WEBVTT 1 00:00:06.639 --> 00:00:35.960 Calling All Beings, y'all. All right, welcome back to Calling All Beings. 2 00:00:36.000 --> 00:00:40.000 I'm your host Nathan, and we've got an amazing show for you guys 3 00:00:40.000 --> 00:00:43.479 tonight. Very excited to speak with our guests. But before we get to 4 00:00:43.520 --> 00:00:47.039 her, with a little bit of housekeeping, just to let everyone know what's 5 00:00:47.079 --> 00:00:49.200 going on. So DJ, who's normally with us, and who will be 6 00:00:49.280 --> 00:00:53.079 who normally does our amazing introductions. He's he's taking the night off. We're 7 00:00:53.079 --> 00:00:56.920 giving him a little personal time. And one thing that we care about more 8 00:00:56.920 --> 00:01:00.200 than the phenomenon is taking care of ourselves as well as each other. So 9 00:01:00.359 --> 00:01:03.439 DJ, we hope that you're doing well and we'll have you back on a 10 00:01:03.600 --> 00:01:06.640 S A P. But sending you some good, good vibes tonight. So 11 00:01:07.079 --> 00:01:10.799 again, I am Nathan, the co host. I looked to interest my 12 00:01:10.840 --> 00:01:15.599 other co host. We've got Chris uh At Chris Mellins Texas. What's up? 13 00:01:17.760 --> 00:01:19.840 How are you guys doing? So excited to be here? Yeah, 14 00:01:19.879 --> 00:01:23.879 it's gonna be a good one tonight. And then we've got our our researcher, 15 00:01:23.920 --> 00:01:27.280 Extraordinary deb At Study of U A P's deb what's up? Hey? 16 00:01:27.480 --> 00:01:34.799 Hello everyone, Deb? You can't hear me, I was talking. We 17 00:01:34.840 --> 00:01:40.480 can hear you. Good to hear you, okay, great and Flair our 18 00:01:40.680 --> 00:01:46.000 humorous antagonist, Flair. What's up? Hello? Hello, Fling, how 19 00:01:46.040 --> 00:01:53.879 are you today? I am Flair. I need to ann better. Excellent, 20 00:01:53.799 --> 00:01:57.239 Claire. Always good to hear from you. Sounding fantastic this evening. 21 00:01:57.840 --> 00:02:00.920 Well, listen, we have an ex when the show lined up for you 22 00:02:00.959 --> 00:02:06.439 guys tonight. We are incredibly excited to speak with this guest. She is 23 00:02:06.640 --> 00:02:10.879 has a long background in PR, founder of vocab dot com, director of 24 00:02:10.919 --> 00:02:15.639 Media at the Debrief. She's also a co host at an excellent podcast called 25 00:02:15.919 --> 00:02:22.879 Alt Pop Repeat, and then you'll find her on her YouTube, which is 26 00:02:22.919 --> 00:02:29.120 rebelliously Curious with Christy Newton. Welcome Christy to the show. Hey guys, 27 00:02:29.319 --> 00:02:42.120 good to see everybody. Yes, normally DJ does if you're familiar with WWE 28 00:02:42.319 --> 00:02:45.159 Chrissy, that's the kind of intro that DJ typically does for the show. 29 00:02:45.759 --> 00:02:50.759 Nice DJ, you cannot you cannot do what DJ does though, so we're 30 00:02:50.800 --> 00:02:53.639 just gonna do the chill method today. So anyway, we are incredibly excited 31 00:02:53.639 --> 00:02:57.680 to have you with us. Chrissy. We're all big fans of what you 32 00:02:57.759 --> 00:03:00.919 do at the Debrief and and everything else. I mean, it's crazy to 33 00:03:01.000 --> 00:03:04.719 me just looking at the stuff that you do. I don't know how you 34 00:03:04.759 --> 00:03:07.639 do it all. It's a lot of work what we do. How do 35 00:03:07.680 --> 00:03:13.840 you up with everything on your plate? I am insane at scheduling. Starting 36 00:03:13.879 --> 00:03:17.240 off as a publicist, you have to be extremely organized. So I my 37 00:03:17.400 --> 00:03:21.759 days are really organized and people always laugh at me. My friends do, 38 00:03:21.879 --> 00:03:25.039 from like going out for dinners to like what I'm going to do. Yeah, 39 00:03:25.199 --> 00:03:29.560 it's I'm pretty organized. But I also, you know, I have 40 00:03:29.919 --> 00:03:31.759 I have like my friend who does the other show with me all Pop repeat, 41 00:03:31.960 --> 00:03:35.919 so she does she produces one show. I produce the other show. 42 00:03:36.000 --> 00:03:38.039 So I'm not fully on my own. And then in vocab, I have 43 00:03:38.080 --> 00:03:40.560 some other people that work for me. So it is a team. But 44 00:03:40.639 --> 00:03:45.039 with the debrief, you know, we're a whole collective. So I just 45 00:03:45.400 --> 00:03:47.439 you know, I don't have kids, that's one thing too. So I'm 46 00:03:47.520 --> 00:03:51.120 lucky to be able to just be able to create all the time, which 47 00:03:51.159 --> 00:03:53.319 is great, and just be scheduled. Yeah, yeah, that's amazing. 48 00:03:53.360 --> 00:03:55.520 Now have you always been like that or is that something you kind of picked 49 00:03:55.560 --> 00:04:00.840 up later in life. I would say later in life, like in my 50 00:04:00.879 --> 00:04:03.639 early twenties if that's later in life, but for sure, when I was 51 00:04:03.639 --> 00:04:06.919 a kid, I was not organized at all. But later on when I 52 00:04:06.960 --> 00:04:11.000 started wanting to get into pr and I kind of figured out what it was 53 00:04:11.080 --> 00:04:15.400 and knew what it was. Then it just demanded that at me that I 54 00:04:15.439 --> 00:04:18.600 had to be really organized. So here I am, excellent, excellent, 55 00:04:18.839 --> 00:04:20.720 Well, we were excited to have you with us. We're gonna do a 56 00:04:20.720 --> 00:04:24.600 little bit of a round robin kind of question session, so you'll hear from 57 00:04:24.800 --> 00:04:28.279 everybody on the panel. First up, we're going to speak with Dev. 58 00:04:28.360 --> 00:04:31.399 Deb. I know you've got a load of questions for Chrissy. You wouldn't 59 00:04:31.399 --> 00:04:34.639 believe the list of questions that Dev has compiled. So Dev, why don't 60 00:04:34.639 --> 00:04:38.360 you kick it off for us? Well, I think the one that is 61 00:04:38.439 --> 00:04:44.120 most interesting to me has to do with your recent suite about speaking to Travis 62 00:04:44.160 --> 00:04:47.800 Walton. And of course you've spoken to a lot of major players in the 63 00:04:47.879 --> 00:04:54.759 UFO community, so I was just kind of wondering, what were the significant 64 00:04:54.879 --> 00:04:59.560 messages that you got from those interviews that you felt kind of stood out that 65 00:04:59.600 --> 00:05:03.680 you want to to share. Oh, that's a great question. The Travis 66 00:05:03.800 --> 00:05:08.920 Walton interview I did in twenty fifteen, so it was a really long time 67 00:05:08.959 --> 00:05:14.040 ago at the UFO Congress, and this is way before obviously the UAP report 68 00:05:14.279 --> 00:05:18.319 and everything else that happened in twenty seventeen with Louelizondo. So there I was 69 00:05:18.560 --> 00:05:23.480 for me to meet him was a story that I've known for a very long 70 00:05:23.519 --> 00:05:28.839 time with my father, and my dad has his book, and so when 71 00:05:28.839 --> 00:05:30.800 I met him in real life, it was really for me to figure it 72 00:05:30.879 --> 00:05:35.040 if I thought he was telling the truth or not, and when I did 73 00:05:35.120 --> 00:05:40.279 when I met him, and my theory of like Travis has evolved over time 74 00:05:40.399 --> 00:05:43.879 too. I'm in a different stance than probably where what was I met him 75 00:05:44.000 --> 00:05:47.519 before, kind of going down this wormhole like UFO research and meeting people in 76 00:05:47.560 --> 00:05:54.279 the community and learning more about his story and himself. So he you know, 77 00:05:54.319 --> 00:05:58.519 he was really interesting and it was really compelling to meet him. And 78 00:05:58.560 --> 00:06:02.120 then I think later on moving forward, like Lou Elizondo's interview with me, 79 00:06:02.600 --> 00:06:05.399 you know, I've known Lou for a little bit now before I started at 80 00:06:05.399 --> 00:06:10.800 the debrief i met him. I met him almost around the same time and 81 00:06:11.079 --> 00:06:16.439 Lou's interview with China and his feelings about what's going to happen moving forward with 82 00:06:16.519 --> 00:06:20.920 China, and then obviously the UAP Task Force in China is to me, 83 00:06:21.000 --> 00:06:24.920 I think should be a bigger conversation than it is right now, especially in 84 00:06:24.959 --> 00:06:27.800 our own community, because I think that's what's going to be happening next, 85 00:06:27.839 --> 00:06:31.480 and even just politically. So his concern, as much as I had a 86 00:06:31.519 --> 00:06:34.759 concern with it, and the larger conversation about what China is doing in their 87 00:06:34.759 --> 00:06:40.759 technology, really opened up my eyes to look at what the DoD is doing 88 00:06:40.800 --> 00:06:43.879 and what people and government are doing and how they actually are taking it serious. 89 00:06:44.160 --> 00:06:46.639 So it made me I'm going to use the word believe, but it 90 00:06:46.680 --> 00:06:49.120 made me look at Lou and say, Okay, I have more trust in 91 00:06:49.160 --> 00:06:53.120 you than I might have had maybe before. I never know that I didn't 92 00:06:53.120 --> 00:06:56.720 trust him, But you're always still questioning all the time. Right. You 93 00:06:56.759 --> 00:07:00.399 can have a relationship with somebody, but it's always a form of surface level. 94 00:07:00.439 --> 00:07:03.000 He's not like you know, he's not my best friend, and you 95 00:07:03.000 --> 00:07:06.120 get to know him as a media perspective in a journalistic side of things, 96 00:07:06.160 --> 00:07:10.639 in a relationship like that, So as that's grown and to see his concern 97 00:07:10.839 --> 00:07:15.160 and to learn more about the conversations that they're having around international relationships in UFOs 98 00:07:15.279 --> 00:07:21.759 is really interesting to me and extremely important. So nice Chris, I'm going 99 00:07:21.759 --> 00:07:24.720 to put you up next. So what kind of question do you have for 100 00:07:25.079 --> 00:07:30.240 Chrissy? Well, you know, I was going to ask a little bit 101 00:07:30.399 --> 00:07:33.839 different type of question, but I'm sure we're going to come back to you 102 00:07:33.959 --> 00:07:38.480 a piece. But I did want to talk to you a little bit backstage. 103 00:07:38.519 --> 00:07:42.199 We mentioned Leslie Keane and I saw that you, you know, you 104 00:07:42.240 --> 00:07:46.759 had talked to her specifically about surviving death. And I was on Priscilla earlier 105 00:07:46.800 --> 00:07:48.720 this week and we were kind of talking about past lives and stuff. Was 106 00:07:48.720 --> 00:07:54.319 there anything like really just like a surprising moment out of that or is there 107 00:07:54.360 --> 00:07:59.759 something that you came out of that just kind of changing your perspective of things. 108 00:08:01.399 --> 00:08:03.079 I wouldn't say anything changed when I talked to her. She's very much 109 00:08:03.079 --> 00:08:07.519 who I thought she would be, and you know, I still believe that 110 00:08:09.079 --> 00:08:11.920 even though for her perspective, and again, like nobody knows, we don't 111 00:08:11.959 --> 00:08:15.920 really know, and the government would know if anything, if it was there 112 00:08:15.920 --> 00:08:20.519 obviously their technology or foreign adversaries, But I do, you know, my 113 00:08:20.600 --> 00:08:22.720 gut feeling tells me, and it's nothing. It's this is just pure gut. 114 00:08:22.839 --> 00:08:26.160 Is not that I've heard anything or anybody else as the debrief, but 115 00:08:26.199 --> 00:08:30.600 I really do feel that it might be a combination of UFOs and foreign adversaries. 