WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.680 --> 00:00:06.360 Coming to you from Studio a Ho Ho Ho. It's time for the Gardening 2 00:00:06.440 --> 00:00:13.160 Simplified Show with Stacy Hervella me Rick Weisten, our engineer and producer Adrianna Robinson 3 00:00:13.320 --> 00:00:18.399 Today. Well, to celebrate the holidays Christmas time, we'll talk garden tainment. 4 00:00:18.559 --> 00:00:21.559 It's just a word I made up. But do you listen to music 5 00:00:21.679 --> 00:00:25.239 while gardening? Well, if you do, it's likely that at some point 6 00:00:25.839 --> 00:00:30.679 over the past year, you've listened to Fleetwood Mac's song Dreams. Now I 7 00:00:30.719 --> 00:00:35.479 say that because Stacey I looked at some research here and it analyzed one hundred 8 00:00:35.479 --> 00:00:42.399 and sixteen thousand, twenty one songs added to one thousand Spotify playlists with gardening 9 00:00:42.840 --> 00:00:48.439 in the title, and Fleetwood Mac's Dreams came out on top, with Van 10 00:00:48.600 --> 00:00:53.600 Morrison's Brown Eyed Girl following a close second. Well, Adriana approves. Adriana 11 00:00:53.640 --> 00:00:57.240 is a Fleetwood Mac fan, so she is very excited. Now I do 12 00:00:57.320 --> 00:01:00.439 have to say this is interesting. I do have a gardening playlist, but 13 00:01:00.479 --> 00:01:03.359 it's not called gardening isn't in the title, so I think no, it's 14 00:01:03.359 --> 00:01:10.079 called plants Songs to plant plants to, So you know, flutwood Max Dreams 15 00:01:10.120 --> 00:01:12.920 is not on sid playlist. But I'm also just saying they are excluding a 16 00:01:12.920 --> 00:01:18.120 lot of other potential gardening playlists by limiting it just to those with Garden in 17 00:01:18.120 --> 00:01:21.120 the time. I agree, and on today's Gardeningtainment Show, we're going to 18 00:01:21.200 --> 00:01:23.400 help you with a few additional songs to add to your list. Now. 19 00:01:23.439 --> 00:01:27.879 Of course, Dreams is a great song. I was released the year I 20 00:01:27.959 --> 00:01:33.280 graduated from high school nineteen seventy seven. Was that so? Yeah? And 21 00:01:33.319 --> 00:01:37.200 Stevie next, of course, her voice just perfect for that song. I 22 00:01:37.200 --> 00:01:41.680 guess, just like any other great song I was reading that she sat down 23 00:01:41.760 --> 00:01:45.599 at a keyboard or piano and wrote it in ten minutes, so that's kind 24 00:01:45.599 --> 00:01:47.879 of how it usually worked. There are a number of those. There's also 25 00:01:47.920 --> 00:01:51.959 a number of great songs that were much more laborious, but those don't make 26 00:01:52.000 --> 00:01:56.480 such a good story. Yeah, like some of Beethoven's works. But we're 27 00:01:56.519 --> 00:01:59.719 going We're not going down that road today. Now. One of my favorite 28 00:01:59.719 --> 00:02:02.359 Garden songs. I love the beginning of this song for me, it has 29 00:02:02.400 --> 00:02:07.959 a great history, and that's Lynn Anderson's I Never Promised You a Rose Garden. 30 00:02:07.439 --> 00:02:10.439 I love that song. Now there are people who claim that I loved 31 00:02:10.479 --> 00:02:16.240 the song because I got a chance to meet Lynn Anderson and I was just 32 00:02:16.280 --> 00:02:22.599 a youngster and she autographed a black and white picture for me and handed it 33 00:02:22.639 --> 00:02:25.319 to me. And the impact that it made on me, which is a 34 00:02:25.360 --> 00:02:31.080 great reminder for me to this day as adults, the things we say, 35 00:02:31.199 --> 00:02:36.520 the things we do, or when we help out a kid, it's amazing 36 00:02:36.560 --> 00:02:40.199 the impact that it can have on them years and years later, even though 37 00:02:40.240 --> 00:02:43.840 you didn't think it was any big deal. It's you know, it's one 38 00:02:43.879 --> 00:02:46.680 of those things that if you think about too much, you start to get 39 00:02:46.680 --> 00:02:51.479 a little freaked out. Exactly exactly, Well, there's got to be a 40 00:02:51.479 --> 00:02:53.960 little rain sometime. I could promise you a thing like diamond rings, but 41 00:02:54.000 --> 00:02:59.520 you don't find roses growing on stalks of clover. Now. Another song that 42 00:02:59.599 --> 00:03:02.599 I have my playlist is Jerry Reid. I love Jerry Reid, and he 43 00:03:02.680 --> 00:03:07.240 had a song called stop and Smell the Flowers. I had a friend who 44 00:03:08.039 --> 00:03:15.360 suddenly passed away one week before. This friend gave me a Jerry Reid CD 45 00:03:15.800 --> 00:03:20.960 with this song on the CD, Smell the flowers while the roses bloom, 46 00:03:21.319 --> 00:03:24.520 Take the time my friend and sing a happy tune. Oh how precious every 47 00:03:24.520 --> 00:03:28.759 mile. So take a minute, learn to smile, my friend. Let's 48 00:03:28.759 --> 00:03:32.080 stop a while and smell the flowers. That stuck with me obviously because of 49 00:03:32.120 --> 00:03:35.960 what happened. So that's on my list. That's a good one. Yeah, 50 00:03:35.960 --> 00:03:37.840 I love Jerry. I kind of wish you would have brought your guitar 51 00:03:37.879 --> 00:03:39.800 and we could have had a little bit of live demo for these, for 52 00:03:39.919 --> 00:03:46.560 these, that's true. Maybe sometime we'll do that. Carol King, Carol 53 00:03:46.639 --> 00:03:50.479 King, I Feel the Earth Move. Now, if you're out in your 54 00:03:50.520 --> 00:03:53.479 garden or your landscape, wouldn't that be a great song to listen to, 55 00:03:53.520 --> 00:03:54.840 that one't you? Yeah? Very good? I Feel the Earth Move. 56 00:03:54.919 --> 00:03:59.800 And Jimmy Buffett, of course, I like any Jimmy Buffett song. And 57 00:04:00.360 --> 00:04:02.639 a number of people may not know when you take a look at Jimmy Buffett's 58 00:04:02.680 --> 00:04:09.439 albums in the credits, there are a number of songs where he credits Marvin 59 00:04:09.479 --> 00:04:15.360 Gardens not the location on your Monopoly board game, but he and a lot 60 00:04:15.399 --> 00:04:19.879 of people feel it's a pseudonym. He just an alter ego of Jimmy Muffett, 61 00:04:20.240 --> 00:04:25.639 and he would put Marvin Gardens on his album. And let me give 62 00:04:25.680 --> 00:04:30.000 you another quick one. A minute here Elvis Presley poke Salad Annie the first 63 00:04:30.040 --> 00:04:33.079 time it came up on the show, actually because I love the song and 64 00:04:33.160 --> 00:04:36.759 I really like Elvis. So what's other songs that you'd have on your well? 65 00:04:36.800 --> 00:04:39.680 So, like I said, I do you have a gardening playlist? 66 00:04:39.920 --> 00:04:42.399 And I don't, you know, add stuff to it all the time. 67 00:04:42.439 --> 00:04:46.040 And I have to say, I don't usually listen to music when I garden. 68 00:04:46.079 --> 00:04:47.439 And the reason for that is because I'm kind of all over the place, 69 00:04:48.079 --> 00:04:50.160 you know, and so we have speakers in our garage, and we 70 00:04:50.160 --> 00:04:54.319 can put a little speaker on our back patio, So for in those areas, 71 00:04:54.319 --> 00:04:56.920 we'll definitely be listening to music. But like when I'm out in the 72 00:04:56.959 --> 00:04:59.639 garden, you know, I don't want to just bug the neighbors when I'm 73 00:04:59.639 --> 00:05:02.439 not sitting there. Not that I listened to it that loud, but you 74 00:05:02.480 --> 00:05:05.079 know, I'll listen to whatever. I usually just play whatever that well so 75 00:05:05.160 --> 00:05:08.639 it won't stop and I don't have to go back up and change it. 76 00:05:08.720 --> 00:05:14.160 But in my gardening playlist some expected tunes. But I was looking at your 77 00:05:14.160 --> 00:05:16.240 list and I have some that you did not have. So there is a 78 00:05:16.279 --> 00:05:20.959 Mountain by Donovan Okay, you know. First there is about uh oh, 79 00:05:21.000 --> 00:05:25.759 sorry, I forget how it goes, but oh no, no, no, 80 00:05:26.160 --> 00:05:29.439 look upon my garden. It's a snail, that's what it is. 81 00:05:29.560 --> 00:05:34.279 So sixties jam Dead Flowers by the Rolling Stones always one of my favorites for 82 00:05:34.600 --> 00:05:42.000 especially for driving to the nursery in January. Love It My Blue Heaven by 83 00:05:42.000 --> 00:05:45.720 Fats Domino, So just a beautiful song done by so many people. One 84 00:05:45.720 --> 00:05:48.720 of my all time favorite American songbook songs because it's about, you know, 85 00:05:48.800 --> 00:05:54.680 sort of having the perfect domestic bliss area. You're driving up to it or 86 00:05:54.720 --> 00:05:57.120 walking up to it at the end of a long day and you just have 87 00:05:57.199 --> 00:06:00.279 this feeling like there's roses, there's a cozy fire, like this is why 88 00:06:00.319 --> 00:06:03.360 I do everything that I do. And it's just a beautiful tune. And 89 00:06:03.399 --> 00:06:08.079 his is particularly peppy for a good gardening playlist. Now you know you're gonna 90 00:06:08.079 --> 00:06:12.120 appreciate this one. The Bug Song by Stomping Tom Conyers. Oh you know 91 00:06:12.199 --> 00:06:15.920 that one? Yeah, oh yes, yugs, bugs bugs. If I 92 00:06:15.959 --> 00:06:20.639 had them all in jugs, I dig the whole frod world's dug and I 93 00:06:20.639 --> 00:06:25.519 could see someone like you really liking that song. Yeah, it's a comic 94 00:06:25.639 --> 00:06:29.399 song, but you know, appreciating insects. Yes, and then I do 95 00:06:29.480 --> 00:06:31.560 have some newer songs on there, but I didn't want to come off to 96 00:06:31.560 --> 00:06:35.319 be like, oh, I'm too cool to for anyone to know this music. 