1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:03,680 If you'd like to talk about your own big Foot encounter, or if you're 2 00:00:03,680 --> 00:00:07,360 looking for help from a big Foot investigator in your area, email me at 3 00:00:07,360 --> 00:00:46,399 Bigfoot Crossroads at gmail dot com. This is Bigfoot Crossroads. My name's Matt, 4 00:00:46,679 --> 00:00:50,679 and this is the sixtieth episode. I want to say thank you to 5 00:00:50,759 --> 00:00:55,280 everyone who has supported the podcast so far. Hello to any new listeners out 6 00:00:55,320 --> 00:00:58,640 there. If you happen to be listening on a platform where you can leave 7 00:00:58,640 --> 00:01:02,920 a rating or a comment, please do so it really helps out. I 8 00:01:02,960 --> 00:01:07,319 want to tell everybody that we're going to be expanding the show into other areas, 9 00:01:07,319 --> 00:01:14,000 not just Bigfoot, but other cryptids, paranormal UFOs, aliens, whatever. 10 00:01:14,920 --> 00:01:18,599 I'm still going to focus on witnesses and their encounters, but I want 11 00:01:18,599 --> 00:01:22,599 to branch out into other areas of my interest. I've always been interested in 12 00:01:23,159 --> 00:01:26,719 all sorts of unexplained phenomenon, so I really want to start getting into that 13 00:01:26,760 --> 00:01:30,079 more. I've done so a little bit in the past, as you know, 14 00:01:30,719 --> 00:01:34,359 and we're going to delve into another area on this very episode. But 15 00:01:34,519 --> 00:01:40,560 first I want to let everybody know that there's a brand new Facebook group for 16 00:01:40,640 --> 00:01:45,519 Bigfoot Crossroads. If you want to talk with other listeners speak with me, 17 00:01:46,400 --> 00:01:51,799 or if you just can't get enough of that bigfoot and unexplained goodness, check 18 00:01:51,799 --> 00:01:57,719 it out at facebook dot com slash groups slash Bigfoot Crossroads. Also be sure 19 00:01:57,760 --> 00:02:02,840 to follow me on Instagram at Bigfoot Crossroads and Twitter at bf Crossroads. The 20 00:02:02,920 --> 00:02:07,840 guest on this episode, in my opinion, needs no introduction. If you're 21 00:02:07,879 --> 00:02:14,319 listening to this, you've probably listened to his show too. He is single 22 00:02:14,360 --> 00:02:20,560 handedly responsible for putting dog Man on the map. In my opinion, I 23 00:02:20,599 --> 00:02:27,400 would like to welcome the one and only Vic Kunduff to the show. Vic 24 00:02:28,479 --> 00:02:34,759 Man, Welcome to Bigfoot Crossroads. Sir. When you said I'd like to 25 00:02:34,759 --> 00:02:38,400 welcome the one and only I started getting excited. I wasn't sure you're going 26 00:02:38,439 --> 00:02:43,280 to be inviting on. Who is it? Yeah? Then he said it 27 00:02:43,439 --> 00:02:46,680 was me, not that all. Come on now, Yeah, that can't 28 00:02:46,719 --> 00:02:49,759 be. The Key's not for me at least. But thanks for the hospitality. 29 00:02:49,840 --> 00:02:53,639 I appreciate it. Yeah. Long time coming, man. Oh geez, 30 00:02:53,879 --> 00:02:58,080 I've wanted to have you on for so long. I'm so happy it's 31 00:02:58,159 --> 00:03:02,120 actually happening. Well, thanks for the invite. We go back, man, 32 00:03:02,479 --> 00:03:06,759 we go way back. You know. We do be carefully. You're 33 00:03:06,759 --> 00:03:12,479 gonna make me feel old. Yeah, no older than me. Can't fire 34 00:03:12,599 --> 00:03:15,960 shadows? Do people know a lot about that? Is that where you got 35 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:21,680 your podcasting start? Some people do know about that. I can't fire shadow 36 00:03:21,759 --> 00:03:23,639 days, but I don't think too many. And by the way, everyone 37 00:03:23,719 --> 00:03:28,439 listening, I apologize in advance from my voice. It's all messed up. 38 00:03:29,199 --> 00:03:31,120 I'm doing the best I can. I don't know what's behind that, what's 39 00:03:31,159 --> 00:03:35,319 wrong with me, but I'm fighting my way through it. But anyway, 40 00:03:35,879 --> 00:03:38,000 yeah, I can't fire shadows. That's how I got my start. I'm 41 00:03:38,039 --> 00:03:45,039 not sure if you remember how I fell into that, but in case you 42 00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:47,240 didn't, and I'm sure a lot of the listeners don't know. Back in 43 00:03:47,520 --> 00:03:54,879 two thousand and seven or so, Bear was hosting Can't Fire Shadows with Shane 44 00:03:54,960 --> 00:04:00,560 McMahon. Well back then, when Bear decided to leave the show, they 45 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:04,120 were looking for someone to replace him. While I was a regular every single 46 00:04:04,159 --> 00:04:08,680 week, I would tune in and be right there in the chat room listening 47 00:04:08,719 --> 00:04:12,360 to the newest show as it was being aired. And all of a sudden, 48 00:04:12,360 --> 00:04:15,560 as they were talking in the chat about who they thought would be the 49 00:04:15,560 --> 00:04:18,959 best replacement, next thing. I know, Beer types up. I think 50 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:25,120 Vic Condiff would be a good replacement. I'm thinking, what I thought, 51 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:29,720 you gotta be crazy, So yeah, I was asking him why in the 52 00:04:29,759 --> 00:04:32,000 world he thought that would be the case, and he was spelling out why 53 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:34,519 he thought I would. I thought he was full of it. I thought, 54 00:04:34,600 --> 00:04:38,360 yeah, I'm just not cut out for that. So yeah, I 55 00:04:38,439 --> 00:04:41,000 just listened to and make his case, and I thought, you know what, 56 00:04:41,199 --> 00:04:44,000 well, I guess it would be a lot of fun to try it. 57 00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:49,199 So yeah, they put me in in place and we had everything set 58 00:04:49,279 --> 00:04:53,680 up. Then we aired that first show and I thought, Okay, I 59 00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:57,519 can do this, So yeah, I co hosted that show with she and 60 00:04:57,560 --> 00:05:01,040 McMahon and I did that from what two thousand and seven and two thousand and 61 00:05:01,079 --> 00:05:05,160 eight, and then that's all I got. Must start. Wow for those 62 00:05:05,639 --> 00:05:11,839 new listeners out there or people who aren't familiar, Bear was a good friend 63 00:05:11,839 --> 00:05:15,839 of mine and a former co host on a previous podcast I had called Bigfoot 64 00:05:15,839 --> 00:05:23,680 Outlaw Radio. Then years later you started a little podcast called dog Man Encounters 65 00:05:23,800 --> 00:05:28,800 Radio. It's kind of turned into something over the years. You know, 66 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:33,079 dog Man wasn't something that was hardly spoken about back then you'd run across a 67 00:05:33,079 --> 00:05:38,600 few stories here and there, and now it seems to be everywhere. There's 68 00:05:38,800 --> 00:05:45,560 numerous dog man podcasts. It's included hand in hand with bigfoot stuff all the 69 00:05:45,639 --> 00:05:50,800 time, and I personally think that you are at least the pioneer of that, 70 00:05:51,720 --> 00:05:59,560 if not single handedly responsible for getting that whole thing started. Why did 71 00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:02,800 you start art dog Man Encounters Radio? What got you into that exactly? 72 00:06:04,360 --> 00:06:10,800 Well, that goes right back to Bear and Coombo days back in I think 73 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:15,560 two thousand and eight, when Bear and Coombo had come back from some outing, 74 00:06:16,120 --> 00:06:20,759 and on that outing, I can't remember the particulars, but someone saw 75 00:06:21,279 --> 00:06:25,600 a dog faced booger. That's how they called it. That's how they put 76 00:06:25,639 --> 00:06:30,480 it. And as I'm listening to them talk about this dog faced booger that 77 00:06:30,600 --> 00:06:33,399 someone saw, I knew what a booger was, obviously a sasquatch, But 78 00:06:33,759 --> 00:06:36,560 a dog faced booger, What in the world are you talking about? So 79 00:06:36,839 --> 00:06:42,480 I can't remember if I asked Beer or Coombo for clarity. Well, then 80 00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:45,240 I found out that what they were talking about was called a dog man. 81 00:06:45,839 --> 00:06:48,959 So I put some research into it and found out some things about dog men, 82 00:06:49,040 --> 00:06:54,160 and I thought Wow, if you have a sasquatch sighting and need to 83 00:06:54,199 --> 00:06:57,639 talk with someone to get help, you can almost go to your corner grocery 84 00:06:57,680 --> 00:07:00,560 store and get help. But if you see a dog me and one of 85 00:07:00,560 --> 00:07:03,480 these dog men, who do you go to to talk with and try to 86 00:07:03,519 --> 00:07:06,319 get help? So I thought, you know, there's a real need here. 87 00:07:06,360 --> 00:07:11,079 Well, years down the road after that, I started actually talking with 88 00:07:11,120 --> 00:07:14,560 eyewitnesses. In two thousand and seven, I did, I'm sorry. In 89 00:07:14,600 --> 00:07:18,240 two thousand and eight, I did speak with my first Dogman eyewitness, But 90 00:07:18,759 --> 00:07:23,519 yeah, down the road after that, I put the pieces in plays to 91 00:07:24,079 --> 00:07:29,079 create dog Men encounters. So, yeah, I started talking with Dogman eyewitnesses 92 00:07:29,120 --> 00:07:32,639 about a year before I heared the first episode. Heared that first episode of 93 00:07:32,680 --> 00:07:38,839 the show on August fifteenth. Now, I'm sorry, August twenty second of 94 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:46,000 twenty fifteen, and yeah, four hundred and fifty three episodes later, not 95 00:07:46,079 --> 00:07:50,319 really showing any signs of stopping. I still going strong. That's right, 96 00:07:50,480 --> 00:07:55,800 still going strong. So many people have this idea that what you see or 97 00:07:55,800 --> 00:07:58,160 what you hear I should see is what you get. Okay, Well, 98 00:07:58,279 --> 00:08:01,920 Vick has spoken with one hundred and fifty two eyewitnesses because there are four hundred 99 00:08:01,959 --> 00:08:05,959 and fifty two episodes. But yeah, that couldn't be further from the truth. 100 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:09,519 I mean, there's so many people behind the scenes who contact me about 101 00:08:09,519 --> 00:08:13,759 their encounters wanting help that I mean more than you could shake a stick at 102 00:08:13,879 --> 00:08:20,920 the numbers in the thousands now. So yeah, it's just been something else. 103 00:08:20,959 --> 00:08:28,560 Well, maybe with your show and other shows like it getting this phenomenon 104 00:08:28,639 --> 00:08:35,240 out there. Maybe, I know, it definitely is gaining traction and is 105 00:08:35,480 --> 00:08:39,559 leaps and bounds ahead of where it used to be. Still, it's not 106 00:08:39,639 --> 00:08:45,440 in the public eye like Bigfoot is, but maybe that will start to happen 107 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:48,480 more and more. I know there's people, you know, documenting the sighting 108 00:08:48,519 --> 00:08:54,159 reports and like mapping them out and everything else. Do you think that there's 109 00:08:54,200 --> 00:09:00,360 as many dogman witnesses as Bigfoot witnesses? No, I don't think there are 110 00:09:00,399 --> 00:09:05,080 as many dogment eyewitnesses out there, But there are more dogment eyewitnesses by far 111 00:09:05,720 --> 00:09:09,240 out there than you're ever gonna know. I talk with eye witnesses all the 112 00:09:09,279 --> 00:09:15,080 time who are so distraught about their encounters and they feel isolated, that whole 113 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:18,080 prison without walls effect, and I tell them, look, you probably know 114 00:09:18,159 --> 00:09:22,480 people who've had encounters with these things. They just haven't told you. They 115 00:09:22,519 --> 00:09:26,639 haven't told you because they've got this fear of ridicule and they don't want to 116 00:09:26,679 --> 00:09:31,080 be judged and whatnot. Well, yeah, you're far from being alone. 117 00:09:31,559 --> 00:09:33,480 I mean, there are more people, like I said, than you can 118 00:09:33,519 --> 00:09:37,879 shake a stick out who've had encounters with these guys. Doctors, lawyers, 119 00:09:37,080 --> 00:09:43,440 same thing with sasquatch eyewitnesses, people from every walk of life. So yeah, 120 00:09:43,480 --> 00:09:46,080 I mean a lot of people have seen these guys. But to answer 121 00:09:46,080 --> 00:09:48,240 your question, no, I don't think. I don't think that as many 122 00:09:48,879 --> 00:09:52,600 dogmen eyewitnesses are out there as there are for sasquatch. I don't think there 123 00:09:52,600 --> 00:09:58,240 as many dogmen by a long shot. As far as comparing their numbers to 124 00:09:58,679 --> 00:10:05,960 sasquatch, have you noticed specific similarities between the two types of witnesses or any 125 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:11,519 differences between the two types of witnesses. Oh yeah, Yeah, there's so 126 00:10:11,639 --> 00:10:16,159 much more trauma when it comes to dog me and eyewitnesses. I mean, 127 00:10:16,240 --> 00:10:20,559 I talk with over the years, I've spoken with plenty of Sasquatch eyewitnesses who 128 00:10:22,200 --> 00:10:26,360 they'll have a fairly frightening encounter with a Sasquatch and they're heading back into the 129 00:10:26,399 --> 00:10:30,639 woods. They have one encounter with the dog men, then they're through. 