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Hey everybody, and welcome to a
special episode. We have panelists from the

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following shows, Adventures, Angular,
React, Roundup, and Use on View.

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So if you listen to any of
these shows, they are going to

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show up on your feed. And
I'm just gonna go ahead and do the

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panel introductions like I normally do.
If the panelists could let people know what

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shows they're typically on, that would
probably help people who don't listen to those

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shows. So I'm just going to
start with the panel. That's furthest left

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on Zoom. We have Aaron Frost, Hello, I'm on Adventures in Either

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shy Resnick Hello, I'm on Adventures, and as well Divia Saster On.

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Hi, A'm Divia. I'm usually
on the Views on View podcast. That's

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right. You were also recently a
guest on Jaonascript Jabber. That is correct.

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Joe Eames, Hey, everybody,
I'm on Dallascript, Javer, Views

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on View and Adventures in Angular.
Lucas Heish, Hello, everybody. I'm

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Lucas from React, Roundup Tu.
I'm on all of the shows, almost

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all of the shows on Chat Out. So we have a special guest and

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that is Sean Meren. Sean,
do you want to say hi. Yeah,

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hey Chuck, good to be here. I was. I had the

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pleasure of hopping on JavaScript Jabber and
my jas story in the past, so

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good to be back. Yeah.
And you do a few interesting things,

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one of which, if people are
podcast listeners and they're interested in financing finances

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not financing, I think you discouraged
financing, you can go check them out

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at two Frugal Dudes two frugal dudes
dot com. And you also have an

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interesting product that you've just launched that
is related to what we're talking about.

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That's right, exactly. Yeah.
So through the two Fugal Dudes podcast,

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I had the pleasure of meeting some
other people in the personal finance community,

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and then ended up at a conference
called finn Con for personal finance content creators,

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and there I met my co founder
of a new product called mastermind Hunt

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to help people find mastermind groups.
But doing that about a year now.

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Nice And for people who are interested, I'm just going to go ahead let

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people know. Now we're doing a
webinar on January three, right, yeah,

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at two pm Eastern time, and
we're going to be talking a little

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bit more in depth about mastermind groups. But I wanted to get get it

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on the show, because what I
really care about is helping people find the

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freedom in their careers or their jobs
or whatever to do whatever it is that

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they want to do. So for
Angular developers, they want to write more

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Angular or they want to write better
apps, you know, for React developers,

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same thing, View developer, same
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have found over the years that has
really helped me is either finding a mentor

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or finding a group of people that
I'll want to learn together. And we

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were talking about the mastermind groups.
I'm like, this is exactly what I

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did, and so I thought,
Okay, well, Sean knows what he's

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talking about with Mastermink experience. I
think some of the other panelists here do

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as well, and so I just
wanted to give people the opportunity to learn

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about mastermin groups and then you know, give everybody a chance to go and

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form some master my groups, especially
around the beginning of the year when you're

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starting to set goals around bubbling up. So do you want to just kick

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things off and talk about what a
mastermind group is and how they operate,

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and then we can you know,
the panel can jump in wherever they want

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and ask questions. Yeah, sure
thing, and I totally agree. You

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know, I wouldn't be where I
am today if it wasn't for the awesome

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people that I've been able to surround
myself with around, you know, along

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the way, along the journey.
And I kind of started off with,

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you know, coworkers when I first
got into the as an employee in the

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career space, and then eventually getting
involved in the software development community, going

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to user groups and conferences and then
wanting to talk to these people on a

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regular basis. And actually one of
them had introduced me to a concept of

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mastermind groups. Actually, my co
host, Kevin g I think who you're

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familiar with. He's been on the
show before. So being a software developer,

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I've always been inspired to try and
write my own software. On the

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side, I've gotten involved in the
startup community, so meeting other entrepreneurs and

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other like minded individuals. I was
introduced to this concept of mastermind groups.

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Didn't really know what it was.
It's kind of like this gray area.

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I've heard about them. You look
them up online, You're like, it's

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still kind of hard to figure out
what they are or how to run one.

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But basically it's kind of, like
you mentioned, you surround yourself with

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a few people with maybe similar goals
or aspirations, and you talk with them

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on a regular basis, and so
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Maybe you're both trying to either move
your business forward, learn a programming language,

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pay off debt. Maybe you're both
e commerce web developers, right,

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and so you kind of deal with
similar problems. Not both, Sorry,

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it could be anywhere from two to
however many people you want. Usually we'll

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see them anywhere from four to five
kind of work well people in a mastermind

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group. But again, you talk
on a regular basis, You talk about

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what you're currently working on, share
something that you learned, and a problem

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you need help with. And then
you have all these other people you know,

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you know, kind of helping you
with that problem, giving you their

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feedback. And then it builds this
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Hey, by the next time we
get together, I better put what they

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just told me to work right.
So when we do come back and meet

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again, you know, I'm taking
that advice. I'm learning from other people's

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mistakes and hopefully moving to the next
level. Gotcha, I'm curious if any

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members of our panel today have had
similar experience where they've connected with a group

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of people and you know, either
for a fixed length of time or for

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an indefinite length of time talks about
code. I tried it. I try

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several times, once for business stuff
like startup stuff, and one time it

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was around code, but not in
a structure where just like meeting everybody,

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and when it was on like the
business side of things. What I found

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out is that we didn't have like
like a timer on anyone, so we

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didn't have like ten minutes that everyone
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made it a very like, I
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kind of conversation where somebody like took
the two hours and we just helped him

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and then like we tried to make
it irritation. But it didn't last.

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It didn't survive no more than a
couple of times. So I wonder if

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you have any advice on how to
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time. Yeah. Absolutely, that's
a very common problem. Actually, I've

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seen that in groups I've been a
part of and heard the same exact thing

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you just said from other people that
were in groups previously and struggle with staying

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on pace or staying on track.
And I think that's the biggest thing that

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people don't remember or forget really fast
or really quickly, is that, hey,

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you have a set amount of time
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an hour at a time every two
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need to try and make sure that
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time and come into that meeting prepared. I've seen a lot of people come

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to the meetings and just try to
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their mastermind group, come up with
what they want to talk about, or

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you know, just kind of go
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know, there are going to be
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bit more time, you know,
and you're going to have that time too,

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right, and you kind of rotating
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to the other people in the mastermind
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you know, I want to say, in check, but keep the meeting

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moving forward. And so what we
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mastermind groups has a set of questions, right, and we man we set

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a timer on those questions as well, and we say, hey, you

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have ten minutes to talk about,
you know, how your accountability goal went

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last time, whether you met it
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And then and then we get into
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And a problem you need help with
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And so it's it's really the you
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that you which you can do,
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moderator, you can call it,
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that. They're good at that.
They're good at keep keeping people moving forward.

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They're instead of letting someone randable,
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because mastermind groups are supposed to be
brutally brutally honest, right like,

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hey, like you you keep kind
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get to the point, keep digging
into them. But it's really everybody's responsibility.

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I like groups where everybody's kind of
the moderator and everybody. You know,

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you're not just there when it's your
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the hot seat, like you just
mentioned, you're the one talking about maybe

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the problem you're dealing with. You're
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So even when you're the one give, even when you're not in a

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hot seat, you're you're it's your
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group is moving forward and help ask
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usually a lot of that is because
of rambling or trying to beat around the

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bush. So I do a really
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meaning is moving forward, the right
questions or being answered, or just being

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hey, you have five minutes left. You know, let's what can we

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get accomplished here before we run out
of time, because we do need to

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get to someone else or at leads, everybody talks and says, hey,

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let's go ahead and let's get my
mastermind in the group this week or my

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my hot seat. I don't need
to talk this meeting. I'm okay with,

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you know, giving more time to
whoever may need it because I realized

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they need it. But it's either
either you got to dedicate one person to

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it or the everyone else in the
meeting has to be aware that they are

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all active participants and need to help
keep the meaning moving forward. Now I'm

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getting this concept here about you know, like policing things and how to like

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some of the overall organization. But
I'm just still curious, like whebber rea's

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the road. What are like some
examples of things you would say, like

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when you start to talk about this
and yeah, so do was it you

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check that asked if you'd ever done
this to talk about good I was originally

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said no, but of course I
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definitely been part of the times of
the past, but it's been at work,

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and it's these organic conversations where you
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minutes with a coworker about a very
specific code topic that isn't about like hey,

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how we're going to solve this one
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something bigger, right or not one
hundred percent directly appl applicable to the job.

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So for me, I guess that
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curious to hear in these groups that
have happened. Humber Me throwed, what

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are examples of like all right,
we sat down and here's what we talked

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about, and we talked about this
for this length of time, and the

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whole group where we talked about the
whole length of time the whole group and

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how long was the group. I'm
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Yeah. Sure, So what we
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that I create for every meeting and
before the meeting. I'll just give you

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one example of a masterminding group I'm
in. It's been two other software engineers

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that are also you know, kind
of involved in startups, and we're all

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kind of working together on building our
own products. Right. So every meeting,

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this one, we do what's called
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we meet for an hour and we
all three of us are sorry, we

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meet for you know, meet for
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get about twenty minutes to be on
a rotating round robin hot seat. During

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that time, we open up the
conversation talking about our biggest win for the

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week. Whoever's on the hot seat
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my biggest business win, uh,
you know, with mastermind Hunt,

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I sold our first uh subscription to
a user for sixty dollars a year organically

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without any you know, affiliate or
anything like that was a win. Maybe

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that happened for example, I actually
I talked about previously in a Mastermind I

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was in and then we'll move on
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did you hit your accountability goal last
week whatever it may have been, Because

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every meeting you want to walk away
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you're gonna hit by the following week. And we like to use the concept

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of, you know, smart goals. You may have heard that acronym before.

