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We're back with another edition of The
Federalist Radio Hour. I'm Emily Jashinsky,

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culture editor here at the Federalist.
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The Federalist dot Com as well. Today

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we are joined by David Boson.
He is the managing partner and the founder

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of the Bonson Group. You've probably
seen him all over Fox and Fox Business,

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CMBC, all those places. He's
also the author of a new book,

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Full Time Work and the Meaning of
Life. David, welcome to the

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show. Well, thank you so
much for having me. Great to be

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with you. Of course, could
you tell us just a little bit of

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background. I mean, you have
such an interesting background, but could you

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tell us us a little bit about
how you ended up founding the Bonson Group,

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becoming a commentator on the markets for
all of these different networks and news

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outlets. You've also worked with Acton
Institute. I've read you a national review

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many times. Tell us about how
you ended up where you are. Well,

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I essentially spent the bulk of my
career at a couple of different Wall

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Street firms until I was about to
turn forty years old and decided that I

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was either going to start my own
firm then or I was never going to

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start it. And I felt that
I was at Morgan Stanley. I was

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a managing director there. I would
have been content if I were going to

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stay at a big firm to be
there, but I wasn't content to stay

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at one of the big Wall Street
firms. I would love to say that

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I was prescient and prophetic about how
woke and challenging it was going to be

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for people in my faith and of
my political orientation to be at the big

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firms, but really it wasn't even
that. It was just that I felt

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an entrepreneurial itch to start my own
firm. I was totally convinced that we

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could serve clients better on our own, and so nearly ten years ago I

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made that move and since have seen, you know, really wonderful growth in

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our business, and a lot of
it open up the doors to what you're

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describing, where you know, I'm
able to go on TV share our point

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of view. I can write books
that are about topics I care about,

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you know, generally have a point
of view, and that's kind of how

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we've run our business. And it's
really what I do day by day is

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wake up and have the things I'm
passionate about. I kind of have a

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platform now I can talk about those
things. And if I were still working

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for a big fortune one hundred company, I wouldn't be able to. So

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that's sort of my story. So
interesting. Now, tell us about the

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book again, full time work.
I would imagine a lifetime of full time

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work inspired this book, David,
But tell us a little bit more about

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the inspiration behind writing this book at
the specific time too, because I'm sure

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there's something to that as well.
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in the book. I freely admit
that for me, pouring myself into work

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and the early stages of my adult
life was very therapeutic. I lost my

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father when I was twenty and he
was forty seven. My mom was already

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gone, and my dad was my
best friend and my mentor, my hero.

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You know, it was just I
almost incalculable position to find oneself in

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as you're getting ready to begin adult
life, and I found work to be

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a very healthy diversion to some of
the trauma, some of the challenges.

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And the reason I think it was
healthy was not merely that it distracted you

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from kind of the sadness and the
difficulty. I think work rechannels energy into

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more productive things. You become more
useful, and it helps you to formulate

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your identity, your self confidence.
And it only does so to the extent

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that in work you're able to be
valuable to other people. And so experiencing

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that living that helped me to kind
of better understand now what has been thirty

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years later, why it works that
way, And as a man of faith,

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I'm convinced it is how God designed
things, how he made the world

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and made mankind for the purpose of
mankind working using its labor to be creative

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and innovative and productive. And I
think that there's an economic glory in all

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of this, whereby we uh and
through the process of producing goods and services

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that enhance quality of life for others, we enhance our own quality of life.

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So that that is something that animates
me. Professionally, of course,

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I am in the business of applying
that to the world of financial markets,

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giving investors an opportunity to put their
capital to work in a way that sees

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their quality life enhanced by how their
capital is enhancing quality life for others.

