Very extra. Yo, yo, what's up? What's up y'all? Happy
spooky season, Happy Spooktober. You know, we got a special treat tonight.
We got Jane Jamie here, who invented Spootober. So we got four.
We're gonna be going number four not really Halloween movies tonight, but you
know they're spooky. One of them was almost unwatchable. It's horrific. Yeah,
yeah, it was, it was. It was pretty terrifying. These
are these are more than horrifying Halloween horror hotel movies. So tonight, y'all,
we're gonna be doing the Invitation, the menu, Cheese Burger, the
menu, Fresh and get Out, and of course Jay and Jamie have Jay's
talked about the invitation on the stream. I don't think you guys have done
get Out, You've done you've done the menu and and Fresh. I don't
think I don't think you've done Fresh. But this one is Jamie, I
liked it. The other night. You called it flesh, which was which
was appropriate accident. So where you guys want to start? You want to
start with the invitation. Yeah, so this movie, So this movie came
out in twenty fifteen, and there's two movies Invitation, both are once a
kind of a cheesy vampire, you know, Netflix movie. But this one
is pretty good. This one came out in twenty fifteen, and it's got
the Walmart Tom Hardy in it, and he looks like Tom Hardy. Yeah,
well yeah son, right, And and the the first thing off the
bat with this movie is that, like there there are common themes and common
things among the movies Tom Hardley Hardly that was that was too easy? Yeah,
And it's the dude from that movie Upgrade, right, you covered Upgrades.
And so the one of the things in this movie is that not to
skip to flash, but that the like the static is kind of the same,
right. So it's it's like you get in Invitation to the Horror Hotel,
right, which is this weird dinner party, and he got you know,
he drives up and the same thing happens when he's going to the party
as happens and get out, which is like he's driving there and he runs
over an animal, right, So and so it sort of sets the theme
for the rest of the movie. And this one it's a coyote, right,
and he has to put the coyote out of its misery, and then
he shows up at the party right and immediately when he walks in, there's
a group of like, it's very odd. It's a very odd feeling when
he walks in, because like the Lana, the vampirical Lana del Rey woman
walks down the stairs and she's got she's got like vampire teeth, but not
vampire teeth. And then there's a guy who kind of looks like him,
a beardy guy who kind of looks like him, and they're but like if
you've ever been to a dinner party and you walk in and they're like,
greetings, it's so good to see you, and they hug you very I
thought maybe you picked all of these because of the theme of food, but
then I realized it out doesn't really have a food theme, but it still
fits with the invitation to a weird, uh sort of party setting meal.
So I guess overalls, yeah, well, yeah, already horrific because it's
his old home and the party has been thrown by his ex wife and he's
bringing his new girlfriends, so that adds an extra. So you want to
come to the cook dinner, You want to come to the cook We got
fresh duck for cook. She's like, this ain't gonna be no cookout,
right, and it's it's it's the same as get out because there's a you
know, an obvious relationship that's different. And they walk in and and there
is like this sort of like who's the alpha of this house? A couple
of times in this movie, right, he makes it clear like this was
my home, and then the other guy's like, this is my home now,
and I run things a little differently here, but it was because her
parents were the one with the right and then yeah, and he flashes back
to the having a son, so he's traumatized by the loss of the sun
and now he's having to deal with his you know acts basically being there with
some new dude. Yeah. So so the setup for people who haven't seen
this, because probably people have seen this the least out of these formula or
maybe maybe fresh, but this movie kind of I thought it was pretty revelatory.
I mean, it's it's crazy because when you walk in, you're obviously
you're with the Tom Hardley guy because he's suspicious, like of the little things
that you would be suspicious of when you go in the house, So you're
kind of you know, you're looking at it from his perspective, like including
when he goes in and the guy locks the door and then removes the key
from the inside of the door, which is very odd, right, like
why but but he actually he like questions him, He's like, why why
are you doing that? What are you doing And he's like, you know,
well, we run things a little differently here. And then all the
people show up. So so it's a guy goes to the house and he's
meeting a group of friends like from his old life, and I got what
we find out is that they're all drawn to this house and this party because
it's weird because it's a birthday party, it's a dinner party, it's like
a it's like a reunion, right, And then we find out that there's
a sales pitch. There's sort of a sales pitch, and they bring that
up. So at what point when you guys are watching this there were you
like, oh, this is this is a cult? I mean, he's
well, I think I found this film around the time that it came out
searching for movies about cults, so I was kind of spoiled by the way
I searched for it. So I knew it was going to be about a
cult, but I like, because I didn't really know what it was going
to what kind of a cult? You know, are we going to get
like a a Jeffrey Badonka don't eating people cult? Are we going to get
like a Heaven's Gate? And what we end up getting is a Heaven's Gate
meets scientology kind of blend here. So I like the way they played on
like the you know, it's sort of like a new age Instagram guru man,
but also kind of scientology, kind of Heaven's Gate ish, And I
like how for a good while we don't know, even as things are getting
a little more weird and they have these weird kind of views about death and
death being an illusion, you still don't feel like they're a malicious, nefarious
cult. You think they're kind of benign. And so I love the build
up in this film to where, by the time of the actual dinner party,
that guy starts to realize the psychological doubt element was good too, because
he's he's in a position where he's kind of off base and off kilter because
it's an awkward situation being there with his new girlfriend at his old girlfriend or
his old wife's house. So he keeps feeling like he's the problem. And
it's almost like the cult knew that he would be in this weak state by
which he could then be recruited, being in this off kilter week, you
know, self doubt state that he's in. But he keeps and he keeps
doubting himself, but eventually he's like, no, wait a minute, this's
just just got too weird. Yeah, no, go ahead, Jamie.
It's funny because they're acting CULTI the first time you meet him, I mean,
she comes down the stairs in this flowy white dress and she's like hello,
and her name is Eden, and they're the very lovey dovey and then
you see this like weird naked girl down the hallway, right, Sadie,
And it's like, is this a cold or is it just La? Because
this is how people in LA act, Like this could be any normal dinner
party in Los Angeles, right. Yeah. When they walk in and the
new husband or whatever goes up and hugs the girl, he has this look
and he's like, what you know it was? It was an awkward It
was too much for meeting her at this party, right. And then when
he's standing there. I liked how like you said, like you don't know
whether he's something's obviously wrong right with him, because he looks broken and you
can tell from his you know, he's got this he's got this bushy look.
And they bring that up when he gets a lot of the things that
you think when you're watching a movie that you want to comment on, they
actually bring up in the movie. And I thought that was pretty clever,
And that's a way of like sort of misdirecting the audience to what you were
just saying that, you know, oh, no, these are just normal
things, right, Because they get there and one of the one of the
you know, there's this there's a Skittles couple there and the guy goes up
and he's like, oh, it's bushy beard, you know, uh,
And we know so that we know that's not his life, and then we
get flashbacks to his life. But like the moment where I knew that it
was wrong was Yeah. Number one. She comes down and she's dressed like
like Lona del Ray, and she's got these weird her teeth are like she's
got fangs, like more than a normal more than a normal human being,
and she's very smiley, and then he's he turns and he's like, he's
like and he looks and he sees Sadie Atkins in the other room with no
pants on, right, and she's not just the naked girl. She's like
got a top on but no pants, and you're like what and his expression
is like, this is there's something wrong here. And then when they go
in the kitchen, right, and he's he's talking to his ex wife,
and then there's the big there's the kind of tubby guy in there, and
and then she slaps him right, which is kind of a we're getting initiated
right into the ritual here. So she slaps him and she's like, that's
why no one ever takes you seriously because you think everything's a joke. And
it's a very it's an audible slap, and he comments on that. He's
like, that was an audible slap. That was that was hard. And
then so then they you know, so they go in and they're talking and
they're sitting around, right, and then we get more guests introduced, so
they're not the last kid. There's already people there. But when I really
knew this was gonna go bad, was when mister Jingles shows up. Okay,
who is John Carroll Lynch, the gigantic dude, the ball doughnut head
dude who plays the bad guy in Zodiac. You know he at the end
of Zodiac, Remember he's the guy they go. Jake Jollenhall walks in and
he's like, I think you're the Zodiac I think. Guy's like maybe,
yeah, right, and he plays mister Jingles in that In that I just
did an analysis of Final like The Final Girl, and I don't watch American
Horror Story, but there's one season I watched because it's about Richard Ramirez and
that guy plays the serial killer mister Jingles, so I knew when he showed
up. And even when he shows up, the guy, the main guy
is like, what, who the fuck is this? I mean, here's
this guy, what are you doing? And he hardly talks, so so
then you know they're sitting around talking I guess, and then they they are
drinking why we see some flashbacks to his former life. We know that he
had a son and they had a life together, and then they start talking
about like trauma, right, and it's then it's like the sales pitch and
yeah, That's what I'm saying that Colt waits until you're in a weak space
from trauma to seize upon you. Every room in the house is a trigger
for him, and he has the flashbacks, the PTSD flashbacks, and so
it's already a haunted house for this guy, it is. That's a good
point, Yeah, including including like false doors. Right, there was a
there's a door that's been removed. Now it's a wall he has. He
has he has the image of like, uh, there's this you know,
it's a husband and wife and a bath together, right, And it's a
kind of a weird scene because then like the sun comes in. But then
he comments on he's like, okay, that's the moment when the sun walked
in and the their mom and dad were being freaky. That's going to traumatize
him, you know. And it's a so his former life was like fun
and and he had birthday parties and all this stuff, and then we see
that his son has died of some accident, like at a birthday party.
There's a he got pinotted or something, and it's it's it's terrible, but
time has passed. And then when they're at this little when they're sitting around
and they say, oh, is this a salespit. You guys are in
a cult. And the cult they bring up was the one you guys talked
to about in the Americans. I think it was in the Americans. Remember
he goes to the s E is it E S T? The E s
T. It was a thing in the eighties, the Earhart Werner earts st
Yeah s to s that's right. Yeah. So they they even bring that
up. They're like, is this asked? What is this? And they
say, oh, there's this thing and it's called The Invitation. That's the
name of the movie. And so The Invitation is a thing that we now
know is popular, like in LA and they're like, oh, there's a
lot of people that are members, and you guys wouldn't even realize how many
people are members, which is foreshadowing for the future, right. And I
guess that's when mister Jingles stands up and says, I had a wife.
He made abstract modern art that was electric and I knew I loved her.
And it's very weird because he you know, I guess you don't expect him
to be so like sensitive. But then they do the thing that that we're
going to see in get Out, which is they show an old, grainy
video mm hmm and they what did you what did you think of the video
that I liked it? I mean it was like cheesy, but also it
seemed kind of authentic, like the type of thing that you would watch if
you were being introduced to you know, some kind of Uh is this like
multi tiered marketing or is this a cult? What? Well did you catch
that it all started in Mexico? I don't know. Yeah, so a
lot, yeah, a lot of people go down to South America and Mexico
for enlightenment in ayahuasca and payots, yeah, to have your mushrooms or like
whatever, trip and come back. Yeah right. Yeah. So so they're
down in the valley in Mexico having these weird, you know, pervert ceremonies.
Wa Tristan is up on the mountain watching them. He's watching like a
perth. Yeah yeah. So and the thing they bring up about Mexico is
like they go, so the guy, the one guy, says, so
what really happens in Mexico? You know? And they're like, oh,
anything you want, you know, you can have anything you want. And
they they the one girl kisses, So we've had a it's like it's a
it's an initiation, right. So there's a slap and then there's a kiss.
So the girl kisses the other girl and she's like, oh, I
think I like that. Now we can be free to do whatever we want.
And then somebody busts out some cocaine at one point and the girl says,
bust it out. And then we see the cult guy who's a you
know, kind of average looking guy, but he's got Marshall apple white eyes
and he's in a circle like in trees. Yeah, and then he says
he gets he gives all the terms, right. He's like, they say,
uh, well, it's it's much more grounded than est but it's also
spiritual. Yeah, right, and uh then what happens? Oh oh,
then we see the video of the death. They show a video of a
woman and they're like at her bedside, and that's very that's very bizarre because
when you're watching it, you can't really tell is this woman dying or is
they are they just like sitting beside or did did they did they euthanize?
Was there like a willful choice? You don't really know? And if I
Remember it doesn't he say that death is an illusion? Isn't that part of
the Yeah, say pain is optional? Pain is optional? Or And this
reminds me of like a lot of these New Age gurus actually say this.
People don't know this, but we did a stream about til Swan and she's
had a lot of controversy because she actually says, oh, this was an
illusion. If you unlive yourself, you're just entering into a new state of
beni and coming back right. So she kind of actually teaches us. A
lot of the other gurus teach it too, So it's fitting because it's a
popular guru idea. Didn't that guy John of God go to Mexico and South
America a lot? I don't know about Mexico, but he was in I
think Peru and he was convicted recently for trafficking and I think they gave him
like one hundred years in jail. Yeah. They they also bring up science.
Remember when they're in the kitchen, she says, Oh, it's very
scientific because you know your pain is just neurons, and you choose where to
channel your pain. And it becomes when the dinner plays into this later because
I started to thinking, is this like an eat is this going to mean
to eat the pain? You know? Guy ceremony? Where what's what's gonna
happen here? And the pain thing plays the first it's an emotional pain,
right, and it's a mental pain, and then it's a physical pain.
But it's pain less because we watch the woman pass away, and when you're
watching again, you can't really tell if they're euthanizing her. She's if they're
what they're doing. But it's weird because the the apple white guy like she's
dying and he like looks up like while she's dying, and he's like,
can't you see it's painless? Look now she's gone away and she's in all
of us. And when they end the video, the the like people have
a they're they're normal. They're normal people at least at this thing. Not
everybody is in this call because one of the girls is like, what the
fuck? What was that? Why would you show that? And then the
Tom Hardley guy says, you know you think that's a good idea to show
that at a dinner party. I'm just questioning that, what's the what's the
what's the deal here? And the main guy, the the who's like a
tech tech guru, you know guy or whatever. The new replacement bearded guy
is like, well, you know, you can choose to take this seriously
or whatever. So now they're full on, like in the pitch, and
we know that mister Jingles is going to be the enforcer of this thing because
he's the big guy that shows up, and because then the woman who was
trying to have a conversation with him on the stairs says, you know what,
I'm gonna go and when you what did you guys when I was watching
that. I just rewatched it this afternoon. When I rewatched it, I
thought, good for you, get out, get get out, whatever it
takes to get out and get out. But are they gonna let her go?
