has won
the Big Ten Western Division. Regardless of

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Friday's result in Nebraska, there are
other rivalry matchups across the Big Ten that

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hold a ton of weight for those
particular fan bases and those alumni. Northwestern

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Illinois the Eliini must win to get
to six wins and a bull berth.

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Also Minnesota and Wisconsin. The Badgers
got their sixth win to reach bowl eligibility

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last week. They take on Minnesota
and the Gophers have slumped badly here in

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November. They've got to defeat the
Badgers to get to six wins themselves.

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But our focus here on the Big
Ten paradigm is where the focus of college

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football is period. It's Ohio State, it's Michigan. It is for the

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Big Ten East, it is for
a probable College football Playoff Berth. We

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join Steve Hellwagen of Bucknuts two four
seven Sports, Kevin Noon, and Tony

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Gerdemann from the Buckeye Huddle each and
every Wednesday at eleven am Eastern Time for

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Buckeyes Live. It's the game.
Yeah. I think people are going to

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need to slow build up to Saturday
or their heads are going to explode before

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kickoff. There is a lot of
pe and vinegar out there right now between

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the fan bases. Both teams appear
to be taking everything in stride. But

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I will say this. You go
back to twenty nineteen and you talk to

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Ohio State fans and there was not
a lot of talk about the game.

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Oh yeah, it's all well and
good. We're all focused on the CFP

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and everything else. Nobody that I
talked to at this point is really that

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focused on the College Football Playoff.
It's all about this game. After being

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on the wrong end of the last
two games, the allegations that are out

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there about what Michigan may have done
to have success in the last two seasons,

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and everything else, it's all going
to culminate at twelve o'clock in ann

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Arbor on the Fox Broadcasting Company.
But it's you know, there's a lot

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going on here, and Ohio State
is probably as healthy as it has been

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going into this game, certainly in
the last couple of years. And I'm

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expecting a real doozy in this one. And you know, I'm you know,

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I'm trying to run up a slow
build too. I'll probably be spitting

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nails by the end of the show, but right now, I'm just trying

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to slow burn Tony, Ali and
Frasier would be the only thing I could

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put close to this in regards to
There's nothing in team sports like it where

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the focus of your entire season comes
down to three hours and everything else is

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just considered, you know, window
dressing. Yeah, And really, the

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build up for this game started with
the build up to the Georgia game.

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After Ohio State lost to Michigan last
year, they realized that they didn't go

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into that game properly and they didn't
want to have that happen against Georgia,

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and they haven't wanted to have that
happen all season long, and they certainly

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don't want it to happen again in
this game. So they've been working on

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this. As Ryan Day and Urban
Meyer have said, you respect the rivalry

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by working it every day, and
that's not new at Ohio State. The

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results the last couple of years have
been sort of new, I guess you

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would say, but the focus on
this, and as Kevin said, like

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the lack of talk about the playoffs
at this point, it's just all about

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this and whatever happens after this happens. But right now this is the most

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important thing I think for both programs
and for a number of different reasons.

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And whether or not this is the
biggest Michigan Ohio State game ever, we'll

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probably talk about later in the show, but I think for as many reasons

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on the field, there is just
many reasons off the field why this thing

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is gigantic. Steve, Yeah,
I mean, you know I said this

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yesterday on Spectrum, and you know
Woody and Bow. You know people think,

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oh, they hated each other and
this, that and the other.

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Well Bo actually worked for Woody in
Ohio State and then he tried to leave

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to go to Miami and become the
head coach there, and what he was

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like, you don't want to do
that. You want to stay here and

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help us win here at Ohio State
and you could be the next coach at

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Ohio State. Well then he goes
on and becomes the head coach at Michigan.

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And they went against each other for
ten years, and there was this

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s grudging respect between them if both
shim Beckler was raising money for the children's

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hospital at the University of Michigan,
what he hayes was number one on the

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guest list to be there for the
big fundraising you know thing whatever they you

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know, it was the scrudging respect
that the two had for each other underlying

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friendship. None of that exists today
because Jim Harbaugh and Ryan Dave never really

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worked together, and they can't even
say each other's names, and one side

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stands accused of trying to spy on
the other side as well as every other

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opponent has had seemingly for three years
to steal food right out of their mouths,

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basically, and so it is deeply, deeply personal this time, and

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it hadn't been like that in a
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one means more, I think,
is what I would say in the stakes

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couldn't be any higher because this last
year, the four year of the fourteen

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playoff. You know, starting next
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still get in to the playoff.
You just have to play an opening round

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game as opposed to having the first
round by perhaps, although you could actually

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lose this game go on and beat
the team the following week and get the

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first round by So it's kind of
crazy the way that this is all shaking

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out, But this is the last
year. It means what it does,

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and in my way of thinking,
they've come close. They had twenty one

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million people watched the twenty sixteen game, which was eleven and zero versus eleven

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and ah. Maybe they can catch
that Florida State Notre Dame game from nineteen

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ninety three or ninety four that had
twenty two million people, the most watched

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regular season game in modern college football
history. We could have that with Fox

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on Saturday. Steve, just real
quick, when you say one team's spying,

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you need to clarify that you're talking
about Michigan, because Michigan fans might

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think you're talking about Ohio State doing
that spying. Yes, to clarify that

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was Michigan that did the spying.
The evidence seems to be mountains and overwhelming

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to where they've fired an assistant coach
because he impeded the investigation. Must have

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been something in there that he didn't
like that you know, he didn't want

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people to know about. So you
know, this one's real, O High

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State. You know, for all
those years of High State rubbed Michigan's knows

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in it, the last two years
Michigan has rubbed Ohio State's knows in it.

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And now Michigan stands accused of going
to great lengths to find a way

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to beat Ohio State once again.
And if that's not enough for is State

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to you know, finally put up
or shut up, then I don't know

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what would ever be enough for Ohio
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I will say these two coaches obviously
don't like each other. Even Brady Hoak

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and Urban Meyer attended to barbecue together, and we're seeing having a meal together.

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I don't think you'll see Ryan Day
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anytime soon for any reason. Yeah, that was at the Sound Mind,

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Sound Body football camp up there.
I was there for it, and I'll

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tell you that barbecue was good by
the way it was sat barbecue. It

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was very good barbecue. But no, I don't think that that these two

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coaches are going to spend a lot
of time together and they're not going to

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on the field on Saturday, because
let's not forget Jim Harbaugh is not going

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to be on the sideline with the
team. I mean, you know,

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let's let's not forget about that,
which you know speaks volumes. I mean,

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I don't know why they would do
that to an innocent program that's just

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done nothing. We're just sitting here
minding our own business. But you know,

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sure we're all. You bring up
Brady, how kids one and during

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contribution is great barbecue. It's barbecue. I'm guessing Kevin remembers nothing else about

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that event except the barbecue with barbicue. Well, there were way too many

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kids at that camp. I mean
it, you know, sound mind,

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soundbody. Is a great event and
it's open up to like everybody, But

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there they are just too many kids
there to be able to go there and

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scout anybody. It's it's it was
a lot. I appreciate great barbecue,

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but you appreciate great barbecue. I
haven't had it. I haven't had a

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chance to to do anything with the
smoker recently. Maybe maybe after you know,

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this week and then potentially next week
if Ohio State wins and goes to

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Indianapolis, maybe I can, you
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Kevin, Let's stay with you.
We'll go with this round of questioning.