116 00:08:30.720 --> 00:08:31.639 I don't know if it's our tech, and I don't feel that it 117 00:08:31.679 --> 00:08:35.200 is, but I do think that it's something that we've concerned about. I've 118 00:08:35.200 --> 00:08:39.080 talked to Ben Hanson about this too, and he has the same feeling I 119 00:08:39.159 --> 00:08:41.159 do about this, and is said, I'm glad you brought it up, 120 00:08:41.200 --> 00:08:45.440 because I think we have to. I'm more scared, to be honest, 121 00:08:45.440 --> 00:08:48.600 that it's foreign adversaries than it would ever be UFOs. So I think that 122 00:08:50.240 --> 00:08:52.480 as a community, not just like obviously the government's looking at it in their 123 00:08:52.519 --> 00:08:56.919 own perspective and always looking to see if it's foreign adversaries, but we should 124 00:08:56.919 --> 00:09:00.720 be mindful as civilians as well too, because it says a law about what 125 00:09:00.799 --> 00:09:03.759 might happen in the future if they have that type of technology and we don't. 126 00:09:03.360 --> 00:09:07.600 So I think we're foreign adversaries. I don't think we'd be having this 127 00:09:07.679 --> 00:09:13.919 conversation. Yeah, well, yeah, you never know. It's like if 128 00:09:13.919 --> 00:09:16.799 somebody has that power but you know, so anyway, I'm sorry, I'll 129 00:09:18.320 --> 00:09:20.399 no, it's okay. I think it might be both, you know, 130 00:09:20.480 --> 00:09:22.519 and being to me, it's just there is a chance that it could be 131 00:09:22.559 --> 00:09:26.960 both of them. And I was and I thought that she might have been 132 00:09:26.080 --> 00:09:30.360 a little more aligned in that direction too, but she was very much like, 133 00:09:30.440 --> 00:09:33.480 no, it's it's UFOs. That's it. It's not our attack, 134 00:09:33.600 --> 00:09:37.679 it's not foreign adversaries, it's UFOs. And again, she's a way better 135 00:09:37.720 --> 00:09:39.320 journalist than I am, and I will say that, and it's been more 136 00:09:39.360 --> 00:09:43.000 experience than I have, so I will take her word on it. But 137 00:09:43.080 --> 00:09:46.399 I am still open minded to that it could be both, and still looking 138 00:09:46.519 --> 00:09:48.960 on the technology side of what's going on in foreign adversaries and always following that 139 00:09:50.759 --> 00:09:52.879 because it can play a part in the way that we view UFOs here too. 140 00:09:54.320 --> 00:10:01.840 And it's worth noting that before, you know, we had the reporting 141 00:10:01.960 --> 00:10:07.679 in place that we now have because of you know, there revealing of the 142 00:10:07.759 --> 00:10:13.840 videos and whatnot, if it were foreign tech no longers reporting it. They 143 00:10:13.840 --> 00:10:18.600 were afraid to say anything. So we have a huge movements going in the 144 00:10:18.679 --> 00:10:22.639 direction of just protecting ourselves in general because of what's happening with this community. 145 00:10:24.600 --> 00:10:28.519 So yeah, that makes sense. You know. You speak to something though 146 00:10:28.519 --> 00:10:33.759 that I think maybe we often overlook, and that's this we really haven't had 147 00:10:33.840 --> 00:10:39.039 some significant breakthroughs in technology in a while. Like our technology when it comes 148 00:10:39.039 --> 00:10:43.080 to aerospace and defense, I mean, it's still pretty much the same. 149 00:10:43.159 --> 00:10:46.559 Like where there have been advances in stealth, there have been advances of course 150 00:10:46.600 --> 00:10:50.879 recently in hypersonics. That's kind of the hot topic now. But what I'm 151 00:10:50.919 --> 00:10:58.039 talking about is a significant breakthrough in technological performance when it comes to national defense. 152 00:10:58.480 --> 00:11:03.240 And I kind of echo or sentiment that that if we're not devoting time, 153 00:11:03.399 --> 00:11:07.360 energy, research effort into that kind of science, all it would take 154 00:11:07.360 --> 00:11:11.600 would be one significant jump of an adversary and then you would be out maneuvered, 155 00:11:13.360 --> 00:11:16.120 and that would put us at an extreme disadvantage. So I think that's 156 00:11:16.320 --> 00:11:18.759 something we really shouldn't lose sight of there. Yeah, I agree. And 157 00:11:18.799 --> 00:11:22.480 also then you know, politics might say, well, we're not going to 158 00:11:22.480 --> 00:11:24.519 talk about UFOs, but it doesn't mean that UFOs go away, you know, 159 00:11:24.879 --> 00:11:26.879 not at all. So people might just be like, oh, it's 160 00:11:26.919 --> 00:11:31.080 for an adversaries, UFO conversation's done, let's move on. And news media 161 00:11:31.200 --> 00:11:33.679 might do that. And as someone that works in pr and deals with the 162 00:11:33.759 --> 00:11:37.840 UFO topic within the media and seeding that topic, you know, and breaking 163 00:11:37.879 --> 00:11:43.720 stories to mainstream media, it's important to me that the UFO topics stays consistent 164 00:11:43.720 --> 00:11:48.879 and stays academic, and then it doesn't go away or is overshadowed by something 165 00:11:48.879 --> 00:11:52.480 else, because that's what's happened. You know, someone like myself would have 166 00:11:52.559 --> 00:11:56.679 been the person in the early sixties that would have done like you know, 167 00:11:56.720 --> 00:12:01.159 it would have been creating all those disinformation camp pains, right. So I'm 168 00:12:01.200 --> 00:12:05.279 on the other side. My job is to you know, on in the 169 00:12:05.360 --> 00:12:09.360 journalistic form with you know, some of the best investigative journalists that we have 170 00:12:09.440 --> 00:12:13.519 at the debrief, like Mike Hanks, you know, Tim McMillan and m 171 00:12:13.559 --> 00:12:16.440 J. Banias like the three of them and anyone else. Chris Plain as 172 00:12:16.440 --> 00:12:20.600 well is becoming an amazing journalist in that space. So with them pushing forward 173 00:12:20.639 --> 00:12:24.840 and finding that information and then I get to see it to mainstream media, 174 00:12:24.279 --> 00:12:30.480 we get to have a play where that disinformation is vary less than what it 175 00:12:30.480 --> 00:12:33.679 could be. And and everyone always says like they're like, we think that 176 00:12:33.720 --> 00:12:35.440 the debrief is part of the d D. We're like, we're not like, 177 00:12:35.480 --> 00:12:39.399 we're not funded by the DoD. We're all we're an independent organization, 178 00:12:41.840 --> 00:12:46.919 you know that that has a that loves this topic and so that it's important. 179 00:12:46.960 --> 00:12:48.080 I say, it's important to me. I wouldn't know if I can't 180 00:12:48.080 --> 00:12:52.320 speak for the guys, but I would imagine it is. But having those 181 00:12:52.320 --> 00:12:56.600 conversations that are larger and you know, telling the truth and finding truth is 182 00:12:56.720 --> 00:13:00.799 way more exciting, and that's where we wanted to stay. And news media 183 00:13:01.799 --> 00:13:03.519 or I'd liked it too, at least, Can I just say one thing. 184 00:13:03.559 --> 00:13:11.000 I love the fully conversation because it was so cool here like somebody from 185 00:13:11.159 --> 00:13:15.360 you know, coming from mainstream going, oh my god, we've just made 186 00:13:15.440 --> 00:13:20.480 fun of this subject. You know, the entertainment has just just completely stigmatized 187 00:13:20.519 --> 00:13:24.120 this. So I love that you also brought that perspective to your show. 188 00:13:26.000 --> 00:13:28.960 Thanks. Yeah. I actually I as much as I love like Ancient Aliens 189 00:13:30.000 --> 00:13:33.159 and I love Discovery and I love lay Ay, like I think there's a 190 00:13:33.200 --> 00:13:37.399 place for them. And I say this lightly because you know, a lot 191 00:13:37.399 --> 00:13:39.759 of people have been on different shows, and a lot of people in our 192 00:13:39.759 --> 00:13:41.879 community have been on those shows and they're really great because they do have pushed 193 00:13:41.879 --> 00:13:46.320 this the conversation forward. It's just being mindful that sometimes the stuff that they're 194 00:13:46.320 --> 00:13:50.519 putting is entertainment and is in fact and it's more paranormal than it is scientific. 195 00:13:50.919 --> 00:13:54.879 And so that's the only thing that I get. You know, I 196 00:13:54.960 --> 00:13:58.159 get a little bit worried about, and I'm worried about and I hope that 197 00:13:58.200 --> 00:14:01.639 in the future we start that starts to change, and we start using science 198 00:14:01.679 --> 00:14:07.279 to you know, and less paranormal and start going hard science say it, 199 00:14:07.279 --> 00:14:09.919 because that's what we do with the debrief. But I think it's way more 200 00:14:09.960 --> 00:14:13.360 cool, Like I'm sorry, Like talking about warp bubbles and everything else that's 201 00:14:13.399 --> 00:14:16.240 going on in science world is way more cool than what somebody's writing in a 202 00:14:16.240 --> 00:14:20.120 paranormal show. No offense to the paranormal shows. They're fabulous, but I 203 00:14:20.159 --> 00:14:24.120 think that what's actually going on in the real world is just way cooler. 204 00:14:24.039 --> 00:14:28.360 I would freak to see a warp bubble in a lab, like I don't. 205 00:14:28.480 --> 00:14:31.600 I think everybody here would like it would be It would be unbelievable. 206 00:14:31.919 --> 00:14:37.559 So you know, hopefully one day I get to God, yeah, you 207 00:14:37.600 --> 00:14:41.159 deal with this all the time, right, well, actually, yeah, 208 00:14:41.200 --> 00:14:43.559 I actually I had a question. We're talking about the UFO community, right, 209 00:14:45.000 --> 00:14:48.159 and how I was because I was looking at YouTube today. I noticed 210 00:14:48.159 --> 00:14:52.679 that the big phone home and only has fifteen K views. And I'm looking 211 00:14:52.720 --> 00:14:56.559 around and there's this trying best TikTok foods. It got one point six million, 212 00:14:58.559 --> 00:15:01.080 you know, So do you think the UFO community should be trying to 213 00:15:01.360 --> 00:15:07.399 took food on their shows? I'm just wondering, Well, if it's if 214 00:15:07.440 --> 00:15:11.320 it's going to get a larger reach, sure, I think you know what 215 00:15:13.080 --> 00:15:16.240 I think, like mainstream stuff, that's really I'm going to use we're fluffy. 216 00:15:16.240 --> 00:15:22.320 People don't well, some people just don't care or they're scared, they 217 00:15:22.320 --> 00:15:26.240 don't understand there's you know, or there they don't they haven't had an exit 218 00:15:26.279 --> 00:15:30.159 in you know, somebody hasn't talked to them about it. And they're like, 219 00:15:30.240 --> 00:15:31.960 oh, like there's lots of people still walking around. They are like, 220 00:15:31.960 --> 00:15:35.960 oh, there's UFOs like what like, you know, I get it 221 00:15:35.960 --> 00:15:37.639 all. I hear it all the time. So you know, there are 222 00:15:37.679 --> 00:15:41.399 those chapters of people and I And what I think is going to happen is 223 00:15:41.399 --> 00:15:45.759 in the next like ten years, we're going to see a real mainstream, 224 00:15:45.840 --> 00:15:50.679 mainstream shift because right now, like UFOs were counterculture, they were counterculture like 225 00:15:50.840 --> 00:15:56.039 I would say before twenty seventeen, and then then they became like subculture. 226 00:15:56.200 --> 00:15:58.639 So now it's very much a subculture, and then it's moving into the mainstream 227 00:15:58.679 --> 00:16:03.600 now too. So I think in ten years it will be a mainstream conversation 228 00:16:03.720 --> 00:16:07.919 and politically because of politics, because of entertainment, and because of news media. 