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down there in Mexico they got double
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jam, pump it. Oh,
what's up. We haven't been on a

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the full pootin interview with commentary via
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the you know, this is like
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Taki's mag and other outlets, and
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normy line like repeating like mainstream NBC
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Oh yeah, did you get that
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Who sold Duke Pools a good one? Dude who wrote, who writes

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your Beast your jokes daily Beast.
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copying and pasting from the reddit for
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it wasn't an official formal debate,
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was great until I talked about the
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to criticize Saint Riiy Bezmanov and how
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which he does, and all that's
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for whatever reason that triggered guy,
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just wouldn't like the other libertarian I
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just sat there and said, I
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yeah, good job. That's not
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guy actually thought that when I said
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he literally thought I meant he can't
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responded, I'm a libertarian. I
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again are dealing with, like,
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that is? T Dump level.
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don't know what fallacies are, but
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pills. I don't even sell dick
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not even a dick pill. Well, you work for joke pills. And

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he's like you, you look like
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wash your hair. Good joke,
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write that one for you? I
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shower and wash your hair. It's
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like a like a cat mom in
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joke. But but regardless, anyway, Yeah, totally arbitrary. Everything to

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get to the Tucker discussion, focus
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be. They're not fighting, all
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February six, the physical threat,
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well in terms of prominent people who
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got shocked us. Yeah. I
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complete idiots and have no study of
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comes out of the actions of Vladimir
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do with you know, a thousand
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what was going on in Russia.
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who, according to recent studies,
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but it was actually suppressed in the
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about the speech, but you could
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like alternative media websites. Right.
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precisely because ninety nine percent of people
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history of Ukraine is that the nationalism
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Cia geopolitical strategy. I mean,
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and that's why step On Bandhara,
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the neo Nazi contingent is still present
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muted, Okay, yeah, excuse
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miss anything other than what I was
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hear it now. In eight hundred
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who was actually playing the role of
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had died by that time, came
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very significant date in the history of
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This was the baptism of Russia when
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interview with the President of Russia,
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guys didn't miss anything. It was
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me saying that it was because he
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background. That was it. So
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to collect multi oput device. So
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back to where we were, and
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the founding of Russia as we know
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son, because Rurik had died by
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alst the two brothers who apparently had
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Russia began to develop with two centers
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that like modern language. Yeah,
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Rurik was very based with his squad
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history of Russia was nine hundred eighty
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when Prince Vladimir, the great grandson
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or Eastern christian From this time,
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the centralized Russian state began to take
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after he passed away, and of
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us because we are Orthodox, not
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the prince who had passed away to
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different lines. All this led to
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a single state. There was nothing
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then in Europe still, but the
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the empire created earlier baking is Han
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Kiev by the way, and some
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Horde, but they managed to preserve
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another magnet, the center that was
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Duchy of Lithuania. It was even
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of Lithuania and the Kingdom of Poland. A few years later another union was

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signed, but this time already in
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priests became subordinate to the pope.
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Lithuanian State unids, that's Uniates.
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lived on the fringe, they were
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that the person was living on the
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ethnic group. So the Poles were
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this part of the Russian lands and
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why there's that long term between Poles
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part of the Cold War because of
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nobility, and that played many people, you know, pretty clearly think a

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big role in his enmity towards Russia
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of this is, you know,
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where this goes, not to say
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that this part of the Russian Lens
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wrote letters to Warsaw demanding that their
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including to Kiev A big pardon,
can you tell us what period I'm

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losing track of where in history we
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was in the thirteenth century, and
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Tucker able to know this? This
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the new interview? I thought I
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Tucker's feet. I thought this was
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Says February eighth, twenty twenty four. So is that Doe trolling me?

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Yeah, this is the new interview? What are you talking about? Old

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interview? Cryptid refers to yeah,
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It's got to be. But uh
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Oliver Stone went and interviewed Putin and
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that at the time. Also,
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I forgot where I was at.
Now you just distracted me from everything.

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there was another show where people were
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a small version of this, like
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it over his shoulder whatever. But
Tucker's probably got a very small something in

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his ear. I don't think he
speaks Russian, but maybe he doesn't.

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I just don't know. And give
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And then sixteen fifty four, even
a bit earlier. Yes, I

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asked. I asked Scooter about the
red string, because everybody brings this thing

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up, and Scooter said, no, it's just that he puts things around

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his risks sometimes to remember stuff.
So no, he's not wearing a Kabala

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bracelet. The people who were in
control of the authority over that part of

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the Russian Lands Trust Warsaw, I
repeat, demanding that they send them to

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rulers of Russian origin and Orthodox faith. When Warsaw did not answer them and

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in fact rejected their demands, they'd
turned some Moscow so that Moscow took them

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away. This is a pretty bold, like big scale, dire style reply

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to a question like Tucker asked him
a question about what's going on in the

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Ukraine. Why is it happening?
And putin literally jumps back like fifteen hundred

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years to the entire history of Russia
because you have to understand all of that

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to get to the Ukraine. That's
pretty chad move. I like that.

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Yeah, when you so that you
don't think that I'm inventing things, I'll

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give you these documents. Well,
it doesn't sound like you're inventing, and

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I'm not sure why it's relevant to
what happens, but still, these are

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documents from the archives, copies.
Here's the letters from bog This is like

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Alex Jones level, right, folks. I've got the documents here, confirmed

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proof of Russia's history, folks.
Unbelievable the amount of documents from slav the

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wise right. Then you literally brought
out a box of the documents like who

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must be an Alex Jones fan.
This sparked the Russian Lands that is now

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called Ukraine. He wrote to Warsaw
demanding that their rights be upheld, and

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after being refused, he began to
write letters to Moscow asking to take them

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under the strong hand of the Moscow
Tsar. There are copies of these documents.

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I will leave them for your good
memory. There is a translation into

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Russian. You can translate it into
English. Later, Russia would not agree

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to admit them straight away, assuming
that the war with Poland would start.

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Nevertheless, in sixteen fifty four,
the u Pon Russian Assembly of top clergy

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and landowners headed by the Tsar,
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of the old Russian state, decided
to include a part of the old Russian

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Lands into Moscow Kingdom. As expected, the war with Poland began. It

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lasted thirteen years, and then in
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and thirty two years later I think
a peace treaty with Poland, which they

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called Eternal Peace, was signed,
and these lands the whole left bank of

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Knieper, including Kiev, went to
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remained in Poland under the rule of
Katherina the Great. Russia reclaimed all of

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its historical lands. YO, would
have been really funny if if Tucker had

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opened up those documents that he handed
them and it said all work and no

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flame makes Jack a dol like it
was just typed over like Jack Nicholson for

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the shining. But yeah, this
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because including in the South and West, this all lasted until the Revolution.

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Before World War One, Austrian General
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started actively promoting the ideas of Ukraine
and the Ukrainianization. Their motive was obvious.

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Just before World War One, they
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secured themselves favorable conditions in the border
area. So the idea which had emerged

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in Poland that people residing in that
territory were allegedly not really Russians, but

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rather belonged to a special ethnic group
Ukrainians, started being propagated by the Austrian

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General staff as far back as the
nineteenth century. This was a thing that

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Western people and Western intelligence also began
to understand in the British Empire as well

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in the too, because there was
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link, if Russia ever made a
link or an alliance with Germany, that

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basically it would be unstoppable. That
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Communists wanted to have you know,
East Germany, West German, excuse me,

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East Germany as a you know,
Soviet state. So there's a geostrategic

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idea behind why that was the case. But that's so I think that's probably

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playing into what he's talking about here. But yeah, it was very relevant

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for then Western strategists to make sure
that they could peel off anything that was

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that close to Russia. And if
the Ukraine, right, if Kiev is

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like the heart of Russia, to
peel that off is devastating, just symbolically

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speaking, even without considering the the
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appeared. All those, however,
claimed that Ukraine should have a very good

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relationship with Russia. They insisted on
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the Bolsheviks sought to restore the statehood
and the Civil War again, including the

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hostilities with Poland. Katori. In
nineteen twenty one, piece with Poland was

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proclaimed and under that treaty the right
bank of Nipper River once again was given

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back to Poland. In nineteen thirty
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it did collaborate with Hitler. You
know, Hitler offered Poland peace and a

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treaty of friendship an alliance, demanding
in return that Poland give back to Germany.

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This, by the way, was
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So the British actually, through their
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into Poland, as quickly covers.
So that's really important to know too,

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because it's not like Hitler was just
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wanted to, didn't care what anybody. No. He had the dual appeasement

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support where the British republicly saying one
thing against Hitler, but secretly in the

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background they had made an agreement with
him that we will not do anything if

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you go into Poland, which was
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The events car Door, which connected
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and Kunningsburg. After World War well
in this territory was transferred to Poland,

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and instead of Danzig, a city
of Dansk emerged. Mister Hitler asked them

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to give it amicably, but they
refused. Of course, still they collaborated

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with Hitler and engaged together. You
missed it in the partitioning of Czechoslovakia.

