1 00:00:15,400 --> 00:00:22,039 What is Kracklakin Fellow thermonuclear a evers? I am Danvelly coming at you four 2 00:00:22,600 --> 00:00:28,280 the hashtag return of the Certified pants tabulous. Mister Grant Hughes, we have 3 00:00:28,280 --> 00:00:30,839 a unique podcast today, Well, I guess not a unique. I guess 4 00:00:30,839 --> 00:00:34,280 peak offseason podcast for you today. I would call it. We're going through 5 00:00:34,960 --> 00:00:40,039 draft in the facsimile of rankings the best twenty three and under players as of 6 00:00:40,240 --> 00:00:45,240 August second, two, twenty three, So anyone who is twenty three or 7 00:00:45,399 --> 00:00:49,960 under as of August second, two, twenty three, not taking into account 8 00:00:49,960 --> 00:00:52,840 that some of them are going into their age twenty four season. People always 9 00:00:52,880 --> 00:00:55,920 seem to get confused by that. I know the date is arbitrary, where 10 00:00:55,920 --> 00:00:59,039 it's at. Their birthday is before January thirty first, YadA, ya YadA. 11 00:00:59,280 --> 00:01:02,159 So it's gonna be we're just gonna draft them for the rest of their 12 00:01:02,600 --> 00:01:04,480 careers. We're taking them as if we want them for the rest of their 13 00:01:04,519 --> 00:01:10,799 careers. We'll get into the criteria first. Please remember subscribe if you haven't 14 00:01:10,799 --> 00:01:12,599 done so already. Hits sub on YouTube, Blake comment, help the algorithm, 15 00:01:12,640 --> 00:01:18,079 love us back. Subscribe on Apple and Spotify, leave ratings and reviews. 16 00:01:18,120 --> 00:01:21,480 The ratings are going up on Apple. Keep juicing those leave reviews as 17 00:01:21,480 --> 00:01:23,959 well. 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And now we ask the question that people have been 26 00:01:55,840 --> 00:02:00,680 waiting weeks to hear the answer to Grant, how are you doing? I'm 27 00:02:00,680 --> 00:02:07,439 doing great. I've enjoyed a couple of vacations slash time off recently, and 28 00:02:07,799 --> 00:02:12,879 I was disappointed to not be here speaking to you uh as we normally do, 29 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:15,800 but I was not disappointed to sort of mostly not be working. And 30 00:02:15,879 --> 00:02:21,680 I was also not disappointed. This is this will be on brand for anyone 31 00:02:21,719 --> 00:02:24,240 that's been listening for any length of time. I took Twitter off my phone. 32 00:02:25,080 --> 00:02:29,879 Uh is it X Now I refuse to change the logos on our Twitter, 33 00:02:29,919 --> 00:02:31,520 but is it? If you're asking the guy that took it off his 34 00:02:31,560 --> 00:02:36,919 phone what it like, I call it what you want. Uh, but 35 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:40,479 it immediately made my life better and made me feel better, and so I'm 36 00:02:40,479 --> 00:02:44,639 going to see how long I can go keeping it off my phone. Probably 37 00:02:44,639 --> 00:02:50,080 not good for promotional purposes for this podcast or just anything, but I do 38 00:02:50,199 --> 00:02:55,280 love, not habitually, uh, clicking on it just to see what's what 39 00:02:55,319 --> 00:02:59,800 bad things are in the world, or or being said about me or you 40 00:02:59,879 --> 00:03:04,840 or us. So that's that's But yeah, I'm glad to return and talk 41 00:03:04,879 --> 00:03:07,759 to you, especially because I did notice while I was gone that the level 42 00:03:07,800 --> 00:03:14,960 of fantabulousness was dipping. So I'm glad. I'm glad to provide whatever that 43 00:03:15,080 --> 00:03:16,680 is, I'm glad to be back to provide it. Wow, look at 44 00:03:16,680 --> 00:03:21,360 Grant just thrown shade at the guests we had in his absence. Well, 45 00:03:21,400 --> 00:03:23,439 I mean, they're great and better than me, but they were less fantabulous. 46 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:27,199 So I mean, I think that's I think that's fair enough to say 47 00:03:27,240 --> 00:03:30,879 we're excited to have you back. I'm kind of with I don't scroll through 48 00:03:30,919 --> 00:03:34,879 Twitter anymore. I don't think you're not gonna be well, I guess unless 49 00:03:34,879 --> 00:03:37,000 they stop using it, but like, you're not gonna be able to function 50 00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:40,560 once the season starts back up and you need like the woes and shams notifications 51 00:03:42,080 --> 00:03:44,560 to do your job. Yeah, you have to have it for that, 52 00:03:44,639 --> 00:03:46,680 but I'm just gonna I'm just gonna enjoy this period of time where I don't 53 00:03:46,759 --> 00:03:51,599 have to. I have Blue I have a blue skuy code if you need. 54 00:03:51,639 --> 00:03:53,439 It's interesting if you want to hop on another social media app that about 55 00:03:53,479 --> 00:03:58,000 threads. Is Threads still happening? Uh? It might be. I'm not 56 00:03:58,080 --> 00:04:00,199 on it. I just I g is always has been the and I post 57 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:04,280 stuff there for the podcast's always been the most tedious app for me, and 58 00:04:04,319 --> 00:04:08,080 I don't really enjoy it. So I was like, I don't really want 59 00:04:08,080 --> 00:04:11,479 to tie myself to Threads, but a lot of people are on threads. 60 00:04:11,680 --> 00:04:15,840 Blue Sky Conversations a lot better. The audience is like I have like seventy 61 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:18,040 followers, which is just like, that's what sucks about Twitters. We spend 62 00:04:18,120 --> 00:04:23,000 years building this brand where it's like Hardwoo Knox has four or five K followers 63 00:04:23,040 --> 00:04:26,040 whatever it is. I have twelve plus, and then it's just like it 64 00:04:26,079 --> 00:04:30,160 doesn't matter anymore, and so I've lost the I don't get that, not 65 00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:32,720 even a rush, but I don't have the same impetus to want to promote. 66 00:04:32,759 --> 00:04:35,759 And I also keep forgetting to promote on Blue Sky because it's like you 67 00:04:35,800 --> 00:04:40,160 know that meme of like DJ and the three People, that's like basically what 68 00:04:40,199 --> 00:04:43,000 it's like posting on Blue Sky at this point. Pretty much, yeah, 69 00:04:43,040 --> 00:04:47,759 pretty much. So this draft, so the criteria, as we already mentioned, 70 00:04:47,839 --> 00:04:53,160 is going to be drafting these players for the rest of their careers, 71 00:04:53,639 --> 00:04:59,480 and everything we've seen and analytics it will go into it. But like the 72 00:04:59,519 --> 00:05:02,560 point of this exercise, because we're talking about entire careers, Like when I 73 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:08,920 made my big board, I took some swings where it's just like I'm trying 74 00:05:08,959 --> 00:05:11,439 to protect Like, yeah, rookies, incoming rookies are going to be a 75 00:05:11,439 --> 00:05:14,959 part of this. It's not just going to be a Wemby situation. And 76 00:05:15,040 --> 00:05:17,120 so I'm curious did you approach it in any different way? Were you more 77 00:05:17,720 --> 00:05:21,199 did you gravitate more towards the known quantities or did you look at Okay, 78 00:05:21,240 --> 00:05:25,600 well, if this player is twenty three, I'd rather latch onto this nineteen 79 00:05:25,680 --> 00:05:29,120 year old guy. Yeah, I kind of. I didn't go into it 80 00:05:29,199 --> 00:05:31,199 intentionally. I just sort of looked at all the names and started going and 81 00:05:31,959 --> 00:05:38,560 started with some tears basically, and then sort of subconsciously I ended up way 82 00:05:38,560 --> 00:05:44,079 way more highly valuing established commodities insofar as you can be an established commodity at 83 00:05:44,120 --> 00:05:46,279 twenty three or twenty two, or some of these guys are twenty one and 84 00:05:46,319 --> 00:05:50,639 younger. So I think I think there's a good chance we approached this like 85 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:55,759 from pretty opposite ends of the spectrum, which will make it more interesting. 86 00:05:56,279 --> 00:05:59,199 Maybe we'll just each of us will get all the guys we want, but 87 00:05:59,279 --> 00:06:02,399 they'll be my average age will be like twenty two and six months and years 88 00:06:02,439 --> 00:06:06,439 will be like nineteen or something. Right, And I will say I didn't 89 00:06:06,439 --> 00:06:11,240 even bother to rank Jayalen Williams because I just knew he wasn't gonna end. 90 00:06:11,279 --> 00:06:14,879 But I'm not gonna make it. You and I will look up, well, 91 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:16,959 let's do the maja culpa in advance, and it should be me because 92 00:06:16,959 --> 00:06:21,759 I'm the one who built the database of players if we left off anyone who 93 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:26,800 was actually aged twenty three or younger. On August second, two, twenty 94 00:06:26,839 --> 00:06:30,600 three, I apologize. I went through it a bunch of times, and 95 00:06:30,639 --> 00:06:32,759 I feel like there were some deep cuts that I really didn't need to include, 96 00:06:32,920 --> 00:06:35,720 and so maybe by trying to throw so many names in there, I 97 00:06:35,839 --> 00:06:41,120 forgot one. I'm hoping I didn't, but you can let us know. 98 00:06:41,319 --> 00:06:45,800 I apologize in advance, but I think we got all the main characters that 99 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:49,439 fall under this tier nobody. This is again, I shouldn't throw my lot 100 00:06:49,519 --> 00:06:53,279 in with you on this because I could otherwise, just like skate if you 101 00:06:53,319 --> 00:06:56,519 did forget someone, but I didn't. There wasn't anyone that I was like, 102 00:06:56,519 --> 00:07:00,319 oh, this is an obvious miss. So the two that I went 103 00:07:00,360 --> 00:07:04,079 through the fifth time and I included Kelton Johnson and Anthony Black, I didn't 104 00:07:04,120 --> 00:07:06,319 have on the list, and so it's like, right, well you put 105 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:10,800 and this is not to say like they were in our rankings whatever, Like 106 00:07:10,879 --> 00:07:14,959 you had Taylor Hendricks and Jars Walker and Blow Coolbali and the cool Pool players, 107 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:18,680 but not Anthony Black. It's just like, so, here's hoping that 108 00:07:18,720 --> 00:07:23,639 we didn't. I didn't suck it up in any way. But I don't 109 00:07:23,639 --> 00:07:25,879 know how to determine who gets the first pick. I wish I had a 110 00:07:25,879 --> 00:07:28,920 coin to flip. Let's just give you the first pick. Well, this 111 00:07:28,959 --> 00:07:32,480 is another because we're just gonna preamble the shit out of this. If the 112 00:07:32,800 --> 00:07:36,519 I feel like usually in this situation, whoever gets the first pick, the 113 00:07:36,600 --> 00:07:40,519 next person should get two in a row, and then you alternate from there. 114 00:07:40,519 --> 00:07:43,040 How do you feel about that? Is that too big of an advantage 115 00:07:43,079 --> 00:07:46,879 for going second? I would say we could do that if you want, 116 00:07:46,879 --> 00:07:48,199 But I looked at this more of like we're not even trying to see who 117 00:07:48,199 --> 00:07:51,319 has the best roster, though we should definitely see what it's like after the 118 00:07:51,319 --> 00:07:56,480 fact, but like, because it's more of just a like I have to 119 00:07:56,519 --> 00:07:59,319 take if I'm second, Like I just have to take what I think is 120 00:07:59,680 --> 00:08:01,480 like the best. Then at that point I don't think it needs if we 121 00:08:01,480 --> 00:08:05,120 were trying to go for if you want to see who we can build the 122 00:08:05,120 --> 00:08:07,879 better team, I will go. I don't because I don't want to think 123 00:08:07,879 --> 00:08:11,240 about positions at all. No, I didn't when I made like my board, 124 00:08:11,480 --> 00:08:15,959 so neither all right, If I'm going first, then let's just start 125 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:22,120 this. I have to take ween Binyama and justify the ship out of that 126 00:08:22,120 --> 00:08:26,519 one because that's so controversial. No, I've it kind of should be because 127 00:08:26,519 --> 00:08:28,800 like he hasn't played yet, so like there's at least as a baseline issue, 128 00:08:28,839 --> 00:08:31,720 like that's a real thing, and because we're gonna talk about that more 129 00:08:31,840 --> 00:08:35,399 later as we you know, as we get farther into it, it's like, 130 00:08:35,600 --> 00:08:39,759 how do you weigh just I don't think either of us is gonna take 131 00:08:39,759 --> 00:08:43,639 Anthony Black, but like, how do you weigh Anthony Black? Who has 132 00:08:43,759 --> 00:08:46,200 who has well, I don't know, maybe you are, I'm not who 133 00:08:46,279 --> 00:08:48,559 hasn't played at all, versus like someone who's twenty three and is just just 134 00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:52,519 does not have an all star ceiling, Like how do you you know, 135 00:08:52,559 --> 00:08:54,039 how do you make that? Anyway, it's when Banyama, if any of 136 00:08:54,039 --> 00:08:56,919 the if like eighty percent of the hype is legit, I think it's a 137 00:08:58,039 --> 00:09:01,039 totally defensible pick. I maybe he don't even need to defend it, and 138 00:09:01,120 --> 00:09:03,960 like, would you have taken him first if it were your pick? Yeah, 139 00:09:03,960 --> 00:09:07,200 he was. It wasn't begging. By the way, if anyone's watching 140 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:11,279 my new setup does not really allow me to type on my screen, so 141 00:09:11,320 --> 00:09:15,080 I'm putting it into my phone to keep track of the picks and hopefully the 142 00:09:15,080 --> 00:09:18,159 time stamps as well. So Grant, I'm not ignoring you. It's just 143 00:09:18,919 --> 00:09:22,279 it's for the sake of the final product. How would it not be Wemby. 144 00:09:22,519 --> 00:09:26,559 It's like I said to you, and I said it to actually Katie 145 00:09:26,559 --> 00:09:28,559 because we took Katie hin No, because we talked about Victor weman Yama briefly. 146 00:09:30,159 --> 00:09:33,600 I only saw his bad Summer League game, and I came away thinking 147 00:09:33,639 --> 00:09:35,639 he's gonna be one of the greatest players of all time, and so why 148 00:09:35,679 --> 00:09:39,360 would you not take He's just starting out. And look, I know you're 149 00:09:39,399 --> 00:09:45,000 saying he hasn't played yet, but like the stuff he does on defense is 150 00:09:45,039 --> 00:09:48,000 going to translate immediately, and even if you're worried about the offense, like 151 00:09:48,080 --> 00:09:52,159 it happens. I feel like sometimes we skew too far, you know, 152 00:09:52,159 --> 00:09:54,679 how we romanticize rebuilds, but at the same time, like we just assume 153 00:09:54,759 --> 00:10:00,559 that rookies need to have this steep learning curve. Sometimes rookies come in even 154 00:10:00,639 --> 00:10:03,799 post Tim Duncan, where they're not these seasoned products. They come in and 155 00:10:03,799 --> 00:10:09,799 they're just amazing. Why can't that be him? I think I think the 156 00:10:09,960 --> 00:10:13,440 argument against whim ban Yama, if you had to make one, is just 157 00:10:13,559 --> 00:10:18,279 we're talking about entire careers, and like the injury risk, given his like 158 00:10:18,399 --> 00:10:24,039 unprecedented physical profile is there, and just guys that are anywhere near his size 159 00:10:24,039 --> 00:10:26,440 tend to not last very long, so that would be it'd just be a 160 00:10:26,559 --> 00:10:31,960 risk, a risk, like aversion argument. Right, It's like, well, 161 00:10:31,960 --> 00:10:33,200 he might not get more than like six or seven good years, and 162 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:37,039 who knows, like how many of those will come in a row, whereas 163 00:10:37,159 --> 00:10:39,039 some other guys that we're going to talk about, you know, project to 164 00:10:39,080 --> 00:10:43,799 be good for a dozen years uninterrupted potentially, just because the injury risk is 165 00:10:43,840 --> 00:10:46,240 lower. But like, if we're gonna start thinking about injuries, that's gonna 166 00:10:46,240 --> 00:10:48,799 make this much more complicated, right, And it's like, I mean, 167 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:52,799 well, I did think about injuries with respect to one player who I think 168 00:10:52,840 --> 00:10:54,480 when I did this exercise. It's kind of just like, wow, he 169 00:10:54,559 --> 00:10:58,679 really still is twenty three? Yeah, and I'm sure everyone knows what we're 170 00:10:58,720 --> 00:11:01,320 talking about now. I'm curious as too, so I guess we want to 171 00:11:01,360 --> 00:11:05,320 move on to number two. I think this I can't. It's just it's 172 00:11:05,320 --> 00:11:09,240 Wemby. I think he's going to be If I set the over under right 173 00:11:09,279 --> 00:11:16,519 now on Victor Weman Yama, all NBA teams at eleven o five, are 174 00:11:16,519 --> 00:11:22,559 you taking me? I would take the over. That's so many I guess 175 00:11:22,559 --> 00:11:30,080 I'd go under, just betting on health or betting against health. But I 176 00:11:30,120 --> 00:11:33,080 would feel terrible. I feel like a terrible person for doing that. He 177 00:11:33,200 --> 00:11:37,000 wasn't good. All right, you gotta pick make your you gotta pick number 178 00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:41,039 two here because I'm wondering if this is gonna surprise like this immediately got harder 179 00:11:41,080 --> 00:11:46,480 effort to Yama. For me, I am going with Anthony Edwards. I 180 00:11:46,519 --> 00:11:50,720 am just we can talk like the defensive disruption. He's gotten better on that 181 00:11:50,799 --> 00:11:56,159 end. He's come such a long way as an offensive player when you're looking 182 00:11:56,200 --> 00:12:00,879 at his playmaking ability, and then also he shot thirty eight plus percent on 183 00:12:00,960 --> 00:12:03,759 step back threes last year, so there's still gonna be some just junkie attempts 184 00:12:05,080 --> 00:12:07,320 when you're looking at what he does off the dribble, like he's eventually going 185 00:12:07,360 --> 00:12:09,679 to be probably one of them, I would think one of the most dangerous 186 00:12:09,679 --> 00:12:13,559 off the dribble. Shooters in the league. The rim pressure he could already 187 00:12:13,559 --> 00:12:16,600 put on throws the defense into chaos. And even if you don't trust just 188 00:12:18,120 --> 00:12:20,360 him being more than just this thirty six percent or whatever three point shooter, 189 00:12:20,519 --> 00:12:24,919 long term, he's gonna be fine. Like we've seen that he can hit 190 00:12:24,279 --> 00:12:28,200 the spot up jumper element and to know that this is someone I wouldn't predict 191 00:12:28,279 --> 00:12:31,720 it, but I think in any given season, this is someone that could 192 00:12:31,720 --> 00:12:35,879 just make an all defense team while also being the driving force of a really 193 00:12:35,879 --> 00:12:41,519 good offense. I'm honestly surprised. I guess when you're when you're talking about 194 00:12:41,519 --> 00:12:43,600 the immediacy of it, because we're doing this for the rest of their careers, 195 00:12:43,639 --> 00:12:48,759 and we've also weeded out players like Yokichen Yannis when you're talking about and 196 00:12:48,799 --> 00:12:52,000 we did this exercise for over the next five years for Bleacher Report, an 197 00:12:52,080 --> 00:12:56,240 Age was just thrown out of the equation. I feel like he gets he 198 00:12:56,360 --> 00:12:58,320 tumbles down that list because of some of the players that we know about, 199 00:12:58,720 --> 00:13:03,360 right really so. But I'm also just kind of wondering, why is he 200 00:13:03,399 --> 00:13:07,559 not being talked about as the second best building block in the NBA. Like, 201 00:13:07,600 --> 00:13:09,519 even if you go into under twenty five territory. All right, I 202 00:13:09,519 --> 00:13:15,159 guess Luca don Chich is still there, so I like it, does it 203 00:13:15,320 --> 00:13:18,720 feel like his and I know he just got the max extension. Does it 204 00:13:18,840 --> 00:13:24,720 feel like his mega stardom or potential for it has flown under the radar a 205 00:13:24,759 --> 00:13:30,000 little bit? Or am I just trying to romanticize my own my own genius? 