97 00:06:35.360 --> 00:06:38.839 So I'm not getting into like the deep cuts on the list. But 98 00:06:38.879 --> 00:06:44.240 I did want to mention one called avant Gardner by Courtney Barnett, so a 99 00:06:44.439 --> 00:06:47.600 very it's actually a very troubling story. She wakes up in the morning and 100 00:06:47.639 --> 00:06:50.600 decides she's going to clean up yard. It's a very hot day. She 101 00:06:50.600 --> 00:06:57.759 has an asthma attack that the ambulance comes. You can tell it's very autobiographical, 102 00:06:58.199 --> 00:07:00.000 but in the end she's like, I probably have stayed in bed and 103 00:07:00.040 --> 00:07:02.519 not tried to garden. But it's still a good story. And it's called 104 00:07:02.560 --> 00:07:08.519 avant Gardner. So I also have a very lengthy, much more in depth 105 00:07:08.560 --> 00:07:12.600 birding playlist. Oh I'll bet you do. I'll bet you do. And 106 00:07:12.639 --> 00:07:15.079 I thought, you know, I would mention that since Birdman is joining us 107 00:07:15.160 --> 00:07:19.240 late. Yes, in our fourth segment today, Branching News is mocking bird 108 00:07:19.279 --> 00:07:23.160 on that list because it is Yeah, okay, there's you know, there's 109 00:07:23.160 --> 00:07:26.839 always some unexpected ones, but it's the ones that you don't expect that make 110 00:07:26.879 --> 00:07:29.800 a playlist really interesting in my opinion. Well, with mine, I think 111 00:07:29.800 --> 00:07:34.800 it's expected because my list basically dates me. You know, I throw additional 112 00:07:34.839 --> 00:07:39.160 ones in there. You remember Neil Diamond, you don't bring me flowers? 113 00:07:39.240 --> 00:07:42.839 Oh yeah, right? Well was that was that Neil Diamond? That's Neil 114 00:07:42.920 --> 00:07:46.759 Diamond saying a duet with oh yeah, Barber Straissan. I don't know, 115 00:07:46.920 --> 00:07:49.079 I could have been. I don't know. I remember hearing it like in 116 00:07:49.079 --> 00:07:51.879 the vackseat of my mom's car when I was like four. I'm sure if 117 00:07:51.920 --> 00:07:57.360 I'm wrong, we'll be corrected on this. So Scott mackenzie, San Francisco, 118 00:07:57.519 --> 00:08:01.079 be sure to wear flowers in your hair. See Eels and Cross Summer 119 00:08:01.120 --> 00:08:05.920 Breeze. Of course, Simon and Garfuncle did a whole album Parsley Sage, 120 00:08:05.040 --> 00:08:11.279 Rosemary in Time, Classic Right and Again to date Myself, Ricky Nelson Garden 121 00:08:11.319 --> 00:08:16.839 Party, Tony Orlando and Dawn tie a yellow ribbon round the Old Oak Tree, 122 00:08:16.879 --> 00:08:20.959 and Tom Jones Green Green Grass of Home. I mean, great title, 123 00:08:20.000 --> 00:08:24.800 but that's a very depressing song, so veryferos so maybe not the best 124 00:08:24.800 --> 00:08:26.959 for a gardening playlist. When you're out there in a beautiful day and you 125 00:08:28.000 --> 00:08:31.560 know this song about a guy in prison comes on in all of his regret 126 00:08:31.879 --> 00:08:35.120 exactly. Well, then let's talk about gifts just for a moment. Here 127 00:08:35.159 --> 00:08:39.960 best garden gifts. I still think number one is a gift card. It 128 00:08:39.000 --> 00:08:41.879 may sound boring, but, like we've talked about on this show, potting 129 00:08:41.919 --> 00:08:45.720 soil is expensive, well, you know, and also I think when you 130 00:08:45.759 --> 00:08:48.039 know someone who's a gardener, you might think, oh, I want to 131 00:08:48.080 --> 00:08:50.360 get them X y Z, but I don't know what they have, I 132 00:08:50.360 --> 00:08:52.960 don't know what they like. And the gift card kind of says I want 133 00:08:52.960 --> 00:08:56.480 you to get what you like most and know that it's from me exactly exactly. 134 00:08:56.679 --> 00:09:03.399 Gloves, pruner's comfortable clothing, kneelers or seats, a tumbler with a 135 00:09:03.399 --> 00:09:05.759 lid. O, Hey, you want to take an adult beverage out there 136 00:09:05.840 --> 00:09:09.559 while you're weeding, you know, to make to wile the time away. 137 00:09:09.559 --> 00:09:13.919 Attack ning is thirsty work. It's thirsty work. Turtle box or any type 138 00:09:13.960 --> 00:09:18.240 of weather proof Wi Fi speakers so you can listen to those songs, right, 139 00:09:18.879 --> 00:09:22.399 Pottery, a lantern, tools to cut ornamental grasses. You can never 140 00:09:22.480 --> 00:09:28.919 get enough tools to cut ornamental grasses, watering wands, sun hats, sunglasses, 141 00:09:28.960 --> 00:09:31.639 and a great stocking stuffer is seed packets. Oh yeah, very good. 142 00:09:31.679 --> 00:09:35.399 You know what a hat? Gardeners can never have too many hats. 143 00:09:35.440 --> 00:09:37.639 They just have to have good sun protection and then you're golden. Well. 144 00:09:37.639 --> 00:09:41.919 On next week's show, we're going to talk about resolutions, and I'm going 145 00:09:43.000 --> 00:09:46.960 to bemoan the state of my garden shed and the resolution that I have in 146 00:09:48.000 --> 00:09:50.480 the coming year. And we'll be talking about that next week, but even 147 00:09:50.519 --> 00:09:56.600 this week too. We're interested as we head towards New Year's we celebrate Christmas 148 00:09:56.600 --> 00:10:01.440 and the holidays. We're interested in your resolutions. Please send them to us 149 00:10:01.039 --> 00:10:05.759 however you wish, Instagram, YouTube, or email us, visit our website. 150 00:10:05.919 --> 00:10:09.679 We want to hear what your resolutions are and Stacy, for that matter, 151 00:10:11.200 --> 00:10:13.120 share with us what your favorite garden song. Yeah, help us fill 152 00:10:13.120 --> 00:10:16.919 out our gardening playlists. It sounds great. Plants on trial coming up next 153 00:10:18.159 --> 00:10:28.279 here on the Gardening Simplified Show. Proven Winners. Colored Choice Shrubs cares about 154 00:10:28.320 --> 00:10:31.679 your success in the garden. That's why we trial and test all of our 155 00:10:31.720 --> 00:10:35.720 shrubs for eight to ten years, making sure they outperform everything else on the 156 00:10:35.720 --> 00:10:39.720 market. Look for them and the distinctive white container at your local garden center. 157 00:10:41.679 --> 00:10:45.600 Greeting's gardening friends, and welcome back to the Gardening Simplified Show. It's 158 00:10:45.600 --> 00:10:48.159 the time of the show where we put a plant on trial. That is 159 00:10:48.200 --> 00:10:50.600 to say, we're going to tell you about one of the proven winner's color 160 00:10:50.720 --> 00:10:52.360 choice shrubs. We're going to tell you all about it, and it's up 161 00:10:52.399 --> 00:10:56.519 to you to decide if it's going to earn a spot in your garden. 162 00:10:56.799 --> 00:10:58.679 Let's do it so you know, I always like to tie it to the 163 00:10:58.720 --> 00:11:03.159 feet of the show, and you know, over time, you got a 164 00:11:03.200 --> 00:11:09.080 plant that sings if the wind hits it right. Okay. We have often 165 00:11:09.360 --> 00:11:13.000 been asked why so many of our plants have been named after classic rock tunes, 166 00:11:13.559 --> 00:11:18.759 and the answer is that Tim Wood, our marketing director, is a 167 00:11:18.759 --> 00:11:22.600 big fan of classic rock, and you know, he's came up similar hu 168 00:11:22.679 --> 00:11:26.240 in the seventies, and so he's had a lot of those. Some of 169 00:11:26.279 --> 00:11:31.679 our songs with or some of our plants with really seventies classic rock song titles 170 00:11:31.799 --> 00:11:35.559 have been dropped or changed. So I was kind of spoiled for choice. 171 00:11:35.600 --> 00:11:39.360 But the one that I went with because it's also appropriate for this time of 172 00:11:39.440 --> 00:11:43.600 year. Is White Album Winter Creeper interesting? And I'm looking forward to this 173 00:11:43.639 --> 00:11:46.519 because I'm not familiar with the plant. Okay, yeah, well, so 174 00:11:46.679 --> 00:11:50.759 winter creeper is definitely not one of those plants where people get super excited. 175 00:11:52.039 --> 00:11:54.799 I mean, if you're not getting excited, Rick, that doesn't vode well 176 00:11:54.840 --> 00:11:58.399 for the rest of of our audience. But I have to say it's it's 177 00:11:58.399 --> 00:12:03.960 a good it's a workaday plant. Now, it's very durable, and it's 178 00:12:03.960 --> 00:12:07.360 a broad leaf evergreen. So we just talked last week about broad leaf evergreens. 