The the the the the the the the the the the the the the the
the the the the the the the the the the the the the All right,
what's up you guys? Uh wild night tonight didn't go then the way
we expected. I thought it was gonna have a stream with Tristan that ended
up being moved because of the batteries in his Internet went dad. We know
down there in Mexico they got double A batteries that run the Internet for Tristan.
So so Tristan had to move it, Move it or lose it.
You better move this shake y'all, bide if on me. Pump up the
jam, pump it. Oh, what's up. We haven't been on a
rock fin for a live stream in a while. We will be getting into
the full pootin interview with commentary via Tucker. We're doing this because this is
the you know, this is like the media event of the year, probably
so makes perfect sense to cover this comments on it. We've studied, obviously
a lot in regard to the geopolitics of East and West Cold War Russia Ukraine.
I first got into this topic back in twenty fourteen when I met Patrick
Henningson did a lot of work in interviews with Patrick over the years, and
at that time we were interested in Syria, but also the Western geopolitical moves
in the Ukraine which were just beginning to ramp up. In fact, that's
how I actually met Mark Hackard. Mark had done a lot of essays for
Taki's mag and other outlets, and hackerd and I hooked up to discuss these
topics on some of my first podcasts back in the day, like nine years
ago, ten years ago. So that got me deeper, interested, deeper
into the Cold War, particularly espionage and intelligence operations. So that's something you
guys know that we cover pretty extensively here on this channel, and Mark will
be coming on very soon because he not only is a talented writer, he's
also a very skilled translator, and he's translated many of the old KGB colonel's
works and essays, and we've got some new translations some new works that he's
put up at Espionage History Archive covering things that are relevant to tonight's discussion.
So and also two things that we've been talking about lately. For example,
Mark has covered the Italian job KGB Gladio and the p To Lodge, and
this is a translation of Leonid Kolosov, the Soviet journalist and undercover KGB author
throughout the Cold War. And if you want access to Mark's essays, they're
all free. You can go read them. They're very relevant to a lot
of what we've talked about over here on this channel and elsewhere. His other
essay is Italian Job KGB, Maffia and Red Brigades in terms of Aldo Moro
and the Latio operations revolving around that engineered kidnapping and eventual death. Now we
covered that in a lot of our recent Gladio discussions, but that's the background,
of course to where we are in our Cold War status today. Thank
you guys. Yeah, I wouldn't even call that a debate. That was
so weird what happened to night. I'll be putting up the clips everywhere because
that guy was really annoying to me. But I mean, we were having
a great conversation and then that guy out of nowhere comes up with the total
normy line like repeating like mainstream NBC news article bullshit from like ten years ago.
Oh yeah, did you get that from your in full Wars over lord?
Who sold Duke Pools a good one? Dude who wrote, who writes
your Beast your jokes daily Beast. I mean he's literally pulling out like he's
copying and pasting from the reddit for both his arguments and his jokes. Right,
the guy didn't know what a fallacy was, didn't know what we were
talking about in terms of logical argumentation, never heard of these terms. The
discussion at the beginning, everything was friendly and by the way, before we
went live, it was agreed upon that it could be a debate. Right,
it wasn't an official formal debate, but Jim Bobs said, if it
turns into debate, that's perfectly fine, that's allowable. Everything in the conversation
was great until I talked about the dreaded Saint Saint Uri Bezmanov. I dared
to criticize Saint Riiy Bezmanov and how Ury Bezmanov pushes uh Skittle's butt stuff,
which he does, and all that's the end of the world. So that
for whatever reason that triggered guy, maybe because he's this single gay man in
an apartment at least that's what that's what he seemed to be to me.
That was the vibe he was giving off to me, and he kind of
melted down when I told him that. So, thank you guys, welcome,
we got we got a nice one hundred here. We're gonna go on
over to the live stream that ridiculous debate, which is actually just more comedic.
It was funny. It was like old school bloodsports types of but he
just wouldn't like the other libertarian I debated like eight months ago. He literally
just sat there and said, I choose not to answer these questions. Okay,
yeah, good job. That's not gonna work in a debate. This
guy actually thought that when I said you can't make fallacious arguments in a debate,
he literally thought I meant he can't physically do it, to which he
responded, I'm a libertarian. I can do whatever the f I want.
And I'm like, you think that's what I meant by saying you can't make
that move in a debate. And that's when I asked him, and so
again are dealing with, like, you know, Bryson Gray, what that
is? What that is? Right, Bryson Gray level? You know what
that is? T Dump level. I don't know what debate is. I
don't know what fallacies are, but uh, you know, you sell dick
pills. I don't even sell dick pills even make any sense. Chalk is
not even a dick pill. Well, you work for joke pills. And
he's like you, you look like you haven't took a shower. You didn't
wash your hair. Good joke, dude, who did the fourth grade class
write that one for you? I mean, what you need to take a
shower and wash your hair. It's literally like a single gay cat lady,
like a like a cat mom in his apartment, which actually turned out to
be a dog. So that kind of ruined my single gay libertarian cat lady
joke. But but regardless, anyway, Yeah, totally arbitrary. Everything to
do said it was just totly arbitrary, and then he got demolished by Jim
Bob and I didn't hear the Andrew part. But all right, so let's
get to the Tucker discussion, focus on serious things. We have had a
lot of super chats over here on Rockton that I've not read. I'll try
to read a few of those throughout the discussion as they come in, and
some of the ones I've not gotten to, I've got a whole list of
them here, going back a few weeks, so I'll be answering those as
we comment on Tucker v. Putin. I'm just kidding, it's not to
be. They're not fighting, all right, let's get into it. Shot
February six, the physical threat, and that now would add to uh,
you know, we've done pretty significant interviews as well with Colonel Douglas McGregor,
who's been very prominent critiquing this whole, uh, this whole issue with Ukraine,
So you know, I've kind of been in the mix of this as
well in terms of prominent people who Ukraine put on their kill list and truly
got shocked us. Yeah. I don't know what Tucker's going to say here,
but my guess would be that, uh, everybody in the West are
complete idiots and have no study of history. They don't know anything about history.
They don't know that the Ukraine as a quote separate state is you know,
comes out of the actions of Vladimir Lenin and Western intelligence has nothing to
do with you know, a thousand years ago, eight hundred years ago,
what was going on in Russia. Ukraine was always the heart of Russia.
So probably Putin was thinking, how do I speak to people in the West
who, according to recent studies, read at or below a sixth grade level.
As we covered the other night deal, and they were saying that,
but it was actually suppressed in the West, right, So the media talked
about the speech, but you could never actually read it unless you went to
like alternative media websites. Right. So that's what's going on here. And
I think I'm absolutely right that the psychology behind why he would do this is
precisely because ninety nine percent of people in the West have no idea what the
history of Ukraine is that the nationalism of Ukraine is a Western Cia and pre
Cia geopolitical strategy. I mean, tiny mustache Man used this exact same strategy,
and that's why step On Bandhara, all the Banderites and so forth,
the neo Nazi contingent is still present in Ukraine. You guys are saying it's
muted, Okay, yeah, excuse me, So I gotta go to multi
Alpa device, so hopefully you can hear it now. Yeah, you didn't
miss anything other than what I was summarizing, so you should be able to
hear it now. In eight hundred eight two, Rurik's successor, Prince Oleg
who was actually playing the role of regent at Rurik's young son, because Rurik
had died by that time, came to kievre that's trying a lot lest he
als. The two brothers, who apparently had one's been members of Ruriks squad.
So Russia began to develop with two centers of power Kievano. The next
very significant date in the history of Russia was nine hundred and eighty eight.
This was the baptism of Russia when Prince Vladimir Are you The following is an
interview with the President of Russia, Vladimir Putin shot February sixth, So you
guys didn't miss anything. It was just literally them setting up the interview and
me saying that it was because he wanted to give Americans a bit of history
background. That was it. So that's all you missed. And I forgot
to collect multi oput device. So there you go. So let me go
back to where we were, and he's just basically given us the history of
the founding of Russia as we know it today. Right, So, young
son, because Rurik had died by that time, came to Kiev. He
alst the two brothers who apparently had once been members of Rurik's squad. So
Russia began to develop with two centers of power Kiev Rourch squad. I love
that like modern language. Yeah, my boys and my squad like puns like
Rurik was very based with his squad of The next very significant date in the
history of Russia was nine hundred eighty eight. This was the Baptism of Russia,
when Prince Vladimir, the great grandson of Rurik baptized Russia and adopted Orthodoxy
or Eastern christian From this time, the centralized Russian state began to strengthen.
Why because of the single territory, integrated economic size one and the same language
and after the Baptism of Russia, the same faith and rule of the prince,
the centralized Russian state began to take shape. Back in the Middle Ages,
Prince Jeroslav the Wise introduced the order of succession to a throne. But
after he passed away, and of course this is very relevant to all of
us because we are Orthodox, not everybody in the audience, but if your
Orthodox, this is very relevant to your history obviously became complicated for various reasons.
