WEBVTT 1 00:00:03.720 --> 00:00:10.080 Welcome to Open Minds Radio with Alejandro Roja. Open Minds Radio is the UFO 2 00:00:10.400 --> 00:00:15.919 news authority presenting evidence and the latest news regarding the UFO phenomenon. Here's your 3 00:00:15.960 --> 00:00:24.760 host, Alejandro Roja. Hello and welcome my friends to Open Minds Radio. 4 00:00:24.960 --> 00:00:32.880 This is Alejandro rojash you're a host for this wonderful show, Open Minds Radio, 5 00:00:32.960 --> 00:00:37.560 which I already said Rob said that too, Bobby. We have an 6 00:00:37.640 --> 00:00:41.320 awesome show today. I'm really excited about it because we have some Norwegian fellows. 7 00:00:41.960 --> 00:00:45.399 Yes, we were able to contact them all the way back in their 8 00:00:45.479 --> 00:00:51.320 homeland and get a hold of them. This is Truell and Terry actually, 9 00:00:51.320 --> 00:00:56.320 because that's what they go by Frish English speakers who can't say their real names 10 00:00:56.359 --> 00:01:00.159 properly and it is a little difficult, although they had problems with me my 11 00:01:00.240 --> 00:01:03.520 name, so it win both ways. But the top tens and there are 12 00:01:03.079 --> 00:01:11.359 new Paradigm films. They've meant made several UFO related films, the latest one 13 00:01:11.439 --> 00:01:15.120 being The Day Before Disclosure. That's the one we've talked about because it won 14 00:01:15.159 --> 00:01:21.760 the People's Choice Award at the International UFO Congress at the EBU Award, so 15 00:01:21.840 --> 00:01:27.480 they took one of those cool ebe statuettes with them home, so we're really 16 00:01:27.519 --> 00:01:33.439 happy that they want. One thing that's exciting about this film in particular is 17 00:01:33.439 --> 00:01:37.079 that they put it online for free. So many of our listeners, at 18 00:01:37.200 --> 00:01:41.120 least a few of you, have probably already seen this online for free, 19 00:01:41.519 --> 00:01:47.400 and I thought that was an incredible and super cool thing for them to do, 20 00:01:48.439 --> 00:01:52.799 because you know, people are always complaining about being able to get content 21 00:01:52.840 --> 00:01:56.159 for free, although it's not free to put the content up in the first 22 00:01:56.159 --> 00:01:59.799 place, so it did cost them a lot, and we talked about that 23 00:02:00.280 --> 00:02:05.920 on the show, so that's really cool. I was really happy for that 24 00:02:06.040 --> 00:02:08.560 reason to see these guys when plus it's a great show. So it's New 25 00:02:08.639 --> 00:02:14.319 Paradigm's film. New Paradigmfilms. Dot no is their website, and we'll talk 26 00:02:14.360 --> 00:02:17.520 more about that later. There's some really great guys and it's a really interesting 27 00:02:17.520 --> 00:02:24.199 conversation. Also, I want to thank Big JD his You Talking to Me 28 00:02:24.360 --> 00:02:29.960 show from Detroit. He's on CJAM ninety nine point one. Did an interview 29 00:02:30.000 --> 00:02:34.159 with him earlier today. You can look him up Big JD and listen to 30 00:02:34.240 --> 00:02:37.479 that interview. We talked about all kinds of UFO stuff, for half an 31 00:02:37.479 --> 00:02:38.960 hour. It was a lot of fun, really cool, nice guy, 32 00:02:38.960 --> 00:02:43.639 and I want to thank him for having us on. We talked about a 33 00:02:43.680 --> 00:02:49.000 lot of the latest news. There's someone else who likes to talk a lot 34 00:02:49.039 --> 00:02:53.879 about the latest news, and that is a gentleman by the name of Jason 35 00:02:53.080 --> 00:02:58.680 McClellan who works here for Open Minds. We always put UFO headlines up on 36 00:02:58.719 --> 00:03:01.840 the website to keep you up today, and Jason comes here every week to 37 00:03:02.000 --> 00:03:07.800 update us on the latest. And he is here again. Jason, how 38 00:03:07.840 --> 00:03:10.879 are you, buddy. I'm great, Alejandro. I'm Big JM. And 39 00:03:10.879 --> 00:03:14.560 I like to talk about the news. All right, Big JM? Is 40 00:03:14.599 --> 00:03:20.719 that your new radio name. It's not, but in honor of Big jd 41 00:03:21.400 --> 00:03:23.000 our new friend, I thought i'd throw out the Big JM. But I'll 42 00:03:23.039 --> 00:03:27.759 leave the big to him. Anyway. Let's get into the news, my 43 00:03:27.759 --> 00:03:30.439 friend, because I love talking about the news. This is your Open Minds 44 00:03:30.439 --> 00:03:36.439 newsbury From Monday, April eleventh, twenty eleven, The FBI unveiled the Vault, 45 00:03:37.000 --> 00:03:39.560 a new electronic reading room, on their website last week. The Vault 46 00:03:39.599 --> 00:03:45.080 currently contains more than two thousand digitized documents that are available for public browsing, 47 00:03:45.479 --> 00:03:50.000 and some of these files contained references to UFOs. One document that is getting 48 00:03:50.039 --> 00:03:53.280 attention from the media is a March twenty second, nineteen fifty memo from Guy 49 00:03:53.360 --> 00:03:59.240 Hoddle, a special Agent in charge of the FBI's Washington Field office, concerning 50 00:03:59.280 --> 00:04:04.319 flying sauce that was sent to the FBI's director. As Fox News recently explained, 51 00:04:04.360 --> 00:04:10.120 the memo states an investigator for the Air Force stated that three so called 52 00:04:10.159 --> 00:04:14.599 flying saucers had been recovered in New Mexico. They were described as being circular 53 00:04:14.639 --> 00:04:17.839 in shape, with raised centers approximately fifty feet in diameter. Each one was 54 00:04:17.879 --> 00:04:23.160 occupied by three bodies of human shape but only three feet tall, dressed in 55 00:04:23.199 --> 00:04:28.879 metallic cloth of a very fine texture. While this memo simply shows Hottle relaying 56 00:04:28.920 --> 00:04:32.160 details provided by a third party, it is still noteworthy that such details are 57 00:04:32.199 --> 00:04:38.439 presented in an FBI memo. Another UFO file contained in the FBI's documents relates 58 00:04:38.480 --> 00:04:42.839 to a UFO that exploded over Utah in nineteen forty nine. The Daily Mail 59 00:04:42.879 --> 00:04:46.360 details of the FBI cable that describes how an army guard, a policeman, 60 00:04:46.480 --> 00:04:51.319 and a highway patrolmen who were all miles apart each saw a UFO which they 61 00:04:51.319 --> 00:04:59.040 said exploded over mountains near Logan north of Salt Lake City. Yeah, that 62 00:04:59.240 --> 00:05:02.600 the memos. Everybody's getting really excited, but this stuff actually isn't new. 63 00:05:02.680 --> 00:05:08.319 Most of this stuff came out like in nineteen seventy seven, including the guy 64 00:05:08.399 --> 00:05:15.160 hottle One whichever. You know, it's funny these sites posting that this is 65 00:05:15.240 --> 00:05:18.920 proof of Roswell because actually the documents never have been believed to be part of 66 00:05:19.000 --> 00:05:25.199 Roswell. And CBS wrote a story where they kind of said that that these 67 00:05:25.240 --> 00:05:28.920 aren't new documents, they've been out and they made fun of some of these 68 00:05:28.920 --> 00:05:31.560 other news sources, I think like the Daily Mail, and they said if 69 00:05:31.560 --> 00:05:34.600 they would have simply called the FBI, they would have found out that the 70 00:05:34.639 --> 00:05:38.959 new files are not the UFO ones but other ones. But this is a 71 00:05:39.040 --> 00:05:44.399 much easier way to access the UFO files. Correct. And even though these 72 00:05:44.439 --> 00:05:46.839 don't relate to Roswell and some people, a lot of people think they've been 73 00:05:47.279 --> 00:05:53.160 Bruce mcabee for instance, he's the guy who got these documents from the FBI 74 00:05:53.199 --> 00:05:57.800 in nineteen seventy seven, and he believes that the guy hoddle One about the 75 00:05:57.839 --> 00:06:01.000 three UFOs has to do with the Skull book, which we've talked about before 76 00:06:01.079 --> 00:06:06.519 and Dreamy Draw and and that's been debunked as people saying that that wasn't real, 77 00:06:08.920 --> 00:06:14.399 that that was all hoaxed. Until people think this memo was people picking 78 00:06:14.439 --> 00:06:18.000 up the story that was hoaxed and then relaying that to the FBI and they 79 00:06:18.000 --> 00:06:23.439 wrote a memo. But not everybody agrees that these are hoax because in our 80 00:06:23.439 --> 00:06:26.720 magazine, our next one in June July, I wrote about Aztec and the 81 00:06:26.759 --> 00:06:30.639 Aztec UFO thing, and this memo and that book are related to the Aztec 82 00:06:30.680 --> 00:06:34.199 thing, which people think maybe real now, and there's some evidence of that 83 00:06:34.199 --> 00:06:38.639 that we go over in the magazine, and the Dreamy Draw story that we 84 00:06:38.680 --> 00:06:44.759 talked about last week and is in on our website. That's all part of 85 00:06:44.800 --> 00:06:49.000 that too, So they may be real crashious but not rothwell right, And 86 00:06:49.040 --> 00:06:55.560 there are also files that talk about weather balloons. Yeah, things attached to 87 00:06:55.600 --> 00:07:00.759 balloons and yep. But this new vault that THEI put up is a cool 88 00:07:00.759 --> 00:07:04.680 way to access to search through files. You know you can. It's just 89 00:07:04.759 --> 00:07:09.160 like browsing on the web. You type in a keyword and upcome the files, 90 00:07:09.199 --> 00:07:14.800 and you can sift through those and read all sorts of blacked out things 91 00:07:14.839 --> 00:07:19.240 and have fun doing it. But it isn't interesting that they put it up. 92 00:07:19.360 --> 00:07:26.000 And it's also interesting to see how just quickly things can spire a lot 93 00:07:26.040 --> 00:07:30.920 of control with people saying, oh, proof that Roswell happened. Yeah, 94 00:07:30.959 --> 00:07:33.560 And it's unfortunate because you know, there's a lot of better step out there. 95 00:07:33.560 --> 00:07:38.319 There's a better evidence and stuff like that to out there, right, 96 00:07:39.519 --> 00:07:42.480 And you know, like you said, there's some good stuff in these files 97 00:07:42.519 --> 00:07:46.439 that people could pay attention to that is more interesting. Absolutely, I'm still 98 00:07:46.439 --> 00:07:49.519 sifting through it myself, but there's some good stuff in there. Yeah. 99 00:07:49.560 --> 00:07:55.040 In there there's like the their cattle mutilation investigation, which a lot like other 100 00:07:55.079 --> 00:07:59.199 investigations where they conclude that it was probably predators, but if you look at 101 00:07:59.240 --> 00:08:03.800 the details of the cases they investigated, that doesn't seem to be the case 102 00:08:03.800 --> 00:08:07.319 at all. Yeah. In other news, rock stars Sammy Hager continues to 103 00:08:07.319 --> 00:08:13.240 make headlines because of his extraterrestrial encounter claims. He was a guest on the 104 00:08:13.439 --> 00:08:16.439 hl En premiere of The Doctor Drew Show last Monday night, where he discussed 105 00:08:16.439 --> 00:08:20.600 his life of rock and roll, and he also discussed his extraterrestrial encounter. 106 00:08:22.560 --> 00:08:26.319 As he's previously stated, Hagar told the show's host, doctor Drew Pinsk, 107 00:08:26.040 --> 00:08:30.279 call me crazy all you want. Anyone who says there's no one in the 108 00:08:30.319 --> 00:08:35.159 whole universe, we're the only ones that's crazy. Hagar described to Pinske the 109 00:08:35.200 --> 00:08:37.919 details of his alien encounter, which occurred when he was in a dream like 110 00:08:39.000 --> 00:08:45.720 state. In this dream, extraterrestrial entities communicated telepathically with Hagar, and as 111 00:08:45.799 --> 00:08:48.919 he has described before, Hagar explained to Pinske, I think it was a 112 00:08:48.919 --> 00:08:54.720 download upload situation, like an experimental thing, like I was a guinea pig. 113 00:08:54.720 --> 00:08:58.480 So it's cool. I mean, these these stories have been told by 114 00:08:58.519 --> 00:09:03.519 Sammy hayes Are many times before, but because of the recent release of his 115 00:09:03.559 --> 00:09:11.600 book and the press circuit he's been on, these fascinating stories are getting more 116 00:09:11.600 --> 00:09:16.960 attention and by the mainstream media. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we talked 117 00:09:16.960 --> 00:09:22.440 a lot about that last week, and was that last week? I think? 