And the movie did a really clever job of of last minute things where
is she going to get away? Because they try, oh, why don't
you stay? You stay a little longer than Finally dude's like, just you
know, just let her go or whatever, and then they unlock the door.
She walks out, and then of course the enforcer stands up and says,
hmm, I'm going to walk her to her car, And you're like,
no, no, don't, don't let mister Jingles, walk you to
your prius. It's about and and so he walks out. He's very you
know, oh, and he backs up and the guys stand there watching through
the window, right, and then we're like, okay, she got away.
But at the last minute he's like, oh, Linda, hold on,
I forgot and then he gets taken away from the window. So I
thought, this is the moment where he kills her in the car, right,
He's not gonna let her get away, and then he comes back in
like nothing happened. But they're all it's it's this thing of like, you
know, it's it's like total gas it's it's it's actual gas lighting at the
place. They're they're playing on your your fears. They're you know, subverting
your your expectations. She had bars put on all the windows so you can't
get out, So like there's the added layer of like claustrophobia or yeah,
you're gonna have to You're gonna be forced to make a decision tonight whether you
accept the pitch or whether you try to fight. Right that, we're getting
more and more intimations that it's about to be Odane brawl up in here,
right, which is which is what happens in the next movie. We're gonna
cover Oh everyone's here. It's gonna die tonight. Right, So but what's
the reason she gives for the bars. She's like, you know, oh
this is oh yeah, they say. He says, oh, no,
we had We're in Laurel Canyon and uh, you know, we had some
dangerous psychopaths break in here last week and uh, you know, into a
house around here and you know, kill a bunch of people at Clo Drive.
It was very weird. And then the other guy's like, oh,
he's lying, right, so it's made up. But like you said,
it's it's cluster pho. And the aesthetic of this place is the exact same
as in Fresh, where it's like muted and flesh colored, you know,
red and yellow. I'm sure I turned the fan on. It's hot in
here. Yeah, yeah, it's getting steamy. He's getting steamy this dinner.
So so then they I guess, go ahead, Jamie, I just
said it's too hot in the kitchen, stoke. So so then they go
up and then they have dinner, and we get the food scene, right,
and and before that he had gone snooping through the rooms, and he
went straight to the drawer where he knew the pills would be right, and
he found the pills, and then he showed him to the doctor and he's
like, what are these pills? You know? And the guy's like,
oh, you've been rifling through the drawers, you know. Oh, it's
don't worry, it's Phoeni barbital. It's nothing right, right, So I
guess the turning point the Volta that is when he sees them drinking the wine
and he slaps the wine out of their hands and he's like, don't drink
the wine. So now he's broken character, right, he's full on going
to ruin the dinner. And and then we see I guess what happened.
One of the women like odd at the table, did you notice it was
roth childline? Yeah, yeah yeah. And it's also so that they're putting
the they poison somebody, right, that's why he Yeah, that's what I
thought, yeah right, yeah, so so yes, yes, they were
like, oh it's it's it's our child wine. You know, it only
costs thirty three million dollars a bottle, which again happens in in the menu,
not with our Child wine, but with a different one. You know,
it's a vintage. It's the only row of grapes, so they have
exclusive access to all the epicurean things at the dinner and yeah, and then
he breaks character and then and then even even at that point, they're like,
it's fine, it's fine. And then that's when Sadie goes nuts and
loses. She, by the way, has like intense crazy eyes, Sadie
character, you're ruining everything, right, and goes in closet. I do
think that Sadie was she was brought back from Mexico to be with the couple
from the calt and be like a throuple, right, Yeah, I suppose
so, Yeah, that's how they were acting. She was very huggy and
well she she confronts him at the pool outside. Remember, She's like,
you can kiss me if you want, and he's like no, and she's
like, oh you can. You can do creep creepy things to me and
he's like get off right nos, Like no, I want you to love
bombing and sex bombing exactly. Yeah. I knew a couple guys who went
to go be and the it's called the Twelve Tribes. I think some weird
called in California because they were promised pretty girls, and the pretty girls kept
inviting them. They're like, yeah, this girl's gonna be my girlfriend.
The didn't get it from them. Again, maybe they did get it,
maybe they got pretty got the pretty girl. It's still a mystery. Was
it in a redwood forest? The twelve tribes? You can you can become
a tree man. They became trees, which is what they wanted. So
so yeah, so they're at the dinner and she attacks him and then he
you know, he's like step off, you know, he throws her and
then she gets cracked on the heyad on the corner of the thing. And
then the doctor starts resuscitating her, and then Zuckerborg or whatever comes in and
uh smokes him right, shoots the guy in the back. And then mister
Jingles, who was very calm at this point, he's like, give me
the gun, just give me the gun. And then they start stabbing people
and then all all hell breaks loose, right, so then it becomes a
real like clo drive. Another thing too, that is that except for get
out, uh you know, meals traditionally have a religious significance. Meals are
always like in Biblical religion, meals are covenantal and so you're not just having
a meal with friends or whoever it's it's the god or the deity is also
a part of the meal. And so you know, meals are always seen
as religious, and so that's why it's interesting that in this situation, you
know, the invitation is not just to have food, it's actually to a
new covenantal meal where you're essentially going to be uniting yourself to uh. And
so I think there's actually when they when they show the red wine, you
know, it's actually an invitation like the Lord's Supper, right, a kind
of covenantal blood meal. Again, that's all symbolic that it's not going to
just be blood symbolically in the cop it's going to be blood spilled tonight.
Yeah. And Satanism too, you would often offer or consume the god,
or you're eating the god to have life from the God. Well, the
whole tribe would bring their offering to the idol and then they would give it
to the priest. The priest and he would take it into the fetish or
whatever, and then behind closed doors all the priests have there they eat the
food basically on behalf of the God exactly. I'm trying to think how many
characters there were where there where there's twelve or thirteen characters in the dinner?
Not sure? I think so. I think so. I wouldn't surprise me.
He also, by the way, he went into one of his rooms,
uh, and it was the room where he imagined, you know,
his son was, and he sees this in the flashback. He sees his
son playing with Dino bots, you know, in the room, and then
he like lays down on the bed. He sees this vision of his son.
And what gets inverted there is that like he he once he has this,
he's reunited with his son in his memories, and he even smiles when
he thinks of it. Right, But what they want to do is go
into the future to reunite with That's like their stated goal is, oh,
we'll see you soon, right for those brief few electrical moments after you pass
away into the star seed or whatever. But he goes, and he goes
and there's a computer, and he opens up the computer and of course it's
you know, Marshall Applewhite like giving directions to the guy, this is the
night, this is the night you will transform, right, and he's like,
this is not good. Yeah, it's nineteen ninety seven, ninety eight,
and it's a hailbop. They put on your nikes because tonight is the
night. And so then he goes back in and then yeah, and then
they start, you know, shooting and stabbing everybody, and then it becomes
a get a run and hide, you know scenario, and to hide.
And there's even like they have a cinema upstairs, right, little cinema room
they hide in there, So it's a meta you know. Mister Jingles walks
up the stairs and he's like, he's holding his thirty eight, like this,
where are they? And this was cool because he gets bopped over the
head by the girlfriend and that's unusual, right in the movies, not unusual
for her characters. She's gonna woop that ass. So she takes care of
Jingles and then the one of the Skintles guys takes care of the other guy.
Right, he stabs him at the foot of the stairs. But the
twist was great, right, I mean, it's not really a twist,
but he walks out in the backyard. Oh. Another thing is that's common
in all these movies. There's no cell phone reception right the menu fresh get
None of those none of them had cell phone reception. So people listen,
Look, we were talking about in half. In horror world, you might
as well just forget it, because it doesn't matter whether it's Verizon or ATMP.
There's no service in a horror world. There are different markers that you
can use to let you know if you're in a horror movie situation, and
no reception is one of them. Greasy last Chance, gas station man,
harboringer Boom is Yeah. I saw Jamie Kennedy's like he's doing a stand up
thing at like a Halloween thing about how to survive in horror. So he's
actually just doing a list of these things. And once you realize you're in
a horror movie, you better not do any of the big no nos.
You better not to drugs, no se split out, no money, split
out, no coward well split up, yeah, no splitting up. Like
yeah, if you violate the seven Deadly sins, you're basically opening yourself up
to the entities. But anyway, no entities in these movies, but there
is the entity of the colt. Basically remember in Silver Bullet in the Craper
King movie, Silver bullet with Gary Busey and it had the old coute right.
No, his children in the corn Yeah, they go on and there's
an old you know, fixing a car and he's like, y'all need to
get out of here. There's a lot of people. Listen to the guy
find that we charged forward into Yeah, go into the cornfield. Last chance,
gas, babe or in maximum overdrive. I think we got a situation
here. Do we have any warning signs? There was no last chance in
No, it wasn't the wasn't his black girlfriend. Wasn't she like that's kind
of weird or what is she was? She was she the one saying it's
okay, it's okay, I can't remember, try and leave okay. So
well she had the sense the red flags. Yeah, well, when you're
going to the party with her and you run over a coyote, it's time
to turn around. That was the first harbager that right, that was the
psychopomp trying to tell you don't don't keep going right And she's like, we
ran over Dan Dann squirrel on the way. We got to turn around,
and he's a coyote. Because the same thing happens to get out right,
with the friend who is like, while you're going, he says, why
are you going to why are you going to meet the white people? Parents?
Don't go? Right and right, the same thing happens in Fresh Right,
there's the there's the there's the black bartender, and he's like, you
know, don't don't go there. So listen to the dude. Right,
I guess that's the new replacement for the old coup. Right, maybe that's
the new archetype. Yeah, exactly, your suspicious black friend is the replacement.
Yeah. Yeah. But also if you're going to go, bring them
along because they're going to handle business, right and uh. But at the
end of the movie, right, he goes out into the backyard and that
was the place where the guy earlier had said, there's no reception, but
try the backyard. That's the best. Don't go alone. But so he
goes into the backyard and the guy was remember he took a little moment and
he hung up a little red lantern, which is very weird. I mean
it's not even Halloween. And he hung up a little red lantern all by
itself in the backyard. And then they go into the back and then they
see red lanterns everywhere, all over Laurel Canyon, and they hear hellish screams
and helicopters. So everybody, I guess in Laurel Canyon's like waiting for Hillbob,
everyone in the cult. Yeah, so it's a great ending. So
yeah, it was more of an apocalyptic thing. You're you think everything's just
confined to this you know, snazzy Laurel Canyon weird house, but no,
it's actually the cult is everywhere. Well yeah, it reminded me of twenty
twenty because the night that the things started in May and June, I mean
I went outside and and there was a cloud of smoke. I was right.
I was in the city, right up from downtown on a hill and
I went out on the back, on the back balcony, and there was
a giant cloud of smoke that came over and I was like, what is
this? And I heard helicopters and then I heard like hellish screaming, and
I got on, I got on about this is this is twenty This was
like early Jews, like May thirty first, twenty twenty when everything started burning.
Yeah, but it was the riots when the riots started. Oh okay,
so in Richmond, you know what happened was I got I said,
I thought, what's going on? So I got on Twitter and uh and
a bus had been set on fire right down the street, and the smoke
from the bus came over and that's where one of the riots started. Oh
and and I could and then that went on. That went on for a
month straight, like helicopters flying, screams, you know, which is weird
because the reflection of the flames down a hill, like you could see it
in the smoke cloud above the home. So but anyway, it just I
guess it it resonated because at the end of the film, they go out
and they see red. They see red, so there's murder and they hear
screaming and they hear they see a hillside and it's like, oh, the
world's burning in a different sense, but everything sort of changed. So so
so that was the invitation. So we've been invited into the other into the
horror hotel here where your destination is death. I guess, So what do
you want to do next? The menu other way? Because now that we've
been invited, now it's now it's time to go, because now we get
another invitation. Now it's time for meal. It's time for the meal.
Yeah, yeah, eating is religious? Do you mention that? Yeah?
I just mentioned that. And this is interesting because now we've got class warfare,
uh, to a pretty heavy degree. This is my second time watching
this film, and of course we did analysis with the SIB of Cinema guys
and they had a lot of good insights over there, and then rewatching it,
I was able to notice a lot more of the symbolism and the class
warfare that I didn't notice the first time. I don't know what you thought
about that, because you know what we you and I haven't talked about this
movie. What's your first thought on this? Well? I think that the
the class warfare, yeah, is is it's a clear I mean he makes
that clear as they go on. You're either you're you're either with the tourist
or you're with us, right, And I mean he's a working girl and
they make that clear of the movie work. She's part of a working class.
Yeah, And he says, as one provider of experiences to another,
I recognize a working person. But it's also interesting because it's a it's a
take on the subversion from within of the elite system, like they represent the
different corners of the you know pyramid. Right, there's there's entertainment, there's
finance, there's you know, uh, there's a literary quality, there's cultural,
there's there's all these different sort of I guess archetypes within the movie of
these people, corporate conglomerates who own him. So he is the leader of
this food cult, but he still has the boss and the people at the
table work for his boss, yes, yes, who he's ready to kill
about ready to kill yes? So yeah. So basically I thought it was
funny because Ray Fine plays this sort of Gordon Ramsey that snapped, right,
I mean, Gordon Ramsy is already kind of crazy, but you know,
we got like the celebrity you know, Hell's kitchen psycho chef that basically snaps
and is now a psycho serial killer. Right. I mean, it's a
good idea for a character, but it's a quasi cull. This is the
other part that's odd to me was how did he get all of these other
food service people to be willing to die for his uh, you know,
fire in the minds of chef revolution that he has, right, it's fire
in the minds of the of the serial killer. Chef. Right, Well,
the other chefs are like, you know, cadets. Yeah, it's
it's a it's a boot camp, boot camp. They live in a barracks
and the whole life is preparing food for they live in a barracks on an
island. Yeah, this one, this one was my favorite of these men.