The throne was passed not directly from father to eldest son, but from
the prince who had passed away to his brother, then to his sons in
different lines. All this led to the fragmentation and the end of Rus as
a single state. There was nothing special about it. The same was happening
then in Europe still, but the fragmented Russian state became an easy prey to
the empire created earlier baking is Han his successors, namely Batuhan, came to
Rus, plundered and ruined nearly all the cities. The southern part, including
Kiev by the way, and some other cities simply lost independence. Well.
Northern cities preserved some of their sovereignty. They had to pay tribute to the
Horde, but they managed to preserve some part of their sovereignty, and then
a unified Russian state began to take shape, with its center in Moscow.
The southern part of Russian Lens, including Kiev, began to gradually gravitate towards
another magnet, the center that was emerging in Europe. This was the Grand
Duchy of Lithuania. It was even called the Lithuanian Russian Duchy because Russians were
a significant part of this population. They spoke the Old Russian language and were
Orthodox. But then there was a unification, the Union of the Grand Duchy
of Lithuania and the Kingdom of Poland. A few years later another union was
signed, but this time already in the religious sphere. Some of the Orthodox
priests became subordinate to the pope. Thus these lends became part of the Polish
Lithuanian State unids, that's Uniates. During decades, the Polls were engaged in
Polonization of this part of the population. They introduced their language there, tried
to intringe the idea that this population was not exactly Russians, that because they
lived on the fringe, they were Ukrainians. Originally, the word Ukrainian meant
that the person was living on the outskirts of the state, along the fringes,
or was engaged in a border patrol service. It didn't mean any particular
ethnic group. So the Poles were trying to in every possible way to pollenize
this part of the Russian lands and actually treated it rather hurt. This is
why there's that long term between Poles and Russians, and this is a big
part of the Cold War because of course it's a big Nimberzenski was of Polish
nobility, and that played many people, you know, pretty clearly think a
big role in his enmity towards Russia during the Cold War. So a lot
of this is, you know, ancient hostilities going back. So let's see
where this goes, not to say cruely. All that led to the fact
that this part of the Russian Lens began to struggle for their rights. They
wrote letters to Warsaw demanding that their rights be observed and people be commissioned here,
including to Kiev A big pardon, can you tell us what period I'm
losing track of where in history we are the Polish oppression of units. It
was in the thirteenth century, and I should So somebody's asking, how is
Tucker able to know this? This is the old interview? Is this not
the new interview? I thought I thought this this was at the top of
Tucker's feet. I thought this was it? Is this not? It?
Says February eighth, twenty twenty four. So is that Doe trolling me?
Yeah, this is the new interview? What are you talking about? Old
interview? Cryptid refers to yeah, right, this is the new one.
It's got to be. But uh yeah, this is very reminiscent of when
Oliver Stone went and interviewed Putin and that was a big deal if you remember
that at the time. Also, okay, just joking, all right,
I forgot where I was at. Now you just distracted me from everything.
Oh yeah, what happens later somebody asked about Tucker's ear piece, and then
there was another show where people were asking about Tucker's ear piece. When you
go on shows like Alex or whatever, you know, there's probably a small
a small version of this, like sometimes you'll see Alex as you can see
it over his shoulder whatever. But Tucker's probably got a very small something in
his ear. I don't think he speaks Russian, but maybe he doesn't.
I just don't know. And give the dates so that there is no confusion.
And then sixteen fifty four, even a bit earlier. Yes, I
asked. I asked Scooter about the red string, because everybody brings this thing
up, and Scooter said, no, it's just that he puts things around
his risks sometimes to remember stuff. So no, he's not wearing a Kabala
bracelet. The people who were in control of the authority over that part of
the Russian Lands Trust Warsaw, I repeat, demanding that they send them to
rulers of Russian origin and Orthodox faith. When Warsaw did not answer them and
in fact rejected their demands, they'd turned some Moscow so that Moscow took them
away. This is a pretty bold, like big scale, dire style reply
to a question like Tucker asked him a question about what's going on in the
Ukraine. Why is it happening? And putin literally jumps back like fifteen hundred
years to the entire history of Russia because you have to understand all of that
to get to the Ukraine. That's pretty chad move. I like that.
Yeah, when you so that you don't think that I'm inventing things, I'll
give you these documents. Well, it doesn't sound like you're inventing, and
I'm not sure why it's relevant to what happens, but still, these are
documents from the archives, copies. Here's the letters from bog This is like
Alex Jones level, right, folks. I've got the documents here, confirmed
proof of Russia's history, folks. Unbelievable the amount of documents from slav the
wise right. Then you literally brought out a box of the documents like who
must be an Alex Jones fan. This sparked the Russian Lands that is now
called Ukraine. He wrote to Warsaw demanding that their rights be upheld, and
after being refused, he began to write letters to Moscow asking to take them
under the strong hand of the Moscow Tsar. There are copies of these documents.
I will leave them for your good memory. There is a translation into
Russian. You can translate it into English. Later, Russia would not agree
to admit them straight away, assuming that the war with Poland would start.
Nevertheless, in sixteen fifty four, the u Pon Russian Assembly of top clergy
and landowners headed by the Tsar, which was the representative body of the power
of the old Russian state, decided to include a part of the old Russian
Lands into Moscow Kingdom. As expected, the war with Poland began. It
lasted thirteen years, and then in sixteen fifty four a truce was concluded,
and thirty two years later I think a peace treaty with Poland, which they
called Eternal Peace, was signed, and these lands the whole left bank of
Knieper, including Kiev, went to Russia and the whole right Bank of Knipper
remained in Poland under the rule of Katherina the Great. Russia reclaimed all of
its historical lands. YO, would have been really funny if if Tucker had
opened up those documents that he handed them and it said all work and no
flame makes Jack a dol like it was just typed over like Jack Nicholson for
the shining. But yeah, this is important. This part is important too
because including in the South and West, this all lasted until the Revolution.
Before World War One, Austrian General staff relied on the ideas of Ukrainianization and
started actively promoting the ideas of Ukraine and the Ukrainianization. Their motive was obvious.
Just before World War One, they wanted to weaken the potential enemy and
secured themselves favorable conditions in the border area. So the idea which had emerged
in Poland that people residing in that territory were allegedly not really Russians, but
rather belonged to a special ethnic group Ukrainians, started being propagated by the Austrian
General staff as far back as the nineteenth century. This was a thing that
Western people and Western intelligence also began to understand in the British Empire as well
in the too, because there was this old idea that that if you could
link, if Russia ever made a link or an alliance with Germany, that
basically it would be unstoppable. That was one reason that a lot of the
Communists wanted to have you know, East Germany, West German, excuse me,
East Germany as a you know, Soviet state. So there's a geostrategic
idea behind why that was the case. But that's so I think that's probably
playing into what he's talking about here. But yeah, it was very relevant
for then Western strategists to make sure that they could peel off anything that was
that close to Russia. And if the Ukraine, right, if Kiev is
like the heart of Russia, to peel that off is devastating, just symbolically
speaking, even without considering the the geostrate stuff, chirsts calling for Ukrainian independence
appeared. All those, however, claimed that Ukraine should have a very good
relationship with Russia. They insisted on that. After the nineteen seventeen revolution,
the Bolsheviks sought to restore the statehood and the Civil War again, including the
hostilities with Poland. Katori. In nineteen twenty one, piece with Poland was
proclaimed and under that treaty the right bank of Nipper River once again was given
back to Poland. In nineteen thirty nine, after Poland cooperated with Hitler,
it did collaborate with Hitler. You know, Hitler offered Poland peace and a
treaty of friendship an alliance, demanding in return that Poland give back to Germany.
This, by the way, was at the behest of British nudging.
So the British actually, through their dual appeasement plan, got Hitler to go
into Poland, as quickly covers. So that's really important to know too,
because it's not like Hitler was just sort of going rogue and doing whatever he
wanted to, didn't care what anybody. No. He had the dual appeasement
support where the British republicly saying one thing against Hitler, but secretly in the
background they had made an agreement with him that we will not do anything if
you go into Poland, which was intended to sort of nudge him into Poland.
The events car Door, which connected the bulk of Germany with East Prussia
and Kunningsburg. After World War well in this territory was transferred to Poland,
and instead of Danzig, a city of Dansk emerged. Mister Hitler asked them
to give it amicably, but they refused. Of course, still they collaborated
with Hitler and engaged together. You missed it in the partitioning of Czechoslovakia.
But I may ask you. You're making the case that that Ukraine, certainly
parts of Ukraine, Easter Nukraine is in effect Russia has been for hundreds of
years. Why wouldn't you just take it when you became president twenty four years
ago? You have nuclear weapons, they don't if it's actually your land,
why did you wait so long? I'll tell you, I'm coming to that
this briefing is coming to an end. It might be boring, but it
explains many things. You just don't know how it's relevant. No at least,
good good, I'm so gratified that you appreciate that. Thank you so.
