Calling All Beings, y'all. All right, welcome back to Calling All Beings.
I'm your host Nathan, and we've got an amazing show for you guys
tonight. Very excited to speak with our guests. But before we get to
her, with a little bit of housekeeping, just to let everyone know what's
going on. So DJ, who's normally with us, and who will be
who normally does our amazing introductions. He's he's taking the night off. We're
giving him a little personal time. And one thing that we care about more
than the phenomenon is taking care of ourselves as well as each other. So
DJ, we hope that you're doing well and we'll have you back on a
S A P. But sending you some good, good vibes tonight. So
again, I am Nathan, the co host. I looked to interest my
other co host. We've got Chris uh At Chris Mellins Texas. What's up?
How are you guys doing? So excited to be here? Yeah,
it's gonna be a good one tonight. And then we've got our our researcher,
Extraordinary deb At Study of U A P's deb what's up? Hey?
Hello everyone, Deb? You can't hear me, I was talking. We
can hear you. Good to hear you, okay, great and Flair our
humorous antagonist, Flair. What's up? Hello? Hello, Fling, how
are you today? I am Flair. I need to ann better. Excellent,
Claire. Always good to hear from you. Sounding fantastic this evening.
Well, listen, we have an ex when the show lined up for you
guys tonight. We are incredibly excited to speak with this guest. She is
has a long background in PR, founder of vocab dot com, director of
Media at the Debrief. She's also a co host at an excellent podcast called
Alt Pop Repeat, and then you'll find her on her YouTube, which is
rebelliously Curious with Christy Newton. Welcome Christy to the show. Hey guys,
good to see everybody. Yes, normally DJ does if you're familiar with WWE
Chrissy, that's the kind of intro that DJ typically does for the show.
Nice DJ, you cannot you cannot do what DJ does though, so we're
just gonna do the chill method today. So anyway, we are incredibly excited
to have you with us. Chrissy. We're all big fans of what you
do at the Debrief and and everything else. I mean, it's crazy to
me just looking at the stuff that you do. I don't know how you
do it all. It's a lot of work what we do. How do
you up with everything on your plate? I am insane at scheduling. Starting
off as a publicist, you have to be extremely organized. So I my
days are really organized and people always laugh at me. My friends do,
from like going out for dinners to like what I'm going to do. Yeah,
it's I'm pretty organized. But I also, you know, I have
I have like my friend who does the other show with me all Pop repeat,
so she does she produces one show. I produce the other show.
So I'm not fully on my own. And then in vocab, I have
some other people that work for me. So it is a team. But
with the debrief, you know, we're a whole collective. So I just
you know, I don't have kids, that's one thing too. So I'm
lucky to be able to just be able to create all the time, which
is great, and just be scheduled. Yeah, yeah, that's amazing.
Now have you always been like that or is that something you kind of picked
up later in life. I would say later in life, like in my
early twenties if that's later in life, but for sure, when I was
a kid, I was not organized at all. But later on when I
started wanting to get into pr and I kind of figured out what it was
and knew what it was. Then it just demanded that at me that I
had to be really organized. So here I am, excellent, excellent,
Well, we were excited to have you with us. We're gonna do a
little bit of a round robin kind of question session, so you'll hear from
everybody on the panel. First up, we're going to speak with Dev.
Deb. I know you've got a load of questions for Chrissy. You wouldn't
believe the list of questions that Dev has compiled. So Dev, why don't
you kick it off for us? Well, I think the one that is
most interesting to me has to do with your recent suite about speaking to Travis
Walton. And of course you've spoken to a lot of major players in the
UFO community, so I was just kind of wondering, what were the significant
messages that you got from those interviews that you felt kind of stood out that
you want to to share. Oh, that's a great question. The Travis
Walton interview I did in twenty fifteen, so it was a really long time
ago at the UFO Congress, and this is way before obviously the UAP report
and everything else that happened in twenty seventeen with Louelizondo. So there I was
for me to meet him was a story that I've known for a very long
time with my father, and my dad has his book, and so when
I met him in real life, it was really for me to figure it
if I thought he was telling the truth or not, and when I did
when I met him, and my theory of like Travis has evolved over time
too. I'm in a different stance than probably where what was I met him
before, kind of going down this wormhole like UFO research and meeting people in
the community and learning more about his story and himself. So he you know,
he was really interesting and it was really compelling to meet him. And
then I think later on moving forward, like Lou Elizondo's interview with me,
you know, I've known Lou for a little bit now before I started at
the debrief i met him. I met him almost around the same time and
Lou's interview with China and his feelings about what's going to happen moving forward with
China, and then obviously the UAP Task Force in China is to me,
I think should be a bigger conversation than it is right now, especially in
our own community, because I think that's what's going to be happening next,
and even just politically. So his concern, as much as I had a
concern with it, and the larger conversation about what China is doing in their
technology, really opened up my eyes to look at what the DoD is doing
and what people and government are doing and how they actually are taking it serious.
So it made me I'm going to use the word believe, but it
made me look at Lou and say, Okay, I have more trust in
you than I might have had maybe before. I never know that I didn't
trust him, But you're always still questioning all the time. Right. You
can have a relationship with somebody, but it's always a form of surface level.
He's not like you know, he's not my best friend, and you
get to know him as a media perspective in a journalistic side of things,
in a relationship like that, So as that's grown and to see his concern
and to learn more about the conversations that they're having around international relationships in UFOs
is really interesting to me and extremely important. So nice Chris, I'm going
to put you up next. So what kind of question do you have for
Chrissy? Well, you know, I was going to ask a little bit
different type of question, but I'm sure we're going to come back to you
a piece. But I did want to talk to you a little bit backstage.
We mentioned Leslie Keane and I saw that you, you know, you
had talked to her specifically about surviving death. And I was on Priscilla earlier
this week and we were kind of talking about past lives and stuff. Was
there anything like really just like a surprising moment out of that or is there
something that you came out of that just kind of changing your perspective of things.
I wouldn't say anything changed when I talked to her. She's very much
who I thought she would be, and you know, I still believe that
even though for her perspective, and again, like nobody knows, we don't
really know, and the government would know if anything, if it was there
obviously their technology or foreign adversaries, But I do, you know, my
gut feeling tells me, and it's nothing. It's this is just pure gut.