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Because of everything that you guys just
mentioned. There is a thought out

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there that Ohio State has more pressure
on it. Number one, they've lost

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two consecutive games. Number two,
Ryan Day is coaching against an interim coach,

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and he personally would lose three consecutive
games. Beyond all the eleven to

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zero championship on the line, all
the typical and the pride and the bragging

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rights, but just the situation that
has been brought on by Michigan, let's

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face it has put more pressure on
Ryan Day in Ohio State. I say

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there's a lot of pressure on Michigan
too, and I said this on Serious

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XM last night. Look at it
this way, Michigan has what forty four

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seniors. The loser of this game
is going potentially to the Orange Bowl to

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play Louisville. May as well call
it the the opt Out Bowl, and

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that team is going to scatter into
the wind. And if you do believe

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that Michigan is going to be face
facing a lot of n C two A

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punishments coming down the line, and
they're doing this to you know, they're

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they're kicking the can down the road
in order to you know, this is

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a special team. We think we
can win a national championship. You know,

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Damn the consequences, we'll deal with
those later. If you're going through

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all of this and you lose the
game and you go to the opt out

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bawl and you lose to Louisville because
half your team has taken off because they

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don't care about that game. And
if you're not the CFP, you're gonna

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have a lot of opt out.
So there's pressure on Michigan too. And

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and that's not that's not to diminish
the point that Ohio State has a ton

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of pressure. Ryan Day personally has
a lot of pressure. That's all there

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too. But I certainly have heard
the narrative that all the pressure is on

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Ohio State, and that is just
not true. What do you think,

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Yeah, yeah, I agree with
Kevin. I mean, I think,

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yeah, Michigan needs to win this
year because the future is very uncertain for

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the University of Michigan football program.
I think the NCAA is going to throw

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the book at them. They're going
to vacate wins. And I think that

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is entirely possible that they could face
a postseason ban in twenty twenty four because

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of what has happened in the past, and if and when that comes down,

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there could be a number of players
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I think it is entirely possible that
the university president, the athletic director,

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and coach Jim Harbaugh could all lose
their jobs as a result of this scandal.

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And you know, again, I
don't think they embrace this the proper

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way. I think that, and
I don't know what the proper way would

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have been for them in salvage a
chance to win the championship this year.

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I don't know. I guess they're
militants in questioning the Big ten's purview.

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To do anything in the interim while
you await the long term NCAA process is

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probably the most just head scratching thing
that you know you're you're above the Big

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Ten to where you can do this
to the thirteen other Big Ten schools and

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expect there to be no repercussions.
I mean, I just I just don't

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know how you what kind of worldview
you have to think that you're above everybody

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else. To get away with something
so egregious, so obvious, is as

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obvious as the nose on your face. And they just thought, oh,

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well, we're Michigan, we're number
two in the polls. They shouldn't do

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anything to us. Well, in
a sense, they really didn't. They

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just took the head coach away for
these three games. If they somehow win

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this week, he's back in for
the championship game next week against Iowa,

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and back in for the playoff.
So you know what's really hurt them this

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year? Nothing? You know,
it's been a minor slap on the wrist.

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They're still eligible. They should thank
they're lucky stars that they were still

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eligible. So I think the NCAA
is going to throw the book at them,

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and you know that the mountains of
evidence are there, and so I

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agree with Kevin, this is the
year they need to win it all,

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create those memories, show that Michigan
is capable of doing this, and then

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when Matt Campbell or whoever comes in
to salvage this disaster in twenty twenty four.

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You know, hopefully by twenty twenty
five they can have a winning team

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back on the field, because I
think they're in for a root awakening.

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I think after the first of the
year, I'm seeing the comments from Mike

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and Tice about vacate wins for what
you guys are delusional, You've got don't

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forget soft well, Michigan has three
head coaches this year who have been suspended.

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So you know, if you want
to count the two suspensions for Jim

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harbaught like three times they've had head
coaches suspended, it could because Searon Moore

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has been suspended. Jim Harbaugh has
been suspended twice. And let's never forget

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Michigan has agreed with the last suspension, or else they would have stuck to

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their temporary straining order. They would
have continued to go through the injunction.

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So they agreed with this one.
They imposed the first one. They have

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agreed with the second one, or
else they would have done something to stop

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it. So this is something real
has happened here because Michigan has again imposed

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their own three game suspension, trying
to keep a four game suspension from happening.

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There's still going to be a suspension
from that first situation carried on to

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next year because the NCAA is not
going to take your three games when they

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wanted four, and and then there's
more coming from this. So there's there's

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obviously a ton of a ton of
pressure on both programs, both teams,

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both head coaches. Sharun Moore,
there's a ton of pressure on him.

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You don't want to lose this game
and then be the be seen as the

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reason why, because you know you
are in control of the game and then

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you are the reason that they lost. You don't want that. Obviously,

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Ryan Day doesn't want to lose three
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miss the playoffs. Michigan doesn't want
to miss miss the playoffs. Pressure for

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this game is is immense. I
also do think I think there's a chance

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if Michigan loses this one, they
will opt out themselves. They will self

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impose a ball band to try to
get back into the postseason a year earlier

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and once again say yeah, we've
realized something bad has happened here. They

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usually do it with them, They
drag their feet on it, but eventually

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they come around when they see the
punishment coming down, so like the yeah,

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yeah, yeah, yeah, we
agree there should be some more punishment

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here. So I would be shocked. And that's another reason why it's big

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for Michigan to win this and to
continue to move on and hopefully get what

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they are shooting for and some would
say selling their soul for at this point.

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But yeah, the denial from the
Michigan side is incredible for Michigan fans.

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When you have head coaches suspended,
your coach, head coach is currently

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serving a suspension. Something real is
happening here. There is a lot going

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on, and whether you disagree with
the rules or not, that's pointless.

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That means nothing. You can disagree
with them all you want. They're right

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there and they clearly have not been
followed to the point that your head coach

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has been now suspended for half of
the regular season. And the reason we've

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never seen that before is because generally
a school would fire coach for this level

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of needing to be suspended. You
see, I saw Bruce Feldman reporting on

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Saturday that there's a possibility that Harbor
would be suspended the entire twenty twenty four

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season. The reason that has never
been happened that never happened before is because

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the coach would be fired for that. And Michigan has not chosen to act

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on any of this other than they
when they have to and trying to appease

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the NCAA. I don't think they'll
have to appease the NCAAA in terms of

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their head coach, because I would
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I've thought this was his last season
since the first NCAA in fraction when he

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wouldn't accept the four game suspension just
really quick too. And I don't want

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to lump all Michigan fans together,
and unfortunately we see a lot of them,

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like on social media, the vocal
ones that dude from the Young Turks,

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who's insane. I mean, there's
a lot of stuff going there.

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But there's this Eric Cartman debate club
situation going on where the loudest voice in

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the room is the one that's going
to win, and we hear constantly,

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well it's a stupid rule. Well
it's still a rule. I think paying

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tax is a stupid still got to
pay him. I mean, they're there's

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a lot of that going on.
Well, there's no real advantage. Well,

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if you go to the if you
go to the article from the Athletic,

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it disagrees with you, just because
potentially Scott Leffler said, Oh,

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it wasn't that big of a deal, and we don't know that. I'm

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just saying it was an opponent of
theirs that they played earlier in the year.

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Oh, they could have had you
know, all of our we could

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have had all of their plays and
it wouldn't have mattered. Well, yeah,

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when you're talking about a group of
five team against a top end power

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five team, that's just generally what's
going to happen, unless you know,

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we're talking about Appalastian State and you
know there's a lot lot going back there.

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But uh, Toledo, Yeah yeah. So you sit there and you

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it's just no, no, we're
just going to be louder. We're just

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going to keep saying the same thing
over and over and over again. And

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they keep getting fed the same line
of ship from people. And I'm sorry

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that but it's it is. They
keep getting fed the same line and they

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just parrot it. They parrot it
over and over and over and over again,

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and people are like, well,
Ohio, State would do the same

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thing. Well, Ohio State is
no stranger to running a foul of NC

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two A rules. And honestly,
Ohio State fans have more history fighting with

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each other than they do with everybody
else. That's just generally how it works.

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So I just still don't know where
we are in the five stages of

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grief. I think we just keep
resetting it. I mean, because we've

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been in anger for a long time. We've got a large contingent of Michigan

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fans on our channel, some of
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show, and most of them are
above board and recognizing something serious and then

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it should be dealt with. And
certainly there's going to be an amount of

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offense to any fan base to try
to minimize that as much as possible,

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and that's human nature. But to
completely ignore it or actually turn it around

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to be this attack that's unwarranted and
malicious by the other big ten schools in

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the NCAA is a bit ridiculous,
all right. And one other note,

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Kevin had pointed us toward the future, and of course we will have plenty

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of time to go through the post
mortem. But I see Ohio States get

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the second ranked recruiting class in the
nation for twenty twenty four and should hold

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in the top four. You would
think Michigan doesn't seem to have capitalized on

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this two year run. They're at
fifteen. That's pretty much where they are.