Before World War Two, Poland collaborated with Hitler, and although it did
not yield to Hitler's demands, it still participated in the partitioning of Czechoslovakia together
with Hitler, as the Poles had not given the dancing courried door to Germany.
It went too far, pushing Hitler to start World War two by attacking
them. Why was it Poland against whom the war started on first September nineteen
thirty nine. Poland turned out to be uncompromising and Hitler had nothing to do
but start implementing his plans with Poland. By the way, the USSR,
I have read some archive documents, behaved very honestly. It asked Poland's permission
to transit its troops through the Polish territory to help Czechoslovakia, but the then
Polish Foreign minister said that if the Soviet plans flew over Poland, they would
be down over the territory of Poland. Your life, But that doesn't matter.
What matters is that the war begun and Poland fell prey to the policies
it has pursued against Czechoslovakia is under the well known malo. This is interesting
because you don't, you know, in academia and in the West, we
don't often get history takes outside of the academic western liberal perspective. So it's
good to hear people from other perspectives. Looking at the Cold War. This
is very reminiscent too of a lot of the great insights and points that Mark
Hackart has made in many of his essays, where for example, he's translated
probably thirty you know, writings from KGB colonel's generals, you know, g
r U, you name it. And it's always good to get their perspective
and see the insights. For example, if we look at the Soviet perspective
on Lord Victor Rothschild, we can very clearly see that both they and the
West in certain sectors were very suspicious of this person, that he might be
a double agent or playing both sides. And that's essentially what you know comes
out in certain recent books, theorizing about Lord Victory being the fifth man of
the Camber's firing and so forth. So it's good to hear these other perspectives
and to get even insights from like what might be in the you know,
Soviet archives or whatever. A riact part of the territory, including Western Ukraine,
was to be given to Russia. Thus Russia, which was then named
the us SR, regained this historical lands after the victory in the Great Patriotic
War as we call World War two, all those territories were ultimately enshrined as
belonging to Russia to the U S. So Pinsas as for Poland, it
received, apparently in compensation, the lands which had originally been German, the
eastern parts of Germany. These are now western lands of Poland. Of course,
Poland regained access to the Baltic Sea and Danzig, which was once again
given its Polish name. So this was how this situation developed. In nineteen
twenty two, when the U S s R was being established, Bolsheviks started
building the U S s R and established the Soviet Ukraine, which had never
existed before. Stalin insisted that those republics be included in the U S s
R as after autonomous entities. For some inexplicable reason, Lenin, the founder
of the Soviet state, insisted that they be entitled to withdraw from the USSR,
and again, for some unknown reasons, he transferred to that newly established
the Soviet Republic of Ukraine some of the lands together with people living there,
even though those lens had never been called Ukraine, and yet they were made
part of that Soviet Republic of Ukraine. Those lens included the Black Sea region,
which was received under Katharine of the group. Interesting too, it was
Christian Rakowsky that we've covered. Who I think he was the governor, uh
was it of Kiev or even maybe the president of the Ukraine. Le let
me see what the yes, so former chairman of the Council of the Public
People's Kammiszaars of the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic. And of course he was born
with a different name. Trying to see what his real name was. He
is the of course successor to Trotsky. So Christian Rokovsky was not actually born
in Christian Rokovsky. There's a different name. Original name was Krastio Gorgyev Stanchev.
And so people have speculated on what might have been his origins, his
belief system. In other words, he might have been raised with, you
know, Yiddish philosophy, so to speak. Anyway, Rakowsky is of course
the agent not only of Trotskyism but essentially the Rothschilds. And if you look
at the Rakovsky interrogation, which is relevant to what Putin's talking about right here,
it's sometimes called the Red Symphony, it actually makes this point. Rakovski
himself, apparently in the interrogation says that he was an agent of the Rothschild's.
Now I have a book, an ancient archive, non ancient but like
an actual archive book of Stalinists interrogations by the NKVD. I mean, obviously
it's not all of them, and there is an interrogation in there of Rokovsky.
It's not the same as the Red Symphony interrogation though, So that's so
we know that he was interrogated by Rakovsky. But what's called the Red Symphony.
Some have argued, well, this might be you know, disinformation or
whatever. I don't really see how it serves, and it doesn't really work
in Stalin's favor except that it justifies maybe getting rid of Rokovsky. But everything
the Rakowsky says really undermine all of Communism, Sovietism, socialism, et cetera.
So the motivations seem dubious if we want to ascribe that to stall And,
which had no historical connection with Ukraine whatsoever. Even if we go as
far back as sixteen fifty four when these lands returned to Russian Empire, that
territory was the size of three to four regions of modern Ukraine, with no
Black Sea region. That was completely out of the question. In sixteen fifty
four. Exactly. I'm just you obviously have encyclopedic knowledge of this region,
but why didn't you make this case for the first twenty two years as president
that Ukraine wasn't a real country. Ituk ituck fabous ukrain The Soviet Union was
given a great deal of territory that had never belonged to it, including the
Black Sea region. At some point when Russia received them as an outcome of
the Russo Turkish Wars, they were called New Russia or Novarasiya. But that
does not matter. What matters is that Lenin, the founder of the Soviet
state, established Ukraine that way. For decades, the Ukrainian Soviet Republic developed
as part of the U S s R. And for unknown reasons, again,
the Bolsheviks were engaged in Ukrainianization. It was not merely because the Soviet
leadership was composed. Well, those unknown reasons might be what we're talking about.
The Western geopolitical strategies understood peeling off of Ukraine from Russia and what that
would mean, the significance of it. That's why I continued to be a
strategy that even tiny mustache Man was for extent of those originating from Ukraine.
Rather was explained by the general policy of indigenization pursued by the Soviet Union.
Same things were done in other Soviet republics. This involved promoting national languages and
national cultures, which is not about in principle. That is how the Soviet
Ukraine was created. After the World War Two, Ukraine received, in addition
to the lands that had belonged to Poland before the war, part of the
lands that had previously belonged to Hungary and Romania. So Romania and Hungary had
some of their lands taken away and given to the Soviet Ukraine, and they
still remain part of Ukraine. So in this sense we have every reason to
affirm that Ukraine is an artificial state that was shaped at Stalin's will. Do
you believe Hungary has a right to take its land back from Ukraine and that
other nations have a right to go back to their sixteen fifty four bordersgism.
I'm not sure whether they should go back to the sixteen fifty four orders,
but given Stalin's time, so called Stalin's regime, which as many claim,
saw numerous violations of human rights and violations of the rights of other states victims.
One may say that they could claim back those lends of theirs, while
having no right to do that. It is at least understandable. Have you
told Victor Orban that he can have part of Ukraine? Never? I have
never told them, not a single time. We have not even had any
conversation on that. But I actually know for sure that Hungarians who live there
and wanted to get back to their historical land. Moreover, I would like
to share a very interesting story with you. I digress, it's a personal
one. Somewhere in the early eighties, I went on a road trip in
a car from then Leningrad across the Soviet Union through Kiev, who made a
stop in Kiev and then went to western Ukraine. I went to the town
of Bidagavoye, and all the names of towns and villages there were in Russian
and in the language I did not understand, in Hungarian, in Russian and
in Hungarian, not in Ukrainian. In Russian and in Hungarian. I was
driving through some kind of village and there were men sitting next to the houses,
and they were wearing black three piece suits and black cylinder hats. I
asked, are they some kind of entertainers. Is the men in black or
or is it the banksters? Right, it's like top hat wearing David Rockefeller,
And I'm joking. We got to some tips, not super chats.
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that out. Dave Goodminer five dollars, Thank you so much for that super
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that most of everything that goes up goes up across all the platforms. There's
a couple of unique things though to rock Finn, and a couple of unique
things to the website. So I still haven't moved into all the material over
to Rock Finn. Probably seventy percent of it has been moved, but there's
a lot of material. But let's see dan Z five dollars. Thank you
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your debate with Steffan Molinou, he turned about five different colors and was babbling
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I will have to say, though, that the debate with Stefan was definitely
a much better libertarian type of opponent than whoever the goober was. I was
talking to tonight, so I'd much rather talk to Steffan than that guy.
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this. It was still no. They were not entertain there's they're hungarians.
I said, what are they doing here? What do you mean? This
is their land, they live here. This was during the Soviet time in
the nineteen eighties. They preserved the Hungarian language, Hungarian names, and all
their national costumes. They are Hungarians and they feel themselves to be Hungarians.
And of course when now there is an infringement, well that is and there's
a lot of that though. I think many nations that are upset about Transylvania
as well, as you obviously know, but many nations feel frustrated by the
redrawn borders of the wars of the twentieth century and wars going back a thousand
years, the ones that you mentioned. But the fact is that you didn't
make this case in public until two years ago February. And in the case
that you made, which I read today, you explain at great length that
you felt a physical threat from the web. Well, he probably didn't make
that case because he probably wasn't planning to do these things at the time.
