1 00:00:17,320 --> 00:00:21,600 We are back with another edition of the Federalist Radio Hour. I'm Matt Kittle, 2 00:00:21,679 --> 00:00:27,239 Senior Elections correspondent of The Federalist and your experienced SHERPA on today's quest for 3 00:00:27,359 --> 00:00:32,799 Knowledge. As always, you can email the show at radio at the Federalist 4 00:00:32,880 --> 00:00:39,759 dot com, follow us on x at fbr LST, make sure it is 5 00:00:39,799 --> 00:00:45,280 to subscribe wherever you download your podcast, and of course to the premium version 6 00:00:45,280 --> 00:00:49,600 of our website as well. I'm joined today by J. Christian Adams, 7 00:00:49,719 --> 00:00:56,240 President and General Counsel of the Public Interest Legal Foundation or PILF, a public 8 00:00:56,359 --> 00:01:03,480 interest law firm dedicated to election integrity. The Foundation exists in fact two assist 9 00:01:03,519 --> 00:01:10,680 states and others to aid the cause of election integrity and fight against lawlessness in 10 00:01:10,719 --> 00:01:15,840 American elections. I can think of no greater cause. Thank you for being 11 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:19,400 here, sir. We appreciate your time, thank you for having me, 12 00:01:19,920 --> 00:01:23,120 and we appreciate the work that you do. Before we get into the fight 13 00:01:23,239 --> 00:01:29,560 for integrity in our elections, and it's an all encompassing fight, I want 14 00:01:29,599 --> 00:01:34,280 to get your take on the federal agency you once served. You worked for 15 00:01:34,359 --> 00:01:38,760 the Voting Section in the US Department of Justice between two thousand and five and 16 00:01:38,760 --> 00:01:44,519 twenty ten. If I'm remembering correctly, it seems today's Justice Department is not 17 00:01:44,760 --> 00:01:49,000 your father's DOJ. So to speak, my colleague John Daniel Davidson wrote a 18 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:57,000 piece in The Federalist headlined Merrick Garland thinks his Justice Department is above criticism. 19 00:01:57,480 --> 00:02:04,000 John Wrights Darland published an op ed in The Washington Post Tuesday declaring that unfounded 20 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:09,039 attacks on this Justice Department quote must end. It's strange and unsettling for the 21 00:02:09,159 --> 00:02:14,919 chief law enforcement officer of the United States to write such a thing. Whatever 22 00:02:14,960 --> 00:02:19,960 the merits of his argument, doesn't come off as an argument. It comes 23 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:23,680 off as a threat. Would you agree with that? And what do you 24 00:02:23,719 --> 00:02:30,560 think of the state of today's Justice Department from the time that you work there 25 00:02:30,960 --> 00:02:35,240 some twenty years ago? Now? Well, it's fascinating to hear the take 26 00:02:35,719 --> 00:02:39,159 considering it a threat, because I will tell you I can understand somebody taking 27 00:02:39,199 --> 00:02:46,240 it that way, like interpreting it that way. But what's interesting when I 28 00:02:46,319 --> 00:02:51,280 heard it and I try to explain this to people in a lot of different 29 00:02:51,280 --> 00:02:53,520 ways. I've written articles about this. I think I just had one recently 30 00:02:54,360 --> 00:03:00,479 about this institutionalism at the DOJ. A lot of folks are like, well, 31 00:03:00,520 --> 00:03:04,280 who's ever going to be held accountable? And I wrote in the piece 32 00:03:04,400 --> 00:03:07,919 recently, I said nobody. They don't hold people accountable at DJ because they 33 00:03:07,919 --> 00:03:14,199 don't think they did anything wrong. And there's an institutional reaction to defend the 34 00:03:14,240 --> 00:03:20,639 institution whenever there's criticism. And this happened during the Bush administration, this happened 35 00:03:20,680 --> 00:03:25,360 during This happened during Obama, this happened during Frankly, it happened during Trump. 36 00:03:27,199 --> 00:03:31,759 This institutional defense mechanism. And then you have parts of the DJ like 37 00:03:32,439 --> 00:03:38,280 Office of Professional Responsibility or the Inspector General, and outsiders think that these entities 38 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:45,560 exist the whole people accountable. No, no, no, they exist to 39 00:03:45,639 --> 00:03:51,360 explain why nothing bad happened. There are some occasions where the Inspector General will 40 00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:55,560 criticize something, like they did the voting section for having partisan biases in around 41 00:03:55,599 --> 00:04:01,199 twenty twelve or so, but generally speaking, the Justice Department is above accountability. 42 00:04:01,199 --> 00:04:04,759 So when I hear Marik Garland say what you just read, my reaction 43 00:04:04,919 --> 00:04:10,280 is, oh, this is that old familiar institutionalism, that old time defense 44 00:04:10,319 --> 00:04:15,600 of the Department speaking more than I hear a threat that's interesting. I think 45 00:04:15,600 --> 00:04:21,480 about what we've experienced over the last three and a half years, and I'm 46 00:04:21,519 --> 00:04:31,439 just curious how that institutionalism informs how it approaches election integrity in America. What 47 00:04:31,480 --> 00:04:36,519 are you seeing on that front from this Department of Justice, Because it's the 48 00:04:36,560 --> 00:04:45,639 same kind of thinking that's applied here, that questioning our elections in America makes 49 00:04:45,680 --> 00:04:48,879 you an election denier, which is supposed to be the less scarlet letter of 50 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:55,240 course for all things election integrity. And they have a different view of election 51 00:04:55,319 --> 00:05:00,079 integrity certainly than I do. But how does that institutionalism inform the law enforcement 52 00:05:00,199 --> 00:05:04,279 arm when it comes to election integrity? Fascinating you point that out, because 53 00:05:04,319 --> 00:05:09,439 the voting section and the Justice Department, where I worked, is where my 54 00:05:09,600 --> 00:05:14,720 theory starts to snap a little bit, because the folks in the voting section. 