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But I may ask you. You're
making the case that that Ukraine, certainly

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parts of Ukraine, Easter Nukraine is
in effect Russia has been for hundreds of

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years. Why wouldn't you just take
it when you became president twenty four years

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ago? You have nuclear weapons,
they don't if it's actually your land,

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why did you wait so long?
I'll tell you, I'm coming to that

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this briefing is coming to an end. It might be boring, but it

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explains many things. You just don't
know how it's relevant. No at least,

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good good, I'm so gratified that
you appreciate that. Thank you so.

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Before World War Two, Poland collaborated
with Hitler, and although it did

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not yield to Hitler's demands, it
still participated in the partitioning of Czechoslovakia together

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with Hitler, as the Poles had
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It went too far, pushing Hitler
to start World War two by attacking

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them. Why was it Poland against
whom the war started on first September nineteen

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thirty nine. Poland turned out to
be uncompromising and Hitler had nothing to do

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but start implementing his plans with Poland. By the way, the USSR,

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I have read some archive documents,
behaved very honestly. It asked Poland's permission

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to transit its troops through the Polish
territory to help Czechoslovakia, but the then

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Polish Foreign minister said that if the
Soviet plans flew over Poland, they would

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be down over the territory of Poland. Your life, But that doesn't matter.

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What matters is that the war begun
and Poland fell prey to the policies

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it has pursued against Czechoslovakia is under
the well known malo. This is interesting

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because you don't, you know,
in academia and in the West, we

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don't often get history takes outside of
the academic western liberal perspective. So it's

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good to hear people from other perspectives. Looking at the Cold War. This

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is very reminiscent too of a lot
of the great insights and points that Mark

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Hackart has made in many of his
essays, where for example, he's translated

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probably thirty you know, writings from
KGB colonel's generals, you know, g

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r U, you name it.
And it's always good to get their perspective

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and see the insights. For example, if we look at the Soviet perspective

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on Lord Victor Rothschild, we can
very clearly see that both they and the

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West in certain sectors were very suspicious
of this person, that he might be

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a double agent or playing both sides. And that's essentially what you know comes

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out in certain recent books, theorizing
about Lord Victory being the fifth man of

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the Camber's firing and so forth.
So it's good to hear these other perspectives

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and to get even insights from like
what might be in the you know,

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Soviet archives or whatever. A riact
part of the territory, including Western Ukraine,

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was to be given to Russia.
Thus Russia, which was then named

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the us SR, regained this historical
lands after the victory in the Great Patriotic

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War as we call World War two, all those territories were ultimately enshrined as

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belonging to Russia to the U S. So Pinsas as for Poland, it

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received, apparently in compensation, the
lands which had originally been German, the

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eastern parts of Germany. These are
now western lands of Poland. Of course,

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Poland regained access to the Baltic Sea
and Danzig, which was once again

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given its Polish name. So this
was how this situation developed. In nineteen

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twenty two, when the U S
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building the U S s R and
established the Soviet Ukraine, which had never

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existed before. Stalin insisted that those
republics be included in the U S s

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R as after autonomous entities. For
some inexplicable reason, Lenin, the founder

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of the Soviet state, insisted that
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and again, for some unknown reasons, he transferred to that newly established

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the Soviet Republic of Ukraine some of
the lands together with people living there,

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even though those lens had never been
called Ukraine, and yet they were made

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part of that Soviet Republic of Ukraine. Those lens included the Black Sea region,

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which was received under Katharine of the
group. Interesting too, it was

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Christian Rakowsky that we've covered. Who
I think he was the governor, uh

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was it of Kiev or even maybe
the president of the Ukraine. Le let

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me see what the yes, so
former chairman of the Council of the Public

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People's Kammiszaars of the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist
Republic. And of course he was born

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with a different name. Trying to
see what his real name was. He

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is the of course successor to Trotsky. So Christian Rokovsky was not actually born

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in Christian Rokovsky. There's a different
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And so people have speculated on what
might have been his origins, his

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belief system. In other words,
he might have been raised with, you

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know, Yiddish philosophy, so to
speak. Anyway, Rakowsky is of course

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the agent not only of Trotskyism but
essentially the Rothschilds. And if you look

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at the Rakovsky interrogation, which is
relevant to what Putin's talking about right here,

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it's sometimes called the Red Symphony,
it actually makes this point. Rakovski

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himself, apparently in the interrogation says
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Now I have a book, an
ancient archive, non ancient but like

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an actual archive book of Stalinists interrogations
by the NKVD. I mean, obviously

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it's not all of them, and
there is an interrogation in there of Rokovsky.

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It's not the same as the Red
Symphony interrogation though, So that's so

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we know that he was interrogated by
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Some have argued, well, this
might be you know, disinformation or

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whatever. I don't really see how
it serves, and it doesn't really work

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in Stalin's favor except that it justifies
maybe getting rid of Rokovsky. But everything

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the Rakowsky says really undermine all of
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So the motivations seem dubious if we
want to ascribe that to stall And,

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which had no historical connection with Ukraine
whatsoever. Even if we go as

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far back as sixteen fifty four when
these lands returned to Russian Empire, that

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territory was the size of three to
four regions of modern Ukraine, with no

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Black Sea region. That was completely
out of the question. In sixteen fifty

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four. Exactly. I'm just you
obviously have encyclopedic knowledge of this region,

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but why didn't you make this case
for the first twenty two years as president

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that Ukraine wasn't a real country.
Ituk ituck fabous ukrain The Soviet Union was

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given a great deal of territory that
had never belonged to it, including the

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Black Sea region. At some point
when Russia received them as an outcome of

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the Russo Turkish Wars, they were
called New Russia or Novarasiya. But that

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does not matter. What matters is
that Lenin, the founder of the Soviet

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state, established Ukraine that way.
For decades, the Ukrainian Soviet Republic developed

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as part of the U S s
R. And for unknown reasons, again,

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the Bolsheviks were engaged in Ukrainianization.
It was not merely because the Soviet

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leadership was composed. Well, those
unknown reasons might be what we're talking about.

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The Western geopolitical strategies understood peeling off
of Ukraine from Russia and what that

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would mean, the significance of it. That's why I continued to be a

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strategy that even tiny mustache Man was
for extent of those originating from Ukraine.

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Rather was explained by the general policy
of indigenization pursued by the Soviet Union.

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Same things were done in other Soviet
republics. This involved promoting national languages and

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national cultures, which is not about
in principle. That is how the Soviet

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Ukraine was created. After the World
War Two, Ukraine received, in addition

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to the lands that had belonged to
Poland before the war, part of the

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lands that had previously belonged to Hungary
and Romania. So Romania and Hungary had

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some of their lands taken away and
given to the Soviet Ukraine, and they

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still remain part of Ukraine. So
in this sense we have every reason to

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affirm that Ukraine is an artificial state
that was shaped at Stalin's will. Do

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you believe Hungary has a right to
take its land back from Ukraine and that

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other nations have a right to go
back to their sixteen fifty four bordersgism.

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I'm not sure whether they should go
back to the sixteen fifty four orders,

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but given Stalin's time, so called
Stalin's regime, which as many claim,

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saw numerous violations of human rights and
violations of the rights of other states victims.

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One may say that they could claim
back those lends of theirs, while

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having no right to do that.
It is at least understandable. Have you

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told Victor Orban that he can have
part of Ukraine? Never? I have

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never told them, not a single
time. We have not even had any

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conversation on that. But I actually
know for sure that Hungarians who live there

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and wanted to get back to their
historical land. Moreover, I would like

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to share a very interesting story with
you. I digress, it's a personal

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one. Somewhere in the early eighties, I went on a road trip in

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00:43:09,599 --> 00:43:15,679
a car from then Leningrad across the
Soviet Union through Kiev, who made a

405
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:22,320
stop in Kiev and then went to
western Ukraine. I went to the town

406
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:28,199
of Bidagavoye, and all the names
of towns and villages there were in Russian

407
00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:32,480
and in the language I did not
understand, in Hungarian, in Russian and

408
00:43:32,559 --> 00:43:38,840
in Hungarian, not in Ukrainian.
In Russian and in Hungarian. I was

409
00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:44,599
driving through some kind of village and
there were men sitting next to the houses,

410
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:49,679
and they were wearing black three piece
suits and black cylinder hats. I

411
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:57,199
asked, are they some kind of
entertainers. Is the men in black or

412
00:43:57,960 --> 00:44:01,280
or is it the banksters? Right, it's like top hat wearing David Rockefeller,

413
00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:05,960
And I'm joking. We got to
some tips, not super chats.