206 00:13:30,320 --> 00:13:33,000 Well, first of all, that is the correct pick. That was 207 00:13:33,039 --> 00:13:35,080 the only other guy I considered taking first, and I did actually for a 208 00:13:35,080 --> 00:13:39,600 minute there think about should I just take this guy and begin I know he's 209 00:13:39,639 --> 00:13:43,039 gonna be good, I don't know. I don't know, Like I feel 210 00:13:43,039 --> 00:13:48,279 like he's probably thought of. He's not a he's not thought of on the 211 00:13:48,360 --> 00:13:52,360 Jannie Yokich, Luca whatever other whatever other guys we had in our top five 212 00:13:52,559 --> 00:13:56,879 level would be. But that's because like, as we're recording this, he's 213 00:13:56,919 --> 00:14:01,840 twenty one. He's for like three more days, but still like he's gonna 214 00:14:01,840 --> 00:14:03,480 be twenty. This is an age twenty two season coming up, And as 215 00:14:03,480 --> 00:14:07,639 I was comparing him to some other guys further down the list, it was 216 00:14:07,679 --> 00:14:09,799 just like, well, what was that guy doing in his age twenty one 217 00:14:09,799 --> 00:14:13,000 season? And almost across the board is like not what Edwards did last year. 218 00:14:13,120 --> 00:14:16,799 So just you get both with him because he's been an All Star, 219 00:14:16,120 --> 00:14:20,639 he's already proven to be a really good playoff, like level upper type of 220 00:14:20,679 --> 00:14:24,399 guy, and he's got the youth still, like he's on the younger side 221 00:14:24,399 --> 00:14:26,679 of most of the guys were gonna pick, So you kind of get it 222 00:14:26,759 --> 00:14:31,120 both ways with him. I think there's a good he's also the only other 223 00:14:31,159 --> 00:14:35,360 guy on this list, and I want to make sure I'm not maybe there's 224 00:14:35,399 --> 00:14:37,559 one or two others that you're like, Oh, in twenty twenty six, 225 00:14:37,679 --> 00:14:41,000 this guyon was MVP. It's like, well, ween, be sure, 226 00:14:41,159 --> 00:14:45,559 but Edwards is. I think if you had to pick another guy from this 227 00:14:45,600 --> 00:14:50,960 list, it'd probably be him. So upside established level of performance, we 228 00:14:50,080 --> 00:14:52,840 all care more about the playoffs in the regular season, or at least like 229 00:14:52,879 --> 00:14:58,000 that's increasingly how we're evaluating players. If you're if you care about like doing 230 00:14:58,000 --> 00:15:01,000 it right, I think in my opinion, so he's just like, he's 231 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:03,080 obviously the number two guy. I think I think there's a better argument for 232 00:15:03,120 --> 00:15:05,639 him as number one than there is for him falling to three. How about 233 00:15:05,639 --> 00:15:09,759 that? Oh? I like that? And also you mentioned this. When's 234 00:15:09,799 --> 00:15:13,320 the last time we just saw someone right away? It's just this good in 235 00:15:13,360 --> 00:15:16,799 the playoffs, Like he's just able to turn on I guess, Luca, 236 00:15:16,399 --> 00:15:18,559 is that like coming into the league and I'm trying to think of like the 237 00:15:18,639 --> 00:15:24,039 last player that was like that and Edwards is I'm dodging your question because I 238 00:15:24,039 --> 00:15:26,799 don't know who else to throw in that in that group. But like Edwards 239 00:15:26,879 --> 00:15:31,279 has the added bonus of, like you said, not only is he a 240 00:15:31,320 --> 00:15:33,960 guy that is scoring average goes up in the playoffs, he just is better. 241 00:15:35,279 --> 00:15:37,960 Like he's also the guy that, Okay, I don't know, we're 242 00:15:39,080 --> 00:15:41,399 playing the Celtics or whatever, it's like, go get Tatum, like you 243 00:15:41,639 --> 00:15:45,639 like Edwards is gonna be I mean, he has Jade McDaniels on his team, 244 00:15:45,720 --> 00:15:48,799 but he's I think capable of changing a game defensively too, which is 245 00:15:48,840 --> 00:15:52,639 like a wild thing for your your leading scorer and just the guy who's gonna 246 00:15:52,639 --> 00:15:56,159 be on the ball the most. So yeah, we love, we love 247 00:15:56,279 --> 00:15:58,320 Edwards. That's the correct pick. I hate this next pick because I have 248 00:15:58,399 --> 00:16:03,840 like four five guys in the same tier and because I had a just wemby 249 00:16:03,120 --> 00:16:07,840 Edwards and then it's like a mash of dudes. So I don't think there's 250 00:16:07,840 --> 00:16:11,480 any chance I'm going to take your guy and I'm gonna pick from three or 251 00:16:11,519 --> 00:16:15,320 four guys here. Please, dude, there's this way too early for challenge 252 00:16:15,360 --> 00:16:22,639 Williams, do not do it. I think I'm gonna take Scoot. I 253 00:16:22,679 --> 00:16:29,879 feel like that is controversial and cuts against my when I professed that I cared 254 00:16:29,919 --> 00:16:33,559 about established track record. I just think I think he's the best point guard 255 00:16:33,559 --> 00:16:37,519 prospect we've seen in the draft in a really long time, and I would 256 00:16:37,519 --> 00:16:41,840 include guys like Jaw and some other players that we've had really high in the 257 00:16:41,879 --> 00:16:47,720 lottery. I think I think he has a chance to be like Chris paul 258 00:16:47,879 --> 00:16:52,799 Ish with like way more athleticism and size and all that stuff, and so 259 00:16:52,919 --> 00:16:55,879 like, I just kind of want to get on board for that. So 260 00:16:56,279 --> 00:17:00,799 I again, there were like four other guys I like agonized over, but 261 00:17:00,840 --> 00:17:07,599 I think I'm going Scoop just because I don't really see one how he fails 262 00:17:07,680 --> 00:17:11,039 like athletically, and I don't see how he fails in terms of how he 263 00:17:11,160 --> 00:17:15,680 sees like the intellectual part of the game. So I just think I think 264 00:17:15,720 --> 00:17:18,599 his floor is really high. And then as I've already said I think his 265 00:17:18,720 --> 00:17:22,559 ceiling is like he's gonna be regarded as the best point guard prospect and like 266 00:17:22,640 --> 00:17:26,839 you just decide how many years it is a long time? Is that a 267 00:17:26,960 --> 00:17:30,960 ridiculous pick? Was he in the running for you? There? He was 268 00:17:30,039 --> 00:17:33,839 number five for me? So just like, yeah, I don't I'm I 269 00:17:33,880 --> 00:17:37,759 don't know why I'm like looing and eyeing. I just I feel like, 270 00:17:37,920 --> 00:17:41,279 you know what it is, guys, Grant just scouted the twenty twenty three 271 00:17:41,359 --> 00:17:42,759 drafts where he's just taking all of those guys because there's so fresh. But 272 00:17:45,680 --> 00:17:48,839 I just I came away. I watched I didn't watch his low in summer 273 00:17:48,880 --> 00:17:52,200 league performance live. I watched every single possession, so all like eight of 274 00:17:52,240 --> 00:17:55,160 them or whatever. I just came away. I was like, oh, 275 00:17:55,200 --> 00:17:57,640 holy fuck, Yeah like this, so I'm with you that he's going to 276 00:17:57,680 --> 00:18:02,839 be that transcendent. I thought it a little bit. You know, we 277 00:18:02,920 --> 00:18:04,240 need I want to know what he's going to be on defense. I want 278 00:18:04,279 --> 00:18:08,279 to know what the off the dribble jumper looks like. And because I believe 279 00:18:08,319 --> 00:18:12,960 wemen Yama just going to have that transcendent impact on the defensive and I wasn't 280 00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:17,519 able to put Scoot as high. But he was when I was making like 281 00:18:17,599 --> 00:18:21,599 the list for number two and even number three, anthy Edwards springing to mind 282 00:18:21,599 --> 00:18:23,640 immediately. I didn't give him. I will say I didn't consider Edwards over 283 00:18:23,720 --> 00:18:27,799 Wemby, but I considered like Henderson in that kind of same tier. And 284 00:18:29,039 --> 00:18:33,119 though I totally understand that pick, and I'm curious as to whether you know 285 00:18:33,119 --> 00:18:36,319 if we went back and revisited this in a year, the context of the 286 00:18:36,359 --> 00:18:37,640 Blazers, I think is gonna like, are we gonna be able to see 287 00:18:37,759 --> 00:18:41,519 him have full agency right away depending on what happens with the Dame stuff or 288 00:18:41,559 --> 00:18:45,720 even playing just with Simons and they're sharp is there and you want to see 289 00:18:45,720 --> 00:18:49,720 those two play together. So this might be a slower burn than some than 290 00:18:49,759 --> 00:18:55,079 a Wemby, But I firmly believe like this is a not just an all 291 00:18:55,200 --> 00:18:57,319 NBA type, like an MVP level type talent that the Blazers just got. 292 00:18:57,440 --> 00:19:00,839 Yeah, if he doesn't make all NBA teams, I mean, and we 293 00:19:00,839 --> 00:19:03,720 always talk about how stacked the guard position is, but like I think the 294 00:19:03,759 --> 00:19:07,960 expectations should be by like year three, he should be very much in the 295 00:19:07,039 --> 00:19:11,599 running for all NBA, and like even year two, we're like talking about 296 00:19:11,640 --> 00:19:14,440 him as a fringe All Star assuming the Blazers are any good. That's that's 297 00:19:14,440 --> 00:19:18,400 the other variable here is like depending on you know, they're they're a ways 298 00:19:18,440 --> 00:19:22,720 away if Dame is gone, and then you're like you're entrusting a ton of 299 00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:29,119 shot creation and running the offense responsibilities to like Scoot and Shade and Sharp who's 300 00:19:29,160 --> 00:19:33,039 like painfully young. Still there's just it maybe a while before the Blazers are 301 00:19:33,039 --> 00:19:37,359 good unless and this is like the Chris Paul effect right away when Chris Paul's 302 00:19:37,400 --> 00:19:38,200 on your team, no matter how young he is, like, oh you're 303 00:19:38,200 --> 00:19:41,720 good now, like the offense works. Scoot might be that guy we'll see 304 00:19:42,720 --> 00:19:48,319 For number four, I'm going to take the player who is in my number 305 00:19:48,519 --> 00:19:51,440 three spot, but I gave a lot of thought to this one. This 306 00:19:51,480 --> 00:19:55,880 one was tough. I'm going with Evan Mobley, who I had him as 307 00:19:55,960 --> 00:19:59,880 my Defensive Player of the Year pick this year, which runs counter two. 308 00:20:00,039 --> 00:20:03,960 I'm just gonna troll this person again because they've always been super condescending in our 309 00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:08,000 mentions, called me a careerist who just follows the pack with my opinions, 310 00:20:10,319 --> 00:20:15,680 while complimenting someone else, like they called Adam frommel the co host basically, 311 00:20:15,720 --> 00:20:18,119 which is I know they listen because they've complimented the podcast too before, but 312 00:20:18,160 --> 00:20:22,200 they call me a careerist, just so condescending. Stop listening. We don't 313 00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:26,119 we don't need you here if like you're gonna approach it with that condescension and 314 00:20:26,160 --> 00:20:30,599 you're not the arbiter of like what just because any analytic that makes James Harden 315 00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:36,640 look good you view as gospel. That's my little rant right there. It's 316 00:20:36,680 --> 00:20:41,119 there on defense, and I know that the Calves have had some trouble with 317 00:20:41,160 --> 00:20:44,160 lineups when it comes to rebounding. When he is the five, I don't 318 00:20:44,160 --> 00:20:47,960 think he one needs to be your five, But I also think the context 319 00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:51,079 of his role can change if you also don't need him to be like your 320 00:20:51,119 --> 00:20:53,720 best wing defender, because having Jared down behind you one, you want those 321 00:20:53,720 --> 00:20:56,920 two to play together, You're gonna float more around the perimeter. He's still, 322 00:20:57,160 --> 00:21:00,319 by the metrics, going to be one of the most value well rim 323 00:21:00,319 --> 00:21:03,960 protectors in the league. And that's all that is not being his primary responsibility. 324 00:21:03,279 --> 00:21:07,319 I'm so sold on the defense. The offense, it does take more 325 00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:11,920 vision they're not working with the They weren't working with the best base in Cleveland 326 00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:15,720 last year. He has two ball dominant guards. There's the whole. They're 327 00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:18,559 not trying to occupy the same space, but like they want to finish from 328 00:21:18,559 --> 00:21:22,359 the same places for Mobile and Jared Allen. But when I look at what 329 00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:26,079 he could do if you gave him touches from the elbows or above the keys, 330 00:21:26,079 --> 00:21:30,680 from those standstills like he has, it's not just oh, he can 331 00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:33,960 spot guys who are moving around and dime them up. It's no. He 332 00:21:34,319 --> 00:21:37,480 could put the ball on the floor and he might not have like the methodical 333 00:21:37,519 --> 00:21:41,279 control that a lot of other guys do, but he can make things happen 334 00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:45,119 from those standstill positions. I'm more sold on the two, and I think 335 00:21:45,279 --> 00:21:48,119 they need to do a better job of getting to this is. Let's ramp 336 00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:52,079 up the pace, have him do a bunch of grab and ghost stuff in 337 00:21:52,079 --> 00:21:53,759 the vein of a let's say Bam out of Baio or even a Janis Attenta 338 00:21:53,799 --> 00:21:57,640 Kompo, and he can do all that. And so it comes down to 339 00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:02,759 do you think what would be the absence of do you trust him developing a 340 00:22:02,759 --> 00:22:07,240 mid range jumper or set three pointer. I honestly don't know. I just 341 00:22:07,279 --> 00:22:11,160 don't think he needs one to be so absolutely dominant. And the fact that 342 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:18,799 I already felt comfortable enough calling him my defensive player of the Year, it 343 00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:21,759 was just like, how do I not put him? He was number three 344 00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:25,599 on my board? And that's the offensive concerns. I get it, but 345 00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:29,920 I feel like we have to imagine as part of this exercise for me, 346 00:22:30,279 --> 00:22:33,359 Okay, well, what would he look like if he had more agency, 347 00:22:33,759 --> 00:22:37,599 more runway within the offense. And I think that there's a chance that he 348 00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:41,759 can be not as impactfully is on defense, but like a similar like he 349 00:22:41,799 --> 00:22:45,160 can be an offensive star, is what I would say. It's interesting I 350 00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:47,440 had him, I had Mobile high. I love Mobile. He was not 351 00:22:47,519 --> 00:22:51,240 quite as high as you, I think because you're asking, well, as 352 00:22:51,279 --> 00:22:55,599 Anthony Edwards, someone that we maybe don't like rightfully put in a high enough 353 00:22:55,640 --> 00:23:00,160 tier. I think I think that really applies to Mobile because and that's why 354 00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:03,319 this upcoming season for him, he's gonna be one of my most I'm gonna 355 00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:07,200 be most interested in what this year brings for him because the most recent memory 356 00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:11,359 of him is really kind of one of failure, right because like he did 357 00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:15,160 have and like that's fine at this age. You can't be great at everything. 358 00:23:15,519 --> 00:23:18,880 But I think the takeaway from that Nick series is like, oh, 359 00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:22,279 this guy has like a couple of things that are pretty important to you know, 360 00:23:22,319 --> 00:23:26,799 maximizing his value that he's not that great at yet. And you know 361 00:23:26,799 --> 00:23:29,039 it's a small sample, it's the playoffs, but like that's kind of what 362 00:23:29,079 --> 00:23:32,079 the postseason is for, is to show guys like, here's where you gotta 363 00:23:32,599 --> 00:23:34,720 maybe supplement your game a little bit. And for Mobile, like there can 364 00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:38,359 be no question what he needs to improve on. And so I'm fascinated if 365 00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:44,279 we see just you know, he shows up in October and he can you 366 00:23:44,279 --> 00:23:47,039 know, he can finish through contact a little better, he can make like 367 00:23:47,079 --> 00:23:51,119 a split second quicker decisions as a role guy, or just like or just 368 00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:53,000 like, god forbid, if this guy, you know, becomes a semi 369 00:23:53,079 --> 00:23:57,880 reliable three point shooter, then it's like it's over. Like so that's all 370 00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:04,319 to say. I think he is like uniquely positioned to prove all the hype 371 00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:08,960 coming across the last two years about this guy's potentially Kevin Garnett, you know 372 00:24:10,079 --> 00:24:12,319 that kind of thing like this to me coming This year coming up is the 373 00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:15,640 year where we'll see, right, I think, or we'll get a really 374 00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:21,359 good idea of of is he able to sort of address you know what he 375 00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:23,640 doesn't do well because others. But and if he doesn't, he's still a 376 00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:26,680 guy that's going to be defensive Player of the Year candidate every year for ten 377 00:24:26,759 --> 00:24:33,440 years basically, So it's solid pick. I still am in this cluster of 378 00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:37,119 guys. I'm gonna go the complete opposite direction because Scoot was a very unsafe 379 00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:44,279 pick for me as my second player. I'm gonna take Tyrese Haliburton. I 380 00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:47,039 doubt very much that you had him this high. There are all the point 381 00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:51,200 guards. He was four. It was between him and Mobli for three is 382 00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:52,680 what I was struggling with that he's four. For me, we have way 383 00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:56,920 too much group think between the two of us. Uh, we're careerists. 