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finale. True Crime Bullshit will be back with the second half of season six
on September twenty sixth, and in the meantime, enjoy a studio both AND's
newest Israel Keys podcast, Somewhere in the Pines, which premieres today and the
other things in New York stock show you what they took from the property in
New York. All right, so this was the this is the list.
Some of that's pretty you know, the description of what is at it.
I'll show you the old property. Wow, on way back? What stuff?
All this stuff anything from New York. You're going the way back.
When's the last time you were there? Oh? I was there just a
year or so ago. But living there, I haven't made you would stayed
there? You would buy the twenty eleven at the period of time? Oh
yeah yeah every time I back already go by. But I mean all this
stuff that's there is it's like childhood memories. Did you live there for a
period of time? Yeah, oh less than a year in ninety seven?
I think that, yeah, maybe seven. This is true crime bullshit.
I'm your host, Josh Hallmark, and this is a serialized story of Israel
Keys. The investigation into Israel Keys is massive and endless, and even with
each new clue or piece of actual or potential evidence, it only feels bigger.
Over the past year, we've found new information that we haven't been able
to make sense of or properly place in the puzzle that is Keys or that
has entirely upended some of our strongest beliefs and foundations. It's been both humbling
and revitalizing. Let's start with Constable. Through the photos we've obtained, the
research we've done, and interviews I've conducted, it's become more and more clear
that Keys spent significantly more time and Constable than he let on, and that
has only left us with more questions than an answers. Why did Keys rent
out the Constable house to David? And why was seemingly heidy collecting the rent.
Whose white van or s u V was parked behind that house in two
thousand one, and why and how long was it there? Did it just
happen to be there when that aerial photograph was taken or did it sit there
for weeks, months, years? Whose roller skates, ice skates and shoes
are scattered all throughout that property and when did they arrive there? Who brought
multiple newspapers over a several year period to that house? And why if it
was keys, particularly in a pre nameous era, what was he looking for?
Keys told Kimberly he had a cash buried with guns and stuff on his
Constable property. Was it ever located? And why was he really hiding those
guns and stuff? And what of all the jewelry and undergarments found in the
woods and burn pits on the property and the bullet holes in the outhouse.
Keys admitted to using at least one outhouse to rape someone and to scouting several
others to at minimum commit rapes in and we believe Deborah Feldman is most likely
in an outhouse tank along the Raquet River. So was Keys using the outhouse
on his own property to torture or shoot someone? And the most mundane question
about Constable is also the one I'm most troubled by. If David and his
wife were able to move their stuff in and store their horse and cow in
the barn, when and how did it accumulate so much stuff after their departure.
And then there's that two thousand one photo. We received it in the
midst of our newspaper investigation and research, and it frankly ended up in the
research chat and quickly got sidelined, but we've since been able to spend more
time with it and look more closely at it, and have found even more
details, details which incite big questions and even bigger concerns. As of Wednesday,
June twenty sixth, I've shared the photo with the TCB research team,
Joshua and Dakota from Somewhere in the Pines, and the Top Studio both and
Patreon tiers, and while a few items have been debated, there has been
complete or near complete agreement on the following. A white jeep or suv,
a late eighties or early nineties Toyota minivan, a tow trailer or tow trailer
camper, an outbuilding not mentioned in any of the files nor currently on the
property, a significant amount of lumber or firewood, a canopy covering a mound
of dirt or a k with a tarp over it, and what appears to
be either a convertible car or a boat. The photo is currently posted to
the True Crime Bullshit instagram for those who want to take a look. We'll
be discussing it at length throughout this episode. Now, there's a lot to
unpack here, and let's start with how we got the photo in the first
place, and what we've done with it since. Kim k found the photo
while searching vintageerial dot com, an online collector and retailer that works with photographers
and individuals to map out the United States across the ages. One company,
who I've since learned as one of their larger providers, did a series of
aerial photography of homes and mills in North Franklin County, New York, and
included in that is the photo that Kim found. According to the website,
the photo was taken in two thousand and one, and it's wild to think
that an aerial photography company would buy chants photograph a serial killer's backyard, then
sell that photograph to a public website for the whole world to peruse without either
the photographer nor the website knowing what they were looking at or that it could
one day be evidence. But here we are. Life is strange. I
contacted Vintage Aerial directly to ask if there was any way to pinpoint the exact
date that that photo was taken, and the short answer was no. But
the guy spoke with was able to narrow down the timeframe quite a bit.
