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Very extra. Yo, yo,
what's up? What's up y'all? Happy

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spooky season, Happy Spooktober. You
know, we got a special treat tonight.

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We got Jane Jamie here, who
invented Spootober. So we got four.

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We're gonna be going number four not
really Halloween movies tonight, but you

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know they're spooky. One of them
was almost unwatchable. It's horrific. Yeah,

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yeah, it was, it was. It was pretty terrifying. These

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are these are more than horrifying Halloween
horror hotel movies. So tonight, y'all,

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we're gonna be doing the Invitation,
the menu, Cheese Burger, the

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menu, Fresh and get Out,
and of course Jay and Jamie have Jay's

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talked about the invitation on the stream. I don't think you guys have done

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get Out, You've done you've done
the menu and and Fresh. I don't

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think I don't think you've done Fresh. But this one is Jamie, I

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liked it. The other night.
You called it flesh, which was which

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was appropriate accident. So where you
guys want to start? You want to

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start with the invitation. Yeah,
so this movie, So this movie came

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out in twenty fifteen, and there's
two movies Invitation, both are once a

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kind of a cheesy vampire, you
know, Netflix movie. But this one

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is pretty good. This one came
out in twenty fifteen, and it's got

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the Walmart Tom Hardy in it,
and he looks like Tom Hardy. Yeah,

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well yeah son, right, And
and the the first thing off the

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bat with this movie is that,
like there there are common themes and common

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things among the movies Tom Hardley Hardly
that was that was too easy? Yeah,

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And it's the dude from that movie
Upgrade, right, you covered Upgrades.

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And so the one of the things
in this movie is that not to

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skip to flash, but that the
like the static is kind of the same,

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right. So it's it's like you
get in Invitation to the Horror Hotel,

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right, which is this weird dinner
party, and he got you know,

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he drives up and the same thing
happens when he's going to the party

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as happens and get out, which
is like he's driving there and he runs

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over an animal, right, So
and so it sort of sets the theme

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for the rest of the movie.
And this one it's a coyote, right,

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and he has to put the coyote
out of its misery, and then

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he shows up at the party right
and immediately when he walks in, there's

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a group of like, it's very
odd. It's a very odd feeling when

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he walks in, because like the
Lana, the vampirical Lana del Rey woman

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walks down the stairs and she's got
she's got like vampire teeth, but not

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vampire teeth. And then there's a
guy who kind of looks like him,

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a beardy guy who kind of looks
like him, and they're but like if

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you've ever been to a dinner party
and you walk in and they're like,

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greetings, it's so good to see
you, and they hug you very I

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thought maybe you picked all of these
because of the theme of food, but

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then I realized it out doesn't really
have a food theme, but it still

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fits with the invitation to a weird, uh sort of party setting meal.

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So I guess overalls, yeah,
well, yeah, already horrific because it's

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his old home and the party has
been thrown by his ex wife and he's

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bringing his new girlfriends, so that
adds an extra. So you want to

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come to the cook dinner, You
want to come to the cook We got

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fresh duck for cook. She's like, this ain't gonna be no cookout,

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right, and it's it's it's the
same as get out because there's a you

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know, an obvious relationship that's different. And they walk in and and there

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is like this sort of like who's
the alpha of this house? A couple

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of times in this movie, right, he makes it clear like this was

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my home, and then the other
guy's like, this is my home now,

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and I run things a little differently
here, but it was because her

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parents were the one with the right
and then yeah, and he flashes back

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to the having a son, so
he's traumatized by the loss of the sun

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and now he's having to deal with
his you know acts basically being there with

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some new dude. Yeah. So
so the setup for people who haven't seen

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this, because probably people have seen
this the least out of these formula or

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maybe maybe fresh, but this movie
kind of I thought it was pretty revelatory.

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I mean, it's it's crazy because
when you walk in, you're obviously

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you're with the Tom Hardley guy because
he's suspicious, like of the little things

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that you would be suspicious of when
you go in the house, So you're

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kind of you know, you're looking
at it from his perspective, like including

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when he goes in and the guy
locks the door and then removes the key

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from the inside of the door,
which is very odd, right, like

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why but but he actually he like
questions him, He's like, why why

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are you doing that? What are
you doing And he's like, you know,

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well, we run things a little
differently here. And then all the

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people show up. So so it's
a guy goes to the house and he's

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meeting a group of friends like from
his old life, and I got what

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we find out is that they're all
drawn to this house and this party because

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it's weird because it's a birthday party, it's a dinner party, it's like

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a it's like a reunion, right, And then we find out that there's

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a sales pitch. There's sort of
a sales pitch, and they bring that

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up. So at what point when
you guys are watching this there were you

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like, oh, this is this
is a cult? I mean, he's

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well, I think I found this
film around the time that it came out

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searching for movies about cults, so
I was kind of spoiled by the way

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I searched for it. So I
knew it was going to be about a

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cult, but I like, because
I didn't really know what it was going

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to what kind of a cult?
You know, are we going to get

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like a a Jeffrey Badonka don't eating
people cult? Are we going to get

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like a Heaven's Gate? And what
we end up getting is a Heaven's Gate

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meets scientology kind of blend here.
So I like the way they played on

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like the you know, it's sort
of like a new age Instagram guru man,

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but also kind of scientology, kind
of Heaven's Gate ish, And I

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like how for a good while we
don't know, even as things are getting

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a little more weird and they have
these weird kind of views about death and

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death being an illusion, you still
don't feel like they're a malicious, nefarious

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cult. You think they're kind of
benign. And so I love the build

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up in this film to where,
by the time of the actual dinner party,

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that guy starts to realize the psychological
doubt element was good too, because

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he's he's in a position where he's
kind of off base and off kilter because

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it's an awkward situation being there with
his new girlfriend at his old girlfriend or

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his old wife's house. So he
keeps feeling like he's the problem. And

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it's almost like the cult knew that
he would be in this weak state by

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which he could then be recruited,
being in this off kilter week, you

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know, self doubt state that he's
in. But he keeps and he keeps

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doubting himself, but eventually he's like, no, wait a minute, this's

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just just got too weird. Yeah, no, go ahead, Jamie.

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It's funny because they're acting CULTI the
first time you meet him, I mean,

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she comes down the stairs in this
flowy white dress and she's like hello,

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and her name is Eden, and
they're the very lovey dovey and then

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you see this like weird naked girl
down the hallway, right, Sadie,

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And it's like, is this a
cold or is it just La? Because

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this is how people in LA act, Like this could be any normal dinner

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party in Los Angeles, right.
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new husband or whatever goes up and
hugs the girl, he has this look

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and he's like, what you know
it was? It was an awkward It

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was too much for meeting her at
this party, right. And then when

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he's standing there. I liked how
like you said, like you don't know

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whether he's something's obviously wrong right with
him, because he looks broken and you

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can tell from his you know,
he's got this he's got this bushy look.

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And they bring that up when he
gets a lot of the things that

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you think when you're watching a movie
that you want to comment on, they

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actually bring up in the movie.
And I thought that was pretty clever,

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And that's a way of like sort
of misdirecting the audience to what you were

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just saying that, you know,
oh, no, these are just normal

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things, right, Because they get
there and one of the one of the

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you know, there's this there's a
Skittles couple there and the guy goes up

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and he's like, oh, it's
bushy beard, you know, uh,

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And we know so that we know
that's not his life, and then we

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get flashbacks to his life. But
like the moment where I knew that it

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was wrong was Yeah. Number one. She comes down and she's dressed like

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like Lona del Ray, and she's
got these weird her teeth are like she's

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got fangs, like more than a
normal more than a normal human being,

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and she's very smiley, and then
he's he turns and he's like, he's

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like and he looks and he sees
Sadie Atkins in the other room with no

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pants on, right, and she's
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got a top on but no pants, and you're like what and his expression

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is like, this is there's something
wrong here. And then when they go

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in the kitchen, right, and
he's he's talking to his ex wife,

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and then there's the big there's the
kind of tubby guy in there, and

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and then she slaps him right,
which is kind of a we're getting initiated

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right into the ritual here. So
she slaps him and she's like, that's

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why no one ever takes you seriously
because you think everything's a joke. And

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it's a very it's an audible slap, and he comments on that. He's

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like, that was an audible slap. That was that was hard. And

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then so then they you know,
so they go in and they're talking and

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they're sitting around, right, and
then we get more guests introduced, so

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they're not the last kid. There's
already people there. But when I really

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knew this was gonna go bad,
was when mister Jingles shows up. Okay,

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who is John Carroll Lynch, the
gigantic dude, the ball doughnut head

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dude who plays the bad guy in
Zodiac. You know he at the end

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of Zodiac, Remember he's the guy
they go. Jake Jollenhall walks in and

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he's like, I think you're the
Zodiac I think. Guy's like maybe,

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yeah, right, and he plays
mister Jingles in that In that I just

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did an analysis of Final like The
Final Girl, and I don't watch American

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Horror Story, but there's one season
I watched because it's about Richard Ramirez and

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that guy plays the serial killer mister
Jingles, so I knew when he showed

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up. And even when he shows
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is like, what, who the
fuck is this? I mean, here's

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this guy, what are you doing? And he hardly talks, so so

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then you know they're sitting around talking
I guess, and then they they are

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drinking why we see some flashbacks to
his former life. We know that he

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had a son and they had a
life together, and then they start talking

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about like trauma, right, and
it's then it's like the sales pitch and

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yeah, That's what I'm saying that
Colt waits until you're in a weak space

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from trauma to seize upon you.
Every room in the house is a trigger

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for him, and he has the
flashbacks, the PTSD flashbacks, and so

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it's already a haunted house for this
guy, it is. That's a good

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point, Yeah, including including like
false doors. Right, there was a

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there's a door that's been removed.
Now it's a wall he has. He

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has he has the image of like, uh, there's this you know,

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it's a husband and wife and a
bath together, right, And it's a

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kind of a weird scene because then
like the sun comes in. But then

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he comments on he's like, okay, that's the moment when the sun walked

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in and the their mom and dad
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him, you know. And it's
a so his former life was like fun

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and and he had birthday parties and
all this stuff, and then we see

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that his son has died of some
accident, like at a birthday party.

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There's a he got pinotted or something, and it's it's it's terrible, but

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time has passed. And then when
they're at this little when they're sitting around

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and they say, oh, is
this a salespit. You guys are in

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a cult. And the cult they
bring up was the one you guys talked

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to about in the Americans. I
think it was in the Americans. Remember

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he goes to the s E is
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Yeah s to s that's right.
Yeah. So they they even bring that

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up. They're like, is this
asked? What is this? And they

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say, oh, there's this thing
and it's called The Invitation. That's the

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name of the movie. And so
The Invitation is a thing that we now

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know is popular, like in LA
and they're like, oh, there's a

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lot of people that are members,
and you guys wouldn't even realize how many

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people are members, which is foreshadowing
for the future, right. And I

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guess that's when mister Jingles stands up
and says, I had a wife.

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He made abstract modern art that was
electric and I knew I loved her.

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And it's very weird because he you
know, I guess you don't expect him

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to be so like sensitive. But
then they do the thing that that we're

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going to see in get Out,
which is they show an old, grainy

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video mm hmm and they what did
you what did you think of the video

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that I liked it? I mean
it was like cheesy, but also it

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seemed kind of authentic, like the
type of thing that you would watch if

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you were being introduced to you know, some kind of Uh is this like

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multi tiered marketing or is this a
cult? What? Well did you catch

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that it all started in Mexico?
I don't know. Yeah, so a

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lot, yeah, a lot of
people go down to South America and Mexico

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for enlightenment in ayahuasca and payots,
yeah, to have your mushrooms or like

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whatever, trip and come back.
Yeah right. Yeah. So so they're

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down in the valley in Mexico having
these weird, you know, pervert ceremonies.

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Wa Tristan is up on the mountain
watching them. He's watching like a

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perth. Yeah yeah. So and
the thing they bring up about Mexico is

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like they go, so the guy, the one guy, says, so

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what really happens in Mexico? You
know? And they're like, oh,

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anything you want, you know,
you can have anything you want. And

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they they the one girl kisses,
So we've had a it's like it's a

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it's an initiation, right. So
there's a slap and then there's a kiss.

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So the girl kisses the other girl
and she's like, oh, I

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think I like that. Now we
can be free to do whatever we want.

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And then somebody busts out some cocaine
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bust it out. And then we
see the cult guy who's a you

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know, kind of average looking guy, but he's got Marshall apple white eyes

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and he's in a circle like in
trees. Yeah, and then he says

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he gets he gives all the terms, right. He's like, they say,

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uh, well, it's it's much
more grounded than est but it's also

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spiritual. Yeah, right, and
uh then what happens? Oh oh,

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then we see the video of the
death. They show a video of a

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woman and they're like at her bedside, and that's very that's very bizarre because

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when you're watching it, you can't
really tell is this woman dying or is

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they are they just like sitting beside
or did did they did they euthanize?

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Was there like a willful choice?
You don't really know? And if I

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Remember it doesn't he say that death
is an illusion? Isn't that part of

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the Yeah, say pain is optional? Pain is optional? Or And this

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reminds me of like a lot of
these New Age gurus actually say this.

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People don't know this, but we
did a stream about til Swan and she's

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had a lot of controversy because she
actually says, oh, this was an

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illusion. If you unlive yourself,
you're just entering into a new state of

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beni and coming back right. So
she kind of actually teaches us. A

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lot of the other gurus teach it
too, So it's fitting because it's a

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popular guru idea. Didn't that guy
John of God go to Mexico and South

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America a lot? I don't know
about Mexico, but he was in I

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think Peru and he was convicted recently
for trafficking and I think they gave him

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like one hundred years in jail.
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Remember when they're in the kitchen,
she says, Oh, it's very

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scientific because you know your pain is
just neurons, and you choose where to

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channel your pain. And it becomes
when the dinner plays into this later because

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I started to thinking, is this
like an eat is this going to mean

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to eat the pain? You know? Guy ceremony? Where what's what's gonna

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happen here? And the pain thing
plays the first it's an emotional pain,

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right, and it's a mental pain, and then it's a physical pain.

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But it's pain less because we watch
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watching again, you can't really tell
if they're euthanizing her. She's if they're

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what they're doing. But it's weird
because the the apple white guy like she's

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dying and he like looks up like
while she's dying, and he's like,

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can't you see it's painless? Look
now she's gone away and she's in all

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of us. And when they end
the video, the the like people have

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a they're they're normal. They're normal
people at least at this thing. Not

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everybody is in this call because one
of the girls is like, what the

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fuck? What was that? Why
would you show that? And then the

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Tom Hardley guy says, you know
you think that's a good idea to show

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that at a dinner party. I'm
just questioning that, what's the what's the

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what's the deal here? And the
main guy, the the who's like a

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tech tech guru, you know guy
or whatever. The new replacement bearded guy

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is like, well, you know, you can choose to take this seriously

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or whatever. So now they're full
on, like in the pitch, and

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we know that mister Jingles is going
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he's the big guy that shows up, and because then the woman who was

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trying to have a conversation with him
on the stairs says, you know what,

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I'm gonna go and when you what
did you guys when I was watching

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that. I just rewatched it this
afternoon. When I rewatched it, I

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thought, good for you, get
out, get get out, whatever it

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takes to get out and get out. But are they gonna let her go?

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And the movie did a really clever
job of of last minute things where

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is she going to get away?
Because they try, oh, why don't

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you stay? You stay a little
longer than Finally dude's like, just you

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know, just let her go or
whatever, and then they unlock the door.

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She walks out, and then of
course the enforcer stands up and says,

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hmm, I'm going to walk her
to her car, And you're like,

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no, no, don't, don't
let mister Jingles, walk you to

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your prius. It's about and and
so he walks out. He's very you

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know, oh, and he backs
up and the guys stand there watching through

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the window, right, and then
we're like, okay, she got away.

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But at the last minute he's like, oh, Linda, hold on,

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I forgot and then he gets taken
away from the window. So I

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thought, this is the moment where
he kills her in the car, right,

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He's not gonna let her get away, and then he comes back in

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like nothing happened. But they're all
it's it's this thing of like, you

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know, it's it's like total gas
it's it's it's actual gas lighting at the

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place. They're they're playing on your
your fears. They're you know, subverting

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your your expectations. She had bars
put on all the windows so you can't

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get out, So like there's the
added layer of like claustrophobia or yeah,

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you're gonna have to You're gonna be
forced to make a decision tonight whether you

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accept the pitch or whether you try
to fight. Right that, we're getting

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more and more intimations that it's about
to be Odane brawl up in here,

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right, which is which is what
happens in the next movie. We're gonna

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cover Oh everyone's here. It's gonna
die tonight. Right, So but what's

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the reason she gives for the bars. She's like, you know, oh

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this is oh yeah, they say. He says, oh, no,

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we had We're in Laurel Canyon and
uh, you know, we had some

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dangerous psychopaths break in here last week
and uh, you know, into a

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house around here and you know,
kill a bunch of people at Clo Drive.

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It was very weird. And then
the other guy's like, oh,

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he's lying, right, so it's
made up. But like you said,

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it's it's cluster pho. And the
aesthetic of this place is the exact same

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as in Fresh, where it's like
muted and flesh colored, you know,

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red and yellow. I'm sure I
turned the fan on. It's hot in

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here. Yeah, yeah, it's
getting steamy. He's getting steamy this dinner.

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go ahead, Jamie, I just

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said it's too hot in the kitchen, stoke. So so then they go

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up and then they have dinner,
and we get the food scene, right,

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and and before that he had gone
snooping through the rooms, and he

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went straight to the drawer where he
knew the pills would be right, and

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he found the pills, and then
he showed him to the doctor and he's

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like, what are these pills?
You know? And the guy's like,

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oh, you've been rifling through the
drawers, you know. Oh, it's

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don't worry, it's Phoeni barbital.
It's nothing right, right, So I

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guess the turning point the Volta that
is when he sees them drinking the wine

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and he slaps the wine out of
their hands and he's like, don't drink

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the wine. So now he's broken
character, right, he's full on going

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to ruin the dinner. And and
then we see I guess what happened.

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One of the women like odd at
the table, did you notice it was

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roth childline? Yeah, yeah yeah. And it's also so that they're putting

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the they poison somebody, right,
that's why he Yeah, that's what I

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thought, yeah right, yeah,
so so yes, yes, they were

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like, oh it's it's it's our
child wine. You know, it only

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costs thirty three million dollars a bottle, which again happens in in the menu,

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not with our Child wine, but
with a different one. You know,

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it's a vintage. It's the only
row of grapes, so they have

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exclusive access to all the epicurean things
at the dinner and yeah, and then

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he breaks character and then and then
even even at that point, they're like,

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it's fine, it's fine. And
then that's when Sadie goes nuts and

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loses. She, by the way, has like intense crazy eyes, Sadie

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character, you're ruining everything, right, and goes in closet. I do

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think that Sadie was she was brought
back from Mexico to be with the couple

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from the calt and be like a
throuple, right, Yeah, I suppose

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so, Yeah, that's how they
were acting. She was very huggy and

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well she she confronts him at the
pool outside. Remember, She's like,

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you can kiss me if you want, and he's like no, and she's

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like, oh you can. You
can do creep creepy things to me and

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he's like get off right nos,
Like no, I want you to love

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bombing and sex bombing exactly. Yeah. I knew a couple guys who went

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to go be and the it's called
the Twelve Tribes. I think some weird

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called in California because they were promised
pretty girls, and the pretty girls kept

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inviting them. They're like, yeah, this girl's gonna be my girlfriend.

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The didn't get it from them.
Again, maybe they did get it,

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maybe they got pretty got the pretty
girl. It's still a mystery. Was

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it in a redwood forest? The
twelve tribes? You can you can become

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a tree man. They became trees, which is what they wanted. So

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so yeah, so they're at the
dinner and she attacks him and then he

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you know, he's like step off, you know, he throws her and

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then she gets cracked on the heyad
on the corner of the thing. And

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then the doctor starts resuscitating her,
and then Zuckerborg or whatever comes in and

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uh smokes him right, shoots the
guy in the back. And then mister

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Jingles, who was very calm at
this point, he's like, give me

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the gun, just give me the
gun. And then they start stabbing people

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and then all all hell breaks loose, right, so then it becomes a

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real like clo drive. Another thing
too, that is that except for get

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out, uh you know, meals
traditionally have a religious significance. Meals are

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always like in Biblical religion, meals
are covenantal and so you're not just having

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a meal with friends or whoever it's
it's the god or the deity is also

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a part of the meal. And
so you know, meals are always seen

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as religious, and so that's why
it's interesting that in this situation, you

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know, the invitation is not just
to have food, it's actually to a

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new covenantal meal where you're essentially going
to be uniting yourself to uh. And

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so I think there's actually when they
when they show the red wine, you

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know, it's actually an invitation like
the Lord's Supper, right, a kind

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of covenantal blood meal. Again,
that's all symbolic that it's not going to

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just be blood symbolically in the cop
it's going to be blood spilled tonight.

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Yeah. And Satanism too, you
would often offer or consume the god,

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or you're eating the god to have
life from the God. Well, the

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whole tribe would bring their offering to
the idol and then they would give it

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to the priest. The priest and
he would take it into the fetish or

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whatever, and then behind closed doors
all the priests have there they eat the

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food basically on behalf of the God
exactly. I'm trying to think how many

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characters there were where there where there's
twelve or thirteen characters in the dinner?

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Not sure? I think so.
I think so. I wouldn't surprise me.

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He also, by the way,
he went into one of his rooms,

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uh, and it was the room
where he imagined, you know,

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his son was, and he sees
this in the flashback. He sees his

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son playing with Dino bots, you
know, in the room, and then

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he like lays down on the bed. He sees this vision of his son.

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And what gets inverted there is that
like he he once he has this,

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he's reunited with his son in his
memories, and he even smiles when

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he thinks of it. Right,
But what they want to do is go

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into the future to reunite with That's
like their stated goal is, oh,

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we'll see you soon, right for
those brief few electrical moments after you pass

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away into the star seed or whatever. But he goes, and he goes

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and there's a computer, and he
opens up the computer and of course it's

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you know, Marshall Applewhite like giving
directions to the guy, this is the

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night, this is the night you
will transform, right, and he's like,

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this is not good. Yeah,
it's nineteen ninety seven, ninety eight,

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and it's a hailbop. They put
on your nikes because tonight is the

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night. And so then he goes
back in and then yeah, and then

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they start, you know, shooting
and stabbing everybody, and then it becomes

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a get a run and hide,
you know scenario, and to hide.

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And there's even like they have a
cinema upstairs, right, little cinema room

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they hide in there, So it's
a meta you know. Mister Jingles walks

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up the stairs and he's like,
he's holding his thirty eight, like this,

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where are they? And this was
cool because he gets bopped over the

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head by the girlfriend and that's unusual, right in the movies, not unusual

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for her characters. She's gonna woop
that ass. So she takes care of

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Jingles and then the one of the
Skintles guys takes care of the other guy.

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Right, he stabs him at the
foot of the stairs. But the

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twist was great, right, I
mean, it's not really a twist,

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but he walks out in the backyard. Oh. Another thing is that's common

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in all these movies. There's no
cell phone reception right the menu fresh get

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None of those none of them had
cell phone reception. So people listen,

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Look, we were talking about in
half. In horror world, you might

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as well just forget it, because
it doesn't matter whether it's Verizon or ATMP.

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There's no service in a horror world. There are different markers that you

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can use to let you know if
you're in a horror movie situation, and

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no reception is one of them.
Greasy last Chance, gas station man,

404
00:33:13.920 --> 00:33:19.400
harboringer Boom is Yeah. I saw
Jamie Kennedy's like he's doing a stand up

405
00:33:20.119 --> 00:33:23.720
thing at like a Halloween thing about
how to survive in horror. So he's

406
00:33:23.759 --> 00:33:28.319
actually just doing a list of these
things. And once you realize you're in

407
00:33:28.359 --> 00:33:30.880
a horror movie, you better not
do any of the big no nos.

408
00:33:30.920 --> 00:33:36.359
You better not to drugs, no
se split out, no money, split

409
00:33:36.440 --> 00:33:39.440
out, no coward well split up, yeah, no splitting up. Like

410
00:33:39.920 --> 00:33:44.480
yeah, if you violate the seven
Deadly sins, you're basically opening yourself up

411
00:33:44.519 --> 00:33:47.119
to the entities. But anyway,
no entities in these movies, but there

412
00:33:47.200 --> 00:33:52.480
is the entity of the colt.
Basically remember in Silver Bullet in the Craper

413
00:33:52.519 --> 00:33:55.160
King movie, Silver bullet with Gary
Busey and it had the old coute right.

414
00:33:55.599 --> 00:33:59.480
No, his children in the corn
Yeah, they go on and there's

415
00:33:59.480 --> 00:34:01.400
an old you know, fixing a
car and he's like, y'all need to

416
00:34:01.400 --> 00:34:05.759
get out of here. There's a
lot of people. Listen to the guy

417
00:34:05.880 --> 00:34:12.400
find that we charged forward into Yeah, go into the cornfield. Last chance,

418
00:34:12.480 --> 00:34:17.280
gas, babe or in maximum overdrive. I think we got a situation

419
00:34:17.440 --> 00:34:22.760
here. Do we have any warning
signs? There was no last chance in

420
00:34:23.679 --> 00:34:28.280
No, it wasn't the wasn't his
black girlfriend. Wasn't she like that's kind

421
00:34:28.280 --> 00:34:31.199
of weird or what is she was? She was she the one saying it's

422
00:34:31.239 --> 00:34:37.440
okay, it's okay, I can't
remember, try and leave okay. So

423
00:34:37.039 --> 00:34:40.079
well she had the sense the red
flags. Yeah, well, when you're

424
00:34:40.079 --> 00:34:44.000
going to the party with her and
you run over a coyote, it's time

425
00:34:44.039 --> 00:34:46.440
to turn around. That was the
first harbager that right, that was the

426
00:34:46.440 --> 00:34:52.800
psychopomp trying to tell you don't don't
keep going right And she's like, we

427
00:34:52.880 --> 00:34:54.920
ran over Dan Dann squirrel on the
way. We got to turn around,

428
00:34:54.920 --> 00:34:59.159
and he's a coyote. Because the
same thing happens to get out right,

429
00:34:59.199 --> 00:35:00.800
with the friend who is like,
while you're going, he says, why

430
00:35:00.840 --> 00:35:04.360
are you going to why are you
going to meet the white people? Parents?