Is not that I've heard anything or anybody else as the debrief, but
I really do feel that it might be a combination of UFOs and foreign adversaries.
I don't know if it's our tech, and I don't feel that it
is, but I do think that it's something that we've concerned about. I've
talked to Ben Hanson about this too, and he has the same feeling I
do about this, and is said, I'm glad you brought it up,
because I think we have to. I'm more scared, to be honest,
that it's foreign adversaries than it would ever be UFOs. So I think that
as a community, not just like obviously the government's looking at it in their
own perspective and always looking to see if it's foreign adversaries, but we should
be mindful as civilians as well too, because it says a law about what
might happen in the future if they have that type of technology and we don't.
So I think we're foreign adversaries. I don't think we'd be having this
conversation. Yeah, well, yeah, you never know. It's like if
somebody has that power but you know, so anyway, I'm sorry, I'll
no, it's okay. I think it might be both, you know,
and being to me, it's just there is a chance that it could be
both of them. And I was and I thought that she might have been
a little more aligned in that direction too, but she was very much like,
no, it's it's UFOs. That's it. It's not our attack,
it's not foreign adversaries, it's UFOs. And again, she's a way better
journalist than I am, and I will say that, and it's been more
experience than I have, so I will take her word on it. But
I am still open minded to that it could be both, and still looking
on the technology side of what's going on in foreign adversaries and always following that
because it can play a part in the way that we view UFOs here too.
And it's worth noting that before, you know, we had the reporting
in place that we now have because of you know, there revealing of the
videos and whatnot, if it were foreign tech no longers reporting it. They
were afraid to say anything. So we have a huge movements going in the
direction of just protecting ourselves in general because of what's happening with this community.
So yeah, that makes sense. You know. You speak to something though
that I think maybe we often overlook, and that's this we really haven't had
some significant breakthroughs in technology in a while. Like our technology when it comes
to aerospace and defense, I mean, it's still pretty much the same.
Like where there have been advances in stealth, there have been advances of course
recently in hypersonics. That's kind of the hot topic now. But what I'm
talking about is a significant breakthrough in technological performance when it comes to national defense.
And I kind of echo or sentiment that that if we're not devoting time,
energy, research effort into that kind of science, all it would take
would be one significant jump of an adversary and then you would be out maneuvered,
and that would put us at an extreme disadvantage. So I think that's
something we really shouldn't lose sight of there. Yeah, I agree. And
also then you know, politics might say, well, we're not going to
talk about UFOs, but it doesn't mean that UFOs go away, you know,
not at all. So people might just be like, oh, it's
for an adversaries, UFO conversation's done, let's move on. And news media
might do that. And as someone that works in pr and deals with the
UFO topic within the media and seeding that topic, you know, and breaking
stories to mainstream media, it's important to me that the UFO topics stays consistent
and stays academic, and then it doesn't go away or is overshadowed by something
else, because that's what's happened. You know, someone like myself would have
been the person in the early sixties that would have done like you know,
it would have been creating all those disinformation camp pains, right. So I'm
on the other side. My job is to you know, on in the
journalistic form with you know, some of the best investigative journalists that we have
at the debrief, like Mike Hanks, you know, Tim McMillan and m
J. Banias like the three of them and anyone else. Chris Plain as
well is becoming an amazing journalist in that space. So with them pushing forward
and finding that information and then I get to see it to mainstream media,
we get to have a play where that disinformation is vary less than what it
could be. And and everyone always says like they're like, we think that
the debrief is part of the d D. We're like, we're not like,
we're not funded by the DoD. We're all we're an independent organization,
you know that that has a that loves this topic and so that it's important.
I say, it's important to me. I wouldn't know if I can't
speak for the guys, but I would imagine it is. But having those
conversations that are larger and you know, telling the truth and finding truth is
way more exciting, and that's where we wanted to stay. And news media
or I'd liked it too, at least, Can I just say one thing.
I love the fully conversation because it was so cool here like somebody from
you know, coming from mainstream going, oh my god, we've just made
fun of this subject. You know, the entertainment has just just completely stigmatized
this. So I love that you also brought that perspective to your show.
Thanks. Yeah. I actually I as much as I love like Ancient Aliens
and I love Discovery and I love lay Ay, like I think there's a
place for them. And I say this lightly because you know, a lot
of people have been on different shows, and a lot of people in our
community have been on those shows and they're really great because they do have pushed
this the conversation forward. It's just being mindful that sometimes the stuff that they're
putting is entertainment and is in fact and it's more paranormal than it is scientific.
And so that's the only thing that I get. You know, I
get a little bit worried about, and I'm worried about and I hope that
in the future we start that starts to change, and we start using science
to you know, and less paranormal and start going hard science say it,
because that's what we do with the debrief. But I think it's way more
cool, Like I'm sorry, Like talking about warp bubbles and everything else that's
going on in science world is way more cool than what somebody's writing in a
paranormal show. No offense to the paranormal shows. They're fabulous, but I
think that what's actually going on in the real world is just way cooler.
I would freak to see a warp bubble in a lab, like I don't.
I think everybody here would like it would be It would be unbelievable.
So you know, hopefully one day I get to God, yeah, you
deal with this all the time, right, well, actually, yeah,
I actually I had a question. We're talking about the UFO community, right,
and how I was because I was looking at YouTube today. I noticed
that the big phone home and only has fifteen K views. And I'm looking
around and there's this trying best TikTok foods. It got one point six million,
you know, So do you think the UFO community should be trying to
took food on their shows? I'm just wondering, Well, if it's if
it's going to get a larger reach, sure, I think you know what
I think, like mainstream stuff, that's really I'm going to use we're fluffy.
People don't well, some people just don't care or they're scared, they
don't understand there's you know, or there they don't they haven't had an exit
in you know, somebody hasn't talked to them about it. And they're like,
oh, like there's lots of people still walking around. They are like,
oh, there's UFOs like what like, you know, I get it
all. I hear it all the time. So you know, there are
those chapters of people and I And what I think is going to happen is
in the next like ten years, we're going to see a real mainstream,
mainstream shift because right now, like UFOs were counterculture, they were counterculture like
I would say before twenty seventeen, and then then they became like subculture.