130 00:10:30,759 --> 00:10:33,600 They're not heading back in. They don't even look at the forest. That's 131 00:10:33,639 --> 00:10:37,559 it. No conversation. No, the trauma that you see from a dogman 132 00:10:37,600 --> 00:10:45,120 eyewitness compared to most sasquatch eyewitnesses, it doesn't even compare. And understandably, 133 00:10:45,200 --> 00:10:48,919 so when you're talking about something that looks like a werewolf, a werewolf on 134 00:10:50,039 --> 00:10:54,679 steroids that can be as tall as twelve feet I mean, a huge ten 135 00:10:54,840 --> 00:11:00,799 eleven twelve foot sasquatch, that can be frightening because you're just not expecting to 136 00:11:00,840 --> 00:11:05,000 see anything like that. But when you see something that's got that physical appearance 137 00:11:05,399 --> 00:11:09,039 of a giant werewolf, or even though six foot seven foot tall dog me 138 00:11:09,080 --> 00:11:15,399 in, well, your mind says we're wolf. So yeah, the trauma 139 00:11:15,480 --> 00:11:18,879 is naturally going to be that much higher than if you see a sasquatch in 140 00:11:18,960 --> 00:11:26,240 most cases. So how did you get started with an interest in these subjects 141 00:11:26,440 --> 00:11:30,039 to begin with? I mean, how did you end up in that chat 142 00:11:30,120 --> 00:11:35,879 room of camp fire shadows? Oh, that's easy. I've always been really 143 00:11:35,879 --> 00:11:39,879 interested in things that go bump in the night, always loved watching monster movies, 144 00:11:41,080 --> 00:11:46,919 and I've always been inter frightening things. And yeah, once the Internet 145 00:11:46,960 --> 00:11:52,360 came around and I started diving deeper and deeper into the Internet and what it 146 00:11:52,440 --> 00:11:56,879 had to offer, I eventually found out that there were things out there such 147 00:11:56,919 --> 00:12:01,799 as podcasts on set Asquatch and other things like that. Well, when I 148 00:12:01,840 --> 00:12:07,480 found that out, I thought, Wow, I've arrived. So yeah, 149 00:12:07,519 --> 00:12:11,600 it wasn't too long after that that I found out about about this Bigfoot show. 150 00:12:11,679 --> 00:12:16,759 That Bigfoot show with An. I eventually found out about camp Fire Shadows, 151 00:12:16,440 --> 00:12:20,399 and I just liked that hole. It just had this really comfortable feel 152 00:12:20,440 --> 00:12:26,679 to it. I love listening to to Beer and Kombo and Dan and Vicky 153 00:12:26,919 --> 00:12:31,360 and you and listening to all the talk about the outings you guys would go 154 00:12:31,399 --> 00:12:35,840 on listening to the shows where you did live outings, especially that one episode 155 00:12:35,879 --> 00:12:41,000 when Shean saw that Sasquatch on air. Yeah, we had a lot of 156 00:12:41,039 --> 00:12:45,080 conversations about that, just between the two of us. But no, it's 157 00:12:45,159 --> 00:12:48,919 just I felt like a kid in the candy store, So I feel like 158 00:12:48,960 --> 00:12:54,480 I was just destined to fall into it. Did you have any you know, 159 00:12:54,600 --> 00:12:58,919 paranormal experiences or cryptic experiences growing up and on into adulthood. Prior to 160 00:13:01,120 --> 00:13:05,000 well, I have had an experience that I would swear was a sasquatch encounter. 161 00:13:05,120 --> 00:13:07,679 Right, can't make the claim that I saw it, but when you 162 00:13:07,720 --> 00:13:11,879 put all the pieces together, I can't see how it could have been anything 163 00:13:11,919 --> 00:13:18,279 but a big sasquatch literally just feet behind me. The story behind that is 164 00:13:18,840 --> 00:13:24,200 this was over forty years ago. I went with a neighbor deer hunting. 165 00:13:24,440 --> 00:13:30,000 I'd never been hunting deer hunting before, and he was an avid outdoorsman. 166 00:13:30,039 --> 00:13:33,200 This guy had done everything, been everywhere as far as being an outdoorsman went. 167 00:13:33,679 --> 00:13:37,639 And he told me, he said, look, if you get your 168 00:13:37,240 --> 00:13:41,399 hunting license, I'll take you down to my farm, which was literally out 169 00:13:41,399 --> 00:13:46,200 in the middle of nowhere in the hills and hollers. He said, I'll 170 00:13:46,200 --> 00:13:50,120 take you down to my farm so we can head out opening day. And 171 00:13:50,759 --> 00:13:54,000 he'd said, I'll take you to a good spot and i'll leave you there 172 00:13:54,039 --> 00:13:58,039 and we'll see if you can't bag a deer. Well, it's kind of 173 00:13:58,039 --> 00:14:01,519 stupid. I've always been such an animal now that if I would have actually 174 00:14:01,559 --> 00:14:05,240 shot the deer that day, I would have been just beside myself. But 175 00:14:05,360 --> 00:14:09,600 Anyway, I took him up on it because I've always liked adventure. Well, 176 00:14:09,919 --> 00:14:16,519 the day before deer season came, so yeah, like he promised, 177 00:14:16,720 --> 00:14:20,360 he drove us down to his farm. We just got settled in or whatever, 178 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:24,399 and before you knew it was bedtime. We went to bed, and 179 00:14:24,840 --> 00:14:26,360 I went up to the attic where my bedroom was going to be. I 180 00:14:26,399 --> 00:14:31,039 went to bed, and we got up like an hour or so before dawn, 181 00:14:31,879 --> 00:14:37,320 and then I went downstairs and he already had breakfast ready, and we 182 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:41,080 had breakfast, and then we got ready and we headed out the door. 183 00:14:41,120 --> 00:14:43,399 And like I said before, this guy, he literally his farm was in 184 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:48,159 the middle of absolute nowhere. I mean, hills and hollers doesn't do it 185 00:14:48,200 --> 00:14:52,639 any justice. So anyway, yeah, he told me, he said, 186 00:14:52,679 --> 00:15:00,200 I'm gonna walk you about maybe fifteen minutes twenty minutes to the south. I'm 187 00:15:00,200 --> 00:15:03,519 going to stake you out in this holler, and once you're settled, I'm 188 00:15:03,519 --> 00:15:07,200 going to move on and I'm going to set up a couple of hollers away 189 00:15:07,200 --> 00:15:11,559 from you. And then he said, I'll be back to come pick you 190 00:15:11,679 --> 00:15:16,279 up around four o'clock, maybe four thirty, and then we'll head back into 191 00:15:16,320 --> 00:15:20,600 the house, so I said, okay, sounds good. So he left 192 00:15:20,639 --> 00:15:24,679 me there and I got settled in, and before too long, the sun 193 00:15:24,720 --> 00:15:28,279 came up and I'm looking around. This holler I was sitting on was a 194 00:15:28,360 --> 00:15:33,159 huge holler. It was steep sided. You could walk on those slopes, 195 00:15:33,240 --> 00:15:39,279 but you had to pay attention, and there were tons of leaves on the 196 00:15:39,440 --> 00:15:45,480 slopes because it was pretty heavily forested there. Well, I sat there until 197 00:15:45,559 --> 00:15:48,480 afternoon, and I didn't see a single thing. The only thing I really 198 00:15:48,480 --> 00:15:52,200 saw were maybe a couple of squirrels, and that was it. It was 199 00:15:52,279 --> 00:15:58,159 just dead. And then I guess I'm getting ahead of myself. The day 200 00:15:58,159 --> 00:16:00,879 that we got there to his farm, he warned me. He knew how 201 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:03,200 much I loved horses. He said, Okay, this horse over here, 202 00:16:03,240 --> 00:16:07,919 I forgot that horse's name. That horse is fine, but this one over 203 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:11,480 there, his name is Red. Be sure to stay away from Red because 204 00:16:11,480 --> 00:16:14,960 he'll hurt you. He'll kill you. So that stuck in my mind. 205 00:16:15,080 --> 00:16:18,120 Okay, fast forward. I'm sitting up against this huge oak tree on the 206 00:16:18,240 --> 00:16:22,320 side of this huge holler, and it's just a little bit after noon, 207 00:16:23,200 --> 00:16:30,080 and all of a sudden, from what sounded to be like maybe twenty fifteen 208 00:16:30,159 --> 00:16:36,799 twenty feet behind me. I hear this horsewhimmy, this loud horsewhimmy. And 209 00:16:36,879 --> 00:16:38,559 when I heard that, I froze. I thought, oh my gosh, 210 00:16:38,600 --> 00:16:42,440 I thought, what in the world. And then my mind went to red. 211 00:16:42,519 --> 00:16:45,240 I thought, oh my god, is that red? And then I'm 212 00:16:45,279 --> 00:16:48,080 thinking, no, it can't be red, because of how far we walked 213 00:16:48,080 --> 00:16:52,559 away from his house and everything. And then also too, when you consider 214 00:16:52,639 --> 00:16:56,519 the fact that slope was so steep, I would have heard a horse coming 215 00:16:56,559 --> 00:17:00,639 from a mile away. A horse probably couldn't have navigated that slope. And 216 00:17:00,679 --> 00:17:03,480 then also all the leaf litter, I would have heard them coming from a 217 00:17:03,519 --> 00:17:07,839 mile away as well. So the next thing I know is I'm sitting there 218 00:17:07,839 --> 00:17:11,000 trying to figure this out. I hear this loud. You know, horses, 219 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:15,920 when they're trying to clear their nostrils, they'll exhale forcefully and make that 220 00:17:17,079 --> 00:17:22,240 concussive sound because the size of their lungs. There's no way as a human 221 00:17:22,359 --> 00:17:26,319 you can make that sound. But there's like a concussive like a shock. 222 00:17:26,759 --> 00:17:32,200 Because horses obviously can't breathe through their mouths. They only can breathe through their 223 00:17:32,240 --> 00:17:36,480 nostrils, so it's important that they keep their nasal passages clean. That's why 224 00:17:36,480 --> 00:17:41,119 they do that. Well, there was that huge concussive exhalation, and I'm 225 00:17:41,119 --> 00:17:44,680 thinking, oh my god, what was that. That has to be a 226 00:17:44,720 --> 00:17:51,000 horse moving that much air volume. Well, I slowly leaned over to look 227 00:17:51,039 --> 00:17:55,279 around the tree trunk to see if I could see red, because it must 228 00:17:55,279 --> 00:17:59,440 have been read after hearing that exhalation in the winny. Didn't see anything. 229 00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:03,599 Okay, I guess I'll look around the other way. So I leaned over 230 00:18:03,640 --> 00:18:08,240 the other way and look back there there was nothing. Didn't see a thing. 231 00:18:08,680 --> 00:18:14,039 And I'd swear that sound had to be fifteen twenty feet at the most 232 00:18:14,440 --> 00:18:17,559 behind that tree that I was leaning up against, that big oak tree. 233 00:18:17,640 --> 00:18:22,200 So I can't I can't think of what else it could have been besides a 234 00:18:22,279 --> 00:18:26,200 big sasquatch that did that. Again, if you could have heard that concussive 235 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:32,480 exhalation, the volume of that exhalation, there's no way a human could have 236 00:18:32,480 --> 00:18:37,240 approached doing that. It just it had to have been either a horse that 237 00:18:37,400 --> 00:18:41,039 magically could disappear or a sasquatch. So yeah, I'm convinced to this day 238 00:18:41,119 --> 00:18:47,480 that it had to have been a sasquatch encounter. You know that happens a 239 00:18:47,519 --> 00:18:53,440 lot with witnesses, where a lot of encounters with these type things. You 240 00:18:53,559 --> 00:19:02,079 just have to be there and experience it yourself to really convey the situation and 241 00:19:02,400 --> 00:19:08,599 understand because to someone just listening a skeptic, they would say like, oh, 242 00:19:08,680 --> 00:19:11,880 well, you must have been mistaken. It was clearly a horse. 