414
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:10,400
J Jewel eighty five. Thank you, Jay. Please talk about how Rome

415
00:44:10,519 --> 00:44:14,519
is doing. Rome is not doing
well. We have covered Rome quite a

416
00:44:14,519 --> 00:44:16,519
bit. This is a few weeks
ago the super chat, but Rome's not

417
00:44:16,599 --> 00:44:22,840
doing well, and I think everything
that we see coming out of Rome bears

418
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:27,400
that out. Dave Goodminer five dollars, Thank you so much for that super

419
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:30,559
chat. Edward Bird twenty dollars,
Thank you for that super chat. Agent

420
00:44:30,639 --> 00:44:34,960
Acht twenty dollars. How did I
miss this episode? Yeah, remember guys

421
00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:37,480
that most of everything that goes up
goes up across all the platforms. There's

422
00:44:37,519 --> 00:44:40,840
a couple of unique things though to
rock Finn, and a couple of unique

423
00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:45,719
things to the website. So I
still haven't moved into all the material over

424
00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:50,480
to Rock Finn. Probably seventy percent
of it has been moved, but there's

425
00:44:50,519 --> 00:44:53,920
a lot of material. But let's
see dan Z five dollars. Thank you

426
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:58,840
so much, dan Z. Danzi
some of another five dollars much appreciated.

427
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:06,440
Dave Goodminer ten dollars. Attila Mueller
sends five dollars. Agent Accent's another twenty.

428
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:13,840
Never surrender exactly, Steve Frausty Edward
Bird five dollars. Wow. In

429
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:16,840
your debate with Steffan Molinou, he
turned about five different colors and was babbling

430
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:22,199
incoherently, while Jane maintained supreme confidence
and composure. Well done. Well.

431
00:45:22,679 --> 00:45:28,320
I will have to say, though, that the debate with Stefan was definitely

432
00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:34,920
a much better libertarian type of opponent
than whoever the goober was. I was

433
00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:38,079
talking to tonight, so I'd much
rather talk to Steffan than that guy.

434
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:42,519
Chris Granhaman five dollars, Thank you
so much. Davey Minor five dollars.

435
00:45:42,599 --> 00:45:45,920
Young Wook Jesus or Jez sends five
dollars. Great interview, Jay, thank

436
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:52,599
you so much. Al Margiles five
dollars. Shout out to Al Margiles,

437
00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:55,639
thank you for this content. Young
Whoop GEEZI. Dave Gominer five dollars.

438
00:45:57,119 --> 00:46:00,880
John Burnham two dollars, thank you
so much, so we'll go back to

439
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:05,079
this. It was still no.
They were not entertain there's they're hungarians.

440
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:07,559
I said, what are they doing
here? What do you mean? This

441
00:46:07,719 --> 00:46:12,079
is their land, they live here. This was during the Soviet time in

442
00:46:12,119 --> 00:46:16,440
the nineteen eighties. They preserved the
Hungarian language, Hungarian names, and all

443
00:46:16,519 --> 00:46:22,679
their national costumes. They are Hungarians
and they feel themselves to be Hungarians.

444
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:28,000
And of course when now there is
an infringement, well that is and there's

445
00:46:28,039 --> 00:46:30,719
a lot of that though. I
think many nations that are upset about Transylvania

446
00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:32,920
as well, as you obviously know, but many nations feel frustrated by the

447
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:37,280
redrawn borders of the wars of the
twentieth century and wars going back a thousand

448
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:43,239
years, the ones that you mentioned. But the fact is that you didn't

449
00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:45,960
make this case in public until two
years ago February. And in the case

450
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:51,760
that you made, which I read
today, you explain at great length that

451
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:54,679
you felt a physical threat from the
web. Well, he probably didn't make

452
00:46:54,719 --> 00:46:59,039
that case because he probably wasn't planning
to do these things at the time.

453
00:47:00,639 --> 00:47:06,239
But I remember reading about this view
in twenty fourteen. The first time I

454
00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:10,360
encountered this perspective and this history was
twenty fourteen. I didn't know a lot

455
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:15,519
of history about Ukraine in twenty fourteen, but the Maidan Ku kind of forced

456
00:47:15,559 --> 00:47:20,159
me to look at this stuff and
I learned it at that time. But

457
00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:24,280
Russia wasn't at that time pushing that
story because they were still I think a

458
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:32,440
defensive posture by a NATO expansion.
And the first time that I heard of

459
00:47:32,639 --> 00:47:45,039
the biolabs was Diliana Gattieva when she
was interviewed on twenty first Century Wire prior

460
00:47:45,159 --> 00:47:53,880
to her speaking at AV nine and
talking about it. So Patrick was actually

461
00:47:53,880 --> 00:48:00,199
breaking that like super early, and
now I think somebody had even Diliana had

462
00:48:00,199 --> 00:48:04,960
maybe even talked about it earlier than
with Patrick. Right, she was at

463
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:07,599
ABY nine. By the way,
I don't know if her lecture is still

464
00:48:07,639 --> 00:48:10,039
up now. If you go watch
her lecture from memory, she doesn't talk

465
00:48:10,079 --> 00:48:15,360
about I think she does mention these
labs everywhere, but she focuses on one

466
00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:22,519
that the Pentagon was involved in in
Cousak. Stant I don't remember where it's

467
00:48:22,559 --> 00:48:25,199
not you, I don't remember where
her her lab was. Anyway, she

468
00:48:25,199 --> 00:48:32,480
she seems to have broken that and
then it became more public and known at

469
00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:38,960
the time of the special military operation
you know, Ukraine War in NATO,

470
00:48:39,079 --> 00:48:44,119
including potentially a nuclear threat and that's
what got you to move. Is that

471
00:48:44,159 --> 00:48:53,639
a fair characterization of what you said? Did you need yellow? I understand

472
00:48:53,639 --> 00:48:59,079
that my long speech is probably fall
outside of the genre of the interview.

473
00:49:00,159 --> 00:49:02,840
That is why I asked you at
the beginning, are we going to have

474
00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:08,199
a serious talk or a show?
You said, a serious talk. So

475
00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:15,920
there with me. We're coming to
the point where the Soviet Ukraine was established.

476
00:49:16,079 --> 00:49:22,599
Then, in nineteen ninety one,
the Soviet Union collapsed and everything that

477
00:49:22,679 --> 00:49:29,800
Russia had generously bestowed on Ukraine was
dragged away by the latter. I'm coming

478
00:49:29,840 --> 00:49:35,320
to a very important point of today's
agenda. Thank you. After all,

479
00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:43,280
the collapse of the Soviet Union was
effectively initiated by the Russian leadership. No,

480
00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:46,519
I do not understand what the Russian
leadership was guided at the time,

481
00:49:47,079 --> 00:49:52,440
but I suspect there were several reasons
to think everything would be fine. Peer

482
00:49:53,599 --> 00:50:01,880
move to first. I think that
then Russian leadership believed that the fundamentals of

483
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:07,480
the relationship between Russia and Ukraine were
in fact a common language. More than

484
00:50:07,559 --> 00:50:16,039
ninety percent of the population there spoke
Russian. Family size. Every third person

485
00:50:16,079 --> 00:50:22,519
there had some kind of family or
friendship size. Common culture, common history,

486
00:50:22,119 --> 00:50:27,480
finally, common faith, co existence
with a single state for centuries,

487
00:50:28,280 --> 00:50:37,199
and deeply interconnected economies. All of
these were so fundamental. All these elements

488
00:50:37,199 --> 00:50:45,920
together make our good relationships inevitable.
American Ski, the second point is a

489
00:50:45,039 --> 00:50:51,599
very important one. I want you, as an American citizen and your viewers

490
00:50:51,639 --> 00:50:57,760
to hear about this as well.
The former Russian leadership assumed that the Soviet

491
00:50:57,840 --> 00:51:02,920
Union had ceased to exist and therefore
there were no longer any ideological dividing lines.

492
00:51:06,559 --> 00:51:12,760
Russia even agreed voluntarily and proactively to
the collapse of the Soviet Union and

493
00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:20,079
believed that this would be understood by
the so called civilized West. Wow,

494
00:51:20,119 --> 00:51:22,880
that's pretty wild. So I got
curious and I had to look up a

495
00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:29,079
V nine in the UK that I
spoke at, and Uh, the police

496
00:51:29,079 --> 00:51:35,440
guy talking about human trafficking is still
there. Uh, this lecture is still

497
00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:37,960
there. Ian Crane is still there. Patrick Henningson's talk about media is still

498
00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:45,679
there. Benny Wills's talk is still
there. My talk is still there somewhere

499
00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:54,360
on here, but I don't come
out. That's weird. So they bury

500
00:51:54,400 --> 00:52:00,199
a lot of these. This is
wild, But you'll notice Dilly Yanna her

501
00:52:00,239 --> 00:52:04,800
talk is not on here either that
or it's gone. Let's see if I

502
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:14,360
can pull it up. Aha.
So notice it was hidden, so you

503
00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:16,559
type in AVY nine and it doesn't
pop up, and here it is.

504
00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:22,320
Look at that. So she was
talking about this before EVY nine too.

