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Welcome to soft Core History. Hello, and welcome back to Softcore History.

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My name is Jake Goldman. I'll
be your host for this week. I

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am joined as always by my two
co hosts, Rob Fox and Dan Regester.

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How's it going today, boys,
another day in the life fellas.

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Yeah, let's fucking go. Man
happily, happily, ready to go.

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I just want to hear about history. Incredibly hungover. You're hungover. That's

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rare for you. Now I've been
on a bit of a bender. Oh

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yeah, you went to the UFC
fight, to the fights. I went

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to a UFC fight. You saw
some fights happen, quite a few,

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quite a few. Were they exciting? Was it as primal as you hoped?

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Yeah, there's a lot of knockouts, a lot of finishes, a

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lot of submissions. Does it sound
cooler in person? Like the grunts and

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the more the crowd. It's not
like an empty arena. It's not like

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the Apex Center. Yeah, no, it's fun. I do have a

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gripe. What's your grip with the
Moody Center? Which I did like first

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time at the Moody Center. Yeah, really nice facilities, good food options.

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However, self checkout line always ask
for a tip. Yeah, I

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hated that. Who am I tipping? What? Yeah? My tipping this

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machine? It's the thing the engineer, where's this money going? There's the

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west guy and like San Luis Obispo
that just gets tipped every time you go

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through. That's called passive income BATA. And then you also have to pour

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your beer or your selzer's into a
cup at the self service line. Yeah

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yeah, so I'm like a can
I get some money back for serving myself?

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I hate that ship. Actually,
I would prefer to keep it in

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the can or bottle as opposed.
Well, they don't need to throw it.

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Yeah, the projectiles. If I
have an empty plastic cup, I

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guess I can't reach. You have
to likee mass, you have to shot

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put throw it like you know what
I mean, because it's gonna lose mass

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if you throw it hard, right, and you throw like an empty plastic

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cup and it goes nowhere and it's
just almost mentally defeated. Yeah, exactly.

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Well, what you would have to
do, like a solo cup for

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example, is fucking stomp it and
then throw it like a Ninja star.

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Right, No one's it's Yeah,
it's too much work. You do that

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with a can? Yeah, empty
beer can? Same thing, right,

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Like, yeah, you can't if
you can't really throw an empty beer can

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any significant playing throw full beer can? Yeah? Far though, regardless of

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how you throw, can you throw
a beer can a full on that's empty?

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Empty? Ten? Oh my god, dude, you might need You

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might throw your shoulder out getting it, the wind takes it behind you.

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Yeah. Yeah, I don't know. At this point in my life,

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I'm like, I'm not poor,
but I'm not throwing away a ten to

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twenty dollars beer. I'm not paying
twenty dollars to throw something at someone.

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I've never been so mad. I
wanted to throw a beer at that expense,

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like I've never thrown, especially when
it's just like if a beer's over

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five dollars, I'm drinking all of
it. Yeah. Everywhere we were joined

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by a couple of people, so
whenever you bought rounds, I was like,

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oh, ship, that's like a
hundred bush right there. You were

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on the hook for a round.
You're with people much wealthier than you,

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I know, like they don't pay
for anything though, God damn, fighters

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don't pay for ship. Yeah,
you chuck le'dell and we met up with

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Chuck A Lauo. Yeah, I
don't know why you paid for anything,

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like a millionaire UFC fighter out a
UFC event and he's like, hey,

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you got this round next man.
It wasn't Chuck. Yeah, Chuck's not

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the one who's asking like a double
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don't pay fighters that well, so
they don't. I feel like Chuck's made

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money. Though. Chuck's made money, but he's also you know, kind

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of going through things right now.
It well, I think he might come

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out okay in the alimony situation,
all things considered. Well, you know

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what, this isn't a UFC fucking
podcast, all right, this is I

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would no, not UFC. I
was gonna say divorce, well, breaking

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down alimony. This is a good
time to plug the Patreon Yeah, because

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uh, we haven't recorded it yet. It'll be after we do this episode,

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but it comes out Wednesday, and
it's actually about gladiators. So kind

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of did you do mushrooms and then
stay up till four am riding that episode

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like you did with Oppenheimer. No, with Hannibal Hannibal episode I did,

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but wasn't it after we saw Oppenheimer? Yes, yeah, I mean I

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did four Oppenheimer. Yeah, it
did mushrooms for Oppenheimer, but then they

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just kind of kept coasting off them, like we might as well rep my

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episode. Something big actually happened this
week? What well? Yeah, I

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mean we're kind of late on it
almost. That's how fast the internet moves.

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Yeah, that's okay. I feel
bad. A pretty influential person died

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on November twenty ninth, twenty twenty
three. Alright, p Henry Kissinger.

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Oh, I thought it was going
to be the Irish bitch. No,

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who the ninety three year old Saturday
O'Connor. Oh, I think she was

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Irish? Well, I mean,
man, that sounds pretty Irish to me.

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Irish. Yeah, I think she
was born in Ireland, but I

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could be wrong. Okay, Well
yeah, not her kissing. I'm sure

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she's full of fucking I'm sure her
family he is. Mickey Murphy Potato,

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Right, Mickey the potato mar You're
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short for? Actually potato? Weirdly
potato potato Murphy potato, Yes, potto.

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Yeah, No, we're talking about
the kiss man kissing ger Henry Kissinger.

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Hear about this guy? You hear
about this guy. Apparently he's burning

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in hell. A lot of people
didn't like him, that media man that

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was, even though I know he's
done horrible things. I just oh,

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some of the most horrible. I
just still like, can never see a

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Twitter dog pile and not be like, you know what, No, fuck

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you guys. I just kind of
sit it out. It's just too anytime

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I see people having fun too easily, I'm like, No. A lot

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of people found out who Kissinger was
last week. Yeah, yeah, I

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think a lot of people that also
hate Kissinger would probably probably directly use his

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philosophies to cite why they hate him. I think it's a common read.

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Though. I think that could unite
the country. I think at least right

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at least twenty percent of the people
not I'll say max, twenty percent of

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the people dunking on Kissinger for being
horrible what she was probably would do horrible

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things themselves if they had the ambition
or capacity to reach a level of Henry

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Kissinger's status. It's true, guess
true, Yeah, I mean true.

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Every person that doesn't carpet bomb another
country, Yeah, they don't have the

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grind mentality ground. You don't get
to the point where you can carpet bomb

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a country unless you already know you
have the capacity to carpet bomb country.

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I just see a lot of that's. I just see a lot of people

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like it's just like an easy moral
victory for people. And I'm like,

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you know what, I've seen some
of your other tweets about people you don't

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like politically, and I really just
feel like you haven't done it because you

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haven't had the opportunity like you have
some you've the sense of vile things.

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You just you just don't have the
opportunity to exercise your vileness beyond Twitter.

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Yeah. No, I mean it's
true whether you believe for the best,

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yes, definitely for the best,
Yeah, absolutely for the best, right,

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because no one should ever be able
to just do what they want.

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The Kissinger pretty much did. Yeah, yeah, which is pretty sick.

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Honestly. Are we going through his
whole life story? We're gonna go through

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a lot of it, like childhood
and ship. Yeah, we're gonna start

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origin to all that because I have
a theory after we talk about his origin.

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Okay, I think I already know, Yeah you kind of, I

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think you already there. But they'll
like it. Yeah, you save it

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for then. But yeah, whether
you believe him to have been a war

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criminal or cold war champion, Kissinger
is a planet when it comes to influencing

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global politics. Yes, he's a
planet. He has an orbit, man,

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like a dwarf planet. We're talking
like a little rocky planet. Jupiter.

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Okay, Jupiter. He's like Jupiter, a big red spot on him.

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We got a big red spot.
He probably did at the end.

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Yeah. Yeah, when you get
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south. It's it's gets loose.
One time, I fourth July, my

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grandpa was still alive. That was
like a big Fox family celebration. And

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my dad was like, Grandpa,
weren't you we are my uncle's house.

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He was like, he was like, Dad, weren't you swimming? And

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he just goes, No, one
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to see all those spider vans.
He said that to you, He said

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that just to my dad. I
was like there, I was like nearby,

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So that was funny. That's pretty
the best way to go as an

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old man is to just be out
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you're he's like a tanned rack.
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have you ever seen that picture that
like one hundred and two year old Native

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American. Yeah, I want a
baseball glove. I'd rather look like a

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baseball glove than a ghost. Okay, that's with like purple spots everywhere I

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heard. There was an interview with
an older woman and it was like she

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was basically told, at like fifty, She's like, all right, listen,

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you can need to be wrinkly as
hell and skinny, or you can

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be fat and smooth skinned. It's
like those are your options when you get

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old, you need to be like
wrinkly. Everyone I met in Hawaii that

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was like super old looked incredibly youthful. Were they all and all they did

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was hanging out in the sun?
Were they white or were they native?

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Okay? All the white people that
lived in Hawaii that were in like their

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fifties thirty five, it was insane. It could be the quality of life,

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And I think it's not the sun. I think it's the general quality

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of life you can afford to live
there. But they're all they're eating like

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fresh fish and fucking like salads and
ship all the food probably good for you,

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Yeah, no anyway, But still
I don't think it makes you a

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Brinkley. The just exposure to sun, like tense exposure. No, that's

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why all the homeless people in Austin
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just exposed to the sun all day. I mean, I'm I've seen in

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hot homeless people. They've got some
good bods, not bad because they're essentially

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intermittent. You know. I was
like with not eating when I first moved

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here and I saw a shirtless homeless
guy, I was like, these are

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not the Midwestern homeless I'm used to. No, No, nor the flirred

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in Every homeless person has a sleeve
tat here. How do you afford that

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it's done at the camp? Yeah. In our Patreon episode, so we

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ask a question a lot like for
this, you know, normal episode,

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we asked who's Hitler? And our
Patreon we asked who's in the game.

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Kissinger was the game. He wasn't
just in it. He is the game.

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He also more or less changed the
game for you know, basically the

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time period that we live in now. He's sort of like I feel like

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he's like a Babe Ruth type of
figure, Like the sport changed overnight.

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Yeah, when Babe Ruth started to
hit and Dingers. Yeah, I mean,

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like not Jackie Robinson. You don't
want to go there. I think

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in terms of the way the game
is played, Babe Ruth is absolutely more

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influential than Jackie Robinson. No,
I just think it's funnier if you compare

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Kissing Jerda Jackie Ross, just because
yeah, yeah, he was a practitioner

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of real politique and the person who
brought pragmatic national interest as foreign policy to

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the White House. This was all
done in a time where the Cold War

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was really fucking tense, right after
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the late sixties. Man, it's
so funny that he just like I think

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I was four in an episode,
but like with World War One, where

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like the Germans came off as kind
of evil even though they weren't. They

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weren't any more evil than any other
countries world War One, but like they

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were like really uh pragmatically, like
just and they have like they had kind

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of like harsh justice, but they're
just like all the everything they did,

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they just like viewed it as like
pragmatism. Yeah, and that's like Kissinger's

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German and they just have like a
really dark sense of pragmatism. It's you

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got You're on a really good trail
there right now. So his realist approach

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to US international relations radically shifted,
not just the way we engage with the

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world, but the way the world
engages period. Now. This guy is

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basically the architect of opportunism. He's
the invisible hand. He's also got a

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comic book origin story, and we're
gonna get into it. We're gonna start

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talking about this guy because I think
he's an amazing figure. I don't I

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mean one that starts there. I'm
just gonna say, and we'll give the

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Florida Robin. I'm pretty sure,
pretty sure Magneto's origin story was based on

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Henry Kissinger. Magneto might be Kissinger. I'm gonna look that up. I

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did not look that up beforehand because
I just wanted it to be my theory.

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But like, I want to see
when the Magneto character was introduced.

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Uh, but yeah, I think
he Kissinger's in the Holocaust. Are kind

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of not No, No, he's
not. He's he leaves right before the

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Holocaust. Yeah, but I mean, like, I don't round the Holocaust.

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I don't think Kissinger is the Holocaust
adjacent. I don't think Magnetos inspired

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by Kissinger. I think Magnetos inspired
by that the Holocaust. Well, because

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if you look at if you look
at Kissinger's evolution, he takes what he

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sort of like like because he gets
really into American values, right, he

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really does believe that America, the
world is at its best when America is

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in charge. Like, He's not
like some frothing psychopath. He's sort of

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like a German pragmatist, which means
sort of like a pessimistic pragmatist, a

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which is which is mistaken in my
opinion, But it's sort of like he

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he experienced these horrible things as a
child, literally with the German, with

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the Nazis and you know, affecting
Jews, and then that shaped his mind

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about how you know, he maybe
doesn't want to see that sort of persecution

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ever again. But then he becomes
the monster he tries to avoid being.

