WEBVTT 1 00:00:33.560 --> 00:00:39.759 I'd like to welcome Burton Moran to Bigfoot Crossroads. How are you doing, 2 00:00:39.840 --> 00:00:44.600 man, I'm doing great, happy to be here. You are known for 3 00:00:45.039 --> 00:00:48.560 local Legends. Yes, yes, that's my YouTube channel, Local Legends, 4 00:00:48.880 --> 00:00:51.399 Burton Moran. I's threw my name on the end of it. And what 5 00:00:51.479 --> 00:00:55.039 kind of stuff do you do there? Ghost hunting? I look into urban 6 00:00:55.119 --> 00:01:00.439 legends around the world, but mostly just the strange. Sometimes I look into 7 00:01:00.479 --> 00:01:03.239 missing people cases. How did you get interested in all that stuff? You 8 00:01:03.280 --> 00:01:10.879 know? Honestly, Um, it started very young. I grew up in 9 00:01:10.920 --> 00:01:15.519 a very haunted house, very haunted area, growing up on the reservation there, 10 00:01:15.799 --> 00:01:19.560 always heard a lot of stories, Um, a lot of lower different 11 00:01:19.560 --> 00:01:23.879 things like that, And it's just pretty much what I've been interested in. 12 00:01:23.239 --> 00:01:30.359 Is it your wife that's partnered up with you? Yes, and she she's 13 00:01:30.400 --> 00:01:34.760 into all that stuff too, she is. I know she might kick my 14 00:01:34.799 --> 00:01:38.200 ass for this, but I know she doesn't really enjoy She does like ghost 15 00:01:38.239 --> 00:01:42.480 unting, but she doesn't like some of the things that we encounter. Yeah, 16 00:01:42.680 --> 00:01:46.799 I know sometimes she's a little hesitant to want to go out into these 17 00:01:46.840 --> 00:01:53.400 places that I am adamant about going. Yeah, my wife won't have anything 18 00:01:53.400 --> 00:01:57.799 to do with any of it. She's not she finds. You know, 19 00:01:57.680 --> 00:02:01.319 she likes scary movies, but that's about as far as she takes it. 20 00:02:01.359 --> 00:02:07.719 She doesn't want, you know, to experience anything in real life. You 21 00:02:07.719 --> 00:02:12.199 know, we actually live in the same house I grew up in, which 22 00:02:13.879 --> 00:02:19.599 growing up it had activity even before I was born. There is activity happening 23 00:02:19.599 --> 00:02:23.479 at this house, you know, according to family members and everything. And 24 00:02:23.759 --> 00:02:28.000 she's experienced a few things, but you know, it freaks her out pretty 25 00:02:28.039 --> 00:02:31.080 good. She doesn't like to be in certain rooms by herself at night, 26 00:02:31.120 --> 00:02:37.319 and stuff just kind of has that whole vibe to it. I do understand. 27 00:02:37.479 --> 00:02:39.800 I know that there's a few places that I've been wanting to go and 28 00:02:39.879 --> 00:02:45.000 investigate that I am not allowed to because if I go, I'm not allowed 29 00:02:45.080 --> 00:02:50.560 homes. Have you ever brought anything home with you? Yes, Actually, 30 00:02:52.759 --> 00:02:54.319 it's kind of my own damn fault. What I was I don't know what 31 00:02:54.400 --> 00:03:01.080 I was thinking. But there was an investigation I did a couple of years 32 00:03:01.080 --> 00:03:07.439 back at a site called gitche Manito, and in the seventies, I believe 33 00:03:07.479 --> 00:03:15.120 it's four boys were teenager boys were brutally murdered out there near this cabin and 34 00:03:15.240 --> 00:03:19.120 I went out there in the cabin and all stuff with all decaying and falling 35 00:03:19.159 --> 00:03:20.840 apart, and I was like, you know what, that'd be a really 36 00:03:20.840 --> 00:03:25.039 cool piece to put on my ship. And I brought it home. I 37 00:03:25.080 --> 00:03:30.960 was editing somebody and something yanked my chair back on me, and I assume 38 00:03:31.000 --> 00:03:35.599 whatever it was, it didn't happen until I brought that thing home with me. 39 00:03:35.680 --> 00:03:39.039 So that's a weird one, yeah, for sure. So you originally 40 00:03:39.240 --> 00:03:45.280 reached out to me because I had made a post on Facebook I think about 41 00:03:45.520 --> 00:03:51.039 thunderbirds. Ye, and you had a really interesting story if you don't mind 42 00:03:51.120 --> 00:03:55.400 retelling it absolutely. I believe the years. It was either twenty twelve or 43 00:03:55.439 --> 00:04:00.840 twenty thirteen, and me and Cassie had together for a few years, and 44 00:04:01.159 --> 00:04:05.759 my aunt lived in Gregory, South Dakota, which was a couple hours from 45 00:04:05.800 --> 00:04:10.800 here, or like an hour and a half, but my parents were visiting 46 00:04:11.000 --> 00:04:15.240 and basically a little get together, asked if we would come and you know, 47 00:04:15.360 --> 00:04:16.600 hang out, and we decided again know the cool I haven't seen my 48 00:04:16.639 --> 00:04:20.439 parents in a while, so we jump in the car. We take the 49 00:04:20.480 --> 00:04:24.439 back roads out of our town down to Gregory, South Dakota, and we 50 00:04:24.480 --> 00:04:30.199 meet up with my parents. Were great time, and we decided, you 51 00:04:30.199 --> 00:04:32.040 know, it's starting to get a little late. It wasn't too late still, 52 00:04:32.120 --> 00:04:35.079 sun was out, but we had an hour and a half drive, 53 00:04:35.199 --> 00:04:43.720 so we leave Gregory and I can't remember what sparked the conversation, but I 54 00:04:43.879 --> 00:04:50.759 told Cassie a story my parents told me whenever I was younger about basically, 55 00:04:50.839 --> 00:04:57.680 this kid that was misbehaving, a reservation kid, you American mom was taking, 56 00:04:59.160 --> 00:05:06.079 just would not behave. So she threatened him with this giant owl and 57 00:05:06.120 --> 00:05:10.639 she said, you know, if you don't behave, i'll let you. 58 00:05:10.759 --> 00:05:15.199 I'll put you outside for the giant owl to get him. So the little 59 00:05:15.279 --> 00:05:17.920 kid, you know, calls her bluff, keeps being an asshole, and 60 00:05:18.079 --> 00:05:21.120 we're talking like a toddler, maybe five years old, something like that, 61 00:05:21.199 --> 00:05:27.639 and the kid won't behave. So she takes the kid outside, thinking that 62 00:05:27.680 --> 00:05:33.439 it'd be a good idea, and supposedly she does just that, closes the 63 00:05:33.439 --> 00:05:38.639 door, opens the door, and the child is gone, never to be 64 00:05:38.639 --> 00:05:44.720 seen again, just gone instantly, just as soon as the door closed. 65 00:05:44.759 --> 00:05:46.759 Soon as the door opened, the kid was gone, as if something was 66 00:05:46.759 --> 00:05:51.079 to pick it up and fly away. With the kid, the mom obviously 67 00:05:51.079 --> 00:05:56.199 devastated, and that's basically how the story ends. But part of it was 68 00:05:56.800 --> 00:06:00.000 that it was the giant owl that took him in this story, and part 69 00:06:00.000 --> 00:06:04.399 of it was that if you never really heard of this giant owl before, 70 00:06:05.519 --> 00:06:10.199 it will show itself to you to prove to you that it is real. 71 00:06:12.160 --> 00:06:15.680 And you know, my parents told me this when I was a teenager in 72 00:06:15.759 --> 00:06:18.000 high school, just you know, this story from back in the day, 73 00:06:18.040 --> 00:06:20.720 and they told us about it, and I told me and my brothers about 74 00:06:20.759 --> 00:06:24.480 it, and I'm just like, okay, But you know a lot of 75 00:06:24.519 --> 00:06:27.279 people think, well, your parents told you that story, so you'd behave 76 00:06:27.319 --> 00:06:30.639 as a child. But I was already a teenager at that point, so 77 00:06:30.639 --> 00:06:35.279 what was the point of that. So I tell Cassie that story and she 78 00:06:35.399 --> 00:06:39.000 does as she used to do for most of my stories. I told her 79 00:06:39.000 --> 00:06:41.800 about growing up in a haunted house. She rolled her eyes and say, 80 00:06:41.879 --> 00:06:46.680 sure, that's like the dumbest thing I've ever heard. So I'm like, 81 00:06:46.720 --> 00:06:48.000 hey, you know, it's not my story. I'm just telling you the 82 00:06:48.040 --> 00:06:55.639 story. And we get up probably another a couple of miles down the road 83 00:06:56.759 --> 00:07:02.399 to this four way stop. It's a little roads and if you look on 84 00:07:02.519 --> 00:07:05.759 the right side of the road, the same direction we had to turn was 85 00:07:05.800 --> 00:07:15.399 this freaking owl. And this owl was huge, like it was standing facing 86 00:07:15.480 --> 00:07:18.160 north, but his head was already turned towards us. We were coming from 87 00:07:18.160 --> 00:07:26.120 the south, so it was basically waiting for us. And we pull up 88 00:07:26.560 --> 00:07:29.000 and it's already locked his eyes on us, and we're like, are you 89 00:07:29.120 --> 00:07:33.959 seeing this fucking owl? Sorry my