384 00:24:56,160 --> 00:25:00,599 Want us we're careerists. But you know, I still I don't know how 385 00:25:00,599 --> 00:25:03,519 many times I included it in an article I wrote this year talking about Haliburton, 386 00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:11,000 But just the twenty percent from three, it's just like basically unprecedented. 387 00:25:11,039 --> 00:25:15,599 I think it was unprecedented in NBA history, especially if you for a guy 388 00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:18,759 as young as him. He's just like he's a great shooter, he's a 389 00:25:18,799 --> 00:25:23,640 great decision maker. He understands how to make people better. He's really young. 390 00:25:23,799 --> 00:25:27,680 I think he's in a position to succeed with this Pacers team specifically and 391 00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:33,319 how they play. So it's kind of a boring pick, I guess because 392 00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:34,680 of some of the guys that are still on the board. But I just 393 00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:38,319 feel like Haliburton is is as good of a young point guard as there is 394 00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:41,319 in the league right now, and I don't think he's anywhere close to topping 395 00:25:41,319 --> 00:25:48,319 out. I still think people don't appreciate him as a shot creator and maker, 396 00:25:48,839 --> 00:25:52,240 where they might view him as this fantastic passer. And it's does he 397 00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:56,640 have the ability to generate his old looks at multiple levels in the vein of 398 00:25:56,400 --> 00:26:00,759 all these other elite players that you would pick before more he about you know, 399 00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:04,279 a scoot or thinking about a even just like having the ability to like 400 00:26:04,319 --> 00:26:07,599 a Steph Curry, Like you know, he's not the same ball handler, 401 00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:11,079 but like is he that type of a score? And the answer is just 402 00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:14,559 yes to me, And so he still feels not that he's flown under the 403 00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:18,880 radar, But I still don't think that people understand how high end his ceiling 404 00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:22,480 is. To where should he be mentioned in the same breath as Evan Mobley 405 00:26:22,559 --> 00:26:27,559 And then the answer is absolutely he should be. I think this is there's 406 00:26:27,559 --> 00:26:33,200 no way to mention, like measure this accurately. But he's probably like has 407 00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:37,119 the highest basketball IQ of anybody that we're gonna think about here, Like I 408 00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:41,839 think just in terms of like to your point, he's not someone that is 409 00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:45,440 not like an A plus running jump athlete, but he gets the spots, 410 00:26:45,519 --> 00:26:49,400 and he when he is in those spots, he understands like the decision tree. 411 00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:55,119 I think he reads the decision tree of offensive basketball like faster than probably 412 00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:57,759 anybody else we're going to talk about, which is hard to measure, but 413 00:26:57,839 --> 00:27:02,359 I don't know whatever Pacers fans are here, like, please testify to this, 414 00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:06,079 because he just understands where the ball needs to go and win it needs 415 00:27:06,079 --> 00:27:10,200 to get there. And that's just a pretty singular skill for especially for a 416 00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:12,880 guy as young as he is. Where do you land on kind of him 417 00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:18,920 defensively, like did that factor in it all? For you? Better off 418 00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:23,440 the ball than on it, which which I don't know that he has, 419 00:27:23,519 --> 00:27:29,240 Like the frame to really be a great on ball defender. I think he's 420 00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:32,359 going to be someone that as the years go by, he'll just be a 421 00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:37,599 right place, right time type of guy that does reasonably well with his physical 422 00:27:37,599 --> 00:27:41,279 tools to like, you know, maybe we'll get to a point where he's 423 00:27:41,319 --> 00:27:44,559 not getting pick and roll to death and just forced into the action. Although, 424 00:27:44,599 --> 00:27:47,960 like, because of his offensive responsibilities, is probably smart for teams to 425 00:27:48,039 --> 00:27:51,240 just try to tire him out that way. I think he's going to top 426 00:27:51,279 --> 00:27:56,119 out as like he's not gonna kill you, And I think if he's passable, 427 00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:57,839 if he gets to like us, you know, Steph Curry was always 428 00:27:57,839 --> 00:28:02,200 picked on forever, and I think Steph Curry is a perfectly adequate defender now. 429 00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:04,920 And I think, you know, Haliburton probably has pretty similar you know, 430 00:28:06,079 --> 00:28:08,480 run jump, lateral speed tools to Curry, but he's longer. So 431 00:28:08,599 --> 00:28:12,599 I think I think you could get to a point where the offense is phenomenal 432 00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:18,160 and the defense is something that does not get like relentlessly targeted or at least 433 00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:21,720 not targeted effectively. So but I did have that thought. But the other 434 00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:25,480 guys I was thinking about, especially Backcork guys, are also mostly bad defenders, 435 00:28:25,519 --> 00:28:29,720 so that made this pick a little easier. So that brings me to 436 00:28:29,759 --> 00:28:33,759 when are we up to number six? So I took and I'm curious where 437 00:28:33,799 --> 00:28:37,279 you had this player. I'm rulling with Palo ben Caro at number six, 438 00:28:37,519 --> 00:28:41,000 did not have him that high. He is to me, I think one, 439 00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:45,640 let's start with him. I think it's perceived weaknesses would be the shooting. 440 00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:48,359 In the defense. He was just not a liability on defense last year. 441 00:28:48,359 --> 00:28:51,279 Maybe that's part of the magic infrastructure. But like he's going to be 442 00:28:51,359 --> 00:28:53,680 just more I think switchy than people could. I don't know if he's ever 443 00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:57,519 going to be a you know, an imposing rim protector or someone who you 444 00:28:57,559 --> 00:29:00,720 want like going in you know, being on a complete island, but like 445 00:29:00,759 --> 00:29:04,000 you can move him around as part of a team scheme to where no, 446 00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:07,599 he's not on the lowest usage player, maybe he's on the third, like 447 00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:11,880 the third best player on the team. Like that's like that's great. And 448 00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:14,039 the fact that he could do it against No, it doesn't have to be 449 00:29:14,119 --> 00:29:17,400 like kind of a pure big type guy, a slower guy. I think 450 00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:19,519 that's big. And then the shooting, I just believe in it, like 451 00:29:19,599 --> 00:29:23,160 there is I think it's gonna be quicker. He went through stretches last year 452 00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:26,519 and there were pockets where he actually shot not on high volume, but really 453 00:29:26,559 --> 00:29:30,839 well from three and the fact that he's comfortable like getting to his spots from 454 00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:34,079 the in between range. What it comes down to for me is one, 455 00:29:34,359 --> 00:29:38,799 I see the outline of what's going to be a terrific passer and to be 456 00:29:40,359 --> 00:29:45,200 as a rookie. He had an assist rate over seventeen and a turnover rate 457 00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:48,920 of under thirteen, which is just like it was around league average turnover rate. 458 00:29:49,039 --> 00:29:52,839 That's great for a rookie. Had so much as usage was over twenty 459 00:29:52,839 --> 00:29:56,079 five, that's huge. And then as a score, just the ability to 460 00:29:56,079 --> 00:30:00,119 get to the basket, to kind of bully his way there, to play 461 00:30:00,119 --> 00:30:03,039 with the combination of force and finess. I'm getting to the line. I 462 00:30:03,079 --> 00:30:07,240 mean, if you look at all rookies who have scored more than twenty five 463 00:30:07,279 --> 00:30:12,279 points per one hundred possessions while playing over fifteen hundred minutes and then sort them 464 00:30:12,279 --> 00:30:17,640 by free throw attempts, there's David Robinson, Shack, Blake, Griffin, 465 00:30:17,799 --> 00:30:22,319 Alonzo, Morning Michael Jordan, John Drew, and then Padalo ban Caro, 466 00:30:22,599 --> 00:30:29,079 who's just ahead of Lu Luka don Chich and like, that's really fantastic company 467 00:30:29,319 --> 00:30:33,079 as just as a rookie to be able to like have that many free throw 468 00:30:33,079 --> 00:30:37,440 attempts. I think it'll be interesting to see how he adjusting year two where 469 00:30:37,839 --> 00:30:40,440 who I don't know if you saw who recently said I think it was Tyrese 470 00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:44,680 Haliberton, actually who you just picked said that year two is different because you 471 00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:47,480 think you're gonna make all this progress, but teams have more film on you, 472 00:30:47,759 --> 00:30:49,079 and so I'm very interesting to see what he adds to his game. 473 00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:52,680 But I look at this guy and the player who I have on my board 474 00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:56,519 after him, and a couple of players like I would have. I thought, 475 00:30:56,640 --> 00:31:00,359 had you asked me like leading into last year, there was no way 476 00:31:00,359 --> 00:31:03,279 that he would have usurped any of them. And it's just I came away 477 00:31:03,359 --> 00:31:07,119 last year completely sold on Palo Bean Caro's entire package. And is this me 478 00:31:07,319 --> 00:31:10,640 not having seen let's say, Kay cunning Ham played in a while, Is 479 00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:14,920 there that effect? Okay? Maybe like there is, you know, I'm 480 00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:17,000 a lot of this too, is like, okay, he had fifty three 481 00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:19,079 true shooting as a rookie. I just I don't care when you're in the 482 00:31:19,119 --> 00:31:22,680 first like two years of your career as much as I do if you're in 483 00:31:22,799 --> 00:31:26,720 year four and it's a problem, and just the ability he's shown on offense, 484 00:31:26,799 --> 00:31:30,319 I think this is someone who's absolutely going to be like a multi time 485 00:31:30,359 --> 00:31:33,839 All NBA guy. Yeah, I think I did have Ben Carroll pretty high 486 00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:37,559 too. I had like one or two more guys I was going to think 487 00:31:37,559 --> 00:31:41,160 about ahead of him. But I think if you're coming at it from the 488 00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:44,480 perspective of because there are a lot of these guys that are going to be 489 00:31:44,559 --> 00:31:47,519 All Stars, they're all very good starters, some of them already. But 490 00:31:47,559 --> 00:31:52,880 Ben Carroll I think probably is on that list of like his ceiling as like 491 00:31:52,279 --> 00:31:56,119 the most important kind of player you can have, which is a primary shot 492 00:31:56,160 --> 00:32:00,759 creator who can score and compromise as a defense, as like a big wing. 493 00:32:01,039 --> 00:32:04,920 Like they're just like that's the thing that you want, right that is 494 00:32:05,039 --> 00:32:08,839 that is the most prized possession in NBA basketball. And he's kind of the 495 00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:14,759 only guy for a long while here that you could even really say like he 496 00:32:14,799 --> 00:32:17,119 has a decent chance of becoming that. So I want to ask you, 497 00:32:17,279 --> 00:32:22,480 because I have a hard time kind of envisioning like what the best version of 498 00:32:22,559 --> 00:32:27,480 him looks like, is it like a more physical Jason Tatum? Is that 499 00:32:27,559 --> 00:32:30,319 like two oversimplified of you know what I mean? Just like imagine ban Caro 500 00:32:30,519 --> 00:32:36,000 maximizes, like what type of player because Tatum the knock was has long been 501 00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:39,240 you know, his finishing package has developed but was never a strength and like 502 00:32:39,319 --> 00:32:44,599 he doesn't really have a lot of craft around the basket. Ban Carro definitely 503 00:32:44,599 --> 00:32:46,599 has that stuff. He doesn't have the like I'm creating a pull up three 504 00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:51,839 out of nothing that Tatum does, but yeah, that's hard. The one 505 00:32:51,839 --> 00:32:57,119 I gravitate towards a lot is just like a less explosive Blake Griffin who's better 506 00:32:57,200 --> 00:33:00,359 on defense, and like, if he can get the level on his jumper 507 00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:04,200 that Blake got to it, his absolute apex ends up being a huge deal. 508 00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:06,160 But I don't know if I'm just viewing too much as I see them 509 00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:08,920 as similar size and build, where Blake was definitely more chiseled. But we'll 510 00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:13,480 see, how you know, pallet, they have like a similar strength profile, 511 00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:15,720 it feels like, but I mean, like if you're looking at a 512 00:33:15,759 --> 00:33:21,000 more physical, maybe interior Jason Tatum, like you're in pretty good shape. 513 00:33:21,039 --> 00:33:23,880 I would be curious because I'm higher on Paalo Ben Carroll's defense. I don't 514 00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:28,839 think he has that level of like Jayson Tatum, but offense specifically, that's 515 00:33:28,839 --> 00:33:32,039 an interesting comp Yeah, okay, do you want to how we need to 516 00:33:32,119 --> 00:33:36,599 one banner pace? We'll need to beat it up. But this is terrible. 517 00:33:36,599 --> 00:33:39,200 I guess it's a good or terrible podcasting that you're like, we're six 518 00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:44,119 picks in and the three picks that you have are all in my top six. 519 00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:46,039 It's like my top six guys are just off the board. Now. 520 00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:50,640 Well, I mean it'll I think it's gonna get pretty messy here as we 521 00:33:50,799 --> 00:33:53,359 get further down the list, hopefully. Just for the record, I had 522 00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:59,720 Mobili at eight, but in a tier with like all these guys I'm still 523 00:34:00,079 --> 00:34:04,799 considering, So I'm still in my same stupid tier and bank Hara was like 524 00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:07,239 nine, I think, and in a new tier. Okay, are you're 525 00:34:07,239 --> 00:34:12,400 taking like Jalen Williams is like four or something like? What is happening here? 526 00:34:12,679 --> 00:34:17,320 He might he might be in the next tier. I'm gonna take Jaw 527 00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:25,960 and I feel really uneasy about it. I still just think I'm buying low 528 00:34:27,199 --> 00:34:31,519 one and I'm taking him over somebody else in his draft class that I'm sure 529 00:34:31,639 --> 00:34:38,079 you had higher. I think Jaw still if he gets the like whole, 530 00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:45,440 like actual life side of being a professional athlete in order. The athletic talent 531 00:34:45,519 --> 00:34:51,280 is like undeniable. He's been on highly successful teams that have not made it 532 00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:53,639 as far as you would hope in the playoffs at a really young age. 533 00:34:55,239 --> 00:35:00,800 I think it's not It wasn't that long ago. You know, the first 534 00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:06,000 month, six weeks of twenty two twenty three where his three was falling and 535 00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:08,280 it was like, well, this is a top five MVP player. That 536 00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:14,480 was the conversation at the time. The shot is we'll see I think mechanically, 537 00:35:14,519 --> 00:35:16,599 I don't know if I believe it's ever gonna be. You have to 538 00:35:16,679 --> 00:35:20,280 be all the way out on jow because he's gonna make thirty eight percent of 539 00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:23,360 like eight attempts a game. I doubt it. I think as long as 540 00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:28,159 his athleticism holds up, which I think is believable, you know, for 541 00:35:28,199 --> 00:35:31,400 three, four or five more years, I think he could potentially be all 542 00:35:31,519 --> 00:35:36,880 NBA. I just love a lead ball handler that can just break the defense, 543 00:35:37,039 --> 00:35:40,840 and he's that. And I there's another guard that is way safer that 544 00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:45,480 I did not take over him that is still on the board. But I 545 00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:49,360 wanted I just I couldn't. I couldn't look at the name there and not 546 00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:52,559 pick him. You didn't have job this high. I could tell by your 547 00:35:52,559 --> 00:36:00,400 face. Yeah, I'm like wow. I just so I wanted him so 548 00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:04,079 badly to be twenty four because he's about the third twenty four to a few 549 00:36:04,159 --> 00:36:07,719 days I had him thirteen, So it wasn't like incredibly low seven versus he's 550 00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:15,480 going seven versus where did you have him on your board specifically five? So 551 00:36:15,519 --> 00:36:17,639 it's like there's a I just I don't know when we're talking about the rest 552 00:36:17,679 --> 00:36:21,760 of the career, I haven't seen anything that makes me think his game is 553 00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:25,079 going to age super well. No, it's not, it's definitely not. 554 00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:30,679 I'm just and like you said, like we saw the three point shot fall 555 00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:35,320 for a little bit, but I don't know, just is he gonna be 556 00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:37,480 able to get to his floater, let's say, if he doesn't have the 557 00:36:37,519 --> 00:36:42,360 same odd ball juice as he gets older, and so that would be like 558 00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:45,880 my main question with him, in addition to the the off court stuff you 559 00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:46,960 have to factor in as well. But the talent. The talent right now 560 00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:52,119 is unquestionable for sure. I mean he's made an All NBA team. I 561 00:36:52,159 --> 00:36:54,000 forgot about that. I mean not last year, but the year before. 