505
00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:29,960
By the way, this is six
years ago almost or getting get five and

506
00:52:29,960 --> 00:52:38,480
a half. I guess, Liliana. The script all affair in UK leaves

507
00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:43,519
a lot of unanswered questions. Teresa
may Boris Johnson, et cetera. With

508
00:52:43,679 --> 00:52:47,480
their story of this nova talk fake
ass, stupid, fake spy story.

509
00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:54,639
The US Army regularly creates and engages
in biol warfare, et cetera. She

510
00:52:54,719 --> 00:53:01,239
talks about Pentagon funding and then here
you go, look at that cooperative biological

511
00:53:01,639 --> 00:53:07,760
program located where former Soviet countries Georgia, Ukraine, Middle East. There you

512
00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:12,400
go. So I was correct.
I remember all this because I was there.

513
00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:17,320
I heard all this. And look
she's even got like the the locations.

514
00:53:17,599 --> 00:53:21,559
So let me put this in the
chat because this is buried. This

515
00:53:21,679 --> 00:53:27,320
is crazy. So she was covering
this way back then. Patrick was covering

516
00:53:27,320 --> 00:53:29,519
it too. Here it is in
the chat. You guys want to watch

517
00:53:29,519 --> 00:53:37,679
her full talk from twenty eighteen talking
about the information in the intel that you

518
00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:44,760
hear now right, she was talking
about it back then. So there you

519
00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:52,599
go. There's that as an invitation
for cooperation and associations. Yes, that

520
00:53:52,719 --> 00:53:57,159
is what Russia was expecting, both
from the United States and the so called

521
00:53:57,199 --> 00:54:00,000
collective West as a whole. Need
to get the mind. But there were

522
00:54:00,079 --> 00:54:06,760
smart people, including in Germany Egon
Barr, a major politician of the Social

523
00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:13,000
Democratic Party, who insisted in his
personal conversations with the Soviet leadership on the

524
00:54:13,039 --> 00:54:16,840
brink of the collapse of the Soviet
Union that a new security system should be

525
00:54:16,960 --> 00:54:23,199
established in Europe. Help should be
given to unify Germany, but a new

526
00:54:23,280 --> 00:54:29,239
system should be also established to include
the United States, Canada, Russia and

527
00:54:29,320 --> 00:54:36,000
other Central European countries. But NATO
needs not to expand, That's what he

528
00:54:36,039 --> 00:54:40,280
said. If NATO expands, everything
would be just the same as during the

529
00:54:40,280 --> 00:54:46,679
Cold War, only closer to Russia's
borders. That's all. He was a

530
00:54:46,719 --> 00:54:51,440
wise old man, but no one
listened to him. In fact, he

531
00:54:51,480 --> 00:54:58,159
got angry ones if he said,
you don't listen to me, I'm never

532
00:54:58,320 --> 00:55:04,159
setting my foot in Moscow once again, meanion everything happened just as he had

533
00:55:04,199 --> 00:55:07,039
said. Well, of course it
did come true. And you've mentioned this

534
00:55:07,119 --> 00:55:10,119
many times. I think it's a
fair point. And many in America thought

535
00:55:10,519 --> 00:55:15,760
that relations between Russia and the United
States would be fine with the collapse of

536
00:55:15,760 --> 00:55:19,480
the sovietnion in the end of the
Core War. That the opposite happened.

537
00:55:19,840 --> 00:55:23,360
But you've never explained why you think
that happened, except to say that the

538
00:55:23,360 --> 00:55:27,920
West fears a strong Russia, but
we have a strong China. The West

539
00:55:27,960 --> 00:55:34,360
does not seem very afraid of.
What about Russia? Do you think convinced

540
00:55:34,360 --> 00:55:38,760
policymakers they had to take it down. This is mentioned in quickly, by

541
00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:45,159
the way, in the first two
hundred pages, that the Anglo American establishment,

542
00:55:45,280 --> 00:55:49,000
which just means the Western Atlanta's power
structure, it's called that because it

543
00:55:49,079 --> 00:55:52,480
predated existence of the Nation State of
Israel. Every time I say that,

544
00:55:52,480 --> 00:55:55,320
people spurg out and act like idiots
and think that you don't even know about

545
00:55:55,519 --> 00:56:00,400
Israel. Yeah, I'm very aware
of Israel. I mean, we covered

546
00:56:00,440 --> 00:56:05,440
the entire chapter in Quigley's book about
the establishment of the Nation State of Israel

547
00:56:05,480 --> 00:56:08,559
by the Anglo American Establishment, which
ultimately Rothschild I've said this one hundred million

548
00:56:08,599 --> 00:56:19,480
times and people still he doesn't even
know what you So what he's talking about

549
00:56:19,480 --> 00:56:23,199
here is the a lot of what
we've been talking about. So I like

550
00:56:23,280 --> 00:56:30,639
that we got to this point.
I keep getting distracted by the Gold Renaissance

551
00:56:30,679 --> 00:56:37,480
era stuff in the background. The
blame the Kremlin bling is kind of entrancing.

552
00:56:37,679 --> 00:56:40,960
Right, remember when Quentin Tarantino went
to the Kremlin and even he was

553
00:56:42,719 --> 00:56:45,320
kind of surprised by it. I
imagine it's kind of like the Vatican.

554
00:56:45,400 --> 00:56:50,760
Right when you go to the Vatican, it's like it's it's pretty moving the

555
00:56:50,800 --> 00:56:53,079
first time you see it. Just
from an artistic perspective when you walk in

556
00:56:53,119 --> 00:57:00,400
there, I see there is afraid
of strunk China more than it fear is

557
00:57:00,400 --> 00:57:07,280
a strong Russia because Russia has one
fifty million people in China. Oh,

558
00:57:07,280 --> 00:57:15,679
I forgot, who was gonna talk
about Chiana. The the West doesn't fear

559
00:57:15,800 --> 00:57:22,760
China because it's a atheists set up
created Western global estate. That's why they

560
00:57:22,760 --> 00:57:25,480
don't fear China. China's just like
a thing they roll out as a fear

561
00:57:27,079 --> 00:57:30,000
when they need to fear it.
I mean, theoretically, yes, China

562
00:57:30,039 --> 00:57:37,880
could be a threat if the West
literally didn't continue to support and aid it

563
00:57:37,960 --> 00:57:40,519
at a higher level, and there
was some sort of I mean, let's

564
00:57:40,519 --> 00:57:43,519
put it this way, if the
West collapsed, I mean, yeah,

565
00:57:43,519 --> 00:57:47,480
that China would definitely take over.
Maybe China and Russia would take over.

566
00:57:49,079 --> 00:57:53,000
I mean, And that's geopolitics,
because if I'm saying if the West collapses,

567
00:57:53,280 --> 00:57:59,280
right, if that happens, it
will be because the West collapse from

568
00:57:59,320 --> 00:58:05,599
within. It's not KGB agents and
Chinese people ultimately collapsing. The West is

569
00:58:05,639 --> 00:58:08,239
because of all the degenerate elites in
the West set up and aided all of

570
00:58:08,280 --> 00:58:14,320
these other countries to eventually collapse at
the West end takeover. Does that make

571
00:58:14,360 --> 00:58:20,159
sense? So this is one point
five billion population and its economy is growing

572
00:58:20,199 --> 00:58:23,159
by leaps and bounds or five percent
a year. It used to be even

573
00:58:23,199 --> 00:58:29,039
more. But that's enough for China. As Bismark once put it, potential

574
00:58:29,199 --> 00:58:35,199
are the most important. China's potential
is enormous. Did Putin say it that

575
00:58:35,239 --> 00:58:37,519
way or the translator that way?
Like maybe Putin was war gaming. He

576
00:58:37,599 --> 00:58:43,360
was like, we need to say
this in the word that the Donald Trump

577
00:58:43,639 --> 00:58:50,239
is Chiina chie. You gonna do
a square with your lips. That's the

578
00:58:50,320 --> 00:58:54,599
secret to Trump. Depression is a
square. What do your lips? This

579
00:58:54,719 --> 00:59:00,360
economy in the world today, in
terms of purchasing power, parity and the

580
00:59:00,440 --> 00:59:04,920
size of the economy, it has
already overtaken the United States quite a long

581
00:59:04,960 --> 00:59:08,000
time ago, and it is growing
at a rapid clip. Let's not talk

582
00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:12,880
about who is afraid of whom.
Let's not reason in such terms, and

583
00:59:12,960 --> 00:59:16,400
let's get into the fact that after
nineteen ninety one, when Russia expected that

584
00:59:16,440 --> 00:59:22,440
it would be welcomed into the broadly
family of civilized nations, nothing like this

585
00:59:22,519 --> 00:59:25,760
happened. The tricktest. I don't
mean you personally when I say you,

586
00:59:27,119 --> 00:59:30,000
of course, I'm talking about the
United States. The promise was that NATO

587
00:59:30,159 --> 00:59:35,559
would not expand eastward. But it
happened five times. There were five waves

588
00:59:35,599 --> 00:59:39,119
of expansion, which tolerated all that
we were trying to persuade them. We

589
00:59:39,119 --> 00:59:44,320
were saying, please, don't we
are as bourgeois now as you are.