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It's similar to Magneto. Yeah,
however can he Ben spoons Kissinger? Yes,

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with his hands probably, Yeah,
I mean he's not. Have you

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ever seen Kissinger? Do you know
what he looks like? Yeah, he's

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not. He's definitely struggling with his
hands to even been in the spoon older.

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Yeah, for sure, for sure. Actually, he's whole life he

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has. He was one hundred years
old when he died. Yeah. Kissinger

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was born May twenty seventh, nineteen
twenty three, in Bavaria, Germany.

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His childhood, he enjoyed playing soccer. He played for the youth team of

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Speak Fruit, which was one of
the nation's best clubs at the time.

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So he was pretty athletic as a
kid, you know. But in nineteen

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thirty three, yeah, Adolf Hitler's
election as chancellor. Oh, also,

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I heard he was a bit of
a poonhound. We'll get to that.

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That's not right now. I imagine
as a youth as well. It never

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leaves you. I don't know if
he's getting after it in his early youth,

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because he's getting pretty late bloomer's I
don't think there's a lot of time

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for him to enjoy himself in Hitler's
Germany, not when he's playing football.

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Well, in nineteen thirty three,
Hitler gets elected Chancellor of Germany, and

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that's a turning point for the Kissinger
family. During Nazi rule, Kissinger and

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his friends were like, they're like, hey, this guy seems like bad

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news. This might not be fun. Kissinger and his friend's regularly harassed and

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beaten by Hitler youth gangs. They
weren't allowed to go to watch soccer games

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anymore, pretty much participate in anything. This Holgan shit. I think the

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pope ever beat him up, probably
Benedict. Yeah, Benny, what could

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have happened? The various Catholic Benny
doesn't follow through, that's true, but

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Bavaria is like the big Catholic part
of Germany, so I don't know if

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Benedict's from there and on his way
to beat his ass he actually is like,

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I'm out, but uh yeah.
So his family flees Germany in nineteen

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thirty eight. Great time to get
out, Yeah right, great into the

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line, Yeah, and they end
up when Kissinger is like around fifteen years

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old in New York City, so
he goes to high school. He starts

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going. He has to work,
you know, just to help his family

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out living. He goes to high
school at night, works during the day.

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But after high school, Kissinger studies
accounting of the City College of New

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York and excels pretty well in academics. But his studies are interrupted because in

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early nineteen forty three he gets drafted
into the US Army and from there always

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that kind of accountant. Ah,
I never count twice Ben an autistic.

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No wait, maybe what we talk
about's a solid movie the account I've never

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seen that. All Right, Ben
Aflor has like a roovie that's kind of

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like where Yeah, but is it
the revealed that he's autistic. Well that's

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pretty apparent. Yeah, but are
all accountants kind of they should be.

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I'm not gonna trust anybody that's not
autistic. I need a hyper focus on

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numbers the guy that's stemming. Yeah, just a little bit. Yeah,

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no, I yeah, I really
like numbers Man to make that your whole

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life. Benedict was from Bavaria,
but he didn't join the Hitler Youth until

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three years after kissingered fled. So
he joined in like forty one. Yeah,

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yikes, was fourteen. I guess
it's the time to do it.

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Yeah, and if you don't then
you get beat up by them anyway,

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right, Yeah, it's not really
you don't really have a choice to one.

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But also like he was conscripted into
it, they don't really choice.

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Yeah, a lot of people in
the Joejoe anyway. Yeah, he was

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drafted into the US Army. He
went basic training in Camp Croft and Spartanburg's,

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Carolina, where he became a naturalized
US citizen. He saw combat with

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his division, and due to his
thick Bavarian accent and ability to speak German

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as his first language, he volunteered
for hazardous intelligence duties during the Battle of

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the Bulge. Yeah so this is
a crazy thing, Like he risked his

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life to fight Nazis. Yeah,
so, like, well, he's drafted,

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he had to, but he stepped
up more than just like doing what

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he you know, could do in
literally the bloodiest battle in US Army history,

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the worst, Like the worst is
fucking awful, like ba Bult just

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disgusting. It was just a huge
scale and it took you know a lot

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of a lot of casualties and stuff
like that Frozen nightmare. Yeah yeah.

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And he's running intelligence and pretending I'm
sure to be German and stuff like that.

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He's doing dangerous shit. Yeah yeah, yeah, but yeah. On

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April tenth, nineteen forty five,
he participated in the liberation of a concentration

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camp that had a pretty profound impact
on him, as I would imagine it

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does anyone. It's so funny like
liberated a concentration camp. Yeah, dude

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saw literally the worst thing you could
possibly see. Yeah, and it's his

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own people too. Yeah hey yeah, yeah, like it's it's even more

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so. And he's like, oh, Steve, I don't know if this

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is one of the ones where they
went berserker when they liberated it. What

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do you mean there's a couple of
concentration camps. We'll have to do an

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episode on the side about it where
like all the American troops are like,

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we just killed everyone there. I
remember reading about one where they damn,

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dude, why did we hit the
Jews so much? No, like we

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killed it. It just start like
we're gonna finish the job. Oh my

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god. There was one though I
read about where like American soldiers like obviously

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like the capture the Germans who were
in the concentration camp let the Jews out,

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and they were just like some of
the Jewish prisoners were like, we

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want to kill these guys, and
the Americans were like and just why watch

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them? They just sat back,
I assume, smoking cigarettes and we're just

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like watching the former Jewish prisoners like
beat Nazis to death. Wasn't Auschwitz like

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freed twice that the Russians went through
first, then we were last, but

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we still had to like there was
still like a buffer zone the amount of

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time that like there was still camping
going on. Yeah, still camping.

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Yeah, yeah, No. There's
one where I think like the Jews were

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like, can you kill them?
Like they were kind of looking around.

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They're like yeah, yeah, yeah, that's problem. Yeah, we're happy

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to do. It's the last scene
from Gloria's Bastard's Like I get chewed out

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for it. Yeah, yeah,
exactly. But yeah. So during the

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American advance into Germany, Kissinger,
through though only a pot though only a

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private, was put in charge of
the administration of the city of Krefeld because

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of a lack of German speakers on
division's intelligence staff. So with an a

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days he was able to establish an
entire civilian administration within that city too,

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so he was able to get people
to turn in quick order, with people

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into shape. He was then assigned
to the Counterintelligence Corps or the CIC,

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where he became a special agent.
He holded the enlisted rank of sergeant.

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He was given a team in Hannover
assigned to tracking down Gestapo officers and other

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saboteurs. He was very good at
this as well. He was able to

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sniff people out pretty easily, and
he was awarded the Bronze Star. I

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believe he had twelve people arrested in
total and a few executed. Gestapo.

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Who's like the worst or the worst? Yeah, absolutely fucking evil motherfuckers right

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exactly. Yeah, yeah, he
round it up a fuck ton of Gestapo.

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I think he had four executed in
total and twelve arrested, and June

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nineteen forty five he was made commandant
of the Bensheim Metro Cicee and was responsible

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for denotification of the entire district.
I will say a Gestopa though good Brandon,

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great name for like an evil group
of people. It just rolls up,

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it does. It's got like a
real I think it's the pup stop

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stop bo. I mean there's nothing, there's not a bad syllable in that.

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All angry yeah, all German,
you know. I mean I feel

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like you know, if you hear
the letters KGB and you don't know what

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the KGB is, You're like,
okay, is that like a band or

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something? But like is that like
a software company? Yeah? Like Gestapo.

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There's your mind is to me,
like, I think it's that or

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cold soup. Yeah, yeah,
that's it. But when I think about

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cold soup, I'm kind of like
Gaspacho hold on. Yeah. In nineteen

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forty six, Kissinger was reassigned to
teach at the European Command Intelligence School at

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Camp King and as a civilian employee. Following a separation from the army,

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he continued to serve in this rule
so he basically felt though all time in

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the army, he loved it because
it made him feel like he was a

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real American because he got to serve
his country. He fell in love with

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America. Yeah, really did,
was like a very I think it's so

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easy to in that situation, that
immigrant story. It is. Yeah,

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there's no convert, like, are
there no nobody? No one's more of

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a patriot than that. There's in
the moves here. They're literally the saying

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is there's no zealot like a convert. Yeah, exactly like your your people

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that convert over, it's gonna be
way more into it. Yeah, a

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willing convert, right, Well,
yeah, you imagined forced converts or zealots

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up, you know, after they
put the put me to the sword.

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I really believed in my mom at
the sword actor like yeah, yeah,

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hell yeah, yeah, we go. I'm actually I really buy it now.

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I mean that's how the sword works. I'd rather I'd rather run through

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a brick wall than then get my
head cut off. You know that's true.

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We had a Iraqi lift driver on
the way to the UFC who was

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awesome because he knew he was like
deep into the UFC. Yeah, Mma,

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knew everything, and he was like, yeah, man, I'm just

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tired of all this woke shit going
on in our country. Oh yeah,

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brother, Oh yeah, like what
we hated? Bro? What what woke

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shit? In particular? That pretty
much how Rob said it. I hate

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the bro. I hated bro,
these woke motherfuckers. What if you just

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like knew his audience? You know
what I mean? You fucking you're with

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He's like he like looks back and
he's like, Okay, I don't know

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what to talk about. You're going
to fight, man, I love fights.

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Do you see Donald Trump at the
fight? I hate on this walk?

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Shit, Bro, you know fucking
sucks man. I love America.

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Yell, Koby's going to kick the
ship out of Leon. Yeah, there's

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woke motherfuckers. They could never watch
you see. But then like a couple

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like twee little Austin girls get in
and he's like, how are you.

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I'm very happy to have you,
you know, very happy, and they're

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like, oh my gosh, you
an immigrant. Yes, it's very hard

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to live here. All the white
people they hurt me. They are the

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words are worst. They're worse than
the bombs. Interrupt. Dude, You've

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done three minutes uninterrupted of this guy
now, and I'm telling you it's like

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dead on. Yeah, I think
you're in the car. If the guy

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knows. Dan's gotta be a wild
card though, right, you think like

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Dan Hopson, You're like all right, tank top, blonde hair, bleach

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blonde. But wait, said ju
jitsu was gay? What? I don't

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bruh hit how woke? Gay sex
is? No? I want gay sex

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to be painful again. Yes,
no lubricants, lubricant just woke. Yes,

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dip me five stars, good,
five star, five star, No

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lubricants. Oh pardon me. I'm
also uh for everyone at home. I

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am seven days nicotine free. What
why he need? Got sick? But

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you have a vape right there?
That's pot all right? Sweet? Oh

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sure that's all I got I'm only
allowed to vape, pot are you?

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Are you sure not sick because you're
not getting enough nicotine? Yeah, I

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got sick. And then I just
was, well, you know, when

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you get sick, you're like I
don't really want to smoke or hit this

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vape or whatever, like because my
lungs hurt, so just stop. And

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it's like, well why why not
just stop? You know, and now

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I'm gonna be sick forever. Yeah, it's gonna be cool. Yeah,

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like if I stop drinking. At
this point, I was reading though,

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actually, uh, like vapes,
not cigarettes. Vapes like people that use

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those regularly have like twice the susceptibility
to anxiety and depression. Good, but

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not cigarettes, which which makes sense
and I agree with that wall. Why

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does it make sense because cigarettes are
dope? Yeah sure, yes, no,

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that's because cigarettes are good for you. Yeah. But also everybody that's

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coming up in this generation that vapes
is told they have aggression or anxiety problem.

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That's probably you know, but also
no, I think it's something to

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do. Just singer. I'm gonna
just inside hit my little tobacco pen.

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Yeah yeah, there's no and then
me blow it down my shirt. Cinna

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and sees I don't want to make
anyone upset. Actually, honestly, a

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reason that it might cause anxiety is
because like or more anxiety or whatever is

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because like it's you can have it
whenever you want, that's right, And

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when you can't have it whenever you
want, it freaks you the fuck out

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right. Whereas a cigarette you do
have to go outside. You have to

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go outside. Yeah, you have
to go outside and smoke it, yep,

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or be somewhere where you can smoke
it. And jake not to make

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you feel more anxious, but anytime
you suffer anxiety, it makes me hate

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you. Actually makes me want to
be more anxious. I know, getting

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a ridic it's actually really weirdly calming
me to know that my anxiety pisses him

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off. Yeah, but I'm soothing
you. I'm healing you. I don't

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like it, but yeah, it's
working. You're welcome. Did you just

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fix me? I think I did? Damn I just fixed this country.

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Well anyway, after the war here
and his Bachelor of Arts and Political Science

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represent great degree. Everyone should get
one of those degrees. They're really Yeah,

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just I got a dust off that
old lap coat one day and get

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back in your but uh yeah.
He graduated from Harvard College in nineteen fifty.