According to him, this particular photographer took his series in spring and autumn each
year, and based on the foliage in the photo, it was very clearly
taken in spring two thousand and one, and that will be meaningful for a
few reasons. But hold that thought. After we received the photo, we
had friends of the show, Kathleen Studor and Michael Bears digitally enhance it,
and in some areas it was extremely helpful, and in others it didn't provide
much more clarity. But back to spring of two thousand and one, it's
a very interesting time in Keyes's life, a phrase I feel like I've said
a lot lately. Tammy had just gotten pregnant and very shortly after moved to
Nia Bay. As you'll recall, when she first told Keys, he was
very upset and they broke up around that same time Keyes got the duy.
Spring oh one also lines up with the extended time we believe Keyes spent on
the East Coast using up any service leave prior to his army discharge, which
coincides with statements made by Heidi that Keyes spent either six to eight months or
six to eight weeks with her and her family in Maine. Additionally, during
this period, there are three names forty five disappearances, Stephen Kraft Junior,
Bethany marquet Howski, and Shana Kirkpatrick. They all disappeared within a seven week
time frame, and at this point we have reason to believe that Keys was
not involved in any of these disappearances. Now, as we discussed in season
five, episode twelve, in a February twelfth, twenty thirteen interview, Heidi
Keys offhandedly told the FBI that following Keys's return from Egypt, he stayed with
her in Maine for either six to eight months or six to eight weeks.
For a while, it was a statement that bothered us. For starters,
there was no other record or evidence of it, and secondly, it just
didn't track with what we knew about his military service. But when we started
digging into it, we found that based on the timeline, it would have
been impossible for Keyes to have lived in Maine for six to eight months,
but there were a few places where the timeline would allow for six to eight
weeks August through October of two thousand and February eighth through May twenty fifth of
two thousand one, which is just shy of four months where we can't place
Keys anywhere and aligns almost exactly with Heidi's statement both the time and time frame.
But when we first reported on this, the big question was how would
that have worked for his army service, And as we detailed in that episode,
long story short, Keyes would have needed to use any leave he had
before he was discharged, and he would have accrued quite a bit, particularly
while he was abroad. And so suddenly this crazy statement from Heidi not only
made sense but fit the timeline and the narrative. And all this is to
say, if Keys did in fact spend Spring of two thousand and one in
New England, it would explain why the house and the yard are in such
good and seemingly active condition in this Spring of two thousand and one photo,
because Keys was very likely just in the area for an extended amount of time,
or still was when the photo was taken. Based on the close proximity
in time for the three name is forty five disappearances. It seems also very
likely that he was taking people while he was there. Studio both and is
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with the item that looks like either a convertible sedan or a boat, since
it's the most disputed and the enhanced photos didn't help much with it. Some
people saw a truck, some people saw building supplies, some people saw a
boat, some people saw a convertible sedan, and some people saw a travel
trailer. To me, it looks exactly like a boat on a trailer,
but as a whole, it means that for now it's mostly moot, but
if it was a boat, the implications would be wide and terrifying. Next,
let's look at the white jeep or suv, which, for the sake
of brevity, i'll refer to as the suv. The suv is parked behind
the barn, so it would not be visible from the road or really anywhere
outside the property. It's parked pretty deep in some pretty heavy shrubbery, indicating
that it was either parked with the intention to conceal it, or that it
had been parked there for a significant period of time, or you know both.
And we know, based on the FBI records in the case files,
that Keys never owned, or at least never registered, anything resembling a white
jeep, suv, or van. And while we are actively pulling records on
cars owned by the Keys family, it doesn't likely belong to them, because
according to both Keys and Heidi, no one in the Keys family returned to
the Constable cabin after it was sold to Israel. But you know, grain
of salt. Obviously, the first case that comes to mind is Mora Murray's
due to the suspicious white jeep in the area on the night that she disappeared,
and the odd Chrysler part found in her car and the white marks on
her bumper. But while this car is at least jeep shaped, we can't
say for certain it is a jeep at all, let alone a jeep Grand
Cherokee. When you search NamUs for white jeeps, only four cases come up,
all of which are from two thousand and six or later. And when
you do a search for just white suv there are no cases anywhere north of
Florida on or near the East coast. And this goes on. Just about
every possible version of white jeep or suv that I plugged into NamUs brought forth
no new leads. But we can't forget that Keys also carjacked people and then
used those cars to commit crimes. And when we take a look at reported
sightings that include cars. There are a few possible matches for the suv.