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I can't even remember smart measurable,
achievable, I can't remember what the

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R are is, probably like realistic, and then time bound goals. So

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you say, I'm gonna do X
by X, and here's how I'm going

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to do it. So, for
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actually, that's a great example because
as I was building that product, I

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actually, you know, I was
talking to this this software engineering startup,

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Mastermind about it, and every two
weeks we would meet and so when I

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came in the meeting, you know
whatever the next so I was working on

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let me think of an example right
here. So, for instance, like

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billing, setting up subscriptions and billing
customers within mastermind Hunt directly. So I

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would come in and say, and
I'm working on this billing feature. I

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need to integrate with Stripe. You
know, I was using React actually,

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to believe it or not, this
is my first React app. I used

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Mastermind Hunt as a test to learn
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that, and some people in the
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using React in the past. Whatever
my last accountability goal, i'd maybe talked

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through why I did or didn't meet
that. If I didn't, it's a

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certain piece of code done right,
and then I would problem I need help

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with Hey, I'm looking to integrate
with React or sorry, integrate React with

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Stripe. I see there's a few
libraries out here, like you know,

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using Stripe elements or there's the Stripe
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to send me a code snip.
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have this all written out. I'm
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that billing working, and I'm gonna
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you know, rock that I'm trying
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of the year. You know,
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really what's the small task or the
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that way together even if you're not
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and you're like, you know,
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work through problems and you know,
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one mentors and gotten so much value
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in you know, far away from
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you need to get someone into the
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be worth it for people who are
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what will make them go from that
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weird, like how do I find
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one? Again? I met my
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all these other people out there that
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wanted to network with and I wanted
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awesome people that I met on a
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of have to build a relationship with
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like online idols, honestly, like
people like uh, you know, and

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say, Hey, I'm thinking about starting

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a mastermind group online virtually, right, So there's you don't have to be

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in person, and we could just
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work on and we can talk through
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business. And I was, you
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them. I got all these people
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and just because I asked and they
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be cool just to have people to
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build this personal relationship. So then
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content together. You know, maybe
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I want to meet, or entrepreneur
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for instance. Now I know I have

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a connection that can introduce me the
other mastermind I talked about, the one

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I went with so other software engineers. So recently we had a thirty thousand

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dollars training gig come out of that
that wanted someone in that group got because

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of knowing one of us in the
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needed something because you know, money
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email this morning to the main list
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basically asked people what their problems were. And you have to realize that about

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organized blah blah blah. But when
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I start getting overwhelmed. Now that's
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just you know, a learning style
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I've been doing this for twenty years
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want to learn how do I go
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developer. You know, how do
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help me get a job. And
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master my group or or you get
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features of the new XMASCRIPT standard.
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work through one every week, or
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whatever, and everybody kind of researches
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know, there are a lot of
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want to learn, what area you
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think that takes a little bit of
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your throat process around things is really
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so the problems tend to be a
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more advanced, but they're still there. You still have problems that you're trying

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to solve a place you're trying to
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have this idea and I want to
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do that? Is there a structure? Is there a certain way I should

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learned over the years of just trying
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find your members, right, you
figure out who you want to be in

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the Mastermind group. You can designate
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one person that's kind of going to
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asks the questions every meeting, or
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can make it kind of rotating and
say, hey, everybody, everybody's a

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moderator one week, we rotate every
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keeping the meeting going, just kind
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all, schedule, right, So
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see Mastermind groups around four to five
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in one right now. That's three
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in, and you know, there's
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when we first started forming our mastermind
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we want to ask each other every
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share something, share a tool,
a technique, a book, anything,

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you know, start off sharing something
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something cool that you think you want
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you not hit it? If you
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a problem you need help with?
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sometimes you know, did you hit
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that. But if not, this
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in my meetings because does what you're
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for the year and the problem you're
dealing with? Why is that you know

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occurring? And we really want to
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about it. And then the last
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of all talk through it is setting
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goal by the next time we get
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done based on all the things we
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some kind of technology you can use
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Hangouts, Skype, Zoom, and
what are we gonna are we gonna set

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you know, a document? You
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we going to uh maybe talk to
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ways to do this. I've even
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a Mastermind group, like let's just
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find groups out there, or to create

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groups, or to put all the
technology and pieces together to actually keep them

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running. And that's when I said, Okay, I'm going to try to

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make this easier. And that's when
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you could go and you could find
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people or looking for people, or
you could create a new Mastermind group if

410
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you don't see one where you could
just leave it out there and wait for

411
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people to join. And then it
has it kind of built in like all

412
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the things I talked about, right, so being able to set a schedule,

413
00:25:30.920 --> 00:25:34.160
being able to go into a chat
and talk on a regular basis outside

414
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of the meetings, being able to
actually join your video call straight from the

415
00:25:38.799 --> 00:25:44.079
application, when the time and when
the call starts. And then also set

416
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accountability goals. You can record all
your accountability goals, so every week when

417
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you get back together, you'll know
if you hit those goals or not and

418
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when they're due by. And it's
pretty funny actually, if you don't hit

419
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your accountability goal, the program will
actually send a chat to your whole group

420
00:25:56.319 --> 00:25:59.640
saying, oh, you hit your
accountability goals, So you get all kinds

421
00:25:59.640 --> 00:26:03.440
of fun questions to answer. Yeah. And as far as getting people in,

422
00:26:03.000 --> 00:26:08.240
I mean, I've gotten a bunch
of people that I worked with together

423
00:26:08.279 --> 00:26:11.799
for lunch once a week, right, So we just went to a restaurant

424
00:26:11.839 --> 00:26:15.440
and just did it there. I've
gone to conferences and met people, I've

425
00:26:15.480 --> 00:26:18.400
met people online and then just said, hey, are you're just doing a

426
00:26:18.400 --> 00:26:21.920
call So if you have kind of
an idea of what you want your mastermind

427
00:26:21.920 --> 00:26:26.920
group to cover or to achieve,
then it gets pretty easy to go out

428
00:26:26.960 --> 00:26:30.720
and find other people who are interested
in the same thing and then just be

429
00:26:30.839 --> 00:26:32.680
like, hey, look, you
know, let's all get together and talk

430
00:26:32.720 --> 00:26:34.160
for an hour and well, you
know, we'll make sure that we're moving

431
00:26:34.200 --> 00:26:38.559
ahead. Lucas, you said you
had some experience with something very similar.

432
00:26:38.880 --> 00:26:41.279
Do you want to talk about that? Yeah, of course. So in

433
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my combine that work now zokdoc.
We have some guilds that I believe they

434
00:26:48.480 --> 00:26:56.119
started based on those Spotify talks that
everybody were listening to at some point in

435
00:26:56.160 --> 00:27:00.400
the everybody, I haven't heard those
in the development moment. That was a

436
00:27:00.480 --> 00:27:06.319
moment where people were liking a lot
of those videos. Can send them to

437
00:27:06.440 --> 00:27:11.640
you Allso it's like basically a while
you have a bunch of teams that have

438
00:27:11.799 --> 00:27:15.920
like front end people, back in
people design people working on different teams,

439
00:27:17.240 --> 00:27:22.279
it would have the guilds, which
is like where everybody who worked with front

440
00:27:22.440 --> 00:27:26.480
end would meet. Doesn't make sense, so like it's every week or every

441
00:27:26.480 --> 00:27:33.039
other week everybody that's working like on
the same technology or same domain would meet

442
00:27:33.640 --> 00:27:37.759
people from different teams in these guilds
and the way we do our guilds today

443
00:27:37.799 --> 00:27:41.279
at zuck Doc we do a little
bit of that. We put some accountability.

444
00:27:41.400 --> 00:27:47.720
So every time we meet someone from
front end and they have like an

445
00:27:47.759 --> 00:27:52.920
interesting challenge that either they solved or
they want to solve or something they want

446
00:27:52.960 --> 00:27:56.480
to show, we're like, okay, so present it in the guild.

447
00:27:56.839 --> 00:28:02.559
So now you have like fifty minutes
in the guild you need to to do

448
00:28:02.640 --> 00:28:07.240
something, and people the fact that
there's a day, there's a date,

449
00:28:07.480 --> 00:28:11.799
there's an hour, and people will
be there to watch you. It's really

450
00:28:11.799 --> 00:28:18.319
interesting because it creates the It helps
a lot with the motivation too for people

451
00:28:18.359 --> 00:28:22.519
to actually go and research whatever they're
going to present to So I find that

452
00:28:22.599 --> 00:28:29.720
this accountability and stuff and putting all
these checkpoints, I find that it helped

453
00:28:29.720 --> 00:28:32.839
a lot. Like people who are
going to the to the guild a lot,

454
00:28:33.000 --> 00:28:37.960
they grow really quickly in their in
their domain hour in our case it's

455
00:28:37.000 --> 00:28:44.440
front end, right, So it's
interesting to see like one initiative that is

456
00:28:44.480 --> 00:28:51.680
amble to do that outside the company, like for people in more different domains.

457
00:28:52.160 --> 00:28:53.799
Yeah, exactly right, that's funny. I have I heard the term

458
00:28:53.799 --> 00:29:00.319
guild like that used the outside of
the World Warcraft. But that's pretty awesome,

459
00:29:00.559 --> 00:29:07.640
yer Jake, Oh, sorry,
exactly, but but no, yeah,

460
00:29:07.720 --> 00:29:12.160
perfect, perfect example right there,
and it sounds very similar exactly.

461
00:29:12.240 --> 00:29:15.440
And yeah, so now yeah,
if you can expand that, right,

462
00:29:15.519 --> 00:29:18.359
yeah, to outside of just your
domain or your company, and you get

463
00:29:18.400 --> 00:29:22.359
to talk with other people in the
same industry as you that are dealing with

464
00:29:22.400 --> 00:29:25.160
similar types of problems, right,
and you know, how are you getting

465
00:29:25.160 --> 00:29:27.119
through those together? What challenges are
you working on? You know, let's

466
00:29:27.279 --> 00:29:30.839
let's do something and try to do
something cool together, whatever it may be.