55 00:05:14,800 --> 00:05:17,439 Look, I worked in the voting section. It is the epicenter of 56 00:05:17,639 --> 00:05:27,319 the Department of Justice election related power, and there it's a free for all. 57 00:05:28,199 --> 00:05:32,600 Institutionalism starts to fail a little bit because of the documented misconduct over the 58 00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:41,079 years. For example, the Department's been sanctioned millions of dollars by courts for 59 00:05:41,480 --> 00:05:47,360 bringing bogus claims in court relating to electional This is documented. If I had 60 00:05:47,360 --> 00:05:50,639 a PDF I could throw out to your listeners that would pop up in their 61 00:05:50,639 --> 00:05:59,759 eyes right now where these sanctions are documented. So the voting section, so 62 00:06:00,319 --> 00:06:05,240 of hardcore progressives, not just liberals, guys. Liberal is an outdated term. 63 00:06:05,319 --> 00:06:14,560 These are hardcore progressives that come from the election activists extreme where it's kind 64 00:06:14,560 --> 00:06:19,319 of hard to defend their behavior sometimes, and that's where the theory starts to 65 00:06:19,360 --> 00:06:25,920 fail, is because they're so far on the fringe that institutionalism doesn't even work. 66 00:06:26,079 --> 00:06:29,040 And to an extent, I'll tell you the truth, they're not doing 67 00:06:29,120 --> 00:06:31,160 a whole lot. You know. We like to think of the Department of 68 00:06:31,279 --> 00:06:35,240 Justice like as stomping around everywhere when it comes to the voting section. They're 69 00:06:35,240 --> 00:06:41,600 actually not. I think that they're afraid of criticism. That's just my take. 70 00:06:42,199 --> 00:06:45,600 But there's also a sloth, yes, I said it. If you're 71 00:06:45,639 --> 00:06:54,160 listening. I've seen how slowly some attorneys work inside that agency, and I 72 00:06:54,199 --> 00:06:57,240 think that might explain why they're not as active in the last couple of years, 73 00:06:58,480 --> 00:07:02,120 you know, the progressives, And I think you're absolutely right. You 74 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:09,279 know, liberal is an outdated term. These are far left activists serving inside 75 00:07:09,720 --> 00:07:14,000 the deep state, if you will. But there's a deep state that goes 76 00:07:14,120 --> 00:07:17,519 well beyond Washington, d C. And you folks at pill for dealing with 77 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:25,040 that every day, the progressives that are inside election administration in states across this 78 00:07:25,160 --> 00:07:29,600 country. And I think immediately of a state that I covered extensively in twenty 79 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:34,920 twenty in Wisconsin where we had the Zuckerbuck situation, and the folks at the 80 00:07:34,959 --> 00:07:43,240 Foundation have been crucial in exposing that as well as many of the other progressive 81 00:07:43,480 --> 00:07:49,839 agenda and progressive initiatives that are going on that are so far outside election integrity 82 00:07:49,959 --> 00:07:54,959 it's startling. I guess let's start there with the work that PILF has been 83 00:07:55,000 --> 00:08:03,240 doing, because I immediately think of your efforts in Green Bay have a clerk, 84 00:08:03,519 --> 00:08:09,279 a city clerk there, top election official who has been has had some 85 00:08:09,839 --> 00:08:18,399 legal issues, and those legal issues were very much brought forward by the Foundation. 86 00:08:20,639 --> 00:08:24,759 Yeah. Look, we've been active in Wisconsin and we brought a case 87 00:08:24,639 --> 00:08:28,759 against the Green Bay clerk. One of the things we found is happening in 88 00:08:28,800 --> 00:08:35,919 Wisconsin is they're not following the law as it relates to same day registrants, 89 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:39,840 meaning you just walk up and vote without registering ahead of time, and there's 90 00:08:39,840 --> 00:08:43,679 a procedure they're supposed to follow. They're supposed to send a confirmation mailing that 91 00:08:43,720 --> 00:08:48,600 the address is real, and if the confirmation mailing bounces or otherwise fails, 92 00:08:50,200 --> 00:08:54,320 there is supposed to be a referral to the district attorney for possible criminal prosecution. 93 00:08:54,759 --> 00:09:00,960 Well, guess what, All over Wisconsin clerks have decided just to ignore 94 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:07,120 that law, this central feature of election integrity for same day registration. Otherwise 95 00:09:07,159 --> 00:09:09,840 you can just walk up and vote in Wisconsin, like even if you're from 96 00:09:09,840 --> 00:09:15,480 Iowa. So we found that the Green Bay clerk was just ignoring it, 97 00:09:15,840 --> 00:09:18,399 and so we brought a case against her. And guess what we found. 98 00:09:18,720 --> 00:09:20,480 She didn't even know what the law was. I mean, it's worse than 99 00:09:20,600 --> 00:09:24,320 ignoring it. She was bewildered, she said, I don't know the laws. 100 00:09:24,799 --> 00:09:28,559 This is not us saying what she said, This is her saying what 101 00:09:28,600 --> 00:09:35,600 she said. Just absolutely amazing how much of that is playing out in election 102 00:09:35,759 --> 00:09:41,799 offices across the country. You know, we talk about the willful problems in 103 00:09:41,879 --> 00:09:46,480 place breaking election law, but how much ignorance is built into this? Yeah, 104 00:09:46,480 --> 00:09:52,279 some of it. It's hard to know sometimes where the incompetence stops and 105 00:09:52,360 --> 00:09:56,480 the malfeasance begins. Right, it's a gray line. And in the case 106 00:09:56,519 --> 00:10:01,320 of Green Bay, you have an election official who midsheeting even know what the 107 00:10:01,360 --> 00:10:05,519 core election law was like to keep the election safe. If this was Florida, 108 00:10:05,639 --> 00:10:09,159 which is not, but if this is Florida, Governor DeSantis has the 109 00:10:09,200 --> 00:10:15,120 power, for example, in Florida to remove incompetent election officials. In Green 110 00:10:15,159 --> 00:10:16,600 Bay, it's a little more complicated, but we're going to be looking at 111 00:10:16,639 --> 00:10:24,039 that. Yeah, I can certainly tell you covering Wisconsin politics, leftist Governor 112 00:10:24,080 --> 00:10:26,840 Tony Evers is not going to do anything close to that, nor do I 113 00:10:26,840 --> 00:10:31,240 believe he has the power to do that. That said, in Green Bay, 114 00:10:31,399 --> 00:10:37,120 you have a clerk who was very instrumental in the Zuckerbuck scandal. In 115 00:10:37,159 --> 00:10:43,200 Green Bay, if you recall in twenty twenty, they used the Mark Zuckerberg 116 00:10:43,320 --> 00:10:48,360 funding on election administration so to speak. Basically, it was a get out 117 00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:54,200 the vote effort and an effort to embed leftist activist inside of election offices in 118 00:10:54,320 --> 00:11:01,759 Green Bay, Milwaukee Madison, and other big Milwaukee Democrats holds. You had 119 00:11:01,480 --> 00:11:07,519 in that case a longtime Democrat operative who was embedded in the Green Bay election 120 00:11:07,639 --> 00:11:13,360 administration offices. He had the keys to the room where they stored the absentee 121 00:11:13,399 --> 00:11:18,080 ballots. And I bring all of this up because it's not just Green Bay 122 00:11:18,120 --> 00:11:22,960 where this happened in twenty twenty. You had all kinds of these sorts of 123 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:30,480 things. And yet we are told by the people in power that we are 124 00:11:30,519 --> 00:11:35,080 supposed to say that everything is just