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I think work gives us a chance
to produce positive feedback loops when so much

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of the world seems stuck in a
negative feedback loop. You know, I

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hear more and more, and I'm
sure you paid close attention to these trends

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as you're writing your book, especially
from members of gen Z or anything to

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that extent. You know, as
manual labor has been automated out of existence

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in some particular sectors, especially that
you know, what the future looks like

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is a lot of what people derisively
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laptop class, and you know that
is a real change for humanity so over

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the course of you know, the
last one hundred two hundred years. But

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at the same time, you just
made a really important point about just the

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importance of purpose and how work,
whether it's a laptop job or a welding

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job, can bring people a sense
of purpose. Do you worry it's shifting

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with technology if people feel less purposeful, you know, sort of scrolling through

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spreadsheets endlessly or sending you know,
an infinite what seems like an infinite string

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of emails. Where do you see
the future of that going? Are you

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worried about that? You know,
sort of making people feel like they just

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want to put on their VR headset
every morning and you know, take their

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xanax and get on with things.
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my book and adopt a theology of
work the way I'm describing, we can

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get rid of xanax altogether as well. But I digress. It's funny,

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how yeah, I mean a lot
of these things seem to go together.

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Supposedly, hard work is hurting the
mental health of our society, and yet

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all I see are those that are
least interested in participating in hard work seem

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to be the most medicated. So
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way. But your point about technology
is a really interesting one, and all

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at once, I have a desire
to be informative and useful in my answer,

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but also maintain some degree of empathy
for the reality on the ground.

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There will be people whose jobs become
obsolete, and there will be even greater

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opportunities that open up out of various
societal changes and transformations. This is the

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story of our economy since the beginning
of time, from the point at which

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mankind invented the wheel and learned how
to start a fire, to the point

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at which the more recent times they
invented an iPhone and an awful lot of

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things in between. There is a
sense that is progress that can be disruptive.

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There's not a historical precedent for progress
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it created a greater ratio than it
creates them. The Industrial revolution made certain

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things obsolete and by an exponential factor, opened up more doors and more opportunities.

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I wish I could say that everyone
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that has some marketability to it,
that it will never change. They'll get

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paid the same or more. They'll
do the same thing in the same way

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and in the same place. I
don't know that. I know that I

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have written all my books on a
computer, and my late father wrote several

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books. He was a tremendous Christian
intellectual. He wrote his books on a

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typewriter, and I view that progress
as a good thing. A lot of

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people used to work for typewriter companies, and they don't anymore, and so

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the advent of digital technology and automation
didn't start two years ago when we started

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saying the words AI every other word. It started fifty years ago, and

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from the mainframe computers to a personal
computer, to eventually the Internet, and

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then the cloud, and yes,
now into AI. There's a lot of

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things we do that require less hands
and will require less bodies. There's still

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an awful lot of need for hands
and an awful lot of need for bodies.

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And then there is work that gets
done in a way that then requires

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other work. I want a dynamic
workforce. I want a workforce by which

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there is mobility. Some people may
end up needing to move. Relocation used

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to be very normal, and now
we operate as if the need to relocate

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is out of the question. I
think there will be a need for some

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retraining. But I just want to
be really clear, I'm not doing this

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learned code kind of thing. I'm
not saying every welder and plumber needs to

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go become a computer programmer, because
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of things the technology is never ever, ever going to disintermediate the human parts

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of the economy are not going to
go anywhere. There will be things we

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do more efficiently. That's been going
on for fifty years. The speed is

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picked up a bit. But I
do not worry that we will eliminate entire

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jobs altogether. I think we will
replace jobs and that it will be a

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net positive for economic opportunity. And
you know, you wait in. And

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I thought this was super into the
debate that was sparked by a segment on

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bench Repair of podcast sort of viral
on Twitter x whatever we want to call

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it, that was interpreted by some
people as insensitive and you know, ignorant

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about whether people are should retire at
the age of sixty five. Ben was

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talking specifically about the retirement age,
like the government retirement age for Social Security

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and benefits. And you know,
he said, you shouldn't retire at sixty

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five. It doesn't you lose that
purpose in your life for so many people.

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Will you end up dying really quickly
after you quote unquote retire. Others

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said, well, hey, if
I'm a roofer, I really need to

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retire at sixty five, I'm not
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I saw you wait into that debate, wait in on that debate, especially

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given the top of your book sort
of a perfect thing for you to address.