243 00:19:12,119 --> 00:19:17,200 You know, you don't know what you're saying, But whenever you're in situations 244 00:19:17,240 --> 00:19:22,599 like that, it's almost something instinctual inside of us that tells us that's not 245 00:19:22,759 --> 00:19:27,319 right, that that's not a horse, or you know, a dog off 246 00:19:27,319 --> 00:19:33,400 in the distance howling the horse whinny aspect of it is really interesting because you 247 00:19:33,440 --> 00:19:38,440 know, it is a common belief in the bigfoot world that bigfoot do mimic 248 00:19:38,440 --> 00:19:45,240 other animals to kind of mask their presence. Do dogman do the same sort 249 00:19:45,279 --> 00:19:51,400 of thing. I've heard occasions where people have reported hearing what sounded to be 250 00:19:51,480 --> 00:19:56,000 a baby crying. They didn't see the dog men make that vocalization. So 251 00:19:56,160 --> 00:20:00,599 we're never going to know for sure that that's what it was, but there's 252 00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:07,000 evidence out there that points towards dog man possibly making sounds that might be misconstrued 253 00:20:07,039 --> 00:20:12,319 as being a baby crying. But again, we don't know for sure because 254 00:20:12,640 --> 00:20:17,160 I've never spoken with anyone who actually saw a dog man do that, So 255 00:20:17,640 --> 00:20:22,559 I don't know. At the time of your incident, did you mention it 256 00:20:22,599 --> 00:20:26,839 to the property owner or anybody. No, I kept that to myself. 257 00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:33,599 I didn't say that because you'd have to know him. I can't tell you 258 00:20:33,640 --> 00:20:38,640 this. People. I've heard people make convincing horse whinnies, and because of 259 00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:44,799 the pitch, because of the what else, it sounded very convincing. But 260 00:20:44,920 --> 00:20:49,480 the volume wasn't there. When you hear when you're coming back towards the herd 261 00:20:49,559 --> 00:20:56,799 after a long ride and you're on the herd boss and you get within sight 262 00:20:56,880 --> 00:21:03,039 of the herd and he let loose a whinny, you're not going to replicate 263 00:21:03,119 --> 00:21:06,880 that as a human. You just don't have the volume. And that's the 264 00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:10,960 kind of winnie that I heard. It was a forceful whinny. It wasn't 265 00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:15,000 an afterthought. It was loud, it was powerful. And then after that 266 00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:19,759 I heard that concussive whatever the exhalation sound or whatever you want to call it. 267 00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:25,400 But yeah, if it was a horse, that horse had to make 268 00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:26,880 it all the way up to the top of that hollow. This was a 269 00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:33,680 big hollow. It was probably over one hundred feet from behind that tree, 270 00:21:34,039 --> 00:21:38,160 like fifteen to twenty feet behind that tree. To get to the top of 271 00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:42,119 the hollow and out of my sight where I could have seen when I looked 272 00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:45,160 around to the right, and then I looked around to the left, this 273 00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:49,960 horse, this ninja horse, would have had to walk or run through about 274 00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:55,440 a foot of tree trash, you know, leaves and all that stuff leaves 275 00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:59,839 without me hearing it to get out of sight. I would have seen it 276 00:21:59,839 --> 00:22:02,119 to the left, I would have seen it to the right when I looked 277 00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:06,599 either way. You explained it to me. I just don't see what it 278 00:22:06,599 --> 00:22:10,119 could have been besides the Sasquatch. I mean, it doesn't sound like an 279 00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:15,720 environment at all that a horse would wander into on its own without being forced 280 00:22:15,759 --> 00:22:18,319 there for some reason. Like you said, you would have seen it, 281 00:22:18,319 --> 00:22:21,759 you would have heard it, so I would agree. I would agree that 282 00:22:21,799 --> 00:22:26,720 you had a sasquatch encounter for sure, and you might be pretty fortunate to 283 00:22:26,759 --> 00:22:30,759 be able to tell that story to this day. Being out by yourself like 284 00:22:30,839 --> 00:22:36,480 that. Who knows what could have happen. You're right, You're right. 285 00:22:37,079 --> 00:22:41,759 I'm embarrassed to say that it was literally years after the fact, years after 286 00:22:41,839 --> 00:22:48,480 I came to the realization there that that was what I most likely was dealing 287 00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:51,079 with. I don't see how it couldn't have been one. It was years 288 00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:53,559 after coming to that realization though, that I thought, you know, I 289 00:22:53,559 --> 00:22:57,279 don't wonder how long that sasquatch was there watching me. I didn't even think 290 00:22:57,279 --> 00:23:02,039 about that. It might have been there for hours watching me without me knowing 291 00:23:02,079 --> 00:23:11,240 it. Yeah, the reflection is always frightening whenever you start really dissecting events 292 00:23:11,279 --> 00:23:17,599 like that and realizing what might have happened, what was possibly going on, 293 00:23:18,039 --> 00:23:19,880 And like you said, how long it was sitting there watching you? Was 294 00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:25,839 there only one? Were you surrounded? What was on their mind at the 295 00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:27,559 time? Why did it come up that close to you? What was its 296 00:23:27,599 --> 00:23:34,960 intentions? I always reflect back on those type of things for my own experiences 297 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:41,480 and the experiences I hear from others as well. Oh, definitely, I'll 298 00:23:41,519 --> 00:23:45,160 tell you what whatever it had to have been a sasquatch. Like I said, 299 00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:48,799 I didn't see it. I can't make that clean, but to make 300 00:23:48,839 --> 00:23:52,799 the sounds that I heard. It had to have been over had to have 301 00:23:52,839 --> 00:23:59,440 been over eight hundred pounds to make that those sounds to have that kind of 302 00:23:59,519 --> 00:24:03,680 volume, it had to have been over eight hundred pounds guaranteed, had to 303 00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:07,920 have been But I don't know. I didn't see what it was, so 304 00:24:08,759 --> 00:24:12,839 I be guess I can't see definitively. You've, as you stated, and 305 00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:18,599 talked to a lot of witnesses over the years. Is there a story that 306 00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:22,519 a witness has told you that has affected you or kind of stood out more 307 00:24:22,519 --> 00:24:27,319 than others. Well, there have been plenty of stories, plenty of encounters 308 00:24:27,319 --> 00:24:33,319 that stood out and I think, wow, that poor lady that poured me 309 00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:37,680 in. I mean, I've spoken with people, some really tough embres who 310 00:24:38,279 --> 00:24:45,240 they were just rattled to the core from their encounters. One guy, he's 311 00:24:45,279 --> 00:24:48,920 a big guy too. He used to fistfight on the weekends for money, 312 00:24:49,079 --> 00:24:52,960 and not because he wasn't good at it either. This was a big, 313 00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:56,440 tough guy and after having his encounter, I mean, he was just beside 314 00:24:56,559 --> 00:25:03,000 himself. But yeah, the most frightening encounters, the most frightening dog me 315 00:25:03,039 --> 00:25:06,440 and encounters you're never going to hear in the show because well, for a 316 00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:11,559 couple of reasons, maybe several of reasons. Some of these people an understandably 317 00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:15,599 so they're too rattled to be able to share the experience more than once. 318 00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:22,079 They're finding their way getting that experience out to me, all the details shared 319 00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:26,880 with me, and then that's all they can do. Other people they've got 320 00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:30,680 their reasons for not wanting to come on, and there's never any pressure to 321 00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:34,960 come on this show and share an experience. But yeah, there have been 322 00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:40,880 some that have been shared with me in private that Hollywood, they wouldn't even 323 00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:45,119 know what to do with them. So one in particular, if you're looking 324 00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:48,359 for me to share one, there is this poor woman in Oregon who if 325 00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:52,559 I remember right, this was years ago, I think like seven years ago 326 00:25:52,599 --> 00:25:56,319 that she shared this with me. I think she was a security guard or 327 00:25:57,079 --> 00:26:03,599 she just worked over one night at this wood mill, a lumber mill, 328 00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:10,079 and this lumber mill, if I remember right, it budded right up against 329 00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:15,880 this huge forest there in Oregon. Well, she wound up having an encounter 330 00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:21,519 with a dog man while she was smoking a cigarette outside on break. I 331 00:26:21,559 --> 00:26:25,480 don't remember the particulars well enough to really share this encounter. I can just 332 00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:30,839 share the highlights. But she was out back, out back of this huge 333 00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:34,240 building and having a cigarette break, and all of a sudden, this dogged 334 00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:38,759 me. I made its presence known. Well. The door that she ran 335 00:26:40,039 --> 00:26:42,880 in, she didn't have the means to shut it or lock it. All 336 00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:45,599 that she could do was just run into the building and try to hide. 337 00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:53,640 Well, to try to hide, she went up this big steer set of 338 00:26:53,680 --> 00:27:00,720 steers up into this catwalk system, way up in the ceiling of this lumbermill. 339 00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:04,599 And she was hiding somewhere up in the catwalk, and before too long, 340 00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:10,680 she hears these footsteps, bipetal footsteps up there in the catwalk with her. 341 00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:14,799 So it was just literally like something out of the worst corror movie possible. 