118 00:09:22.519 --> 00:09:26.159 Yeah. We talked about the other movies that the stars were talking about 119 00:09:26.159 --> 00:09:30.879 their UFO sayings too, exactly. No new ones in the last week though, 120 00:09:31.440 --> 00:09:33.799 has happened about a week ago, but I'm sure more will pop up. 121 00:09:35.000 --> 00:09:41.399 YEP. Space Exploration Technology, also known as SpaceX, has already made 122 00:09:41.440 --> 00:09:46.399 history back in December when their Dragon space capsule became the first worlds the world's 123 00:09:46.399 --> 00:09:50.720 first commercial spacecraft to launch into orbit and return to Earth safely. Now stopping 124 00:09:50.720 --> 00:09:56.919 there, Last Tuesday, the company announced plans to construct the most powerful rocket 125 00:09:56.039 --> 00:10:01.639 the world has ever seen, not really, but the manned Moon missions and 126 00:10:01.840 --> 00:10:07.080 SpaceX has named the new rocket Falcon Heavy, and the rocket will reportedly be 127 00:10:07.120 --> 00:10:11.159 able to carry roughly one hundred and seventeen thousand pounds of cargo into orbit, 128 00:10:11.440 --> 00:10:15.120 and that's twice as much as the current Space Shuttle. The rocket has been 129 00:10:15.120 --> 00:10:20.320 designed to carry cargo, but because it meets NASA's current safety requirements, the 130 00:10:20.399 --> 00:10:24.399 rocket could also be used to carry humans into space. The company is aiming 131 00:10:24.440 --> 00:10:28.279 to launch Falcon Heavy in twenty thirteen from California, with follow up launches taking 132 00:10:28.279 --> 00:10:35.159 place at Cape Canaveral, Florida. And another important thing to note is that 133 00:10:35.200 --> 00:10:39.679 they're really pushing to make space more accessible, and to do that, they're 134 00:10:39.759 --> 00:10:46.559 trying to make spaceflight cheaper more affordable, and they point out that the launches 135 00:10:46.600 --> 00:10:52.440 of this rocket will cost just one hundred million dollars a year or per launch, 136 00:10:52.799 --> 00:10:56.840 And that's kind of sickening to say just one hundred million. But compared 137 00:10:56.879 --> 00:11:03.000 to Space Shuttle launches. Space Shuttle launches, those cost one point five billion 138 00:11:03.080 --> 00:11:07.000 dollars per launch. It's a lot of mula, a lot of mulah. 139 00:11:07.120 --> 00:11:11.919 Isn't it funny though, that the future looks like the past. I mean, 140 00:11:11.919 --> 00:11:13.879 we're going back to rockets. We don't have these cool shuttles anymore. 141 00:11:13.919 --> 00:11:18.120 We're going back to these outdated looking rockets. And I heard a friend of 142 00:11:18.120 --> 00:11:24.679 mine said that his friend who works for defense or for a company I think 143 00:11:24.759 --> 00:11:28.240 McDonald Douglas, I can't remember, but that they were literally digging up rockets 144 00:11:28.279 --> 00:11:33.120 a few years ago and kind of back engineering our own rockets because they didn't 145 00:11:33.120 --> 00:11:37.360 know all the ins and outs of the de manned space flights with the rockets, 146 00:11:37.440 --> 00:11:41.480 so they can continue that again. Well, right, I mean, 147 00:11:41.519 --> 00:11:43.879 this, this points it out. It's it's kind of ridiculous. But this 148 00:11:43.919 --> 00:11:48.759 is twenty eleven and these guys are going to build the most powerful rocket, 149 00:11:48.879 --> 00:11:52.399 but the most powerful rocket since the Moon missions. Yeah, and how long 150 00:11:52.440 --> 00:11:54.320 ago were those? That was quite some time ago. But this is what 151 00:11:54.440 --> 00:12:00.240 our cutting edge technology is doing right now is something that has already been done. 152 00:12:00.399 --> 00:12:05.480 So yeah, isn't it funny that I don't know? I guess when 153 00:12:05.919 --> 00:12:11.679 in science fiction when people are thinking about the future, they're never thinking about 154 00:12:11.759 --> 00:12:13.919 budget limitations. Oh no, you know that never comes up. It's you 155 00:12:13.960 --> 00:12:20.159 know, the future is the space flight is so incredible and everything because you 156 00:12:20.200 --> 00:12:24.519 know, we've got the technology and then know how. If we had unlimited 157 00:12:24.559 --> 00:12:28.240 budgets, I mean in programs like this, I think we would be already 158 00:12:28.240 --> 00:12:33.240 at Mars and have some incredible we could have the space stations of two thousand 159 00:12:33.240 --> 00:12:37.080 and one. Those movies created those things because the technology and the know how 160 00:12:37.279 --> 00:12:41.080 was something that they had ye back then. And it's all a budgetary issue. 161 00:12:41.559 --> 00:12:45.919 Well, we all need to transcend to the Star Trek world, the 162 00:12:45.960 --> 00:12:52.039 Star Trek universe, where nobody cares about money. Money has no meaning anymore, 163 00:12:52.039 --> 00:12:56.840 and people just do things for the greater good. I've always advocated that 164 00:12:56.039 --> 00:13:03.799 idea excellent Well. Doctor rug Blumberg passed away last week of a heart attack 165 00:13:03.879 --> 00:13:07.960 the age of eighty five, shortly after giving a keynote address at a workshop 166 00:13:07.039 --> 00:13:13.120 on lunar research at NASA's Ames Research Center USA Today explains that Blumberg helped NASA 167 00:13:13.159 --> 00:13:18.639 begin its search for extraterrestrial life and the study of the origins of life on 168 00:13:18.679 --> 00:13:24.000 Earth as director of NASA's Astrobiology Institute at Moffett Field from nineteen ninety nine to 169 00:13:24.039 --> 00:13:28.000 two thousand and two. According to The New York Times, the objective given 170 00:13:28.039 --> 00:13:31.919 to Blumberg and his team at the institute was to answer the following questions, 171 00:13:31.320 --> 00:13:35.440 how does life begin and evolved? Does life exist elsewhere in the universe? 172 00:13:35.840 --> 00:13:41.960 And what is life's future on Earth and beyond. Blumberg was also on the 173 00:13:41.960 --> 00:13:46.080 SETI Institute's Board of Trustees, and before his time at NASA, doctor Blumberg 174 00:13:46.159 --> 00:13:52.320 was heavily involved in researching viruses and developing vaccines, and it was this work 175 00:13:52.360 --> 00:13:56.559 that earned him the nineteen seventy six Nobel Prize in Medicine. That's awesome. 176 00:13:56.720 --> 00:14:05.080 Yeah, an accomplished dude and him go, but yeah, it's cool. 177 00:14:05.159 --> 00:14:13.240 He set up the NASA's really set up their search for extraterrestrial life as much 178 00:14:13.240 --> 00:14:20.559 as they do, but kind of cool. Also in Astronomy News, Christopher 179 00:14:20.639 --> 00:14:24.879 Taylor, an astronomy professor at California State University, Sacramento also known as Sacramento 180 00:14:24.960 --> 00:14:30.879 State, delivered a public lecture last week on the topic of extraterrestrial life. 181 00:14:30.919 --> 00:14:35.480 His lecture, searching for Life in a Big Empty Universe discussed astrobiology and how 182 00:14:35.519 --> 00:14:39.960 science is being used to search for extraterrestrial life in the universe. Doctor Taylor 183 00:14:41.000 --> 00:14:45.480 pointed out that while life is unlikely to exist in harsh environments like the surface 184 00:14:45.519 --> 00:14:50.039 of Mars, through the use of spacecraft in advanced technology, NASA is now 185 00:14:50.080 --> 00:14:54.120 searching for science of life on Mars below the surface. The topic of estratrextrial 186 00:14:54.480 --> 00:15:01.000 extraterrestrial life is becoming more common at universities across the US and What's the world. 187 00:15:01.200 --> 00:15:05.039 The search for extraterrestrial life is gaining support from mainstream scientists and major research 188 00:15:05.080 --> 00:15:11.600 institutions are taking an active role, and more universities like Sacramento State are hosting 189 00:15:11.720 --> 00:15:16.200 lectures on the subject, which helps to spark the interest among students and encourages 190 00:15:16.279 --> 00:15:20.080 the next generation of scientists to open their minds to new ideas about life and 191 00:15:20.159 --> 00:15:26.960 space. Yeah, astrobiology has definitely really taken off. And you know something 192 00:15:26.000 --> 00:15:31.320 that I makes me giggle. Not too many things make me giggle, but 193 00:15:31.600 --> 00:15:35.279 I don't think i've heard you giggle. Ever, I didn't say I giggle 194 00:15:35.320 --> 00:15:39.639 publicly. Okay, you giggle on the inside, on the inside good and 195 00:15:39.840 --> 00:15:45.840 on the Internet. That's what lol is not really, But it is the 196 00:15:45.919 --> 00:15:52.320 fact that word and spell check programs don't know the word astrobiology. They don't. 197 00:15:52.399 --> 00:15:54.720 I guess I haven't noticed that. I haven't caught up with the timeshet. 198 00:15:56.120 --> 00:16:00.320 Yeah, astrobiology is fairly new. How about you Google? Was it? 199 00:16:00.919 --> 00:16:03.799 Google knows it? Yeah, like if you wrote in your Gmail or 200 00:16:03.840 --> 00:16:07.159 something. Oh, Google's they're on the you know, boom boom boom. 201 00:16:07.200 --> 00:16:10.679 I think they're involved in astrobiology and everything. I'll say, well, they 202 00:16:10.759 --> 00:16:14.720 do. They do their their their They've got their Google Earth. They've even 203 00:16:14.720 --> 00:16:17.919 got Google Moon. Have you looked at Google Moon? Yeah, that's pretty 204 00:16:17.960 --> 00:16:21.759 cool. On the Google Maps, they had my my address wrong because it's 205 00:16:21.759 --> 00:16:25.759 a brand new house and brand new area. You know, it was dirt 206 00:16:25.840 --> 00:16:27.960 on the maps. So first when my house was I first moved in, 207 00:16:29.279 --> 00:16:30.519 and then it popped up where they had my house there and they had it 208 00:16:30.519 --> 00:16:33.799 wrong. You're a celebrity and important guy. So I called them up and 209 00:16:33.840 --> 00:16:37.840 I said, listen, no, you did not right, fix it. 210 00:16:38.039 --> 00:16:41.360 No, I won't take credit you did it, but go ahead. You 211 00:16:41.519 --> 00:16:42.679 just right click and you say, hey, you have this wrong, and 212 00:16:42.799 --> 00:16:45.279 within like a day or two, boom. That's awesome. I didn't know 213 00:16:45.279 --> 00:16:49.120 it. They are very fast. They are on the ball. Google excellent, 214 00:16:49.679 --> 00:16:53.240 big fan of Google, doing big things, those Google guys. Well. 215 00:16:53.279 --> 00:16:59.840 Two scientists have written a paper where they present the hypothesis that extraterrestrial intelligences 216 00:17:00.159 --> 00:17:04.000 engage in asteroid mining may be detectable from Earth, and these scientists suggest that 217 00:17:04.039 --> 00:17:08.359 watching for signs of asteroid mining could be a good job for SETI. These 218 00:17:08.400 --> 00:17:15.559 scientists explain if technological colonization or technological civilizations more advanced than ours exists in the 219 00:17:15.599 --> 00:17:21.559 galaxy, and asteroid mining is a common activity which underpins their existence, then 220 00:17:21.559 --> 00:17:26.839 searching for signatures of targeted asteroid mining is an appropriate activity for SETI to undertake. 221 00:17:26.640 --> 00:17:30.279 The paper that presents this hypothesis will be published in the International Journal of 222 00:17:30.319 --> 00:17:37.480 Astrobiology. That's an interesting one, looking for signs of mining. Yeah, 223 00:17:37.640 --> 00:17:41.799 I mean I think that's a stretch. It's kind of it's as silly as 224 00:17:41.799 --> 00:17:44.680 the radio signals. To me. Well, again, we pointed this out 225 00:17:44.720 --> 00:17:47.960 a lot of these scientists are looking for topics for papers, and yeah, 226 00:17:48.000 --> 00:17:51.960 I think you're right, because come on, an asteroid. I mean that 227 00:17:52.519 --> 00:17:56.279 they could build a craft that could fly as more likely than an asteroid, 228 00:17:56.319 --> 00:18:00.599 because an asteroid, the asteroids that are around us, you know, the 229 00:18:00.599 --> 00:18:04.519 ones that have come from very far away, are still pretty much in our 230 00:18:04.519 --> 00:18:08.720 solar system, and you know, it takes them a long time. They're 231 00:18:08.720 --> 00:18:11.559 not moving at close to light speed or anything. You know, they're not 232 00:18:11.720 --> 00:18:18.359 warping or doing anything that would make something move quicker than lighter like these possible 233 00:18:18.440 --> 00:18:25.599 technologies that ET's or other civilizations may have. So it sounds kind of well 234 00:18:25.680 --> 00:18:33.000 again, I think this is also projecting human behaviors and human ideals onto extraterrestrials 235 00:18:33.359 --> 00:18:38.039 number one, because we love to mine something until there's nothing left. And 236 00:18:38.559 --> 00:18:42.160 look where our priorities are. We're not going to the moon. We're going 237 00:18:42.240 --> 00:18:48.000 to an asteroid next. That's where NASA is focusing, sending us to an 238 00:18:48.039 --> 00:18:52.640 asteroid. So I guess that's what we want to do, is mine an 239 00:18:52.680 --> 00:18:56.119 asteroid. But you not me. Well, I don't want to. I'm 240 00:18:56.200 --> 00:19:02.000 using the collective weave. I want to go to Mars. I want to 241 00:19:02.079 --> 00:19:04.200 hang out with the ets man. I want to find a spaceship that's Mike 242 00:19:04.240 --> 00:19:07.519 well, well, and we should gimmy a ride that. They're already listing 243 00:19:07.599 --> 00:19:11.240 all of the problems with going to an asteroid. I don't I don't understand 244 00:19:11.799 --> 00:19:15.640 doing it in the first place. Let's focus on the moon. Let's focus 245 00:19:15.680 --> 00:19:18.519 on Mars. Didn't they see the movie? What was it we're talking about 246 00:19:18.880 --> 00:19:25.359 with Bruce Willis? Yes, what was that? Armageddon? Yeah, going 247 00:19:25.440 --> 00:19:29.519 to an asteroid does not look fun. Nope, they can go. I'll 248 00:19:29.559 --> 00:19:33.119 wait for the Rockets to the moon. Yeah, blind Me to the Moon. 249 00:19:33.559 --> 00:19:38.160 Well, and Sci Fi's Factor Fake Paranormal Files has been breaking viewership records. 