562 00:36:54,559 --> 00:36:59,599 No, I mean I acknowledge all the risks. I definitely this is a 563 00:36:59,679 --> 00:37:05,360 pure another upside play. I think even though like there's yeah, the red 564 00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:08,360 flags are all over the place. But did you take the safe point guard 565 00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:13,079 that I did not take with your next pick? No? I took the 566 00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:15,079 well I guess is he could be consider a point guard. I'm swinging for 567 00:37:15,119 --> 00:37:22,559 the fences here and we're going with Zion Williamson. The rest of his career 568 00:37:22,639 --> 00:37:27,320 is is terrifying. I want to make that clear. We just watched him 569 00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:30,559 be a top ten player in the league for what was the best or second 570 00:37:30,599 --> 00:37:32,360 best team in the West, the Pelicans, at the second best point differential 571 00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:37,159 in the West. To close out twenty twenty two, you put the ball 572 00:37:37,159 --> 00:37:39,840 in his hands. It doesn't matter that he's like kind of a one level 573 00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:44,519 score. He's just going to make things happen. He's improved his passing. 574 00:37:44,559 --> 00:37:46,880 I thought his defense got a little bit better before he was injured. The 575 00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:52,199 entire point of this thing is to find the guy who could be the best 576 00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:55,119 player on a championship team. To find the guy who can just be a 577 00:37:55,199 --> 00:38:00,039 top ten, top five player at their absolute peak, I will roll the 578 00:38:00,079 --> 00:38:02,599 dice on his health. And I thought about, like, you know, 579 00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:07,960 having Kaid Cunningham here as like, because I mean I remained very high on 580 00:38:07,079 --> 00:38:10,039 Kaide. But my other thing is just like, well, kid Cunningham asked 581 00:38:10,039 --> 00:38:13,719 that, like you had the best availability to start his career, and so 582 00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:17,280 at least we have the track record of Okay, Zion is this dominant force, 583 00:38:17,599 --> 00:38:22,199 and it's like what if Shack had wheels basically, and like, no, 584 00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:24,760 he's not the defensive player Shack was, but like offensively my god. 585 00:38:25,159 --> 00:38:30,000 And so to Kake in the fact that he should get better, he's twenty 586 00:38:30,079 --> 00:38:35,480 three, Like, it's not this is not the the peak. It's certainly 587 00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:38,039 not the peak of his availability. Hopefully this pick has if we go through 588 00:38:38,079 --> 00:38:43,400 another season where he appears in like twenty nine games or thirty four games or 589 00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:45,960 something stupid, this it probably it might look bad to some people. Now, 590 00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:47,960 I don't know where you had him on your board, but the talent 591 00:38:49,079 --> 00:38:52,400 is just like you can't question it, Like it's it's more proven than me 592 00:38:52,559 --> 00:38:57,239 go I went with Mobili at three. The Zion dominance relative to the rest 593 00:38:57,239 --> 00:39:04,239 of the league is more proven than that. I just I think I'll acknowledge 594 00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:07,039 that, like, there is absolutely the possibility that he just does for a 595 00:39:07,079 --> 00:39:12,320 full year what he's done in his abbreviated stints, and then he probably should 596 00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:15,639 be number two or three or something in this in this redraft if that were 597 00:39:15,679 --> 00:39:20,760 to happen to me, I actually think it's more likely that in terms like 598 00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:24,039 would let me ask you this, would you agree that as much or maybe 599 00:39:24,079 --> 00:39:28,000 more than anyone on this list, you probably would throw Jaw in there. 600 00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:34,440 He is dependent on athleticism to be successful, right, I mean I think, 601 00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:37,280 I think, I mean, if you disagree, I think you know, 602 00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:39,920 I'm open to it. But I just think, and I also think 603 00:39:40,039 --> 00:39:44,760 we've seen the best of Zion the athlete, and it was like at Duke, 604 00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:50,639 and it has gotten worse progressively. So that that as much as the 605 00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:55,159 chronic unavailability, which is related obviously because it's health and you know, injury 606 00:39:55,360 --> 00:40:00,440 stuff, that was what made him feel too risky for me, is like, 607 00:40:00,519 --> 00:40:02,320 not only is there he might play twenty five games a season, and 608 00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:08,559 definitely there's also the like if he just isn't as quick or as able to 609 00:40:08,559 --> 00:40:13,239 elevate, he just is a different player, Like it becomes a lot. 610 00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:16,159 So I don't know if that's gonna happen. I think there's a good chance 611 00:40:16,159 --> 00:40:22,239 that like athletically, he just isn't gonna be as good as he was as 612 00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:24,840 a college player or as a rookie. Like I just kind of feel like 613 00:40:25,199 --> 00:40:28,679 if I don't know, just you watch him. Even when he was really 614 00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:31,400 great, he still wasn't the same as as he was in college, just 615 00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:36,280 athletically, I'm talking running, jumping. But it's that good that he's less 616 00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:38,480 athletic and still so dominant. Well maybe, yeah, I don't know. 617 00:40:38,679 --> 00:40:42,280 Anyway, that's what gave me pause. I think, and look, that's 618 00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:45,760 fair, and it might point to an inconsistency and just how I view him 619 00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:47,960 versus job because I daw thirteen. I think he ended up. I actually 620 00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:51,880 made him. He jumped a shark. I had him at number eight, 621 00:40:52,159 --> 00:40:54,360 but I'm taking him like there's one person who I had in front of him, 622 00:40:54,559 --> 00:40:57,800 but I actually just decided to take him over. Now, Yeah, 623 00:40:58,039 --> 00:41:00,039 so he picked with your heart. Yeah, And I just think, look, 624 00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:05,239 I think that's a fair criticism. I'm just we're talking about the rest 625 00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:07,039 of their careers. But if you like told me that you could have the 626 00:41:07,079 --> 00:41:12,239 rest of Zion's prime versus the rest of John Morant's prime, I'm going to 627 00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:15,119 take Zion over that. I think the criticism might be, well, should 628 00:41:15,159 --> 00:41:17,800 you be taking him before some of these other players that were about to get 629 00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:21,400 into Yeah? Right. I think for both of those guys, like, 630 00:41:21,559 --> 00:41:23,800 it's not like Jaws like immune. I mean, John misses tons of time 631 00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:29,400 every year, and it's not always for like off court stuff. My boring 632 00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:30,920 point guard is still there. I'm not going to take him because even though 633 00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:35,719 he's the highest guy left on my list, I'm gonna take Jaren Jackson Junior 634 00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:38,119 and just squeak this in under the wire because he has like forty more days 635 00:41:38,119 --> 00:41:43,519 as a twenty three year old. I actually had him a spot ahead of 636 00:41:43,519 --> 00:41:47,559 Evan Mobile because Jaren Jackson Junior has one defensive player of the Year. I 637 00:41:47,599 --> 00:41:51,880 don't know how justified that was, but it matters. That's on the board 638 00:41:52,079 --> 00:41:59,199 ref home cooking with blocks. Yeah, how dare you? I think the 639 00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:05,119 difference for me is like if you were the things you hope Evan Mobley ends 640 00:42:05,199 --> 00:42:07,360 up being able to do or at least a few of them. On offense, 641 00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:09,360 Jackson already does. He shot thirty five percent on pretty good volume from 642 00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:13,079 three last year, and that's just like a cheat code because and he can 643 00:42:13,159 --> 00:42:15,599 run. He's like not just a stand sill guy. You they run him 644 00:42:15,599 --> 00:42:19,480 off screen sometimes. So the defensive value to me, like fled the league 645 00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:22,079 in blocks per game two years in a row. Just an elite interior defender 646 00:42:22,119 --> 00:42:28,119 who can move. And if he can continue to like not alternate good and 647 00:42:28,159 --> 00:42:31,760 bad shooting years and just be someone that hits thirty hits league average on decent 648 00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:37,960 volume from three, I think that's just like that's such a unique that is 649 00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:42,599 a unique player. So I love the defense. I can't take another tiny 650 00:42:42,639 --> 00:42:45,039 guard because I have a bunch already. I know, I know, I 651 00:42:45,079 --> 00:42:49,079 know, I just from my own enjoyment of this draft. I can't have 652 00:42:49,119 --> 00:42:51,840 like six point guards. That's boring. I know, I know we're not 653 00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:54,400 going to play a real game with these teams. I was surprised. I 654 00:42:54,440 --> 00:43:00,239 guess I'm not surprised that he lasted because you took Mobiley totally justifiable. But 655 00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:01,840 I love Jaren Jackson. So now I have I have forty percent of the 656 00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:06,960 Grizzlies starting five. I don't feel great about it. Yeah, I'm laughing 657 00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:09,320 at the like valuating this through, Well, it makes sense you didn't take 658 00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:15,239 triple Jay because you have Evan Moobia. That's I just don't know what, 659 00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:22,119 like how sustainable is his offensive peak and like how dependent is he long term 660 00:43:22,119 --> 00:43:24,320 on like everyone else? And I think we saw flashes and maybe extended pockets 661 00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:28,280 this year where where he wasn't and he has some of the health issues. 662 00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:30,559 But again this is coming from someone who picks I on the defensive values just 663 00:43:31,639 --> 00:43:36,079 it's spoken for, like even the three point percentage when it slumps, the 664 00:43:36,119 --> 00:43:37,599 volume is huge. And so I actually had him number eleven. It's like 665 00:43:37,599 --> 00:43:43,639 we're not that far off ninth pick. This was number nine yea, so 666 00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:47,920 it's reasonable. I'm so I'm in an interesting spot at number ten because like 667 00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:53,039 I feel like, do I go with my what is the safe pick? 668 00:43:53,599 --> 00:43:58,639 Or do I swing here? And I think I'm gonna swing. I want 669 00:43:58,639 --> 00:44:00,559 to be true to my brand and someone that I would have taken with the 670 00:44:00,639 --> 00:44:04,000 last pick if I held drew to my board, which I didn't. I'm 671 00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:08,800 going kid cutting him the efficiency has not caught up to yes aesthetics. He 672 00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:13,039 was injured for most of last season, but I think we kind of forgot, 673 00:44:13,039 --> 00:44:15,519 like how good he was as a rookie, just the look and feel 674 00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:19,519 of him, and now that this team can give him. I know there's 675 00:44:19,559 --> 00:44:22,599 some complications with Jay and Ivy and a star Thompson there, like you can 676 00:44:22,639 --> 00:44:27,639 between Babodanovitch and Alec Burks, and now Monte Morris is there, Joe Harris 677 00:44:27,679 --> 00:44:30,440 is there. You could really build some heavy space spacing lineups if you say, 678 00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:34,920 hey, Thompson and Ivy are on the bench cutting him during three shooters. 679 00:44:35,199 --> 00:44:37,000 I think that's when we'll really get to see what he's made of. 680 00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:40,760 There is a real intuition when he has the ball in his hands and he's 681 00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:45,159 able to set up for his teammates. I believe that the jumper, the 682 00:44:45,199 --> 00:44:47,400 efficiency on offense is going to come along when you look at kind of the 683 00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:52,559 form and again just the equal librium with which he operates on ball, and 684 00:44:52,639 --> 00:44:55,119 I think this is something that's just gonna hit. Looks off the ball like 685 00:44:55,119 --> 00:44:58,000 you need him to have a set three. Okay, maybe he's never like 686 00:44:58,079 --> 00:45:00,280 a pull up jump shooter. Fine, he doesn't need to be. And 687 00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:05,239 I kind of feel like the conversation with him, a lot of times you 688 00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:08,119 talk about like how valuable these bigger point guards are. Kake Cunningham is that 689 00:45:08,199 --> 00:45:14,000 dude, like the six eight point guard who could run your entire offense and 690 00:45:14,039 --> 00:45:17,199 who quite frankly, you know everyone was This is not to compare the two. 691 00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:21,840 He's only starting out in his career, but everyone's excited about the Anthony 692 00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:22,960 Black experience for what he could do. And it's like, well, Kate 693 00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:28,239 Cunningham is not as poor of a like a non level, non multi level 694 00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:31,400 score as as Anthony Black really is at this stage in his career. And 695 00:45:31,559 --> 00:45:36,559 just like, yeah, he doesn't stand out on defense when you look at 696 00:45:36,599 --> 00:45:37,800 who he's matched up against and what he's gonna do on the ball, But 697 00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:40,880 just like, this is not Luca don Che either, and like Lucy Donte 698 00:45:42,039 --> 00:45:45,360 isn't always going to be the worst defensive liability because of his size, and 699 00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:50,079 like Kate Cunningham is way more mobile and more malleable on the defensive end. 700 00:45:50,119 --> 00:45:52,679 And so I don't know what your and that's what I want to ask you, 701 00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:55,039 is like, what is your biggest concern with him? That would I 702 00:45:55,039 --> 00:45:59,400 don't know where you had him, but that would have you displace him from 703 00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:04,119 this spot. I'm taking a swing here because I believe in the aesthetics of 704 00:46:04,159 --> 00:46:06,840 his game that we saw really as a rookie, because we didn't really see 705 00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:09,039 him as a sophomore. Yeah, I have I had him thirteen, so 706 00:46:09,199 --> 00:46:12,920 and you took him ten. I think so very much. And he's in 707 00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:15,679 the same tier as like three other guys. Do you wonder where I had 708 00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:20,199 him initially? Where initially he winds up being eight, but I had him 709 00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:23,199 seven because I end up having his eye on leap program. So I think 710 00:46:23,559 --> 00:46:29,079 my concerns obviously the health is an issue issue, but like that's whatever. 