language, and her, you know, 90 00:07:34.040 --> 00:07:38.959 she like, what the hell? And I'm like, oh my god. 91 00:07:39.120 --> 00:07:42.639 And I slowly start to turn the corner and this owl is like right next 92 00:07:42.680 --> 00:07:45.720 to the road, off on the ditch, but you know, not in 93 00:07:45.759 --> 00:07:50.920 the ditch, not on the concrete, just right off. We drive by 94 00:07:50.959 --> 00:07:55.079 a real slow on this thing, just head on a swivel, body doesn't 95 00:07:55.079 --> 00:08:00.879 move, just watching us. And I will describe this thing at roughly six 96 00:08:00.920 --> 00:08:03.879 feet. Wow, it's what I'd imagine how tall this thing was. We 97 00:08:03.879 --> 00:08:09.439 were driving a two thousand and one Oldsmobile Alero at the time. I drive 98 00:08:09.480 --> 00:08:13.480 by. I'm driving by extremely slow because I'm just fixated on this thing, 99 00:08:13.480 --> 00:08:20.120 and so is she. And she's like, you know, she's looking at 100 00:08:20.160 --> 00:08:22.759 it. I'm looking at it. It's looking at us. It's kind of 101 00:08:24.199 --> 00:08:28.240 a lighter color. It's almost gray. I wouldn't say white, I wouldn't 102 00:08:28.279 --> 00:08:31.840 say brown, but it did have aspects of brown, and it's you know, 103 00:08:31.879 --> 00:08:37.480 I want to say coat, but it's feathers. So I'm like, 104 00:08:37.879 --> 00:08:41.039 I'm gonna hunk the horn just to see what happens. They can of the 105 00:08:41.039 --> 00:08:45.320 second's gonna fly off. And I hunked the horn, and as soon as 106 00:08:45.360 --> 00:08:50.919 I hunted the horn, the wingspan just it takes its wings out and almost 107 00:08:50.960 --> 00:08:54.759 like a sound. You're like, whoosh, yeah, and it never takes 108 00:08:54.759 --> 00:08:56.360 off. It just looks at us, but it holds its hands out looking 109 00:08:56.399 --> 00:09:01.679 at us as like I'm here. You called me, and it just stared 110 00:09:01.679 --> 00:09:05.200 at the entire time. And after You're like whenever its wings opened up, 111 00:09:05.240 --> 00:09:09.080 Cassie screamed. She just about jumped onto my lap because she it was her 112 00:09:09.120 --> 00:09:13.519 window closest to it, and it was I don't know, it never took 113 00:09:13.559 --> 00:09:16.600 off, like I know, we just kept on driving down the road, 114 00:09:16.320 --> 00:09:22.200 and I remember the conversation going something like, what the what the fuck? 115 00:09:22.279 --> 00:09:24.799 What the what was that? What was that? How was it? How 116 00:09:24.879 --> 00:09:26.600 was it that big? What was that? And I'm just sitting there like 117 00:09:26.960 --> 00:09:31.559 I don't know. And then she comes in and she says, what are 118 00:09:31.559 --> 00:09:37.200 the odds of you telling me that story? And then that damn thing just 119 00:09:37.279 --> 00:09:39.600 being there, And I'm like, I don't know. So at the time, 120 00:09:39.679 --> 00:09:43.559 I didn't know much about owls, so we did some research. We 121 00:09:43.559 --> 00:09:50.159 got home, and owls don't get that big. For some reason, this 122 00:09:50.200 --> 00:09:52.039 owl was huge, and you know, I thought, Okay, that's just 123 00:09:52.559 --> 00:09:56.200 a giant owl. Owls must get that big because I just saw an awl 124 00:09:56.279 --> 00:10:01.240 that big, And no, they don't get that big. I mean, 125 00:10:01.320 --> 00:10:07.320 how large was the wingspan? Would you guess? Honestly, what I describe 126 00:10:07.360 --> 00:10:09.840 it as is as long as an ultimobile alero, which is roughly a little 127 00:10:09.879 --> 00:10:15.440 over fourteen feet. So this thing is like pretty much wings out the size 128 00:10:15.440 --> 00:10:22.399 of your car. Yeah. Wow, that's crazy. Yeah. And Cassie 129 00:10:22.480 --> 00:10:26.519 she remembers this, all of it the exact same way we talk about it, 130 00:10:26.759 --> 00:10:30.879 and she's like, you know, if I didn't see it, I 131 00:10:30.879 --> 00:10:35.720 wouldn't believe it because it doesn't make any sense. And we get that a 132 00:10:35.720 --> 00:10:37.480 lot where she'll tell the story to her friends, and her friends kind of 133 00:10:37.519 --> 00:10:43.279 like okay, sure, anybody she meets and we're like, start talking about 134 00:10:43.320 --> 00:10:46.320 strange stuff and right, They're like, right, sure, you sure you 135 00:10:46.360 --> 00:10:50.440 saw gial whatever. So she doesn't really like to tell too many people about 136 00:10:50.480 --> 00:10:58.159 it, just because she and I also kind of get those looks of people 137 00:10:58.200 --> 00:11:01.320 telling us, you know, you didn't see that, you're full of crab. 138 00:11:01.639 --> 00:11:05.120 Did you talk to your parents about it? Did you tell them? 139 00:11:05.200 --> 00:11:09.200 I did? And they were extremely nonchalant. They were just like, oh 140 00:11:09.320 --> 00:11:13.919 you saw it. Wow. I'm like, yeah, they're both not alive 141 00:11:13.960 --> 00:11:16.679 anymore. They both passed through. I've lost my mom a couple of years 142 00:11:16.720 --> 00:11:22.440 ago. But yeah, it's I don't know what else I could say about 143 00:11:22.480 --> 00:11:26.320 what they knew about this freaking owl, but they just were at the time 144 00:11:26.360 --> 00:11:28.360 not really impressed at all, or like, yeah, we told you about 145 00:11:28.399 --> 00:11:33.080 this thing. I mean, have you heard other giant owl stories from up 146 00:11:33.120 --> 00:11:39.600 there? I've heard some people at like in my past talk about seeing giant 147 00:11:39.639 --> 00:11:43.759 birds and stuff like that, and nothing is detailed, is what I remember. 148 00:11:45.039 --> 00:11:48.120 Yeah, but in general, just you know, I've heard that story, 149 00:11:48.720 --> 00:11:52.039 not just from my parents, but I've heard it from other people about 150 00:11:52.759 --> 00:11:54.559 you know, a giant owl or a giant bird or some sort of talk 151 00:11:54.600 --> 00:11:58.840 about thunderbirds and stuff like that, and I don't I'm sure you know it. 152 00:12:00.000 --> 00:12:05.240 Alot Tower is in Wyoming. Yeah, and one of the legends is 153 00:12:05.279 --> 00:12:13.639 that these Native Americans were out hunting and from minder saying, a giant bear 154 00:12:13.759 --> 00:12:16.279 came and was attacking them, and they prayed to their gods for rescue, 155 00:12:16.360 --> 00:12:22.559 and the ground started to shake and grow beneath their feet, high enough for 156 00:12:22.720 --> 00:12:26.200 the giant bear not to be able to ever get near them. And that's 157 00:12:26.240 --> 00:12:30.159 what Devil Tower is. But in the story, at the same time, 158 00:12:30.679 --> 00:12:35.519 they were rescued by a giant bird of some sort, some sort of thunderbird 159 00:12:35.519 --> 00:12:39.320 came and picked them up and took them to safety. That's one of the 160 00:12:39.399 --> 00:12:46.919 legends of Devil's Tower. And I remember growing up, you'd see like flyers 161 00:12:46.919 --> 00:12:50.960 for Devil Tower and I had like this giant bear with a long tail, 162 00:12:50.679 --> 00:12:52.759 you know, scratching on the sides of it. And they say, oh, 163 00:12:52.840 --> 00:12:56.080 that's why they had scratch marks on the side of it. It's because 164 00:12:56.080 --> 00:12:58.559 this giant bear was trying to get at the Native Americans. Yeah, I've 165 00:12:58.600 --> 00:13:03.919 seen some mold illustrations like that showing, you know, the giant bear scratching 166 00:13:03.919 --> 00:13:07.519 and everything. But I had never heard the thunderbird aspect of it. Yeah, 167 00:13:07.559 --> 00:13:11.320 because you know, it was later in life when I heard that part 168 00:13:11.360 --> 00:13:16.039 of it and I looked it up. But yeah, they talked about a 169 00:13:16.080 --> 00:13:18.679 giant bird of some sort of not didn't say owl or eagle or anything like 170 00:13:18.720 --> 00:13:22.200 that, just a giant bird. Thunderbird come and rescued them, took them 171 00:13:22.240 --> 00:13:28.360 off because as they couldn't climbed down. Whenever you were doing your owl research, 172 00:13:28.120 --> 00:13:33.200 did you run across any owls that looked like that? One? The 173 00:13:33.240 --> 00:13:39.240 closest thing that I ran across, for the size of it, but not 174 00:13:39.360 --> 00:13:43.279 quite the same head of it, would be the harpy eagle. Now, 175 00:13:43.320 --> 00:13:48.480 the harpye eagle they get pretty big. Yeah, and it's very similar looking. 