Favorite. But I thought this one was the funniest of these movies because
it was because Ray Fines is like, is a great character in this right,
and it's it's so it's a satire in a way, right, And
and his his assistant what's her name, Inga, no Helga, it's something
I don't know. She's a little Japanese woman whose name is Inga. And
the scene where he says operate it initiates Operation Fallen Angel, and she looks
in the window and she goes But I can see this. It's outlandish,
and you wonder, why are these people so into this? And they'd be
willing to die. But I don't think it's it is a stretch, but
it's not up to that point. It's not too far. Because number one,
I've worked in a restaurant with a guy with a chef who was like
this. He was a Michelin. Guy was in the old in New York
and this guy he was, this guy was the most intense. He was
I was just a bar back in this place and it was off Herald Square
in New York. But you would go in and you'd say, you know,
I don't know, Table twelve is asking for their you know, stick
or whatever, and he'd say, they're asking, they're asking, Like it
was. Everything was intense. I mean, this guy was intense. It
was absolute silence in the in the kitchen, and he was a very intense
looking guy. And the way that they have their you know, their little
their barracks right where they go back. There was something they said. They
were like, what do you do for downtime and she was like, downtime,
there's no down time, and the toilets are right there, you know.
And that was very It's boot camp, but it's also it's also like
drama school. It's the same thing that people are together all day, every
day for years and they get you get so into this thing where at dramas,
at English drama school, they tell you. The first thing they say
is the guy, the main guy comes in, the old guy who owns
the place, and he says. The main the main rule here is say
yeah, say yes to everything. It doesn't matter what it is, right,
I mean, they're very intense and if you say anything like what do
you mean yet? You know, if you ask a question, he's like,
are you ready to leave the country. You know, it's it's like
all or nothing. So so they are willing to serve this guy who's he
is at the top. But it also has like an initiation. You know,
they have to cross a boundary, they have to cross the water to
get there. They got on their on their boat and go And Nicholas Holt
I thought was was pretty good in this movie because he's so pathetic, right,
and you know that right from the beginning, you're gonna get the mouth
feels, he says, and she says, don't say that. Well,
this is about like bourgeoisie delusion on one side and then like working class psychosis
on the other side. So they both have their mental illnesses, right,
yeah, yeah, Well it's kind of a of a lot of things.
It's the satirizing of a society that gets so affluent and wealthy that they're obsessed
over you know, their foodies. Right, I mean to have to be
a foodie, which is what the critic the whole character is he and he
the food, right, he's just a fan, he's just like a chef.
Yes, well so that, but he's a kind of and that's that's
why. Yeah, that's why ray Fine tells him to cook something and he
fails at it, showing that he can't do it right. But he's super
just narcissistic, arrogant dude the whole time, right, And so that humiliation
was to show him, you know, hey, you you don't actually have
the skills that you do. But yeah, I think that's it's critiquing a
society on a lot of levels. But there's also the sort of trauma involved
in it where ray Fine has snapped. And the idea, I think is
that you can have a society that gets so absurd and so so affluent that
everything becomes irrational and absurd, and that causes people to snap. They're super
potentious, Like they're like, we're eating the ocean. Remember, yes,
yes, he says it's some oceanic and he says it's some amniotic you would
say, And she says, oh, I think oceanic is better. Right.
They're walking on the beach, Welcome to Hawthorn, right, So they're
in hall. So with the hawthorn, I thought, is this is this
going to be? Is this a horror theme? Is this you know,
Nathaniel Hawthorne. Is this their upper their upper class Northeastern elites, you know?
But then you know I was looking into the hawthorn, right, Jamie,
the the hawthorn and the what was the thing the what was the name
of the wells? Well? Yeah, yeah, so hawthorn throw was like
cludy wells, which are like holy sing of water. Yes, So the
hawthorn is in Robert Graves, right, it's in It's in the White Goddess
and he talks about the the the the the Celtic like symbolism of the hawthorn.
So the hawthorn is ah like the Druids thought that the hawthorn would bleed
and scream at a holy site, which is kind of the same thing like
they said about Mandragora. But the man drake right, But and they grow
beside this the sca wells, right, which is becomes the holy sites like
Christian holy sites. And then the mayflower is a hawthorn, So mayflower,
I guess, uh. And they're sort of on this island, and that
I took it that they were like in the northeast, and and so it's
like you're going to a sacred place, right, but it's gonna be barbed
with characters that are you know, thorny, I guess. And and this
isn't the You kind of go into it thinking like this is the only time
these people are going to this place, and it's just this one event.
But we learned that that's the restaurant and that they have exclusive events every now
and again. Because the one guy who's the CEO guy, the old guy,
has been there eleven times. He makes sure to tell him eleven times.
Right there. Reminded me of that from Gilligan's Island. Who are they?
Yes, the angel from the Boss Danzer there for Angela's cameo, and
we get the finance bros. Right, So the finance bros are the wall
you know, Wall Street Silver or whatever is walking down the ramp and they're
like, bro, this is gonna be a great thing. There's gonna have
some fucking food here or whatever. And they get on the ferry and they
go over and and then they turn out too. So we'll get there.
I guess about how it's sort of burns. But when they walk into this,
we obviously have these people are picked and they were invited, and we've
got different you know, levels, But we don't know about Anya Taylor Joy,
right, And like you said in your stream, Jay, like she's
in all these asotechnic movies, She's in Split, She's in yeah. Yeah,
And so when she shows up, she says she's Margo and they're not
expecting her. So something is off. There's always something off, right,
Were we supposed to think that We're supposed to think that somehow Ray Fine picked
the people because they had slighted him at some point in the past. Like
these are specifically representative societal people that, in his mind were the douchebags of
society slighted him. They represented every group of I know that, but like,
but how did he know to like figure out who that that the older
guy you know was cheating with Anya Taylor Joy because they'd come to eat there.
They were regulars, but they didn't appreciate him. But I thought that
was the first time Anya Taylor Joy had been there because Ray Fine acted like
she wasn't supposed to be there. Yeah, So so everyone is picked and
he had his date right who was supposed to be picked, and she had
been through We don't know this, like if we're looking at it through their
eyes. The customers going there, we don't know that they've been through this
vetting process going there, we don't. We just know that the other people
are Oh, that's the two people, that's the three people, and they're
big and we're going to an exclusive event. But we don't know that they've
been vetted because when we get there, when Anya Taylor Joy shows up,
that's why it's a big you know ingy or whatever is like, hmm,
this will have to do and makes a big deal of it, but doesn't
say And then later Ray Fines goes through this this is for the folks at
home. Rain goes through this process of trying to figure out who she is
and what she's doing there, why she doesn't belong. But we learned that
the the system of getting those people there is a kind of it's almost like
they have their own blackmail operation going with these But when the patties or cookies
or pancakes or whatever they are with the tortillas with the images, were we
supposed to think, right, that the older guy cheating on Samantha from Who's
the Boss? And been there with Annia Taylor Joy Or was this at some
other place? No, no, he hadn't. He hadn't been there with
her. It was that was their trysts, right, okay? And this
actually this is a thing. Remember they bring this up in the movie.
How did you know about this? Or whatever? And and Inga says,
you know, here, we know everything about our customers. And I there's
a thing. There's a thing in the food, the upper echelons of the
food, foody thing. And it's they said it. Even the name,
the pretentious name, even matches what it is. And it's called dream catching.
And dream catching is where the restaurant will tailor the specific experience to the
tiniest whims of the elite going there. So they learn everything about their life.
So they learned that, you know, if you know, Belinda Williams
is going there, right, and he's a Dutch lord. They learned,
oh, he loved truffles when he was four. He had a dream about
them. So then they they provide these experiences for well, wasn't it the
guy, I don't know his name, you said it the guy from Renfield
had been in communication with Rafines getting these details set up. He said,
we've been playing this for eight months. Remember, yes, Yes, that
was it, and it was funny. It was if it had said nine
months, it would have been I guess too obvious, right, Like he
had birthed this guy wanted a new daddy, you know, he wanted a
new daddy in the chef. But it's almost like that Nicholas Holt was his
mole, right or you know, into these other people. Not like he
would know about the other the lives of the other people, but it's he's
his snitch, right. He Everything you want to know is going to come
from this kid because he just wants to please Ray Fines. And so that
over this eight month process, it's like you're I'm I'm birthing you as my
son and you get to emerge at the restaurant and then he's as in his
chance and he flubbed it. And that's why. Yeah, and I thought
that was particularly clever. Would he let him cook a mual and he totally
messed it up? Well, that was particularly clever because and I didn't expect
that because he's so he's so obsessed with food, and the like epicurean experience
of the food that I didn't even consider that he would want to cross over
to the other side, which is the providing this instead of taking that he
would actually give that. He would that that would even come up. But
Ray Fines was clever in or the character. They were clever to make that
one of the plot points because nobody else was given. You know, it's
like they're on the other side of the divide and we witness them cook,
but we're over here and you're and by the way, uh you know it
is it's obviously like a Gordon Ramsey character, right, And Nick Rushfort has
a good all this good stuff about Gordon Ramsey because you know, Gordon Ramsey
will go to fix these restaurants, right, and he'll insult them. You
know, he walks in and he'll insult them, and you know this plicy
shit, right, and then they go they go, well, you know,
you can't talk to me like that, and he goes, I'm here
to help you. Well, you're gonna talk back to me. But there's
been a spate of people who he fixed the restaurant and then the restaurant totally
tanked and then the people are no longer alive. Uh, it ruined their
life. Literally. Well, it's like there's two or three. Yeah,
there's too many of those episodes. And they do have that arc like he's
like, I'm here to help and then they're like okay, and he gets
in there and starts to fix things and the people will hate it and they're
like, we hate him. But then at the end he turns it all
around. They're all happy. Yeah. Yeah. So it's like it's like,
the worst thing is Gordon Ramsey showing up to your restaurant because even though
it's ship, you know, you trying to poison me, right, It's
like, well, they do have a clientele still, and the people are
there. They're there for the terrible food, but at least they're there and
they're paying. So then he fixes up the restaurant and then it becomes this
place where people can't afford the new place and it's it's on the Jersey Shore
or whatever, and they don't want to play for you know, they want
to pay for Beef Wellington, right. And then two weeks after he's gone,
it's a nice restaurant and then he goes bankrupt and then he's ruined their
life because now they're in debt. One of the dudes like jump then the
restaurant, he's got a racket. Yeah, but no that's not but he's
not going to buy him if they're unsuccessful because the people don't shop there.
I heard the Ramsey restaurant in Las Vegas is really good. Have you ever
seen Gordon Ramsey's Gordon Ramseys, Gordon Ramsey. There's another guy who's Gordon Ramsey's
guy who he's the this is the only man who ever make Golden Ramsey cry.
And he's a chef. He's the enfantelerib I forget his name, somebody
in the chat, what's that guy's name? He's a His idol is Jim
Morrison. He looks like when he was younger, he looked like Jim Morrison.
This this chef, he's English and he you know he could he was
a chef in France. And his thing is that he he carries like a
giant, you know, he carries a blade, a cooking knife, and
he doesn't yell like Gordon Ramsey does, but instead he's he's like, yes,
you know I could slice you and dice you and whip you into and
he like waves a knife right in your face. It's very, very intense.
But there's a clip of it on YouTube where Gordon Ramsey's young in his
kitchen and the guy's like, you'll never be a chef, you'll shit,
and Gordon Ramsey cries, and so that's that's Gordon. That these guys so
fancy chefs apparently have my goodral handlers is the thing we're learning, which I
had no idea of that. I never heard of this. I guess it
makes sense that Julia Child was in the OSS, so I guess the food
world is run by him. Kal Well, the critic in the movie The
Lady at the Table, her sin on the tortilla was getting other restaurants shut
down, Like right, yes, cleboy Whiteboard says Marco, it's Marco Pierre
white Yeah, and he still has shows. He's a he's a cool he's
kind of a you know how Anthony Bourdain was one of these guys in a
different respect. He was a writer and stuff, you know, but this
all fault Terry and actually, uh Ray Fines brings that up. That's one
of his points, he says, you know, it's when he has the
Sioux chef come up and he says he will never be great. He's very
good, but he will do you want my life? And the guy's like,
no, chef, because he says, to be in this position,
you have to sacrifice everything, right, You have to give your blood,
sweat and tears. You sacrifice your body, your relationships, your everything to
please people that you will never see and you will never meet again. And
so the sin for the woman, right is that she she supports him when
he's great, but she also tears down everyone from this ivory tower. And
the same thing occurs in that movie Birdman. Actually he confronts the critic in
the bar in that movie, the Michael Keaton movie. But yeah, so
what were you gonna say, Jamie? Now, I was thinking about Bourdain,
But I was thinking that, you know, some people will speculate that
he might have had some intelligence work that he was doing under this cover of
being this traveling eating shitty food person or whatever whatever his job was. I
don't know. I mean, it seems plausible and if that's true, but
he did had had these weird connections, and we did a boiler room on
it back at the time where he was pretty close to Dario Argento's daughter,
and they had these I think they were dating, right, and they had
these weird, occultic looking foods and they had tasted of like, you know,
cannibal type things. So there was really weird stuff going on with with
Bourdain. But but he's not technically a chef. So I was just trying
to think of connections between the chef world and really a child's only one I
could think of. He he was he was a chef. He was,
Yeah, he was. He has that in the book called Kitchen Confidential.