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I don't know if this investigation has
had any kind of adverse effects on

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their recruiting class, but that's where
that lands. And I know the transfer

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portal has changed much of how important
that final high school recruiting ranking is,

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and Michigan's been more active and effective
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But still the Buckeyes continue to be
a monster on the recruiting trail. Just

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wait, just wait until twenty twenty
five quarterback Bryce Underwood from the state of

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Michigan commits to LSU. I promise
you that's happening. It's a done deal,

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and the amount of anger and everything
that's going to come out there is

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going to be insane because Bryce Underwood
is not going to Michigan. Michigan's recruiting

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it's a situation of they don't recruit. I mean, okay, you can

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still have a great class and not
recruit head to head with Ohio State on

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a lot of kids. Michigan has
tried to move into the state of Ohio

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and recruit some, but it's still
not to the point of where Lloyd Carr

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was doing. When Lloyd Carr had
this rivalry completely tilted in his direction,

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he could come into Ohio and short
of a legacy kid could at least create

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a level of indecision that would go
down until the final moment, until the

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kid was ready to decide. Michigan
is the king of recruiting Connecticut, I

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mean, is the king of recruiting
Massachusetts. Boston College should be pissed off

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about the amount that they recruit up
there in that area. But you know,

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Michigan is not necessarily getting involved with
the main kids. And I mean,

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yes, to be a top fifteen
team, recruiting is still pretty nice.

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I mean they still get some kids
or some kids in the last couple

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of classes. I'm like, that's, you know, that's a really good,

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you know, looking football player.
I think that that's going to be

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a huge get for them. But
I don't I don't know if I'm going

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to say, you know, at
least in twenty four I don't think it's

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going to have a major impact on
recruiting, especially because National Signing Day is

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less than a month away and the
nc two A can't do anything in that

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amount of time. So there's not
really going to be anything there that I

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think that's going to sway any kids
decisions. At this point, hell sign

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with them. You can go in
the portal. If the program gets nuked,

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you can just jump in the portal
and leave. So it doesn't really

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matter, but it could have some
impacts in twenty five and twenty six.

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But the Bryce Underwood decision been made
a long time ago. I do wonder

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about that in terms of if this
all, if the NCAA does have all

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of the proof that they need,
do they just get vacated for the games

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that they spied on spied for,
or do they get do they vacate the

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non conference games as well? Like
you're not going You're not sending somebody to

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spy against Bowling Green, you know, sending somebody to spy against East Carolina

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or Hawaii, although maybe you had
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But do they still get those wins? Or because this operation is going on

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during these games, like because it
exists, are all of those games vacated.

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I don't know that's a good point
off. I mean, if you

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have actual receipts that you know which
ones were directly impacted, or is it

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just kind of more of a blanket
thing of you know, this is under

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the administration of cheating, so we're
just going to to you know, wipe

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all of them out in just one
fell swoop. But the good news is

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Michigan will get the opportunity sometime down
the line to to get win number one

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thousand again. So you know they
can they can save all of those little

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cutouts and everything else, and the
press releases you just have to just have

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to cross off the names and the
dates and things like that. But you

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know, there's always there's always a
silver lining to every dark storm. They'll

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get a chance to win number one
thousand twice. Yes, yes, I

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did see and uh some interview Blake
Kor I'm talking about how the thousand wins

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they can't take that away, and
I was like, h they might be

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able to. Pretty sure they're gonna
it's happening. Can I ask a deal

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with the bigs? MIC's come at
here? What will OSU fans say about

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Ryan Day if he loses again to
Michigan. I know the fans last year

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calling for his job. Fans are
always calling for jobs. They're called for

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a job for a miss third down. So obviously they're going to call for

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a Rhinda's job after a second loss
to Michigan last year, and they will

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certainly call for his job again if
he loses this week. That's that is

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a given. That's what fans do, that's what media does. We call

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for jobs. But Ohio State is
the underdog in this game on the road

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against the number two team in the
nation. It's a game technically, mathematically

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you should lose, so I don't
think you get fired for something that should

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happen. But again, as I've
said many times, John Cooper didn't get

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fired for losing the Michigan. He
got fired for losing the program. And

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then all of those added, those
losses to Michigan never helped. And so

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if they had had better Bowl performances
and better just not flaming out the way

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they did, I think he would
have withstood the losses in nineteen ninety nine

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and two thousand, especially after the
nineteen ninety eight season being as good as

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it was. But that team once
nine two thousand things were dropping off of

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a cliff and they needed to make
a change. And so three losses for

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Ryan Day's just go back to work
the day after you go back to work

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on November twenty sixth, then you
get back at it. And that's it.

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I've said. The Doctor Pepper commercials
are patterned after the people at Texas

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A and M right down to the
maroon, you know, just the way

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that they overreact to everything in just
their the way they are. But if

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Ohio State gets stopped for no gain
on the first play of the game,

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that also applies to Ohio State fans, so they, you know, they

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throw the twel in at the first
sign of weakness or first mistake or whatever.

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They go off the deep end.
And you know, I just watched

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a videotape. You know, Woody
Hayes fans are fickle. You know,

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That's that's what Woody Hayes always liked
to say. And Ryan Day's fifty six

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and six and bring in great players, and you know, you don't want

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to lose to Michigan three times in
a row. That would not be good.

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But I don't think he's going anywhere
if that were to happen. I

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mean, you never want to stop
and think about, you know, well,

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what would happen if they did lose
this game, They'd be eleven and

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one unless some other teams all lost
Texas, Oregon, Alabama, Florida State,

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Washington, you know whoever. You
know, like four of those five

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teams lost. You're not going to
backdoor your way back into the playoff again

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this year like you did last year. So you're probably gonna get relegated to

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the Orange Bowl to play Louisville,
and half the team isn't going to play

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because they want to preserve their draft
status. So we've covered what will happen

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if they don't win, which you
know you don't want to even conjure that

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thought. It's time for Ohio State
to get back to Indianapolis. It's time

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for High State to win the Big
Ten again. It's time for High State

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to beat Michigan. And so,
no, I don't think they'd fire Ryan

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Day. No, none of what
will happen if they lose to Michigan is

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the least bit desirable. But you
know, he's your coach and he's your

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guy, and I don't think that's
going to change regardless of this. I

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mean, you do have a new
president coming in Ted Carter in January,

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new athletic director coming in probably in
March or April to work alongside Gene Smith

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for a few months. So you
know, just as I've said with the

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basketball coach Chris Holtman, some of
the insulation will be gone for Ryan Day.

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But again, you know, when
you're in the top five in every

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poll for years and years and years
and years, and you're going into an

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era now with a twelve team playoff
and you figure to be in it ten

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or eleven times every twelve years,
you know, why would you rock this

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boat and try and start over and
hope that it'll be better than what you've

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already got. Because there is a
second part to the firing. You have

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to then hire someone. So it's
not just to get rid of him.

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There has to be a capable,
suitable, better replacement. Steve Dason and

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I went back and forth about that. He stated that if Ohio State's really

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as serious about football as he believes
that they are, if Ryan Day loses

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this game, they're going to fire
him. And I said, I do

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not see that in any such way
happening, nor should it happen. He's

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winning eleven games a year, So
why wasn't Jim Harbaugh fired for losing?

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I responded, but in that same
way five Street or whatever and declining to

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play another like, is it because
Michigan isn't as serious? And that's been

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a claim that some Michigan fans have
said that, you know, that's why

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Ohio State takes this stuff too seriously. It's just football. It stops being

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just football, won't you start winning? Then it's life or death, and

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this is why we're better than you. But and there were people that wanted

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Jim Harball gone, and probably Steve
himself. I do remember Steve not even

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watching the twenty twenty one or the
twenty twenty one game one because yeah,

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because he knew it was going to
be bad. And so that's that was

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the situation with Jim Harbaugh. Then
and something something changed. And you know,

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for years, a couple of years, I had said leading up to

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that twenty twenty one season, this
was not Jim Harball had stopped having fun.

408
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:41,480
This was a miserable dude coaching his
team and had a miserable attitude just

409
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:45,880
just talking to him, seeing interviews, just staring off into space, and

410
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:48,559
then the team. The team kind
of stared off into space too, but

411
00:31:48,759 --> 00:31:53,079
then something changed. Twenty twenty one. He's more energized. He's and you

412
00:31:53,119 --> 00:31:57,240
can probably go back and just look
at the video from one year to the

413
00:31:57,240 --> 00:32:01,519
next, maybe ignoring twenty twenty stuff
because that was COVID and everybody was crazy.