fine, that there is no problem at 125 00:11:35,080 --> 00:11:39,279 all with leftist being involved at the very least. Don't we have a perception 126 00:11:39,480 --> 00:11:46,759 problem in America with the leftist activism that's going on in our elections. Yeah, 127 00:11:46,799 --> 00:11:50,559 for sure. I mean it's way worse than even people know. I 128 00:11:50,559 --> 00:11:54,919 mean, there's this is how bad it gets. There are five to one 129 00:11:54,960 --> 00:12:00,679 c three progressive groups set up that are parachuting employees for free, just like 130 00:12:00,679 --> 00:12:05,879 they're doing the media to small town newspapers, they're parachuting employees into election offices 131 00:12:07,399 --> 00:12:13,080 to work for free inside those election offices as employees. And there are progressive 132 00:12:13,120 --> 00:12:16,519 groups set up to do that. Is there anything illegal about that? What's 133 00:12:16,559 --> 00:12:18,639 the law? Tell me a lot that's being broken. So you see the 134 00:12:18,679 --> 00:12:24,879 problem here. The left is just so devious and creative and figuring out how 135 00:12:24,960 --> 00:12:28,200 to influence the levers of power. They keep cooking up stuff that the right 136 00:12:28,200 --> 00:12:31,840 would never even think of, Like can you imagine a meeting of conservative tea 137 00:12:31,879 --> 00:12:37,120 partiers like, hey, let's form a C three that makes employees available for 138 00:12:37,200 --> 00:12:41,039 free for election offices all over the country. And then yeah, I mean 139 00:12:41,039 --> 00:12:45,639 it just would never happen. Yeah, no doubt about it. And you 140 00:12:45,679 --> 00:12:48,279 know, if it did happen, it's it's the Zuckerbuck situation. Say you 141 00:12:48,360 --> 00:12:54,399 had a tea party group that did exactly that provided hundreds of millions of dollars 142 00:12:54,559 --> 00:13:00,440 for election administration. I mean, there would be headlines every day for us 143 00:13:00,519 --> 00:13:05,639 the accomplice media. There would be investigations by your former agency, the Department 144 00:13:05,639 --> 00:13:09,200 of Justice. I mean, it would be amazing. So the disconnect there 145 00:13:09,840 --> 00:13:16,320 is astounding. Let's talk about some of the modern work that you're doing. 146 00:13:16,960 --> 00:13:22,639 It's so critical. I'm thinking of the work that PILF is doing across particularly 147 00:13:22,759 --> 00:13:28,519 the swing states, like we said Wisconsin, those six or seven states that 148 00:13:28,799 --> 00:13:33,720 ultimately very likely could decide the outcome of this twenty twenty four election. Your 149 00:13:33,759 --> 00:13:43,399 work recently in Nevada is absolutely amazing. It involves really and on the ground, 150 00:13:43,480 --> 00:13:48,440 boots on the ground investigation finding out that there are people on that polluted 151 00:13:48,559 --> 00:13:56,759 voting list in Nevada that have at least they're claim to be living at commercial 152 00:13:58,080 --> 00:14:05,919 commercial addresses, everything from casinos to funeral homes to strip clubs. You've got 153 00:14:07,080 --> 00:14:11,159 a great video out on this. Tell us a little bit about that investigation 154 00:14:11,279 --> 00:14:15,559 and what it really ultimately says about the voter rolls in Nevada. Yeah, 155 00:14:15,600 --> 00:14:18,799 and don't forget the lynchpin of this is Nevada has automatic male voting. Yes, 156 00:14:18,879 --> 00:14:24,960 that's what makes us like hyper speed. So commercial addresses, You're right, 157 00:14:26,159 --> 00:14:31,759 Larry Flint's hustler club, dive bars, pot shops, liquor stores. 158 00:14:33,559 --> 00:14:35,799 We went and we went to these addresses looking for the voter. You got 159 00:14:35,799 --> 00:14:39,080 to see the video. I mean, some people think it's funny, some 160 00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:41,919 people think it's tragic. I think it's a little both. I laugh and 161 00:14:43,039 --> 00:14:46,679 cry when I watch it too. Yeah, and you know they're like you 162 00:14:46,720 --> 00:14:48,559 walk in and they're like, we're looking for Joe Smith, and the lady 163 00:14:48,600 --> 00:14:52,159 looks and goes, this is a casino, like or you go to like 164 00:14:52,200 --> 00:14:56,559 a seven eleven or a bar and they're like nobody here lives here by that 165 00:14:56,639 --> 00:15:01,080 name or the sonic drive in. This is where ballots are going. Folks, 166 00:15:01,440 --> 00:15:05,559 when you watch this video PILF Nevada video, go watch it. You 167 00:15:05,559 --> 00:15:09,639 can find it on Google or at public indurstleagual dot org. Ballots are going 168 00:15:09,639 --> 00:15:13,759 to these places, that's what you need. And they're being voted from these 169 00:15:13,759 --> 00:15:16,799 places. So something is off the rails of Nevada. That's why we filed 170 00:15:16,799 --> 00:15:22,240 a lawsuit in Washoe County, which is Reno. There's going to be more 171 00:15:22,279 --> 00:15:26,600 coming shortly, and we're asking for something more than nothing to be done about 172 00:15:26,600 --> 00:15:31,279 this because nothing is what's being done now. And guess what here comes Mark 173 00:15:31,279 --> 00:15:37,480 Elias and all the progressive groups trying to intervene in the case to defend the 174 00:15:37,519 --> 00:15:41,000 broken status quo, which is what they're professionals at. And so that's what 175 00:15:41,039 --> 00:15:45,960 we're fighting in Nevada. It's a disaster waiting to happen. The disaster has 176 00:15:45,960 --> 00:15:52,120 already happened in Nevada. You have had Senate elections decided by more problemat or 177 00:15:52,159 --> 00:15:56,919 fewer problematic votes than we found problematic voters. So this is a real serious 178 00:15:56,960 --> 00:16:03,960 problem in Nevada. That's very interesting to me, not surprising, but interesting 179 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:11,279 that Mark Elias, of course the Democrat party fixer, he of the infamous 180 00:16:11,360 --> 00:16:18,960 Russian dossier. How he is getting involved. What is their defense for What 181 00:16:18,120 --> 00:16:25,480 is their argument for defending people who put commercial addresses clearly against the law in 182 00:16:25,559 --> 00:16:30,080 Nevada as their principal address. Yeah, it's a cry wolf exercise. He 183 00:16:30,120 --> 00:16:36,440 does this all over the country. He spools up these progressive AstroTurf organizations and 184 00:16:36,480 --> 00:16:38,080 they follow a legal brief which they've done in our case, which we have 185 00:16:38,159 --> 00:16:42,759 to respond to. I think we're responding today that says, oh, if 186 00:16:42,799 --> 00:16:48,799 you listen to these evil conservatives, there will be eligible people improperly removed from 187 00:16:48,799 --> 00:16:56,080 the roles. Nonsense. There is nobody that we have tagged with a bogus 188 00:16:56,080 --> 00:17:00,799 address in Nevada that lives at this address. We've been to all of the 189 00:17:00,879 --> 00:17:07,079 locations. It's not some data exercise we see sitting at a computer in Chicago. 