250 00:19:38.559 --> 00:19:42.359 Last Wednesday, for the third consecutive week, Factor Fake set a new 251 00:19:42.440 --> 00:19:48.960 series ratings record with one point three two million total viewers. So those guys 252 00:19:48.960 --> 00:19:55.519 are are having a successful run there. And uh, congratulations to our to 253 00:19:55.599 --> 00:19:57.400 our friend Ben Hansen there. Yeah, buddy, who had we had on 254 00:19:57.440 --> 00:20:00.000 the show. I thought that was a great show too. It's very interesting, 255 00:20:00.680 --> 00:20:06.920 some great stories, and he's a really neat guy. So it's good 256 00:20:06.920 --> 00:20:08.920 to hear, yeah that their show is doing so yep, and again it 257 00:20:10.000 --> 00:20:15.799 shows that this material there, there's people are definitely interested in it. Yeah, 258 00:20:15.839 --> 00:20:18.440 people can question, you know, their their investigation and stuff like that, 259 00:20:18.519 --> 00:20:22.960 but at least they're open minded, I mean enough to where they were 260 00:20:22.960 --> 00:20:26.279 really for it by the UFOs they saw here in Arizona, right, And 261 00:20:26.359 --> 00:20:30.880 you know, I've got to give them credit because unlike some of the other 262 00:20:30.200 --> 00:20:36.559 hunting shows like ghost Hunting and things like that, shows where they hardly ever 263 00:20:36.599 --> 00:20:41.799 find anything, these guys do find things that they can't explain. And like 264 00:20:41.839 --> 00:20:45.079 with Jeff Willis when they were in Arizona, they capture their own UFO. 265 00:20:45.599 --> 00:20:48.920 Kind of cool, very cool. So good job guys at Factor Faked all 266 00:20:48.880 --> 00:20:52.480 one hund that. It's for the news. You sure to check out these 267 00:20:52.480 --> 00:20:56.319 stories and more at openminds dot tv, your source for UFO related news. 268 00:20:56.359 --> 00:21:00.240 I'm Jason McClellan, your Open Mindes news correspondent, and you've been briefed back 269 00:21:00.240 --> 00:21:04.599 to Ullehundro. All right, thank you, Jason. A couple of stories 270 00:21:06.240 --> 00:21:14.000 that we have on the web. We've got some really good things here going 271 00:21:14.039 --> 00:21:18.039 on, guys. So let's see south Park the Little Buddy. This is 272 00:21:18.119 --> 00:21:21.759 kind of fun. This was an investigation that I did in two thousand and 273 00:21:21.839 --> 00:21:26.119 seven with a friend of mine. It is in South Park, so we 274 00:21:26.240 --> 00:21:30.279 got a South Park enthusiast, and that would be my goofy buddy, Chuck 275 00:21:30.319 --> 00:21:33.599 Zukowski, who I've had on the show a few times so far, the 276 00:21:33.680 --> 00:21:41.480 guy who recently got fired as a deputy sheriff because of his paranormal investigations and 277 00:21:41.519 --> 00:21:42.680 this being one of them. I don't know if they had an issue with 278 00:21:42.799 --> 00:21:48.519 this one, but this is interesting. South Park is actually Well Park is 279 00:21:48.519 --> 00:21:52.480 a county park County in Colorado. On the southern part of it is called 280 00:21:52.559 --> 00:21:59.119 South Park in the South Park basin, and these are some rocky mountain plains, 281 00:21:59.160 --> 00:22:03.960 you know, covered by out and up there, and there's talk of 282 00:22:03.119 --> 00:22:06.680 UFOs out there. A buddy of mine told me that, hey, you 283 00:22:06.720 --> 00:22:11.440 know, there's a store that even sells T shirts and paraphernalia with this little 284 00:22:11.440 --> 00:22:15.400 buddy UFO and these aliens and UFO T shirts because they have so many sightings 285 00:22:15.400 --> 00:22:18.119 out there. And I hadn't heard of this, None of us had, 286 00:22:18.160 --> 00:22:22.920 even though we live in Colorado. Chuck lives in Colorado Springs, which was 287 00:22:22.920 --> 00:22:27.759 a little closer out there, and so we went out to investigate. We 288 00:22:27.799 --> 00:22:30.319 called up the lady at the store, we asked her if she wouldn't mind, 289 00:22:30.559 --> 00:22:34.440 very nice lady, Susy Jones, and we asked her if she could 290 00:22:34.480 --> 00:22:40.079 have some of the witnesses meet us there at the store, and they did 291 00:22:40.119 --> 00:22:44.319 so we went, we interviewed some people. We videotaped some interviews, in 292 00:22:44.319 --> 00:22:48.119 fact somewhere online. Well, I used to have it on Google. You 293 00:22:48.160 --> 00:22:51.200 know, I was talking so great about Google. But this is something that's 294 00:22:51.279 --> 00:22:53.240 kind of bad. They screwed up my video and it's not online anymore. 295 00:22:53.839 --> 00:22:59.960 But we videotaped these interviews and all of these people were seeing these UFOs. 296 00:23:00.720 --> 00:23:06.200 This is an area that is west of Colorado Springs, and Colorado Springs is 297 00:23:06.200 --> 00:23:10.599 the home of Cheyenne Mountain. They're the home of the headquarters of Space Command 298 00:23:11.000 --> 00:23:17.960 and Cheyenne Mountain is the home of NORAD and that's the North American Air Defense 299 00:23:18.599 --> 00:23:22.160 out there, and they, you know, monitor space and everything flying in 300 00:23:22.200 --> 00:23:26.960 space. And according to these people, they were seeing UFOs in that area 301 00:23:26.960 --> 00:23:32.440 and they would watch these things kind of move and dart off and very interesting 302 00:23:32.599 --> 00:23:36.759 sightings. So that night actually we did kind of a SkyWatch and tried to 303 00:23:36.839 --> 00:23:40.440 video some UFOs. Unfortunately, we didn't get any, but kind of an 304 00:23:40.440 --> 00:23:45.119 interesting story out there in south Park. And this is the area that the 305 00:23:45.160 --> 00:23:49.319 south Park cartoon is based off of, because there is actually an old town 306 00:23:49.359 --> 00:23:52.839 area of Fairplay, and Fairplay is the biggest town, which isn't that big 307 00:23:52.880 --> 00:23:56.759 of a town. It's a ski town, a mountaintown with mountain lodges and 308 00:23:56.799 --> 00:24:02.519 stuff. Real nice. In this town. They have a remake of an 309 00:24:02.559 --> 00:24:07.519 eighteen eighties town. It's incredible, really detailed of this old mountain kind of 310 00:24:07.559 --> 00:24:11.799 ghost town and they call this town south Park. And throughout fair Play they 311 00:24:11.799 --> 00:24:17.559 do have some trinket stores and stuff like that where you can't buy South Park, 312 00:24:18.720 --> 00:24:22.240 you know, cartoon trinkets and stuff like that. Because this is the 313 00:24:22.279 --> 00:24:26.680 area. It wasn't too far. It was about forty miles up the road 314 00:24:26.680 --> 00:24:30.920 towards Denver that one of the creators of the South Park cartoon lives. So 315 00:24:30.359 --> 00:24:34.480 you know, when they're out there in the mountains and in the plains of 316 00:24:34.519 --> 00:24:40.519 Colorado, that's where they're thinking of. And these are really small areas, 317 00:24:40.640 --> 00:24:45.440 so without a whole lot of people. We have another story that we posted 318 00:24:45.519 --> 00:24:49.559 last week as well late last week and that we're calling the Hill UFO, 319 00:24:49.640 --> 00:24:53.079 and this is kind of neat. A gentleman by the name of Eric contacted 320 00:24:53.200 --> 00:25:00.079 me and said his grandfather, who is a prominent figure in this town and 321 00:25:00.039 --> 00:25:04.400 Altamont in New York near Albany, had had a sighting when he was a 322 00:25:04.400 --> 00:25:10.000 policeman in nineteen seventy one. So he asked if I would call his grandfather 323 00:25:10.079 --> 00:25:14.200 and talked him into talking to me. His grandfather, obviously he is a 324 00:25:14.319 --> 00:25:17.599 very prominent figure in the town, so he doesn't really want to talk about 325 00:25:17.599 --> 00:25:19.240 it. Neither of them let me use their last name. But he told 326 00:25:19.279 --> 00:25:25.880 me about this incredible sighting of this flying saucer that went over him while he 327 00:25:26.039 --> 00:25:32.039 was really pretty much relieving himself on the side of the road going off to 328 00:25:32.079 --> 00:25:36.000 hear this lady's story about seeing a UFO and it flew over him. It 329 00:25:36.079 --> 00:25:38.559 beamed this beam of light on him. It really freaked him out, and 330 00:25:38.599 --> 00:25:41.799 they said, boss, where are you Sergeant He was a sergeant at the 331 00:25:41.839 --> 00:25:45.880 time, and he said, why, I think I just saw the UFO 332 00:25:45.960 --> 00:25:48.319 this lady's talking about. So we went to her house and she talked about 333 00:25:48.319 --> 00:25:55.039 this large disc similar to what he saw flying over this barn, and she 334 00:25:55.160 --> 00:25:57.400 was freaked out, and the dog was really freaked out, crawling on its 335 00:25:57.440 --> 00:26:03.920 belly because it was so scared and whining. So a very interesting story. 336 00:26:03.920 --> 00:26:11.200 And I put some more details into everything that Neil told me, and like 337 00:26:11.240 --> 00:26:12.960 I said, I couldn't use their last names, and he didn't want me 338 00:26:14.039 --> 00:26:19.079 to use his exact position either. And then tonight we're going to be putting 339 00:26:19.119 --> 00:26:23.240 up some more information and tomorrow on the FBI UFO file, so I'm gonna 340 00:26:23.240 --> 00:26:29.599 put more details about the Hoddle document. And then Antonio has written a whole 341 00:26:29.680 --> 00:26:34.319 long piece about all of the documents that FBI has put online or put out 342 00:26:34.359 --> 00:26:40.839 there before, and the history about how Bruce mckaby back in nineteen seventy seven 343 00:26:41.319 --> 00:26:45.920 retrieved most of these documents through Freedom of Information Act requests. And if you're 344 00:26:45.920 --> 00:26:49.880 not familiar, Bruce mcaby was an optical physicist or is he's retired now and 345 00:26:49.960 --> 00:26:53.160 a ufologist and he worked for the Navy for a period of time. So 346 00:26:53.680 --> 00:27:00.200 really neat guy, great researcher, and some very very interesting seeing material. 347 00:27:03.039 --> 00:27:07.279 So you'll have to check out our website Openminds dot tv. However, I 348 00:27:07.319 --> 00:27:11.880 want to get into our very exciting interview with our Norwegian friends from New Paradigm 349 00:27:11.960 --> 00:27:19.000 Film, Trulls and Terry Toftens and some great guys. So let's hear what 350 00:27:19.039 --> 00:27:25.079 those guys have to say. I am here very excited to be speaking to 351 00:27:26.680 --> 00:27:34.000 Terry and Troll Toftens from New Paradigm Films. They did the recent documentary The 352 00:27:34.079 --> 00:27:41.720 Day Before Disclosure, which won the People's Choice Award for the EBS at the 353 00:27:41.839 --> 00:27:45.559 UFO Congress this year, so that was very exciting, a lot of fun 354 00:27:45.039 --> 00:27:49.960 to have these guys here all the way from Norway. Welcome guys. Oh 355 00:27:51.000 --> 00:27:56.400 hi, so how are you, Andrew? I'm doing pretty good. We've 356 00:27:56.440 --> 00:28:00.480 got some wonderful weather out Here's what's weather in Norway like this time of year. 357 00:28:00.359 --> 00:28:07.839 Well, actually, the snow has started melting now, so we're having 358 00:28:07.519 --> 00:28:11.920 you know, quite nice weather just now. So we're looking forward to some 359 00:28:11.200 --> 00:28:15.480 more kind of spring weather at the moment. But we've had a pretty tough 360 00:28:15.519 --> 00:28:22.160 winter. It's been freezing all the way since November actually, mh So yeah, 361 00:28:22.440 --> 00:28:27.960 you're finally thiwing up. Huh. Yeah. And you know, we 362 00:28:29.039 --> 00:28:34.440 had such a good time over in Phoenix just some weeks ago, and we 363 00:28:34.480 --> 00:28:41.279 brought back this big award that was absolutely fantastic, and everyone here is just 364 00:28:42.440 --> 00:28:48.319 you know, they could almost believe what had happened when we got back, 365 00:28:48.400 --> 00:28:52.799 and you know, Troll was actually a bit worried about getting that big award 366 00:28:52.880 --> 00:29:00.119 statue through the customs and yeah, yeah, well but you know, the 367 00:29:00.160 --> 00:29:06.119 guys in customs had a pretty strange look at us, but it went we 368 00:29:06.160 --> 00:29:10.359 went through and I was okay, so okay. They didn't compensate it or 369 00:29:10.599 --> 00:29:15.400 think it was something well well you know the question where well, where have 370 00:29:15.519 --> 00:29:19.720 you guys been? You know, But yeah, but it's it's always a 371 00:29:19.720 --> 00:29:23.200 good story to bring up at school. Yeah. Well, as far as 372 00:29:23.240 --> 00:29:27.559 I know, you're the only ones from Norway that came to the conference. 