414
00:32:02,119 --> 00:32:07,519
But this is a more energized guy
than he had been for a couple

415
00:32:07,559 --> 00:32:12,400
of years. And I don't know
if it's the which is the the chicken

416
00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:15,200
or the egg. Was it the
energy that brought the wins or was it

417
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:19,160
the wins that brought the energy.
And I'm not even gonna discuss how those

418
00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:21,880
wins came to be. It's just
you know, this is a different Jim

419
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:27,759
Harbaugh right now. David Greenshield,
thank you so much for the contribution.

420
00:32:28,319 --> 00:32:31,960
We know David is going to be
amped up on Saturday. Best game in

421
00:32:32,039 --> 00:32:37,240
the series. David's best are nineteen
eighty seven in two thousand and six.

422
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:44,000
Gotta love the earl headbands. Yes, twenty three to twenty Yes, that

423
00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:49,119
was a quite the game. And
of course sending off Earl in style.

424
00:32:51,359 --> 00:32:55,960
Eighty seven game was one of my
first Ohio State Michigan memories. Did Chris

425
00:32:57,000 --> 00:33:00,039
Pielman have two interceptions in that one
or is that? I think that's the

426
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:04,279
Cotton Bowl game, right, I
don't think he had entered. Yeah,

427
00:33:04,359 --> 00:33:07,880
yeah, I don't think he had
two interceptions in that game. Neither one

428
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:13,599
of those teams in eighty seven was
very good, obviously the way it panned

429
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:19,759
out. But I was at that
game and it was very cold that day.

430
00:33:19,799 --> 00:33:23,400
It was probably about thirty degrees and
my friend Joe and I we were

431
00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:30,519
in our second year sophomores at Ohio
State, and we just we went to

432
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:37,400
senior tackle. Woody Hayes Center was
brand new in nineteen eighty seven. I

433
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:40,000
think it was the first or second
year that they had practiced inside that indoor

434
00:33:40,039 --> 00:33:44,319
facility. When they had to go
inside, they would go over to the

435
00:33:44,359 --> 00:33:50,200
french Fieldhouse, which was a little
farther away from the Biggs facility, which

436
00:33:50,279 --> 00:33:53,519
is, you know, what was
their practice facility there. And so they

437
00:33:53,519 --> 00:33:59,079
built this nice indoor thing and they
had the senior tackle there. I was

438
00:33:59,079 --> 00:34:02,920
there, Chris Bielman hit the dummy
for the last time and all those things,

439
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:07,519
and then we hopped in the car
and it was blowing snow all the

440
00:34:07,559 --> 00:34:13,000
way to an arbor and we parked
our car and we went through the parking

441
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:16,840
lot looking for tickets, and this
really nice guy from Michigan was there with

442
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:22,800
his family. He's probably in his
sixties, and said, here, have

443
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:25,960
a hot dog, have a pop
whatever. Saw Ohio State students, whatever,

444
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:30,599
and said, yeah, we're looking
for tickets because well I got extra

445
00:34:30,639 --> 00:34:34,639
tickets. And I go, well, how much do you want for him?

446
00:34:34,679 --> 00:34:37,239
Well, it says seventeen dollars right
here, and my buddy and I

447
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:40,000
each pulled out a twenty and said
keep the change. You know, It's

448
00:34:40,079 --> 00:34:46,000
like we were expecting to pay top
dollar and got in for a face value.

449
00:34:46,039 --> 00:34:50,960
We were on the thirty yard line
in Ohio State. We didn't expect

450
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:53,280
Ohio State was going to win,
but we wanted to be there, you

451
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:59,639
know, for Earl's last stand.
And you know, they won the game,

452
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:02,840
and yeah, that was that was
a great memory. That's the first

453
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:07,199
time I went to Michigan Stadium.
And if you've never been there, to

454
00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:10,159
see it for the first time,
it's a little bit jarring. It's different,

455
00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:15,039
much different than Ohio Stadium. I'll
say that I think the whole state

456
00:35:15,079 --> 00:35:19,559
of Michigan's a bit jarring. To
be honest with you, it just seems

457
00:35:19,599 --> 00:35:22,280
like a dark, dire, cold
place. Of course, I'm only there

458
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:28,000
in the wintertime for Michigan football,
and you know, every time you go

459
00:35:28,039 --> 00:35:31,079
to Michigan State seems like the weather
is pretty adverse. I don't think I've

460
00:35:31,119 --> 00:35:35,639
ever been to Michigan State on a
sunny, seven degree seventy degree day.

461
00:35:35,679 --> 00:35:38,039
But you know, maybe if we
get a September game up there one year,

462
00:35:38,079 --> 00:35:42,599
that would be great. But then
I go up for Michigan football or

463
00:35:42,679 --> 00:35:46,159
Michigan basketball and Michigan State basketball there's
usually a foot of snow on the ground

464
00:35:46,159 --> 00:35:51,639
as well, so that kind of
adds to it as well. But compared

465
00:35:51,679 --> 00:35:54,039
to Ohio, it just, I
don't know, it just seems like it's

466
00:35:54,079 --> 00:35:59,360
Canada. I don't know, you
know, bad Canada, but since it's

467
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:02,800
Michigan. But I don't know.
That's just my impression of being there.

468
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:07,920
This will be the thirty I think
I've been at twenty nine of the last

469
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:10,599
thirty Michigan games. The only one
I missed was in two thousand and one

470
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:15,519
my wife was pregnant. My daughter, her twenty second birthday will be on

471
00:36:15,639 --> 00:36:20,599
Monday. Sometimes it's the day of
the game. Sometimes it's Thanksgiving, sometimes

472
00:36:20,639 --> 00:36:24,440
it's Black Friday. This time it's
two days after the game. But that's

473
00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:29,599
the one I missed in two thousand
and one, the Breakthrough with Jim Tressel,

474
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:34,400
and I watched that on television in
my basement and wrote the story for

475
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:37,079
the game from my basement with the
help from our people that were on the

476
00:36:37,079 --> 00:36:43,079
site that day. So yeah,
a lot of memories of Michigan and eighty

477
00:36:43,119 --> 00:36:47,400
seven that was that one took the
cake for sure. Well. I made

478
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:52,239
this similar comment to somebody this week
that was commenting to the channel that said

479
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:53,960
something like, and I don't know
where this person was writing from, maybe

480
00:36:54,159 --> 00:36:58,199
you know, South Florida or something, who said, you know where,

481
00:36:58,199 --> 00:37:00,920
does it matter where this game is? It's always cold up there anyway,

482
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:05,679
And I said, and my recollection
is it seems like every every game that's

483
00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:08,800
in Columbus seems like it's about fifty
five or sixty degrees, and every game

484
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:14,320
in ann Arbor like it's on the
brink of you know, snowfall and ice

485
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:19,880
and cold. It just that's that's
not the exact truth, but it just

486
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:23,760
seems that way. I will say
I've been to some lakes in Michigan in

487
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:29,559
the summer, the weather is fine
there in the right place is it's a

488
00:37:29,559 --> 00:37:34,920
lovely state. But Steve's right.
When we go to Michigan State campus is

489
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:38,079
beautiful and the leaves have changed the
colors. But then after the game,

490
00:37:38,159 --> 00:37:42,239
it's all like ice and snow.
I don't know, like the winter happens

491
00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:45,920
at night and it gets cold there. We have we've been there when in

492
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:52,000
October and like the there's a layer
of ice on the field, there's snow

493
00:37:52,079 --> 00:37:55,199
covering the pool outside of the stadium. And then of course Michigan, anytime

494
00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:59,159
we're driving back from there, it
feels like we're driving through blinding area just

495
00:37:59,199 --> 00:38:04,440
blowing snow. Back on twenty three, dealing with construction and wind and snow

496
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:08,760
and things like that. But it's
gonna be another one the thirty low thirties

497
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:13,519
around game time, and I think
it's dry. At this point, we

498
00:38:13,559 --> 00:38:15,360
know how much Ohio State does not
like the snow. We've heard about that

499
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:20,320
from Michigan fans for a couple of
years now, So I don't know what

500
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:22,639
the latest weather is. But I'll
be in a press box, so I

501
00:38:22,679 --> 00:38:30,079
don't care. Ner Fed Hacks is
telling us as we were discussing a few

502
00:38:30,079 --> 00:38:34,679
minutes ago about the changing landscape in
college football starting next season, losing to

503
00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:40,239
Michigan won't matter. So why would
they fire Ryan Day? Silly oops,

504
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:47,280
silly ops say silly things. Postseason
records matter moving forward. They would hire

505
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:53,840
him because he was the head coach
overseeing a program that's going to get hit

506
00:38:53,880 --> 00:39:00,320
with major infractions. That's why you
fire him. They're talking about right Day.