431
00:35:05.039 --> 00:35:09.719
Don't go? Right and right,
the same thing happens in Fresh Right,

432
00:35:10.280 --> 00:35:14.360
there's the there's the there's the black
bartender, and he's like, you

433
00:35:14.400 --> 00:35:16.840
know, don't don't go there.
So listen to the dude. Right,

434
00:35:17.719 --> 00:35:22.440
I guess that's the new replacement for
the old coup. Right, maybe that's

435
00:35:22.440 --> 00:35:27.400
the new archetype. Yeah, exactly, your suspicious black friend is the replacement.

436
00:35:27.639 --> 00:35:30.639
Yeah. Yeah. But also if
you're going to go, bring them

437
00:35:30.639 --> 00:35:36.920
along because they're going to handle business, right and uh. But at the

438
00:35:37.039 --> 00:35:39.480
end of the movie, right,
he goes out into the backyard and that

439
00:35:39.679 --> 00:35:43.800
was the place where the guy earlier
had said, there's no reception, but

440
00:35:43.880 --> 00:35:47.079
try the backyard. That's the best. Don't go alone. But so he

441
00:35:47.119 --> 00:35:51.679
goes into the backyard and the guy
was remember he took a little moment and

442
00:35:51.719 --> 00:35:53.920
he hung up a little red lantern, which is very weird. I mean

443
00:35:54.000 --> 00:35:57.760
it's not even Halloween. And he
hung up a little red lantern all by

444
00:35:57.800 --> 00:36:00.880
itself in the backyard. And then
they go into the back and then they

445
00:36:00.920 --> 00:36:05.119
see red lanterns everywhere, all over
Laurel Canyon, and they hear hellish screams

446
00:36:05.119 --> 00:36:08.880
and helicopters. So everybody, I
guess in Laurel Canyon's like waiting for Hillbob,

447
00:36:09.199 --> 00:36:14.760
everyone in the cult. Yeah,
so it's a great ending. So

448
00:36:14.840 --> 00:36:17.599
yeah, it was more of an
apocalyptic thing. You're you think everything's just

449
00:36:17.679 --> 00:36:23.760
confined to this you know, snazzy
Laurel Canyon weird house, but no,

450
00:36:23.840 --> 00:36:30.960
it's actually the cult is everywhere.
Well yeah, it reminded me of twenty

451
00:36:31.000 --> 00:36:36.639
twenty because the night that the things
started in May and June, I mean

452
00:36:36.679 --> 00:36:42.159
I went outside and and there was
a cloud of smoke. I was right.

453
00:36:42.480 --> 00:36:45.239
I was in the city, right
up from downtown on a hill and

454
00:36:45.280 --> 00:36:49.199
I went out on the back,
on the back balcony, and there was

455
00:36:49.239 --> 00:36:52.280
a giant cloud of smoke that came
over and I was like, what is

456
00:36:52.320 --> 00:36:57.480
this? And I heard helicopters and
then I heard like hellish screaming, and

457
00:36:57.519 --> 00:37:01.079
I got on, I got on
about this is this is twenty This was

458
00:37:01.159 --> 00:37:06.480
like early Jews, like May thirty
first, twenty twenty when everything started burning.

459
00:37:07.159 --> 00:37:10.000
Yeah, but it was the riots
when the riots started. Oh okay,

460
00:37:10.320 --> 00:37:14.400
so in Richmond, you know what
happened was I got I said,

461
00:37:14.400 --> 00:37:15.960
I thought, what's going on?
So I got on Twitter and uh and

462
00:37:16.039 --> 00:37:20.880
a bus had been set on fire
right down the street, and the smoke

463
00:37:20.920 --> 00:37:22.840
from the bus came over and that's
where one of the riots started. Oh

464
00:37:22.960 --> 00:37:27.800
and and I could and then that
went on. That went on for a

465
00:37:27.880 --> 00:37:32.400
month straight, like helicopters flying,
screams, you know, which is weird

466
00:37:32.400 --> 00:37:37.119
because the reflection of the flames down
a hill, like you could see it

467
00:37:37.159 --> 00:37:40.320
in the smoke cloud above the home. So but anyway, it just I

468
00:37:40.320 --> 00:37:45.159
guess it it resonated because at the
end of the film, they go out

469
00:37:45.159 --> 00:37:49.840
and they see red. They see
red, so there's murder and they hear

470
00:37:49.880 --> 00:37:52.280
screaming and they hear they see a
hillside and it's like, oh, the

471
00:37:52.280 --> 00:37:58.360
world's burning in a different sense,
but everything sort of changed. So so

472
00:37:58.360 --> 00:38:00.840
so that was the invitation. So
we've been invited into the other into the

473
00:38:00.880 --> 00:38:06.079
horror hotel here where your destination is
death. I guess, So what do

474
00:38:06.119 --> 00:38:08.920
you want to do next? The
menu other way? Because now that we've

475
00:38:08.960 --> 00:38:13.239
been invited, now it's now it's
time to go, because now we get

476
00:38:13.280 --> 00:38:15.039
another invitation. Now it's time for
meal. It's time for the meal.

477
00:38:15.280 --> 00:38:20.960
Yeah, yeah, eating is religious? Do you mention that? Yeah?

478
00:38:20.960 --> 00:38:24.800
I just mentioned that. And this
is interesting because now we've got class warfare,

479
00:38:25.280 --> 00:38:30.639
uh, to a pretty heavy degree. This is my second time watching

480
00:38:30.679 --> 00:38:35.000
this film, and of course we
did analysis with the SIB of Cinema guys

481
00:38:35.039 --> 00:38:37.440
and they had a lot of good
insights over there, and then rewatching it,

482
00:38:37.480 --> 00:38:42.760
I was able to notice a lot
more of the symbolism and the class

483
00:38:42.800 --> 00:38:45.079
warfare that I didn't notice the first
time. I don't know what you thought

484
00:38:45.079 --> 00:38:49.320
about that, because you know what
we you and I haven't talked about this

485
00:38:49.440 --> 00:38:53.239
movie. What's your first thought on
this? Well? I think that the

486
00:38:53.239 --> 00:38:58.199
the class warfare, yeah, is
is it's a clear I mean he makes

487
00:38:58.199 --> 00:39:00.360
that clear as they go on.
You're either you're you're either with the tourist

488
00:39:00.599 --> 00:39:05.199
or you're with us, right,
And I mean he's a working girl and

489
00:39:05.239 --> 00:39:07.440
they make that clear of the movie
work. She's part of a working class.

490
00:39:07.559 --> 00:39:12.559
Yeah, And he says, as
one provider of experiences to another,

491
00:39:12.719 --> 00:39:19.679
I recognize a working person. But
it's also interesting because it's a it's a

492
00:39:19.719 --> 00:39:28.280
take on the subversion from within of
the elite system, like they represent the

493
00:39:28.360 --> 00:39:32.920
different corners of the you know pyramid. Right, there's there's entertainment, there's

494
00:39:34.000 --> 00:39:38.000
finance, there's you know, uh, there's a literary quality, there's cultural,

495
00:39:38.800 --> 00:39:43.880
there's there's all these different sort of
I guess archetypes within the movie of

496
00:39:43.920 --> 00:39:47.360
these people, corporate conglomerates who own
him. So he is the leader of

497
00:39:47.400 --> 00:39:52.440
this food cult, but he still
has the boss and the people at the

498
00:39:52.480 --> 00:40:00.559
table work for his boss, yes, yes, who he's ready to kill

499
00:40:00.639 --> 00:40:04.519
about ready to kill yes? So
yeah. So basically I thought it was

500
00:40:04.559 --> 00:40:08.039
funny because Ray Fine plays this sort
of Gordon Ramsey that snapped, right,

501
00:40:08.039 --> 00:40:10.440
I mean, Gordon Ramsy is already
kind of crazy, but you know,

502
00:40:10.480 --> 00:40:16.039
we got like the celebrity you know, Hell's kitchen psycho chef that basically snaps

503
00:40:16.639 --> 00:40:21.280
and is now a psycho serial killer. Right. I mean, it's a

504
00:40:21.280 --> 00:40:23.840
good idea for a character, but
it's a quasi cull. This is the

505
00:40:24.280 --> 00:40:28.760
other part that's odd to me was
how did he get all of these other

506
00:40:29.679 --> 00:40:34.840
food service people to be willing to
die for his uh, you know,

507
00:40:35.079 --> 00:40:39.239
fire in the minds of chef revolution
that he has, right, it's fire

508
00:40:39.280 --> 00:40:43.719
in the minds of the of the
serial killer. Chef. Right, Well,

509
00:40:43.920 --> 00:40:47.280
the other chefs are like, you
know, cadets. Yeah, it's

510
00:40:47.440 --> 00:40:51.199
it's a it's a boot camp,
boot camp. They live in a barracks

511
00:40:51.360 --> 00:40:54.079
and the whole life is preparing food
for they live in a barracks on an

512
00:40:54.159 --> 00:40:59.239
island. Yeah, this one,
this one was my favorite of these men.

513
00:40:59.639 --> 00:41:01.880
Favorite. But I thought this one
was the funniest of these movies because

514
00:41:01.920 --> 00:41:07.079
it was because Ray Fines is like, is a great character in this right,

515
00:41:07.119 --> 00:41:12.039
and it's it's so it's a satire
in a way, right, And

516
00:41:12.039 --> 00:41:17.239
and his his assistant what's her name, Inga, no Helga, it's something

517
00:41:17.280 --> 00:41:21.559
I don't know. She's a little
Japanese woman whose name is Inga. And

518
00:41:21.639 --> 00:41:28.119
the scene where he says operate it
initiates Operation Fallen Angel, and she looks

519
00:41:28.159 --> 00:41:35.840
in the window and she goes But
I can see this. It's outlandish,

520
00:41:35.920 --> 00:41:38.000
and you wonder, why are these
people so into this? And they'd be

521
00:41:38.000 --> 00:41:42.880
willing to die. But I don't
think it's it is a stretch, but

522
00:41:43.000 --> 00:41:47.000
it's not up to that point.
It's not too far. Because number one,

523
00:41:47.079 --> 00:41:50.480
I've worked in a restaurant with a
guy with a chef who was like

524
00:41:50.559 --> 00:41:53.079
this. He was a Michelin.
Guy was in the old in New York

525
00:41:53.119 --> 00:41:57.679
and this guy he was, this
guy was the most intense. He was

526
00:41:58.400 --> 00:42:00.440
I was just a bar back in
this place and it was off Herald Square

527
00:42:00.440 --> 00:42:04.440
in New York. But you would
go in and you'd say, you know,

528
00:42:05.039 --> 00:42:07.159
I don't know, Table twelve is
asking for their you know, stick

529
00:42:07.280 --> 00:42:12.440
or whatever, and he'd say,
they're asking, they're asking, Like it

530
00:42:12.519 --> 00:42:15.679
was. Everything was intense. I
mean, this guy was intense. It

531
00:42:15.760 --> 00:42:19.599
was absolute silence in the in the
kitchen, and he was a very intense

532
00:42:19.639 --> 00:42:22.199
looking guy. And the way that
they have their you know, their little

533
00:42:22.480 --> 00:42:25.519
their barracks right where they go back. There was something they said. They

534
00:42:25.559 --> 00:42:29.679
were like, what do you do
for downtime and she was like, downtime,

535
00:42:30.039 --> 00:42:34.039
there's no down time, and the
toilets are right there, you know.

536
00:42:34.400 --> 00:42:37.119
And that was very It's boot camp, but it's also it's also like

537
00:42:37.199 --> 00:42:42.440
drama school. It's the same thing
that people are together all day, every

538
00:42:42.559 --> 00:42:49.400
day for years and they get you
get so into this thing where at dramas,

539
00:42:49.920 --> 00:42:52.079
at English drama school, they tell
you. The first thing they say

540
00:42:52.239 --> 00:42:54.719
is the guy, the main guy
comes in, the old guy who owns

541
00:42:54.760 --> 00:42:59.599
the place, and he says.
The main the main rule here is say

542
00:42:59.719 --> 00:43:02.639
yeah, say yes to everything.
It doesn't matter what it is, right,

543
00:43:02.679 --> 00:43:07.079
I mean, they're very intense and
if you say anything like what do

544
00:43:07.079 --> 00:43:08.079
you mean yet? You know,
if you ask a question, he's like,

545
00:43:08.199 --> 00:43:12.800
are you ready to leave the country. You know, it's it's like

546
00:43:12.880 --> 00:43:17.119
all or nothing. So so they
are willing to serve this guy who's he

547
00:43:17.239 --> 00:43:22.840
is at the top. But it
also has like an initiation. You know,

548
00:43:22.880 --> 00:43:27.519
they have to cross a boundary,
they have to cross the water to

549
00:43:27.559 --> 00:43:31.239
get there. They got on their
on their boat and go And Nicholas Holt

550
00:43:31.320 --> 00:43:36.360
I thought was was pretty good in
this movie because he's so pathetic, right,

551
00:43:37.000 --> 00:43:38.960
and you know that right from the
beginning, you're gonna get the mouth

552
00:43:39.000 --> 00:43:43.239
feels, he says, and she
says, don't say that. Well,

553
00:43:43.360 --> 00:43:51.480
this is about like bourgeoisie delusion on
one side and then like working class psychosis

554
00:43:52.480 --> 00:43:55.400
on the other side. So they
both have their mental illnesses, right,

555
00:43:57.320 --> 00:44:01.599
yeah, yeah, Well it's kind
of a of a lot of things.

556
00:44:01.639 --> 00:44:09.159
It's the satirizing of a society that
gets so affluent and wealthy that they're obsessed

557
00:44:09.199 --> 00:44:13.679
over you know, their foodies.
Right, I mean to have to be

558
00:44:13.760 --> 00:44:17.119
a foodie, which is what the
critic the whole character is he and he

559
00:44:17.199 --> 00:44:23.320
the food, right, he's just
a fan, he's just like a chef.

560
00:44:24.760 --> 00:44:29.320
Yes, well so that, but
he's a kind of and that's that's

561
00:44:29.320 --> 00:44:34.559
why. Yeah, that's why ray
Fine tells him to cook something and he

562
00:44:34.599 --> 00:44:37.639
fails at it, showing that he
can't do it right. But he's super

563
00:44:37.880 --> 00:44:42.800
just narcissistic, arrogant dude the whole
time, right, And so that humiliation

564
00:44:43.039 --> 00:44:45.239
was to show him, you know, hey, you you don't actually have

565
00:44:45.239 --> 00:44:50.960
the skills that you do. But
yeah, I think that's it's critiquing a

566
00:44:51.000 --> 00:44:54.360
society on a lot of levels.
But there's also the sort of trauma involved

567
00:44:54.360 --> 00:44:59.800
in it where ray Fine has snapped. And the idea, I think is

568
00:44:59.840 --> 00:45:07.000
that you can have a society that
gets so absurd and so so affluent that

569
00:45:07.119 --> 00:45:13.199
everything becomes irrational and absurd, and
that causes people to snap. They're super

570
00:45:13.199 --> 00:45:16.280
potentious, Like they're like, we're
eating the ocean. Remember, yes,

571
00:45:17.079 --> 00:45:23.800
yes, he says it's some oceanic
and he says it's some amniotic you would

572
00:45:23.800 --> 00:45:27.519
say, And she says, oh, I think oceanic is better. Right.

573
00:45:27.559 --> 00:45:31.320
They're walking on the beach, Welcome
to Hawthorn, right, So they're

574
00:45:31.320 --> 00:45:36.760
in hall. So with the hawthorn, I thought, is this is this

575
00:45:36.840 --> 00:45:38.000
going to be? Is this a
horror theme? Is this you know,

576
00:45:38.199 --> 00:45:44.840
Nathaniel Hawthorne. Is this their upper
their upper class Northeastern elites, you know?

577
00:45:45.519 --> 00:45:49.440
But then you know I was looking
into the hawthorn, right, Jamie,

578
00:45:49.480 --> 00:45:52.199
the the hawthorn and the what was
the thing the what was the name

579
00:45:52.239 --> 00:45:57.760
of the wells? Well? Yeah, yeah, so hawthorn throw was like

580
00:45:57.920 --> 00:46:02.159
cludy wells, which are like holy
sing of water. Yes, So the

581
00:46:02.199 --> 00:46:07.320
hawthorn is in Robert Graves, right, it's in It's in the White Goddess

582
00:46:08.000 --> 00:46:15.159
and he talks about the the the
the the Celtic like symbolism of the hawthorn.

583
00:46:15.719 --> 00:46:21.960
So the hawthorn is ah like the
Druids thought that the hawthorn would bleed

584
00:46:22.559 --> 00:46:24.920
and scream at a holy site,
which is kind of the same thing like

585
00:46:24.960 --> 00:46:30.280
they said about Mandragora. But the
man drake right, But and they grow

586
00:46:30.360 --> 00:46:37.000
beside this the sca wells, right, which is becomes the holy sites like

587
00:46:37.079 --> 00:46:40.960
Christian holy sites. And then the
mayflower is a hawthorn, So mayflower,

588
00:46:40.960 --> 00:46:45.000
I guess, uh. And they're
sort of on this island, and that

589
00:46:45.119 --> 00:46:50.239
I took it that they were like
in the northeast, and and so it's

590
00:46:50.280 --> 00:46:53.639
like you're going to a sacred place, right, but it's gonna be barbed

591
00:46:54.239 --> 00:47:00.280
with characters that are you know,
thorny, I guess. And and this

592
00:47:00.360 --> 00:47:04.760
isn't the You kind of go into
it thinking like this is the only time

593
00:47:04.800 --> 00:47:07.159
these people are going to this place, and it's just this one event.

594
00:47:07.239 --> 00:47:13.519
But we learned that that's the restaurant
and that they have exclusive events every now

595
00:47:13.519 --> 00:47:15.480
and again. Because the one guy
who's the CEO guy, the old guy,

596
00:47:16.079 --> 00:47:20.320
has been there eleven times. He
makes sure to tell him eleven times.

597
00:47:20.480 --> 00:47:25.840
Right there. Reminded me of that
from Gilligan's Island. Who are they?

598
00:47:27.159 --> 00:47:39.159
Yes, the angel from the Boss
Danzer there for Angela's cameo, and

599
00:47:39.199 --> 00:47:44.440
we get the finance bros. Right, So the finance bros are the wall

600
00:47:44.880 --> 00:47:47.280
you know, Wall Street Silver or
whatever is walking down the ramp and they're

601
00:47:47.320 --> 00:47:50.280
like, bro, this is gonna
be a great thing. There's gonna have

602
00:47:50.320 --> 00:47:52.840
some fucking food here or whatever.
And they get on the ferry and they

603
00:47:52.880 --> 00:47:58.400
go over and and then they turn
out too. So we'll get there.

604
00:47:58.400 --> 00:48:01.400
I guess about how it's sort of
burns. But when they walk into this,

605
00:48:01.440 --> 00:48:05.719
we obviously have these people are picked
and they were invited, and we've

606
00:48:05.719 --> 00:48:08.719
got different you know, levels,
But we don't know about Anya Taylor Joy,

607
00:48:09.239 --> 00:48:13.440
right, And like you said in
your stream, Jay, like she's

608
00:48:13.480 --> 00:48:20.360
in all these asotechnic movies, She's
in Split, She's in yeah. Yeah,

609
00:48:20.400 --> 00:48:23.119
And so when she shows up,
she says she's Margo and they're not

610
00:48:23.239 --> 00:48:27.079
expecting her. So something is off. There's always something off, right,

611
00:48:27.880 --> 00:48:31.400
Were we supposed to think that We're
supposed to think that somehow Ray Fine picked

612
00:48:31.440 --> 00:48:35.679
the people because they had slighted him
at some point in the past. Like

613
00:48:35.719 --> 00:48:42.360
these are specifically representative societal people that, in his mind were the douchebags of

614
00:48:42.480 --> 00:48:46.079
society slighted him. They represented every
group of I know that, but like,

615
00:48:46.320 --> 00:48:53.840
but how did he know to like
figure out who that that the older

616
00:48:53.880 --> 00:48:59.519
guy you know was cheating with Anya
Taylor Joy because they'd come to eat there.

617
00:49:00.199 --> 00:49:05.280
They were regulars, but they didn't
appreciate him. But I thought that

618
00:49:05.360 --> 00:49:08.480
was the first time Anya Taylor Joy
had been there because Ray Fine acted like

619
00:49:08.639 --> 00:49:15.920
she wasn't supposed to be there.
Yeah, So so everyone is picked and

620
00:49:15.079 --> 00:49:20.000
he had his date right who was
supposed to be picked, and she had

621
00:49:20.000 --> 00:49:22.639
been through We don't know this,
like if we're looking at it through their

622
00:49:22.639 --> 00:49:25.960
eyes. The customers going there,
we don't know that they've been through this

623
00:49:27.039 --> 00:49:29.679
vetting process going there, we don't. We just know that the other people

624
00:49:29.679 --> 00:49:31.400
are Oh, that's the two people, that's the three people, and they're

625
00:49:31.400 --> 00:49:35.360
big and we're going to an exclusive
event. But we don't know that they've

626
00:49:35.400 --> 00:49:38.199
been vetted because when we get there, when Anya Taylor Joy shows up,

627
00:49:38.199 --> 00:49:42.960
that's why it's a big you know
ingy or whatever is like, hmm,

628
00:49:44.480 --> 00:49:46.280
this will have to do and makes
a big deal of it, but doesn't

629
00:49:46.320 --> 00:49:51.599
say And then later Ray Fines goes
through this this is for the folks at

630
00:49:51.639 --> 00:49:55.639
home. Rain goes through this process
of trying to figure out who she is

631
00:49:55.719 --> 00:50:00.960
and what she's doing there, why
she doesn't belong. But we learned that

632
00:50:00.000 --> 00:50:05.119
the the system of getting those people
there is a kind of it's almost like

633
00:50:05.159 --> 00:50:12.039
they have their own blackmail operation going
with these But when the patties or cookies

634
00:50:12.159 --> 00:50:15.280
or pancakes or whatever they are with
the tortillas with the images, were we

635
00:50:15.320 --> 00:50:20.480
supposed to think, right, that
the older guy cheating on Samantha from Who's

636
00:50:20.519 --> 00:50:22.920
the Boss? And been there with
Annia Taylor Joy Or was this at some

637
00:50:23.039 --> 00:50:27.719
other place? No, no,
he hadn't. He hadn't been there with

638
00:50:27.760 --> 00:50:34.159
her. It was that was their
trysts, right, okay? And this

639
00:50:34.480 --> 00:50:37.760
actually this is a thing. Remember
they bring this up in the movie.

640
00:50:37.000 --> 00:50:39.639
How did you know about this?
Or whatever? And and Inga says,

641
00:50:40.679 --> 00:50:45.400
you know, here, we know
everything about our customers. And I there's

642
00:50:45.400 --> 00:50:49.239
a thing. There's a thing in
the food, the upper echelons of the

643
00:50:49.280 --> 00:50:52.719
food, foody thing. And it's
they said it. Even the name,

644
00:50:52.800 --> 00:50:57.559
the pretentious name, even matches what
it is. And it's called dream catching.

645
00:50:58.559 --> 00:51:05.239
And dream catching is where the restaurant
will tailor the specific experience to the

646
00:51:06.000 --> 00:51:10.159
tiniest whims of the elite going there. So they learn everything about their life.