There's a movie with Bradley Cooper where he plays that character. And so what
happened with Bourdain was that he was became a chef in New York. He
spent half the time in France, and then he like he was a you
know, he was a bad boy chef. So he got I think he
was a hero He got addicted to heroin and he was into drugs, and
then as his penance, he went down to like New Orleans and he shocked
you know, five million oysters or whatever, and then started from the bottom
again. But yeah, it is weird that in the show he's like,
yeah, I'm here with Papa Doc right in Haiti and we're yeah or whatever.
You know, Well, there's a thing where they ate brains. I
mean, it was all kinds of crazy stuff. We did a whole boiler
room on it. I wasn't laughing at Boordina, I was laughing at I
thought Guy Fieri was the renegade chef. He's probably on our side of things,
right, He's like, yeah, we're going into Richmond, Virginia.
We're gonna eat a shitty burger. Right. Well, that's another thing with
the class warfare theme is that he serves no bread because bread is for common
people, but also like bread is for religious purposes like daily bread and communion
bread. Right, so yeah, so you and so you'll get no bread.
Just the little dots of color on the well. He was making a
statement of like oh yeah, he's sort of throwing it in the face of
the elite. Yeah, oh, you're too good for bread. We won't
be serving you bread because you're Yeah, that's how I imagine the bread.
There's a that scene reminded me of the scene at the start of the American
Psycho movie, and it's it's in the book as well, but in the
movie, Uh, they begin the they begin the film with that, which
is they're playing classical music and it's like drizzle on the plate like it's an
artwork, right, And that was that was at the time when eighties New
York food was like minimalist. And then they say, you know, you
know the the charcoal larugula and the mud soup is And so Bateman makes a
habit of quoting food reviews, like as part of the plot in the film,
and so he speaks through music reviews and food reviews because that speaks to
the elite and what the other people can't can't partake in. Yeah, yeah,
that's want to go to No can do? Got an eight thirty rands
at dorseas the orchid savice? Right, have you ever heard of that food
Ordelan? You know that is that's probably the most decadent food. Orderlon Ordelan
is Orderlon is a bird and to eat it, they they like they like
drown the bird in amorato and then they like resuscitate the bird and then you
you you eat the bird with a napkin over your head. I'm not kidding,
yeah, like you because just to hide your sin, that's it.
It's literally they do this in France at the eyeswad Chut parties, they have
a you can look it up. They have a a napkin over their head
and they're eating at the table and the bird is like they're eating under the
napkin. It's one of the decadents. It reminds me too of like of
those elite parties you see where there's naked bodies laid out with the food on
the body. And so it's sort of like one theme that we're going to
see in this. And what I think is in the menu is that the
elite class is predatory and so because they're feeding like credators on the working class
and so forth, then Ray Fine was to teach a lesson and say that
you know, I'm going to feed on you. I'm basically going to make
you all intomores. So yeah, somebody just posted a picture of a party
that Neil Patrick Harris had back in the day when Amy Winehouse died, and
there was like a life sized cake that looked like her corpse and it was
all zombie. It was really macab Yeah. Yeah, there was the Marinka
the Marinka party. Oh will produce this, by the way. Yeah,
remember he was he was yeah, he was at the Cakes of Light human
heads at the tables. Yeah thing and what's another thing? So so it's
continuous, like its confidence. It's funny because Ania Taylor Joyce character, he
starts off and he says, he has this monologue. Right, he comes
in and he right, he claps as the start of the ceremony, and
and he says, tonight, you do not eat, salivate, bloviate like
he you know whatever. And then when he comes over to her and he
confronts her, you haven't eaten a thing, she says, but you told
me not to eat. But I thought was pretty good, because you know
what I mean, he's thrown off, he's thrown off card. So I
think at that point he knows you don't belong here because he's not used to
like common man sass. He's used to be weird man and well, but
the elite are very picky and you know they wouldn't act that way, right,
Yeah. And what's her name in the movie, Uh, forget her
character's name, it's you know whatever, Yeah, yeah, yeah, Morgan.
She's like, what's Margo? Margo? Yes, yes, Margot,
Margot, Robbie. He says, what's your name? She says Margot Robbie
and he says, I've fed a lot of Margot Robbie's and you're no Margo.
Right. She has the bearing of someone who does not is doesn't belong
because she doesn't acquiesce to the ritual and the you know of this like ceremony
they're involved in. And the Hollywood guy, right, John Legwy's almost there
and he's a that was great because his beef with him is he says,
my one day off in thirty three years, I decided to go to the
cinema and I saw a film mister Sunshine. It was not sunny, yeah,
right? And then and then his assistant, right, who's the girl?
And they admit that they've been stealing from each other, right is in
their admission of guilt towards the end of the film. But he says to
her, she says, why am I here? And he's like, you
went to Brown University and she says yes, And he said, did you
take out student loans? And she says yes, and he says you're gone,
right, She said yeah, yeah, but she said no, yeah,
well yeah, because if she needed loans and she was working class,
right, makes sense? Yeah, So he said it's over for you.
Yeah, and they were just like, yeah, I guess so, yes.
Yeah. The lady outside, who's the lady from Ozark. Remember she
was the lawyer. I don't know if you guys seen an Ozark, but
she's the lawyer for the cartel. You know. She says, we're going
to die tonight, and the simp says, oh, definitely, yeah,
And that's when they go into the most Dangerous game, which I thought was
interesting because they walked outside, let's take the night there. Man, you
have a forty five second head start, so it becomes the most dangerous I
thought they were going to kill him there, and you know, so now
we're hunting human beings. Well, it's interesting that when the guy on the
lives himself, they don't really believe it's happening, Like the whole time,
it doesn't occur to them that this is actually real because they've been privileged.
Yeah, everything is sort of oh, it's part of the performance, right,
yeah, yes, no, this is the performance. Even though there
is a guy who's right like, yeah, right, yeah, there's it's
okay, there's a there's a there's a Hollywood guy there, right, and
he's like what are you talking about? This is not a perform and it
is a performance. I mean it is a performance. And the way that
the way that like when he does that, they have a matt laid out
on the ground like with sprinkles of sprigs of you know, like that's the
plate right, his little his speech, you know, his mother is there,
right, and he tells that story about the awful story about you know,
my father had a telephone cord, right, and they serve the chicken
with scissors in it like on the telephone cord. But it's sufficing to say.
All that happens. And then he gives her, He gives Margot a
chance right to go and get the whatever. So she gets she leaves the
home and goes and finds the CB radio, which is also another element of
tricking them, right. You know, you think you're gonna get help,
but you know you're all gonna die here. And that's when she she kills
Inga or whatever. Who. Now, now there's a power struggle, so
his assistant thinks she's going to take her place. And then there's the Fallen
Angel ceremony right with the Peter Thiel Angel investor who there are no substitutions.
Oh yeah, yes, he dared to. You know, he was investing.
He kept them going through Karunka and he dared to ask for substitutions right
with his meal. How dare he? One thing I didn't understand. Also,
you could probably help me understand this from a narrative perspective, is why
did he tell the one of the underling chef ladies that she could stab him
in the leg because he tried to sleep with her and she said no,
this is it just to show that he's kind of an an unhinged character,
but he has this weird sense of justice. Why do you think he did
that? Because they used the scissors to do that? Yeah, I thought
that that was his So so, first of all, he's the father to
these people who kind of worship him like a father, right, And that's
so it's a mirror of what he did to his father. It's also it's
a penance because he shows and he has no pain. Remember he talks about
how I can grab a scalding hand and fire. He can grab fire and
I feel no pain. But I also thought it was weird the last time
I watched it, I thought there was some sort of weird kind of like
almost like a fisher king symbolism here, like because they're on this island and
it's abundant and the fisher king in the in the Arthurian legend, the fisher
king is stabbed in the thigh or in the or in the groin, and
he has to be rejuvenated, you know, through the Holy Grail and when
when when he it comes back, when he experiences life again, which is
in the Arthurian you know lore, it's a it's a spiritual life. He
partakes. I think the grail is the Eucharist. When he partakes of the
euchars, like the land will grow. But in this it becomes more of
like a they're clear like wicker Man illusions in this to me because because the
place is abundant because of him, but also it's but now at this point,
like he's stabbed in the thigh and there's going to be death, so
the fruits of his labor are death. In this everyone's gonna die. And
the end of the film is a self immolation, right, it's a like
almost like a pagan sacrifice of these people, so that everything burns and then
she gets she's she leaves to tell that, which is like classical, very
classical. That she gets to leave and she's the one to tell the story
of the thing that happened. We see the flames and the reflection of her
eyes when she leaves, and that was very clever. How they did that
right, How she appeals to his sense of innocence and joy and making for
there's no joy. She says, it's all an intellectual activity. Well,
it's also we were talking about meals as covenant. In Biblical theology and traditional
Western religion, meals are seen as you know, with the divinity. You're
even in a sense partaking of the Divinity in terms of the Lord's Supper and
whatnot. Here we have also a meal that is a cursed meal, and
you get this in the New Testament as well, where Paul says, if
you partake of the Eucharist unworthily, you partake too death and two damnation to
destruction, so you can actually have a cursed meal. And in the Old
Testament there's a situation where if Israel, or one of the cities in Israel,
if they fell into certain types of extreme idolatry, the city was to
be Hormah, which is a burnt offering, which is to be burned up
basically, So burnt offering is another type of ritual offering, like a covenental
meal. And here I think that this is the culmination of like these people
are cursed and so they're undergoing a kind of burnt offering. Right. It's
also in an island, which is interesting because a lot of times these the
especially most dangerous game themes play out on islands. The island is I mean
in the in the short story, that's specifically what it is. He he
the guy falls off a boat. He crosses over the boundary, over the
chasm the abyss, right into this new world that is a The guy wants
to make it like a Zaroff, I think is the name. He wants
to make it like a like a neo gnostic, you know, a neogenesis
where he controls everything. Right, and well, it's the same thing in
the Island of Doctor Moreau too, yes, yeah, yeah, And the
I suppose it's like I don't know, or the island right, or or
or even the Hunger games. Right, It's a place, it's an other
place. It's it's other, it's apart from everyone else, and you have
to go no one has access to it. It's a it's it's isolated.
Why did you say chefs can be assassin What does that mean? Just that
chefs can have can poison people. And the ancient medieval world poisoning people was,
you know, a very common way to get rid of people. And
so you had to have food tasters at court because it was so common that
the nobility in kings and queens can be poisoned, that there was a guy
tasked with specifically being the person that tasted the king's food. It's an Hamlet,
I mean in Hamlet, it's the it's the poison pearl in the wine.
There's you know, Shakespeare read a play about I mean Tdys Sandronicas has
this as a play where the climax of the play is that he gets back
at the at the woman by hers, the Gothic woman. Her sons have
told they've done something to his daughter. They cut off her hands, replaced
them with tree stumps, and then cut out her tongue so she couldn't tell
who did it to her. So they can you to live right there in
the in the court with her. And so when Titus finds out about it,
finally he has them killed, and then he bakes them into pies and
then feeds them to her mother. This is in Shakespeare. Feeds it to
her mother who eats it, and he says, you're reading your son basically.
And I actually thought with this movie, I thought I thought that this
was the way the movie was going to go when I saw the trailers for
the movie when it first came out, I said, oh, this is
a clearly cannibal movie, you know, But it didn't turn out that way.
It was more of a it is but it's figurative, you know.
Yeah, Well, it's about eating the rich, right, It's like clast
warfare, and the rich can never be satisfied because he spent his whole life
trying to please strangers and you never can because that class of people, it's
just you can't please them. Well, he realizes they're psychopaths in a way,
or there's there are kind of like many psychopaths, and so he snaps
and it's like, I'm gonna out psychopath them all and I'm going to show
them what are the true psychopath is because I have the will to do what
these people couldn't even do. Yeah, it's interesting how she resolved it.
I mean the cheeseburger scene is, first of all, this is the best
cheeseburger I've ever seen since pulp fiction, right with the big It made me
hungry to yeah, the Wally burger, right, so she says, she
says, I want a cheeseburger, and his responses, I'll make you the
best chease burger. She's like, I have cheeseburger and live where'd you get
it? McDonald's. Wendy's big to Huna Burger because she's reminding him of the
best time in his life when he was just a cheeseburger maker, remember,
because she saw the picture of him flipping burgers all happy, smiling. Yeah,
so that's when he was actually cooking food with happiness. And now all
of the joy is taken out of it. And they even make point to
say that you don't cook with the most important ingredient, and she's like,
we always cook with love, right right, yes, yes, yes,
we have cooked. So Anya tails Door had to figure out his game and
his psyche, right yes, and that's how she ends up saved. She's
the only one that makes it out. But I still didn't exactly understand what
she figured out. I mean, she figured out he's working class and that
he could never please these people and he didn't get respect that he felt like
he always deserved. But how how did what she asked for get her off
of the island? Well, because because when first of all, they have
to go to the other place to get there, right, So that's far
into her, is it? Because let me ask you, this is it
because she figured out that his happiest time, like you said, was when
he was cooking hamburgers when he was young, and then he got into being
an elite chef and he's miserable because he can never please these people. But
he pleased the people when he was just feeding the working class hamburger exactly.