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His senior undergraduate thesis was titled The
Meaning of History, Reflections on Spangler,

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Toynbe, and Kant, was over
four hundred pages long for a senior

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undergrad thesis. He wrote a book, and he was the origin of the

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current limit on length at Harvard a
thesis that is supposed to be like how

405
00:27:15,039 --> 00:27:18,039
long. Typically, I don't think
for an undergrad thesis, you're writing a

406
00:27:18,079 --> 00:27:22,839
four hundred page paper. Yeah,
it's like I've read thesises and shit like

407
00:27:22,839 --> 00:27:25,880
that for this show, because sometimes
there are not a lot of good sources

408
00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:30,400
beyond some fucking nerd college kid who
wrote about it. It's funny that Henry

409
00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:33,880
kissing you. I don't know if
that's like says something about him and who

410
00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:37,480
he thinks he is and has always
thought he was, or if he's just

411
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like, I don't know, overachiever, my just being like the meaning of

412
00:27:41,839 --> 00:27:48,599
history, well my borderline the meaning
of life? Yeah, I mean it's

413
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:52,039
pretty much the largest swath of a
topic you can pick for an undergrad a

414
00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:53,480
thesis. That's why it was four
hundred pages long, probably, but also

415
00:27:53,559 --> 00:27:59,599
like my note here is nerd.
Yeah, you made Harvard Institute a limit

416
00:27:59,759 --> 00:28:03,440
on how long undergraduate thesis could be. Right, that's silly. Well,

417
00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:06,559
honestly I respect him. Maybe he's
maybe he realized that it didn't have to

418
00:28:06,559 --> 00:28:08,119
be good, he just needed a
volume. Shoot, he's like, I'm

419
00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:11,359
covering it all. Maybe right,
tell me I'm wrong. It's harder to

420
00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:17,000
write last it is to be succinct. Brevity is the soul of wit.

421
00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:22,240
That's you know, they could have
made that. What is it? Why

422
00:28:22,279 --> 00:28:27,000
do why use many word when few
word do? Trick? Yeah? Yeah?

423
00:28:27,079 --> 00:28:30,599
Is that like new age Mark Twain? Yeah? Uh. But it

424
00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:37,799
was his doctoral dissertation titled Peace,
Legitis, Legitimacy, and Equilibrium that set

425
00:28:37,839 --> 00:28:41,079
the stage for al Kissinger would influence
global politics than most. It's a study

426
00:28:41,079 --> 00:28:45,640
on the history of power play between
European states in the nineteenth century. So

427
00:28:45,759 --> 00:28:49,000
pretty interesting topic already. Uh.
In it, he first introduced the concept

428
00:28:49,079 --> 00:28:59,079
of legitimacy, which he defined as
legitimacy here should not be confused with justice.

429
00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:03,920
Legitimacy does not justice. It means
no more than an international agreement about

430
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:08,440
the nature of workable arrangements and about
the permissible aims and methods of foreign policy.

431
00:29:10,319 --> 00:29:11,960
That should all just be spoken in
a German accent, because that is

432
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:15,240
the most German thing I've ever heard. Do you know, do you want

433
00:29:15,279 --> 00:29:18,200
to take a stab at what he's
saying, because I have a little breakdown

434
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:21,960
of what he's trying to get at
there. Say it again, real quick,

435
00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:26,559
it's quickly quickly just doing Legitimacy is
used here, should not be confused

436
00:29:26,599 --> 00:29:30,799
with justice. It means no more
than an international agreement about the nature of

437
00:29:30,839 --> 00:29:36,079
workable arrangements and about the permissible aims
and methods of foreign policy. Yeah,

438
00:29:36,119 --> 00:29:37,839
he's just trying to cut deals.
It sounds like you just got to do

439
00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:42,640
what you gotta do to keep things
going. Yes, exactly, just saying

440
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:49,519
stuff. He's a podcaster. He
kind of kind like word vomit until But

441
00:29:49,599 --> 00:29:55,160
no, it actually is really important
what he's saying. It's power dynamics exist,

442
00:29:55,200 --> 00:30:00,039
whether or not they are just if
all powers agree something is so,

443
00:30:00,079 --> 00:30:03,039
then it is. As long as
the decision makers in the major states we're

444
00:30:03,039 --> 00:30:08,400
willing to accept an international order,
then the order is legitimate. Questions of

445
00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:14,119
public opinion and morality could be dismissed
as irrelevant if everyone agrees the action is

446
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:18,480
legitimate. It doesn't matter what morality
is or what opinion is. And this

447
00:30:18,559 --> 00:30:23,039
gets even a little deeper, which
is it doesn't matter what your ideology is.

448
00:30:23,079 --> 00:30:27,000
If we can all agree, it's
really you got to think about the

449
00:30:27,079 --> 00:30:32,640
way countries are interacting with each other. A lot of the time are like,

450
00:30:32,799 --> 00:30:34,960
all right, well, I'd really
like to work with them to get

451
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:38,519
this done, but our ideologies don't
match, so we're not going to interact.

452
00:30:40,279 --> 00:30:42,240
That is a huge barrier to global
peace over like, hey, we

453
00:30:42,319 --> 00:30:48,759
all want to kind of get certain
things done, right, But then proceeded

454
00:30:48,799 --> 00:30:56,480
to take a giant chunk of his
career and battle communism, Well, communists

455
00:30:56,480 --> 00:31:00,039
who wouldn't work with him kind of
if you think think about it, is

456
00:31:00,079 --> 00:31:04,960
he fighting Communism or is he just
hooking up Russia? Or is he just

457
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:11,519
fighting for America. There's a difference. There's a big difference in that.

458
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:18,960
But anyway, ultimately, that kind
of legitimacy, that thesis that serves as

459
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:23,440
the foundation for Kissinger's version of real
politique policies. According to him, his

460
00:31:23,599 --> 00:31:26,680
role as a statesman, and the
role of a statesman in general, is

461
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:33,640
to recognize the real relationship of forces
and to make this knowledge serve his ends.

462
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:37,480
Is not about everyone getting along,
It's not about any oh. He

463
00:31:37,519 --> 00:31:41,759
just wants to read the terrain and
get the best get the best landing spot

464
00:31:41,799 --> 00:31:45,279
he can for the United States.
Serving your ends is the key piece of

465
00:31:45,319 --> 00:31:48,400
that quote. As a statesman,
your goal is to promote your country's self

466
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:52,079
interest, bar none, even over
ideology, no matter what, like if

467
00:31:52,119 --> 00:31:55,640
it doesn't matter if you have to
sell your soul to get it. The

468
00:31:55,839 --> 00:31:59,599
end result needs to be net positive
for your kid and justifies it means exactly.

469
00:31:59,839 --> 00:32:01,880
That is real politique. Yeah,
And it's understanding who's at the table,

470
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:05,160
what they want, and how you
can make that work in the most

471
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:07,720
peaceful way possible and in a pragmatic
way without letting your ideologies get in the

472
00:32:07,759 --> 00:32:12,200
way of it. So one thing
I think with Kissinger certainly, and probably

473
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:15,960
with a lot of people, I
like to consider myself pretty pragmatic, like

474
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:22,240
support her of like pragmatic solutions to
things domestically and globally. But a lot

475
00:32:22,279 --> 00:32:25,319
of people just in general, you
know what I mean, Like the same

476
00:32:25,359 --> 00:32:31,799
way people conflate pessimism with realism.
Yeah, people conflate pragmatism pessimism with pragmatism.

477
00:32:32,079 --> 00:32:36,519
Oh, they're very different, I
know. But people or people people

478
00:32:36,559 --> 00:32:42,599
think that pragmatism maybe has to lean
pessimistically, you know what I mean.

479
00:32:43,119 --> 00:32:46,519
It has a negative connotation, right, say, only because it's not like

480
00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:51,240
perfect. I guess, well,
yeah, I think. Well when we

481
00:32:51,279 --> 00:32:54,480
talk about people that probably have no
idea anything about Kissinger that are saying like,

482
00:32:54,519 --> 00:32:57,160
oh, man, fuck him,
I hope you rots in hell,

483
00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:59,960
which there are a lot of great
reasons to say that about Henry Kissinger,

484
00:33:00,119 --> 00:33:06,200
there are thousands of them, But
to say it about his policies, it's

485
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:09,680
like, well, you gotta understand
what the world was like right after World

486
00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:15,599
War Two too. It's like you
have a bunch of just emerging superpowers in

487
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:19,160
the world. Basically, you have
very prominent ones, and there's a lot

488
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:22,559
of chaos and flux in the way
different countries are interacting with each other.

489
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:25,319
You don't really have time to like, it would feel really good if they

490
00:33:25,359 --> 00:33:30,279
were pro democracy. These people we
need help from, but I don't really

491
00:33:30,279 --> 00:33:32,000
give a shit. We need to
make sure we're looking out for our shit,

492
00:33:32,359 --> 00:33:37,519
right. That's how things operate that
and that's how we've operated up until

493
00:33:37,559 --> 00:33:43,279
probably the last twenty years ten.
Well, he actually was not a fan

494
00:33:43,319 --> 00:33:47,359
of invading Iranq or Afghanistan. No, he wasn't, because it's a stupid

495
00:33:47,359 --> 00:33:52,519
thing to do. Yeah, he's
quoted saying that basically the big dumb realization

496
00:33:52,599 --> 00:33:58,000
that no one had was that even
if you hold Afghanistan, you only hold

497
00:33:58,039 --> 00:34:00,279
it as soon as you leave,
it's just going to be a bunch of

498
00:34:00,319 --> 00:34:04,880
regional factions fighting for Well, if
he was so pragmatic too, he probably

499
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:09,519
realized that Suddam Hussein, no matter
how terrible he was, had control of

500
00:34:09,519 --> 00:34:15,679
that region, and like, shit
wasn't popping off, right, Yeah,

501
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:19,519
Like he at least, you know, disagree with him all you want.

502
00:34:19,559 --> 00:34:22,719
He is at least a constant Yeah, and the variables. That's kind of

503
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:25,519
the problem in the Middle East right
now, is because like there's just so

504
00:34:25,679 --> 00:34:29,880
much random kids still unsettled. We're
still trying to figure out a new order

505
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:34,400
power vacuum, right, And like
he well, that's what Kissinger cracks me

506
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:37,960
up about this, because specifically about
Afghanistan, he was like, no matter

507
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:40,039
what, if someone comes in there
and takes it over, as soon as

508
00:34:40,039 --> 00:34:43,880
they leave, it just goes back
to the normal shit. Their status quo

509
00:34:44,079 --> 00:34:46,440
is a bunch of people fighting,
yeah, internally over this space. Yeah,

510
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:50,039
so oh wait, you came in
and you hold it. It's probably

511
00:34:50,039 --> 00:34:53,280
not even right to think about Afghanistan
as Afghanistan. No, it's it's not,

512
00:34:54,119 --> 00:34:59,440
it's hardly that. It's really it's
a place that no one can hold,

513
00:34:59,559 --> 00:35:02,679
right. Yeah, but as you
know, a national government of some

514
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:08,079
sort. Yeah, no, it's
like they are the red storm. And

515
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:12,119
if Jupiter is the Middle East,
like they're the red storm. It's like

516
00:35:12,159 --> 00:35:15,119
it's constantly in flux and crazy.
But it's I know, it's the red

517
00:35:15,159 --> 00:35:20,800
storm. You know, that's Afghanistan. But yeah. Kissinger's approach was so

518
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:23,079
radical to foreign policy because it was
not dictated by a fixed set of rules,

519
00:35:23,119 --> 00:35:30,159
but instead it's goal oriented. So
real politic is ordered towards the most

520
00:35:30,159 --> 00:35:35,400
practical means of securing national interests,
and it often deals compromising on ideological principles.

521
00:35:35,559 --> 00:35:37,079
It's the most important thing. Like
for example, during the Cold War,

522
00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:45,119
the US often supported authoritarian regimes that
were humans rights violators to secure theoretically

523
00:35:45,159 --> 00:35:49,400
greater national interest or regional stability.
There was a funny thing I read about

524
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:52,880
that once. It was just like
a general saying I think in the state

525
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:58,599
department or something during that time period
where they're basically like I mean, because

526
00:35:58,679 --> 00:36:01,440
look like we in a lot of
those like Central and South American situations,

527
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:05,639
like our guy was a piece of
shit. Yeah, but the other guy

528
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:07,639
was also a piece of shit.
They're all pieces of shit like it wasn't

529
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:10,119
you know what I mean? Like
the other side of the coin is like

530
00:36:10,199 --> 00:36:15,679
chaykavera. Sure, I mean,
but so that's saying was he's the son

531
00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:16,760
of a bitch, but he's our
son of Yeah, yeah, exactly.