467
00:29:30.240 --> 00:29:33.640
But yeah, I think I think
it's it's very similar. How big

468
00:29:33.680 --> 00:29:36.880
are those guilds if you don't mind
me asking, So our front end guild,

469
00:29:37.000 --> 00:29:41.599
now it's about twenty people, okay, yeah, but every guild only

470
00:29:41.839 --> 00:29:47.359
there are only like four presentations,
so not everybody present in every guild,

471
00:29:47.680 --> 00:29:52.720
gotcha. Yes, But it's interesting
because one thing that that that that I

472
00:29:52.759 --> 00:29:59.200
think these these meetings create is almost
like hacking the fact that we are human

473
00:29:59.240 --> 00:30:03.640
beings, which well, when we
are in groups, it seems that we

474
00:30:03.759 --> 00:30:08.160
work better. It seems that when
we see people trying to do things that

475
00:30:08.200 --> 00:30:14.799
are similar to what we're doing.
We are more engaged, We get motivation,

476
00:30:14.960 --> 00:30:18.920
accountability from other people. It's much
more powerful them accountability for yourself.

477
00:30:19.039 --> 00:30:22.720
Like if I am looking at a
to do list in one week, I

478
00:30:22.720 --> 00:30:26.680
don't feel as motivated as if other
people I look at my to do list

479
00:30:26.720 --> 00:30:32.240
in a week. So it's really
interesting. Yeah, and it's like supposed

480
00:30:32.279 --> 00:30:33.440
to be a positive atmosphere too,
right, Like it's you know, if

481
00:30:33.480 --> 00:30:36.839
you didn't hit your accountability goal,
it's not going to be you know,

482
00:30:36.960 --> 00:30:38.920
bashing you. Oh you know,
like you don't have to be like scared

483
00:30:38.960 --> 00:30:41.759
that you didn't hit it. It's
people that are going to you know,

484
00:30:41.799 --> 00:30:45.880
we want to recognize the access you
know, motivate you, encourage you,

485
00:30:45.880 --> 00:30:48.960
you know, you know, celebrate
your wins together. And if you didn't

486
00:30:48.960 --> 00:30:52.400
get through something, let's let's figure
it out as a team. Why I

487
00:30:52.400 --> 00:30:53.319
need to get through Like you just
said, let's put all of our brains

488
00:30:53.359 --> 00:30:57.279
together. Yeah, what's going on
here? Yeah it's interesting that just say

489
00:30:57.319 --> 00:31:02.079
that because yeah, this isn't important
part. It's not about bashing, right,

490
00:31:02.160 --> 00:31:06.279
It's like, if you don't hit
something, bring it also to the

491
00:31:06.319 --> 00:31:10.720
table, and everybody is like,
Okay, so what didn't all work and

492
00:31:10.759 --> 00:31:15.720
how can we do better next time? Like, because for it didn't work

493
00:31:15.759 --> 00:31:18.480
for some reason for you, this
is also a learning experience for everybody.

494
00:31:18.720 --> 00:31:22.000
Like the same reason that it did
not work well for you will not work

495
00:31:22.000 --> 00:31:26.480
well for other persons. So let's
all try to solve this together. Yeah,

496
00:31:26.480 --> 00:31:29.400
and it was mentioned earlier like how
someone was you know what about shy

497
00:31:29.440 --> 00:31:32.039
people or people that you know aren't
willing to put themselves out there? Right?

498
00:31:32.079 --> 00:31:34.720
I mean, so this hopefully,
you know, if you can build

499
00:31:34.720 --> 00:31:37.200
a comfort zone first of all,
when you're talking to people on a regular

500
00:31:37.240 --> 00:31:41.359
basis, maybe you know, build
the account. Our mastermind, groups,

501
00:31:41.440 --> 00:31:45.400
guilds, whatever, maybe are all
about trust, Like it will go nowhere

502
00:31:45.079 --> 00:31:48.240
if you don't have an area of
trust. And we use this concept called

503
00:31:48.240 --> 00:31:52.400
a frienda right, so basically,
you know, whatever we talked about in

504
00:31:52.400 --> 00:31:56.160
the Mastermind is considered private. You
know, we don't talk about it to

505
00:31:56.200 --> 00:31:59.240
other people. We don't we don't
share this kind of stuff. So you

506
00:31:59.279 --> 00:32:00.599
know, you can give our personal
We could talk about you know, business

507
00:32:00.640 --> 00:32:04.920
plans or things that we're struggling with
that we don't want other people to know

508
00:32:04.960 --> 00:32:07.119
about. Right, So we build
this relationship with people that we feel and

509
00:32:07.119 --> 00:32:08.839
then we can start to open up
with It's a way to kind of tackle

510
00:32:08.880 --> 00:32:12.440
that shyness and hit it straight on, you know, to kind of be

511
00:32:12.440 --> 00:32:15.119
able to come out of your shell. I have I have personally seen that,

512
00:32:15.160 --> 00:32:19.039
you know, many introverts within my
Mastermind groups. Now first maybe they

513
00:32:19.079 --> 00:32:21.599
didn't say a lot, and now
they're they're speaking much more and they're more

514
00:32:21.640 --> 00:32:23.960
comfortable with us, and you know, they provide some awesome ideas even if

515
00:32:23.960 --> 00:32:28.000
it's just them in the chat giving, you know, typing out their ideas,

516
00:32:28.039 --> 00:32:31.599
maybe not verbally saying some things sometimes, but it has definitely helped people

517
00:32:31.880 --> 00:32:35.759
reach outside their comfort zone. And
you see that even with like twitch right,

518
00:32:36.000 --> 00:32:38.440
like people that are scared to program
online or scared to put their workout

519
00:32:38.440 --> 00:32:43.160
on GitHub. As soon as they
start doing it, they start recognizing how

520
00:32:43.200 --> 00:32:47.079
much the community is the same as
them and dealing with the same problems in

521
00:32:47.200 --> 00:32:52.119
same fears, and you know,
getting encouragement and finding ways to work through

522
00:32:52.160 --> 00:32:54.359
problems together instead of people just bashing. I mean, you're gonna have trolls

523
00:32:54.400 --> 00:32:58.400
everywhere, right, but but you
know, just you just gotta just got

524
00:32:58.400 --> 00:33:00.480
to cut that stuff out. It's
the internet. Yeah. When we did

525
00:33:00.519 --> 00:33:04.759
it, you know, I talked
about a group of coworkers going out to

526
00:33:04.839 --> 00:33:07.240
lunch and stuff. We called it
a brown bag lunch, and it was

527
00:33:07.480 --> 00:33:09.799
these are the things we want to
learn, and so everybody kind of picked

528
00:33:09.839 --> 00:33:15.720
one. We decided again what the
rotation would be, and about half the

529
00:33:15.759 --> 00:33:19.240
time somebody would come in and basically
say, hey, we decided we wanted

530
00:33:19.240 --> 00:33:22.359
to learn about this, blah blah
blah, here's what we learned. And

531
00:33:22.400 --> 00:33:28.359
then the next sentence would basically be
and here's where I have built this into

532
00:33:28.720 --> 00:33:31.400
the app, you know, the
product that we work on together. And

533
00:33:31.440 --> 00:33:35.839
so you know, a lot of
times there would be real world examples whereas

534
00:33:35.920 --> 00:33:38.079
people could actually go back and say, oh, this is where I'm seeing

535
00:33:38.079 --> 00:33:44.680
this now. Yep, exactly one
other thing and we talked a little bit

536
00:33:44.680 --> 00:33:46.720
about this. I've also been in
Mastermind groups that turned into basically a big

537
00:33:46.799 --> 00:33:51.000
chat fest. So we'd all go
meet for lunch and then we would leave

538
00:33:51.079 --> 00:33:53.880
two hours later, not having held
anyone accountable to anything or having learned anything

539
00:33:54.160 --> 00:34:00.759
because we all just talked about Pokemon
or something. So how do you keep

540
00:34:00.759 --> 00:34:05.680
people on task? And Pokemon is
awesome? It's true, but two hours

541
00:34:05.759 --> 00:34:08.880
kind of waste the time. Exactly, how do you how do you like

542
00:34:09.119 --> 00:34:15.280
format and manage these accountability goals?
Is it just like are they kept in

543
00:34:15.280 --> 00:34:17.440
a place, have they written down? People write them down? Is there

544
00:34:17.440 --> 00:34:22.159
a commonplace you can see other people's
Is it up to them to report back?

545
00:34:22.960 --> 00:34:24.960
Yeah? Exactly. Yeah, so
we within the Mastermind hat on app

546
00:34:25.000 --> 00:34:29.320
directly, you can add your accountability
goals. After every meeting you add it

547
00:34:29.360 --> 00:34:31.159
there, people will see your accountability
goal. Everybody knows what it is and

548
00:34:31.199 --> 00:34:34.719
the date that you said you're gonna
have it done by, and so if

549
00:34:34.719 --> 00:34:37.360
you don't hit it, you get
a nice little chat message that pops up

550
00:34:37.519 --> 00:34:39.880
that everybody sees, Hey, this
person didn't complete their accountability goal by this

551
00:34:39.960 --> 00:34:47.679
game. It's funny actually, one
of my uh my co founder Eric,

552
00:34:47.880 --> 00:34:51.800
one of his Mastermind groups. If
you don't hit your accountability goal, you

553
00:34:51.920 --> 00:34:55.079
have to make a contribution, a
donation to the political party that you are

554
00:34:55.119 --> 00:35:00.360
not that you don't like. So
so yeah, if you' i'll hit your

555
00:35:00.360 --> 00:35:02.719
accountability goal that you're here, you're
endorsing something that you're probably not too happy

556
00:35:02.719 --> 00:35:07.199
about, so that you know,
it's just like a small little consequence of

557
00:35:07.400 --> 00:35:10.440
not hitting your accountability goal. You
could do fun things like that as and

558
00:35:10.639 --> 00:35:14.199
uh. In another group I'm in, we just yeah, we record everything

559
00:35:14.239 --> 00:35:16.920
in a Google doc. So every
meeting we create a new document and we

560
00:35:17.039 --> 00:35:21.400
list all of our questions, all
our answers, our accountability goals. So

561
00:35:21.519 --> 00:35:24.119
every meeting we go back to the
previous document and see what they were and

562
00:35:24.159 --> 00:35:27.199
talk through if we achieve them or
not. So, yes, they are

563
00:35:27.239 --> 00:35:30.679
recorded, they should be. Everybody
should know what they are. Everybody should

564
00:35:30.679 --> 00:35:35.199
be checking in on how how it's
going. And you'll start to you'll start

565
00:35:35.199 --> 00:35:37.119
to see being people make better goals
right if they're not hitting them. If

566
00:35:37.159 --> 00:35:40.320
you haven't hit your accountability goal,
you know, to two meetings in a

567
00:35:40.400 --> 00:35:44.519
row that's already assigned. That maybe
got the wrong goal or your priorities aren't

568
00:35:44.559 --> 00:35:47.159
right, let's talk through that and
get a better goal going. I needed

569
00:35:47.199 --> 00:35:54.039
to shave my head one time.
There you go, Yeah, that would

570
00:35:54.039 --> 00:35:57.199
be uh, that would be one
that would give you a lot of pressure.