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Could you tell our listeners a little
bit of what you made about that

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exchange. Yeah, I really think
it's a great point, and I think

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the two things can be true at
once, and in fact are true at

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once. I have a whole chapter
in the book about this, so Ben

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was kind of reading my mind because
I wrote about this, you know,

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a year ago. I am totally
against the idea of retirement. And yet

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I do not mean by that that
a person who works with their hands when

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they're thirty three should be out hammering
and welding and drilling and all of the

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kind of physical manual labor that is
involved in a lot of construction and blue

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collar work when they're sixty eight years
old. And nor did Ben mean that

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either. What I mean is a
mentality that the purpose of work is to

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stop doing it, that you work
for the purpose of not having to work

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anymore. I fully accept that there
is a difference, a differentiation across different

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sectors, different industries, different professions, in what usefulness will mean in one

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senior year, in your years of
life. The idea of getting to a

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point where you end your life in
a twenty or twenty five or thirty year

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retirement that is really a twenty five
thirty year vacation. I think has been

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counterproductive. I think it's taken a
lot of people away from a usefulness.

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I also think it has deprived a
lot of younger people, including Gen X

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fifty year old business owners like myself, from some of the mentorship and seniority

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and expertise and wisdom that we want
from our senior people. And then I

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also think that the younger generation has
ended up having to go about things without

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the sort of institutional DNA, institutional
knowledge the benefits of that experience. Now,

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what do I say to a literal
blue collar worker works with their hands

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that sixty five years old is not
able to do it anymore? I think

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that they are very much in a
position to try to take advantage if they

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have the economic means to do so
of not having to continue work in the

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same physical capacity and to transition that
into a different usefulness. And it may

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be coaching, advising, teaching,
mentoring people in the same industry, and

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maybe a different quality or category altogether. It's the difference between micro and macroeconomics.

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Ben was talking about a macro economic
principle I'm talking about a macro fundamental

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idea that the purpose of work is
not to stop doing it. But in

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the micro there's going to be different
examples, there's going to be different manifestations

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of how these things play out.
I hope to put a suit and tie

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on and come to the office for
the rest of my life. I understand

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that I don't work with my hands, and that there's a difference between,

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as they say, people who take
a shower before work and people take a

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shower after work. I'm not oblivious
to that. I am completely aware that

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what one does in the senior years
of their life will be different. I

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merely want a framework by which we
maintain usefulness, we maintain productivity. And

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I will tell you, even though
I'm not an expert in construction, that

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there is significant amount of opportunity for
people who worked in a blue collar environment

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the of their life to have usefulness
and productivity and hopefully even at a lower

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scale, not do the same time
commitment more margin. Even white collar professionals

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I think would be better served by
having more margin but still staying in the

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game, so to speak. That's
all I'm referring to, and I think

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the beneficiaries of that framework are the
people themselves that are into the senior years

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of their life, the younger workers
the benefit from their experience and expertise,

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and then the economy at large that
is much better served by multi generational talent.

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seventy five dollars or more. And
what is your advice for people looking to

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find that sense of purpose in their
work? You know, it's really it's

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an easy answer for me because I
get to do, you know, one

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of the coolest things ever, and
it's very easy to kind of identify a

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sense of purpose for me. But
when other people say man, I cannot

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wait to quit work. I cannot
wait to stop pushing papers and you know,

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maybe putting shingles up, whatever it
is, How David, can people

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find jobs, or maybe find purpose
within jobs that isn't obvious to them at

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any given moment. Well, I
don't think that my advice is perfect if

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the standard would be that everyone is
satisfied by it. But I do think

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this is helpful. One of the
things we have to do a better job

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of is just understanding economically what work
is. When someone says it's a futile

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endeavor, it's meaningless, it's not
doing anything. I get that it can

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feel that way, I can feel
mundane. It is categorically untrue, though,

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that there's anybody out there paying you
to do something that's meaningless. It

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may be tedious to you, but
it is serving some purpose. In the

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value creation process, we produce goods
and services that meet the needs of humanity

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or we don't get paid. And
I believe that some people may say,

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okay, well, I'm just sitting
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on one level, I would say, okay, you might be helping a

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million people right now. You might
be serving the needs of a million people

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around the world that you're never going
to meet working on an assembly line.