647
00:51:10.280 --> 00:51:15.719
So they learned that, you know, if you know, Belinda Williams

648
00:51:15.800 --> 00:51:20.199
is going there, right, and
he's a Dutch lord. They learned,

649
00:51:20.199 --> 00:51:22.519
oh, he loved truffles when he
was four. He had a dream about

650
00:51:22.559 --> 00:51:28.679
them. So then they they provide
these experiences for well, wasn't it the

651
00:51:28.760 --> 00:51:31.559
guy, I don't know his name, you said it the guy from Renfield

652
00:51:34.480 --> 00:51:39.239
had been in communication with Rafines getting
these details set up. He said,

653
00:51:39.280 --> 00:51:43.679
we've been playing this for eight months. Remember, yes, Yes, that

654
00:51:43.920 --> 00:51:46.239
was it, and it was funny. It was if it had said nine

655
00:51:46.239 --> 00:51:49.679
months, it would have been I
guess too obvious, right, Like he

656
00:51:49.719 --> 00:51:52.760
had birthed this guy wanted a new
daddy, you know, he wanted a

657
00:51:52.840 --> 00:51:57.360
new daddy in the chef. But
it's almost like that Nicholas Holt was his

658
00:51:58.480 --> 00:52:02.199
mole, right or you know,
into these other people. Not like he

659
00:52:02.199 --> 00:52:05.760
would know about the other the lives
of the other people, but it's he's

660
00:52:05.760 --> 00:52:07.800
his snitch, right. He Everything
you want to know is going to come

661
00:52:07.800 --> 00:52:10.719
from this kid because he just wants
to please Ray Fines. And so that

662
00:52:10.880 --> 00:52:16.079
over this eight month process, it's
like you're I'm I'm birthing you as my

663
00:52:16.239 --> 00:52:22.039
son and you get to emerge at
the restaurant and then he's as in his

664
00:52:22.320 --> 00:52:27.320
chance and he flubbed it. And
that's why. Yeah, and I thought

665
00:52:27.360 --> 00:52:31.920
that was particularly clever. Would he
let him cook a mual and he totally

666
00:52:32.199 --> 00:52:37.400
messed it up? Well, that
was particularly clever because and I didn't expect

667
00:52:37.400 --> 00:52:44.280
that because he's so he's so obsessed
with food, and the like epicurean experience

668
00:52:44.440 --> 00:52:49.639
of the food that I didn't even
consider that he would want to cross over

669
00:52:49.719 --> 00:52:52.719
to the other side, which is
the providing this instead of taking that he

670
00:52:52.760 --> 00:52:55.559
would actually give that. He would
that that would even come up. But

671
00:52:55.679 --> 00:53:00.639
Ray Fines was clever in or the
character. They were clever to make that

672
00:53:00.840 --> 00:53:04.039
one of the plot points because nobody
else was given. You know, it's

673
00:53:04.079 --> 00:53:06.880
like they're on the other side of
the divide and we witness them cook,

674
00:53:07.559 --> 00:53:13.239
but we're over here and you're and
by the way, uh you know it

675
00:53:13.320 --> 00:53:17.119
is it's obviously like a Gordon Ramsey
character, right, And Nick Rushfort has

676
00:53:17.159 --> 00:53:22.519
a good all this good stuff about
Gordon Ramsey because you know, Gordon Ramsey

677
00:53:22.519 --> 00:53:25.960
will go to fix these restaurants,
right, and he'll insult them. You

678
00:53:27.000 --> 00:53:30.199
know, he walks in and he'll
insult them, and you know this plicy

679
00:53:30.280 --> 00:53:31.480
shit, right, and then they
go they go, well, you know,

680
00:53:31.559 --> 00:53:34.320
you can't talk to me like that, and he goes, I'm here

681
00:53:34.320 --> 00:53:37.840
to help you. Well, you're
gonna talk back to me. But there's

682
00:53:37.880 --> 00:53:42.719
been a spate of people who he
fixed the restaurant and then the restaurant totally

683
00:53:42.760 --> 00:53:45.960
tanked and then the people are no
longer alive. Uh, it ruined their

684
00:53:45.960 --> 00:53:50.679
life. Literally. Well, it's
like there's two or three. Yeah,

685
00:53:50.679 --> 00:53:52.639
there's too many of those episodes.
And they do have that arc like he's

686
00:53:52.679 --> 00:53:55.920
like, I'm here to help and
then they're like okay, and he gets

687
00:53:55.960 --> 00:54:00.360
in there and starts to fix things
and the people will hate it and they're

688
00:54:00.400 --> 00:54:02.280
like, we hate him. But
then at the end he turns it all

689
00:54:02.320 --> 00:54:07.599
around. They're all happy. Yeah. Yeah. So it's like it's like,

690
00:54:07.800 --> 00:54:10.599
the worst thing is Gordon Ramsey showing
up to your restaurant because even though

691
00:54:10.599 --> 00:54:14.639
it's ship, you know, you
trying to poison me, right, It's

692
00:54:14.719 --> 00:54:15.880
like, well, they do have
a clientele still, and the people are

693
00:54:15.920 --> 00:54:19.239
there. They're there for the terrible
food, but at least they're there and

694
00:54:19.280 --> 00:54:22.840
they're paying. So then he fixes
up the restaurant and then it becomes this

695
00:54:22.880 --> 00:54:27.039
place where people can't afford the new
place and it's it's on the Jersey Shore

696
00:54:27.480 --> 00:54:29.440
or whatever, and they don't want
to play for you know, they want

697
00:54:29.440 --> 00:54:34.320
to pay for Beef Wellington, right. And then two weeks after he's gone,

698
00:54:34.320 --> 00:54:37.159
it's a nice restaurant and then he
goes bankrupt and then he's ruined their

699
00:54:37.159 --> 00:54:43.159
life because now they're in debt.
One of the dudes like jump then the

700
00:54:43.199 --> 00:54:49.119
restaurant, he's got a racket.
Yeah, but no that's not but he's

701
00:54:49.119 --> 00:54:52.280
not going to buy him if they're
unsuccessful because the people don't shop there.

702
00:54:52.639 --> 00:54:59.519
I heard the Ramsey restaurant in Las
Vegas is really good. Have you ever

703
00:54:59.519 --> 00:55:05.679
seen Gordon Ramsey's Gordon Ramseys, Gordon
Ramsey. There's another guy who's Gordon Ramsey's

704
00:55:05.719 --> 00:55:09.400
guy who he's the this is the
only man who ever make Golden Ramsey cry.

705
00:55:10.320 --> 00:55:15.400
And he's a chef. He's the
enfantelerib I forget his name, somebody

706
00:55:15.400 --> 00:55:17.559
in the chat, what's that guy's
name? He's a His idol is Jim

707
00:55:17.599 --> 00:55:21.159
Morrison. He looks like when he
was younger, he looked like Jim Morrison.

708
00:55:21.239 --> 00:55:23.599
This this chef, he's English and
he you know he could he was

709
00:55:23.639 --> 00:55:30.880
a chef in France. And his
thing is that he he carries like a

710
00:55:30.960 --> 00:55:32.360
giant, you know, he carries
a blade, a cooking knife, and

711
00:55:34.119 --> 00:55:37.960
he doesn't yell like Gordon Ramsey does, but instead he's he's like, yes,

712
00:55:38.159 --> 00:55:42.719
you know I could slice you and
dice you and whip you into and

713
00:55:42.760 --> 00:55:46.360
he like waves a knife right in
your face. It's very, very intense.

714
00:55:46.519 --> 00:55:51.599
But there's a clip of it on
YouTube where Gordon Ramsey's young in his

715
00:55:51.760 --> 00:55:54.679
kitchen and the guy's like, you'll
never be a chef, you'll shit,

716
00:55:55.280 --> 00:56:00.159
and Gordon Ramsey cries, and so
that's that's Gordon. That these guys so

717
00:56:00.639 --> 00:56:05.599
fancy chefs apparently have my goodral handlers
is the thing we're learning, which I

718
00:56:05.599 --> 00:56:07.079
had no idea of that. I
never heard of this. I guess it

719
00:56:07.119 --> 00:56:10.199
makes sense that Julia Child was in
the OSS, so I guess the food

720
00:56:10.239 --> 00:56:15.679
world is run by him. Kal
Well, the critic in the movie The

721
00:56:15.760 --> 00:56:22.840
Lady at the Table, her sin
on the tortilla was getting other restaurants shut

722
00:56:22.880 --> 00:56:29.559
down, Like right, yes,
cleboy Whiteboard says Marco, it's Marco Pierre

723
00:56:29.559 --> 00:56:32.800
white Yeah, and he still has
shows. He's a he's a cool he's

724
00:56:32.880 --> 00:56:37.440
kind of a you know how Anthony
Bourdain was one of these guys in a

725
00:56:37.480 --> 00:56:39.440
different respect. He was a writer
and stuff, you know, but this

726
00:56:39.599 --> 00:56:45.000
all fault Terry and actually, uh
Ray Fines brings that up. That's one

727
00:56:45.000 --> 00:56:49.119
of his points, he says,
you know, it's when he has the

728
00:56:49.239 --> 00:56:54.840
Sioux chef come up and he says
he will never be great. He's very

729
00:56:54.880 --> 00:56:59.199
good, but he will do you
want my life? And the guy's like,

730
00:56:59.280 --> 00:57:00.519
no, chef, because he says, to be in this position,

731
00:57:00.679 --> 00:57:05.239
you have to sacrifice everything, right, You have to give your blood,

732
00:57:05.239 --> 00:57:07.719
sweat and tears. You sacrifice your
body, your relationships, your everything to

733
00:57:07.800 --> 00:57:13.119
please people that you will never see
and you will never meet again. And

734
00:57:13.239 --> 00:57:20.079
so the sin for the woman,
right is that she she supports him when

735
00:57:20.079 --> 00:57:25.760
he's great, but she also tears
down everyone from this ivory tower. And

736
00:57:27.000 --> 00:57:31.079
the same thing occurs in that movie
Birdman. Actually he confronts the critic in

737
00:57:31.159 --> 00:57:37.119
the bar in that movie, the
Michael Keaton movie. But yeah, so

738
00:57:38.480 --> 00:57:44.360
what were you gonna say, Jamie? Now, I was thinking about Bourdain,

739
00:57:44.519 --> 00:57:45.639
But I was thinking that, you
know, some people will speculate that

740
00:57:45.679 --> 00:57:50.159
he might have had some intelligence work
that he was doing under this cover of

741
00:57:50.199 --> 00:57:55.800
being this traveling eating shitty food person
or whatever whatever his job was. I

742
00:57:55.840 --> 00:57:59.119
don't know. I mean, it
seems plausible and if that's true, but

743
00:57:59.760 --> 00:58:01.079
he did had had these weird connections, and we did a boiler room on

744
00:58:01.119 --> 00:58:07.079
it back at the time where he
was pretty close to Dario Argento's daughter,

745
00:58:07.159 --> 00:58:08.679
and they had these I think they
were dating, right, and they had

746
00:58:08.719 --> 00:58:13.920
these weird, occultic looking foods and
they had tasted of like, you know,

747
00:58:14.000 --> 00:58:16.679
cannibal type things. So there was
really weird stuff going on with with

748
00:58:16.800 --> 00:58:22.280
Bourdain. But but he's not technically
a chef. So I was just trying

749
00:58:22.320 --> 00:58:27.960
to think of connections between the chef
world and really a child's only one I

750
00:58:27.960 --> 00:58:31.480
could think of. He he was
he was a chef. He was,

751
00:58:32.000 --> 00:58:36.480
Yeah, he was. He has
that in the book called Kitchen Confidential.

752
00:58:36.599 --> 00:58:40.000
There's a movie with Bradley Cooper where
he plays that character. And so what

753
00:58:40.079 --> 00:58:45.840
happened with Bourdain was that he was
became a chef in New York. He

754
00:58:45.880 --> 00:58:51.199
spent half the time in France,
and then he like he was a you

755
00:58:51.239 --> 00:58:52.320
know, he was a bad boy
chef. So he got I think he

756
00:58:52.360 --> 00:58:57.079
was a hero He got addicted to
heroin and he was into drugs, and

757
00:58:57.119 --> 00:59:00.840
then as his penance, he went
down to like New Orleans and he shocked

758
00:59:00.920 --> 00:59:04.800
you know, five million oysters or
whatever, and then started from the bottom

759
00:59:04.800 --> 00:59:07.159
again. But yeah, it is
weird that in the show he's like,

760
00:59:07.760 --> 00:59:13.000
yeah, I'm here with Papa Doc
right in Haiti and we're yeah or whatever.

761
00:59:13.119 --> 00:59:15.599
You know, Well, there's a
thing where they ate brains. I

762
00:59:15.599 --> 00:59:17.039
mean, it was all kinds of
crazy stuff. We did a whole boiler

763
00:59:17.079 --> 00:59:22.679
room on it. I wasn't laughing
at Boordina, I was laughing at I

764
00:59:22.719 --> 00:59:30.880
thought Guy Fieri was the renegade chef. He's probably on our side of things,

765
00:59:30.960 --> 00:59:34.519
right, He's like, yeah,
we're going into Richmond, Virginia.

766
00:59:34.519 --> 00:59:38.719
We're gonna eat a shitty burger.
Right. Well, that's another thing with

767
00:59:38.000 --> 00:59:45.360
the class warfare theme is that he
serves no bread because bread is for common

768
00:59:45.400 --> 00:59:52.159
people, but also like bread is
for religious purposes like daily bread and communion

769
00:59:52.199 --> 00:59:59.480
bread. Right, so yeah,
so you and so you'll get no bread.

770
01:00:00.360 --> 01:00:05.360
Just the little dots of color on
the well. He was making a

771
01:00:05.360 --> 01:00:07.960
statement of like oh yeah, he's
sort of throwing it in the face of

772
01:00:08.000 --> 01:00:12.559
the elite. Yeah, oh,
you're too good for bread. We won't

773
01:00:12.559 --> 01:00:15.480
be serving you bread because you're Yeah, that's how I imagine the bread.

774
01:00:19.320 --> 01:00:23.039
There's a that scene reminded me of
the scene at the start of the American

775
01:00:23.079 --> 01:00:25.559
Psycho movie, and it's it's in
the book as well, but in the

776
01:00:25.559 --> 01:00:29.880
movie, Uh, they begin the
they begin the film with that, which

777
01:00:29.920 --> 01:00:34.320
is they're playing classical music and it's
like drizzle on the plate like it's an

778
01:00:34.360 --> 01:00:37.119
artwork, right, And that was
that was at the time when eighties New

779
01:00:37.199 --> 01:00:40.480
York food was like minimalist. And
then they say, you know, you

780
01:00:40.519 --> 01:00:45.000
know the the charcoal larugula and the
mud soup is And so Bateman makes a

781
01:00:45.039 --> 01:00:52.519
habit of quoting food reviews, like
as part of the plot in the film,

782
01:00:52.559 --> 01:00:55.280
and so he speaks through music reviews
and food reviews because that speaks to

783
01:00:55.480 --> 01:01:01.320
the elite and what the other people
can't can't partake in. Yeah, yeah,

784
01:01:01.400 --> 01:01:06.440
that's want to go to No can
do? Got an eight thirty rands

785
01:01:06.480 --> 01:01:09.760
at dorseas the orchid savice? Right, have you ever heard of that food

786
01:01:09.840 --> 01:01:15.199
Ordelan? You know that is that's
probably the most decadent food. Orderlon Ordelan

787
01:01:15.480 --> 01:01:22.760
is Orderlon is a bird and to
eat it, they they like they like

788
01:01:22.280 --> 01:01:28.280
drown the bird in amorato and then
they like resuscitate the bird and then you

789
01:01:28.280 --> 01:01:32.239
you you eat the bird with a
napkin over your head. I'm not kidding,

790
01:01:34.039 --> 01:01:37.960
yeah, like you because just to
hide your sin, that's it.

791
01:01:38.199 --> 01:01:43.599
It's literally they do this in France
at the eyeswad Chut parties, they have

792
01:01:43.679 --> 01:01:46.280
a you can look it up.
They have a a napkin over their head

793
01:01:46.320 --> 01:01:49.880
and they're eating at the table and
the bird is like they're eating under the

794
01:01:49.960 --> 01:01:52.800
napkin. It's one of the decadents. It reminds me too of like of

795
01:01:52.800 --> 01:01:57.800
those elite parties you see where there's
naked bodies laid out with the food on

796
01:01:57.840 --> 01:02:00.239
the body. And so it's sort
of like one theme that we're going to

797
01:02:00.320 --> 01:02:05.159
see in this. And what I
think is in the menu is that the

798
01:02:05.199 --> 01:02:10.440
elite class is predatory and so because
they're feeding like credators on the working class

799
01:02:10.519 --> 01:02:15.480
and so forth, then Ray Fine
was to teach a lesson and say that

800
01:02:15.559 --> 01:02:19.199
you know, I'm going to feed
on you. I'm basically going to make

801
01:02:19.239 --> 01:02:23.440
you all intomores. So yeah,
somebody just posted a picture of a party

802
01:02:23.480 --> 01:02:29.519
that Neil Patrick Harris had back in
the day when Amy Winehouse died, and

803
01:02:29.639 --> 01:02:31.599
there was like a life sized cake
that looked like her corpse and it was

804
01:02:31.639 --> 01:02:37.639
all zombie. It was really macab
Yeah. Yeah, there was the Marinka

805
01:02:37.800 --> 01:02:40.639
the Marinka party. Oh will produce
this, by the way. Yeah,

806
01:02:42.360 --> 01:02:47.840
remember he was he was yeah,
he was at the Cakes of Light human

807
01:02:47.880 --> 01:02:54.239
heads at the tables. Yeah thing
and what's another thing? So so it's

808
01:02:54.239 --> 01:03:00.039
continuous, like its confidence. It's
funny because Ania Taylor Joyce character, he

809
01:03:00.119 --> 01:03:02.480
starts off and he says, he
has this monologue. Right, he comes

810
01:03:02.519 --> 01:03:08.039
in and he right, he claps
as the start of the ceremony, and

811
01:03:08.039 --> 01:03:14.920
and he says, tonight, you
do not eat, salivate, bloviate like

812
01:03:14.960 --> 01:03:17.360
he you know whatever. And then
when he comes over to her and he

813
01:03:17.400 --> 01:03:20.880
confronts her, you haven't eaten a
thing, she says, but you told

814
01:03:20.920 --> 01:03:22.760
me not to eat. But I
thought was pretty good, because you know

815
01:03:22.800 --> 01:03:25.159
what I mean, he's thrown off, he's thrown off card. So I

816
01:03:25.159 --> 01:03:29.519
think at that point he knows you
don't belong here because he's not used to

817
01:03:29.920 --> 01:03:36.800
like common man sass. He's used
to be weird man and well, but

818
01:03:36.840 --> 01:03:40.440
the elite are very picky and you
know they wouldn't act that way, right,

819
01:03:42.400 --> 01:03:45.679
Yeah. And what's her name in
the movie, Uh, forget her

820
01:03:45.760 --> 01:03:52.360
character's name, it's you know whatever, Yeah, yeah, yeah, Morgan.

821
01:03:53.199 --> 01:03:57.960
She's like, what's Margo? Margo? Yes, yes, Margot,

822
01:03:57.960 --> 01:04:00.039
Margot, Robbie. He says,
what's your name? She says Margot Robbie

823
01:04:00.039 --> 01:04:03.920
and he says, I've fed a
lot of Margot Robbie's and you're no Margo.

824
01:04:04.239 --> 01:04:11.280
Right. She has the bearing of
someone who does not is doesn't belong

825
01:04:11.320 --> 01:04:15.280
because she doesn't acquiesce to the ritual
and the you know of this like ceremony

826
01:04:15.280 --> 01:04:20.519
they're involved in. And the Hollywood
guy, right, John Legwy's almost there

827
01:04:20.559 --> 01:04:26.559
and he's a that was great because
his beef with him is he says,

828
01:04:26.840 --> 01:04:30.559
my one day off in thirty three
years, I decided to go to the

829
01:04:30.599 --> 01:04:36.159
cinema and I saw a film mister
Sunshine. It was not sunny, yeah,

830
01:04:36.239 --> 01:04:41.159
right? And then and then his
assistant, right, who's the girl?

831
01:04:41.440 --> 01:04:44.320
And they admit that they've been stealing
from each other, right is in

832
01:04:44.360 --> 01:04:46.559
their admission of guilt towards the end
of the film. But he says to

833
01:04:46.599 --> 01:04:50.639
her, she says, why am
I here? And he's like, you

834
01:04:50.679 --> 01:04:54.760
went to Brown University and she says
yes, And he said, did you

835
01:04:54.760 --> 01:04:57.960
take out student loans? And she
says yes, and he says you're gone,

836
01:04:58.480 --> 01:05:02.239
right, She said yeah, yeah, but she said no, yeah,

837
01:05:02.280 --> 01:05:06.679
well yeah, because if she needed
loans and she was working class,

838
01:05:06.760 --> 01:05:10.360
right, makes sense? Yeah,
So he said it's over for you.

839
01:05:10.639 --> 01:05:15.800
Yeah, and they were just like, yeah, I guess so, yes.

840
01:05:15.079 --> 01:05:18.440
Yeah. The lady outside, who's
the lady from Ozark. Remember she

841
01:05:18.519 --> 01:05:21.079
was the lawyer. I don't know
if you guys seen an Ozark, but

842
01:05:21.159 --> 01:05:24.480
she's the lawyer for the cartel.
You know. She says, we're going

843
01:05:24.519 --> 01:05:27.480
to die tonight, and the simp
says, oh, definitely, yeah,

844
01:05:27.880 --> 01:05:30.559
And that's when they go into the
most Dangerous game, which I thought was

845
01:05:30.920 --> 01:05:34.920
interesting because they walked outside, let's
take the night there. Man, you

846
01:05:35.039 --> 01:05:39.239
have a forty five second head start, so it becomes the most dangerous I

847
01:05:39.280 --> 01:05:43.760
thought they were going to kill him
there, and you know, so now

848
01:05:43.800 --> 01:05:48.480
we're hunting human beings. Well,
it's interesting that when the guy on the

849
01:05:48.559 --> 01:05:54.800
lives himself, they don't really believe
it's happening, Like the whole time,

850
01:05:55.440 --> 01:05:59.559
it doesn't occur to them that this
is actually real because they've been privileged.

851
01:06:00.119 --> 01:06:02.360
Yeah, everything is sort of oh, it's part of the performance, right,

852
01:06:03.079 --> 01:06:06.039
yeah, yes, no, this
is the performance. Even though there

853
01:06:06.119 --> 01:06:14.360
is a guy who's right like,
yeah, right, yeah, there's it's

854
01:06:14.360 --> 01:06:17.039
okay, there's a there's a there's
a Hollywood guy there, right, and

855
01:06:17.159 --> 01:06:20.679
he's like what are you talking about? This is not a perform and it

856
01:06:20.800 --> 01:06:25.960
is a performance. I mean it
is a performance. And the way that

857
01:06:26.199 --> 01:06:30.400
the way that like when he does
that, they have a matt laid out

858
01:06:30.440 --> 01:06:33.840
on the ground like with sprinkles of
sprigs of you know, like that's the

859
01:06:33.920 --> 01:06:39.840
plate right, his little his speech, you know, his mother is there,

860
01:06:40.519 --> 01:06:45.000
right, and he tells that story
about the awful story about you know,

861
01:06:45.039 --> 01:06:50.239
my father had a telephone cord,
right, and they serve the chicken

862
01:06:50.280 --> 01:06:54.599
with scissors in it like on the
telephone cord. But it's sufficing to say.

863
01:06:54.639 --> 01:06:57.119
All that happens. And then he
gives her, He gives Margot a

864
01:06:57.239 --> 01:07:01.360
chance right to go and get the
whatever. So she gets she leaves the

865
01:07:01.440 --> 01:07:08.480
home and goes and finds the CB
radio, which is also another element of

866
01:07:08.559 --> 01:07:10.960
tricking them, right. You know, you think you're gonna get help,

867
01:07:11.000 --> 01:07:15.599
but you know you're all gonna die
here. And that's when she she kills

868
01:07:15.760 --> 01:07:17.960
Inga or whatever. Who. Now, now there's a power struggle, so

869
01:07:18.480 --> 01:07:26.519
his assistant thinks she's going to take
her place. And then there's the Fallen

870
01:07:26.559 --> 01:07:32.159
Angel ceremony right with the Peter Thiel
Angel investor who there are no substitutions.

871
01:07:32.519 --> 01:07:38.199
Oh yeah, yes, he dared
to. You know, he was investing.