590
00:59:44,519 --> 00:59:50,000
We are market economy and there's no
communist party power. Let's negotiate Moreover.

591
00:59:50,559 --> 00:59:58,840
I have also said this publicly before. There was a moment when thesal with

592
00:59:59,000 --> 01:00:04,280
a certain rift started growing between us, Before that Yeltsin came to the United

593
01:00:04,320 --> 01:00:08,440
States. Remember he spoke in Congress
and said the good words God bless America.

594
01:00:08,760 --> 01:00:15,519
Everything he said were signals let us
in. Remember the developments in Yugoslavia

595
01:00:15,639 --> 01:00:20,440
before the Yeltsin was lavished with praise. As soon as the developments in Yugoslavia

596
01:00:20,480 --> 01:00:23,239
started, he raised his voice in
support of Serbs, and we couldn't but

597
01:00:23,400 --> 01:00:31,000
raise our voices for Serbs. Remember
that Yeltsin was the CIA Western Harvard plant

598
01:00:31,159 --> 01:00:38,239
that was there to help facilitate the
transition from Sovietism to capitalist market economy,

599
01:00:38,440 --> 01:00:46,280
which actually just meant that former KGB
and international corporate banking elites would basically loot

600
01:00:46,360 --> 01:00:52,440
Russia. So this is covered in
Daniel Estlin's books Shadow Masters, It's covered

601
01:00:52,480 --> 01:00:58,599
in Whitney Webb's Epstein book Part two. There's a whole section on this about

602
01:00:58,960 --> 01:01:04,119
Larry Summers and the whole Harvard crewe
and them looting Rash. She was even

603
01:01:04,119 --> 01:01:10,320
investigating in the nineteen nineties and Congress
I think Astalin mentions that. So remember

604
01:01:10,360 --> 01:01:19,719
just remember that literal CIA puppet is
what you're what you're looking at with with

605
01:01:19,880 --> 01:01:25,519
Yeltin, and he's just there basically
to facilitate the looting of the country.

606
01:01:25,559 --> 01:01:30,119
That's it. In their defense,
I understand that there were complex processes and

607
01:01:30,239 --> 01:01:34,599
the way there, I do,
but Russia could not help raising its voice

608
01:01:34,599 --> 01:01:38,320
in support of Serbs because Serbs are
also a special and close to US nation

609
01:01:38,920 --> 01:01:44,079
with Orthodox culture and so on.
It's a nation that has suffered so much

610
01:01:44,079 --> 01:01:49,599
for generations. Well, regardless,
what is important is that Yielsen expressed his

611
01:01:49,679 --> 01:01:53,639
support. What did the United States
do in violation of an international law and

612
01:01:53,679 --> 01:01:58,840
the UN Charter? It started bombing
Belgrade. It was the United States that

613
01:01:58,920 --> 01:02:07,000
led the genie out of the bottle. Moreover, when Russia, who's that

614
01:02:07,800 --> 01:02:15,119
charter and international Who? Dude,
do you hear putin throwing in those secret

615
01:02:15,679 --> 01:02:21,159
Christina Aguilera references. Dude, what
was that all about? I'm a genie

616
01:02:21,199 --> 01:02:29,679
in a bottle? Will genies and
bottles all have become obsolete? Now everyone

617
01:02:29,760 --> 01:02:34,599
invokes international law, But at that
time they started saying that everything was outdated,

618
01:02:34,960 --> 01:02:38,360
everything had to be changed. Indeed, some things need to be changed

619
01:02:38,679 --> 01:02:43,599
as the balance of power has changed, It's true, but not in this

620
01:02:43,800 --> 01:02:47,760
manner. Elsen was immediately dragged through
the mud, accused of alcoholism, of

621
01:02:47,920 --> 01:02:53,360
understanding nothing, of knowing nothing,
he understood everything. I assure you well.

622
01:02:54,760 --> 01:02:59,719
I became president in two thousand.
I thought, Okay, the Yugoslavi

623
01:02:59,760 --> 01:03:05,480
issue is over, but we should
try to restore relations. Let's reopen the

624
01:03:05,480 --> 01:03:08,719
door that Russia had tried to go
through. And moreover, I said it

625
01:03:08,760 --> 01:03:16,079
publicly. I can't reiterate at a
meeting here in the Kremlin with the outgoing

626
01:03:16,119 --> 01:03:22,360
President Bill Clinton right here in the
next room, I said to him,

627
01:03:23,239 --> 01:03:30,679
oh there you, oh there you. I'm so glad to be here in

628
01:03:30,719 --> 01:03:35,320
the Kremlin. Now we got a
couple more super chats. Jeremy Friedman,

629
01:03:35,400 --> 01:03:37,519
since ten dollars, Thank you so
much, Jeremy, appreciate that. Young

630
01:03:37,559 --> 01:03:43,039
w Geezy sends another five dollars,
says, get me at work, right,

631
01:03:43,119 --> 01:03:46,719
you got me a work, singing
the climate change, the climate change,

632
01:03:47,039 --> 01:03:51,880
the climate change, fadista. Since
five dollars, Thank you so much,

633
01:03:51,920 --> 01:03:54,320
fadista. Catherine Rice, since five
dollars, Thank you so much,

634
01:03:54,400 --> 01:04:00,760
Catherine much appreciated, going all the
way back to the bill they is for

635
01:04:00,880 --> 01:04:11,280
the build all days. Do you
think if Russia asked to join NATO,

636
01:04:11,360 --> 01:04:15,920
do you think it would happen suddenly? He said, you know, it's

637
01:04:15,920 --> 01:04:21,320
interesting. I think so. But
in the evening when we met for dinner,

638
01:04:23,000 --> 01:04:26,559
he said, you know, I've
talked to my team. No,

639
01:04:26,559 --> 01:04:31,119
No, it's not possible. Now
you can ask him. I think he

640
01:04:31,159 --> 01:04:35,679
will watch our interview. He'll confirm
it. I wouldn't have said anything like

641
01:04:35,800 --> 01:04:42,199
that if it hadn't happened. Okay, we're using this impossible Now would you

642
01:04:42,400 --> 01:04:47,519
have join NATO? Look, I
asked the question, is it possible or

643
01:04:47,559 --> 01:04:51,400
not? And the answer I got
was no. If I was insincere in

644
01:04:51,440 --> 01:04:56,239
my desire to find out what the
leadership position was. But if he had

645
01:04:56,239 --> 01:05:01,719
said yes, would you have join
NATO? If he had sug yes,

646
01:05:02,000 --> 01:05:08,000
the process of reproachment would have commenced, and eventually it might have happened if

647
01:05:08,039 --> 01:05:12,039
we had seen some sincere wish on
the other side of our partners. But

648
01:05:12,320 --> 01:05:15,360
it didn't happen. Oh, I
forgot what I was saying about Quigley.

649
01:05:15,920 --> 01:05:19,360
I've been yapping for a two hours, but idiot libertarian, so my mind

650
01:05:19,440 --> 01:05:25,480
is kind of mush. Yeah.
Quiggly says that the Anglo American establishment saw

651
01:05:25,639 --> 01:05:30,360
that it would do anything and everything
possible in the twentieth century to destroy its

652
01:05:30,440 --> 01:05:35,400
two main rivals, Austro Hungarian Empire
and the Russian Empire. So we know

653
01:05:35,480 --> 01:05:41,000
that the motivations of not just the
two World Wars, but the Cold War

654
01:05:41,039 --> 01:05:45,960
as well, right, allah Quiggly
had everything to do with exhausting, weakening,

655
01:05:46,199 --> 01:05:53,639
destabilizing any power that quickly calls traditional, and by that he means powers

656
01:05:53,679 --> 01:05:59,280
that structured themselves and their governments around
authority. So the West supposedly is oh,

657
01:05:59,400 --> 01:06:04,639
democrat, libertarian, LII fair,
free market economics, all this stuff.

658
01:06:04,679 --> 01:06:11,719
Supposedly that's what our philosophy is.
So we reoriented all of our international

659
01:06:12,320 --> 01:06:18,280
understanding of international law prior to the
twentieth century around those kinds of free market

660
01:06:18,320 --> 01:06:25,239
ideas and attitudes and common law and
natural law and maritime law and all this

661
01:06:25,280 --> 01:06:29,519
stuff. Supposedly that's the narrative at
least. Right, but you had two

662
01:06:29,559 --> 01:06:39,159
remaining trad or I forget what maybe
authoritarian and that would be Russia and Austrongarian

663
01:06:39,199 --> 01:06:44,480
Empire and the Axis powers. So
the West had to make sure that for

664
01:06:44,719 --> 01:06:50,440
its extension of power and soft power
to go forward democratic capitalism. According to

665
01:06:50,559 --> 01:06:55,760
Quigley, those two chief rivals would
have to be gotten rid of at all

666
01:06:55,840 --> 01:07:00,519
costs and in any ways via any
means, so that the two World Wars

667
01:07:00,599 --> 01:07:09,760
were the means not necessarily of immediately
smashing these powers, but actually exhausting them.