711 00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:32,840 I think. He feels to me a little so far, a little more 712 00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:39,719 like a guy that is definitely at home on a really good team, but 713 00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:45,000 probably not as its best player. And that's like that feels like a knock, 714 00:46:45,119 --> 00:46:46,679 which it shouldn't be because it's like, well, you know, everybody 715 00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:51,239 made the Chris Middleton comp which is kind of off base because I think Kate 716 00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:53,679 already can do so much more with the ball than Middleton could, like at 717 00:46:53,719 --> 00:46:58,960 his peak. Probably maybe that's unfair. But while I would trust Cunningham two 718 00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:01,239 of like being more of every level score, where Chris Middleton felt like the 719 00:47:01,239 --> 00:47:06,920 two level for the most part. I think that's fair. So that's I 720 00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:09,719 guess that's that's my main reservation is like, I'm still trying to find guys 721 00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:15,039 that are and we're kind of out of them really and almost actually definitely are 722 00:47:15,079 --> 00:47:17,199 out of him. Just looking at my list, which right, by the 723 00:47:17,199 --> 00:47:21,360 way, I'm so analog and I have this written down on paper. Do 724 00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:24,280 you are Do you respect that or do you hate that? I respect that. 725 00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:27,360 I was when I was just talking to Katie Heidel, She's saying she 726 00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:30,480 still writes stuff like when she's doing stories, like she will write things on 727 00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:36,119 paper if she has like writer's block there. Oh wow, respect Yeah, 728 00:47:36,199 --> 00:47:38,159 No, that's that's my only reservation about Kade is that. But like, 729 00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:42,559 I mean, I had him right in the same range that you took him. 730 00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:45,800 I'm upset that he's off the board because I feel like any of the 731 00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:51,360 other guys I'm thinking about right now are going to be subject to criticism. 732 00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:53,280 But I have to trust my board, and I'm gonna take Darius Garland. 733 00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:57,960 I was that's the one who I've been grappling over for the next two picks. 734 00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:00,320 It's not like a pick right, that's my safe point guard. I've 735 00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:04,599 been referencing forever. I was trying to figure out. I was, like 736 00:48:04,639 --> 00:48:09,159 he said, talking about kay No. I mean, so he's a forty 737 00:48:09,159 --> 00:48:13,320 percent three points, like thirty eight points something for his career, was forty 738 00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:21,440 one last year. Is just gonna be like a really good primary shot creator 739 00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:25,280 who has massive value off the ball because he can just he makes shots. 740 00:48:27,239 --> 00:48:30,199 He's small, like that is the best. That is the most applicable criticism 741 00:48:30,199 --> 00:48:35,599 for him, and small point guards just some unless you're just you know, 742 00:48:36,039 --> 00:48:38,079 like we've talked about Chris Paul. Unless you're prime Chris Paul, it's really 743 00:48:38,079 --> 00:48:43,360 tough for you know, the six foot ish point guard to see all the 744 00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:45,840 passing angles to be able to make all the passes you need to make. 745 00:48:45,679 --> 00:48:49,880 But he still is a big assist guy, like you know, he's gonna 746 00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:52,280 be in seven eight nine per game, guy that takes care of the ball. 747 00:48:52,639 --> 00:48:55,559 So he's just like he's really good. He's twenty three. He does 748 00:48:55,599 --> 00:48:59,559 everything you want a point guard to do, and with the added bonus of, 749 00:49:00,119 --> 00:49:01,159 you know, if you have someone like Donovan Mitchell, who's like the 750 00:49:01,159 --> 00:49:05,079 best pick and roll operator. All of a sudden in the league, you 751 00:49:05,119 --> 00:49:08,199 can put Garland off the ball and there's no value lost because you cannot ever 752 00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:13,000 leave him alone. So I think I think he's safe. He's kind of 753 00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:16,400 boring, but he's just he's I think he's just better than everybody else we 754 00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:21,039 have left, unless you're just taking swings on upside guys, which I think 755 00:49:21,039 --> 00:49:24,639 it's probably almost time to start doing that. Which I think he's the right 756 00:49:24,639 --> 00:49:29,400 pick, and he probably just looking at who already went. I feel like 757 00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:31,840 he should have went earlier. Even I was taken him over John Morant without 758 00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:35,519 question. He's in the same tier. I could have taken him over Job 759 00:49:35,599 --> 00:49:37,239 for sure. Like they're just they're right next to each other. I originally 760 00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:42,760 had him at ten and so like I had picked number ten and didn't take 761 00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:45,480 him because I still had Who's I just take already forgot? Oh? Kay 762 00:49:45,679 --> 00:49:50,719 was like, but I was struggling between Kaye and Darius Garland there. Number 763 00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:53,719 eleven is still pretty high in this exercise though, like to be like with 764 00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:57,880 this pool of players. He like he said, I don't think he's boring, 765 00:49:58,039 --> 00:50:00,119 but I do think he's safe. I do kind of view him though, 766 00:50:00,159 --> 00:50:05,239 as higher upside than a Jaren Jackson junior, and I guess more of 767 00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:08,599 a complete player than a job Morant. Yeah, I think it depends, 768 00:50:08,679 --> 00:50:15,639 like I think Jaws the upside play Jackson is like, you know, I 769 00:50:15,639 --> 00:50:17,280 don't know. I think probably just with Mobile off the board, even though 770 00:50:17,280 --> 00:50:20,719 again, I know we're not building a team. It's like somebody's got to 771 00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:24,119 play defense. I just I value the defense. Yeah, I'm really curious 772 00:50:24,159 --> 00:50:29,239 to see who you take next, though, because I'm just like, I 773 00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:32,559 don't it could be any of like seven guys for me, I don't know. 774 00:50:32,599 --> 00:50:35,880 It's not it's not that I don't. So I'm gonna take a swing. 775 00:50:36,239 --> 00:50:38,920 This is what this is why we're here's it takes swings. Cat Holmgren, 776 00:50:39,119 --> 00:50:42,719 come on down. Can I tell you right now? Sorry? Sorry, 777 00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:45,000 I was gonna guess. I was gonna guess you're taking Chet right at 778 00:50:45,039 --> 00:50:47,719 the spot. I swear to God, Go okay, go ahead. By 779 00:50:47,719 --> 00:50:51,920 the way, he was, I initially had him ahead of Oh no, 780 00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:53,960 he was at number nine, So I don't think he was ahead of anyone 781 00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:58,760 that I took yet, or maybe he was, but I'm just like this 782 00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:02,320 dude is he's what I got from him in Summer League is the biggest question 783 00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:06,360 was can he play center? And you watch him, it's like, no, 784 00:51:06,519 --> 00:51:08,440 he should play center. It's not play center. It should he play 785 00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:13,079 center? Yet there's a luxury if you want to play him with Jalen Williams 786 00:51:13,119 --> 00:51:15,679 as your front court. Okay, fine, if you wanted to have a 787 00:51:15,719 --> 00:51:17,559 Brook Lopez on this team or go out and get another big, but like 788 00:51:17,599 --> 00:51:22,079 it's almost that he makes more senses if you wanted to go trade for Pascal 789 00:51:22,159 --> 00:51:24,239 Siakam. Now where you don't want Pascal Siakam to be your five. You 790 00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:28,000 don't need him to be because you're chet Homegren. But he can also play 791 00:51:28,039 --> 00:51:30,440 the four. I the two things we know what he's gonna do as a 792 00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:32,679 floor well, we don't know what we're gonna do, but I think everyone 793 00:51:34,199 --> 00:51:38,639 is gravitates towards these bigs who are floor spacing rim protectors. The two things 794 00:51:38,639 --> 00:51:43,920 that actually are just like swing developments that I think are not even developments at 795 00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:47,719 this point, but maybe certified fringe givens. Certified for fringe givens. How's 796 00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:52,960 that for equivocating but not a shirt. There's a floor game to him, 797 00:51:53,079 --> 00:51:55,599 and I don't think it needs to just be one that's in open space, 798 00:51:57,000 --> 00:52:00,000 like there could be eventually more directionality there and then this is not just a 799 00:52:00,079 --> 00:52:04,679 rim protector on the defensive end. This is like in a racer of Worlds. 800 00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:07,679 Yeah, I think, and I could see him having like a higher 801 00:52:08,079 --> 00:52:15,320 defensive impact than Evan Mobley as like a true big to where I think you 802 00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:17,360 probably trust Evan Mobley is more of the Okay, if you need him to 803 00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:22,480 be your primary winning defender, that's Evan Mobley comprehensive. There's a chance that 804 00:52:23,239 --> 00:52:28,639 chet Homegrin is more dominant on defensive that's just me where it's like Rudy Gobert 805 00:52:28,639 --> 00:52:30,719 one defensive player of the year because he was so dominant in these one or 806 00:52:30,760 --> 00:52:37,679 two areas versus other players who might have been more complete packages let's call them. 807 00:52:37,719 --> 00:52:39,559 It's a swing. We have not seen him play, and it's not 808 00:52:39,599 --> 00:52:44,440 on the level of Wemby just because there are He's not a self sustaining on 809 00:52:44,519 --> 00:52:49,440 offense at his absolute zenith. We know that, but let's just make the 810 00:52:49,480 --> 00:52:52,840 swing. I mean, it's what we're drafting for the rest of their careers 811 00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:53,599 here, and so I have to go. I have to go. I 812 00:52:53,639 --> 00:52:57,880 don't have to go, but I'm gonna go with Chet. You said Mobley 813 00:52:57,960 --> 00:53:00,159 as a camp like I think, and makes me wish I had just picked 814 00:53:00,239 --> 00:53:05,480 him. It could be better than Jaren Jackson in like two years, Like 815 00:53:05,519 --> 00:53:07,559 that's not ridiculous at all in terms of overall value, because he could be 816 00:53:07,599 --> 00:53:12,719 as good or better defensively and just as as like in terms of ball skills, 817 00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:15,559 he's probably already not probably, I think he is better than Jaren Jackson 818 00:53:15,599 --> 00:53:20,039 in terms of like bring the ball up the floor once in a while or 819 00:53:20,079 --> 00:53:22,360 just get in a triple threat position and beat a guy like to that that. 820 00:53:22,519 --> 00:53:27,599 I think Chet probably is already or certainly projects to be a lot better 821 00:53:27,599 --> 00:53:30,199 at that stuff. But yeah, great pick. I have no qualms with 822 00:53:30,239 --> 00:53:34,400 that one. I hate, though, that you keep leaving me with guys 823 00:53:34,400 --> 00:53:37,320 I don't want to take, And so why would you want to take these? 824 00:53:37,519 --> 00:53:42,679 I don't understand because I wanted to take Chet there, and I just 825 00:53:42,719 --> 00:53:45,239 feel like you're going through all these like these players are all exceptional grass. 826 00:53:47,599 --> 00:53:52,360 I'm gonna take LaMelo, and I want to see before I defended what you 827 00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:54,920 think about that pick, because I feel very uncomfortable with it. I get 828 00:53:54,960 --> 00:53:59,920 why you feel uncomfortable. It's spot on because he's number fourteen on my board 829 00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:04,280 and you're taking him with a thirteenth pick. So I was thinking about this 830 00:54:04,400 --> 00:54:07,119 the other day. I don't think this is likely to happen, but I 831 00:54:07,159 --> 00:54:14,920 love the theory of LaMelo is actually just like the floor for LaMelo could be 832 00:54:15,440 --> 00:54:19,639 like a better Lonzo, which is like cheap and like lazy because they're brothers. 833 00:54:19,960 --> 00:54:24,599 But I think somewhere in there, somewhere in there, LaMelo could be 834 00:54:25,079 --> 00:54:30,119 like a luxury like premium connector as like a passer, and he can be 835 00:54:30,199 --> 00:54:34,519 a good spot up three point shooter. I think he can be a good 836 00:54:34,519 --> 00:54:37,679 defender because he's even bigger than Lonzo, Like he's just wired to play differently 837 00:54:37,719 --> 00:54:40,280 though, like he's gonna be and on the ball, you don't you don't 838 00:54:40,280 --> 00:54:43,960 maxim out if you're not going to have him be your primary pick and roll 839 00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:49,159 operator all this other stuff. I think the other thing that favors LaMelo in 840 00:54:49,199 --> 00:54:52,719 addition to like there's a lot of different routes his career could take that all 841 00:54:52,760 --> 00:54:59,000 have high floors, is that like Charlotte just isn't so has not so far 842 00:54:59,079 --> 00:55:04,519 been this will shock you a great developmental environment for him, and I think 843 00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:07,880 he would really benefit from playing in games worth higher stakes. And I don't 844 00:55:07,880 --> 00:55:12,480 know how you factor that into like how good is the player actually, but 845 00:55:12,559 --> 00:55:15,079 I think he's better than he's been given an opportunity to show if you had 846 00:55:15,119 --> 00:55:20,679 better players around him in the games mattered more. I don't know, obviously, 847 00:55:20,719 --> 00:55:22,639 the knocks are there, Like I don't know he's ever going to be 848 00:55:22,639 --> 00:55:25,639 a good finisher. I don't know if he's ever going to try consistently on 849 00:55:25,719 --> 00:55:30,599 defense. But he's been an all star. He's he was a guy that 850 00:55:30,880 --> 00:55:34,440 really drove success relatively speaking for the you know, the best Hornets team of 851 00:55:34,440 --> 00:55:40,320 the last whatever three years. And I just I think, like the size 852 00:55:40,840 --> 00:55:45,760 and the multiple offensive skills are just like, you know, he could have 853 00:55:45,800 --> 00:55:47,760 a better career than Kaide, right, Like there's no question, Like so 854 00:55:47,840 --> 00:55:52,079 I think just given that, I gotta take him here because you know, 855 00:55:52,159 --> 00:55:57,639 if we're going upside and ceiling, he's still he's still got plenty of it. 856 00:55:58,239 --> 00:56:01,119 Yeah, the only pause for me with him is I want to know 857 00:56:01,159 --> 00:56:05,760 if he's ever gonna become stronger and a better finisher, just to add that 858 00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:08,079 level to his game. And I'm actually not as worried with the defense. 859 00:56:08,119 --> 00:56:12,000 I think if we would have gotten a chance to see him a full season 860 00:56:12,079 --> 00:56:15,840 under Steve Clifford, that there would have just been appreciable progress. Yeah. 861 00:56:15,880 --> 00:56:19,440 There, I think he can get better there. I totally agree, though, 862 00:56:19,480 --> 00:56:22,440 Like I just don't know if he's has the type of athleticism that's ever 863 00:56:22,519 --> 00:56:25,599 gonna make him a good finisher. And you know, in a congested paint 864 00:56:25,639 --> 00:56:29,079 like he's, he's gonna have to be a floater guy. He's gonna have 865 00:56:29,119 --> 00:56:32,039 to be someone that figures out how to maximize, Like you know, he's 866 00:56:32,079 --> 00:56:37,000 he's like a big wing basically playing point guard. So there are like workarounds 867 00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:38,960 for him. But he's never gonna just rise up and jump over guys or 868 00:56:39,360 --> 00:56:44,039 blow pass. He's got to sort of figure that stuff out. Yeah, 869 00:56:44,079 --> 00:56:47,000 Okay, glad. I'm glad that wasn't a ridiculous selection. I'm curious to 870 00:56:47,119 --> 00:56:51,079 and I think the fan base will actually think this is too low for him 871 00:56:51,119 --> 00:56:52,480 relative to who's taken. I don't think it is. I think you might 872 00:56:52,519 --> 00:56:58,039 think it's a tad too high. I'm going with Franz Wagner. He's just 873 00:56:58,719 --> 00:57:01,280 he's better on defense. He just doesn't receive any attention for his defense. 