176 00:13:48.879 --> 00:13:54.960 But the harpee eagle has these ears that kind of protrude out on the 177 00:13:54.000 --> 00:13:58.519 sides, and this owl did not have that. It just regular owl head. 178 00:14:00.799 --> 00:14:07.320 But the harpy eagle does have different characteristics. Yeah, and they're also 179 00:14:07.519 --> 00:14:11.960 terrifying looking. Just for the record, Yes, absolutely, if you have 180 00:14:13.039 --> 00:14:16.759 not seen one, look one up. They Yeah. I remember seeing one 181 00:14:16.799 --> 00:14:18.919 and I thought, well, the crap is this? Did I find something? 182 00:14:18.919 --> 00:14:22.799 And I'm looking for bigger ones and bigger ones, and I never did 183 00:14:22.879 --> 00:14:26.600 find one quite as big as what we saw, But as far as in 184 00:14:26.720 --> 00:14:28.679 my research, the only other bird that come close is the harpy eagle. 185 00:14:30.159 --> 00:14:33.120 One of the reasons that I was so interested in your story is there is 186 00:14:33.159 --> 00:14:39.320 an incident that happened to me down in Texas and we were actually out looking 187 00:14:39.320 --> 00:14:43.799 for Bigfoot at the time, but we had gone to an area. You 188 00:14:43.799 --> 00:14:46.600 know, it was late at night. We're out in the middle of the 189 00:14:46.639 --> 00:14:50.879 woods. We're on this old country road that's cutting through the woods, and 190 00:14:52.679 --> 00:14:54.279 we're kind of spread out. There's quite a few of us out there, 191 00:14:54.960 --> 00:15:00.000 and there's some crazy stuff going on. You know, but when isn't there 192 00:15:00.039 --> 00:15:01.159 crazy stuff going on in the woods in the middle of the night, out 193 00:15:01.159 --> 00:15:07.000 in the middle of nowhere, right, And I was kind of just panning 194 00:15:07.000 --> 00:15:09.639 around. I had a spotlight and I'm just panning around the tree line, 195 00:15:09.679 --> 00:15:13.559 and there was one of the guys that I was with was kind of over 196 00:15:13.600 --> 00:15:18.159 in this one area by the woods, and so I was kind of panting 197 00:15:18.240 --> 00:15:22.200 around a cast light where he was at to see what he was doing. 198 00:15:22.840 --> 00:15:28.000 And as I'm panting, I caught eyeshine in the beam of the spotlight, 199 00:15:28.039 --> 00:15:31.639 so I stopped and put it back, you know, looking for the eyeshine, 200 00:15:31.919 --> 00:15:39.279 and I focused on this thing. It was. It was this tree. 201 00:15:39.639 --> 00:15:45.879 It was a fork tree, but the fork was like pretty much three 202 00:15:45.919 --> 00:15:48.960 feet off the ground before it forked, so it was real close to the 203 00:15:48.000 --> 00:15:54.120 ground. It was almost like two trees growing together. Yeah, And this 204 00:15:54.200 --> 00:15:58.399 thing was in the fork of that tree, and it was probably about four 205 00:15:58.440 --> 00:16:03.559 feet tall, and for the life of me, I could not figure out 206 00:16:03.559 --> 00:16:07.600 what it was. I mean, I'm like staring at it and like, 207 00:16:07.320 --> 00:16:11.480 honestly to me at the time, and now keep in mind, I'm hitting 208 00:16:11.559 --> 00:16:15.480 it with a spotlight, so it's all, you know, the colors all 209 00:16:15.519 --> 00:16:18.279 bleached out and everything. Yeah, I'm you know, I don't know how 210 00:16:18.320 --> 00:16:22.879 far, maybe twenty yards away from it. But it looked like it was 211 00:16:25.120 --> 00:16:30.200 man, I hesitate that, you didn't say. It looked like tree bark, 212 00:16:30.120 --> 00:16:33.639 like the pattern and color of tree bark. And the head was kind 213 00:16:33.679 --> 00:16:41.360 of blocky, and there wasn't like any visible neck or anything. And then 214 00:16:41.399 --> 00:16:45.320 I could see like kind of a barrel chest. I couldn't see any arms 215 00:16:45.440 --> 00:16:48.879 or shoulders or anything like that because of the tree, the fork of the 216 00:16:48.919 --> 00:16:53.720 tree. Yeah, but that's what I could see, and these bright glowing 217 00:16:53.799 --> 00:16:57.799 eyes in the spotlight, and I'm like looking at it, I'm like, 218 00:16:57.879 --> 00:17:02.600 what the hell is that, you know, And I shined my spotlight back 219 00:17:02.639 --> 00:17:06.720 over to that guy to see where he was at in proximity to it. 220 00:17:07.519 --> 00:17:10.319 And by the time I did that and put the spotlight back on the fore 221 00:17:10.359 --> 00:17:14.119 of the tree, the thing was just gone completely. Oh my god. 222 00:17:14.599 --> 00:17:18.079 So that freaked me out for a long time, you know, yeah, 223 00:17:19.519 --> 00:17:23.279 because you know what has eyes and has made out of tree bark, and 224 00:17:23.839 --> 00:17:29.759 it was just nuts. So then years later, I'm talking to another big 225 00:17:29.839 --> 00:17:36.200 footer from Texas and I'm telling him about what I saw, and he was 226 00:17:36.240 --> 00:17:37.839 like, well, that might have been a giant owl. Oh my god. 227 00:17:38.559 --> 00:17:41.960 I was like, really, I had never even thought of that, 228 00:17:41.039 --> 00:17:45.559 you know, with like the coloring and how it kind of looked like tree 229 00:17:45.559 --> 00:17:48.640 bark and everything from that distance in the spotlight, like I mean, maybe, 230 00:17:48.559 --> 00:17:55.319 yeah, maybe it was the right shape. And he told me that 231 00:17:55.400 --> 00:18:00.759 he had seen a giant owl down in Texas kind of in the same general 232 00:18:00.799 --> 00:18:07.960 area, like we'll say northeastern Texas, okay, and he said it was 233 00:18:07.000 --> 00:18:10.480 in the daytime, I think, and he just walked up on it in 234 00:18:10.519 --> 00:18:12.759 the woods. It was like on the ground, just standing there, and 235 00:18:12.839 --> 00:18:17.480 he said it was like three to four feet tall, and it was just 236 00:18:17.640 --> 00:18:22.079 massive and wasn't any like breed of owl that he could recognize or ever find 237 00:18:22.279 --> 00:18:26.920 or anything like that. I can't remember the exact story if it flew off 238 00:18:27.000 --> 00:18:32.119 or what happened, but you know, right, this guy had no reason 239 00:18:32.160 --> 00:18:33.279 to lie to me, and I just found that really interesting. So then 240 00:18:33.319 --> 00:18:36.880 whatever you said that you saw a giant owl, I was like, holy 241 00:18:36.880 --> 00:18:41.160 shit, right, And you hear a few stories here and there, so 242 00:18:41.359 --> 00:18:44.440 I don't know what to make of it, man, Yeah, Like, 243 00:18:44.559 --> 00:18:47.359 what are your thoughts on it? Do you think these are thunderbirds that people 244 00:18:47.359 --> 00:18:51.039 are talking about or is it something completely different. That's the thing, you 245 00:18:51.079 --> 00:18:57.720 know, thunderbird sightings go back way back in history. Native Americans, lower 246 00:18:59.319 --> 00:19:03.920 people basically all over the world have seen giant birds that are associate associated with 247 00:19:04.599 --> 00:19:07.480 thunderbirds. And like he said, you know, when you come across other 248 00:19:07.480 --> 00:19:14.200 stories that are very similar, it really piques your interest because and I don't 249 00:19:14.200 --> 00:19:18.799 mean to say anything negative about anybody's experiences, but it makes you feel like, 250 00:19:18.920 --> 00:19:23.440 Okay, I'm not crazy yeah, because I've seen this thing and I 251 00:19:23.599 --> 00:19:26.799 get told enough that no, that's not real. It makes you wonders, 252 00:19:26.839 --> 00:19:30.880 like did I see what I saw? And you know, if Cassie wasn't 253 00:19:30.920 --> 00:19:33.119 with me that day, if we both hadn't seen it at this point, 254 00:19:33.119 --> 00:19:37.200 I probably would have convinced myself maybe it wouldn't real. But right right. 255 00:19:38.079 --> 00:19:42.079 I remember recently, in the last couple of months online, somebody had started 256 00:19:42.079 --> 00:19:47.000 talking about a giant owl that they had seen that landed on the roof or 257 00:19:47.039 --> 00:19:51.200 the hood of their vehicle like a truck, and they said that the eyes 258 00:19:51.240 --> 00:19:53.400 of this thing just stared at them and it felt like it was like digging 259 00:19:53.400 --> 00:19:59.839 into their soul almost how and it was there for a while and they were 260 00:20:00.039 --> 00:20:03.880 terrified and it eventually flew off. But they said described it very similar to 261 00:20:03.039 --> 00:20:07.799 my experience, was that this owl was huge and it just looked at them. 262 00:20:07.839 --> 00:20:10.119 And that's what the owl did. It just teared at me. Now, 263 00:20:10.640 --> 00:20:15.559 I will say a distinct difference between their owl and my owl story was 264 00:20:15.720 --> 00:20:22.599 he described the owl eyes as almost cat like, like a slit, and 265 00:20:22.680 --> 00:20:26.039 I would not describe the owl's eyes that I saw that way. But I 266 00:20:26.119 --> 00:20:33.000 remember just immediately the size and the actions of the owl. I do believe 267 00:20:33.920 --> 00:20:42.480 that there are giant, possibly giant birds out there that have not been categorized. 