373 00:29:29.920 --> 00:29:33.160 Yeah, well that's probably right. I didn't see any other Norwegians there, 374 00:29:33.240 --> 00:29:37.640 but yeah, I know there have been some Norwegians there before. But you 375 00:29:37.720 --> 00:29:41.440 know, well it's a long way to go. But still this is I 376 00:29:41.480 --> 00:29:48.960 think the absolute top conference on this issue in the world. And I must 377 00:29:48.759 --> 00:29:55.200 repeat what I've said many times before that the way that Open Minds handle this 378 00:29:55.319 --> 00:30:00.240 conference was absolutely top professional. Everything worked, all the bookings worked, the 379 00:30:00.279 --> 00:30:06.160 audio was good, the visuals were good, all the microphones worked. Everybody 380 00:30:06.279 --> 00:30:10.279 was happy and thanks to you, it was a really really great week for 381 00:30:10.400 --> 00:30:11.960 all of us. Yeah, well, thank you. A lot of that 382 00:30:12.160 --> 00:30:18.079 is luck but luckily the microphones and everything worked. So and this is not 383 00:30:18.279 --> 00:30:25.039 your first EB award, is that correct? Well, actually we also won 384 00:30:25.079 --> 00:30:30.039 the People's Award back in two thousand and six for a film we made on 385 00:30:30.319 --> 00:30:34.519 the crop circle phenomenon. It's called you know what's it called again, it's 386 00:30:34.559 --> 00:30:41.319 called Crossovers from Another Dimension, And it was a film on crop circles that 387 00:30:41.400 --> 00:30:45.240 we had been working on for three years and in two thousand and six we 388 00:30:45.319 --> 00:30:51.000 had it on the International UFO Conference, the film festival there and it won 389 00:30:51.119 --> 00:30:56.680 both the category which was in and also the People's Reward. So that was 390 00:30:56.720 --> 00:31:03.039 also absolutely great. To to kind of repeat that again with our news film 391 00:31:03.200 --> 00:31:07.799 was absolutely unbelievable. I mean, we're still up in the in disguise, 392 00:31:07.880 --> 00:31:12.119 you know great, Well, that's great. It's a great film, and 393 00:31:12.400 --> 00:31:21.680 I think it's absolutely amazing and wonderful that you guys were able to provide that 394 00:31:21.759 --> 00:31:25.119 film or make that film available for free for people. I think that just 395 00:31:25.279 --> 00:31:30.440 is a testament to how serious you guys are about getting the word out. 396 00:31:32.000 --> 00:31:37.799 Yeah. Well, we our main goal from the from the very beginning, 397 00:31:38.000 --> 00:31:42.200 was too to get the information out we had, Like Harry said, we 398 00:31:42.200 --> 00:31:48.440 had been working for several years with with the crop circle phenomenon and and also 399 00:31:48.519 --> 00:31:56.079 with a film on a very peculiar like phenomenon in Norway called Hestalin and uh 400 00:31:56.400 --> 00:32:00.960 so we uh, you know, after being into these things for several years, 401 00:32:01.079 --> 00:32:07.720 we felt that we really felt that it was a huge importance to get 402 00:32:07.759 --> 00:32:14.039 it out to people because there are you know, there are tons of information, 403 00:32:14.200 --> 00:32:17.960 but it's very very difficult for people to to navigate, you know, 404 00:32:19.079 --> 00:32:23.319 and there are a bunch of bogus and so out there. So you know, 405 00:32:23.640 --> 00:32:28.160 if we could get to well, we had been talking to a lot 406 00:32:28.200 --> 00:32:32.440 of credible people over the years, so when this thing came together, we 407 00:32:32.680 --> 00:32:37.920 figured that it would be nice to to show people what the real story is. 408 00:32:38.759 --> 00:32:44.279 Yeah. I want to get into more on each of your three films 409 00:32:44.319 --> 00:32:47.240 in this arena that you've done. But to begin with, I mean, 410 00:32:47.839 --> 00:32:53.880 your films are very well produced and they look great, very professionally done, 411 00:32:54.160 --> 00:33:00.279 which it makes them, you know, even more incredible, but really this 412 00:33:00.319 --> 00:33:02.960 is not your focus as far as production goes. Zach crect. This is 413 00:33:04.039 --> 00:33:07.720 kind of your one of your side things to actually do more conventional type of 414 00:33:07.759 --> 00:33:15.359 work. Well, I myself have been working for twenty five years as a 415 00:33:15.359 --> 00:33:22.200 professional filmmaker, but mostly for doing corporate films. I have my background from 416 00:33:22.359 --> 00:33:30.160 the Norwegian Broadcasting Cooperation and twenty five years ago I started doing things on my 417 00:33:30.279 --> 00:33:35.519 own for the Norwegian corporations for the especially for the oil industry in Norway which 418 00:33:35.599 --> 00:33:38.680 is very big, and also the shipping industry, and so I have been 419 00:33:38.720 --> 00:33:45.680 concentrating on promotional films and educational films for the last twenty five years. But 420 00:33:46.200 --> 00:33:57.079 this urged to do films on topics that really have engaged me. And also 421 00:33:57.240 --> 00:34:01.480 Troll over the past years has been there all the time, and we were 422 00:34:01.519 --> 00:34:08.480 just waiting for an opportunity to start kind of an alternative type of business or 423 00:34:08.679 --> 00:34:15.679 well not business, but more kind of activity to try to use the skills 424 00:34:15.679 --> 00:34:21.719 that we had gained over the years by doing educational films and promotional films to 425 00:34:22.119 --> 00:34:30.719 do films that could promote and educate people on these issues because we felt that, 426 00:34:32.000 --> 00:34:37.039 you know, there was actually a need to get more information out and 427 00:34:38.039 --> 00:34:42.079 of course there are a lot of films on these topics, and with all 428 00:34:42.239 --> 00:34:45.280 respect, many of them are very good, but we wanted to try to 429 00:34:45.320 --> 00:34:51.440 make it our way and to interview people that we felt had the best stories 430 00:34:51.480 --> 00:34:57.280 and were the most credible people. So we spent three or almost four years 431 00:34:57.280 --> 00:35:02.079 traveling around on conferences, visiting people in their homes, both here in Europe 432 00:35:02.079 --> 00:35:07.039 and also a lot of people in the US, and I think we did 433 00:35:07.159 --> 00:35:13.880 something like almost fifty or sixty interviews in total, and about forty of them 434 00:35:14.039 --> 00:35:19.039 appear in the film, So it's it was an enormous amount of work, 435 00:35:19.159 --> 00:35:22.400 a lot of time, and of course a lot of expenses, which we 436 00:35:22.480 --> 00:35:28.880 covered mostly ourselves. We had also one of our corporate clients who was very 437 00:35:28.880 --> 00:35:34.039 interested in these topics. He helped us a bit with financing some of our 438 00:35:34.480 --> 00:35:39.239 travels, but mostly it's financed by ourselves and the money that we could make 439 00:35:39.280 --> 00:35:45.360 on the more kind of main stuff work that we do. Now. Were 440 00:35:45.400 --> 00:35:53.000 you hesitant to start to get into kind of these produce these paranormal pieces because 441 00:35:53.039 --> 00:35:58.679 you work with these corporations. Were you worried that they would kind of look 442 00:35:58.760 --> 00:36:04.079 badly on us and you might lose business. Well, you've got a point 443 00:36:04.119 --> 00:36:10.199 there, of course, that's why we have we have actually created a separate 444 00:36:10.199 --> 00:36:19.079 company for our paranormal films called New Paradigm Films New Paradigm Films, and the 445 00:36:19.159 --> 00:36:25.559 company that we where we do our corporate stuff is called Toughtness Multivision Multivision because 446 00:36:25.599 --> 00:36:30.440 we back in the eighties also worked with multi image systems, you know, 447 00:36:30.440 --> 00:36:35.039 a lot of slide projections and all that stuff. So we actually have two 448 00:36:35.119 --> 00:36:40.599 different companies and we didn't want to kind of mix the the well, you 449 00:36:40.639 --> 00:36:45.400 know, the image, so to speak. But the funny thing is that 450 00:36:45.800 --> 00:36:51.280 after we have released these films, and especially after we won these awards, 451 00:36:51.800 --> 00:36:55.960 our corporate customers have you know, turned pretty proud of working with us. 452 00:36:57.000 --> 00:37:02.920 So it has actually helped us also in the corporate world to get acknowledged by 453 00:37:02.960 --> 00:37:09.199 what we have achieved on these more type of paranormal films. So it's been 454 00:37:09.239 --> 00:37:14.639 a win win situation. Actually, that's great. Have you turned on some 455 00:37:14.679 --> 00:37:19.840 of these clients to this subject. Have some of them who were maybe more 456 00:37:19.880 --> 00:37:23.840 skeptic kind of open their minds a bit? Oh? Yes. Indeed, 457 00:37:24.760 --> 00:37:30.800 of course, the crop circle phenomenon is actually well, it's more easy to 458 00:37:30.840 --> 00:37:34.840 get people interested in it because it's so visual. You know, crop circles 459 00:37:34.880 --> 00:37:37.239 are there, you can visit them, you can do research on them. 460 00:37:37.360 --> 00:37:42.320 They are pretty, they are attractive, they are you know, it's a 461 00:37:42.400 --> 00:37:45.719 nice trip to go and watch them. The UFO phenomenon, of course, 462 00:37:45.840 --> 00:37:52.239 is much more difficult because there are very few good pictures of it, very 463 00:37:52.440 --> 00:37:55.079 little film of it. I know there is a lot of film of it, 464 00:37:55.119 --> 00:38:00.719 but that's in some very secret archives. The stuff that is out there 465 00:38:01.559 --> 00:38:07.800 for people to watch is not very good, and it's not easy to study 466 00:38:07.920 --> 00:38:13.119 the phenomenon because it's there for three seconds and then it's gone again. And 467 00:38:13.280 --> 00:38:15.199 if you want to study it properly, you have to have a lot of 468 00:38:15.519 --> 00:38:23.880 equipment like radar, low frequency radio and all and at very advanced photography equipment, 469 00:38:24.440 --> 00:38:30.559 which the military, of course are very privileged to have, but you 470 00:38:30.599 --> 00:38:35.599 know, among normal people don't have that kind of stuff. So it's hard 471 00:38:35.599 --> 00:38:39.079 to study. And that's why it's also hard to convey the message, because 472 00:38:39.480 --> 00:38:45.840 you have to actually tell stories about what people have seen and get people to 473 00:38:45.960 --> 00:38:50.000 tell their own stories, and that's the most convincing. That's the closest you 474 00:38:50.039 --> 00:38:53.440 can get to, you know, to convince people is to have people tell 475 00:38:53.480 --> 00:39:00.760 what they have experienced themselves. So it's a bit harder to convince people about 476 00:39:00.760 --> 00:39:07.760 the UFO situation because all the information is is not very accessible. Right. 