229 00:16:07.360 --> 00:16:11.600 And they're also is probably going to be better footage because of the Galileo 230 00:16:11.679 --> 00:16:15.480 Project and all the other research that's going on academically. So like in ten 231 00:16:15.559 --> 00:16:17.919 years, like I think we're going to be laughing, and we're also going 232 00:16:17.960 --> 00:16:21.360 to be at a different point and we're going to be having way different conversations 233 00:16:21.480 --> 00:16:23.120 right now than we are than we are now. Well I hope we are. 234 00:16:23.240 --> 00:16:26.840 Let's so, I hope we're getting the one point six million views, 235 00:16:26.879 --> 00:16:30.320 you know, yeah, can you imagine? I know I always think about 236 00:16:30.320 --> 00:16:33.120 that too, But you know, I've seen other people, Oh my god, 237 00:16:33.159 --> 00:16:38.039 what's the one. His name's Nathan. I believe it does. I 238 00:16:38.080 --> 00:16:41.519 believe he's had lou Elizondo many times. He does the Reddit question, the 239 00:16:41.600 --> 00:16:45.120 Q and A, and you guys have probably seen it, and it's really 240 00:16:45.120 --> 00:16:49.000 great. But he gets about one hundred thousand k views on his show, 241 00:16:49.080 --> 00:16:52.799 and like, I love his show personally, I can't I forget the name 242 00:16:52.840 --> 00:16:56.399 now they don't let go figure. But his stuff is really great and it's 243 00:16:56.440 --> 00:16:59.559 compelling, and he brings on tons of different like people in the UFO community 244 00:16:59.559 --> 00:17:03.720 and science and that's doing really well. And I'm happy for him because those 245 00:17:03.799 --> 00:17:07.640 are the like conversations and round tables that mainstream media is not having. So 246 00:17:08.880 --> 00:17:11.240 right, yeah, well, I want to ask you, you know, 247 00:17:11.440 --> 00:17:17.200 with your experience with media and pr I mean, is it how do you 248 00:17:17.319 --> 00:17:22.799 view kind of what becomes sticky sort of in terms of popular and what becomes 249 00:17:22.799 --> 00:17:25.079 and what is also true? You know, there is kind of this like 250 00:17:25.720 --> 00:17:32.039 interesting play between that and sometimes something that is popular is can be completely false, 251 00:17:32.880 --> 00:17:36.359 and so you know, I wonder how you think of those things in 252 00:17:36.440 --> 00:17:38.839 light of the media that that kind of we create and others who do interviews 253 00:17:38.880 --> 00:17:44.880 create and uh, you know, what is actually true behind all of the 254 00:17:44.920 --> 00:17:48.640 things that we're pursuing. Do you mean by like popular in the UFO community 255 00:17:48.720 --> 00:17:52.720 or popular in general? I think well in general as well? Right, 256 00:17:52.759 --> 00:17:56.640 So, there's you know, things that go viral or things that that people 257 00:17:56.799 --> 00:18:00.240 tend to latch onto when it comes to media that they're very interesting it in. 258 00:18:00.720 --> 00:18:03.519 You know, everybody always talks about fear driven media and how that you 259 00:18:03.519 --> 00:18:07.000 know, gets a lot of eyeballs or whatever, but that may not necessarily 260 00:18:07.000 --> 00:18:11.519 be the truth, right, So I wonder how you think about that in 261 00:18:11.599 --> 00:18:15.920 terms of getting something, getting facts out and also getting attention. You know, 262 00:18:17.039 --> 00:18:19.200 there's kind of a balance there, it seems. Yeah, you know, 263 00:18:19.240 --> 00:18:22.519 I can speak to the debrief you know, after but before I would 264 00:18:22.519 --> 00:18:26.119 say, I literally just had this conversation with Mike Shaw on my CHARTI Grade 265 00:18:26.160 --> 00:18:30.160 interview that I released today, and we have a section it where we talk 266 00:18:30.200 --> 00:18:34.720 about how there's click. So the whole conversation about like TARTI grades being you 267 00:18:34.759 --> 00:18:40.519 know, using quantum entangled. It's not really like they did kind of quantum 268 00:18:40.519 --> 00:18:44.119 tangle them, but it was very on a surface level. You know, 269 00:18:44.359 --> 00:18:48.319 it wasn't to a level that people would have been like, oh, you 270 00:18:48.359 --> 00:18:51.200 know, and also it wasn't pure reviewed. You know, there's tons of 271 00:18:51.240 --> 00:18:52.319 things, but this paper comes out and people are like, this is true. 272 00:18:52.359 --> 00:18:56.000 So they did do it to an extent but it's not. You know, 273 00:18:56.000 --> 00:18:57.559 they overpopulated it. They wrote a really great headline and wrote a great 274 00:18:57.559 --> 00:19:00.559 press release and it got picked up. Tarte grades are freaking amazing, So 275 00:19:00.880 --> 00:19:04.119 why wouldn't it get picked up. Everyone loves them, and so then they 276 00:19:04.119 --> 00:19:07.519 deserve all they deserve, all the press, all the press, all the 277 00:19:07.559 --> 00:19:11.519 press. And so when we talk about that, he made a comment about 278 00:19:11.640 --> 00:19:15.319 how it's all clickbait, and you know, and so that's popular, but 279 00:19:15.359 --> 00:19:19.160 it doesn't mean that it's fully factual. There's fact in it, but there's 280 00:19:19.200 --> 00:19:22.640 way more to it than what was actually alluded to. So I think there's 281 00:19:22.640 --> 00:19:26.160 a lot of that goes on, and then we get things like other different 282 00:19:26.240 --> 00:19:30.839 disinformation campaigns or fake news as we'll use the word, from different foreign adversaries 283 00:19:30.880 --> 00:19:37.279 around the world that are, you know, putting in stories and persuading us 284 00:19:37.319 --> 00:19:41.839 into i'll say North America. I'm Canadian, but into a North American perspective, 285 00:19:42.279 --> 00:19:47.200 and that's causing things like civil war, and it's causing things like polarization, 286 00:19:47.839 --> 00:19:52.160 so in creating extremist groups, and there's lots of stuff that happens because 287 00:19:52.160 --> 00:19:56.079 of that disinformation that comes from other countries. So I think people need to 288 00:19:56.119 --> 00:20:00.440 be mindful of that. And I think the way to solve that isbviously to 289 00:20:00.480 --> 00:20:04.160 teach kids in school about journalism and like how to how do we through fake 290 00:20:04.240 --> 00:20:08.319 news and how do you fact check things? We do it. I remember 291 00:20:08.319 --> 00:20:11.640 when I was in school, like younger, we learned how to research stuff, 292 00:20:11.920 --> 00:20:15.960 but it was only in cycling encyclopedias. It wasn't, you know, 293 00:20:15.000 --> 00:20:18.200 in the Internet until I probably got into like, you know, just before 294 00:20:18.279 --> 00:20:22.559 high school. So I think that like aging myself, you're good, uh, 295 00:20:23.240 --> 00:20:33.119 I remember, yeah, exactly, going to the library. And so 296 00:20:33.640 --> 00:20:36.759 I think that if you teach kids in school how to do that and how 297 00:20:36.799 --> 00:20:40.960 to fact check and and and how to understand what they're reading and be able 298 00:20:41.000 --> 00:20:45.480 to go back and look in and look at things like articles and finding research 299 00:20:45.519 --> 00:20:49.839 from you know, from academic universities or science reports or anything that comes out 300 00:20:49.880 --> 00:20:53.880 that they can read and fact check it rather than going to this website you 301 00:20:53.880 --> 00:20:57.000 know that's like, you know, literally called fakenws dot com. Right. 302 00:20:57.839 --> 00:21:00.519 My dad does that. My dad sends me stuff sometimes and he's like, 303 00:21:00.559 --> 00:21:03.920 oh my god, Chrissy, you know, and then I'm like dad, 304 00:21:03.279 --> 00:21:06.480 like, and then I like fact check it, and I send him something 305 00:21:06.480 --> 00:21:07.960 and I was like, no, no, I was like master University, 306 00:21:08.039 --> 00:21:11.440 just like totally discredit this doctor. And my dad's like, oh, he's 307 00:21:11.480 --> 00:21:14.359 like I didn't know about that, and I was like yeah, I'm like, 308 00:21:14.519 --> 00:21:17.000 you know, he's getting older, right, he's a he's an older 309 00:21:17.039 --> 00:21:19.240 boomer, and in his conversation he doesn't know how to fact check the way 310 00:21:19.240 --> 00:21:22.039 he is, but he's smart enough to know that, Hey, I don't 311 00:21:22.039 --> 00:21:26.160 think this is right, and I'll just send it to my daughter to do 312 00:21:26.200 --> 00:21:29.039 it, which is fine. I don't mind doing it. You know, 313 00:21:29.079 --> 00:21:30.440 he taught me so much, so now I get to I get to do 314 00:21:30.519 --> 00:21:36.920 it, right, That's what happens. Then, yeah, just saly, 315 00:21:37.759 --> 00:21:41.920 yeah, one hundred percent. So I think that that's you know, that's 316 00:21:41.960 --> 00:21:42.839 it. And then in same with the depbrief. You know, the guys 317 00:21:42.880 --> 00:21:47.119 are always fact checking and looking at everything they do. I can't speak fully 318 00:21:47.160 --> 00:21:49.319 as journalists for them and how they work obviously, because it's their you know, 319 00:21:49.480 --> 00:21:53.839 that's their skill. I'm more of a conversation investigative, you know, 320 00:21:53.880 --> 00:21:57.519 I don't call myself a journalist in that, but I'm more investigative conversationalist, 321 00:21:59.599 --> 00:22:02.240 and so for them, I watch how they work and I see and I 322 00:22:02.559 --> 00:22:06.599 see how they fact check and their sources that they have. And also like 323 00:22:06.680 --> 00:22:11.480 Tim McMillan's a former former comp so he he has his eye of investigation is 324 00:22:11.559 --> 00:22:15.839 I think is amazing personally and when I and he's so bright and he's just 325 00:22:15.920 --> 00:22:18.640 so well for all of them are so world versed in so many different areas, 326 00:22:18.599 --> 00:22:21.759 and they have a really good group of people that they can go to 327 00:22:22.160 --> 00:22:26.279 and look into two facts a little bit better. So yeah, anyway, 328 00:22:26.319 --> 00:22:30.519 that was a really long response. But yeah, I had one more thing 329 00:22:30.640 --> 00:22:34.440 on Tardi grades before we move off, because today and looking at the interview, 330 00:22:34.640 --> 00:22:40.319 I was so excited when we were getting ready for quantum entanglement an target 331 00:22:41.559 --> 00:22:45.880 it's better in chocolate, right, I was all ready to go. I'm 332 00:22:45.920 --> 00:22:48.039 like yeah, And then when he said that, I was like, oh, 333 00:22:48.359 --> 00:22:52.599 dang, And I know look on your face. You were like quantum 334 00:22:52.759 --> 00:22:56.920 entanglement. We're going to entangle those TARTI grades. But dang it, Yeah 335 00:22:57.160 --> 00:23:00.480 that was sad, a little hit. No. I felt the same way 336 00:23:00.640 --> 00:23:03.799 too. I was like, yeah, in your face, I'm like, 337 00:23:04.000 --> 00:23:08.000 yeah, I know, we've done so much to Tardi grades. I actually 338 00:23:08.079 --> 00:23:12.680 went online because I was promoting the video and I found I found a site 339 00:23:12.759 --> 00:23:18.279 that says like the Tarti Grade Moon Rescue a group or project, and I 340 00:23:18.440 --> 00:23:22.559 was like, that's amazing. So there's this Facebook group that wants to go 341 00:23:22.720 --> 00:23:25.559 rescue all the Tarty grades that crash landed on the Moon. And I was 342 00:23:25.599 --> 00:23:30.079 like, I'm joining this group because I'm here for that. Chad was saying 343 00:23:30.240 --> 00:23:36.079 that we should have like a mass lawsuit, you know, for that We've 344 00:23:36.200 --> 00:23:41.920 cast the Tarti grades. So I'm gonna take it from here because that's great. 