507
00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:02,679
Oh okay, I'm sorry. I
had to step away to yell at

508
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:07,880
animals. And although everything else,
there's a segment of the Michigan fans that

509
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:10,400
would say, you are absolutely correct, he has overseen well and that was

510
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:15,079
the thing. That was the thing. I went to the lowest of hanging

511
00:39:15,119 --> 00:39:19,719
fruit. So I apologize to the
super chatter. Yeah, no, I

512
00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:22,360
don't. I will yield my time. I don't have anything to say on

513
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:27,960
the other side of things. Well, we will eventually need to get to

514
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:30,760
some matchups on the field here,
but before we do that real quick.

515
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:37,519
It's kind of connected to the pressure
narrative, would be the psyche, especially

516
00:39:37,599 --> 00:39:40,679
with Ohio State. Steve, what
do you think the psyche? So I

517
00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:46,920
like in this not exactly of course, but in a sense, going into

518
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:53,239
the Georgia game after what could be
termed a demoralizing defeat against Michigan, even

519
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:57,840
three weeks later, I'm thinking,
what is this team going to be?

520
00:39:58,039 --> 00:40:00,480
I know what Georgia is, I'm
kind of infinite of how they're going to

521
00:40:00,519 --> 00:40:04,480
show up, but which Ohio State
team's going to show up? And if

522
00:40:04,519 --> 00:40:08,880
they show up the way they're capable
of. I was expecting an excellent game,

523
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:13,960
and so they delivered that. But
I thought if they don't show up

524
00:40:14,039 --> 00:40:16,679
with their heads screwed on straight,
then they're going to get blown out of

525
00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:21,920
the stadium. So what are your
thoughts about what the psyche of this group

526
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:25,000
could be after two consecutive losses.
Yeah, I think that they have a

527
00:40:25,039 --> 00:40:30,440
great deal of resolve, and I
think that their coaches have drummed it into

528
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:36,079
them that anything less than a win
is not acceptable, and I think they're

529
00:40:36,079 --> 00:40:40,599
going to go up there and be
very focused, very business like, and

530
00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:45,199
play their best football. What we've
seen as a team defensively, it's not

531
00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:51,719
a fluke anymore. This is eleven
games that they have played just outstanding football

532
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:55,280
against some pretty good offenses. Now, you know, we could say Michigan

533
00:40:55,320 --> 00:41:00,440
State and Minnesota the last few weeks, Rutgers, Wisconsin, and some of

534
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:04,960
these teams you know, don't have
a whole lot going for them offensively,

535
00:41:05,079 --> 00:41:08,679
but you know, Michigan and Ohio
State, I think they have what is

536
00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:15,880
it, seven common opponents this year
with the five other teams in the division,

537
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:25,440
and they both played Minnesota and Purdue, and Michigan's margin of victory in

538
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:30,840
those games is twenty eight. Ohio
State's margin of victory in those seven games

539
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:34,800
is twenty four, so it's pretty
comparable. And there were a couple of

540
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:40,119
blowouts that skew the margin there a
little bit. So Penn State is a

541
00:41:40,119 --> 00:41:45,480
barometer. Ohio State beat them twenty
to twelve, and Michigan beat them twenty

542
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:52,000
four to fifteen. So everything seems
to be, you know, as comparable

543
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:55,199
as it almost could possibly be.
Michigan's giving up nine point zero points,

544
00:41:55,599 --> 00:42:00,599
Ohio State's giving up nine point three, so everything seems to be just dead

545
00:42:00,639 --> 00:42:05,000
even when you look at any way
you want to qualify this, and I

546
00:42:05,039 --> 00:42:10,760
think Ohio State has that incentive and
has that motivation given what's happened, double

547
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:16,039
digit losses the last two times they've
played them. And yet the players can

548
00:42:16,079 --> 00:42:22,519
put the film on and see what
Maryland just making routine plays. They didn't

549
00:42:22,519 --> 00:42:27,159
have to stand on their head to
score twenty four points. And in fact,

550
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:31,599
had Maryland not self destructed and turned
the ball over for a touchdown on

551
00:42:31,639 --> 00:42:37,519
its own five yard line and you
had a safety or actually two safeties and

552
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:44,519
done some stupid things, maybe Maryland
wins that game. Penn State. We

553
00:42:44,639 --> 00:42:52,559
took covered the show that week.
Penn State James Franklin had three galactically stupid

554
00:42:52,559 --> 00:42:55,559
strategic decisions in that game. Now, Drew Aller could have stood out there

555
00:42:55,599 --> 00:43:00,239
all day, he wasn't going to
find his receivers. But you know,

556
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:04,000
Penn State was in that game,
you know, all the way down to

557
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:08,599
one fifty remaining when Franklin went for
two and didn't get it. But so

558
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:14,719
this is not an invincible Michigan team. It's a very good Michigan team.

559
00:43:15,119 --> 00:43:20,199
There's nothing for Ohio State to be
scared of. And I really like Denzel

560
00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:24,440
Burke yesterday said we're going to do
this for for Ohio. We're going to

561
00:43:24,519 --> 00:43:28,840
do this because we need to do
this. We have to do this.

562
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:31,840
There is no alternative. We have
to go up there and win this game.

563
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:36,400
I think that's and he's locked in. I mean you could see in

564
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:40,400
his eye that he's not. You
know, he ordinarily he's happy, go

565
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:45,079
lucky Denzel Burke. He wasn't bullshitting
around yesterday. He was ready to go.

566
00:43:45,639 --> 00:43:51,280
And you know Tommy Eickenberg's ready to
go. You know, Kate Stover's

567
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:57,719
ready to go. You know Marvin
Harrison's ready to go. So I'll take

568
00:43:57,760 --> 00:44:02,199
my chances with these guys this week
to you know, this is their vision

569
00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:07,199
quest, this is the one they've
got to win to ensure their legacy,

570
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:10,159
and they're too good not to not
to go away with at least one win

571
00:44:10,199 --> 00:44:15,760
over Michigan. The Denzel Burke thing, I think one of the questions was

572
00:44:17,639 --> 00:44:22,039
what concerns you most about the Michigan
offense, and his answer was nothing.

573
00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:25,199
There's something to that effect, and
then he went on to talk about the

574
00:44:25,199 --> 00:44:30,599
offense and the Ohio State defense.
He was definitely very serious in terms of

575
00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:37,400
the scoring margins, and margins are
what they are. But since counter stallions

576
00:44:37,519 --> 00:44:43,360
was suspended and since teams were aware
of Michigan's scheme to cheat the game,

577
00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:47,079
there have been four common opponents.
Ohio State's margin of victory total in those

578
00:44:47,079 --> 00:44:52,199
four games is ninety seven. Michigan's
is ninety three. So just a little

579
00:44:52,199 --> 00:44:55,400
bit of information there. The Michigan
State, Purdue, Penn State, Maryland,

580
00:44:57,159 --> 00:45:02,519
those four games the four common opponents
since the Stallions thing came about.

581
00:45:05,559 --> 00:45:07,920
But none of that means anything right
now. It doesn't mean anything on Saturday.

582
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:13,039
Michigan nearly lost to Illinois the week
before the Ohio State game last week

583
00:45:13,199 --> 00:45:19,360
or last year didn't mean anything.
Michigan gets a very tough game at Maryland

584
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:22,400
this week may not mean anything.
I think it did give Ohio State some

585
00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:28,280
a good look at what a quarterback, a capable quarterback can do against this

586
00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:31,199
Michigan defense, as long as you
don't turn it over. And Tealia Tunguebailoa

587
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:35,000
turned it over three times in that
game, including a fumble that was returned

588
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:37,480
for a touchdown. So if you
just hold on to the football, I

589
00:45:37,519 --> 00:45:42,920
think if com McCord gets protection,
there's gonna be some opportunities to go downfield.