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Now, you also may have skills
that enable you to do something that you

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would consider bigger and better, something
that more aligns with your skills and passions.

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Others may not have developed the skill
set, or have the education,

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or have the readiness they could build
it. There are very few jobs that

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don't allow you to move your station
in life. That to me is why

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every one of us should be waking
up in the morning and going to bed

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at night praying that we preserve a
market economy, Because if there is a

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macro concern about mobility, that one
could move their station in life, there

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is no surer way to ruin that
than to take away the freedoms of a

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market economy a free enterprise. But
within a market economy, we all have

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the opportunity to advance our station.
Some end up needing more education, needing

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a certain certification, Some have to
network more, some have to pay their

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dues. I'm not suggesting it's easy. I'm not suggesting that the entire process

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feels fun every moment. But I
am suggesting that all work is meaningful,

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that all work is serving the needs
of humanity at one level or another,

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and where somebody wishes they had a
different opportunity. I think they need to

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start with where their skills are.
The person who says I have an office

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job, I get paid pretty well. I go to work, I do

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my deal. But I got to
tell you, I've just always wanted to

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be a Broadway actor, actress,
or I've always wanted to be an NBA

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player or something. I think we
have to quit romanticized and the idea of

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our passions leading the way and start
with our skills leading the way, because

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I simply do not believe that people
whose skills lead the way do not eventually

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lead to fulfillment. It's a funny
thing about human beings that we all seem

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to really like doing things well when
people compliment us all the time, pay

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us, give us bonuses, give
us promotions. You know, when you're

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good at something, you end up
loving it, And I think that that

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is got to be the focus,
as opposed to something a little bit more

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romantic. I'm almost fifty year old, man, I've loved basketball my whole

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life. I was never going to
play in the NBA. That was never

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on the table. It sure sounds
nice, but you know, I was

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pretty good at managing money, and
then that's why I pursued and I love

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it with every ounce of breath in
my body. I understand that there are

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certain occupations that do not carry the
socio economic strata that being a corner office,

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you know, Wall Street guy comes
with. But I want to be

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clear, I didn't I didn't start
where I am. You know, this

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was a journey, and for everyone
out there frustrated with where they are in

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their journey, that's really the best
advice I have. That the journey itself

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is filled with ups and downs,
and yet that earned success over time more

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than the destination itself, it creates
a journey that leads to human flourishing.

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You mentioned this earlier, and I
know that you've written about this, but

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you mentioned earlier that sort of moment
when it wasn't clear to a lot of

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people, people who weren't paying close
enough attention, or definitely a lot of

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people like myself who didn't live in
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Angeles, that there was an ideology
migrating kind of from college campuses to you

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know, those corner offices to the
c suites to the newsrooms, and it's

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kind of come under the catch all
now of DEI. But I wanted to

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see, David if you could talk
to us a little bit about how you,

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as a man of faith working in
the industry, saw this coming and

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whether you think that you know it's
on its way out or some of these

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corporations, you know, I think
of the way Jamie Diamond now talks about

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DEI and other top wall shirt guys
talk about DEI, whether it's actually just

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being kind of renamed, rebranded,
What do you think is going on with

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it? And when did you really
start to notice it again as a man

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of faith who had that interesting vantage
point. Well, I believe that it

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accelerated very quickly. There was sort
of a few different factors that played out

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at once. The kind of general
woke social justice identity politics movement overlapped with

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ESG and then of course found itself
in twenty twenty out of the BLM,

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and then the COVID lockdowns. Moments
where various things that are not immediately correlated

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or don't apparently seem to be part
of the same dynamic kind of all overlapped

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together. And I think that it
did a significant amount of damage, but

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I think it peaked. I don't
believe that we face the worst into the

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future of this insanity. I think
that the worst is behind us. But

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that's very different than saying our work
is done. I don't call it DEI.