571
00:35:57.280 --> 00:35:59.039
So you can do things like that, right, like I mean,

572
00:35:59.159 --> 00:36:02.119
make bets and stuff. Make it
fun. To your question, Chuck,

573
00:36:02.199 --> 00:36:06.880
I know you mentioned about how you
know, make it productive, I'm really

574
00:36:07.280 --> 00:36:09.800
kind of like big on this one, because I don't care how big or

575
00:36:09.840 --> 00:36:13.920
small you are. Everybody's time is
just as precious, right, And so

576
00:36:14.519 --> 00:36:17.599
when we're in that meeting for that
time, this meeting is about whatever the

577
00:36:17.639 --> 00:36:22.000
topic of your you know whatever,
whether it's e commerce, you know,

578
00:36:22.480 --> 00:36:25.400
developers, that's all you're talking about
in that meeting, not talking about pokemon,

579
00:36:27.679 --> 00:36:30.199
uh, the online personal finance content
creator one that I talked about,

580
00:36:31.119 --> 00:36:36.000
Like I'm I have people in there
that, again that were like online idols

581
00:36:36.039 --> 00:36:39.239
to me, and I completely want
to respect their time, so I make

582
00:36:39.440 --> 00:36:43.519
That's why I think it's important to
kind of come into the meeting knowing what

583
00:36:43.559 --> 00:36:45.920
you're going to talk about. If
you're on the hot seat, you have

584
00:36:45.000 --> 00:36:47.840
to come in and already kind of
know your answers to these questions and you

585
00:36:47.880 --> 00:36:51.719
get right to them. You're not
spending time thinking through them and talking through

586
00:36:51.760 --> 00:36:53.480
them like on the fly. And
then it's up to everybody else, everybody

587
00:36:53.480 --> 00:36:57.199
else to also make sure that they're
not you know, going off on a

588
00:36:57.199 --> 00:36:59.599
tangent or letting the person on the
hot seat go on a tangent. That

589
00:36:59.639 --> 00:37:01.960
happens. I've seen people come in
and talk about you know, personal wins,

590
00:37:04.119 --> 00:37:06.559
whether they've achieved you know, some
kind of weight game loss or something

591
00:37:06.559 --> 00:37:08.360
which is cool. That's great,
but that's not what we're here for today.

592
00:37:09.199 --> 00:37:13.079
As soon as the meeting's over,
then we can talk about that kind

593
00:37:13.119 --> 00:37:15.920
of stuff. But in respect of
everybody's time, let's talk about the task

594
00:37:15.960 --> 00:37:19.519
at hand here, and you'll find, I mean, you still develop a

595
00:37:19.559 --> 00:37:21.239
fun where you can make this.
You know, this is a very fun

596
00:37:21.360 --> 00:37:23.639
environment. Don't want to sound like
it's strict to nothing, but but you

597
00:37:23.719 --> 00:37:25.559
know, if I'm asking the questions, I'm saying, all right, let's

598
00:37:25.559 --> 00:37:28.239
get back, you know, let's
not get off the tangent. Let's move

599
00:37:28.239 --> 00:37:30.800
forward. We got to respect everybody's
time here, or you'll just start to

600
00:37:30.840 --> 00:37:34.000
see that people are just gonna start
leaving. They won't come back. If

601
00:37:34.119 --> 00:37:36.639
if you if you don't want to
go to back to a meeting, if

602
00:37:36.639 --> 00:37:38.800
you haven't gone back to a Mastermind
group. Let's say you miss a meeting

603
00:37:38.800 --> 00:37:43.320
and then you missed the next one, it's obviously not value valuable to you,

604
00:37:43.440 --> 00:37:45.280
right, I don't care what you
think. You know you need to

605
00:37:45.400 --> 00:37:47.840
leave the meeting yourself. If you
if you find don't find the desire to

606
00:37:47.920 --> 00:37:52.039
keep going back and the other way
around too. If you see some people

607
00:37:52.320 --> 00:37:54.000
not attending a meeting, you know, more than two times in a row,

608
00:37:54.000 --> 00:37:55.400
then you need to have a talk
to them, say, hey,

609
00:37:55.960 --> 00:38:00.119
you know, would you you know, would you be considered consider leaving we

610
00:38:00.159 --> 00:38:01.320
can get someone else in here.
Maybe you're not getting the value out of

611
00:38:01.360 --> 00:38:04.280
it that you thought you would,
or you're not you know, giving the

612
00:38:04.519 --> 00:38:07.840
value back. Whatever. Maybe you
want to have active participants that respect everybody's

613
00:38:07.840 --> 00:38:10.039
time and or here for the specific
you know, goal of this mastermind group.

614
00:38:10.400 --> 00:38:13.840
And then every meeting though after at
the end of the meeting, I'm

615
00:38:13.840 --> 00:38:16.000
always bs and with everybody else,
and you know, we'll go out for

616
00:38:16.039 --> 00:38:20.639
beers and do things outside of what
we're just there for in there in our

617
00:38:20.679 --> 00:38:24.559
mastermind session. So so I have
a question regarding to this topic, okay

618
00:38:24.639 --> 00:38:31.199
specifically, so it's a hard kind
of topic to talk about. But what

619
00:38:31.400 --> 00:38:37.000
happens if you meet a group of
people, let's say in a conference,

620
00:38:37.079 --> 00:38:40.599
Okay, you don't really know them
that well, and only after you start

621
00:38:40.719 --> 00:38:47.440
the meetings then you realize that,
let's say one of them is a psycho

622
00:38:47.480 --> 00:38:55.960
killer. No is like you know
someone who just don't doesn't respect the time

623
00:38:57.079 --> 00:39:00.199
or something like that. Something bad. I'm trying to, like know,

624
00:39:00.599 --> 00:39:02.400
just give an example, like taking
too much time or something like that.

625
00:39:04.039 --> 00:39:07.199
What do you do? You know, how do you get around that?

626
00:39:07.599 --> 00:39:13.159
Or how do you solve that?
Did you did it ever happen to you?

627
00:39:13.840 --> 00:39:15.320
Yeah, it actually has happened,
definitely. Yeah. Yeah. We

628
00:39:15.360 --> 00:39:19.760
had people in our group that we
never hitting our account ability. I have

629
00:39:19.800 --> 00:39:23.519
one particular individual that kept coming back
and being around the bush every time,

630
00:39:23.559 --> 00:39:28.960
didn't really do any prep for the
meetings. Still showed up, but you

631
00:39:28.960 --> 00:39:32.159
know, just never really put any
of our advice to action. And so

632
00:39:34.239 --> 00:39:36.320
I guess, you know, I
didn't want to. We didn't want to

633
00:39:36.320 --> 00:39:38.039
have like a we didn't want to
put the person on the spot during a

634
00:39:38.079 --> 00:39:42.719
whole meeting. So the person that
had the best relationship with that individual or

635
00:39:42.719 --> 00:39:45.000
whoever maybe invited them to the group, Uh, we asked that person to

636
00:39:45.039 --> 00:39:49.559
reach out and say and just you
know, let them know our concerns or

637
00:39:49.639 --> 00:39:52.360
just to say, hey, you
know, maybe maybe you're not ready for

638
00:39:52.400 --> 00:39:55.000
the group right now. Whatever you're
dealing with, maybe you know, go

639
00:39:55.039 --> 00:39:58.119
ahead and deal with that, and
when you're ready, you let us know,

640
00:39:58.159 --> 00:40:00.840
and we'll see if we can get
you back in. But I think

641
00:40:00.840 --> 00:40:04.159
the one on one, you know, with someone just kind of saying hey,

642
00:40:04.159 --> 00:40:06.360
you know, do you think you
know? We don't want to necessarily

643
00:40:06.360 --> 00:40:08.079
just say hey, you're kicked out. We want to ask them to be

644
00:40:08.159 --> 00:40:10.079
okay and kind of leave, but
if we have to, we will.