668
01:07:10,440 --> 01:07:14,239
And that was exactly the same strategy
that Brazenski had for Russia in the

669
01:07:15,599 --> 01:07:21,599
Soviet Afghanistan conflict. Get them bogged
down in these wars and actually quickly says

670
01:07:21,599 --> 01:07:27,119
that in multiple places in Tragy and
Hope that the West just had this kind

671
01:07:27,159 --> 01:07:34,960
of standard procedure of getting into these
big, protracted, drawn out conflicts that

672
01:07:35,079 --> 01:07:41,559
eventually wear down the people involved.
Now, isn't that interesting that that's the

673
01:07:41,599 --> 01:07:46,199
strategy of the you know, society, the elect royal society, elite CIA,

674
01:07:46,519 --> 01:07:51,119
Western Eastern Coast elite in the twentieth
century, that's their strategy for these

675
01:07:53,400 --> 01:07:57,480
two world wars in the Cold War? And isn't that what we're doing now

676
01:07:57,800 --> 01:08:01,960
our country endlessly in portray a conflicts. It's almost like maybe the strategy that

677
01:08:02,079 --> 01:08:08,000
was used against the enemies of the
West are now being used in the host

678
01:08:08,079 --> 01:08:17,399
nation of America to bring it down. Oh no, means no, okay,

679
01:08:18,199 --> 01:08:20,239
why do you think that is?
Just to get to motive? I

680
01:08:20,279 --> 01:08:26,079
know you're clearly bitter about it,
I understand, But why do you think

681
01:08:26,159 --> 01:08:30,239
the West rebuffed you? Then?
Why the hostility? Why did the end

682
01:08:30,279 --> 01:08:34,279
of the Cold War not fix the
relationship? What motivates this from your point

683
01:08:34,279 --> 01:08:42,680
of view? You said it was
bitter about the answer. No, it's

684
01:08:42,720 --> 01:08:46,840
not bitterness. It's just a statement
of fact. We're not bright and groom

685
01:08:47,079 --> 01:08:51,960
bitterness, resentment. It's not about
those kinds of matters in such circumstances.

686
01:08:53,720 --> 01:08:59,159
We just realized we weren't welcome there. That's all okay, fine, but

687
01:08:59,239 --> 01:09:04,560
let's build relations in another manner.
Let's walk for common ground elsewhere. Why

688
01:09:04,640 --> 01:09:09,880
we receive such a negative response,
You should ask your leaders. I can

689
01:09:09,880 --> 01:09:14,039
only guess why to big a country
with its own opinion and so on,

690
01:09:14,840 --> 01:09:18,039
and the United States, I've seen
how issues are being resolved in NATO.

691
01:09:20,920 --> 01:09:28,640
I will give you another example now
concerning Ukraine. The US leadership exerts pressure

692
01:09:28,880 --> 01:09:35,640
and all NATO members obediently vote even
if they do not like something. Now,

693
01:09:35,680 --> 01:09:40,159
I'll tell you what happened in this
regard with Ukraine in two thousand and

694
01:09:40,239 --> 01:09:44,439
eight. Although it's being discussed,
I'm not going to open a secret to

695
01:09:44,479 --> 01:09:50,000
you say anything new. Nevertheless,
after that we tried to build relations in

696
01:09:50,079 --> 01:09:56,560
different ways, for example the events
in the Middle East. In Iraq,

697
01:09:57,760 --> 01:10:00,800
we were building relations with the United
States in a very soft, prudent,

698
01:10:01,199 --> 01:10:06,840
cautious manner. I repeatedly raised the
issue that the United States should not support

699
01:10:06,880 --> 01:10:15,439
separatism or terrorism in the North Caucasus, but they continue to do it anyway.

700
01:10:15,319 --> 01:10:21,239
And political support, information support,
financial support, even military support came

701
01:10:21,399 --> 01:10:30,279
from the United States and its satellites
for terrorist groups in the Caucasus. Yes,

702
01:10:30,399 --> 01:10:33,359
this is covered in Mark Curtis's book
Secret Affairs, where he talks about

703
01:10:33,680 --> 01:10:44,239
the Coastovo Liberation Army and other of
the Chechen radical Muslim groups received Western CIA

704
01:10:44,399 --> 01:10:46,840
aid and funding. So not many
people know that. But what Putin's talking

705
01:10:46,840 --> 01:10:53,520
about is actually one in percent admitted
by Royal Society researchers like Mark Curtis.

706
01:10:53,560 --> 01:10:59,119
By the way, I once raised
this issue with my colleague, also the

707
01:10:59,159 --> 01:11:02,520
President of the UN United States.
He says, it's impossible. So you

708
01:11:02,560 --> 01:11:06,800
have proof. I said, yes, I was prepared for this conversation,

709
01:11:08,079 --> 01:11:12,239
and I gave him that proof.
He looked at it, and you know

710
01:11:12,319 --> 01:11:16,039
what he said. I apologize,
but that's what happened. I'll quote he

711
01:11:16,079 --> 01:11:21,119
says, well, I'm going to
kick their ass. We waited and waited

712
01:11:21,199 --> 01:11:28,640
for some response. So again,
remember Mark Curtis is a Royal society.

713
01:11:28,680 --> 01:11:30,439
Reason, We're going to put you
on something. We're talking about real quick.

714
01:11:32,159 --> 01:11:35,319
I'm trying to get the full screen
hold on. I'm going to put

715
01:11:35,359 --> 01:11:45,760
you on something creep. We're talking
about the highest levels of Western Royal society

716
01:11:45,920 --> 01:11:54,880
level research. Chapter fourteen Intrigues in
the Balkans. NATO uses Al Qaeda in

717
01:11:54,920 --> 01:12:00,840
the Kla Kosovo Liberation Army completely a
fake, made up thing, and that

718
01:12:00,920 --> 01:12:06,680
whole chapter goes into that why are
you reading them conspiracy books? This is

719
01:12:06,680 --> 01:12:16,600
not a conspiracy book. This is
that's just right. Somewhere in here lists

720
01:12:16,640 --> 01:12:27,119
them as a Royal Society researcher.
Yes, Muslim Brotherhood Jahmat al is Jamat

721
01:12:27,119 --> 01:12:30,319
al Islam, the Rule Islam.
These are these cut out groups that they

722
01:12:30,399 --> 01:12:38,399
use. Britain has, however,
worked in covert operations going back to Muslim

723
01:12:38,399 --> 01:12:44,640
Brotherhood right to lawrence with a variety
of jihad groups sometimes link to the movements

724
01:12:44,680 --> 01:12:48,279
just mentioned. These groups have promoted
the most reactionary of religious and political agendas

725
01:12:48,279 --> 01:12:54,800
and routinely committed atrocities agains civilians.
Collusions of this type began in Afghanistan the

726
01:12:54,880 --> 01:12:58,359
nineteen eighties when Britain, along with
the US and Saudi and Arabia and Pakistani

727
01:12:58,920 --> 01:13:02,680
support covert aid of the resistance to
defeat the Soviet occupation of the country.

728
01:13:02,680 --> 01:13:10,039
Military, financial, diplomatic backing was
given to radical Islamic forces, and then

729
01:13:10,079 --> 01:13:15,359
he goes on to say after Zujhad
in Afghanistan, Britain went on to have

730
01:13:15,520 --> 01:13:19,039
privy dealings of one kind or another
with militant groups and other places such as

731
01:13:19,079 --> 01:13:28,920
Pakistan's Harkout on Sar, the Libyan
Islamic Fighting Group, and the Kosovo Liberation

732
01:13:29,119 --> 01:13:33,680
Army which had strong links to al
Qaeda from Ben Lawden's Al Qaeda. So

733
01:13:33,720 --> 01:13:38,520
there you go. That's Mark Curtis
the opening pages. I was looking with

734
01:13:38,600 --> 01:13:42,840
the place for callsing me royal society
research because I remember when I first read

735
01:13:42,880 --> 01:13:46,119
that. By the way, this
is a this is an over four hundred

736
01:13:46,159 --> 01:13:53,319
plays page plus book. I read
this book in twenty ten, so I

737
01:13:53,399 --> 01:13:57,920
learned I learned all of this inner
deep stuff fourteen years ago. So hopefully

738
01:13:57,960 --> 01:14:01,720
you realize that you're getting, like
you know, high level solid material here.

739
01:14:01,760 --> 01:14:05,960
This is not. This is not
temple hack conspiracy stuff. This is

740
01:14:05,960 --> 01:14:16,560
like real intelligence analysis level geopolitical information. There was no reply. I said,

741
01:14:16,600 --> 01:14:19,920
to death as B director, right
to the CIA, what is the

742
01:14:19,960 --> 01:14:26,600
result of the conversation with President?
He wrote, once twice and then we

743
01:14:26,720 --> 01:14:30,920
got a reply. We have the
answer in the archive. The CIA replied,

744
01:14:31,640 --> 01:14:35,239
we have been working with the opposition
in Russia. We believe that this

745
01:14:35,359 --> 01:14:40,119
is the right thing to do,
and we will keep on doing it.