532
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:23,719
Like it's I think it's hard to
look past the nation building sentiment of a

533
00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:30,559
lot of the Central and South American
stuff, Like I mean, we kind

534
00:36:30,559 --> 00:36:35,840
of put Pinochet and power in Chile
and that's a nightmare, like over democratically

535
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:42,719
elected person. Yeah, but the
demically democratically elected person is you know,

536
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:46,559
a Marxist and that could be a
beach front for the Soviets. Right,

537
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:51,840
So what's our ideology here, Well, in real politique, it's you know,

538
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:57,199
okay, yeah, maybe great that
we're champions of democracy, but we're

539
00:36:57,199 --> 00:37:00,519
also America and we give a fuck
about American interest more that we care about

540
00:37:00,559 --> 00:37:05,559
our relagi. Yeah, so we're
gonna take out that Marxist because he could

541
00:37:05,559 --> 00:37:09,239
help out Russia. He's indirect opposition
of us. Fuck communism, that's just

542
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:15,159
red or blue, like they want
to overpower us. We're America. We

543
00:37:15,199 --> 00:37:16,920
need to act in self interest.
Fuck democracy for this matter. And also

544
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:20,920
that was a little bit of a
Monroe doctrine in there as well. Oh

545
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:23,280
yeah, it's totally. It's part
of that. I think it's interesting too,

546
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:27,800
where it's like a lot of his
thesis comes from, like you talked

547
00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:30,960
about it earlier though, like Hitler
youth beating him up. Yeah, and

548
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:37,280
it's like he's like I think a
very famous quote about Hitler's Germany comes from

549
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:42,559
Kissinger. It's like it was an
incredibly ordered system. They were very orderly

550
00:37:42,639 --> 00:37:46,079
country. They just weren't just ye. But again, that's a difference between

551
00:37:46,119 --> 00:37:49,159
like having a lot of order and
having a lot of justice is where we

552
00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:53,199
are trying to spend. So Kissinger's
uncle Ben with great power from the great

553
00:37:53,239 --> 00:38:00,119
responsibility. I guess maybe then he's
just like responsible. He's like America or

554
00:38:00,199 --> 00:38:04,960
or the police pretty much. I
mean, it's like all of it's for

555
00:38:05,039 --> 00:38:08,639
America at the end of the day, probably for him too. Yeah,

556
00:38:08,639 --> 00:38:12,920
because he's because he's American, right, But I mean, yeah, he's

557
00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:16,280
an opportunist as well. I'd say, was he involved in Iran and Iran

558
00:38:17,079 --> 00:38:21,679
ran contre or the Iran Iraq war? Dude, He's involved in everything.

559
00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:24,880
Yeah, even he was out of
office after Ford, Like once Carter got

560
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:30,679
into office, he was gone.
Anything that happened under Nixon, Ford or

561
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:37,719
Reagan was Kissinger was involved and Bush
one actually a Bush one and Clinton and

562
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:42,320
Obama and Biden. I don't think
he has anything to do with Trump,

563
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:46,559
but Hillary would have been using real
for sure. Well Hillary would have been

564
00:38:46,599 --> 00:38:51,639
using Kissinger directly as council as well. Really yeah, absolutely, dude,

565
00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:55,800
Like she she is a huge fan
of Henry Kissinger. This this guy is

566
00:38:55,960 --> 00:39:00,719
beyond. That was the funniest part
about when week when Trump came plemoney or

567
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:02,440
whatever, people were like, oh, world work. I was like,

568
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:07,320
dude, Hillary Clinton wand done that
shit? Oh absolutely anyone that like so

569
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:10,880
many presidents, Clinton loves bombit ship. Yeah, wasn't there in the interview

570
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:15,559
where she's like, we got that
bitch about Solomony? Yeah? Yeah,

571
00:39:15,599 --> 00:39:19,960
probably she was the one. If
you remember when killing Bin Laden, she

572
00:39:20,199 --> 00:39:27,599
was just like nuke the side from
orbit, Like like Hillary's kind of sick.

573
00:39:27,639 --> 00:39:30,440
Sometimes you forget that, Like like
she was like, vomit. Just

574
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:34,480
she's kind of a gangster. Yeah, she was like it just the worst

575
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:37,880
ways. But yeah no, but
like that's that mentality of fuck it lighted

576
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:42,199
up. That is real politique,
that is. But she didn't even want

577
00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:45,079
to send Seals in. She was
like, fuck it, We'll just tell

578
00:39:45,119 --> 00:39:47,039
him he was there because it's him, we know it's or we're pretty sure

579
00:39:47,079 --> 00:39:51,199
it's him. Just light it up
from the sky. Biden was like,

580
00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:57,000
don't send anyone in or vomit blah
blah blah uh. And then Obama kind

581
00:39:57,000 --> 00:40:00,440
of I guess split the difference between
his two highest ranking Yeah, I guess

582
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:02,880
he was like, we're going to
do a heist. Yeah, We're going

583
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:08,039
to do a siege. But yeah, so kissing Ernes stuff, some good

584
00:40:08,079 --> 00:40:12,800
drowne foot, the good drum stuff. Kissinger became a foreign policy advisor,

585
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:16,119
though because he wanted to have greater
influence on US foreign policy, he joined

586
00:40:16,119 --> 00:40:21,840
the presidential campaign of Nelson Rockefeller,
supporting his bids for the Republican nomination in

587
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:29,079
sixty sixty four and sixty eight During
the Republican primaries and sixty eight, Kissinger

588
00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:34,840
served as foreign policy advisor to Rockefeller, and in July nineteen sixty eight,

589
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:37,199
he called Nixon the most dangerous of
all men running to have as president.

590
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:40,920
That's funny. Yeah, but this
shows you how much of an opportunity is

591
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:45,360
because did he mean it? Did
he mean it? No, he's campaigning,

592
00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:49,639
bro Because after Nixon became president in
January nineteen sixty nine, Kissinger was

593
00:40:49,639 --> 00:40:52,679
appointed as National Security Advisor. Yeah. Like, it's fucking I can't even

594
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:57,679
I hate campaigns. Yeah, it's
like, you know, Ted Cruz.

595
00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:01,639
One week, Trump conn his wife
and dog. The next week he's picking

596
00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:07,039
up phones for Trump. Dude.
Yeah, that's the saddest thing I've ever

597
00:41:07,079 --> 00:41:12,840
seen with the boys. Can just
not don't help him, you can just

598
00:41:13,039 --> 00:41:16,320
like it's just you just not how
do you? Is there anyone cool in

599
00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:21,440
politics? Everyone just feel like just
to get into that profession. George Santos

600
00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:23,920
is gone, so it's over.
Yeah, no, I promise you.

601
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:27,239
In like a year, Nathan Fielder
is gonna be like, oh, check

602
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:30,440
out my new show that we did, and it's him and George Santos,

603
00:41:30,559 --> 00:41:36,440
Like long con it's the funniest thing
that's ever happened in politics to me.

604
00:41:36,559 --> 00:41:37,679
The guy was just like, you
know what, I'm gonna just keep lying

605
00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:43,599
until they want to go out,
and he got so far. Like he

606
00:41:43,599 --> 00:41:46,719
he became a policy maker just by
lying about everything. Incredible. I was

607
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:51,000
funny. A bunch of people online
were like, I guess it's like a

608
00:41:51,079 --> 00:41:52,960
meme that's just like, be gay, do crime, and they're like,

609
00:41:53,079 --> 00:41:57,920
Oh, all of a sudden,
because it's a Republican I'm not supposed to

610
00:41:57,960 --> 00:42:01,639
be gay and do crime anymore.
Pretty funny. Did you see the diva

611
00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:05,960
down shirt I sent you? Yeah, gone but not forgotten. Yeah,

612
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:08,199
it's so good. Uh but yeah. He was one of the most important

613
00:42:08,239 --> 00:42:13,159
theorists about foreign policy ever to be
produced by the United States of America.

614
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:15,039
Who could be more important? Yeah? Well, you know, just a

615
00:42:15,119 --> 00:42:20,559
year later he was expanding the footprint
of the Vietnam War into Southeast Asia at

616
00:42:20,639 --> 00:42:23,800
large with uh, you know,
secret carpet bombing campaigns of Cambodia. How

617
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:28,280
do you secretly carpet bomb or something? You just do it? No,

618
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:30,719
you say you're flying in you say
you're in Vietnam when you're bombing and you're

619
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:34,480
bombing in Cambodia. Yeah, well, and I don't know. It's all

620
00:42:34,519 --> 00:42:37,239
a jungle, you know, they
don't. You don't see the lines from

621
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:42,840
the sky. You don't. That's
you know, that's that's kind of it,

622
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:44,800
right, Like, oh is that
what I said? I mean you

623
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:47,119
didn't see that. But like,
which is funny because that excuse doesn't fly

624
00:42:47,159 --> 00:42:51,760
anymore because you can't know. Yeah, with the computers, they yeah,

625
00:42:52,159 --> 00:42:55,039
yeah, it would be funny if
they drove just chalk so you know,

626
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:58,800
kind of smudge. Yeah, that's
true. If it rains, and it

627
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:00,800
rains a lot, it rains a
lot. Aaron in the jungles No,

628
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:06,440
but I mean, of course everyone
knows he carpet bombed Cambodia because everyone just

629
00:43:06,599 --> 00:43:07,960
throws out that Anthony Bourdin quote.
I was about to say, yes.

630
00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:13,960
TV chef Anthony Boardaine famously wrote,
once you've been to Cambodia, you'll never

631
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:16,239
stop wanting to beat Henry Kissinger to
death with your bare hands. Yeah.

632
00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:21,880
Well, Kissinger outlived him. Suck
it, Kissing. You outlived a lot

633
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:27,519
of people. He outlived several contemporaries
just this week. Yeah, didn't he

634
00:43:27,559 --> 00:43:30,639
beat Rosslyn Carter and Rock and Carter
died first. I think Russelling Carter might

635
00:43:30,639 --> 00:43:32,320
have died for it. It was
Carter died first. Carter died first.

636
00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:37,199
Great, okay, but Santad O'Connor
died after. Jimmy outlives them all.

637
00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:42,880
Yeah, Jimmy' immortal. He's a
peanut farmer. Jimmy's gonna outlive us.

638
00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:45,519
Jimmy was the one term president.
Correct, Yes, yeah, one term

639
00:43:45,519 --> 00:43:49,679
presidents don't have that much stress to
deal with, right, except for I

640
00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:54,039
mean, didn't do great, But
I feel it wasn't a bad guy.

641
00:43:54,079 --> 00:43:57,480
I feel like he gets a lot
of unnecessary hate. It doesn't need to

642
00:43:57,519 --> 00:43:59,880
be hated. Look, I tried
his best. All I know is he

643
00:44:00,039 --> 00:44:05,400
legalized micro brewing. That's pretty chill. He also saw some alien shit.

644
00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:08,480
He definitely saw some alien and I
also feel like the hostage situation, they

645
00:44:08,559 --> 00:44:10,960
kind of like waited for breaking to
get an office, Yes, to get

646
00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:14,920
a dub. Yes, So Jimmy, Jimmy was kind of the scapegoat for

647
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:20,559
that. Yeah, totally. Yeah. But basically he gave the message to

648
00:44:20,599 --> 00:44:23,760
shoot anything in Cambodia that flies or
moves. The showing of that region would

649
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:27,920
destabilize it enough to pave the way
for Polepot, one of the worst genocides

650
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:31,079
of the twentieth century. Yes,
now, not necessarily in Kissinger's defense,

651
00:44:31,119 --> 00:44:35,480
but the the North, I want
to hear it. Yeah, I want

652
00:44:35,519 --> 00:44:37,840
to say the North Vietnamese and Vietnong
were moving through camp, moving shit through

653
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:42,960
Cambodia. Yes they were. They
were absolutely breaking the rules of war whatever

654
00:44:43,039 --> 00:44:47,400
and war crime. They're committing war
crimes by using Cambodia and Laos to move

655
00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:51,079
And that's why we bombed it,
right or less, Like he wasn't just

656
00:44:51,119 --> 00:44:53,920
like, hey, while we're at
it, fuck Cambodia, right, No,

657
00:44:54,039 --> 00:44:57,280
that's what people think. It's funny, like they think it's like,

658
00:44:57,400 --> 00:45:00,519
oh, you know, it's all
jungle, right, like bomb at all,

659
00:45:00,639 --> 00:45:05,480
fuck them, like we just like
the Vietcong. And it was done

660
00:45:05,519 --> 00:45:07,199
to try to like there was there
was a there was a pragmatic reason for

661
00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:10,280
it. Yes, there was a
reason. This dude is a piece of

662
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:14,760
ship, but he doesn't do things
erroneously. It wasn't what I mean,

663
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:19,519
it wasn't because he was like fuck
Cambodia in particular today, because they were

664
00:45:19,599 --> 00:45:22,280
moving supply lines through there. At
least they believe they were. I think

665
00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:25,880
they were they fucking were Absolutely,
there was just like a really bad storm

666
00:45:27,199 --> 00:45:30,400
that was brewing up in that jungle, so he just nuked it, you

667
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:35,239
know, just like Trump wined this
bomb hurricane. It's funny you mentioned that,

668
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:39,119
because he was a big proponent of
using tactical nukes early to just end

669
00:45:39,159 --> 00:45:44,360
wars immediately. He's like, which
is very pragmatic, too pragmatic. It's

670
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:46,000
a little too pragmatic. I mean
that's but that was never gonna fly.