So now it's very much a subculture, and then it's moving into the mainstream
now too. So I think in ten years it will be a mainstream conversation
and politically because of politics, because of entertainment, and because of news media.
And they're also is probably going to be better footage because of the Galileo
Project and all the other research that's going on academically. So like in ten
years, like I think we're going to be laughing, and we're also going
to be at a different point and we're going to be having way different conversations
right now than we are than we are now. Well I hope we are.
Let's so, I hope we're getting the one point six million views,
you know, yeah, can you imagine? I know I always think about
that too, But you know, I've seen other people, Oh my god,
what's the one. His name's Nathan. I believe it does. I
believe he's had lou Elizondo many times. He does the Reddit question, the
Q and A, and you guys have probably seen it, and it's really
great. But he gets about one hundred thousand k views on his show,
and like, I love his show personally, I can't I forget the name
now they don't let go figure. But his stuff is really great and it's
compelling, and he brings on tons of different like people in the UFO community
and science and that's doing really well. And I'm happy for him because those
are the like conversations and round tables that mainstream media is not having. So
right, yeah, well, I want to ask you, you know,
with your experience with media and pr I mean, is it how do you
view kind of what becomes sticky sort of in terms of popular and what becomes
and what is also true? You know, there is kind of this like
interesting play between that and sometimes something that is popular is can be completely false,
and so you know, I wonder how you think of those things in
light of the media that that kind of we create and others who do interviews
create and uh, you know, what is actually true behind all of the
things that we're pursuing. Do you mean by like popular in the UFO community
or popular in general? I think well in general as well? Right,
So, there's you know, things that go viral or things that that people
tend to latch onto when it comes to media that they're very interesting it in.
You know, everybody always talks about fear driven media and how that you
know, gets a lot of eyeballs or whatever, but that may not necessarily
be the truth, right, So I wonder how you think about that in
terms of getting something, getting facts out and also getting attention. You know,
there's kind of a balance there, it seems. Yeah, you know,
I can speak to the debrief you know, after but before I would
say, I literally just had this conversation with Mike Shaw on my CHARTI Grade
interview that I released today, and we have a section it where we talk
about how there's click. So the whole conversation about like TARTI grades being you
know, using quantum entangled. It's not really like they did kind of quantum
tangle them, but it was very on a surface level. You know,
it wasn't to a level that people would have been like, oh, you
know, and also it wasn't pure reviewed. You know, there's tons of
things, but this paper comes out and people are like, this is true.
So they did do it to an extent but it's not. You know,
they overpopulated it. They wrote a really great headline and wrote a great
press release and it got picked up. Tarte grades are freaking amazing, So
why wouldn't it get picked up. Everyone loves them, and so then they
deserve all they deserve, all the press, all the press, all the
press. And so when we talk about that, he made a comment about
how it's all clickbait, and you know, and so that's popular, but
it doesn't mean that it's fully factual. There's fact in it, but there's
way more to it than what was actually alluded to. So I think there's
a lot of that goes on, and then we get things like other different
disinformation campaigns or fake news as we'll use the word, from different foreign adversaries
around the world that are, you know, putting in stories and persuading us
into i'll say North America. I'm Canadian, but into a North American perspective,
and that's causing things like civil war, and it's causing things like polarization,
so in creating extremist groups, and there's lots of stuff that happens because
of that disinformation that comes from other countries. So I think people need to
be mindful of that. And I think the way to solve that isbviously to
teach kids in school about journalism and like how to how do we through fake
news and how do you fact check things? We do it. I remember
when I was in school, like younger, we learned how to research stuff,
but it was only in cycling encyclopedias. It wasn't, you know,
in the Internet until I probably got into like, you know, just before
high school. So I think that like aging myself, you're good, uh,
I remember, yeah, exactly, going to the library. And so
I think that if you teach kids in school how to do that and how
to fact check and and and how to understand what they're reading and be able
to go back and look in and look at things like articles and finding research
from you know, from academic universities or science reports or anything that comes out
that they can read and fact check it rather than going to this website you
know that's like, you know, literally called fakenws dot com. Right.
My dad does that. My dad sends me stuff sometimes and he's like,
oh my god, Chrissy, you know, and then I'm like dad,
like, and then I like fact check it, and I send him something
and I was like, no, no, I was like master University,
just like totally discredit this doctor. And my dad's like, oh, he's
like I didn't know about that, and I was like yeah, I'm like,
you know, he's getting older, right, he's a he's an older
boomer, and in his conversation he doesn't know how to fact check the way
he is, but he's smart enough to know that, Hey, I don't
think this is right, and I'll just send it to my daughter to do
it, which is fine. I don't mind doing it. You know,
he taught me so much, so now I get to I get to do
it, right, That's what happens. Then, yeah, just saly,
yeah, one hundred percent. So I think that that's you know, that's
it. And then in same with the depbrief. You know, the guys
are always fact checking and looking at everything they do. I can't speak fully
as journalists for them and how they work obviously, because it's their you know,
that's their skill. I'm more of a conversation investigative, you know,
I don't call myself a journalist in that, but I'm more investigative conversationalist,
and so for them, I watch how they work and I see and I
see how they fact check and their sources that they have. And also like
Tim McMillan's a former former comp so he he has his eye of investigation is
I think is amazing personally and when I and he's so bright and he's just
so well for all of them are so world versed in so many different areas,
and they have a really good group of people that they can go to
and look into two facts a little bit better. So yeah, anyway,
that was a really long response. But yeah, I had one more thing
on Tardi grades before we move off, because today and looking at the interview,
I was so excited when we were getting ready for quantum entanglement an target
it's better in chocolate, right, I was all ready to go. I'm
like yeah, And then when he said that, I was like, oh,
dang, And I know look on your face. You were like quantum
entanglement. We're going to entangle those TARTI grades. But dang it, Yeah
that was sad, a little hit. No. I felt the same way
too. I was like, yeah, in your face, I'm like,
yeah, I know, we've done so much to Tardi grades. I actually
went online because I was promoting the video and I found I found a site
that says like the Tarti Grade Moon Rescue a group or project, and I
was like, that's amazing. So there's this Facebook group that wants to go
rescue all the Tarty grades that crash landed on the Moon. And I was
like, I'm joining this group because I'm here for that. Chad was saying
that we should have like a mass lawsuit, you know, for that We've
cast the Tarti grades. So I'm gonna take it from here because that's great.