179 00:12:09.120 --> 00:12:13.279 So these are evergreen plants that aren't conifers. They have literally broad leaves, 180 00:12:13.799 --> 00:12:16.679 but they keep their foliage. Now, this is one that in very 181 00:12:16.720 --> 00:12:20.799 cold weather, the foliage doesn't look great. So it's not going to be 182 00:12:20.799 --> 00:12:24.080 those one of those ones where you look out in your backyard in say the 183 00:12:24.159 --> 00:12:26.600 end of January, and you go, whoa, that looks amazing. But 184 00:12:26.720 --> 00:12:33.240 it's got glossy foliage. And White Album has got its name because it's variegated 185 00:12:33.279 --> 00:12:37.360 and it's a very nice crisp white with a deep green color, So like 186 00:12:37.399 --> 00:12:43.320 a crisp white edge with a green section in the middle. And what I 187 00:12:43.360 --> 00:12:46.440 really like about it is that it brings a lot of light to the shaded 188 00:12:46.480 --> 00:12:50.879 areas. It's also got a very versatile habit, so people who have grown 189 00:12:50.879 --> 00:12:54.080 winter creeper might have noticed this. They bought it in the garden center and 190 00:12:54.159 --> 00:12:58.320 it was growing like a nice, tidy little shrub. They get it, 191 00:12:58.320 --> 00:13:01.039 they put it in the backyard. A couple years later, they see it 192 00:13:01.120 --> 00:13:03.759 starting to kind of climb up a tree and they're like, what just happened? 193 00:13:05.000 --> 00:13:07.039 And that is what they do. So they grow shrubby until they reach 194 00:13:07.120 --> 00:13:11.600 something that they can climb. Now, they're not going to climb up into 195 00:13:11.639 --> 00:13:13.559 the heights of the tree. It's really they're only going to climb you know. 196 00:13:13.919 --> 00:13:16.200 White album reaches one and a half to two feet tall, so it's 197 00:13:16.200 --> 00:13:20.440 really only going to go up about two feet. But used correctly, I 198 00:13:20.480 --> 00:13:26.320 have seen that be a very effective visual thing in a garden because it kind 199 00:13:26.360 --> 00:13:31.320 of brings the ground up onto a tree and so really adds a lot of 200 00:13:31.399 --> 00:13:35.639 color. I have that experience in my landscape. I have just a typical 201 00:13:35.720 --> 00:13:41.879 green, broad leaved yuanis and it grew up the side of a pine tree 202 00:13:41.600 --> 00:13:46.879 pretty significantly, and the birds use it for cover all the time. And 203 00:13:46.960 --> 00:13:50.799 so at this time of the year when we long for anything living, anything 204 00:13:50.879 --> 00:13:54.679 green, that uanimous is fantastic. And the birds hang out in it. 205 00:13:54.759 --> 00:13:58.879 And you take that green euanimous and have a few red cardinals in there. 206 00:14:00.039 --> 00:14:03.360 Ooh, it's eye popping. That sounds beautiful. And you know, speaking 207 00:14:03.399 --> 00:14:07.080 of its beauty, it's a really nice plant. At this point in the 208 00:14:07.120 --> 00:14:09.120 season, the cold has not gotten to it enough where its foliage is kind 209 00:14:09.120 --> 00:14:13.279 of started to degrade in quality. So it would be a perfect plant to 210 00:14:13.399 --> 00:14:16.799 just take a little snip to put on, you know, napkin place settings, 211 00:14:18.399 --> 00:14:22.960 just to accent whatever holiday decor you're doing. Now again, as the 212 00:14:22.960 --> 00:14:24.759 season goes on and it gets really cold and the plant's been through a bunch 213 00:14:24.799 --> 00:14:28.519 of freezing and thawing kind of cycles, it's foliage. It doesn't look bad. 214 00:14:28.559 --> 00:14:33.600 It just doesn't have that like beautiful, glossy look anymore. And that's 215 00:14:33.639 --> 00:14:35.600 and that's totally normal. A lot of other broad leaf evergreens do that because, 216 00:14:37.120 --> 00:14:39.840 as we talked about last week, most broad leaf evergreens tend not to 217 00:14:39.879 --> 00:14:43.320 be from cold climates. They can just sort of tolerate it. Here, 218 00:14:43.320 --> 00:14:46.879 they definitely prefer the warmer climates because they got those big broad leaves losing water 219 00:14:46.879 --> 00:14:50.159 all winter, like your rhododendrons in the way they mope this time of the 220 00:14:50.519 --> 00:14:54.600 exactly moping rhododendrons. That's a good name for a song, by the way, 221 00:14:56.960 --> 00:15:03.840 right now. So White Album Winter Creeper you want to miss? Fortunii 222 00:15:03.080 --> 00:15:07.519 is the botanical name is different. There's a lot of you want to miss 223 00:15:07.519 --> 00:15:11.600 for Tuni eyes out there, and Ricky mentioned one. You mentioned a plain 224 00:15:11.679 --> 00:15:16.120 green one that's very common. There's also a golden one. We have gold 225 00:15:16.120 --> 00:15:18.279 Splash you want to miss, which is another version. And then White Album. 226 00:15:18.320 --> 00:15:22.440 So White Album is an improvement over a classic variety that I know, 227 00:15:22.519 --> 00:15:26.480 you know, Emerald Gaiety. Sure, so that thing has been around for 228 00:15:26.519 --> 00:15:31.320 my word the Garden Center. We sold thousands. Yeah, I mean it's 229 00:15:31.399 --> 00:15:35.360 you want to talk about a landscape staples, it's right up there. So 230 00:15:35.480 --> 00:15:37.240 it's foliage is bigger, and so it's going to have more of a bold 231 00:15:37.279 --> 00:15:43.000 look. It's the color. The white part of it is much whiter and 232 00:15:43.080 --> 00:15:48.240 brighter, so emerald gaiety can kind of go creamy, and the difference between 233 00:15:48.240 --> 00:15:52.440 the white and the green is much more distinctive. So some variegation things get 234 00:15:52.480 --> 00:15:56.440 a little bit like swirly and kind of muddy. And in this one, 235 00:15:56.440 --> 00:16:00.759 you're going to see like that really strong distinction between the white portion in the 236 00:16:00.759 --> 00:16:03.720 green portion, almost like a hosta. You know, typically there's a very 237 00:16:03.759 --> 00:16:10.159 noticeable difference between there. It's also less susceptible to leaf spot. Oh and 238 00:16:10.240 --> 00:16:11.960 a lot of euonymous do get leaf spots, so they're going to have like 239 00:16:12.000 --> 00:16:17.440 a you know, black yucky spot on them. Because they are an evergreen, 240 00:16:17.559 --> 00:16:18.600 it's very easy for that to spread. You know, a lot of 241 00:16:18.639 --> 00:16:23.320 times when something gets leaf spot, what we recommend is that the person clean 242 00:16:23.399 --> 00:16:26.799 up all the foliage when it drops to prevent the leaf of the fungal leaf 243 00:16:26.799 --> 00:16:30.759 spot from overwintering on that fallen foliage and reinfecting. When it's a broad leaf 244 00:16:30.759 --> 00:16:33.960 evergreen, what are you going to do because it's got its foliage. So 245 00:16:33.960 --> 00:16:37.200 it's important to have this leaf spot resistance to keep your plant looking really clean 246 00:16:37.279 --> 00:16:41.080 and nice all season. I don't want to put you on the spot, 247 00:16:41.120 --> 00:16:45.039 but it is plants on trial, So I have to ask this question when 248 00:16:45.080 --> 00:16:48.360 I think about euanymous. Sometimes I think, eh, scale, scale, 249 00:16:48.440 --> 00:16:52.159 Yeah, so scale. Now, I will try not to go off about 250 00:16:52.200 --> 00:16:59.759 scale because I ass but I knew it. Scale is actually kind of a 251 00:16:59.759 --> 00:17:03.519 dis gusting past. But it's fascinating, and we talked about this. We 252 00:17:03.559 --> 00:17:07.720 had a it is fascinating. We had a guard a mailbag question from someone 253 00:17:07.720 --> 00:17:11.480 who had scale very badly on their tropical hibiscus. I think it was as 254 00:17:11.519 --> 00:17:15.599 I recall, So, yes, euantymis does get scale, and it's really 255 00:17:15.640 --> 00:17:18.960 one of those things that's just like, it's just what it does. Sure, 256 00:17:19.000 --> 00:17:23.279 so there's really not much that can be done as long as the plant 257 00:17:23.480 --> 00:17:27.079 is, you know, kept really healthy and vigorous, so you're not trying 258 00:17:27.079 --> 00:17:32.640 to grow it in conditions where it would be further struggling. Most of the 259 00:17:32.680 --> 00:17:36.880 scale is going to remain at a pretty tolerable level, and like a lot 260 00:17:36.920 --> 00:17:41.119 of scales, just because it's on the euanomis doesn't mean it's gonna spread to 261 00:17:41.160 --> 00:17:42.359 anything else. You Know, a lot of times people see a pest or 262 00:17:42.400 --> 00:17:45.920 a disease in the landscape and they start freaking out, thinking it's gonna spread 263 00:17:45.920 --> 00:17:51.079 to everything. But the reality is that a number of things like scale and 264 00:17:51.160 --> 00:17:56.279 leaf spot are actually very specific. They only infect a certain genus of plants 265 00:17:56.680 --> 00:17:59.559 or group of plants. They're not like a generalist where they're just gonna it's 266 00:17:59.559 --> 00:18:02.599 gonna spread through your garden like wildfire. Because I mean, if that we're 267 00:18:02.640 --> 00:18:04.400 going to happen, it would probably have already happened for most people. So 268 00:18:06.400 --> 00:18:10.480 not much you can do about scale. As we told that listener who had 269 00:18:10.519 --> 00:18:14.839 it on her hibiscus scale can be managed with something non toxic, like a 270 00:18:14.880 --> 00:18:18.680 soap or an oil, but the timing is really crucial because the scale, 271 00:18:18.720 --> 00:18:23.000 the adult insects just