342 00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:19,759 Well, she's just beside herself trying to decide do I stay put and 343 00:27:19,839 --> 00:27:25,200 take my chances at he might find me, might not find me, or 344 00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:29,559 should I just run go down to the floor hide in the offices. Well, 345 00:27:29,759 --> 00:27:33,839 after I got so close, she decided to bolt, and she went 346 00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:37,920 to the nearest stairs and went down the stairway, went into the offices and 347 00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:45,319 locked herself in the break room. Well, unfortunately, the break room had 348 00:27:45,319 --> 00:27:49,680 this big window that looked out onto the hallway in this building. Well, 349 00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:55,160 she's hiding underneath this table when all of a sudden she hears this was sounded 350 00:27:55,240 --> 00:28:00,680 like a nail tink tink tink tapping on the window, and she thought, 351 00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:03,799 oh my god, is that what I think it is? So she looks 352 00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:07,039 up over the table, just peaks and here are two dog men, a 353 00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:11,720 big one and a smaller one, looking through the window, kind of bearing 354 00:28:11,759 --> 00:28:15,920 their teeth at her. She wasn't sure if they were smiling or snarling or 355 00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:18,920 what, but regardless, they were bearing their teeth. Well, she's thinking, 356 00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:22,599 I'm trapped. That's the only door out of this break room. Are 357 00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:27,000 they going to break through the window, break through the door, come through 358 00:28:27,039 --> 00:28:30,039 the wall, because they're big enough to do that. What are they going 359 00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:36,119 to do? So she stayed in that break room until dawn, and once 360 00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:40,400 it was dawn, she thought, you know what, I forgot this other 361 00:28:40,559 --> 00:28:42,880 security guard's name. But she knew that there was someone who's supposed to be 362 00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:48,759 stationed outside in their car waiting for employees to show up. So she decided 363 00:28:48,799 --> 00:28:51,400 to make a break for it. She ran out of the building. She 364 00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:53,880 threw the door up into the break room, she ran out into the hall, 365 00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:57,720 went down the hall as fast as she could, went charging out the 366 00:28:57,759 --> 00:29:03,160 door. They lead outside. Iiden this guy, he was sitting in his 367 00:29:03,279 --> 00:29:08,240 car. As expected, she went just running up to him, totally beside 368 00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:15,599 herself, just she was a mess, and understandably so she tried telling him 369 00:29:15,599 --> 00:29:19,759 what happened. He didn't believe it, and naturally she never went back. 370 00:29:19,799 --> 00:29:26,720 And yeah, she years later she found out about me and contacted me to 371 00:29:26,799 --> 00:29:30,279 let me know about what had happened to her. But your heart really has 372 00:29:30,319 --> 00:29:33,759 to go out to these people who have these encounters like that. I mean, 373 00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:37,279 how do you have an encounter like that and go to work the next 374 00:29:37,359 --> 00:29:40,640 day? How do you function? So that's what I focus on, talking 375 00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:45,359 with these people and bringing things up that they need to understand about their encounters 376 00:29:45,799 --> 00:29:52,240 about dog men so they can start putting the pieces back together and function in 377 00:29:52,279 --> 00:29:56,039 life again and do what they need to do and actually start to enjoy life 378 00:29:56,039 --> 00:30:03,480 again. That is nightmare fuel. That is absolutely horrifying on so many different 379 00:30:03,519 --> 00:30:10,039 levels. Oh, definitely, a bigfoot encounter is one thing. I mean, 380 00:30:10,599 --> 00:30:12,880 people go out into the woods, you know, they have an encounter 381 00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:19,519 or something they see one they go home. But what you're saying, is 382 00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:26,039 these dog men actually pursued her into the building and then essentially stalked her and 383 00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:33,559 terrorized her. That's right, Beard their teeth at her through that big picture 384 00:30:33,599 --> 00:30:37,519 window, shutting out into the hall. There have been other cases too. 385 00:30:37,039 --> 00:30:41,680 People are normally most traumatized, and understandably so, unless you're talking about a 386 00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:47,880 true face to face encounter when one of these guys is literally within feet of 387 00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:52,920 an eye witness and is doing whatever they can to terrorize this person. But 388 00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:56,039 yeah, normally the people who are most traumatized are the ones that are inside 389 00:30:56,039 --> 00:31:00,400 a building with a dog man. A dog man comes into their home. 390 00:31:00,079 --> 00:31:06,519 There was another eyewitness who he had just bought a home. I think he 391 00:31:06,519 --> 00:31:10,759 had broken up with his wife. He was separated pending divorce. I think 392 00:31:10,799 --> 00:31:15,720 that's the case of what was going on. And he had bought this small 393 00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:19,039 home way out in the country, and he was handy, so he hadn't 394 00:31:19,039 --> 00:31:22,519 work to fix it up. He had it almost ready to live in. 395 00:31:23,039 --> 00:31:26,240 Well, since he worked a full time job, he would work on this 396 00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:33,000 house in his free time after work on the weekends. Well, he had 397 00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:36,160 a whole bunch of tools. Since it didn't have a garage. He put 398 00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:41,960 a bunch of the tools he was using to flip this house to renovate it 399 00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:47,599 in the closet of one of the back bedrooms. Well, he had been 400 00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:49,799 working in the house for a while. It was after dark that night. 401 00:31:49,839 --> 00:31:53,200 This was one night after he got off work and decided to do more work 402 00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:56,160 in the home. He was back in that bedroom, sitting on the bed. 403 00:31:56,359 --> 00:32:02,359 I guess taken a break. Well, the power wasn't I guess nothing 404 00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:07,119 was on in the home, no TVs. So the home was just dead 405 00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:13,400 silent, and he's sitting on the bed and next thing he knew, he 406 00:32:13,519 --> 00:32:17,000 thought he heard a sound that sounded like someone walking trying to sneak through the 407 00:32:17,039 --> 00:32:22,359 living room coming his way. So he just froze. He'd been making a 408 00:32:22,359 --> 00:32:25,000 little bit of noise, but he just froze and just sat there and listened. 409 00:32:25,759 --> 00:32:31,440 For a few moments, there wasn't any sound. And then after that 410 00:32:31,559 --> 00:32:39,000 period of time, he heard the floorally slowly creek, like somebody was in 411 00:32:39,079 --> 00:32:45,920 the house trying to creep his way back to where the bedrooms were. So 412 00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:51,720 when he was sitting there and definitively heard, Okay, someone is walking across 413 00:32:51,799 --> 00:32:55,440 that floor heading this way. All kinds of thoughts are going through his head. 414 00:32:57,319 --> 00:33:00,720 Who is it? Are they trying to rob me or killed me? 415 00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:04,559 Or what? Well, there was a chainsaw, he said, there was 416 00:33:04,599 --> 00:33:08,839 a chainsaw in there was like a pile of tools in that closet there. 417 00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:13,880 That was the most formidable thing that he saw. So he snatched that thing 418 00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:15,599 up. He had been using it, I think he said he had been 419 00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:21,039 using it earlier. So it fired him the first pull. He went charging 420 00:33:21,039 --> 00:33:24,599 out that bedroom door, expecting to come face to face with a person, 421 00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:29,839 some miscreant. Well, it was a juvenile dog man. It was like 422 00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:32,960 a six foot maybe seven foot tall dog man that was in the house that 423 00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:37,279 had been creeping across that floor, the living room floor, heading his way 424 00:33:37,319 --> 00:33:40,440 back to the bedrooms and all. Well, he said he chased it out 425 00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:45,920 of the house with that chainsaw running full on. And I'm thinking, holy 426 00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:49,279 cow, I wonder what it was doing that for if he didn't hear it 427 00:33:49,319 --> 00:33:52,240 coming, what it would have done and all of that. So you talk 428 00:33:52,279 --> 00:33:58,480 about nightmare fuel, that's another one then fits into that category. Is that 429 00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:04,440 a common theme these things stalking humans like prey, Well, it's a common 430 00:34:04,519 --> 00:34:09,280 theme to have them give you the idea that they're stalking people as prey. 431 00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:15,440 But I've literally, like I said, I've spoken with thousands of dog mean 432 00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:19,760 eyewitnesses. And if I had a nickel for every time one of these guys 433 00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:23,119 had an eyewitness dead to rights and had given them every reason to think that 434 00:34:23,119 --> 00:34:27,159 they were going to kill them, but they didn't, They never touched them, 435 00:34:27,599 --> 00:34:30,960 I'd be a rich man now time after time, and I pound this 436 00:34:31,039 --> 00:34:36,239 home when I'm talking with eyewitnesses. I hammered this fact tone with them so 437 00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:40,480 they understand. Look, I realize your encounter was terrifying as all get out. 438 00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:45,440 But when that ten foot dogged me in with the slabber running through or 439 00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:51,199 eleven foot tall dog me and whatever it was that was blacker than black, 440 00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:54,000 with five inch long talons on the tips of his fingers, and he was 441 00:34:54,039 --> 00:34:59,519 standing there just two three feet in front of you, and globulates of slabber 442 00:34:59,599 --> 00:35:04,480 were are pattering in the dirt right in front of your toes. He had 443 00:35:04,519 --> 00:35:08,760 you dead or rights. But if you was the mindless killing machine who would 444 00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:14,559 rip your face off as soon as look at you that you've been thinking of 445 00:35:14,639 --> 00:35:19,119 him as being all these years, we wouldn't be having this conversation, you 446 00:35:19,159 --> 00:35:23,000 were allowed to go without a single hair being harmed on your head. So 447 00:35:23,199 --> 00:35:27,280 yeah, I mean, these guys will do things like that time in and 448 00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:32,320 time out, time and again to create the illusion that they're stalking you, 449 00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:37,280 to create the illusion that you're about to die, because for some sick reason, 450 00:35:37,679 --> 00:35:42,360 they seem to really get their jollies by terrifying people to within a niche 451 00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:45,880 of their lives. And then, in almost every case, once they can 452 00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:50,840 see that's going on, okay, well you have this person's mortified, they 453 00:35:51,079 --> 00:35:54,960 leave. Now. People. I mean, if I had a nickel again 454 00:35:55,039 --> 00:36:00,519 for every time I received a message from someone who wants inform me that, 455 00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:06,360 well, what about the people who are killed by the dog men they encountered. 456 00:36:06,599 --> 00:36:09,199 You're making it out to seem like dogmen never kill anyone. Well, 457 00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:14,119 no, I'm never going to say that dogmen are necessarily safe to be around. 458 00:36:14,159 --> 00:36:17,599 I'm never going to say that dogmen don't kill people from time to time. 459 00:36:17,599 --> 00:36:22,000 But I will tell you the evidence clearly shows that if they do harm 460 00:36:22,079 --> 00:36:27,519 someone, that's definitely the exception and not the rule. If that was a 461 00:36:27,559 --> 00:36:32,480 common occurrence, then you wouldn't have so many people who contact me and who 462 00:36:32,559 --> 00:36:37,960 have contacted me over the years to talk about their experience where they were caught 463 00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:42,559 dead or rights by a dog man in a compromising situation where if the dog 464 00:36:42,599 --> 00:36:45,599 man wanted to kill them, no one in the world would ever know what 465 00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:50,280 happened to them. So yeah, I mean, there are going to be 466 00:36:51,159 --> 00:36:53,760 deviant dog men, just like they're going to be deviant people, horses, 467 00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:59,760 camel, goats. But I tell them this to help bring some comfort. 