872
01:07:38.280 --> 01:07:44.440
He kept them going through Karunka and
he dared to ask for substitutions right

873
01:07:44.519 --> 01:07:47.000
with his meal. How dare he? One thing I didn't understand. Also,

874
01:07:47.280 --> 01:07:51.079
you could probably help me understand this
from a narrative perspective, is why

875
01:07:51.199 --> 01:07:59.440
did he tell the one of the
underling chef ladies that she could stab him

876
01:07:59.480 --> 01:08:01.719
in the leg because he tried to
sleep with her and she said no,

877
01:08:02.960 --> 01:08:06.960
this is it just to show that
he's kind of an an unhinged character,

878
01:08:08.039 --> 01:08:11.440
but he has this weird sense of
justice. Why do you think he did

879
01:08:11.480 --> 01:08:14.599
that? Because they used the scissors
to do that? Yeah, I thought

880
01:08:14.639 --> 01:08:16.840
that that was his So so,
first of all, he's the father to

881
01:08:17.000 --> 01:08:20.920
these people who kind of worship him
like a father, right, And that's

882
01:08:21.319 --> 01:08:27.039
so it's a mirror of what he
did to his father. It's also it's

883
01:08:27.079 --> 01:08:30.279
a penance because he shows and he
has no pain. Remember he talks about

884
01:08:30.279 --> 01:08:34.359
how I can grab a scalding hand
and fire. He can grab fire and

885
01:08:34.760 --> 01:08:38.399
I feel no pain. But I
also thought it was weird the last time

886
01:08:38.399 --> 01:08:41.800
I watched it, I thought there
was some sort of weird kind of like

887
01:08:41.880 --> 01:08:45.800
almost like a fisher king symbolism here, like because they're on this island and

888
01:08:45.079 --> 01:08:50.199
it's abundant and the fisher king in
the in the Arthurian legend, the fisher

889
01:08:50.319 --> 01:08:55.880
king is stabbed in the thigh or
in the or in the groin, and

890
01:08:56.039 --> 01:09:00.159
he has to be rejuvenated, you
know, through the Holy Grail and when

891
01:09:00.399 --> 01:09:04.960
when when he it comes back,
when he experiences life again, which is

892
01:09:05.039 --> 01:09:09.960
in the Arthurian you know lore,
it's a it's a spiritual life. He

893
01:09:10.680 --> 01:09:13.439
partakes. I think the grail is
the Eucharist. When he partakes of the

894
01:09:13.439 --> 01:09:15.319
euchars, like the land will grow. But in this it becomes more of

895
01:09:15.439 --> 01:09:20.640
like a they're clear like wicker Man
illusions in this to me because because the

896
01:09:20.800 --> 01:09:27.640
place is abundant because of him,
but also it's but now at this point,

897
01:09:27.720 --> 01:09:29.840
like he's stabbed in the thigh and
there's going to be death, so

898
01:09:30.199 --> 01:09:32.880
the fruits of his labor are death. In this everyone's gonna die. And

899
01:09:33.039 --> 01:09:38.199
the end of the film is a
self immolation, right, it's a like

900
01:09:38.279 --> 01:09:43.960
almost like a pagan sacrifice of these
people, so that everything burns and then

901
01:09:44.000 --> 01:09:47.000
she gets she's she leaves to tell
that, which is like classical, very

902
01:09:47.039 --> 01:09:51.239
classical. That she gets to leave
and she's the one to tell the story

903
01:09:51.640 --> 01:09:56.039
of the thing that happened. We
see the flames and the reflection of her

904
01:09:56.079 --> 01:10:00.560
eyes when she leaves, and that
was very clever. How they did that

905
01:10:00.800 --> 01:10:05.359
right, How she appeals to his
sense of innocence and joy and making for

906
01:10:05.479 --> 01:10:10.319
there's no joy. She says,
it's all an intellectual activity. Well,

907
01:10:10.359 --> 01:10:15.720
it's also we were talking about meals
as covenant. In Biblical theology and traditional

908
01:10:16.079 --> 01:10:21.239
Western religion, meals are seen as
you know, with the divinity. You're

909
01:10:21.279 --> 01:10:26.439
even in a sense partaking of the
Divinity in terms of the Lord's Supper and

910
01:10:26.520 --> 01:10:30.840
whatnot. Here we have also a
meal that is a cursed meal, and

911
01:10:30.920 --> 01:10:32.439
you get this in the New Testament
as well, where Paul says, if

912
01:10:32.439 --> 01:10:38.720
you partake of the Eucharist unworthily,
you partake too death and two damnation to

913
01:10:38.880 --> 01:10:42.800
destruction, so you can actually have
a cursed meal. And in the Old

914
01:10:42.880 --> 01:10:45.960
Testament there's a situation where if Israel, or one of the cities in Israel,

915
01:10:45.960 --> 01:10:50.520
if they fell into certain types of
extreme idolatry, the city was to

916
01:10:50.640 --> 01:10:55.760
be Hormah, which is a burnt
offering, which is to be burned up

917
01:10:55.880 --> 01:11:01.279
basically, So burnt offering is another
type of ritual offering, like a covenental

918
01:11:01.399 --> 01:11:06.800
meal. And here I think that
this is the culmination of like these people

919
01:11:06.840 --> 01:11:12.239
are cursed and so they're undergoing a
kind of burnt offering. Right. It's

920
01:11:12.279 --> 01:11:16.039
also in an island, which is
interesting because a lot of times these the

921
01:11:16.359 --> 01:11:20.840
especially most dangerous game themes play out
on islands. The island is I mean

922
01:11:20.960 --> 01:11:25.359
in the in the short story,
that's specifically what it is. He he

923
01:11:26.680 --> 01:11:30.119
the guy falls off a boat.
He crosses over the boundary, over the

924
01:11:30.199 --> 01:11:33.800
chasm the abyss, right into this
new world that is a The guy wants

925
01:11:33.880 --> 01:11:36.159
to make it like a Zaroff,
I think is the name. He wants

926
01:11:36.199 --> 01:11:41.199
to make it like a like a
neo gnostic, you know, a neogenesis

927
01:11:41.239 --> 01:11:44.159
where he controls everything. Right,
and well, it's the same thing in

928
01:11:44.239 --> 01:11:47.000
the Island of Doctor Moreau too,
yes, yeah, yeah, And the

929
01:11:47.680 --> 01:11:51.840
I suppose it's like I don't know, or the island right, or or

930
01:11:53.399 --> 01:11:55.520
or even the Hunger games. Right, It's a place, it's an other

931
01:11:55.680 --> 01:11:58.800
place. It's it's other, it's
apart from everyone else, and you have

932
01:11:58.880 --> 01:12:01.880
to go no one has access to
it. It's a it's it's isolated.

933
01:12:02.840 --> 01:12:08.600
Why did you say chefs can be
assassin What does that mean? Just that

934
01:12:08.760 --> 01:12:13.000
chefs can have can poison people.
And the ancient medieval world poisoning people was,

935
01:12:13.479 --> 01:12:15.279
you know, a very common way
to get rid of people. And

936
01:12:15.439 --> 01:12:19.720
so you had to have food tasters
at court because it was so common that

937
01:12:19.880 --> 01:12:23.680
the nobility in kings and queens can
be poisoned, that there was a guy

938
01:12:23.880 --> 01:12:30.880
tasked with specifically being the person that
tasted the king's food. It's an Hamlet,

939
01:12:30.000 --> 01:12:32.880
I mean in Hamlet, it's the
it's the poison pearl in the wine.

940
01:12:33.880 --> 01:12:38.439
There's you know, Shakespeare read a
play about I mean Tdys Sandronicas has

941
01:12:38.479 --> 01:12:43.199
this as a play where the climax
of the play is that he gets back

942
01:12:43.239 --> 01:12:48.840
at the at the woman by hers, the Gothic woman. Her sons have

943
01:12:49.119 --> 01:12:54.640
told they've done something to his daughter. They cut off her hands, replaced

944
01:12:54.640 --> 01:12:57.439
them with tree stumps, and then
cut out her tongue so she couldn't tell

945
01:12:57.920 --> 01:13:01.079
who did it to her. So
they can you to live right there in

946
01:13:01.239 --> 01:13:04.199
the in the court with her.
And so when Titus finds out about it,

947
01:13:04.279 --> 01:13:08.720
finally he has them killed, and
then he bakes them into pies and

948
01:13:08.800 --> 01:13:11.760
then feeds them to her mother.
This is in Shakespeare. Feeds it to

949
01:13:11.840 --> 01:13:14.920
her mother who eats it, and
he says, you're reading your son basically.

950
01:13:15.399 --> 01:13:21.600
And I actually thought with this movie, I thought I thought that this

951
01:13:21.760 --> 01:13:24.880
was the way the movie was going
to go when I saw the trailers for

952
01:13:24.960 --> 01:13:26.439
the movie when it first came out, I said, oh, this is

953
01:13:26.439 --> 01:13:29.960
a clearly cannibal movie, you know, But it didn't turn out that way.

954
01:13:30.399 --> 01:13:32.039
It was more of a it is
but it's figurative, you know.

955
01:13:32.239 --> 01:13:36.680
Yeah, Well, it's about eating
the rich, right, It's like clast

956
01:13:36.760 --> 01:13:42.600
warfare, and the rich can never
be satisfied because he spent his whole life

957
01:13:42.680 --> 01:13:46.840
trying to please strangers and you never
can because that class of people, it's

958
01:13:46.960 --> 01:13:51.039
just you can't please them. Well, he realizes they're psychopaths in a way,

959
01:13:51.239 --> 01:13:56.000
or there's there are kind of like
many psychopaths, and so he snaps

960
01:13:56.000 --> 01:13:59.439
and it's like, I'm gonna out
psychopath them all and I'm going to show

961
01:13:59.479 --> 01:14:02.720
them what are the true psychopath is
because I have the will to do what

962
01:14:02.880 --> 01:14:09.039
these people couldn't even do. Yeah, it's interesting how she resolved it.

963
01:14:09.119 --> 01:14:11.800
I mean the cheeseburger scene is,
first of all, this is the best

964
01:14:11.880 --> 01:14:17.000
cheeseburger I've ever seen since pulp fiction, right with the big It made me

965
01:14:17.119 --> 01:14:21.319
hungry to yeah, the Wally burger, right, so she says, she

966
01:14:21.399 --> 01:14:25.279
says, I want a cheeseburger,
and his responses, I'll make you the

967
01:14:25.319 --> 01:14:35.560
best chease burger. She's like,
I have cheeseburger and live where'd you get

968
01:14:35.600 --> 01:14:44.680
it? McDonald's. Wendy's big to
Huna Burger because she's reminding him of the

969
01:14:44.760 --> 01:14:47.359
best time in his life when he
was just a cheeseburger maker, remember,

970
01:14:48.119 --> 01:14:51.960
because she saw the picture of him
flipping burgers all happy, smiling. Yeah,

971
01:14:53.600 --> 01:14:57.520
so that's when he was actually cooking
food with happiness. And now all

972
01:14:57.600 --> 01:15:00.399
of the joy is taken out of
it. And they even make point to

973
01:15:00.640 --> 01:15:06.600
say that you don't cook with the
most important ingredient, and she's like,

974
01:15:06.800 --> 01:15:15.199
we always cook with love, right
right, yes, yes, yes,

975
01:15:15.920 --> 01:15:21.039
we have cooked. So Anya tails
Door had to figure out his game and

976
01:15:21.159 --> 01:15:25.560
his psyche, right yes, and
that's how she ends up saved. She's

977
01:15:25.600 --> 01:15:30.079
the only one that makes it out. But I still didn't exactly understand what

978
01:15:30.239 --> 01:15:31.760
she figured out. I mean,
she figured out he's working class and that

979
01:15:31.880 --> 01:15:35.880
he could never please these people and
he didn't get respect that he felt like

980
01:15:35.960 --> 01:15:43.880
he always deserved. But how how
did what she asked for get her off

981
01:15:43.920 --> 01:15:47.000
of the island? Well, because
because when first of all, they have

982
01:15:47.119 --> 01:15:49.640
to go to the other place to
get there, right, So that's far

983
01:15:49.720 --> 01:15:53.359
into her, is it? Because
let me ask you, this is it

984
01:15:53.479 --> 01:15:57.560
because she figured out that his happiest
time, like you said, was when

985
01:15:57.600 --> 01:16:00.119
he was cooking hamburgers when he was
young, and then he got into being

986
01:16:00.119 --> 01:16:03.279
an elite chef and he's miserable because
he can never please these people. But

987
01:16:03.359 --> 01:16:06.560
he pleased the people when he was
just feeding the working class hamburger exactly.

988
01:16:06.680 --> 01:16:11.680
And so the rich people represent the
ruin of his art I see, and

989
01:16:11.800 --> 01:16:15.600
the waste of his life. She
figured that out. Yeah, yeah,

990
01:16:15.720 --> 01:16:18.039
and she stands up to him.
It's funny how she stands up to him,

991
01:16:18.039 --> 01:16:23.279
because she says, I don't like
your food, and no one says

992
01:16:23.319 --> 01:16:26.920
that to him, Yeah, especially
in these elite circles. Yeah. Yeah,

993
01:16:27.000 --> 01:16:30.439
So she confronts him and you can
see that he respects her for saying

994
01:16:30.479 --> 01:16:31.279
it. He's like, what about
it, don't you like? And then

995
01:16:31.319 --> 01:16:33.840
she asks, He says, we
can make you anything, and you know

996
01:16:33.960 --> 01:16:38.000
he's telling the truth. They can
make anything. They have access to access

997
01:16:38.039 --> 01:16:40.680
to anything, and they make it
there, right, so they can feed

998
01:16:40.800 --> 01:16:45.760
anybody anything anywhere. And she says, I want a cheeseburg, which no

999
01:16:45.880 --> 01:16:47.840
one ever asked for at this place. And then when she says, oh,

1000
01:16:48.000 --> 01:16:51.600
you know, she uses all of
the normal language that we do when

1001
01:16:51.640 --> 01:16:54.920
we go to a place that these
people never do, which is now,

1002
01:16:55.039 --> 01:16:57.359
you know, my eyes were bigger
than my stomach. Do you think I

1003
01:16:57.399 --> 01:17:00.720
could take it? You know?
Can I get a doggie bag? You

1004
01:17:00.800 --> 01:17:03.039
can imagine like you could. No
one says that to this guy, right,

1005
01:17:03.119 --> 01:17:08.920
a doggie bag, he says,
you know, so I think we

1006
01:17:09.000 --> 01:17:12.720
can box. Even when she says
she says uh, he says, would

1007
01:17:12.720 --> 01:17:15.760
you like fries with that? And
she's like yes, and he's like crinkled

1008
01:17:15.840 --> 01:17:20.119
cut. He says, crinkled cut, yeah, or Julia is the friar

1009
01:17:20.239 --> 01:17:26.920
still on right? Yeah? Yes? Yes, So that's her way and

1010
01:17:27.039 --> 01:17:29.560
you can see it in his eyes. I really like Ray Fines. I

1011
01:17:29.600 --> 01:17:35.359
mean, he's he's uh. What's
interesting about this is that Ray finds Ray

1012
01:17:35.399 --> 01:17:40.600
Fines went to Rada the Royal Academy
of Dramatic Art. He's an Oscar winning

1013
01:17:40.680 --> 01:17:44.680
actor. He's a he's a he's
a state. He's an English stage actor.

1014
01:17:44.840 --> 01:17:47.000
He was known for playing Hamlet when
he was younger. He and Daniel

1015
01:17:47.039 --> 01:17:51.439
d Lewis both had these attacks on
stage in the West End London of uh

1016
01:17:51.640 --> 01:17:57.520
seeing their dead father on stage as
the ghost of Hamlet and having like a

1017
01:17:57.560 --> 01:18:01.319
sort of mental breakdown. But it's
interesting because he's also British establishment. His

1018
01:18:01.600 --> 01:18:11.000
his uncle is Ranolph Finds who was
British sas and was a member of that

1019
01:18:11.239 --> 01:18:15.520
secret club. It's a stupid day. But they're called the Feathermen, and

1020
01:18:15.640 --> 01:18:23.640
the Feathermen is a group of X
S a S guys who are contracted out

1021
01:18:23.680 --> 01:18:26.880
to places and look after each other
and because they write their things on with

1022
01:18:27.000 --> 01:18:30.920
a feather quill pen and at their
meetings. That movie killer this is real.

1023
01:18:30.960 --> 01:18:33.439
There's a there's a movie killer elite. A lot of people see,

1024
01:18:33.600 --> 01:18:41.520
yes, that's that's him. He's
Chopher Lee in this. I don't know

1025
01:18:42.079 --> 01:18:45.279
he might have been well, you
know he was a s S. Yeah,

1026
01:18:45.079 --> 01:18:53.079
yeah, yeah, did you know
that one of the fine it's one

1027
01:18:53.119 --> 01:18:56.119
of the fine. There's another one
not Joe Joseph. I think there's a

1028
01:18:56.199 --> 01:19:00.199
third one, and he's orthodox iant
to know that. Yeah, one of

1029
01:19:00.239 --> 01:19:02.800
them converted years ago, and it's
either Joseph or the other one. Yeah,

1030
01:19:04.239 --> 01:19:06.920
yeah, Joseph. Joseph was in
Shakespeare in Love. He was,

1031
01:19:08.640 --> 01:19:12.279
he's he's a good actor. But
but Ray Fins and you know, Ray

1032
01:19:12.359 --> 01:19:18.039
Finds made his he made his role
in in the Schindler movie, right as

1033
01:19:18.079 --> 01:19:21.840
the ultimate bad guy. He's a
you know, he's a I don't know,

1034
01:19:21.920 --> 01:19:28.159
I like him, yeah, yes, yes, uh, he's great

1035
01:19:28.239 --> 01:19:30.760
because this this isn't really i mean
just from an acting thing, this isn't

1036
01:19:30.840 --> 01:19:34.600
like a ironically, it's not like
a meaty role. Right, There's not

1037
01:19:34.760 --> 01:19:40.319
a lot for him to do.
He's in one place the whole movie.

1038
01:19:40.439 --> 01:19:43.239
He has like an office scene with
her, and you know, there's not

1039
01:19:43.319 --> 01:19:46.479
a lot going on, so it's
almost like a play. But everything is

1040
01:19:46.520 --> 01:19:50.840
sort of packed into his character,
almost like the flavors that's probably too far,

1041
01:19:50.960 --> 01:19:55.439
but like packed into the food,
right, I mean, so you

1042
01:19:55.520 --> 01:20:00.279
see it in his eyes. And
it's interesting because most of these characters that

1043
01:20:00.359 --> 01:20:02.359
are like these psychopath characters and films, it's like they have this dead eyed

1044
01:20:02.920 --> 01:20:09.039
you know, black pupiled look,
but he doesn't have that in this so

1045
01:20:09.640 --> 01:20:12.960
so any anyway, in the end, the place blows up and she gets

1046
01:20:12.960 --> 01:20:17.560
away and she keeps her humanity.
I suppose what do you think is the

1047
01:20:17.840 --> 01:20:25.039
overall point of the satire here?
Well, I think that I think it's

1048
01:20:25.760 --> 01:20:28.439
the class warfare is I think there
are a number of elements. One there's

1049
01:20:28.479 --> 01:20:33.039
there's class warfare, but it's almost
like a meta satire of class warfare where

1050
01:20:34.399 --> 01:20:39.920
it's it almost seems to be so
obvious in the film that it twists back

1051
01:20:39.960 --> 01:20:42.920
on itself. And I don't really
know how to explain that other than to

1052
01:20:42.960 --> 01:20:50.920
say that, like that just because
the working class hero woman ah, and

1053
01:20:51.039 --> 01:20:55.720
she's like truly working, she's a
working girl, right, just because she

1054
01:20:57.439 --> 01:21:00.760
wins in the end, doesn't mean
that she win ends and that we see

1055
01:21:00.840 --> 01:21:03.640
a dichotomy where like there's a good
side and a bad side. They all

1056
01:21:03.800 --> 01:21:10.720
end up dying, and that they
are they there's a self immolation where to

1057
01:21:10.800 --> 01:21:13.800
me, it's almost like, does
this mean that the system is going to

1058
01:21:13.840 --> 01:21:16.800
burn from the inside, because it's
like Rome, you know, it's like

1059
01:21:17.279 --> 01:21:19.960
it's like you could see the same
thing happening in ancient Rome, they're so

1060
01:21:20.159 --> 01:21:26.000
decinent that they're just going to bring
themselves down outside. Don't forget the Rahab

1061
01:21:26.079 --> 01:21:30.399
element, right, because Rahab is
the horror in the old Tessamon who understands

1062
01:21:30.520 --> 01:21:33.840
that the city is going to be
destroyed, and because she has faith,

1063
01:21:34.119 --> 01:21:40.000
she's saved, even though she's immoral, but she believes and she's saved you

1064
01:21:40.079 --> 01:21:44.560
know, through fire. Basically,
you could say, so she's basically a

1065
01:21:44.640 --> 01:21:53.520
kind of a Rahab character as well. Yeah, and they're offering sacrifice in

1066
01:21:53.600 --> 01:21:56.640
the Rehab story. The city is
destroyed and she makes it out she's the

1067
01:21:56.680 --> 01:22:00.520
horror that survives. There's I mean, there's also the other, obviously element

1068
01:22:00.560 --> 01:22:03.960
of the meta film critique, right, which is like the Hollywood guys not

1069
01:22:04.039 --> 01:22:09.279
to be taken seriously. His his
career is vapid and nothing, and yet

1070
01:22:09.319 --> 01:22:15.439
we're watching a film about the characters. Also that you know, I'm not

1071
01:22:15.720 --> 01:22:17.840
I don't like to take like lessons
away from these things because I don't think

1072
01:22:17.880 --> 01:22:20.920
it's a lesson in the sense that
you know, there's a moral, but

1073
01:22:21.000 --> 01:22:26.439
I think that there's something to be
said for the fact that we do get

1074
01:22:27.279 --> 01:22:30.800
that it shows that the people who
are you know, usually we see,

1075
01:22:31.119 --> 01:22:38.520
especially in literature, that characters who
are willing to give everything for their art

1076
01:22:38.800 --> 01:22:43.079
or for a cause, or you
know, because they're a military hero are

1077
01:22:43.159 --> 01:22:46.399
noble characters, right, They they're
willing to give up their lives, you

1078
01:22:46.479 --> 01:22:51.199
know, either it's a literal sacrifice
of their of themselves for someone else,

1079
01:22:51.479 --> 01:22:55.640
or all of their time and their
relationships, you know. I mean we

1080
01:22:55.720 --> 01:22:58.800
see this with you know, with
Mozart right or with the great artists,

1081
01:22:58.880 --> 01:23:01.199
like they have no life, but
the thing they created will lift forever.

1082
01:23:01.800 --> 01:23:06.359
But in this we see that we're
also being told that, like there's one

1083
01:23:06.439 --> 01:23:10.479
guy, all the rest of these
people who think they have a shot at

1084
01:23:10.520 --> 01:23:13.880
this are not gonna make it,
and that they're willing to sacrifice themselves but

1085
01:23:14.000 --> 01:23:17.720
for nothing because nobody will remember them. And even he doesn't want to be

1086
01:23:18.000 --> 01:23:21.399
you know, does he even want
to be remembered? I mean, I

1087
01:23:21.479 --> 01:23:25.239
don't even know if he gives an
indication of that. He's just done.

1088
01:23:25.319 --> 01:23:28.199
He just tie It's almost totally nihilistic. He just wants it all burn.

1089
01:23:29.359 --> 01:23:31.479
Yeah, he just wants it all
to burn. Yeah yeah, yeah,

1090
01:23:32.720 --> 01:23:36.239
So should we move on to the
next one. Yeah? You guys like

1091
01:23:36.319 --> 01:23:39.359
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1092
01:23:39.359 --> 01:23:43.199
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1093
01:23:43.720 --> 01:23:47.239
You can support me with the direct
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1094
01:23:47.279 --> 01:23:49.920
dropping in the chat. And also
you can go to the video description and

1095
01:23:49.920 --> 01:23:53.640
the channel description. You can support
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1096
01:23:53.680 --> 01:23:56.039
you can donut chat. Ask Jay
and Jamie a question. They're here,

1097
01:23:56.319 --> 01:23:58.239
they're here for you. Ask him
a question. They'll read it.

1098
01:23:58.560 --> 01:24:02.479
They'll read it, they maybe answer
it on screen. So ask them a

1099
01:24:02.479 --> 01:24:08.600
spook tebra question. And that rahab
element just came to me. I hope

1100
01:24:08.640 --> 01:24:14.279
that's uh an element that's worth mentioning
because you know, a lot of a

1101
01:24:14.359 --> 01:24:16.239
lot of Western literature, and I'm
not saying this is Western literature, but

1102
01:24:16.359 --> 01:24:19.880
any movie is still going to be
influenced by you know, classic Western literature.

1103
01:24:19.880 --> 01:24:23.479
The Bible is a big part of
that, and so a lot of

1104
01:24:24.520 --> 01:24:29.600
great lit you know, especially Shakespeare. It's it's rife with esoteric ideas as

1105
01:24:29.640 --> 01:24:31.680
well as biblical ideas. Yeah,
so I think a lot of these stories

1106
01:24:31.680 --> 01:24:35.319
from the Old Testament, we can't
forget those because and I watched this movie

1107
01:24:35.359 --> 01:24:39.880
twice without realizing the rehab element.
But yeah, anyway, Yeah, the

1108
01:24:39.920 --> 01:24:43.159
Bible. Yeah, no, the
Bible is uh the foundation for the Western

1109
01:24:43.239 --> 01:24:45.680
canon, for Western literature, just
just alone with the simple fact that the

1110
01:24:45.760 --> 01:24:50.199
Bible is the best selling book of
all time, continuously ever even now,

1111
01:24:51.039 --> 01:24:56.560
and that for a long time it's
the only piece, it's the only written

1112
01:24:56.600 --> 01:24:59.840
word that anybody knew at all.
So of course it's it's going to be,

1113
01:25:00.039 --> 01:25:02.239
you know, we're going to draw
all of our stories and inspiration from

1114
01:25:02.479 --> 01:25:06.600
from from the Bible, and so
I think that's appropriate. I think that,

1115
01:25:08.680 --> 01:25:11.199
you know, you could say like, oh, she represents the working

1116
01:25:11.239 --> 01:25:13.600
class, you know, the working
girl, and is this saying that this

1117
01:25:13.760 --> 01:25:17.760
is I don't know something about the
great reset world that we live in where

1118
01:25:17.840 --> 01:25:20.239
this is the noble character. But
I don't think they're really doing that in

1119
01:25:20.359 --> 01:25:25.399
this. I think it takes on
more of a biblical event where she clearly

1120
01:25:25.560 --> 01:25:28.279
has He says to her, you
know, do you enjoy your work?

1121
01:25:28.600 --> 01:25:31.800
Right? Oh there's oh I forgot. The other element is if they are

1122
01:25:31.880 --> 01:25:36.159
looking at ray Fines like a father, and Nicholas Holt is like a fatherless

1123
01:25:36.279 --> 01:25:40.840
child and he wants to perform for
his father. There's also the other element

1124
01:25:41.399 --> 01:25:45.439
that I didn't even think of,
which is how she recognizes the corporate guy,

1125
01:25:45.760 --> 01:25:50.640
right, because there's the he was
doing the activity with him off site.

1126
01:25:51.000 --> 01:25:57.960
That was the picture. And you
remember what she says that he said

1127
01:25:58.680 --> 01:26:01.279
when she would have their trip,
that he did his you know, his

1128
01:26:01.600 --> 01:26:06.159
his pervert things. But he's he
he said, you're gonna pretend you're my

1129
01:26:06.279 --> 01:26:13.039
daughter. Yeah. Right, So
so I think at that point in the

1130
01:26:13.079 --> 01:26:15.359
office, Ray Fines is like,
I don't need to know the details,

1131
01:26:15.399 --> 01:26:18.439
but this is creepy enough even for
me. Where this guy's gotta go.