And so the rich people represent the ruin of his art I see, and
the waste of his life. She figured that out. Yeah, yeah,
and she stands up to him. It's funny how she stands up to him,
because she says, I don't like your food, and no one says
that to him, Yeah, especially in these elite circles. Yeah. Yeah,
So she confronts him and you can see that he respects her for saying
it. He's like, what about it, don't you like? And then
she asks, He says, we can make you anything, and you know
he's telling the truth. They can make anything. They have access to access
to anything, and they make it there, right, so they can feed
anybody anything anywhere. And she says, I want a cheeseburg, which no
one ever asked for at this place. And then when she says, oh,
you know, she uses all of the normal language that we do when
we go to a place that these people never do, which is now,
you know, my eyes were bigger than my stomach. Do you think I
could take it? You know? Can I get a doggie bag? You
can imagine like you could. No one says that to this guy, right,
a doggie bag, he says, you know, so I think we
can box. Even when she says she says uh, he says, would
you like fries with that? And she's like yes, and he's like crinkled
cut. He says, crinkled cut, yeah, or Julia is the friar
still on right? Yeah? Yes? Yes, So that's her way and
you can see it in his eyes. I really like Ray Fines. I
mean, he's he's uh. What's interesting about this is that Ray finds Ray
Fines went to Rada the Royal Academy of Dramatic Art. He's an Oscar winning
actor. He's a he's a he's a state. He's an English stage actor.
He was known for playing Hamlet when he was younger. He and Daniel
d Lewis both had these attacks on stage in the West End London of uh
seeing their dead father on stage as the ghost of Hamlet and having like a
sort of mental breakdown. But it's interesting because he's also British establishment. His
his uncle is Ranolph Finds who was British sas and was a member of that
secret club. It's a stupid day. But they're called the Feathermen, and
the Feathermen is a group of X S a S guys who are contracted out
to places and look after each other and because they write their things on with
a feather quill pen and at their meetings. That movie killer this is real.
There's a there's a movie killer elite. A lot of people see,
yes, that's that's him. He's Chopher Lee in this. I don't know
he might have been well, you know he was a s S. Yeah,
yeah, yeah, did you know that one of the fine it's one
of the fine. There's another one not Joe Joseph. I think there's a
third one, and he's orthodox iant to know that. Yeah, one of
them converted years ago, and it's either Joseph or the other one. Yeah,
yeah, Joseph. Joseph was in Shakespeare in Love. He was,
he's he's a good actor. But but Ray Fins and you know, Ray
Finds made his he made his role in in the Schindler movie, right as
the ultimate bad guy. He's a you know, he's a I don't know,
I like him, yeah, yes, yes, uh, he's great
because this this isn't really i mean just from an acting thing, this isn't
like a ironically, it's not like a meaty role. Right, There's not
a lot for him to do. He's in one place the whole movie.
He has like an office scene with her, and you know, there's not
a lot going on, so it's almost like a play. But everything is
sort of packed into his character, almost like the flavors that's probably too far,
but like packed into the food, right, I mean, so you
see it in his eyes. And it's interesting because most of these characters that
are like these psychopath characters and films, it's like they have this dead eyed
you know, black pupiled look, but he doesn't have that in this so
so any anyway, in the end, the place blows up and she gets
away and she keeps her humanity. I suppose what do you think is the
overall point of the satire here? Well, I think that I think it's
the class warfare is I think there are a number of elements. One there's
there's class warfare, but it's almost like a meta satire of class warfare where
it's it almost seems to be so obvious in the film that it twists back
on itself. And I don't really know how to explain that other than to
say that, like that just because the working class hero woman ah, and
she's like truly working, she's a working girl, right, just because she
wins in the end, doesn't mean that she win ends and that we see
a dichotomy where like there's a good side and a bad side. They all
end up dying, and that they are they there's a self immolation where to
me, it's almost like, does this mean that the system is going to
burn from the inside, because it's like Rome, you know, it's like
it's like you could see the same thing happening in ancient Rome, they're so
decinent that they're just going to bring themselves down outside. Don't forget the Rahab
element, right, because Rahab is the horror in the old Tessamon who understands
that the city is going to be destroyed, and because she has faith,
she's saved, even though she's immoral, but she believes and she's saved you
know, through fire. Basically, you could say, so she's basically a
kind of a Rahab character as well. Yeah, and they're offering sacrifice in
the Rehab story. The city is destroyed and she makes it out she's the
horror that survives. There's I mean, there's also the other, obviously element
of the meta film critique, right, which is like the Hollywood guys not
to be taken seriously. His his career is vapid and nothing, and yet
we're watching a film about the characters. Also that you know, I'm not
I don't like to take like lessons away from these things because I don't think
it's a lesson in the sense that you know, there's a moral, but
I think that there's something to be said for the fact that we do get
that it shows that the people who are you know, usually we see,
especially in literature, that characters who are willing to give everything for their art
or for a cause, or you know, because they're a military hero are
noble characters, right, They they're willing to give up their lives, you
know, either it's a literal sacrifice of their of themselves for someone else,
or all of their time and their relationships, you know. I mean we
see this with you know, with Mozart right or with the great artists,
like they have no life, but the thing they created will lift forever.
But in this we see that we're also being told that, like there's one
guy, all the rest of these people who think they have a shot at
this are not gonna make it, and that they're willing to sacrifice themselves but
for nothing because nobody will remember them. And even he doesn't want to be
you know, does he even want to be remembered? I mean, I
don't even know if he gives an indication of that. He's just done.
He just tie It's almost totally nihilistic. He just wants it all burn.
Yeah, he just wants it all to burn. Yeah yeah, yeah,
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spook tebra question. And that rahab element just came to me. I hope
that's uh an element that's worth mentioning because you know, a lot of a
lot of Western literature, and I'm not saying this is Western literature, but
any movie is still going to be influenced by you know, classic Western literature.
The Bible is a big part of that, and so a lot of
great lit you know, especially Shakespeare. It's it's rife with esoteric ideas as
well as biblical ideas. Yeah, so I think a lot of these stories
from the Old Testament, we can't forget those because and I watched this movie
twice without realizing the rehab element. But yeah, anyway, Yeah, the
Bible. Yeah, no, the Bible is uh the foundation for the Western
canon, for Western literature, just just alone with the simple fact that the
Bible is the best selling book of all time, continuously ever even now,
and that for a long time it's the only piece, it's the only written
word that anybody knew at all. So of course it's it's going to be,
you know, we're going to draw all of our stories and inspiration from
from from the Bible, and so I think that's appropriate. I think that,
you know, you could say like, oh, she represents the working
class, you know, the working girl, and is this saying that this
is I don't know something about the great reset world that we live in where
this is the noble character. But I don't think they're really doing that in
this. I think it takes on more of a biblical event where she clearly
has He says to her, you know, do you enjoy your work?
Right? Oh there's oh I forgot. The other element is if they are
looking at ray Fines like a father, and Nicholas Holt is like a fatherless
child and he wants to perform for his father. There's also the other element
that I didn't even think of, which is how she recognizes the corporate guy,
right, because there's the he was doing the activity with him off site.
That was the picture. And you remember what she says that he said
when she would have their trip, that he did his you know, his
his pervert things. But he's he he said, you're gonna pretend you're my
daughter. Yeah. Right, So so I think at that point in the
office, Ray Fines is like, I don't need to know the details,
but this is creepy enough even for me. Where this guy's gotta go.
I'm giving you an opportunity. No, we're all gonna die, he says,
but you get to choose. But then he does, he lets her
go, so she becomes like a surrogate daughter. Anyway. Yeah, so
what's next? You want to do? You want to do Flesh get Out
or Flesh Listen, let's do Flesh get Out. This one was I almost
had to not watch it. It was almost too broke for me. Get
Out is a good one to end with because we're gonna get out and it's
probably the best and the most well known of the films. But this movie,
if people haven't seen this movie, it's called Fresh and I got this
one on as a recommendation for my homebok Jet throw out there. I finally
watch it and and it's got Sebastian Stan and the and this this actress,
and I was I was not looking forward to watching the movie because I don't
like you know, I'm just like anybody else. I don't like this theme.
I didn't know how bad it was going to be, but I thought
it was interesting when the economy collapses, like Alex says, yeah, I'm
looking at my neighbor, chop him up, dice them, yeah, call
him up that change, I will eat your butt, and literally does that.
Well that's funny because was this kind of a satire too? Is it
was? It was? I got elements of American psycho in it, right,
So it's like American psycho satire meets Jeffrey Badonka Don and it's a dating
hookup, cautionary tale. It's a lot of things. It's also the one
thing that bugged me about it was that it's kind of a woe horror.
I'm really I'm really annoyed with woe horror. We talked about that sigh op
cinema, and here it's wokhor because you know, we have basically single white
males are all these sort of you know Jeffrey Badonka Donk predators who are just
really there to prey on women. And here praying on women takes on a
double sense, right. Women are not just meet for the sex market.
They're also literally meat in this weird underground cult. And we find out if
you notice symbolism, it's very clear there's a baffomet goat head with an all
seeing eye here that is this club that pays high price for these fresh meat
ladies that this dude sort of recruits from in person spitting game. Right,
So she goes out with this you know soy man that she meets on tender.
He's an annoying city you know, scarf wearing dude talking about, oh
can I get some bubbling water sparkling? Yeah, he wants to go can
you pay it? Right, she just can't stand this dude. And he's
like you should wear a dress and yeah, and so she's like I'm done,
and you know, her sassy black friend's like, girl, you need
to find you a better man in it. And then she meets this guy
in the grocery store. You know, and he's Ali Swab and he's spitting
some you know, awkward jokey game and it works, and so he's he's
he's like the king of the awkward. He's read her, but he's read
her as a girl that would like that kind of game, right because of
the way she's dressed, and she's kind of quirky and you know, hipsterish.
She's not that interested in looking like a woman. She's wearing a baggy,
you know, sweater, and he can you know, see that she's
sort of the artsy type. So he plays that kind of a game and
it works. And then of course we know that from that point on,
like things are getting worse and worse, she doesn't see. One thing I
liked about the first part of this is that a lot of times movies like
this, they they give too many red flags that the character willingly ignore.
But here we don't really get many red flags. The only red flag that
we really get is that her, the black, sassy black girlfriend says he
ain't got no social media girl. That's weird, but that's about it.
Well, the red flag is that it's going too well and that too much
chemistry because all the other men from you know, Tinder and stuff is all
like, you know, d ic K pix and please show bops, please
show bobs and Badgin. Yeah, and this guy he's like, good,
lookie, he's a cosmetic surgeon, but he's also sensitive, so he's got
money and yeah, he plays it well like he's like, yeah, I'm
a plastic surgeon. And she's like, oh, he's got money. But
then she's like, but he's going to be vain. He's like, but
yeah, it feels really good to help the kids that get burned when they
come in, which was the same thing Bateman says an American psychico, he
said, what do you want to do with your life? And don't say
helping children? Please? And that's what he does. But you know,
it is clever because the movie is kind of divided into thirds. We don't
get the credits for the movie until I think thirty three minutes into the movie.
Yeah, and and everything that should be a red flag we see is
acceptable for her because of what she's been put through in the modern you know,
dating world. Right. It's also interesting that the guy is that the
bad The bad guy is actually uh soy right, he's a I don't eat
meat. Oh, you can eat it, but I don't need animals.
Oh I don't need animals. That's right, Yeah, a good point.
Yeah, that's true. Yeah, he eats a human persudo. It's just
and she hasn't even love, so she's letting him, you know, kind
of sweep her off her feet. Because anybody who says that is just like
craving to fall in love, right, like anyone who says I don't need
a man is super lonely and I don't need no man. Yeah. Yeah,
Well this guy's that I'm saying, he's a depth enough at psychology to
figure out the kind of person that's perfect for Yeah. All of the things
that he does are very Bundy esque, right, because he he keeps all
of her you know, later we're going to see that he keeps all of
the trophies, right, and that he almost I mean, at times he
looks to me like Bundy was described. Right. He's wearing the turtleneck,
you know, and he's he's very sort of outgoing and and people saw him
as dashing or whatever. But he's also probing her for things. So,
for instance, he finds out she has no family like right away, so
that means no one's going to be looking for her, right and uh.
And also the guy in the Chinese place was I thought this was interesting?
Was this This is a woke take on how this guy was named Chad?
Right, First of all, he was a Chad, but he was no
Chad. And he's got a scarf and he he you know, he's like,
oh, you should wear a dress, you know, you should be
traditional. He talks to the Remember how he talks to the waitress, do
you yeah, you were just saying do you want yes? Yeah, and
then he appears later at the end of the film, right in the text.
Yeah, in the text, she's like, Chad maybe right. Also,
she goes on the date with the guy and parks in the sketchiest,
darkest territuntal alley ever and is scared of the guy walking behind her, but
it turns out to be you know, yeah, Jijen bing with a baby,
right, And she's like, oh, and then there's a Chekhov's gun,
right because she has her keys like a like a weapon. And then
that'll appear later in the film. That'll that'll pop back up, which is
weird. But but yeah, when she meets him, you know, it's
also the grapes. Right, it's the he feeds her great, you know,
it's the grape tasting in the grocery store. The grocery store. I
forget what the grocery store was called, but there was when they were talking,
there was a sign above them that said fresh meat right at weird weird
angles. This movie was great because they do this thing that Kuber did in
The Shining. A lot of people do this, but where we see like
straight angles and we're at right angles and everything's fine, and that means psychology
is great. Everything's going great, but then it gets skewed and at like
forty five degree angles when things aren't going right. He's also like it's just
like in the invitation, he's wearing like a brown corduroy jacket. He's kind
of soft, he's mute colored. You know, he's not outlandish. Right,
they go out on their day. They go to the funky bar in
public where you know the guys you know. And then that was weird because
she her friend is friends with the bartender and there's the scene where she's like,
can't you give me the guy's name? He's here all the time,
and he's like, I can't do that. I lose my job. And
it's like, what what are you talking about? Your bartend? What what
are you talking about? Like I thought that was very odd and he shows
up. I thought he was going to be in on it me too,
That's why I thought he wouldn't help her. Yeah, he's got kind of
well we saw that his wife was in on it, right, and then
the black duds like, I can't give that out, and I'm thinking,
Okay, he's on in on it too. Write something. It's going to
be a network of people that works to get women or something right. And
so no, go ahead, Jamie. I was just say, they did
one of those scenes that I hate in the movies where they're like kissing so
hard that they wrecked the hallway. I hate that they did the scene that
I hate the most, which is she's talking to her friend on the phone
and she's brushing her teeth forever. Oh yeah, and she keeps the tooth
brush in her mouth when she's walking around. It's gross. That's one thing
that I noticed in this film that I didn't like was they intentionally have the
sound to where you hear people chewing and macking and making uh lip noises and
that's on purpose. Yeah, I found I found it very sort of disconcerting.