671
00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:52,360
Uh yeah, no, because I
mean someone MacArthur had already argued to try

672
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:54,000
to do that. In the Korean
War. He tried to get Truman to

673
00:45:55,000 --> 00:46:00,039
essentially nuke the border between North Korea
and China so I couldn't send troops,

674
00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:02,840
so not even didn't even want to. I mean, people would have died,

675
00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:06,559
I assumed. But he wasn't trying
to nuke populations even He just wanted

676
00:46:06,599 --> 00:46:10,039
to radiate the borders parallel. Yeah, right, right right. And Truman,

677
00:46:10,159 --> 00:46:14,679
who fortunately, even though he had
that hilarious scene in Oppenheimer and when

678
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:16,719
he did this in real life where
he's like, what you said, are

679
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:20,559
you shit, I'm the one that
made the call. You just made the

680
00:46:20,599 --> 00:46:25,199
stupid bomb, Like but he Truman
was actually like pretty pissed or like Truman

681
00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:29,920
was eventually like, I can't We're
not dropping another one. Like in World

682
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:31,440
War Two. He was like that's
enough, civilians, like, that's we're

683
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:35,719
not doing it again. And then
I think it did still weigh on him

684
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:37,719
a little, like he knew he
had to do it, but he was

685
00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:42,079
still like, I'm not gonna just
toss these fuckers around. Yeah, come

686
00:46:42,119 --> 00:46:45,159
on. Yeah. And so when
MacArthur, who, by the way,

687
00:46:45,119 --> 00:46:50,559
was like during the Korean War,
like imagine like you already a Hall of

688
00:46:50,559 --> 00:46:53,559
Famer is active on your team,
He's like, but Caarthur for the Americans

689
00:46:53,559 --> 00:46:57,079
in the Korean Wars, like Lebron
on the Lakers, right, it's like

690
00:46:57,119 --> 00:47:00,440
a living legend, you know,
he's a Hall of Famer. Well you

691
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:04,559
did get fired, so yeah,
and so it's like, but that's a

692
00:47:04,559 --> 00:47:07,400
big guy to say no to h
and Truman said no to and fired him.

693
00:47:07,679 --> 00:47:10,760
Yeah, that'd be like the Lakers
being like, man, it's not

694
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:15,440
where, this isn't worth it,
Lebron, get the fuck out. They'll

695
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:19,599
get to that point it's worth it. They will should, Yeah, he

696
00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:22,400
obviously, you know. Okay,
So Cambodia the awful, right, that's

697
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:28,039
terrible, but not without his own
reasons. There are reasons he did that.

698
00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:31,480
Also, he would facilitate the meeting
of Nixon and Mause Dong in seventy

699
00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:36,800
two, which opened diplomatic relations between
China and the US, essentially boxing Russia

700
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:40,039
out of strong arming or a strong
like outing in the East. Really like,

701
00:47:40,119 --> 00:47:45,559
we boxed Russia out of a China
Russia relationship and kind of then pitted

702
00:47:45,639 --> 00:47:47,760
China and Russia against each Yeah,
which was perfect? How perfect? In

703
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:51,320
the Cold War? Quite a bit? Yeah, I mean because oh wait,

704
00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:55,719
hear me out. Has Kissinger actually
saved more lives with the amount of

705
00:47:55,760 --> 00:48:00,280
medicine we get from China and forget
those we don't even go that far.

706
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:07,920
Has Kissinger saved lives by preventing a
Great Powers war Russia China teaming up against

707
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:12,599
the US against NATO world, Yeah, for sure. Yeah, it's hard

708
00:48:12,639 --> 00:48:15,159
to prove a negative, you can't. But he opened those relations with China.

709
00:48:15,719 --> 00:48:20,320
We obviously open trade with them,
go back and forth. I think

710
00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:22,079
we get like ninety five percent of
our medication from China. Well, the

711
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:27,519
talk to like for instance, again
a perfect example of real Poltique. It's

712
00:48:27,559 --> 00:48:30,760
like, we ideologically do not agree
with China. I get all. Yeah,

713
00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:34,599
no, we for a very long
time before this, we didn't even

714
00:48:34,719 --> 00:48:37,159
talk to him nicer when they come, Yeah, clean up the streets to

715
00:48:37,199 --> 00:48:42,760
San Francisco. But uh, you
know, we put all that shit aside

716
00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:45,920
so that Russia wouldn't have a very
strong strategic ally in the East. I

717
00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:49,760
think China I read. I forget
who the quote was. It might have

718
00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:53,280
been from Mao or maybe the guy
right after Mao, but it was essentially

719
00:48:53,320 --> 00:48:58,760
like they we're talking about from their
end, weighing who to kind of lean

720
00:48:58,840 --> 00:49:00,679
towards more of the Soviets for the
US, and they were just like they

721
00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:06,360
just looked at the world and they
were like, everyone who's more chill with

722
00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:13,679
America has more money, yeah,
and gets richer, and everyone who sides

723
00:49:13,719 --> 00:49:20,400
with the Soviets has been a gray
everyone who's everyone who sides with the Soviets

724
00:49:20,519 --> 00:49:25,599
country ends in stan right and don't
colorless prison. Yeah, like they like

725
00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:30,599
very clearly like saw they were like, hmm, everyone doing business with the

726
00:49:30,679 --> 00:49:34,440
United States, more money and resources
flows into their country and they get more

727
00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:37,880
power, so they just play both
sides. Yeah, there's also a real

728
00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:43,800
politique with like baby warm, I
already hate it. There's a realist way

729
00:49:44,079 --> 00:49:46,039
of how we won the Cold War
as well, which is, you know,

730
00:49:46,719 --> 00:49:51,360
we can just let our culture win, which it did easily did.

731
00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:54,599
Yeah, it's like, hey,
who wants do we all want cold war

732
00:49:54,840 --> 00:49:59,960
ship from Russia? Oh? Man, we want McDonald's, or you want

733
00:50:00,039 --> 00:50:02,559
one of the fucking despot The only
thing you couldn't get was like, oh,

734
00:50:02,639 --> 00:50:07,800
we can't get really good caviar.
Oh no, everyone loves caviar.

735
00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:10,440
Yeah, right, versus like that. People are just like blue jeens.

736
00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:14,400
That is still, by the way, when people get worried about China or

737
00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:17,800
whatever, that's still America's biggest weapons, bigger than all of our nukes combined.

738
00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:22,559
Oh our culture absolutely, yeah yeah, what in China is popular anywhere

739
00:50:22,559 --> 00:50:25,880
in the world. So NBA is
more popular in China than a Chinese thing

740
00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:31,800
is popular anywhere on top. All
right, tiktoks fair, tiktoks fair.

741
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:36,639
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won a share of the Nobel Prize
for Negotiatings for negotiating the ceasefire in Vietnam

899
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in seventy three, which is insane. His Northern Vietnamese counterpart, who also

900
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won that, Leducto, refused the
award. That's funny because they were like,

901
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we started it. Yeah, what
do you mean do you mean we're

902
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giving me this? Laeductoe is like, I'm not accepting that, and arap

903
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No Kissinger accepted it. He's like, yeah, hell yeah, he's stacking

904
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trophies. It is widely considered the
most controversial Nobel Prize ever awarded. That

905
01:00:45,519 --> 01:00:50,599
can't be right. There's definitely worse. I'll just look up a list real

906
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quick. There's also the one that
Obama got for no reason. Did the

907
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refused one, had the refuse one, But he did win one. I

908
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believe he did so. Yeah,
but I don't think it was controversial at

909
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the time, like this was controversial
at the time it was given. I

910
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mean, I don't know who would
you rather have? Hitler Kissinger. Oh

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man, there's some well some gnarly
well you know Noble. Noble is the

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inventor of dynamite. Yeah, yeah, and so there's so I'm just a

913
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lot of railroads are built with that
dynamite. Yeah, I probably save lives.

914
01:01:23,159 --> 01:01:25,880
He's kind of a boner. I'm
looking at the most controversial ones.

915
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The first one on the list is
Obama, and that's more so because he

916
01:01:30,239 --> 01:01:34,480
got in O nine and hadn't done
fucking anything it. Yeah, him getting

917
01:01:34,480 --> 01:01:37,519
elected was the thing, right,
This one is pretty egregious. Yassir era

918
01:01:37,599 --> 01:01:44,519
fat oh Yasir Arafat is pretty rough, I believe. I don't know if

919
01:01:44,559 --> 01:01:51,239
it was controversial or not. But
the anwar Sadat and god who else wanted

920
01:01:51,840 --> 01:01:57,360
two people? I get why an
want it. But yeah, there's some

921
01:01:57,440 --> 01:02:02,360
controversial ones. This is a funny
one. The guy who invented the lobotomy,

922
01:02:04,199 --> 01:02:07,719
he won it. Yeah, that
dude. We could do a whole

923
01:02:07,039 --> 01:02:12,679
thing on transorbital lobotomies. Actually we
should. Oh it's yeah, it's insane.

924
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The guy who invented ammonia basically got
it, which he was. It's

925
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helpful for fertilizer and shit, but
it was also very useful World War One

926
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four gases. You see, there's
any other ones that are like interesting,

927
01:02:29,280 --> 01:02:37,320
but yeah, that Arafat and and
the lobotomy person is really fucking funny.

928
01:02:37,400 --> 01:02:40,400
Yeah, that is crazy. I'm
gonna go through some just highlights real quick

929
01:02:40,400 --> 01:02:45,800
of Kissinger's career. So later,
in September of seventy three, after the

930
01:02:45,880 --> 01:02:49,480
Vietnam War ended, this is all. In seventy three, he wins a

931
01:02:49,480 --> 01:02:54,039
Nobel Prize for the Ceasfire negotiations in
Vietnam, and they pull out Vietnam.

932
01:02:54,480 --> 01:02:58,320
The last soldier in Vietnam is in
seventy three. Wait, can we point

933
01:02:58,360 --> 01:03:01,079
out in nineteen forty eight, no
one one, no one won it.

934
01:03:01,159 --> 01:03:06,719
Nobody won nineteen forty eight. Huh. Gandhi was there and they're like,

935
01:03:06,840 --> 01:03:14,280
nah, prove something, prove something, Gandhi. No, I just like

936
01:03:14,880 --> 01:03:17,039
I love that. Though there's a
year without a Nobel Peace Prize. Fuck

937
01:03:17,079 --> 01:03:22,719
it, Nah, nobody's worthy.
That's good. No best picture this year,

938
01:03:22,840 --> 01:03:25,679
Academy, they should do that.
The year is to shape a water

939
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one. It should be nothing.
Just you know what, No, we're

940
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good. Y'all sucked this year.
It was a terrible year. And I

941
01:03:32,320 --> 01:03:36,119
hated that movie time, I were
like Times Person of the Year two,

942
01:03:36,559 --> 01:03:39,840
same thing. Yeah, No,
one like Greta Tunebar should never win.

943
01:03:40,280 --> 01:03:44,519
No, she should not be the
Time Person of the Year. No,

944
01:03:45,159 --> 01:03:49,639
you should. There should be like
minimum requirements there. But yeah, So

945
01:03:49,760 --> 01:03:52,039
later in September seventy three, Kissinger
would support a brutal coup in Chile that

946
01:03:52,079 --> 01:03:57,000
would allow for the dictator Pinochet to
take power and maintain a decades long regime

947
01:03:57,000 --> 01:04:00,440
of oppression and torture. Uh.
This was of course in order to avoid

948
01:04:00,480 --> 01:04:03,079
Soviet development in South America that I
mentioned earlier. But just a month later

949
01:04:03,119 --> 01:04:09,159
he would also facilitate piece between Israel
and Egypt. So that's also you know,

950
01:04:09,239 --> 01:04:12,679
he had a lot of pluses too. It's pretty good stuff. This

951
01:04:12,719 --> 01:04:16,480
is all again because he just wanted
American interests in those places to be taken

952
01:04:16,519 --> 01:04:21,039
care of. Basically, if you
want to do a deep dive into every

953
01:04:21,079 --> 01:04:28,119
position of Kissinger, you can ask
this one question. Does it help the

954
01:04:28,239 --> 01:04:31,599
US long game? Right? Yes, he's for it. Does it go

955
01:04:31,679 --> 01:04:36,559
against everything we are ideologically connected to, doesn't matter. We're doing it live,

956
01:04:36,840 --> 01:04:40,519
because that doesn't mean shit when you're
in control. Are He's just giving

957
01:04:40,559 --> 01:04:45,679
the fucking Christian Bale speech at the
end of Vice. Yes, Now,

958
01:04:45,760 --> 01:04:49,239
your Kissinger is the Christian the speech
of the device. It is. And

959
01:04:49,239 --> 01:04:53,559
by the way, I love that
speech. Yeah, and he's just dick

960
01:04:53,639 --> 01:04:57,280
on steroids, and I kind of
agree with it to a large extent.