1132
01:26:18.680 --> 01:26:21.279
I'm giving you an opportunity. No, we're all gonna die, he says,

1133
01:26:21.359 --> 01:26:25.399
but you get to choose. But
then he does, he lets her

1134
01:26:25.439 --> 01:26:30.560
go, so she becomes like a
surrogate daughter. Anyway. Yeah, so

1135
01:26:30.680 --> 01:26:33.960
what's next? You want to do? You want to do Flesh get Out

1136
01:26:34.079 --> 01:26:40.840
or Flesh Listen, let's do Flesh
get Out. This one was I almost

1137
01:26:40.920 --> 01:26:45.399
had to not watch it. It
was almost too broke for me. Get

1138
01:26:45.439 --> 01:26:47.399
Out is a good one to end
with because we're gonna get out and it's

1139
01:26:47.439 --> 01:26:50.840
probably the best and the most well
known of the films. But this movie,

1140
01:26:50.880 --> 01:26:56.600
if people haven't seen this movie,
it's called Fresh and I got this

1141
01:26:56.680 --> 01:26:59.960
one on as a recommendation for my
homebok Jet throw out there. I finally

1142
01:27:00.079 --> 01:27:03.720
watch it and and it's got Sebastian
Stan and the and this this actress,

1143
01:27:03.840 --> 01:27:09.439
and I was I was not looking
forward to watching the movie because I don't

1144
01:27:09.560 --> 01:27:13.720
like you know, I'm just like
anybody else. I don't like this theme.

1145
01:27:13.760 --> 01:27:16.159
I didn't know how bad it was
going to be, but I thought

1146
01:27:16.199 --> 01:27:24.880
it was interesting when the economy collapses, like Alex says, yeah, I'm

1147
01:27:24.960 --> 01:27:28.880
looking at my neighbor, chop him
up, dice them, yeah, call

1148
01:27:29.000 --> 01:27:34.079
him up that change, I will
eat your butt, and literally does that.

1149
01:27:34.960 --> 01:27:39.680
Well that's funny because was this kind
of a satire too? Is it

1150
01:27:39.760 --> 01:27:44.319
was? It was? I got
elements of American psycho in it, right,

1151
01:27:44.560 --> 01:27:48.159
So it's like American psycho satire meets
Jeffrey Badonka Don and it's a dating

1152
01:27:48.279 --> 01:27:53.760
hookup, cautionary tale. It's a
lot of things. It's also the one

1153
01:27:53.800 --> 01:27:56.119
thing that bugged me about it was
that it's kind of a woe horror.

1154
01:27:57.000 --> 01:28:00.479
I'm really I'm really annoyed with woe
horror. We talked about that sigh op

1155
01:28:00.560 --> 01:28:04.920
cinema, and here it's wokhor because
you know, we have basically single white

1156
01:28:05.000 --> 01:28:10.279
males are all these sort of you
know Jeffrey Badonka Donk predators who are just

1157
01:28:10.479 --> 01:28:15.880
really there to prey on women.
And here praying on women takes on a

1158
01:28:15.960 --> 01:28:19.279
double sense, right. Women are
not just meet for the sex market.

1159
01:28:19.319 --> 01:28:25.159
They're also literally meat in this weird
underground cult. And we find out if

1160
01:28:25.159 --> 01:28:30.079
you notice symbolism, it's very clear
there's a baffomet goat head with an all

1161
01:28:30.159 --> 01:28:36.159
seeing eye here that is this club
that pays high price for these fresh meat

1162
01:28:36.279 --> 01:28:43.359
ladies that this dude sort of recruits
from in person spitting game. Right,

1163
01:28:43.479 --> 01:28:46.239
So she goes out with this you
know soy man that she meets on tender.

1164
01:28:46.800 --> 01:28:51.680
He's an annoying city you know,
scarf wearing dude talking about, oh

1165
01:28:51.720 --> 01:28:58.000
can I get some bubbling water sparkling? Yeah, he wants to go can

1166
01:28:58.079 --> 01:29:00.600
you pay it? Right, she
just can't stand this dude. And he's

1167
01:29:00.640 --> 01:29:03.760
like you should wear a dress and
yeah, and so she's like I'm done,

1168
01:29:03.960 --> 01:29:06.560
and you know, her sassy black
friend's like, girl, you need

1169
01:29:06.640 --> 01:29:10.960
to find you a better man in
it. And then she meets this guy

1170
01:29:11.119 --> 01:29:14.720
in the grocery store. You know, and he's Ali Swab and he's spitting

1171
01:29:14.800 --> 01:29:19.079
some you know, awkward jokey game
and it works, and so he's he's

1172
01:29:19.399 --> 01:29:23.199
he's like the king of the awkward. He's read her, but he's read

1173
01:29:23.279 --> 01:29:26.439
her as a girl that would like
that kind of game, right because of

1174
01:29:26.479 --> 01:29:30.279
the way she's dressed, and she's
kind of quirky and you know, hipsterish.

1175
01:29:30.359 --> 01:29:34.399
She's not that interested in looking like
a woman. She's wearing a baggy,

1176
01:29:34.600 --> 01:29:38.840
you know, sweater, and he
can you know, see that she's

1177
01:29:38.840 --> 01:29:41.800
sort of the artsy type. So
he plays that kind of a game and

1178
01:29:41.880 --> 01:29:45.119
it works. And then of course
we know that from that point on,

1179
01:29:45.520 --> 01:29:49.520
like things are getting worse and worse, she doesn't see. One thing I

1180
01:29:49.640 --> 01:29:53.039
liked about the first part of this
is that a lot of times movies like

1181
01:29:53.119 --> 01:30:00.000
this, they they give too many
red flags that the character willingly ignore.

1182
01:30:00.960 --> 01:30:02.600
But here we don't really get many
red flags. The only red flag that

1183
01:30:02.640 --> 01:30:08.039
we really get is that her,
the black, sassy black girlfriend says he

1184
01:30:08.079 --> 01:30:11.520
ain't got no social media girl.
That's weird, but that's about it.

1185
01:30:11.840 --> 01:30:15.760
Well, the red flag is that
it's going too well and that too much

1186
01:30:15.880 --> 01:30:19.600
chemistry because all the other men from
you know, Tinder and stuff is all

1187
01:30:19.760 --> 01:30:26.159
like, you know, d ic
K pix and please show bops, please

1188
01:30:26.159 --> 01:30:30.239
show bobs and Badgin. Yeah,
and this guy he's like, good,

1189
01:30:30.319 --> 01:30:35.079
lookie, he's a cosmetic surgeon,
but he's also sensitive, so he's got

1190
01:30:35.199 --> 01:30:39.720
money and yeah, he plays it
well like he's like, yeah, I'm

1191
01:30:39.720 --> 01:30:42.119
a plastic surgeon. And she's like, oh, he's got money. But

1192
01:30:42.159 --> 01:30:44.359
then she's like, but he's going
to be vain. He's like, but

1193
01:30:44.479 --> 01:30:46.239
yeah, it feels really good to
help the kids that get burned when they

1194
01:30:46.319 --> 01:30:53.800
come in, which was the same
thing Bateman says an American psychico, he

1195
01:30:53.800 --> 01:30:55.560
said, what do you want to
do with your life? And don't say

1196
01:30:55.640 --> 01:30:59.439
helping children? Please? And that's
what he does. But you know,

1197
01:31:00.159 --> 01:31:04.840
it is clever because the movie is
kind of divided into thirds. We don't

1198
01:31:04.880 --> 01:31:09.319
get the credits for the movie until
I think thirty three minutes into the movie.

1199
01:31:09.399 --> 01:31:15.439
Yeah, and and everything that should
be a red flag we see is

1200
01:31:15.640 --> 01:31:18.159
acceptable for her because of what she's
been put through in the modern you know,

1201
01:31:18.720 --> 01:31:24.840
dating world. Right. It's also
interesting that the guy is that the

1202
01:31:24.920 --> 01:31:29.439
bad The bad guy is actually uh
soy right, he's a I don't eat

1203
01:31:29.479 --> 01:31:31.119
meat. Oh, you can eat
it, but I don't need animals.

1204
01:31:31.520 --> 01:31:34.079
Oh I don't need animals. That's
right, Yeah, a good point.

1205
01:31:35.199 --> 01:31:39.199
Yeah, that's true. Yeah,
he eats a human persudo. It's just

1206
01:31:39.880 --> 01:31:45.479
and she hasn't even love, so
she's letting him, you know, kind

1207
01:31:45.479 --> 01:31:47.640
of sweep her off her feet.
Because anybody who says that is just like

1208
01:31:47.960 --> 01:31:53.479
craving to fall in love, right, like anyone who says I don't need

1209
01:31:53.520 --> 01:31:58.119
a man is super lonely and I
don't need no man. Yeah. Yeah,

1210
01:31:58.199 --> 01:32:00.680
Well this guy's that I'm saying,
he's a depth enough at psychology to

1211
01:32:00.800 --> 01:32:04.319
figure out the kind of person that's
perfect for Yeah. All of the things

1212
01:32:04.359 --> 01:32:10.479
that he does are very Bundy esque, right, because he he keeps all

1213
01:32:10.560 --> 01:32:12.720
of her you know, later we're
going to see that he keeps all of

1214
01:32:12.800 --> 01:32:15.560
the trophies, right, and that
he almost I mean, at times he

1215
01:32:15.800 --> 01:32:18.560
looks to me like Bundy was described. Right. He's wearing the turtleneck,

1216
01:32:19.680 --> 01:32:25.960
you know, and he's he's very
sort of outgoing and and people saw him

1217
01:32:25.960 --> 01:32:29.479
as dashing or whatever. But he's
also probing her for things. So,

1218
01:32:29.560 --> 01:32:31.680
for instance, he finds out she
has no family like right away, so

1219
01:32:31.840 --> 01:32:35.079
that means no one's going to be
looking for her, right and uh.

1220
01:32:35.640 --> 01:32:41.319
And also the guy in the Chinese
place was I thought this was interesting?

1221
01:32:41.439 --> 01:32:44.960
Was this This is a woke take
on how this guy was named Chad?

1222
01:32:45.319 --> 01:32:46.039
Right, First of all, he
was a Chad, but he was no

1223
01:32:46.199 --> 01:32:51.479
Chad. And he's got a scarf
and he he you know, he's like,

1224
01:32:51.600 --> 01:32:55.199
oh, you should wear a dress, you know, you should be

1225
01:32:55.319 --> 01:32:58.439
traditional. He talks to the Remember
how he talks to the waitress, do

1226
01:32:58.520 --> 01:33:03.680
you yeah, you were just saying
do you want yes? Yeah, and

1227
01:33:03.720 --> 01:33:06.920
then he appears later at the end
of the film, right in the text.

1228
01:33:08.119 --> 01:33:13.960
Yeah, in the text, she's
like, Chad maybe right. Also,

1229
01:33:14.319 --> 01:33:16.039
she goes on the date with the
guy and parks in the sketchiest,

1230
01:33:16.159 --> 01:33:23.119
darkest territuntal alley ever and is scared
of the guy walking behind her, but

1231
01:33:23.239 --> 01:33:28.319
it turns out to be you know, yeah, Jijen bing with a baby,

1232
01:33:28.920 --> 01:33:30.560
right, And she's like, oh, and then there's a Chekhov's gun,

1233
01:33:30.680 --> 01:33:33.920
right because she has her keys like
a like a weapon. And then

1234
01:33:33.960 --> 01:33:38.880
that'll appear later in the film.
That'll that'll pop back up, which is

1235
01:33:38.960 --> 01:33:42.159
weird. But but yeah, when
she meets him, you know, it's

1236
01:33:42.199 --> 01:33:45.399
also the grapes. Right, it's
the he feeds her great, you know,

1237
01:33:45.479 --> 01:33:48.600
it's the grape tasting in the grocery
store. The grocery store. I

1238
01:33:48.640 --> 01:33:51.840
forget what the grocery store was called, but there was when they were talking,

1239
01:33:51.920 --> 01:33:57.479
there was a sign above them that
said fresh meat right at weird weird

1240
01:33:57.520 --> 01:34:00.079
angles. This movie was great because
they do this thing that Kuber did in

1241
01:34:00.199 --> 01:34:03.319
The Shining. A lot of people
do this, but where we see like

1242
01:34:03.439 --> 01:34:09.319
straight angles and we're at right angles
and everything's fine, and that means psychology

1243
01:34:09.399 --> 01:34:13.000
is great. Everything's going great,
but then it gets skewed and at like

1244
01:34:13.079 --> 01:34:17.000
forty five degree angles when things aren't
going right. He's also like it's just

1245
01:34:17.079 --> 01:34:20.560
like in the invitation, he's wearing
like a brown corduroy jacket. He's kind

1246
01:34:20.600 --> 01:34:25.840
of soft, he's mute colored.
You know, he's not outlandish. Right,

1247
01:34:25.960 --> 01:34:29.159
they go out on their day.
They go to the funky bar in

1248
01:34:29.319 --> 01:34:34.039
public where you know the guys you
know. And then that was weird because

1249
01:34:35.039 --> 01:34:40.560
she her friend is friends with the
bartender and there's the scene where she's like,

1250
01:34:40.600 --> 01:34:42.319
can't you give me the guy's name? He's here all the time,

1251
01:34:42.319 --> 01:34:44.680
and he's like, I can't do
that. I lose my job. And

1252
01:34:44.720 --> 01:34:47.000
it's like, what what are you
talking about? Your bartend? What what

1253
01:34:47.039 --> 01:34:51.640
are you talking about? Like I
thought that was very odd and he shows

1254
01:34:51.720 --> 01:34:54.920
up. I thought he was going
to be in on it me too,

1255
01:34:55.039 --> 01:34:58.239
That's why I thought he wouldn't help
her. Yeah, he's got kind of

1256
01:34:58.640 --> 01:35:00.079
well we saw that his wife was
in on it, right, and then

1257
01:35:00.079 --> 01:35:02.119
the black duds like, I can't
give that out, and I'm thinking,

1258
01:35:02.159 --> 01:35:04.359
Okay, he's on in on it
too. Write something. It's going to

1259
01:35:04.399 --> 01:35:09.359
be a network of people that works
to get women or something right. And

1260
01:35:10.039 --> 01:35:13.520
so no, go ahead, Jamie. I was just say, they did

1261
01:35:13.600 --> 01:35:15.800
one of those scenes that I hate
in the movies where they're like kissing so

1262
01:35:15.960 --> 01:35:23.159
hard that they wrecked the hallway.
I hate that they did the scene that

1263
01:35:23.279 --> 01:35:26.359
I hate the most, which is
she's talking to her friend on the phone

1264
01:35:26.359 --> 01:35:30.039
and she's brushing her teeth forever.
Oh yeah, and she keeps the tooth

1265
01:35:30.079 --> 01:35:33.479
brush in her mouth when she's walking
around. It's gross. That's one thing

1266
01:35:33.520 --> 01:35:38.560
that I noticed in this film that
I didn't like was they intentionally have the

1267
01:35:38.760 --> 01:35:44.680
sound to where you hear people chewing
and macking and making uh lip noises and

1268
01:35:44.760 --> 01:35:47.960
that's on purpose. Yeah, I
found I found it very sort of disconcerting.

1269
01:35:48.159 --> 01:35:53.239
He was gonna turn it off when
they were eating the boob, so

1270
01:35:53.279 --> 01:35:56.720
you can hear him smacking and he's
talking about how it's it's fatty, and

1271
01:35:56.760 --> 01:35:59.479
I'm like, all right, this
is about the gross meat. But uh,

1272
01:36:00.199 --> 01:36:03.479
when the when the bartender was was
eating in his car and was eating

1273
01:36:03.520 --> 01:36:11.239
that burger that made her want to
eat a hamburgers, I'm like, man,

1274
01:36:11.279 --> 01:36:16.359
this movie gross, but I don't
want to This movie is gross.

1275
01:36:16.479 --> 01:36:20.399
There are things about it that are
interesting. It was clever in many ways.

1276
01:36:21.960 --> 01:36:26.119
I don't know if I would recommend
it, but like you said,

1277
01:36:26.159 --> 01:36:30.079
it does kind of have that Shakespearean
element with you know, feeding people other

1278
01:36:30.159 --> 01:36:32.319
people and as a kind of a
own and haha, got you. You

1279
01:36:32.439 --> 01:36:35.640
know, Well, it was interesting. It wasn't just a cannibal cult.

1280
01:36:35.680 --> 01:36:41.479
There was also a sc actual element
to it, and especially at the very

1281
01:36:41.600 --> 01:36:46.000
end, there was like a gimp
eating the Yes. Yeah, And what

1282
01:36:46.159 --> 01:36:49.920
was interesting about that was that shouts
out to Nico Pluto, by the way,

1283
01:36:49.920 --> 01:36:54.159
who drops drops two hundred box and
says, put this with Jane Jamie,

1284
01:36:54.199 --> 01:36:56.319
Okay, I will thank you Nico
Pluto. It was a big time,

1285
01:36:56.399 --> 01:36:59.720
big time super chat. Thank you
appreciate that. Yeah, there's a

1286
01:36:59.800 --> 01:37:03.399
there's uh you know. He he
goes on the day with her. Then

1287
01:37:03.399 --> 01:37:06.199
they sleep together, and it seems
like it's going very well. It's obviously

1288
01:37:06.239 --> 01:37:10.159
going too well for us, you
know, watching it, but it's going

1289
01:37:10.239 --> 01:37:13.520
very well. And they you know, they she wakes up next to him,

1290
01:37:13.680 --> 01:37:15.960
you know, he's still there in
the morning. But then she snaps

1291
01:37:15.000 --> 01:37:18.119
a picture of him, which I
thought was the camera's right there in his

1292
01:37:18.199 --> 01:37:23.399
face, dude. Yeah, was
odd. It was sort of voyeuristic.

1293
01:37:23.520 --> 01:37:26.520
She sends it to her to her
friend, Damn, don't he look good?

1294
01:37:26.560 --> 01:37:28.399
She's like, no, I mean
I guess he look all right.

1295
01:37:30.319 --> 01:37:41.199
When she said that you're digmatized.
Yes, well, but he again this

1296
01:37:41.439 --> 01:37:45.039
is he saw her as like perfect, right, So he found a girl

1297
01:37:45.119 --> 01:37:49.119
that he knew, you know,
probably couldn't find a good guy. The

1298
01:37:49.239 --> 01:37:55.239
girl. The guys in her circle
are probably the soy beta bug men in

1299
01:37:55.319 --> 01:37:58.399
the city. So he knew all
the ways to like, you know,

1300
01:37:59.000 --> 01:38:03.920
really rope her in and he did
it perfectly. Yeah, he he read

1301
01:38:03.960 --> 01:38:08.199
her wells what I'm trying to say? Yeah, and what's what's interesting is

1302
01:38:08.279 --> 01:38:14.640
that it's it turns out to be
genuine, right, It's almost like he

1303
01:38:14.760 --> 01:38:19.399
does yeah, he's he's he's kind
of hypnotized himself in a way that he

1304
01:38:19.479 --> 01:38:23.880
actually really likes it. I mean. So, so they decide to go

1305
01:38:23.960 --> 01:38:26.880
away, right, We're gonna go
away for the weekend to Cottage Grove.

1306
01:38:26.920 --> 01:38:28.720
Oh, we want to go to
Cottage Grove. Cottage Grove, And I'm

1307
01:38:28.720 --> 01:38:30.680
like, what the fuck is Cottage
Grove? But then I was like,

1308
01:38:30.800 --> 01:38:34.000
is this bohemian grove? Are they
going? I don't I don't think.

1309
01:38:34.079 --> 01:38:36.439
I don't know. I guess it
was just a stand in for Oh,

1310
01:38:36.520 --> 01:38:40.600
it's a place outside of the city
in nature, and we're gonna get And

1311
01:38:40.680 --> 01:38:45.600
it sounds innocuous, right, it
doesn't sound menacing. Oh to the cottage,

1312
01:38:45.720 --> 01:38:49.600
right, cottage it's safe, right, Yeah. But he does the

1313
01:38:49.720 --> 01:38:54.840
thing that is the red flag for
all these movies, which is we're going

1314
01:38:54.960 --> 01:38:57.479
And then he shows up and says, Oh, the traffic's too bad,

1315
01:38:57.520 --> 01:39:00.439
We're going to go to my place, like last minute change, right,

1316
01:39:00.560 --> 01:39:04.199
like mister Jingles walking out to the
car hold on. Uh No. So

1317
01:39:04.279 --> 01:39:06.359
then they decide to go to his
place, right, They get in the

1318
01:39:06.399 --> 01:39:13.600
car they're driving. Uh oh,
there's no phone service there, dude.

1319
01:39:13.640 --> 01:39:16.520
There's phone service on top of mountains
now. Like the of course this is

1320
01:39:16.600 --> 01:39:21.319
older, but like you know,
trees are five gut things now, so

1321
01:39:21.680 --> 01:39:25.880
that's everywhere, especially like the guy's
house. I mean, you know,

1322
01:39:26.000 --> 01:39:28.880
he's got starlink, but he just
turns it off, I guess. But

1323
01:39:28.920 --> 01:39:32.640
they go to his house and he's
got the brutalistic, dead tech, postmodern

1324
01:39:33.560 --> 01:39:39.840
concrete bunker house with the door in
a corner. Yeah. So it's at

1325
01:39:39.880 --> 01:39:44.920
weird angles and you like you're walking
into some sort of temple and weird artworks

1326
01:39:45.000 --> 01:39:50.960
to like one of the was ghosts
playing chess and that's pretty trippy, satanic

1327
01:39:51.039 --> 01:39:56.239
looking or it reminded me of the
art that Kavorkian does. If you've ever

1328
01:39:56.279 --> 01:40:00.000
seen Kivorkian, doctor Jack of Orkian, the you know doctor Dad, he

1329
01:40:00.079 --> 01:40:02.800
did a bunch of art and it's
it's very similar to the art in this.

1330
01:40:03.760 --> 01:40:11.560
He's a lot like American Psycho.
Also, Yeah, yeah, that's

1331
01:40:11.560 --> 01:40:15.319
what I just said. Yeah,
no, we said that in the last

1332
01:40:15.479 --> 01:40:17.199
one. We were talking about now, but I said that this guy is

1333
01:40:17.239 --> 01:40:20.359
like American Psycho. At the beginning
of this you weren't listening, because you

1334
01:40:20.439 --> 01:40:25.880
never Jamie doesn't listen to all the
stuff that I say. And then like

1335
01:40:25.960 --> 01:40:28.199
five minutes later she'll say, oh
and blah blah blah. I'm like,

1336
01:40:28.199 --> 01:40:31.640
you didn't hear me say that.
Well, well, there's one thing,

1337
01:40:31.880 --> 01:40:35.079
so you guys, you all have
talked about this when he when she walks

1338
01:40:35.119 --> 01:40:41.760
in and she's looking at the art
and she sees the postmodern abstract expressionist Jackson

1339
01:40:41.840 --> 01:40:44.720
Pollock ask painting, there's there are
the other pains, but there's the one.

1340
01:40:45.239 --> 01:40:47.119
Yeah, And when she when she
gets up close to it, and

1341
01:40:47.439 --> 01:40:50.760
like she's she gets very close to
the painting, and I was thinking,

1342
01:40:51.119 --> 01:40:58.000
is this flesh, kid? I
think it's flesh exactly. Yeah, And

1343
01:40:58.119 --> 01:41:01.880
then of course you know it's it's
a it's like it's a cool place.

1344
01:41:02.119 --> 01:41:05.760
I guess you know that he has
he's obviously he's got money, and you

1345
01:41:05.840 --> 01:41:10.600
know it's a it's it's cool for
him or whatever. It actually reminded me

1346
01:41:10.640 --> 01:41:18.439
of the there what's the Guy del
Toro? Gerama del Toro came out with

1347
01:41:18.479 --> 01:41:23.279
the series last year. Yeah,
the last movie, Yeah, the Panels

1348
01:41:23.319 --> 01:41:28.239
Cosmantos one was at the end and
it looks like that place. It's yeah,

1349
01:41:29.239 --> 01:41:31.000
muted colors in you know, mid
century or what I remember where the

1350
01:41:31.680 --> 01:41:36.239
a bunch of stars go and they
are at this hip cool place. They

1351
01:41:36.319 --> 01:41:42.079
do space cocaine and then then there's
like an egg of an alien. Yeah,

1352
01:41:43.359 --> 01:41:45.319
yeah, you do. We watched
the We watched the whole series.

1353
01:41:45.079 --> 01:41:48.600
Yeah, they do. They do
frosty, frosty space cocaine or whatever,

1354
01:41:49.279 --> 01:41:53.560
and uh, it turns kind of
into a Mandy world. But in this

1355
01:41:53.640 --> 01:41:56.840
one, it's like she's walking through
and it's it's very like Frank Lloyd Wright.

1356
01:41:56.920 --> 01:42:00.199
You know, it's built in the
it's built into the landscape and there

1357
01:42:00.239 --> 01:42:05.439
are windows with greenery, but it's
like outside of the house, so it's

1358
01:42:05.479 --> 01:42:11.960
in some sort of other structure.
We watched that she's not remembering. Cabinet

1359
01:42:12.000 --> 01:42:15.119
of Curiosities Episode seven is the one
where is it Peter Weller plays a rock

1360
01:42:15.199 --> 01:42:20.159
star. Yeah. Yeah, and
uh, they they're like, oh,

1361
01:42:20.640 --> 01:42:24.439
uh, you know, come to
this this meeting, remember, and they're

1362
01:42:24.439 --> 01:42:29.680
all just kind of sitting around in
this room and if they're all invited there

1363
01:42:29.800 --> 01:42:33.119
to this event and they're all sitting
around the cirt and and then it ends

1364
01:42:33.199 --> 01:42:36.000
up being he's like I got to
show you this. And then what he

1365
01:42:36.079 --> 01:42:45.479
shows him is this alien egg that's
morphing, right, and yeah, yeah,

1366
01:42:45.600 --> 01:42:51.680
globular lucifer adana alien in an egg. Anyway, go ahead. So

1367
01:42:53.760 --> 01:42:57.960
so it's like a Frank Lloyd right
kind of house. And then they turn

1368
01:42:58.039 --> 01:43:00.600
on some tunes, you know,
and they sit down there have a drink,

1369
01:43:00.600 --> 01:43:03.079
and then of course she starts getting
you know, we see the camera

1370
01:43:03.119 --> 01:43:06.800
starts getting hazy and woozy. Bad, bad move right. He goes over

1371
01:43:06.840 --> 01:43:10.000
to his little bar card. I
don't know about y'all, but like whenever

1372
01:43:10.039 --> 01:43:13.039
I say people they do this in
movies. They always come into the office

1373
01:43:13.119 --> 01:43:15.479
or come into home and I'll make
you a drink and it's like there's a

1374
01:43:15.520 --> 01:43:17.359
bar cart there. But nobody does
that. I guess people do it in

1375
01:43:17.399 --> 01:43:23.199
real life like they're having a part. But yeah, fifties and if you

1376
01:43:23.239 --> 01:43:27.239
watch forties and fifties movies, every
scene is that. Yeah, I don't

1377
01:43:27.960 --> 01:43:30.239
you know, but it's all ready
to go. He's got ice in the

1378
01:43:30.319 --> 01:43:33.439
tumblr, you know, it's like
what you know. So so anyway,

1379
01:43:33.520 --> 01:43:39.680
then she passes out and then she
wakes up and she's in a concrete you

1380
01:43:39.760 --> 01:43:45.359
know, corner cement room on a
mattress and he's sitting in the corner with

1381
01:43:45.479 --> 01:43:50.399
a turtleneck on, and he tells
her it's so bad. It's this movie

1382
01:43:50.520 --> 01:43:55.279
is clever because he's so bad.
He's so twisted. This guy is evil.