190 00:17:07,240 --> 00:17:11,880 We've actually boots on the ground, visited and looked for the voter and 191 00:17:11,920 --> 00:17:15,759 they don't exist. So you know, Mark Elias is in the business of 192 00:17:15,839 --> 00:17:22,480 defending the riches of a disastrous election system with universal vote by mail that are 193 00:17:22,519 --> 00:17:30,200 sending ballots automatically to thousands of bogus addresses, thousands, and apparently it's in 194 00:17:30,240 --> 00:17:34,839 the business of defending lawlessness, which you are in the business of fighting against. 195 00:17:34,920 --> 00:17:41,720 Of course at the foundation. This is something that is not just happening 196 00:17:41,759 --> 00:17:49,039 in Nevada. I say that something is the awful and very dirty voter roles. 197 00:17:49,559 --> 00:17:56,440 You're fighting these battles across the country. Let's talk about where voter rolls 198 00:17:56,480 --> 00:18:03,480 are a big problem, particularly as we've just months before the twenty twenty four 199 00:18:03,519 --> 00:18:06,440 election. Yeah, Pennsylvania, Michigan are the real ones. I mean, 200 00:18:06,480 --> 00:18:08,880 look, we've got cases in the last year from Alaska to Maine. We 201 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:15,839 just beat Maine on a transparracy issue involving elections at their radical Secretary state Sheena 202 00:18:15,880 --> 00:18:19,839 Bello's appeal to the first circuit and she lost. We won. And so 203 00:18:19,920 --> 00:18:23,960 there's all over the country. I mean even in Louisiana we have cases. 204 00:18:23,960 --> 00:18:29,599 We have cases I think like fifteen active states, Minnesota, Wisconsin, but 205 00:18:29,799 --> 00:18:34,240 Michigan and Pennsylvania. First of all, Michigan. Michigan has had twenty seven 206 00:18:34,359 --> 00:18:38,640 thousand dead voters on the active roles. Some have been dead for decades, 207 00:18:40,039 --> 00:18:45,480 and we found this through hard work visiting grave sites, verifying the death, 208 00:18:45,480 --> 00:18:51,119 talking to family members. That's the other thing is family members come to us 209 00:18:51,160 --> 00:18:55,160 and say, we keep getting ballots from my uncle who died two decades ago. 210 00:18:55,960 --> 00:19:00,400 So we sued Joscelyn Benson, the Secretary of State, and that case 211 00:19:00,519 --> 00:19:06,759 was dismissed in a very novel area of federal law under the NVIRA. In 212 00:19:06,799 --> 00:19:10,519 other words, it's never been ruled on what it means in thirty years since 213 00:19:10,599 --> 00:19:15,559 passage of motor voter We're now at the Sixth Circuit Court of Appeals going to 214 00:19:15,640 --> 00:19:18,599 argue the case that you need to have clean voter rules. This has never 215 00:19:18,640 --> 00:19:22,960 been argued before. This case. It's called Public Intertleo Foundation versus Benson, 216 00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:27,480 and it's about thousands, tens of thousands of dead voters that Jocelyn Benson won't 217 00:19:27,480 --> 00:19:33,119 remove. The next case is Pennsylvania. Pennsylvania has been allowing non citizens to 218 00:19:33,160 --> 00:19:38,200 register for twenty years as part of a glitch in their pen Dot motor voter 219 00:19:38,319 --> 00:19:44,559 system, and we discovered this about seven years ago. We sued to get 220 00:19:44,599 --> 00:19:48,079 the records of what they're doing about it. We won in federal court. 221 00:19:48,440 --> 00:19:53,279 In the lower court it's called summary judgment, and Pennsylvania doesn't want to turn 222 00:19:53,279 --> 00:19:57,000 over the record, so they've appealed to the Third Circuit Court of Appeals, 223 00:19:57,039 --> 00:20:02,799 which is a federal appeals court in Philly, and we're fighting them there. 224 00:20:02,920 --> 00:20:08,000 And so these election officials in places like Pennsylvania, Michigan, Nevada that weren't 225 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:12,720 court against are not on the side of election integrity. They are on the 226 00:20:12,839 --> 00:20:18,039 side of a broken system in defending the status quo. So much for free, 227 00:20:18,039 --> 00:20:26,400 fair and open elections. I think the biggest issue that your organization faces, 228 00:20:26,559 --> 00:20:30,400 in fact, let's call it what it is, but this country faces, 229 00:20:30,039 --> 00:20:34,000 is the transparency problem. You've encountered, as you just noted, you've 230 00:20:34,119 --> 00:20:40,720 encountered this just about everywhere you go, from Pennsylvania, Michigan, Nevada, 231 00:20:40,759 --> 00:20:47,599 and myriad other legal actions that you're involved in. No wonder so few people 232 00:20:47,799 --> 00:20:52,559 have so little faith in the integrity of our elections, Right, Yeah, 233 00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:56,640 I got to toot our own horn a bit. We're real pioneers on the 234 00:20:56,680 --> 00:21:03,160 election transparency. We started this about a decade ago, where we use provisions 235 00:21:03,160 --> 00:21:07,440 of federal law that basically were never used, these public records provisions. The 236 00:21:07,519 --> 00:21:11,960 left used them occasionally, but we're the first conservative group to go in and 237 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:18,119 bring cases in federal court demanding records under this federal law. It's not foya. 238 00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:22,920 Whenever somebody talks about foya, I chuckle. That's like a state and 239 00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:26,960 it's like I call it a yugo. Some people know to ugo is is 240 00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:30,039 a u goo. What I'm talking about is a Lamborghini. We use a 241 00:21:30,079 --> 00:21:36,119 federal statute called Section eight of the NVRA. It's a Lamborghini to get transparency. 242 00:21:36,759 --> 00:21:40,920 And we have defeated and gotten fee awards and hundreds of thousands of dollars. 243 00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:45,279 So if you get a notice letter from us, don't play because we 244 00:21:45,359 --> 00:21:49,119 know how to win these cases. We've gotten huge fee awards against Harris County, 245 00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:57,359 Texas, Pennsylvania, Maine. We win cases to get records, and 246 00:21:59,759 --> 00:22:03,559 so that's how we're cracking open transparency issues. I still see some people using 247 00:22:03,599 --> 00:22:07,480 state foya when it comes to elections. I'm like, you got to be 248 00:22:07,559 --> 00:22:11,799 kidding me, Like that is so outdated. There's powerful tools in the federal 249 00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:18,359 law to get transparency. I think the modern version of that reference would be 250 00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:26,640 the electric vehicle versus the gas powered Lamborghini. But You're absolutely right, and 251 00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:32,279 it brings to mind a case the PILF is involved in in Minnesota and Wisconsin. 