746
01:14:40,720 --> 01:14:45,239
Just ridiculous. Well, okay,
we realized that it was out of the

747
01:14:45,319 --> 01:14:48,159
question. Force is in opposition to
you. So you're saying the CIA is

748
01:14:48,159 --> 01:14:53,920
trying to overthrow your government emails if
you do. Of course they meant in

749
01:14:53,960 --> 01:14:57,880
that particular case. Yeah, there
we go. Let me hear that again.

750
01:14:59,239 --> 01:15:02,079
I said, yes, I was
prepared for this conversation, and I

751
01:15:02,159 --> 01:15:06,239
gave him that proof. He looked
at it, and you know what he

752
01:15:06,319 --> 01:15:12,159
said. I apologize, but that's
what happened. I'll quote he says,

753
01:15:12,479 --> 01:15:16,960
well, I'm gonna kick their ass. We waited and waited for some response.

754
01:15:17,399 --> 01:15:21,039
There was no reply. I said, to death, as a B

755
01:15:21,199 --> 01:15:26,039
director, right to the CIA,
what is the result of the conversation with

756
01:15:26,159 --> 01:15:30,159
President? He wrote, once twice, and then we got a reply.

757
01:15:31,399 --> 01:15:36,239
We have the answer in the archive. The CIA replied, do you guys

758
01:15:36,239 --> 01:15:46,199
remember that Robert Bear article about Dice
cutting up and destroying e looting the Balkans.

759
01:15:47,680 --> 01:15:51,680
That's an important essay that admits,
but you can't find anymore. Let's

760
01:15:51,680 --> 01:15:58,399
see if they've scrubbed that. So
you got CIA Robert Bear admitting the very

761
01:15:58,479 --> 01:16:02,880
thing Putin's talking right, Let's see
if we can find that. It's probably

762
01:16:02,920 --> 01:16:12,800
still at Global Research. I bet
it's still there. Aha, look at

763
01:16:12,800 --> 01:16:23,560
that. Amazingly it still comes up. Former CIA agent Robert Barr. They

764
01:16:23,560 --> 01:16:27,039
gave us millions of dollars to split
up. In this case, he's talking

765
01:16:27,039 --> 01:16:30,720
about Yugoslavia. Bear claims that he
and his colleagues received millions of dollars to

766
01:16:30,760 --> 01:16:36,039
influence politicians split up from Yugoslavi.
We bribe the party's politicians, encouraging hatred

767
01:16:36,760 --> 01:16:45,039
amongst nations. What's that? Encouraging
hatred among the nations? Interesting sounds like

768
01:16:45,079 --> 01:16:57,119
strategy of tension. Let me put
this in the chat for you guys.

769
01:16:59,439 --> 01:17:06,399
There we go. I have been
working with the opposition in Russia. We

770
01:17:06,560 --> 01:17:10,960
believe that this is the right thing
to do, and we will keep on

771
01:17:11,079 --> 01:17:15,079
doing it just for Yeah, I
mean, it wasn't this kind of obvious

772
01:17:15,119 --> 01:17:20,159
too throughout the last fifteen twenty years. That's when I kind of started watching

773
01:17:20,159 --> 01:17:28,000
this stuff. And I remember remember
Michael McFowl. He was always over there

774
01:17:28,159 --> 01:17:31,960
using Pussy Riot to agitate. Obviously
that's CIA stuff. Like if you can't

775
01:17:31,960 --> 01:17:34,479
figure that out, I mean,
come on, dude, that's like that's

776
01:17:34,560 --> 01:17:38,920
like one oh one level stuff here. Remember this, do you guys remember

777
01:17:38,960 --> 01:17:48,039
this? He was what CIA front
ambassador to Russia and then he was pushing

778
01:17:49,479 --> 01:17:57,880
that horrible band, Pussy Riot,
which goes into churches and takes their top

779
01:17:57,960 --> 01:18:10,239
off. And then when you talk
about this as a form of soft power,

780
01:18:10,239 --> 01:18:15,119
which obviously it is, the Western
media, thanks everybody in the America

781
01:18:15,199 --> 01:18:18,800
is so stupid that they can say
Putin's delusional. He thinks that the State

782
01:18:18,880 --> 01:18:26,560
Department pushes feminism and Pussy Riot.
Uh yeah, duh, Yeah, I'm

783
01:18:26,560 --> 01:18:30,239
not dumb, so I know that
I know it's true. And this is

784
01:18:30,319 --> 01:18:33,760
why you get this garbage from Vice, right, like this kind of stuff.

785
01:18:34,640 --> 01:18:40,239
Pussy Riot members sue the Russian government
because they want to be able to

786
01:18:40,279 --> 01:18:45,560
go into Orthodox divine liturgies and rip
their breasts, that rip their braws off

787
01:18:45,640 --> 01:18:48,640
as an expression of freedom. Remember
and remember when they had a cut off

788
01:18:48,680 --> 01:18:55,800
head. They had Kirol's head,
Putin's head and Trump's head. Remember this,

789
01:18:55,960 --> 01:18:58,359
I used it. I used it
as a thumbnail one of my articles

790
01:18:58,439 --> 01:19:05,920
like ten years ago, when I
about feminism. Let's see head of Kirol.

791
01:19:09,319 --> 01:19:18,760
It was so stupid too. It
was like now I can't now it

792
01:19:18,760 --> 01:19:26,439
doesn't come up. But yes,
I mean, for those that don't know,

793
01:19:26,560 --> 01:19:33,000
Pussy Riot is another example of CIA
soft power with this idiotic feminist punk

794
01:19:33,039 --> 01:19:38,279
band. I mean, it's just
completely stupid, mindless idiocy, but this

795
01:19:38,359 --> 01:19:41,880
is what works, and so this
is what they do. She's got an

796
01:19:41,880 --> 01:19:45,800
inverted cross on her head, they're
wearing bondage gear. I mean, this

797
01:19:45,920 --> 01:19:50,319
is just this think of the idiot
libertarian guy tonight. I don't give a

798
01:19:50,319 --> 01:19:54,720
shit about degenerously. Yeah, because
it's a form of soft power, and

799
01:19:54,760 --> 01:19:57,800
you're not even smart enough to realize
that. Here. Look here they are

800
01:19:57,840 --> 01:20:06,520
in church engaging in blasphemous agit prop. So this is what the West promotes.

801
01:20:06,640 --> 01:20:11,439
Are here. So they do this
stuff to agitate and then if Russia

802
01:20:11,560 --> 01:20:19,399
acts to respond, they cry out
as you persecute them. Well, okay,

803
01:20:19,920 --> 01:20:24,680
we realized that it was out of
the question. Force is in opposition

804
01:20:24,760 --> 01:20:27,520
to you. So you're saying,
the CIA is trying to overthrow your government

805
01:20:28,359 --> 01:20:31,319
emails if you do. Of course, they meant in that particular case,

806
01:20:31,359 --> 01:20:38,680
the separatists, the terrorists who fought
with us in the Caucasus. That's who

807
01:20:38,760 --> 01:20:45,560
they call the opposition. This is
the second point. The third moment is

808
01:20:45,600 --> 01:20:50,279
a very important one, is the
moment when the US missile defense system was

809
01:20:50,319 --> 01:20:58,000
created the beginning, and we persuaded
for a long time not to do it

810
01:20:58,159 --> 01:21:08,000
in the United States. Moreover,
after it was invited by Bush Junior's father,

811
01:21:08,279 --> 01:21:13,159
Bush Senior, to visit his place
on the Ocean, I had a

812
01:21:13,279 --> 01:21:18,359
very serious conversation with President Bush and
his team. I proposed that the United

813
01:21:18,359 --> 01:21:24,880
States, Russia, and Europe jointly
create a missile defense system that we believe,

814
01:21:25,840 --> 01:21:30,920
if created unilaterally, threatens our security. Despite the fact that the United

815
01:21:30,960 --> 01:21:36,159
States officially said that it was being
created against missile threats from Iran that was

816
01:21:36,199 --> 01:21:43,000
the justification for the deployment of the
missile defense system. I suggested working together

817
01:21:43,359 --> 01:21:46,960
Russia, the United States, and
Europe. They said it was very interesting.

818
01:21:47,479 --> 01:21:53,720
They asked me, are you serious? I said, absolutely, Ask

819
01:21:53,760 --> 01:22:00,479
what year was this? I don't
remember. I hope you understand too that.