961
01:04:59,400 --> 01:05:03,400
For better. Henry Kissinger is what
a lot of people think about America.

962
01:05:04,039 --> 01:05:08,960
It is like the most he's like
the most American person ever. His decisions

963
01:05:09,119 --> 01:05:13,679
will fucking awful of a lot of
chances, and they did leave the world

964
01:05:13,800 --> 01:05:18,280
kind of destitute in certain spots.
He's also largely responsible for the period of

965
01:05:18,320 --> 01:05:23,960
peace that most people living in a
superpower region experienced at the turn of the

966
01:05:24,039 --> 01:05:29,760
century. Now, anyone, you're
welcome, anyone who has lived, anyone

967
01:05:29,800 --> 01:05:33,599
born after World War two, essentially
anyone born from nineteen forty six on.

968
01:05:34,000 --> 01:05:36,960
And I know there are you know, boomers and stuff are like under the

969
01:05:36,960 --> 01:05:40,920
threat of nukes all the time and
stuff like that. And that's certainly not

970
01:05:40,920 --> 01:05:43,320
nothing, even though I'm sure a
lot of people will blow it off.

971
01:05:43,719 --> 01:05:46,559
Meanwhile, acting like live I live
in late stage capitalism. It's so tough

972
01:05:46,599 --> 01:05:49,199
and like these kids are like,
get under your desk, Jimmy, we

973
01:05:49,239 --> 01:05:54,400
have to practice in case you're incinerated
by people halfway across the world. Yeah,

974
01:05:54,440 --> 01:05:57,320
like, I think that's harder than
late stage capitalism, whatever the fuck

975
01:05:57,360 --> 01:06:00,280
that means. But I don't know, suck my dick. These people don't

976
01:06:00,400 --> 01:06:04,000
understand how this is like the poctural
mono like it there, this is not

977
01:06:04,719 --> 01:06:09,440
historically normal. No, no,
no, you have this much peace between

978
01:06:09,480 --> 01:06:14,239
great powers. Well, the people
that fucking hate him for Cambodia and like

979
01:06:14,320 --> 01:06:16,800
hate him for his policies and stuff
also are like, man, wasn't it

980
01:06:16,800 --> 01:06:21,320
great in the nineties. It's like, yeah, because of this guy pretty

981
01:06:21,400 --> 01:06:26,480
much like we're not here to we're
not standing in we're not defecting dick riding

982
01:06:26,559 --> 01:06:29,800
them. But here the people like
people are like, man, it was

983
01:06:29,840 --> 01:06:31,519
so much better, Like everything was
cooler in the nineties. It's like yeah

984
01:06:31,519 --> 01:06:38,239
in America, right, like it
wasn't like sick and fucking like Laus or

985
01:06:38,360 --> 01:06:40,960
like, but here's the thing of
Levanka to go back to this. So

986
01:06:41,079 --> 01:06:44,199
we've talked about this before and I
didn't get this is my theory. I've

987
01:06:44,559 --> 01:06:47,039
read other people who have said it, but like, essentially, like there's

988
01:06:47,079 --> 01:06:55,559
a I think of extremely legitimate theory
that nuclear weapons have saved lives, Yeah,

989
01:06:55,639 --> 01:07:00,760
because without nukes, that threat of
nukes, there's nothing stopping Russia and

990
01:07:00,800 --> 01:07:03,199
the US and China and NATO and
whatever, the big meat grinder, you're

991
01:07:03,280 --> 01:07:06,679
fucking thrown thrown hands. Yeah,
just fucking going back at it. And

992
01:07:06,880 --> 01:07:12,920
at the same time, like Kissinger
is part of that a huge, mongous

993
01:07:12,960 --> 01:07:17,679
part of that system that kept great
powers from fighting each other directly. And

994
01:07:17,719 --> 01:07:23,760
I obviously he killed millions in Campodia
and Laos, Vietnam, et cetera,

995
01:07:24,440 --> 01:07:31,559
Chile, whatever, But like again, it's impossible to prove a negative.

996
01:07:31,920 --> 01:07:38,000
And also when you're in that position, almost in government, your hands are

997
01:07:38,039 --> 01:07:40,920
gonna get dirty, You're gonna have
blood on like there's no other options.

998
01:07:41,000 --> 01:07:44,320
We're talking about nation building, yeah, right now, and we're talking about

999
01:07:44,360 --> 01:07:46,000
it not as a oh, you
shouldn't do that because you're not there,

1000
01:07:46,239 --> 01:07:49,880
Like it has nothing to do with
what you ideologically should or shouldn't do.

1001
01:07:49,960 --> 01:07:55,360
And a lot of people get really
frustrated by even that concept of operating from

1002
01:07:55,400 --> 01:08:00,119
a foreign policy angle, But when
you think about it from he's acting the

1003
01:08:00,159 --> 01:08:04,519
self interest to the country he represents, it kind of makes it really understandable

1004
01:08:04,559 --> 01:08:08,320
and easy to figure out pretty quickly, and it's like, yeah, okay,

1005
01:08:08,400 --> 01:08:11,639
nation building, why would you build
to create stability in regions where you

1006
01:08:11,639 --> 01:08:15,320
have interest. It's not that hard
to get from A to B to C.

1007
01:08:15,559 --> 01:08:17,920
And also it's funny like he holds
it. I don't. I don't

1008
01:08:17,920 --> 01:08:20,439
think this is the way you should
go about things. But he basically holds

1009
01:08:20,479 --> 01:08:26,479
the idea. They not incorrect,
it's a little incorrect. It's sort of

1010
01:08:26,479 --> 01:08:30,199
like bastardizing things. But like essentially
it's like, if your country is the

1011
01:08:30,199 --> 01:08:34,279
most powerful country on earth, as
long as you can maintain the importance of

1012
01:08:34,319 --> 01:08:40,119
your ideology within the borders and then
within the culture, then it does then

1013
01:08:40,159 --> 01:08:43,920
it doesn't matter what you do to
keep your outside of your country, to

1014
01:08:43,960 --> 01:08:46,760
keep that country number one, Yeah, because then even if it goes against

1015
01:08:46,760 --> 01:08:49,840
your ideology, right right, Also
keep the conflicts out of our country,

1016
01:08:50,039 --> 01:08:54,479
right right, that's the fight,
the battles and the wars away from it.

1017
01:08:54,560 --> 01:08:57,319
I mean that that predates Kissinger certainly, Like we haven't had a war

1018
01:08:57,359 --> 01:09:00,600
on our soil really, I mean, like the Japanese iuch to ask a

1019
01:09:00,640 --> 01:09:04,239
little bit, but uh, and
obviously Pearl Harbor, but we haven't had

1020
01:09:04,239 --> 01:09:10,520
a war in the contiguous United States
since eighteen sixty five. That's fucking insane.

1021
01:09:10,600 --> 01:09:14,039
It's a long time not even bombed, you know what I mean.

1022
01:09:14,079 --> 01:09:18,159
Like England hasn't been successfully invaded since
ten sixty six, but the Nazis bombed

1023
01:09:18,159 --> 01:09:24,600
the fucking Christ out of them.
Yeah. Do you think the blitz Greek

1024
01:09:24,640 --> 01:09:28,359
parties were fun? I honestly think
there were probably, you know, like

1025
01:09:28,359 --> 01:09:30,359
a like in the fraternity, like
a hurricane party in Florida. Yeah.

1026
01:09:30,399 --> 01:09:33,319
Yeah, you're just down in your
little shelter, just getting sucked up.

1027
01:09:33,399 --> 01:09:39,000
I kind of think some people had
a pretty good sort of apocalyptic end of

1028
01:09:39,000 --> 01:09:43,720
the world time. I'd got a
party, I'm guarantee you some people are

1029
01:09:43,720 --> 01:09:45,239
having fun. Yeah, at a
party, I'd go to get a couple

1030
01:09:45,279 --> 01:09:48,319
of drinks in. You it's like, hey, get the more if you're

1031
01:09:48,359 --> 01:09:51,239
all you wanted to ask Yal she's
there. Yeah, I don't know if

1032
01:09:51,279 --> 01:09:54,640
you're gonna live to see the morning. We got a bunch of morphine.

1033
01:09:54,680 --> 01:09:59,920
We got a bunch of cigarette and
six gin. Yea. I maybe some

1034
01:10:00,039 --> 01:10:02,560
boner pills want to go to that. I don't think they needed them.

1035
01:10:02,600 --> 01:10:06,119
I don't think they had him yet. There's definitely like some goat weed or

1036
01:10:06,119 --> 01:10:11,199
something. Yeah. Card. Yeah, anyway, all that to be said

1037
01:10:11,239 --> 01:10:15,159
some radish juice. Speaking of getting
your dick card, I'd be remiss not

1038
01:10:15,239 --> 01:10:19,319
to mention that Kissinger was apparently quite
a playboy as well. That's gout,

1039
01:10:19,520 --> 01:10:25,079
that's gut, he's fucking. Uh
does Kissinger fuck? Kissinger fucks? I

1040
01:10:25,079 --> 01:10:29,920
don't think he fucks. He.
I think he got like the luckiest straw

1041
01:10:29,960 --> 01:10:32,439
in the world of just getting some
weird free press. But he was into

1042
01:10:33,720 --> 01:10:36,640
dating. He was just into dating
in the seventies, which is the boyfriend

1043
01:10:36,640 --> 01:10:41,760
experience. So he was dubbed the
Playboy of the West Wing by Women's Daily

1044
01:10:41,800 --> 01:10:45,279
Wear in nineteen seventy one. Uh. The list of women he had dated

1045
01:10:45,359 --> 01:10:49,279
includes names like Diane Sawyer, which
is I want to know what date means,

1046
01:10:49,279 --> 01:10:54,359
because it means go on a date
that I think it just means going

1047
01:10:54,439 --> 01:10:57,399
up the fuck out he just wanted. I think it was an arm candy

1048
01:10:57,439 --> 01:11:00,000
thing. Honestly, Well, I
mean what constitutes a date? Right?

1049
01:11:00,000 --> 01:11:01,840
You have all these girls that'll go
out with like a celebrity once or twice,

1050
01:11:01,840 --> 01:11:04,560
and like we dated, we dead
at Yeah, he kissed me on

1051
01:11:04,680 --> 01:11:08,199
my at that time, we did. We just kissed. He was at

1052
01:11:08,199 --> 01:11:11,920
a gentleman. Yeah, the first
American back you, I don't think they.

1053
01:11:12,000 --> 01:11:15,279
I don't think he fucked anybody,
but like they make it sound like

1054
01:11:15,319 --> 01:11:16,520
he does, like he gets around. But why are you trying to say

1055
01:11:16,600 --> 01:11:21,119
Kissinger ain't throwing meat Hi around.
I would read the WAPO. I would

1056
01:11:21,159 --> 01:11:25,720
read the WAPO call him about it
because it's like, I don't think he

1057
01:11:25,760 --> 01:11:30,640
did. But saying out loud sounds
like a slur. Why, like a

1058
01:11:30,680 --> 01:11:33,880
Polish slur. Yeah, dumb wapo
fucking I mean wap is Italian, but

1059
01:11:33,960 --> 01:11:41,760
yeah, freaking wapoo does sound like
a slur. Sounds exactly like a slur.

1060
01:11:43,800 --> 01:11:46,560
Anyway. Yeah, the first American
bond woman, ChIL Saint John was

1061
01:11:46,760 --> 01:11:49,079
a person that he went on a
couple of dates with. He set off

1062
01:11:49,079 --> 01:11:53,960
her alarm at night when they were
at her house. So I don't know

1063
01:11:54,319 --> 01:11:56,840
that was like apparently it was like, oh why was he there late?

1064
01:11:57,079 --> 01:11:59,560
All right? Because it was a
big cocktail party scene. Though. Also,

1065
01:11:59,560 --> 01:12:03,840
do you think Diane Sawyer got some
shit for that journalistic integrity? No?

1066
01:12:03,880 --> 01:12:08,239
I don't think. So this was
the young journalist, well she was

1067
01:12:08,279 --> 01:12:11,960
also she was working as a White
House aid at the time, this is

1068
01:12:11,960 --> 01:12:15,319
before a journalist's career, and then
he was also he went on a couple

1069
01:12:15,279 --> 01:12:19,920
of days with Jajaca Bore of all
people, but Nixon actually kind of set

1070
01:12:19,960 --> 01:12:25,600
him up with Jaja and he sat
her next to him at this like White

1071
01:12:25,600 --> 01:12:29,359
House dinner, and she was interviewed
about it later. She was apparently turned

1072
01:12:29,359 --> 01:12:31,319
on by his big brain. But
when driving her home and going in for

1073
01:12:31,359 --> 01:12:34,600
a kiss, Nixon beat him that
same night and told him he had to

1074
01:12:34,640 --> 01:12:40,399
get to the back to San Clemente
immediately. Nixon had a kind of like

1075
01:12:40,439 --> 01:12:42,720
Trumble was the first person to have
a house that he went to instead of

1076
01:12:42,760 --> 01:12:45,720
the White House like a lot.
Yeah, Nixon did that all the time

1077
01:12:45,800 --> 01:12:50,520
and st clement looking Bush people like
the ranch all over him for his ranch.