345 00:23:41.519 --> 00:23:45.039 We should when we go to the Moon, they should have like a 346 00:23:45.079 --> 00:23:48.559 little Tarti glade collector when we go back, and they can bring them all 347 00:23:48.640 --> 00:23:55.039 home, well, like we'll give them a little badges exactly. So I 348 00:23:55.079 --> 00:23:56.839 don't know if they might want to stay there. Let's be honest too. 349 00:23:56.920 --> 00:24:00.119 They're like, no, no, no, I'm good. What you got 350 00:24:00.759 --> 00:24:06.079 okay. So I think one of the things that's interesting to me is just 351 00:24:06.480 --> 00:24:10.440 that it's the truth and science seem to be, you know, your core 352 00:24:10.720 --> 00:24:15.559 for finding out about the phenomenon. And of course that's fantastic. A lot 353 00:24:15.640 --> 00:24:18.359 of people need that, they need those facts and all that, But I 354 00:24:18.440 --> 00:24:22.880 want to know what what to you is sort of compelling with the phenomenon what 355 00:24:23.039 --> 00:24:30.160 to you sort of like appeals to you or kind of what you feel might 356 00:24:30.279 --> 00:24:34.240 be going on if as you if you're willing to say it, you know, 357 00:24:36.200 --> 00:24:37.400 it's okay, Yeah, it's a great I think it's great. I 358 00:24:37.440 --> 00:24:41.440 think you should. We should ask everybody that right what they're what their thoughts 359 00:24:41.480 --> 00:24:45.119 aren't because they're in a different opinions and no one really knows, so you 360 00:24:45.160 --> 00:24:51.759 know, everyone's the best guess is probably could be the best one. So 361 00:24:52.200 --> 00:24:56.480 what what draws me to UFOs? Uh? If anyone's ever listened before, 362 00:24:56.599 --> 00:24:59.759 My dad was really massively into UFOs and had a sighting when he was really 363 00:24:59.799 --> 00:25:03.200 young when he was young, in like nineteen twenty or nineteen, when he 364 00:25:03.240 --> 00:25:07.119 was nineteen or twenty, and so when he had a sighting and he had 365 00:25:07.160 --> 00:25:10.039 a photo of it, he showed me it as a little kid, and 366 00:25:10.200 --> 00:25:11.880 it like I just fell in love with it and like it just lit up 367 00:25:11.880 --> 00:25:17.440 everything in me. So from there, understanding what was going on and following 368 00:25:17.720 --> 00:25:21.480 with him and research that he was doing and people that he was meeting in 369 00:25:21.519 --> 00:25:26.400 the community, like way before the internet and the documents that he had and 370 00:25:26.720 --> 00:25:30.240 just there's so many things that you know in conversations. It was just I 371 00:25:30.400 --> 00:25:33.720 learned so much about him and he created such an open mind for me in 372 00:25:33.759 --> 00:25:38.000 that space. So that became really important to me as I started getting into 373 00:25:38.079 --> 00:25:41.839 PR. So when I moved into PR, I would never ever been able 374 00:25:41.960 --> 00:25:47.480 to talk about UFOs because I would have been blacklisted in the media. They's 375 00:25:47.480 --> 00:25:48.799 just been like you're crazy, like you can't, you can't do that. 376 00:25:49.839 --> 00:25:52.480 So for years I had Victor Viggiani, which is a friend of mine, 377 00:25:52.599 --> 00:25:56.079 be like, hey, like can you can you do this? And he 378 00:25:56.319 --> 00:25:59.200 was really being you know, he was a former principal and I was doing 379 00:25:59.240 --> 00:26:03.119 a radio show and can't years ago. And so when he retired, he 380 00:26:03.319 --> 00:26:07.599 really like dived into UFOs. And so I met him through Paul Hilliard and 381 00:26:07.599 --> 00:26:11.359 another friend that used to work at NASA. And so what happened was he 382 00:26:11.279 --> 00:26:15.400 I was at we were at a luncheon for Paul Hilliard and I met Victor 383 00:26:15.799 --> 00:26:18.720 and Victor and I became like Insta friends, like super fast, not Instagram, 384 00:26:18.799 --> 00:26:22.319 but like instant friends. And then he would ask me about like what 385 00:26:22.400 --> 00:26:26.680 I was doing in PR, and then talking about media members and I would 386 00:26:26.680 --> 00:26:29.880 send him some contacts or we would talk about strategy, and then he would 387 00:26:29.920 --> 00:26:33.039 go and do it because I just couldn't under my company. I didn't want 388 00:26:33.079 --> 00:26:37.799 to lose my job. I like obviously need to make money. And so 389 00:26:37.960 --> 00:26:41.279 then as things started to progress, in twenty seventeen came around, he messaged 390 00:26:41.319 --> 00:26:44.599 me and I was on a vacation in Mexico and he was like, you 391 00:26:44.720 --> 00:26:47.400 see what's happening And I was like, oh my god, Like this has 392 00:26:47.640 --> 00:26:51.119 been a goal is a PR person is to see this in the mass media, 393 00:26:51.200 --> 00:26:55.799 and like forever, Victor's been trying so long in Canada just to get 394 00:26:56.160 --> 00:26:59.480 you know, mainstream media, and so when I saw it, I was 395 00:26:59.559 --> 00:27:02.200 just like, I'm I was on the beach and I just I'm looking up 396 00:27:02.279 --> 00:27:03.720 and I was like, oh my god, like I can't even believe this 397 00:27:03.839 --> 00:27:07.480 is happening right now. And as a PR person, You're just like it's 398 00:27:07.480 --> 00:27:11.680 overwhelming because I know how hard it is to try to get through. And 399 00:27:11.839 --> 00:27:15.839 so when it all started to unravel and I started a podcast with a friend, 400 00:27:15.079 --> 00:27:18.039 I interviewed Jerey mccrbell is. When I started out Poper Pete and I 401 00:27:18.160 --> 00:27:22.160 met Jeremy years ago before this, when he was following Bob Blazaar. I 402 00:27:22.200 --> 00:27:26.720 met him at the UFA Congress and it was so funny because I wasn't a 403 00:27:26.799 --> 00:27:30.720 journalist at that time like I was, and I was interviewing people around there, 404 00:27:30.759 --> 00:27:33.039 and I think it was one of the previous years I was there with 405 00:27:33.119 --> 00:27:38.039 a camera. But it was interesting with him because he said to me, 406 00:27:38.119 --> 00:27:41.440 he was just like, Paul Hiller told me about you, and I'm like 407 00:27:41.559 --> 00:27:42.839 what, and I'm like he did, and he's like, yeah, he 408 00:27:42.880 --> 00:27:45.640 told me that there's a journalist that's a female journalist that I should meet. 409 00:27:47.000 --> 00:27:48.599 And at that point I wasn't and I was in PR and I said, 410 00:27:48.599 --> 00:27:52.279 oh, so we exchanged information, but I was doing my own journalism in 411 00:27:52.359 --> 00:27:56.920 a way, not for an outlet. And so then fast forward years down 412 00:27:56.960 --> 00:27:59.480 the road, I forgot the Jeremy and I even gave each other cell phone 413 00:27:59.559 --> 00:28:03.160 numbers, and then I messaged him and I was like, I wanted I've 414 00:28:03.160 --> 00:28:07.680 been obviously, UFOs have been so big in my life that they're becoming mainstream 415 00:28:07.759 --> 00:28:10.599 now and this makes sense for the show that I'm doing All Pop repeat. 416 00:28:11.039 --> 00:28:15.039 So he was our first interview, and then I just it started to open 417 00:28:15.160 --> 00:28:18.680 up and and you know, UFO has become Maine more stream, mainstream. 418 00:28:18.000 --> 00:28:22.680 You know, the debrief popped up, I was making more content. I 419 00:28:22.799 --> 00:28:26.319 was working with Victor closely, more in stories that he was seeing in Canada 420 00:28:26.400 --> 00:28:29.799 and giving him more strategy. And so when the debrief came around, I 421 00:28:29.880 --> 00:28:33.440 messaged m J b Andias to create content and MJ just was like sure, 422 00:28:33.640 --> 00:28:36.359 you know, I was, like, I said, I kind of want 423 00:28:36.400 --> 00:28:37.440 to do all of it. I don't just love UFOs. I love all 424 00:28:37.480 --> 00:28:41.519 of it, but UFOs is a common thread between all of us. And 425 00:28:41.000 --> 00:28:45.039 God, I start I'm babbling, guys, and so long long story short. 426 00:28:45.160 --> 00:28:48.920 He thank you, long story short. He uh, he said yeah. 427 00:28:49.000 --> 00:28:52.839 So then we started creating. I started creating content for them, and 428 00:28:52.079 --> 00:28:56.519 I gave some PR advice and things started really working with them, and we 429 00:28:56.599 --> 00:28:57.920 all end up working really well. So they asked me to be part of 430 00:28:57.960 --> 00:29:02.640 the company. And then that's kind of how it all aligned. So I've 431 00:29:02.680 --> 00:29:06.640 really been able to use my ability in PR and that's what drove me through. 432 00:29:06.680 --> 00:29:10.720 And it's very interesting that now I get to use that ability and it 433 00:29:10.839 --> 00:29:14.920 like and I love it like I never ever thought in my entire life I 434 00:29:14.960 --> 00:29:18.799 would ever get to do pr and like seed stories about you know, if 435 00:29:18.799 --> 00:29:22.519 it's politically or whatever it is, if it's breaking stories to news media you 436 00:29:22.599 --> 00:29:26.920 know around the world, like like what, like so amazing. So I 437 00:29:27.119 --> 00:29:30.559 just I'm really happy that I get to do it. And it's and it's 438 00:29:30.640 --> 00:29:34.160 fun. That's the other part too, So hard to get those combos aligned, 439 00:29:34.359 --> 00:29:37.519 right, you know, it is and it you know, and there 440 00:29:37.599 --> 00:29:41.279 are probably some people in Canada, I would imagine, or some outlets that 441 00:29:41.319 --> 00:29:44.799 are probably just laughing a little bit at me, and maybe I've been blacklisted, 442 00:29:45.359 --> 00:29:47.440 but at this point, I don't care, you know, I'm like, 443 00:29:47.799 --> 00:29:52.559 I I love what I do. And American media is way more acceptable 444 00:29:52.839 --> 00:29:57.079 in this conversation than Canadian media unfortunately right now. And hopefully that will change, 445 00:29:57.119 --> 00:30:00.359 and you know, hopefully I'll I'll be able to to help advocate that 446 00:30:00.559 --> 00:30:04.720 change at some point. I'm kind of gearing towards that. But yeah, 447 00:30:04.799 --> 00:30:08.200 it's it's been an interesting bride and I'm just I'm just happy and it's just 448 00:30:08.319 --> 00:30:11.160 really cool to be able to like talk to like different news outlets, you 449 00:30:11.200 --> 00:30:14.880 know, in mainstream media and like and talk about UFO is on the phone, 450 00:30:15.039 --> 00:30:19.200 like it's crazy. It's crazy, Yeah, yeah it is. Are 451 00:30:19.240 --> 00:30:26.119 you related to Isaac Newton? Sorry? Do you imagine I would say that 452 00:30:26.160 --> 00:30:30.079 people want to spell my name? I wish I was right everything? German? 453 00:30:30.519 --> 00:30:34.279 Yeah, my backgrounds German Italian and apparently like we have a descend we're 454 00:30:34.319 --> 00:30:38.559 descendants of of from We're English as well too, I found out later on, 455 00:30:38.759 --> 00:30:45.799 but I'm mainly German Italian. So okay, nice, who's going next? 456 00:30:45.839 --> 00:30:51.119 So it does? That's you go for it? Cool? So as 457 00:30:51.200 --> 00:30:55.079 you were talking earlier about the team and how how you guys all work so 458 00:30:55.240 --> 00:30:59.599 closely together the debrief and you guys are so bonded. So so as a 459 00:30:59.680 --> 00:31:04.319 team, do you guys ever sit and really discuss like what if the phenomenon 460 00:31:04.480 --> 00:31:08.119 just showed up right here, right now? How can we help the community? 