874 00:57:01,400 --> 00:57:06,920 And this is someone who is like an actual, like capable on ball defender 875 00:57:06,960 --> 00:57:10,599 already, and this is nothing of his offense, which is not only infinitely 876 00:57:10,679 --> 00:57:15,679 scalable, a term that I used to coin John Collins when he was good 877 00:57:15,800 --> 00:57:17,519 back in the day, back in the day, when John Collins is good, 878 00:57:17,559 --> 00:57:22,199 who I still was finite for him. But there's like he can really 879 00:57:22,239 --> 00:57:27,000 put the ball on the floor and this year the flashes of the off the 880 00:57:27,079 --> 00:57:31,119 dribble jumper in addition to being able to just attack the basket and set defenses 881 00:57:31,119 --> 00:57:35,599 with the ball on his hands. I'm just like, there was part of 882 00:57:35,599 --> 00:57:37,679 me when I went through this and the answer was no, I want to. 883 00:57:37,719 --> 00:57:38,639 I was say, is there a chance that he just ends up having 884 00:57:38,679 --> 00:57:43,760 the better career than Palo Bank Caro? And I couldn't get there because of 885 00:57:43,800 --> 00:57:46,480 Palo Bank Carroll's ability to get to the line and even to just like the 886 00:57:46,519 --> 00:57:51,280 way that he can just bulldoze over people. And there's just angles he uses 887 00:57:51,320 --> 00:57:53,599 that I think are gonna put him ahead of Franz Wagner eventually. If not, 888 00:57:53,800 --> 00:57:57,920 you know, immediately next season, he might already be there just as 889 00:57:57,920 --> 00:58:02,320 a level of facilitator, but he isn't. I don't want to keep saying 890 00:58:02,360 --> 00:58:07,719 that these players are underrated, but I don't think he's mentioned among the best 891 00:58:07,840 --> 00:58:09,920 building walks in the NBA nearly enough. And I know Orlando Magic fans know 892 00:58:09,960 --> 00:58:14,280 how good he is. I know basketball sickos know how good he is in 893 00:58:14,360 --> 00:58:16,119 general, But like, this is what we're talking about, the best twenty 894 00:58:16,119 --> 00:58:19,760 three and under players, And like if we were to think about where he 895 00:58:19,800 --> 00:58:22,079 would go if we were only using they have to be going to their age 896 00:58:22,119 --> 00:58:25,000 twenty three or under season, Like a couple of these guys would have come 897 00:58:25,039 --> 00:58:29,760 off the list. He has like a case to be firmly inside the top 898 00:58:29,760 --> 00:58:37,000 ten. I think he's a really hard player to evaluate because like what he 899 00:58:37,119 --> 00:58:42,800 was on arrival was not at all like what he was projected to be. 900 00:58:42,800 --> 00:58:45,960 Because I'm going back to draft night and doing some of the lead up, 901 00:58:45,039 --> 00:58:49,000 you know, studies of that draft, I feel like he was someone that 902 00:58:49,440 --> 00:58:52,599 like, yeah, he's gonna make open threes and you know he'll be in 903 00:58:52,639 --> 00:58:55,239 the right place defensively. I just really don't know how much like off the 904 00:58:55,360 --> 00:58:59,960 dribble stuff he's gonna be able to do attacking the basket, I'm not sure 905 00:59:00,360 --> 00:59:04,239 limited, Like he's just that's I think like getting to the basket with his 906 00:59:04,360 --> 00:59:07,880 like eurostep game is one of his defining skills. Now, just being able 907 00:59:07,920 --> 00:59:10,400 to create shots for himself at close range is one of the things that makes 908 00:59:10,480 --> 00:59:15,159 him so great. And yeah, like he's a good enough spot up shooter 909 00:59:15,199 --> 00:59:17,199 and he's a way better passer than anybody I think thought he would be, 910 00:59:17,559 --> 00:59:22,239 So that makes me sort of want to like reel in any He's just a 911 00:59:22,280 --> 00:59:27,840 tricky guy to evaluate because we're starting, we've just basically had our baseline expectations 912 00:59:27,880 --> 00:59:30,320 flipped because he was supposed to be X and he's very much wide. So 913 00:59:30,440 --> 00:59:32,639 yeah, now it's like, well, I don't know, I don't know 914 00:59:32,719 --> 00:59:36,159 what to think of his ceiling because he wasn't supposed to have any of these 915 00:59:36,159 --> 00:59:39,119 skills to begin with, right, So I think it's probably a credit to 916 00:59:39,199 --> 00:59:45,559 him and makes it easier to be optimistic because he either developed these skills quickly 917 00:59:45,639 --> 00:59:47,840 because he knew he needed him, or he just has always had way more 918 00:59:49,440 --> 00:59:52,039 in his bag than anybody expected. So I love that pick. Remember more 919 00:59:52,079 --> 00:59:55,880 of the concerns too, was can he play more than just a four at 920 00:59:55,880 --> 01:00:00,000 the NBA level. It's like he could play it too. Yeah, he's 921 01:00:00,119 --> 01:00:01,800 like at two to four whatever you need him to be. He's a big 922 01:00:01,840 --> 01:00:05,679 wing that can do everything. Like, oh, that's where did you have 923 01:00:05,760 --> 01:00:09,000 him on your board? If I had him, I think fifteen or sixteen, 924 01:00:09,119 --> 01:00:13,960 So we're like, like we haven't been aside from I guess Jaw was 925 01:00:14,000 --> 01:00:15,679 the biggest discrepancy. I had him at thirteen. You had him in I 926 01:00:15,719 --> 01:00:19,400 think Mobley was a big It was a big ish one because I had him 927 01:00:19,440 --> 01:00:22,719 at eight, pretty similar to the Jaw one. Though, all right, 928 01:00:24,360 --> 01:00:28,599 is it time to do it? I'm excited. Is it time to take 929 01:00:28,639 --> 01:00:34,880 Jalen Williams. Oh uh, I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna take I 930 01:00:34,880 --> 01:00:37,880 had him at seventeen. Yeah, I'm gonna do it. I had him, 931 01:00:37,960 --> 01:00:42,239 I had him at like twelve, so it's past it's past time. 932 01:00:43,320 --> 01:00:49,320 I don't know. I think all the criticisms are like the concerns that were 933 01:00:49,360 --> 01:00:52,800 there forgetting like better players frankly like Cade or even like you know, someone 934 01:00:52,840 --> 01:00:57,639 I think of as like a pretty comparable guy value wise, like Wagner, 935 01:00:57,719 --> 01:01:00,760 it's like, is this guy the going to be the best player on a 936 01:01:00,800 --> 01:01:05,199 really good team? Probably not, like almost definitely not. But I just 937 01:01:05,239 --> 01:01:09,199 think you talk about scalability, I think that totally applies to Williams. He 938 01:01:09,320 --> 01:01:13,880 can make shots off the ball. I mean the numbers don't bear that out. 939 01:01:13,920 --> 01:01:16,280 Other than some hot stretches late in the year. He's really like I 940 01:01:16,320 --> 01:01:22,920 talk about underrated, just like finishing craft and ability to use his strength already 941 01:01:22,000 --> 01:01:27,840 to get to the basket and like beat contact. He contorts and finds these 942 01:01:27,880 --> 01:01:30,760 weird angles with either hand, he goes off either foot. It's just all 943 01:01:30,800 --> 01:01:34,559 these like this guy's a basketball player with like a bunch of like the real 944 01:01:34,760 --> 01:01:38,239 niche skills that you gotta have. He's got the size, he's super long. 945 01:01:38,559 --> 01:01:44,119 Defensively, I think he has a massive potential. I just like everything 946 01:01:44,119 --> 01:01:46,920 I think he does, all the stuff I care about. Well, it's 947 01:01:46,960 --> 01:01:51,119 just like he's not an a plus at anything, like you know, and 948 01:01:51,199 --> 01:01:54,920 so he seems like another guy that he should show up on really good teams 949 01:01:55,039 --> 01:02:00,239 indefinitely, like and just be the second or third best player. And maybe 950 01:02:00,599 --> 01:02:04,400 is someone that you know has a great playoff series and is the best player 951 01:02:04,400 --> 01:02:07,480 in a playoff series once or twice like that kind of that kind of thing 952 01:02:07,519 --> 01:02:10,320 for me, Maybe maybe I'm selling him short to like the real Jill Williams 953 01:02:10,360 --> 01:02:14,400 supporters, of which I consider myself one. But there are people that are 954 01:02:14,400 --> 01:02:19,119 even higher on him than I am, so I love him. It's an 955 01:02:19,119 --> 01:02:22,639 irrational pick, and I'll apologize for nothing. I guess it comes down to 956 01:02:22,719 --> 01:02:24,159 just how much you believe, and because I don't think he's ever gonna be 957 01:02:24,280 --> 01:02:29,320 He's a good enough three point shooter, but it's his level of shot creation 958 01:02:29,400 --> 01:02:32,559 is very much going to be going downhill. It feels like, which is 959 01:02:32,639 --> 01:02:36,440 he's incredibly dangerous at doing I want to make that clear, so I don't. 960 01:02:36,440 --> 01:02:38,039 I mean, look, you took him at what pick was that number 961 01:02:38,639 --> 01:02:43,400 fifteen? I've had at seventeen, so you might have like juiced him up 962 01:02:43,440 --> 01:02:45,960 for me, like subconsciously, so I could have waited longer and gotten way 963 01:02:45,960 --> 01:02:50,159 better value because you probably just I'm surprised that you even had him on your 964 01:02:50,159 --> 01:02:52,440 bad I would have I would have made a big thing about it if he 965 01:02:52,480 --> 01:02:55,840 was still there for like the seventeen pick or whatever it was. I'm curious 966 01:02:55,880 --> 01:02:59,320 as to where you land on this one. I don't think a lot of 967 01:02:59,320 --> 01:03:01,719 people are the analytics are going to hate it. I want to make that 968 01:03:01,719 --> 01:03:06,280 clear. Can you guess who it is based off that it's Jalen Green and 969 01:03:06,320 --> 01:03:08,360 he's next on my board? Yes, okay, oh wow? Nice? 970 01:03:08,639 --> 01:03:13,360 So I'm just you watch him. He needs to learn how to slow down, 971 01:03:13,719 --> 01:03:15,000 I get it. And he needs to learn like how to be more 972 01:03:15,079 --> 01:03:19,760 under control when he's finishing he gets to the basket. This is someone who 973 01:03:19,760 --> 01:03:22,519 can play away from the ball. He's going to be in every level score 974 01:03:22,519 --> 01:03:25,760 And if you're concerned, is about the efficiency ticking up? Kind of look 975 01:03:25,760 --> 01:03:30,559 at the level of difficulty, honest shots, Those are going to get simpler 976 01:03:30,840 --> 01:03:32,880 now that Fred van Fleet is there, now that there should be lineups with 977 01:03:32,960 --> 01:03:37,920 better spacing, now that it feels like there'll be a more coherent coaching approach 978 01:03:37,320 --> 01:03:40,840 there. And I don't know what he's gonna do on defense. He's kind 979 01:03:40,880 --> 01:03:44,119 he's listed at six six. He feels like he might be a little bit 980 01:03:44,119 --> 01:03:49,480 smaller. He's playing with Fred van Fleet a bunch as opposed to Kevin Porter 981 01:03:49,559 --> 01:03:52,079 jior a bunch like that's gonna do wonders for him. And then Amen Thompson 982 01:03:52,159 --> 01:03:54,920 is there now, and so you talk about someone that he's gonna be able 983 01:03:54,960 --> 01:03:59,599 to capitalize on, Amen Thompson just blowing by dudes like that lineup where I 984 01:03:59,599 --> 01:04:01,239 don't even know who else is in it, where it's Fred van Fleet and 985 01:04:01,320 --> 01:04:06,880 Jalen Green just dotting. Amen Thompson just getting downhill is absolutely terrifying. And 986 01:04:09,119 --> 01:04:13,800 I just look at his scoring package. He's only a couple of years into 987 01:04:13,800 --> 01:04:15,840 his career, Like he will learn how to slow things down, maybe be 988 01:04:15,840 --> 01:04:19,599 a little bit more deliberate, a little bit more coherent, and even through 989 01:04:19,639 --> 01:04:24,000 all this chaos that's happened in Houston and with his game, like he has 990 01:04:24,039 --> 01:04:27,480 not turned the ball over at an astronaumic clip for someone who had what do 991 01:04:27,480 --> 01:04:30,559 you have last season? Twenty eight plus percent usage and a turnover rate of 992 01:04:30,599 --> 01:04:32,679 eleven point three, And so it's like, yeah, you kind of maybe 993 01:04:32,760 --> 01:04:36,119 do you want to see like the assist rate tick up a little bit for 994 01:04:36,119 --> 01:04:40,400 someone who has the ball in his hands that much? I guess, But 995 01:04:40,440 --> 01:04:44,920 like we're not talking about like a Jail and Brown level of assist the turnover 996 01:04:45,000 --> 01:04:48,840 ratio here either, And so the control to me is going to come and 997 01:04:48,880 --> 01:04:53,559 when he gets more measured. I fully believe this is someone's gonna be twenty 998 01:04:53,599 --> 01:04:56,719 plus points per game, gets to a point where, like he even was 999 01:04:56,760 --> 01:05:00,639 able to increase his foul line frequency last year. I don't know if he's 1000 01:05:00,639 --> 01:05:02,719 ever going to be hyper efficient to where we stand and look at it him 1001 01:05:02,719 --> 01:05:05,519 and say, like, oh, like Jalen Green, Jalen Green just took 1002 01:05:05,599 --> 01:05:10,400 shot fifty eight percent on two pointers, but like we've seen him in his 1003 01:05:10,480 --> 01:05:13,920 rookie season hit over fifty percent of his twos, and so like he'll get 1004 01:05:13,920 --> 01:05:15,679 back up there, and I do think he'll be like a thirty eight percent 1005 01:05:15,679 --> 01:05:19,000 three point shooter and someone who's going to hit a fairly high quip on those 1006 01:05:19,000 --> 01:05:23,559 self creative looks. I thought, actually, you were gonna maybe give me 1007 01:05:23,559 --> 01:05:26,320 more pushback than this, which is why I'd be like, I didn't even 1008 01:05:26,320 --> 01:05:29,639 need to elaborate as much as I did. I think maybe listeners or other 1009 01:05:29,719 --> 01:05:33,519 people wouldn't be as high as putting him here. It's really easy to dismiss 1010 01:05:33,559 --> 01:05:40,440 him because of the like the inefficiency and the decision making and all the stuff 1011 01:05:40,440 --> 01:05:44,400 you mentioned. I just think I think the rockets last year and really for 1012 01:05:44,440 --> 01:05:47,320 both years of his career have been one of the worst you know, organized 1013 01:05:47,480 --> 01:05:51,360 environments for young Like look at how much better Jubarry Smith junior looked granted at 1014 01:05:51,360 --> 01:05:55,239 Summer League, but he looked like a different player and Summer League jbar Smith. 1015 01:05:55,639 --> 01:05:58,360 So I think I think there's a good argument to be made that, 1016 01:05:58,440 --> 01:06:01,920 like we really have not seen like anything close to what Jalen Green can be. 1017 01:06:02,199 --> 01:06:04,679 And he's still average twenty two a game last year. And to your 1018 01:06:04,679 --> 01:06:09,159 point, like not only I mean he got to the line more. And 1019 01:06:09,320 --> 01:06:12,559 if you're worried about the three point shooting at all, which is I don't 1020 01:06:12,559 --> 01:06:15,880 think of a huge concern. You just like shave off two really difficult attempts 1021 01:06:15,920 --> 01:06:18,000 per game and you're good. He's like right under eighty percent from the foul 1022 01:06:18,039 --> 01:06:21,199 line. So like that's not someone that's going to shoot thirty four percent from 1023 01:06:21,199 --> 01:06:26,000 three. I don't think as long as he like again trims off you know, 1024 01:06:26,760 --> 01:06:30,400 the over the course of the year, like the one hundred most difficult 1025 01:06:30,440 --> 01:06:33,320 and possible threes that he tries to take. Everything he's good at you can't 1026 01:06:33,320 --> 01:06:36,679 teach, and everything he's bad at you can. Is like I how I 1027 01:06:36,679 --> 01:06:41,480 would look at it, and I tend to overvalue the other kind of player, 1028 01:06:41,880 --> 01:06:45,079 where it's like or at least a different type of skill like that you 1029 01:06:45,119 --> 01:06:47,639 can't teach, like the court sense and like the all the Haliburton type stuff, 1030 01:06:47,679 --> 01:06:50,880 Like you can't teach that you have that, But like you also can't 1031 01:06:50,880 --> 01:06:56,480 teach someone to be as fast and as vertically explosive as Jalen Green, and 1032 01:06:56,599 --> 01:06:59,920 like he's good enough with the ball to where you can just tighten up a 1033 01:07:00,039 --> 01:07:02,480 handle and suddenly it's like all the zach lavine stuff starts to seal, you 1034 01:07:02,519 --> 01:07:08,119 know, seem pretty real. So I have no problem at all with Jalen 1035 01:07:08,119 --> 01:07:10,760 Green. It's it's like where are we fifteen? In? He was fifteen 1036 01:07:10,800 --> 01:07:13,639 on my board, So I mean that actually makes me feel a lot better 1037 01:07:13,639 --> 01:07:15,519 about the pick. Yeah, you should feel good about it. And there's 1038 01:07:15,519 --> 01:07:20,679 nobody left for me to pick, So I really don't appreciate that nobody like 1039 01:07:20,840 --> 01:07:26,920 Gregos shipping all over all omating players. Well do I go with because now 1040 01:07:26,920 --> 01:07:29,920 we're in another big chunk of guys. Do I go with the safe pick 1041 01:07:30,119 --> 01:07:33,519 or do I go with like let's buy the lottery ticket? Who would be 1042 01:07:33,599 --> 01:07:39,880 the safe pick here? Do you mean optically or functionally functionally like, this 1043 01:07:39,920 --> 01:07:43,119 guy's gonna be really good. I think he'll make four or five All Star 1044 01:07:43,159 --> 01:07:46,599 teams. But that's gonna be about like that's about it, probably, and 1045 01:07:46,639 --> 01:07:50,360 I'm gonna do it now to spite you. I'm gonna take Devin Vassell. 1046 01:07:51,079 --> 01:07:57,000 No, I don't know where he was on your board. I hope he 1047 01:07:57,039 --> 01:08:00,599 was next because you stole Jayalen Green from me. Devin Mifel is just good, 1048 01:08:01,039 --> 01:08:04,320 and I think he's gonna be even better with the Truth Superstar next to 1049 01:08:04,400 --> 01:08:09,880 him in women Yama. Eventually, there's not a lot he doesn't do well 1050 01:08:10,159 --> 01:08:13,719 he had. I don't even have his stats open in front of me, 1051 01:08:14,000 --> 01:08:17,119 but I want to look up. You may you may know this. What 1052 01:08:17,159 --> 01:08:19,800 do you think he averaged just like points, rebounds, assists last year? 1053 01:08:19,880 --> 01:08:23,359 Unless you have it in front of you and then you can just I don't, 1054 01:08:23,520 --> 01:08:28,800 But wasn't he had like nineteen points eighteen five and then basically four and 1055 01:08:28,840 --> 01:08:31,079 four, you know, three nine and three six, shot thirty eight point 1056 01:08:31,119 --> 01:08:36,760 seven percent from three, took way more threes last year. He just he's 1057 01:08:38,119 --> 01:08:41,039 last Last year was his age twenty two season. He's still twenty two as 1058 01:08:41,039 --> 01:08:44,000 we're recording this, so he's under the wire by a full year. Basically 1059 01:08:45,319 --> 01:08:48,359 has big wings, like good wing size, maybe a little more two than 1060 01:08:48,399 --> 01:08:53,439 three. I don't know, but I just like, I don't I see 1061 01:08:53,439 --> 01:08:57,119 no failure for him. I think he's gonna be a guy that averages twenty 1062 01:08:57,119 --> 01:09:00,760 plus, you know, four and four or five and five with good percentages, 1063 01:09:00,159 --> 01:09:02,880 and it's going to be a good enough defender to just you're gonna start 1064 01:09:02,920 --> 01:09:08,039 every year until you're thirty three. You're gonna make a couple All Star Games. 