We should when we go to the Moon, they should have like a
little Tarti glade collector when we go back, and they can bring them all
home, well, like we'll give them a little badges exactly. So I
don't know if they might want to stay there. Let's be honest too.
They're like, no, no, no, I'm good. What you got
okay. So I think one of the things that's interesting to me is just
that it's the truth and science seem to be, you know, your core
for finding out about the phenomenon. And of course that's fantastic. A lot
of people need that, they need those facts and all that, But I
want to know what what to you is sort of compelling with the phenomenon what
to you sort of like appeals to you or kind of what you feel might
be going on if as you if you're willing to say it, you know,
it's okay, Yeah, it's a great I think it's great. I
think you should. We should ask everybody that right what they're what their thoughts
aren't because they're in a different opinions and no one really knows, so you
know, everyone's the best guess is probably could be the best one. So
what what draws me to UFOs? Uh? If anyone's ever listened before,
My dad was really massively into UFOs and had a sighting when he was really
young when he was young, in like nineteen twenty or nineteen, when he
was nineteen or twenty, and so when he had a sighting and he had
a photo of it, he showed me it as a little kid, and
it like I just fell in love with it and like it just lit up
everything in me. So from there, understanding what was going on and following
with him and research that he was doing and people that he was meeting in
the community, like way before the internet and the documents that he had and
just there's so many things that you know in conversations. It was just I
learned so much about him and he created such an open mind for me in
that space. So that became really important to me as I started getting into
PR. So when I moved into PR, I would never ever been able
to talk about UFOs because I would have been blacklisted in the media. They's
just been like you're crazy, like you can't, you can't do that.
So for years I had Victor Viggiani, which is a friend of mine,
be like, hey, like can you can you do this? And he
was really being you know, he was a former principal and I was doing
a radio show and can't years ago. And so when he retired, he
really like dived into UFOs. And so I met him through Paul Hilliard and
another friend that used to work at NASA. And so what happened was he
I was at we were at a luncheon for Paul Hilliard and I met Victor
and Victor and I became like Insta friends, like super fast, not Instagram,
but like instant friends. And then he would ask me about like what
I was doing in PR, and then talking about media members and I would
send him some contacts or we would talk about strategy, and then he would
go and do it because I just couldn't under my company. I didn't want
to lose my job. I like obviously need to make money. And so
then as things started to progress, in twenty seventeen came around, he messaged
me and I was on a vacation in Mexico and he was like, you
see what's happening And I was like, oh my god, Like this has
been a goal is a PR person is to see this in the mass media,
and like forever, Victor's been trying so long in Canada just to get
you know, mainstream media, and so when I saw it, I was
just like, I'm I was on the beach and I just I'm looking up
and I was like, oh my god, like I can't even believe this
is happening right now. And as a PR person, You're just like it's
overwhelming because I know how hard it is to try to get through. And
so when it all started to unravel and I started a podcast with a friend,
I interviewed Jerey mccrbell is. When I started out Poper Pete and I
met Jeremy years ago before this, when he was following Bob Blazaar. I
met him at the UFA Congress and it was so funny because I wasn't a
journalist at that time like I was, and I was interviewing people around there,
and I think it was one of the previous years I was there with
a camera. But it was interesting with him because he said to me,
he was just like, Paul Hiller told me about you, and I'm like
what, and I'm like he did, and he's like, yeah, he
told me that there's a journalist that's a female journalist that I should meet.
And at that point I wasn't and I was in PR and I said,
oh, so we exchanged information, but I was doing my own journalism in
a way, not for an outlet. And so then fast forward years down
the road, I forgot the Jeremy and I even gave each other cell phone
numbers, and then I messaged him and I was like, I wanted I've
been obviously, UFOs have been so big in my life that they're becoming mainstream
now and this makes sense for the show that I'm doing All Pop repeat.
So he was our first interview, and then I just it started to open
up and and you know, UFO has become Maine more stream, mainstream.
You know, the debrief popped up, I was making more content. I
was working with Victor closely, more in stories that he was seeing in Canada
and giving him more strategy. And so when the debrief came around, I
messaged m J b Andias to create content and MJ just was like sure,
you know, I was, like, I said, I kind of want
to do all of it. I don't just love UFOs. I love all
of it, but UFOs is a common thread between all of us. And
God, I start I'm babbling, guys, and so long long story short.
He thank you, long story short. He uh, he said yeah.
So then we started creating. I started creating content for them, and
I gave some PR advice and things started really working with them, and we
all end up working really well. So they asked me to be part of
the company. And then that's kind of how it all aligned. So I've
really been able to use my ability in PR and that's what drove me through.
And it's very interesting that now I get to use that ability and it
like and I love it like I never ever thought in my entire life I
would ever get to do pr and like seed stories about you know, if
it's politically or whatever it is, if it's breaking stories to news media you
know around the world, like like what, like so amazing. So I
just I'm really happy that I get to do it. And it's and it's
fun. That's the other part too, So hard to get those combos aligned,
right, you know, it is and it you know, and there
are probably some people in Canada, I would imagine, or some outlets that
are probably just laughing a little bit at me, and maybe I've been blacklisted,
but at this point, I don't care, you know, I'm like,
I I love what I do. And American media is way more acceptable
in this conversation than Canadian media unfortunately right now. And hopefully that will change,
and you know, hopefully I'll I'll be able to to help advocate that
change at some point. I'm kind of gearing towards that. But yeah,
it's it's been an interesting bride and I'm just I'm just happy and it's just
really cool to be able to like talk to like different news outlets, you
know, in mainstream media and like and talk about UFO is on the phone,
like it's crazy. It's crazy, Yeah, yeah it is. Are
you related to Isaac Newton? Sorry? Do you imagine I would say that
people want to spell my name? I wish I was right everything? German?
Yeah, my backgrounds German Italian and apparently like we have a descend we're
descendants of of from We're English as well too, I found out later on,
but I'm mainly German Italian. So okay, nice, who's going next?