468 00:37:00,159 --> 00:37:05,000 I point out the fact that if you spoke with thousands upon thousands of people 469 00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:08,440 who have interacted with horses or goats or pigs, you name the animal and 470 00:37:08,519 --> 00:37:14,880 then you ask them, Okay, out of the thousands upon thousands of you 471 00:37:15,199 --> 00:37:20,800 who have interacted with horses, how many of you have been harmed intentionally harmed 472 00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:24,079 by the horse or horses you've dealt with? Well, you know that number 473 00:37:24,119 --> 00:37:28,559 would be in the hundreds. Yes, I was stepped on, I was 474 00:37:28,679 --> 00:37:32,480 kicked, I was run into intentionally, you name it. That number would 475 00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:37,320 be hundreds of attacks. Well with dog men. Over the years I've been 476 00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:44,599 speaking with all these thousands upon thousands of eyewitnesses. The number of credible eyewitnesses 477 00:37:44,599 --> 00:37:47,519 who have ever told me about being harmed by the dog man or dog men 478 00:37:47,599 --> 00:37:52,960 they encountered, is a whopping six or seven. Well, at first, 479 00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:55,360 that's going to make you real and think, oh, six or seven dog 480 00:37:55,440 --> 00:38:00,199 men attacks. That's horrible, and that is. But when you look the 481 00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:06,079 big picture, the numbers tell you that you're safer, You're less likely to 482 00:38:06,119 --> 00:38:09,719 come to harm if you encounter if you're in the presence of a dog man, 483 00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:15,519 then if you're in the presence of a horse. The numbers clearly lay 484 00:38:15,559 --> 00:38:20,119 that out for you. So I get it. They're terrifying as all get 485 00:38:20,159 --> 00:38:24,159 out to look at and to be around, but you can't ignore what the 486 00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:30,199 numbers clearly point out. Now, yeah, there are shows galore. Now 487 00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:34,880 that's the new fad to put on an episode of your show where there's this 488 00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:37,880 dog me an attack, where it's the face eating dog man and all this. 489 00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:44,559 Well, I'm not gonna get on my soapbox too bad on that, 490 00:38:44,679 --> 00:38:51,320 but I'll just say the volume of dog men eye witnesses ideal with is ridiculous. 491 00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:54,840 I don't bat an eye. It's been this way for a long time 492 00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:58,800 now. I don't even bat an eye. If I have three or four 493 00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:04,159 brand new dogmans come in to me in one day from eye witnesses I've never 494 00:39:04,159 --> 00:39:07,599 heard from before. I have had days where I get as many as seven 495 00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:12,400 or eight brand new encounters come in. If I'm dealing with that kind of 496 00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:17,159 volume, and it is literally once in a blue moon when I ever hear 497 00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:22,480 from a credible eyewitness who talks about being harmed attacked by a dog man. 498 00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:27,000 Well, if that's the case, and again I deal with that kind of 499 00:39:27,079 --> 00:39:32,679 volume, how can someone who doesn't deal with nearly the anywhere close to the 500 00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:37,599 volume I deal with, have a dog man attack victim every single time you 501 00:39:37,679 --> 00:39:44,480 turn around. I mean a perfect example of this. Recently, I guess 502 00:39:44,519 --> 00:39:47,559 it's been about six months or so. I had an eyewitness or someone who 503 00:39:47,559 --> 00:39:52,679 claimed to be an eyewitness, who talked about how they're riding a horse when 504 00:39:52,679 --> 00:39:55,519 this dog man, a big dog men came walking up beside them and was 505 00:39:55,599 --> 00:40:00,360 looking in an eye and swatting them off the horse and the ones they were 506 00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:04,480 knocked off the horse and came and stood over them, over him and raked 507 00:40:04,519 --> 00:40:07,320 him across the chest. Well, when he told me that, I said, 508 00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:12,079 wow, that's horrible. Did you take a picture of the wound or 509 00:40:12,119 --> 00:40:15,719 the wounds and he said yes I did. I said, okay, well, 510 00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:17,920 if that's the case, can I see the photo? And then he 511 00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:22,599 said sure so. Not too long after that, I put the pieces in 512 00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:31,360 place where I found two trauma surgeons who work in the Rockies, who I 513 00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:37,840 mean on a regular basis, they operate on people who have been attacked by 514 00:40:37,199 --> 00:40:44,039 large predators, bears, mountain lions. The pieces were put into place where 515 00:40:44,079 --> 00:40:45,800 I was going to be allow I was going to be able to send this 516 00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:52,559 photo to them to get their professional opinion on whether what they saw in this 517 00:40:52,639 --> 00:41:00,719 picture gave the impression of a legitimate large animal attack. And when I asked 518 00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:07,280 this quote unquote eyewitness about doing that, once I had the pieces in place 519 00:41:07,679 --> 00:41:12,000 to be able to send that photo to the trauma surgeons, once I asked, 520 00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:14,519 okay, well, I've got two trauma surgeons who are based in the 521 00:41:14,599 --> 00:41:17,760 Rockies and they'd be happy to take a look at your picture to let me 522 00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:23,320 know to share their professional opinions with me on the validity of your picture. 523 00:41:23,679 --> 00:41:27,639 Would you mind if I sent this picture to them, because I won't send 524 00:41:27,639 --> 00:41:31,519 the picture out without you know, the eyewitnesses approval. When I asked him 525 00:41:31,519 --> 00:41:37,480 about that, he just disappeared, didn't want any part of it. And 526 00:41:37,519 --> 00:41:42,360 that's the way it almost always is. When these people contact me and talk 527 00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:45,639 about being attacked, you know, when you start digging deeper into it, 528 00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:50,480 in almost every case, it just doesn't hold up. I'm not saying again, 529 00:41:50,519 --> 00:41:52,039 I'm not saying at tax don't happen, because you know, I believe 530 00:41:52,079 --> 00:41:58,079 they do. I have spoken with six or seven eye witnesses who I think 531 00:41:58,119 --> 00:42:01,760 they're the real deal. I think they actually attacked, But for being a 532 00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:07,239 regular occurrence, I just don't buy that. I was going to say, 533 00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:12,559 you're talking about the amount of volume that you deal with whenever it comes to 534 00:42:12,599 --> 00:42:21,199 witnesses. I have personally seen you make public statements about someone contacting you trying 535 00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:23,440 to come on the show, but you determined that they were lying to you 536 00:42:23,559 --> 00:42:29,760 or fabricating parts of their story and wouldn't have them on, which is very 537 00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:34,920 commendable. But I just want to point out to the listeners that you're getting 538 00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:42,000 this volume of witnesses. You're in the four hundreds now on your show about 539 00:42:42,119 --> 00:42:46,559 dog Man, and you don't put everybody on the show. That's right, 540 00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:51,360 Yeah, I don't. As you know, you've been doing this for a 541 00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:54,639 long time that I don't need to tell you that. If you can hear 542 00:42:54,719 --> 00:43:00,920 a show about a sasquatch attack, if you can hear a show about especially 543 00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:05,320 about a dog meant attack that sells, that's going to put butts in seats. 544 00:43:05,599 --> 00:43:09,480 If you're monetized, which I am. If you're monetized, then obviously 545 00:43:09,559 --> 00:43:14,360 the more views you get, the more money you put in your pocket. 546 00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:19,239 But when you get into this, you have to make a decision on what's 547 00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:22,280 going to be more important to you, the truth, on what you're putting 548 00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:27,760 out or lining your pockets. So yeah, that's why I do my best 549 00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:34,199 to make sure if I'm putting an encounter route there, that it's truthful. 550 00:43:34,599 --> 00:43:39,760 I would much rather send someone away who in my opinion, is lying than 551 00:43:40,239 --> 00:43:46,920 to bring them on and compromise the truth like that. So yeah, that's 552 00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:51,960 why I do that. So, yeah, that's what's behind that. To 553 00:43:52,079 --> 00:43:55,679 kind of touch on that episode thirty four Dog Mean Encounters, this is related 554 00:43:55,719 --> 00:44:00,559 to that whole thing what we're talking about now. Had a guest Nee Michael 555 00:44:00,639 --> 00:44:04,760 Lawrence. If anyone's listened to many episodes of dog Mean Encounters, I'm sure 556 00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:08,760 they're going to remember Michael. He came an episode thirty four, and he 557 00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:14,159 was also on episode thirty five, but I was to talk about other later 558 00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:19,960 encounters he had. But on episode thirty four he talked about how he went 559 00:44:20,119 --> 00:44:22,480 camping with his boy Scout Troop when he was a kid in the ends of 560 00:44:22,559 --> 00:44:29,519 Brego Desert in California, and he talked about how this juvenile dogged man unzipped 561 00:44:29,519 --> 00:44:32,679 his tent, came into the tent and sat on his legs and actually licked 562 00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:37,079 his face all the while its mother what he thought was its mother, was 563 00:44:37,159 --> 00:44:42,960 standing outside looking down at him through the vent in the roof of his tent. 564 00:44:43,559 --> 00:44:45,599 Well, when I read that report when he sent it into me, 565 00:44:46,159 --> 00:44:50,480 I thought, okay, yeah, I really need to vet this guy to 566 00:44:50,519 --> 00:44:53,559 make sure he's not blowing smoke. Well, yeah, I started throwing. 