WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.200 --> 00:00:03.680 If you'd like to talk about your own big Foot encounter, or if you're 2 00:00:03.680 --> 00:00:07.360 looking for help from a big Foot investigator in your area, email me at 3 00:00:07.360 --> 00:00:46.399 Bigfoot Crossroads at gmail dot com. This is Bigfoot Crossroads. My name's Matt, 4 00:00:46.679 --> 00:00:50.679 and this is the sixtieth episode. I want to say thank you to 5 00:00:50.759 --> 00:00:55.280 everyone who has supported the podcast so far. Hello to any new listeners out 6 00:00:55.320 --> 00:00:58.640 there. If you happen to be listening on a platform where you can leave 7 00:00:58.640 --> 00:01:02.920 a rating or a comment, please do so it really helps out. I 8 00:01:02.960 --> 00:01:07.319 want to tell everybody that we're going to be expanding the show into other areas, 9 00:01:07.319 --> 00:01:14.000 not just Bigfoot, but other cryptids, paranormal UFOs, aliens, whatever. 10 00:01:14.920 --> 00:01:18.599 I'm still going to focus on witnesses and their encounters, but I want 11 00:01:18.599 --> 00:01:22.599 to branch out into other areas of my interest. I've always been interested in 12 00:01:23.159 --> 00:01:26.719 all sorts of unexplained phenomenon, so I really want to start getting into that 13 00:01:26.760 --> 00:01:30.079 more. I've done so a little bit in the past, as you know, 14 00:01:30.719 --> 00:01:34.359 and we're going to delve into another area on this very episode. But 15 00:01:34.519 --> 00:01:40.560 first I want to let everybody know that there's a brand new Facebook group for 16 00:01:40.640 --> 00:01:45.519 Bigfoot Crossroads. If you want to talk with other listeners speak with me, 17 00:01:46.400 --> 00:01:51.799 or if you just can't get enough of that bigfoot and unexplained goodness, check 18 00:01:51.799 --> 00:01:57.719 it out at facebook dot com slash groups slash Bigfoot Crossroads. Also be sure 19 00:01:57.760 --> 00:02:02.840 to follow me on Instagram at Bigfoot Crossroads and Twitter at bf Crossroads. The 20 00:02:02.920 --> 00:02:07.840 guest on this episode, in my opinion, needs no introduction. If you're 21 00:02:07.879 --> 00:02:14.319 listening to this, you've probably listened to his show too. He is single 22 00:02:14.360 --> 00:02:20.560 handedly responsible for putting dog Man on the map. In my opinion, I 23 00:02:20.599 --> 00:02:27.400 would like to welcome the one and only Vic Kunduff to the show. Vic 24 00:02:28.479 --> 00:02:34.759 Man, Welcome to Bigfoot Crossroads. Sir. When you said I'd like to 25 00:02:34.759 --> 00:02:38.400 welcome the one and only I started getting excited. I wasn't sure you're going 26 00:02:38.439 --> 00:02:43.280 to be inviting on. Who is it? Yeah? Then he said it 27 00:02:43.439 --> 00:02:46.680 was me, not that all. Come on now, Yeah, that can't 28 00:02:46.719 --> 00:02:49.759 be. The Key's not for me at least. But thanks for the hospitality. 29 00:02:49.840 --> 00:02:53.639 I appreciate it. Yeah. Long time coming, man. Oh geez, 30 00:02:53.879 --> 00:02:58.080 I've wanted to have you on for so long. I'm so happy it's 31 00:02:58.159 --> 00:03:02.120 actually happening. Well, thanks for the invite. We go back, man, 32 00:03:02.479 --> 00:03:06.759 we go way back. You know. We do be carefully. You're 33 00:03:06.759 --> 00:03:12.479 gonna make me feel old. Yeah, no older than me. Can't fire 34 00:03:12.599 --> 00:03:15.960 shadows? Do people know a lot about that? Is that where you got 35 00:03:16.000 --> 00:03:21.680 your podcasting start? Some people do know about that. I can't fire shadow 36 00:03:21.759 --> 00:03:23.639 days, but I don't think too many. And by the way, everyone 37 00:03:23.719 --> 00:03:28.439 listening, I apologize in advance from my voice. It's all messed up. 38 00:03:29.199 --> 00:03:31.120 I'm doing the best I can. I don't know what's behind that, what's 39 00:03:31.159 --> 00:03:35.319 wrong with me, but I'm fighting my way through it. But anyway, 40 00:03:35.879 --> 00:03:38.000 yeah, I can't fire shadows. That's how I got my start. I'm 41 00:03:38.039 --> 00:03:45.039 not sure if you remember how I fell into that, but in case you 42 00:03:45.080 --> 00:03:47.240 didn't, and I'm sure a lot of the listeners don't know. Back in 43 00:03:47.520 --> 00:03:54.879 two thousand and seven or so, Bear was hosting Can't Fire Shadows with Shane 44 00:03:54.960 --> 00:04:00.560 McMahon. Well back then, when Bear decided to leave the show, they 45 00:04:00.560 --> 00:04:04.120 were looking for someone to replace him. While I was a regular every single 46 00:04:04.159 --> 00:04:08.680 week, I would tune in and be right there in the chat room listening 47 00:04:08.719 --> 00:04:12.360 to the newest show as it was being aired. And all of a sudden, 48 00:04:12.360 --> 00:04:15.560 as they were talking in the chat about who they thought would be the 49 00:04:15.560 --> 00:04:18.959 best replacement, next thing. I know, Beer types up. I think 50 00:04:19.040 --> 00:04:25.120 Vic Condiff would be a good replacement. I'm thinking, what I thought, 51 00:04:25.160 --> 00:04:29.720 you gotta be crazy, So yeah, I was asking him why in the 52 00:04:29.759 --> 00:04:32.000 world he thought that would be the case, and he was spelling out why 53 00:04:32.000 --> 00:04:34.519 he thought I would. I thought he was full of it. I thought, 54 00:04:34.600 --> 00:04:38.360 yeah, I'm just not cut out for that. So yeah, I 55 00:04:38.439 --> 00:04:41.000 just listened to and make his case, and I thought, you know what, 56 00:04:41.199 --> 00:04:44.000 well, I guess it would be a lot of fun to try it. 57 00:04:44.120 --> 00:04:49.199 So yeah, they put me in in place and we had everything set 58 00:04:49.279 --> 00:04:53.680 up. Then we aired that first show and I thought, Okay, I 59 00:04:53.680 --> 00:04:57.519 can do this, So yeah, I co hosted that show with she and 60 00:04:57.560 --> 00:05:01.040 McMahon and I did that from what two thousand and seven and two thousand and 61 00:05:01.079 --> 00:05:05.160 eight, and then that's all I got. Must start. Wow for those 62 00:05:05.639 --> 00:05:11.839 new listeners out there or people who aren't familiar, Bear was a good friend 63 00:05:11.839 --> 00:05:15.839 of mine and a former co host on a previous podcast I had called Bigfoot 64 00:05:15.839 --> 00:05:23.680 Outlaw Radio. Then years later you started a little podcast called dog Man Encounters 65 00:05:23.800 --> 00:05:28.800 Radio. It's kind of turned into something over the years. You know, 66 00:05:29.160 --> 00:05:33.079 dog Man wasn't something that was hardly spoken about back then you'd run across a 67 00:05:33.079 --> 00:05:38.600 few stories here and there, and now it seems to be everywhere. There's 68 00:05:38.800 --> 00:05:45.560 numerous dog man podcasts. It's included hand in hand with bigfoot stuff all the 69 00:05:45.639 --> 00:05:50.800 time, and I personally think that you are at least the pioneer of that, 70 00:05:51.720 --> 00:05:59.560 if not single handedly responsible for getting that whole thing started. Why did 71 00:05:59.600 --> 00:06:02.800 you start art dog Man Encounters Radio? What got you into that exactly? 72 00:06:04.360 --> 00:06:10.800 Well, that goes right back to Bear and Coombo days back in I think 73 00:06:10.800 --> 00:06:15.560 two thousand and eight, when Bear and Coombo had come back from some outing, 74 00:06:16.120 --> 00:06:20.759 and on that outing, I can't remember the particulars, but someone saw 75 00:06:21.279 --> 00:06:25.600 a dog faced booger. That's how they called it. That's how they put 76 00:06:25.639 --> 00:06:30.480 it. And as I'm listening to them talk about this dog faced booger that 77 00:06:30.600 --> 00:06:33.399 someone saw, I knew what a booger was, obviously a sasquatch, But 78 00:06:33.759 --> 00:06:36.560 a dog faced booger, What in the world are you talking about? So 79 00:06:36.839 --> 00:06:42.480 I can't remember if I asked Beer or Coombo for clarity. Well, then 80 00:06:42.480 --> 00:06:45.240 I found out that what they were talking about was called a dog man. 81 00:06:45.839 --> 00:06:48.959 So I put some research into it and found out some things about dog men, 82 00:06:49.040 --> 00:06:54.160 and I thought Wow, if you have a sasquatch sighting and need to 83 00:06:54.199 --> 00:06:57.639 talk with someone to get help, you can almost go to your corner grocery 84 00:06:57.680 --> 00:07:00.560 store and get help. But if you see a dog me and one of 85 00:07:00.560 --> 00:07:03.480 these dog men, who do you go to to talk with and try to 86 00:07:03.519 --> 00:07:06.319 get help? So I thought, you know, there's a real need here. 87 00:07:06.360 --> 00:07:11.079 Well, years down the road after that, I started actually talking with 88 00:07:11.120 --> 00:07:14.560 eyewitnesses. In two thousand and seven, I did, I'm sorry. In 89 00:07:14.600 --> 00:07:18.240 two thousand and eight, I did speak with my first Dogman eyewitness, But 90 00:07:18.759 --> 00:07:23.519 yeah, down the road after that, I put the pieces in plays to 91 00:07:24.079 --> 00:07:29.079 create dog Men encounters. So, yeah, I started talking with Dogman eyewitnesses 92 00:07:29.120 --> 00:07:32.639 about a year before I heared the first episode. Heared that first episode of 93 00:07:32.680 --> 00:07:38.839 the show on August fifteenth. Now, I'm sorry, August twenty second of 94 00:07:38.920 --> 00:07:46.000 twenty fifteen, and yeah, four hundred and fifty three episodes later, not 95 00:07:46.079 --> 00:07:50.319 really showing any signs of stopping. I still going strong. That's right, 96 00:07:50.480 --> 00:07:55.800 still going strong. So many people have this idea that what you see or 97 00:07:55.800 --> 00:07:58.160 what you hear I should see is what you get. Okay, Well, 98 00:07:58.279 --> 00:08:01.920 Vick has spoken with one hundred and fifty two eyewitnesses because there are four hundred 99 00:08:01.959 --> 00:08:05.959 and fifty two episodes. But yeah, that couldn't be further from the truth. 100 00:08:05.000 --> 00:08:09.519 I mean, there's so many people behind the scenes who contact me about 101 00:08:09.519 --> 00:08:13.759 their encounters wanting help that I mean more than you could shake a stick at 102 00:08:13.879 --> 00:08:20.920 the numbers in the thousands now. So yeah, it's just been something else. 103 00:08:20.959 --> 00:08:28.560 Well, maybe with your show and other shows like it getting this phenomenon 104 00:08:28.639 --> 00:08:35.240 out there. Maybe, I know, it definitely is gaining traction and is 105 00:08:35.480 --> 00:08:39.559 leaps and bounds ahead of where it used to be. Still, it's not 106 00:08:39.639 --> 00:08:45.440 in the public eye like Bigfoot is, but maybe that will start to happen 107 00:08:45.480 --> 00:08:48.480 more and more. I know there's people, you know, documenting the sighting 108 00:08:48.519 --> 00:08:54.159 reports and like mapping them out and everything else. Do you think that there's 109 00:08:54.200 --> 00:09:00.360 as many dogman witnesses as Bigfoot witnesses? No, I don't think there are 110 00:09:00.399 --> 00:09:05.080 as many dogment eyewitnesses out there, But there are more dogment eyewitnesses by far 111 00:09:05.720 --> 00:09:09.240 out there than you're ever gonna know. I talk with eye witnesses all the 112 00:09:09.279 --> 00:09:15.080 time who are so distraught about their encounters and they feel isolated, that whole 113 00:09:15.120 --> 00:09:18.080 prison without walls effect, and I tell them, look, you probably know 114 00:09:18.159 --> 00:09:22.480 people who've had encounters with these things. They just haven't told you. They 115 00:09:22.519 --> 00:09:26.639 haven't told you because they've got this fear of ridicule and they don't want to 116 00:09:26.679 --> 00:09:31.080 be judged and whatnot. Well, yeah, you're far from being alone. 