252 00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:38,839 It's a huge transparency issue and it certainly involves the Voter Rights Act and 253 00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:48,000 how this is being the NVRA is being misapplied in these states. It's funny 254 00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:51,480 you were able to get some records. We wrote a story about this at 255 00:22:51,519 --> 00:22:55,119 the Federalist. But I thought was most interesting because I know the player is 256 00:22:55,160 --> 00:23:02,720 involved. But when you had told the the people at the Wisconsin Elections Commission, 257 00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:07,720 you've got to turn over this information. You have this snide and snarky 258 00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:15,039 remark from the elections top elections official. Who's really right now? A squadter 259 00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:19,759 in that position. The Senate actually voted to remove her from the position. 260 00:23:19,799 --> 00:23:25,480 They're fighting a big legal battle to keep her in. The left is in 261 00:23:25,519 --> 00:23:30,519 Wisconsin. But she had said in this reply to her pals at her fellow 262 00:23:30,519 --> 00:23:34,000 bureaucrats at WECK, you know who's going to break it to them that we 263 00:23:34,119 --> 00:23:41,359 have, you know, full coverage under the Voter Rights Act. That's really 264 00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:47,039 the core of this issue, is it not. Yeah, so you're on 265 00:23:47,079 --> 00:23:49,799 top of this. So guys, there's forty four states that have to be 266 00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:56,240 transparent. Six of them don't. They got exemptions in nineteen ninety three from 267 00:23:56,279 --> 00:24:00,920 the transparency part of the NBRA. It happens that three of them are swing 268 00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:07,559 states New Hampshire, Wisconsin, and Minnesota, and they got an exemption thirty 269 00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:11,319 years ago because they had same day registration, and because they had same day 270 00:24:11,319 --> 00:24:15,079 registration, they didn't have to comply with anything else in the NVRA, like 271 00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:21,200 keeping clean voter rolls or being transparent. Well, thirty years is a long 272 00:24:21,279 --> 00:24:25,319 time, and now twenty two other states have same day exempt you know, 273 00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:30,480 same day registration, but they're not exempted from the NVRA obligations. So we 274 00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:37,160 set up, like you said, a challenge to these exemptions in Minnesota, 275 00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:41,359 Wisconsin, and we asked Megan Wolf is their name? We asked her for 276 00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:45,920 these records and she hit reply to all too fast and got very snarky and 277 00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:49,599 said, who wants to break the news that we're not covered by NVRA. 278 00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:52,640 Of course we knew, We knew, as like, oh yeah, we're 279 00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:56,759 that big of idiots, like we wouldn't know this. This is all an 280 00:24:56,799 --> 00:25:00,519 effort. We're going to test whether or not. Remember states joined the Union 281 00:25:00,559 --> 00:25:07,039 to be treated equally in seventeen eighty seven and every state thereafter. They didn't 282 00:25:07,039 --> 00:25:10,519 think there were going to be junior states and senior states. And so the 283 00:25:10,599 --> 00:25:17,200 fact that Wisconsin and Minnesota don't have to comply with the transparency and list maintenance 284 00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:25,319 obligations of the NVRA is no longer congruent, proportional, or proper in the 285 00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:29,839 intervening thirty years. Maybe one time it was constitutional, but we argue that 286 00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:33,839 times have changed. You can't treat states unequally. I think this is a 287 00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:41,359 very compelling legal argument. I think it's an extremely important lawsuit. I think 288 00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:48,039 with possible ramifications, you know, going on down the road, the impacts, 289 00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:52,839 at least to me, are very clear. J. Christian Adams as 290 00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:59,839 President and General Counsel of the Public Interest Legal Foundation, public interest law firm 291 00:26:00,079 --> 00:26:03,920 dedicated to election integrity, and that is exactly what we are talking about today. 292 00:26:06,319 --> 00:26:08,839 It's interesting to me, PILF and there are some others that come to 293 00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:19,240 mind, you know. I there is so much rancor surrounding this issue, 294 00:26:19,279 --> 00:26:23,319 of course, and much of it, if not most of it, is 295 00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:27,759 driven by the left. But give credit where credit is due. They've been 296 00:26:27,839 --> 00:26:33,799 extremely good and extremely effective at law fair. It seems to me we only 297 00:26:33,799 --> 00:26:40,319 have a handful of really good fighters in this area, and unfortunately, we 298 00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:45,160 have too many Republicans and Conservatives in this country who just give in because they 299 00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:51,119 don't want to be labeled election deniers. PILF doesn't have that problem. You 300 00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:56,759 guys go to fight. You've been among the most successful on the election integrity 301 00:26:56,839 --> 00:27:00,720 law fair front in America today. Yeah, I look, I share our 302 00:27:00,799 --> 00:27:07,160 theory on this and our institutional philosophy. You can't go to court with the 303 00:27:07,279 --> 00:27:14,480 judge thinking that you're crazies. Okay. You can't bring every single claim you 304 00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:18,000 can think of. You have to be laser focused. You have to think 305 00:27:18,079 --> 00:27:22,079 up winning cases. You can't just throw everything against the wall and see what 306 00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:26,359 sticks, because that's when you get sanctioned as a lawyer. That's when you 307 00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:29,079 lose cases over and over again. I'm not going to name any names. 