567 00:44:54,119 --> 00:44:59,519 After some light conversation to kind of break the ice, I thought, okay, 568 00:44:59,559 --> 00:45:01,719 well, it's time to vet him. So I started throwing vetting questions 569 00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:07,400 at him that only someone who had been that close to a bona fide dog 570 00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:12,519 man with know the answers and with no hesitation. I'd love a question, 571 00:45:12,599 --> 00:45:17,519 a vetting question. Instantly the correct answer came firing back. Wow, So 572 00:45:17,559 --> 00:45:24,199 I'd throw another vetting question instantly the correct answer came right back. What's one 573 00:45:24,239 --> 00:45:29,079 plus one? I mean it was like that, so I thought, you 574 00:45:29,119 --> 00:45:32,760 know what, this guy is the real deal here. So what's really funny 575 00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:37,679 is after that episode aired, naturally you've got the Peanut Gallery, You're always 576 00:45:37,679 --> 00:45:44,360 going to have people trolls coming in and wanting to browbeat eyewitnesses. Well, 577 00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:47,840 this isn't t ball. I'm not gonna put eyewitnesses up on a t for 578 00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:52,519 trolls like that to tee off on. But they make comments about how Michael 579 00:45:52,599 --> 00:45:57,079 was lying and all this, and I'm laughing at them, thinking, okay, 580 00:45:57,159 --> 00:46:00,719 yeah you can think that, but no, he's a real deal. 581 00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:06,199 He definitely did have those experiences that he talked about on that show. But 582 00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:09,039 yeah, you're never going to be perfect vetting these people, as you know, 583 00:46:09,159 --> 00:46:13,440 because again you've been doing this for so long, Matt. But I 584 00:46:13,559 --> 00:46:17,960 do the best I can to vet them and only bringing truthful eyewitnesses on. 585 00:46:20,199 --> 00:46:30,920 I have heard stories from some individuals that I trust about witnessing some amazing dog 586 00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:36,360 man evidence that they you know, it doesn't belong to them, It's not 587 00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:42,480 up to them to release it. Was privately shared with them, and they 588 00:46:42,559 --> 00:46:46,440 didn't really go into detail or anything. They just told me how amazing this 589 00:46:46,639 --> 00:46:54,599 stuff was. What some of the amazing evidence that you've seen that's never seen 590 00:46:54,639 --> 00:46:59,519 the light of day or never will see the light of day. I mean, 591 00:46:59,559 --> 00:47:04,519 obviously protect the identities of the witnesses and don't give away anything that you 592 00:47:04,519 --> 00:47:08,000 you know you shouldn't, but like, have you seen some amazing footage or 593 00:47:08,039 --> 00:47:13,599 anything like that? Oh, definitely. Yeah. That's one of the biggest 594 00:47:13,639 --> 00:47:17,360 reasons why I just don't get excited about evidence that's shared with me. Vic, 595 00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:20,559 I've got a photo I want to share. If you've got to see 596 00:47:20,599 --> 00:47:23,039 this, well, yeah, after you've seen what I've seen over the years, 597 00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:28,000 it's not going to blow my socks off if this person wants help dealing 598 00:47:28,039 --> 00:47:30,280 with an encounter by all means. But yeah, I just don't really get 599 00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:35,880 into the pictures or the evidence. But anyway, by far and away, 600 00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:43,239 the most impressive evidence that I've seen was some footage that was I guess what, 601 00:47:43,639 --> 00:47:46,800 eight years ago, this eye witness send it to me. Either he 602 00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:53,159 or another friend of his found out about a dog men or dog men plural 603 00:47:54,039 --> 00:47:58,320 that we're hanging out in this area in the foothills of this yere in Nevada 604 00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:02,639 Mountains, and and I guess to try and get evidence, they strapped this 605 00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:06,679 game cam to a tree trunk. Well, as you know, the more 606 00:48:06,719 --> 00:48:09,559 expensive game cams, you can set them not only to snap photos when they 607 00:48:09,559 --> 00:48:15,199 detect motion, but you can also set them if you want to film. 608 00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:19,760 Well that's what they did. They strapped this expensive game cam or a more 609 00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:24,119 capable game cam to this tree trunk and set it up on film mode. 610 00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:29,199 And then they hungsome bait about five feet away on a branch. Well, 611 00:48:30,239 --> 00:48:32,880 I don't think he ever told me if it was that day or maybe the 612 00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:37,039 next or whatever it was, but yeah, in broad daylight, you could 613 00:48:37,039 --> 00:48:42,599 see this dog man moving from left to right, coming into view full view 614 00:48:42,599 --> 00:48:46,400 of the camera. It walked between the camera lens in the bait that was 615 00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:52,519 hanging out on that branch, so it was literally less than five feet from 616 00:48:52,519 --> 00:48:55,800 the camera lens. It walked into view again from left to right. It's 617 00:48:55,880 --> 00:49:01,679 coat had like a like a timber wolfish coyote ish like color pattern to it. 618 00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:08,119 There were hairs that maybe started out like I guess, you know, 619 00:49:08,239 --> 00:49:14,519 coyotes and timberwolves some of them have here have fur where the fur is kind 620 00:49:14,519 --> 00:49:17,480 of gray towards the body. The further away you get from the body, 621 00:49:17,599 --> 00:49:23,079 the hair strand chanees color to like a brownish and then like a black tip 622 00:49:23,199 --> 00:49:28,039 or something like that. That's the kind of color that this dog men had. 623 00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:30,880 Well, that walked into full view from left or right, and then 624 00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:35,559 it stopped and then it turned to go through the bait. So I got 625 00:49:35,559 --> 00:49:37,719 to see it from the front, I got to see it from the back 626 00:49:37,199 --> 00:49:42,599 and back. Then it wasn't all that long after I had had a conversation 627 00:49:42,679 --> 00:49:47,360 with a gentleman who made a habit out of analyzing sasquatch footage. Well, 628 00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:55,559 I contacted him and Richard Dye I think is his name. I think his 629 00:49:55,679 --> 00:50:00,039 name is Richard Dy. I think he was on episode six of dogg Me 630 00:50:00,039 --> 00:50:05,719 and Encounters. But anyway, Yeah, I asked the eyewitness or the person 631 00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:07,960 who sent me the film footage, would it be okay if I shared this 632 00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:16,920 footage privately with a gentleman who on a regular basis analyzes footage of sasquatch, 633 00:50:17,639 --> 00:50:22,159 And he said sure, by all means. So I sent the private YouTube 634 00:50:22,159 --> 00:50:27,719 link of this film footage to him, and it just blew his socks off, 635 00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:30,119 just like a blew mine off. He thought, Holy cow. So 636 00:50:30,239 --> 00:50:34,760 yeah, we were talking on the phone while we were both watching this video 637 00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:38,199 footage at the same time. So yes, not just a situation where I 638 00:50:38,199 --> 00:50:42,559 was the only person who looked at this. Again, I think his first 639 00:50:42,599 --> 00:50:45,320 name is Richard, and I'm pretty darn sure his last name is Eady. 640 00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:51,159 He saw it too, We both looked at it, and that's by far 641 00:50:51,199 --> 00:50:53,920 and away the most impressive footage. Now. I've had photos that have been 642 00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:59,000 shared with me that would just literally if I hadn't seen that film footage, 643 00:50:59,159 --> 00:51:02,599 the photos would well, the photos still blew my socks off because they were 644 00:51:02,599 --> 00:51:06,719 so impressive. I mean, if you take your dog on a sunny afternoon, 645 00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:10,239 let your dog out the back door, the backdoors slams, and then 646 00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:15,360 you pull up your camera and snap a photo when the dog is literally like 647 00:51:15,639 --> 00:51:24,960 maybe twenty feet from the back door. That's how clear the picture or pictures 648 00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:30,320 I'm talking about are. So These people who say just because they haven't seen 649 00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:35,960 any impressive dog me unrelated evidence. These people who say, well, yeah, 650 00:51:36,039 --> 00:51:38,000 dog men aren't real, they're not out there, because if they were 651 00:51:38,199 --> 00:51:43,519 there'd be impressive evidence to support their existence. Well, guess what, there 652 00:51:43,719 --> 00:51:47,719 is very impressive evidence, you just haven't seen it. So for someone to 653 00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:53,920 come to that conclusion because I haven't seen that footage that evidence that means they 654 00:51:53,960 --> 00:52:04,039 can't be extant, that's just it's just ridiculous. You're also extremely familiar and 655 00:52:04,119 --> 00:52:10,320 active in the Bigfoot world and a veteran of the Bigfoot world, and over 656 00:52:10,360 --> 00:52:19,639 the years we have seen a growing in the paranormal Bigfoot belief in claims. 657 00:52:21,079 --> 00:52:28,039 Is there a paranormal element to dogman stories? Do witnesses claim does see things 658 00:52:28,039 --> 00:52:32,280 that can't be explained biologically like they do with Bigfoot? Oh? Yeah, 659 00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:38,880 all the time. You've got encounters that range from there aren't any details in 660 00:52:38,920 --> 00:52:47,119 the encounters that point towards idea that what they encountered was anything more extraordinary than 661 00:52:47,599 --> 00:52:54,280 a rabbit or a wool for whatever, no ethereal qualities, whatsoever. Then 662 00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:59,719 you've got other people that are in the far end of that, on the 663 00:52:59,719 --> 00:53:05,320 other into the spectrum where if what they told you about their encounters is true, 664 00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:09,239 then there's no getting around the fact that what they encountered had to be 665 00:53:09,800 --> 00:53:15,599 from the ether, had to be of supernatural origins, So yeah, it 666 00:53:15,639 --> 00:53:20,599 does run the gamut with them, just like it does with sasquatch. Do 667 00:53:20,639 --> 00:53:27,320 you have stories of cloaking or mind speak and things of that nature. Oh 668 00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:31,920 yeah, yeah, definitely all the above. Plenty of encounters were very credible. 669 00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:38,199 Eyewitnesses talked about cloaking dog men and and mine speak to That's not rare 670 00:53:38,280 --> 00:53:43,840 at all. That's been reported plenty of times as well. So yeah, 671 00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:46,960 everything that you hear from the big foot side, you pretty much hear from 672 00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:53,480 the dog inside as well. I've ran across a lot of witnesses who have 673 00:53:53,599 --> 00:54:00,480 had big foot encounters, have multiple big foot encounters, and have experienced other 674 00:54:00,679 --> 00:54:07,239 unexplained phenomenon in their lifetime. Is it the same way with dogman witnesses. 