117 00:09:31.559 --> 00:09:33.480 I mean, there are more people, like I said, than you can 118 00:09:33.519 --> 00:09:37.879 shake a stick out who've had encounters with these guys. Doctors, lawyers, 119 00:09:37.080 --> 00:09:43.440 same thing with sasquatch eyewitnesses, people from every walk of life. So yeah, 120 00:09:43.480 --> 00:09:46.080 I mean a lot of people have seen these guys. But to answer 121 00:09:46.080 --> 00:09:48.240 your question, no, I don't think. I don't think that as many 122 00:09:48.879 --> 00:09:52.600 dogmen eyewitnesses are out there as there are for sasquatch. I don't think there 123 00:09:52.600 --> 00:09:58.240 as many dogmen by a long shot. As far as comparing their numbers to 124 00:09:58.679 --> 00:10:05.960 sasquatch, have you noticed specific similarities between the two types of witnesses or any 125 00:10:05.000 --> 00:10:11.519 differences between the two types of witnesses. Oh yeah, Yeah, there's so 126 00:10:11.639 --> 00:10:16.159 much more trauma when it comes to dog me and eyewitnesses. I mean, 127 00:10:16.240 --> 00:10:20.559 I talk with over the years, I've spoken with plenty of Sasquatch eyewitnesses who 128 00:10:22.200 --> 00:10:26.360 they'll have a fairly frightening encounter with a Sasquatch and they're heading back into the 129 00:10:26.399 --> 00:10:30.639 woods. They have one encounter with the dog men, then they're through. 130 00:10:30.759 --> 00:10:33.600 They're not heading back in. They don't even look at the forest. That's 131 00:10:33.639 --> 00:10:37.559 it. No conversation. No, the trauma that you see from a dogman 132 00:10:37.600 --> 00:10:45.120 eyewitness compared to most sasquatch eyewitnesses, it doesn't even compare. And understandably, 133 00:10:45.200 --> 00:10:48.919 so when you're talking about something that looks like a werewolf, a werewolf on 134 00:10:50.039 --> 00:10:54.679 steroids that can be as tall as twelve feet I mean, a huge ten 135 00:10:54.840 --> 00:11:00.799 eleven twelve foot sasquatch, that can be frightening because you're just not expecting to 136 00:11:00.840 --> 00:11:05.000 see anything like that. But when you see something that's got that physical appearance 137 00:11:05.399 --> 00:11:09.039 of a giant werewolf, or even though six foot seven foot tall dog me 138 00:11:09.080 --> 00:11:15.399 in, well, your mind says we're wolf. So yeah, the trauma 139 00:11:15.480 --> 00:11:18.879 is naturally going to be that much higher than if you see a sasquatch in 140 00:11:18.960 --> 00:11:26.240 most cases. So how did you get started with an interest in these subjects 141 00:11:26.440 --> 00:11:30.039 to begin with? I mean, how did you end up in that chat 142 00:11:30.120 --> 00:11:35.879 room of camp fire shadows? Oh, that's easy. I've always been really 143 00:11:35.879 --> 00:11:39.879 interested in things that go bump in the night, always loved watching monster movies, 144 00:11:41.080 --> 00:11:46.919 and I've always been inter frightening things. And yeah, once the Internet 145 00:11:46.960 --> 00:11:52.360 came around and I started diving deeper and deeper into the Internet and what it 146 00:11:52.440 --> 00:11:56.879 had to offer, I eventually found out that there were things out there such 147 00:11:56.919 --> 00:12:01.799 as podcasts on set Asquatch and other things like that. Well, when I 148 00:12:01.840 --> 00:12:07.480 found that out, I thought, Wow, I've arrived. So yeah, 149 00:12:07.519 --> 00:12:11.600 it wasn't too long after that that I found out about about this Bigfoot show. 150 00:12:11.679 --> 00:12:16.759 That Bigfoot show with An. I eventually found out about camp Fire Shadows, 151 00:12:16.440 --> 00:12:20.399 and I just liked that hole. It just had this really comfortable feel 152 00:12:20.440 --> 00:12:26.679 to it. I love listening to to Beer and Kombo and Dan and Vicky 153 00:12:26.919 --> 00:12:31.360 and you and listening to all the talk about the outings you guys would go 154 00:12:31.399 --> 00:12:35.840 on listening to the shows where you did live outings, especially that one episode 155 00:12:35.879 --> 00:12:41.000 when Shean saw that Sasquatch on air. Yeah, we had a lot of 156 00:12:41.039 --> 00:12:45.080 conversations about that, just between the two of us. But no, it's 157 00:12:45.159 --> 00:12:48.919 just I felt like a kid in the candy store, So I feel like 158 00:12:48.960 --> 00:12:54.480 I was just destined to fall into it. Did you have any you know, 159 00:12:54.600 --> 00:12:58.919 paranormal experiences or cryptic experiences growing up and on into adulthood. Prior to 160 00:13:01.120 --> 00:13:05.000 well, I have had an experience that I would swear was a sasquatch encounter. 161 00:13:05.120 --> 00:13:07.679 Right, can't make the claim that I saw it, but when you 162 00:13:07.720 --> 00:13:11.879 put all the pieces together, I can't see how it could have been anything 163 00:13:11.919 --> 00:13:18.279 but a big sasquatch literally just feet behind me. The story behind that is 164 00:13:18.840 --> 00:13:24.200 this was over forty years ago. I went with a neighbor deer hunting. 165 00:13:24.440 --> 00:13:30.000 I'd never been hunting deer hunting before, and he was an avid outdoorsman. 166 00:13:30.039 --> 00:13:33.200 This guy had done everything, been everywhere as far as being an outdoorsman went. 167 00:13:33.679 --> 00:13:37.639 And he told me, he said, look, if you get your 168 00:13:37.240 --> 00:13:41.399 hunting license, I'll take you down to my farm, which was literally out 169 00:13:41.399 --> 00:13:46.200 in the middle of nowhere in the hills and hollers. He said, I'll 170 00:13:46.200 --> 00:13:50.120 take you down to my farm so we can head out opening day. And 171 00:13:50.759 --> 00:13:54.000 he'd said, I'll take you to a good spot and i'll leave you there 172 00:13:54.039 --> 00:13:58.039 and we'll see if you can't bag a deer. Well, it's kind of 173 00:13:58.039 --> 00:14:01.519 stupid. I've always been such an animal now that if I would have actually 174 00:14:01.559 --> 00:14:05.240 shot the deer that day, I would have been just beside myself. But 175 00:14:05.360 --> 00:14:09.600 Anyway, I took him up on it because I've always liked adventure. Well, 176 00:14:09.919 --> 00:14:16.519 the day before deer season came, so yeah, like he promised, 177 00:14:16.720 --> 00:14:20.360 he drove us down to his farm. We just got settled in or whatever, 178 00:14:20.440 --> 00:14:24.399 and before you knew it was bedtime. We went to bed, and 179 00:14:24.840 --> 00:14:26.360 I went up to the attic where my bedroom was going to be. I 180 00:14:26.399 --> 00:14:31.039 went to bed, and we got up like an hour or so before dawn, 181 00:14:31.879 --> 00:14:37.320 and then I went downstairs and he already had breakfast ready, and we 182 00:14:37.440 --> 00:14:41.080 had breakfast, and then we got ready and we headed out the door. 183 00:14:41.120 --> 00:14:43.399 And like I said before, this guy, he literally his farm was in 184 00:14:43.440 --> 00:14:48.159 the middle of absolute nowhere. I mean, hills and hollers doesn't do it 185 00:14:48.200 --> 00:14:52.639 any justice. So anyway, yeah, he told me, he said, 186 00:14:52.679 --> 00:15:00.200 I'm gonna walk you about maybe fifteen minutes twenty minutes to the south. I'm 187 00:15:00.200 --> 00:15:03.519 going to stake you out in this holler, and once you're settled, I'm 188 00:15:03.519 --> 00:15:07.200 going to move on and I'm going to set up a couple of hollers away 189 00:15:07.200 --> 00:15:11.559 from you. And then he said, I'll be back to come pick you 190 00:15:11.679 --> 00:15:16.279 up around four o'clock, maybe four thirty, and then we'll head back into 191 00:15:16.320 --> 00:15:20.600 the house, so I said, okay, sounds good. So he left 192 00:15:20.639 --> 00:15:24.679 me there and I got settled in, and before too long, the sun 193 00:15:24.720 --> 00:15:28.279 came up and I'm looking around. This holler I was sitting on was a 194 00:15:28.360 --> 00:15:33.159 huge holler. It was steep sided. You could walk on those slopes, 195 00:15:33.240 --> 00:15:39.279 but you had to pay attention, and there were tons of leaves on the 196 00:15:39.440 --> 00:15:45.480 slopes because it was pretty heavily forested there. Well, I sat there until 197 00:15:45.559 --> 00:15:48.480 afternoon, and I didn't see a single thing. The only thing I really 198 00:15:48.480 --> 00:15:52.200 saw were maybe a couple of squirrels, and that was it. It was 199 00:15:52.279 --> 00:15:58.159 just dead. And then I guess I'm getting ahead of myself. The day 200 00:15:58.159 --> 00:16:00.879 that we got there to his farm, he warned me. He knew how 201 00:16:00.960 --> 00:16:03.200 much I loved horses. He said, Okay, this horse over here, 202 00:16:03.240 --> 00:16:07.919 I forgot that horse's name. That horse is fine, but this one over 203 00:16:07.000 --> 00:16:11.480 there, his name is Red. Be sure to stay away from Red because 204 00:16:11.480 --> 00:16:14.960 he'll hurt you. He'll kill you. So that stuck in my mind. 205 00:16:15.080 --> 00:16:18.120 Okay, fast forward. I'm sitting up against this huge oak tree on the 206 00:16:18.240 --> 00:16:22.320 side of this huge holler, and it's just a little bit after noon, 207 00:16:23.200 --> 00:16:30.080 and all of a sudden, from what sounded to be like maybe twenty fifteen 208 00:16:30.159 --> 00:16:36.799 twenty feet behind me. I hear this horsewhimmy, this loud horsewhimmy. And 209 00:16:36.879 --> 00:16:38.559 when I heard that, I froze. I thought, oh my gosh, 210 00:16:38.600 --> 00:16:42.440 I thought, what in the world. And then my mind went to red. 211 00:16:42.519 --> 00:16:45.240 I thought, oh my god, is that red? And then I'm 212 00:16:45.279 --> 00:16:48.080 thinking, no, it can't be red, because of how far we walked 213 00:16:48.080 --> 00:16:52.559 away from his house and everything. And then also too, when you consider 214 00:16:52.639 --> 00:16:56.519 the fact that slope was so steep, I would have heard a horse coming 215 00:16:56.559 --> 00:17:00.639 from a mile away. A horse probably couldn't have navigated that slope. And 216 00:17:00.679 --> 00:17:03.480 then also all the leaf litter, I would have heard them coming from a 217 00:17:03.519 --> 00:17:07.839 mile away as well. So the next thing I know is I'm sitting there 218 00:17:07.839 --> 00:17:11.000 trying to figure this out. I hear this loud. You know, horses, 219 00:17:11.000 --> 00:17:15.920 when they're trying to clear their nostrils, they'll exhale forcefully and make that 220 00:17:17.079 --> 00:17:22.240 concussive sound because the size of their lungs. There's no way as a human 221 00:17:22.359 --> 00:17:26.319 you can make that sound. But there's like a concussive like a shock. 222 00:17:26.759 --> 00:17:32.200 Because horses obviously can't breathe through their mouths. They only can breathe through their 223 00:17:32.240 --> 00:17:36.480 nostrils, so it's important that they keep their nasal passages clean. That's why 224 00:17:36.480 --> 00:17:41.119 they do that. Well, there was that huge concussive exhalation, and I'm 225 00:17:41.119 --> 00:17:44.680 thinking, oh my god, what was that. That has to be a 226 00:17:44.720 --> 00:17:51.000 horse moving that much air volume. Well, I slowly leaned over to look 227 00:17:51.039 --> 00:17:55.279 around the tree trunk to see if I could see red, because it must 228 00:17:55.279 --> 00:17:59.440 have been read after hearing that exhalation in the winny. Didn't see anything. 229 00:18:00.000 --> 00:18:03.599 Okay, I guess I'll look around the other way. So I leaned over 230 00:18:03.640 --> 00:18:08.240 the other way and look back there there was nothing. Didn't see a thing. 231 00:18:08.680 --> 00:18:14.039 And I'd swear that sound had to be fifteen twenty feet at the most 232 00:18:14.440 --> 00:18:17.559 behind that tree that I was leaning up against, that big oak tree. 233 00:18:17.640 --> 00:18:22.200 So I can't I can't think of what else it could have been besides a 234 00:18:22.279 --> 00:18:26.200 big sasquatch that did that. Again, if you could have heard that concussive 235 00:18:26.000 --> 00:18:32.480 exhalation, the volume of that exhalation, there's no way a human could have 236 00:18:32.480 --> 00:18:37.240 approached doing that. It just it had to have been either a horse that 237 00:18:37.400 --> 00:18:41.039 magically could disappear or a sasquatch. So yeah, I'm convinced to this day 238 00:18:41.119 --> 00:18:47.480 that it had to have been a sasquatch encounter. You know that happens a 239 00:18:47.519 --> 00:18:53.440 lot with witnesses, where a lot of encounters with these type things. You 240 00:18:53.559 --> 00:19:02.079 just have to be there and experience it yourself to really convey the situation and 241 00:19:02.400 --> 00:19:08.599 understand because to someone just listening a skeptic, they would say like, oh, 242 00:19:08.680 --> 00:19:11.880 well, you must have been mistaken. It was clearly a horse. 