477 00:39:07.679 --> 00:39:13.079 How about Norway and general? How are people Are they more skeptical you think 478 00:39:13.119 --> 00:39:20.840 than people here in the US? Are people in other countries? Well, 479 00:39:21.320 --> 00:39:28.039 the Norwegian people are actually quite open to, you know, these type of 480 00:39:28.960 --> 00:39:32.840 subjects, because I don't know, it seems to be a kind of a 481 00:39:32.880 --> 00:39:38.320 new trend. That's like twenty years back when I was also very interested in 482 00:39:38.440 --> 00:39:43.880 UFOs. You know, all my friends laughed at me and I didn't really 483 00:39:44.119 --> 00:39:46.679 like to mention it to my colleagues at work and all that. But now 484 00:39:46.760 --> 00:39:51.559 it seems to be, you know, people are more interested. And I 485 00:39:51.599 --> 00:39:57.920 think it's it's it's because it has been exposed very much on TV. I 486 00:39:58.000 --> 00:40:02.159 mean, Steven Spielberg, he has done a fabulous job in getting people interested 487 00:40:02.199 --> 00:40:07.239 in these topics, even though his films are science fiction and all that. 488 00:40:07.760 --> 00:40:13.159 And of course films like Avatar and other types of films who are dealing with 489 00:40:13.199 --> 00:40:19.360 these subjects actually engaged people. And when you come up with a documentary about 490 00:40:19.400 --> 00:40:22.239 the real stuff, they are more open to that. Than they were like 491 00:40:22.559 --> 00:40:29.039 twenty thirty years back. So things have changed and I've got the feeling that 492 00:40:29.119 --> 00:40:34.239 the same thing has happened in the US. How did you feel about your 493 00:40:34.320 --> 00:40:37.239 dad being into this step did were you embarrassed at all at any point? 494 00:40:38.760 --> 00:40:46.440 Well, you know, I've heard stories all my life about this stuff and 495 00:40:46.679 --> 00:40:52.239 these things, and so for me it has been a field of interest. 496 00:40:52.320 --> 00:40:59.480 You know. Of course I've had friends who have you know, smile at 497 00:40:59.519 --> 00:41:06.960 the whole thing. But as I myself got more into it, well especially 498 00:41:06.960 --> 00:41:10.400 you know, the in the last ten years, I've gotten more involved in 499 00:41:10.559 --> 00:41:21.239 myself. I've been it's been uh well, way more easy to to explain 500 00:41:21.280 --> 00:41:25.480 to people and uh two to tell them you know why my father has been 501 00:41:25.480 --> 00:41:32.800 interested in this all these years. So and uh well yeah, ten years 502 00:41:32.840 --> 00:41:38.639 ago my all my friends were skeptical. But uh but uh as I have 503 00:41:38.960 --> 00:41:45.519 you know, done research together with my father and and talk to people and 504 00:41:45.880 --> 00:41:53.000 brought you know, into his hope back home. Most well, most of 505 00:41:53.280 --> 00:41:59.880 my friends and the people I'm surrounded with are pretty well getting pretty much convinced. 506 00:42:00.320 --> 00:42:04.800 Mm hmm. Were utral? What was it? Maybe the most convincing 507 00:42:04.880 --> 00:42:09.119 thing when it came to UFOs. What really opened your eyes are really early 508 00:42:09.239 --> 00:42:14.440 on maybe is something that left an impression to you that made you feel like, 509 00:42:14.519 --> 00:42:20.880 wow, this phenomena really is a real thing. Well, as I 510 00:42:21.039 --> 00:42:22.320 said, you know, i'd heard stories and I was, you know, 511 00:42:22.440 --> 00:42:29.760 pretty familiar with the whole concept of there being there being you know, life 512 00:42:30.199 --> 00:42:37.480 out outside of well out there in the universe. But for me, the 513 00:42:37.760 --> 00:42:43.079 on a personal level, it was our first trip to to Great Britain and 514 00:42:43.440 --> 00:42:47.760 to wheelchair whether you know, the the masses of the Cross circles are so 515 00:42:49.880 --> 00:42:52.119 back in two thousand and three, and we we went there to mainly we 516 00:42:52.199 --> 00:42:55.960 had we'd heard about it and we went there, went there just to primarily 517 00:42:57.119 --> 00:43:01.400 check it out. But you know, the first our first night inside of 518 00:43:01.440 --> 00:43:08.119 crop circle, uh, you know, really changed a lot of things because 519 00:43:08.679 --> 00:43:17.519 suddenly this this whole paranormal realm was suddenly something real, you know, and 520 00:43:17.960 --> 00:43:22.000 I felt, you know, and later we we've come to understand that you 521 00:43:22.079 --> 00:43:27.360 know, there are there are probably a lot of cropp circles that are made 522 00:43:27.440 --> 00:43:35.960 by by people, but still there is so much evidence and so on, 523 00:43:36.599 --> 00:43:40.480 you know, the phenomenon being real. So for me, standing inside the 524 00:43:40.480 --> 00:43:46.559 crop circle for the first time was really a kind of physical evidence that well, 525 00:43:47.119 --> 00:43:51.960 science and the establishment hasn't got all the answers, you know, because 526 00:43:52.079 --> 00:43:58.480 if I if I showed this to to any you know, to any scientists, 527 00:43:58.559 --> 00:44:04.400 they would they would simply laugh and shove it away. But right there 528 00:44:04.480 --> 00:44:09.199 and then I experienced something that was kind of outside the box. So for 529 00:44:09.360 --> 00:44:13.679 me, the whole the whole thing kind of kickstarted with the crop circles. 530 00:44:13.719 --> 00:44:19.840 And then you know, we've you know, talking to people who have had 531 00:44:20.239 --> 00:44:24.000 experiences, talking to people that have a claim to have been you know, 532 00:44:24.119 --> 00:44:31.039 abducted and uh and explaining and uh in detail you know, what has happened 533 00:44:31.079 --> 00:44:35.800 to them leaves a huge impression. One thing is to see it, you 534 00:44:35.880 --> 00:44:42.800 know on TV on well or through a documentary, but to talk to people 535 00:44:43.599 --> 00:44:50.679 one on one is is uh, you know, it's a deep experience, 536 00:44:50.719 --> 00:44:53.440 it's a special experience. So it started with the crop circles, and then 537 00:44:53.480 --> 00:44:59.800 you know it's been uh, it's been downhill from there. What about you, 538 00:45:00.280 --> 00:45:04.360 I mean, way back when, what got you really into this subject? 539 00:45:06.239 --> 00:45:14.119 Well, paranormal Back in the early sixties, I found in my father's 540 00:45:14.159 --> 00:45:17.920 bookshelf a book called The Flying Sauces are real, and I think the author 541 00:45:19.280 --> 00:45:24.000 was Georgia Damski and I was like twelve years old, and from that moment, 542 00:45:25.079 --> 00:45:30.880 I was hooked, you know. I thought that book was so extremely 543 00:45:30.960 --> 00:45:36.239 exciting that I decided there and then that I wanted to investigate myself to find 544 00:45:36.280 --> 00:45:40.559 out what this was all about. And all over the years I've been following 545 00:45:42.800 --> 00:45:46.320 the phenomenon. I've been reading a lot of books, I've been to some 546 00:45:46.480 --> 00:45:53.800 conferences here and there, and some years back I decided that I would try 547 00:45:54.639 --> 00:46:04.880 to make a documentary about the whole situation. But the thing that really kicked, 548 00:46:05.519 --> 00:46:07.480 you know, really kicked in for me was when I went to this 549 00:46:08.599 --> 00:46:16.960 small valley in hestalen Up in North Norway. It's a very remote valley where 550 00:46:16.960 --> 00:46:22.320 there have been a lot of UFO observations over the past twenty five years, 551 00:46:23.199 --> 00:46:32.239 and I went there to do a documentary on that particular topic. And while 552 00:46:32.320 --> 00:46:37.039 I was there, I saw this phenomenon myself. And when you see things 553 00:46:37.079 --> 00:46:45.679 yourself, I mean seeing is believing. And after that moment, I was 554 00:46:45.840 --> 00:46:52.920 absolutely confident that there is a situation here that is much much larger than anyone 555 00:46:52.079 --> 00:46:59.320 can imagine. And I think it was time to open up and try to 556 00:46:59.519 --> 00:47:04.320 get more transparency into this whole situation. And you know, that's what really 557 00:47:04.639 --> 00:47:10.199 has been the drive or the propeller or what you call it in English behind 558 00:47:10.840 --> 00:47:16.719 all this work that we have done, because we feel that, I mean, 559 00:47:17.400 --> 00:47:23.800 humans are grown up now and we are actually mature enough to face the 560 00:47:23.920 --> 00:47:30.039 truth what is going on on our planet and what is going on around our 561 00:47:30.119 --> 00:47:37.559 planet. And I think that transparency must really be one of the things that 562 00:47:37.719 --> 00:47:43.599 we all should fight for. Okay, now we have had this Internet revolution 563 00:47:44.199 --> 00:47:51.760 which has made it possible to convey information and to pick up information about almost 564 00:47:51.880 --> 00:47:57.119 everything. Just look how the Arab world now is having this big year revolt 565 00:47:57.639 --> 00:48:00.679 that was started because of the Internet. And look what Blik E leagues have 566 00:48:00.840 --> 00:48:07.599 started in making things transparent. And now I think it's time that this subject 567 00:48:07.800 --> 00:48:15.159 too, should should have this type of transparency, because I mean, it's 568 00:48:15.400 --> 00:48:22.119 absolutely silly that someone in government or in some kind of governmental or military organization 569 00:48:22.599 --> 00:48:27.840 should have the right to decide what the rest of the people on this planet 570 00:48:27.880 --> 00:48:30.239 should know about and not know about. I mean, who gave them the 571 00:48:30.320 --> 00:48:36.199 right to do that. I think transparency is the only way that we can 572 00:48:36.400 --> 00:48:43.719 solve our planetary problems, in political problems, our environmental problems, and I 573 00:48:43.880 --> 00:48:51.639 really think that everyone should tell their politicians and tell their military people that now 574 00:48:51.719 --> 00:48:53.880 we have to open up. Now we are mature enough to know what's going 575 00:48:53.960 --> 00:49:00.679 on, and we have to stop this campaign of this in for and this 576 00:49:00.920 --> 00:49:04.719 truth embargo and all that silly stuff that has been going on for too long. 577 00:49:05.440 --> 00:49:09.920 Right. I wanted to ask about getting to kind of the films that 578 00:49:10.000 --> 00:49:14.719 you did. The first film it looks like, was your crop circle film, 579 00:49:15.280 --> 00:49:22.440 and what inspired you to tackle crap circles first? Well, it started 580 00:49:22.480 --> 00:49:31.119 actually with I visited an exhibition here in Norway where there was a booth with 581 00:49:31.239 --> 00:49:37.360 a lady who had some very strange pictures, and I felt those pictures looked 582 00:49:37.480 --> 00:49:43.760 absolutely great. It looks like someone had been doing great artwork in the landscape. 583 00:49:44.599 --> 00:49:51.159 And I asked her who is the artist who has made these fantastic kind 584 00:49:51.239 --> 00:49:55.239 of geometrical sculptures in the landscape and she said, well, to be honest 585 00:49:55.320 --> 00:50:00.039 with you, I really don't know. And so I she told me about 586 00:50:00.079 --> 00:50:07.639 this phenomenon which was very apparent, especially in Britain in southern England, and 587 00:50:07.920 --> 00:50:14.519 it really triggered my curiosity. So I brought some pictures showed them to my 588 00:50:14.679 --> 00:50:20.440 son, Drills and Troll, and then we decided there and then to go 589 00:50:20.639 --> 00:50:25.039 and look it up ourselves. So we a couple of months later we actually 590 00:50:25.239 --> 00:50:36.199 entered the first crop circle and that being there and seeing this on face to 591 00:50:36.239 --> 00:50:39.079 face, so to say, we then decided that we wanted to try to 592 00:50:39.119 --> 00:50:44.119 make a film about it because obviously not very many people, at least in 593 00:50:44.199 --> 00:50:47.719 Norway knew about this phenomenon at all, and we wanted to make a TV 594 00:50:47.880 --> 00:50:52.440 documentary. So we did and we had it on TV. It was aired 595 00:50:52.519 --> 00:50:58.760 here and in Norway four times and it created a lot of interest and after 596 00:50:58.880 --> 00:51:04.920 that, armous amounts of Norwegians have been over to England to watch this phenomenon. 