268 00:20:42.839 --> 00:20:45.759 I mean, there's just so many stories about them exactly, you know, 269 00:20:45.799 --> 00:20:49.319 and like you were saying, the stories date back for as long as 270 00:20:49.359 --> 00:20:55.960 people have been talking to one another, and they still continue to this day. 271 00:20:56.680 --> 00:20:57.799 But you know, you hear some of these stories. I mean, 272 00:20:57.839 --> 00:21:03.279 like, like take yours for instance, you know, six feet tall with 273 00:21:03.319 --> 00:21:07.200 a fourteen foot wingspan, Like yeah, I mean you would think, like, 274 00:21:07.680 --> 00:21:12.279 okay, well, how do people not just see it flying around constantly? 275 00:21:12.759 --> 00:21:18.759 Right? Every once in a while, I notice a shadow of a 276 00:21:18.839 --> 00:21:22.440 bird, you know, flies over and you see the shadow of it, 277 00:21:22.480 --> 00:21:23.960 and I'm like, well, how big was that bird to cast that shadow? 278 00:21:25.599 --> 00:21:29.759 But I could imagine that, you know, let's say that the bird's 279 00:21:30.519 --> 00:21:32.799 really high up in the air. You think it's closer than it is, 280 00:21:32.880 --> 00:21:36.519 but in reality, it's just a giant freaking bird. Yeah. I do 281 00:21:36.599 --> 00:21:41.640 know there are quite a few sightings out there, and every time I hear 282 00:21:41.680 --> 00:21:45.720 about one, I'm always interested. I always get my ears perked up. 283 00:21:45.759 --> 00:21:48.200 You know, I'm just about to ask, like you said, it was 284 00:21:48.960 --> 00:21:56.039 northeast Texas is where that happened. Yeah, it was somewhere outside of Paris, 285 00:21:56.079 --> 00:22:00.920 Texas. Okay, around the pat Maize Lake area, Yeah, specifically, 286 00:22:00.960 --> 00:22:04.880 but I mean I was there visiting other people. I was a guest, 287 00:22:04.920 --> 00:22:07.400 and they were leading us around, and so I couldn't tell you what 288 00:22:07.480 --> 00:22:11.319 road it was or where we were at exactly. No, I just know 289 00:22:11.400 --> 00:22:15.880 that. I mean I don't know the name of the road like that. 290 00:22:15.319 --> 00:22:19.000 We were literally just in a caravan of cars, just falling the lead vehicle 291 00:22:19.039 --> 00:22:22.240 and you know, this is one of the places we ended up. I 292 00:22:22.759 --> 00:22:26.839 was all kinds of turned around. I didn't have any idea where I was, 293 00:22:26.920 --> 00:22:30.799 but yeah, I don't know. I'd be interested in hearing other people's 294 00:22:30.839 --> 00:22:33.759 stories from that. If somebody else has seen, you know, a giant 295 00:22:33.759 --> 00:22:36.720 owl or something from that area, I'd love to hear about it. But 296 00:22:36.920 --> 00:22:41.799 yeah, there's another podcast called The Bigfoot Society, and I called in I 297 00:22:41.880 --> 00:22:45.759 talked to it. It was actually a guy I met in Van Meter, 298 00:22:45.880 --> 00:22:49.319 Iowa, Jeremiah Byron. Yeah, and he's a great guy. Yeah, 299 00:22:49.359 --> 00:22:53.759 but I told him the story and he had some people listening in and this 300 00:22:53.839 --> 00:22:57.680 other listener I can't remember his name. At the time forgive me for that 301 00:22:57.799 --> 00:23:02.440 if he hears this. But he called in later on, like a week 302 00:23:02.559 --> 00:23:04.559 later, so, you know, after I heard the owl story, something 303 00:23:06.720 --> 00:23:11.599 was in my backyard, something huge over by one of my sheds, and 304 00:23:11.920 --> 00:23:15.440 he thinks he's pretty sure that it was a giant owl. But what he 305 00:23:15.480 --> 00:23:19.559 was seeing, huh. Yeah. I mean one of the more interesting aspects 306 00:23:19.599 --> 00:23:27.079 of your story though, is clearly we're not talking about just a giant owl. 307 00:23:27.680 --> 00:23:33.720 Yeah, because you're talking about this thing presents itself whenever you talk about 308 00:23:33.759 --> 00:23:37.160 it, so that kind of digs into the paranormal side of things. Yes, 309 00:23:37.799 --> 00:23:41.599 I don't know. For some reason, I feel like there is a 310 00:23:41.680 --> 00:23:45.920 supernatural aspect to it, you know, kind of like how some people believe 311 00:23:45.000 --> 00:23:49.440 that Bigfoot is a supernatural being. Right, I'm not sure on your take 312 00:23:49.480 --> 00:23:55.240 on that, but some people describe him as, you know, able to 313 00:23:55.359 --> 00:23:59.400 go through portals or things like that. But ever since you know, the 314 00:23:59.440 --> 00:24:02.519 beginning of this story with the owl thing, that was one of the main 315 00:24:02.559 --> 00:24:03.880 things. It's like, if you talk about this owl, you know, 316 00:24:04.160 --> 00:24:07.200 its senses it it knows when you're talking about it, kind of like whenever 317 00:24:07.240 --> 00:24:11.279 that woman put her kid outside and the giant owl took it. Yeah, 318 00:24:11.400 --> 00:24:15.759 I know that a lot of people have said, you know that this couldn't 319 00:24:15.799 --> 00:24:21.640 happen because owl couldn't pick up a kid, And I'm like, that's total 320 00:24:21.720 --> 00:24:26.759 bullcrap. I have found videos of a lot smaller birds picking up toddlers, 321 00:24:27.240 --> 00:24:32.599 not quite carrying them, like get them a few feet off the ground and 322 00:24:32.640 --> 00:24:36.039 actually drop them because it's too heavy. But if we're talking about an owl, 323 00:24:36.079 --> 00:24:37.799 the side I saw it would have no problem picking up a kid. 324 00:24:38.240 --> 00:24:47.440 Yeah. There is a time there was basically a neighborhood message forum online and 325 00:24:47.759 --> 00:24:51.440 there are some bald eagles being seen in the area and people were talking about 326 00:24:51.480 --> 00:24:56.079 them being dangerous to their you know, pets outside and everything. Yeah, 327 00:24:56.119 --> 00:25:00.599 and people started arguing, you know, about the capability is of a bald 328 00:25:00.640 --> 00:25:03.920 eagle actually taking a pet. So I looked it up and sure enough, 329 00:25:03.960 --> 00:25:07.480 a bald eagle can snatch a cat up or a small dog, no problem. 330 00:25:07.480 --> 00:25:11.519 Oh yeah. So and I'll you know, six feet tall with a 331 00:25:11.559 --> 00:25:15.920 fourteen foot wingspan could definitely snatch up a little kid and haul it off in 332 00:25:15.960 --> 00:25:21.400 the air, no problem in my opinion at least. Yeah. Recently, 333 00:25:21.440 --> 00:25:25.119 I for worked, was in that same area and I came up to the 334 00:25:25.160 --> 00:25:27.519 same crossroad area and I snapped a few photos just so I could, you 335 00:25:27.559 --> 00:25:32.000 know, share it with people, and I'm like, this is where it 336 00:25:32.000 --> 00:25:37.720 happened. So you've had some other experiences though with the paranormal. You've mentioned 337 00:25:37.720 --> 00:25:41.319 a few things to me, you know, in messages. Yeah, I'd 338 00:25:41.319 --> 00:25:44.799 like to hear about some of that stuff. Would you mind telling me about 339 00:25:44.839 --> 00:25:49.559 your demonic encounter that you had? Oh wow, yeah, no, no 340 00:25:49.680 --> 00:25:56.079 problem there. That one's burned into my memory and it's a little bit of 341 00:25:56.079 --> 00:26:00.359 a backstory to it. Whenever I turned eighteen, I was still in high 342 00:26:00.359 --> 00:26:03.319 school, but me and my parents at the time were butting heads and basically 343 00:26:03.519 --> 00:26:07.640 everything. It felt like I just was not wanted in my house. So 344 00:26:07.839 --> 00:26:11.240 as soon I turned eighteen, I told him, you no, I'm moving 345 00:26:11.359 --> 00:26:14.880 up to Rapid City. And my mom at the time was very upset about 346 00:26:14.880 --> 00:26:18.759 it, but they you know, like I understand, and they couldn't stop 347 00:26:18.759 --> 00:26:22.480 me anyways. And before that, years before that, my parents used to 348 00:26:22.480 --> 00:26:27.519 foster children for the state. We had a group of kids stay with us. 349 00:26:27.559 --> 00:26:32.799 They were all brothers and sisters, and one kid in particular was my 350 00:26:32.920 --> 00:26:37.039 age and we got to know each other really well. I looked at him 351 00:26:37.079 --> 00:26:41.240 like family. I believe he was with us for like two years, and 352 00:26:41.440 --> 00:26:44.920 one day came where well, you know, we're giving them back to their 353 00:26:45.000 --> 00:26:48.039 family, so time to pack your bags and leave. And it was just 354 00:26:48.039 --> 00:26:53.359 that quick. You know, it's