590
00:45:43,039 --> 00:45:45,880
I just I'm also not expecting Michigan
to play Maryland the way they played

591
00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:50,679
that the way they will play.
I don't expect them to play Ohio State

592
00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:53,679
the way they played Maryland, I
expect them to keep some safeties up top,

593
00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:57,519
try to limit the big plays and
maybe force Ohio State to just be

594
00:45:57,599 --> 00:46:00,440
patient and run for six yards,
run for six yards, throw for eight

595
00:46:00,559 --> 00:46:05,320
yards, because I don't think there
are some defensive coordinators. I still don't

596
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:07,719
think Ohio State is patient enough to
do that. It's gonna be up to

597
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:13,920
Ryan date you stay that patient.
Ohio State did not have Trevion Henderson last

598
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:20,280
year in the game in Michigan,
didn't have Blake ORMs, so you know,

599
00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:22,800
we can look back there. But
I think the biggest thing that hurt

600
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:29,320
Ohio State last year is when you
are settling for three versus seven, and

601
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:34,239
Ohio State was three of three in
field goals last year, and you can't

602
00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:37,960
do that and you can't stop scoring. Ohio State really did not put up

603
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:44,159
any points in the second half of
that game and then got into a position

604
00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:47,119
where it had to sell out on
defense, and eventually the defense broke.

605
00:46:47,599 --> 00:46:52,559
So Ohio State just has to maintain
a level of consistency. If Ohio State

606
00:46:52,599 --> 00:46:58,840
can get up, it has to
keep the pressure on Michigan for the entire

607
00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:01,519
four quarters. Michigan. It's not
an explosive offense. I mean, that's

608
00:47:01,519 --> 00:47:05,599
not to say that Michigan hasn't put
up a lot of points and everything else,

609
00:47:05,639 --> 00:47:08,920
but they are not a team that
does it with with home runs.

610
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:14,599
They do a lot more you know, singles out there and do a very

611
00:47:14,599 --> 00:47:19,400
good job at it. But you
know, I will be interested to see

612
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:23,840
how Ohio State's in tier offensive line
holds up against the Michigan defensive tackles.

613
00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:29,519
I think that's something that's going to
be very important there. But Ohio State's

614
00:47:29,559 --> 00:47:36,360
red zone struggles that have been a
recurring theme this year cannot be part of

615
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:39,719
this game. Ohio State has to
put up seven when it is it has

616
00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:45,719
the opportunity, and I understand Michigan
for much of the season did not have

617
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:49,880
an end goal against it, but
you know, Ohio State is not the

618
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:53,719
opponent that Michigan has played in the
previous eleven weeks, and Ohio State has

619
00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:59,880
to do a better job in those
nd goal situations than is done in ninety

620
00:47:59,880 --> 00:48:07,559
five percent of this season. Traveon
Henderson is a different back than we saw

621
00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:13,519
fail in a short yardage key situation
at Michigan two years ago. Not his

622
00:48:13,639 --> 00:48:17,800
fault. Offensive line of course not
getting the push, not getting but Ohio

623
00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:22,000
State being a little bit maybe not
stubborn, but getting away from what they

624
00:48:22,039 --> 00:48:28,320
do best in a couple situations two
years ago and thinking that they could show

625
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:32,079
themselves to be tougher and ram it
ahead. But man Traveon Henderson to me

626
00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:36,960
is just for his talented and as
great at the season as he had in

627
00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:42,119
twenty twenty one, he was just
you know, riding creases and seams and

628
00:48:42,239 --> 00:48:47,119
exploding through them basically and showing off
speed and agility versus now he's a much

629
00:48:47,159 --> 00:48:54,000
more determined, focused, running with
anger kind of running back. I think

630
00:48:54,039 --> 00:48:58,840
he's also more patient. You've seen
him not just running straight into the line,

631
00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:01,280
but he's he's looking for or the
hole and he's reading things, and

632
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:07,079
then he's got the explosion to get
through there and make make guys just not

633
00:49:07,239 --> 00:49:09,480
even get into the picture. But
he's also making guys miss. And that's

634
00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:14,880
the difference between him and anybody else
in the Ohio State backfield is he can

635
00:49:15,079 --> 00:49:19,119
he can get to the hole because
the holes aren't staying open for long and

636
00:49:19,679 --> 00:49:23,360
Chip train him can only get there
so quickly. I do think maybe now

637
00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:28,000
they are able to play Dallan Hayden
and not lose a red shirt. Ryan

638
00:49:28,079 --> 00:49:32,119
Day clarified that after the game on
Saturday, saying that the postseason games don't

639
00:49:32,159 --> 00:49:37,360
count for the red shirt situation,
So if you could see him playing the

640
00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:39,440
rest of the way out, I
am. I will be interested to see

641
00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:42,800
if he is the number two running
back. I don't think he will be,

642
00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:46,760
but I wouldn't be surprised if he
he eventually becomes the number two back

643
00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:52,400
at some point this season. But
yeah, the thing that they're getting from

644
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:58,039
Henderson has been fantastic. He's averaging
over one hundred yards rushing a game when

645
00:49:58,079 --> 00:50:01,039
he's actually out there. I think
Notre Dame rush for one hundred, and

646
00:50:01,039 --> 00:50:05,400
of course is rush for one hundred
or so any last three games. And

647
00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:09,280
I'm still I don't know that there's
gonna be much success between the tackles.

648
00:50:09,719 --> 00:50:14,800
I think you're gonna have to go
outside the tackles against Michigan. But Penn

649
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:16,360
State rush for like one hundred and
forty hundred fifty yards on them and they

650
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:22,079
have no passing game. So I
think Penn State showed that you can you

651
00:50:22,159 --> 00:50:28,719
can move the ball between the tackles
and on the ground and we'll see if

652
00:50:28,719 --> 00:50:31,320
Ohio State can do that. I'll
believe that part when I see it.

653
00:50:31,360 --> 00:50:35,599
But it also only does take like
one big hit in between the tackles to

654
00:50:35,639 --> 00:50:38,320
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These recent weeks with Michigan, you
know they looked like the most complete team

664
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:36,920
in football. Maybe not the best
Georgia, but look like the most complete

665
00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:40,400
team against mediocre Big ten teams and
now here in recent weeks, and most

666
00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:47,519
notably against Maryland. We see JJ
McCarthy during this Harpboss suspension his QBR,

667
00:51:49,119 --> 00:51:53,119
he's been inconsistent. He made a
bad mistake in the red zone right before

668
00:51:53,199 --> 00:52:00,400
half against Maryland, and of course
the Maryland defensive and I know Roman Wilson

669
00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:02,880
caught a ball and then he was
on the sideline the rest of the game.

670
00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:07,000
But those Maryland cornerbacks locked down on
those Michigan receivers for one thing,

671
00:52:07,039 --> 00:52:13,840
they contested every throw practically, and
then of course Michigan having issues at the

672
00:52:13,880 --> 00:52:19,800
tackle position, especially on the right
side, and mixing and mashing and moving

673
00:52:19,800 --> 00:52:23,079
guys around. Ladarius Henderson's out.
Miles Hinton left the game last week,

674
00:52:23,199 --> 00:52:31,559
so they're starting to show some cracks
that they did not earlier. I'll just

675
00:52:31,559 --> 00:52:37,719
say it was a month ago.
Yesterday was JJ McCarthy's last touchdown pass wow,

676
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:43,039
and he was set on Monday at
the press conference. Hopefully he's just

677
00:52:43,039 --> 00:52:45,360
saving all of that up for Ohio
State, which would be a fantastic way

678
00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:50,639
for him to get out of that
slump. But not throwing a single pass

679
00:52:50,679 --> 00:52:53,400
in the second half against Penn State, well, obviously limit your opportunities,

680
00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:58,000
but throwing that interception at the end
of the first half in the end zone

681
00:52:58,039 --> 00:53:02,440
against Maryland was bad. The pass
he threw before that, which could have

682
00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:07,079
been intercepted by two different guys.
One guy knocked it down. That was

683
00:53:07,119 --> 00:53:10,400
even worse. That was a scramble
throw back across your body into the end

684
00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:14,360
zone, and that should have been
intercepted. And then the very next pass

685
00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:19,079
he throws gets intercepted because he didn't
see the linebacker in front of the receiver.