But I remember reading about this view in twenty fourteen. The first time I
encountered this perspective and this history was twenty fourteen. I didn't know a lot
of history about Ukraine in twenty fourteen, but the Maidan Ku kind of forced
me to look at this stuff and I learned it at that time. But
Russia wasn't at that time pushing that story because they were still I think a
defensive posture by a NATO expansion. And the first time that I heard of
the biolabs was Diliana Gattieva when she was interviewed on twenty first Century Wire prior
to her speaking at AV nine and talking about it. So Patrick was actually
breaking that like super early, and now I think somebody had even Diliana had
maybe even talked about it earlier than with Patrick. Right, she was at
ABY nine. By the way, I don't know if her lecture is still
up now. If you go watch her lecture from memory, she doesn't talk
about I think she does mention these labs everywhere, but she focuses on one
that the Pentagon was involved in in Cousak. Stant I don't remember where it's
not you, I don't remember where her her lab was. Anyway, she
she seems to have broken that and then it became more public and known at
the time of the special military operation you know, Ukraine War in NATO,
including potentially a nuclear threat and that's what got you to move. Is that
a fair characterization of what you said? Did you need yellow? I understand
that my long speech is probably fall outside of the genre of the interview.
That is why I asked you at the beginning, are we going to have
a serious talk or a show? You said, a serious talk. So
there with me. We're coming to the point where the Soviet Ukraine was established.
Then, in nineteen ninety one, the Soviet Union collapsed and everything that
Russia had generously bestowed on Ukraine was dragged away by the latter. I'm coming
to a very important point of today's agenda. Thank you. After all,
the collapse of the Soviet Union was effectively initiated by the Russian leadership. No,
I do not understand what the Russian leadership was guided at the time,
but I suspect there were several reasons to think everything would be fine. Peer
move to first. I think that then Russian leadership believed that the fundamentals of
the relationship between Russia and Ukraine were in fact a common language. More than
ninety percent of the population there spoke Russian. Family size. Every third person
there had some kind of family or friendship size. Common culture, common history,
finally, common faith, co existence with a single state for centuries,
and deeply interconnected economies. All of these were so fundamental. All these elements
together make our good relationships inevitable. American Ski, the second point is a
very important one. I want you, as an American citizen and your viewers
to hear about this as well. The former Russian leadership assumed that the Soviet
Union had ceased to exist and therefore there were no longer any ideological dividing lines.
Russia even agreed voluntarily and proactively to the collapse of the Soviet Union and
believed that this would be understood by the so called civilized West. Wow,
that's pretty wild. So I got curious and I had to look up a
V nine in the UK that I spoke at, and Uh, the police
guy talking about human trafficking is still there. Uh, this lecture is still
there. Ian Crane is still there. Patrick Henningson's talk about media is still
there. Benny Wills's talk is still there. My talk is still there somewhere
on here, but I don't come out. That's weird. So they bury
a lot of these. This is wild, But you'll notice Dilly Yanna her
talk is not on here either that or it's gone. Let's see if I
can pull it up. Aha. So notice it was hidden, so you
type in AVY nine and it doesn't pop up, and here it is.
Look at that. So she was talking about this before EVY nine too.
By the way, this is six years ago almost or getting get five and
a half. I guess, Liliana. The script all affair in UK leaves
a lot of unanswered questions. Teresa may Boris Johnson, et cetera. With
their story of this nova talk fake ass, stupid, fake spy story.
The US Army regularly creates and engages in biol warfare, et cetera. She
talks about Pentagon funding and then here you go, look at that cooperative biological
program located where former Soviet countries Georgia, Ukraine, Middle East. There you
go. So I was correct. I remember all this because I was there.
I heard all this. And look she's even got like the the locations.
So let me put this in the chat because this is buried. This
is crazy. So she was covering this way back then. Patrick was covering
it too. Here it is in the chat. You guys want to watch
her full talk from twenty eighteen talking about the information in the intel that you
hear now right, she was talking about it back then. So there you
go. There's that as an invitation for cooperation and associations. Yes, that
is what Russia was expecting, both from the United States and the so called
collective West as a whole. Need to get the mind. But there were
smart people, including in Germany Egon Barr, a major politician of the Social
Democratic Party, who insisted in his personal conversations with the Soviet leadership on the
brink of the collapse of the Soviet Union that a new security system should be
established in Europe. Help should be given to unify Germany, but a new
system should be also established to include the United States, Canada, Russia and
other Central European countries. But NATO needs not to expand, That's what he
said. If NATO expands, everything would be just the same as during the
Cold War, only closer to Russia's borders. That's all. He was a
wise old man, but no one listened to him. In fact, he
got angry ones if he said, you don't listen to me, I'm never
setting my foot in Moscow once again, meanion everything happened just as he had
said. Well, of course it did come true. And you've mentioned this
many times. I think it's a fair point. And many in America thought
that relations between Russia and the United States would be fine with the collapse of
the sovietnion in the end of the Core War. That the opposite happened.
But you've never explained why you think that happened, except to say that the
West fears a strong Russia, but we have a strong China. The West
does not seem very afraid of. What about Russia? Do you think convinced
policymakers they had to take it down. This is mentioned in quickly, by
the way, in the first two hundred pages, that the Anglo American establishment,
which just means the Western Atlanta's power structure, it's called that because it
predated existence of the Nation State of Israel. Every time I say that,
people spurg out and act like idiots and think that you don't even know about
Israel. Yeah, I'm very aware of Israel. I mean, we covered
the entire chapter in Quigley's book about the establishment of the Nation State of Israel
by the Anglo American Establishment, which ultimately Rothschild I've said this one hundred million
times and people still he doesn't even know what you So what he's talking about
here is the a lot of what we've been talking about. So I like
that we got to this point. I keep getting distracted by the Gold Renaissance
era stuff in the background. The blame the Kremlin bling is kind of entrancing.
Right, remember when Quentin Tarantino went to the Kremlin and even he was
kind of surprised by it. I imagine it's kind of like the Vatican.
Right when you go to the Vatican, it's like it's it's pretty moving the
first time you see it. Just from an artistic perspective when you walk in
there, I see there is afraid of strunk China more than it fear is
a strong Russia because Russia has one fifty million people in China. Oh,
I forgot, who was gonna talk about Chiana. The the West doesn't fear
China because it's a atheists set up created Western global estate. That's why they
don't fear China. China's just like a thing they roll out as a fear
when they need to fear it. I mean, theoretically, yes, China
could be a threat if the West literally didn't continue to support and aid it
at a higher level, and there was some sort of I mean, let's
put it this way, if the West collapsed, I mean, yeah,
that China would definitely take over. Maybe China and Russia would take over.
I mean, And that's geopolitics, because if I'm saying if the West collapses,
right, if that happens, it will be because the West collapse from
within. It's not KGB agents and Chinese people ultimately collapsing. The West is
because of all the degenerate elites in the West set up and aided all of
these other countries to eventually collapse at the West end takeover. Does that make
sense? So this is one point five billion population and its economy is growing
by leaps and bounds or five percent a year. It used to be even
more. But that's enough for China. As Bismark once put it, potential
are the most important. China's potential is enormous. Did Putin say it that
way or the translator that way? Like maybe Putin was war gaming. He
was like, we need to say this in the word that the Donald Trump
is Chiina chie. You gonna do a square with your lips. That's the
secret to Trump. Depression is a square. What do your lips? This
economy in the world today, in terms of purchasing power, parity and the
size of the economy, it has already overtaken the United States quite a long
time ago, and it is growing at a rapid clip. Let's not talk
about who is afraid of whom. Let's not reason in such terms, and
let's get into the fact that after nineteen ninety one, when Russia expected that
it would be welcomed into the broadly family of civilized nations, nothing like this
happened. The tricktest. I don't mean you personally when I say you,
of course, I'm talking about the United States. The promise was that NATO
would not expand eastward. But it happened five times. There were five waves
of expansion, which tolerated all that we were trying to persuade them. We
were saying, please, don't we are as bourgeois now as you are.
We are market economy and there's no communist party power. Let's negotiate Moreover.
I have also said this publicly before. There was a moment when thesal with
a certain rift started growing between us, Before that Yeltsin came to the United
States. Remember he spoke in Congress and said the good words God bless America.
Everything he said were signals let us in. Remember the developments in Yugoslavia
before the Yeltsin was lavished with praise. As soon as the developments in Yugoslavia
started, he raised his voice in support of Serbs, and we couldn't but
raise our voices for Serbs. Remember that Yeltsin was the CIA Western Harvard plant
that was there to help facilitate the transition from Sovietism to capitalist market economy,
which actually just meant that former KGB and international corporate banking elites would basically loot
Russia. So this is covered in Daniel Estlin's books Shadow Masters, It's covered
in Whitney Webb's Epstein book Part two. There's a whole section on this about
Larry Summers and the whole Harvard crewe and them looting Rash. She was even
investigating in the nineteen nineties and Congress I think Astalin mentions that. So remember
just remember that literal CIA puppet is what you're what you're looking at with with
Yeltin, and he's just there basically to facilitate the looting of the country.