597 00:51:05.679 --> 00:51:12.159 So that was it was absolutely fantastic. And you know, like Tarll 598 00:51:12.239 --> 00:51:15.480 said, here, when you enter a crop circle for the first time and 599 00:51:17.519 --> 00:51:24.079 there are big or great reasons to believe that something from maybe another world or 600 00:51:24.159 --> 00:51:30.400 another realm or another dimension has been here just hours before creating this, you 601 00:51:30.519 --> 00:51:36.119 know, that's an experience that really really triggered something inside you. Mm hmm. 602 00:51:37.880 --> 00:51:40.920 Yeah, that's a I haven't been to the crops. A crop circle 603 00:51:42.000 --> 00:51:45.800 yet in England are very big one. I'm really excited to do that one 604 00:51:45.920 --> 00:51:52.480 day. And that everybody describes how it's an incredible experience. Yeah it is. 605 00:51:52.960 --> 00:51:59.519 It's you know, you get you get goosebumps all over, you can 606 00:51:59.599 --> 00:52:07.639 feel the energies many times, and well it's it's an enormous Yeah, it's 607 00:52:07.800 --> 00:52:13.320 it's a great experience in so many ways. And one of the other things 608 00:52:13.400 --> 00:52:19.159 that is very very interesting with the crop circles or fascinating is that it attracts 609 00:52:19.239 --> 00:52:22.320 people from all over the world. So going into a crop circle you meet 610 00:52:22.400 --> 00:52:28.440 so many other people. Everybody starts discussing how it could have been made, 611 00:52:28.800 --> 00:52:34.880 I mean, discussing bigger questions, and it's like entering in a big outdoor 612 00:52:35.039 --> 00:52:38.320 philosophy seminar, you know, with people from all over the globe, and 613 00:52:38.400 --> 00:52:42.639 it's fantastic and you make new friends. You go to the English pubs, 614 00:52:42.639 --> 00:52:45.679 which are you know, all around the place, having a bear in the 615 00:52:45.760 --> 00:52:50.199 evening and discussing and it's I mean, it's it's a fabulous way to spend 616 00:52:50.920 --> 00:52:55.599 a week or two of your holiday. I really recommend it. Now you 617 00:52:57.119 --> 00:53:01.440 interview with a lot of people you have, you know, Charles Mallet, 618 00:53:01.599 --> 00:53:05.480 is that how you said? Or Mallet, Charles Malatis, yeah, at, 619 00:53:05.599 --> 00:53:10.719 Lucy Pringle, Michael Glickman, Nancy Talmot, Miles Johnston, Paul de 620 00:53:10.840 --> 00:53:15.239 Gay, you know a lot of people that you interviewed for this documentary. 621 00:53:15.599 --> 00:53:22.480 What were some of the insights that you learned or some of the the highlights 622 00:53:22.039 --> 00:53:31.679 that for you during these interviews and research. Well, you know, there 623 00:53:31.719 --> 00:53:37.880 actually are two sides to this, uh, this phenomenon. One is the 624 00:53:37.599 --> 00:53:45.039 the kind of the physical side, uh, which you can invest using typical 625 00:53:45.320 --> 00:53:52.559 scientific investigation methods like how is the crop laid down? You can measure uh, 626 00:53:52.400 --> 00:53:59.039 the magnetic fields, you can measure how or see how the stalks are 627 00:53:59.119 --> 00:54:05.079 bent, the blown notes, the the you know a lot of kind of 628 00:54:05.119 --> 00:54:10.679 physical stuff that you can investigate, and from that type of investigation you can 629 00:54:12.280 --> 00:54:16.960 kind of get an idea of how this actually has been made. And in 630 00:54:17.079 --> 00:54:21.760 many, very many cases, the conclusion is quite clear that it would be 631 00:54:21.840 --> 00:54:29.440 absolutely impossible for people to do this kind of work in a very short time 632 00:54:29.559 --> 00:54:34.199 frame in the dark without any lights. And you know, in the crop 633 00:54:34.280 --> 00:54:37.480 fields in England, in this particular area where there are many of them. 634 00:54:37.519 --> 00:54:43.360 There are people sitting with night goggles on every single hilltop during night to see 635 00:54:43.360 --> 00:54:46.679 if they can catch anything or see anything. So if you were to make 636 00:54:47.000 --> 00:54:53.800 or to do this, you know with handcrafts you had to use and I 637 00:54:53.880 --> 00:54:59.920 mean it's pitch dark, you can't see a thing. And if you're trying 638 00:55:00.159 --> 00:55:07.440 to make a very very complicated geometric design without leaving any footprint or without doing 639 00:55:07.559 --> 00:55:14.400 any error, I mean, it's it's incredible to see how that actually can 640 00:55:14.519 --> 00:55:19.360 be done with people watching you with night goggles, you know. So it's 641 00:55:20.239 --> 00:55:25.239 that's the physical side of it which can be investigated and which is very interesting, 642 00:55:25.320 --> 00:55:30.159 and there are a lot of very clever people who do these types of 643 00:55:30.719 --> 00:55:37.800 investigations. Nancy Talbot has been doing a lot of it with doctor Levingood, 644 00:55:37.840 --> 00:55:45.199 have been taking analysis of soil samples, analyzes of the crop itself, and 645 00:55:45.800 --> 00:55:51.559 the results that they have come forward with are actually quite mind blowing. And 646 00:55:51.679 --> 00:55:58.159 then you have this other more kind of semi or physical side, or you 647 00:55:58.239 --> 00:56:06.719 know, the things that that kind of are more appeals to your feelings and 648 00:56:06.880 --> 00:56:15.280 your intuition, and people have strange, very strange types of experiences when they 649 00:56:15.519 --> 00:56:21.159 enter crop circles. To some people, they actually get sick, and other 650 00:56:21.239 --> 00:56:29.880 people have these most wonderful revelations of you know, kind of well godlike things 651 00:56:29.920 --> 00:56:35.039 that they experience. Many people do meditations and they feel that entering a crop 652 00:56:35.119 --> 00:56:40.039 circle is just like entering in holy ground or church or whatever. So it 653 00:56:40.280 --> 00:56:45.599 has so many different sights to it that are very, very fascinating. So 654 00:56:45.000 --> 00:56:51.320 as I said, I really can recommend visiting the crop circles. It's absolutely 655 00:56:51.360 --> 00:57:00.119 fabulous. Now your second film was at has the Lend, and that is 656 00:57:00.480 --> 00:57:05.159 really interesting to me because, as you talk about in this film, it's 657 00:57:05.199 --> 00:57:09.559 an ongoing type of thing and people can kind of go out there like you 658 00:57:10.360 --> 00:57:14.519 and witness phenomena. What is it that you sun? What is it that 659 00:57:14.639 --> 00:57:22.320 people see? Well, hestlin is well to put it this way. In 660 00:57:22.480 --> 00:57:28.920 nineteen eighty three, j Allen Heinek, which everyone in the UFO fields knows 661 00:57:28.960 --> 00:57:32.679 about. He was, you know, the official investigator for I think the 662 00:57:32.840 --> 00:57:37.519 US government on these topics for a very long time. He was there to 663 00:57:37.719 --> 00:57:43.800 look at this phenomenon and he said that he made a statement afterwards, he 664 00:57:43.840 --> 00:57:51.360 said that Hestalen is actually the world's very only UFO laboratory. Because here you 665 00:57:51.400 --> 00:57:55.280 can study the phenomenon because it appears almost all the time. Now, back 666 00:57:55.320 --> 00:58:00.239 in nineteen eighty one, things started happening in Hestalin. This is a very 667 00:58:00.280 --> 00:58:07.679 small valley, only populated with about one hundred and fifty people, and there 668 00:58:07.719 --> 00:58:13.800 are a few farms. It's quite high up in the mountains, so well, 669 00:58:13.840 --> 00:58:19.960 it's very very remote. And things started happening. Big lights, and 670 00:58:20.159 --> 00:58:23.480 when I say big lights, I mean lights as big as a barn or 671 00:58:23.559 --> 00:58:29.079 big house suddenly appeared in the midst of the valley under the tree tops, 672 00:58:29.440 --> 00:58:36.400 staying there still for almost an hour, and sometimes traveling up the valley early 673 00:58:36.519 --> 00:58:40.679 in the evening, coming down two hours later. For a long period. 674 00:58:42.119 --> 00:58:47.280 The lights were so regular that you could almost gesture watch by it. And 675 00:58:47.760 --> 00:58:53.039 some of these lights just disappeared into a lake which was far up in this 676 00:58:53.239 --> 00:59:00.679 valley, and people living there started reporting these things. They didn't know what 677 00:59:00.800 --> 00:59:07.199 it was. And sometimes they also saw objects like big kind of brownish or 678 00:59:08.440 --> 00:59:15.599 silverish, big objects like forty meters long, that's almost one hundred feet long. 679 00:59:15.440 --> 00:59:20.559 And they started reporting this, and of course people laughed at them. 680 00:59:20.599 --> 00:59:22.280 They were ridiculed. They said, Okay, you're living up in the small 681 00:59:22.320 --> 00:59:27.079 mountain valley, you drink, a home, a lot of homemade stuff and 682 00:59:27.239 --> 00:59:31.239 whatever it is you do. But after a while the media got attracted, 683 00:59:31.400 --> 00:59:37.559 and also the military were attracted by this, and also the Norwegian Official Broadcasting 684 00:59:37.639 --> 00:59:43.119 Corporation was attracted. And suddenly people came from all over the place to see 685 00:59:43.159 --> 00:59:46.079 this, and they saw it almost every night. They saw it, these 686 00:59:46.159 --> 00:59:52.360 lights coming up the valley and under the tree tops, some of them extremely 687 00:59:52.440 --> 00:59:55.280 big, some of them smaller, and going down again afterwards, and a 688 00:59:55.320 --> 00:59:59.800 lot of film was taken, a lot of pictures were taken. The military 689 01:00:00.079 --> 01:00:05.599 got it on radar, and after a while, some enthusiasts, some scientists 690 01:00:05.800 --> 01:00:10.639 decided to put up in an observatory on a twenty four hour basis, which 691 01:00:10.760 --> 01:00:16.639 they did then in the mid nineties, and they started recording a lot of 692 01:00:16.679 --> 01:00:22.599 stuff, both on radar, on low frequency radio, on video and on 693 01:00:22.760 --> 01:00:27.480 pictures. They distributed this on the internet, and this phenomenon got known all 694 01:00:27.519 --> 01:00:32.559 over the world and there were a lot of you know, TV coming from 695 01:00:32.639 --> 01:00:37.039 all over the place, where people from Japan, from US, from Russia, 696 01:00:37.119 --> 01:00:42.559 a lot of investigation and this continued and continued and does till this day. 697 01:00:43.360 --> 01:00:49.039 Now We have three permanent observatories in the valley, one Norwegian, one 698 01:00:49.159 --> 01:00:52.760 French, and one Italian. The French and Italian are financed by the governments 699 01:00:52.840 --> 01:00:59.400 in those countries. The Norwegian is financed by university and they record the East 700 01:00:59.440 --> 01:01:04.480 Age phenomena. And this is a strange phenomenon all the time. Officially, 701 01:01:04.599 --> 01:01:10.960 they are investigating an unknown natural phenomenon, because the word UFO does not sound 702 01:01:12.039 --> 01:01:15.559 good when you're, you know, kind of trying to get these things funded. 703 01:01:15.320 --> 01:01:22.159 So they are researching an unknown natural phenomenon. But they have recorded enormous 704 01:01:22.199 --> 01:01:24.880 amounts of data and there have been a lot of conferences up there. People 705 01:01:25.119 --> 01:01:30.000 are coming from all over the place, and it's still a big question what 706 01:01:30.159 --> 01:01:37.000 this really is. But the observations are enormous and I just can't believe why 707 01:01:37.079 --> 01:01:40.719 this is not more known in the general media. So we did a documentary 708 01:01:40.800 --> 01:01:47.239 on it two years back, and it's also in English, and it's been 709 01:01:47.320 --> 01:01:52.320 pretty well received all over the place, and it documents this pretty good. 710 01:01:52.360 --> 01:01:58.440 We have a lot of footage from this phenomenon. Did these things look at 711 01:01:58.760 --> 01:02:04.800 solid or are they just did they seem to be just blight both? Yeah, 712 01:02:05.440 --> 01:02:09.559 sometimes it's solid objects seen in daytime, and especially the people that are 713 01:02:09.639 --> 01:02:13.840 living up there have seen it over and over and over again, these big 714 01:02:14.000 --> 01:02:20.840 objects. One woman described it like a big piece of brown bread one hundred 715 01:02:20.880 --> 01:02:27.039 feet long with the lights in both ends, traveling absolutely silently right over the 716 01:02:27.079 --> 01:02:31.039 treetops. Another local guy we talked to, he talked about them as the 717 01:02:31.119 --> 01:02:37.280 planes without wings. They were big as passenger planes, but with no windows 718 01:02:37.360 --> 01:02:43.079 and no wings. And so objects have been seen, many types of typical 719 01:02:43.239 --> 01:02:49.159 UFO like cigar shapes, like looking like saucers and all that kind of stuff, 720 01:02:49.280 --> 01:02:57.440 but also very many kind of light objects, big big ones, big 721 01:02:58.119 --> 01:03:02.119 at houses, and also very many objects like more like your soccer balls as 722 01:03:02.199 --> 01:03:07.679 sizes. And what I saw personally was I was sitting on one of these 723 01:03:07.760 --> 01:03:12.320 mountaintops. It was one o'clock in the morning, absolutely pitch dark. I 724 01:03:12.360 --> 01:03:15.159 could see the stars. It had just snowed a lot, but it had 725 01:03:15.159 --> 01:03:19.800 stopped snowing, so the sky was clear. And suddenly it was just like 726 01:03:19.960 --> 01:03:25.119 someone fired a big flash from a photo flash right above my head, and 727 01:03:25.639 --> 01:03:32.480 I looked up and there were two very big clear light sorses or balls of 728 01:03:32.559 --> 01:03:37.639 light or whatever. But because the sky was dark, it was impossible to 729 01:03:37.760 --> 01:03:42.519 figure out how far away they were or how big they were, but they 730 01:03:42.559 --> 01:03:45.880 were, you know, with some distance. I could see stars between them, 731 01:03:45.920 --> 01:03:50.920 but they were traveling like they were connected. They were absolutely traveling in 732 01:03:51.039 --> 01:03:55.960 parallel speed. And after like half a minute, they just shot off right 733 01:03:57.079 --> 01:04:03.880 into space or two cosmos And that was absolutely unbelievable. So and I saw 734 01:04:03.920 --> 01:04:10.079 it together with a bunch of students and we were all just shook up by 735 01:04:10.280 --> 01:04:16.559 that site. And this thing was also recorded on both radar and on on 736 01:04:17.599 --> 01:04:25.159 on video excuse me, on on a photographic film. So it was definitely 737 01:04:25.280 --> 01:04:31.920 no, no hallucination. And to see that, I just felt that someone 738 01:04:32.599 --> 01:04:35.280 was there to say, hello, we are here and you should know, 739 01:04:35.480 --> 01:04:42.800 but we won't come any closer closer than this. But wow. Yeah, 740 01:04:42.880 --> 01:04:45.840 so that was that was absolutely you know, it was a great thrill. 