308 00:27:29,079 --> 00:27:32,920 They are not in business anymore. But there are people back in twenty twenty 309 00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:37,200 that literally lost everything they brought, and it damaged the playing field for everybody 310 00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:41,160 else. It damaged the playing field for our friends at Judicial Watch, It 311 00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:45,359 damaged the playing field for our friends at America First Policy Institute, the people 312 00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:49,039 who are doing good work got hurt by the people doing bad work. And 313 00:27:49,519 --> 00:27:52,359 I call out people all the time on this. I'm like, stop bringing 314 00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:56,599 garbage. You can't just bring everything. You got to bring good stuff. 315 00:27:57,039 --> 00:28:00,839 Now, you guys have brought some excell and stuff and it shows in the 316 00:28:00,839 --> 00:28:06,240 record your success that you've had, and that success is so critical. How 317 00:28:06,319 --> 00:28:11,799 much of what you are battling against, like an attorney, a good attorney, 318 00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:15,039 I think I know the answer to this question already, But how much 319 00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:22,319 of the lawsuits, the research on that front that you're doing is going to 320 00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:26,960 play a critical role in November's election? You know, we see the polling 321 00:28:27,599 --> 00:28:33,839 we see on the presidential side of thing things. Former President Donald Trump has 322 00:28:33,559 --> 00:28:41,200 you know, in some cases a commanding lead in particularly the swing states. 323 00:28:41,079 --> 00:28:49,599 But polls don't make presidents. Ballots make presidents. How much of what the 324 00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:56,000 left is doing in law, fair and in practice an election administration will have 325 00:28:56,039 --> 00:29:00,680 an impact on the twenty twenty four election is doing certainly is now. Remember 326 00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:03,960 we're a five to one C three charity, so we aren't a partisan group. 327 00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:07,599 We can't say, oh, we're doing this hell President Trump, because 328 00:29:07,599 --> 00:29:11,200 that's we're doing this to restore the rule of law. Sure, but you 329 00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:15,720 know cases like Pennsylvania. I bring Pennsylvania up in the aliens voting that we 330 00:29:15,839 --> 00:29:21,400 found and discovered and I think led to it getting stopped, is now showing 331 00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:26,079 up as something that's going to influence a twenty four election because there's no longer 332 00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:30,559 tens of thousands of aliens getting registered in Florida the way they had been with 333 00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:36,640 an open invitation. That's just one. It's important to realize that there's no 334 00:29:36,839 --> 00:29:41,880 silver bullet case. This is a grind. You have to bring what seems 335 00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:47,119 like a granular lawsuit in order to eventually affect the big thing. Some people 336 00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:49,680 who bring the big let's solve it all lawsuits, they always lose. You 337 00:29:49,799 --> 00:29:53,640 can't. You can't change the world in a lawsuit. So you've got to 338 00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:57,519 fight where there's a fight to be fought. And you know, the Pennsylvania 339 00:29:57,559 --> 00:30:07,079 alien voting case is one. The fact that Pittsburgh was registering people seven times 340 00:30:07,119 --> 00:30:12,160 were Sean slay people we found on the voter rolls, literally with seven registrations. 341 00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:17,720 I'm not making that number up. Seven times simultaneously. This guy was 342 00:30:17,799 --> 00:30:22,200 registered. Judith Presto voted after she died. We found that her husband got 343 00:30:22,279 --> 00:30:27,000 arrested. Over and over and over again. We're fighting the granular fight to 344 00:30:27,559 --> 00:30:33,640 you know, help Ron De Santis with his criminal prosecutions down there. You 345 00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:37,359 know, it's not one big silver bullet. It's a day in, day 346 00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:42,119 out grind. So let's focus on an issue that you brought up in particular, 347 00:30:42,799 --> 00:30:49,400 how significant is the non citizen threat you hear from the left all the 348 00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:53,599 time? You know, the Save Act is dealing with that. Save Act 349 00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:59,079 obviously an important piece of legislation, but let's be realistic about it. It's 350 00:30:59,119 --> 00:31:03,960 not going to go anywhere with Democrats in charge of the Senate. But how 351 00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:12,200 significant is the potential that non citizens voting in our elections could have an impact 352 00:31:12,319 --> 00:31:15,640 on our elections? Well, they do already. And look, this is 353 00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:21,920 something the left wants to disappear from the public narrative. I testified to Congress 354 00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:23,839 on this, I think three weeks ago, to the House Administration Committee, 355 00:31:25,279 --> 00:31:33,400 and the congresswoman from California entered into an alternative universe of personal attacks because they 356 00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:37,160 don't anybody to talk about this their names torres. Look, we have so 357 00:31:37,279 --> 00:31:44,279 many reports of the public interslegal foundation that we have published the government documents in 358 00:31:44,319 --> 00:31:48,000 Pennsylvania. For example, it's called Stealing the Vote. Is the name. 359 00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:52,839 The name of the report is called Stealing the Vote. Where we present the 360 00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:56,839 letters that these aliens are writing saying, please take me off the voter rolls. 