1078
01:12:49,880 --> 01:12:54,199
I I tweeted that the other day
when someone like there was like a

1079
01:12:54,199 --> 01:12:57,439
Guardian article or something that was like
Biden on vacation again, Like dude,

1080
01:12:58,239 --> 01:13:00,640
I don't fucking care. I didn't
care when Trump was golfing twenty four to

1081
01:13:00,640 --> 01:13:03,720
seven. I didn't care when Obama
was golfing twenty four seven. Let him

1082
01:13:03,720 --> 01:13:08,840
work remote. I didn't care when
Bush was clearing brush on his fucking ranch.

1083
01:13:09,279 --> 01:13:11,520
Like, God damn, this is
the worst war. Honestly. With

1084
01:13:11,600 --> 01:13:15,520
Trump playing golf especially, it's like
that's probably when he's the most reasonable and

1085
01:13:15,560 --> 01:13:17,560
happiest, Like, let him golf, have him make all decisions on the

1086
01:13:17,560 --> 01:13:21,359
golf course. Can you let like
all the world leaders meet him there?

1087
01:13:21,520 --> 01:13:25,720
Yeahh like can we just do that? Honestly, I think he gets pent

1088
01:13:25,840 --> 01:13:28,479
up and angry in the White House, yeah, because he doesn't want to

1089
01:13:28,520 --> 01:13:30,520
be there. That's all the world
needs is one giant charity golf tournament.

1090
01:13:31,800 --> 01:13:39,039
I don't want the world leaders together
talk shop. Fuck this un nonsense round

1091
01:13:39,039 --> 01:13:42,079
of eighteen. I don't even I'm
not good at golf. I don't even

1092
01:13:42,119 --> 01:13:45,039
necessarily like golf, and I'm always
happy on a golf course. Yeah,

1093
01:13:45,119 --> 01:13:48,960
nobody wants to be in a giant
auditorium, No fucking bad vibes there.

1094
01:13:49,359 --> 01:13:54,239
Who wants to go to a conference? Go outdoors, get some drinks in

1095
01:13:54,319 --> 01:13:59,399
you, yeah, breath of fresh
air, some uh handshake deals. Yeah.

1096
01:13:59,399 --> 01:14:00,600
On eighteen, Hell would say,
hey, man, we're all kind

1097
01:14:00,640 --> 01:14:03,880
of buzz. Let's just like call
that whole war thing. Huh yeah,

1098
01:14:04,319 --> 01:14:10,039
yeah, he's farm but we need
this all right, take it, it's

1099
01:14:10,119 --> 01:14:13,359
fine, Like, all right,
you buried those last hole, you got

1100
01:14:13,359 --> 01:14:15,840
a deal, you got the black
seat hit. But yeah, yeah.

1101
01:14:15,840 --> 01:14:18,880
Uh. He was friends with Hugh
Hefner and even showed up to a Playboy

1102
01:14:18,960 --> 01:14:23,439
party carrying an envelope of classified info. Why are you? Why are you

1103
01:14:23,479 --> 01:14:26,119
shipping on this? Dude? He's
a playboy, he's friends with you.

1104
01:14:27,159 --> 01:14:30,359
It sounds like he did. Okay, he told everyone the classified material was

1105
01:14:30,399 --> 01:14:35,520
his copy of Playboy, but it
was actually Nixon's silent Majority speech. So

1106
01:14:35,560 --> 01:14:40,159
he's just walking around a Playboy party
with the silent majority speech. Just kissinger

1107
01:14:40,159 --> 01:14:44,680
head a hog. Yeah. I
think he was throwing it around. I

1108
01:14:44,720 --> 01:14:47,199
think anyone. Yeah, I think
he did. In order to make those

1109
01:14:47,279 --> 01:14:49,520
kind of decisions, you gotta have
that. I don't at least have.

1110
01:14:49,960 --> 01:14:54,720
He's worried about the size of his
dick, probably eight inch, you know

1111
01:14:54,760 --> 01:14:57,520
I don't. All right, Well, didn't even have to actually be big.

1112
01:14:57,680 --> 01:15:00,399
He was married twice. He was
married twice to anybody notable, not

1113
01:15:00,439 --> 01:15:05,399
really around people, socialites, things
like that. How do you become a

1114
01:15:05,439 --> 01:15:08,680
socialite? You have money. I
would like that. You have money,

1115
01:15:08,760 --> 01:15:12,840
you don't work. It's fun,
Yeah, yeah, it sounds awesome.

1116
01:15:12,960 --> 01:15:15,720
Yeah, you have family money and
you don't work. You socialize, you

1117
01:15:15,800 --> 01:15:21,439
donate, and you hold dinners and
bank Let's be a good hang. Yeah.

1118
01:15:21,520 --> 01:15:26,840
Kissinger acknowledge he liked the attention that
went with being Washington's greatest swinger.

1119
01:15:26,960 --> 01:15:32,720
This was a term he got from
a Washington Post calumnist. He wasn't swinging

1120
01:15:32,800 --> 01:15:38,479
well. Swinger in the seventies means
serial dater. Okay, so someone that

1121
01:15:38,520 --> 01:15:42,960
doesn't like settle down. He just
dates a lot. But he confirmed his

1122
01:15:43,039 --> 01:15:45,000
dating appetite to Time magazine in nineteen
seventy two. He said, I go

1123
01:15:45,079 --> 01:15:49,800
out with actresses because I'm not very
apt to marry one, which means he

1124
01:15:49,960 --> 01:15:53,479
just liked have an arm candy.
Shoot, yeah, what the fuck?

1125
01:15:54,239 --> 01:16:00,520
Yeah? Okay, here's his uh. I mean his wife's cute, especially

1126
01:16:00,560 --> 01:16:04,560
for like the seventies, sixties whatever. She's probably right up your alley,

1127
01:16:05,319 --> 01:16:10,920
thin blonde. Yeah, let me
see pass it down. Yeah, here,

1128
01:16:10,960 --> 01:16:15,319
I'll give you if you x out
of this too. There's another one,

1129
01:16:15,960 --> 01:16:18,000
but hold on, fuck, I
just lost it. I'll send it

1130
01:16:18,039 --> 01:16:20,520
to you. I'll just let it
up. Yeah, just like a young,

1131
01:16:20,640 --> 01:16:27,760
just young Nancy Kissinger. She was
tall, how tall was he?

1132
01:16:28,279 --> 01:16:31,840
I don't think he was that tall. He seems like he's pretty short.

1133
01:16:32,000 --> 01:16:39,920
But she's good looking broad for sure. Yeah. I think that's pretty much

1134
01:16:40,159 --> 01:16:43,720
I really want to talk about on
Kissinger today. I mean, we could

1135
01:16:44,000 --> 01:16:45,199
do, you know, hours and
hours on his policy, but I think

1136
01:16:45,600 --> 01:16:48,760
I'm more interested in what he thought
than what he did. Yeah, because

1137
01:16:48,760 --> 01:16:53,399
they all know, like you a
bunch of fucking shitty things, all the

1138
01:16:53,439 --> 01:16:57,640
bad things. Uh. We do
have verification though, that he meets the

1139
01:16:57,680 --> 01:17:03,039
requirement of an evil person. How
tall? Five to nine? That's due?

1140
01:17:03,079 --> 01:17:05,600
His wife was six foot. That
can't be taller than five to nine.

1141
01:17:05,640 --> 01:17:09,840
His wife is like easily three inches
taller than him. Yeah, very

1142
01:17:09,880 --> 01:17:13,720
tall woman. I think, you
know, Rob, you were onto something

1143
01:17:14,119 --> 01:17:21,479
though. I think his experiences with
a brutal, orderly government in regime kind

1144
01:17:21,479 --> 01:17:26,600
of shaped the way for him to
understand how power can be wielded. But

1145
01:17:26,720 --> 01:17:31,199
also, you know, I think
because we're lucky we got him in America,

1146
01:17:31,800 --> 01:17:38,119
basically, he's he's our he's our
bestard, he's our Draymond Green.

1147
01:17:38,359 --> 01:17:42,199
Yeah. Kind of is this your
roundabout way of defending Israel right now?

1148
01:17:42,920 --> 01:17:45,239
Me? Yeah? No, I
don't. I don't know how you would

1149
01:17:45,279 --> 01:17:48,640
get that. I'm glad he was
our guy. I mean, I'd rather

1150
01:17:48,680 --> 01:17:51,399
have him on our team. Yeah, that's all I'm saying. Yeah,

1151
01:17:51,520 --> 01:17:55,960
It's like, do you want if
he's gonna exist either way, right,

1152
01:17:56,159 --> 01:17:59,399
Yeah, might as well be on
the squad. It's like, I certainly

1153
01:17:59,439 --> 01:18:01,520
don't want him oking my team,
right, Yeah, it is. He

1154
01:18:01,680 --> 01:18:05,560
is very much like a fucking like
Draymond Green or Morris Brother. If we're

1155
01:18:05,680 --> 01:18:12,960
just staying NBA, like just a
piece of shit Dominica Sue and Dominican Sue.

1156
01:18:13,239 --> 01:18:15,720
Yeah, Grace and Allen if you
want to go college, I guess

1157
01:18:15,720 --> 01:18:19,720
you could, yeah, or NBA. He's kicked some dicks in the NBA

1158
01:18:19,840 --> 01:18:24,079
too. I kind of want to
leave it on one quote before we kind

1159
01:18:24,079 --> 01:18:28,079
of wrap it up here, But
this is his last interview. This is

1160
01:18:28,279 --> 01:18:31,199
a quote I thought was interesting from
him. The leaders of the world have

1161
01:18:31,319 --> 01:18:36,520
failed. They have failed to master
the overriding concepts, the fundamentals, and

1162
01:18:36,560 --> 01:18:41,319
the day to day tactics. Societies
have to find a way to solve their

1163
01:18:41,319 --> 01:18:46,239
problems without continuously having a series of
conflicts. This is the challenge. We

1164
01:18:46,279 --> 01:18:49,800
have been facing a period of constant
conflict resulting in major wars, destroying much

1165
01:18:49,800 --> 01:18:58,640
of the civilization that has been built. It's interesting from a guy who you

1166
01:18:58,680 --> 01:19:04,760
know, created so much to instruction
in war, he's still saying like we're

1167
01:19:04,800 --> 01:19:09,720
doing it wrong, which I think
is like maybe a troll even in a

1168
01:19:09,760 --> 01:19:13,319
way I think he I think he's
annoyed at the noise. I think he's

1169
01:19:13,359 --> 01:19:16,000
annoyed at how much attention people pay
to the noise from the quote unquote mom

1170
01:19:16,159 --> 01:19:19,439
or plubs or whatever. Now,
yeah, it's the conflict. The conflict

1171
01:19:19,439 --> 01:19:24,479
of ideology is so minuscule, really, And by the way, all you

1172
01:19:24,520 --> 01:19:28,560
hear about all the Cambodia and Vietnam
stuff, but like the all the stuff

1173
01:19:28,600 --> 01:19:33,920
that he was responsible for after you
either don't know much about or people's or

1174
01:19:33,960 --> 01:19:38,439
like, no, that was actually
dope, which means I mean and he

1175
01:19:38,520 --> 01:19:43,079
was pretty He came into his own
and his career started during Vietnam, right,

1176
01:19:43,479 --> 01:19:46,319
so he was early sloppy Kissinger and
vi the job. Yeah, by

1177
01:19:46,359 --> 01:19:51,000
the time Vietnam was over, like
he got real good. No one gives

1178
01:19:51,039 --> 01:19:56,560
a fuck about Pinochete shit, Like
no one gives a fuck about Central and

1179
01:19:56,640 --> 01:20:00,600
South America. I prefer that though
my Central intelligence age sees. I need

1180
01:20:00,600 --> 01:20:04,279
those to keep everything on the hush
hush. Yeah he got good, he

1181
01:20:04,319 --> 01:20:08,199
got real, he got real good
at his job. Yeah. No,

1182
01:20:08,279 --> 01:20:12,039
I mean he really did some incredible
nation building stuff. If you're you know,

1183
01:20:12,399 --> 01:20:14,880
whether or not you think that's horrifying, I don't, you know.