243 00:19:12.119 --> 00:19:17.200 You know, you don't know what you're saying, But whenever you're in situations 244 00:19:17.240 --> 00:19:22.599 like that, it's almost something instinctual inside of us that tells us that's not 245 00:19:22.759 --> 00:19:27.319 right, that that's not a horse, or you know, a dog off 246 00:19:27.319 --> 00:19:33.400 in the distance howling the horse whinny aspect of it is really interesting because you 247 00:19:33.440 --> 00:19:38.440 know, it is a common belief in the bigfoot world that bigfoot do mimic 248 00:19:38.440 --> 00:19:45.240 other animals to kind of mask their presence. Do dogman do the same sort 249 00:19:45.279 --> 00:19:51.400 of thing. I've heard occasions where people have reported hearing what sounded to be 250 00:19:51.480 --> 00:19:56.000 a baby crying. They didn't see the dog men make that vocalization. So 251 00:19:56.160 --> 00:20:00.599 we're never going to know for sure that that's what it was, but there's 252 00:20:00.640 --> 00:20:07.000 evidence out there that points towards dog man possibly making sounds that might be misconstrued 253 00:20:07.039 --> 00:20:12.319 as being a baby crying. But again, we don't know for sure because 254 00:20:12.640 --> 00:20:17.160 I've never spoken with anyone who actually saw a dog man do that, So 255 00:20:17.640 --> 00:20:22.559 I don't know. At the time of your incident, did you mention it 256 00:20:22.599 --> 00:20:26.839 to the property owner or anybody. No, I kept that to myself. 257 00:20:26.920 --> 00:20:33.599 I didn't say that because you'd have to know him. I can't tell you 258 00:20:33.640 --> 00:20:38.640 this. People. I've heard people make convincing horse whinnies, and because of 259 00:20:38.680 --> 00:20:44.799 the pitch, because of the what else, it sounded very convincing. But 260 00:20:44.920 --> 00:20:49.480 the volume wasn't there. When you hear when you're coming back towards the herd 261 00:20:49.559 --> 00:20:56.799 after a long ride and you're on the herd boss and you get within sight 262 00:20:56.880 --> 00:21:03.039 of the herd and he let loose a whinny, you're not going to replicate 263 00:21:03.119 --> 00:21:06.880 that as a human. You just don't have the volume. And that's the 264 00:21:06.960 --> 00:21:10.960 kind of winnie that I heard. It was a forceful whinny. It wasn't 265 00:21:11.000 --> 00:21:15.000 an afterthought. It was loud, it was powerful. And then after that 266 00:21:15.160 --> 00:21:19.759 I heard that concussive whatever the exhalation sound or whatever you want to call it. 267 00:21:21.160 --> 00:21:25.400 But yeah, if it was a horse, that horse had to make 268 00:21:25.440 --> 00:21:26.880 it all the way up to the top of that hollow. This was a 269 00:21:26.920 --> 00:21:33.680 big hollow. It was probably over one hundred feet from behind that tree, 270 00:21:34.039 --> 00:21:38.160 like fifteen to twenty feet behind that tree. To get to the top of 271 00:21:38.200 --> 00:21:42.119 the hollow and out of my sight where I could have seen when I looked 272 00:21:42.119 --> 00:21:45.160 around to the right, and then I looked around to the left, this 273 00:21:45.240 --> 00:21:49.960 horse, this ninja horse, would have had to walk or run through about 274 00:21:51.000 --> 00:21:55.440 a foot of tree trash, you know, leaves and all that stuff leaves 275 00:21:56.000 --> 00:21:59.839 without me hearing it to get out of sight. I would have seen it 276 00:21:59.839 --> 00:22:02.119 to the left, I would have seen it to the right when I looked 277 00:22:02.119 --> 00:22:06.599 either way. You explained it to me. I just don't see what it 278 00:22:06.599 --> 00:22:10.119 could have been besides the Sasquatch. I mean, it doesn't sound like an 279 00:22:10.200 --> 00:22:15.720 environment at all that a horse would wander into on its own without being forced 280 00:22:15.759 --> 00:22:18.319 there for some reason. Like you said, you would have seen it, 281 00:22:18.319 --> 00:22:21.759 you would have heard it, so I would agree. I would agree that 282 00:22:21.799 --> 00:22:26.720 you had a sasquatch encounter for sure, and you might be pretty fortunate to 283 00:22:26.759 --> 00:22:30.759 be able to tell that story to this day. Being out by yourself like 284 00:22:30.839 --> 00:22:36.480 that. Who knows what could have happen. You're right, You're right. 285 00:22:37.079 --> 00:22:41.759 I'm embarrassed to say that it was literally years after the fact, years after 286 00:22:41.839 --> 00:22:48.480 I came to the realization there that that was what I most likely was dealing 287 00:22:48.480 --> 00:22:51.079 with. I don't see how it couldn't have been one. It was years 288 00:22:51.160 --> 00:22:53.559 after coming to that realization though, that I thought, you know, I 289 00:22:53.559 --> 00:22:57.279 don't wonder how long that sasquatch was there watching me. I didn't even think 290 00:22:57.279 --> 00:23:02.039 about that. It might have been there for hours watching me without me knowing 291 00:23:02.079 --> 00:23:11.240 it. Yeah, the reflection is always frightening whenever you start really dissecting events 292 00:23:11.279 --> 00:23:17.599 like that and realizing what might have happened, what was possibly going on, 293 00:23:18.039 --> 00:23:19.880 And like you said, how long it was sitting there watching you? Was 294 00:23:19.960 --> 00:23:25.839 there only one? Were you surrounded? What was on their mind at the 295 00:23:25.880 --> 00:23:27.559 time? Why did it come up that close to you? What was its 296 00:23:27.599 --> 00:23:34.960 intentions? I always reflect back on those type of things for my own experiences 297 00:23:36.000 --> 00:23:41.480 and the experiences I hear from others as well. Oh, definitely, I'll 298 00:23:41.519 --> 00:23:45.160 tell you what whatever it had to have been a sasquatch. Like I said, 299 00:23:45.240 --> 00:23:48.799 I didn't see it. I can't make that clean, but to make 300 00:23:48.839 --> 00:23:52.799 the sounds that I heard. It had to have been over had to have 301 00:23:52.839 --> 00:23:59.440 been over eight hundred pounds to make that those sounds to have that kind of 302 00:23:59.519 --> 00:24:03.680 volume, it had to have been over eight hundred pounds guaranteed, had to 303 00:24:03.720 --> 00:24:07.920 have been But I don't know. I didn't see what it was, so 304 00:24:08.759 --> 00:24:12.839 I be guess I can't see definitively. You've, as you stated, and 305 00:24:12.960 --> 00:24:18.599 talked to a lot of witnesses over the years. Is there a story that 306 00:24:18.680 --> 00:24:22.519 a witness has told you that has affected you or kind of stood out more 307 00:24:22.519 --> 00:24:27.319 than others. Well, there have been plenty of stories, plenty of encounters 308 00:24:27.319 --> 00:24:33.319 that stood out and I think, wow, that poor lady that poured me 309 00:24:33.400 --> 00:24:37.680 in. I mean, I've spoken with people, some really tough embres who 310 00:24:38.279 --> 00:24:45.240 they were just rattled to the core from their encounters. One guy, he's 311 00:24:45.279 --> 00:24:48.920 a big guy too. He used to fistfight on the weekends for money, 312 00:24:49.079 --> 00:24:52.960 and not because he wasn't good at it either. This was a big, 313 00:24:52.000 --> 00:24:56.440 tough guy and after having his encounter, I mean, he was just beside 314 00:24:56.559 --> 00:25:03.000 himself. But yeah, the most frightening encounters, the most frightening dog me 315 00:25:03.039 --> 00:25:06.440 and encounters you're never going to hear in the show because well, for a 316 00:25:06.480 --> 00:25:11.559 couple of reasons, maybe several of reasons. Some of these people an understandably 317 00:25:11.720 --> 00:25:15.599 so they're too rattled to be able to share the experience more than once. 318 00:25:15.160 --> 00:25:22.079 They're finding their way getting that experience out to me, all the details shared 319 00:25:22.119 --> 00:25:26.880 with me, and then that's all they can do. Other people they've got 320 00:25:26.920 --> 00:25:30.680 their reasons for not wanting to come on, and there's never any pressure to 321 00:25:30.680 --> 00:25:34.960 come on this show and share an experience. But yeah, there have been 322 00:25:36.000 --> 00:25:40.880 some that have been shared with me in private that Hollywood, they wouldn't even 323 00:25:40.920 --> 00:25:45.119 know what to do with them. So one in particular, if you're looking 324 00:25:45.119 --> 00:25:48.359 for me to share one, there is this poor woman in Oregon who if 325 00:25:48.400 --> 00:25:52.559 I remember right, this was years ago, I think like seven years ago 326 00:25:52.599 --> 00:25:56.319 that she shared this with me. I think she was a security guard or 327 00:25:57.079 --> 00:26:03.599 she just worked over one night at this wood mill, a lumber mill, 328 00:26:04.640 --> 00:26:10.079 and this lumber mill, if I remember right, it budded right up against 329 00:26:10.119 --> 00:26:15.880 this huge forest there in Oregon. Well, she wound up having an encounter 330 00:26:17.359 --> 00:26:21.519 with a dog man while she was smoking a cigarette outside on break. I 331 00:26:21.559 --> 00:26:25.480 don't remember the particulars well enough to really share this encounter. I can just 332 00:26:25.720 --> 00:26:30.839 share the highlights. But she was out back, out back of this huge 333 00:26:30.119 --> 00:26:34.240 building and having a cigarette break, and all of a sudden, this dogged 334 00:26:34.240 --> 00:26:38.759 me. I made its presence known. Well. The door that she ran 335 00:26:40.039 --> 00:26:42.880 in, she didn't have the means to shut it or lock it. All 336 00:26:42.880 --> 00:26:45.599 that she could do was just run into the building and try to hide. 337 00:26:47.680 --> 00:26:53.640 Well, to try to hide, she went up this big steer set of 338 00:26:53.680 --> 00:27:00.720 steers up into this catwalk system, way up in the ceiling of this lumbermill. 339 00:27:00.440 --> 00:27:04.599 And she was hiding somewhere up in the catwalk, and before too long, 340 00:27:06.000 --> 00:27:10.680 she hears these footsteps, bipetal footsteps up there in the catwalk with her. 341 00:27:11.160 --> 00:27:14.799 So it was just literally like something out of the worst corror movie possible. 