That's it. In their defense, I understand that there were complex processes and
the way there, I do, but Russia could not help raising its voice
in support of Serbs because Serbs are also a special and close to US nation
with Orthodox culture and so on. It's a nation that has suffered so much
for generations. Well, regardless, what is important is that Yielsen expressed his
support. What did the United States do in violation of an international law and
the UN Charter? It started bombing Belgrade. It was the United States that
led the genie out of the bottle. Moreover, when Russia, who's that
charter and international Who? Dude, do you hear putin throwing in those secret
Christina Aguilera references. Dude, what was that all about? I'm a genie
in a bottle? Will genies and bottles all have become obsolete? Now everyone
invokes international law, But at that time they started saying that everything was outdated,
everything had to be changed. Indeed, some things need to be changed
as the balance of power has changed, It's true, but not in this
manner. Elsen was immediately dragged through the mud, accused of alcoholism, of
understanding nothing, of knowing nothing, he understood everything. I assure you well.
I became president in two thousand. I thought, Okay, the Yugoslavi
issue is over, but we should try to restore relations. Let's reopen the
door that Russia had tried to go through. And moreover, I said it
publicly. I can't reiterate at a meeting here in the Kremlin with the outgoing
President Bill Clinton right here in the next room, I said to him,
oh there you, oh there you. I'm so glad to be here in
the Kremlin. Now we got a couple more super chats. Jeremy Friedman,
since ten dollars, Thank you so much, Jeremy, appreciate that. Young
w Geezy sends another five dollars, says, get me at work, right,
you got me a work, singing the climate change, the climate change,
the climate change, fadista. Since five dollars, Thank you so much,
fadista. Catherine Rice, since five dollars, Thank you so much,
Catherine much appreciated, going all the way back to the bill they is for
the build all days. Do you think if Russia asked to join NATO,
do you think it would happen suddenly? He said, you know, it's
interesting. I think so. But in the evening when we met for dinner,
he said, you know, I've talked to my team. No,
No, it's not possible. Now you can ask him. I think he
will watch our interview. He'll confirm it. I wouldn't have said anything like
that if it hadn't happened. Okay, we're using this impossible Now would you
have join NATO? Look, I asked the question, is it possible or
not? And the answer I got was no. If I was insincere in
my desire to find out what the leadership position was. But if he had
said yes, would you have join NATO? If he had sug yes,
the process of reproachment would have commenced, and eventually it might have happened if
we had seen some sincere wish on the other side of our partners. But
it didn't happen. Oh, I forgot what I was saying about Quigley.
I've been yapping for a two hours, but idiot libertarian, so my mind
is kind of mush. Yeah. Quiggly says that the Anglo American establishment saw
that it would do anything and everything possible in the twentieth century to destroy its
two main rivals, Austro Hungarian Empire and the Russian Empire. So we know
that the motivations of not just the two World Wars, but the Cold War
as well, right, allah Quiggly had everything to do with exhausting, weakening,
destabilizing any power that quickly calls traditional, and by that he means powers
that structured themselves and their governments around authority. So the West supposedly is oh,
democrat, libertarian, LII fair, free market economics, all this stuff.
Supposedly that's what our philosophy is. So we reoriented all of our international
understanding of international law prior to the twentieth century around those kinds of free market
ideas and attitudes and common law and natural law and maritime law and all this
stuff. Supposedly that's the narrative at least. Right, but you had two
remaining trad or I forget what maybe authoritarian and that would be Russia and Austrongarian
Empire and the Axis powers. So the West had to make sure that for
its extension of power and soft power to go forward democratic capitalism. According to
Quigley, those two chief rivals would have to be gotten rid of at all
costs and in any ways via any means, so that the two World Wars
were the means not necessarily of immediately smashing these powers, but actually exhausting them.
And that was exactly the same strategy that Brazenski had for Russia in the
Soviet Afghanistan conflict. Get them bogged down in these wars and actually quickly says
that in multiple places in Tragy and Hope that the West just had this kind
of standard procedure of getting into these big, protracted, drawn out conflicts that
eventually wear down the people involved. Now, isn't that interesting that that's the
strategy of the you know, society, the elect royal society, elite CIA,
Western Eastern Coast elite in the twentieth century, that's their strategy for these
two world wars in the Cold War? And isn't that what we're doing now
our country endlessly in portray a conflicts. It's almost like maybe the strategy that
was used against the enemies of the West are now being used in the host
nation of America to bring it down. Oh no, means no, okay,
why do you think that is? Just to get to motive? I
know you're clearly bitter about it, I understand, But why do you think
the West rebuffed you? Then? Why the hostility? Why did the end
of the Cold War not fix the relationship? What motivates this from your point
of view? You said it was bitter about the answer. No, it's
not bitterness. It's just a statement of fact. We're not bright and groom
bitterness, resentment. It's not about those kinds of matters in such circumstances.
We just realized we weren't welcome there. That's all okay, fine, but
let's build relations in another manner. Let's walk for common ground elsewhere. Why
we receive such a negative response, You should ask your leaders. I can
only guess why to big a country with its own opinion and so on,
and the United States, I've seen how issues are being resolved in NATO.
I will give you another example now concerning Ukraine. The US leadership exerts pressure
and all NATO members obediently vote even if they do not like something. Now,
I'll tell you what happened in this regard with Ukraine in two thousand and
eight. Although it's being discussed, I'm not going to open a secret to
you say anything new. Nevertheless, after that we tried to build relations in
different ways, for example the events in the Middle East. In Iraq,
we were building relations with the United States in a very soft, prudent,
cautious manner. I repeatedly raised the issue that the United States should not support
separatism or terrorism in the North Caucasus, but they continue to do it anyway.
And political support, information support, financial support, even military support came
from the United States and its satellites for terrorist groups in the Caucasus. Yes,
this is covered in Mark Curtis's book Secret Affairs, where he talks about
the Coastovo Liberation Army and other of the Chechen radical Muslim groups received Western CIA
aid and funding. So not many people know that. But what Putin's talking
about is actually one in percent admitted by Royal Society researchers like Mark Curtis.
By the way, I once raised this issue with my colleague, also the
President of the UN United States. He says, it's impossible. So you
have proof. I said, yes, I was prepared for this conversation,
and I gave him that proof. He looked at it, and you know
what he said. I apologize, but that's what happened. I'll quote he
says, well, I'm going to kick their ass. We waited and waited
for some response. So again, remember Mark Curtis is a Royal society.
Reason, We're going to put you on something. We're talking about real quick.
I'm trying to get the full screen hold on. I'm going to put
you on something creep. We're talking about the highest levels of Western Royal society
level research. Chapter fourteen Intrigues in the Balkans. NATO uses Al Qaeda in
the Kla Kosovo Liberation Army completely a fake, made up thing, and that
whole chapter goes into that why are you reading them conspiracy books? This is
not a conspiracy book. This is that's just right. Somewhere in here lists
them as a Royal Society researcher. Yes, Muslim Brotherhood Jahmat al is Jamat
al Islam, the Rule Islam. These are these cut out groups that they
use. Britain has, however, worked in covert operations going back to Muslim
Brotherhood right to lawrence with a variety of jihad groups sometimes link to the movements
just mentioned. These groups have promoted the most reactionary of religious and political agendas
and routinely committed atrocities agains civilians. Collusions of this type began in Afghanistan the
nineteen eighties when Britain, along with the US and Saudi and Arabia and Pakistani
support covert aid of the resistance to defeat the Soviet occupation of the country.
Military, financial, diplomatic backing was given to radical Islamic forces, and then
he goes on to say after Zujhad in Afghanistan, Britain went on to have
privy dealings of one kind or another with militant groups and other places such as
Pakistan's Harkout on Sar, the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group, and the Kosovo Liberation
Army which had strong links to al Qaeda from Ben Lawden's Al Qaeda. So
there you go. That's Mark Curtis the opening pages. I was looking with
the place for callsing me royal society research because I remember when I first read
that. By the way, this is a this is an over four hundred
plays page plus book. I read this book in twenty ten, so I
learned I learned all of this inner deep stuff fourteen years ago. So hopefully
you realize that you're getting, like you know, high level solid material here.
This is not. This is not temple hack conspiracy stuff. This is
like real intelligence analysis level geopolitical information. There was no reply. I said,
to death as B director, right to the CIA, what is the
result of the conversation with President? He wrote, once twice and then we
got a reply. We have the answer in the archive. The CIA replied,
we have been working with the opposition in Russia. We believe that this
is the right thing to do, and we will keep on doing it.