1184
01:20:14,920 --> 01:20:16,199
I'm not gonna sit here and say
I like, fucking I don't have to

1185
01:20:16,199 --> 01:20:19,600
be that serious about this guy.
I don't like the guy necessarily, but

1186
01:20:19,640 --> 01:20:24,439
I don't fucking hate him. And
as much as I, you know,

1187
01:20:25,279 --> 01:20:27,800
respect him or not, I'm in
awe of what he was able to accomplish

1188
01:20:27,800 --> 01:20:30,800
in the way he changed the way
we operated on global scale. Like,

1189
01:20:30,279 --> 01:20:33,680
it doesn't matter if it's about fucking
democracy or not, it's about America.

1190
01:20:34,119 --> 01:20:39,560
All of a sudden, it's okay
to hate an immigrant, It's all I'm

1191
01:20:39,600 --> 01:20:43,399
hearing, Yeah, right from those
people. No, I'm surprised that fucking

1192
01:20:43,439 --> 01:20:47,439
gen Z people don't like him because
his entire thing is yo vibes. Yeah,

1193
01:20:47,680 --> 01:20:50,079
vibes, go on, vibes,
baby, All right? Who's Hitler?

1194
01:20:51,399 --> 01:20:57,399
Hitler? Who's Hitler? Hitler?
I don't know Hitler created this beast.

1195
01:20:57,880 --> 01:21:00,439
Hitler did create Hitler. Yeah,
he would have stayed in Germany.

1196
01:21:01,680 --> 01:21:03,840
I'm want to say, the people
that give up the award for the Nobel

1197
01:21:03,880 --> 01:21:09,760
Peace Prize. Yes, the Nobel
Prize Committee. Yeah, imagine like Hitler.

1198
01:21:10,399 --> 01:21:14,199
Hitler is still like a psychopath and
wants to conquer the world whatever,

1199
01:21:14,239 --> 01:21:17,079
but he doesn't hate Jews, and
you know, he gets like certainly like

1200
01:21:17,119 --> 01:21:21,479
a little far maybe gets France and
shit. But you know Ray it like

1201
01:21:21,560 --> 01:21:29,279
lives out his reign and then Kissinger
takes over, just steps up. Kissinger

1202
01:21:29,479 --> 01:21:32,680
just leads Germany to the future.
Yeah, Kissingers could have done it Aaron

1203
01:21:32,760 --> 01:21:38,199
Rodgers to Hitler's far. Yeah,
I mean, like, dude, they

1204
01:21:38,199 --> 01:21:41,760
probably would have gotten just as far
if they didn't hate Juice. Yeah,

1205
01:21:41,800 --> 01:21:45,279
it's insane, but I yeah,
I mean kissing Jerice today's Hitler because I

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01:21:45,279 --> 01:21:49,479
do kind of go back to like
I agree with his ideas on pragmatism,

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01:21:49,560 --> 01:21:55,319
but like he I feel like he
practiced a sort of pessimistic pregnant I'll tell

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01:21:55,319 --> 01:21:59,319
you what, Kissingers in Germany still
or you know, up until he died,

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not that many conflicts in the Middle
East, probably not as many,

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maybe mm hmm, I disagree.
I mean we've were kind of responsible for

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01:22:13,319 --> 01:22:18,399
all of them. Yeah, I
don't think Kissinger. I think regardless of

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01:22:18,399 --> 01:22:21,600
if Kissinger was there, Russia goes
into Afghanistan, we're still going in or

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01:22:21,640 --> 01:22:26,920
South America. South America is probably
a little bit better. We were kind

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01:22:26,920 --> 01:22:29,600
of like a comp effect. I
disagree, man. I think we would

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01:22:29,600 --> 01:22:33,439
have done it, just with different
dressing. I think Kissinger kind of was

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01:22:33,479 --> 01:22:35,760
like, we don't have to dance
around this. We can just do these

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01:22:35,800 --> 01:22:39,680
things right. Everybody in the room
is like, all right, we can't

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01:22:39,720 --> 01:22:42,000
let this happen, but how do
we do it? And Henry's just like,

1219
01:22:42,680 --> 01:22:46,960
we just do it? Like yeah, yeah, would you guys learn

1220
01:22:47,760 --> 01:22:51,000
I learned that if I got in
that one guy's cab and he listened to

1221
01:22:51,000 --> 01:22:54,600
our podcast, he'd be like,
Bro, you saw about hundred Kssinger mount.

1222
01:22:54,640 --> 01:22:57,920
Everybody's such a walk to the beach
about hundred Kissinger. Bro, I

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01:22:58,000 --> 01:23:04,960
love that guy. I couldn't dip
them in, damn. I learned that

1224
01:23:05,359 --> 01:23:11,920
when somebody is getting dogpiled on,
just to sit it out always. And

1225
01:23:12,319 --> 01:23:15,920
yeah, it was the dumbest Twitter
dog pilot like it really was just like

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01:23:15,920 --> 01:23:20,319
oh easy. But anybody that is
of any value to history is going to

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01:23:20,399 --> 01:23:28,159
have a complex. Just background and
story. Are you trying to see he

1228
01:23:28,279 --> 01:23:31,359
was a person's human being. I
mean, I'm trying to like bounce out

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01:23:32,039 --> 01:23:36,960
was he was the world better for
Kissinger or worse? I don't really want

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01:23:38,000 --> 01:23:42,359
to defend him because he was a
piece of shit. Well right, and

1231
01:23:42,439 --> 01:23:45,600
I I yeah, it's like sort
of like I said, pessimistic pragmatism.

1232
01:23:45,600 --> 01:23:47,119
But at the same time, but
you're saying like next man up. Without

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01:23:47,159 --> 01:23:50,479
Kissinger, somebody else would do it, or it's sort of just like but

1234
01:23:50,720 --> 01:23:56,920
also like you can't prove the negative
of like you're reacting like what he did

1235
01:23:57,039 --> 01:24:00,560
was the worst case scenario. I
don't know that that's true. I mean,

1236
01:24:00,640 --> 01:24:04,359
yeah, think about if Russia and
fucking China link up. Yeah,

1237
01:24:04,439 --> 01:24:08,439
like Jessica, I just don't know
that I can sign off on what Kissinger

1238
01:24:08,520 --> 01:24:14,960
did or what Kissinger was responsible for
was the worst case scenario for that time

1239
01:24:14,960 --> 01:24:17,640
period. I also learned that Jake
doesn't believe that Kissinger was just throwing his

1240
01:24:20,039 --> 01:24:23,960
I do. I think someone had
a funny quote about that. It's like

1241
01:24:24,000 --> 01:24:27,720
the Henry Kissinger's idea of romance is
slowing down to thirty to let the date

1242
01:24:27,760 --> 01:24:30,800
out at the door, dude,
based on his wife. I think he

1243
01:24:30,880 --> 01:24:34,239
fucked Oh, I think hit sex. Yes, I know, but I

1244
01:24:34,279 --> 01:24:38,119
mean I think he was slinging it. I think he was. I think

1245
01:24:38,119 --> 01:24:41,119
he slung it left and right.
He's a cocksman, yeah, one hundred

1246
01:24:41,119 --> 01:24:45,479
percent. Yeah, I mean,
uh, Playboy playmates thought he was the

1247
01:24:45,520 --> 01:24:49,640
most interesting person and like most the
person they wanted to most go on a

1248
01:24:49,680 --> 01:24:53,079
date within the country. Yeah,
who are they going to come across that

1249
01:24:53,199 --> 01:24:56,880
has that amount of power? You
talk to one actor, you talk to

1250
01:24:56,960 --> 01:24:58,560
him all I know, honestly,
it's so funny, like all of a

1251
01:24:58,640 --> 01:25:01,319
sudden, like you think, think
fucking Robert Redford is the most important guy

1252
01:25:01,319 --> 01:25:04,960
in the room, and then Henry
fucking Kissinger walks in. Robert Redford is

1253
01:25:05,000 --> 01:25:10,760
a twink, a useless He is
basically a waiter compared to Henry Kissinger.

1254
01:25:11,039 --> 01:25:13,560
I mean, yeah, Henry Kissinger, for all intents and purposes, is

1255
01:25:14,039 --> 01:25:15,520
you know. I'm in awe of
him. He's a fucking world builder,

1256
01:25:15,600 --> 01:25:20,720
man like, he changed the way
the world worked and probably one of the

1257
01:25:20,720 --> 01:25:26,960
most influential people on the world that
I was born into, which is crazy

1258
01:25:27,039 --> 01:25:30,600
to say five. I would say
top five. He was easily top five

1259
01:25:30,680 --> 01:25:32,920
most influential people in the world you
were born into, who was alive at

1260
01:25:32,960 --> 01:25:35,279
the same time as you. Yeah, yeah, exactly like the guy.

1261
01:25:35,600 --> 01:25:39,680
The guy's an architect of the world
I was born into and he was there.

1262
01:25:39,720 --> 01:25:42,680
Well, I mean he fucking just
died. He's been here the entire

1263
01:25:42,720 --> 01:25:45,600
time. Yeah, it's I'm in
awe of the guy more than anything.

1264
01:25:45,680 --> 01:25:48,279
And I think he's an incredible mind. How do you think he's spent in

1265
01:25:48,359 --> 01:25:51,520
his like last couple of years he
was consulting, he had a consulting firm.

1266
01:25:51,520 --> 01:25:55,159
At ninety he's one hundred, bro, I know, but like in

1267
01:25:55,159 --> 01:25:58,119
his nineties he's consultant. Ye,
he would do one hundred because he's working.

1268
01:25:58,199 --> 01:26:00,479
Yeah, dude, I'm sure you
do need something to keep you dude.

1269
01:26:00,520 --> 01:26:02,439
I just said in like the twenty
was a twenty sixteen campaign. He

1270
01:26:02,520 --> 01:26:06,600
was like talking to hilldog, Like
for sure he could have been a fucking

1271
01:26:06,640 --> 01:26:11,960
vice presidential candidate. When kind of
hobby sixteen bro, we could have been

1272
01:26:11,960 --> 01:26:15,760
they ever talked about that? Was
he a golfer? Uh? I don't

1273
01:26:15,760 --> 01:26:17,640
think. I think his hobby was
nation building? Yeah? Yeah, I

1274
01:26:17,640 --> 01:26:21,520
think he's a grand boy to work
home with him, Yeah yeah, yeah,

1275
01:26:21,560 --> 01:26:27,199
So yeah, this generation coming up
of entrepreneurs, they should respect him.

1276
01:26:27,199 --> 01:26:30,960
Absolutely. Yeah, that's our little
Eppie on Henry Kissinger. I hope

1277
01:26:30,960 --> 01:26:34,760
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1280
01:26:46,119 --> 01:26:49,640
Uh oh, I was gonna read
a couple of reviews real quick, okay,

1281
01:26:49,760 --> 01:26:53,880
just to say thank you. Obviously
we read the one of the guy

1282
01:26:53,920 --> 01:27:00,880
who's like, I love this show, but let's see Jenny Bunny. Not

1283
01:27:00,920 --> 01:27:02,720
sure if I'm the only female fan, and I do love the show,

1284
01:27:02,760 --> 01:27:08,319
not just because Dan is hot or
anything. Bang, I want to contract?

1285
01:27:08,600 --> 01:27:13,920
You want to contract a lady?
I'm in h for her story,

1286
01:27:15,439 --> 01:27:19,560
softcore her story. Oh oh yeah
yeah yeah yeah yeah. Uh Next up

1287
01:27:19,760 --> 01:27:23,319
Leath two. I don't know what
that means. When a girl with a

1288
01:27:23,399 --> 01:27:27,000
heast infection squirts, it's called pepper
spray. Eat it like it's oatmeal.

1289
01:27:27,199 --> 01:27:29,760
Sure, don't get that reference at
all. Yep, don't know if we

1290
01:27:29,840 --> 01:27:31,760
made that joke. The show will
make you laugh, cry, make you

1291
01:27:31,840 --> 01:27:39,119
squirt, says sap Or Mills.
And then we need more reviews. Alerted

1292
01:27:39,159 --> 01:27:42,680
didn't listen to us. Yeah,
alert says, the show's fantastic. This

1293
01:27:42,720 --> 01:27:45,640
one did listen to us. They
detail many topics in a hilarious and factual

1294
01:27:45,640 --> 01:27:48,840
manner, even those forbade by the
Catholic Church. That's, of course,

1295
01:27:48,920 --> 01:27:54,880
Jesus is foreskin that he's referring to. This has resulted in them being plagued

1296
01:27:54,920 --> 01:27:57,800
by Locust in their studio, which
is accurate. They're gone though, they

1297
01:27:57,840 --> 01:28:00,359
are gone now. Yeah, we
took care of the plague for now,

1298
01:28:01,079 --> 01:28:06,159
for now, till the next plague. Anyhow. That's it for me,

1299
01:28:06,239 --> 01:28:10,399
Guys cool Man, for Danner,
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