A woman reported to the FBI that in or around the autumn of nineteen ninety
eight, a man resembling Keys flagged her down along Route four ninety six in
Franklin, Massachusetts and told her that her tailpipe was on fire when she got
out of her car. He tried to get her into his white van several
times. And while this car in question to me looks more like a jeep
or an suv, it's not outside the realm of possibility that it's a white
van. This sighting was at the same time as the two Orino main collision
rapist encounters we covered earlier this season. Old white Van comes up again in
the spring of two thousand and six in Carthage, Missouri, where a woman
claims she met Keys at a hardware store where he was asking if there were
any local handyman jobs because he was going to be in the area for a
while. And this is a little bit interesting because we do have two names
forty five disappearances out of Missouri. But the most interesting is almost a decade
after that two thousand and one photo was taken, and it's a sighting we've
covered many times, including briefly in the last episode in Plattsburgh, New York,
just thirty five minutes from Constable, a woman believes that Israel Keys followed
her from a convenience store to her office in the pre sunrise hours of either
April seventh or April twenty first. She described him as having slick back,
brown hair, a Roman nose, medium build, wearing car hearts, and
standing at about five foot ten. She said that he was driving an older
Jeep that was rusty and either tan or white and very dirty. And while
the suv and convertible or maybe boat have yet to yield any strong leads,
the Toyota minivan in the photo has taken us back to an entirely different arm
of our investigation data mining. The digital enhancement was most effective with the van.
It made it way more clear to see, including what appears to be
severe damage in its front end. The van is a very specific style of
minivan. Based on its shape, it is almost certainly and exclusively a Toyota
Previa or possibly a Toyota town Ase, but since the town Ace was made
and distributed exclusively in Japan, seems more likely to be a previa. And
that's where things got weird, because while we were searching the internet trying to
sort out exactly what type of van this was, Jordan quietly remembered something from
our twenty twenty two data mining. One of those data mining projects was to
go through various articles and blog posts on missing persons cases and look for comments
that mirrored Keys's comments on Samantha Koenig's articles, and one such comment rang multiple
alarm bells for us on an Anchorage KTVA article titled new Reward and Koenigg Disappearance
Case, Israel commented on March fifth of twenty twelve at two forty five am,
I really don't know what to say. This is beyond ridiculous, and
that's what happens. Why you have the public doing all work in making this
more stupid or worse as they already are. Besides, who in the right
mind would come forth like this if he was responsible and handle the bs that
comes with owning a disgusting place like a strip club. That's one of three
comments on the Koenik case that we factually know Keys made. But at eleven
forty one that same morning, another commenter posted the following on the same article.
Some people are so quick to judge. Seriously, this guy is trying
to help. It seems he has good intentions. I don't like strip clubs
myself and think they are trashy. But to each their own. I guess
he could just sell the business and add to the reward amount in that manner
too, But again, he's trying to help. Respect people respect. Let's
start with the phrase to each their own, which is obviously a common phrase,
but in Keys's lexicon it seems quite abundant. He says it multiple times
in the interviews, and he says it in his discuss comments twice, so
that stood out. But more than the phrase was the commenter's user name ak
TX, the state Keys lived in, and the state he was preparing to
move too and would be traveling to the following day. So we started running
that username through some of our various tools and came up with two very similar
email matches, meaning the username was associated with both email addresses which were similar.
We then ran those email addresses through a data breach search engine and found
that they were only associated with one IP address, the Anchorage Public Library.
To be more specific, the closest Anchorage Public library to Keys's house. Computers.
You mentioned when computers first cannot you start doing searches and looked just wanted
to see what was up with the military guys, when you would You've talked
before with us about there were a couple times that you would go on your
computer and do a search just to see if a body had been found or
I don't know, arsenal bank, rubber or whatever it is. When you
were doing it, how would you how would you do that? I mean,
did you know names of everybody? Or would you do this no search
a town or how would you do it? I was with the the exception
of the computer that you guys got, I generally wouldn't do it on the
home computers. I had another computer that I did use for a while,
but for the most part it was a computer that I was planning on having
around for a while. I would never do researches on it. Search as
I did do were usually pretty generic. I would type in an area or
a newspaper of an area, and type in a keyword. I would never
type in a specific name the name of the newspaper from the area, like
if I would use right so yeah, I would do a search of news
from an area I guess, and then pull up either a newspaper channel online
news, type in a keyword of something, and just scroll down the different
stories. So I found them one I was looking for. If I was
doing it from an anonymous computer like an airport or a library or something that
I would do, I would just type in what I wanted right away,
bring it up. Did you know the names or did you remember the names
of most of the people? Yeah, well yeah on the major things.