675 00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:10,320 Do you ever talk to them about have you ever seen a ghost or a 676 00:54:10,440 --> 00:54:15,000 UFO or a bigfoot or do they have multiple dogman encounters over a period of 677 00:54:15,039 --> 00:54:20,920 time. Yeah. Once someone has a dog mean encounter, that does seem 678 00:54:20,920 --> 00:54:25,440 to open up the door to future encounters. It's not always the case. 679 00:54:25,760 --> 00:54:30,039 Most people who see dogmen don't have another encounter. At least it's been my 680 00:54:30,119 --> 00:54:36,400 experience that that's the case. But yeah, It's not uncommon at all for 681 00:54:36,519 --> 00:54:40,719 people to contact me who've had two, three, four or more encounters with 682 00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:46,239 these guys. So it does seem like someone who's had an encounter before is 683 00:54:46,280 --> 00:54:52,199 more likely to have another encounter than someone who's never seen one. It's like 684 00:54:52,239 --> 00:54:58,159 a door is opened up for some reason. What's your take. I know 685 00:54:58,239 --> 00:55:04,440 you've heard some of these firsthand. I'm sure that there seems to be with 686 00:55:04,559 --> 00:55:09,920 Dogman a lot of stories of military or government involvement. You know, you 687 00:55:10,039 --> 00:55:19,599 hear stories about these special task forces going out and eradicating dogmen that are dangerous 688 00:55:19,760 --> 00:55:24,079 or whatever. Is there some sort of government involvement or cover up going on 689 00:55:24,159 --> 00:55:30,960 with the dogman phenomenon. Well, I'm convinced that there is a government cover 690 00:55:30,119 --> 00:55:36,039 up, that the government will do anything and everything in its power to keep 691 00:55:36,079 --> 00:55:39,079 their existence under wraps, because if they did lift that cat out of the 692 00:55:39,159 --> 00:55:45,400 bag, I've got no doubts that it would collapse our economy, it would 693 00:55:45,400 --> 00:55:49,519 collapse the whole world's economy as far as that goes, because if you think 694 00:55:49,559 --> 00:55:54,039 about it, if it was allowed to be officially accepted, that guess what, 695 00:55:54,679 --> 00:55:59,159 in a force near you, there is every possibility that something that looks 696 00:55:59,199 --> 00:56:04,360 like a giant were wolf is hiding, is living. If that was allowed 697 00:56:04,400 --> 00:56:07,639 to get out of the bag, what lumberjack is going to want to go 698 00:56:07,679 --> 00:56:13,440 out there into the forest and run a noisy chainsaw for ten twelve hours out 699 00:56:13,440 --> 00:56:16,679 of the day where they can't hear or see anything that's going on behind them. 700 00:56:17,360 --> 00:56:22,920 And people who harvest other things in the forest that we rely on on 701 00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:28,639 a day to day basis, not just talking about lumber for houses, buildings, 702 00:56:28,800 --> 00:56:36,519 other things, but medicine. Think about how many medicines are actually derived 703 00:56:36,639 --> 00:56:40,280 from plants in the forest. Well, that's gonna falter because no one's gonna 704 00:56:40,280 --> 00:56:44,840 want to go and harvest this type of plant, that type of plant when 705 00:56:45,199 --> 00:56:47,599 they know that they might encounter a dog men out there. No, thank 706 00:56:47,639 --> 00:56:52,239 you so. And then also too, I'll do you one better than that. 707 00:56:52,280 --> 00:56:54,840 Who's going to want to live anywhere close to a forest when they know 708 00:56:54,960 --> 00:56:59,480 that, okay, well in that forest, there's every possibility that one of 709 00:56:59,480 --> 00:57:05,559 those dog me and things might be there. So it would just cause our 710 00:57:05,639 --> 00:57:10,079 way of life to falter almost literally almost overnight. So yeah, I've got 711 00:57:10,079 --> 00:57:14,840 no doubts whatsoever. The government will do everything in its power to keep their 712 00:57:14,840 --> 00:57:20,559 existence under wraps. As far as these government programs where you hear this show 713 00:57:20,679 --> 00:57:27,119 talk about mister Blue and you know I used to work for the dog Men 714 00:57:28,360 --> 00:57:31,000 whatever team and all this, I think that's just trying to put butts and 715 00:57:31,079 --> 00:57:36,199 seats. If you had a position with the government where you were privy to 716 00:57:36,280 --> 00:57:39,360 that type of information, it would not be good for your health to go 717 00:57:39,400 --> 00:57:46,559 on a podcast and broadcast that they would find you. If you did that, 718 00:57:46,719 --> 00:57:52,039 they would find you and they would put a stop to that, guaranteed. 719 00:57:52,599 --> 00:57:55,639 So I don't buy into any of this where you have all this conspiracy 720 00:57:55,719 --> 00:57:59,639 theory stuff coming on this show or that show. I just don't buy that 721 00:57:59,679 --> 00:58:04,360 for us. Second, I'm convinced that's just an attempt to line pockets, 722 00:58:04,599 --> 00:58:09,119 to put butts and seats, because again, lining your pocket or pockets is 723 00:58:09,159 --> 00:58:14,840 more important to you than the truth. At the end of each of my 724 00:58:14,960 --> 00:58:22,159 episodes, I kind of do this tagline, there's something in the woods internally 725 00:58:22,719 --> 00:58:27,400 that has a different meaning than how it comes across. Whenever I had my 726 00:58:27,440 --> 00:58:31,679 first big foot encounter, one of the first things that came to mind whenever 727 00:58:31,719 --> 00:58:37,800 I was breaking it down and processing it was that oh my god, this 728 00:58:37,840 --> 00:58:40,800 thing isn't supposed to exist, and I just saw one. It's real, 729 00:58:42,079 --> 00:58:46,599 it actually exists. And then that was followed by, wait a minute, 730 00:58:47,199 --> 00:58:52,239 if it's real, what else is out there? What else exists that's not 731 00:58:52,280 --> 00:58:58,840 supposed to be real? And you know from some of our very early talks 732 00:58:59,280 --> 00:59:05,800 with one another, they're about Dogman. I was extremely skeptical. I've never 733 00:59:05,800 --> 00:59:12,599 seen one, and the idea of a giant bipedal canine type creature, I 734 00:59:12,679 --> 00:59:15,519 mean, sure werewolves, you know, I get it, but like, 735 00:59:15,119 --> 00:59:19,960 that can't possibly be real. Now it's years later, and I've talked to 736 00:59:20,000 --> 00:59:22,480 a lot of people, and I've talked to some people that I trust very 737 00:59:22,559 --> 00:59:28,320 much. I obviously have a great deal of respect for you and your judgment 738 00:59:28,360 --> 00:59:34,280 and your experience. I'm no longer so much on the fence as just someone 739 00:59:34,280 --> 00:59:39,840 who hasn't had their own personal experience. There's definitely something out there. There 740 00:59:39,880 --> 00:59:43,599 could be a lot of things out there, So I think a lot of 741 00:59:43,639 --> 00:59:50,039 the cover up stuff isn't necessarily about covering up Bigfoot or covering up Dogman. 742 00:59:50,440 --> 00:59:54,960 As much as there's monsters out there, there's things out there that you have 743 00:59:55,039 --> 00:59:59,639 no idea what's out there, And if we admit to this one, everybody's 744 00:59:59,639 --> 01:00:04,039 going to are asking about all these others and just figuring out that there's other 745 01:00:04,079 --> 01:00:07,079 things out there besides that. I think it would change the perspective and the 746 01:00:07,199 --> 01:00:12,599 dynamic of the entire world. Like you're saying, I don't think it's this 747 01:00:12,880 --> 01:00:15,599 or that. I think it's a whole slew of things, just like you 748 01:00:15,639 --> 01:00:21,000 were saying. You know, it's always boils down to money and control and 749 01:00:21,000 --> 01:00:23,599 power at the end of the day. But I don't think it's necessarily just 750 01:00:24,440 --> 01:00:32,800 this faction or this faction. I think it would create great instability and everything. 751 01:00:35,039 --> 01:00:38,000 Oh no, I agree. I couldn't agree more. Think about the 752 01:00:38,039 --> 01:00:43,960 religious side of it, the effect it would have on religious on things. 753 01:00:44,039 --> 01:00:49,119 And this just goes so much further above and beyond the whole spotted awl angle. 754 01:00:49,559 --> 01:00:52,880 You've got people who say, well, the spotted alphenomenon, that's why 755 01:00:52,920 --> 01:00:55,800 the government doesn't want this to get out. It's so much deeper than that. 756 01:00:57,719 --> 01:01:02,440 It's so much above and beyond at behind why the government would be crazy 757 01:01:02,559 --> 01:01:07,400 to let it out of the bag. If these guys sasquatch and dog men, 758 01:01:07,719 --> 01:01:15,159 especially dogmen exist but yeah, I mean, just imagine a world just 759 01:01:15,280 --> 01:01:19,639 overnight if it was allowed to get out. Wake up tomorrow and on the 760 01:01:19,719 --> 01:01:23,320 news it's officially allowed to get out of the bag, that these guys are 761 01:01:23,360 --> 01:01:28,119 really out there. Like you said, people are gonna try and process that, 762 01:01:28,440 --> 01:01:30,760 and it's not going to be too long before we, like you said, 763 01:01:30,760 --> 01:01:32,800 they're going to start to wonder what else is out there. So it 764 01:01:32,880 --> 01:01:39,760 would really be a morass if a government allowed it to get out after all 765 01:01:39,760 --> 01:01:49,159 these years. What are your thoughts on LBL. I noticed that fairly recently 766 01:01:49,280 --> 01:01:52,440 a new LBL witness came forward after all these years. I think they were 767 01:01:52,519 --> 01:01:58,239 claiming to be a deputy involved in the investigation at the time or something like 768 01:01:58,280 --> 01:02:00,880 that. I'm not real positive on that, but what are your thoughts. 769 01:02:00,920 --> 01:02:07,559 Do you think the famous story of the LBL dogman massacre is true? You 770 01:02:07,639 --> 01:02:13,079 know what, after talking with so many people, I think that probably did 771 01:02:13,239 --> 01:02:16,199 happen. But there have been so many things that have been brought out after 772 01:02:16,239 --> 01:02:23,360 that that were, in my opinion, situations where people tried to kind of 773 01:02:23,400 --> 01:02:30,519 glom onto that perfect example, as you know, being in the Sasquatch community 774 01:02:30,599 --> 01:02:32,840 the way you are, you know, full well that a few years ago 775 01:02:34,639 --> 01:02:39,239 someone came out and claimed they claimed that they were there the day that the 776 01:02:39,320 --> 01:02:44,599 family was murdered in that RV and then the daughter, of course was found 777 01:02:44,960 --> 01:02:51,519 hanging in that tree dead. But someone came out and made the claim that 778 01:02:51,639 --> 01:02:57,880 they were there. Well, obviously, naturally there was a huge buzz about 779 01:02:57,920 --> 01:03:02,199 that. But I've got this policy when it comes to talking with eyewitnesses. 780 01:03:02,599 --> 01:03:07,480 If I catch you in one lie, how can I trust you to be 781 01:03:07,519 --> 01:03:13,199 telling me the truth about anything else? If I catch you lying about this 782 01:03:13,320 --> 01:03:16,400 or that, well, how can I trust that you're telling me the truth 783 01:03:16,440 --> 01:03:21,519 about even having your dog me an encounter. What I'm getting at here is 784 01:03:21,599 --> 01:03:25,639 that quote unquote eyewitness who claimed to be an eyewitness who claimed to be there 785 01:03:25,719 --> 01:03:32,760 that day and saw his family supposedly Master heard. Well, I don't know 786 01:03:32,800 --> 01:03:38,519 how long it was after he came out and claimed to be there that he 787 01:03:38,719 --> 01:03:49,679 contacted me. He contacted me and told me that I knew that about maybe 788 01:03:49,760 --> 01:03:54,639 a year a year and a half ago, that he had gone on a 789 01:03:54,840 --> 01:04:02,400 show, a podcast, another podcast and made a about how people were asking, 790 01:04:02,440 --> 01:04:05,559 well, why didn't you take this up with Vic and whatever or something 791 01:04:05,599 --> 01:04:09,719 like that I don't listen to that podcast, but it was brought to my 792 01:04:09,800 --> 01:04:15,400 attention. Well, he said something about me being a liar and whatnot, 793 01:04:15,199 --> 01:04:19,559 that I tell lies and all this, and I guess I don't have any 794 01:04:19,559 --> 01:04:26,039 credibility. Well, some time after that, he actually contacted me and told 795 01:04:26,039 --> 01:04:30,199 me he apologized for saying that. And I'm thinking, of the whole time, 796 01:04:30,239 --> 01:04:32,880 I've never spoken with you, So how can you make that claim? 797 01:04:33,000 --> 01:04:38,440 Number One, I'm not a liar. Number two, I never have had 798 01:04:38,480 --> 01:04:42,880 a conversation with you. Period. Well, he contacted me, apologizing for 799 01:04:42,960 --> 01:04:47,960 saying that on that podcast because the person who hosted that podcast and some other 800 01:04:47,960 --> 01:04:54,920 people who worked that podcast coerced him into saying that about me. So I'm 801 01:04:54,960 --> 01:04:58,800 thinking, okay, Well, if you came out and said that something that 802 01:04:58,840 --> 01:05:01,440 you didn't know was true, that is, in it's own way, a 803 01:05:01,519 --> 01:05:06,719 lie, Then how can I trust anything that you're saying? How can I 804 01:05:06,760 --> 01:05:11,239 believe that you were actually there that day when you claim to have been there 805 01:05:11,239 --> 01:05:15,800 and witnessed this supposed murder. Again, I'm not saying the murder didn't happen, 806 01:05:15,400 --> 01:05:19,559 but yeah, because of what I'm sharing with you now, that's why 807 01:05:19,559 --> 01:05:25,159 I don't believe what he claimed to be the truth. I don't believe that 808 01:05:25,360 --> 01:05:29,719 was the truth. I could be wrong, but that's the reasoning behind why 809 01:05:29,719 --> 01:05:33,280 I just don't believe him when he came out and he claimed that he was 810 01:05:33,320 --> 01:05:36,920 there that day. Again, as far as the whole LBL murder there with 811 01:05:38,280 --> 01:05:43,960 r the family being found in the RV, I think it probably did happen. 812 01:05:44,599 --> 01:05:48,159 I think the bow a Hunter murder probably did happen, finding out what 813 01:05:48,239 --> 01:05:54,000 I've found out over the years. But if I was a betting man, 814 01:05:54,159 --> 01:06:00,280 i'd probably put eighty five percent on yes, they both did happen, in 815 01:06:00,480 --> 01:06:05,480 just fifteen percent on no, they didn't happen. Have you spoken with anybody 816 01:06:08,320 --> 01:06:14,719 credible in the law enforcement or military that has had their own dog man encounter? 