kind of settles in there. The babies come out and 272 00:18:23.039 --> 00:18:27.079 they're under the protection of the little mother scale. Then they have become crawlers 273 00:18:27.119 --> 00:18:30.920 and they crawl and it's only in that crawler stage that you can actively manage 274 00:18:30.920 --> 00:18:36.079 it. Why because the scale is sitting there with this kind of protective armor 275 00:18:36.119 --> 00:18:40.359 on it that makes it impervious. So but you know, like I said, 276 00:18:40.400 --> 00:18:41.480 all you want to miss will get it. Most people might not even 277 00:18:41.559 --> 00:18:45.400 notice that theirs has it because it will it's you know, down under the 278 00:18:45.440 --> 00:18:48.559 leaves, and because it is an evergreen, it's not really visible. But 279 00:18:48.839 --> 00:18:52.839 I would say on a scale of one to ten. You nailed it, 280 00:18:52.960 --> 00:18:56.279 and I would agree. I think it's important to note what you said, 281 00:18:56.279 --> 00:19:00.039 Stacey, because I've seen this through the years and that as a uanimis that 282 00:19:00.200 --> 00:19:04.519 is under stress is generally the type that you have a scale problem. Yeah, 283 00:19:04.519 --> 00:19:07.160 and it's going to really explode. Like it can have a small population 284 00:19:07.240 --> 00:19:11.400 and you won't really notice it. But if it does get stressed, you 285 00:19:11.440 --> 00:19:15.119 know, that's when it's really going to proliferate. So important to have those 286 00:19:15.119 --> 00:19:18.839 good conditions. The mythical moist but well drained soil always a good idea. 287 00:19:19.039 --> 00:19:23.240 It is shade tolerant, you want good air circulation for it. So that's 288 00:19:23.279 --> 00:19:29.279 another really important part of scale, good air circulation because if it's exposed, 289 00:19:30.119 --> 00:19:33.240 natural enemies can come get the crawlers when they are out from under the protection 290 00:19:33.400 --> 00:19:37.799 of the mother. So you know, there's so many plants that people think 291 00:19:38.039 --> 00:19:41.319 are you know, hard to grow or susceptible, but really it's just a 292 00:19:41.319 --> 00:19:45.680 matter of keeping plants healthy and vigorous. And a number of plants will have 293 00:19:45.799 --> 00:19:48.799 pests on them and we won't even know because as long as the plant is 294 00:19:48.839 --> 00:19:52.960 healthy and growing vigorously, they kind of stay under control. We see this 295 00:19:52.079 --> 00:19:56.640 a lot with something like a plant that we grow outdoors in the summer and 296 00:19:56.680 --> 00:19:59.200 then bring in in the winter, and everyone says, oh my gosh, 297 00:19:59.200 --> 00:20:00.880 all these bugs came. No, the bugs were there all along. It's 298 00:20:00.960 --> 00:20:04.640 just that now the plant is stressed, trying to readapt to your house, 299 00:20:04.759 --> 00:20:11.400 and the bugs are like party time plants stressed time to shine. Hey, 300 00:20:11.400 --> 00:20:15.200 Stacy, what I love about this Yuanimus too is for me at least sun 301 00:20:15.359 --> 00:20:18.799 two shade. I mean it's quite flexible as far as light ist, Yes, 302 00:20:18.839 --> 00:20:22.519 it's very flexible. And you know, like I said, I love 303 00:20:22.559 --> 00:20:26.480 it in the shade because it adds so much color and lightness, and I 304 00:20:26.480 --> 00:20:30.759 think anytime you get that white in a deep shade situation, it just really 305 00:20:30.799 --> 00:20:33.000 livens it up and makes you want to go there. And it's a great 306 00:20:33.000 --> 00:20:37.079 plant to pair with bulbs. Plant bulbs up under there and them get the 307 00:20:37.079 --> 00:20:41.440 color intermixing. So it is hardy from USA zones five through eight, so 308 00:20:41.599 --> 00:20:45.720 pretty okay range there full departs son and about one and a half to two 309 00:20:45.759 --> 00:20:51.720 feet tall. And you can see pictures of white album uanymous at gardenings simplified 310 00:20:51.880 --> 00:20:56.759 on air dot com and also on our Instagram page, so just look for 311 00:20:56.759 --> 00:20:59.559 the Gardening Simplified Show and see it and then you can decide if you will 312 00:20:59.559 --> 00:21:02.519 put it in your garden this spring. We're going to take a little break. 313 00:21:02.559 --> 00:21:03.880 When we come back, we're answering your garden questions, so please stay 314 00:21:03.880 --> 00:21:14.839 tuned. At proven winner's color choice, we've got a shrub for every taste 315 00:21:14.880 --> 00:21:18.799 and every space. Whether you're looking for an easy care rose and unforgettable hydrangea, 316 00:21:19.000 --> 00:21:22.960 or something new and unique, you can be confident that the shrubs and 317 00:21:22.000 --> 00:21:26.880 the white containers have been trialed and tested for your success. Look for them 318 00:21:26.920 --> 00:21:33.000 at your local garden center. Greetings gardeners, and welcome back to the Gardening 319 00:21:33.079 --> 00:21:36.359 Simplified Show. It's one of my favorite parts of the show where we help 320 00:21:36.440 --> 00:21:38.920 you with your gardening questions. And now you know, things are slowing down 321 00:21:38.960 --> 00:21:42.359 a little bit. A lot of people their concentration has gone elsewhere, to 322 00:21:42.440 --> 00:21:47.359 the interior of their homes. But that doesn't mean you don't recall things that 323 00:21:47.519 --> 00:21:52.480 happened to you over the season, or you know that you're curious about something 324 00:21:52.480 --> 00:21:56.119 that you're planning for the spring. So we're still accepting your questions. You 325 00:21:56.119 --> 00:21:59.880 can send them in to us at help HLP a Gardening Simplified on aired, 326 00:22:00.359 --> 00:22:03.279 or just visit Gardening Simplified on air dot com. We got a contact form 327 00:22:03.319 --> 00:22:06.240 there and you can reach us that way. You can even attach a photo, 328 00:22:06.240 --> 00:22:10.079 which is always so helpful to help people when they're saying, what is 329 00:22:10.119 --> 00:22:11.920 this or how do I deal with this? It's helpful to know what this 330 00:22:12.519 --> 00:22:15.839 is? Well, not grease Stacy. I consider gardening a three hundred and 331 00:22:15.880 --> 00:22:19.480 sixty five day out of the year activity. Yes, we don't take a 332 00:22:19.559 --> 00:22:23.039 day off, not even Christmas or Newties. The plants are still there, 333 00:22:23.079 --> 00:22:26.519 there's still So what are we got in the mail bag this week? Great? 334 00:22:26.599 --> 00:22:32.319 All right, Keith. Keith asked us down south they use evergreen needles 335 00:22:32.359 --> 00:22:37.440 for a mulch or groundcover. I was wondering about using them and was wondering 336 00:22:37.799 --> 00:22:44.000 how it interfered with the perennials. Great question, Keith, and you are 337 00:22:44.119 --> 00:22:45.759 correct. Down south, you see a lot of pine mulch, and it's 338 00:22:45.799 --> 00:22:48.599 something you just do not see much of here in the North. No, 339 00:22:48.960 --> 00:22:52.519 we don't have as many pines, first of all, So pines are much 340 00:22:52.559 --> 00:22:57.240 more abundant in the South, and they have a greater diversity of pines than 341 00:22:57.279 --> 00:23:00.519 we have usually here in the But you know, certainly if you go up 342 00:23:00.559 --> 00:23:04.519 north in Michigan, you're going to see those white pine forests and they'll have 343 00:23:04.599 --> 00:23:07.759 their own, you know, beautiful soft mulch of needles. But yeah, 344 00:23:07.799 --> 00:23:11.000 we're just not harvesting it. Whereas in the South, you could go to 345 00:23:11.039 --> 00:23:15.240 any home improvement store and buy a bale of what they call pine straw. 346 00:23:15.559 --> 00:23:18.960 So whether it's pine needle, malt or pine straw, they use those terms 347 00:23:19.000 --> 00:23:22.839 interchangeably. You can buy a bale of it and put it in your arden. 