686
00:53:19,880 --> 00:53:22,519
So he does need to step it
up. He's a little banged up.

687
00:53:23,079 --> 00:53:28,079
Whether or not he's he will be
healthy enough. Obviously he's going to

688
00:53:28,119 --> 00:53:30,159
play. I just he needs to
be able to run the ball in this

689
00:53:30,199 --> 00:53:35,079
one and keep plays alive. But
while keeping plays alive, he can't make

690
00:53:35,159 --> 00:53:38,519
mistakes in terms of throwing the ball
back across the middle. He killed Ohio

691
00:53:38,519 --> 00:53:42,880
State last year with the big plays, but he only completed twelve to twenty

692
00:53:42,880 --> 00:53:45,880
four passes, and it was just
it was the big plays, the bad

693
00:53:45,920 --> 00:53:52,519
coverage, the the the Jim Knowles
aggressive defense last year, and that was

694
00:53:52,559 --> 00:53:55,719
a less talented secondary for Ohio State
a year ago as well, and Michigan

695
00:53:55,719 --> 00:54:00,840
took advantage of all that and exactly
the right time, and this year a

696
00:54:00,920 --> 00:54:07,239
high state feels much better about their
defensive chances. I'm sure. Yeah.

697
00:54:07,320 --> 00:54:13,840
I'm watching that game last week.
It's twenty three to three, and you're

698
00:54:13,880 --> 00:54:16,559
thinking, Wow, this Michigan team's
amazing. And that was the first twenty

699
00:54:16,599 --> 00:54:21,239
minutes, but the last forty minutes
left. You know, they left a

700
00:54:21,239 --> 00:54:25,159
lot of football out there in that
last forty minutes and so allowed Maryland you

701
00:54:25,159 --> 00:54:30,000
know, to get its closed as
five on a couple of occasions. And

702
00:54:30,039 --> 00:54:34,639
they even had the ball down five
I think, and he threw a talk

703
00:54:34,719 --> 00:54:37,119
of I low to throw a pick. Otherwise they could have driven it down

704
00:54:37,320 --> 00:54:42,400
and taken the lead. And that's
just, you know, amazing when you

705
00:54:42,440 --> 00:54:46,280
think about it in the fourth quarter
to be in that position. But you

706
00:54:46,360 --> 00:54:52,679
know, this game, I think
both teams are going to play their best

707
00:54:52,679 --> 00:54:58,119
football. And I think that there
is a factor that says, you know,

708
00:54:58,199 --> 00:55:00,719
the week before that game that you
you sometimes get caught look ahead.

709
00:55:00,719 --> 00:55:06,760
Although Ohio State really didn't with either
of these last two games against Michigan State.

710
00:55:07,159 --> 00:55:10,519
They were only head of Maryland thirteen
to nothing or Minnesota thirteen to nothing,

711
00:55:12,079 --> 00:55:15,320
and they did need to come out
of the locker room with the spark

712
00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:21,519
and Henderson provided that and then Sawyer
had the force fumble and they scored another

713
00:55:21,599 --> 00:55:24,599
touchdown, you know, two touchdowns
in the first ninety seconds of the second

714
00:55:24,679 --> 00:55:30,440
half, and now you could look
ahead to Michigan. It was a done

715
00:55:30,480 --> 00:55:32,960
deal at that moment. And yet, you know, I don't think Minnesota

716
00:55:34,119 --> 00:55:37,960
was going to generate much of anything. The Ohio State defense has come within

717
00:55:38,159 --> 00:55:44,440
two fifty yard field goals of shutting
out its last two opponents, and you

718
00:55:44,480 --> 00:55:46,480
know, I think it was at
three games this year where they've only given

719
00:55:46,519 --> 00:55:52,440
up three points. So you know, they're legitimate in my opinion, they

720
00:55:52,440 --> 00:55:55,960
are really playing great football. And
obviously it helps if Mike Hall could play

721
00:55:57,000 --> 00:56:00,639
this week and help stop the run
up front against Michigan. But to me

722
00:56:02,159 --> 00:56:06,280
and the Ohio State, finally after
a couple of years as a team that's

723
00:56:06,320 --> 00:56:10,880
ready to counter what Michigan has for
it up front, and we see a

724
00:56:10,960 --> 00:56:15,719
Jim Noles defense, I mean,
at least a Jym Knowles play Cauler on

725
00:56:15,840 --> 00:56:21,000
defense of where he's not gambling as
much at least in terms of Ohio State

726
00:56:21,079 --> 00:56:24,199
not giving up the big plays.
Only forty yard play was the crazy play

727
00:56:24,440 --> 00:56:30,760
against Rutgers. The fumble, rusky, double hike, whatever situation you I

728
00:56:30,760 --> 00:56:36,679
mean, it really hurt Ohio State
last year in the biggest situations of where

729
00:56:36,719 --> 00:56:39,159
they had momentium on their side and
felt like they were going to get the

730
00:56:39,159 --> 00:56:43,920
opponent off the field and then you
go cover zero and it all falls apart

731
00:56:43,960 --> 00:56:47,679
at that point. So I think
that as long as Ohio State stays true

732
00:56:47,719 --> 00:56:52,840
to who it's been in the previous
eleven year or eleven games, and I

733
00:56:52,840 --> 00:56:58,760
I'm not going to apologize by saying
Michigan is significantly better than anybody that Ohio

734
00:56:58,840 --> 00:57:01,239
State's played. So you know,
if you're coming out and expecting Ohio State

735
00:57:01,280 --> 00:57:05,039
to hold Michigan to three, you're
probably going to be disappointed. There's going

736
00:57:05,079 --> 00:57:07,960
to be there's going to be a
lot of swings in this game. There's

737
00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:10,199
gonna be a lot of times where
everybody's cheering and a lot of times where

738
00:57:10,199 --> 00:57:15,480
everybody's ready to call for everybody's head. But you know, I like Ohio

739
00:57:15,599 --> 00:57:20,320
State if it does not get away
from from what it is in terms of

740
00:57:20,440 --> 00:57:24,079
in its defensive structure and things of
that nature. We haven't talked a whole

741
00:57:24,119 --> 00:57:30,960
lot of Kyle McCord. In my
eyes, he's reasonably progressed, meaning you

742
00:57:30,000 --> 00:57:35,440
know, he's not a different player
than he was ten weeks ago and become

743
00:57:35,719 --> 00:57:38,360
you know, the the reincarnation of
c. J. Stroud or anything like

744
00:57:38,440 --> 00:57:44,400
that. But he has taken steps
to become a better quarterback, a more

745
00:57:44,679 --> 00:57:50,920
fluid, confident, more decisive quarterback, and he's reached this game in what

746
00:57:51,119 --> 00:57:54,320
is a reasonable manner in regards to, you know, really taking the position

747
00:57:54,440 --> 00:58:02,039
and progressing each week. In my
view, yeah, I would agree with

748
00:58:02,079 --> 00:58:07,119
you. You know, at halftime, we had people wanting to enter the

749
00:58:07,119 --> 00:58:12,360
transfer portal looking for anybody else to
play quarterback because they got it down the

750
00:58:12,400 --> 00:58:15,599
red zone and settled for field goals
three times, and I think on each

751
00:58:15,639 --> 00:58:21,599
one of those there were two incompletions
in each one of those series that led

752
00:58:21,639 --> 00:58:25,559
him to have to kick field goals, and he missed some receivers, there's

753
00:58:25,599 --> 00:58:30,480
no two ways about it. Now, some other cases guys were covered.