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I call it die because I think
it needs to die. And what

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I'm referring to there is the general
disdain for a meritocratic culture, and the

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DEI movement, especially trying to codify
this into HR manuals and to college admissions,

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into various parts of corporate protocol.
It essentially is focused on division and

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attempting to organize society around race,
gender, and class instead of around truth,

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beauty, and goodness. And I
don't think it is sustainable. I

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think it dies the death of its
own internal contradictions. And ultimately I'm very

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optimistic that we will move on to
what is a more American like DNA that

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is meritocratic. But along the way
it's done great damage to the culture.

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I kind to think I was prescient
about it, but I think I was

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luckier more than anything else, because
in twenty fourteen, there is no possible

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way I would have predicted that things
were going to get to the level of

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insanity they did just five or six
years later. So I'm certainly grateful that

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I got out of harm's way,
but I don't think I deserve credit for

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fully reading the tea leaves. And
yet I am convinced that so much of

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the excess has caused the pendulum to
swing the other way. And speaking of

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the pendulum swinging the other way,
a lot of people on the right again,

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I know that you've written about this
too, A lot of people on

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the right say, well, the
pendulum of free enterprise has sort of swung

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too far in the wrong direction.
We now have a culture that can't support

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free enterprise. Because free enterprise or
you know, even self government. Some

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people will go so far as to
say, you know, Patrick Denin or

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somebody like Adrian Remual, the sort
of extent of self government, republican government

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that we have now small our republican
government that we have now because we don't

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have that sort of virtuous people that
John Adams wrote about sort of famously.

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And once you lose that kind of
cultural cohesion, that sort of collective faith

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in Judeo Christian ethics, then free
enterprise becomes, you know, people trying

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to sell your kids TikTok to take
a very topical subject right now, or

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trying to sell your kids. You
know, people would go so far as

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as a heroin whatever it is that
you know, it's just sort of unfettered

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from the cultural boundaries that used to
prevent people from from doing things, you

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know, whether it was stigma or
law that were unethical. Do you worry

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about that, David? And you
know, what is the kind of balance?

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How important is that sort of cultural
cohesion as a balance to the market.

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Well, it's incredibly important. But
I would actually frame it a little

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bit differently because I talk about my
insistence on us advocating for a free and

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virtuous society, and I don't think
I'm balancing like an acid allocation, you

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know, fifty percent freedom and fifty
percent virtue. I believe we have to

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have one hundred percent focus on the
prize of liberty and one hundred percent focus

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on the necessity of virtue and morality
and character, or we will lose both.

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So my critique of some of these
quote unquote new right folks is not

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that I disagree that we undermine our
freedom with a lack of virtue. It's

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that I disagree that the solution is
in some form of coercion. With coercion,

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I think we then forfeit, both
because I don't think there's anything moral

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about coercing someone into doing the right
thing what I want ultimately, and the

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old term, you know from this
debate fifty sixty years ago was fusionism.

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I believe we need the fusion of
freedom and virtue. But my defense of

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a free enterprise system, and what
I'm willing to spend the next fifty years

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of my life fighting for, is
a political right that is aligned around an

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economic right wingedness, a defense of
free enterprise that understands, as Adam Smith

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did, both the source of the
wealth of nations and the theory of moral

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sentiments. This sort of juxtaposition of
freedom and virtue. I agree with those

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in the New Right that bemoan what
happens when virtue is taken out of a

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society, and then what we do
with our freedom is snapchat and TikTok and

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pornography and other such things. The
only solution I know of is for us

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to fortify the mediating institutions. The
family and church are the only institutions that

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can help to properly fortify and equip
us for that moral formation. The notion

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of coersion creating adequately moralized society has
never existed anywhere in human history. So

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I want the state to protect the
rule of law. I want the state

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to function as a moral entity,
but not using coersion. And therefore my

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defense of a free marketplace is very
much connected to how much better I think

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a marketplace allocates scarcity, deals with
risk and reward when there are those fundamentals

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do, if anything, to help
their employees, their workers discover that kind

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of sense of purpose and their full
time work. What can be done?