361 00:31:57,279 --> 00:32:01,200 I got registered accidentally. I didn't want to be registered. Someone else 362 00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:07,160 registered me. I'm not a citizen, and then we show their voting histories. 363 00:32:07,519 --> 00:32:12,440 Okay. We have reports called Garden State, Gotcha about New Jersey. 364 00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:17,480 We have safe Spaces about sanctuary cities. We have a report about North Carolina 365 00:32:17,559 --> 00:32:22,119 where we collected data of non citizens voting and how they got on the rules. 366 00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:28,440 This is stuff political science professors at Harvard should be studying, not a 367 00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:32,160 bunch of lawyers at the Public Interest Legal Foundation. This is a serious national 368 00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:37,400 problem about our broken system. And if I were to look at what the 369 00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:43,799 political science departments of the top Ivy League schools are studying instead, you understand 370 00:32:43,799 --> 00:32:49,000 what's wrong with Ivy League schools at that point. And so we are documenting 371 00:32:49,039 --> 00:32:52,599 the problem with government records that you can go get at our web page. 372 00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:55,400 Now you ask the question how big is it, Well, I'd sure like 373 00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:59,920 to have Pennsylvania turnover all the records were in court to get because I can 374 00:33:00,119 --> 00:33:04,519 tell you the exact number of aliens who register in Pennsylvania, how many of 375 00:33:04,559 --> 00:33:08,279 them voted in elections, which is usually almost always, and what did they 376 00:33:08,279 --> 00:33:12,839 do to fix the problem. We're on this case, we're arguing it, 377 00:33:13,039 --> 00:33:15,039 like I said, at the third Circuit, and once we get those records, 378 00:33:15,359 --> 00:33:20,559 we'll have much more definitive information. But it shows you how hard they 379 00:33:20,599 --> 00:33:24,160 fight to hide the truth. But the truth is out there. Speaking of 380 00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:30,200 hiding the truth, there is hiding the truth and then silencing the people who 381 00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:34,720 are bringing you the truth. We know that that is a significant part of 382 00:33:34,799 --> 00:33:39,079 election interference in America today. The Federalist has extensively reported on that coming from 383 00:33:39,119 --> 00:33:45,480 our federal agencies, including the Department of Homeland Security, which is kind of 384 00:33:45,839 --> 00:33:53,519 the focus point of the so called disinformation campaign, which is really nothing more 385 00:33:53,799 --> 00:34:01,319 than a silencing act against those who rightly criticize election integrity in America. Has 386 00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:07,799 PILF been Obviously, you've not been silenced. You've been quite successful and you 387 00:34:07,839 --> 00:34:10,719 continue to do the work. But do you live under that threat as an 388 00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:17,000 organization taking on the powers that be? Now? You know what I long 389 00:34:17,079 --> 00:34:23,480 ago became not worried about fear right like I think Rush Limbaugh had a great 390 00:34:23,559 --> 00:34:29,639 line he said, the most liberating moment is when you no longer stop caring 391 00:34:29,679 --> 00:34:35,159 about what other people think. And I don't care about criticism from the Washington 392 00:34:35,199 --> 00:34:38,320 Post and so forth, so I and certainly not from the government. Holy 393 00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:42,880 moly, I don't think there was anybody out there who was more aggressive toward 394 00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:45,639 Eric Holder than I was from twenty ten, you know, to when he 395 00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:51,360 stopped being ag So you know, if I'm if I'm willing to take on 396 00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:54,079 Eric Holder, I'm not too worried about some criticism. Now you're referring to 397 00:34:54,280 --> 00:35:00,719 SISA Center for something security. It's inside DHA. That's right. This was 398 00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:06,440 set up in the either end of Obama or very beginning of Trump. And 399 00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:09,760 I got to tell you it should have been it should have been euthanized in 400 00:35:10,119 --> 00:35:16,039 its early life, but it was not. It was allowed by Chris Krebs, 401 00:35:16,079 --> 00:35:22,679 a DHS official, and the Trump administration to survive and then thrive and 402 00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:28,920 bulk up. And this is a lesson for the future that you cannot allow 403 00:35:29,039 --> 00:35:36,599 the deep state to create nodes of pushback. And that's exactly what Sissil was. 404 00:35:37,199 --> 00:35:42,400 I was on the Presidential Advisory Commission for Election Integrity pointed by President Trump. 405 00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:45,840 The left went crazy at this commission. That's why they sued it out 406 00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:51,239 of existence. But the point is SIS has survived and we didn't. That 407 00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:57,199 showed the imbalance. And both of these were part of that administration and one 408 00:35:57,239 --> 00:36:00,880 should have been snuffed out and the other one should have been promoted that the 409 00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:05,599 exact opposite have. Yeah, I mean, I guess I'm curious to know 410 00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:09,840 that if former President Trump is re elected. If you know, he has 411 00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:15,199 positioned himself as a swamp fighter, but some of the swampiest creatures existed under 412 00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:20,920 his administration. I know he's publicly said he's not happy about that, but 413 00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:25,480 it would be interesting to see just what happens to assistsa moving forward. And 414 00:36:25,519 --> 00:36:31,320 it's not the criticism. I mean, we're all adults here. We can 415 00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:36,400 handle the criticism. And lord knows, your organization and our organization has received 416 00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:42,280 plenty of it for going up against the big power players in the deep state. 