461 00:31:08.240 --> 00:31:11.119 How are we going to respond? You know, do you guys ever 462 00:31:11.279 --> 00:31:15.960 kind of talk about, you know, kind of philosophizing through how how you 463 00:31:17.400 --> 00:31:21.640 would handle it. We don't. We don't philosiphize how we would handle it. 464 00:31:22.079 --> 00:31:23.400 You know, we would report about it. So I think that there's 465 00:31:23.519 --> 00:31:27.480 like there would be an understanding like how it probably work is somebody would take 466 00:31:27.559 --> 00:31:33.480 the lead on the story if it would either be Tim MJ or Micah, 467 00:31:33.759 --> 00:31:37.400 depending on what the angle was. If it's like air Force or it's you 468 00:31:37.480 --> 00:31:40.359 know, really deep history, would go Micah. If it's more political, 469 00:31:40.400 --> 00:31:42.720 we'd go Tim. If there's culture related, we'd probably go more MJ. 470 00:31:44.240 --> 00:31:47.599 So it just depends on who would write that piece and then or all three 471 00:31:47.640 --> 00:31:49.640 of them would write it actually together, it could be possible, and then 472 00:31:49.680 --> 00:31:52.240 what I would do is write a press release around it, and then I 473 00:31:52.279 --> 00:31:56.480 would be seating our story if it was a breaking story. So we've done 474 00:31:56.519 --> 00:32:00.519 this before, and we've done it many times in the UFO conversation where you 475 00:32:00.559 --> 00:32:05.200 know, something's come out and broke, and the trans Medium article was one 476 00:32:05.240 --> 00:32:07.400 of them that we ended up breaking and then just confirming that, you know, 477 00:32:07.480 --> 00:32:12.640 Jeremy Corbell's stuff was confirmed from the Pentagon. You know, we we 478 00:32:12.759 --> 00:32:15.319 broke a lot of those pieces. Germany obviously broke his first story. We 479 00:32:15.519 --> 00:32:20.039 just helped push when we found out that it was that it was confirmed from 480 00:32:20.079 --> 00:32:23.640 the DoD as not being theirs. So we've done this before many times and 481 00:32:23.720 --> 00:32:27.119 so we know how to do it. So I think it'd be similar process 482 00:32:27.200 --> 00:32:30.240 of what we do now and then we'd all just be freaking out in discord, 483 00:32:30.680 --> 00:32:32.240 like in our discord chat and like you know, and then be like 484 00:32:32.279 --> 00:32:35.720 oh my god, like and then you know, right, and then ours 485 00:32:35.759 --> 00:32:37.559 would be like what strategy and then I would figure out what strategy we would 486 00:32:37.559 --> 00:32:43.200 do to see to what media? You know, be unbelievable to break a 487 00:32:43.279 --> 00:32:45.240 story like that, like I you know, like that. You can't even 488 00:32:45.319 --> 00:32:49.480 ask for that as someone in journalism and everything else. To be able to 489 00:32:49.599 --> 00:32:54.000 go out and tell people something that major, Oh my god, it would 490 00:32:54.039 --> 00:32:59.240 be amazing. But and there's also people too that are it's part of study. 491 00:32:59.359 --> 00:33:01.000 I believe one of them, I forget his name now as a scientist. 492 00:33:04.000 --> 00:33:07.119 I just winded up watching World Science one of his interviews recently around table 493 00:33:07.200 --> 00:33:10.559 that they did, and he is, oh gosh, I forget his name, 494 00:33:10.599 --> 00:33:14.680 but he was one of the people that if something did happen, like 495 00:33:14.759 --> 00:33:16.640 if obviously, if aliens came to light, came to earth and there was 496 00:33:16.680 --> 00:33:20.279 something we said and there, you know, they showed us and they're like, 497 00:33:20.359 --> 00:33:23.759 ah, we're here and in full and full on and ended up telling 498 00:33:23.839 --> 00:33:28.279 us, let's just say, there are point people that they would go to. 499 00:33:28.599 --> 00:33:30.079 And I found that, and I've been trying to contact him actually to 500 00:33:30.119 --> 00:33:34.960 do an interview because I'm curious because Seti has a process of how they would 501 00:33:34.960 --> 00:33:37.920 go about doing that, and then he would be that contact person and it, 502 00:33:37.400 --> 00:33:39.160 you know, and then who would be talking to government. But there 503 00:33:39.160 --> 00:33:43.039 would be a main face for it, and part of that is Seti, 504 00:33:43.240 --> 00:33:46.960 I believe from what I've heard. So that's interesting, and we'd probably bring 505 00:33:47.039 --> 00:33:51.880 that person into to talk with us. There would be a whole process around 506 00:33:51.920 --> 00:33:53.400 it as well. But yeah, but I think it would just be what 507 00:33:53.480 --> 00:33:57.200 we have now. It also depends on what we're talking about too, how 508 00:33:57.279 --> 00:34:00.559 big it is, you know. Yeah, nice, Well, we have 509 00:34:00.640 --> 00:34:04.000 a we have a question from the chat. So Chris, you might be 510 00:34:04.039 --> 00:34:08.440 on mute, but you want to put that up on screen, and here 511 00:34:08.559 --> 00:34:15.119 we go. That's our question from Rachel TTSA is no more Now to the 512 00:34:15.239 --> 00:34:21.920 Stars? Media would love to hear your thoughts on the transition. Yeah, 513 00:34:22.119 --> 00:34:25.599 so you mean, from like what Tom's doing in the movie and entertainment space. 514 00:34:27.000 --> 00:34:30.440 I think that there's a space for Tom to tell his stories. You 515 00:34:30.519 --> 00:34:34.760 know, he's moving away from news media and that's okay because his space and 516 00:34:35.119 --> 00:34:38.360 you know, we're looking at Chris Christopher Mellen and like everyone else in Louela 517 00:34:38.440 --> 00:34:42.840 Zondo that are really dedicated to the news media section of this, and I 518 00:34:42.920 --> 00:34:45.159 think that there's a smart for them to do that because it keeps things in 519 00:34:45.239 --> 00:34:51.920 the mainstream media and people having more daily conversations and learning more different academic level 520 00:34:51.960 --> 00:34:54.800 too, rather than just doing like movies and entertainment shows. So I think 521 00:34:54.880 --> 00:34:58.559 Tom's in there for a good reason too, because I think he's going to 522 00:34:58.599 --> 00:35:02.719 create content that is going to be closer to fat and closer to what's actually 523 00:35:02.760 --> 00:35:07.239 going on in the community than getting producers. And no offense to any producer 524 00:35:07.320 --> 00:35:12.239 that produces UFO content, because I'm just happy you do. But they it 525 00:35:12.519 --> 00:35:15.519 takes a lot to learn, right, Like You're like I've talked to some 526 00:35:15.679 --> 00:35:19.360 directors and producers and they're like, oh my god, Like this is so 527 00:35:19.559 --> 00:35:21.920 much. I'm like, welcome to the Welcome to the your faux world. 528 00:35:22.719 --> 00:35:27.440 Yeah, yeah, I'm sorry. Not. The follow up to this is 529 00:35:27.559 --> 00:35:34.000 because I think as I saw this this morning that the TTSA website's gone oh 530 00:35:34.039 --> 00:35:38.199 I'm not surprised, yeah, and that the address for TTSA has changed to 531 00:35:38.280 --> 00:35:42.159 a peel box now I have not vetted any of that. I just saw 532 00:35:42.199 --> 00:35:45.039 it on Twitter, and I think that's where Rachel's coming from, that all 533 00:35:45.079 --> 00:35:51.000 of a sudden, the website's just a dead url. Yeah, it might 534 00:35:51.079 --> 00:35:55.000 be boarding information. So yeah, my speculation on that is that he's probably 535 00:35:55.039 --> 00:35:58.760 just in a transition mode. Like I don't I don't know. I don't 536 00:35:58.800 --> 00:36:01.519 know exactly, but I know from what I've been told that you know Tom, 537 00:36:01.599 --> 00:36:06.960 and he's been very open about going into more film and television about UFOs, 538 00:36:07.199 --> 00:36:08.920 So I think what he's doing is just transitioning the company, and a 539 00:36:09.000 --> 00:36:12.480 lot of people that were on the board now are no longer there and have 540 00:36:12.559 --> 00:36:15.840 done other things. So he's probably just making a totally new website and just 541 00:36:15.920 --> 00:36:20.760 transitioning into something that's more aligned with what he's doing on brand and in the 542 00:36:20.840 --> 00:36:23.199 film and television world. That's that's my thoughts. I don't think it's anything. 543 00:36:23.239 --> 00:36:34.639 My husband just said, the site is back now up, updating back, 544 00:36:34.719 --> 00:36:42.519 so everything's okay. So the government. Yeah, yeah, Well, 545 00:36:42.559 --> 00:36:44.800 I wanted to ask you a question, a very kind of specific question. 546 00:36:44.960 --> 00:36:49.760 It came up in Twitter today and I know you've interviewed Abvi Lobe about the 547 00:36:49.880 --> 00:36:54.159 Galileo project. And the comment I think it came from Daniel Miller at UCR, 548 00:36:54.920 --> 00:37:00.119 and it was essentially speaking to the the sort of members of the Galileo 549 00:37:00.239 --> 00:37:05.239 project. It's it's got this big tent sort of mission in a way, 550 00:37:05.400 --> 00:37:07.639 kind of bringing in lots of different scientists or whatever. But there is a 551 00:37:07.679 --> 00:37:15.480 little bit of I think concern from some maybe on that project of who is 552 00:37:15.599 --> 00:37:21.280 joining Galileo and whether or not that makes it more challenging for the academics and 553 00:37:21.320 --> 00:37:24.920 the scientists who've signed onto that project to kind of put their names on the 554 00:37:25.079 --> 00:37:30.880 on the dotted line just because of association with some of the more fringe sort 555 00:37:30.920 --> 00:37:34.599 of ideas within the within the phenomenon community. So I wonder if you could 556 00:37:34.599 --> 00:37:37.039 speak to that a little bit from a PR standpoint, also from just as 557 00:37:37.159 --> 00:37:42.239 this is starting to kind of get out there more in the public sphere. 558 00:37:42.440 --> 00:37:44.679 You know, is that a good idea to have a really bit big tint 559 00:37:44.719 --> 00:37:47.039 or would you kind of recommend to keep it a little bit more narrowly focused. 