1383
01:43:56.159 --> 01:43:59.560
But they make it seem seductive in
a way that other movies, other

1384
01:43:59.640 --> 01:44:02.359
movies, you know that the Zach
effron Ted Bunny movie. It's like,

1385
01:44:02.479 --> 01:44:05.600
oh, we're supposed to think he's
seductive, you know, but this movie,

1386
01:44:05.680 --> 01:44:09.760
it's like, no, this guy
really does like you want you like

1387
01:44:09.920 --> 01:44:13.239
him, like, but he's but
you don't. You can't like, you

1388
01:44:13.279 --> 01:44:15.439
know. So he's sitting there and
he's like, no, I'm not don't

1389
01:44:15.439 --> 01:44:17.000
worry. I'm not gonna kill you. I'm just gonna eat you slowly and

1390
01:44:17.079 --> 01:44:20.720
sell your meat until eventually you die, which is way worse. Yeah,

1391
01:44:21.760 --> 01:44:27.199
right, and she's changed it will
be slow and painful instead of freaking Yeah.

1392
01:44:27.239 --> 01:44:30.279
And just like Patrick Bateman, like
he's playing the most ridiculous you know.

1393
01:44:30.439 --> 01:44:35.640
Richard Mars loves songs from the nineties, right, yes, And I'm

1394
01:44:35.680 --> 01:44:41.319
not gonna lie like I heard that
song in the movie and I've listened to

1395
01:44:41.359 --> 01:44:43.640
the song a bunch of times.
And then I'm like, you know,

1396
01:44:43.760 --> 01:44:45.880
this is pretty pretty good song now
that it's been many years, you know,

1397
01:44:46.199 --> 01:44:50.279
but it fits. It's fun,
it is, and they're doing hand

1398
01:44:50.840 --> 01:44:55.279
hand dancing, you know, and
they have like a I thought that that's

1399
01:44:55.560 --> 01:44:57.640
the scene where they dance, which
is later on in the film, and

1400
01:44:57.680 --> 01:45:00.640
I thought that scene was you know, someone could do is an analysis of

1401
01:45:01.399 --> 01:45:09.239
just movie choreographed scenes like where there
it doesn't fit in like a nex machina.

1402
01:45:09.760 --> 01:45:13.920
Remember I'm gonna tear up the fucking
dance floor. Yeah, that's a

1403
01:45:14.000 --> 01:45:17.079
great thing. But yeah, he's
so he says, I'm gonna sell your

1404
01:45:17.159 --> 01:45:20.960
meat. Oh gosh, oh no, she's a commodity. And she's like

1405
01:45:21.119 --> 01:45:24.960
so she you know, she kind
of goes nuts. And this is also

1406
01:45:25.039 --> 01:45:28.119
you know, we've seen so much
in the news of this in the past

1407
01:45:28.159 --> 01:45:30.520
ten years, you know, with
the guy in Cleveland, the aerial castro

1408
01:45:30.600 --> 01:45:33.199
guy with the people locked up in
the basement, and the woman who locked

1409
01:45:33.279 --> 01:45:38.199
with her head in a box and
all these terrible things, and now we

1410
01:45:38.279 --> 01:45:41.640
get this version of it. And
I mean that was in split you know,

1411
01:45:41.840 --> 01:45:45.079
people locked up in the basement,
They're gonna sell them. And when

1412
01:45:45.079 --> 01:45:46.319
I was watching I was thinking,
like, this is probably going where I

1413
01:45:46.399 --> 01:45:48.960
think it's gonna go, but I
wonder how they'll show this. And then

1414
01:45:49.000 --> 01:45:53.760
when they showed it, like you
said, they actually showed the montage of

1415
01:45:53.840 --> 01:45:56.439
the people that he sells it to. So he wakes up in the morning

1416
01:45:57.239 --> 01:46:00.479
and he has a dumb waiter and
he's got like a hue in leg,

1417
01:46:00.239 --> 01:46:03.760
which is oh my god, you
know, and he's he starts dancing,

1418
01:46:03.840 --> 01:46:09.199
cutting up the human leg dancing is
some music, throwing it in a Hello

1419
01:46:09.359 --> 01:46:15.000
Fresh boxes with the trophies of the
particular girls and puts the seal on it,

1420
01:46:15.079 --> 01:46:16.760
and like you said, it had
the Baffo mat with all Seeing and

1421
01:46:16.840 --> 01:46:21.119
an Ora Boros on it. And
then we see a montage of the elite

1422
01:46:21.159 --> 01:46:26.800
guys and and that was interesting because
like in the menu and liking get Out,

1423
01:46:27.760 --> 01:46:31.039
it was various prada of elites.
Right, there's like a Texas old

1424
01:46:31.119 --> 01:46:35.840
man. There's a there's like an
Asian dude. Yeah, yeah, there's

1425
01:46:35.840 --> 01:46:40.800
a there's a creepy guy on a
breathing machine. There's a guy licking the

1426
01:46:40.840 --> 01:46:45.960
plate, you know. There's a
gil Bates guy. There's a guy wearing

1427
01:46:45.119 --> 01:46:50.000
like a gimp outfit. Yeah,
yeah, and and then he explains it

1428
01:46:50.039 --> 01:46:53.720
to us. I thought that was
interesting because it doesn't really function his exposition

1429
01:46:53.760 --> 01:46:58.800
in the movie. It's it's it's
unexpected. He's he explains his operation to

1430
01:46:58.880 --> 01:47:02.560
her. You know, he says, I provide a service for the one

1431
01:47:02.640 --> 01:47:08.159
percent of the one percent, and
the people are so they're so sensory,

1432
01:47:08.239 --> 01:47:12.680
they want the thing that nobody else
could have. Right, What did you

1433
01:47:12.720 --> 01:47:15.119
think about the way that he explains
how he got into it, Like how

1434
01:47:15.159 --> 01:47:16.720
he says he was nineteen and he
first got into this and he had this

1435
01:47:16.800 --> 01:47:21.560
secret that he couldn't tell anybody.
I thought that was Jeffrey d isn't it.

1436
01:47:23.840 --> 01:47:28.199
Yeah. I think they were pulling
from different serial killers and stories about

1437
01:47:28.279 --> 01:47:32.039
you know, you know paying.
The lead Eli Roth, has a story

1438
01:47:32.079 --> 01:47:38.079
where he says that he got the
idea for Hostile because he had heard that

1439
01:47:38.239 --> 01:47:41.760
when he was on some trip or
somewhere in Thailand or something, that the

1440
01:47:41.880 --> 01:47:45.119
Thai elite actually do this. He
thought, oh, that'd be a great

1441
01:47:45.359 --> 01:47:47.479
idea for a horror movie. And
then if you if you notice in the

1442
01:47:47.520 --> 01:47:50.199
second I'm not a huge fan of
Hostile, but in the second one,

1443
01:47:50.279 --> 01:47:57.039
it's actually like you get the same
Baphomet imagery, and there's a market where

1444
01:47:57.039 --> 01:48:00.119
they sell the people, and some
of the people in that market who have

1445
01:48:00.279 --> 01:48:04.199
like this little device that only the
zillionaires get, right, they bid on

1446
01:48:04.279 --> 01:48:08.439
the people that they want, and
some of them bid to eat them.

1447
01:48:08.560 --> 01:48:11.159
Right. So if you notice in
the second one, it's the same type

1448
01:48:11.199 --> 01:48:15.319
of idea. So it's it's like
Taken right when they it's also like in

1449
01:48:15.439 --> 01:48:21.680
Taken how they have their their their
auctions. And the other thing I thought

1450
01:48:21.840 --> 01:48:27.319
was interesting was that the movie came
out around the time of the revelations about

1451
01:48:28.079 --> 01:48:30.840
the things they said about Armie Hammer, right, And I'd heard this for

1452
01:48:31.039 --> 01:48:34.840
years about Armie Hammer and about armand
Hammer, and there was that book.

1453
01:48:35.520 --> 01:48:40.439
There's a book the expos of Armond
hammerh talks about that he was in SRA

1454
01:48:40.800 --> 01:48:45.680
and involved in those things, and
then the revelations came out about him.

1455
01:48:45.880 --> 01:48:48.199
By the way, the documentary about
that don't if anybody's watching, they don't

1456
01:48:48.199 --> 01:48:55.239
watch it. It's another it's you
know, it's a limb hang because it

1457
01:48:55.399 --> 01:49:00.640
tries depended on the fact that he
was into uh, you know, S

1458
01:49:00.760 --> 01:49:06.239
and m stuff, and but they
don't go into the things. They don't

1459
01:49:06.800 --> 01:49:11.920
again, they don't actually go into
what is the things that he was into

1460
01:49:13.359 --> 01:49:18.640
and army which one army, army
hammer the actor, and you know he

1461
01:49:18.720 --> 01:49:23.600
had his secret Instagram, you know
all this stuff. But he this guy

1462
01:49:23.760 --> 01:49:26.680
reminded me of him in the film
because he kind of looks like him.

1463
01:49:26.720 --> 01:49:29.680
He has that air, but he
doesn't have the same pedigree that he did.

1464
01:49:30.520 --> 01:49:32.159
So it's not it's obviously not about
him, but it reminded me of

1465
01:49:32.239 --> 01:49:35.600
that kind of character where he says
he experienced this thing when he was nineteen

1466
01:49:35.680 --> 01:49:39.439
and he had a secret he couldn't
tell anybody, and there's a small community,

1467
01:49:39.520 --> 01:49:42.800
and then he became a certain and
I guess he is a surgeon.

1468
01:49:43.760 --> 01:49:46.680
Still. During the day, I
was wondering, how does he account for

1469
01:49:47.079 --> 01:49:50.600
like the drugs for instance, right, and then I just thought like,

1470
01:49:50.720 --> 01:49:57.319
well, because his clientele controls those
things, and so that's yeah. I

1471
01:49:57.359 --> 01:50:00.600
thought immediately like, there's no way
that he could be doing this without the

1472
01:50:00.680 --> 01:50:04.159
wife being in on it, and
so we pretty clearly quickly see that she

1473
01:50:04.359 --> 01:50:06.720
is in on it. Well,
you remember that scene where he comes in

1474
01:50:06.840 --> 01:50:10.840
he was like so tired and trying
to tell her about his day. He

1475
01:50:11.640 --> 01:50:16.279
has the day job and the night
being and yeah, did you remember that

1476
01:50:16.399 --> 01:50:23.199
part where she ate the meat ball
and she saw the goat? Yeah,

1477
01:50:23.279 --> 01:50:27.720
she saw she was initiated, right, so she went through the initiation and

1478
01:50:27.920 --> 01:50:32.079
got Yeah. So this is again
like a covenant meal where instead of like

1479
01:50:32.199 --> 01:50:36.159
the real presence of body and blood
of Christ, it's like the satanic inversion

1480
01:50:36.199 --> 01:50:42.800
of that, where you're feeding like
Dracula on other human beings in a predatory

1481
01:50:42.880 --> 01:50:47.119
way. And here she's getting this
sort of demonic enlightenment initiation and it shows

1482
01:50:47.159 --> 01:50:50.039
her kind of have this like flash
of like seeing all these things, and

1483
01:50:50.960 --> 01:50:55.199
yeah, she's initiated. So this
is what it takes. Though, So

1484
01:50:55.560 --> 01:50:57.720
my reading of this was that,
oh, she's going to have to play

1485
01:50:57.800 --> 01:51:00.920
his game, right, She's going
to have to go through what he's gone

1486
01:51:00.960 --> 01:51:04.600
through to beat him. Yeah,
she's got out that she has Stockholm syndrome,

1487
01:51:04.720 --> 01:51:09.359
but she's like playing five D chess
trying to she is yeah, and

1488
01:51:09.479 --> 01:51:12.920
she throws up she she you know, we can see that it's a game.

1489
01:51:14.319 --> 01:51:16.079
She got the secret message in the
Mademoiselle or whatever. Right, if

1490
01:51:16.119 --> 01:51:20.840
you're reading this, he likes you. So the question is like the person.

1491
01:51:20.960 --> 01:51:25.800
So we find out that the person
who wrote the message. They're on

1492
01:51:25.920 --> 01:51:29.159
the wall, the trophy wall.
We see that person, right, so

1493
01:51:29.239 --> 01:51:31.439
we know that that person is gone. And yeah, shouts out to Rachel

1494
01:51:31.479 --> 01:51:34.279
out there, homegirl Rachel based on
homeschool. She said, do I have

1495
01:51:34.359 --> 01:51:36.840
channel memberships? I got him.
I got him almost all the way set

1496
01:51:36.880 --> 01:51:39.960
up. I just haven't watched it
yet, but I'll be launching him soon.

1497
01:51:40.000 --> 01:51:42.279
I just haven't. I just haven't
done it yet. But yeah,

1498
01:51:42.319 --> 01:51:45.960
we'll have different membership levels, YouTube
membership levels launched. But I wondered about

1499
01:51:46.000 --> 01:51:50.359
his wife because the girl goes looking, you know, for a friend,

1500
01:51:50.680 --> 01:51:55.439
and she shows First of all,
she shows up at the door of the

1501
01:51:55.520 --> 01:51:58.680
house, and the way the woman, you know, she asked the questions,

1502
01:51:58.720 --> 01:52:00.760
you know, get out of here
right, like as if the woman

1503
01:52:01.199 --> 01:52:05.279
looks like she's selling something. First
of all, it's only Mormon white women

1504
01:52:05.399 --> 01:52:09.199
that show up to sell things.
That happened to me on a stream one

1505
01:52:09.279 --> 01:52:13.079
time they showed up at the door. It's not women that looks like look

1506
01:52:13.159 --> 01:52:15.159
like this. And she, you
know, she looking good. She take

1507
01:52:15.199 --> 01:52:18.199
care of herself, and she show
up, you know, and she goes

1508
01:52:18.239 --> 01:52:21.199
into the house and immediately she's like, you know, I think you know,

1509
01:52:21.319 --> 01:52:25.760
your husband is might be involved with
my friend. And the woman's like,

1510
01:52:26.399 --> 01:52:29.960
well, that's strange, interesting,
do you want to come in?

1511
01:52:30.199 --> 01:52:32.159
It's very weird. Yeah. The
next we see her in the house and

1512
01:52:32.239 --> 01:52:34.600
she's got a glass of water and
the woman's not even in the room,

1513
01:52:36.159 --> 01:52:40.520
like you're gonna leave the stranger you
just invited alone in your house in the

1514
01:52:40.640 --> 01:52:44.680
other room. So that was odd. So she's and plus she was European

1515
01:52:44.920 --> 01:52:47.760
and looked like she had a wig. I just thought this woman's in on

1516
01:52:47.840 --> 01:52:51.199
it, like this is clearly the
house is too perfect, and the kids

1517
01:52:51.239 --> 01:52:55.880
are upstairs, this is too perfect. Well you're sitting there and she's holding

1518
01:52:55.880 --> 01:52:58.239
in the glass and you're like,
don't drink it, don't drink don't drink

1519
01:52:58.279 --> 01:53:01.640
it. Yeah, don't drink that. Damn If it's bubbly and sparkling and

1520
01:53:01.720 --> 01:53:08.520
it's purple, don't drink right.
So then oh, it was this movie

1521
01:53:08.640 --> 01:53:11.520
where I was like, that's a
good way to get somebody to drink your

1522
01:53:11.640 --> 01:53:15.199
drugs, like ask him do you
taste something special in there? And then

1523
01:53:15.479 --> 01:53:19.560
taking SIPs like uh, oh is
it peach? Is it apricot? And

1524
01:53:19.600 --> 01:53:24.000
he's like no, try again.
So she just laid down the whole cup

1525
01:53:24.159 --> 01:53:27.880
drum. Yeah. She wanted so
badly for him to be mister right.

1526
01:53:28.640 --> 01:53:32.199
Yeah, he was mister wrong.
So then Steve shows up at the house.

1527
01:53:33.760 --> 01:53:36.439
By the way, he's not Steve. His name is Brendan. Right,

1528
01:53:36.920 --> 01:53:43.479
I'm Brendan. Must know that the
husband he shows up that I'm I'm

1529
01:53:43.560 --> 01:53:47.600
Brendan. Yes, I'm here.
And then she and then she she she

1530
01:53:47.800 --> 01:53:51.359
knows the rules of the streets.
Right, she called the phone. Phone

1531
01:53:51.439 --> 01:53:55.800
rings, right, and it says
like, Hi, I'm Steve Cannibal.

1532
01:53:55.960 --> 01:54:00.520
Right, you shouldn't have done that, bitch. Turn around. Yeah right,

1533
01:54:00.680 --> 01:54:03.439
Marinka is behind you with the vase
or whatever. Right, so she

1534
01:54:03.520 --> 01:54:06.520
knocks her out. Then we see
the skewed angle because now it's the view

1535
01:54:06.640 --> 01:54:11.039
up from the trunk, right,
because we know she's in the trunk.

1536
01:54:11.199 --> 01:54:15.319
So then my question was the next
thing because that goes on to her there

1537
01:54:15.399 --> 01:54:19.000
the kidnapped girl playing the role of
what does it taste like? And then

1538
01:54:19.039 --> 01:54:21.760
the guy says, you know,
that's it, that's all you got.

1539
01:54:21.800 --> 01:54:25.239
That was very clever, right,
give a little bit, but not too

1540
01:54:25.319 --> 01:54:27.800
much. Then he comes home from
work or whatever, and he cooks her

1541
01:54:27.880 --> 01:54:32.880
the meal and I thought the meal
was going to be the friend Yeah right,

1542
01:54:33.600 --> 01:54:36.760
right, but I get but it
wasn't. Or maybe it was so

1543
01:54:36.960 --> 01:54:42.359
much like meat stored though he had
way too much, so much. Yeah,

1544
01:54:43.720 --> 01:54:47.439
he's in the backyard chain saw in
a rib cage. Yeah right,

1545
01:54:47.520 --> 01:54:54.039
what the fuck? Well, it's
so cross, dude. He only eats

1546
01:54:54.079 --> 01:54:58.279
women. Yeah, her, he
tells her. He's like, yeah,

1547
01:54:58.319 --> 01:55:00.800
only women because they are oh the
best. Yeah he has Oh, he

1548
01:55:00.840 --> 01:55:06.079
has standards, right, they taste
better, he said, right, yeah,

1549
01:55:06.520 --> 01:55:11.000
and they can't fight back, so
that's probably why. Yeah. Right,

1550
01:55:11.359 --> 01:55:14.399
Well, it reminds me of the
Kirk Barker book that you told me

1551
01:55:14.479 --> 01:55:16.560
to read, which I read,
which is that you know, cannibalism would

1552
01:55:16.640 --> 01:55:24.159
be gradually normalized as part of the
overall satanic agenda. I haven't saying that

1553
01:55:24.279 --> 01:55:28.279
for since twenty fifteen. Well,
we found old podcasts that we did about

1554
01:55:28.279 --> 01:55:31.840
it. Yeah, so this is
going to be normalized, especially when the

1555
01:55:32.159 --> 01:55:40.359
famine comes. Yeah, but the
the bugs and the human meat cubes and

1556
01:55:40.439 --> 01:55:45.079
the slave slop. Yeah, she's
turned into humans, I guess. But

1557
01:55:45.399 --> 01:55:50.319
yeah, so I don't know.
So he what you were saying about the

1558
01:55:50.399 --> 01:55:55.399
vision that she has when she takes
the first bite, I thought it was

1559
01:55:55.479 --> 01:56:00.960
kind of dream dream chrumy, because
even though the movie is literally showing this,

1560
01:56:01.079 --> 01:56:04.960
I still thought it was kind of
a metaphor for the the worst thing,

1561
01:56:05.199 --> 01:56:10.079
right, which was the the energy, you know, the stuff from

1562
01:56:10.079 --> 01:56:15.279
the brain. Yeah, and il
juice from Cure for Wellness means talking about

1563
01:56:15.399 --> 01:56:19.640
chrome. Yeah. Yeah. Because
she she has this vision of you know,

1564
01:56:19.760 --> 01:56:23.560
because she goes into like another dimension
scene, but you know, it's

1565
01:56:23.640 --> 01:56:28.159
it's like she's leveled up or leveled
down in the hell world like with them,

1566
01:56:28.920 --> 01:56:30.920
right, And and then I was
like, you know, is this

1567
01:56:31.119 --> 01:56:34.439
is this guy gonna get the Is
he gonna get the koru? Is he

1568
01:56:34.520 --> 01:56:39.800
gonna be you know, rickety all
around? And then he kind of explains

1569
01:56:39.840 --> 01:56:41.880
that He's like, no, it
depends on how it's prepared. Right,

1570
01:56:42.039 --> 01:56:45.239
He's a he's a great chef,
like in the menu, so he must

1571
01:56:45.279 --> 01:56:50.680
boil out all the whatever. But
then they have their love scene, right,

1572
01:56:50.800 --> 01:56:56.520
they're dancing, they're they're dancing and
dancing Richard Marx and they're gonna sleep

1573
01:56:56.560 --> 01:57:00.119
together and she's not chained, right, she goes in the bathroom like he

1574
01:57:00.239 --> 01:57:03.479
wants a relationship with her. We
also saw the wife by the way,

1575
01:57:03.520 --> 01:57:08.560
at the house who also is missing
a leg. So then I wondered,

1576
01:57:09.439 --> 01:57:12.239
was this lady I was thinking,
was this late? How did they meet

1577
01:57:12.680 --> 01:57:15.479
the previous version of the Yeah,
exactly, That's what I took it to

1578
01:57:15.560 --> 01:57:18.319
me too. Yeah, I was
thinking that. But then I was thinking,

1579
01:57:18.399 --> 01:57:21.119
like, or is she did she
meet him too? I don't know.

1580
01:57:21.279 --> 01:57:26.640
I was thinking this scenario. She
meets him through plastic surgery, right,

1581
01:57:26.760 --> 01:57:28.359
She's like, you're kind of sexy. By the way, I'm a

1582
01:57:28.399 --> 01:57:32.359
European elite. My last name is
Dutroux, and you know you're into the

1583
01:57:32.359 --> 01:57:36.119
same stuff as me. They want
to get married, you know. Yeah,

1584
01:57:36.520 --> 01:57:42.319
but uh so, anyway, then
he seemed to be well connected because

1585
01:57:42.359 --> 01:57:45.520
when she shows up, she's got
that bodyguard dude with her, says,

1586
01:57:45.560 --> 01:57:47.479
we need to take care of this. Yeah, yeah, bro. If

1587
01:57:47.560 --> 01:57:51.159
the bodyguard shows up and he's got
a French prey down to his shoes,

1588
01:57:51.920 --> 01:57:59.199
like, that's just like this guy's
bad, that's not that's not even that's

1589
01:57:59.319 --> 01:58:03.039
weird. They was that these little
details of these people where they got something

1590
01:58:03.199 --> 01:58:09.239
weird, you know, extra long
fingernails or they what happened to that guy?

1591
01:58:09.319 --> 01:58:13.199
Did they? I don't remember Yeah, he just pieced out. Yeah,

1592
01:58:14.920 --> 01:58:18.640
the bartender. Yeah, he totally
pissed out. He was like,

1593
01:58:18.680 --> 01:58:21.680
I'm looking gone, I got my
gt I I'm I'm leaving here. I

1594
01:58:21.720 --> 01:58:28.079
got you. Uh. We did
a Cannibal show back when Jamie and I

1595
01:58:28.159 --> 01:58:30.800
first met. It was one of
our earliest podcasts, and we covered a

1596
01:58:30.880 --> 01:58:34.760
bunch of different movies like Society and
we also covered Parents. Have you seen

1597
01:58:34.800 --> 01:58:38.720
that? It's a great eighties v
movie. But I know it's got Randy

1598
01:58:38.760 --> 01:58:43.359
Quay star Whackers in it. It's
a Bob Ballaban movie. It's about so

1599
01:58:43.680 --> 01:58:46.079
it's it's good. It's kind of
like this. It's like a campy Culty

1600
01:58:46.199 --> 01:58:50.640
thing where they're trying to get the
kid to eat human meat. They're trying

1601
01:58:50.680 --> 01:58:54.199
to raise him to be the can
kettle, all right, so they're sort

1602
01:58:54.199 --> 01:58:56.720
of cannibal coult that the kid doesn't
want to be a part of it.