754
00:58:30,519 --> 00:58:36,800
I give Minnesota credit. Their defense
really is not that bad, so he

755
00:58:36,880 --> 00:58:42,519
can play better. But he ended
up over two hundred yards and two touchdowns

756
00:58:42,840 --> 00:58:46,719
and completed two thirds of his passes. Just had another comm Accord day,

757
00:58:47,519 --> 00:58:58,320
and he's one hundred and one yards
from becoming the seventh different quarterback to go

758
00:58:58,360 --> 00:59:01,719
over three thousand yards in a season
at Ohio State. It'll be the eighth

759
00:59:01,760 --> 00:59:07,119
time it's happened. CJ. Stroud
did it both of his years as the

760
00:59:07,159 --> 00:59:09,199
starter, so will be the third
year in a row that they'll have a

761
00:59:09,239 --> 00:59:14,960
three thousand yard passer. They didn't
have one obviously in twenty twenty with fields

762
00:59:14,960 --> 00:59:22,440
because of the COVID year, But
so, you know, he's fine.

763
00:59:22,599 --> 00:59:24,559
I don't think they lose this game. If they lose it because of Kyle

764
00:59:24,639 --> 00:59:30,280
McCord, and they may not win
it. If they win it because of

765
00:59:30,360 --> 00:59:35,000
Kyle McCord. They may win it
because of great running game and great defense,

766
00:59:35,159 --> 00:59:38,159
and Marvin Harrison made one great play
in the red zone or something like

767
00:59:38,239 --> 00:59:43,119
that, and that's it. I'm
picking Ohio State to win the game twenty

768
00:59:43,119 --> 00:59:45,840
to seventeen. I just think that, you know, we're in for,

769
00:59:46,280 --> 00:59:52,480
you know, one of these old
time you know, head head smashing type

770
00:59:52,559 --> 00:59:58,320
games, and the ball could be
moved between the twenties, but then it

771
00:59:58,320 --> 01:00:00,800
comes down to what do you do
for me in the zone. And I

772
01:00:00,880 --> 01:00:05,320
just think that there's going to be
some settling for field goals and different things

773
01:00:05,400 --> 01:00:09,280
like that as opposed to a lot
of touchdowns in this game. I'll just

774
01:00:09,320 --> 01:00:15,480
start out real quick. In November. Three games in November, cal McCord

775
01:00:15,800 --> 01:00:20,840
leads all Big Ten in pass efficiency
one hundred and seventy one rating. JJ

776
01:00:20,960 --> 01:00:24,880
McCarty is sixth and Big Ten passing
efficiency November at one hundred and twenty six.

777
01:00:25,800 --> 01:00:30,199
Calvimccord eight touchdowns, one interception in
November. JJ McCarthy zero touchdowns,

778
01:00:30,320 --> 01:00:34,840
one interception in November. At the
very least, there is going to be

779
01:00:34,880 --> 01:00:37,880
a question about the Big Ten Quarterback
of the Year. For the longest time,

780
01:00:37,920 --> 01:00:40,559
that was just going to be JJ
McCarthy. I think the winner of

781
01:00:40,599 --> 01:00:45,119
this game was probably going to be
the winner of that award. And if

782
01:00:45,119 --> 01:00:49,239
you can keep cal mc cord upright, I think he's going to beat Michigan.

783
01:00:49,280 --> 01:00:52,000
If you can't, then you've got
some issues. And JJ McCarthy just

784
01:00:52,119 --> 01:00:53,840
needs to when he is trying to
make a play, he has to make

785
01:00:53,880 --> 01:00:57,760
a good play rather than bad play. If he makes more good plays,

786
01:00:58,079 --> 01:01:04,719
it makes no bad plays that I
think Michigan would yes, and they probably

787
01:01:04,719 --> 01:01:08,679
want to keep calm McCord in the
twenty five to twenty eight pass attempt range.

788
01:01:09,679 --> 01:01:15,840
I would think that that sounds like
the formula. If they're only throwing

789
01:01:15,880 --> 01:01:17,199
the ball twenty five or twenty eight
tons, that tells me they're running the

790
01:01:17,239 --> 01:01:22,760
ball or they're going free and out. So I guess column may or Colum

791
01:01:22,800 --> 01:01:27,199
b there Mark, Yeah, and
Ohio State just has to be able to

792
01:01:27,480 --> 01:01:30,159
shut down. I mean, the
last two games, Michigan has eight rushing

793
01:01:30,199 --> 01:01:35,519
touchdowns against Ohio State. Granted one
of them had six and is rushed for

794
01:01:35,719 --> 01:01:39,960
I think it combined five hundred and
forty nine yards if I remember correctly,

795
01:01:40,199 --> 01:01:45,360
averaging like thirty eight. Thirty nine
carries a game with the clock rules.

796
01:01:45,960 --> 01:01:50,079
You know, we're not talking about
them as much now as we were earlier

797
01:01:50,079 --> 01:01:52,920
in the season. But if they
do that, that means that they're you

798
01:01:52,960 --> 01:01:55,719
know, A they're not getting away
from their game plan, which means they're

799
01:01:55,760 --> 01:02:01,239
probably winning. And B they're keeping
Ohio States offen the on the sideline.

800
01:02:01,280 --> 01:02:05,320
And in Michigan, while it has
put the ball on the ground nine times,

801
01:02:05,360 --> 01:02:07,960
only has lost two fumbles. So
you know, I don't really like

802
01:02:08,000 --> 01:02:13,840
Ohio State's chances of stripping the ball
if Michigan gets things going in the running

803
01:02:13,840 --> 01:02:17,280
game. So Ohio State has to
do everything it can to try and limit

804
01:02:17,280 --> 01:02:22,880
that Michigan running game. You know, whatever that may mean for Roman Wilson

805
01:02:22,960 --> 01:02:27,159
and for Colston Loveland and guys like
that, and Kevin, you usually bring

806
01:02:27,239 --> 01:02:34,000
up the winner of the rushing yardage
battle as one, what twenty one straight

807
01:02:35,320 --> 01:02:38,519
something like that. I'm still in
the process of writing Tale of the Tape.

808
01:02:38,519 --> 01:02:42,280
That's how much I love this show. Stop. I was in I

809
01:02:42,320 --> 01:02:45,280
was in a groove. I was
writing, and I'm like, oh,

810
01:02:45,320 --> 01:02:49,000
I got to get on the Rogers
show, so I have to get back

811
01:02:49,039 --> 01:02:51,639
to that. As soon as we
are done. Well, Kevin, we

812
01:02:51,679 --> 01:02:54,000
appreciated, and as soon as we
read this super chat, we will let

813
01:02:54,280 --> 01:02:58,599
everyone know where what they can find. Kevin and everyone else we got,

814
01:02:58,639 --> 01:03:01,679
Mike thirty eight eighty three, appreciate
you. I'm tired of the Wolverines.

815
01:03:01,679 --> 01:03:07,079
Comparing Illinois last year to this Maryland
game, Illinois last year had a great

816
01:03:07,119 --> 01:03:14,599
defense. This year both teams sucked. Okay, Doly noted Mike. Yeah,

817
01:03:14,639 --> 01:03:17,960
I mean Maryland. Maryland is Maryland, and it did its usual thing

818
01:03:19,039 --> 01:03:22,599
of where it plays pretty well to
start the season and then goes into a

819
01:03:23,360 --> 01:03:25,840
bit of a November nos dive.
I mean, of course, that was

820
01:03:25,920 --> 01:03:30,599
different a couple of years ago when
Ohio State went there the week before playing

821
01:03:30,639 --> 01:03:35,119
Michigan and had to escape with its
life in a fifty two to fifty one

822
01:03:35,800 --> 01:03:40,559
overtime thriller. But yeah, Maryland. You know, Maryland went through a

823
01:03:40,599 --> 01:03:44,719
lot of the season being like the
number four team in the Big Ten.

824
01:03:44,800 --> 01:03:51,199
And now nobody, nobody is necessarily
talking like that after the turps have fallen

825
01:03:51,280 --> 01:03:54,360
completely off the table and into a
hole next to the table. We so

826
01:03:54,480 --> 01:03:58,519
much appreciate you being here on the
Big Ten Paradigm each and every week.

827
01:03:58,559 --> 01:04:01,599
We will catch you next week.
But in the meantime, you can catch

828
01:04:01,679 --> 01:04:06,760
me and join our live call in
shows each and every day at the Voice

829
01:04:06,800 --> 01:04:14,119
of College Football on YouTube. So
we will see you then and till now.

830
01:04:14,239 --> 01:04:16,920
Enjoy the games, enjoy the rivalries, and we will see you back

831
01:04:16,920 --> 01:04:19,239
here next week on the Big Ten
Paradigm.