645
00:40:10.239 --> 00:40:14.320
You know, if you ultimately have
to, you can you can kick someone

646
00:40:14.360 --> 00:40:16.360
out if you need to. I've
never had to do that personally, so

647
00:40:16.480 --> 00:40:19.880
hopefully you won't. And then,
you know, because you want someone else

648
00:40:19.880 --> 00:40:22.199
that's going to be in their spot, Like if you can't really add just

649
00:40:22.239 --> 00:40:27.199
more people, maybe you can only
really get through three four people every meeting,

650
00:40:27.400 --> 00:40:29.320
then you want someone else to be
able to come in and take their

651
00:40:29.360 --> 00:40:34.000
spot and give value outside of just
you know, someone that could be just

652
00:40:34.079 --> 00:40:37.039
killing everybody's time. So I've been
through some of this and I just want

653
00:40:37.079 --> 00:40:43.199
to chime in. One is so
Mastermind groups you kind of set an ongoing

654
00:40:43.599 --> 00:40:47.079
meeting schedule unless you plan to sunset
it. But in a lot of those

655
00:40:47.119 --> 00:40:53.360
cases, I haven't been in any
Mastermind groups that have been permanent. I'm

656
00:40:53.400 --> 00:41:00.719
currently in one, and in fact, you can listen to it it's entreprogrammers

657
00:41:00.760 --> 00:41:04.559
dot com and we're a lot more
free form than what Sean talked about with

658
00:41:04.559 --> 00:41:08.239
the structures, so you know,
you can kind of do it however works

659
00:41:08.239 --> 00:41:12.199
for your group. But anyway,
the point that I was getting to is

660
00:41:12.239 --> 00:41:15.519
that some of the groups have just
changed, and so you know, you

661
00:41:15.559 --> 00:41:20.760
wind up talking to people and instead
of having a conversation, we need you

662
00:41:20.800 --> 00:41:23.000
to leave. It's hey, look
the group's changed, or some of us

663
00:41:23.000 --> 00:41:27.920
have changed, and so we're going
to split from the main group and we're

664
00:41:27.920 --> 00:41:31.119
going to go do our own thing. You know. So sometimes it's you

665
00:41:31.119 --> 00:41:35.360
know, you form a group and
you have one bad apple right off the

666
00:41:35.400 --> 00:41:37.239
bat, and in that case,
you know, like Sean said, you

667
00:41:37.480 --> 00:41:40.880
got to figure out how to make
that work so that you can, you

668
00:41:40.920 --> 00:41:45.239
know, move them out and move
somebody else in. But a lot of

669
00:41:45.239 --> 00:41:47.320
times this happens to ongoing groups that
are big, that have been going for

670
00:41:47.360 --> 00:41:52.280
a long time, and in those
situations you just need to sit down and

671
00:41:52.320 --> 00:41:55.079
make sure everybody's clear on what you're
still trying to accomplish with the group and

672
00:41:55.159 --> 00:41:58.920
make sure that works for everybody.
And a lot of times people will opt

673
00:41:58.960 --> 00:42:01.960
out if you you wind up wanting
to go in a different direction, or

674
00:42:02.000 --> 00:42:07.159
if that's just not what they need
anymore. And if if the group's changed

675
00:42:07.199 --> 00:42:10.440
to where you're not getting what you
need out of it, then feel free

676
00:42:10.480 --> 00:42:15.199
to go find another group. Just
make sure that you're communicating clearly what you

677
00:42:15.320 --> 00:42:19.760
need and make sure that you know
the rest of the group hasn't moved there

678
00:42:19.800 --> 00:42:22.639
with you exactly. Yeah, you
don't. You know, you don't have

679
00:42:22.679 --> 00:42:24.599
to if you need to leave a
Mastermind, it doesn't have to die,

680
00:42:24.840 --> 00:42:28.880
right if one person leaves or one
person it gets kicked out, it can

681
00:42:28.920 --> 00:42:30.519
still go on a nice thing.
If you know you're you know you're not

682
00:42:30.519 --> 00:42:34.440
getting the value out of it,
you can leave at any point. You're

683
00:42:34.440 --> 00:42:37.960
not obligated at all. It's a
volunteer thing, and maybe but the cool

684
00:42:37.960 --> 00:42:39.440
thing to do. Maybe you have
someone else that you can recommend on your

685
00:42:39.440 --> 00:42:43.840
way out, right, Like maybe
there's someone that you know it would it

686
00:42:43.880 --> 00:42:45.519
would be a great fit for that
Mastermind group going forward. Maybe you have

687
00:42:45.599 --> 00:42:49.760
achieved all the things to the point
that you're happy with and you're not getting

688
00:42:49.760 --> 00:42:52.119
the value anymore because the rest of
the group is either stayed down or maybe

689
00:42:52.119 --> 00:42:55.079
it's just not relevant anymore. One
of the things that mastermind hunt me do

690
00:42:55.159 --> 00:42:58.519
is there's a leave button right there. You hit any any point and you

691
00:42:58.559 --> 00:43:01.039
can leave any mastermind you then you
know it doesn't matter. Another thing we

692
00:43:01.079 --> 00:43:05.000
do is when you get people,
when people want to join your group,

693
00:43:05.039 --> 00:43:07.280
we have an approval process, right. You don't want anyone hopping in,

694
00:43:07.679 --> 00:43:12.480
so they have to provide an introduction
and background about them, so you get

695
00:43:12.519 --> 00:43:14.880
to know them a little bit before
deciding on Yeah, I like them to

696
00:43:14.880 --> 00:43:16.800
hop in the call and maybe you
set up a one on one call or

697
00:43:16.800 --> 00:43:20.719
something and just talk about your group
before you fully kind of let them in

698
00:43:20.760 --> 00:43:25.159
and invite them to the ongoing meeting. And one other thing I just want

699
00:43:25.159 --> 00:43:29.320
to add real quick. If everybody
agrees to the rules and structure of the

700
00:43:29.320 --> 00:43:31.840
group, then it also makes it
really easy to come to somebody and say,

701
00:43:31.880 --> 00:43:36.239
hey, look, you agreed to
this. It's a problem, we

702
00:43:36.280 --> 00:43:39.639
need to fix it anyway, go
ahead to this yeah. Yeah. One

703
00:43:40.880 --> 00:43:46.920
experience that that I had two times
that was interesting is not it's not regarding

704
00:43:47.039 --> 00:43:52.960
like one person that really needs to
leave, but sometimes just see that the

705
00:43:52.000 --> 00:43:59.960
preparation overall starts to go to get
worse with time. Like the whole preper

706
00:44:00.320 --> 00:44:04.760
of every of every every presentation they
give, like every in our case,

707
00:44:04.840 --> 00:44:13.280
right every the quality of the of
the guild goes down from time to time.

708
00:44:13.280 --> 00:44:17.800
You can see that happening. And
what what what I did two times

709
00:44:17.840 --> 00:44:22.239
that there was really interesting. The
effect was like I got I got it

710
00:44:22.519 --> 00:44:27.840
like to myself to to to like
raise the bar again. I said,

711
00:44:28.199 --> 00:44:30.159
I'm gonna put my name. Next
week, I'm gonna present, and I'm

712
00:44:30.159 --> 00:44:35.320
going to be make like the best
fifteen minutes I can make. You know,

713
00:44:35.480 --> 00:44:38.639
like I'm going to give like a
really good presentation. So uh,

714
00:44:38.840 --> 00:44:45.280
somehow when you go to to to
this meeting and there is like a really

715
00:44:45.280 --> 00:44:50.079
good one, uh, you raise
the bar. There's no way that Like

716
00:44:50.440 --> 00:44:58.320
next time the next week, people
will will put a little bit more We'll

717
00:44:58.360 --> 00:45:00.480
put a little bit more on fortt
in there presentation, in their preparation.

718
00:45:01.360 --> 00:45:07.000
So this is like a subtle way
way of doing things. And for me

719
00:45:07.280 --> 00:45:14.559
it was like amazing. I because
being more prepared for something, it's only

720
00:45:14.559 --> 00:45:17.320
good for me, even if it's
not for the group. So I did

721
00:45:17.320 --> 00:45:21.559
this to ice and the group got
better. Like on the next week,

722
00:45:21.719 --> 00:45:23.159
next time I talked to someone and
I said, oh, do you want

723
00:45:23.159 --> 00:45:27.599
to talk about it in the guild. They like understood that, Oh,

724
00:45:27.880 --> 00:45:31.360
like the bar is a little bit
higher, like I'm going to do a

725
00:45:31.360 --> 00:45:35.760
good presentation too, And I felt
that the level of the whole, the

726
00:45:35.800 --> 00:45:40.400
whole presentation went up by just like
an individual contribution, like a little more

727
00:45:40.519 --> 00:45:45.280
forth on your individual contribution. So
I think that this works most of the

728
00:45:45.320 --> 00:45:47.679
time. Sometimes we have like people
that just need to leave. It's difficult

729
00:45:47.679 --> 00:45:51.039
to do with those situations, But
I think most of the time it's more

730
00:45:51.079 --> 00:45:54.559
about people looking around and see that
that other people are not as committed as

731
00:45:54.920 --> 00:45:58.880
you thought they were, and then
you get a little bit less committed too,

732
00:45:59.760 --> 00:46:02.719
and then the quality goes down.
So these these moments I go there

733
00:46:02.719 --> 00:46:08.159
and I just like, raise the
bar again. That's pretty cool. Yeah,

734
00:46:08.159 --> 00:46:13.320
it's a good point. Yeah,
I mean it's the way we've seen

735
00:46:13.360 --> 00:46:15.519
that you know, we have we
use templates, right, so we have

736
00:46:16.039 --> 00:46:21.920
a template document and so it's it's
really we make it as easy as possible

737
00:46:21.960 --> 00:46:24.199
for whoever's on our hot seat to
just kind of come in and they just

738
00:46:24.239 --> 00:46:28.719
answer these questions beforehand, make it
you know, and uh, yeah,

739
00:46:28.719 --> 00:46:30.480
you'll see people that really go to
town on that, right, and they

740
00:46:30.880 --> 00:46:34.519
go crazy with all the all the
stuff they enter in there, and some

741
00:46:34.519 --> 00:46:38.079
people that just add a few words, And it's kind of hard because it's

742
00:46:38.480 --> 00:46:42.039
it's, you know, on one
side, it's like, Okay, maybe

743
00:46:42.079 --> 00:46:45.599
you're just really good at talking and
you only need a few points and you're

744
00:46:45.840 --> 00:46:49.360
you know, you're just really good
presenting or doing live things and sharing.