1603
01:58:57.880 --> 01:59:01.880
I think the worst, uh version
of of cannibal thing stuff is I did

1604
01:59:01.920 --> 01:59:06.079
an announce this of Cormick McCarthy's The
Road, yea, the book, and

1605
01:59:06.239 --> 01:59:12.119
that's uh, that is to me
where this stuff ends up, you know,

1606
01:59:12.199 --> 01:59:14.680
with the world burning and there.
I mean, it's it's it's so

1607
01:59:15.920 --> 01:59:19.000
dark and so disturbing. Uh.
But but this one, you know,

1608
01:59:19.039 --> 01:59:26.079
plays on a kind of artistic and
artistic satire. And so they're they're they're

1609
01:59:26.079 --> 01:59:31.119
about to make love, right,
and she pulls a reverse John Wayne Bobbitt,

1610
01:59:31.359 --> 01:59:36.319
She pulls a John Wayne Hobbit on
him. Uh, and and then

1611
01:59:36.560 --> 01:59:42.199
he turns into an immediate monster,
so we see glimpses of his face.

1612
01:59:42.279 --> 01:59:44.520
I thought this was clever in the
movie, that it's very subtle, but

1613
01:59:44.600 --> 01:59:48.039
people describe, you know, how
like that. You know, Bundy's physiognomy

1614
01:59:48.039 --> 01:59:51.359
would change, right, and he
would turn into this monster. And he

1615
01:59:51.439 --> 01:59:56.000
had he was you know, he
was involved in he had did these kinds

1616
01:59:56.000 --> 01:59:59.239
of activities, and he does that
when this happens to him, right,

1617
01:59:59.279 --> 02:00:01.239
he turns into kind of a ghoulish
monster, and he says he's gonna cut

1618
02:00:01.239 --> 02:00:06.600
her heart out and all this stuff. And then she I thought it was

1619
02:00:06.680 --> 02:00:11.359
interesting how she went downstairs to rescue
the other girls, right, and then

1620
02:00:11.359 --> 02:00:13.840
they try and leave, and they
really I thought this was cool how they

1621
02:00:13.920 --> 02:00:17.680
fought back. You know, it
was pretty clever because uh, they really,

1622
02:00:17.880 --> 02:00:21.439
I mean a third of the movie
is fighting and then they escape.

1623
02:00:21.479 --> 02:00:24.600
One of the girls has no legs, she got no ass, you know.

1624
02:00:24.680 --> 02:00:28.279
They walk out in the backyard and
then he's got a gun, right,

1625
02:00:28.359 --> 02:00:31.640
he's firing into the wilderness, and
he says, you lied to me,

1626
02:00:32.600 --> 02:00:35.319
right, you lie? Oh yeah, he was totally but her and

1627
02:00:35.399 --> 02:00:40.039
betrayed, even though yeah, there
was there was two people but hurt in

1628
02:00:40.119 --> 02:00:44.199
this. I guess, well,
that was the least believable thing about the

1629
02:00:44.279 --> 02:00:47.079
whole movie. You would die from
a wound like that, You can't just

1630
02:00:49.359 --> 02:00:51.960
from me. I don't understand how
he did that. And then like a

1631
02:00:53.000 --> 02:00:56.119
few days later, she's up dancing
with him. That seemed a little Yeah,

1632
02:00:56.880 --> 02:01:00.720
well because I guess because you know
he's a mister you know, elite,

1633
02:01:00.760 --> 02:01:02.399
the plastic surgeon. He caught her
eyed, he said, he caught

1634
02:01:02.439 --> 02:01:06.840
her eyes. The wound he puts
her He slaps her butt into a bucket,

1635
02:01:08.479 --> 02:01:11.640
that's what he was like. No, yeah, and he's like,

1636
02:01:11.760 --> 02:01:14.279
you know, you need some more
demo. All that'll hop So that helped

1637
02:01:14.319 --> 02:01:15.399
her, right, she at least
he's on drugs, I guess, having

1638
02:01:15.439 --> 02:01:19.239
to go through this hell. Uh. And but then they're out in the

1639
02:01:19.239 --> 02:01:25.079
wilderness, right, and then the
phone glow. She gets the phone like

1640
02:01:25.159 --> 02:01:27.960
as if she could use it,
right, But she gets the phone,

1641
02:01:28.239 --> 02:01:31.760
like, just just get rid of
the guy all together in one place,

1642
02:01:32.520 --> 02:01:36.000
right, don't try and escape into
the woods like you got the meat tender

1643
02:01:36.039 --> 02:01:40.760
eyes are there? I mean,
come on right, that's the classic movie.

1644
02:01:41.720 --> 02:01:44.640
Foil Is like, once you got
him down, just finish him off.

1645
02:01:44.720 --> 02:01:48.520
Man. Well, another funny detail
was how the friend was texting her,

1646
02:01:48.720 --> 02:01:54.439
and it was clearly him replying on
the phone. Right, She's like,

1647
02:01:54.479 --> 02:01:57.760
where are you? I'm going after
the he has a he's married,

1648
02:01:57.800 --> 02:02:00.199
and he's like, oh snaps,
really, what are you going to do?

1649
02:02:00.439 --> 02:02:02.640
Question mark? So it was him, yeah, replying in the text

1650
02:02:02.680 --> 02:02:06.359
message. But anyway, then the
the wife shows up and then that's when

1651
02:02:06.399 --> 02:02:09.960
it really turned because when she kills
her with the shovel, right, she

1652
02:02:10.079 --> 02:02:14.399
says, you ought a worst kind
of woman, right, The women should

1653
02:02:14.399 --> 02:02:20.239
stick together. So they killed a
woman. The pat you know, mister

1654
02:02:20.279 --> 02:02:26.119
Apache or whatever, pieces out and
that's it. I guess it's over.

1655
02:02:27.600 --> 02:02:30.680
So that so that was fresh,
Okay. A couple of loose ends,

1656
02:02:30.760 --> 02:02:34.840
like the bodyguard and I thought that
they were going to run into the bartender

1657
02:02:34.880 --> 02:02:38.680
in the driveway and he was going
to help him escape. Well, I

1658
02:02:38.760 --> 02:02:44.479
guess the bodyguard probably has to go
back and let the Pyramid people know what's

1659
02:02:44.520 --> 02:02:47.039
going on, right, because he
also says at one point he's like,

1660
02:02:47.159 --> 02:02:51.319
yeah, you don't want to screw
up the order with these people or something

1661
02:02:51.359 --> 02:02:56.279
like that, like they'll they'll they
want to eat this guy. Oh oh,

1662
02:02:56.319 --> 02:02:59.439
I know what happened to him.
She said, she said when she

1663
02:02:59.520 --> 02:03:01.079
found her, and she said,
you need to put this body on ice.

1664
02:03:01.680 --> 02:03:04.960
Oh okay, So so he was
the next meal, right, and

1665
02:03:05.039 --> 02:03:10.840
that's when you see at the end
as the elite, Yeah feasting. Yeah,

1666
02:03:11.159 --> 02:03:14.520
they're feasting on him, I guess. So okay, So all right,

1667
02:03:14.600 --> 02:03:15.520
y'all, I'll like to share out
there. We got one more movie

1668
02:03:15.560 --> 02:03:18.840
to do here, and this is
probably the most well known and most successful

1669
02:03:18.840 --> 02:03:24.279
of these movies. This is get
Out. This was Jordan Peele's first movie.

1670
02:03:25.119 --> 02:03:28.520
He also did Us, you guys
covered Us, and I just did

1671
02:03:29.079 --> 02:03:31.279
the movie that he produced, which
is the Candyman reboot, which I thought

1672
02:03:31.399 --> 02:03:36.279
was surprisingly good. And he also
did Nope, the which was you know,

1673
02:03:36.359 --> 02:03:41.960
the fake alien movie. But this
movie I thought it was interesting that

1674
02:03:42.319 --> 02:03:47.680
that you know that the movie proceeds
are almost always you know, it's it's

1675
02:03:47.680 --> 02:03:51.000
always fake numbers. Right, Oh
the movie costs three hundred million dollars.

1676
02:03:51.079 --> 02:03:54.760
Yeah, right, Well, this
movie apparently, and it says this in

1677
02:03:54.800 --> 02:03:57.640
the on the page that it's it
costs four and a half million dollars to

1678
02:03:57.720 --> 02:04:00.319
produce, and it made like two
hundred and fifty five million. So I

1679
02:04:00.359 --> 02:04:02.119
thought that was interesting. I never
see that with movies. But it was

1680
02:04:02.279 --> 02:04:08.479
very it was very successful. And
this is Jordan Peele's get out. So

1681
02:04:08.600 --> 02:04:10.359
what did you? What did you? What's your What do you guys think?

1682
02:04:10.479 --> 02:04:15.439
Is right off the bat to me? It I mean I saw it

1683
02:04:15.479 --> 02:04:17.760
when it came out, and I
thought I focused on the m kilter elements.

1684
02:04:18.439 --> 02:04:23.279
Rewatching it, it felt very again
woke horror, which is kind of

1685
02:04:23.319 --> 02:04:28.000
annoying to me just as a film. Though I don't think it's a bad

1686
02:04:28.119 --> 02:04:31.960
film. Some of the elements are
kind of I didn't really care for the

1687
02:04:32.119 --> 02:04:38.640
ending, but overall, I thought
I had some interesting themes and symbolic significance.

1688
02:04:38.680 --> 02:04:43.239
I mean, he seems to really
focus on these kind of apocalyptic horror

1689
02:04:43.359 --> 02:04:46.319
themes and what he does. You
know, if you think about especially something

1690
02:04:46.399 --> 02:04:49.479
like us, and there's elements of
us that I like, that's probably my

1691
02:04:49.600 --> 02:04:54.359
favorite of his so far. I
didn't think Nope was. I mean,

1692
02:04:54.439 --> 02:04:58.239
Nope was okay. I thought it
was a lot of people think it's a

1693
02:04:58.279 --> 02:05:01.520
really good film. I thought it
was just kind of mediocre. But this

1694
02:05:01.640 --> 02:05:08.680
one actually kind of like it better
than Nope. I think it's what'd you

1695
02:05:08.720 --> 02:05:12.920
say, well, I think it's
I was thinking of us when they had

1696
02:05:12.960 --> 02:05:18.600
hands across America right that the Cloning
movie. Yeah, I thought this was.

1697
02:05:19.520 --> 02:05:21.439
I thought it was clever. You
know, it was pretty clever and

1698
02:05:21.520 --> 02:05:28.159
original because it went to the place
where I suppose when any of anybody watching

1699
02:05:28.279 --> 02:05:30.159
this, you know, anybody like
that's into this kind of thing, you

1700
02:05:30.279 --> 02:05:33.720
watch the trailer and you sort of
know. You figure it's gonna go to

1701
02:05:33.800 --> 02:05:36.359
this place, but you don't really
know if they're going to show it.

1702
02:05:38.079 --> 02:05:42.479
And they actually did with this movie, and I thought it was I thought

1703
02:05:42.479 --> 02:05:46.960
it was pretty clever how they managed
to get to that place and show what

1704
02:05:47.039 --> 02:05:50.279
do you mean, well, to
show the actual you know, we're gonna

1705
02:05:50.319 --> 02:05:57.279
do mk ultra. You know we're
gonna, yeah, we're gonna we're gonna

1706
02:05:57.319 --> 02:06:00.960
take you know, I like it. No, this is this is the

1707
02:06:00.119 --> 02:06:05.079
actual, like the this is like
the Nazi experiment of the putting the head

1708
02:06:05.600 --> 02:06:09.079
of a dog on another body.
Right, that's one of the things they

1709
02:06:09.119 --> 02:06:11.640
really did. But this is now
they're gonna do with humans. Yeah,

1710
02:06:11.640 --> 02:06:14.640
it was like West World season two. Right, We're gonna take the thing

1711
02:06:14.800 --> 02:06:17.399
and then somebody else is gonna inhabit
your body to live forever. Right,

1712
02:06:18.600 --> 02:06:23.960
And they actually did. I couldn't
believe that they that they that they showed

1713
02:06:24.000 --> 02:06:26.359
that. I didn't, you know, I thought, how are they gonna

1714
02:06:26.439 --> 02:06:28.920
Is it gonna veer off and go
somewhere else? Is it gonna go too

1715
02:06:28.960 --> 02:06:33.880
wek or whatever. But the first
scene in the movie is interesting because the

1716
02:06:33.880 --> 02:06:36.199
guy's walking down the street in the
nice neighborhood, right, and that and

1717
02:06:36.359 --> 02:06:40.239
he doesn't appear till much later in
the film, but he's walking down the

1718
02:06:40.239 --> 02:06:42.960
street. There's a he's taught,
you know, he's got a date or

1719
02:06:43.000 --> 02:06:45.239
whatever. We don't know what's going
on. And then the Porsche pulls up,

1720
02:06:45.600 --> 02:06:50.159
playing the playing the Run, Rabbit
Run. You know this the old

1721
02:06:51.319 --> 02:06:59.159
thirties honky talk music in a Porsche
is not good. That's that's like a

1722
02:06:59.239 --> 02:07:02.039
rich neighborhood. Yeah, it's like
it's like hearing somebody pull up listening to

1723
02:07:02.119 --> 02:07:09.600
the lat Laws in the van,
and then so so the van door,

1724
02:07:09.680 --> 02:07:11.800
you know, he backs up and
he's like, oh fuck this, I'm

1725
02:07:11.840 --> 02:07:15.119
out of here. Right, he
tries to turn around. The door opens

1726
02:07:15.199 --> 02:07:17.039
up and we see a guy in
a medieval helmet, you know, put

1727
02:07:17.119 --> 02:07:20.199
him in a choke hold. And
then that's it, right, don't want

1728
02:07:20.199 --> 02:07:26.199
to see a montage of this time. The modern art is photography. So

1729
02:07:26.600 --> 02:07:30.479
Jordan Pield does this a lot.
He does this in in Candy Man too,

1730
02:07:30.520 --> 02:07:33.159
which is an artist? An artist
is the one who's supposed to be

1731
02:07:33.199 --> 02:07:36.960
the conduit for our vision of the
future, right and the sort of the

1732
02:07:38.079 --> 02:07:40.119
zeit geist, I guess. And
then we see the pictures. We hear

1733
02:07:40.399 --> 02:07:44.960
childish gambino, we hear redbone playing, and then we see that he his

1734
02:07:45.079 --> 02:07:50.079
girlfriend is Brian Williams's daughter. I
flew in do Iraq under fire, right,

1735
02:07:51.720 --> 02:07:56.399
what's the name of the grind?
Yeah, it's his daughter, yeah,

1736
02:07:58.159 --> 02:08:05.159
and uh and she seems to be
perfect right again, She's all like

1737
02:08:05.279 --> 02:08:07.439
when you go on the date and
she's all smiles and she's saying everything right,

1738
02:08:07.560 --> 02:08:11.840
It's just yeah, I don't know, I don't know. She's like

1739
02:08:11.960 --> 02:08:20.600
the guy from fred Yeah, and
so they're gonna go away for the weekend

1740
02:08:20.720 --> 02:08:24.000
to the Horror hotel and they do, and they get on the road.

1741
02:08:24.079 --> 02:08:26.439
She's driving, he's got a text
his homeboy who works for the TSA.

1742
02:08:28.760 --> 02:08:33.159
Right, he's gonna you know,
he's the comic relief in the film.

1743
02:08:33.199 --> 02:08:41.199
And they hit a deer and uh, you know, we see it's a

1744
02:08:41.520 --> 02:08:46.319
tough scene. I hate scenes like
this in films. But the deer pops

1745
02:08:46.399 --> 02:08:50.399
up later in the film, right
when he's in the Ludovico technique chair looking

1746
02:08:50.439 --> 02:08:54.319
at the eyes of the deer,
So he's gonna be the roadkill, right

1747
02:08:56.640 --> 02:09:01.600
or something by it, and he
sees that as at odd. Yeah,

1748
02:09:03.439 --> 02:09:05.319
that doesn't face her. And then
they get there to the house and he

1749
02:09:05.439 --> 02:09:09.479
meets the parents. The dad's like, oh, yeah, we're over populated

1750
02:09:09.479 --> 02:09:11.880
with deer. We got to get
rid of him, which is a subtle

1751
02:09:13.039 --> 02:09:16.640
hint that he thinks that black people, right, And then he says,

1752
02:09:16.680 --> 02:09:18.800
oh, yeah, we got a
bunch of black mold in the basement.

1753
02:09:18.840 --> 02:09:22.760
So he's dropping all these racist hints, right the dad. Yeah, the

1754
02:09:22.840 --> 02:09:26.159
cop also, the cop, I
need to see your ID, right,

1755
02:09:26.279 --> 02:09:28.760
why do you need to see his
ID? He's just a passenger. And

1756
02:09:28.840 --> 02:09:31.880
then they get yeah, but of
course the dad covers it with the bullshit

1757
02:09:33.000 --> 02:09:39.600
of you know, oh, my
dad would have voted for Obama again three

1758
02:09:39.680 --> 02:09:41.279
times, like and it's like,
okay, and he's got the you know,

1759
02:09:41.399 --> 02:09:46.000
he's got his his fifties mad men. Sey Glass. He's playing this

1760
02:09:46.279 --> 02:09:50.079
like he's playing the white liberal,
right, the upper class white liberal.

1761
02:09:52.439 --> 02:09:56.319
Yeah. Did you recognize that actor? The dad? I don't remember what

1762
02:09:56.560 --> 02:10:01.800
he's Bradley Whitford. He plays the
guy from the Adam Sandler movie Billy Madison.

1763
02:10:03.279 --> 02:10:07.119
He's the villain in Billy Madison.
Okay, and they had to do

1764
02:10:07.199 --> 02:10:11.840
the game show, right, and
the yeah. And the wife, of

1765
02:10:11.960 --> 02:10:13.720
course, is in another one of
these movies, which is Being John.

1766
02:10:15.119 --> 02:10:16.680
She yeah, she was in Being
John Malcolm I think, which is another

1767
02:10:16.760 --> 02:10:20.960
movie about inhabiting another person. Right. The elites want to live for you

1768
02:10:20.000 --> 02:10:24.840
know, or whoever wants to live
so they so yeah. So then so

1769
02:10:24.960 --> 02:10:28.560
they're at the house, right,
and you know, they sit down,

1770
02:10:28.640 --> 02:10:33.600
they have their little sit down.
He's met the parents and then all of

1771
02:10:33.640 --> 02:10:37.000
a sudden, oh, there's there's
a party this weekend. And a train

1772
02:10:37.159 --> 02:10:41.199
of black cars pulls up, which
is very like they're going and they're all

1773
02:10:41.239 --> 02:10:46.279
in black like they're going to a
funeral, and note that there's a lot

1774
02:10:46.279 --> 02:10:52.960
of red everybody. And then also
they point out that they're very concerned that

1775
02:10:52.079 --> 02:10:56.319
he smokes, overly concerned, and
he doesn't. He notices that it's odd,

1776
02:10:56.359 --> 02:10:58.880
but he doesn't understand why. He's
like, yeah, okay, well,

1777
02:11:00.039 --> 02:11:01.239
I'm gonna quit. Eventually they're like, no, no, you need

1778
02:11:01.319 --> 02:11:05.640
to quit now. And then this
becomes the basis for her hypnosis. Right.

1779
02:11:05.800 --> 02:11:09.000
She hypnotizes, Oh, I can
hypnotize you and help you stop smoking,

1780
02:11:09.079 --> 02:11:13.039
and he's like, okay, whatever. It's like, first of all,

1781
02:11:13.119 --> 02:11:16.399
look, I'm gonna keep smoking,
all right, And the fact that

1782
02:11:16.479 --> 02:11:18.079
you're telling me I need to quit
means I'm gonna keep going. And also

1783
02:11:18.680 --> 02:11:22.520
you're I just met your mom and
she's a hypnotist with a teacup. I'm

1784
02:11:22.560 --> 02:11:26.159
out of here. Yeah. Right, brother is weird and calls him a

1785
02:11:26.239 --> 02:11:33.479
beast and talks about his genetics.
Remember the brother a UFC fight right away?

1786
02:11:35.319 --> 02:11:37.479
Yeah, So Caleb Landry Jones shows
up and he's got a he's a

1787
02:11:37.560 --> 02:11:41.600
lacrosse bro by the way, He's
he's fiddling with a lacrosse stick. I'm

1788
02:11:41.640 --> 02:11:45.920
like, bro, this guy la
cry, I'm a lax bro. This

1789
02:11:46.039 --> 02:11:48.479
guy, this guy's not This guy's
not a mini all right, but he's

1790
02:11:48.479 --> 02:11:52.680
a lax bro right, and he's
very aggressive. Right, he's the he's

1791
02:11:52.720 --> 02:11:54.159
the bad boy. He shows up
late or whatever. He's clearly the guy

1792
02:11:54.199 --> 02:12:00.279
that was in the Weird Night at
Mask who kidnapped the other guy. Yeah.

1793
02:12:00.359 --> 02:12:03.279
So so he's the enforcer for the
family. And then we also meet

1794
02:12:03.319 --> 02:12:07.479
the maid, right, who's probably
the best part in the whole movie.

1795
02:12:07.520 --> 02:12:11.279
Would you like some tea? Right? And that's when we learned that it's

1796
02:12:11.520 --> 02:12:16.039
the hypnotic thing is going to go
with this because when he takes the picture

1797
02:12:16.119 --> 02:12:22.039
and flashes the camera, it triggers
her back to reality. I guess she's

1798
02:12:22.520 --> 02:12:26.359
been sucked back up out of the
upside down and the real person inside of

1799
02:12:26.399 --> 02:12:30.479
hers, you know. Yeah.
The scared of the scene in this that

1800
02:12:30.600 --> 02:12:35.079
really bothered me is I hate movies
where there's somebody running at you really fast.

1801
02:12:37.439 --> 02:12:39.920
Right. The guy goes out in
the dark and the gardener's outside running

1802
02:12:41.039 --> 02:12:46.479
right at him. Right. That
that that bothers who we find out is

1803
02:12:46.560 --> 02:12:54.760
the granddad, right, yes,
yes, the granddad from Seinfeld Yeah,

1804
02:12:54.840 --> 02:13:01.119
so she's a hypnotist and she's using
forced association and trauma and yeah, put

1805
02:13:01.159 --> 02:13:05.319
him in the sunken place. Yeah, I thought that was weird. Well

1806
02:13:05.359 --> 02:13:11.199
that's to prepare him to write,
to be docile and controlled for the brain

1807
02:13:11.279 --> 02:13:13.399
transplant. But I don't understand it, Like, if they took his brain

1808
02:13:13.520 --> 02:13:18.600
out, why is his consciousness still
in there? Because you're not just your

1809
02:13:18.640 --> 02:13:20.920
brain, You're also there's more to
you. And that's why at one point

1810
02:13:20.960 --> 02:13:24.439
they say, well there's still a
sliver of that person still in there.

1811
02:13:26.560 --> 02:13:28.039
Were they taking out the whole brain? I thought they were doing a kind

1812
02:13:28.079 --> 02:13:35.439
of uh drino thing where they were
taking out the one chunk or one part.

1813
02:13:35.600 --> 02:13:39.960
So his brain is still there functioning, but the part with his consciousness

1814
02:13:41.079 --> 02:13:45.279
is being replaced. I just thought
it was like the tiny Yeah, but

1815
02:13:45.359 --> 02:13:46.920
it's the same it functions, is
the same thing though, Yeah, you're

1816
02:13:46.960 --> 02:13:52.720
right, And what else happens?
Yeah, So, like you were saying,

1817
02:13:52.760 --> 02:13:56.720
Jamie, you know, the forced
he dissociates to the place where he's

1818
02:13:56.760 --> 02:14:01.760
in the sunken place, which is
a kind of hellish abyss full of the

1819
02:14:01.880 --> 02:14:05.800
black goo world in a way.
It's total darkness. It's it's Miltonian,

1820
02:14:05.880 --> 02:14:09.399
right, He's in a totally which
is the realm of the dead, the

1821
02:14:09.520 --> 02:14:16.359
underworld, seeing seeing life through a
window. You remember when Kanye was talking

1822
02:14:16.359 --> 02:14:18.439
about this all the time, he
was bringing up the sunken but they got

1823
02:14:18.439 --> 02:14:22.439
me into sunken place, he said
that. Yeah, yeah, he said

1824
02:14:22.439 --> 02:14:26.560
it a bunch of times. Yeah, that's crazy. Yeah, you can

1825
02:14:26.600 --> 02:14:31.159
tell you just watched the movie and
right, yeah, but the friend,

1826
02:14:31.319 --> 02:14:37.359
the TSA friend was joking about sex
colts and then come to find out that

1827
02:14:37.520 --> 02:14:43.479
the first guy that got kidnapped was
actually sold to a old old boomer who

1828
02:14:43.560 --> 02:14:50.439
wanted a house slave sex person.
Mm hmm yeah yeah, and we get

1829
02:14:50.479 --> 02:14:54.720
the we get the Tyresia's character.
We get the blind the blind seer.

1830
02:14:56.079 --> 02:14:58.600
Right, so he's blind, but
he wants to I want to. I

1831
02:14:58.640 --> 02:15:01.079
don't want any of that stuff.
These people are you know, these people

1832
02:15:01.119 --> 02:15:07.399
are realist. I want your eye
man, yeah, right, he wants

1833
02:15:07.439 --> 02:15:11.840
his artistic vision. But he meets
all those you know, all the greatest

1834
02:15:11.920 --> 02:15:18.079
generation are people there. Let's see
your golf fringe, right, and the

1835
02:15:18.159 --> 02:15:20.439
sexy woman, right, the woman
he's got big muscles. This is in

1836
02:15:20.840 --> 02:15:24.199
right now, this is popular.
I don't know why he didn't leave way

1837
02:15:24.319 --> 02:15:30.680
earlier, because everybody was acting sus
from the very beginning. It's just well

1838
02:15:30.720 --> 02:15:33.359
because he was he liked the girl, and he thought, well, this

1839
02:15:33.479 --> 02:15:35.159
is just her weird family. I
like her enough, I'm gonna put up

1840
02:15:35.199 --> 02:15:37.920
with this. I just got to
get through this weekend and then go home.