342 00:27:15.359 --> 00:27:19.759 Well, she's just beside herself trying to decide do I stay put and 343 00:27:19.839 --> 00:27:25.200 take my chances at he might find me, might not find me, or 344 00:27:25.240 --> 00:27:29.559 should I just run go down to the floor hide in the offices. Well, 345 00:27:29.759 --> 00:27:33.839 after I got so close, she decided to bolt, and she went 346 00:27:33.880 --> 00:27:37.920 to the nearest stairs and went down the stairway, went into the offices and 347 00:27:38.160 --> 00:27:45.319 locked herself in the break room. Well, unfortunately, the break room had 348 00:27:45.319 --> 00:27:49.680 this big window that looked out onto the hallway in this building. Well, 349 00:27:49.720 --> 00:27:55.160 she's hiding underneath this table when all of a sudden she hears this was sounded 350 00:27:55.240 --> 00:28:00.680 like a nail tink tink tink tapping on the window, and she thought, 351 00:28:00.680 --> 00:28:03.799 oh my god, is that what I think it is? So she looks 352 00:28:03.880 --> 00:28:07.039 up over the table, just peaks and here are two dog men, a 353 00:28:07.119 --> 00:28:11.720 big one and a smaller one, looking through the window, kind of bearing 354 00:28:11.759 --> 00:28:15.920 their teeth at her. She wasn't sure if they were smiling or snarling or 355 00:28:15.960 --> 00:28:18.920 what, but regardless, they were bearing their teeth. Well, she's thinking, 356 00:28:18.960 --> 00:28:22.599 I'm trapped. That's the only door out of this break room. Are 357 00:28:22.640 --> 00:28:27.000 they going to break through the window, break through the door, come through 358 00:28:27.039 --> 00:28:30.039 the wall, because they're big enough to do that. What are they going 359 00:28:30.119 --> 00:28:36.119 to do? So she stayed in that break room until dawn, and once 360 00:28:36.119 --> 00:28:40.400 it was dawn, she thought, you know what, I forgot this other 361 00:28:40.559 --> 00:28:42.880 security guard's name. But she knew that there was someone who's supposed to be 362 00:28:42.960 --> 00:28:48.759 stationed outside in their car waiting for employees to show up. So she decided 363 00:28:48.799 --> 00:28:51.400 to make a break for it. She ran out of the building. She 364 00:28:52.160 --> 00:28:53.880 threw the door up into the break room, she ran out into the hall, 365 00:28:55.000 --> 00:28:57.720 went down the hall as fast as she could, went charging out the 366 00:28:57.759 --> 00:29:03.160 door. They lead outside. Iiden this guy, he was sitting in his 367 00:29:03.279 --> 00:29:08.240 car. As expected, she went just running up to him, totally beside 368 00:29:08.240 --> 00:29:15.599 herself, just she was a mess, and understandably so she tried telling him 369 00:29:15.599 --> 00:29:19.759 what happened. He didn't believe it, and naturally she never went back. 370 00:29:19.799 --> 00:29:26.720 And yeah, she years later she found out about me and contacted me to 371 00:29:26.799 --> 00:29:30.279 let me know about what had happened to her. But your heart really has 372 00:29:30.319 --> 00:29:33.759 to go out to these people who have these encounters like that. I mean, 373 00:29:33.960 --> 00:29:37.279 how do you have an encounter like that and go to work the next 374 00:29:37.359 --> 00:29:40.640 day? How do you function? So that's what I focus on, talking 375 00:29:40.640 --> 00:29:45.359 with these people and bringing things up that they need to understand about their encounters 376 00:29:45.799 --> 00:29:52.240 about dog men so they can start putting the pieces back together and function in 377 00:29:52.279 --> 00:29:56.039 life again and do what they need to do and actually start to enjoy life 378 00:29:56.039 --> 00:30:03.480 again. That is nightmare fuel. That is absolutely horrifying on so many different 379 00:30:03.519 --> 00:30:10.039 levels. Oh, definitely, a bigfoot encounter is one thing. I mean, 380 00:30:10.599 --> 00:30:12.880 people go out into the woods, you know, they have an encounter 381 00:30:14.000 --> 00:30:19.519 or something they see one they go home. But what you're saying, is 382 00:30:19.960 --> 00:30:26.039 these dog men actually pursued her into the building and then essentially stalked her and 383 00:30:26.200 --> 00:30:33.559 terrorized her. That's right, Beard their teeth at her through that big picture 384 00:30:33.599 --> 00:30:37.519 window, shutting out into the hall. There have been other cases too. 385 00:30:37.039 --> 00:30:41.680 People are normally most traumatized, and understandably so, unless you're talking about a 386 00:30:41.720 --> 00:30:47.880 true face to face encounter when one of these guys is literally within feet of 387 00:30:47.920 --> 00:30:52.920 an eye witness and is doing whatever they can to terrorize this person. But 388 00:30:52.000 --> 00:30:56.039 yeah, normally the people who are most traumatized are the ones that are inside 389 00:30:56.039 --> 00:31:00.400 a building with a dog man. A dog man comes into their home. 390 00:31:00.079 --> 00:31:06.519 There was another eyewitness who he had just bought a home. I think he 391 00:31:06.519 --> 00:31:10.759 had broken up with his wife. He was separated pending divorce. I think 392 00:31:10.799 --> 00:31:15.720 that's the case of what was going on. And he had bought this small 393 00:31:15.720 --> 00:31:19.039 home way out in the country, and he was handy, so he hadn't 394 00:31:19.039 --> 00:31:22.519 work to fix it up. He had it almost ready to live in. 395 00:31:23.039 --> 00:31:26.240 Well, since he worked a full time job, he would work on this 396 00:31:26.480 --> 00:31:33.000 house in his free time after work on the weekends. Well, he had 397 00:31:33.000 --> 00:31:36.160 a whole bunch of tools. Since it didn't have a garage. He put 398 00:31:36.160 --> 00:31:41.960 a bunch of the tools he was using to flip this house to renovate it 399 00:31:41.440 --> 00:31:47.599 in the closet of one of the back bedrooms. Well, he had been 400 00:31:47.640 --> 00:31:49.799 working in the house for a while. It was after dark that night. 401 00:31:49.839 --> 00:31:53.200 This was one night after he got off work and decided to do more work 402 00:31:53.200 --> 00:31:56.160 in the home. He was back in that bedroom, sitting on the bed. 403 00:31:56.359 --> 00:32:02.359 I guess taken a break. Well, the power wasn't I guess nothing 404 00:32:02.440 --> 00:32:07.119 was on in the home, no TVs. So the home was just dead 405 00:32:07.200 --> 00:32:13.400 silent, and he's sitting on the bed and next thing he knew, he 406 00:32:13.519 --> 00:32:17.000 thought he heard a sound that sounded like someone walking trying to sneak through the 407 00:32:17.039 --> 00:32:22.359 living room coming his way. So he just froze. He'd been making a 408 00:32:22.359 --> 00:32:25.000 little bit of noise, but he just froze and just sat there and listened. 409 00:32:25.759 --> 00:32:31.440 For a few moments, there wasn't any sound. And then after that 410 00:32:31.559 --> 00:32:39.000 period of time, he heard the floorally slowly creek, like somebody was in 411 00:32:39.079 --> 00:32:45.920 the house trying to creep his way back to where the bedrooms were. So 412 00:32:45.640 --> 00:32:51.720 when he was sitting there and definitively heard, Okay, someone is walking across 413 00:32:51.799 --> 00:32:55.440 that floor heading this way. All kinds of thoughts are going through his head. 414 00:32:57.319 --> 00:33:00.720 Who is it? Are they trying to rob me or killed me? 415 00:33:00.920 --> 00:33:04.559 Or what? Well, there was a chainsaw, he said, there was 416 00:33:04.599 --> 00:33:08.839 a chainsaw in there was like a pile of tools in that closet there. 417 00:33:09.440 --> 00:33:13.880 That was the most formidable thing that he saw. So he snatched that thing 418 00:33:13.960 --> 00:33:15.599 up. He had been using it, I think he said he had been 419 00:33:15.680 --> 00:33:21.039 using it earlier. So it fired him the first pull. He went charging 420 00:33:21.039 --> 00:33:24.599 out that bedroom door, expecting to come face to face with a person, 421 00:33:25.160 --> 00:33:29.839 some miscreant. Well, it was a juvenile dog man. It was like 422 00:33:29.880 --> 00:33:32.960 a six foot maybe seven foot tall dog man that was in the house that 423 00:33:34.000 --> 00:33:37.279 had been creeping across that floor, the living room floor, heading his way 424 00:33:37.319 --> 00:33:40.440 back to the bedrooms and all. Well, he said he chased it out 425 00:33:40.480 --> 00:33:45.920 of the house with that chainsaw running full on. And I'm thinking, holy 426 00:33:45.000 --> 00:33:49.279 cow, I wonder what it was doing that for if he didn't hear it 427 00:33:49.319 --> 00:33:52.240 coming, what it would have done and all of that. So you talk 428 00:33:52.279 --> 00:33:58.480 about nightmare fuel, that's another one then fits into that category. Is that 429 00:33:58.680 --> 00:34:04.440 a common theme these things stalking humans like prey, Well, it's a common 430 00:34:04.519 --> 00:34:09.280 theme to have them give you the idea that they're stalking people as prey. 431 00:34:09.400 --> 00:34:15.440 But I've literally, like I said, I've spoken with thousands of dog mean 432 00:34:15.480 --> 00:34:19.760 eyewitnesses. And if I had a nickel for every time one of these guys 433 00:34:19.760 --> 00:34:23.119 had an eyewitness dead to rights and had given them every reason to think that 434 00:34:23.119 --> 00:34:27.159 they were going to kill them, but they didn't, They never touched them, 435 00:34:27.599 --> 00:34:30.960 I'd be a rich man now time after time, and I pound this 436 00:34:31.039 --> 00:34:36.239 home when I'm talking with eyewitnesses. I hammered this fact tone with them so 437 00:34:36.360 --> 00:34:40.480 they understand. Look, I realize your encounter was terrifying as all get out. 438 00:34:42.000 --> 00:34:45.440 But when that ten foot dogged me in with the slabber running through or 439 00:34:46.239 --> 00:34:51.199 eleven foot tall dog me and whatever it was that was blacker than black, 440 00:34:51.280 --> 00:34:54.000 with five inch long talons on the tips of his fingers, and he was 441 00:34:54.039 --> 00:34:59.519 standing there just two three feet in front of you, and globulates of slabber 442 00:34:59.599 --> 00:35:04.480 were are pattering in the dirt right in front of your toes. He had 443 00:35:04.519 --> 00:35:08.760 you dead or rights. But if you was the mindless killing machine who would 444 00:35:08.840 --> 00:35:14.559 rip your face off as soon as look at you that you've been thinking of 445 00:35:14.639 --> 00:35:19.119 him as being all these years, we wouldn't be having this conversation, you 446 00:35:19.159 --> 00:35:23.000 were allowed to go without a single hair being harmed on your head. So 447 00:35:23.199 --> 00:35:27.280 yeah, I mean, these guys will do things like that time in and 448 00:35:27.400 --> 00:35:32.320 time out, time and again to create the illusion that they're stalking you, 449 00:35:32.400 --> 00:35:37.280 to create the illusion that you're about to die, because for some sick reason, 450 00:35:37.679 --> 00:35:42.360 they seem to really get their jollies by terrifying people to within a niche 451 00:35:42.400 --> 00:35:45.880 of their lives. And then, in almost every case, once they can 452 00:35:45.920 --> 00:35:50.840 see that's going on, okay, well you have this person's mortified, they 453 00:35:51.079 --> 00:35:54.960 leave. Now. People. I mean, if I had a nickel again 454 00:35:55.039 --> 00:36:00.519 for every time I received a message from someone who wants inform me that, 455 00:36:00.760 --> 00:36:06.360 well, what about the people who are killed by the dog men they encountered. 456 00:36:06.599 --> 00:36:09.199 You're making it out to seem like dogmen never kill anyone. Well, 457 00:36:09.239 --> 00:36:14.119 no, I'm never going to say that dogmen are necessarily safe to be around. 458 00:36:14.159 --> 00:36:17.599 I'm never going to say that dogmen don't kill people from time to time. 459 00:36:17.599 --> 00:36:22.000 But I will tell you the evidence clearly shows that if they do harm 460 00:36:22.079 --> 00:36:27.519 someone, that's definitely the exception and not the rule. If that was a 461 00:36:27.559 --> 00:36:32.480 common occurrence, then you wouldn't have so many people who contact me and who 462 00:36:32.559 --> 00:36:37.960 have contacted me over the years to talk about their experience where they were caught 463 00:36:37.000 --> 00:36:42.559 dead or rights by a dog man in a compromising situation where if the dog 464 00:36:42.599 --> 00:36:45.599 man wanted to kill them, no one in the world would ever know what 465 00:36:45.719 --> 00:36:50.280 happened to them. So yeah, I mean, there are going to be 466 00:36:51.159 --> 00:36:53.760 deviant dog men, just like they're going to be deviant people, horses, 467 00:36:53.880 --> 00:36:59.760 camel, goats. But I tell them this to help bring some comfort. 