745
00:46:49.960 --> 00:46:52.199
Or on the other side, you
put way too much stuff in this document

746
00:46:52.199 --> 00:46:55.639
and we're never going to get through
it. At the same time, so

747
00:46:55.880 --> 00:46:59.079
but yeah, the quality, that's
a good one. Yeah, I mean

748
00:46:59.119 --> 00:47:00.519
the quality the people you have in
your group, you know. Uh,

749
00:47:00.719 --> 00:47:05.280
you know this is a good one
too, right, Like whoever starts the

750
00:47:05.320 --> 00:47:07.880
meeting, you know, whoever kicks
it off, you know, just it's

751
00:47:07.920 --> 00:47:12.239
all that initial attitude can set the
tone for the whole meeting, you know,

752
00:47:12.880 --> 00:47:15.840
So coming in excited, positive,
you know, that's why I like

753
00:47:15.920 --> 00:47:20.199
doing like the wins and the and
the sharing something in the beginning of a

754
00:47:20.239 --> 00:47:22.559
meeting. It just kind of gets
people engaged, people excited, and then

755
00:47:22.639 --> 00:47:25.559
you know, I don't know,
I guess they're they're feeling like, you

756
00:47:25.599 --> 00:47:31.800
know, they're ready to go by
that time. I'm wondering how you actually

757
00:47:31.840 --> 00:47:37.280
tackle Let's say someone comes in with
their goals like day in and day or

758
00:47:37.400 --> 00:47:40.440
every single regularly scheduled week, and
they are not hitting those goals. So

759
00:47:40.480 --> 00:47:45.760
they're they're they're kind of moving towards
the goal post, but they're not hitting

760
00:47:45.800 --> 00:47:50.639
the exact goals that they want.
So there's a lot of frustration in these

761
00:47:50.679 --> 00:47:53.639
meetings. Let's say, like,
how do you keep people like that engaged

762
00:47:53.679 --> 00:47:57.760
because they are still working towards the
goal. They still have like the idea

763
00:47:57.800 --> 00:48:01.519
of wanting to be successful, but
they're not necessarily like they might not be

764
00:48:01.639 --> 00:48:06.079
as successful as they want to be. So how would you keep people like

765
00:48:06.119 --> 00:48:10.760
that as engaged without them just completely
leaving the group? Right? Yeah,

766
00:48:10.800 --> 00:48:15.000
I mean so I guess, well, obviously the first thing I think of

767
00:48:15.119 --> 00:48:17.199
is, you know, they're just
making too big of goals, so they

768
00:48:17.199 --> 00:48:21.800
just need to be better at breaking
them down in the smaller task maybe more

769
00:48:21.840 --> 00:48:22.840
smaller tasks, so they still feel
like, oh, yeah, look,

770
00:48:22.880 --> 00:48:27.199
I knocked out these three small ones
instead of not hitting this big, huge

771
00:48:27.199 --> 00:48:30.320
one that I keep setting myself up
for failure for. And that's kind of

772
00:48:30.320 --> 00:48:32.360
where I come back to that term
the smart accountability goals, right, you

773
00:48:32.400 --> 00:48:36.599
know, something that's smart, measurable, achievable. That's the big thing,

774
00:48:36.639 --> 00:48:38.719
you know, make something that's achievable
by the next time you get back.

775
00:48:38.719 --> 00:48:42.960
And it's really up to the responsibility
of all the other members in the group

776
00:48:43.639 --> 00:48:46.599
to say is to say something if
they recognize that, like, you haven't

777
00:48:46.639 --> 00:48:49.559
hit your goal in the past two
three weeks. Why do you think that

778
00:48:49.679 --> 00:48:53.079
is? I think you're being able
to ambitious or it's something else that's getting

779
00:48:53.079 --> 00:48:57.079
in a way. The most common
thing I see in all my mastermind groups

780
00:48:57.199 --> 00:49:00.719
is usually related to organization and scheduling
and time blocks, and people just don't

781
00:49:00.719 --> 00:49:05.480
know how they work. Like it's
a lot of times figuring out what kind

782
00:49:05.480 --> 00:49:07.800
of person you are, you know, like, you know, what how

783
00:49:07.840 --> 00:49:10.679
do you work best? Is?
Are you a morning person? You know?

784
00:49:10.800 --> 00:49:14.440
Do you need to make sure whatever
your goal is, that that's the

785
00:49:14.440 --> 00:49:17.280
first thing you're looking at every day
before moving on to check Facebook, you

786
00:49:17.320 --> 00:49:22.119
know, or social media. That
happens all the time, and so a

787
00:49:22.159 --> 00:49:24.039
lot of times, a lot of
the reasons we see people not hit their

788
00:49:24.079 --> 00:49:28.880
goals is always related to scheduling,
you know, it's just priorities and scheduling,

789
00:49:29.199 --> 00:49:30.679
so a lot of so usually it's
just, you know, their priorities

790
00:49:30.719 --> 00:49:34.199
are mixed up. They need to
kind of revisit and sit down their priorities.

791
00:49:34.280 --> 00:49:37.199
Now. We have also seen where
people don't meet their accountability goals because

792
00:49:37.239 --> 00:49:42.119
they're just not they don't feel the
accountability, they're not as motivated from the

793
00:49:42.159 --> 00:49:45.199
group maybe anymore. And that has
been where we've actually asked someone to leave

794
00:49:45.599 --> 00:49:49.800
because we just don't think they were
getting the value out of it. You

795
00:49:49.800 --> 00:49:52.159
know, they liked being there because
it was fun, but the same time,

796
00:49:52.239 --> 00:49:54.199
they were kind of you know,
just being there because it was fun.

797
00:49:54.840 --> 00:49:58.639
Was was kind of you know,
was they were never moving their their

798
00:49:58.679 --> 00:50:00.639
business forward or And the same time, we never really felt like they were

799
00:50:00.679 --> 00:50:05.920
kind of actively participating in everybody else's
hot seat because they know they weren't going

800
00:50:05.960 --> 00:50:07.840
through the trials and tribulations everybody else
was, so it was very hard for

801
00:50:07.880 --> 00:50:13.280
them to share those with everybody else
by them constantly not even hitting or trying

802
00:50:13.320 --> 00:50:15.679
to meet their accountability goal. That's
fair. And on that note, I

803
00:50:15.719 --> 00:50:20.480
was just curious, is there do
you have a sense of like because lots

804
00:50:20.519 --> 00:50:23.360
of the times people come in to
these kinds of meetings, guilds of mastermind

805
00:50:23.360 --> 00:50:28.559
groups with the idea that they want
They have this big idea of changing some

806
00:50:28.679 --> 00:50:32.760
part of their life or being successful
in one aspect, but then that that

807
00:50:34.719 --> 00:50:38.280
and enthusiasm tapoes away with time.
It's the same with like when people at

808
00:50:38.280 --> 00:50:40.480
New Year's it's like, I'm going
to hit the gym every single day,

809
00:50:40.519 --> 00:50:45.239
and then by the end of like
January, they don't do it anymore.

810
00:50:45.559 --> 00:50:51.000
So, like, how do you
keep like members of mastermind groups engaged so

811
00:50:51.039 --> 00:50:54.039
that they're on track constantly without like
that taper off, And like is there

812
00:50:54.719 --> 00:50:59.199
do you see the trend of like
a drop off rate in these groups?

813
00:51:00.159 --> 00:51:04.039
Yeah, Consistency is the big thing
there, right, I mean, it's

814
00:51:04.079 --> 00:51:07.880
just doing things consistently on a regular
basis, making it a habit, maybe

815
00:51:07.119 --> 00:51:09.960
part of your routine. That's where
I that's where we see the most success.

816
00:51:10.000 --> 00:51:14.239
Even with people you know running a
podcast or a blog, you know,

817
00:51:14.280 --> 00:51:16.960
it's like at least initially they need
to be consistent, consistent, consistent.

818
00:51:17.719 --> 00:51:20.920
But yeah, I do see people
veer off because what we do is

819
00:51:21.000 --> 00:51:22.480
in one of my mastermind groups is
at the beginning of every year, we

820
00:51:22.480 --> 00:51:24.440
set big rocks. So we say, by the end of the year,

821
00:51:25.079 --> 00:51:29.920
these are the you know, three
big things I want to accomplish. And

822
00:51:30.000 --> 00:51:31.519
so what we do is we keep
those kind of on the on the forefront,

823
00:51:31.599 --> 00:51:34.760
right, We keep that we know, we know what those are.

824
00:51:35.360 --> 00:51:37.519
And so as we're going throughout the
year and we're setting these small, you

825
00:51:37.519 --> 00:51:42.199
know, week week goals, we're
still making sure that they're not veering from

826
00:51:42.199 --> 00:51:44.480
that big rock, you know,
or if it did, why did it

827
00:51:45.280 --> 00:51:50.480
have your goals changed? I mean
it ultimately it comes down a lot of

828
00:51:50.480 --> 00:51:52.280
time to really wanting it, like
you're not you know, if you're if

829
00:51:52.320 --> 00:51:54.360
you want to do something, you
have to really want it right. And

830
00:51:54.800 --> 00:51:58.000
if they're not doing it, or
if they're not if they're not making any

831
00:51:58.000 --> 00:52:00.199
strides towards that big rock, it's
most like because there's something else they want

832
00:52:00.239 --> 00:52:04.280
to do more. They think they
want to do something, but until they

833
00:52:04.280 --> 00:52:07.159
actually do it, they don't really
know that they don't want to and there's

834
00:52:07.159 --> 00:52:10.159
something else instead. But yeah,
I mean throughout the year, you know,

835
00:52:10.400 --> 00:52:13.639
there's seasons too, right, I
mean it's summer, you know,

836
00:52:13.719 --> 00:52:15.559
kids out of school, whatever it
may be. We do see times where

837
00:52:16.360 --> 00:52:21.639
you know, holidays for instance,
we just had Thanksgiving here recently, so

838
00:52:21.880 --> 00:52:25.360
uh yeah, we had some people
missed some accountability goals. So uh uh

839
00:52:25.400 --> 00:52:28.519
you know that that's that's kind of
stuff's going to happen. You have to

840
00:52:28.599 --> 00:52:30.119
kind of, I guess before looking, before you set your goals and know

841
00:52:30.480 --> 00:52:35.079
they do have vacation coming up,
things like that. But yeah, I

842
00:52:35.079 --> 00:52:37.320
mean, it's just making it a
fun environment and when you do get in

843
00:52:37.719 --> 00:52:42.360
every meeting maybe a place people want
to come back with, congratulating people often,

844
00:52:42.679 --> 00:52:45.119
you know, keeping it motivating and
then being consistent, you know,

845
00:52:45.519 --> 00:52:49.719
com meeting on a regular basis.
Maybe you're not meeting enough, maybe you're

846
00:52:49.760 --> 00:52:53.840
meeting too much. So h you
mentioned you know one group kind of uh

847
00:52:54.159 --> 00:52:58.800
died off or didn't meet, didn't
meet meet their accountability goals on you know