741 01:04:46.360 --> 01:04:54.000 Yeah, it sounds amazing. Have people spotted anything else unusual, like maybe 742 01:04:54.199 --> 01:05:00.840 entities in the area. Definitely, there have been clear traces of landings, 743 01:05:00.119 --> 01:05:05.440 and they to say, these craft or whatever they are, seem to have 744 01:05:05.719 --> 01:05:11.599 kind of a tripod system that they land on, because they leave big landing 745 01:05:11.679 --> 01:05:18.199 marks on the ground that are kind of a foot deep. And it's three 746 01:05:18.320 --> 01:05:24.599 of them placed like a triangle. And that has been seen by people many 747 01:05:24.719 --> 01:05:32.920 times, and on two occasions people have seen entities around these landed crafts that 748 01:05:33.079 --> 01:05:41.559 are seemingly taking soil samples. One woman described it as she said, they 749 01:05:41.599 --> 01:05:45.519 looked just like the men that we saw on the moon, the NASA astronauts 750 01:05:45.559 --> 01:05:49.000 when they were walking on the moon with big helmets and a kind of a 751 01:05:49.119 --> 01:05:57.239 rucksack on their back, and they had not white but brown, you know, 752 01:05:57.639 --> 01:06:02.079 overalls or clothing, and it looked like they were taking soil samples. 753 01:06:02.960 --> 01:06:11.800 And so that has been seen on two occasions, and on one occasion there 754 01:06:11.880 --> 01:06:17.360 was actually a big soil sample taken in the midst of nowhere two hours walked 755 01:06:17.400 --> 01:06:24.920 from the closest closest dirt road. There was a big soil sample like it 756 01:06:25.079 --> 01:06:32.039 was six by four meters which is like twenty by twelve feet, a piece 757 01:06:32.119 --> 01:06:40.119 of turf cut out of with laser precision. It was like two feet deep, 758 01:06:40.840 --> 01:06:44.239 and it was lifted. This weighed a couple of tons. It was 759 01:06:44.360 --> 01:06:50.400 lifted off the ground and put on the side. And an amazing thing because 760 01:06:50.440 --> 01:06:55.280 when you tried to lift it yourself, it just fell into pieces because it 761 01:06:55.400 --> 01:07:00.400 was so wet. So something had the ability to pick this up and and 762 01:07:00.800 --> 01:07:06.480 uh and put in a side Wow, sill there, yeah, still here. 763 01:07:08.559 --> 01:07:11.679 Yeah, and we got pictures of that in the film. Uh huh. 764 01:07:12.320 --> 01:07:15.599 That's exciting. That sounds great. And for people, just so people 765 01:07:15.719 --> 01:07:19.400 know, New Paradigm dot no o is where people can go to buy the 766 01:07:19.519 --> 01:07:26.760 films, and like you said, they are in English. Also. Yeah, 767 01:07:26.880 --> 01:07:30.119 and I think this Hestalin case is one of the best documented cases on 768 01:07:30.199 --> 01:07:35.239 the UFO thing ever because there are so many many physical evidences and so many 769 01:07:36.079 --> 01:07:45.880 radar observations and done by scientists. So it's I mean, it's the scientists 770 01:07:45.360 --> 01:07:51.639 are all very convinced that this is a phenomenon, that is, it's definitely 771 01:07:51.760 --> 01:07:58.599 not human made, but they haven't got any clear explanation yet. But it's 772 01:07:59.760 --> 01:08:03.360 it's it's actually the case that is very heavily investigated at the Yeah, it 773 01:08:03.559 --> 01:08:11.519 sounds incredible. Did you submit this film to the EBE Film Festival. Yes, 774 01:08:11.800 --> 01:08:17.560 we did in two or three years back, but it was actually the 775 01:08:17.640 --> 01:08:24.920 first film that was shown on the whole festival. And well, of course 776 01:08:25.000 --> 01:08:29.640 I felt that it didn't have too much audience. I wasn't there myself. 777 01:08:30.359 --> 01:08:33.119 But anyway, it was shown, but it didn't win any prize. That's 778 01:08:33.520 --> 01:08:40.680 terrify, that's a tragedy. Well, I'm surprised because it sounds I mean, 779 01:08:40.760 --> 01:08:45.520 I know your work is incredible, so I am just really really excited 780 01:08:45.600 --> 01:08:49.640 to watch that one because that sounds incredible. The other film, though, 781 01:08:50.239 --> 01:08:54.760 in the remaining time that we have I'd like to talk about, of course, 782 01:08:54.880 --> 01:08:59.720 is The Day Before Disclosure, which is your recent documentary, the one 783 01:08:59.760 --> 01:09:03.479 that one the People's Choice Award. Just well, it's already been a month 784 01:09:03.520 --> 01:09:08.279 and a half, almost a little more than a month ago, and you've 785 01:09:08.319 --> 01:09:13.399 got a lot of people that you interviewed in this film regarding the UFO phenomena, 786 01:09:13.439 --> 01:09:15.720 I mean, and some big people like Paul Hell here, and you 787 01:09:15.800 --> 01:09:20.720 have edgar Mitchell, that Apollo astronaut. This must have been a lot of 788 01:09:20.760 --> 01:09:26.359 work. Yes, we've been working on that film for the last four years, 789 01:09:27.159 --> 01:09:31.560 and we decided that if we are going to, you know, make 790 01:09:31.640 --> 01:09:39.760 a film which is aimed on the general public, we have to get the 791 01:09:39.840 --> 01:09:47.079 most credible people to tell stories that really has some sense and some value. 792 01:09:47.920 --> 01:09:53.560 So we did a lot of research to try to find out who were the 793 01:09:53.640 --> 01:10:03.079 people that we wanted to interview, and we used like four years visiting people 794 01:10:03.199 --> 01:10:11.720 in their homes, in universities, going to a lot of the UFO festivals 795 01:10:11.720 --> 01:10:15.760 of course, where all these people come. And so we have done some 796 01:10:16.199 --> 01:10:24.079 I think it's some almost sixty interviews, and of those sixty interviews, forty 797 01:10:24.159 --> 01:10:30.840 of them are appearing in the film. And it has been an you know, 798 01:10:30.159 --> 01:10:34.880 just to I think we had some one hundred and twenty hours of stuff 799 01:10:34.960 --> 01:10:41.880 to when we started editing. So the editing process itself was I don't know 800 01:10:41.960 --> 01:10:45.079 how many hundred hours we use. At some time we just stopped counting the 801 01:10:45.159 --> 01:10:51.239 hours. But to put this together and try to kind of make it into 802 01:10:53.279 --> 01:10:57.560 the story that was interesting to watch, was it was a lot of work, 803 01:10:58.319 --> 01:11:04.119 but of course it was an extremely interesting work. So it was absolutely 804 01:11:04.880 --> 01:11:09.640 so great. We had such a great time when we did it. We 805 01:11:09.720 --> 01:11:12.680 had, of course a lot of discussions and we had to write a lot 806 01:11:12.720 --> 01:11:15.720 of narration and discussing back and forth what are we going to include and what 807 01:11:16.079 --> 01:11:23.960 are we not going to include because the UFO situation covers very many topics, 808 01:11:24.600 --> 01:11:30.119 and we actually decided very early that we are not going to make a film 809 01:11:30.239 --> 01:11:36.920 that will scare people, or you know, try to exaggerate or to pull 810 01:11:38.359 --> 01:11:43.560 all these more dark sides of this phenomenon up to the surface. I mean, 811 01:11:44.119 --> 01:11:46.000 we found out that. We will leave that to Hollywood. They are 812 01:11:46.159 --> 01:11:50.159 very good at making scary films about these topics. We will not do that. 813 01:11:50.359 --> 01:11:56.279 We will try to express and to what most people tell us, which 814 01:11:56.399 --> 01:12:00.199 is not very scary. It's well, it can be scary because it's the 815 01:12:00.239 --> 01:12:04.039 piece of the unknown. But apart from that, no one seems to have 816 01:12:04.199 --> 01:12:15.079 been murdered or really hurt badly in any way in having encounters with these ets. 817 01:12:15.720 --> 01:12:19.600 Of course, many people have been shaken because this is so out of 818 01:12:19.720 --> 01:12:27.479 this world, and it's tough to face a reality where etes suddenly are a 819 01:12:27.560 --> 01:12:34.560 part of reality, and that takes it stranger psych your psychic sides, of 820 01:12:34.640 --> 01:12:42.319 course. But when it comes when you sum it up, this phenomenon seems 821 01:12:42.359 --> 01:12:50.159 to be it is not a thing that is trying to destroy us or kill 822 01:12:50.239 --> 01:12:54.880 us or whatever, because if that had been the case, they probably would 823 01:12:54.920 --> 01:12:58.800 have done it a long time ago. It seems to me that someone or 824 01:12:59.319 --> 01:13:06.439 many different what do you say, civilizations or actors or whatever out there, 825 01:13:06.640 --> 01:13:13.279 they are studying us. We are obviously very interesting as a object for study. 826 01:13:13.920 --> 01:13:18.560 And what we also discovered that what they are studying is many of these 827 01:13:19.159 --> 01:13:26.479 ets are our emotional size. Many of the abductees, which you know there 828 01:13:26.479 --> 01:13:30.920 are numbers, are by thousands, but we have interviewed many of those and 829 01:13:30.800 --> 01:13:38.159 they seem to been part of have been part of a kind of a program 830 01:13:39.000 --> 01:13:44.239 where they study humans for different reasons, and the emotional side of human beings 831 01:13:44.560 --> 01:13:49.039 seem to be one of the absolutely most interesting things. So which is part 832 01:13:49.079 --> 01:13:58.560 of this seemingly program that's going on et studying humans? And well, the 833 01:13:58.680 --> 01:14:02.720 work to try to figure out what to bring into the film was hard because 834 01:14:02.760 --> 01:14:10.359 you know, you have things like cattle mutilations you have which is seemingly very 835 01:14:10.439 --> 01:14:15.560 bad. Of course it's nothing compared to what we do to our laboratory animals, 836 01:14:15.159 --> 01:14:20.479 but still it seems nasty thing. We didn't want to take that into 837 01:14:20.520 --> 01:14:26.399 the film because we want to wanted to make a film that could present this 838 01:14:27.199 --> 01:14:30.960 to people who have not been into the UFO subject in the first place, 839 01:14:31.560 --> 01:14:36.720 and if you then so we did not include all the things that are kind 840 01:14:36.760 --> 01:14:45.880 of more advanced or you know, takes some if you actually want to study 841 01:14:46.239 --> 01:14:50.760 things like animal mutilations, you have to have studied the whole topic for a 842 01:14:50.840 --> 01:14:55.000 while, you know, to get used to it as if you know first 843 01:14:55.039 --> 01:14:59.119 hand information. We left that out. We decided that that and we also 844 01:14:59.279 --> 01:15:03.760 left out much of the stuff about the abductions, which we will have saved 845 01:15:03.880 --> 01:15:12.439 for maybe probably a later production. So we wanted to present the situation about 846 01:15:12.520 --> 01:15:17.079 the whole topic being, you know, on this truth embargo thing, that 847 01:15:17.640 --> 01:15:21.359 there is a reality that has been kept from the public, and that was, 848 01:15:21.720 --> 01:15:25.560 you know, our main thing to get that out, that there is 849 01:15:25.640 --> 01:15:30.960 a reality there that is very real, and it's time that people should know 850 01:15:30.079 --> 01:15:35.239 about it and we should open up and try to be more transparent because, 851 01:15:35.319 --> 01:15:39.840 as I said, we are as a population now on this planet, we 852 01:15:39.960 --> 01:15:45.800 are mature enough to face the truth about our place in the cosmos and that 853 01:15:45.000 --> 01:15:49.840 there are that we are part of a much, much larger reality. So 854 01:15:50.640 --> 01:15:56.600 that is what we wanted to bring out with this film. Now, one 855 01:15:56.640 --> 01:16:00.159 of the things you mentioned is in the film you even talked about till We're 856 01:16:00.159 --> 01:16:03.720 in in you know, will future generations see us? This generation is kind 857 01:16:03.760 --> 01:16:08.319 of silly for hiding our head in the sand. And not paying attention to 858 01:16:08.439 --> 01:16:13.359 this subject. And with the title of the film that the day before disclosure, 859 01:16:13.800 --> 01:16:17.760 do you feel that we are on the brink of disclosure? Well, 860 01:16:18.119 --> 01:16:25.920 I can comment on that. We uh, we had we had a feeling 861 01:16:26.000 --> 01:16:31.880 that there are there are so there are you know a huge amount of information 862 01:16:32.560 --> 01:16:39.960 surfacing these days, and you know, thanks you know, to the Internet. 