560 00:37:47.639 --> 00:37:51.400 It's a great question. I haven't even really thought about it in a 561 00:37:51.480 --> 00:37:54.480 PR's perspective. We've just been busy, but thinking about like I know what's 562 00:37:54.519 --> 00:37:58.559 going on, and I hear a lot of the politics and you know, 563 00:37:58.639 --> 00:38:01.039 people arguing and stuff and our own community and what's going on with it. 564 00:38:02.199 --> 00:38:06.719 I really love Avolobe and what he's doing in his team, and I've met 565 00:38:06.719 --> 00:38:09.079 other talked to other people on his team, so and you know, and 566 00:38:09.199 --> 00:38:14.360 what he's doing with Harvard. So I'm going to leave him and let him. 567 00:38:14.639 --> 00:38:19.920 You know, I think he knows what he's doing. It's it's hard 568 00:38:19.960 --> 00:38:22.840 to say, because he might have a larger plan at play that we're not 569 00:38:22.039 --> 00:38:30.239 seeing here personally. If it was me, I it's hard because you want 570 00:38:30.280 --> 00:38:34.519 to open it up to lots of different research and having the ability to have 571 00:38:34.800 --> 00:38:40.400 people give in bring in data that's that is like correct and accurate. So 572 00:38:40.559 --> 00:38:45.440 sometimes you need those other players that have that type of equipment and those abilities 573 00:38:45.480 --> 00:38:49.880 to do that. Some of those people are not always the best, and 574 00:38:50.000 --> 00:38:53.519 so maybe what he's doing when it comes to like weeding certain people out before 575 00:38:53.559 --> 00:38:57.800 popping them up on the website is maybe just you know, holding onto that 576 00:38:57.880 --> 00:39:00.920 information a little bit longer. That's what I would probably do. But again, 577 00:39:01.079 --> 00:39:05.599 like he might have a bigger strategy at play than I even know. 578 00:39:06.079 --> 00:39:09.239 So we'll see what happens. I just hope that what he's doing is still 579 00:39:09.280 --> 00:39:13.159 going to roll out, and I hope that Harvard, even though some people 580 00:39:13.320 --> 00:39:15.280 drop on and drop off, that Harvard still really backs this. And that 581 00:39:15.320 --> 00:39:20.239 would be my only concern as a PR person is that Harvard would say, 582 00:39:20.559 --> 00:39:24.079 I don't want to do this anymore, because that really gives so much leverage 583 00:39:24.119 --> 00:39:29.360 and credibility to that program. So that's the only thing I would I would 584 00:39:29.360 --> 00:39:31.719 be concerned about. But you know, what we see on along, you 585 00:39:31.800 --> 00:39:35.199 know, and I would love to do this more is work in the science 586 00:39:35.239 --> 00:39:38.400 community doing PR. Science community is not really good at it. Like they're 587 00:39:38.440 --> 00:39:44.760 really not. And I don't know why. It's not saying that their communications 588 00:39:44.800 --> 00:39:49.239 people aren't good at their job. It's just they're telling maybe telling stories in 589 00:39:49.239 --> 00:39:51.679 different ways. You know. I am not a scientist in that way, 590 00:39:51.800 --> 00:39:57.119 Like my background is humanities and arts, and then along with like communications, 591 00:39:57.559 --> 00:40:00.559 that's what I do, and like you know, I postcard his corporate communications 592 00:40:00.599 --> 00:40:02.880 of public relations. So I'm really versed in that in like what's going on 593 00:40:02.960 --> 00:40:06.760 in the mainstream and along with them with culture. I'm not a scientist. 594 00:40:06.840 --> 00:40:09.239 I just love science and tech like I just I'm fascinated by it and I 595 00:40:09.400 --> 00:40:14.960 just love to be able to work in it. So what I've learned in 596 00:40:15.000 --> 00:40:16.440 this space, I would love one day to be able to take over to 597 00:40:16.480 --> 00:40:21.360 the science community to help frame stuff to be a little bit more retractive mainstream 598 00:40:21.400 --> 00:40:23.239 wise. And there's there are probably other PR people doing it. I just 599 00:40:23.280 --> 00:40:27.360 haven't met them before, and hopefully I get to. So I think that 600 00:40:27.519 --> 00:40:30.280 that's what you know, Abby's I think he's trying to do that, and 601 00:40:30.360 --> 00:40:32.320 I think he's trying to do something different. So I'm just going to watch 602 00:40:32.360 --> 00:40:35.599 it for a while. But if anything, what I would have done is 603 00:40:35.639 --> 00:40:38.400 hold on to those names a little bit longer to see what happens, rather 604 00:40:38.480 --> 00:40:44.000 than just kind of popping everybody up all the time and letting like, you 605 00:40:44.079 --> 00:40:46.480 know, if people are having politics internally in the own community, let them 606 00:40:46.559 --> 00:40:50.480 sort that out. And if they don't, well then that's their own loss, 607 00:40:50.559 --> 00:40:52.679 right right, If I could ask one fall up to that. The 608 00:40:53.559 --> 00:40:58.280 kind of the on ram for this topic seems like it is the nutnuts and 609 00:40:58.360 --> 00:41:02.320 bolts component, the the national security component, that's you know, getting politicians 610 00:41:02.400 --> 00:41:07.119 engaged. That seems like a very easy place to get into this topic and 611 00:41:07.199 --> 00:41:10.480 distribute it, you know, sort of amongst the larger, you know, 612 00:41:10.800 --> 00:41:16.039 the world, if you will. What do you think about the progression of 613 00:41:16.159 --> 00:41:21.239 the story and where it may go? So it's obvious kind I think where 614 00:41:21.239 --> 00:41:23.519 we're starting, where do you think it may end? These are really great 615 00:41:23.599 --> 00:41:30.559 questions, guys. It's like really great questions politically. So I had this 616 00:41:30.679 --> 00:41:35.320 conversation just recently too. I talked to Dave about this because we talk about 617 00:41:35.360 --> 00:41:40.320 how UFOs are political right now and how they haven't been polarized yet. I'm 618 00:41:40.400 --> 00:41:45.679 worried that they will be. And I'm worried that certain political extremist groups will 619 00:41:45.719 --> 00:41:50.119 take the UFO narrative. And they have in the past and have used it 620 00:41:50.320 --> 00:41:52.800 just as a conversation. They haven't used it as part of their agenda, 621 00:41:52.960 --> 00:41:55.800 but they've used it in larger, broader conversations. So I'm worried that we're 622 00:41:55.840 --> 00:42:01.000 going to have certain extremist political groups decide to attach themselves to UFOs and then 623 00:42:01.239 --> 00:42:04.679 be like, oh, you know, this is and ever, and then 624 00:42:04.719 --> 00:42:07.199 news media is going to discredit it, and then entertainment will discredit it because 625 00:42:07.199 --> 00:42:13.320 they'll think it's just an extremist movement when it's not, and I think I'm 626 00:42:13.840 --> 00:42:16.719 you know, I'm looking at that more than anything. And still in the 627 00:42:16.760 --> 00:42:22.639 political space as well, I do think that people I have seen other lobbyists 628 00:42:22.119 --> 00:42:27.199 that have political agendas. I obviously won't say who, but we've seen that 629 00:42:27.280 --> 00:42:30.000 they've created these lobbyist groups and you can tell that they're just looking for money 630 00:42:30.079 --> 00:42:34.400 within the UFO community. And I've smelt that out pretty bad where I'm like, 631 00:42:34.559 --> 00:42:37.599 I don't trust them, So I'm worried about that, and I like 632 00:42:37.639 --> 00:42:39.920 people to be mindful of that too when they're deciding on who they're going to 633 00:42:42.320 --> 00:42:45.199 give money to or donate anything too. When it comes to lobbyists in that 634 00:42:45.559 --> 00:42:50.239 to know who they are and really if they are working towards the community and 635 00:42:50.480 --> 00:42:53.599 helping this rather than just money, because people out there that do that. 636 00:42:54.400 --> 00:42:59.599 And then along with then yeah, like making sure extreme extremist groups don't politicalize 637 00:42:59.599 --> 00:43:01.280 it. And then along with like if a politician is going to come in, 638 00:43:01.559 --> 00:43:05.280 they actually do want to make some change, and we are seeing that, 639 00:43:05.519 --> 00:43:07.800 like right now with the bipartisan and everything else that's been done, we're 640 00:43:07.800 --> 00:43:15.679 seeing like two different sides of political political parties that are now working together and 641 00:43:15.840 --> 00:43:19.119 like it's unbelievable. Like I just I think it's amazing, and I just 642 00:43:19.199 --> 00:43:23.360 hope it stays like that for a very very long time. So that's that's 643 00:43:23.519 --> 00:43:27.039 that's my wish in that. But we'll see, you know. And to 644 00:43:27.079 --> 00:43:30.199 be honest, I really think that the UFO community is not going to let 645 00:43:30.719 --> 00:43:35.159 the not polarization is going to happen on its own. Maybe, but I 646 00:43:35.199 --> 00:43:38.079 don't think the extremist side of things. I think the UFO community is going 647 00:43:38.119 --> 00:43:45.639 to be really great at handling that ourselves. To be honest, it's the 648 00:43:45.679 --> 00:43:47.159 most amazing, one of the most and I say this because I'm part of 649 00:43:47.199 --> 00:43:50.559 it and I'm biased, but it is one of the best communities. Like 650 00:43:50.639 --> 00:43:53.039 I've seen people work together and it's unbelievable around the world. So I wish 651 00:43:53.400 --> 00:43:57.000 we are we should be more of an example of that, I think for 652 00:43:57.119 --> 00:44:02.000 other other communities. Totally agree again, but I'm bussed same. You have 653 00:44:02.039 --> 00:44:06.440 a question. Yeah, I was going to ask. With things like, 654 00:44:06.840 --> 00:44:13.320 you know, obviously the web telescope, the Invisible college, being more visible, 655 00:44:13.920 --> 00:44:17.320 people being more aware of fringe science and things like that, what are 656 00:44:17.480 --> 00:44:22.880 you most excited about coming up? You know, between your own interests science 657 00:44:23.039 --> 00:44:28.920 and the debrif, what are you excited about seeing come out soon? Oh? 658 00:44:29.079 --> 00:44:31.719 Man, I love Chris Plain's articles around warp bubbles. I've been talking 659 00:44:31.719 --> 00:44:37.480 to him about warp bubbles for so long before that article came out, So 660 00:44:37.079 --> 00:44:42.159 that stuff in the science community. I'm super excited to see what they're going 661 00:44:42.199 --> 00:44:45.920 to do with that. On different levels. I'm massively an Elon Musk, 662 00:44:46.159 --> 00:44:51.039 you know, fan, and follow his work. I like what they're doing 663 00:44:51.199 --> 00:44:52.679 with the neurolink. I'm curious to see what he's going to do with that 664 00:44:53.079 --> 00:44:58.039 and how that's going to integrate into our own society. I know that he's 665 00:44:58.400 --> 00:45:01.280 testing on humans coming up, uh and then this year and then along with 666 00:45:02.400 --> 00:45:09.519 the Metaverse. Like love everything to do with the metaverse, right So it's 667 00:45:09.599 --> 00:45:15.079 so exactly like I'm trying to get the Facebook beta. I have a friend 668 00:45:15.159 --> 00:45:17.719 that's in the in the meta beta right now, and I was like, 669 00:45:17.920 --> 00:45:22.039 I need and I think he's obviously using its request too, but I'm like, 670 00:45:22.119 --> 00:45:28.239 I need to get my hands on that beta because I'm I'm really interested 671 00:45:28.280 --> 00:45:30.159 to see how we're going to have mixed reality and what that's going to look 672 00:45:30.280 --> 00:45:34.639 like. You know. That's like I'm I think that we're in the best 673 00:45:34.679 --> 00:45:37.239 time for science right now, and everyone's going to keep saying that as it 674 00:45:37.320 --> 00:45:39.320 gets, you know, more exciting. But right now it's so cool because 675 00:45:39.400 --> 00:45:44.159 it's like so sci fi and you're like, this is like I can't believe 676 00:45:44.199 --> 00:45:47.400 we're even talking about mixed realities right now. I am a little scared, 677 00:45:47.480 --> 00:45:51.480 to be honest too. It doesn't mean that I'm not you know, I 678 00:45:51.559 --> 00:45:55.239 have I have concerns, but I'm I'm a little bit of a I like 679 00:45:55.360 --> 00:45:59.199 the new stuff that's coming out. I'm just keeping those are my you know, 680 00:45:59.360 --> 00:46:01.119 outside of all stuff in the UFO community, the tech stuff, that's 681 00:46:01.440 --> 00:46:06.599 that's what's really interesting to me. But yeah, on the UFO side of 682 00:46:06.679 --> 00:46:09.440 things, I just I'm interesting. I'm really interested in the political conversations right 683 00:46:09.480 --> 00:46:15.039 now and what's going to happen