848
00:52:58.960 --> 00:53:01.880
every time. Maybe that meat group
is meeting too often. Because I know,

849
00:53:02.000 --> 00:53:07.239
even even like with like a podcast
for example that I run, it

850
00:53:07.360 --> 00:53:09.079
was really cool at first doing everything
once a week every week, but then

851
00:53:09.119 --> 00:53:13.840
it just felt like another thing I
had to do. So I became I

852
00:53:14.000 --> 00:53:16.000
I scaled it back a little bit, and now it's fun again because I

853
00:53:16.000 --> 00:53:20.199
have a little bit more time in
between. Yeah, I think, I

854
00:53:20.400 --> 00:53:22.039
mean it changes, you know,
it's I guess moving with the tides,

855
00:53:23.280 --> 00:53:30.159
anything else that we should discuss before
we go to picks. Just to recap

856
00:53:30.199 --> 00:53:36.559
the process. You meet every two
weeks and you have a hot seat,

857
00:53:37.360 --> 00:53:42.639
and I just didn't I don't remember
if everybody is on the hot seat for

858
00:53:42.719 --> 00:53:47.519
the for the meeting or just like
one person at the time, like every

859
00:53:47.559 --> 00:53:53.559
meeting, it's a different person,
just that that part. I don't remember

860
00:53:54.440 --> 00:53:59.480
any groups that work both ways.
I've been groups that everybody got a hot

861
00:53:59.519 --> 00:54:02.159
seat every time time. Ault of
programmers kind of operates that way. Generally,

862
00:54:02.559 --> 00:54:07.559
if somebody has something to bring up, it comes up some of the

863
00:54:07.559 --> 00:54:09.159
other ones. You know, there
were like one or two of us every

864
00:54:09.159 --> 00:54:14.519
week when we met. I've been
in mastermin groups that met once a month

865
00:54:15.519 --> 00:54:17.719
and and operated that way. So
it just it really really depends on your

866
00:54:17.719 --> 00:54:21.840
group and how you want to structure
it. Yeah, exactly. I'm in

867
00:54:21.960 --> 00:54:24.800
the three person Mastermind group I'm in. We do a round robin every meeting.

868
00:54:25.000 --> 00:54:28.440
Each one of us is on the
hot seat every two weeks. The

869
00:54:28.519 --> 00:54:30.719
other group, twelve person Mastermind group
I'm in, we meet every two weeks

870
00:54:30.719 --> 00:54:34.119
as well, but we only put
two people on the hot seat for thirty

871
00:54:34.119 --> 00:54:36.760
minutes apiece, so I might not
be on the hot seat again for two

872
00:54:36.760 --> 00:54:39.719
months, so much different. So
it doesn't have to be two weeks any

873
00:54:39.760 --> 00:54:43.320
any you know, you get I
think an initial kind of kickoff meeting is

874
00:54:43.360 --> 00:54:45.760
great with the people that you want
in the group. Hey, let you

875
00:54:45.760 --> 00:54:47.039
know what schedule works for everybody?
How often do we want to meet?

876
00:54:47.639 --> 00:54:52.199
If we do that, you know, how can we split that time up

877
00:54:52.400 --> 00:54:54.119
and to make sure to either get
everybody on the hot seat every time or

878
00:54:54.159 --> 00:54:58.599
maybe just focus on one person for
that full extent of time. You know,

879
00:54:58.800 --> 00:55:01.000
it could be just dependent on the
niche you're in or what the group's

880
00:55:01.039 --> 00:55:06.400
about that determines kind of you know, how often or how long whoever's in

881
00:55:06.440 --> 00:55:12.800
the and the hot seat needs Okay, cool, thanks, alrighty, Well,

882
00:55:13.239 --> 00:55:15.880
before we do picks, Sean,
do you want to give out the

883
00:55:15.880 --> 00:55:17.599
link for the webinar that we're going
to be doing, because I'm sure some

884
00:55:17.639 --> 00:55:21.840
people are going to hear this thing'll
be like I have more questions and they'll

885
00:55:21.880 --> 00:55:23.920
know where to find us. Yeah
exactly, Yeah, yeah, thanks,

886
00:55:24.000 --> 00:55:27.079
Chuck. We're excited. Yeah,
we're going to be doing a webinar.

887
00:55:27.199 --> 00:55:30.719
Thursday, January third, at three
pm or two two pm Eastern. I'm

888
00:55:30.719 --> 00:55:35.079
already forget but pm Eastern gowo pm
Eastern. All right, And the link

889
00:55:35.159 --> 00:55:39.320
is Mastermind Hunt h U n T
dot com slash dead of Chat. So

890
00:55:39.360 --> 00:55:43.360
if you go there, you can
register for the webinar and yeah, we'll

891
00:55:43.360 --> 00:55:45.599
have a presentation where we'll kind of
walk you through the history and what a

892
00:55:45.599 --> 00:55:49.960
Mastermind group is, and then we'll
show you some examples of you know,

893
00:55:49.960 --> 00:55:52.519
how we run some Mastermind group,
some things that have came out of them,

894
00:55:52.760 --> 00:55:53.679
and give you a demo as well
of the app, so you can

895
00:55:53.760 --> 00:55:58.159
kind of see how it will help
you find find a Mastermind group, create

896
00:55:58.159 --> 00:56:00.880
one if you just want to start
one out there and you don't see one

897
00:56:00.960 --> 00:56:05.920
you like, and also run your
Mastermind group every time you meet. Awesome,

898
00:56:06.039 --> 00:56:07.840
Well, let's go and do some
picks. Shy, do you want

899
00:56:07.840 --> 00:56:14.119
to start off with picks? Yeah? Why not? Uh So I have

900
00:56:14.400 --> 00:56:22.599
one pick. It's a guy called
Bob Proctor. You might know him.

901
00:56:23.119 --> 00:56:30.880
He's a very very famous, I
don't know, motivational speaker or like you

902
00:56:30.920 --> 00:56:37.280
know, I call it instant psychology
speaker. And he's really into the think

903
00:56:37.360 --> 00:56:45.079
and grow rich book, and every
now and then I need a reminder to

904
00:56:45.000 --> 00:56:54.199
realign my thoughts and watch what I'm
thinking of and not like and staying positive

905
00:56:54.239 --> 00:57:00.000
and not letting negativity kicks in.
So every time I need the boot,

906
00:57:00.400 --> 00:57:07.559
I just google Bob Proctor on YouTube
and just watch anything this guy have to

907
00:57:07.599 --> 00:57:13.840
say. It's not like the best
I think delivery style. It's like a

908
00:57:14.000 --> 00:57:20.840
very old school style of teaching,
but the content is amazing, So really

909
00:57:20.840 --> 00:57:27.039
recommend him. Awesome, Joe,
What are your picks? Okay, So

910
00:57:27.519 --> 00:57:30.639
I got three picks today. The
first one is a website, cool stuff

911
00:57:30.679 --> 00:57:36.760
Inc. It's a mostly board games, although they sell these other related type

912
00:57:36.760 --> 00:57:39.039
items like magic cards and stuff.
But I really like it for board games.

913
00:57:39.280 --> 00:57:43.800
It's oftentimes even better pricing than Amazon, and they have a lot more

914
00:57:43.960 --> 00:57:47.519
like the newer stuff than Amazon does, and better reviews and such. So

915
00:57:50.239 --> 00:57:52.960
if you're looking for a place to
buy board games online, I can highly

916
00:57:52.000 --> 00:57:58.719
recommend cool Stuff Inc. My next
pick is a board game, of course

917
00:57:59.760 --> 00:58:02.679
luck I think I picked this in
the past, but Luxor is an amazing

918
00:58:02.719 --> 00:58:09.800
board game where you basically get to
play Indiana Jones. You're competing with everybody

919
00:58:09.840 --> 00:58:15.199
else to go and find the most
things in a like a temple or a

920
00:58:15.199 --> 00:58:17.719
pyramid or something like that. And
then the final my final pick is we

921
00:58:17.920 --> 00:58:22.800
just launched today. That's really awesome, a new initiative at Energi COOMF and

922
00:58:22.840 --> 00:58:27.079
so at Edgie COMF. We have
twenty minute talks and we have some longer

923
00:58:27.119 --> 00:58:30.840
talks. Mostly these twenty minute talks, and that does seem short, but

924
00:58:30.880 --> 00:58:35.039
when you're a busy person you want
to consume a lot of media. Even

925
00:58:35.079 --> 00:58:37.480
twenty minutes can be a long time
and you're not really sure if it's a

926
00:58:37.480 --> 00:58:40.440
talk you want to watch the whole
of or what so. Engi COOMF is

927
00:58:40.480 --> 00:58:45.639
now producing a thing called Enngi Comfminified, which is short versions of all of

928
00:58:45.679 --> 00:58:50.559
the talks about four minutes. We
cut them down and edit them down to

929
00:58:50.599 --> 00:58:55.599
about four minutes from what their original
twenty minutes was, and you can watch

930
00:58:55.639 --> 00:59:00.840
those and find either maybe you get
all the content from the talk from NGI

931
00:59:00.920 --> 00:59:05.280
comp which of course these are angular
related talks, right, Maybe you get

932
00:59:05.280 --> 00:59:07.159
all the enough of the content you
don't want to watch the whole thing,

933
00:59:07.280 --> 00:59:08.800
or in the four minutes you find
out that, yeah, this is good

934
00:59:08.840 --> 00:59:12.480
enough talk, I want to watch
the whole thing or there's more content in

935
00:59:12.519 --> 00:59:15.599
here. I want to see all
the details. And so that's what we

936
00:59:15.679 --> 00:59:20.679
launched that today. It's I was
really excited. We had a big live

937
00:59:20.719 --> 00:59:23.119
event and a lot of people have
responded very favorably to it. So that's

938
00:59:23.119 --> 00:59:30.639
my final pick. NG comf minified. Nice. Do they get obfiscated when

939
00:59:30.679 --> 00:59:34.840
they get auglified? We had some
comments about uglified and such was pretty funny.

940
00:59:35.559 --> 00:59:40.679
Nice. I don't need I don't
need the auglification. I'm Lucas.