So it does? That's you go for it? Cool? So as
you were talking earlier about the team and how how you guys all work so
closely together the debrief and you guys are so bonded. So so as a
team, do you guys ever sit and really discuss like what if the phenomenon
just showed up right here, right now? How can we help the community?
How are we going to respond? You know, do you guys ever
kind of talk about, you know, kind of philosophizing through how how you
would handle it. We don't. We don't philosiphize how we would handle it.
You know, we would report about it. So I think that there's
like there would be an understanding like how it probably work is somebody would take
the lead on the story if it would either be Tim MJ or Micah,
depending on what the angle was. If it's like air Force or it's you
know, really deep history, would go Micah. If it's more political,
we'd go Tim. If there's culture related, we'd probably go more MJ.
So it just depends on who would write that piece and then or all three
of them would write it actually together, it could be possible, and then
what I would do is write a press release around it, and then I
would be seating our story if it was a breaking story. So we've done
this before, and we've done it many times in the UFO conversation where you
know, something's come out and broke, and the trans Medium article was one
of them that we ended up breaking and then just confirming that, you know,
Jeremy Corbell's stuff was confirmed from the Pentagon. You know, we we
broke a lot of those pieces. Germany obviously broke his first story. We
just helped push when we found out that it was that it was confirmed from
the DoD as not being theirs. So we've done this before many times and
so we know how to do it. So I think it'd be similar process
of what we do now and then we'd all just be freaking out in discord,
like in our discord chat and like you know, and then be like
oh my god, like and then you know, right, and then ours
would be like what strategy and then I would figure out what strategy we would
do to see to what media? You know, be unbelievable to break a
story like that, like I you know, like that. You can't even
ask for that as someone in journalism and everything else. To be able to
go out and tell people something that major, Oh my god, it would
be amazing. But and there's also people too that are it's part of study.
I believe one of them, I forget his name now as a scientist.
I just winded up watching World Science one of his interviews recently around table
that they did, and he is, oh gosh, I forget his name,
but he was one of the people that if something did happen, like
if obviously, if aliens came to light, came to earth and there was
something we said and there, you know, they showed us and they're like,
ah, we're here and in full and full on and ended up telling
us, let's just say, there are point people that they would go to.
And I found that, and I've been trying to contact him actually to
do an interview because I'm curious because Seti has a process of how they would
go about doing that, and then he would be that contact person and it,
you know, and then who would be talking to government. But there
would be a main face for it, and part of that is Seti,
I believe from what I've heard. So that's interesting, and we'd probably bring
that person into to talk with us. There would be a whole process around
it as well. But yeah, but I think it would just be what
we have now. It also depends on what we're talking about too, how
big it is, you know. Yeah, nice, Well, we have
a we have a question from the chat. So Chris, you might be
on mute, but you want to put that up on screen, and here
we go. That's our question from Rachel TTSA is no more Now to the
Stars? Media would love to hear your thoughts on the transition. Yeah,
so you mean, from like what Tom's doing in the movie and entertainment space.
I think that there's a space for Tom to tell his stories. You
know, he's moving away from news media and that's okay because his space and
you know, we're looking at Chris Christopher Mellen and like everyone else in Louela
Zondo that are really dedicated to the news media section of this, and I
think that there's a smart for them to do that because it keeps things in
the mainstream media and people having more daily conversations and learning more different academic level
too, rather than just doing like movies and entertainment shows. So I think
Tom's in there for a good reason too, because I think he's going to
create content that is going to be closer to fat and closer to what's actually
going on in the community than getting producers. And no offense to any producer
that produces UFO content, because I'm just happy you do. But they it
takes a lot to learn, right, Like You're like I've talked to some
directors and producers and they're like, oh my god, Like this is so
much. I'm like, welcome to the Welcome to the your faux world.
Yeah, yeah, I'm sorry. Not. The follow up to this is
because I think as I saw this this morning that the TTSA website's gone oh
I'm not surprised, yeah, and that the address for TTSA has changed to
a peel box now I have not vetted any of that. I just saw
it on Twitter, and I think that's where Rachel's coming from, that all
of a sudden, the website's just a dead url. Yeah, it might
be boarding information. So yeah, my speculation on that is that he's probably
just in a transition mode. Like I don't I don't know. I don't
know exactly, but I know from what I've been told that you know Tom,
and he's been very open about going into more film and television about UFOs,
So I think what he's doing is just transitioning the company, and a
lot of people that were on the board now are no longer there and have
done other things. So he's probably just making a totally new website and just
transitioning into something that's more aligned with what he's doing on brand and in the
film and television world. That's that's my thoughts. I don't think it's anything.
My husband just said, the site is back now up, updating back,
so everything's okay. So the government. Yeah, yeah, Well,
I wanted to ask you a question, a very kind of specific question.
It came up in Twitter today and I know you've interviewed Abvi Lobe about the
Galileo project. And the comment I think it came from Daniel Miller at UCR,
and it was essentially speaking to the the sort of members of the Galileo
project. It's it's got this big tent sort of mission in a way,
kind of bringing in lots of different scientists or whatever. But there is a
little bit of I think concern from some maybe on that project of who is
joining Galileo and whether or not that makes it more challenging for the academics and
the scientists who've signed onto that project to kind of put their names on the
on the dotted line just because of association with some of the more fringe sort
of ideas within the within the phenomenon community. So I wonder if you could
speak to that a little bit from a PR standpoint, also from just as
this is starting to kind of get out there more in the public sphere.
You know, is that a good idea to have a really bit big tint
or would you kind of recommend to keep it a little bit more narrowly focused.
It's a great question. I haven't even really thought about it in a
PR's perspective. We've just been busy, but thinking about like I know what's
going on, and I hear a lot of the politics and you know,
people arguing and stuff and our own community and what's going on with it.
I really love Avolobe and what he's doing in his team, and I've met
other talked to other people on his team, so and you know, and
what he's doing with Harvard. So I'm going to leave him and let him.
You know, I think he knows what he's doing. It's it's hard
to say, because he might have a larger plan at play that we're not
seeing here personally. If it was me, I it's hard because you want
to open it up to lots of different research and having the ability to have
people give in bring in data that's that is like correct and accurate. So
sometimes you need those other players that have that type of equipment and those abilities
to do that. Some of those people are not always the best, and
so maybe what he's doing when it comes to like weeding certain people out before
popping them up on the website is maybe just you know, holding onto that
information a little bit longer. That's what I would probably do. But again,
like he might have a bigger strategy at play than I even know.