Just ridiculous. Well, okay, we realized that it was out of the
question. Force is in opposition to you. So you're saying the CIA is
trying to overthrow your government emails if you do. Of course they meant in
that particular case. Yeah, there we go. Let me hear that again.
I said, yes, I was prepared for this conversation, and I
gave him that proof. He looked at it, and you know what he
said. I apologize, but that's what happened. I'll quote he says,
well, I'm gonna kick their ass. We waited and waited for some response.
There was no reply. I said, to death, as a B
director, right to the CIA, what is the result of the conversation with
President? He wrote, once twice, and then we got a reply.
We have the answer in the archive. The CIA replied, do you guys
remember that Robert Bear article about Dice cutting up and destroying e looting the Balkans.
That's an important essay that admits, but you can't find anymore. Let's
see if they've scrubbed that. So you got CIA Robert Bear admitting the very
thing Putin's talking right, Let's see if we can find that. It's probably
still at Global Research. I bet it's still there. Aha, look at
that. Amazingly it still comes up. Former CIA agent Robert Barr. They
gave us millions of dollars to split up. In this case, he's talking
about Yugoslavia. Bear claims that he and his colleagues received millions of dollars to
influence politicians split up from Yugoslavi. We bribe the party's politicians, encouraging hatred
amongst nations. What's that? Encouraging hatred among the nations? Interesting sounds like
strategy of tension. Let me put this in the chat for you guys.
There we go. I have been working with the opposition in Russia. We
believe that this is the right thing to do, and we will keep on
doing it just for Yeah, I mean, it wasn't this kind of obvious
too throughout the last fifteen twenty years. That's when I kind of started watching
this stuff. And I remember remember Michael McFowl. He was always over there
using Pussy Riot to agitate. Obviously that's CIA stuff. Like if you can't
figure that out, I mean, come on, dude, that's like that's
like one oh one level stuff here. Remember this, do you guys remember
this? He was what CIA front ambassador to Russia and then he was pushing
that horrible band, Pussy Riot, which goes into churches and takes their top
off. And then when you talk about this as a form of soft power,
which obviously it is, the Western media, thanks everybody in the America
is so stupid that they can say Putin's delusional. He thinks that the State
Department pushes feminism and Pussy Riot. Uh yeah, duh, Yeah, I'm
not dumb, so I know that I know it's true. And this is
why you get this garbage from Vice, right, like this kind of stuff.
Pussy Riot members sue the Russian government because they want to be able to
go into Orthodox divine liturgies and rip their breasts, that rip their braws off
as an expression of freedom. Remember and remember when they had a cut off
head. They had Kirol's head, Putin's head and Trump's head. Remember this,
I used it. I used it as a thumbnail one of my articles
like ten years ago, when I about feminism. Let's see head of Kirol.
It was so stupid too. It was like now I can't now it
doesn't come up. But yes, I mean, for those that don't know,
Pussy Riot is another example of CIA soft power with this idiotic feminist punk
band. I mean, it's just completely stupid, mindless idiocy, but this
is what works, and so this is what they do. She's got an
inverted cross on her head, they're wearing bondage gear. I mean, this
is just this think of the idiot libertarian guy tonight. I don't give a
shit about degenerously. Yeah, because it's a form of soft power, and
you're not even smart enough to realize that. Here. Look here they are
in church engaging in blasphemous agit prop. So this is what the West promotes.
Are here. So they do this stuff to agitate and then if Russia
acts to respond, they cry out as you persecute them. Well, okay,
we realized that it was out of the question. Force is in opposition
to you. So you're saying, the CIA is trying to overthrow your government
emails if you do. Of course, they meant in that particular case,
the separatists, the terrorists who fought with us in the Caucasus. That's who
they call the opposition. This is the second point. The third moment is
a very important one, is the moment when the US missile defense system was
created the beginning, and we persuaded for a long time not to do it
in the United States. Moreover, after it was invited by Bush Junior's father,
Bush Senior, to visit his place on the Ocean, I had a
very serious conversation with President Bush and his team. I proposed that the United
States, Russia, and Europe jointly create a missile defense system that we believe,
if created unilaterally, threatens our security. Despite the fact that the United
States officially said that it was being created against missile threats from Iran that was
the justification for the deployment of the missile defense system. I suggested working together
Russia, the United States, and Europe. They said it was very interesting.
They asked me, are you serious? I said, absolutely, Ask
what year was this? I don't remember. I hope you understand too that.
I mean, it's not just the idiocy and the you know, low
tier degeneracy of pussy right, Pussy Riot represents radical Western feminism. And that's
why they're pushed in Russia is because it's not just so that they can claim
that they're persecuted by Putin. It's to push all of the degeneracy that is
now taking over the West, the very stuff that our libertarian friend tonight said
doesn't exist. There's no other thing as that. By the way, software
also played heavily into the Olympics. Remember all that the Sochi drama, the
Olympics, and oh that was going to be in Russia and the Putin failed
and they're too poor in Russia to have all this silly stuff they were putting
out. Remember that that's all part of this sy ops and soft power.
Where is I guarantee See Global Research probably has a good article on Pussy Riot.
They protested socio Olympics. This stuff they protest just so obviously engineered in
Vegas. So it's it's I mean, cannot people not see that this stuff
is I guess not find out on the internet. When I was in the
USA at the invitation of a Bush senior, it is even easier to learn
from someone I'm going to tell you about. I was still it was very
interesting. I said, just imagine, if we could tackle such a global
strategic security challenge together, the world will change. Will probably have disputes,
probably economic and even political ones, but we could drastically change the situation in
the world. Yeah, thank you, DC, exactly. You know,
we've done a lot of talks and lectures on color revolutions and that strategy for
ten years. I mean I learned about color revolutions maybe more than ten years
ago, and we've talked about it, going back to I mean boiler Room,
we talked about color revolutions some of the first interviews I did on twenty
first interview Whire back in twenty fourteen, I talked about color revolutions. You
know, that's that's a big part of flam Ingdall's High Level Analysis books,
which everybody should read. That's a great starting point for this kind of material.
You know, I read all that stuff ten fifteen years ago, so
from my mindset. Yeah, it's like, obviously, you know, pussy
right is a state department, CIA, soft power, agit prop, color
revolution, a bunch of degenerasy nonsense. But you know again, I mean,
this is like, how many people in the West know this? Two
percent? Still, it's crazy, Yes, and asks, are you serious?
I said, of course, we need to think about at it.
I'm so, I said, go ahead please. Then Secretary of Defense Gates,
former director of c i A, and Secretary of State Rice came in
here in this cabinet, right here, at this stable. They sat on
this table me, the foreign minister, the Russian defense minister on that side.
They said to me, yes, we have thought about it. We
agree, I said, thank god, great, but with some exceptions.
So twice you've described US presidents making decisions and then being undercut by their agency
heads. So it sounds like you're describing a system that's not run by the
people who are elected in your telling. That's right, that's right. Yeah,
it's it's really important to have a lot of this stuff archives printed out
if you can. I mean, because a lot of this stuff, I
mean, one day Global Research won't be there anymore. Right. Amnesty International
is US State Department propagan Amnesty run by US State Department represents funded by convicted
financial criminals, threatening human rights and who's their frontispiece, Pussy Riot, Free
Pussy Riot. This was a big operation and propaganda push back. When was
this? This was back in twenty twelve, So shout out to Tony Cardalucci,
who of course had many many articles put up on info Wars over the
years. This going, this is twelve years ago, and they were at
that time pushing the State Department's goal of undermining Russian government via its troop of
US funded opposition activists, including Pussy Riot. And it goes on to talk
about yeah, by the way, yeah shocker right, like Amnesty International,
these are intelligence fronts. Who does know this? USA? Right? Come
on, we got to wise up, boys and girls. And let's say
there was another article by Global Research Pussy Right con game the controversy behind the
punk rock group Pussy Riot and the issue of freedom of expression and Russia race
concerns for activists. Isn't this interesting because if you notice Pussy Riot and what
it represents and what it's pushing is exactly exactly identical to Alexander Colintie and what
she pushed in the Bolshreek Revolution in even mainline documentaries. We covered sex in
the USSR. The documentary and within the it's a normy documentary and it tells
you everything that conspiracy have said here it is right here. This is a
normy mainline BBC documentary. And what's great about it is that when they go
into Alexander Colintai and all of her degeneracy, they actually say, well,
it's all of her feminism and free love is great. It was the men
that ruined her movement, the patriarch. I'm not joking. The soy men
that made this documentary literally say that the patriarchy messed up her women's empowerment.
Free love, polycule, lifestyle, literal. She was a literal polycule liver
right lover, liver lover or liver so bullshriek Revolution, cultural revolution, color
revolution pushed via this soft power and agile prop garbage is identical to what was
pushed by the Bolsheviks and twenty or She'd Me in nineteen seventeen and afterwards.