kind of no forward warning that losing a 355 00:26:53.440 --> 00:27:00.359 friend. So it sucked, it really did. So you know, after 356 00:27:00.640 --> 00:27:06.759 that, we lost touch. At one point, I was dating a girl 357 00:27:06.960 --> 00:27:11.920 in high school and she asked me to go to a friends graduation. So 358 00:27:11.960 --> 00:27:15.519 I went with her. We were friends graduation, and sure enough, there 359 00:27:15.559 --> 00:27:18.079 he was. He was graduating and I didn't get say high to him, 360 00:27:18.119 --> 00:27:21.039 but I you know, I looked at him. I was like so proud 361 00:27:21.039 --> 00:27:22.920 of that moment. I was like, oh my god, you know, 362 00:27:22.000 --> 00:27:26.119 that's awesome. I haven't seen him in years, and he's made it here. 363 00:27:26.200 --> 00:27:30.799 He's graduating high school on the reservation and a lot of kids don't do 364 00:27:30.839 --> 00:27:37.160 that. So I was very proud of him. But I move up to 365 00:27:37.240 --> 00:27:41.119 Rapid City. I'm staying with a cousin and we're actually going to a school 366 00:27:41.160 --> 00:27:47.039 that's outside of Rapid City, but we're living in Rapid City and we're one 367 00:27:47.160 --> 00:27:52.039 night we're at his aunt's house and she is no relation to me, but 368 00:27:52.160 --> 00:27:56.079 it's his aunt, so my cousin's aunt's house. And I'm in the basement, 369 00:27:56.160 --> 00:28:00.039 got a load of laundry from the week of school I had, and 370 00:28:00.200 --> 00:28:03.680 my mom calls me, answered the phone and say, hey, what's going 371 00:28:03.720 --> 00:28:07.799 on? And she informed me that that kid that we had fostered had committed 372 00:28:07.839 --> 00:28:12.880 suicide. Oh man, And that hit really hard at the time. And 373 00:28:14.079 --> 00:28:17.720 I am still very upset about it. But sure, sure, you know, 374 00:28:17.759 --> 00:28:22.240 and fresh news really sucks. So I'm upset. You know, I'm 375 00:28:22.240 --> 00:28:25.599 thinking to myself, you know, maybe if I had said something new at 376 00:28:25.599 --> 00:28:30.000 graduation to let him know how proud I was or how much sho I still 377 00:28:30.000 --> 00:28:33.000 think about, you know, him as a person, as his friend, 378 00:28:33.039 --> 00:28:37.880 and I get upset at everything. At the time. I'd get off the 379 00:28:37.880 --> 00:28:40.680 phone with my mom, I'm like, all right, I love you. 380 00:28:41.799 --> 00:28:45.799 I'm sitting there, load and laundrying in the basket, and I get pissed. 381 00:28:45.920 --> 00:28:49.880 I'm just mad because the way he killed himself was he had hung himself 382 00:28:51.880 --> 00:28:57.480 in the closet with like a sheet and he just let his knees drop and 383 00:28:57.519 --> 00:29:00.400 he wanted to go. I mean, like he could have stopped at any 384 00:29:00.400 --> 00:29:04.160 point, and he he just went. So I was mad at everything, 385 00:29:06.039 --> 00:29:08.440 and I grabbed this basket of laundry and I just throw it across the room 386 00:29:08.440 --> 00:29:11.039 and I'm pissed off, and I go upstairs and I'm like whatever, you 387 00:29:11.039 --> 00:29:15.279 know whatever. My cousin's there, and he's got his girlfriend and a couple 388 00:29:15.359 --> 00:29:19.039 other friends are all there, and it's his aunt's house, and hey, 389 00:29:19.079 --> 00:29:22.000 how's it goal, you know, what's up. I'm just in a bad 390 00:29:22.039 --> 00:29:26.680 mood. I might not want to talk about it with them, So I'm 391 00:29:26.720 --> 00:29:30.839 just being in a bad mood. And my cousin and his girlfriend, you're 392 00:29:30.880 --> 00:29:33.799 like, you know, I don't really want to be a round for right 393 00:29:33.839 --> 00:29:37.920 now. He's kind of being a dick. So they all go to the 394 00:29:37.920 --> 00:29:44.480 back room and I'm sitting out there with his aunt and his aunt is, 395 00:29:44.839 --> 00:29:48.480 you know, watching watching whatever she would watching at the time on the TV, 396 00:29:48.640 --> 00:29:52.920 and it's like, what's going on. You seem like you're really upset, 397 00:29:52.000 --> 00:29:56.319 and I'm like, all right, So I told her what's going on, 398 00:29:56.359 --> 00:29:59.319 and by at the time, you know, I get into everything. 399 00:30:00.079 --> 00:30:06.799 I'm very emotional. I start crying, and she's got her head down and 400 00:30:06.880 --> 00:30:08.799 she's you know, is talking to me, and she's all, you know, 401 00:30:08.880 --> 00:30:12.400 that really is terrible and it sucks that life's like that sometimes. But 402 00:30:12.440 --> 00:30:18.160 at the same time she's really being really nice. I feel a sensation like 403 00:30:18.200 --> 00:30:21.960 I'm being stared at. And I don't know if you've ever been in a 404 00:30:22.000 --> 00:30:23.839 fight where somebody's just looking at you like I'm going to rip your head off, 405 00:30:25.799 --> 00:30:29.279 and it you know, you know that feeling of oh man, I'm 406 00:30:29.319 --> 00:30:33.240 in trouble or this is about to go down. But I have that feeling 407 00:30:33.240 --> 00:30:36.880 for no reason at all, I have that feeling. She's had her head 408 00:30:36.880 --> 00:30:40.240 down, she's listening to everything I say. And I said, I start 409 00:30:40.279 --> 00:30:42.319 to you know, stop crying. I'm like, do you ever get that 410 00:30:42.359 --> 00:30:48.279 feeling that you're being watched? And she immediately stopped, looked at me and 411 00:30:48.319 --> 00:30:52.720 said where. And I pointed to her kitchen and through her kitchen as the 412 00:30:52.720 --> 00:30:56.960 basement doors on the other side of her kitchen. And as soon as I 413 00:30:56.960 --> 00:31:00.119 point to the kitchen, she looks up at it and all the doors her 414 00:31:00.119 --> 00:31:06.480 cupboards open, all the dishes that she had drying on the counter get thrown, 415 00:31:07.240 --> 00:31:10.519 all the plates and all the food and everything in the cupboards are just 416 00:31:10.640 --> 00:31:14.960 getting thrown out. It was insane. And at the time, I'm just 417 00:31:15.000 --> 00:31:18.880 like, what in the hell is going on? I'm pale white, I'm 418 00:31:18.920 --> 00:31:23.160 sure because I was terrified. I'd never seen quite that much activity at all. 419 00:31:25.599 --> 00:31:30.839 And she very calmly gets up, goes over to this like cigar box 420 00:31:30.160 --> 00:31:33.880 thing she has on a shelf. She pulls out some sage and a lighter 421 00:31:33.920 --> 00:31:37.319 that's in there. She starts burning it. She's walking into her kitchen and 422 00:31:37.440 --> 00:31:41.480 whatever is going on, like I describe it as a faucet being turned off 423 00:31:41.480 --> 00:31:45.559 because or water going down the drain, because eventually, you know, it's 424 00:31:45.559 --> 00:31:49.519 all down. But as she's walking in that room, one cupboard, stuff 425 00:31:49.519 --> 00:31:52.119 stops getting thrown out of that cupboard, and the next cupboard. As she 426 00:31:52.200 --> 00:31:57.839 continues, it is all stopping, and whatever it is, she forces this 427 00:31:57.880 --> 00:32:04.559 thing with the smoke down into the basement. She forced whatever to the down 428 00:32:04.599 --> 00:32:07.359 to the basement and she closes the door. She comes, you know, 429 00:32:07.400 --> 00:32:08.519 put her stuff away, this down and she's like, you got upset in 430 00:32:08.559 --> 00:32:13.000 the basement, right, And I was like, yeah, you know, 431 00:32:13.039 --> 00:32:16.279 I'm just terrified. And she's like, whatever it was, it tried to 432 00:32:16.319 --> 00:32:20.759 attach itself to you and at this point, none of this is making sense. 