So we'll see what happens. I just hope that what he's doing is still
going to roll out, and I hope that Harvard, even though some people
drop on and drop off, that Harvard still really backs this. And that
would be my only concern as a PR person is that Harvard would say,
I don't want to do this anymore, because that really gives so much leverage
and credibility to that program. So that's the only thing I would I would
be concerned about. But you know, what we see on along, you
know, and I would love to do this more is work in the science
community doing PR. Science community is not really good at it. Like they're
really not. And I don't know why. It's not saying that their communications
people aren't good at their job. It's just they're telling maybe telling stories in
different ways. You know. I am not a scientist in that way,
Like my background is humanities and arts, and then along with like communications,
that's what I do, and like you know, I postcard his corporate communications
of public relations. So I'm really versed in that in like what's going on
in the mainstream and along with them with culture. I'm not a scientist.
I just love science and tech like I just I'm fascinated by it and I
just love to be able to work in it. So what I've learned in
this space, I would love one day to be able to take over to
the science community to help frame stuff to be a little bit more retractive mainstream
wise. And there's there are probably other PR people doing it. I just
haven't met them before, and hopefully I get to. So I think that
that's what you know, Abby's I think he's trying to do that, and
I think he's trying to do something different. So I'm just going to watch
it for a while. But if anything, what I would have done is
hold on to those names a little bit longer to see what happens, rather
than just kind of popping everybody up all the time and letting like, you
know, if people are having politics internally in the own community, let them
sort that out. And if they don't, well then that's their own loss,
right right, If I could ask one fall up to that. The
kind of the on ram for this topic seems like it is the nutnuts and
bolts component, the the national security component, that's you know, getting politicians
engaged. That seems like a very easy place to get into this topic and
distribute it, you know, sort of amongst the larger, you know,
the world, if you will. What do you think about the progression of
the story and where it may go? So it's obvious kind I think where
we're starting, where do you think it may end? These are really great
questions, guys. It's like really great questions politically. So I had this
conversation just recently too. I talked to Dave about this because we talk about
how UFOs are political right now and how they haven't been polarized yet. I'm
worried that they will be. And I'm worried that certain political extremist groups will
take the UFO narrative. And they have in the past and have used it
just as a conversation. They haven't used it as part of their agenda,
but they've used it in larger, broader conversations. So I'm worried that we're
going to have certain extremist political groups decide to attach themselves to UFOs and then
be like, oh, you know, this is and ever, and then
news media is going to discredit it, and then entertainment will discredit it because
they'll think it's just an extremist movement when it's not, and I think I'm
you know, I'm looking at that more than anything. And still in the
political space as well, I do think that people I have seen other lobbyists
that have political agendas. I obviously won't say who, but we've seen that
they've created these lobbyist groups and you can tell that they're just looking for money
within the UFO community. And I've smelt that out pretty bad where I'm like,
I don't trust them, So I'm worried about that, and I like
people to be mindful of that too when they're deciding on who they're going to
give money to or donate anything too. When it comes to lobbyists in that
to know who they are and really if they are working towards the community and
helping this rather than just money, because people out there that do that.
And then along with then yeah, like making sure extreme extremist groups don't politicalize
it. And then along with like if a politician is going to come in,
they actually do want to make some change, and we are seeing that,
like right now with the bipartisan and everything else that's been done, we're
seeing like two different sides of political political parties that are now working together and
like it's unbelievable. Like I just I think it's amazing, and I just
hope it stays like that for a very very long time. So that's that's
that's my wish in that. But we'll see, you know. And to
be honest, I really think that the UFO community is not going to let
the not polarization is going to happen on its own. Maybe, but I
don't think the extremist side of things. I think the UFO community is going
to be really great at handling that ourselves. To be honest, it's the
most amazing, one of the most and I say this because I'm part of
it and I'm biased, but it is one of the best communities. Like
I've seen people work together and it's unbelievable around the world. So I wish
we are we should be more of an example of that, I think for
other other communities. Totally agree again, but I'm bussed same. You have
a question. Yeah, I was going to ask. With things like,
you know, obviously the web telescope, the Invisible college, being more visible,
people being more aware of fringe science and things like that, what are
you most excited about coming up? You know, between your own interests science
and the debrif, what are you excited about seeing come out soon? Oh?