In nineteen eighteen, after Dibenka was taken prisoner by the Germans, she forced
Lenin to exchange him for captive German generals. She would proudly announce the meetings
that Debenko was her lover and that they didn't need to be married in order
to love one another. And she actually got played. She thought she was
going to push total free, open love and almost destroyed Russian society. Back
at the time, he had a whole generation raised by single moms, and
that ended up being criminals. That was all by design. It was the
Bolshevik plan, and it was so bad that Stalin had to step up and
curb the degenerous. This is why the Soviet Party enacted anti orgy gay crazy
stuff laws. Right, So the party line became, you can't be this
super degenerate because it just destroys the entire society. Well, guess what when
pushy riot is pushed in Russia and trans skittles cut your pp off is pushed
in Russia, that's toxic cultural psychological warfare. Duh. And they just told
us to get lost. I'm not going to tell you the details because I
think it's incorrect. After all, it was confidential conversation. But our proposal
was declined. That's a fact. It was right then when I said,
look, but then we will be forced to take countermeasures. We will create
such strike systems that will certainly overcome missile defense systems. The answer was,
we're not doing this against you, and you do what you want, assuming
that it is not against us, not against the United States. I said,
okay, very well, that's the way it went. And we created
hypersonic systems with intercontinental range, and we continue to develop them. We are
now of everyone, the United States and the other countries in terms of the
development of hypersonic strike systems, and we are improving them every day. But
it wasn't us. We proposed to go the other way, and we were
pushed back. Now about NATO's expansion to the east. Well, we were
promised, no NATO to the east, not an inch to the east,
as we were told. And then what they said, well, it's not
enshrined on paper, so we'll expand. So there were five waves of expansion,
the Baltic States, the whole of Eastern Europe and so on. And
now I come to the main thing. They have come to the Ukraine.
Ultimately, in two thousand and eight, at the summit in Bucharest, they
declared that the doors for Ukraine and Georgia to join NATO. Were open now
about how decisions are made there. Germany, France seem to be against it,
as well as some other European countries. But then, as it turned
out later President Bush and he's such a tough guy, a tough politician.
As I was told later, he exerted pressure on us and we had to
agree. It's ridiculous. It's like kindergarten. Where are the guarantees? What
kindergarten is this? What kind of people are these? Who are they?
Thank you to Kyle Mirraball for that five dollars super chat. Appreciate that much.
Much love to you, Kyle. Now, remember, guys, if
you want to, you can also support the stream here on Rockmen as well
by leaving a tip or a comment. If you put your tip with a
comment, I'll read your comment on air. They were pressed, they agreed,
and they say Ukraine won't be in the NATO. You know, I
say, I don't know. I know you agreed in two thousand and eight.
Why won't you agree in the future, Well, they pressed us.
Then I say, why won't they press you tomorrow and you'll agree again?
Well, it's nonsensical. Who's there to talk to? I just don't understand.
We're ready to talk, but with whom where are the guarantees? None?
So they started to develop the territory of Ukraine. Whatever is there.
I have told you the background, how this territory developed, what kind of
relations they were with Russia. Every second or third person there has always had
some ties with Russia. And during the elections in already independent sovereign Ukraine,
which gained its independence as a result of the declaration of independence. And by
the way, it says that Ukraine is a neutral state, and in two
thousand and eight suddenly the doors or gates to NATO were open to it.
Oh, come on, this is not how we agreed. Now, all
the presidents that have come to power in Ukraine, they relied on electorate with
the good attitude to Russia in one way or the other. This is the
southeast of Ukraine. This is a large number of people, and it was
very difficult to persuade this electorate which had a positive attitude towards Russia. Victori
Yanukovich came to power, and how the first time he won up the president
Kuchma. They organized the third round, which is not provided for in the
Constitution of Ukraine. This to now, this is going back to when they
were really pushing the Orange Revolution, and this was all the Soros money.
So you have to keep in mind too that this gets really complicated from a
powerplay perspective because in the nineteen eighties, and I think it was or excuse
me, early nineties, when they really the model of color revolution is eighties
Gene Sharp, but the implementation of this in Ukraine is nineties Orange Revolution with
that princess, you know, Princess Leah Chick with the bun weird bun hair.
But that is the period when already Soros was putting money into Orange Revolution,
and that was CIA. So you got to understand that Soros's stuff was
operating as a CIA operation because in the nineteen eighties what happened with former CIA
operations now transitioned over into cut out think tank white paper INNGO, things like
the Soros Foundation, right so, Open Society Institute, National downlod for Democracy.
They began to do the things that previously in the Cold War the CIA
did, and they found this to be a much more useful cutout with these
fake you know, humanitarian organizations as just CIA fronts. That's how it works,
So yeah, thank you. Timoshenko is Princess leahchik So this is the
period before her. If I recall, just imagine someone in the United States
wouldn't like the outcome in twenty fourteen before that, No, this was before
that. After President Kuchma Victorian Ukovic won the elections. However, his opponents
did not recognize that victory. The US supported the opposition, and the third
round was scheduled. What is this? This is a cup the US.
So maybe I'm wrong. So Yanikovich, excuse me, he's right prior to
the coup, right, twenty this is twenty ten, and then he's the
president during the que the coup. Excuse me? So, uh, Timoshinko
is prior to that, I should say, and the winner of the third
round came to power. Imagine if in the US something was not to someone's
liking and the third round of election, which the US Constitution does not provide
for, was organized. Nonetheless, it was done in Ukraine. See,
I mean, like people in America, they don't know who the vice president
is. Remember this when they were asking people who and who the vice I
mean, so like I mean, I I got Princess Lea and Yanikovich backwards.
Right. So even I forget this stuff at times because I literally haven't
thought about Victor Yani Yani Yannik Kobich in probably five or six years, even
though yeah, that's he was the president when my don Ku thing kicked off.
So so what the reason that's relevant is that typically what happens with these
presidents is that in these other countries is that you have Western intelligence and people
trying to put their men in, right, so you have a person who
might be more inclined to side with Russia. Then they get targeted by the
CIA and there's a coup, right, and then you get the puppet put
in. Who's the CIA puppet? Right, So that's kind of what happens
in these these types of countries, Soviet satellite countries, Ukraine, et cetera.
Viktor Yushchenko, who was considered the pro Western politician, came to power.
Fine, we have built relations, that's what he means by pro Western.
He came to Moscow with visits, We visited Kiya, I visited Sue,
We met in an informal setting. If he's pro Western, so bee
it. It's fine. Let people do their job. The situation should have
developed inside independent Ukraine itself. As a result of Kuchma's leadership, things got
worse and Victorian Ukovich came to power. After all, maybe he wasn't the
best president and politician. I don't know. I don't want to give assessments.
However, the issue of the association with the EU came up. We
have always been leaning to this suit yourself, but when we read through the
threaty of association, it turned out to be a problem for us since we
had the free trade zone and open customs borders with Ukraine, which under this
association had to open its borders for Europe, which could have led to flooding
over our market. We said, no, this is not going to work.
We shall close our borders with Ukraine, then the customs borders that is
Yanukovich started to calculate how much Ukraine was going to gain, how much to
lose, and said to his European partners, I need more sign the thing.
Before signing the moment, he said that the opposition begans to take destructive
steps which were supported by the West. It all came down to Maidan and
a coup in Ukraine. So he did more trade with Russia than with the
Ukraine did. Of course, it's not even the matter of trade volume,
although for the most part it is. It is the matter of cooperation size,
which the entire Ukrainian economy was based on. The cooperation size between the
enterprises were very close since the times of the Soviet Union. One enterprise there
used to produce components to be assembled both in Russia and Ukraine, and vice
versa. They used to be very close ties. A coup the town was
committed. Although I shall not delve into details now, as I find doing
it inappropriate. The U S toldest calm, yourn akovag down, and we
will come. The opposition led the situation unfold in the scenario of a political
settlement, we said, all right, agreed, let's do it this way,
as the Americans requested. Yankovic did use neither the armed forces nor the
police. Yet the armed opposition committed a coup in Kiev. What is that
supposed to mean? Who do you think you are? I wanted to ask,
then us leadership with the backing of whom, with the backing of c
I A, of course, the organization you wanted to join back in the
day, understand exactly. Wow, that's interesting. This is anes and now
it's getting interesting to Obviously, Tucker knew that it would be with the back
end of the CIA. That's how the coup in the Ukraine happened, of
course, And this is everybody knows this, hopefully who has an i Q
above room temperature. Interesting that talk then presses that to get that out of
Putin to say that, well, of course the CA is who organized the
coup, and then Putin returns with a kind of a sick burn in return,
Yes, I remember that you also wanted to be in the CIA when
you were younger, which Tucker's I mean, it's not like a secret.