He was gonna turn it off when they were eating the boob, so
you can hear him smacking and he's talking about how it's it's fatty, and
I'm like, all right, this is about the gross meat. But uh,
when the when the bartender was was eating in his car and was eating
that burger that made her want to eat a hamburgers, I'm like, man,
this movie gross, but I don't want to This movie is gross.
There are things about it that are interesting. It was clever in many ways.
I don't know if I would recommend it, but like you said,
it does kind of have that Shakespearean element with you know, feeding people other
people and as a kind of a own and haha, got you. You
know, Well, it was interesting. It wasn't just a cannibal cult.
There was also a sc actual element to it, and especially at the very
end, there was like a gimp eating the Yes. Yeah, And what
was interesting about that was that shouts out to Nico Pluto, by the way,
who drops drops two hundred box and says, put this with Jane Jamie,
Okay, I will thank you Nico Pluto. It was a big time,
big time super chat. Thank you appreciate that. Yeah, there's a
there's uh you know. He he goes on the day with her. Then
they sleep together, and it seems like it's going very well. It's obviously
going too well for us, you know, watching it, but it's going
very well. And they you know, they she wakes up next to him,
you know, he's still there in the morning. But then she snaps
a picture of him, which I thought was the camera's right there in his
face, dude. Yeah, was odd. It was sort of voyeuristic.
She sends it to her to her friend, Damn, don't he look good?
She's like, no, I mean I guess he look all right.
When she said that you're digmatized. Yes, well, but he again this
is he saw her as like perfect, right, So he found a girl
that he knew, you know, probably couldn't find a good guy. The
girl. The guys in her circle are probably the soy beta bug men in
the city. So he knew all the ways to like, you know,
really rope her in and he did it perfectly. Yeah, he he read
her wells what I'm trying to say? Yeah, and what's what's interesting is
that it's it turns out to be genuine, right, It's almost like he
does yeah, he's he's he's kind of hypnotized himself in a way that he
actually really likes it. I mean. So, so they decide to go
away, right, We're gonna go away for the weekend to Cottage Grove.
Oh, we want to go to Cottage Grove. Cottage Grove, And I'm
like, what the fuck is Cottage Grove? But then I was like,
is this bohemian grove? Are they going? I don't I don't think.
I don't know. I guess it was just a stand in for Oh,
it's a place outside of the city in nature, and we're gonna get And
it sounds innocuous, right, it doesn't sound menacing. Oh to the cottage,
right, cottage it's safe, right, Yeah. But he does the
thing that is the red flag for all these movies, which is we're going
And then he shows up and says, Oh, the traffic's too bad,
We're going to go to my place, like last minute change, right,
like mister Jingles walking out to the car hold on. Uh No. So
then they decide to go to his place, right, They get in the
car they're driving. Uh oh, there's no phone service there, dude.
There's phone service on top of mountains now. Like the of course this is
older, but like you know, trees are five gut things now, so
that's everywhere, especially like the guy's house. I mean, you know,
he's got starlink, but he just turns it off, I guess. But
they go to his house and he's got the brutalistic, dead tech, postmodern
concrete bunker house with the door in a corner. Yeah. So it's at
weird angles and you like you're walking into some sort of temple and weird artworks
to like one of the was ghosts playing chess and that's pretty trippy, satanic
looking or it reminded me of the art that Kavorkian does. If you've ever
seen Kivorkian, doctor Jack of Orkian, the you know doctor Dad, he
did a bunch of art and it's it's very similar to the art in this.
He's a lot like American Psycho. Also, Yeah, yeah, that's
what I just said. Yeah, no, we said that in the last
one. We were talking about now, but I said that this guy is
like American Psycho. At the beginning of this you weren't listening, because you
never Jamie doesn't listen to all the stuff that I say. And then like
five minutes later she'll say, oh and blah blah blah. I'm like,
you didn't hear me say that. Well, well, there's one thing,
so you guys, you all have talked about this when he when she walks
in and she's looking at the art and she sees the postmodern abstract expressionist Jackson
Pollock ask painting, there's there are the other pains, but there's the one.
Yeah, And when she when she gets up close to it, and
like she's she gets very close to the painting, and I was thinking,
is this flesh, kid? I think it's flesh exactly. Yeah, And
then of course you know it's it's a it's like it's a cool place.
I guess you know that he has he's obviously he's got money, and you
know it's a it's it's cool for him or whatever. It actually reminded me
of the there what's the Guy del Toro? Gerama del Toro came out with
the series last year. Yeah, the last movie, Yeah, the Panels
Cosmantos one was at the end and it looks like that place. It's yeah,
muted colors in you know, mid century or what I remember where the
a bunch of stars go and they are at this hip cool place. They
do space cocaine and then then there's like an egg of an alien. Yeah,
yeah, you do. We watched the We watched the whole series.
Yeah, they do. They do frosty, frosty space cocaine or whatever,
and uh, it turns kind of into a Mandy world. But in this
one, it's like she's walking through and it's it's very like Frank Lloyd Wright.
You know, it's built in the it's built into the landscape and there
are windows with greenery, but it's like outside of the house, so it's
in some sort of other structure. We watched that she's not remembering. Cabinet
of Curiosities Episode seven is the one where is it Peter Weller plays a rock
star. Yeah. Yeah, and uh, they they're like, oh,
uh, you know, come to this this meeting, remember, and they're
all just kind of sitting around in this room and if they're all invited there
to this event and they're all sitting around the cirt and and then it ends
up being he's like I got to show you this. And then what he
shows him is this alien egg that's morphing, right, and yeah, yeah,
globular lucifer adana alien in an egg. Anyway, go ahead. So
so it's like a Frank Lloyd right kind of house. And then they turn
on some tunes, you know, and they sit down there have a drink,
and then of course she starts getting you know, we see the camera
starts getting hazy and woozy. Bad, bad move right. He goes over
to his little bar card. I don't know about y'all, but like whenever
I say people they do this in movies. They always come into the office
or come into home and I'll make you a drink and it's like there's a
bar cart there. But nobody does that. I guess people do it in
real life like they're having a part. But yeah, fifties and if you
watch forties and fifties movies, every scene is that. Yeah, I don't
you know, but it's all ready to go. He's got ice in the
tumblr, you know, it's like what you know. So so anyway,
then she passes out and then she wakes up and she's in a concrete you
know, corner cement room on a mattress and he's sitting in the corner with
a turtleneck on, and he tells her it's so bad. It's this movie
is clever because he's so bad. He's so twisted. This guy is evil.
But they make it seem seductive in a way that other movies, other
movies, you know that the Zach effron Ted Bunny movie. It's like,
oh, we're supposed to think he's seductive, you know, but this movie,
it's like, no, this guy really does like you want you like
him, like, but he's but you don't. You can't like, you
know. So he's sitting there and he's like, no, I'm not don't
worry. I'm not gonna kill you. I'm just gonna eat you slowly and
sell your meat until eventually you die, which is way worse. Yeah,
right, and she's changed it will be slow and painful instead of freaking Yeah.
And just like Patrick Bateman, like he's playing the most ridiculous you know.
Richard Mars loves songs from the nineties, right, yes, And I'm
not gonna lie like I heard that song in the movie and I've listened to
the song a bunch of times. And then I'm like, you know,
this is pretty pretty good song now that it's been many years, you know,
but it fits. It's fun, it is, and they're doing hand
hand dancing, you know, and they have like a I thought that that's
the scene where they dance, which is later on in the film, and
I thought that scene was you know, someone could do is an analysis of
just movie choreographed scenes like where there it doesn't fit in like a nex machina.
Remember I'm gonna tear up the fucking dance floor. Yeah, that's a
great thing. But yeah, he's so he says, I'm gonna sell your
meat. Oh gosh, oh no, she's a commodity. And she's like
so she you know, she kind of goes nuts. And this is also
you know, we've seen so much in the news of this in the past
ten years, you know, with the guy in Cleveland, the aerial castro
guy with the people locked up in the basement, and the woman who locked
with her head in a box and all these terrible things, and now we
get this version of it. And I mean that was in split you know,
people locked up in the basement, They're gonna sell them. And when
I was watching I was thinking, like, this is probably going where I
think it's gonna go, but I wonder how they'll show this. And then
when they showed it, like you said, they actually showed the montage of
the people that he sells it to. So he wakes up in the morning
and he has a dumb waiter and he's got like a hue in leg,
which is oh my god, you know, and he's he starts dancing,
cutting up the human leg dancing is some music, throwing it in a Hello
Fresh boxes with the trophies of the particular girls and puts the seal on it,
and like you said, it had the Baffo mat with all Seeing and
an Ora Boros on it. And then we see a montage of the elite
guys and and that was interesting because like in the menu and liking get Out,
it was various prada of elites. Right, there's like a Texas old
man. There's a there's like an Asian dude. Yeah, yeah, there's
a there's a creepy guy on a breathing machine. There's a guy licking the
plate, you know. There's a gil Bates guy. There's a guy wearing
like a gimp outfit. Yeah, yeah, and and then he explains it
to us. I thought that was interesting because it doesn't really function his exposition
in the movie. It's it's it's unexpected. He's he explains his operation to
her. You know, he says, I provide a service for the one
percent of the one percent, and the people are so they're so sensory,
they want the thing that nobody else could have. Right, What did you
think about the way that he explains how he got into it, Like how
he says he was nineteen and he first got into this and he had this
secret that he couldn't tell anybody. I thought that was Jeffrey d isn't it.
Yeah. I think they were pulling from different serial killers and stories about
you know, you know paying. The lead Eli Roth, has a story
where he says that he got the idea for Hostile because he had heard that
when he was on some trip or somewhere in Thailand or something, that the
Thai elite actually do this. He thought, oh, that'd be a great
idea for a horror movie. And then if you if you notice in the
second I'm not a huge fan of Hostile, but in the second one,
it's actually like you get the same Baphomet imagery, and there's a market where
they sell the people, and some of the people in that market who have
like this little device that only the zillionaires get, right, they bid on
the people that they want, and some of them bid to eat them.
Right. So if you notice in the second one, it's the same type
of idea. So it's it's like Taken right when they it's also like in
Taken how they have their their their auctions. And the other thing I thought
was interesting was that the movie came out around the time of the revelations about
the things they said about Armie Hammer, right, And I'd heard this for
years about Armie Hammer and about armand Hammer, and there was that book.
There's a book the expos of Armond hammerh talks about that he was in SRA
and involved in those things, and then the revelations came out about him.
By the way, the documentary about that don't if anybody's watching, they don't
watch it. It's another it's you know, it's a limb hang because it
tries depended on the fact that he was into uh, you know, S
and m stuff, and but they don't go into the things. They don't
again, they don't actually go into what is the things that he was into
and army which one army, army hammer the actor, and you know he
had his secret Instagram, you know all this stuff. But he this guy
reminded me of him in the film because he kind of looks like him.
He has that air, but he doesn't have the same pedigree that he did.
So it's not it's obviously not about him, but it reminded me of
that kind of character where he says he experienced this thing when he was nineteen
and he had a secret he couldn't tell anybody, and there's a small community,
and then he became a certain and I guess he is a surgeon.
Still. During the day, I was wondering, how does he account for
like the drugs for instance, right, and then I just thought like,
well, because his clientele controls those things, and so that's yeah. I
thought immediately like, there's no way that he could be doing this without the
wife being in on it, and so we pretty clearly quickly see that she
is in on it. Well, you remember that scene where he comes in
he was like so tired and trying to tell her about his day. He
has the day job and the night being and yeah, did you remember that
part where she ate the meat ball and she saw the goat? Yeah,
she saw she was initiated, right, so she went through the initiation and
got Yeah. So this is again like a covenant meal where instead of like
the real presence of body and blood of Christ, it's like the satanic inversion
of that, where you're feeding like Dracula on other human beings in a predatory
way. And here she's getting this sort of demonic enlightenment initiation and it shows
her kind of have this like flash of like seeing all these things, and
yeah, she's initiated. So this is what it takes. Though, So
my reading of this was that, oh, she's going to have to play
his game, right, She's going to have to go through what he's gone
through to beat him. Yeah, she's got out that she has Stockholm syndrome,
but she's like playing five D chess trying to she is yeah, and
she throws up she she you know, we can see that it's a game.
She got the secret message in the Mademoiselle or whatever. Right, if
you're reading this, he likes you. So the question is like the person.
So we find out that the person who wrote the message. They're on
the wall, the trophy wall. We see that person, right, so
we know that that person is gone. And yeah, shouts out to Rachel
out there, homegirl Rachel based on homeschool. She said, do I have
channel memberships? I got him. I got him almost all the way set
up. I just haven't watched it yet, but I'll be launching him soon.
I just haven't. I just haven't done it yet. But yeah,
we'll have different membership levels, YouTube membership levels launched. But I wondered about
his wife because the girl goes looking, you know, for a friend,
and she shows First of all, she shows up at the door of the
house, and the way the woman, you know, she asked the questions,
you know, get out of here right, like as if the woman
looks like she's selling something. First of all, it's only Mormon white women
that show up to sell things. That happened to me on a stream one
time they showed up at the door. It's not women that looks like look
like this. And she, you know, she looking good. She take
care of herself, and she show up, you know, and she goes
into the house and immediately she's like, you know, I think you know,
your husband is might be involved with my friend. And the woman's like,
well, that's strange, interesting, do you want to come in?