468 00:37:00.159 --> 00:37:05.000 I point out the fact that if you spoke with thousands upon thousands of people 469 00:37:05.000 --> 00:37:08.440 who have interacted with horses or goats or pigs, you name the animal and 470 00:37:08.519 --> 00:37:14.880 then you ask them, Okay, out of the thousands upon thousands of you 471 00:37:15.199 --> 00:37:20.800 who have interacted with horses, how many of you have been harmed intentionally harmed 472 00:37:20.800 --> 00:37:24.079 by the horse or horses you've dealt with? Well, you know that number 473 00:37:24.119 --> 00:37:28.559 would be in the hundreds. Yes, I was stepped on, I was 474 00:37:28.679 --> 00:37:32.480 kicked, I was run into intentionally, you name it. That number would 475 00:37:32.480 --> 00:37:37.320 be hundreds of attacks. Well with dog men. Over the years I've been 476 00:37:37.360 --> 00:37:44.599 speaking with all these thousands upon thousands of eyewitnesses. The number of credible eyewitnesses 477 00:37:44.599 --> 00:37:47.519 who have ever told me about being harmed by the dog man or dog men 478 00:37:47.599 --> 00:37:52.960 they encountered, is a whopping six or seven. Well, at first, 479 00:37:52.000 --> 00:37:55.360 that's going to make you real and think, oh, six or seven dog 480 00:37:55.440 --> 00:38:00.199 men attacks. That's horrible, and that is. But when you look the 481 00:38:00.239 --> 00:38:06.079 big picture, the numbers tell you that you're safer, You're less likely to 482 00:38:06.119 --> 00:38:09.719 come to harm if you encounter if you're in the presence of a dog man, 483 00:38:10.239 --> 00:38:15.519 then if you're in the presence of a horse. The numbers clearly lay 484 00:38:15.559 --> 00:38:20.119 that out for you. So I get it. They're terrifying as all get 485 00:38:20.159 --> 00:38:24.159 out to look at and to be around, but you can't ignore what the 486 00:38:24.239 --> 00:38:30.199 numbers clearly point out. Now, yeah, there are shows galore. Now 487 00:38:30.280 --> 00:38:34.880 that's the new fad to put on an episode of your show where there's this 488 00:38:34.960 --> 00:38:37.880 dog me an attack, where it's the face eating dog man and all this. 489 00:38:38.800 --> 00:38:44.559 Well, I'm not gonna get on my soapbox too bad on that, 490 00:38:44.679 --> 00:38:51.320 but I'll just say the volume of dog men eye witnesses ideal with is ridiculous. 491 00:38:52.800 --> 00:38:54.840 I don't bat an eye. It's been this way for a long time 492 00:38:54.880 --> 00:38:58.800 now. I don't even bat an eye. If I have three or four 493 00:38:58.920 --> 00:39:04.159 brand new dogmans come in to me in one day from eye witnesses I've never 494 00:39:04.159 --> 00:39:07.599 heard from before. I have had days where I get as many as seven 495 00:39:07.719 --> 00:39:12.400 or eight brand new encounters come in. If I'm dealing with that kind of 496 00:39:12.480 --> 00:39:17.159 volume, and it is literally once in a blue moon when I ever hear 497 00:39:17.239 --> 00:39:22.480 from a credible eyewitness who talks about being harmed attacked by a dog man. 498 00:39:23.280 --> 00:39:27.000 Well, if that's the case, and again I deal with that kind of 499 00:39:27.079 --> 00:39:32.679 volume, how can someone who doesn't deal with nearly the anywhere close to the 500 00:39:32.760 --> 00:39:37.599 volume I deal with, have a dog man attack victim every single time you 501 00:39:37.679 --> 00:39:44.480 turn around. I mean a perfect example of this. Recently, I guess 502 00:39:44.519 --> 00:39:47.559 it's been about six months or so. I had an eyewitness or someone who 503 00:39:47.559 --> 00:39:52.679 claimed to be an eyewitness, who talked about how they're riding a horse when 504 00:39:52.679 --> 00:39:55.519 this dog man, a big dog men came walking up beside them and was 505 00:39:55.599 --> 00:40:00.360 looking in an eye and swatting them off the horse and the ones they were 506 00:40:00.400 --> 00:40:04.480 knocked off the horse and came and stood over them, over him and raked 507 00:40:04.519 --> 00:40:07.320 him across the chest. Well, when he told me that, I said, 508 00:40:07.440 --> 00:40:12.079 wow, that's horrible. Did you take a picture of the wound or 509 00:40:12.119 --> 00:40:15.719 the wounds and he said yes I did. I said, okay, well, 510 00:40:15.760 --> 00:40:17.920 if that's the case, can I see the photo? And then he 511 00:40:17.960 --> 00:40:22.599 said sure so. Not too long after that, I put the pieces in 512 00:40:22.719 --> 00:40:31.360 place where I found two trauma surgeons who work in the Rockies, who I 513 00:40:31.440 --> 00:40:37.840 mean on a regular basis, they operate on people who have been attacked by 514 00:40:37.199 --> 00:40:44.039 large predators, bears, mountain lions. The pieces were put into place where 515 00:40:44.079 --> 00:40:45.800 I was going to be allow I was going to be able to send this 516 00:40:45.920 --> 00:40:52.559 photo to them to get their professional opinion on whether what they saw in this 517 00:40:52.639 --> 00:41:00.719 picture gave the impression of a legitimate large animal attack. And when I asked 518 00:41:00.800 --> 00:41:07.280 this quote unquote eyewitness about doing that, once I had the pieces in place 519 00:41:07.679 --> 00:41:12.000 to be able to send that photo to the trauma surgeons, once I asked, 520 00:41:12.000 --> 00:41:14.519 okay, well, I've got two trauma surgeons who are based in the 521 00:41:14.599 --> 00:41:17.760 Rockies and they'd be happy to take a look at your picture to let me 522 00:41:17.840 --> 00:41:23.320 know to share their professional opinions with me on the validity of your picture. 523 00:41:23.679 --> 00:41:27.639 Would you mind if I sent this picture to them, because I won't send 524 00:41:27.639 --> 00:41:31.519 the picture out without you know, the eyewitnesses approval. When I asked him 525 00:41:31.519 --> 00:41:37.480 about that, he just disappeared, didn't want any part of it. And 526 00:41:37.519 --> 00:41:42.360 that's the way it almost always is. When these people contact me and talk 527 00:41:42.400 --> 00:41:45.639 about being attacked, you know, when you start digging deeper into it, 528 00:41:45.880 --> 00:41:50.480 in almost every case, it just doesn't hold up. I'm not saying again, 529 00:41:50.519 --> 00:41:52.039 I'm not saying at tax don't happen, because you know, I believe 530 00:41:52.079 --> 00:41:58.079 they do. I have spoken with six or seven eye witnesses who I think 531 00:41:58.119 --> 00:42:01.760 they're the real deal. I think they actually attacked, But for being a 532 00:42:01.840 --> 00:42:07.239 regular occurrence, I just don't buy that. I was going to say, 533 00:42:07.719 --> 00:42:12.559 you're talking about the amount of volume that you deal with whenever it comes to 534 00:42:12.599 --> 00:42:21.199 witnesses. I have personally seen you make public statements about someone contacting you trying 535 00:42:21.280 --> 00:42:23.440 to come on the show, but you determined that they were lying to you 536 00:42:23.559 --> 00:42:29.760 or fabricating parts of their story and wouldn't have them on, which is very 537 00:42:29.760 --> 00:42:34.920 commendable. But I just want to point out to the listeners that you're getting 538 00:42:34.960 --> 00:42:42.000 this volume of witnesses. You're in the four hundreds now on your show about 539 00:42:42.119 --> 00:42:46.559 dog Man, and you don't put everybody on the show. That's right, 540 00:42:46.800 --> 00:42:51.360 Yeah, I don't. As you know, you've been doing this for a 541 00:42:51.440 --> 00:42:54.639 long time that I don't need to tell you that. If you can hear 542 00:42:54.719 --> 00:43:00.920 a show about a sasquatch attack, if you can hear a show about especially 543 00:43:00.960 --> 00:43:05.320 about a dog meant attack that sells, that's going to put butts in seats. 544 00:43:05.599 --> 00:43:09.480 If you're monetized, which I am. If you're monetized, then obviously 545 00:43:09.559 --> 00:43:14.360 the more views you get, the more money you put in your pocket. 546 00:43:14.440 --> 00:43:19.239 But when you get into this, you have to make a decision on what's 547 00:43:19.280 --> 00:43:22.280 going to be more important to you, the truth, on what you're putting 548 00:43:22.280 --> 00:43:27.760 out or lining your pockets. So yeah, that's why I do my best 549 00:43:27.800 --> 00:43:34.199 to make sure if I'm putting an encounter route there, that it's truthful. 550 00:43:34.599 --> 00:43:39.760 I would much rather send someone away who in my opinion, is lying than 551 00:43:40.239 --> 00:43:46.920 to bring them on and compromise the truth like that. So yeah, that's 552 00:43:46.920 --> 00:43:51.960 why I do that. So, yeah, that's what's behind that. To 553 00:43:52.079 --> 00:43:55.679 kind of touch on that episode thirty four Dog Mean Encounters, this is related 554 00:43:55.719 --> 00:44:00.559 to that whole thing what we're talking about now. Had a guest Nee Michael 555 00:44:00.639 --> 00:44:04.760 Lawrence. If anyone's listened to many episodes of dog Mean Encounters, I'm sure 556 00:44:04.760 --> 00:44:08.760 they're going to remember Michael. He came an episode thirty four, and he 557 00:44:08.880 --> 00:44:14.159 was also on episode thirty five, but I was to talk about other later 558 00:44:14.280 --> 00:44:19.960 encounters he had. But on episode thirty four he talked about how he went 559 00:44:20.119 --> 00:44:22.480 camping with his boy Scout Troop when he was a kid in the ends of 560 00:44:22.559 --> 00:44:29.519 Brego Desert in California, and he talked about how this juvenile dogged man unzipped 561 00:44:29.519 --> 00:44:32.679 his tent, came into the tent and sat on his legs and actually licked 562 00:44:32.719 --> 00:44:37.079 his face all the while its mother what he thought was its mother, was 563 00:44:37.159 --> 00:44:42.960 standing outside looking down at him through the vent in the roof of his tent. 564 00:44:43.559 --> 00:44:45.599 Well, when I read that report when he sent it into me, 565 00:44:46.159 --> 00:44:50.480 I thought, okay, yeah, I really need to vet this guy to 566 00:44:50.519 --> 00:44:53.559 make sure he's not blowing smoke. Well, yeah, I started throwing. 567 00:44:54.119 --> 00:44:59.519 After some light conversation to kind of break the ice, I thought, okay, 568 00:44:59.559 --> 00:45:01.719 well, it's time to vet him. So I started throwing vetting questions 569 00:45:01.760 --> 00:45:07.400 at him that only someone who had been that close to a bona fide dog 570 00:45:07.440 --> 00:45:12.519 man with know the answers and with no hesitation. I'd love a question, 571 00:45:12.599 --> 00:45:17.519 a vetting question. Instantly the correct answer came firing back. Wow, So 572 00:45:17.559 --> 00:45:24.199 I'd throw another vetting question instantly the correct answer came right back. What's one 573 00:45:24.239 --> 00:45:29.079 plus one? I mean it was like that, so I thought, you 574 00:45:29.119 --> 00:45:32.760 know what, this guy is the real deal here. So what's really funny 575 00:45:32.880 --> 00:45:37.679 is after that episode aired, naturally you've got the Peanut Gallery, You're always 576 00:45:37.679 --> 00:45:44.360 going to have people trolls coming in and wanting to browbeat eyewitnesses. Well, 577 00:45:44.480 --> 00:45:47.840 this isn't t ball. I'm not gonna put eyewitnesses up on a t for 578 00:45:47.920 --> 00:45:52.519 trolls like that to tee off on. But they make comments about how Michael 579 00:45:52.599 --> 00:45:57.079 was lying and all this, and I'm laughing at them, thinking, okay, 580 00:45:57.159 --> 00:46:00.719 yeah you can think that, but no, he's a real deal. 581 00:46:00.880 --> 00:46:06.199 He definitely did have those experiences that he talked about on that show. But 582 00:46:06.920 --> 00:46:09.039 yeah, you're never going to be perfect vetting these people, as you know, 583 00:46:09.159 --> 00:46:13.440 because again you've been doing this for so long, Matt. But I 584 00:46:13.559 --> 00:46:17.960 do the best I can to vet them and only bringing truthful eyewitnesses on. 585 00:46:20.199 --> 00:46:30.920 I have heard stories from some individuals that I trust about witnessing some amazing dog 586 00:46:30.000 --> 00:46:36.360 man evidence that they you know, it doesn't belong to them, It's not 587 00:46:36.480 --> 00:46:42.480 up to them to release it. Was privately shared with them, and they 588 00:46:42.559 --> 00:46:46.440 didn't really go into detail or anything. They just told me how amazing this 589 00:46:46.639 --> 00:46:54.599 stuff was. What some of the amazing evidence that you've seen that's never seen 590 00:46:54.639 --> 00:46:59.519 the light of day or never will see the light of day. I mean, 591 00:46:59.559 --> 00:47:04.519 obviously protect the identities of the witnesses and don't give away anything that you 592 00:47:04.519 --> 00:47:08.000 you