1841
02:15:39.079 --> 02:15:41.319
And but then eventually I's like,
all right, now I've had enough,

1842
02:15:41.439 --> 02:15:43.279
so it's time to get out of
here. This is too much.

1843
02:15:43.399 --> 02:15:45.600
And then she's like, oh,
sorry, I can't give you the keys.

1844
02:15:46.640 --> 02:15:50.359
But he's he feels responsible for his
mom dying. That's his trauma remembory.

1845
02:15:50.520 --> 02:15:52.520
Yeah, and that's what the mom
already knew that about him because the

1846
02:15:52.960 --> 02:15:56.640
girlfriend had gotten all this out of
him. So he can't abandon his girlfriend

1847
02:15:56.960 --> 02:16:03.920
with her weirdo family. He wanted
normality, He wanted a structure and family,

1848
02:16:05.600 --> 02:16:09.880
and aside from all the weirdness,
it's like you don't want to believe.

1849
02:16:09.359 --> 02:16:15.399
And the problem with these movies is
that the person always experiences this disconnect

1850
02:16:15.439 --> 02:16:18.079
because they don't want to be rude. Right the bad things are happening and

1851
02:16:18.159 --> 02:16:20.439
you can see him happening, but
you don't want to be rude and walk

1852
02:16:20.479 --> 02:16:24.079
away, so you just want to
stay and you know it's not going to

1853
02:16:24.119 --> 02:16:28.640
turn out that way, because it
won't usually, but in this case it

1854
02:16:28.760 --> 02:16:33.479
does. And all the flags are
there and his friend is telling him,

1855
02:16:33.639 --> 02:16:35.079
but even his friend telling him,
you know, these people involved in a

1856
02:16:35.159 --> 02:16:37.040
cult, you know, that's what
the white people do. Well, I

1857
02:16:37.120 --> 02:16:41.719
mean, we can see that he's
right, but you're not going to believe

1858
02:16:41.799 --> 02:16:45.000
him in the same way that the
cops didn't believe him when he went to

1859
02:16:45.079 --> 02:16:48.200
the cops, because he makes the
mistake of talking in a kind of schizo

1860
02:16:48.440 --> 02:16:52.680
clownish way about when he starts dropping
jokes right the friend, he's like,

1861
02:16:52.760 --> 02:16:56.280
I work for the TSA, so
we know more than you guys do,

1862
02:16:56.520 --> 02:16:58.680
probably, you know. And at
that point they're like mm hmm, yeah

1863
02:17:00.479 --> 02:17:03.559
yeah. And that was the same
as in Fresh Right. Oh, so

1864
02:17:03.719 --> 02:17:09.319
your friend went on a date out
of town with their significant other, you

1865
02:17:09.399 --> 02:17:11.440
know, and and now you're worried
about them. Okay, sounds like,

1866
02:17:13.079 --> 02:17:16.040
yeah, the option I'm going to
believe you in the horror world. Yeah,

1867
02:17:16.799 --> 02:17:18.680
but uh, I like the fact
that when they do get him,

1868
02:17:18.719 --> 02:17:20.719
and they've got him, you know, in the chair, and they're making

1869
02:17:20.799 --> 02:17:28.040
him watch the creepy instructional video about
welcome. Uh, it's just like in

1870
02:17:28.120 --> 02:17:31.159
the invitation, it's like, welcome. You might be wondering why you're sitting

1871
02:17:31.200 --> 02:17:35.200
in this chair. Well, my
my ancient order has figured out how to

1872
02:17:35.280 --> 02:17:37.879
transfer conscious and he calls it an
order, so we know it's actually a

1873
02:17:39.040 --> 02:17:45.520
kind of a bloodline occult order here, which again is reminiscent of what some

1874
02:17:45.600 --> 02:17:48.159
of the s s actually tried to
do. Well, he called it the

1875
02:17:48.280 --> 02:17:52.399
Koala procedure, right, but he
said there's an order and they do alchemy.

1876
02:17:52.559 --> 02:18:01.719
Yeah, all hail the coagula and
this creepy like the g Maxwell character

1877
02:18:01.920 --> 02:18:09.840
procuring victims, right, Yeah,
she's a sex honey. She's a honey

1878
02:18:09.920 --> 02:18:18.479
trap to trap the you know,
the next meat. And then he discovers

1879
02:18:18.559 --> 02:18:20.799
that that's the horror scene is when
he figured he finds all the old pictures

1880
02:18:20.840 --> 02:18:26.600
of all the other guys that she's
seduced. I thought it was interesting.

1881
02:18:26.840 --> 02:18:30.680
So when he's on the TV explaining
the whole thing, he's like phase one

1882
02:18:30.760 --> 02:18:35.399
hypnotism, Phase two, mental preparation, Phase three transmutation, and this like

1883
02:18:35.760 --> 02:18:41.040
overlays perfectly to culture creation and trauma
based my control and MK ultra is the

1884
02:18:41.799 --> 02:18:46.559
the plan like first hypnotize, then
prepare, and then transmit. Mm.

1885
02:18:48.000 --> 02:18:52.760
The deer, I thought the deer
had a you know, it's like aside

1886
02:18:52.799 --> 02:18:58.200
from him being the prey, right
and the over you know, the overpopulation,

1887
02:19:00.360 --> 02:19:03.879
I guess the deer is like I
was thinking about Robert Graves and and

1888
02:19:03.000 --> 02:19:07.319
and it's also in Arthurian stuff,
the white heart they see, but they

1889
02:19:07.360 --> 02:19:11.920
see the heart, the h Art
heart, right, which functions as again

1890
02:19:11.920 --> 02:19:18.799
it's like a psychopomp. It's it's
a harbinger of of like illumination and so

1891
02:19:20.159 --> 02:19:22.760
and that literally is what happens because
the guy is going to see. He's

1892
02:19:22.799 --> 02:19:28.719
blind but now he can see.
But it's through stealing the corpus of someone

1893
02:19:28.799 --> 02:19:33.479
else and burying the other psyche inside
of oneself, which I guess is what

1894
02:19:33.600 --> 02:19:37.680
the psychiatrist is trying to say when
she's like, you know, you know,

1895
02:19:37.719 --> 02:19:41.719
the hypnotic part is like, oh, you've got this trauma buried inside

1896
02:19:41.760 --> 02:19:45.799
of you. I'm going to help
you realize it and be okay with it.

1897
02:19:45.959 --> 02:19:48.639
But in reality it's just a suffersion
of even that, right, which

1898
02:19:48.680 --> 02:19:54.040
is we're just going to bury you
inside this body. So so yeah,

1899
02:19:54.079 --> 02:19:56.760
so he's what happens. I mean, he's he's tied up, and then

1900
02:19:56.799 --> 02:20:01.319
he finds the fuzz inside the inside
the old sp or whatever that he's tied

1901
02:20:01.360 --> 02:20:03.239
to, and then he puts that
in his ears. So now he now

1902
02:20:03.360 --> 02:20:07.440
the the psychic tap tap tap,
which, by the way, we drive

1903
02:20:07.479 --> 02:20:13.559
you insane anyway, I do not
like the tea cup that drove me crazy?

1904
02:20:15.159 --> 02:20:18.639
Was so was the tea cup like
Alice in Wonderland? Oh good point,

1905
02:20:18.200 --> 02:20:20.920
you know. So he's at the
tea party and he goes through them

1906
02:20:22.040 --> 02:20:24.239
through the doorway into the dark.
He's in he's in the other side of

1907
02:20:24.280 --> 02:20:28.680
the mirror. I mean he's looking
at the television, so that's the other

1908
02:20:28.719 --> 02:20:31.920
side of the mirror. Also,
he's looking at the image. He's constantly

1909
02:20:31.280 --> 02:20:33.879
all these movies, they are always
constantly looking out the window, and the

1910
02:20:33.920 --> 02:20:37.079
window functions like he's looking in the
mirror at himself. But there's another world

1911
02:20:37.120 --> 02:20:41.159
beyond it that he has to go
out into. He tries, he goes

1912
02:20:41.239 --> 02:20:43.639
out. It's outside at night,
and that's where the God runs at him,

1913
02:20:43.680 --> 02:20:46.280
you know. And we're wondering what
we find out. These people are

1914
02:20:46.319 --> 02:20:50.600
all other victims of this. Again, we we have weird. What's the

1915
02:20:50.639 --> 02:20:52.440
girl listening to when she's on her
computer, like looking for the next tender

1916
02:20:52.520 --> 02:21:01.239
day. She's listening to the like
Belinda Carlisle or something ridiculous the time I've

1917
02:21:01.520 --> 02:21:09.799
never failed this way before, the
sauce with It's so true and not o'd

1918
02:21:09.920 --> 02:21:18.559
all to you. Yeah, so
she's like exactly what a white girl would

1919
02:21:18.559 --> 02:21:24.280
be listening, right, Yeah,
she wants to find her swazy right,

1920
02:21:24.239 --> 02:21:28.639
but she's got well anyway, So
so she's already looking for the next victim.

1921
02:21:28.719 --> 02:21:35.840
Right. She has changed her whole
appearance and demeanor from like a cool

1922
02:21:35.879 --> 02:21:43.239
girl who doesn't mind dating black guys
to super waspy anal like eating one piece

1923
02:21:43.280 --> 02:21:52.639
of cereal at a time with a
glass of milk. Yeah right, Yeah,

1924
02:21:52.680 --> 02:21:56.600
Well, she's prepping for the next
person that she's gonna and the brother

1925
02:21:56.799 --> 02:22:00.280
is the assistant, right, he's
the assistant downstairs. He's gonna come prep

1926
02:22:00.360 --> 02:22:05.479
him and he gets knocked He gets
knocked out, right, he's going to

1927
02:22:05.520 --> 02:22:07.399
come back, a true horror Trump. He's going to come back. But

1928
02:22:07.520 --> 02:22:11.479
I like that he Uh. The
deer is also the deer with the you

1929
02:22:11.559 --> 02:22:16.479
know, the deer antlers are a
Chekhov's gun. Right, we see the

1930
02:22:16.600 --> 02:22:20.760
sharp objects on the wall, so
that's gonna come back. The deer head,

1931
02:22:20.280 --> 02:22:24.360
right, trophy, that's significant that
he's going to lose his head.

1932
02:22:26.159 --> 02:22:31.120
Right. I forgot to mention the
last movie, the the keys that the

1933
02:22:31.200 --> 02:22:35.000
girl has in the dark alleyway she
stabs the guy in the neck and the

1934
02:22:35.079 --> 02:22:37.559
juggler with the keys, which was
weird. But in this one, it's

1935
02:22:37.600 --> 02:22:39.040
like, how is he going to
get out of this? What's he going

1936
02:22:39.120 --> 02:22:41.239
to use? Because you're always thinking
of that in the movies. What's he

1937
02:22:41.280 --> 02:22:43.639
going to use to get out?
And he runs the guy through like a

1938
02:22:43.680 --> 02:22:50.280
battering ram. But like, you
know, so take my take this head

1939
02:22:50.360 --> 02:22:52.920
instead. I guess that would be
so heavy though. I don't know if

1940
02:22:52.959 --> 02:22:56.399
you could run with they're not no, this is not this pelica handle.

1941
02:22:56.639 --> 02:22:58.799
Run with the deer head in your
hand. Yeah, well, especially if

1942
02:22:58.799 --> 02:23:05.360
they're gonna cut your head off and
take your brain. So yeah, like

1943
02:23:05.399 --> 02:23:07.959
if they're gonna do that to you, like I'm taking I'm picking up a

1944
02:23:09.399 --> 02:23:11.360
safe and knock it in on.
The guy said, I don't care what

1945
02:23:11.479 --> 02:23:15.239
it is, right, I'm knocking
this guy out, and and he gets

1946
02:23:15.319 --> 02:23:18.719
out and then he you know,
he what does he do to the woman?

1947
02:23:18.760 --> 02:23:20.440
I forget what he does to the
woman. He's got a lunch for

1948
02:23:20.520 --> 02:23:22.719
the tea cup, all the tea
cups on the table. He's got to

1949
02:23:22.799 --> 02:23:26.799
knock the tea cup off the table. I forget how she dies. He

1950
02:23:26.879 --> 02:23:30.479
takes care of the The brother comes
back to life. He bashes his head

1951
02:23:30.520 --> 02:23:33.200
in bash his head, and then
he gets in the car and goes out,

1952
02:23:33.399 --> 02:23:39.440
and the he runs over the woman, right, the woman, the

1953
02:23:39.479 --> 02:23:41.319
weird woman. He puts her in
the car, so he saves her.

1954
02:23:43.280 --> 02:23:48.079
Yeah, right, So I guess
he's gonna try. He's gonna go home

1955
02:23:48.120 --> 02:23:50.000
and take some pictures of her and
then that'll flash her back to who she

1956
02:23:50.120 --> 02:23:56.200
really is. And then uh,
and then what is the woman? What

1957
02:23:56.239 --> 02:23:58.680
does the girl do? The girlfriend? She gets in the car. Oh,

1958
02:23:58.760 --> 02:24:01.920
she she got a gun. Mm
hmm, she gets a gun.

1959
02:24:01.079 --> 02:24:05.280
Yeah. Yeah, And then he
gets saved by the friend who shows up.

1960
02:24:07.159 --> 02:24:09.879
Right, this kind of diosx mac
and I guess with the friend,

1961
02:24:11.559 --> 02:24:16.440
we wondered if there wasn't a cut
scene because he just shows up in a

1962
02:24:16.559 --> 02:24:18.760
cop car, like, so there
probably was a scene where he, you

1963
02:24:18.840 --> 02:24:22.440
know, grabbed a cop car and
fled or something. Because the cops wouldn't

1964
02:24:22.440 --> 02:24:26.399
believe him. Yeah, because in
real life, the cops would have been

1965
02:24:26.440 --> 02:24:28.239
with him. So there had to
be a scene that was cut or something.

1966
02:24:28.360 --> 02:24:35.920
Yeah, I'm taking this mother.
Yeah, and then they drive off

1967
02:24:35.920 --> 02:24:41.360
into the darkness and everything's all right. So the destination was death for the

1968
02:24:41.440 --> 02:24:43.680
other people. But thankfully, you
know, he escaped or whatever, and

1969
02:24:43.799 --> 02:24:46.799
that's it. Let's get out.
He got out. Yeah. Right.

1970
02:24:48.040 --> 02:24:52.120
But also it's like people are in
my head, get out of my head,

1971
02:24:52.280 --> 02:24:56.079
right, yeah, yeah, and
they can put on some young boy

1972
02:24:56.120 --> 02:25:00.920
in the car. They don't have
to listen to you know, run Rabbit

1973
02:25:01.079 --> 02:25:05.120
Run, which is interesting because the
rabbit right, so they're down, they're

1974
02:25:05.120 --> 02:25:09.440
going down the rabbit hole. Rabbit
Run was also you guys were talking about

1975
02:25:09.440 --> 02:25:11.959
Witches of east Wick the other night
and uh, which which John Updyke wrote

1976
02:25:11.959 --> 02:25:18.079
a book called Rabbit Rabbit Run,
Uh, North Northeastern establishment mixed in with

1977
02:25:18.280 --> 02:25:22.600
you know, Witches of Wick,
which is which is in the book is

1978
02:25:22.760 --> 02:25:26.159
literal witchcraft. They're they're actually performing
the book. Yeah, it's a lot

1979
02:25:26.239 --> 02:25:31.520
that the book kind of satire.
Is it darker? The book is darker,

1980
02:25:31.799 --> 02:25:35.319
Yeah, the book is way darker
and it's pretty clever because they you

1981
02:25:35.399 --> 02:25:39.959
know, we we know that the
Jack Nicholson character in the book that shows

1982
02:25:39.040 --> 02:25:43.040
up is clearly Satany. He shows
up in a church and he subverts the

1983
02:25:43.120 --> 02:25:48.600
natural order of things, and they
do have the religious character, but who

1984
02:25:48.799 --> 02:25:52.000
is awake to this? But then
they the witches do spells and they kill

1985
02:25:52.079 --> 02:25:58.920
her and they're they're like overtly performing
spells and doing kind of eyeswad shut they

1986
02:26:00.280 --> 02:26:03.719
at the house. And then the
point is that he subverts the order,

1987
02:26:03.799 --> 02:26:07.920
they all kind of destroy themselves,
and then he moves on to another place.

1988
02:26:09.840 --> 02:26:11.920
And so it's it's a lot different
from the film. They made it

1989
02:26:11.159 --> 02:26:13.159
much more, you know, try
to make it much more playful in the

1990
02:26:13.200 --> 02:26:16.440
film. But the book was not
bad. I was surprised by a book.

1991
02:26:16.559 --> 02:26:20.200
Oh good, the book was.
But there's kind of a you can't

1992
02:26:20.239 --> 02:26:22.959
help but see a sort of reference
into that, a literary reference, you

1993
02:26:24.000 --> 02:26:28.280
know, illusion into that with the
song, even though it's not overt that.

1994
02:26:28.680 --> 02:26:33.600
You know, there's a strato society
and then he's escaping back into I

1995
02:26:33.680 --> 02:26:39.159
guess urban modern world and leaving the
elites to themselves because the people the other

1996
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the other old people at the party
are going to go on regardless, right,

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So I guess they'll go on and
live until their bodies die. They

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find some other member of the coagula
right to help him keep going. But

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that's about it for those moves,
any takeaways, any anything else you guys

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want to. I apologize. I'm
uh my third stream today, so yeah,

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I'm kind of voice. All right, it's Friday night. We do

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a little night screaming here. Thanks
everybody. I really appreciate you'all. You'll

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want to stick around for just a
second while I do a super chess real

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quick. Yeah, okay, all
right, so real quick. So shouts

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out to Maddie out there at Digital
Mindfield, who drops six fifty and says,

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for any spooky fiction books, y'all
recommend any spooky fiction books, you'all

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recommend spooky Grilling Poe mm hmm.
There's that new season to What did you

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Say You? Jamie Orks and Craik
by Margaret at What is Spooky Fiction?

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I've been watching the follow the House
of Usher. I made it through two

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episodes of the Netflix thing. It's
you know, it's whatever. It's not

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po. It's supposed to be po, but it's again, it's elites having

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all the same things we've just described. You remember, r al Stein,

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I was all into spooky fiction when
I was a kid, like uh,

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dream fear Street and Christopher Pike,
those like young adult authors. What about

2015
02:27:56.079 --> 02:27:58.520
scary stories to tell in the dark
and the girls wears the necklace and then

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she takes off and her head falls
off. That's the one. The Monkey's

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02:28:05.520 --> 02:28:09.719
Paul was it. But yeah,
the spookiest thing that you read, I

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don't know. I read read true
books. I guess that read that Manson

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book that I just covered. Yeah, thank you, Maddie really appreciates you

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for that. Shouts out to Rachel
out there who since ten bucks it says,

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02:28:24.959 --> 02:28:28.120
epic collab. What were each of
your favorite Halloween costumes from when you

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were a kid? Big hugs to
you guys. All right, y'all,

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what's your favorite Halloween costume? Dracula. I was dragularly five years in a

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row. I wasn't allowed to have
Halloween, but I when I grew up,

2025
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I did it a couple of times. One time when I was Tinkerbell,

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02:28:43.719 --> 02:28:50.280
one time I was Alice in Wonderland. I was a vampire when I

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02:28:50.399 --> 02:28:54.479
was three, but I looked more
like a little GHOOLI with my with my

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02:28:54.600 --> 02:28:58.000
teeth, but my favorite was wolf
Man or I had I was like a

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02:28:58.040 --> 02:29:05.719
skeleton guy, wore a black hoodie
and I had a skeleton face. Yo.

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Shouts out to Buster, who sends
ten bucks and says, really great

2031
02:29:07.840 --> 02:29:11.879
show. Thank you, Really appreciate
that. Shouts out to Kristen who sends

2032
02:29:11.920 --> 02:29:16.479
five bucks. It says we're a
great stream. Jamie and Jay and guys,

2033
02:29:16.600 --> 02:29:20.239
thank you so much. Really appreciate
that. Shouts out to Jason,

2034
02:29:20.239 --> 02:29:22.920
who sends ten bucks, no comment. Thank you so much, Jason.

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02:29:24.000 --> 02:29:28.799
Really appreciate you all you do.
And uh, let's check one more time.

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02:29:28.879 --> 02:29:31.000
Let's let me check super chats real
quick. We got a big super

2037
02:29:31.079 --> 02:29:37.399
chat, so let me give us
shouts out here to oh let's see,

2038
02:29:39.319 --> 02:29:41.959
oh god, if I can even
get to this, well, I saw

2039
02:29:43.040 --> 02:29:46.680
we got a nine to ninety nine
in there, and give me a second,

2040
02:29:46.719 --> 02:29:52.440
you guys, and let me check
the donut chat. Wow, that's

2041
02:29:52.440 --> 02:29:56.200
going through. Thanks everybody for being
here tonight. Really appreciate you all,

2042
02:29:56.200 --> 02:30:01.200
and I hope everybody has a good
Spook season weekend. Shouts out to Heidi

2043
02:30:01.239 --> 02:30:03.639
out there, who sends twenty bucks
on donut Chat says love y'all, thank

2044
02:30:03.680 --> 02:30:07.799
you, HATTI really appreciate you.
Yo. Shouts out to bon Jovi nineteen

2045
02:30:07.840 --> 02:30:09.520
twelve, we sent fifty bucks on
donut Chat, no message, Wow,

2046
02:30:09.600 --> 02:30:16.319
thank you so much on you wracked
up tonight. Yeah, yeah, we

2047
02:30:16.440 --> 02:30:20.719
do, we do well. Thank
goodness because that dollar menu and a dollar

2048
02:30:20.760 --> 02:30:28.600
anymore. And I got to give
a shouts out before we go to uh

2049
02:30:30.079 --> 02:30:35.600
one more time to Nico if I
can get to who dropped one? It's

2050
02:30:35.680 --> 02:30:43.040
two hundred bucks. So shouts out
to Nico out there and sorry, my

2051
02:30:43.120 --> 02:30:46.799
computer say here we go, Here
we go. Yeah, shouts out to

2052
02:30:48.079 --> 02:30:52.440
uh Nico for that two hundred bucks. Really appreciate you out there, and

2053
02:30:52.000 --> 02:30:58.079
also got a couple of them here. Shouts out to WHOA. Shouts out

2054
02:30:58.120 --> 02:31:03.159
to Tyler who's sent Tyler sent us
in this one shouts out to Tyler for

2055
02:31:03.239 --> 02:31:05.920
one hundred bucks. Cheers, base, been listening to you since I think

2056
02:31:05.959 --> 02:31:09.200
clockworkerrs. I think that was the
last one. Shouts out to Tyler anyway

2057
02:31:09.200 --> 02:31:11.159
for that hundred bucks. The last
one shouts out to jet throw out there,

2058
02:31:11.760 --> 02:31:16.959
who sends nine to ninety nine and
says, Jay, this was for

2059
02:31:16.079 --> 02:31:22.399
you. The first time I saw
Hillary, she was stuff and baby did

2060
02:31:22.440 --> 02:31:26.840
it a carcass of a pumpkin.
That's good, Terry, Terry Nichols,

2061
02:31:28.239 --> 02:31:33.000
Larry Nicks, Yeah, Larry Nichols, that was from that's from old school

2062
02:31:33.040 --> 02:31:35.639
for that twenty five thousand dollars Nerds
stream that we did, that party that

2063
02:31:35.719 --> 02:31:39.959
he did. And finally shouts out
to Marconius, who drops five bucks and

2064
02:31:41.040 --> 02:31:45.079
says support. So, thank you, guys, that was very generous.

2065
02:31:45.079 --> 02:31:48.840
If you thank you so much.
If you want to support Jay and Jamie,

2066
02:31:48.920 --> 02:31:50.879
of course, you can go to
Jamie channel at Jamie Henshaw and watch

2067
02:31:50.920 --> 02:31:54.040
her streams. We did our streams
together on Peter Pan. We're gonna be

2068
02:31:54.040 --> 02:32:00.479
doing a DC Architecture and Dino Bots
sometime soon in the future. Shouts out

2069
02:32:00.520 --> 02:32:03.760
to Jay. Here, you go
to Jay Dyer and watch any of his

2070
02:32:03.840 --> 02:32:05.200
streams he did. This is his
third streams today. So we're thankful for

2071
02:32:05.280 --> 02:32:09.719
these two that they came here.
You can go and check out their books,

2072
02:32:09.760 --> 02:32:13.680
go to Jay store, go buy
Jamie and Jamie's books, anything else,

2073
02:32:13.760 --> 02:32:16.360
y' all. I want to say
I have a live stream on Sunday

2074
02:32:16.520 --> 02:32:22.200
at five Eastern. It's going to
be a party. My new Crinch core

2075
02:32:22.360 --> 02:32:26.200
song just dropped. It was actually
something that somebody kind of put together and

2076
02:32:26.319 --> 02:32:31.120
use some clips from me. So
go check out the new reggae Crinch Coors

2077
02:32:31.159 --> 02:32:33.520
song and just dropped. All right. All right, y'all, thank you

2078
02:32:33.639 --> 02:32:37.719
so much, support me anytime.
I love y'all. Thank you so much

2079
02:32:37.760 --> 02:32:39.799
for being here. Thank you too
for being here so much. I know

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everybody enjoyed it, all right,
Y'all's all, we got ladies