433 00:32:20.880 --> 00:32:23.839 My head's just a million miles a second. I say, what do 434 00:32:23.880 --> 00:32:28.160 you what do you mean? What is it? What? What? What 435 00:32:28.200 --> 00:32:30.440 was that? And she says, from mine, I will from I'm not 436 00:32:30.480 --> 00:32:36.839 sure. I think it's a demon. And she was extremely calm about it. 437 00:32:36.839 --> 00:32:39.799 And I'm terrified, you know. And the kids from the other room 438 00:32:39.920 --> 00:32:43.920 heard all this shit, and they're thinking maybe birds having a freaking attack out 439 00:32:43.960 --> 00:32:45.839 there, throwing a crap around. They come out and they're like, what's 440 00:32:45.839 --> 00:32:50.160 going on? And these kids were actually some of the kids that were there 441 00:32:50.160 --> 00:32:54.240 were her foster kids, because she fostered kids. And she tells them, 442 00:32:54.279 --> 00:32:59.480 oh, the thing from the basement, and every one of those kids was 443 00:32:59.480 --> 00:33:00.799 like, oh okay. And then you go back to the room and I'm 444 00:33:00.799 --> 00:33:06.640 like, whoa, what the hell? Everybody just knows about this. Everybody's 445 00:33:06.640 --> 00:33:09.240 just cool with this, you know. And she says, we've been dealing 446 00:33:09.279 --> 00:33:14.359 with it for a while and it had actually taken over and she just has 447 00:33:14.359 --> 00:33:16.680 the name of the kid that it took over at one point. And she 448 00:33:16.880 --> 00:33:20.680 was and I'm not I'm not picking on her at any means. She was 449 00:33:20.720 --> 00:33:23.960 a great person, but she was a heavier woman, and she said I 450 00:33:24.039 --> 00:33:29.920 had to perform an exorcism on him. And I was like, OK what. 451 00:33:30.279 --> 00:33:31.680 And this kid weighed maybe eighty pounds, you know, he was a 452 00:33:31.759 --> 00:33:36.039 very skinny kid. She says, it took like three of us to I'll 453 00:33:36.079 --> 00:33:38.559 pull him down, because I tried to hold him down myself and he picked 454 00:33:38.559 --> 00:33:44.359 me up. And I'm like, this eighty pound kid picked you up. 455 00:33:44.400 --> 00:33:49.039 And I'm not being mean to her. She's a great person. She was 456 00:33:49.079 --> 00:33:51.279 a heavier woman, and she's like, yeah, he picked me up like 457 00:33:51.279 --> 00:33:52.279 it was nothing. It took three of us to hold him down for me 458 00:33:52.319 --> 00:33:55.599 to perform what I did. And the kid was there and he's just like 459 00:33:57.960 --> 00:34:00.599 I don't remember any of it. But sister was like it was terrifying, 460 00:34:00.599 --> 00:34:07.480 and I'm just like, what the hell. And at the time we were 461 00:34:07.480 --> 00:34:10.480 going to spend the night there, my cousin was like, he's still locate 462 00:34:10.519 --> 00:34:13.400 to spend the night here, and I'm like, no, I'm not spending 463 00:34:13.440 --> 00:34:15.239 the night here. Yeah, I'm going to sleep down in the basement. 464 00:34:15.239 --> 00:34:19.119 As a matter of fact, exactly, I was like, no way, 465 00:34:19.239 --> 00:34:22.760 And like, you know, I've told this story to Cassie and she's she 466 00:34:22.960 --> 00:34:27.400 knows it's real because she can see, she can hear my boy, she 467 00:34:27.559 --> 00:34:30.840 sees me, and she knows that I remember it very well. And I 468 00:34:31.119 --> 00:34:34.400 took her to that house. I didn't take her in the house I took 469 00:34:34.639 --> 00:34:37.079 I went back to the house. We were in Rapid City on a vacation 470 00:34:37.159 --> 00:34:38.920 one time, and I was like, you know what, I want to 471 00:34:38.920 --> 00:34:44.559 see if she still lives there. So I knocked on the door and the 472 00:34:45.000 --> 00:34:47.079 lady's there, you know, his aunt, and she remembers me, and 473 00:34:47.119 --> 00:34:49.960 she's like, well, how are you a bird? And I'm like, 474 00:34:50.000 --> 00:34:52.000 how's it going, you know? And I talked to her for maybe ten 475 00:34:52.000 --> 00:34:53.880 minutes because I didn't want to keep Cassieu on the car too long. And 476 00:34:54.840 --> 00:34:58.039 by the end of the conversation, she's like, yo, you want to 477 00:34:58.079 --> 00:35:00.840 hang out and go because her and some people are there. We're going to 478 00:35:00.880 --> 00:35:02.519 go down to a bar and blah blah. And I'm just like, no, 479 00:35:02.679 --> 00:35:06.119 that's okay. But I did want to ask you something. She's like, 480 00:35:06.119 --> 00:35:07.280 what's up? And I was like, is it still in the basement. 481 00:35:08.320 --> 00:35:13.239 She's like, yeah, still there, still there? And I was 482 00:35:13.280 --> 00:35:16.320 like, man, all right, there's a good scene end, you know. 483 00:35:16.480 --> 00:35:20.000 We said her goodbyes, But that was the last time I'd been in 484 00:35:20.039 --> 00:35:21.960 the house, and in fact that I think that's the last time I ever 485 00:35:22.000 --> 00:35:27.159 talked to her. But yeah, she's moved since then, and I don't 486 00:35:27.199 --> 00:35:31.400 know if she's had any more trouble with anything like that. Yeah, I 487 00:35:31.440 --> 00:35:35.840 wonder if it stayed at the house I was bothering somebody else. Now that's 488 00:35:35.880 --> 00:35:39.719 scary. Yeah, yes, honestly, one of the one of the most 489 00:35:39.800 --> 00:35:45.440 terrifying things I've ever experienced as far as paranormal goes. Yeah, but from 490 00:35:45.480 --> 00:35:55.320 what my very limited understanding of demonic type encounters and just negative spiritual encounters in 491 00:35:55.360 --> 00:36:00.199 general, I mean, yeah, they seem to be a track to do 492 00:36:00.280 --> 00:36:02.880 that negative energy, you know, like the stuff you're going through at the 493 00:36:02.920 --> 00:36:07.559 time. The vulnerability is what she said, You made yourself very vulnerable, 494 00:36:07.599 --> 00:36:12.320 and that's like a chink in the armor, a real weakness, as they 495 00:36:12.320 --> 00:36:15.519 can see their way in through that. Yeah, I'm guessing from my understanding 496 00:36:15.599 --> 00:36:21.280 that kid was upset whenever they moved in there her house because he was no 497 00:36:21.360 --> 00:36:23.159 longer with his family and they were just fighting all the time. And then 498 00:36:23.199 --> 00:36:28.119 he ended up being very upset and got you know, emotional, so he 499 00:36:28.159 --> 00:36:34.079 opened up himself vulnerable and whatever it was, you know, tried to take 500 00:36:34.079 --> 00:36:37.480 a shot, and it did with him for a while. But luckily for 501 00:36:37.559 --> 00:36:42.800 me, I felt that feeling of being looked at, and I brought it 502 00:36:42.920 --> 00:36:46.119 up. Tell me about this. Was it a haunted junkyard? Oh yes, 503 00:36:46.360 --> 00:36:52.800 yep. Well the house my dad built out there was actually just a 504 00:36:52.840 --> 00:36:55.440 few like to start with, he took I believe, with three trailer houses, 505 00:36:55.440 --> 00:37:00.639 put him together and you know, basically build them all together. And 506 00:37:00.760 --> 00:37:07.360 he dug out the spot for the what I'm thinking to pumps and everything underground, 507 00:37:07.400 --> 00:37:14.719 and he put all his trailers there and that's his junkyard, and we 508 00:37:15.119 --> 00:37:19.440 brought cars and all the time. But earliest memories like if you got scared. 509 00:37:19.480 --> 00:37:22.039 I went and slept on my mom and Dad's floor and there was this 510 00:37:22.159 --> 00:37:25.239 light that appeared one night that I noticed as the kid and I'm sleeping on 511 00:37:25.280 --> 00:37:28.719 the floor and I see it and I was like, Okay, that's weird 512 00:37:28.840 --> 00:37:31.039 night, not thinking any because I'm like five at the time, and I 513 00:37:31.119 --> 00:37:32.639 just go back to bed, because you know, what do I care. 514 00:37:32.639 --> 00:37:37.320 I don't know what everything is. I don't know what anything is. And 515 00:37:37.639 --> 00:37:40.199 my older brother. He comes in one of those nights and he says, 516 00:37:40.239 --> 00:37:44.920 who is the old lady. Mom and dad look confused, and they're like, 517 00:37:44.960 --> 00:37:47.199 old lady, who is the old lady that keeps coming in my room 518 00:37:47.199 --> 00:37:50.639 at night? She walked into my room, they should go back to the 519 00:37:50.639 --> 00:37:52.719 bathroom, and then she's just gone. And that's how he described it, 520 00:37:52.719 --> 00:37:59.000 when she comes in my room and then she's gone. So eventually every one 521 00:37:59.000 --> 00:38:04.119 of us saw, almost like clockwork, it seemed like every night almost this 522 00:38:04.159 --> 00:38:09.760 woman would appear in our bathroom, walk into my brother's room, back to 523 00:38:09.800 --> 00:38:12.840 the bathroom, and then she would just be gone. And she was like 524 00:38:13.679 --> 00:38:15.239 had like this glow about her. And that was the light that I was 525 00:38:15.280 --> 00:38:22.159 saying, was that glow. And we lived five miles out of town on 526 00:38:22.199 --> 00:38:29.119 the reservation side of the White River, South Dakota, and there was no 527 00:38:29.159 --> 00:38:30.480 way somebody was coming into our house that night. You know what I mean. 528 00:38:30.599 --> 00:38:34.599 It was same old lady. She did the exact same thing. It 529 00:38:34.719 --> 00:38:37.000 was what we just you know, what I had researched is called a residual 530 00:38:37.039 --> 00:38:45.679 haunting because it doesn't change at all, and it started to happen so often. 