348 00:23:23.039 --> 00:23:26.920 We tried it in our garden center up north here, and people were 349 00:23:27.000 --> 00:23:32.599 like, what the heck I'm buying? You want me to pay for pine 350 00:23:32.599 --> 00:23:37.799 needles? And I did some reading and saw that pine maultch is the thing 351 00:23:37.000 --> 00:23:41.400 Southerners love to hate. They hate it, love to hate. It's crazy 352 00:23:41.480 --> 00:23:44.799 because the needles are everywhere. It's like, what am I going to do 353 00:23:44.839 --> 00:23:47.119 with this? Well, I guess I'll use it as a mulch. And 354 00:23:47.640 --> 00:23:52.039 you know, the the upside is it's less expensive than some of these fancy 355 00:23:52.079 --> 00:23:53.440 bags of bart mult Well, sure, if you're in the South. Now, 356 00:23:53.440 --> 00:23:56.039 if you're in the North and you want to use it. It's definitely 357 00:23:56.079 --> 00:24:00.599 not less expensive exactly. I was when I was looking at and researching this 358 00:24:00.680 --> 00:24:03.279 question. There were so many places that were selling like a box to cover 359 00:24:03.359 --> 00:24:07.559 like ten square feet for like eighty dollars, because everybody wants what they don't 360 00:24:07.559 --> 00:24:11.960 have, right, you know, that's true. The grass is greener on 361 00:24:11.039 --> 00:24:14.960 the other side of the fence. And the other problem with it, and 362 00:24:15.000 --> 00:24:18.880 I've tried straw mulch, is that you have to refresh it to keep it 363 00:24:18.920 --> 00:24:22.119 looking. Yeah, so it does get kind of matted down, but when 364 00:24:22.119 --> 00:24:26.160 it is freshly down, and I've visited a lot of gardens in the South 365 00:24:26.160 --> 00:24:30.920 where I think it's just really beautiful and evocative of what it's like to garden 366 00:24:30.920 --> 00:24:33.279 there. So yes, it's common down there. It's less common up here. 367 00:24:33.359 --> 00:24:36.880 You can get it, but you're usually gonna have to pay for it, 368 00:24:37.039 --> 00:24:41.200 and it's not really going to interfere with perennials or other plants in your 369 00:24:41.200 --> 00:24:45.160 garden any more than any other mulch wood. You know, if you are 370 00:24:45.240 --> 00:24:49.279 mulching, and especially before your plants come out in the spring, you're not 371 00:24:49.319 --> 00:24:52.400 going to want to heap any kind of mulch onto those crowns, a little 372 00:24:52.440 --> 00:24:55.960 bit of sprinkle is oh, is okay. You don't have to go crazy 373 00:24:55.960 --> 00:24:59.400 trying to avoid it. But it's the same rules are going to apply in 374 00:24:59.480 --> 00:25:03.279 terms of mu ching with pine straw pine needles as they would with shredded mark 375 00:25:03.400 --> 00:25:07.160 or anything else that you're using. Thank you very mulch for bringing that up, 376 00:25:07.160 --> 00:25:12.440 because you're so right sta see the same rules applying matting or overpiling it. 377 00:25:12.440 --> 00:25:17.480 It's going to create problems for plants, so you know, in moderation, 378 00:25:17.799 --> 00:25:19.559 just like you would with any other type of mok Now, one thing 379 00:25:19.599 --> 00:25:23.240 I do want to add is that a lot of people when they think about 380 00:25:23.279 --> 00:25:26.319 pine straw or pine needle mulch, they say, oh, no, that's 381 00:25:26.400 --> 00:25:30.400 dangerous. It's going to make your soil acidic. And that is a myth 382 00:25:30.440 --> 00:25:36.319 that is not true. It's kind of assumed because typically pines grow in more 383 00:25:36.319 --> 00:25:41.000 acidic soils, but they themselves are not the agent of acidification. They aren't 384 00:25:41.000 --> 00:25:44.720 the ones who made the soil acidic. It just happens to be that the 385 00:25:44.720 --> 00:25:48.559 soil is like that. So there's really no effect on the pH of your 386 00:25:48.599 --> 00:25:52.759 soil, So you don't have to worry about that. You know. This 387 00:25:52.839 --> 00:25:56.279 is just to me a question of using what you have, and usually you're 388 00:25:56.279 --> 00:26:00.839 going to want a softer needle, not one of those really prickly, which 389 00:26:00.880 --> 00:26:06.880 brings up a point. Email us look us up gardening simplified on air dot 390 00:26:06.920 --> 00:26:11.519 com. Tell us what mult you pine for to spruce the place up. 391 00:26:11.559 --> 00:26:15.519 I'd love to do. That's good? Yeah, thanks, all right, 392 00:26:15.559 --> 00:26:18.920 Melissa's writing to us Stacy, Melissa says, I have a question about espalire 393 00:26:19.000 --> 00:26:25.319 plants. This is great. I would really like to have an espailure on 394 00:26:25.400 --> 00:26:30.279 a fifteen foot by eight foot blank wall of my walkout basement that's covered by 395 00:26:30.319 --> 00:26:33.240 a deck. What I am needing to figure out is what is best for 396 00:26:33.279 --> 00:26:37.759 this? What is the best plant for this location? Zone five B, 397 00:26:37.960 --> 00:26:41.680 Southwest Nebraska. I have kind of documented the amount of sun it gets about 398 00:26:41.680 --> 00:26:45.519 four to five hours. So what kind of recommendations would you have? So 399 00:26:45.680 --> 00:26:49.680 an espalier is something that people have seen but might not know the name for 400 00:26:49.759 --> 00:26:53.440 it. It's when you take a tree or a shrub and you grow it 401 00:26:53.480 --> 00:26:57.680 against a wall so that it's almost flat and almost looks like it becomes a 402 00:26:57.680 --> 00:27:00.559 part of the wall. Now, espalier are generally much more popular in your 403 00:27:00.720 --> 00:27:03.519 europe pace than they are here, but you do see them. I mean, 404 00:27:03.519 --> 00:27:07.559 garden centers usually will sell an Espalier apple, and in this case, 405 00:27:07.599 --> 00:27:10.640 of course, it hasn't been trained on your wall, but the grower has 406 00:27:10.680 --> 00:27:14.480 trained it to take on a specific shape. But what people don't know about 407 00:27:14.599 --> 00:27:18.440 Espalier, and I commend Melissa for asking this, is that really you can 408 00:27:18.559 --> 00:27:23.279 Espalier almost any shrub or tree to fit your space. It's really just a 409 00:27:23.319 --> 00:27:29.119 matter of pruning the plant with a specific intent. And so what you want 410 00:27:29.119 --> 00:27:32.119 to do is just make sure there's no growth on the back growing towards the 411 00:27:32.160 --> 00:27:33.640 wall, because you want it to be as flat up against the wall as 412 00:27:33.640 --> 00:27:37.559 you can, and then you just cut off everything you don't want. Is 413 00:27:37.559 --> 00:27:42.240 that oversimplifying No, I don't think it's oversimplifying at all. I do believe 414 00:27:42.279 --> 00:27:48.480 that you're best off going with plants that have many spurs along the branch. 415 00:27:48.839 --> 00:27:51.880 You can be more successful that way. It's similar to a grapevine in how 416 00:27:51.920 --> 00:27:56.440 we support them on wire. So, Stacy, I would guess that that's 417 00:27:56.720 --> 00:28:02.680 the reason why we often see apples or pairs used for that purpose, right, 418 00:28:02.799 --> 00:28:06.240 And also because in that case you're able to produce a crop in very 419 00:28:06.279 --> 00:28:08.319 little space and something that you would not normally be able to use. Now, 420 00:28:08.400 --> 00:28:11.920 for Melissa, I don't think her site is really quite sunny enough to 421 00:28:11.920 --> 00:28:17.039 do a classic apple or pear espalier. But that's why I wanted to say 422 00:28:17.039 --> 00:28:18.759 that you can use a number of different plants. Now, like you said, 423 00:28:19.319 --> 00:28:22.160 there are some plants that aren't suitable, So I would avoid plants that 424 00:28:22.240 --> 00:28:26.119 have like triple branching. So if you think about like a panicle Hydrangea where 425 00:28:26.160 --> 00:28:30.359 sometimes it can do kind of like a whorl of branches, same with smoke 426 00:28:30.400 --> 00:28:33.680 bush. But one plant that I have seen that would work really well for 427 00:28:33.799 --> 00:28:40.640 Melissa that the espalier is very well is elderberry. Oh and it's a nice 428 00:28:40.759 --> 00:28:45.000 big plant, very forgiving of the pruning, very decorative. So if you 429 00:28:45.000 --> 00:28:48.000 did something like our beautiful black lace elderberry where you have that nice lacy black 430 00:28:48.039 --> 00:28:52.359 foliage, just while you're shopping and you're finding the plant for that, you're 431 00:28:52.359 --> 00:28:56.640 just going to want to look for something that's going to be able to be 432 00:28:56.720 --> 00:29:00.359 shaped into the habit that you want, So looking for branches for one side 433 00:29:00.359 --> 00:29:04.039 that's like more or less flatter, you can easily take branches off and then 434 00:29:04.079 --> 00:29:08.960 good branching to the side, and then also our lemony lace elderberry would be 435 00:29:10.160 --> 00:29:11.519 just as nice. Now, I was going to bring that up yesterday. 436 00:29:11.519 --> 00:29:17.799 I was looking at it bear in the landscape and a lot of spurs, 437 00:29:17.799 --> 00:29:21.279 a lot of bud spurs along the stems, so I could see why that 438 00:29:21.279 --> 00:29:22.200 would work. Well, yeah, we used to have one in our old 439 00:29:22.200 --> 00:29:26.000 office here and it was really cool. So you inspired me. I like 440 00:29:26.079 --> 00:29:33.799 that another project for the resolution today. That's great. All right, Pat 441 00:29:33.960 --> 00:29:37.759 is wondering will a red twig or yellow twig dog would tree grow near black 442 00:29:37.799 --> 00:29:42.200 walnut trees? If not, how far away would the dogwood tree need to 443 00:29:42.200 --> 00:29:47.359 be from the black walnut trees? Thank you so much in advance. Well, 444 00:29:47.359 --> 00:29:48.720 this is a question that I think kind of leads us into you maybe 445 00:29:48.720 --> 00:29:52.160 we need to do a show about growing around black walnuts, because it's a 446 00:29:52.160 --> 00:29:56.400 concern that a lot of people have, and if you're not familiar with this, 447 00:29:56.000 --> 00:30:02.079 just briefly, black walnuts have a quality known as a lollopathy, where 448 00:30:02.279 --> 00:30:07.480 they emit some chemicals that can actually hamper the growth of other plants. Certain 449 00:30:07.519 --> 00:30:10.119 susceptible plants. Not all