Man, I love Chris Plain's articles around warp bubbles. I've been talking
to him about warp bubbles for so long before that article came out, So
that stuff in the science community. I'm super excited to see what they're going
to do with that. On different levels. I'm massively an Elon Musk,
you know, fan, and follow his work. I like what they're doing
with the neurolink. I'm curious to see what he's going to do with that
and how that's going to integrate into our own society. I know that he's
testing on humans coming up, uh and then this year and then along with
the Metaverse. Like love everything to do with the metaverse, right So it's
so exactly like I'm trying to get the Facebook beta. I have a friend
that's in the in the meta beta right now, and I was like,
I need and I think he's obviously using its request too, but I'm like,
I need to get my hands on that beta because I'm I'm really interested
to see how we're going to have mixed reality and what that's going to look
like. You know. That's like I'm I think that we're in the best
time for science right now, and everyone's going to keep saying that as it
gets, you know, more exciting. But right now it's so cool because
it's like so sci fi and you're like, this is like I can't believe
we're even talking about mixed realities right now. I am a little scared,
to be honest too. It doesn't mean that I'm not you know, I
have I have concerns, but I'm I'm a little bit of a I like
the new stuff that's coming out. I'm just keeping those are my you know,
outside of all stuff in the UFO community, the tech stuff, that's
that's what's really interesting to me. But yeah, on the UFO side of
things, I just I'm interesting. I'm really interested in the political conversations right
now and what's going to happen too, So that's in the international conversation that's
really important to me. And I've talked to lou Alisondo about this, and
I've told him, like, those are things that I care deeply about,
is like how international relations are going to look at this UFO topic and how
we're all going to work together around the world. As countries. So nice,
Yes, they're going to bring us together a tiers apart. Yeah,
exactly. I found that looking at your interviews, like you've got a really
good you do a very good job of synthesizing topics. So I don't know
if you kind of plan on that when you go into an interview, but
like your interview with Lou is a good example of this, and what you
just talked about, you kind of approached it from an angle that I don't
think many people would. You're looking at the bigger picture. And I've noticed
this too with your Alt Proper Peat show, Like you guys do a good
job of kind of like kind of pulling things back and making them relevant again,
or looking at what the what might be popular, what kind of means
in larger context. So, you know, how do you view this subject,
the study of the phenomenon or UFO's up in the context of kind of
human history? You know, what, what what sort of common themes do
you see reoccurring with our fascination with this? You know, it's it's almost
as like when Enlightenment science came along, we were like, yeah, we're
done with that, We're done with this stuff. That's really mysterious. We're
just going to look at the tiny things and study them under the microscope,
and everything else out there we're going to ignore. But now we're we're seemingly
entertaining these sort of notions again through things like quantum physics, which is teaching
us that the universe is far stranger than we ever thought. So, you
know, what are your thoughts kind of from a macro perspective on this subject
with you know, sort of human behavior, human history, And thank you
for the compliment. First of all, that's awesome, Thank you. I
think on a larger it's again a really great question. I think on a
larger scale, you know, it's hard because we won't know and we'll see
what happens in the future. But what I would predict to happen, and
what I would like to happen, is that we use science like we're using
quantum physics, and the things that we're learning now is we get to prove,
you know, more things that are a paranormal, not even just UFOs,
and have those conversations. UFOs are opening the door now for larger,
other fringe topics to come in to be taken academically and taken seriously. So
that's exciting and I think that will happen more. And I think we probably
will look back in our past history and say, oh, like maybe we
were going down the wrong road and maybe somebody else was going down the right
road. So I think we will compare and we will find those you know,
we use that word sync in all pop repeat, which means like something
that's like come together, like what is what was a catalyst moment that moves
something to me mainstream? So I think we'll find that, and you know,
science will help create those like sync moments, and then news media will
report on it, but we will look back. We always do, like
you know, Dave Foley said to me once too in an interview previously,
where he was just like, you know, we'd laughed because germs, we
didn't believe it, you know, and then and a lot of people died.
Like He's just like it was laughable, and it's a good point.
So I do think that we're going to look back on some of the science
that we have now and realize that that we weren't right and look at and
maybe other French scientists or other data that's come forward and saying that it's somewhat
correct. So I think a lot of people are going to have different moments
in the community that might have not have been respected before in all different science
and tech and maybe have their day too. So and then some some might
not some we might prove that some of its you know, people that were
mainstream scientists weren't as right as we thought they were. And I think that
will happen, especially when this UFO conversation and revels even more, because we
do have is like, you know, there's multiple theories. There's so many
theories, but we also have these different sides too, where science is saying,
you know, we have like Skinwalker Ranch, right, and like what's
going on there, and like all the paranormal stuff that's happening there, and
these groups of people that are legit saying these things are happening, and they
are getting this other part of the community that's like I still don't know right
now. So I think that that might come a little bit closer. And
I'm I'm very interested in Skinwalker Ranch personally, like everybody else's. After reading
those books, I'm like, oh my god, George, like get me
on the ranch, so I you know, and then oh, one hundred
percent. I would go one hundred percent. I'm trying to go I would,
yeah, yeah, I would. I have you know, I've yeah,
I don't have a fear in that way. If anything, if you've
got if you've read the you know the books or you know, might be
spoiler alert. But if I have people, I'm running. But you know,
those blue blue little orbs do scare the crap out of me a little
bit. I think I'd be running over one of those even it was fake,
someone who was like, you know, making a joke. Watch Chrissy
run for the Hills, you know. But when I read that in the
book Skinwalkers at the Pentagon, you know that, I remember at night I
was like, oh my god, like you did it again, guys.
It was like scaring the crap out of me. I scared myself at night,
And I'm like, man, I know that, but but at the
same time, like we don't, you know, you don't. These are
these are conversations that people have had and you know, and their experiences too.
So I'm not going to tell somebody that their experience is right or wrong.
I would like to experience it myself. But reading those books, those
orbs the blue orbs do scare the crap out of me. Yea, I
have a pet orb. Actually he's very Yeah, what's his name? Would
you like to see him? I have some pictures of him, actually,
I would love that if Nathan has him queued up, I do hold on
one second and we'll get him on here. Nice. Actually he doesn't have
a name yet, but you should hopefully can you can? You can help
name them. So I got him at on sale. He's at at Walmart
actually surprising. You see there there's a shelf and there's the ORB section.
You know, sometimes I have it. I brought him home. You gotta
wear a Faraday cage I found because the tinfoil hat is not enough. People
need to put those Faraday cages on their heads. People don't realize tinpoile hat
thing doesn't work. This is his breakfast. He likes to eat magnets.
They're gonna magnets. Can you go have a magnet and the meat? Taken
him for a walk, you know, he does really good on walks or
she I'm not sure yet. I don't really know how to get the gender.
They Yeah, and this is you know, just hanging out my little
orb. Their dress we want going out out a question from DJ. Can
I pop it up? Yeah? There we So question for Chrissy. If
you were writing the headline the state of the UFO topic today three years from
now, what would that headline be? Oh? Oh, I don't know,
God, that's a great one. I don't know what I would write
the you know, uh, you know everyone in the UFO community was right.
Uh, I don't honestly, I don't know what the headline would be.
I was just happy that or you know, it would be that,
you know, like UFOs brought us together, you know, the UFO topics,
what brought us all together? That would that would be wonderful in any
way. You know, UFOs create world peace. I wish you You're like,
yeah, yeah, would be told you so, yeah, exactly exactly.
Yeah, I feel like, yeah, go ahead, yeah please,
I'm sorry. No, I'm just doing a time check because I know that
because she's got to go in five minutes. I want to make sure if
we have any other questions from the panel that we get them in there.
These are really great guys, These are some really great pr questions and no
one's ever asked me before, so I really respect that. I love talking
about it too, So thank you. Yeah, it's great, great to
have you with us. Uh. Well, I'll defer anyone on the panel
have a question or or something from that chat I got. I got a
question actually about secret societies. Right, you're you're really into secret societies?