too, So that's in the international conversation that's 684 00:46:15.559 --> 00:46:19.239 really important to me. And I've talked to lou Alisondo about this, and 685 00:46:19.280 --> 00:46:22.920 I've told him, like, those are things that I care deeply about, 686 00:46:22.119 --> 00:46:25.559 is like how international relations are going to look at this UFO topic and how 687 00:46:25.559 --> 00:46:30.239 we're all going to work together around the world. As countries. So nice, 688 00:46:30.400 --> 00:46:35.039 Yes, they're going to bring us together a tiers apart. Yeah, 689 00:46:35.119 --> 00:46:40.400 exactly. I found that looking at your interviews, like you've got a really 690 00:46:40.480 --> 00:46:46.320 good you do a very good job of synthesizing topics. So I don't know 691 00:46:46.360 --> 00:46:50.000 if you kind of plan on that when you go into an interview, but 692 00:46:50.480 --> 00:46:52.639 like your interview with Lou is a good example of this, and what you 693 00:46:52.800 --> 00:46:57.400 just talked about, you kind of approached it from an angle that I don't 694 00:46:57.400 --> 00:47:01.400 think many people would. You're looking at the bigger picture. And I've noticed 695 00:47:01.440 --> 00:47:04.960 this too with your Alt Proper Peat show, Like you guys do a good 696 00:47:05.000 --> 00:47:08.320 job of kind of like kind of pulling things back and making them relevant again, 697 00:47:08.480 --> 00:47:13.239 or looking at what the what might be popular, what kind of means 698 00:47:13.280 --> 00:47:16.679 in larger context. So, you know, how do you view this subject, 699 00:47:17.320 --> 00:47:22.159 the study of the phenomenon or UFO's up in the context of kind of 700 00:47:22.280 --> 00:47:25.039 human history? You know, what, what what sort of common themes do 701 00:47:25.119 --> 00:47:30.360 you see reoccurring with our fascination with this? You know, it's it's almost 702 00:47:30.360 --> 00:47:34.679 as like when Enlightenment science came along, we were like, yeah, we're 703 00:47:34.719 --> 00:47:37.400 done with that, We're done with this stuff. That's really mysterious. We're 704 00:47:37.440 --> 00:47:39.119 just going to look at the tiny things and study them under the microscope, 705 00:47:39.159 --> 00:47:43.599 and everything else out there we're going to ignore. But now we're we're seemingly 706 00:47:44.559 --> 00:47:50.360 entertaining these sort of notions again through things like quantum physics, which is teaching 707 00:47:50.440 --> 00:47:52.599 us that the universe is far stranger than we ever thought. So, you 708 00:47:52.639 --> 00:47:57.320 know, what are your thoughts kind of from a macro perspective on this subject 709 00:47:57.440 --> 00:48:01.199 with you know, sort of human behavior, human history, And thank you 710 00:48:01.320 --> 00:48:06.360 for the compliment. First of all, that's awesome, Thank you. I 711 00:48:06.400 --> 00:48:09.119 think on a larger it's again a really great question. I think on a 712 00:48:09.280 --> 00:48:15.320 larger scale, you know, it's hard because we won't know and we'll see 713 00:48:15.320 --> 00:48:17.159 what happens in the future. But what I would predict to happen, and 714 00:48:17.199 --> 00:48:22.480 what I would like to happen, is that we use science like we're using 715 00:48:22.519 --> 00:48:24.480 quantum physics, and the things that we're learning now is we get to prove, 716 00:48:24.920 --> 00:48:28.920 you know, more things that are a paranormal, not even just UFOs, 717 00:48:29.000 --> 00:48:31.800 and have those conversations. UFOs are opening the door now for larger, 718 00:48:32.320 --> 00:48:37.599 other fringe topics to come in to be taken academically and taken seriously. So 719 00:48:37.920 --> 00:48:40.159 that's exciting and I think that will happen more. And I think we probably 720 00:48:40.199 --> 00:48:45.239 will look back in our past history and say, oh, like maybe we 721 00:48:45.440 --> 00:48:47.400 were going down the wrong road and maybe somebody else was going down the right 722 00:48:47.480 --> 00:48:51.760 road. So I think we will compare and we will find those you know, 723 00:48:51.880 --> 00:48:54.880 we use that word sync in all pop repeat, which means like something 724 00:48:54.920 --> 00:48:59.559 that's like come together, like what is what was a catalyst moment that moves 725 00:48:59.559 --> 00:49:02.159 something to me mainstream? So I think we'll find that, and you know, 726 00:49:02.280 --> 00:49:07.159 science will help create those like sync moments, and then news media will 727 00:49:07.199 --> 00:49:08.800 report on it, but we will look back. We always do, like 728 00:49:08.960 --> 00:49:12.719 you know, Dave Foley said to me once too in an interview previously, 729 00:49:13.800 --> 00:49:15.159 where he was just like, you know, we'd laughed because germs, we 730 00:49:15.199 --> 00:49:17.440 didn't believe it, you know, and then and a lot of people died. 731 00:49:17.840 --> 00:49:22.000 Like He's just like it was laughable, and it's a good point. 732 00:49:22.280 --> 00:49:24.519 So I do think that we're going to look back on some of the science 733 00:49:24.559 --> 00:49:29.800 that we have now and realize that that we weren't right and look at and 734 00:49:29.880 --> 00:49:34.000 maybe other French scientists or other data that's come forward and saying that it's somewhat 735 00:49:34.039 --> 00:49:37.639 correct. So I think a lot of people are going to have different moments 736 00:49:37.800 --> 00:49:40.840 in the community that might have not have been respected before in all different science 737 00:49:40.880 --> 00:49:45.000 and tech and maybe have their day too. So and then some some might 738 00:49:45.079 --> 00:49:49.679 not some we might prove that some of its you know, people that were 739 00:49:50.000 --> 00:49:52.599 mainstream scientists weren't as right as we thought they were. And I think that 740 00:49:52.679 --> 00:49:59.480 will happen, especially when this UFO conversation and revels even more, because we 741 00:49:59.559 --> 00:50:02.599 do have is like, you know, there's multiple theories. There's so many 742 00:50:02.719 --> 00:50:07.840 theories, but we also have these different sides too, where science is saying, 743 00:50:07.079 --> 00:50:09.840 you know, we have like Skinwalker Ranch, right, and like what's 744 00:50:09.880 --> 00:50:13.960 going on there, and like all the paranormal stuff that's happening there, and 745 00:50:14.000 --> 00:50:16.840 these groups of people that are legit saying these things are happening, and they 746 00:50:16.880 --> 00:50:20.800 are getting this other part of the community that's like I still don't know right 747 00:50:20.840 --> 00:50:24.239 now. So I think that that might come a little bit closer. And 748 00:50:24.360 --> 00:50:30.320 I'm I'm very interested in Skinwalker Ranch personally, like everybody else's. After reading 749 00:50:30.360 --> 00:50:34.280 those books, I'm like, oh my god, George, like get me 750 00:50:34.360 --> 00:50:37.559 on the ranch, so I you know, and then oh, one hundred 751 00:50:37.559 --> 00:50:43.760 percent. I would go one hundred percent. I'm trying to go I would, 752 00:50:43.840 --> 00:50:46.920 yeah, yeah, I would. I have you know, I've yeah, 753 00:50:46.920 --> 00:50:50.320 I don't have a fear in that way. If anything, if you've 754 00:50:50.360 --> 00:50:53.320 got if you've read the you know the books or you know, might be 755 00:50:53.440 --> 00:50:57.039 spoiler alert. But if I have people, I'm running. But you know, 756 00:50:57.159 --> 00:50:59.880 those blue blue little orbs do scare the crap out of me a little 757 00:50:59.880 --> 00:51:01.320 bit. I think I'd be running over one of those even it was fake, 758 00:51:01.400 --> 00:51:05.519 someone who was like, you know, making a joke. Watch Chrissy 759 00:51:06.000 --> 00:51:09.000 run for the Hills, you know. But when I read that in the 760 00:51:09.039 --> 00:51:13.840 book Skinwalkers at the Pentagon, you know that, I remember at night I 761 00:51:13.960 --> 00:51:15.599 was like, oh my god, like you did it again, guys. 762 00:51:16.280 --> 00:51:20.760 It was like scaring the crap out of me. I scared myself at night, 763 00:51:20.760 --> 00:51:22.960 And I'm like, man, I know that, but but at the 764 00:51:23.000 --> 00:51:25.320 same time, like we don't, you know, you don't. These are 765 00:51:25.440 --> 00:51:30.119 these are conversations that people have had and you know, and their experiences too. 766 00:51:30.159 --> 00:51:31.480 So I'm not going to tell somebody that their experience is right or wrong. 767 00:51:31.760 --> 00:51:36.239 I would like to experience it myself. But reading those books, those 768 00:51:36.320 --> 00:51:39.360 orbs the blue orbs do scare the crap out of me. Yea, I 769 00:51:39.440 --> 00:51:45.599 have a pet orb. Actually he's very Yeah, what's his name? Would 770 00:51:45.639 --> 00:51:47.079 you like to see him? I have some pictures of him, actually, 771 00:51:47.119 --> 00:51:51.880 I would love that if Nathan has him queued up, I do hold on 772 00:51:52.000 --> 00:51:55.320 one second and we'll get him on here. Nice. Actually he doesn't have 773 00:51:55.400 --> 00:52:00.440 a name yet, but you should hopefully can you can? You can help 774 00:52:00.519 --> 00:52:04.360 name them. So I got him at on sale. He's at at Walmart 775 00:52:04.519 --> 00:52:07.559 actually surprising. You see there there's a shelf and there's the ORB section. 776 00:52:08.119 --> 00:52:12.280 You know, sometimes I have it. I brought him home. You gotta 777 00:52:12.320 --> 00:52:15.280 wear a Faraday cage I found because the tinfoil hat is not enough. People 778 00:52:15.400 --> 00:52:20.760 need to put those Faraday cages on their heads. People don't realize tinpoile hat 779 00:52:20.840 --> 00:52:23.039 thing doesn't work. This is his breakfast. He likes to eat magnets. 780 00:52:24.440 --> 00:52:30.000 They're gonna magnets. Can you go have a magnet and the meat? Taken 781 00:52:30.079 --> 00:52:32.039 him for a walk, you know, he does really good on walks or 782 00:52:32.239 --> 00:52:36.039 she I'm not sure yet. I don't really know how to get the gender. 783 00:52:36.199 --> 00:52:40.960 They Yeah, and this is you know, just hanging out my little 784 00:52:42.079 --> 00:52:51.320 orb. Their dress we want going out out a question from DJ. Can 785 00:52:51.360 --> 00:53:00.599 I pop it up? Yeah? There we So question for Chrissy. If 786 00:53:00.639 --> 00:53:05.000 you were writing the headline the state of the UFO topic today three years from 787 00:53:05.119 --> 00:53:10.760 now, what would that headline be? Oh? Oh, I don't know, 788 00:53:10.960 --> 00:53:15.039 God, that's a great one. I don't know what I would write 789 00:53:15.079 --> 00:53:20.639 the you know, uh, you know everyone in the UFO community was right. 790 00:53:21.199 --> 00:53:24.320 Uh, I don't honestly, I don't know what the headline would be. 791 00:53:27.039 --> 00:53:30.280 I was just happy that or you know, it would be that, 792 00:53:30.440 --> 00:53:32.960 you know, like UFOs brought us together, you know, the UFO topics, 793 00:53:34.079 --> 00:53:37.159 what brought us all together? That would that would be wonderful in any 794 00:53:37.199 --> 00:53:44.639 way. You know, UFOs create world peace. I wish you You're like, 795 00:53:44.800 --> 00:53:52.800 yeah, yeah, would be told you so, yeah, exactly exactly. 796 00:53:52.599 --> 00:53:57.000 Yeah, I feel like, yeah, go ahead, yeah please, 797 00:53:57.360 --> 00:53:59.880 I'm sorry. No, I'm just doing a time check because I know that 798 00:54:00.039 --> 00:54:01.760 because she's got to go in five minutes. I want to make sure if 799 00:54:01.800 --> 00:54:06.800 we have any other questions from the panel that we get them in there. 