Yeah, okay. So we had commenting activity on the same article on the
same day as Keys. Language that mirrored Keys is both in and out of
the article comments, a username that was reflective of Keys, and an IP
address leading to Keys's local library. But we were also able to find this
person's email password in the data reach search and that didn't seem to have any
connection to Keys, and with that we were at a dead end until today
because that password matches the make and model of the van pictured at Keys's constable
cabin. So if this is Keys, and to me, it's way too
many coincidences for it not to be, But it's also not definitive in any
way. What is the significance of that Toyota Previa from over a decade before.
In twenty twelve, last in law enforcement came face to face with one
of this country's most prolific serial killers. His name is Israel Keys. Investigators
say Israel Keys had a so called murder kit. Keys strategically hit a box
filled with weapons and tools near the Winduski River. There is an orange home
deco bucket. Inside would be a gun, weapons of the ship tize.
He always flew somewhere, rented the car and then drove hundreds, if not
one thousand miles. He told investigators. He left the kids in Washington State,
Wyoming, and Texas and Land. The high one in Arizona was in
a whole bunch of states. I mean Alaska, Vermont, Washington, Oregon,
New York, New Jersey, California, Texas, Illinois, Tennessee.
Had a cash in Washington because a very month, all right, that was
a kid. I was used to dream that I'd find buried trader, and
very well, if they can't find it, I might as well create it.
Somewhere in the Pines is a serial podcast dedicated to locating the hidden caches
of American serial killer Israel Keys. Season one premiere Spring twenty twenty four.
Join the search at Somewhere in the Pines dot com. On a late night
this June, I sat in my office and pressed start meeting on what would
be a game changing moment and the first of many in our KEYS investigation.
Eight faces and about thirty years of KEYS research began to populate the video squares,
and for the first time ever, the True Crime Bullshit Research team and
the Somewhere in the Pines team were all face to face discussing things we've mostly
never discussed with the public. All of our findings, contributing experts, theories,
new and old leads, and a massive collaborative success. Hi everyone,
So it's like we have as much to talk about as we want or as
little. I figured this we could do something a little informal, but I'm
sure Dakota and Josh have a lot they want to share, and they've had
lots of questions about hunters. So I feel like, Jordan, you can
talk about hunters, but maybe why don't we all just start by briefly introducing
ourselves. It feels very like a corporate ye, but we discussed a lot
possible cashews, possible victims, disagreements. We discussed Jordan's findings in Hunters,
Washington. We do have the address, I do have property records, I
have a map with the property bunds on it, and I can get all
that information to you, guys. I just want to know why he was
there in the first place. Were you able to confirm a property that the
FBI had searched during their investigation, Jordan? They so, they had gone
to two hunters. They were asking about a property across the street from a
guy, and they mentioned when they left the interview, he was missing the
last two fingers on his right hand when he shook his hand, he's wearing
a glove. I was able to confirm through a traffic ticket on a CDL
that the guy that owned the house, the house across the street from the
one that I've identified, was missing the same two fingers, and through a
side TA he was actually sited and against his CDL because he failed to report
he dis missing those two fingers on his physical So we know for a fact
that that's the right property and address. I just don't know why he was
there. We don't know specifically what the link is. I've been digging on
it there's a lady up in Washington State that's been a ton of help.
I'll compile everything I've got on that property and in your way. Yeah,
years to the day after her and her wedding, so it was her.
It was like the day after her when you're wedding at her, when he's
at the property. Okay, and Jordans, did we confirmed that America keys
Hunters, Washington, Yes, yes, there is, yeah, there,
yeah, there there we go. That was blank. I'm sorry, it's
been a minute. So his sister, mister America married a man that lived
in Hunters and their properties right down the road from this place too. So
we discussed many of Joshua's and Dakota's theories on cash is just basically, now
look at us trying to find a cash, trying to find a specific kind
of cash, because we think there are six different types of cashes. So
that's that's kind of the We're really excited about that. So yeah, I
definitely love to talk to you about that. And throughout eighty minutes of conversation,
we discussed how the eight of us were going to collaboratively as a team
helped solve more of the Israel Keys case. Mountain on top the far below
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him, I spose. This episode was written, researched, edited, and
produced by me josh Hallmark, with additional research by Kim Ka, Michelle Tooker,
Shana Walensky, and Jordan Taylor. This episode featured Joshua and Dakota from
Somewhere in the Pines, Shana Wa Lensky, Michelle Tooker, Kim Kay and
Jordan Taylor. Special thanks to Kathleen Studor and Michael Beers. Resources included Vintage
Aerial dot Com, Cheapism dot Com, The Charlie Project, and NamUs.
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