know you shouldn't, but like, have you seen some amazing footage or 593 00:47:08.039 --> 00:47:13.599 anything like that? Oh, definitely. Yeah. That's one of the biggest 594 00:47:13.639 --> 00:47:17.360 reasons why I just don't get excited about evidence that's shared with me. Vic, 595 00:47:17.400 --> 00:47:20.559 I've got a photo I want to share. If you've got to see 596 00:47:20.599 --> 00:47:23.039 this, well, yeah, after you've seen what I've seen over the years, 597 00:47:23.360 --> 00:47:28.000 it's not going to blow my socks off if this person wants help dealing 598 00:47:28.039 --> 00:47:30.280 with an encounter by all means. But yeah, I just don't really get 599 00:47:30.320 --> 00:47:35.880 into the pictures or the evidence. But anyway, by far and away, 600 00:47:35.920 --> 00:47:43.239 the most impressive evidence that I've seen was some footage that was I guess what, 601 00:47:43.639 --> 00:47:46.800 eight years ago, this eye witness send it to me. Either he 602 00:47:47.480 --> 00:47:53.159 or another friend of his found out about a dog men or dog men plural 603 00:47:54.039 --> 00:47:58.320 that we're hanging out in this area in the foothills of this yere in Nevada 604 00:47:58.400 --> 00:48:02.639 Mountains, and and I guess to try and get evidence, they strapped this 605 00:48:02.760 --> 00:48:06.679 game cam to a tree trunk. Well, as you know, the more 606 00:48:06.719 --> 00:48:09.559 expensive game cams, you can set them not only to snap photos when they 607 00:48:09.559 --> 00:48:15.199 detect motion, but you can also set them if you want to film. 608 00:48:15.480 --> 00:48:19.760 Well that's what they did. They strapped this expensive game cam or a more 609 00:48:19.840 --> 00:48:24.119 capable game cam to this tree trunk and set it up on film mode. 610 00:48:24.280 --> 00:48:29.199 And then they hungsome bait about five feet away on a branch. Well, 611 00:48:30.239 --> 00:48:32.880 I don't think he ever told me if it was that day or maybe the 612 00:48:32.960 --> 00:48:37.039 next or whatever it was, but yeah, in broad daylight, you could 613 00:48:37.039 --> 00:48:42.599 see this dog man moving from left to right, coming into view full view 614 00:48:42.599 --> 00:48:46.400 of the camera. It walked between the camera lens in the bait that was 615 00:48:46.440 --> 00:48:52.519 hanging out on that branch, so it was literally less than five feet from 616 00:48:52.519 --> 00:48:55.800 the camera lens. It walked into view again from left to right. It's 617 00:48:55.880 --> 00:49:01.679 coat had like a like a timber wolfish coyote ish like color pattern to it. 618 00:49:02.760 --> 00:49:08.119 There were hairs that maybe started out like I guess, you know, 619 00:49:08.239 --> 00:49:14.519 coyotes and timberwolves some of them have here have fur where the fur is kind 620 00:49:14.519 --> 00:49:17.480 of gray towards the body. The further away you get from the body, 621 00:49:17.599 --> 00:49:23.079 the hair strand chanees color to like a brownish and then like a black tip 622 00:49:23.199 --> 00:49:28.039 or something like that. That's the kind of color that this dog men had. 623 00:49:28.440 --> 00:49:30.880 Well, that walked into full view from left or right, and then 624 00:49:30.880 --> 00:49:35.559 it stopped and then it turned to go through the bait. So I got 625 00:49:35.559 --> 00:49:37.719 to see it from the front, I got to see it from the back 626 00:49:37.199 --> 00:49:42.599 and back. Then it wasn't all that long after I had had a conversation 627 00:49:42.679 --> 00:49:47.360 with a gentleman who made a habit out of analyzing sasquatch footage. Well, 628 00:49:47.440 --> 00:49:55.559 I contacted him and Richard Dye I think is his name. I think his 629 00:49:55.679 --> 00:50:00.039 name is Richard Dy. I think he was on episode six of dogg Me 630 00:50:00.039 --> 00:50:05.719 and Encounters. But anyway, Yeah, I asked the eyewitness or the person 631 00:50:05.800 --> 00:50:07.960 who sent me the film footage, would it be okay if I shared this 632 00:50:08.000 --> 00:50:16.920 footage privately with a gentleman who on a regular basis analyzes footage of sasquatch, 633 00:50:17.639 --> 00:50:22.159 And he said sure, by all means. So I sent the private YouTube 634 00:50:22.159 --> 00:50:27.719 link of this film footage to him, and it just blew his socks off, 635 00:50:27.880 --> 00:50:30.119 just like a blew mine off. He thought, Holy cow. So 636 00:50:30.239 --> 00:50:34.760 yeah, we were talking on the phone while we were both watching this video 637 00:50:34.760 --> 00:50:38.199 footage at the same time. So yes, not just a situation where I 638 00:50:38.199 --> 00:50:42.559 was the only person who looked at this. Again, I think his first 639 00:50:42.599 --> 00:50:45.320 name is Richard, and I'm pretty darn sure his last name is Eady. 640 00:50:46.280 --> 00:50:51.159 He saw it too, We both looked at it, and that's by far 641 00:50:51.199 --> 00:50:53.920 and away the most impressive footage. Now. I've had photos that have been 642 00:50:53.920 --> 00:50:59.000 shared with me that would just literally if I hadn't seen that film footage, 643 00:50:59.159 --> 00:51:02.599 the photos would well, the photos still blew my socks off because they were 644 00:51:02.599 --> 00:51:06.719 so impressive. I mean, if you take your dog on a sunny afternoon, 645 00:51:07.280 --> 00:51:10.239 let your dog out the back door, the backdoors slams, and then 646 00:51:10.280 --> 00:51:15.360 you pull up your camera and snap a photo when the dog is literally like 647 00:51:15.639 --> 00:51:24.960 maybe twenty feet from the back door. That's how clear the picture or pictures 648 00:51:24.960 --> 00:51:30.320 I'm talking about are. So These people who say just because they haven't seen 649 00:51:30.400 --> 00:51:35.960 any impressive dog me unrelated evidence. These people who say, well, yeah, 650 00:51:36.039 --> 00:51:38.000 dog men aren't real, they're not out there, because if they were 651 00:51:38.199 --> 00:51:43.519 there'd be impressive evidence to support their existence. Well, guess what, there 652 00:51:43.719 --> 00:51:47.719 is very impressive evidence, you just haven't seen it. So for someone to 653 00:51:47.760 --> 00:51:53.920 come to that conclusion because I haven't seen that footage that evidence that means they 654 00:51:53.960 --> 00:52:04.039 can't be extant, that's just it's just ridiculous. You're also extremely familiar and 655 00:52:04.119 --> 00:52:10.320 active in the Bigfoot world and a veteran of the Bigfoot world, and over 656 00:52:10.360 --> 00:52:19.639 the years we have seen a growing in the paranormal Bigfoot belief in claims. 657 00:52:21.079 --> 00:52:28.039 Is there a paranormal element to dogman stories? Do witnesses claim does see things 658 00:52:28.039 --> 00:52:32.280 that can't be explained biologically like they do with Bigfoot? Oh? Yeah, 659 00:52:32.280 --> 00:52:38.880 all the time. You've got encounters that range from there aren't any details in 660 00:52:38.920 --> 00:52:47.119 the encounters that point towards idea that what they encountered was anything more extraordinary than 661 00:52:47.599 --> 00:52:54.280 a rabbit or a wool for whatever, no ethereal qualities, whatsoever. Then 662 00:52:54.320 --> 00:52:59.719 you've got other people that are in the far end of that, on the 663 00:52:59.719 --> 00:53:05.320 other into the spectrum where if what they told you about their encounters is true, 664 00:53:05.480 --> 00:53:09.239 then there's no getting around the fact that what they encountered had to be 665 00:53:09.800 --> 00:53:15.599 from the ether, had to be of supernatural origins, So yeah, it 666 00:53:15.639 --> 00:53:20.599 does run the gamut with them, just like it does with sasquatch. Do 667 00:53:20.639 --> 00:53:27.320 you have stories of cloaking or mind speak and things of that nature. Oh 668 00:53:27.440 --> 00:53:31.920 yeah, yeah, definitely all the above. Plenty of encounters were very credible. 669 00:53:31.920 --> 00:53:38.199 Eyewitnesses talked about cloaking dog men and and mine speak to That's not rare 670 00:53:38.280 --> 00:53:43.840 at all. That's been reported plenty of times as well. So yeah, 671 00:53:43.920 --> 00:53:46.960 everything that you hear from the big foot side, you pretty much hear from 672 00:53:46.960 --> 00:53:53.480 the dog inside as well. I've ran across a lot of witnesses who have 673 00:53:53.599 --> 00:54:00.480 had big foot encounters, have multiple big foot encounters, and have experienced other 674 00:54:00.679 --> 00:54:07.239 unexplained phenomenon in their lifetime. Is it the same way with dogman witnesses. 675 00:54:07.280 --> 00:54:10.320 Do you ever talk to them about have you ever seen a ghost or a 676 00:54:10.440 --> 00:54:15.000 UFO or a bigfoot or do they have multiple dogman encounters over a period of 677 00:54:15.039 --> 00:54:20.920 time. Yeah. Once someone has a dog mean encounter, that does seem 678 00:54:20.920 --> 00:54:25.440 to open up the door to future encounters. It's not always the case. 679 00:54:25.760 --> 00:54:30.039 Most people who see dogmen don't have another encounter. At least it's been my 680 00:54:30.119 --> 00:54:36.400 experience that that's the case. But yeah, It's not uncommon at all for 681 00:54:36.519 --> 00:54:40.719 people to contact me who've had two, three, four or more encounters with 682 00:54:40.800 --> 00:54:46.239 these guys. So it does seem like someone who's had an encounter before is 683 00:54:46.280 --> 00:54:52.199 more likely to have another encounter than someone who's never seen one. It's like 684 00:54:52.239 --> 00:54:58.159 a door is opened up for some reason. What's your take. I know 685 00:54:58.239 --> 00:55:04.440 you've heard some of these firsthand. I'm sure that there seems to be with 686 00:55:04.559 --> 00:55:09.920 Dogman a lot of stories of military or government involvement. You know, you 687 00:55:10.039 --> 00:55:19.599 hear stories about these special task forces going out and eradicating dogmen that are dangerous 688 00:55:19.760 --> 00:55:24.079 or whatever. Is there some sort of government involvement or cover up going on 689 00:55:24.159 --> 00:55:30.960 with the dogman phenomenon. Well, I'm convinced that there is a government cover 690 00:55:30.119 --> 00:55:36.039 up, that the government will do anything and everything in its power to keep 691 00:55:36.079 --> 00:55:39.079 their existence under wraps, because if they did lift that cat out of the 692 00:55:39.159 --> 00:55:45.400 bag, I've got no doubts that it would collapse our economy, it would 693 00:55:45.400 --> 00:55:49.519 collapse the whole world's economy as far as that goes, because if you think 694 00:55:49.559 --> 00:55:54.039 about it, if it was allowed to be officially accepted, that guess what, 695 00:55:54.679 --> 00:55:59.159 in a force near you, there is every possibility that something that looks 696 00:55:59.199 --> 00:56:04.360 like a giant were wolf is hiding, is living. If that was allowed 697 00:56:04.400 --> 00:56:07.639 to get out of the bag, what lumberjack is going to want to go 698 00:56:07.679 --> 00:56:13.440 out there into the forest and run a noisy chainsaw for ten twelve hours out 699 00:56:13.440 --> 00:56:16.679 of the day where they can't hear or see anything that's going on behind them. 700 00:56:17.360 --> 00:56:22.920 And people who harvest other things in the forest that we rely on on 701 00:56:22.960 --> 00:56:28.639 a day to day basis, not just talking about lumber for houses, buildings, 702 00:56:28.800 --> 00:56:36.519 other things, but medicine. Think about how many medicines are actually derived 703 00:56:36.639 --> 00:56:40.280 from plants in the forest. Well, that's gonna falter because no one's gonna 704 00:56:40.280 --> 00:56:44.840 want to go and harvest this type of plant, that type of plant when 705 00:56:45.199 --> 00:56:47.599 they know that they might encounter a dog men out there. No, thank 706 00:56:47.639 --> 00:56:52.239 you so. And then also too, I'll do you one better than that. 707 00:56:52.280 --> 00:56:54.840 Who's going to want to live anywhere close to a forest when they know 708 00:56:54.960 --> 00:56:59.480 that, okay, well in that forest, there's every possibility that one of 709 00:56:59.480 --> 00:57:05.559 those dog me and things might be there. So it would just cause our 710 00:57:05.639 --> 00:57:10.079 way of life to falter almost literally almost overnight. So yeah, I've got 711 00:57:10.079 --> 00:57:14.840 no doubts whatsoever. The government will do everything in its power to keep their 712 00:57:14.840 --> 00:57:20.559 existence under wraps. As far as these government programs where you hear this show 713 00:57:20.679 --> 00:57:27.119 talk about mister Blue and you know I used to work for the dog Men 714 00:57:28.360 --> 00:57:31.000 whatever team and all this, I think that's just trying to put butts and 715 00:57:31.079 --> 00:57:36.199 seats. If you had a position with the government where you were privy to 716 00:57:36.280 --> 00:57:39.360 that type of information, it would not be good for your health to go 717 00:57:39.400 --> 00:57:46.559 on a podcast and broadcast that they would find you. If you did that, 718 00:57:46.719 --> 00:57:52.039 they would find you and they would put a stop to that, guaranteed. 