941
00:59:40.679 --> 00:59:45.519
Do you have some pick for us? Hi? Yes, they have so.

942
00:59:45.400 --> 00:59:52.639
I in our life as devs,
where we always are dealing with other

943
00:59:52.679 --> 00:59:55.960
people, right, and we're always
dealing with feedback to to to other people,

944
00:59:57.559 --> 01:00:00.519
be either like to a cold review
or just working with people in the

945
01:00:00.599 --> 01:00:06.760
same the same team you're being a
leader or not. This is a constant

946
01:00:06.800 --> 01:00:10.719
in our lives. And one friend
of mine he we were talking about it

947
01:00:10.760 --> 01:00:16.320
and he said, like, oh, there's this bestseller book in business called

948
01:00:16.440 --> 01:00:23.400
Radical Candor that is like a really
good book about feedback, and I'm listening

949
01:00:23.400 --> 01:00:28.920
to it right now. It's an
audiobook and it's really it's really good.

950
01:00:29.039 --> 01:00:37.440
It's like illuminating in terms of she
talks about giving honest feedback but not being

951
01:00:37.599 --> 01:00:44.480
like the importance of being giving honest
feedback and ways to deal with that situation

952
01:00:44.639 --> 01:00:51.519
that we usually try to avoid because
we don't like conflict, and how important

953
01:00:51.559 --> 01:00:57.000
it is even like we don't like
conflict, we don't like to give negative

954
01:00:57.000 --> 01:00:59.760
feedback, but she talks about the
importance of it and of course like a

955
01:00:59.800 --> 01:01:06.119
time ways of doing that in a
better way than just being blunt and aggressive.

956
01:01:06.840 --> 01:01:10.880
So it's a I recommend this book. I'm in the middle now and

957
01:01:12.119 --> 01:01:16.800
it's really good. Awesome Vian,
what are your picks? Cool? So

958
01:01:17.039 --> 01:01:22.840
my first pick is related to the
Bob Profter one. Actually it made me

959
01:01:22.880 --> 01:01:27.280
think about I listened to Alan Watts, like a lot of Alan Watts,

960
01:01:27.599 --> 01:01:30.480
and he talks a lot of his
talks are about spirituality, and so if

961
01:01:30.519 --> 01:01:34.719
you're not like someone who's into that, that's totally fine, because he also

962
01:01:34.719 --> 01:01:38.599
talks about the human condition and in
terms of like the way that your mind

963
01:01:38.639 --> 01:01:43.519
works, which I think is really
interesting and it's just things to think about.

964
01:01:44.320 --> 01:01:46.480
And that's a really great one that's
completely not software related, but really

965
01:01:46.559 --> 01:01:52.480
nice to just like ponder. And
then My second is actually something related to

966
01:01:52.519 --> 01:01:58.599
what Joe organizers, who just Frameworks
on It. He mentioned videos that came

967
01:01:58.679 --> 01:02:01.039
up for ENNGI KONF, but he
didn't mention the videos that came out for

968
01:02:01.079 --> 01:02:06.320
Frameworks of It, which is a
conference that he organizes, which is wonderful

969
01:02:06.639 --> 01:02:08.920
because it brings all of similar to
what this podcast has done. It brings

970
01:02:09.639 --> 01:02:15.519
people from different communities across the JavaScript
world together to talk about similar things,

971
01:02:15.519 --> 01:02:21.079
so componentization, routing and so on. And that the videos are all up

972
01:02:21.119 --> 01:02:24.840
so you can look at the content
for that. It's really good quality stuff

973
01:02:25.320 --> 01:02:30.360
if you get the chance to see
it. And then my other one is

974
01:02:30.719 --> 01:02:35.480
about writing. So I've been trying
to improve the way that I write.

975
01:02:36.039 --> 01:02:39.280
And one of the book that I
really like is called Several Short Sentences about

976
01:02:39.280 --> 01:02:45.159
Writing and you can find it online. Keep forgetting the author's name. But

977
01:02:45.800 --> 01:02:52.000
it's nice because it is written in
short sentences, but it's snippets and food

978
01:02:52.039 --> 01:02:53.440
for thoughts, so you don't have
to read the book cover to cover.

979
01:02:54.320 --> 01:02:59.320
You can just read it in pieces
and it's something to just it's a way

980
01:02:59.360 --> 01:03:02.320
for you to kind of reassess the
way that you're writing. And the whole

981
01:03:02.320 --> 01:03:07.400
point is that we have grammar structures
and sentence structures that were beaten into us

982
01:03:07.440 --> 01:03:13.960
when we were in school of how
to write a specific way, and this

983
01:03:14.000 --> 01:03:16.119
book tries to change that notion of
that to be like, there are different

984
01:03:16.159 --> 01:03:22.440
ways of writing that can make you
more creative and make you more legible or

985
01:03:22.519 --> 01:03:28.440
understandable. So those are my picks. Awesome, I will plus one framework

986
01:03:28.480 --> 01:03:32.239
some that was that was a ton
of fun and yeah, it was fun

987
01:03:32.280 --> 01:03:38.480
to see you on that. It
was good. Yeah. I think the

988
01:03:38.679 --> 01:03:46.280
entire panel for Views on View except
for John Poppa were there or was John

989
01:03:46.280 --> 01:03:50.920
there too? No, I don't
think you was anyhow, John was not

990
01:03:50.960 --> 01:03:53.519
there, but yeah, so we
we all got to hang out. That

991
01:03:53.559 --> 01:03:58.079
was a lot of fun too.
I'm gonna go ahead and throw out a

992
01:03:58.079 --> 01:04:01.159
couple of picks. One is the
week after the webinar, I'm going to

993
01:04:01.199 --> 01:04:05.159
be in Las Vegas for cees,
So if you head over to dev chat,

994
01:04:05.199 --> 01:04:12.000
dot tv slash events, I should
have information up there about where we

995
01:04:12.039 --> 01:04:15.440
can meet up one evening and snacks
some food. I'm still waiting to find

996
01:04:15.440 --> 01:04:18.679
out when all the press events are
because I get access to those, so

997
01:04:19.360 --> 01:04:23.159
it's a little bit up in the
air as we record this. But this

998
01:04:23.199 --> 01:04:26.800
should come out within the next few
days and I should have a better idea,

999
01:04:27.320 --> 01:04:30.360
So I'm going to shout out about
that. And then the other pick

1000
01:04:30.400 --> 01:04:34.960
that I have is modern freaking medicine. I got an infection over Thanksgiving and

1001
01:04:35.480 --> 01:04:39.679
was feeling pretty terrible. I couldn't
figure out exactly what was going on.

1002
01:04:40.800 --> 01:04:44.559
Went down to the doctor's office Sunday
morning because I just couldn't take it anymore.

1003
01:04:45.519 --> 01:04:48.800
They ran a quick test, prescribing
an antibiotic and I was on my

1004
01:04:48.840 --> 01:04:51.320
way. I was out of there
in like a half hour. It just

1005
01:04:53.880 --> 01:04:57.840
went to the pharmacy and things are
starting to get a little bit better.

1006
01:04:58.039 --> 01:05:00.360
So, yeah, modern medicine,
it's amazing, Sean, what are your

1007
01:05:00.360 --> 01:05:05.280
picks? Yeah, So I just
recently left Austin, Texas after being there

1008
01:05:05.320 --> 01:05:11.639
two years, originally from the seven
five seven area code area, So shout

1009
01:05:11.639 --> 01:05:15.840
out to them. That's in the
Hampton Roads kind of uh Virginia Beach area.

1010
01:05:15.360 --> 01:05:18.679
And so one of the things that
I mentioned earlier, I was kind

1011
01:05:18.679 --> 01:05:21.639
of involved in the user groups and
conferences here and it's cool to still see

1012
01:05:21.679 --> 01:05:27.079
him going and Buddy Kevin UH and
a few other great people in this community,

1013
01:05:27.159 --> 01:05:30.639
like Linda Nichols and Eric and a
bunch of awesome other people are still

1014
01:05:30.679 --> 01:05:34.519
running a conference called Revolution Cof.
It looks like it's gonna happen again here

1015
01:05:34.519 --> 01:05:40.719
in June. Their their website is
revolutioncomf dot com. So yeah, I'll

1016
01:05:40.719 --> 01:05:43.119
go ahead and pick that. I'll
just go ahead and give a little,

1017
01:05:43.280 --> 01:05:46.119
a little little shout out to the
local conference. Actually it's a regional conference,

1018
01:05:46.159 --> 01:05:49.079
so it's and it's one of those
you know, it's just for developers

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uniting, so we'll have all kinds
of stuff there. I know they've had

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javiscrip, dot net, you know, database stuff. It's it's been all

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over the board. So it's really
cool to see everybody coming in from a

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Northern Virginia, uh, North Carolina
wherever. Maybe we have people come from

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overseas and speak. So yeah,
Revolution comp check it out. Yeah,

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a guy you know submitted to talk, so you should put in a good

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word for him. I'll get you
into the name later anyway. So Sean,

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if people want to find you online, where do they go? Yeah,

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you can uh check out my podcast
Two Frugal Dudes. It's me and

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Kevin Griffin. It's one that started
out of the community. So me and

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him, after running some user groups, we would go have pie after pie

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and bacon for those who know us, uh, and we just kept talking

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about money, you know, outside
of outside of those meetings, because you

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know, so many of our software
development peers and us at the time,

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we're making good money but didn't really
know what to do with it. So

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eventually we started recording those conversations and
that turned into a podcast, Two Frugal

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Dudes. That's number two Frugal Dudes
dot com. You can check us out

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there or on any you know podcast
player, uh, and otherwise you can

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find me on Twitter at Sean maren
s e A N M E R R

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O N. All right, can
we get that link one more time?

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It was mastermind hunt dot com slash
dev chat. That's right, that's it.

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So yeah, I'm gonna be on
the webinar, so you know,

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I'll make fun of Sean and Eric
while they're staying smart stuff. It'll all

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be good, that's right. All
right, Well, let's go ahead and

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wrap this one up. Thanks to
our palace for coming, and we will

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be back at you next week.