Can you get me into one? I've I'm not in any secret society I
know. I wish I was. Uh for the longest time. Oh my
god, I forgot their name. Now the Illuminati, Oh my god,
there you go. What is the with the rings? Oh my god,
Chrissy. The Freemasons I have, Yeah, I met I remember when I
was when I was really young. I sorry, I couldn't remember. I'm
like, god, I should know my secret societies here. I just find
them interesting as as a topic. And I remember I've met a couple of
Freemas in my life, and you know, I'm like, SyRI you with
the Illuminati, can I see your ring? You know? And I've asked
them, yeah, And I've asked them questions, and it's I find that
I find it really like for them. They're they're like nothing's going on on
their end, But I still find it super intriguing. They always have.
But I'm not. No, I'm not part of any secret societ. I
don't know if they would invite me in if it was a UFO one,
probably, but I don't know if we have any UFO secret societies. Would
you tell us if you were, I don't know. This is my alibi.
That's it. Let me let you know, Let the rumors fly.
I guess clip that part right. They're like, oh, my gods,
working at the Pentagon, I'm part of a secret society. You are,
yes, but it's not that sacred anymore. You guys can all join this
Society for Scientific Exploration. Oh nice, Yes, that's where the people can
go be anonymous into fringe science if they want to. Yeah. Yeah.
She's shared a lot of the stuff from the scientific from that community and also
the Scientific Coalition for what is it that the actual acronym s I say,
the Society for Scientific Exploration. Yeah, yeah, that one. Yeah,
you know what you just said. But there's a ton of like academic videos
on there. They actually have a YouTube channel and they're on Twitter. But
it's a lot of very well known academics, you know, PhDs, talking
about a lot of interesting subjects. But you can be anonymous it's a secret
society they allow to be anonymous. Oh yeah, so what is going on
with you next, Chrissy? What we are? You know, we are
dropping a story at the debrief that's going to be a debrief exclusive that people
in our community to be really interested in. So I can't it's a leak.
That's all I can say about it. And it should be next week,
so from what we're planning, So yeah, that's going to be really
exciting. So that that that will be my next when you guys see that
that article drop, that will be my next video. So I'm really really
excited to talk about it. And I have a crap load of research I
need to start doing, uh so for next week to clear your calendars,
everybody. It's gonna be a good one. Yeah, we should be.
I should be dropping the video myself on Thursday or Friday, so it should
be around that time. But it's not. We're like, it's not one
hundred percent confirmed, but hopefully so I get That's that's the most I can
say right now. But I'm I'm really excited to do it, and it's
someone I've been wanting to talk to you for a very very long time.
So I'm just excited that I get the chance to amazing. Here's a question
I have for you. Where is Tim's part four of his four part?
Uh? We always make fun of him on that. We're like something.
We're like, oh, something's gonna happen. We're like Tim's part four or
is that dropping? In discord? We're asking yeah, right, so we
don't know. We're asking too. We're like, Tim, where is this?
So? I don't? I don't that's a Tim thing. I I.
We haven't talked about it in recent weeks, but at some point I
think you will be. I love to tell them we haven't forgotten. We
haven't forgotten. I will tell him that the discord, Yeah, living together,
mcan go okay, do we need do we have time? From?
One last question? And who wants to take it? Deb? There's one
in the chat and there's one deb, Did you want to ask a question?
I know I was just referencing. We have one in the chat.
It's about the U A p X. It's right from Kelly open muse.
Is Christy aware of U A p X U A P expeditions? They recently
returned from an expedition Ketalina Island, looking for tic TACs say the analyzing the
data cuts. Yes, I'm actually in the new documentary that's coming out.
Yeah, so I just pro a moment. I'm in it. I was
in California and Katalina Island, and I was in California last year, so
I will have a moment in it. And that's all I can say about
that. But I do know the guys at u ap X, Yes they
do. I did meet them in person last year. It was invited to
come to go meet them, and I had dinner with them and then I
ended up just you know, finding myself on an expectition for like an evening.
So wow, yeah, yeah, they're great. I love Harry and
everyone else. Yeah, incredibly Well. No, I mean I just got
to say, I know, we could talk to you for a very long
time. I appreciate the It's not just you know, Christy, just to
be honest with you, it's not just the quality of the work that you
do, but your passion for this subject is very evident, you know,
and it's really cool to see that, and it's I think that's hard to
find. It's also probably why people resonate with what the debrief is doing because
it's a it's it's just something that everybody on that team seems to share.
And uh, you know, I think, you know, for myself personally,
I'm by the rest of the team, but you know, kudos to
what you guys do, and I keep up the great work. And I
know that you know in this in this topic, there's a lot of controversy
and you can't put out anything without somebody saying, oh, well, you
did this wrong or whatever. But I just want to encourage you guys to
keep doing the great work you're doing and uh and not you know, give
up. And you know we're you have a lot of support in the community.
Thank you, Like, thank you so much. I'll tell the guys
that too, and everyone else on the team like, and I thank you
for a compliment. I appreciate that. Like I love the topic a lot.
And that was a fear of mine when I started getting into this.
I was like, people are gonna people are really gonna believe that. And
at the point I was just like, I don't care because I care.
And at one point I was like, if you don't watch it or they
do, I don't care. I just like to do it. It makes
me happy. So I'm just glad that people and just glad people like the
content like I really do, and I appreciate that mentally appreciate is watching.
I appreciate people sharing everything. So thank you for that. Than You're welcome.
We appreciate you seeking the truth. Yeah, and you do. That's
what we're all here for. One thing we all have in common. Everybody
likes truth in this community. That's and I think that's such an honorable thing
to like and to want and to be part of. So absolutely, well,
thanks again for joining us, and we're going to keep our eyes out
for what's coming next week. Speaking of next week, just on our own
show, we have Ryan Spray coming up to join us on Wednesday, looking
forward to chatting with him, UH and UH, and then we have other
shows planned UH in the coming weeks ahead that we're really excited about. So
anyway, for myself, Nathan, for Akashi, Chris dev Study of UAP's
and Flarius Kevin UH and for Christy Newton, we thank all of you for
joining us on CAB and we'll see you next time. Bye, Thanks bye,