417 00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:46,559 What I'm talking about is silenced and there are all kinds of ways of 418 00:36:46,599 --> 00:36:52,880 being silenced and threatened. Have you had issues, for instance, with your 419 00:36:53,159 --> 00:37:00,000 website. You know, the sorts of games that big tech has played along 420 00:37:00,199 --> 00:37:06,440 side the sisters of the world to try to, you know, shut down 421 00:37:06,519 --> 00:37:09,159 your voice. Yeah, you know what, that's a good question, and 422 00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:15,360 I do remember. I do remember some you know a lot of times we'll 423 00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:19,360 post something and Twitter will play or whatever it is now, we'll play games 424 00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:23,280 and like, don't you want to read the story first? Or YouTube was 425 00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:28,800 throttling our stuff at one point. Of course, Wikipedia is just a mouthpiece 426 00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:35,159 for the institutional left, so you eventually stop worrying about them. You know, 427 00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:39,880 it is clear that the left despises anybody who's doing good work in this 428 00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:45,000 area. They never want to partner, They never want to be reasonable, 429 00:37:45,079 --> 00:37:47,599 They always want to lie. You just get used to it, and you 430 00:37:47,679 --> 00:37:52,880 just do your work and win your fights and speak your mind and don't worry 431 00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:58,239 about what the enemy thinks. What is the biggest threat, the biggest single 432 00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:00,559 threat? And I know you deal with multiple threat that's on a daily basis, 433 00:38:00,559 --> 00:38:06,599 But the biggest threat facing our elections today, well, I got to 434 00:38:06,639 --> 00:38:13,119 start with Nevada. I mean, if you were to design a system deliberately 435 00:38:14,039 --> 00:38:23,119 to create the incorrect outcomes based on chaos you would have Nevada statutory system. 436 00:38:23,559 --> 00:38:29,559 It is the worst system of election in the entire United States. It is 437 00:38:29,599 --> 00:38:36,519 an automatic universal mail election with completely corrupted voter roles, with no oversight or 438 00:38:36,559 --> 00:38:40,199 effort to fix the problem that is Nevada. And you know, look, 439 00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:44,800 Nevada is not the most populated state in the country. But right now there's 440 00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:49,440 somebody in the US Senate not named Adam Laxall, and Adam Laxall should be 441 00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:53,920 the United States Senator from Nevada. And because Nevada has a messed up system, 442 00:38:54,519 --> 00:38:59,960 you have somebody other than Adam Laxhelt in the US Senate. So look, 443 00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:02,679 well that's a big threat. I'll tell you the other one. The 444 00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:07,320 other one is the polarization in the country where you have blue state election administrators 445 00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:15,719 like Joscelyn Benson and Sheena Bellows in Maine, and the and the name who 446 00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:20,639 escapes me from Colorado, who's another radical leftist. I can't believe. I 447 00:39:20,639 --> 00:39:23,840 can't remember her name. If thought they head. They just don't care about 448 00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:28,639 the issues that your listeners care about. They hate your listeners, they don't 449 00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:31,639 like them, and they want them to be ground into dust. As far 450 00:39:31,679 --> 00:39:36,519 as their political influence, and that's what scares me. Is a big threat 451 00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:44,599 is ideological election of administrators who are willing to transform the country fundamentally. How 452 00:39:44,639 --> 00:39:49,639 we give power to people. Yeah, there is no common ground with lawlessness, 453 00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:54,159 and I think I hope we've learned those lessons over the last four plus 454 00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:58,679 years in this country. That's and it goes back farther than that, I 455 00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:06,039 know, but and hyper focused moving over again over the last four plus years. 456 00:40:06,559 --> 00:40:13,880 Final question for you, what is it that you ultimately hope to accomplish 457 00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:17,400 in the election integrity work that you are doing. Look, if I could 458 00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:23,199 pick one thing, it would be when lawless actors, whether it's a state 459 00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:30,519 election administrator like Sena Bellows and May who doesn't follow the NVRA transparency provisions, 460 00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:37,079 or some joker in a county, would lawless election officials get a letter from 461 00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:40,239 us or one of our allies. I want the law to be following. 462 00:40:40,639 --> 00:40:46,000 If we can get to a place where the lawless fear the law abiding, 463 00:40:46,679 --> 00:40:52,960 that's where I want to go. I wish you the best of luck on 464 00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:58,079 that front. You've been very successful in accomplishing that mission on a number of 465 00:40:58,079 --> 00:41:00,880 turns, but you know there have been challenges as well well, and that's 466 00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:06,840 why you're still engaged in the fight. I appreciate you taking the time today 467 00:41:07,079 --> 00:41:10,320 and in joining us in the good work that you are doing at PILF. 468 00:41:13,199 --> 00:41:16,440 Thank you for having me. Absolutely thanks to my guest today. I'm Jay 469 00:41:16,519 --> 00:41:22,960 Christian Adams, President and General Counsel of the Public Interest Legal Foundation. You've 470 00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:25,480 been listening to another edition of The Federalist Radio Hour. I'm Matt Kittle, 471 00:41:25,559 --> 00:41:30,119 Senior correspondent at The Federalist. We'll be back soon with more. Until then, 472 00:41:30,679 --> 00:41:51,079 stay lovers of freedom and anxious for the fray