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You know, we've sort of talked
about how people, the rest of us

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as employees can approach this full time
work and find purpose in it. But

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is there anything that employers can do
better corporations can do better at helping people

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in that position feel fulfilled, feel
purposeful in their full time work, especially

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if you know it is sending those
emails and working on the spreadsheets and maybe

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not even interfacing with all that many
real humans anymore. What can they do?

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Yeah, So it's such a wonderful
question, and it's something I want

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us all to spend more time with
because I wrote a book that's dealing with

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individuals how they feel about their work. So many people are out there telling

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the government what they can do in
the policy arena that would be more pro

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work and pro worker and all of
that's important, But the employeer has a

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lot that they can do as well. First, let me just suggest two

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quick kind of internal policy things.
I think these forced retirement ages at age

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sixty or sixty two, sixty three. I'm not looking for the state to

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come in and say they can't do
it, but let me just humbly suggest

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that it's a terrible idea and it's
hurting their own companies. Now. I

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understand at one point they feel like
there's a certain position. The sixty three

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year old might be a little more
stale at some point, and kind of

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their ability to bring in new ideas. They want to replace the sixty three

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year old with a young friend,
thirty year old who's more technologically savvy.

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Okay, I get it, But
do I think that forced retirement ages are

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the way to accomplish that. I
do not. I think creating positions for

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mentorship, for oversight that might be
more part time, it might be more

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consultative. There's any number of ways
that could be administered. But I don't

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think a blanket forcing a people out
of a company at a given age is

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a good idea. The other thing
I think is a terrible idea is this

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nonsense about required college degrees. The
companies don't even care about it themselves,

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because anyone who's ever hired anyone knows
that you're going to get nine out of

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ten applicants that are terrible, whether
they have a college degree or not,

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and that their degree in gender studies
from San Diego State did not make them

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a better accountant or whatever it is
you're hiring. For the reason they do

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it is a filtering mechanism. There's
just so many applicants. It's just easier

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to thin the herd, to cut
the pile by requiring college degrees. But

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what you're doing is you're taking a
whole group of people that maybe didn't want

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the student debt, maybe had a
tough family situation, young in life,

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whatever the case may be, but
would be really good workers, really good

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producers, really good innovators, and
you're taking them out of contention for no

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reason. And so I think those
are two ideas of where employers can benefit

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the labor force by getting rid of
two very stupid policies. Culturally, day

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to day, for the workforce the
company does have, they should be economically

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minded. Remind employees when they're doing
the mundane things with spreadsheets and assembly line

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that it isn't mundane. Remind them
that they're serving people all over the world.

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And obviously I understand that people are
there to do a job and that

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the benefit is the paycheck, but
creating a culture where people want to be

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there, I can't get the state
to help with this. I can't get

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the government to pass law saying you
must smile at your job, or you

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must make everybody happy. Don't infantalize
them by saying, oh, you can

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be happy here, because we're going
to have an arcade and we're going to

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let you skateboard around the office and
all these kind of you know, cool

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tech company things. Treat them my
adults, but make it a place people

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want to work and communicate. To
me, these things are not rocket science,

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and there's a low hanging fruit for
how people can enjoy their employment opportunities

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far more. David Moonson, thank
you so much for joining the show today.

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Well, it's been my pleasure.
I really enjoyed your questions. Thank

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you so much for having me.
Absolutely you've been listening to another edition of

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The Federalist Radio Hour. I'm Emily
Dashchenski, culture editor here at The Federalist,

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and we will be back soon with
more. Until then, be lovers

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of freedom and anxious for the friend. I heard the fame voice the Reason,

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and then it faded away. Mm
hmm