719 00:57:52.599 --> 00:57:55.639 So I don't buy into any of this where you have all this conspiracy 720 00:57:55.719 --> 00:57:59.639 theory stuff coming on this show or that show. I just don't buy that 721 00:57:59.679 --> 00:58:04.360 for us. Second, I'm convinced that's just an attempt to line pockets, 722 00:58:04.599 --> 00:58:09.119 to put butts and seats, because again, lining your pocket or pockets is 723 00:58:09.159 --> 00:58:14.840 more important to you than the truth. At the end of each of my 724 00:58:14.960 --> 00:58:22.159 episodes, I kind of do this tagline, there's something in the woods internally 725 00:58:22.719 --> 00:58:27.400 that has a different meaning than how it comes across. Whenever I had my 726 00:58:27.440 --> 00:58:31.679 first big foot encounter, one of the first things that came to mind whenever 727 00:58:31.719 --> 00:58:37.800 I was breaking it down and processing it was that oh my god, this 728 00:58:37.840 --> 00:58:40.800 thing isn't supposed to exist, and I just saw one. It's real, 729 00:58:42.079 --> 00:58:46.599 it actually exists. And then that was followed by, wait a minute, 730 00:58:47.199 --> 00:58:52.239 if it's real, what else is out there? What else exists that's not 731 00:58:52.280 --> 00:58:58.840 supposed to be real? And you know from some of our very early talks 732 00:58:59.280 --> 00:59:05.800 with one another, they're about Dogman. I was extremely skeptical. I've never 733 00:59:05.800 --> 00:59:12.599 seen one, and the idea of a giant bipedal canine type creature, I 734 00:59:12.679 --> 00:59:15.519 mean, sure werewolves, you know, I get it, but like, 735 00:59:15.119 --> 00:59:19.960 that can't possibly be real. Now it's years later, and I've talked to 736 00:59:20.000 --> 00:59:22.480 a lot of people, and I've talked to some people that I trust very 737 00:59:22.559 --> 00:59:28.320 much. I obviously have a great deal of respect for you and your judgment 738 00:59:28.360 --> 00:59:34.280 and your experience. I'm no longer so much on the fence as just someone 739 00:59:34.280 --> 00:59:39.840 who hasn't had their own personal experience. There's definitely something out there. There 740 00:59:39.880 --> 00:59:43.599 could be a lot of things out there, So I think a lot of 741 00:59:43.639 --> 00:59:50.039 the cover up stuff isn't necessarily about covering up Bigfoot or covering up Dogman. 742 00:59:50.440 --> 00:59:54.960 As much as there's monsters out there, there's things out there that you have 743 00:59:55.039 --> 00:59:59.639 no idea what's out there, And if we admit to this one, everybody's 744 00:59:59.639 --> 01:00:04.039 going to are asking about all these others and just figuring out that there's other 745 01:00:04.079 --> 01:00:07.079 things out there besides that. I think it would change the perspective and the 746 01:00:07.199 --> 01:00:12.599 dynamic of the entire world. Like you're saying, I don't think it's this 747 01:00:12.880 --> 01:00:15.599 or that. I think it's a whole slew of things, just like you 748 01:00:15.639 --> 01:00:21.000 were saying. You know, it's always boils down to money and control and 749 01:00:21.000 --> 01:00:23.599 power at the end of the day. But I don't think it's necessarily just 750 01:00:24.440 --> 01:00:32.800 this faction or this faction. I think it would create great instability and everything. 751 01:00:35.039 --> 01:00:38.000 Oh no, I agree. I couldn't agree more. Think about the 752 01:00:38.039 --> 01:00:43.960 religious side of it, the effect it would have on religious on things. 753 01:00:44.039 --> 01:00:49.119 And this just goes so much further above and beyond the whole spotted awl angle. 754 01:00:49.559 --> 01:00:52.880 You've got people who say, well, the spotted alphenomenon, that's why 755 01:00:52.920 --> 01:00:55.800 the government doesn't want this to get out. It's so much deeper than that. 756 01:00:57.719 --> 01:01:02.440 It's so much above and beyond at behind why the government would be crazy 757 01:01:02.559 --> 01:01:07.400 to let it out of the bag. If these guys sasquatch and dog men, 758 01:01:07.719 --> 01:01:15.159 especially dogmen exist but yeah, I mean, just imagine a world just 759 01:01:15.280 --> 01:01:19.639 overnight if it was allowed to get out. Wake up tomorrow and on the 760 01:01:19.719 --> 01:01:23.320 news it's officially allowed to get out of the bag, that these guys are 761 01:01:23.360 --> 01:01:28.119 really out there. Like you said, people are gonna try and process that, 762 01:01:28.440 --> 01:01:30.760 and it's not going to be too long before we, like you said, 763 01:01:30.760 --> 01:01:32.800 they're going to start to wonder what else is out there. So it 764 01:01:32.880 --> 01:01:39.760 would really be a morass if a government allowed it to get out after all 765 01:01:39.760 --> 01:01:49.159 these years. What are your thoughts on LBL. I noticed that fairly recently 766 01:01:49.280 --> 01:01:52.440 a new LBL witness came forward after all these years. I think they were 767 01:01:52.519 --> 01:01:58.239 claiming to be a deputy involved in the investigation at the time or something like 768 01:01:58.280 --> 01:02:00.880 that. I'm not real positive on that, but what are your thoughts. 769 01:02:00.920 --> 01:02:07.559 Do you think the famous story of the LBL dogman massacre is true? You 770 01:02:07.639 --> 01:02:13.079 know what, after talking with so many people, I think that probably did 771 01:02:13.239 --> 01:02:16.199 happen. But there have been so many things that have been brought out after 772 01:02:16.239 --> 01:02:23.360 that that were, in my opinion, situations where people tried to kind of 773 01:02:23.400 --> 01:02:30.519 glom onto that perfect example, as you know, being in the Sasquatch community 774 01:02:30.599 --> 01:02:32.840 the way you are, you know, full well that a few years ago 775 01:02:34.639 --> 01:02:39.239 someone came out and claimed they claimed that they were there the day that the 776 01:02:39.320 --> 01:02:44.599 family was murdered in that RV and then the daughter, of course was found 777 01:02:44.960 --> 01:02:51.519 hanging in that tree dead. But someone came out and made the claim that 778 01:02:51.639 --> 01:02:57.880 they were there. Well, obviously, naturally there was a huge buzz about 779 01:02:57.920 --> 01:03:02.199 that. But I've got this policy when it comes to talking with eyewitnesses. 780 01:03:02.599 --> 01:03:07.480 If I catch you in one lie, how can I trust you to be 781 01:03:07.519 --> 01:03:13.199 telling me the truth about anything else? If I catch you lying about this 782 01:03:13.320 --> 01:03:16.400 or that, well, how can I trust that you're telling me the truth 783 01:03:16.440 --> 01:03:21.519 about even having your dog me an encounter. What I'm getting at here is 784 01:03:21.599 --> 01:03:25.639 that quote unquote eyewitness who claimed to be an eyewitness who claimed to be there 785 01:03:25.719 --> 01:03:32.760 that day and saw his family supposedly Master heard. Well, I don't know 786 01:03:32.800 --> 01:03:38.519 how long it was after he came out and claimed to be there that he 787 01:03:38.719 --> 01:03:49.679 contacted me. He contacted me and told me that I knew that about maybe 788 01:03:49.760 --> 01:03:54.639 a year a year and a half ago, that he had gone on a 789 01:03:54.840 --> 01:04:02.400 show, a podcast, another podcast and made a about how people were asking, 790 01:04:02.440 --> 01:04:05.559 well, why didn't you take this up with Vic and whatever or something 791 01:04:05.599 --> 01:04:09.719 like that I don't listen to that podcast, but it was brought to my 792 01:04:09.800 --> 01:04:15.400 attention. Well, he said something about me being a liar and whatnot, 793 01:04:15.199 --> 01:04:19.559 that I tell lies and all this, and I guess I don't have any 794 01:04:19.559 --> 01:04:26.039 credibility. Well, some time after that, he actually contacted me and told 795 01:04:26.039 --> 01:04:30.199 me he apologized for saying that. And I'm thinking, of the whole time, 796 01:04:30.239 --> 01:04:32.880 I've never spoken with you, So how can you make that claim? 797 01:04:33.000 --> 01:04:38.440 Number One, I'm not a liar. Number two, I never have had 798 01:04:38.480 --> 01:04:42.880 a conversation with you. Period. Well, he contacted me, apologizing for 799 01:04:42.960 --> 01:04:47.960 saying that on that podcast because the person who hosted that podcast and some other 800 01:04:47.960 --> 01:04:54.920 people who worked that podcast coerced him into saying that about me. So I'm 801 01:04:54.960 --> 01:04:58.800 thinking, okay, Well, if you came out and said that something that 802 01:04:58.840 --> 01:05:01.440 you didn't know was true, that is, in it's own way, a 803 01:05:01.519 --> 01:05:06.719 lie, Then how can I trust anything that you're saying? How can I 804 01:05:06.760 --> 01:05:11.239 believe that you were actually there that day when you claim to have been there 805 01:05:11.239 --> 01:05:15.800 and witnessed this supposed murder. Again, I'm not saying the murder didn't happen, 806 01:05:15.400 --> 01:05:19.559 but yeah, because of what I'm sharing with you now, that's why 807 01:05:19.559 --> 01:05:25.159 I don't believe what he claimed to be the truth. I don't believe that 808 01:05:25.360 --> 01:05:29.719 was the truth. I could be wrong, but that's the reasoning behind why 809 01:05:29.719 --> 01:05:33.280 I just don't believe him when he came out and he claimed that he was 810 01:05:33.320 --> 01:05:36.920 there that day. Again, as far as the whole LBL murder there with 811 01:05:38.280 --> 01:05:43.960 r the family being found in the RV, I think it probably did happen. 812 01:05:44.599 --> 01:05:48.159 I think the bow a Hunter murder probably did happen, finding out what 813 01:05:48.239 --> 01:05:54.000 I've found out over the years. But if I was a betting man, 814 01:05:54.159 --> 01:06:00.280 i'd probably put eighty five percent on yes, they both did happen, in 815 01:06:00.480 --> 01:06:05.480 just fifteen percent on no, they didn't happen. Have you spoken with anybody 816 01:06:08.320 --> 01:06:14.719 credible in the law enforcement or military that has had their own dog man encounter? 817 01:06:15.039 --> 01:06:18.079 Oh? Yeah, yeah, definitely. In most cases, though, 818 01:06:18.079 --> 01:06:25.880 when someone is in law enforcement or military, especially active duty, in most 819 01:06:25.920 --> 01:06:30.880 cases p obvious reasons, it's in their best interest not to come forward and 820 01:06:30.960 --> 01:06:33.599 put it out there. But yeah, I have spoken with my fair share 821 01:06:33.639 --> 01:06:40.880 of people that that are military, people who are in law enforcement about their 822 01:06:40.880 --> 01:06:45.400 experiences. I had one eye witness. It was a bonus episode called nightmare 823 01:06:45.400 --> 01:06:50.800 experience. He was a police officer who was called out to this mobile home 824 01:06:51.280 --> 01:06:55.880 way out in the country because this guy who lived there in that mobile home 825 01:06:55.960 --> 01:07:01.679 had an encounter and he wanted help someone to come out and and render assistance. 