plants are susceptible to it, and it's just a 450 00:30:10.240 --> 00:30:14.720 natural, you know, sort of defense to prevent weeds from growing around them. 451 00:30:15.119 --> 00:30:18.480 Now, by and large, the effects of black walnut on most plants 452 00:30:18.519 --> 00:30:23.519 are overstated. People think that they are much more dramatic than they actually are. 453 00:30:23.559 --> 00:30:27.079 Now when it comes to susceptible plants like tomatoes, forget it that things 454 00:30:27.079 --> 00:30:32.079 is going to die, But a lot of plants can easily tolerate it. 455 00:30:32.160 --> 00:30:36.119 Because what people don't realize is that the issue is not so much from the 456 00:30:36.240 --> 00:30:41.279 roots. It's from the fallen leaves, twigs and fruits. And they make 457 00:30:41.480 --> 00:30:44.720 a mess. So if you say, wow, my tree is going to 458 00:30:44.799 --> 00:30:48.519 behave and not make a mess with branches and walnuts and lea, No, 459 00:30:49.039 --> 00:30:53.039 they make a mess. Like I said, I wouldn't park a rented car 460 00:30:53.160 --> 00:30:56.240 underneath a walnut. They make a mess, but the squirrels do a good 461 00:30:56.279 --> 00:30:59.920 job of cleaning it up. Yeah, I got a black walnut across this 462 00:31:00.000 --> 00:31:03.160 street and the s girls are taking the walnuts over into my yard and having 463 00:31:03.160 --> 00:31:07.599 a field day over there. But there are plants that are more tolerant of 464 00:31:07.720 --> 00:31:10.880 jugg low and this chemical that walnut's emit, and the good news is that 465 00:31:10.920 --> 00:31:14.799 redder, yellow twig dogwood is among them. Now, that said, even 466 00:31:14.839 --> 00:31:17.799 if a plant is not known to be susceptible, you're still going to want 467 00:31:17.839 --> 00:31:19.559 to make sure it has ample water, and you are going to want to 468 00:31:19.599 --> 00:31:25.119 make sure that the area around it is clear of the fallen foliage, fruits, 469 00:31:25.160 --> 00:31:26.880 and especially branches, because those are the ones. It's not just so 470 00:31:27.000 --> 00:31:33.920 much the roots. It's that falling debris that what can really cause issues for 471 00:31:33.079 --> 00:31:37.279 surrounding plants. So I think you're good. I'm going to put some links 472 00:31:37.319 --> 00:31:41.039 into the show notes where you can do some research yourself. They're not exhaustive, 473 00:31:41.079 --> 00:31:44.400 but it's a good starting point if you have a black walnut in your 474 00:31:44.480 --> 00:31:47.519 yard to learn some things that you can grow. Now we're going to take 475 00:31:47.519 --> 00:31:49.200 a little break. When we come back, we got a fan favorite. 476 00:31:49.200 --> 00:31:59.559 It's the Birdman. Please stay tuned. The Gardening Simplified Show is brought to 477 00:31:59.599 --> 00:32:04.599 you by proven winners Color Choice Shrubs. Our award winning flowering shrubs and evergreens 478 00:32:04.680 --> 00:32:08.480 have been trialed and tested for your success so you enjoy more beauty and less 479 00:32:08.480 --> 00:32:13.759 work. Look for proven winners Color Choice Shrubs and the distinctive white container at 480 00:32:13.799 --> 00:32:20.079 your local garden center. Welcome back to the Gardening Simplified Show, and today 481 00:32:20.119 --> 00:32:22.960 for Branching News, we get to interview a favorite here on the program, 482 00:32:23.440 --> 00:32:30.799 the Birdman, who swoops in here during the holidays. He's busy working here 483 00:32:30.920 --> 00:32:34.960 during the holidays. And by the way, for those of you watching on 484 00:32:35.039 --> 00:32:40.240 YouTube, the set today is decorated. It's all lit up evergreen branches. 485 00:32:42.279 --> 00:32:46.200 I hired a design firm that I know of called Trillium, Sage, gall 486 00:32:46.279 --> 00:32:50.039 and Fungus, and they came in and did a nice job. I thought, 487 00:32:50.240 --> 00:32:52.519 so there you go. All right, birdman. Great to have you 488 00:32:52.559 --> 00:32:54.599 on the show. And I guess right off the top, we got to 489 00:32:54.640 --> 00:32:58.000 ask you. Well, let's ask first of all, how you doing. 490 00:32:58.279 --> 00:33:00.519 How are things doing? Fantasy say, hey, thanks for having me on. 491 00:33:00.759 --> 00:33:04.160 You bet to talk with you. It's great to have you on the 492 00:33:04.200 --> 00:33:08.440 show. So El Nino winter, strange weather, little snow, just kind 493 00:33:08.440 --> 00:33:15.319 of odd here in Michigan, but also in the Midwest, warmer than usual 494 00:33:15.799 --> 00:33:20.160 winter. And there are some people who would debate whether or not it well 495 00:33:20.160 --> 00:33:25.240 it affects migratory habits of birds or habits of birds in general. What say 496 00:33:25.400 --> 00:33:31.200 you to that topic. I believe it does. It has a good deal 497 00:33:31.240 --> 00:33:35.960 to do with it. It has marked less to do with light and mart 498 00:33:36.000 --> 00:33:38.559 to do with food. And as long as they can get food easily, 499 00:33:38.960 --> 00:33:44.559 then they don't have to move as far. Birds are pretty mobile, so 500 00:33:44.640 --> 00:33:46.640 they can go to wherever they need to get food. And when the weather 501 00:33:46.720 --> 00:33:51.519 starts to clamp in, and then they go down farther south where they don't 502 00:33:51.559 --> 00:33:55.400 have the snow and ice to fight with, and that's the whole whole premise 503 00:33:55.440 --> 00:33:59.839 of it. Then there's a habit pattern that comes aboard too, with some 504 00:34:00.079 --> 00:34:04.519 the larger birds that it's just the way that they've preserved themselves over the centuries 505 00:34:04.640 --> 00:34:08.119 is to be in the north in the summer, in the south in the 506 00:34:08.119 --> 00:34:13.320 winter. You know, you make a really good point there that is basic 507 00:34:13.519 --> 00:34:15.880 and understood, and yet we don't think about it often. You're right, 508 00:34:16.199 --> 00:34:20.920 birds are mobile, so they can move to where the food is. I 509 00:34:20.960 --> 00:34:24.400 was reading the other day about robins and how robins have a tendency to stick 510 00:34:24.440 --> 00:34:32.039 around a line that stays around thirty eight degrees as a minimum low in winter. 511 00:34:32.119 --> 00:34:37.400 If you wanted to use a general rule of thumb, some will stay 512 00:34:37.480 --> 00:34:43.239 up north all winter long. They just kind of migrate, so to speak, 513 00:34:43.679 --> 00:34:46.360 based on available water and food. And it could be as far north 514 00:34:46.400 --> 00:34:53.400 as Michigan or further north or down south right right, and there it's warmer 515 00:34:53.519 --> 00:34:59.280 in the swamps where the cricks are flowing and where the water is open, 516 00:34:59.400 --> 00:35:02.559 and that's where you're likely to find them. If it's really cold and the 517 00:35:02.599 --> 00:35:07.920 snow is high. You look down along with the creeks and the bubbling along 518 00:35:07.280 --> 00:35:13.039 there, you'll find the robins and the bluebirds both. So this applies primarily 519 00:35:13.079 --> 00:35:15.880 to insectivorous birds, correct, because a lot of people say, oh, 520 00:35:15.880 --> 00:35:20.400 don't feed the birds, it's going to disrupt their migration. But the seed 521 00:35:20.440 --> 00:35:24.440 eating birds are going to be able to stay in their range anyway because there's 522 00:35:24.519 --> 00:35:30.199 usually seeds around. Correct. Seed eating birds stay here right because they don't 523 00:35:30.239 --> 00:35:34.679 care. I mean, they can go into your garden and pick the seeds 524 00:35:34.679 --> 00:35:39.239 that are left from this if you'r's blooming, and they can pick in the 525 00:35:39.280 --> 00:35:43.960 trees and you know the crab apples and the hawthorne that's that are like that. 526 00:35:44.000 --> 00:35:46.320 They have plenty of food around and they eat plenty of insects. Also, 527 00:35:46.800 --> 00:35:52.320 same with the woodpeckers. They can find insects in the bark and underneath 528 00:35:52.320 --> 00:35:54.719 the bark all seas along, so those will be here the whole time. 529 00:35:55.199 --> 00:36:00.280 It's the ones that are mostly the insect of the orioles and things like that. 530 00:36:00.480 --> 00:36:07.159 Orioles go into South America even to get the similar kind of habitat that 531 00:36:07.159 --> 00:36:09.440 they're accustomed to here during the summer. Yeah, of course, Robin's we 532 00:36:09.480 --> 00:36:13.880 think of them digging out the earthworms in spring, but at this time of 533 00:36:13.880 --> 00:36:16.920 the year picking off that fruit off the trees. I was on the Cornell 534 00:36:17.519 --> 00:36:23.599 University site the other day and I was reading they said that Robin's don't sing 535 00:36:23.920 --> 00:36:29.960 until it's time for mating, and they can be pulling earthworms out of the 536 00:36:30.000 --> 00:36:34.719 ground. Otherwise they don't sing. And I know both Stacy and Bill are 537 00:36:34.920 --> 00:36:37.079 fabulous birders. I don't know if you buy into that or not. But 538 00:36:37.320 --> 00:36:40.880 now that I sit here and I think about it, I really only hear 539 00:36:40.920 --> 00:36:44.280 them in the spring. The rest of the year, I'm not so sure 540 00:36:44.320 --> 00:36:47.280 I hear robin singing. What do you think, Bill? It's pretty hard 541 00:36:47.280 --> 00:36:52.679 to judge something when you can't hear it. You nailed it. This is 542 00:36:52.679 --> 00:36:54.960 one of those philosophical questions. If a robin sings in a forest and no 543 00:36:55.000 --> 00:36:59.239 one's are absolutely well, you know, in general birds sing less in the 544 00:36:59.239 --> 00:37:01.639 winter because you know, of course it takes energy, and you know, 545 00:37:01.880 --> 00:37:05.920 they still have a need to communicate. But a lot of the singing is 546 00:37:05.960 --> 00:37:08.239 about mating and territory, and right now they're all like, hey, can 547 00:37:08.280 --> 00:37:12.519 we just get through this winter and get to the good part of the year. 548 00:37:13.920 --> 00:37:15.960 You're right. The territory is that they're in is where they are. 549 00:37:16.519 --> 00:37:21.000 If you've got birds there now, they're going to be within five miles and 550 00:37:21.039 --> 00:37:22.960 they're going to stay there. There are your birds. So when you're feeding 551 00:37:22.960 --> 00:37:27.679 them, you're feeding your birds and they're the ones that are eating your insects. 