1065 01:09:08,319 --> 01:09:12,880 And I just have no questions about Devin Wasssell's future. Wow, you 1066 01:09:13,000 --> 01:09:15,159 had him way higher than where did you have him on your board? I 1067 01:09:15,199 --> 01:09:18,039 have him in like my second tier guys, which are just in a big 1068 01:09:18,119 --> 01:09:20,800 chunk. So he's not I don't have a number ranking for him because he 1069 01:09:20,880 --> 01:09:25,439 was like twenty four twenty five on my board. Well, I thought I 1070 01:09:25,479 --> 01:09:30,800 thought you liked Apparently not. I'm so high on his ball scales relative to 1071 01:09:30,840 --> 01:09:33,399 consensus. Apparently I've met him one who's even on either that or you You 1072 01:09:33,479 --> 01:09:38,680 incepted me talking about him over the years so much. Yeah, that that 1073 01:09:38,760 --> 01:09:42,680 explains why you had Devin Wasssell so high and I had Jalen Williams actually pretty 1074 01:09:42,680 --> 01:09:45,640 close to where you took him, so that that would make sense. I 1075 01:09:45,720 --> 01:09:48,439 love the pick. I just probably would have went with more swings. And 1076 01:09:48,479 --> 01:09:53,239 I can't believe I don't even want to take this player, but like we 1077 01:09:53,319 --> 01:09:57,119 have to at this point, I'm going with Scottie Barnes. I know he 1078 01:09:57,239 --> 01:10:00,479 just came off the down year, but let's put him on a team that 1079 01:10:00,520 --> 01:10:06,319 has actual spacing. And I think that the processing speed improved last year relative 1080 01:10:06,359 --> 01:10:09,439 that there were moments. Yeah it wasn't all the time, but where he 1081 01:10:09,479 --> 01:10:13,880 was making decisions quicker, and like he can get to his in between game. 1082 01:10:14,119 --> 01:10:16,039 Yeah he can throw up some junkie turnarounds, but like he can get 1083 01:10:16,159 --> 01:10:19,760 to the basket. We saw if you split up certain games like okay, 1084 01:10:19,760 --> 01:10:23,840 the three pointer was going in, he'll dribble into some of them. That's 1085 01:10:23,880 --> 01:10:27,800 something that could work long term. I think he's going to be better defensively 1086 01:10:28,279 --> 01:10:30,479 on the ball, off the ball, He's just going to be better. 1087 01:10:30,479 --> 01:10:32,920 He has the physical makeup from it. And I also I do think that 1088 01:10:32,920 --> 01:10:36,319 this is someone who who probably could have went a lot higher. It's just 1089 01:10:36,399 --> 01:10:41,800 the stench from last year. It's just like because if we did this exercise 1090 01:10:41,880 --> 01:10:45,600 after his rookie season, would he have gone in front of Franz Wagner, 1091 01:10:45,800 --> 01:10:49,960 Jalen Green, LaMelo, Jalen Jan Williams wasn't the league yet, but like 1092 01:10:50,079 --> 01:10:54,760 Devin Missel like, he probably would have. There are people that would have 1093 01:10:54,800 --> 01:10:57,720 taken him over Evan Mobile, and they did because he won Rookie of the 1094 01:10:57,800 --> 01:11:00,520 Year. I think I had him as my Rookie of the Year over Mobili 1095 01:11:00,760 --> 01:11:02,560 and so just like he is a case to actually go way higher, I 1096 01:11:02,600 --> 01:11:06,479 think I'm getting great value here even though we're not building rosters. I also 1097 01:11:06,560 --> 01:11:11,880 think that you still have to believe in his game and the defense this year 1098 01:11:11,960 --> 01:11:14,880 was a little concern name because like that should have been there shouldn't have been 1099 01:11:14,920 --> 01:11:16,560 a drop off there. But they were also trying to give him this additional 1100 01:11:16,640 --> 01:11:23,159 runway on the offensive end while not actually giving him the resources to capitalize on 1101 01:11:23,279 --> 01:11:27,920 set flexibility. And so I just think it might not be this year because 1102 01:11:28,319 --> 01:11:32,119 I'm gonna name here's every single above average shoter on the Raptors right now, 1103 01:11:33,159 --> 01:11:38,560 Grady Dick and Gary Trent Jr. I don't know where you land on og 1104 01:11:39,159 --> 01:11:43,119 like he feels like an average guy. So I don't think this facing is 1105 01:11:43,119 --> 01:11:45,960 going to be there for him yet. But this is someone who when you 1106 01:11:45,039 --> 01:11:48,720 talk about that they're gonna make four or five All Star appearances. I would 1107 01:11:48,760 --> 01:11:54,239 still expect him to eventually be in that range, if not higher. And 1108 01:11:54,560 --> 01:11:58,479 his highest end outcome, which yes, do I feel a little bit shakier 1109 01:11:58,520 --> 01:12:01,920 on him reaching it? Sure his highest end outcome is still oh he should 1110 01:12:01,920 --> 01:12:05,159 have went ahead of Evan Mobley, like that is still his highest end outcome? 1111 01:12:05,920 --> 01:12:10,600 Yeah, I agree, certainly a much higher ceiling than Vassel. Right, 1112 01:12:10,680 --> 01:12:13,840 Like, just to compare the back to back picks, The two things 1113 01:12:13,840 --> 01:12:18,960 that concern me about him are you know less so but it was there is 1114 01:12:19,079 --> 01:12:25,119 the like, you know, whispers that maybe he like wasn't the best teammate 1115 01:12:25,239 --> 01:12:27,960 or kind of thought he was hot shit after winning Rookie of the Year and 1116 01:12:28,279 --> 01:12:31,720 like didn't maybe work that hard over the summer. Like that was like a 1117 01:12:31,720 --> 01:12:34,840 minor thing. The major thing is the shooting, Like if he isn't someone 1118 01:12:35,359 --> 01:12:40,159 that can shoot the ball and lay environment, conceded the environment was not good 1119 01:12:40,239 --> 01:12:44,159 for him last year in Toronto because of the lack of shooting and will be 1120 01:12:44,239 --> 01:12:47,039 that way this year too. If he's gonna be the starting line up, 1121 01:12:47,079 --> 01:12:51,000 there's no spacing inside that. If he's a sub thirty percent three point shooter, 1122 01:12:51,520 --> 01:12:56,439 like I just, I don't know where you can And if he's not 1123 01:12:56,439 --> 01:12:59,720 going to be an elite, elite defensive player, which he was not last 1124 01:12:59,800 --> 01:13:02,000 year, then I don't know. I don't know what you do with them. 1125 01:13:02,039 --> 01:13:06,119 But like tools wise and like ceiling wise, he's the best pick in 1126 01:13:06,199 --> 01:13:09,720 like the last five or six that we've made. So no, no, 1127 01:13:10,199 --> 01:13:13,319 no big argument there. It's I guess it's more of a swing than approven. 1128 01:13:13,359 --> 01:13:15,840 Just like you're taking someone who shot thirty percent on catching shoot threes last 1129 01:13:15,920 --> 01:13:19,520 year. That's a it's a swing, But thirty percent in Toronto on catching 1130 01:13:19,560 --> 01:13:24,239 shoot threes is like forty five percent on a regular basketball team. Is how 1131 01:13:24,239 --> 01:13:27,119 I feel it, Like you have to adjust a little bit for the environment. 1132 01:13:27,439 --> 01:13:32,239 All Right, I'm gonna take Tyres Maxie again, going with like the 1133 01:13:32,319 --> 01:13:40,079 more established, slightly older guy. This might look really good or really bad 1134 01:13:40,119 --> 01:13:45,800 depending on what he looks like, assuming he gets much a much larger share 1135 01:13:45,840 --> 01:13:49,000 of the offensive responsibility with Hard and Gone this year. But just to be 1136 01:13:50,319 --> 01:13:54,479 as a transition weapon, like he might be the fastest guy in the league, 1137 01:13:54,520 --> 01:13:58,119 or he's in the conversation and they shot forty three percent from deep last 1138 01:13:58,199 --> 01:14:00,800 year and forty two percent the year before that. He's a little small, 1139 01:14:00,880 --> 01:14:05,680 he's a bad defender, just like full stop. Oh he's a twenty point 1140 01:14:05,760 --> 01:14:09,600 scorer. You don't think that. I've always thought MAXI was like, he 1141 01:14:09,680 --> 01:14:15,720 just doesn't put some on ball chops to him and its athleticism, but he's 1142 01:14:15,760 --> 01:14:17,039 just like, I don't know, he's just there, and then he's not 1143 01:14:17,079 --> 01:14:21,680 there defensively, Like I don't think he well anyway, not known for his 1144 01:14:21,720 --> 01:14:27,239 defense. I think we could agree, but I think I think he's someone 1145 01:14:27,319 --> 01:14:30,520 that a lot of this will depend on. Is it, in fact the 1146 01:14:30,520 --> 01:14:34,560 case that he could be doing way more than he was doing certainly last year. 1147 01:14:34,880 --> 01:14:39,039 And I think it's more likely than not that he actually can. And 1148 01:14:39,079 --> 01:14:41,560 so from there, you're talking about a guy that can get you twenty five 1149 01:14:41,680 --> 01:14:45,640 and you know, six assists and shoot forty plus percent from three and just 1150 01:14:45,720 --> 01:14:49,319 be like a game breaker in transition. So I think, again, not 1151 01:14:49,359 --> 01:14:53,960 like a sexy pick, but I think I think he's just he's really good 1152 01:14:54,000 --> 01:14:57,359 now and he's going into his age twenty three seasons. So I guess I 1153 01:14:57,439 --> 01:15:02,239 just is there more of a self creation other than the put the ball on 1154 01:15:02,279 --> 01:15:04,720 the floor and attack the basket to his game? And do you trust him 1155 01:15:04,760 --> 01:15:11,039 to drive your half court offense as the primary playmaker? Were the questions I 1156 01:15:11,079 --> 01:15:14,199 had. And maybe we haven't gotten a good enough idea of that because he 1157 01:15:14,239 --> 01:15:16,800 played with James Harden and Joel Embiid last year, and I guess he might 1158 01:15:16,840 --> 01:15:23,520 be playing with those two again this year. This is a big divergence for 1159 01:15:23,560 --> 01:15:26,279 us. I had him twenty nine on my board. Wow, Okay, 1160 01:15:26,359 --> 01:15:29,359 I'm so curious who you have left because I got just a bunch of long 1161 01:15:29,399 --> 01:15:31,960 shots. I feel like I'm taking swings and you're out here like I'm gonna 1162 01:15:31,960 --> 01:15:35,640 take this age thirty guy in this age twenty three under exercise now. So 1163 01:15:36,079 --> 01:15:39,920 I don't know if I'm reading too much into summer league here. I'm going 1164 01:15:39,960 --> 01:15:45,159 with Jabari Smith Jr. I think he showed a lot more as the regular 1165 01:15:45,159 --> 01:15:48,079 season ended last year defensively, looking at the way he's able to move around 1166 01:15:48,319 --> 01:15:53,039 some of the offensive decision making, and then for watching him in summer league, 1167 01:15:53,359 --> 01:15:58,439 I'm just like, why can't in fury, he be the best prospect 1168 01:15:58,439 --> 01:16:02,000 that Houston actually has. There's a dominant defensive player in there, just an 1169 01:16:02,039 --> 01:16:09,239 absolute monster who plays, who's like a hybrid wing center hype like three four 1170 01:16:09,319 --> 01:16:13,600 or five guy, and if he has like the ability to do just drive 1171 01:16:14,000 --> 01:16:17,079 with the ball in his hands and go and he probably fell in love with 1172 01:16:17,079 --> 01:16:19,600 it too much as a rookie of points, like throwing up some of those 1173 01:16:19,600 --> 01:16:23,840 mid rangers. But it's like, if he can start getting up shots more 1174 01:16:24,000 --> 01:16:28,159 on the move more efficiently, you trust his set three pointer, want to 1175 01:16:28,199 --> 01:16:30,159 throw stuff to him in the post. It just feels like there's more of 1176 01:16:30,199 --> 01:16:34,600 an offensive armory there that he kind of showed at points last season. But 1177 01:16:34,680 --> 01:16:39,560 just after like what we the possessions I watch from him in summer League, 1178 01:16:39,600 --> 01:16:42,840 I'm all the way in on it, and I would expect him to be 1179 01:16:43,279 --> 01:16:47,560 like a hyper efficient offensive player this year unless Houston kind of really messes with 1180 01:16:47,560 --> 01:16:50,800 the lineups around him and you're dealing with a lot of suboptimal spacing again, 1181 01:16:51,039 --> 01:16:55,039 but just that his role is going to be streamlined. I think when you 1182 01:16:55,119 --> 01:16:58,079 nudge him down the pecking water and say, okay, you're number three on 1183 01:16:58,239 --> 01:17:00,800 offense right, or even number four rather then oh like your number two or 1184 01:17:00,880 --> 01:17:03,920 is it number three? That opens up a lot of different doors for him. 1185 01:17:03,960 --> 01:17:06,279 But he is more than I think. A lot of the time last 1186 01:17:06,319 --> 01:17:10,439 year I viewed him as he was gonna be best suited in a play finishing 1187 01:17:10,560 --> 01:17:14,000 role. And maybe that's where Houston winds up having to I don't want to 1188 01:17:14,000 --> 01:17:16,479 say pigeonhole him into because like it's a bad term, but maybe that's what 1189 01:17:16,560 --> 01:17:19,720 he does the most looking at the other town around him. But he has 1190 01:17:19,760 --> 01:17:27,239 the ability to be more, and so I trust just after Summer League specifically, 1191 01:17:27,279 --> 01:17:30,359 like I trust him his future. EON's more than I did just a 1192 01:17:30,359 --> 01:17:32,119 couple of months ago. For sure. For sure, I think I think 1193 01:17:32,159 --> 01:17:35,159 again the Houston thing, like it may just be that all these guys are 1194 01:17:35,199 --> 01:17:38,680 way better than we thought and we're going to find out this year because they 1195 01:17:38,680 --> 01:17:40,840 have a real coach. Where was he for you? Was this two? 1196 01:17:40,880 --> 01:17:44,479 I I have? What do I have him? No? I think it's 1197 01:17:44,600 --> 01:17:46,680 given based on the guys I'm looking at right now. He was he was 1198 01:17:46,720 --> 01:17:49,119 not next on my board, but he's in a chunk with like three other 1199 01:17:49,159 --> 01:17:51,840 guys in the What are we in? Like the twenty range. Basically, 1200 01:17:53,039 --> 01:17:56,199 I was picked number twenty. What pick are we going to? By the 1201 01:17:56,239 --> 01:17:58,399 way, I don't know. I was gonna ask you this that right, 1202 01:17:58,399 --> 01:18:00,199 Well it's twelve or fifteen because that would be the size of roster. So 1203 01:18:00,199 --> 01:18:02,479 what do you want to do? Let's do twelve, so we just get 1204 01:18:02,479 --> 01:18:04,760 two more? Is that right? Yeah? That'll be twenty four, and 1205 01:18:04,760 --> 01:18:08,720 then we can throw a we can throw a joint just so it's twenty five. 1206 01:18:08,720 --> 01:18:11,359 We could throw who would go number? We'll throw it. We will 1207 01:18:11,399 --> 01:18:13,880 have to agree on that. Okay, I haven't taken a swing in a 1208 01:18:13,880 --> 01:18:17,039 while. I'm gonna take a swing, and I'm gonna take Amen Thompson could 1209 01:18:17,079 --> 01:18:23,520 have taken. Would you like? I have a Sar Thompson higher than him? 1210 01:18:23,640 --> 01:18:26,399 And I didn't know what to do with those two because I feel like 1211 01:18:26,439 --> 01:18:29,520 they both looked so good, but a Sar played more in summer league. 1212 01:18:30,680 --> 01:18:31,359 Yeah, that's a great point, and I take both. I feel like 1213 01:18:31,359 --> 01:18:40,640 they should be a package done both. It's just purely like the athleticism is 1214 01:18:40,680 --> 01:18:43,359 like they're already both both of them. I'll just talk about them like they're 1215 01:18:43,359 --> 01:18:45,640 one person, even though there are different players. Amen, Thompson is in 1216 01:18:45,720 --> 01:18:50,800 like the ninety nine percentile of NBA athleticism like right now today, and the 1217 01:18:50,840 --> 01:18:58,840 fact that he seems to have like real playmaking instincts as like an on ball 1218 01:18:58,880 --> 01:19:05,640 guy and competes defensively and just feels like someone that if the shot doesn't really 1219 01:19:05,680 --> 01:19:11,279 come around, is still gonna have ways to be like a massively impactful player 1220 01:19:12,479 --> 01:19:15,159 that just like does it for me. It's purely upside. It's a lottery 1221 01:19:15,159 --> 01:19:17,039 ticket. If he can't figure out how to shoot, then like this is 1222 01:19:17,560 --> 01:19:21,039 you know, this is a bad pick, But my god, like athletically 1223 01:19:21,079 --> 01:19:25,399 and in terms of like demeanor and how hard he plays and all the other 1224 01:19:25,439 --> 01:19:29,520 stuff. I just I think he has ridiculous potential. It Like I don't 1225 01:19:29,560 --> 01:19:30,640 know what the odds are. He hits it, It hits the ceiling, 1226 01:19:30,720 --> 01:19:35,199 but the ceiling is real high. Yeah, I'm the fact that we've now 1227 01:19:35,239 --> 01:19:40,199 shrunk, Like not that I want to go to thirty, but like thirty 1228 01:19:40,239 --> 01:19:43,520 total picks. I'm like changing my board at real time, I think because 1229 01:19:43,520 --> 01:19:45,600 the player I should be taking. I'm with you on everything with Amma Thompson. 1230 01:19:45,800 --> 01:19:48,199 But the reason I would segue like this is I'm gonna take us our 1231 01:19:48,319 --> 01:19:55,439 Thompson now at number twenty one, and I the the defense, He's just 1232 01:19:55,479 --> 01:19:59,840 going to be a monster there. He's going to be dominant on the ball 1233 01:20:00,159 --> 01:20:02,199 from the ball, maybe even right away. I think you have to question 1234 01:20:02,239 --> 01:20:06,079 whether he's going to be the level of passer that almen can be because he's 1235 01:20:06,119 --> 01:20:10,159 going to get like, maybe not as good a burst, but he's gonna 1236 01:20:10,159 --> 01:20:12,560 be able to get buy guys. Will you make the right decisions after that? 1237 01:20:13,000 --> 01:20:15,039 I think it's a fair question what I trust about him more and why 1238 01:20:15,159 --> 01:20:17,760 why he was higher? And I didn't have them back to back, by 1239 01:20:17,760 --> 01:20:20,800 the way, I'm not just looping twins together. I had Thompson Osar. 1240 01:20:20,880 --> 01:20:25,720 Thompson was twenty and Amen Thompson was twenty two, so they're pretty close together. 