It's very weird. Yeah. The next we see her in the house and
she's got a glass of water and the woman's not even in the room,
like you're gonna leave the stranger you just invited alone in your house in the
other room. So that was odd. So she's and plus she was European
and looked like she had a wig. I just thought this woman's in on
it, like this is clearly the house is too perfect, and the kids
are upstairs, this is too perfect. Well you're sitting there and she's holding
in the glass and you're like, don't drink it, don't drink don't drink
it. Yeah, don't drink that. Damn If it's bubbly and sparkling and
it's purple, don't drink right. So then oh, it was this movie
where I was like, that's a good way to get somebody to drink your
drugs, like ask him do you taste something special in there? And then
taking SIPs like uh, oh is it peach? Is it apricot? And
he's like no, try again. So she just laid down the whole cup
drum. Yeah. She wanted so badly for him to be mister right.
Yeah, he was mister wrong. So then Steve shows up at the house.
By the way, he's not Steve. His name is Brendan. Right,
I'm Brendan. Must know that the husband he shows up that I'm I'm
Brendan. Yes, I'm here. And then she and then she she she
knows the rules of the streets. Right, she called the phone. Phone
rings, right, and it says like, Hi, I'm Steve Cannibal.
Right, you shouldn't have done that, bitch. Turn around. Yeah right,
Marinka is behind you with the vase or whatever. Right, so she
knocks her out. Then we see the skewed angle because now it's the view
up from the trunk, right, because we know she's in the trunk.
So then my question was the next thing because that goes on to her there
the kidnapped girl playing the role of what does it taste like? And then
the guy says, you know, that's it, that's all you got.
That was very clever, right, give a little bit, but not too
much. Then he comes home from work or whatever, and he cooks her
the meal and I thought the meal was going to be the friend Yeah right,
right, but I get but it wasn't. Or maybe it was so
much like meat stored though he had way too much, so much. Yeah,
he's in the backyard chain saw in a rib cage. Yeah right,
what the fuck? Well, it's so cross, dude. He only eats
women. Yeah, her, he tells her. He's like, yeah,
only women because they are oh the best. Yeah he has Oh, he
has standards, right, they taste better, he said, right, yeah,
and they can't fight back, so that's probably why. Yeah. Right,
Well, it reminds me of the Kirk Barker book that you told me
to read, which I read, which is that you know, cannibalism would
be gradually normalized as part of the overall satanic agenda. I haven't saying that
for since twenty fifteen. Well, we found old podcasts that we did about
it. Yeah, so this is going to be normalized, especially when the
famine comes. Yeah, but the the bugs and the human meat cubes and
the slave slop. Yeah, she's turned into humans, I guess. But
yeah, so I don't know. So he what you were saying about the
vision that she has when she takes the first bite, I thought it was
kind of dream dream chrumy, because even though the movie is literally showing this,
I still thought it was kind of a metaphor for the the worst thing,
right, which was the the energy, you know, the stuff from
the brain. Yeah, and il juice from Cure for Wellness means talking about
chrome. Yeah. Yeah. Because she she has this vision of you know,
because she goes into like another dimension scene, but you know, it's
it's like she's leveled up or leveled down in the hell world like with them,
right, And and then I was like, you know, is this
is this guy gonna get the Is he gonna get the koru? Is he
gonna be you know, rickety all around? And then he kind of explains
that He's like, no, it depends on how it's prepared. Right,
He's a he's a great chef, like in the menu, so he must
boil out all the whatever. But then they have their love scene, right,
they're dancing, they're they're dancing and dancing Richard Marx and they're gonna sleep
together and she's not chained, right, she goes in the bathroom like he
wants a relationship with her. We also saw the wife by the way,
at the house who also is missing a leg. So then I wondered,
was this lady I was thinking, was this late? How did they meet
the previous version of the Yeah, exactly, That's what I took it to
me too. Yeah, I was thinking that. But then I was thinking,
like, or is she did she meet him too? I don't know.
I was thinking this scenario. She meets him through plastic surgery, right,
She's like, you're kind of sexy. By the way, I'm a
European elite. My last name is Dutroux, and you know you're into the
same stuff as me. They want to get married, you know. Yeah,
but uh so, anyway, then he seemed to be well connected because
when she shows up, she's got that bodyguard dude with her, says,
we need to take care of this. Yeah, yeah, bro. If
the bodyguard shows up and he's got a French prey down to his shoes,
like, that's just like this guy's bad, that's not that's not even that's
weird. They was that these little details of these people where they got something
weird, you know, extra long fingernails or they what happened to that guy?
Did they? I don't remember Yeah, he just pieced out. Yeah,
the bartender. Yeah, he totally pissed out. He was like,
I'm looking gone, I got my gt I I'm I'm leaving here. I
got you. Uh. We did a Cannibal show back when Jamie and I
first met. It was one of our earliest podcasts, and we covered a
bunch of different movies like Society and we also covered Parents. Have you seen
that? It's a great eighties v movie. But I know it's got Randy
Quay star Whackers in it. It's a Bob Ballaban movie. It's about so
it's it's good. It's kind of like this. It's like a campy Culty
thing where they're trying to get the kid to eat human meat. They're trying
to raise him to be the can kettle, all right, so they're sort
of cannibal coult that the kid doesn't want to be a part of it.
I think the worst, uh version of of cannibal thing stuff is I did
an announce this of Cormick McCarthy's The Road, yea, the book, and
that's uh, that is to me where this stuff ends up, you know,
with the world burning and there. I mean, it's it's it's so
dark and so disturbing. Uh. But but this one, you know,
plays on a kind of artistic and artistic satire. And so they're they're they're
about to make love, right, and she pulls a reverse John Wayne Bobbitt,
She pulls a John Wayne Hobbit on him. Uh, and and then
he turns into an immediate monster, so we see glimpses of his face.
I thought this was clever in the movie, that it's very subtle, but
people describe, you know, how like that. You know, Bundy's physiognomy
would change, right, and he would turn into this monster. And he
had he was you know, he was involved in he had did these kinds
of activities, and he does that when this happens to him, right,
he turns into kind of a ghoulish monster, and he says he's gonna cut
her heart out and all this stuff. And then she I thought it was
interesting how she went downstairs to rescue the other girls, right, and then
they try and leave, and they really I thought this was cool how they
fought back. You know, it was pretty clever because uh, they really,
I mean a third of the movie is fighting and then they escape.
One of the girls has no legs, she got no ass, you know.
They walk out in the backyard and then he's got a gun, right,
he's firing into the wilderness, and he says, you lied to me,
right, you lie? Oh yeah, he was totally but her and
betrayed, even though yeah, there was there was two people but hurt in
this. I guess, well, that was the least believable thing about the
whole movie. You would die from a wound like that, You can't just
from me. I don't understand how he did that. And then like a
few days later, she's up dancing with him. That seemed a little Yeah,
well because I guess because you know he's a mister you know, elite,
the plastic surgeon. He caught her eyed, he said, he caught
her eyes. The wound he puts her He slaps her butt into a bucket,
that's what he was like. No, yeah, and he's like,
you know, you need some more demo. All that'll hop So that helped
her, right, she at least he's on drugs, I guess, having
to go through this hell. Uh. And but then they're out in the
wilderness, right, and then the phone glow. She gets the phone like
as if she could use it, right, But she gets the phone,
like, just just get rid of the guy all together in one place,
right, don't try and escape into the woods like you got the meat tender
eyes are there? I mean, come on right, that's the classic movie.
Foil Is like, once you got him down, just finish him off.
Man. Well, another funny detail was how the friend was texting her,
and it was clearly him replying on the phone. Right, She's like,
where are you? I'm going after the he has a he's married,
and he's like, oh snaps, really, what are you going to do?
Question mark? So it was him, yeah, replying in the text
message. But anyway, then the the wife shows up and then that's when
it really turned because when she kills her with the shovel, right, she
says, you ought a worst kind of woman, right, The women should
stick together. So they killed a woman. The pat you know, mister
Apache or whatever, pieces out and that's it. I guess it's over.
So that so that was fresh, Okay. A couple of loose ends,
like the bodyguard and I thought that they were going to run into the bartender
in the driveway and he was going to help him escape. Well, I
guess the bodyguard probably has to go back and let the Pyramid people know what's
going on, right, because he also says at one point he's like,
yeah, you don't want to screw up the order with these people or something
like that, like they'll they'll they want to eat this guy. Oh oh,
I know what happened to him. She said, she said when she
found her, and she said, you need to put this body on ice.
Oh okay, So so he was the next meal, right, and
that's when you see at the end as the elite, Yeah feasting. Yeah,
they're feasting on him, I guess. So okay, So all right,
y'all, I'll like to share out there. We got one more movie
to do here, and this is probably the most well known and most successful
of these movies. This is get Out. This was Jordan Peele's first movie.
He also did Us, you guys covered Us, and I just did
the movie that he produced, which is the Candyman reboot, which I thought
was surprisingly good. And he also did Nope, the which was you know,
the fake alien movie. But this movie I thought it was interesting that
that you know that the movie proceeds are almost always you know, it's it's
always fake numbers. Right, Oh the movie costs three hundred million dollars.
Yeah, right, Well, this movie apparently, and it says this in
the on the page that it's it costs four and a half million dollars to
produce, and it made like two hundred and fifty five million. So I
thought that was interesting. I never see that with movies. But it was
very it was very successful. And this is Jordan Peele's get out. So
what did you? What did you? What's your What do you guys think?
Is right off the bat to me? It I mean I saw it
when it came out, and I thought I focused on the m kilter elements.
Rewatching it, it felt very again woke horror, which is kind of
annoying to me just as a film. Though I don't think it's a bad
film. Some of the elements are kind of I didn't really care for the
ending, but overall, I thought I had some interesting themes and symbolic significance.
I mean, he seems to really focus on these kind of apocalyptic horror
themes and what he does. You know, if you think about especially something
like us, and there's elements of us that I like, that's probably my
favorite of his so far. I didn't think Nope was. I mean,
Nope was okay. I thought it was a lot of people think it's a
really good film. I thought it was just kind of mediocre. But this
one actually kind of like it better than Nope. I think it's what'd you
say, well, I think it's I was thinking of us when they had
hands across America right that the Cloning movie. Yeah, I thought this was.
I thought it was clever. You know, it was pretty clever and
original because it went to the place where I suppose when any of anybody watching
this, you know, anybody like that's into this kind of thing, you
watch the trailer and you sort of know. You figure it's gonna go to
this place, but you don't really know if they're going to show it.
And they actually did with this movie, and I thought it was I thought
it was pretty clever how they managed to get to that place and show what
do you mean, well, to show the actual you know, we're gonna
do mk ultra. You know we're gonna, yeah, we're gonna we're gonna
take you know, I like it. No, this is this is the
actual, like the this is like the Nazi experiment of the putting the head
of a dog on another body. Right, that's one of the things they
really did. But this is now they're gonna do with humans. Yeah,
it was like West World season two. Right, We're gonna take the thing
and then somebody else is gonna inhabit your body to live forever. Right,
And they actually did. I couldn't believe that they that they that they showed
that. I didn't, you know, I thought, how are they gonna
Is it gonna veer off and go somewhere else? Is it gonna go too
wek or whatever. But the first scene in the movie is interesting because the
guy's walking down the street in the nice neighborhood, right, and that and
he doesn't appear till much later in the film, but he's walking down the
street. There's a he's taught, you know, he's got a date or
whatever. We don't know what's going on. And then the Porsche pulls up,
playing the playing the Run, Rabbit Run. You know this the old
thirties honky talk music in a Porsche is not good. That's that's like a
rich neighborhood. Yeah, it's like it's like hearing somebody pull up listening to
the lat Laws in the van, and then so so the van door,
you know, he backs up and he's like, oh fuck this, I'm
out of here. Right, he tries to turn around. The door opens
up and we see a guy in a medieval helmet, you know, put
him in a choke hold. And then that's it, right, don't want
to see a montage of this time. The modern art is photography. So
Jordan Pield does this a lot. He does this in in Candy Man too,
which is an artist? An artist is the one who's supposed to be
the conduit for our vision of the future, right and the sort of the
zeit geist, I guess. And then we see the pictures. We hear
childish gambino, we hear redbone playing, and then we see that he his
girlfriend is Brian Williams's daughter. I flew in do Iraq under fire, right,
what's the name of the grind? Yeah, it's his daughter, yeah,
and uh and she seems to be perfect right again, She's all like
when you go on the date and she's all smiles and she's saying everything right,
It's just yeah, I don't know, I don't know. She's like
the guy from fred Yeah, and so they're gonna go away for the weekend
to the Horror hotel and they do, and they get on the road.
She's driving, he's got a text his homeboy who works for the TSA.
Right, he's gonna you know, he's the comic relief in the film.
And they hit a deer and uh, you know, we see it's a
tough scene. I hate scenes like this in films. But the deer pops
up later in the film, right when he's in the Ludovico technique chair looking
at the eyes of the deer, So he's gonna be the roadkill, right
or something by it, and he sees that as at odd. Yeah,
that doesn't face her. And then they get there to the house and he
meets the parents. The dad's like, oh, yeah, we're over populated
with deer. We got to get rid of him, which is a subtle
hint that he thinks that black people, right, And then he says,
oh, yeah, we got a bunch of black mold in the basement.
So he's dropping all these racist hints, right the dad. Yeah, the
cop also, the cop, I need to see your ID, right,
why do you need to see his ID? He's just a passenger. And
then they get yeah, but of course the dad covers it with the bullshit
of you know, oh, my dad would have voted for Obama again three
times, like and it's like, okay, and he's got the you know,
he's got his his fifties mad men. Sey Glass. He's playing this
like he's playing the white liberal, right, the upper class white liberal.
Yeah. Did you recognize that actor? The dad? I don't remember what
he's Bradley Whitford. He plays the guy from the Adam Sandler movie Billy Madison.
He's the villain in Billy Madison. Okay, and they had to do
the game show, right, and the yeah. And the wife, of
course, is in another one of these movies, which is Being John.