826 01:07:02.199 --> 01:07:06.679 So he went out there and took a look around, and he actually 827 01:07:06.679 --> 01:07:11.679 wound up seeing an eight footer. This one was actually eight feet when it 828 01:07:11.760 --> 01:07:15.440 was down on all fours. Its arms were noticeably longer, which is often 829 01:07:15.519 --> 01:07:20.679 the case. Its arms were noticeably longer than its back legs. But he 830 01:07:20.840 --> 01:07:25.320 said that even down on all fours like that, it was still eight feet 831 01:07:25.320 --> 01:07:29.360 tall. So it was probably one of the twelve footers that he actually saw 832 01:07:29.440 --> 01:07:32.519 that day, twelve feet on its back legs. But yeah, he is 833 01:07:32.519 --> 01:07:39.000 a perfect example of law enforcement contacting me to tell me about an encounter. 834 01:07:39.079 --> 01:07:45.800 They had the typical generic big foot question that gets asked to everybody. I'm 835 01:07:45.800 --> 01:07:49.840 now going to ask you about dogmat What are they? What do you think 836 01:07:49.880 --> 01:07:57.000 they are? That's a million dollar question. If you do what I do 837 01:07:57.159 --> 01:08:00.280 for any period of time, it's only now natural that you're going to bounce 838 01:08:00.360 --> 01:08:05.880 back and forth from at one minute, one moment being convinced that they have 839 01:08:05.920 --> 01:08:12.559 to be flesh and blood because why would an ethereal being drink nasty, stagnant 840 01:08:12.639 --> 01:08:16.840 water out of a moss covered pond. Why would an ethereal being eat fetid 841 01:08:16.920 --> 01:08:23.399 road kill off the side of the road, or have a situation where credible 842 01:08:23.399 --> 01:08:29.479 eyewitnesses see dog man pops two feet tall, standing two feet tall right there 843 01:08:29.560 --> 01:08:33.199 next to a full grown dog man. Why would that happen if you're looking 844 01:08:33.199 --> 01:08:39.199 at a supernatural being or supernatural beings. And then, on the other hand, 845 01:08:40.479 --> 01:08:44.159 how could they be flesh and blood? If they're able to cloak, 846 01:08:44.479 --> 01:08:50.960 if they're able to mind speak, if they're able to turn into a ball 847 01:08:51.000 --> 01:08:57.279 of light an orb So yes, just natural. You bounce back and forth 848 01:08:58.039 --> 01:09:01.880 from one moment to the next, being convinced that this is a case. 849 01:09:02.000 --> 01:09:06.399 Okay, now maybe that's the case. So yeah, I can't tell you 850 01:09:06.439 --> 01:09:12.439 what they are. All I can do is just tell you what's been shared 851 01:09:12.479 --> 01:09:16.800 with me and whatnot. That's about all I can do. One final question 852 01:09:16.840 --> 01:09:21.520 before we get out of here. Dog man versus big foot? Who wins? 853 01:09:25.079 --> 01:09:27.680 Well, it depends on what you're talking about. If you're talking about 854 01:09:27.720 --> 01:09:31.520 a twelve foot dog man versus a twelve foot sasquatch, then yeah, because 855 01:09:31.560 --> 01:09:35.000 of the weaponry, I'd still see the dog man. But if you're talking 856 01:09:35.039 --> 01:09:41.800 about an eight foot dog men versus a twelve foot sasquatch, then yeah, 857 01:09:41.840 --> 01:09:45.359 my money would definitely be on the sasquatch. Think about it. Would you 858 01:09:46.119 --> 01:09:51.960 take a two hundred twenty pound men two hundred forty pound man? Okay, 859 01:09:53.359 --> 01:09:57.239 I don't care how tough you are. Is that two hundred thirty pound man 860 01:09:57.319 --> 01:10:00.199 two hundred forty pound men? Is he can to get the warm and fuzzies 861 01:10:00.439 --> 01:10:04.399 when he thinks about the possibility of being locked in the twelve twelve foot room 862 01:10:04.880 --> 01:10:10.399 with one hundred ten pound rod wiler. No, not at all. And 863 01:10:10.520 --> 01:10:15.600 guess what. Rotwilers don't have three four or five inch long talons on the 864 01:10:15.640 --> 01:10:18.159 tips of their fingers and on the tips of their toes. They don't have 865 01:10:18.199 --> 01:10:25.600 the intelligence of these dog men. So it doesn't even have to be a 866 01:10:25.640 --> 01:10:30.399 twelve foot dog man and the twelve foot sasquatch. I wouldn't be surprised if 867 01:10:30.520 --> 01:10:34.560 a nine foot dog man could take out a twelve foot sasquatch. Strength is 868 01:10:34.600 --> 01:10:39.359 really impressive in a fight, but it's only going to do so much if 869 01:10:39.359 --> 01:10:43.800 someone has a knife or a knife in both hands, and their jaws are 870 01:10:44.199 --> 01:10:49.239 lined with big sharp teeth. If that person is quite a bit smaller than 871 01:10:49.279 --> 01:10:56.039 you and you're unarmed, even though you're quite a bit stronger than that adversary, 872 01:10:56.159 --> 01:11:01.399 you're still giving up a lot to them in that fight. So that's 873 01:11:01.399 --> 01:11:08.399 why I think dogmen definitely have an advantage in a fight with a sasquatch if 874 01:11:08.399 --> 01:11:13.560 the sizes are even close. Are they known to run impacts like dogs? 875 01:11:13.640 --> 01:11:17.840 Is that something that's even known well? Dogmen have been seen in groups. 876 01:11:17.960 --> 01:11:23.640 But if you think about it, large predators not talking about lines, of 877 01:11:23.680 --> 01:11:29.319 course, because that's different. They deal with game. Herds of will to 878 01:11:29.399 --> 01:11:34.319 beasts and zebras and whatnot. They deal with an abundance of game that you're 879 01:11:34.359 --> 01:11:39.319 not going to see over here in North America for the most part. But 880 01:11:40.479 --> 01:11:45.159 herds true herds. But if you think about it, a large predator like 881 01:11:45.319 --> 01:11:49.960 that, it's in their best interest not to hang out in numbers. Wolves 882 01:11:50.479 --> 01:11:59.399 they hang out together in a group because the game they dispatch, it requires 883 01:12:00.079 --> 01:12:04.359 numbers to dispatch that prey. Whether you're talking about elk or a moves or 884 01:12:04.399 --> 01:12:09.239 a bison, you name it, it takes numbers to take that prey down, 885 01:12:09.560 --> 01:12:13.640 or if you're talking about mule deer or whatever kind of deer, Okay, 886 01:12:13.640 --> 01:12:17.359 instead of requiring strength to take down that prey, you're looking at teamwork 887 01:12:17.439 --> 01:12:23.520 to tire out that mule deer. Well with dog men, they have the 888 01:12:23.600 --> 01:12:28.119 speed and strength to dispatch anything they come across, whether you're talking about a 889 01:12:28.159 --> 01:12:32.199 bison, draft horse, you name it. They don't need help. They 890 01:12:32.199 --> 01:12:38.000 can do just fine on their own without any help. And if they did 891 01:12:38.079 --> 01:12:41.039 hang out numbers, then all of a sudden, before you know it, 892 01:12:41.079 --> 01:12:45.760 they've depleted the resources in any given area that much quicker, requiring them to 893 01:12:45.880 --> 01:12:50.159 move on to another area. So, in my opinion, it's in their 894 01:12:50.159 --> 01:12:55.520 best interest, just like grizzly bear, just like a tiger, it's in 895 01:12:55.560 --> 01:13:03.000 their best interest to only hang out alone. Unless you're talking about mating or 896 01:13:03.319 --> 01:13:08.159 maybe some other reason why they're going to come together, it's in their best 897 01:13:08.199 --> 01:13:13.560 interest to have a situation where they do live alone. Almost all the time, 898 01:13:14.600 --> 01:13:16.560 they have been seen in numbers, though I can't say that they haven't 899 01:13:16.920 --> 01:13:21.560 because there have been credible eyewitnesses who have reported seeing groups of them. There 900 01:13:21.640 --> 01:13:26.920 is one eyewitness who he lived in a mobile home park at the time. 901 01:13:27.479 --> 01:13:30.439 It was like two in the morning something like that, and he heard this 902 01:13:30.640 --> 01:13:33.680 what he thought was a lady screaming in the woods behind the mobile home park. 903 01:13:33.760 --> 01:13:38.119 So he grabbed a bat headed out the back door, head in. 904 01:13:38.319 --> 01:13:42.079 I think he went into the woods down this path that had been cut through 905 01:13:42.079 --> 01:13:45.079 the forest that a lot of people in the area would use. Well, 906 01:13:46.159 --> 01:13:49.880 after he went some distance into the woods, he didn't see anyone. He 907 01:13:49.960 --> 01:13:53.640 didn't hear anything, didn't hear the woman. So he thought, okay, 908 01:13:53.680 --> 01:13:58.239 well, maybe I was just dreaming and imagined it. So he turned around 909 01:13:58.239 --> 01:14:01.039 to walk back to his trailer, and when he did that, he saw 910 01:14:01.159 --> 01:14:05.119 three dogmen on one side of the path, three dogmen on the other side, 911 01:14:05.159 --> 01:14:12.920 he said, And there wasn't anything back the way, the opposite direction 912 01:14:13.079 --> 01:14:16.560 from his home, nothing but more woods. So he was a religious man. 913 01:14:16.680 --> 01:14:19.600 He just said a prayer, kept his head down, and just walked 914 01:14:19.680 --> 01:14:25.520 right down the path, he said, between the six dogmen to get home. 915 01:14:25.920 --> 01:14:28.319 They were close, close enough to touch him, but he said, 916 01:14:28.319 --> 01:14:33.520 they never did touch him. So can you imagine that? No way? 917 01:14:33.600 --> 01:14:38.840 Yeah, I mean, I guess he didn't have a choice. But geez, 918 01:14:40.239 --> 01:14:43.880 I agree, Vick. I appreciate it man, thank you so much 919 01:14:44.000 --> 01:14:47.119 for coming on. Tell the good folks where they can find you. Well, 920 01:14:47.159 --> 01:14:50.920 you're welcome about coming on, glad to do it. As far as 921 01:14:51.319 --> 01:14:56.359 listening to my shows, I've got four podcasts. I've got dog Me and 922 01:14:56.479 --> 01:15:00.960 Encounters, which if you go to dog Me and Encounters, that's the website 923 01:15:01.000 --> 01:15:04.439 for the show, you can find out how to listen everything you'd like to 924 01:15:04.479 --> 01:15:09.960 know about this show and about Dogman there. And then I've got two bigfoot 925 01:15:09.960 --> 01:15:14.680 shows. My newest bigfoot show was called My Bigfoot Sighting. If you go 926 01:15:14.800 --> 01:15:20.439 to my Bigfoot Sighting dot com you can find out how to listen to the 927 01:15:20.520 --> 01:15:27.159 show and everything like that. 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If you want to check out that show, then please go to 936 01:16:15.560 --> 01:16:27.439 my PS and paul A r a Ex dot com my Pierax dot com. 937 01:16:27.479 --> 01:16:30.119 If you go there to the website again, you'll find links for how to 938 01:16:30.159 --> 01:16:34.640 listen and all of that. But having said all that, Mad, it's 939 01:16:34.680 --> 01:16:38.279 been a great time. Thank you so much for having me on, and 940 01:16:38.680 --> 01:16:43.159 I'm looking forward to having you on Bigfoot eye Witness Radio. Come to mention 941 01:16:43.199 --> 01:16:48.199 it, Yeah, gonna make an appearance on the Little Bigfoot Eyewitness Radio show. 942 01:16:48.279 --> 01:16:53.039 I'm looking forward to it. Man. Like I said, you know, 943 01:16:53.079 --> 01:16:57.119 I've been wanting to have you on forever. I always enjoy talking to 944 01:16:57.159 --> 01:17:01.000 you, man, and I've once again enjoyed this conversation. I feel like 945 01:17:01.039 --> 01:17:08.479 I've learned quite a few things about dogman and dogmen encounters. And if you've 946 01:17:08.479 --> 01:17:13.199 had an encounter and would like to share with me, email me at Bigfootcrossroads 947 01:17:13.199 --> 01:17:16.319 at gmail dot com. Check out the website Bigfootcrossroads dot com. You can 948 01:17:16.359 --> 01:17:20.399 find links to the social media, a place to file a report, links 949 01:17:20.399 --> 01:17:25.159 to the merchandise, all the good stuff, and until next time, remember 950 01:17:25.800 --> 01:17:29.319 there's something in the woods and it might just be a dog man.