1241 01:20:25,760 --> 01:20:30,279 Would it will be interesting to see if the person who sandwiched between them 1242 01:20:30,279 --> 01:20:34,720 gets picked. I trust his jumper more. It's not pretty and I went 1243 01:20:34,720 --> 01:20:39,479 through this on a previous pod, but like he can get it off a 1244 01:20:39,479 --> 01:20:42,840 lot. It seems like a lot quicker than Amen Thompson. To use him 1245 01:20:42,840 --> 01:20:45,720 as the analog, and it was just like there were moments where it was 1246 01:20:45,760 --> 01:20:48,680 going in during Summer League and like it was some off the dribble stuff, 1247 01:20:48,760 --> 01:20:53,119 and it was also just like quick like off the catch, and that's even 1248 01:20:53,119 --> 01:20:55,640 more important to just like if you can work and sort of that role. 1249 01:20:55,880 --> 01:20:58,840 And so if you can get off shots that quickly, that means the processing 1250 01:20:58,880 --> 01:21:00,399 speed to catch it and go, I'm either going to take there, so 1251 01:21:00,479 --> 01:21:04,119 I'm gonna drive is going to be right there, which I think can make 1252 01:21:04,199 --> 01:21:09,840 him more of an offensive compliment than Amen Thompson in the sense of, you 1253 01:21:09,880 --> 01:21:12,119 know, when you're looking at even some of these other guys that like we 1254 01:21:12,159 --> 01:21:15,279 took where it's like you're looking at uh Josh Giddy, is getting to this 1255 01:21:15,279 --> 01:21:17,520 point where you can view them as more of an offensive accessory, then Oh, 1256 01:21:17,520 --> 01:21:19,800 he needs to have the ball in his hands. I'm not sure if 1257 01:21:19,840 --> 01:21:24,119 Amen Thompson can be that unless you're gonna have him be used as a screener 1258 01:21:24,479 --> 01:21:28,119 or something. And I think I'm also just I think our Siren Thompson's gonna 1259 01:21:28,119 --> 01:21:30,720 be the guy in Detroit where it's yeah, like you just just go guard 1260 01:21:30,800 --> 01:21:34,760 that guy, yeah, and you know you're on your own, like that's 1261 01:21:34,880 --> 01:21:39,880 him, that's that's him. So that's who I went with, and I 1262 01:21:40,439 --> 01:21:43,279 he jumped someone because I'm like, oh, I only have one more pick 1263 01:21:43,319 --> 01:21:45,640 after this. I think I want to I really want to get him. 1264 01:21:45,119 --> 01:21:48,520 That's what did it for me too with with Almen. So I have one 1265 01:21:48,600 --> 01:21:51,920 more is that correct? Before we get there's number twenty three, so it'll 1266 01:21:51,920 --> 01:21:55,039 be the twelve spot on your roster over all, right, So I gotta 1267 01:21:55,119 --> 01:21:59,520 reach again. I gotta go Shad and Sharp that's who sandwiched in between the 1268 01:21:59,560 --> 01:22:04,439 Thompson. I thought it might be so just athleticism and the potential that he 1269 01:22:04,520 --> 01:22:08,439 showed in Summer League as like, oh, maybe this is going to be 1270 01:22:08,479 --> 01:22:11,760 a guy that can run a bunch of pick and rolls. Like maybe not 1271 01:22:11,880 --> 01:22:15,640 going to do that with Scoot Henderson on your team, but like if he 1272 01:22:15,640 --> 01:22:19,840 if he's able to shoot it from deep and able to just I don't know. 1273 01:22:19,920 --> 01:22:23,439 This is almost like an argument against him, but I'm just kind of 1274 01:22:23,479 --> 01:22:28,000 gaming out what his career might look like like. If Scoot is as advertised, 1275 01:22:28,840 --> 01:22:32,479 I mean, Sharpe is going to get four just spoon fed easy buckets 1276 01:22:32,520 --> 01:22:35,560 a game, it would seem like or at least really good looks. And 1277 01:22:35,680 --> 01:22:39,760 so if he's getting those, and then in addition to that, actually has 1278 01:22:39,840 --> 01:22:45,039 some creation shops he could. He's just he just looks like a guy that 1279 01:22:45,199 --> 01:22:47,039 is supposed to be a superstar. I feel like, which is the least 1280 01:22:47,079 --> 01:22:51,640 intellectual argument either of us has made at any point in this conversation. Can't 1281 01:22:51,680 --> 01:22:56,119 defend or has not decided to defend at all, But like, whatever we're 1282 01:22:56,159 --> 01:22:59,680 talking about guys that are twenty years old, so happy to get shade and 1283 01:22:59,720 --> 01:23:03,680 sharp and take him out of the Thompson Brothers bookend spot on your draft board. 1284 01:23:03,920 --> 01:23:06,239 His ability is just gonna get downhill and some of the shots he can 1285 01:23:06,359 --> 01:23:09,439 take, like they're not always going in right now, but some of the 1286 01:23:09,479 --> 01:23:12,479 shots that he can just get off. Yeah, it's like a Jalen Green 1287 01:23:12,600 --> 01:23:14,880 argument a little bit. Is he gonna be able to get that shot up? 1288 01:23:14,920 --> 01:23:16,239 I don't know if it's going in, but not everybody can get those 1289 01:23:16,279 --> 01:23:20,680 shots up. I don't know what to do here because this is the final 1290 01:23:20,800 --> 01:23:25,239 pick, like that would round out like the top twenty four, so twelve 1291 01:23:25,279 --> 01:23:28,840 of us each. I have Brandon Miller on my board because I'm like, 1292 01:23:28,880 --> 01:23:30,720 how much do we read in the summer league a week close to the season. 1293 01:23:31,239 --> 01:23:35,000 This is someone six nine has real feel for the game, can get 1294 01:23:35,079 --> 01:23:40,319 off shots, can defend some. But I'm just like looking at Josh Giddy 1295 01:23:40,359 --> 01:23:43,720 and Trey Murphy and Jane McDaniels. I have Jay and Ivy and this like 1296 01:23:43,960 --> 01:23:47,079 territory as well, and I'm just wondering if any of them need to go 1297 01:23:47,960 --> 01:23:50,279 over him. This is not the pick that we're allowed to talk through, 1298 01:23:50,359 --> 01:23:53,680 so I can't ask your help on this. Well, I want to throw 1299 01:23:53,760 --> 01:23:56,000 you more names just to make it harder on you that I still have on 1300 01:23:56,239 --> 01:23:58,960 because you're gonna say Jane McDaniels, and I have Jeremy so in here as 1301 01:23:59,000 --> 01:24:00,560 well, and we know how I feel about him. And I'm just like 1302 01:24:00,680 --> 01:24:03,199 a m I taking too many rookies because like, at some point I should 1303 01:24:03,239 --> 01:24:11,600 bet on these known commodities. I'm gonna go with. I don't know who 1304 01:24:11,600 --> 01:24:13,239 I'm gonna go with. Who do I go with? Do I go? 1305 01:24:13,359 --> 01:24:18,439 It has to Is it Giddy? Is that's the right pick? He is 1306 01:24:18,640 --> 01:24:23,479 not the next highest guy, or he's not in the highest group left on 1307 01:24:23,600 --> 01:24:26,880 my board, stiff Brandon Miller. Even in that group, Brandon Miller is 1308 01:24:27,039 --> 01:24:30,439 not someone I was gonna take. I'm gonna take Josh Giddy, guy, 1309 01:24:30,479 --> 01:24:33,079 I loved the improvement I saw from him as someone away from the ball. 1310 01:24:33,199 --> 01:24:38,279 Last year. It really improved his three point stroke, even like during the 1311 01:24:38,399 --> 01:24:42,039 early going when it wasn't going in as consistently, and there was like a 1312 01:24:42,159 --> 01:24:45,359 huge stretch of time this season we were shooting like a monster clip from three. 1313 01:24:45,680 --> 01:24:49,239 The rebounding, the defense, the playmaking when he gets into the lane. 1314 01:24:49,680 --> 01:24:55,800 It's kind of like, what if Rajon Rondo was actually an impactful basketball 1315 01:24:55,840 --> 01:24:58,640 player and not just like one of the most overrated players in the NBA history 1316 01:24:58,720 --> 01:25:02,479 at least post like two thousand eight or whatever. And so it's a risk 1317 01:25:02,600 --> 01:25:05,920 here. I get the appeal of Brandon Miller, but I'm gonna go with 1318 01:25:06,479 --> 01:25:11,880 Josh Giddy. I think he is a very comprehensive basketball player. And if 1319 01:25:11,920 --> 01:25:16,720 this is someone who just like starts shooting thirty five percent from three four entire 1320 01:25:16,800 --> 01:25:21,359 seasons thirty six percent, it's not you know, it's not game over level 1321 01:25:21,399 --> 01:25:25,239 of okay, if you know Victor weinban Yama is doing that game over. 1322 01:25:25,399 --> 01:25:28,439 But it's oh, like he's probably in some All Star conversations and this is 1323 01:25:28,640 --> 01:25:31,279 there shouldn't really be a barometer, but like he's gonna be extension knowledgeable next 1324 01:25:31,319 --> 01:25:34,600 summer, and he probably gets if he has the season he did this year, 1325 01:25:35,039 --> 01:25:38,840 he probably gets a max extension. And so that makes me feel a 1326 01:25:38,880 --> 01:25:43,199 little bit more comfortable or at least close to it with this pick. So 1327 01:25:43,439 --> 01:25:45,279 I was kind of hoping like a Devin Vassell was still going to be available. 1328 01:25:45,359 --> 01:25:48,079 That's rady to be honest with you. So that wasn't going to be 1329 01:25:48,119 --> 01:25:51,279 as hard of a decision. Just talking about the names that have gone since 1330 01:25:51,399 --> 01:25:56,920 him, I dramatically overdrafted de Vassell. But yeah, no, the fact 1331 01:25:56,960 --> 01:26:00,479 that Giddy went from twenty six percent to thirty two percent year over from deep 1332 01:26:00,600 --> 01:26:02,560 is really encouraging. And the guy's just been a starters, like you, 1333 01:26:02,680 --> 01:26:08,119 started every game he's played, so like he Yeah, I think if Giddy 1334 01:26:08,239 --> 01:26:13,159 gets like twenty percent better, you're talking about like a guy that's averaging like 1335 01:26:13,399 --> 01:26:16,159 nineteen nine and eight. You know, it's like him just being able to 1336 01:26:16,239 --> 01:26:19,960 play off Shay as well, like now where it's like, oh that that 1337 01:26:20,119 --> 01:26:24,000 works. It just makes you feel so much better. Yeah, No, 1338 01:26:24,199 --> 01:26:27,399 that's a good one. Okay, we need to form a consensus on player 1339 01:26:27,520 --> 01:26:30,199 number twenty five. Let's go through. Give me some of the names that 1340 01:26:30,359 --> 01:26:34,039 you have like coming up, and then I'll see if there's any divergences, 1341 01:26:34,199 --> 01:26:38,800 like I'll add on to it basically, believe it or not. I only 1342 01:26:38,880 --> 01:26:43,840 have four guys left because I didn't rank everybody. Oh, I had like 1343 01:26:43,920 --> 01:26:47,520 a fifty player big board, forty four player big board. Also every single 1344 01:26:47,560 --> 01:26:53,239 player in my top twenty win, so we like, we got the we 1345 01:26:53,359 --> 01:26:56,079 got the we got the hits. I'm a coward. I had Brandon Miller 1346 01:26:56,279 --> 01:27:01,399 nineteen. Otherwise everyone in my top that was was this literally yeah, everyone 1347 01:27:01,439 --> 01:27:06,199 in my top twenty one except for him, Okay, in no particular order, 1348 01:27:06,920 --> 01:27:13,840 albren Singun, Jane McDaniels, Walker Kessler, Tyler Hero. Those are 1349 01:27:13,920 --> 01:27:16,600 the four guys left in the twenty three and under that have not been picked 1350 01:27:16,720 --> 01:27:20,399 that I at least took the time to put into a tier someplace. So 1351 01:27:20,640 --> 01:27:25,039 I also have an addition to those guys all made it, Jane and Ivy, 1352 01:27:25,880 --> 01:27:30,560 Trey Murphy, Jeremy Sown, Taylor Hendrix, who I recognize that I 1353 01:27:30,640 --> 01:27:34,880 might just be obscenely high on a consensus ousman Jang. I think, by 1354 01:27:34,920 --> 01:27:39,680 the way, that is my prediction would be this season, we're gonna look 1355 01:27:39,720 --> 01:27:42,680 back and be like, holy fuck, the thunder have usman jang too. 1356 01:27:42,880 --> 01:27:45,800 I think that's what's gonna happen. I had Tyler Hero. You mentioned schen 1357 01:27:45,880 --> 01:27:50,399 Good Benedick Mathin. I thought about putting him higher than this. He's number 1358 01:27:50,479 --> 01:27:54,439 thirty five on my board, but I could have been talked like putting him 1359 01:27:54,479 --> 01:28:00,159 in twenty fifth. Balah Kolabali Dyson Daniels. Is he ever gonna have some 1360 01:28:00,239 --> 01:28:03,800 sort of a jumper? Keegan Murray, Patrick Williams and like we're getting into 1361 01:28:03,920 --> 01:28:09,960 okay, Kelvin Johnson, Jalen During Christian Brown, Mark Williams, o'chaiak Baji 1362 01:28:10,319 --> 01:28:14,039 Denny Avia. Can I just give you the player that I'm just like I 1363 01:28:14,199 --> 01:28:18,840 think could enter at least this part of the conversation after this year, I 1364 01:28:18,880 --> 01:28:21,199 didn't get I didn't rank him, but I just I want the record. 1365 01:28:21,600 --> 01:28:26,239 I thought about Peyton Watson. I think I've been thinking about I thought you 1366 01:28:26,279 --> 01:28:29,600 were gonna say cominga because we haven't talked about him at all. No, 1367 01:28:29,800 --> 01:28:31,239 I guess she didn't. He probably should have been in my top forty four. 1368 01:28:31,239 --> 01:28:35,239 I don't feel bad about not including him over anyone we pick that might 1369 01:28:35,279 --> 01:28:39,279 be an oversight on the top forty on the top fifty list that I had, 1370 01:28:40,479 --> 01:28:43,479 so I didn't spend any time thinking about Jonathan cominga. I didn't realize 1371 01:28:43,479 --> 01:28:45,760 I didn't have Moses Moody in our initial pool, but we didn't. We 1372 01:28:45,800 --> 01:28:48,800 didn't need him. That was unnecessary. I think we can kick Hero out 1373 01:28:48,840 --> 01:28:51,479 because he's on the older side, and I think this sort of he is 1374 01:28:51,560 --> 01:28:57,319 what he is at this point, right, which is like him from Tyres 1375 01:28:57,359 --> 01:29:02,079 Maxie that much for you? I think just the raw athleticism one and the 1376 01:29:02,279 --> 01:29:05,840 idea that I mean, actually the correct answer is like not a lot, 1377 01:29:05,960 --> 01:29:11,479 because we just have to regard him Simon's we're not talking twenty three other Like 1378 01:29:11,479 --> 01:29:13,840 there are different types of players, like Tyler, Hero has that off the 1379 01:29:13,960 --> 01:29:16,880 dribble jumper, whereas like Maxi has that pure like catching go. Yeah. 1380 01:29:17,439 --> 01:29:23,319 Would you do you think general This is impossible to answer, but my opinion 1381 01:29:23,399 --> 01:29:27,640 is that I think Maxi is just generally more highly regarded than Hero. But 1382 01:29:27,760 --> 01:29:30,119 I don't know if that's totally fair. So do you think it's it feels 1383 01:29:30,159 --> 01:29:34,159 like this happens when they sign their extensions, and so if Maxe, we 1384 01:29:34,239 --> 01:29:36,640 know he's not going to get an extension because the Sixers don't want to give 1385 01:29:36,680 --> 01:29:40,520 him one. But if he were to sign an extension that pays him max 1386 01:29:40,600 --> 01:29:44,119 money or thirty million dollars a year, I wonder if there would be some 1387 01:29:44,279 --> 01:29:46,720 pullback. I think that's I think you're one hundred percent right, because just 1388 01:29:46,880 --> 01:29:49,000 like we're not, Oh, Max, he's honors rookie scale deal, what 1389 01:29:49,119 --> 01:29:51,640 a value? How good is this guy? You know? And then suddenly 1390 01:29:51,640 --> 01:29:55,560 there are expectations when you make you know, twenty five or thirty million. 1391 01:29:56,640 --> 01:29:59,039 I still feel a little kay getting hero out of this. I don't know 1392 01:29:59,199 --> 01:30:02,560 that's inconsistent with me taking Maxie. But then it's like, if you had 1393 01:30:02,640 --> 01:30:05,560 to pick one, who would be your pick? Here? If it's just 1394 01:30:06,000 --> 01:30:13,800 my team, I'm talking career, I might just take Kessler because I feel 1395 01:30:13,800 --> 01:30:15,520 like Kessler is going to be like a top five defensive Player of the Year 1396 01:30:15,560 --> 01:30:21,000 candidate just for ten years. But that's so boring because he's like has such 1397 01:30:21,079 --> 01:30:27,199 massive and obvious limitations, you know. I I think I would go Trey 1398 01:30:27,279 --> 01:30:30,159 Murphy because he's just like, has so much more to offer on offense than 1399 01:30:30,199 --> 01:30:32,479 we've seen, and the fact that we already know he can be this ultra 1400 01:30:32,560 --> 01:30:36,359 deep motion shooter in addition to holding up on defense across the two, three 1401 01:30:36,960 --> 01:30:42,319 and four, and I think he has I'm looking at Jane McDaniels is another 1402 01:30:42,319 --> 01:30:45,479 one where I feel like there's more of a floor game to him. But 1403 01:30:45,640 --> 01:30:48,760 I just think Trey Murphy's is going to be even better. And and then 1404 01:30:48,840 --> 01:30:51,600 it's just like not having Bred and Miller or Jay and Ivy there. But 1405 01:30:51,640 --> 01:30:57,000 I think I would campaign for Trey Murphy with if you could tell me that 1406 01:30:57,079 --> 01:30:59,720 Jeremy someone was going to be like even close to a league average shooter, 1407 01:30:59,760 --> 01:31:01,119 which be him. So one was the name. I was like, are 1408 01:31:01,159 --> 01:31:03,920 we should we? Are we overthinking this because I know we both love him 1409 01:31:05,119 --> 01:31:08,520 well, so we could go a bonus pick for each So you could have 1410 01:31:08,640 --> 01:31:12,159 Kessler and I'll Trey take Trey Murphy and we'll let's do that. Let's do 1411 01:31:12,239 --> 01:31:15,079 that. Did you think was Singuon a consideration for you at all? Or 1412 01:31:15,159 --> 01:31:16,680 is it just like he's never gonna be able to defend so there's like no 1413 01:31:16,840 --> 01:31:20,520 point? So he was actually where did he finish? Let me look where 1414 01:31:20,560 --> 01:31:24,359 he finished on my board. I had him at thirty three just so in 1415 01:31:24,479 --> 01:31:28,960 part because it's not even the defensive concerns. I just don't unless you were 1416 01:31:29,079 --> 01:31:31,800 NICOLEA. Yokich that level of player, and he's not that level of shooter 1417 01:31:31,960 --> 01:31:35,640 or score just yet. It's just because of like the playmaking and the vision 1418 01:31:35,680 --> 01:31:40,039 there and some of the wild attempts that passes that he attempts. Would you 1419 01:31:40,159 --> 01:31:44,079 ever is someone ever going to actually build their entire team around him? And 1420 01:31:44,119 --> 01:31:45,079 so when we're in this part of the exercise, like, no, we're 1421 01:31:45,119 --> 01:31:48,079 not. You know, maybe I'm not thinking of Trey Murphy building around my 1422 01:31:48,239 --> 01:31:53,600 entire team around him, but there's just more of the I imagine him being 1423 01:31:53,640 --> 01:31:58,800 in a higher profile role for longer, and it's maybe I'm just jaded by 1424 01:31:58,880 --> 01:32:01,920 how teams are typically built these days. Yeah, I think you've kind of 1425 01:32:01,920 --> 01:32:05,039 made me realize. That's my argument for Kessler is like you will in fact 1426 01:32:05,079 --> 01:32:10,079 build at least your defense around him or he that's that's someone that is a 1427 01:32:10,199 --> 01:32:13,640 central figure on your team, although offensively I don't really know what you do 1428 01:32:13,760 --> 01:32:17,159 with him. Yeah, he was. I had him ahead of Shanegun I 1429 01:32:17,279 --> 01:32:19,600 had By the way, do you want to see how how much of a 1430 01:32:20,279 --> 01:32:25,399 idiot or sickle I am? I have Taylor Hendricks ahead of Walker Kessler because 1431 01:32:25,399 --> 01:32:29,119 I just think that Taylor Andrews is gonna be this offensive beast in addition to 1432 01:32:29,359 --> 01:32:34,479 kind of just being like this really like eclipsing rim protector and valuable defender as 1433 01:32:34,560 --> 01:32:38,760 well. And that's just that's pure. I was taking a swing. Yeah, 1434 01:32:38,960 --> 01:32:42,399 if if we went the full thirty picks or like fifteen each, I 1435 01:32:42,439 --> 01:32:45,439 probably would have taken Walker Kestler over him. Like being Walkers was really good 1436 01:32:45,520 --> 01:32:49,479 and I missed on him. This was this was fun, though I hate 1437 01:32:49,520 --> 01:32:53,479 myself afterwards a little bit. But don't you feel like I just feel like 1438 01:32:53,520 --> 01:32:58,600 I made like fifteen mistakes whatever, hope and at least like leave anyone off 1439 01:32:58,680 --> 01:33:00,640 that's like super just like, oh, how is this? Like it? 1440 01:33:00,840 --> 01:33:04,319 Like you know someone who's like top fifteen the NBA right now? Guess what 1441 01:33:04,520 --> 01:33:08,720 we'll hear about it? Can you? Did you triple triple check that Luca 1442 01:33:08,880 --> 01:33:12,000 is twenty four? He is twenty four? Perfect because I actually did at 1443 01:33:12,000 --> 01:33:15,359 twenty three and under exercise already, but we didn't go this deep. I 1444 01:33:15,439 --> 01:33:17,439 didn't go this deep on it, and I knew Luca was excluded. We 1445 01:33:17,800 --> 01:33:23,560 Jayson Tatum is only nineteen though, so I don't know Arrow was angling up 1446 01:33:23,600 --> 01:33:27,199 for young Jayson Tatum these days, look out for him. 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