She yeah, she was in Being John Malcolm I think, which is another
movie about inhabiting another person. Right. The elites want to live for you
know, or whoever wants to live so they so yeah. So then so
they're at the house, right, and you know, they sit down,
they have their little sit down. He's met the parents and then all of
a sudden, oh, there's there's a party this weekend. And a train
of black cars pulls up, which is very like they're going and they're all
in black like they're going to a funeral, and note that there's a lot
of red everybody. And then also they point out that they're very concerned that
he smokes, overly concerned, and he doesn't. He notices that it's odd,
but he doesn't understand why. He's like, yeah, okay, well,
I'm gonna quit. Eventually they're like, no, no, you need
to quit now. And then this becomes the basis for her hypnosis. Right.
She hypnotizes, Oh, I can hypnotize you and help you stop smoking,
and he's like, okay, whatever. It's like, first of all,
look, I'm gonna keep smoking, all right, And the fact that
you're telling me I need to quit means I'm gonna keep going. And also
you're I just met your mom and she's a hypnotist with a teacup. I'm
out of here. Yeah. Right, brother is weird and calls him a
beast and talks about his genetics. Remember the brother a UFC fight right away?
Yeah, So Caleb Landry Jones shows up and he's got a he's a
lacrosse bro by the way, He's he's fiddling with a lacrosse stick. I'm
like, bro, this guy la cry, I'm a lax bro. This
guy, this guy's not This guy's not a mini all right, but he's
a lax bro right, and he's very aggressive. Right, he's the he's
the bad boy. He shows up late or whatever. He's clearly the guy
that was in the Weird Night at Mask who kidnapped the other guy. Yeah.
So so he's the enforcer for the family. And then we also meet
the maid, right, who's probably the best part in the whole movie.
Would you like some tea? Right? And that's when we learned that it's
the hypnotic thing is going to go with this because when he takes the picture
and flashes the camera, it triggers her back to reality. I guess she's
been sucked back up out of the upside down and the real person inside of
hers, you know. Yeah. The scared of the scene in this that
really bothered me is I hate movies where there's somebody running at you really fast.
Right. The guy goes out in the dark and the gardener's outside running
right at him. Right. That that that bothers who we find out is
the granddad, right, yes, yes, the granddad from Seinfeld Yeah,
so she's a hypnotist and she's using forced association and trauma and yeah, put
him in the sunken place. Yeah, I thought that was weird. Well
that's to prepare him to write, to be docile and controlled for the brain
transplant. But I don't understand it, Like, if they took his brain
out, why is his consciousness still in there? Because you're not just your
brain, You're also there's more to you. And that's why at one point
they say, well there's still a sliver of that person still in there.
Were they taking out the whole brain? I thought they were doing a kind
of uh drino thing where they were taking out the one chunk or one part.
So his brain is still there functioning, but the part with his consciousness
is being replaced. I just thought it was like the tiny Yeah, but
it's the same it functions, is the same thing though, Yeah, you're
right, And what else happens? Yeah, So, like you were saying,
Jamie, you know, the forced he dissociates to the place where he's
in the sunken place, which is a kind of hellish abyss full of the
black goo world in a way. It's total darkness. It's it's Miltonian,
right, He's in a totally which is the realm of the dead, the
underworld, seeing seeing life through a window. You remember when Kanye was talking
about this all the time, he was bringing up the sunken but they got
me into sunken place, he said that. Yeah, yeah, he said
it a bunch of times. Yeah, that's crazy. Yeah, you can
tell you just watched the movie and right, yeah, but the friend,
the TSA friend was joking about sex colts and then come to find out that
the first guy that got kidnapped was actually sold to a old old boomer who
wanted a house slave sex person. Mm hmm yeah yeah, and we get
the we get the Tyresia's character. We get the blind the blind seer.
Right, so he's blind, but he wants to I want to. I
don't want any of that stuff. These people are you know, these people
are realist. I want your eye man, yeah, right, he wants
his artistic vision. But he meets all those you know, all the greatest
generation are people there. Let's see your golf fringe, right, and the
sexy woman, right, the woman he's got big muscles. This is in
right now, this is popular. I don't know why he didn't leave way
earlier, because everybody was acting sus from the very beginning. It's just well
because he was he liked the girl, and he thought, well, this
is just her weird family. I like her enough, I'm gonna put up
with this. I just got to get through this weekend and then go home.
And but then eventually I's like, all right, now I've had enough,
so it's time to get out of here. This is too much.
And then she's like, oh, sorry, I can't give you the keys.
But he's he feels responsible for his mom dying. That's his trauma remembory.
Yeah, and that's what the mom already knew that about him because the
girlfriend had gotten all this out of him. So he can't abandon his girlfriend
with her weirdo family. He wanted normality, He wanted a structure and family,
and aside from all the weirdness, it's like you don't want to believe.
And the problem with these movies is that the person always experiences this disconnect
because they don't want to be rude. Right the bad things are happening and
you can see him happening, but you don't want to be rude and walk
away, so you just want to stay and you know it's not going to
turn out that way, because it won't usually, but in this case it
does. And all the flags are there and his friend is telling him,
but even his friend telling him, you know, these people involved in a
cult, you know, that's what the white people do. Well, I
mean, we can see that he's right, but you're not going to believe
him in the same way that the cops didn't believe him when he went to
the cops, because he makes the mistake of talking in a kind of schizo
clownish way about when he starts dropping jokes right the friend, he's like,
I work for the TSA, so we know more than you guys do,
probably, you know. And at that point they're like mm hmm, yeah
yeah. And that was the same as in Fresh Right. Oh, so
your friend went on a date out of town with their significant other, you
know, and and now you're worried about them. Okay, sounds like,
yeah, the option I'm going to believe you in the horror world. Yeah,
but uh, I like the fact that when they do get him,
and they've got him, you know, in the chair, and they're making
him watch the creepy instructional video about welcome. Uh, it's just like in
the invitation, it's like, welcome. You might be wondering why you're sitting
in this chair. Well, my my ancient order has figured out how to
transfer conscious and he calls it an order, so we know it's actually a
kind of a bloodline occult order here, which again is reminiscent of what some
of the s s actually tried to do. Well, he called it the
Koala procedure, right, but he said there's an order and they do alchemy.
Yeah, all hail the coagula and this creepy like the g Maxwell character
procuring victims, right, Yeah, she's a sex honey. She's a honey
trap to trap the you know, the next meat. And then he discovers
that that's the horror scene is when he figured he finds all the old pictures
of all the other guys that she's seduced. I thought it was interesting.
So when he's on the TV explaining the whole thing, he's like phase one
hypnotism, Phase two, mental preparation, Phase three transmutation, and this like
overlays perfectly to culture creation and trauma based my control and MK ultra is the
the plan like first hypnotize, then prepare, and then transmit. Mm.
The deer, I thought the deer had a you know, it's like aside
from him being the prey, right and the over you know, the overpopulation,
I guess the deer is like I was thinking about Robert Graves and and
and it's also in Arthurian stuff, the white heart they see, but they
see the heart, the h Art heart, right, which functions as again
it's like a psychopomp. It's it's a harbinger of of like illumination and so
and that literally is what happens because the guy is going to see. He's
blind but now he can see. But it's through stealing the corpus of someone
else and burying the other psyche inside of oneself, which I guess is what
the psychiatrist is trying to say when she's like, you know, you know,
the hypnotic part is like, oh, you've got this trauma buried inside
of you. I'm going to help you realize it and be okay with it.
But in reality it's just a suffersion of even that, right, which
is we're just going to bury you inside this body. So so yeah,
so he's what happens. I mean, he's he's tied up, and then
he finds the fuzz inside the inside the old sp or whatever that he's tied
to, and then he puts that in his ears. So now he now
the the psychic tap tap tap, which, by the way, we drive
you insane anyway, I do not like the tea cup that drove me crazy?
Was so was the tea cup like Alice in Wonderland? Oh good point,
you know. So he's at the tea party and he goes through them
through the doorway into the dark. He's in he's in the other side of
the mirror. I mean he's looking at the television, so that's the other
side of the mirror. Also, he's looking at the image. He's constantly
all these movies, they are always constantly looking out the window, and the
window functions like he's looking in the mirror at himself. But there's another world
beyond it that he has to go out into. He tries, he goes
out. It's outside at night, and that's where the God runs at him,
you know. And we're wondering what we find out. These people are
all other victims of this. Again, we we have weird. What's the
girl listening to when she's on her computer, like looking for the next tender
day. She's listening to the like Belinda Carlisle or something ridiculous the time I've
never failed this way before, the sauce with It's so true and not o'd
all to you. Yeah, so she's like exactly what a white girl would
be listening, right, Yeah, she wants to find her swazy right,
but she's got well anyway, So so she's already looking for the next victim.
Right. She has changed her whole appearance and demeanor from like a cool
girl who doesn't mind dating black guys to super waspy anal like eating one piece
of cereal at a time with a glass of milk. Yeah right, Yeah,
Well, she's prepping for the next person that she's gonna and the brother
is the assistant, right, he's the assistant downstairs. He's gonna come prep
him and he gets knocked He gets knocked out, right, he's going to
come back, a true horror Trump. He's going to come back. But
I like that he Uh. The deer is also the deer with the you
know, the deer antlers are a Chekhov's gun. Right, we see the
sharp objects on the wall, so that's gonna come back. The deer head,
right, trophy, that's significant that he's going to lose his head.
Right. I forgot to mention the last movie, the the keys that the
girl has in the dark alleyway she stabs the guy in the neck and the
juggler with the keys, which was weird. But in this one, it's
like, how is he going to get out of this? What's he going
to use? Because you're always thinking of that in the movies. What's he
going to use to get out? And he runs the guy through like a
battering ram. But like, you know, so take my take this head
instead. I guess that would be so heavy though. I don't know if
you could run with they're not no, this is not this pelica handle.
Run with the deer head in your hand. Yeah, well, especially if
they're gonna cut your head off and take your brain. So yeah, like
if they're gonna do that to you, like I'm taking I'm picking up a
safe and knock it in on. The guy said, I don't care what
it is, right, I'm knocking this guy out, and and he gets
out and then he you know, he what does he do to the woman?
I forget what he does to the woman. He's got a lunch for
the tea cup, all the tea cups on the table. He's got to
knock the tea cup off the table. I forget how she dies. He
takes care of the The brother comes back to life. He bashes his head
in bash his head, and then he gets in the car and goes out,
and the he runs over the woman, right, the woman, the
weird woman. He puts her in the car, so he saves her.
Yeah, right, So I guess he's gonna try. He's gonna go home
and take some pictures of her and then that'll flash her back to who she
really is. And then uh, and then what is the woman? What
does the girl do? The girlfriend? She gets in the car. Oh,
she she got a gun. Mm hmm, she gets a gun.
Yeah. Yeah, And then he gets saved by the friend who shows up.
Right, this kind of diosx mac and I guess with the friend,
we wondered if there wasn't a cut scene because he just shows up in a
cop car, like, so there probably was a scene where he, you
know, grabbed a cop car and fled or something. Because the cops wouldn't
believe him. Yeah, because in real life, the cops would have been
with him. So there had to be a scene that was cut or something.
Yeah, I'm taking this mother. Yeah, and then they drive off
into the darkness and everything's all right. So the destination was death for the
other people. But thankfully, you know, he escaped or whatever, and
that's it. Let's get out. He got out. Yeah. Right.
But also it's like people are in my head, get out of my head,
right, yeah, yeah, and they can put on some young boy
in the car. They don't have to listen to you know, run Rabbit
Run, which is interesting because the rabbit right, so they're down, they're
going down the rabbit hole. Rabbit Run was also you guys were talking about
Witches of east Wick the other night and uh, which which John Updyke wrote
a book called Rabbit Rabbit Run, Uh, North Northeastern establishment mixed in with
you know, Witches of Wick, which is which is in the book is
literal witchcraft. They're they're actually performing the book. Yeah, it's a lot
that the book kind of satire. Is it darker? The book is darker,
Yeah, the book is way darker and it's pretty clever because they you
know, we we know that the Jack Nicholson character in the book that shows
up is clearly Satany. He shows up in a church and he subverts the
natural order of things, and they do have the religious character, but who
is awake to this? But then they the witches do spells and they kill
her and they're they're like overtly performing spells and doing kind of eyeswad shut they
at the house. And then the point is that he subverts the order,
they all kind of destroy themselves, and then he moves on to another place.
And so it's it's a lot different from the film. They made it
much more, you know, try to make it much more playful in the
film. But the book was not bad. I was surprised by a book.
Oh good, the book was. But there's kind of a you can't
help but see a sort of reference into that, a literary reference, you
know, illusion into that with the song, even though it's not overt that.
You know, there's a strato society and then he's escaping back into I
guess urban modern world and leaving the elites to themselves because the people the other
the other old people at the party are going to go on regardless, right,
So I guess they'll go on and live until their bodies die. They
find some other member of the coagula right to help him keep going. But
that's about it for those moves, any takeaways, any anything else you guys
want to. I apologize. I'm uh my third stream today, so yeah,
I'm kind of voice. All right, it's Friday night. We do
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I've been watching the follow the House of Usher. I made it through two
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po. It's supposed to be po, but it's again, it's elites having
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dream fear Street and Christopher Pike, those like young adult authors. What about
scary stories to tell in the dark and the girls wears the necklace and then
she takes off and her head falls off. That's the one. The Monkey's
Paul was it. But yeah, the spookiest thing that you read, I
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row. I wasn't allowed to have Halloween, but I when I grew up,
I did it a couple of times. One time when I was Tinkerbell,
one time I was Alice in Wonderland. I was a vampire when I
was three, but I looked more like a little GHOOLI with my with my
teeth, but my favorite was wolf Man or I had I was like a
skeleton guy, wore a black hoodie and I had a skeleton face. Yo.
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