817 01:06:15,039 --> 01:06:18,079 Oh? Yeah, yeah, definitely. In most cases, though, 818 01:06:18,079 --> 01:06:25,880 when someone is in law enforcement or military, especially active duty, in most 819 01:06:25,920 --> 01:06:30,880 cases p obvious reasons, it's in their best interest not to come forward and 820 01:06:30,960 --> 01:06:33,599 put it out there. But yeah, I have spoken with my fair share 821 01:06:33,639 --> 01:06:40,880 of people that that are military, people who are in law enforcement about their 822 01:06:40,880 --> 01:06:45,400 experiences. I had one eye witness. It was a bonus episode called nightmare 823 01:06:45,400 --> 01:06:50,800 experience. He was a police officer who was called out to this mobile home 824 01:06:51,280 --> 01:06:55,880 way out in the country because this guy who lived there in that mobile home 825 01:06:55,960 --> 01:07:01,679 had an encounter and he wanted help someone to come out and and render assistance. 826 01:07:02,199 --> 01:07:06,679 So he went out there and took a look around, and he actually 827 01:07:06,679 --> 01:07:11,679 wound up seeing an eight footer. This one was actually eight feet when it 828 01:07:11,760 --> 01:07:15,440 was down on all fours. Its arms were noticeably longer, which is often 829 01:07:15,519 --> 01:07:20,679 the case. Its arms were noticeably longer than its back legs. But he 830 01:07:20,840 --> 01:07:25,320 said that even down on all fours like that, it was still eight feet 831 01:07:25,320 --> 01:07:29,360 tall. So it was probably one of the twelve footers that he actually saw 832 01:07:29,440 --> 01:07:32,519 that day, twelve feet on its back legs. But yeah, he is 833 01:07:32,519 --> 01:07:39,000 a perfect example of law enforcement contacting me to tell me about an encounter. 834 01:07:39,079 --> 01:07:45,800 They had the typical generic big foot question that gets asked to everybody. I'm 835 01:07:45,800 --> 01:07:49,840 now going to ask you about dogmat What are they? What do you think 836 01:07:49,880 --> 01:07:57,000 they are? That's a million dollar question. If you do what I do 837 01:07:57,159 --> 01:08:00,280 for any period of time, it's only now natural that you're going to bounce 838 01:08:00,360 --> 01:08:05,880 back and forth from at one minute, one moment being convinced that they have 839 01:08:05,920 --> 01:08:12,559 to be flesh and blood because why would an ethereal being drink nasty, stagnant 840 01:08:12,639 --> 01:08:16,840 water out of a moss covered pond. Why would an ethereal being eat fetid 841 01:08:16,920 --> 01:08:23,399 road kill off the side of the road, or have a situation where credible 842 01:08:23,399 --> 01:08:29,479 eyewitnesses see dog man pops two feet tall, standing two feet tall right there 843 01:08:29,560 --> 01:08:33,199 next to a full grown dog man. Why would that happen if you're looking 844 01:08:33,199 --> 01:08:39,199 at a supernatural being or supernatural beings. And then, on the other hand, 845 01:08:40,479 --> 01:08:44,159 how could they be flesh and blood? If they're able to cloak, 846 01:08:44,479 --> 01:08:50,960 if they're able to mind speak, if they're able to turn into a ball 847 01:08:51,000 --> 01:08:57,279 of light an orb So yes, just natural. You bounce back and forth 848 01:08:58,039 --> 01:09:01,880 from one moment to the next, being convinced that this is a case. 849 01:09:02,000 --> 01:09:06,399 Okay, now maybe that's the case. So yeah, I can't tell you 850 01:09:06,439 --> 01:09:12,439 what they are. All I can do is just tell you what's been shared 851 01:09:12,479 --> 01:09:16,800 with me and whatnot. That's about all I can do. One final question 852 01:09:16,840 --> 01:09:21,520 before we get out of here. Dog man versus big foot? Who wins? 853 01:09:25,079 --> 01:09:27,680 Well, it depends on what you're talking about. If you're talking about 854 01:09:27,720 --> 01:09:31,520 a twelve foot dog man versus a twelve foot sasquatch, then yeah, because 855 01:09:31,560 --> 01:09:35,000 of the weaponry, I'd still see the dog man. But if you're talking 856 01:09:35,039 --> 01:09:41,800 about an eight foot dog men versus a twelve foot sasquatch, then yeah, 857 01:09:41,840 --> 01:09:45,359 my money would definitely be on the sasquatch. Think about it. Would you 858 01:09:46,119 --> 01:09:51,960 take a two hundred twenty pound men two hundred forty pound man? Okay, 859 01:09:53,359 --> 01:09:57,239 I don't care how tough you are. Is that two hundred thirty pound man 860 01:09:57,319 --> 01:10:00,199 two hundred forty pound men? Is he can to get the warm and fuzzies 861 01:10:00,439 --> 01:10:04,399 when he thinks about the possibility of being locked in the twelve twelve foot room 862 01:10:04,880 --> 01:10:10,399 with one hundred ten pound rod wiler. No, not at all. And 863 01:10:10,520 --> 01:10:15,600 guess what. Rotwilers don't have three four or five inch long talons on the 864 01:10:15,640 --> 01:10:18,159 tips of their fingers and on the tips of their toes. They don't have 865 01:10:18,199 --> 01:10:25,600 the intelligence of these dog men. So it doesn't even have to be a 866 01:10:25,640 --> 01:10:30,399 twelve foot dog man and the twelve foot sasquatch. I wouldn't be surprised if 867 01:10:30,520 --> 01:10:34,560 a nine foot dog man could take out a twelve foot sasquatch. Strength is 868 01:10:34,600 --> 01:10:39,359 really impressive in a fight, but it's only going to do so much if 869 01:10:39,359 --> 01:10:43,800 someone has a knife or a knife in both hands, and their jaws are 870 01:10:44,199 --> 01:10:49,239 lined with big sharp teeth. If that person is quite a bit smaller than 871 01:10:49,279 --> 01:10:56,039 you and you're unarmed, even though you're quite a bit stronger than that adversary, 872 01:10:56,159 --> 01:11:01,399 you're still giving up a lot to them in that fight. So that's 873 01:11:01,399 --> 01:11:08,399 why I think dogmen definitely have an advantage in a fight with a sasquatch if 874 01:11:08,399 --> 01:11:13,560 the sizes are even close. Are they known to run impacts like dogs? 875 01:11:13,640 --> 01:11:17,840 Is that something that's even known well? Dogmen have been seen in groups. 876 01:11:17,960 --> 01:11:23,640 But if you think about it, large predators not talking about lines, of 877 01:11:23,680 --> 01:11:29,319 course, because that's different. They deal with game. Herds of will to 878 01:11:29,399 --> 01:11:34,319 beasts and zebras and whatnot. They deal with an abundance of game that you're 879 01:11:34,359 --> 01:11:39,319 not going to see over here in North America for the most part. But 880 01:11:40,479 --> 01:11:45,159 herds true herds. But if you think about it, a large predator like 881 01:11:45,319 --> 01:11:49,960 that, it's in their best interest not to hang out in numbers. Wolves 882 01:11:50,479 --> 01:11:59,399 they hang out together in a group because the game they dispatch, it requires 883 01:12:00,079 --> 01:12:04,359 numbers to dispatch that prey. Whether you're talking about elk or a moves or 884 01:12:04,399 --> 01:12:09,239 a bison, you name it, it takes numbers to take that prey down, 885 01:12:09,560 --> 01:12:13,640 or if you're talking about mule deer or whatever kind of deer, Okay, 886 01:12:13,640 --> 01:12:17,359 instead of requiring strength to take down that prey, you're looking at teamwork 887 01:12:17,439 --> 01:12:23,520 to tire out that mule deer. Well with dog men, they have the 888 01:12:23,600 --> 01:12:28,119 speed and strength to dispatch anything they come across, whether you're talking about a 889 01:12:28,159 --> 01:12:32,199 bison, draft horse, you name it. They don't need help. They 890 01:12:32,199 --> 01:12:38,000 can do just fine on their own without any help. And if they did 891 01:12:38,079 --> 01:12:41,039 hang out numbers, then all of a sudden, before you know it, 892 01:12:41,079 --> 01:12:45,760 they've depleted the resources in any given area that much quicker, requiring them to 893 01:12:45,880 --> 01:12:50,159 move on to another area. So, in my opinion, it's in their 894 01:12:50,159 --> 01:12:55,520 best interest, just like grizzly bear, just like a tiger, it's in 895 01:12:55,560 --> 01:13:03,000 their best interest to only hang out alone. Unless you're talking about mating or 896 01:13:03,319 --> 01:13:08,159 maybe some other reason why they're going to come together, it's in their best 897 01:13:08,199 --> 01:13:13,560 interest to have a situation where they do live alone. Almost all the time, 898 01:13:14,600 --> 01:13:16,560 they have been seen in numbers, though I can't say that they haven't 899 01:13:16,920 --> 01:13:21,560 because there have been credible eyewitnesses who have reported seeing groups of them. There 900 01:13:21,640 --> 01:13:26,920 is one eyewitness who he lived in a mobile home park at the time. 901 01:13:27,479 --> 01:13:30,439 It was like two in the morning something like that, and he heard this 902 01:13:30,640 --> 01:13:33,680 what he thought was a lady screaming in the woods behind the mobile home park. 903 01:13:33,760 --> 01:13:38,119 So he grabbed a bat headed out the back door, head in. 904 01:13:38,319 --> 01:13:42,079 I think he went into the woods down this path that had been cut through 905 01:13:42,079 --> 01:13:45,079 the forest that a lot of people in the area would use. Well, 906 01:13:46,159 --> 01:13:49,880 after he went some distance into the woods, he didn't see anyone. He 907 01:13:49,960 --> 01:13:53,640 didn't hear anything, didn't hear the woman. So he thought, okay, 908 01:13:53,680 --> 01:13:58,239 well, maybe I was just dreaming and imagined it. So he turned around 909 01:13:58,239 --> 01:14:01,039 to walk back to his trailer, and when he did that, he saw 910 01:14:01,159 --> 01:14:05,119 three dogmen on one side of the path, three dogmen on the other side, 911 01:14:05,159 --> 01:14:12,920 he said, And there wasn't anything back the way, the opposite direction 912 01:14:13,079 --> 01:14:16,560 from his home, nothing but more woods. So he was a religious man. 913 01:14:16,680 --> 01:14:19,600 He just said a prayer, kept his head down, and just walked 914 01:14:19,680 --> 01:14:25,520 right down the path, he said, between the six dogmen to get home. 915 01:14:25,920 --> 01:14:28,319 They were close, close enough to touch him, but he said, 916 01:14:28,319 --> 01:14:33,520 they never did touch him. So can you imagine that? No way? 917 01:14:33,600 --> 01:14:38,840 Yeah, I mean, I guess he didn't have a choice. But geez, 918 01:14:40,239 --> 01:14:43,880 I agree, Vick. I appreciate it man, thank you so much 919 01:14:44,000 --> 01:14:47,119 for coming on. Tell the good folks where they can find you. Well, 920 01:14:47,159 --> 01:14:50,920 you're welcome about coming on, glad to do it. As far as 921 01:14:51,319 --> 01:14:56,359 listening to my shows, I've got four podcasts. I've got dog Me and 922 01:14:56,479 --> 01:15:00,960 Encounters, which if you go to dog Me and Encounters, that's the website 923 01:15:01,000 --> 01:15:04,439 for the show, you can find out how to listen everything you'd like to 924 01:15:04,479 --> 01:15:09,960 know about this show and about Dogman there. And then I've got two bigfoot 925 01:15:09,960 --> 01:15:14,680 shows. My newest bigfoot show was called My Bigfoot Sighting. If you go 926 01:15:14,800 --> 01:15:20,439 to my Bigfoot Sighting dot com you can find out how to listen to the 927 01:15:20,520 --> 01:15:27,159 show and everything like that. 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If you want to check out that show, then please go to 936 01:16:15,560 --> 01:16:27,439 my PS and paul A r a Ex dot com my Pierax dot com. 937 01:16:27,479 --> 01:16:30,119 If you go there to the website again, you'll find links for how to 938 01:16:30,159 --> 01:16:34,640 listen and all of that. But having said all that, Mad, it's 939 01:16:34,680 --> 01:16:38,279 been a great time. Thank you so much for having me on, and 940 01:16:38,680 --> 01:16:43,159 I'm looking forward to having you on Bigfoot eye Witness Radio. Come to mention 941 01:16:43,199 --> 01:16:48,199 it, Yeah, gonna make an appearance on the Little Bigfoot Eyewitness Radio show. 942 01:16:48,279 --> 01:16:53,039 I'm looking forward to it. Man. Like I said, you know, 943 01:16:53,079 --> 01:16:57,119 I've been wanting to have you on forever. I always enjoy talking to 944 01:16:57,159 --> 01:17:01,000 you, man, and I've once again enjoyed this conversation. I feel like 945 01:17:01,039 --> 01:17:08,479 I've learned quite a few things about dogman and dogmen encounters. And if you've 946 01:17:08,479 --> 01:17:13,199 had an encounter and would like to share with me, email me at Bigfootcrossroads 947 01:17:13,199 --> 01:17:16,319 at gmail dot com. Check out the website Bigfootcrossroads dot com. You can 948 01:17:16,359 --> 01:17:20,399 find links to the social media, a place to file a report, links 949 01:17:20,399 --> 01:17:25,159 to the merchandise, all the good stuff, and until next time, remember 950 01:17:25,800 --> 01:17:29,319 there's something in the woods and it might just be a dog man.