863 01:16:40.039 --> 01:16:45.600 And and also because a lot of the people that was involved in these 864 01:16:45.840 --> 01:16:50.119 things on the military side and back in the fifties, sixties and seventies are 865 01:16:50.239 --> 01:16:54.399 you know, are starting to coming out, coming out and telling about it. 866 01:16:54.439 --> 01:17:00.520 And now you know, as old as old guys. And so the 867 01:17:00.640 --> 01:17:06.119 last ten years has been a has been a huge It's been an kind of 868 01:17:06.199 --> 01:17:14.279 overflow of information on this compared to previous decades. So we we kind of 869 01:17:14.600 --> 01:17:23.560 you know, asked ourselves, if this thing actually breaks sometime in the next 870 01:17:23.720 --> 01:17:30.319 you know, months or years or whatever, how will that impact our whole 871 01:17:30.399 --> 01:17:36.479 society and if and we figured that it has to be if this thing breaks, 872 01:17:36.600 --> 01:17:41.960 it has to be one of the biggest events in human history. So 873 01:17:43.239 --> 01:17:47.520 we kind of post a question that when when the children of you know, 874 01:17:47.640 --> 01:17:54.960 the next the next century read their story and their history books in school, 875 01:17:55.079 --> 01:18:00.720 right, how will they be presented with the with the past, And and 876 01:18:00.600 --> 01:18:09.239 we figured that the the UFO phenomenon has to be become a pretty big chapter 877 01:18:09.319 --> 01:18:15.399 in the history books. So that was kind of the starting point for the 878 01:18:15.600 --> 01:18:23.319 for the whole angle of the film because right now there is absolutely no information 879 01:18:23.439 --> 01:18:29.399 on this and in the in the well in the establishments. But if this 880 01:18:29.600 --> 01:18:34.439 thing breaks, then then there has to be well people has to to relate 881 01:18:34.479 --> 01:18:43.399 to it, and people have to two to talk about it. And so 882 01:18:45.079 --> 01:18:50.159 we well, we have a feeling that this thing is, this thing is 883 01:18:50.239 --> 01:18:55.439 coming to this whole secrecy thing is coming to an end. It's you know, 884 01:18:55.560 --> 01:18:58.560 of course difficult to say if it's going to happen, when it's going 885 01:18:58.600 --> 01:19:02.960 to happen, but the amount of information is it's like a flood that can 886 01:19:03.119 --> 01:19:09.199 be hold back pretty much longer. So at one point it has to come 887 01:19:09.239 --> 01:19:15.600 out, and after that it will be major, a major topic in world 888 01:19:15.720 --> 01:19:18.840 history. You know. Yeah, it's exciting to think about, you know, 889 01:19:19.079 --> 01:19:26.439 kids not reading their history books and having the chapters on UFOs and things 890 01:19:26.520 --> 01:19:29.680 like that. And I think what you all are doing is a sort of 891 01:19:30.319 --> 01:19:34.399 disclosure by getting some of this information that people don't have access to out to 892 01:19:34.640 --> 01:19:42.159 the public. Yeah, well that was you know, there are are also, 893 01:19:42.239 --> 01:19:44.680 you know a lot of other filmmakers out there, and there are you 894 01:19:44.760 --> 01:19:51.000 know, people having websites, radio shows like yours, and there's you know 895 01:19:53.239 --> 01:20:00.199 a growing number of people spreading information on this thing, these things and but 896 01:20:01.119 --> 01:20:05.760 if well, it's like in any other topic, if it's if it's ever 897 01:20:05.840 --> 01:20:12.079 gonna you know, surface in the mainstream media and many in the main public 898 01:20:12.399 --> 01:20:18.600 attention. Uh, there has to be there has to be enthusiasts, you 899 01:20:18.680 --> 01:20:26.479 know, spreading the word and uh. And you know, we consider ourselves 900 01:20:27.079 --> 01:20:31.960 enthusiasts in this field. You know. To me, it's like just a 901 01:20:33.239 --> 01:20:41.199 tsunami building up because I think this we are all part of a grassroots movement 902 01:20:42.079 --> 01:20:46.560 that is growing bigger and bigger and bigger by the every day. And especially 903 01:20:46.680 --> 01:20:50.800 I can see here in Europe people are getting more and more convinced that these 904 01:20:50.920 --> 01:20:56.800 things are real, and especially after many of the European countries have opened up 905 01:20:56.800 --> 01:21:00.920 their UFO archives, although they have still closed. They haven't done that with 906 01:21:00.000 --> 01:21:09.479 their military archives of course, but in Britain they have actually released pretty many 907 01:21:10.000 --> 01:21:17.119 amazing cases from their UFO archives, and people are paying attention, and this 908 01:21:17.279 --> 01:21:21.079 is growing like a big wave, like a tsunami. And I have all 909 01:21:21.119 --> 01:21:28.880 alonge felt that this topic is never going to break by some person in government 910 01:21:29.479 --> 01:21:32.800 saying hello, I just want to say that for the last fifty or sixty 911 01:21:32.880 --> 01:21:36.319 years, we have been keeping a secret hair because we didn't feel that you 912 01:21:36.439 --> 01:21:42.760 were you capable of knowing the truth. But and so and so, I 913 01:21:42.840 --> 01:21:47.720 don't think that's going to happen. It will not be President Obama or any 914 01:21:48.920 --> 01:21:57.279 big official person taking you know this to the public, But eventually they will 915 01:21:57.359 --> 01:22:01.640 be forced to open up because the sure will build to be so big that 916 01:22:01.840 --> 01:22:08.399 it will be very embarrassing for different types of governments trying to hold this back. 917 01:22:08.640 --> 01:22:12.319 And when it breaks, they're going to say, find all types of 918 01:22:12.439 --> 01:22:18.199 excuses why this hasn't been released before. And some of those excuses will be 919 01:22:18.520 --> 01:22:24.840 quite plausible, I guess, but there will also be things that will be 920 01:22:25.039 --> 01:22:32.720 very hard to be confronted with within governmental systems and many of these military industrial 921 01:22:32.840 --> 01:22:40.520 complexes who have known all the way and try to hold this all back and 922 01:22:40.680 --> 01:22:45.560 keep it for themselves. It's going to shake the whole you know, governmental 923 01:22:45.640 --> 01:22:51.039 and political situation. It's going to shake the religious world. It's going to 924 01:22:51.279 --> 01:22:59.079 be the absolutely biggest events in recorded history. I'm absolutely definite about that. 925 01:22:59.640 --> 01:23:01.680 When it breaks and it's I don't think it's going to be long before it 926 01:23:01.760 --> 01:23:05.920 does. Well, we're about out of time, but I did want to 927 01:23:06.000 --> 01:23:11.399 mention too just how important I think it is and how great what you've done 928 01:23:11.439 --> 01:23:16.720 here. I think it moves us towards this disclosure by like you said, 929 01:23:16.760 --> 01:23:20.319 you put in a lot of time and effort on this thing, and then 930 01:23:20.359 --> 01:23:25.279 you were able to put it online for people to view for free, which 931 01:23:25.399 --> 01:23:30.039 probably you know, helped you actually with sales, I think, but still 932 01:23:30.600 --> 01:23:35.159 even more so and more importantly it helped with people being able to have access 933 01:23:35.720 --> 01:23:42.439 to your great film and that the necessary information that you put in there. 934 01:23:42.560 --> 01:23:47.720 So I think it's really I think that's just very important and a great service 935 01:23:47.760 --> 01:23:54.680 that you provided there. Well, thank you, thanks. I think I 936 01:23:54.760 --> 01:24:00.680 mean today, with the situation on the Internet, people actually expect information to 937 01:24:00.760 --> 01:24:05.800 be free. I mean every newspaper has understand understood that. They I mean 938 01:24:05.880 --> 01:24:14.800 they can't they can't claim money from people who want to read their news sites. 939 01:24:15.119 --> 01:24:16.520 They have to put it out for free, or else they will lose 940 01:24:16.640 --> 01:24:27.600 their viewers or their public you know. So information today in the twenty first 941 01:24:27.640 --> 01:24:32.159 century is the thing that is for free for everyone, and at least when 942 01:24:32.439 --> 01:24:35.119 I mean, of course, it costs a lot of money to make films, 943 01:24:35.119 --> 01:24:40.239 so you have to try to get some return in some way or another. 944 01:24:40.399 --> 01:24:44.000 And what we have done is we have also made the film available on 945 01:24:44.920 --> 01:24:47.159 DVD, of course, and we have put out all the interviews in full 946 01:24:47.239 --> 01:24:54.119 length for people to download for a small fee, which has you know, 947 01:24:54.359 --> 01:24:57.760 given us a small amount of return on the work that we have done. 948 01:24:57.840 --> 01:25:01.720 But I mean, it doesn't come close to what production actually cost, and 949 01:25:02.000 --> 01:25:05.560 we we didn't so but anyway, we didn't do this for the money. 950 01:25:06.039 --> 01:25:11.520 We did it because we had this great interest, that in the top interest 951 01:25:11.600 --> 01:25:15.800 in the topic, and we felt that it was time to try to do 952 01:25:15.960 --> 01:25:21.439 what we could to participate in this ground movement to get this information up to 953 01:25:21.560 --> 01:25:27.880 the surface. And I hope that our film has been a contribution in that 954 01:25:28.039 --> 01:25:34.800 respect. All right, great, just to remind people the website's new paradigm 955 01:25:34.920 --> 01:25:40.439 dot No. Thank you guys so much for joining us. Well, thank 956 01:25:40.479 --> 01:25:44.399 you so much for having us. Thank you much. It was my pleasure. 957 01:25:44.640 --> 01:25:46.159 I'm really excited to be able to get a chance to talk to you 958 01:25:46.279 --> 01:25:49.560 guys. So thanks for taking the time out of your day. Thanks the 959 01:25:49.640 --> 01:25:55.800 same to you, all right, Thank you to True and Terry top Tens. 960 01:25:56.319 --> 01:26:01.279 Go check out their movie because it's wonderful and it's free online and join 961 01:26:01.399 --> 01:26:04.840 us next week. We're going to have great bishop. He's written a book 962 01:26:04.880 --> 01:26:11.039 called Project Beta and it's about Richard Dodie and Paul Benowitz. And I've talked 963 01:26:11.039 --> 01:26:16.039 about Dody in the Air Force before and some of this disinformation kind of that 964 01:26:16.279 --> 01:26:19.720 came out and drove this poor Benowitz guy crazy. So we're going to get 965 01:26:19.720 --> 01:26:27.119 into detail on this very important chapter in UFO history. And actually this is 966 01:26:27.159 --> 01:26:30.960 a period of time that generated a lot of the UFO mythology out there. 967 01:26:30.239 --> 01:26:33.600 So it's going to be a great show. Thank you for listening to Open 968 01:26:33.680 --> 01:26:39.720 Minds Radio. Join us next week, and don't forget to visit Open Minds 969 01:26:39.760 --> 01:26:42.760 fat TV for all your latest UFO news.