I mean, Tucker's talked about that publicly in the past. But it's just
interesting that Putin then kind of use that jab or touchet moment. I guess
you could say in the midst of this discussion. I don't think they're actually
heated. I think this is just an intelligent person's, you know, tip
for tat type type of conversation. We should thank god they've going to let
you in, although it is a serious organization. Uh yeah, that was
actually also a pretty u chad edgy comment there. We should be glad the
CIA didn't let you. That's almost a nag. It's like Putin was aging
Tucker. That was kind of funny. I mean, I think nowadays Tucker
doesn't care about whether he was going to be in the CIA, because probably
everybody at some point thought, oh, yeah, I want to be like
James Bond and Jack Ryan or whatever, and then you realize, oh no,
there's a bunch of like Jeffrey Epstein creeps here. I don't I don't
want to be involved in that. That's that's not cool. So that was
kind of a funny job from Putin. There was like a Chad nag from
Putin there. I understand my former vis a V in the sense that I
served in the first Nain Directorate. So Union's intelligence service they have always been
our opponents. A job is a job. Technically, they did everything right.
They achieved their goal of changing the government. However, from political standpoint,
it was a colossal mistake. Surely it was political leadership's miscalculation. They
should have seen what it would evolve into. So in two thousand and eight
the doors of NATO were opened for Ukraine. In twenty fourteen there was a
coup. They started persecuting those who did not accept the coup, and it
was indeed the coup. They created a threat to Crimea which we had to
take under our protection. They launched the war in Donbas in twenty fourteen with
the use of aircraft and artillery against civilians. This is when it all started.
There's a video of aircraft attacking Donuts from above. They launched a large
scale military operation, then another one when they failed, they started to prepare
the next door. All this against the background of military development of this territory
and opening of NATO's doors. How could we not express concern over what was
happening from our side? This would have been a helpable negligence, That's what
it would have been. Yeah, and this is important because this rebuts the
classic Western take that you know, Russia is the aggressor in all these moves.
No, NATO is the aggressor, which is again against what NATO was
supposed to be a defensive operation and became offensive, violating its original idea,
charter or whatever. So now it's this sort of and it's not just militarily,
it's also again toxic culture. I'm sure he's gonna mention toxic culture eventually
as well. Because he's just giving the history of how this kicked off in
the Ukraine in twenty fourteen. But this is a great point because it's making
the point that Russia is not the aggressor, which is what Western media universally
says. It's just that the US political leadership pushed us to the line we
could not cross because doing so could have ruined the Russia's Besides, we could
not leave our brothers in faith, in fact, a part of Russian people
in the face of this war machine. What was the so but that was
eight years before the current conflict started. So what was the trigger for you?
What was the moment where you decided you had to do this? Is
Naichan. Initially it was the coup in Ukraine that provoked the conflict. By
the way, back then, the representatives of three European countries Germany, Poland
and France run but they were the guaranteurs of the signed agreement between the government
of Yanukovich and the opposition. They signed it as guaranteurs despite that the opposition
committed a coup, and all these countries pretended that they didn't remember that they
were guaranteurs of the peaceful settlement. They just threw it in the stow right
away, and nobody recalls that. I don't know if the US know anything
about the agreement between the opposition and the authorities and its three guaranteurs, who,
instead of bringing this whole situation back in the political field, supported the
coup although it was meaningless, believe me, because President Yanukovich agreed to all
conditions. He was ready to hold an early election which he had no chance
of winning. Frankly speaking, everyone knew that then the coup. Why the
victims, Why threatening crimea while launching an operation in Dunbas. This I do
not understand. That is exactly what the miscalculation is. CIA did its job
to complete the coup, I think one of the Deputy Secretaries of States said
that it cost a large sum of money, almost five billion, But the
political mistake was colossal. Why would they have to do that? All this
could have been done legally. This is a blast from the past. This
is man, It's is just flooding my mind with you know, twenty fourteen,
twenty fifteen, twenty sixteen, all of those episodes of twenty first century
Wire, Sunday Wire, all those episodes of Boiler Room, all those Tim
Kelly podcasts where I went into hours and hours of color revolution history. I
mean, it's all just kind of flooding back into my mind as we get
this basically history lecture. And I hope everybody in the audience appreciates this because
it jives very well with what we've covered in Sutton, in Brazinski, Quigly,
you know, all of these great geopolitical texts that we've been covering that
this is definitely and a monumental epical inner you for for media purposes here to
kind of back up a lot of what we've talked about here. Why is
this Jackson Hinkle dude on Elijah Schaeffer's stream. That's just I mean, this
guy, that guy is such a obvious, like phony dude talking about Jackson
Hinkel. That's like, that's so ridiculous. But I'm not dissing Elijah Shaeffer.
We had a great conversation when he had me on his podcast, uh
whenever that was. But I just I don't, really, I can't fathom
why everybody promotes and thinks that this Hinkle dude is legit and solid when he's
like constantly pushing communism it's just so obviously ridiculous, Like, for how long
was he saying, Oh, I'm Orthodox and I push materialism because materialism and
communism are compatible with Orthodox Christianity. And then I think Fuentes asked him or
somebody asked him. No, it was Conrad asked him from world to news,
Now, what orthodox people have you talk to? And he says,
I've talked to all the elders, all the hush yeah, right, sure,
out victims, without military action, without losing CRIMEA. We would have
never considered to even lift a finger if it hadn't been for the bloody developments
on my dad. Because we agreed with the fact that after the collapse of
the Soviet Union, our borders should be along the borders of former Union's republics.
We agreed to that, but we never agreed to NATO's expansion. And
moreover, we never agreed that Ukraine would be in NATO bus and we did
not agree to NATO basis there without any discussion with us. For decades,
we kept asking, don't do this, don't do that, And what triggered
the latest demands. Firstly, the current Ukrainian leadership declared that it would not
implement Themvinsk Agreements, which had been signed, as you know, after the
events of twenty fourteen in Minsk where the plan of peaceful settlement in Donbas was
set forth. But no, the current Ukrainian leadership, foreign minister, all
other officials and then president himself said that they don't like anything about the Mensk
Agreements. In other words, they were not going to implement it. A
year or a year and a half ago, former leaders of Germany and France
said openly to the whole world that they indeed signed the Mensk Agreements, but
they never intended to implement them. They simply led us by the nose.
Was there anyone free to talk to? Did you call a US president's secretary
of State and say, if you keep militarizing Ukraine with NATO forces, this
is going to get This is going to be a We're going to act.
We talked about this all the time. We addressed the United States and European
countries' leadership to stop these developments immediately, to implement the Minsk Agreements. Frankly
speaking, I didn't know how we were going to do this, but I
was ready to implement them. These agreements were complicated for Ukraine. They included
lots of elements of those don Bas territories independence. That's true. However,
I was absolutely confident, and I'm saying this to you now. I honestly
believed that if we managed to convince the residents of Dunbas, and we had
to work hard to convince them to return to the Ukrainian statehood, then gradually
the ones would start to heal. When this part of territory reintegrated itself into
common social environment, when the pensions and social benefits were paid again, all
the pieces would gradually fall into place. C nobody wanted that. Everybody wanted
to resolve the issue by military force only, but we could not let that
happen, and the situation got to the point when the Ukrainian side announced no,
we will not do anything. They also started preparing for military action.
It was they who started the war in twenty fourteen. Our goal is to
stop this war, and we did not start this war in twenty twenty two.
This is an attempt to stop it. Do you think you've stopped it
now? I mean, if you achieved your aims. No, we haven't
achieved our aims yet, because one of them is the Nazification. This means
the prohibition of all kinds of neo Nazi movements. This is one of the
problems that we discussed during the negociation process which ended in is You guys,
remember we went way deep into this in all of my recent Gladio talks because
we had to get into the Paul Williams book on Operation Gladio and the ties
to the Vatican Bank, the Knights, templar Cia, you know Western tradcat
goons in the seventies and eighties, William Casey and people in the Reagan administration,
the Bush Cia era right trying to trying to ensure that in case Russia
the Soviets invade Europe, there would be all these stay behind units and the
stay behind units because this is oftentimes people recruited out of fascist lodges, Neo
fascist lodges, yes, that existed, P two lodge, this kind of
stuff. According to Williams, it was really a Kissinger that was kind of
the point man running basically all of Gladio throughout Europe. I'm excuse, excuse
me, well throughout Europe, also particularly throughout Italy via his control through Leccio
Gelli. But this a lot of this is also backed up in Daniel Gancer's
PhD thesis NATO Secret Armies, which we've talked about. So anyway, all
of what you're hearing is stuff that you've heard me lecture on incessantly for years,
and people in the West were just so propagandized that we don't even know
basic history. And so you know, it's not being a rusiphile or worshiping
Rush or Putin or something like that to point out that what he's talking about
is the same stuff that you know, I come across in all these books.
You know, years ago we interviewed the authors of Golden Fitzgerald's classic geopolitical
texts Afghanistan Untold Story. We've lectured through. This is like ten years ago
I lectured through Dreyfus's Devil's Game, which is about the West using radicals the
same pattern. Then a radicalized