800 00:54:07.440 --> 00:54:09.559 These are really great guys, These are some really great pr questions and no 801 00:54:09.639 --> 00:54:14.000 one's ever asked me before, so I really respect that. I love talking 802 00:54:14.039 --> 00:54:15.519 about it too, So thank you. Yeah, it's great, great to 803 00:54:15.559 --> 00:54:19.760 have you with us. Uh. Well, I'll defer anyone on the panel 804 00:54:19.840 --> 00:54:22.679 have a question or or something from that chat I got. I got a 805 00:54:22.800 --> 00:54:30.280 question actually about secret societies. Right, you're you're really into secret societies? 806 00:54:30.320 --> 00:54:36.480 Can you get me into one? I've I'm not in any secret society I 807 00:54:36.599 --> 00:54:38.880 know. I wish I was. Uh for the longest time. Oh my 808 00:54:38.920 --> 00:54:43.440 god, I forgot their name. Now the Illuminati, Oh my god, 809 00:54:43.519 --> 00:54:45.840 there you go. What is the with the rings? Oh my god, 810 00:54:45.960 --> 00:54:50.800 Chrissy. The Freemasons I have, Yeah, I met I remember when I 811 00:54:50.920 --> 00:54:52.199 was when I was really young. I sorry, I couldn't remember. I'm 812 00:54:52.239 --> 00:54:55.239 like, god, I should know my secret societies here. I just find 813 00:54:55.280 --> 00:54:59.559 them interesting as as a topic. And I remember I've met a couple of 814 00:54:59.599 --> 00:55:01.320 Freemas in my life, and you know, I'm like, SyRI you with 815 00:55:01.400 --> 00:55:05.920 the Illuminati, can I see your ring? You know? And I've asked 816 00:55:05.960 --> 00:55:08.280 them, yeah, And I've asked them questions, and it's I find that 817 00:55:08.440 --> 00:55:12.639 I find it really like for them. They're they're like nothing's going on on 818 00:55:12.760 --> 00:55:16.960 their end, But I still find it super intriguing. They always have. 819 00:55:17.039 --> 00:55:19.800 But I'm not. No, I'm not part of any secret societ. I 820 00:55:19.800 --> 00:55:22.079 don't know if they would invite me in if it was a UFO one, 821 00:55:22.199 --> 00:55:25.480 probably, but I don't know if we have any UFO secret societies. Would 822 00:55:25.480 --> 00:55:30.719 you tell us if you were, I don't know. This is my alibi. 823 00:55:31.119 --> 00:55:36.079 That's it. Let me let you know, Let the rumors fly. 824 00:55:36.199 --> 00:55:38.519 I guess clip that part right. They're like, oh, my gods, 825 00:55:38.559 --> 00:55:45.400 working at the Pentagon, I'm part of a secret society. You are, 826 00:55:46.000 --> 00:55:51.239 yes, but it's not that sacred anymore. You guys can all join this 827 00:55:51.679 --> 00:55:58.159 Society for Scientific Exploration. Oh nice, Yes, that's where the people can 828 00:55:58.239 --> 00:56:08.159 go be anonymous into fringe science if they want to. Yeah. Yeah. 829 00:56:08.239 --> 00:56:14.119 She's shared a lot of the stuff from the scientific from that community and also 830 00:56:14.159 --> 00:56:19.559 the Scientific Coalition for what is it that the actual acronym s I say, 831 00:56:19.719 --> 00:56:23.039 the Society for Scientific Exploration. Yeah, yeah, that one. Yeah, 832 00:56:23.480 --> 00:56:28.519 you know what you just said. But there's a ton of like academic videos 833 00:56:28.719 --> 00:56:30.760 on there. They actually have a YouTube channel and they're on Twitter. But 834 00:56:30.840 --> 00:56:35.880 it's a lot of very well known academics, you know, PhDs, talking 835 00:56:35.880 --> 00:56:40.199 about a lot of interesting subjects. But you can be anonymous it's a secret 836 00:56:40.280 --> 00:56:45.639 society they allow to be anonymous. Oh yeah, so what is going on 837 00:56:45.760 --> 00:56:51.960 with you next, Chrissy? What we are? You know, we are 838 00:56:52.159 --> 00:56:57.920 dropping a story at the debrief that's going to be a debrief exclusive that people 839 00:56:57.960 --> 00:57:00.440 in our community to be really interested in. So I can't it's a leak. 840 00:57:00.480 --> 00:57:02.280 That's all I can say about it. And it should be next week, 841 00:57:02.719 --> 00:57:07.000 so from what we're planning, So yeah, that's going to be really 842 00:57:07.079 --> 00:57:12.000 exciting. So that that that will be my next when you guys see that 843 00:57:12.199 --> 00:57:16.320 that article drop, that will be my next video. So I'm really really 844 00:57:16.440 --> 00:57:20.840 excited to talk about it. And I have a crap load of research I 845 00:57:20.960 --> 00:57:28.159 need to start doing, uh so for next week to clear your calendars, 846 00:57:28.199 --> 00:57:30.840 everybody. It's gonna be a good one. Yeah, we should be. 847 00:57:30.880 --> 00:57:34.760 I should be dropping the video myself on Thursday or Friday, so it should 848 00:57:34.800 --> 00:57:37.559 be around that time. But it's not. We're like, it's not one 849 00:57:37.639 --> 00:57:40.360 hundred percent confirmed, but hopefully so I get That's that's the most I can 850 00:57:40.400 --> 00:57:44.119 say right now. But I'm I'm really excited to do it, and it's 851 00:57:44.400 --> 00:57:45.960 someone I've been wanting to talk to you for a very very long time. 852 00:57:46.119 --> 00:57:52.639 So I'm just excited that I get the chance to amazing. Here's a question 853 00:57:52.679 --> 00:57:55.199 I have for you. Where is Tim's part four of his four part? 854 00:57:55.559 --> 00:57:59.840 Uh? We always make fun of him on that. We're like something. 855 00:58:00.000 --> 00:58:01.320 We're like, oh, something's gonna happen. We're like Tim's part four or 856 00:58:01.360 --> 00:58:07.920 is that dropping? In discord? We're asking yeah, right, so we 857 00:58:08.000 --> 00:58:10.400 don't know. We're asking too. We're like, Tim, where is this? 858 00:58:12.679 --> 00:58:15.159 So? I don't? I don't that's a Tim thing. I I. 859 00:58:15.639 --> 00:58:19.199 We haven't talked about it in recent weeks, but at some point I 860 00:58:19.239 --> 00:58:21.679 think you will be. I love to tell them we haven't forgotten. We 861 00:58:21.800 --> 00:58:27.159 haven't forgotten. I will tell him that the discord, Yeah, living together, 862 00:58:28.119 --> 00:58:32.199 mcan go okay, do we need do we have time? From? 863 00:58:32.239 --> 00:58:37.519 One last question? And who wants to take it? Deb? There's one 864 00:58:37.559 --> 00:58:40.519 in the chat and there's one deb, Did you want to ask a question? 865 00:58:42.079 --> 00:58:44.800 I know I was just referencing. We have one in the chat. 866 00:58:45.000 --> 00:58:50.400 It's about the U A p X. It's right from Kelly open muse. 867 00:58:51.119 --> 00:58:54.559 Is Christy aware of U A p X U A P expeditions? They recently 868 00:58:54.679 --> 00:59:00.840 returned from an expedition Ketalina Island, looking for tic TACs say the analyzing the 869 00:59:00.960 --> 00:59:05.960 data cuts. Yes, I'm actually in the new documentary that's coming out. 870 00:59:07.719 --> 00:59:09.880 Yeah, so I just pro a moment. I'm in it. I was 871 00:59:09.920 --> 00:59:16.519 in California and Katalina Island, and I was in California last year, so 872 00:59:17.199 --> 00:59:21.719 I will have a moment in it. And that's all I can say about 873 00:59:21.840 --> 00:59:24.039 that. But I do know the guys at u ap X, Yes they 874 00:59:24.119 --> 00:59:29.440 do. I did meet them in person last year. It was invited to 875 00:59:29.480 --> 00:59:32.159 come to go meet them, and I had dinner with them and then I 876 00:59:32.280 --> 00:59:37.880 ended up just you know, finding myself on an expectition for like an evening. 877 00:59:37.199 --> 00:59:42.079 So wow, yeah, yeah, they're great. I love Harry and 878 00:59:42.159 --> 00:59:46.360 everyone else. Yeah, incredibly Well. No, I mean I just got 879 00:59:46.480 --> 00:59:49.400 to say, I know, we could talk to you for a very long 880 00:59:49.480 --> 00:59:53.280 time. I appreciate the It's not just you know, Christy, just to 881 00:59:53.320 --> 00:59:55.519 be honest with you, it's not just the quality of the work that you 882 00:59:55.599 --> 00:59:59.840 do, but your passion for this subject is very evident, you know, 883 01:00:00.000 --> 01:00:01.280 and it's really cool to see that, and it's I think that's hard to 884 01:00:01.360 --> 01:00:06.280 find. It's also probably why people resonate with what the debrief is doing because 885 01:00:06.320 --> 01:00:09.239 it's a it's it's just something that everybody on that team seems to share. 886 01:00:09.840 --> 01:00:13.559 And uh, you know, I think, you know, for myself personally, 887 01:00:13.559 --> 01:00:15.760 I'm by the rest of the team, but you know, kudos to 888 01:00:15.800 --> 01:00:17.039 what you guys do, and I keep up the great work. And I 889 01:00:17.159 --> 01:00:21.480 know that you know in this in this topic, there's a lot of controversy 890 01:00:21.559 --> 01:00:23.559 and you can't put out anything without somebody saying, oh, well, you 891 01:00:23.639 --> 01:00:27.639 did this wrong or whatever. But I just want to encourage you guys to 892 01:00:27.719 --> 01:00:30.480 keep doing the great work you're doing and uh and not you know, give 893 01:00:30.599 --> 01:00:34.360 up. And you know we're you have a lot of support in the community. 894 01:00:35.159 --> 01:00:37.320 Thank you, Like, thank you so much. I'll tell the guys 895 01:00:37.400 --> 01:00:38.719 that too, and everyone else on the team like, and I thank you 896 01:00:38.800 --> 01:00:42.519 for a compliment. I appreciate that. Like I love the topic a lot. 897 01:00:43.199 --> 01:00:45.079 And that was a fear of mine when I started getting into this. 898 01:00:45.159 --> 01:00:47.760 I was like, people are gonna people are really gonna believe that. And 899 01:00:47.960 --> 01:00:51.119 at the point I was just like, I don't care because I care. 900 01:00:52.519 --> 01:00:53.360 And at one point I was like, if you don't watch it or they 901 01:00:53.400 --> 01:00:57.000 do, I don't care. I just like to do it. It makes 902 01:00:57.039 --> 01:01:00.760 me happy. So I'm just glad that people and just glad people like the 903 01:01:00.800 --> 01:01:04.079 content like I really do, and I appreciate that mentally appreciate is watching. 904 01:01:04.119 --> 01:01:07.199 I appreciate people sharing everything. So thank you for that. Than You're welcome. 905 01:01:07.639 --> 01:01:13.679 We appreciate you seeking the truth. Yeah, and you do. That's 906 01:01:13.719 --> 01:01:16.199 what we're all here for. One thing we all have in common. Everybody 907 01:01:16.400 --> 01:01:21.119 likes truth in this community. That's and I think that's such an honorable thing 908 01:01:21.280 --> 01:01:25.079 to like and to want and to be part of. So absolutely, well, 909 01:01:25.079 --> 01:01:28.480 thanks again for joining us, and we're going to keep our eyes out 910 01:01:29.039 --> 01:01:31.159 for what's coming next week. Speaking of next week, just on our own 911 01:01:31.199 --> 01:01:35.840 show, we have Ryan Spray coming up to join us on Wednesday, looking 912 01:01:35.840 --> 01:01:37.920 forward to chatting with him, UH and UH, and then we have other 913 01:01:37.960 --> 01:01:40.960 shows planned UH in the coming weeks ahead that we're really excited about. So 914 01:01:42.320 --> 01:01:46.079 anyway, for myself, Nathan, for Akashi, Chris dev Study of UAP's 915 01:01:46.119 --> 01:01:50.639 and Flarius Kevin UH and for Christy Newton, we thank all of you for 916 01:01:50.760 --> 01:01:55.920 joining us on CAB and we'll see you next time. Bye, Thanks bye,