552 00:37:28.719 --> 00:37:31.039 Yeah, that's great. That's great. Now along the lines of migration, 553 00:37:31.719 --> 00:37:35.719 Bill, let's get an update on the sand Hill cranes. What's going 554 00:37:35.800 --> 00:37:43.480 on. Well, we're right on the place outside Marshall where and sixty years 555 00:37:43.519 --> 00:37:46.480 ago we were down to seven pairs of Sanduel cranes, and so this is 556 00:37:46.519 --> 00:37:52.920 their base of operation and they keep coming back to this region every fall, 557 00:37:52.440 --> 00:37:57.239 and at this point in time, we probably have twenty thousand Sandual cranes. 558 00:37:57.280 --> 00:38:01.559 Wow, in groups of one hundred, two hundred and five hundred sitting in 559 00:38:01.559 --> 00:38:06.840 a field picking over the crops and things like that. But normally they'd be 560 00:38:06.880 --> 00:38:09.760 going south by now, but they haven't left yet because of the weather. 561 00:38:10.760 --> 00:38:14.880 The you know, the food is available and they don't feel the pressure, 562 00:38:15.000 --> 00:38:17.639 so they just and they're waiting for the right wind to take them down. 563 00:38:17.679 --> 00:38:22.480 But they haven't haven't made that decision. And I think it is a lot 564 00:38:22.599 --> 00:38:24.559 to do with the weather. Yeah, so what are they eating right now? 565 00:38:25.719 --> 00:38:30.559 Oh, they're out in the fields where the corn was and the uh, 566 00:38:30.840 --> 00:38:35.199 you know, all all the things that are out there. Also, 567 00:38:35.880 --> 00:38:37.519 they spread a lot of manure now and there's always a lot of good stuff 568 00:38:37.519 --> 00:38:45.639 in that. I know that if you're a bird like that stuff. I 569 00:38:45.679 --> 00:38:50.920 didn't question that. You're speaking from a bird's point of view. Birds can't 570 00:38:50.960 --> 00:38:58.280 smell smells. For those turkey vultures, Oh yeah, I love them. 571 00:38:58.599 --> 00:39:02.079 Put it on the bill. Yeah, well that's interesting. That's and again 572 00:39:02.199 --> 00:39:07.599 that reinforces the fact that they're not following a calendar. They're not checking their 573 00:39:07.639 --> 00:39:13.639 smartphones, they're not maintaining a calendar. They are they're going where the food 574 00:39:13.800 --> 00:39:17.320 is. They're they're basically doing what's natural to them, and if the weather's 575 00:39:17.360 --> 00:39:22.760 a little unusual, they're going to do what is natural. Bill, I 576 00:39:22.760 --> 00:39:27.760 I had mentioned to you that I'm looking forward this holiday season to seeing the 577 00:39:27.800 --> 00:39:36.199 movie Migration. Migration is a animated film, and it's about a Mallard family 578 00:39:36.320 --> 00:39:39.920 that's kind of in a rut. And so Dad Mac is content to keep 579 00:39:39.920 --> 00:39:45.880 his family just safe paddling around their New England pond forever. But Mom, 580 00:39:46.039 --> 00:39:50.079 her name is Pam, she wants to shake things up a little bit, 581 00:39:50.159 --> 00:39:53.760 take the kids and show them the big wide world. And so they migrate 582 00:39:53.920 --> 00:40:00.639 south through New York City to Jamaica. And of course the advent ures are 583 00:40:00.480 --> 00:40:07.159 amazing. So this is a movie i'd suggest seeing. I'm certainly going to 584 00:40:07.199 --> 00:40:12.119 see it this holiday season. Migration. I'm in the right age group for 585 00:40:12.159 --> 00:40:19.679 that too. I love animation right on fell Now, these Mallards are ducks, 586 00:40:19.840 --> 00:40:24.199 right, and I was reading they call them dabbling ducks, as opposed 587 00:40:24.239 --> 00:40:30.440 to let's say, the cormorants that I see I live on Lake Michigan. 588 00:40:30.800 --> 00:40:35.280 The cormorants which can dive I was reading as deep as one hundred and fifty 589 00:40:35.280 --> 00:40:37.320 feet, which is unreal to me. But I'll stand there on the pier 590 00:40:37.400 --> 00:40:42.239 and I'll watch them dive into the water and a bird will disappear and he 591 00:40:42.280 --> 00:40:45.360 doesn't come back up, and I'm like, he drowned, and then a 592 00:40:45.400 --> 00:40:49.920 minute later he pops back up to the surface. It's amazing to watch. 593 00:40:50.000 --> 00:40:52.960 But ducks are dabblers, right, They're just kind of dabbling for the food 594 00:40:53.000 --> 00:40:57.920 at the surface. Well, there are a couple kinds of duck they're puddle 595 00:40:58.000 --> 00:41:00.159 ducks, and those are the dabblers, and then there's the the divers and 596 00:41:00.480 --> 00:41:07.559 uh uh, and that's we can categories a lot of the waterfowl is are 597 00:41:07.559 --> 00:41:13.079 they are they puddle ducks or or you know, dabbling along or are they 598 00:41:13.119 --> 00:41:15.119 divers? And you know, we've got the loons out here that can go 599 00:41:15.239 --> 00:41:19.280 down a couple hundred feet and have red eyes so they can see better under 600 00:41:19.320 --> 00:41:23.320 dark water. So it's it's just amazing. Prmarants are pretty closely related to 601 00:41:23.360 --> 00:41:30.800 them, And cormorants were actually endangered and they came roaring back. And now 602 00:41:30.840 --> 00:41:37.320 I understand that a lot of fishermen are are taking issue with the cormorant population, 603 00:41:37.519 --> 00:41:42.480 have a problem with them. Yes, well, you talk to fishermen 604 00:41:42.519 --> 00:41:46.159 on island area there there are very few little baths left just because of the 605 00:41:46.159 --> 00:41:52.000 cormorant population. You know. But nature swings one way and then swings the 606 00:41:52.039 --> 00:41:55.199 other. It's just their cycles. And I don't know but how to how 607 00:41:55.239 --> 00:41:59.320 to reverse it. Uh, maybe it's not our business to do that. 608 00:41:59.800 --> 00:42:02.000 Well, certainly, if they eat all the fish there, they'll just kind 609 00:42:02.000 --> 00:42:07.000 of have a natural population decline and kind of a boom bus cycle like the 610 00:42:07.039 --> 00:42:10.559 economy and everything else that we deal with in life, and go someplace else. 611 00:42:10.800 --> 00:42:15.920 Yep, yep. So we're chatting with the birdman Bill Stove stoveoll wood 612 00:42:15.960 --> 00:42:21.320 products and Bill. Christmas time's a busy time of the year for you. 613 00:42:21.760 --> 00:42:25.440 Christmas is good for birders. It's a great opportunity to have a gift in 614 00:42:25.480 --> 00:42:32.079 the stocking or under the tree. And I was curious, I'm thinking about 615 00:42:32.159 --> 00:42:37.119 getting a new pair of binoculars. Do you think that's a good gift at 616 00:42:37.199 --> 00:42:42.679 Christmas time? It's a fabulous gift that brings the world in closer. You 617 00:42:42.719 --> 00:42:47.800 can see things more clearly, and it's always a centerpiece of conversation if you're 618 00:42:47.840 --> 00:42:52.960 in a group to see something on past. The binoculars around and you have 619 00:42:53.880 --> 00:42:59.679 birding in particular is good in the winter time because you're inside with a small 620 00:42:59.719 --> 00:43:02.920 group people and you've got a lot of color and activity just outside the window 621 00:43:02.960 --> 00:43:08.000 to talk about and watch. It's actually they're a really good thing. So 622 00:43:08.039 --> 00:43:13.239 it's a just a living commercial. Good bird feeder is a good idea too, 623 00:43:13.480 --> 00:43:15.760 sure, absolutely, you know. I was online. I saw a 624 00:43:15.800 --> 00:43:20.960 pair of binoculars for nineteen ninety nine, and then they'd throw in a pair 625 00:43:20.960 --> 00:43:23.639 of steak knives with it too. If you placed your order, I'm probably 626 00:43:23.679 --> 00:43:30.000 going to be disappointed, aren't I What pair did you go to? I 627 00:43:30.039 --> 00:43:37.159 think exactly, No. You