531 00:38:45.760 --> 00:38:50.239 It happened during the daytime. Sometimes my dad would have friends over, 532 00:38:50.360 --> 00:38:55.119 you know, somebody stopping to drink coffee with Roy Moran and Peggy and it's 533 00:38:55.199 --> 00:39:00.280 my mom. And dad always had this huge coffee pot for company and they'd 534 00:39:00.320 --> 00:39:02.519 have that thing go on. They'd probably refill it once a day because they 535 00:39:02.519 --> 00:39:08.320 were heavy coffee drinkers. But my dad. I remember one time, one 536 00:39:08.400 --> 00:39:13.239 specific to one that I remember I was there for. I go in the 537 00:39:13.280 --> 00:39:16.519 kitchen for something and the guy's drinking coffee. He looks at my dad and 538 00:39:16.519 --> 00:39:22.960 he's like, oh, I didn't realize you had company. And my Dad's 539 00:39:22.960 --> 00:39:24.840 like, what are you talking about? Well, isn't it your mother in 540 00:39:24.920 --> 00:39:30.119 law in the back there? And he's like, my dad's a partnerative American. 541 00:39:30.679 --> 00:39:35.280 My mom's a white woman. So this woman was glowing almost kind of 542 00:39:35.320 --> 00:39:39.559 a white bluish haze. But this guy thinks that that what he sees as 543 00:39:39.679 --> 00:39:44.000 my grandma, which it is not. My dad says what he says, 544 00:39:44.039 --> 00:39:45.400 Yeah, there's some lady. I just I'll walk into the other room back 545 00:39:45.440 --> 00:39:50.119 there, and my dad said, oh shit, no, that's that's the 546 00:39:50.199 --> 00:39:53.800 ghost. That's a ghost lady. And this guy's like, sure it is, 547 00:39:54.239 --> 00:39:59.159 yea and my dad said, I invite you to go back there and 548 00:39:59.239 --> 00:40:02.320 look. There's nobody back there. Going ahead and go look. So the 549 00:40:02.320 --> 00:40:05.239 guy gets up, he goes back there, and he looks around, he 550 00:40:05.239 --> 00:40:07.559 goes in the bathroom, he goes in the back room. He comes back 551 00:40:07.559 --> 00:40:10.719 out and he said, hey, I gotta go, and he just left. 552 00:40:13.039 --> 00:40:15.360 He's like, nah, I'm not sticking around. This guy just showed 553 00:40:15.400 --> 00:40:17.639 me that there's I saw something. I saw a woman that's not in the 554 00:40:17.639 --> 00:40:20.760 house, he says. And they're telling me it's a ghost. And now 555 00:40:20.760 --> 00:40:22.599 there's no woman there. So he just left. What did she look like? 556 00:40:22.880 --> 00:40:25.639 Like? What kind of clothes was she wearing? And stuff? Almost 557 00:40:25.639 --> 00:40:30.920 like I want to say, I want to say, almost like a dress, 558 00:40:30.079 --> 00:40:34.599 nightgown kind of thing. Yeah. Eventually, like being young, we 559 00:40:34.599 --> 00:40:37.199 asked my parents, you know, what do we do for her, basically 560 00:40:37.239 --> 00:40:39.760 when my brother was Andrew, or what do we do to help this woman 561 00:40:39.840 --> 00:40:44.760 because we feel bad that she's stuck here, And my mom and dad just 562 00:40:44.760 --> 00:40:46.480 said, pray. All you can do is just pray for her. And 563 00:40:46.800 --> 00:40:50.480 eventually we saw her less and less and then eventually she was just gone. 564 00:40:51.960 --> 00:40:59.000 So I'd imagine by the time I was eight, it was she wasn't there 565 00:40:59.000 --> 00:41:05.719 anymore. But yeah, there was another instance. Years later. My father 566 00:41:05.760 --> 00:41:09.280 had added it yet another trailer house to the mix of trailers. Our house 567 00:41:09.320 --> 00:41:15.440 set up kind of like a maze. And I'm in the newer trailer really 568 00:41:15.519 --> 00:41:22.760 nice, and I'm doing my homework. I look down the hall down into 569 00:41:22.760 --> 00:41:28.280 the laundry room area, and there's this kid poking his head out around the 570 00:41:28.280 --> 00:41:31.400 corner from the other hallway which leads into the kitchen. And I'm thinking, 571 00:41:31.440 --> 00:41:35.440 okay, mom and dad got company. I mean this kid. We lock 572 00:41:35.440 --> 00:41:37.880 eyes for thirty seconds. I'm doing my homework, I look up this kid 573 00:41:37.920 --> 00:41:39.960 looking at me. I'm looking at the kid. I'm thinking to myself, 574 00:41:40.000 --> 00:41:45.719 okay, there's somebody here. My parents have guests over. And if you 575 00:41:45.760 --> 00:41:51.639 know that happens, it's basically my responsibility as a child that's say a high 576 00:41:51.639 --> 00:41:52.599 school or a kid at the same time, you know, still a kid 577 00:41:52.599 --> 00:41:57.280 in high school to go get that kid, turn on cartoons so that the 578 00:41:57.320 --> 00:42:00.960 parents can talk and cuss and do all their occupy the children. Yeah, 579 00:42:01.000 --> 00:42:06.639 you know, entertain entertain so the other people can you know, have a 580 00:42:06.639 --> 00:42:08.920 good time without worrying about the kid. So I go out there, and 581 00:42:08.960 --> 00:42:12.880 I'm expecting to find, you know, my dad, my mom, and 582 00:42:13.239 --> 00:42:15.880 another man and woman and a kid sitting there, and it's just my mom. 583 00:42:15.960 --> 00:42:20.000 She's doing dishes. And I walk up to and said, who's here? 584 00:42:21.679 --> 00:42:23.760 So it's me and you. Your brother's down at the White Buffaloes and 585 00:42:24.199 --> 00:42:30.679 spending the night. Your dad's in town playing slot machines, gambling. And 586 00:42:30.719 --> 00:42:35.880 I'm like, who the who the hell's the kid? What kid? The 587 00:42:35.960 --> 00:42:38.719 kid I was just staring at in the hallway and she looks at me. 588 00:42:38.800 --> 00:42:42.440 So there's no nobody here. It's just us. And like I said, 589 00:42:42.440 --> 00:42:46.400 we're five miles from town, and I'm thinking, what are you talking about? 590 00:42:47.480 --> 00:42:50.559 But there was no kid. I looked around the house. There was 591 00:42:50.599 --> 00:42:52.599 no kid. There's nobody there but me and mom. That day? Was 592 00:42:52.639 --> 00:42:57.480 that the only time you saw him? That was the one and the only 593 00:42:57.480 --> 00:43:01.159 time I ever saw that kid? Huh? This once? And like I 594 00:43:01.199 --> 00:43:05.440 said, if we hadn't both looked at each other for prolonged time, I 595 00:43:05.519 --> 00:43:07.920 watched him duck his head back into the other room. So I'm like, 596 00:43:07.280 --> 00:43:12.360 Okay, there's just some kid here. And it didn't look like a ghost, 597 00:43:12.440 --> 00:43:22.280 obviously. It looked like a yeah, yep um. Now. One 598 00:43:22.320 --> 00:43:31.039 of the scariest stories that I could tell you was a guy I won't say 599 00:43:31.079 --> 00:43:36.039 his name. He recently passed to his older gentleman even back then, but 600 00:43:36.760 --> 00:43:43.320 he was a veteran of the Marine Corps and he was he was one of 601 00:43:43.320 --> 00:43:47.840 the nicest people I've ever met. Just awesome guy. And he was staying 602 00:43:47.880 --> 00:43:51.519 late one night. My dad hired him and his crew every year to come 603 00:43:51.559 --> 00:43:53.039 crush a loaded cars. My dad would stay him cars for the year. 604 00:43:53.159 --> 00:43:59.400 We'd crush him. Dad would make a bundle and you know, he hired 605 00:43:59.400 --> 00:44:02.400 those guys come out and crushed cars. So they brought out their crusher and 606 00:44:05.440 --> 00:44:07.719 the crew headed out for the night. Me and my brother actually were in 607 00:44:07.760 --> 00:44:12.159 town at the time, and I think we just went to like to drive 608 00:44:12.239 --> 00:44:15.039 in to grab some food something like that. And we're driving the five miles 609 00:44:15.079 --> 00:44:22.519 back into town down this long hill and we see his vehicle and it's a 610 00:44:22.840 --> 00:44:24.599 big van, one of the old Oliver vans, you know, something to 611 00:44:24.639 --> 00:44:28.519 see on a junkyard kind of thing, and he's waving us down. He's 612 00:44:28.559 --> 00:44:31.000 a Native American guy, and he told me the story is about what he 613 00:44:31.079 --> 00:44:35.280 is in the Marines. That honestly still, I'm just like, wow, 614 00:44:35.280 --> 00:44:38.559 that's terrifying that you saw that. But he's waving us down, like we're 615 00:44:38.599 --> 00:44:40.639 like, hey, what's going on? Man? And he comes up to 616 00:44:40.639 --> 00:44:44.920 our window and he's pale white, and this dude was pretty dark skinned, 617 00:44:45.639 --> 00:44:47.840 but all the blood just rushed out of his face and he was I'm never 618 00:44:49.159 --> 00:44:52.519 fucking working there at night by myself again. I'm not working there at night 619 00:44:52.559 --> 00:44:54.800 anymore. I'm not doing it. And we're just like, what's going on? 620 00:44:55.599 --> 00:44:59.280 And he went on to tell us the story that just happened to him 621 00:44:59.320 --> 00:45:04.320 literally minutes before we saw him, and he was in the front end loader, 622 00:45:04.679 --> 00:45:07.400 you know, picking up cars, stacking him next to the crusher that 623 00:45:07.480 --> 00:45:10.920 way in the morning. Whenever his crew shows up, they can start loading 624 00:45:10.960 --> 00:45:15.679 the cars into the crusher and there'd be you know, give him more time 625 00:45:15.760 --> 00:45:17.639 to start bringing more cars over. He said, I looked over at my 626 00:45:17.719 --> 00:45:22.599 van and my lights were on. I jump out of the front end loader. 