need you need to get in a several hundred 628 00:43:37.199 --> 00:43:42.840 dollars range. We talked earlier about three four five hundred dollars category for a 629 00:43:42.960 --> 00:43:47.400 quality binoculars with good lenses and good good operation. But you can't get anything 630 00:43:47.440 --> 00:43:52.920 for twenty bucks anymore. And you know it's so important too. I think 631 00:43:52.960 --> 00:43:55.159 a lot of people don't realize when they are searching for a pair of binoculars 632 00:43:57.320 --> 00:44:00.119 that it's kind of depends on what birds you're watching as well. You know, 633 00:44:00.159 --> 00:44:04.760 eight by forty two is sort of the gold standard for birders for the 634 00:44:04.800 --> 00:44:08.039 binocular range, and it's good, but like for us here, if you're 635 00:44:08.159 --> 00:44:12.840 by the on large bodies of water, you might actually want something that goes 636 00:44:12.880 --> 00:44:15.119 further, like a ten by forty two, because a lot of the birds 637 00:44:15.119 --> 00:44:17.840 that you're seeing are further away and some of that resolution that you give up 638 00:44:19.280 --> 00:44:22.360 might be worth it if you're trying to watch you know, buffaleads way out 639 00:44:22.360 --> 00:44:25.559 in the water like I often them. Well, I've done a little different 640 00:44:25.559 --> 00:44:29.920 way. I have that kind of a bird watcher's binocular. But then we 641 00:44:30.000 --> 00:44:34.840 get a spotting scope which really helps, and they're not that expensive, and 642 00:44:34.880 --> 00:44:37.000 get a tripod with it and you can do all kinds of things. That's 643 00:44:37.039 --> 00:44:40.039 a bird and nests in the woods where they're moving in and out and you 644 00:44:40.079 --> 00:44:44.519 don't have to hold that there, or you can do across the water a 645 00:44:44.639 --> 00:44:49.480 long distances. So that's a spotting scope. You don't have to hold it 646 00:44:49.519 --> 00:44:52.920 steady because you've got it down a tripod and it has as an axillary thing. 647 00:44:53.079 --> 00:44:57.039 Maybe they already have binoculars, but a good spotting scope would be a 648 00:44:57.039 --> 00:45:00.480 good idea surprise them is something they don't even know they want. I love 649 00:45:00.519 --> 00:45:07.920 that we're chatting with the birdman. We're chatting with the birdman, Bill Stovell 650 00:45:07.239 --> 00:45:13.719 Bill again, getting back to the al Nino issue. Then beyond the holidays 651 00:45:13.760 --> 00:45:17.760 here, there are a number of birds that migrate. You know, when 652 00:45:17.800 --> 00:45:22.719 we think migration, we think to warmer southern climates. But one of the 653 00:45:22.760 --> 00:45:27.519 birds that I love to capture with my camera along the lake shore is the 654 00:45:27.559 --> 00:45:32.920 snowy owl. But I'm hearing rumor I have not seen a snowy owl yet 655 00:45:32.960 --> 00:45:37.800 this year. But I'm hearing rumor that there are some birds from the northern 656 00:45:37.840 --> 00:45:43.639 parts, let's say, up in Canada that we're not seeing this year either 657 00:45:43.800 --> 00:45:49.320 because of El Nino. Is that correct? Absolutely? Snowy owl is one. 658 00:45:49.960 --> 00:46:00.239 But the little finch that's that way there, there's a uh, several 659 00:46:00.239 --> 00:46:07.159 feederbirds that come down. Red sided nuthatch is not here. I haven't seen 660 00:46:07.199 --> 00:46:12.800 them at all, and usually they're here by now. Fine systems are not 661 00:46:12.880 --> 00:46:15.800 here yet, and they're a little brown bird with stripes on them. Red 662 00:46:15.840 --> 00:46:19.519 pole is a little finish that's got a red dot on the top of his 663 00:46:19.599 --> 00:46:22.760 head, and they're not here yet. And the list goes on of birds 664 00:46:22.760 --> 00:46:28.679 that come. They come to here because it's warmer there's a winter rim that 665 00:46:28.880 --> 00:46:34.079 likes it here during the during the winter, but they like it better up 666 00:46:34.159 --> 00:46:40.239 north during the summer. So it has a cascading event. Right again, 667 00:46:40.280 --> 00:46:44.159 if they're mobile, so they come to where it's comfortable for them. Yeah. 668 00:46:45.880 --> 00:46:50.360 So, Bill, before we let you go, we are going to 669 00:46:50.360 --> 00:46:55.719 be talking over the next few weeks about resolutions and resolutions that each of us 670 00:46:55.840 --> 00:47:02.360 has has personally as far as gardening is, as far as birding is concerned. 671 00:47:02.400 --> 00:47:07.559 Any resolutions on your list or a resolution you think somebody should have. 672 00:47:07.800 --> 00:47:14.480 Maybe it's subscribing to a magazine or an app or whatever it may be. 673 00:47:15.000 --> 00:47:20.159 What do you think is a good birding resolution for somebody that you know enjoys 674 00:47:20.159 --> 00:47:24.920 birding. Well, there are a couple national birding magazines that are just excellent, 675 00:47:25.559 --> 00:47:30.519 and if you're a member of the Michigan Audubon Society, they put out 676 00:47:30.800 --> 00:47:37.159 a a pamphlet every quarter that's just stunning about the bird studies that are around. 677 00:47:37.400 --> 00:47:44.760 So that kind of literature might be a possibility. I'm trying to think 678 00:47:44.840 --> 00:47:49.559 what else. No, that's fine. My mom always had birds in Blooms 679 00:47:49.599 --> 00:47:53.880 magazine. That's a classic, that's a standard. Yet, what do you 680 00:47:53.920 --> 00:47:58.920 think is a resolution Stacey that somebody could make as a birder for the coming 681 00:47:59.000 --> 00:48:04.039 year, maybe to to plant more shrubs or plants that produce berries or cover 682 00:48:04.280 --> 00:48:07.480 or Yeah, and that's an obvious one. I mean absolutely, But I 683 00:48:07.519 --> 00:48:10.679 think the best thing that a birder can resolve to do is bird more. 684 00:48:12.000 --> 00:48:15.079 I mean, honestly, like, because that's how you build your skills, 685 00:48:15.079 --> 00:48:19.719 and that's how you build the joy that you find in it is by spending 686 00:48:19.719 --> 00:48:24.840 more time and deepening your knowledge and you know, expanding your observations and you 687 00:48:24.880 --> 00:48:28.960 get to spend more time doing something really amazing. Yeah, that's true. 688 00:48:28.960 --> 00:48:34.440 It's an easy resolution. Exactly. Walk in the wood and when you see 689 00:48:34.480 --> 00:48:37.280 something you don't recognize, look it up in your book and figure out what 690 00:48:37.360 --> 00:48:42.320 it is. Curiosity is another thing to keep sharp on your making the resolution. 691 00:48:42.679 --> 00:48:45.679 I agree completely. Yeah, and you know, uh, that's so 692 00:48:45.840 --> 00:48:50.000 true. I remember my dad is ninety four years old, and I remember 693 00:48:50.079 --> 00:48:52.880 taking walks with him as a kid, and my dad loved birds. I 694 00:48:52.880 --> 00:48:55.800 mean, he was totally into birds. But of course he was from the 695 00:48:55.800 --> 00:48:59.559 Netherlands, and there's a lot of water in the Netherlands and a lot of 696 00:48:59.599 --> 00:49:04.559 greats and so he was completely into it. So he was constantly talking to 697 00:49:04.599 --> 00:49:07.800 me about bird calls or do you hear that? Or do you see that? 698 00:49:07.760 --> 00:49:13.480 And once again, these are the things that stick with you as as 699 00:49:13.559 --> 00:49:16.320 a kid. They say, as a kid, once you stick your face 700 00:49:16.360 --> 00:49:21.519 in a lilac and you take a really good sniff, that that aroma sticks 701 00:49:21.559 --> 00:49:24.280 with you the rest of your life. So if there's kids around, Bill, 702 00:49:24.360 --> 00:49:30.920 exposing them to birding is a great thing to do. It certainly is. 703 00:49:30.119 --> 00:49:35.800 And putting up a birdhouse and watching the little ones come out of it 704 00:49:36.159 --> 00:49:39.159 that they'll stick them forever. Yeah, you bet. I'm looking forward to 705 00:49:39.239 --> 00:49:44.239 that season in spring too. Birdman. I hope you have a wonderful Christmas, 706 00:49:44.320 --> 00:49:49.239 wonderful holiday. Thank you for your enthusiasm and your interest in birds and 707 00:49:49.280 --> 00:49:52.320 what you do for the birding community. And we really appreciate you here on 708 00:49:52.360 --> 00:49:59.360 the Gardening Simplified Show. Well, thank you for the opportunity and back at 709 00:49:59.360 --> 00:50:02.039 you. You got really wonderful shows going on and a great staff right there. 710 00:50:02.079 --> 00:50:06.519 Those three of you just make make me laugh, love it, love 711 00:50:06.559 --> 00:50:08.079 it a lot. Thanks for doing it. Thank you very much. Take 712 00:50:08.079 --> 00:50:13.119 care of Bill. Merry Christmas, Merry Christmas. Well, that's our gift 713 00:50:13.119 --> 00:50:15.039 to you because it's always such a pleasure to have Birdman on the show. 714 00:50:15.119 --> 00:50:19.199 We love it as much as you do, so thank you so so much 715 00:50:19.199 --> 00:50:22.679 for tuning in. We all wish you a very very merry Christmas and we'll 716 00:50:22.679 --> 00:50:22.440 see you next week.