627 00:45:23.239 --> 00:45:25.239 I go, turn my lights off, get back into work. Like 628 00:45:25.320 --> 00:45:29.559 a few minutes later, I look over, the damn lights are on again, 629 00:45:29.960 --> 00:45:32.119 and he's like, I go and I turn my lights off again, 630 00:45:32.519 --> 00:45:37.280 and I closed the door I'll lock it. He goes back into the front 631 00:45:37.360 --> 00:45:42.119 end loader moving cars. A few minutes later, his lights are on and 632 00:45:42.199 --> 00:45:46.079 he said, at that point, I'm out. He goes over and on 633 00:45:46.079 --> 00:45:49.519 the other side of the gate or wherever he walks through the gate, he 634 00:45:49.639 --> 00:45:52.679 unlocks his van. He goes to get in. He takes one step up 635 00:45:52.679 --> 00:45:58.119 on the rail, grabs a steering wheel to get in, and something grabs 636 00:45:58.159 --> 00:46:00.960 him by his collar of his shirt and slammed me to the ground. He 637 00:46:00.960 --> 00:46:02.679 said, whatever it was, he's yanking out of that fucking van. And 638 00:46:02.760 --> 00:46:06.639 I look around, he said, expecting to see somebody. Nobody was there. 639 00:46:07.519 --> 00:46:10.800 Nobody was there. It forcefully grabbed me whatever it was, and then 640 00:46:10.800 --> 00:46:15.960 he crawled very hurriedly. He said, I jumped right in my fucking vand 641 00:46:15.159 --> 00:46:19.199 and he says, now I'm talking to you. Wow, that would be 642 00:46:19.519 --> 00:46:24.840 terrifying. Yeah. Yeah, this guy was a marine and some of the 643 00:46:24.880 --> 00:46:28.559 things that he had seen that he told me that he felt comfortable telling me 644 00:46:28.599 --> 00:46:30.800 about. Yeah, I hope, I hope I never have to see. 645 00:46:30.920 --> 00:46:34.599 And this shook him up. It shook him. It shook him hard, 646 00:46:35.679 --> 00:46:37.079 and he never did. He never did work there at night, and every 647 00:46:37.079 --> 00:46:42.280 time the sun got close to setting, he was gone all right by. 648 00:46:43.559 --> 00:46:45.320 And he was a hard worker. He was willing to work late just to 649 00:46:45.360 --> 00:46:50.360 get the job done. But not there, not anymore. I wonder if 650 00:46:50.360 --> 00:46:54.239 it was just stuff attached to the cars and the trailers, or if it's 651 00:46:54.239 --> 00:46:59.159 the property itself or what it was, or it could have been a combination 652 00:46:59.199 --> 00:47:01.480 of both. You know, we had so many vehicles come in that people 653 00:47:01.480 --> 00:47:07.360 had died in. Yeah, when I talk to people about that, and 654 00:47:07.400 --> 00:47:10.960 it's pretty grotesque that I even bring this up. But I remember whenever I 655 00:47:12.039 --> 00:47:15.119 was younger, if we got new cars in, Dad said we could search 656 00:47:15.199 --> 00:47:17.440 through them. We would find like toys and stuff, you know, in 657 00:47:17.480 --> 00:47:21.760 the backseats of cars or in the trunks, or we'd find loose change or 658 00:47:21.760 --> 00:47:22.920 a couple bucks in the club box. And as kids, you're like, 659 00:47:22.960 --> 00:47:28.400 hell, I'm gonna save that money up. And this car comes in and 660 00:47:28.960 --> 00:47:30.800 dads just go for it, you know, go look through it, find 661 00:47:30.840 --> 00:47:35.480 what you get. Fine, And as soon as I get up to the 662 00:47:35.519 --> 00:47:38.039 car, I know it's that there's like blood on the dash and stuff, 663 00:47:38.079 --> 00:47:42.400 not a ton of it, But what stuck out more than anything, we're 664 00:47:42.440 --> 00:47:45.760 the teeth that were embedded in the steering wheel. Yeah, it was. 665 00:47:45.880 --> 00:47:51.280 It was violent, and you think, you know, I don't know why 666 00:47:51.320 --> 00:47:55.480 it is that for some reason, a lot of paranormal stuff happens in places 667 00:47:55.480 --> 00:48:02.840 where violent death happens. But that's a violent death is to be torn apart 668 00:48:02.880 --> 00:48:07.880 in a car like that. And I believe that cars can be haunted. 669 00:48:08.519 --> 00:48:12.920 I mean, if you can live in a RV, that's a domicile. 670 00:48:13.000 --> 00:48:15.320 You know, what's the difference between an RV or a car from a house? 671 00:48:15.360 --> 00:48:20.400 It's still a dwelling of sorts. Well, I mean you hear about 672 00:48:20.480 --> 00:48:24.400 you know, people buying antiques or something, or buying something that you know, 673 00:48:24.480 --> 00:48:28.920 a yard cell and bringing it home and that item being haunted. You 674 00:48:28.960 --> 00:48:34.840 know, you were talking about that type of situation just earlier exactly. So 675 00:48:34.920 --> 00:48:38.599 like people, I think people could easily get attached to a car or be 676 00:48:38.840 --> 00:48:43.119 you know, tied to a car somehow. If they can be tied to 677 00:48:43.360 --> 00:48:45.880 you know, random objects, why not a car. I mean people love 678 00:48:45.880 --> 00:48:49.199 their cars, and they spend a lot of time in their cars, you 679 00:48:49.239 --> 00:48:52.559 know. Yeah, and if you die in a car wreck in your car, 680 00:48:52.760 --> 00:48:55.760 like sure, I can see it. And you know, boats are 681 00:48:55.800 --> 00:49:00.400 haunted there's all kinds of famous boat haunting, so why not, Oh yeah, 682 00:49:00.440 --> 00:49:06.360 exactly, all kinds of fans. That's another type of vessel, you 683 00:49:06.360 --> 00:49:08.559 know, auto automobile, if you would say, I guess, but yeah, 684 00:49:08.679 --> 00:49:12.519 yeah, I mean it makes sense if the guy's there to you know, 685 00:49:13.840 --> 00:49:15.920 crush these cars and everything, and there's a spirit that's tied to one 686 00:49:15.920 --> 00:49:22.920 of those cars, they're gonna Yeah. Absolutely. I remember once we had 687 00:49:22.960 --> 00:49:27.159 an old jeep come in and I'm not saying this a paranormal, but it's 688 00:49:27.199 --> 00:49:30.039 just something kind of creepy. I mean, my cousin were looking in the 689 00:49:30.119 --> 00:49:35.119 middle, like the nighttime, we had flashlights out, and on the hood 690 00:49:35.119 --> 00:49:38.760 of this thing, somebody had scratched in the paint. Helped me. It's 691 00:49:38.840 --> 00:49:44.000 got my mom. What the hell does that? Man? Yeah, we're 692 00:49:44.000 --> 00:49:45.679 like, what the hell does that mean? That's creepy. We can come 693 00:49:45.719 --> 00:49:49.679 look at this car again tomorrow. I'm not doing this tonight. Yeah, 694 00:49:49.679 --> 00:49:52.199 but yeah, that's like the creepiest thing on the hood. Like and it 695 00:49:52.239 --> 00:49:58.960 wasn't like a huge, huge scratching. It was maybe six by six inches. 696 00:50:00.679 --> 00:50:02.480 It's got my mom And I'm like, what the hell does that mean? 697 00:50:02.639 --> 00:50:07.280 Like something a little kid would do exactly. Man, it was I 698 00:50:07.320 --> 00:50:10.519 don't know. We were like, that's enough of that. No, thanks 699 00:50:10.800 --> 00:50:15.320 well, Vert, I appreciate it. Man, thanks for coming on and 700 00:50:15.480 --> 00:50:17.920 sharing all your stuff. Yeah, I'm sure you got more stories. I'll 701 00:50:17.920 --> 00:50:22.960 have to have you come back on sometime tell some more ghost stories. Absolutely, 702 00:50:22.320 --> 00:50:28.639 and people can find you at YouTube dot com local Legends, yep, 703 00:50:28.760 --> 00:50:30.920 Local Legends on YouTube. You can follow me on Twitter at Burton Moran. 704 00:50:31.480 --> 00:50:34.400 If you got to want to reach out to me, you can message me 705 00:50:34.400 --> 00:50:38.519 on Facebook at Burton Moran. And yeah, it's been awesome sitting here with 706 00:50:38.559 --> 00:50:43.800 you. Yeah, for sure. And if you've had your own encounter with 707 00:50:43.880 --> 00:50:49.880 something you can't explain Bigfoot ghosts UFOs or otherwise, send me an email at 708 00:50:49.920 --> 00:50:53.360 Bigfootcrossroads at gmail dot com. Check out the website Bigfoot Crossroads dot com. 709 00:50:53.440 --> 00:50:57.719 You can find links to all the social media, past episodes, merchandise, 710 00:50:57.800 --> 00:51:00.960 and all the stuff all in one place. And until next time, remember 711 00:51:01.639 --> 00:51:31.400 there's something in the woods.