820
01:22:01,560 --> 01:22:05,720
I mean, it's not just the
idiocy and the you know, low

821
01:22:05,760 --> 01:22:14,319
tier degeneracy of pussy right, Pussy
Riot represents radical Western feminism. And that's

822
01:22:14,359 --> 01:22:19,159
why they're pushed in Russia is because
it's not just so that they can claim

823
01:22:19,159 --> 01:22:24,119
that they're persecuted by Putin. It's
to push all of the degeneracy that is

824
01:22:24,159 --> 01:22:29,800
now taking over the West, the
very stuff that our libertarian friend tonight said

825
01:22:29,840 --> 01:22:31,800
doesn't exist. There's no other thing
as that. By the way, software

826
01:22:31,840 --> 01:22:36,800
also played heavily into the Olympics.
Remember all that the Sochi drama, the

827
01:22:36,800 --> 01:22:42,439
Olympics, and oh that was going
to be in Russia and the Putin failed

828
01:22:42,520 --> 01:22:45,199
and they're too poor in Russia to
have all this silly stuff they were putting

829
01:22:45,199 --> 01:22:51,680
out. Remember that that's all part
of this sy ops and soft power.

830
01:22:55,680 --> 01:23:03,600
Where is I guarantee See Global Research
probably has a good article on Pussy Riot.

831
01:23:04,520 --> 01:23:14,560
They protested socio Olympics. This stuff
they protest just so obviously engineered in

832
01:23:14,640 --> 01:23:19,840
Vegas. So it's it's I mean, cannot people not see that this stuff

833
01:23:19,960 --> 01:23:25,039
is I guess not find out on
the internet. When I was in the

834
01:23:25,159 --> 01:23:29,920
USA at the invitation of a Bush
senior, it is even easier to learn

835
01:23:29,920 --> 01:23:34,199
from someone I'm going to tell you
about. I was still it was very

836
01:23:34,199 --> 01:23:39,720
interesting. I said, just imagine, if we could tackle such a global

837
01:23:39,760 --> 01:23:45,479
strategic security challenge together, the world
will change. Will probably have disputes,

838
01:23:45,680 --> 01:23:51,119
probably economic and even political ones,
but we could drastically change the situation in

839
01:23:51,159 --> 01:23:55,520
the world. Yeah, thank you, DC, exactly. You know,

840
01:23:55,560 --> 01:24:00,359
we've done a lot of talks and
lectures on color revolutions and that strategy for

841
01:24:00,720 --> 01:24:04,279
ten years. I mean I learned
about color revolutions maybe more than ten years

842
01:24:04,319 --> 01:24:09,720
ago, and we've talked about it, going back to I mean boiler Room,

843
01:24:09,760 --> 01:24:14,000
we talked about color revolutions some of
the first interviews I did on twenty

844
01:24:14,000 --> 01:24:17,239
first interview Whire back in twenty fourteen, I talked about color revolutions. You

845
01:24:17,279 --> 01:24:23,840
know, that's that's a big part
of flam Ingdall's High Level Analysis books,

846
01:24:23,880 --> 01:24:27,520
which everybody should read. That's a
great starting point for this kind of material.

847
01:24:28,600 --> 01:24:30,840
You know, I read all that
stuff ten fifteen years ago, so

848
01:24:32,840 --> 01:24:36,279
from my mindset. Yeah, it's
like, obviously, you know, pussy

849
01:24:36,399 --> 01:24:42,880
right is a state department, CIA, soft power, agit prop, color

850
01:24:42,920 --> 01:24:46,399
revolution, a bunch of degenerasy nonsense. But you know again, I mean,

851
01:24:46,399 --> 01:24:50,239
this is like, how many people
in the West know this? Two

852
01:24:50,279 --> 01:24:57,279
percent? Still, it's crazy,
Yes, and asks, are you serious?

853
01:24:57,479 --> 01:25:00,359
I said, of course, we
need to think about at it.

854
01:25:00,520 --> 01:25:04,880
I'm so, I said, go
ahead please. Then Secretary of Defense Gates,

855
01:25:05,319 --> 01:25:10,640
former director of c i A,
and Secretary of State Rice came in

856
01:25:10,680 --> 01:25:14,800
here in this cabinet, right here, at this stable. They sat on

857
01:25:14,960 --> 01:25:19,119
this table me, the foreign minister, the Russian defense minister on that side.

858
01:25:20,199 --> 01:25:25,039
They said to me, yes,
we have thought about it. We

859
01:25:25,159 --> 01:25:30,199
agree, I said, thank god, great, but with some exceptions.

860
01:25:30,680 --> 01:25:36,880
So twice you've described US presidents making
decisions and then being undercut by their agency

861
01:25:36,960 --> 01:25:42,720
heads. So it sounds like you're
describing a system that's not run by the

862
01:25:42,720 --> 01:25:53,600
people who are elected in your telling. That's right, that's right. Yeah,

863
01:25:53,720 --> 01:26:00,840
it's it's really important to have a
lot of this stuff archives printed out

864
01:26:00,880 --> 01:26:03,720
if you can. I mean,
because a lot of this stuff, I

865
01:26:03,760 --> 01:26:10,239
mean, one day Global Research won't
be there anymore. Right. Amnesty International

866
01:26:10,319 --> 01:26:14,560
is US State Department propagan Amnesty run
by US State Department represents funded by convicted

867
01:26:14,680 --> 01:26:19,159
financial criminals, threatening human rights and
who's their frontispiece, Pussy Riot, Free

868
01:26:19,159 --> 01:26:25,239
Pussy Riot. This was a big
operation and propaganda push back. When was

869
01:26:25,279 --> 01:26:31,239
this? This was back in twenty
twelve, So shout out to Tony Cardalucci,

870
01:26:31,239 --> 01:26:34,039
who of course had many many articles
put up on info Wars over the

871
01:26:34,079 --> 01:26:41,159
years. This going, this is
twelve years ago, and they were at

872
01:26:41,199 --> 01:26:45,600
that time pushing the State Department's goal
of undermining Russian government via its troop of

873
01:26:45,720 --> 01:26:53,680
US funded opposition activists, including Pussy
Riot. And it goes on to talk

874
01:26:53,720 --> 01:26:58,399
about yeah, by the way,
yeah shocker right, like Amnesty International,

875
01:26:58,560 --> 01:27:01,439
these are intelligence fronts. Who does
know this? USA? Right? Come

876
01:27:01,479 --> 01:27:06,319
on, we got to wise up, boys and girls. And let's say

877
01:27:06,319 --> 01:27:15,119
there was another article by Global Research
Pussy Right con game the controversy behind the

878
01:27:15,119 --> 01:27:17,720
punk rock group Pussy Riot and the
issue of freedom of expression and Russia race

879
01:27:17,760 --> 01:27:24,079
concerns for activists. Isn't this interesting
because if you notice Pussy Riot and what

880
01:27:24,159 --> 01:27:32,279
it represents and what it's pushing is
exactly exactly identical to Alexander Colintie and what

881
01:27:32,399 --> 01:27:40,840
she pushed in the Bolshreek Revolution in
even mainline documentaries. We covered sex in

882
01:27:40,880 --> 01:27:48,640
the USSR. The documentary and within
the it's a normy documentary and it tells

883
01:27:48,640 --> 01:27:55,680
you everything that conspiracy have said here
it is right here. This is a

884
01:27:55,840 --> 01:28:01,279
normy mainline BBC documentary. And what's
great about it is that when they go

885
01:28:01,359 --> 01:28:08,319
into Alexander Colintai and all of her
degeneracy, they actually say, well,

886
01:28:08,399 --> 01:28:13,520
it's all of her feminism and free
love is great. It was the men

887
01:28:13,640 --> 01:28:18,600
that ruined her movement, the patriarch. I'm not joking. The soy men

888
01:28:18,640 --> 01:28:28,560
that made this documentary literally say that
the patriarchy messed up her women's empowerment.

889
01:28:29,800 --> 01:28:33,079
Free love, polycule, lifestyle,
literal. She was a literal polycule liver

890
01:28:33,359 --> 01:28:45,000
right lover, liver lover or liver
so bullshriek Revolution, cultural revolution, color

891
01:28:45,039 --> 01:28:56,560
revolution pushed via this soft power and
agile prop garbage is identical to what was

892
01:28:56,600 --> 01:29:03,000
pushed by the Bolsheviks and twenty or
She'd Me in nineteen seventeen and afterwards.

893
01:29:04,600 --> 01:29:10,920
In nineteen eighteen, after Dibenka was
taken prisoner by the Germans, she forced

894
01:29:11,000 --> 01:29:16,600
Lenin to exchange him for captive German
generals. She would proudly announce the meetings

895
01:29:16,680 --> 01:29:20,880
that Debenko was her lover and that
they didn't need to be married in order

896
01:29:20,920 --> 01:29:28,560
to love one another. And she
actually got played. She thought she was

897
01:29:28,600 --> 01:29:31,680
going to push total free, open
love and almost destroyed Russian society. Back

898
01:29:31,720 --> 01:29:35,479
at the time, he had a
whole generation raised by single moms, and

899
01:29:35,640 --> 01:29:41,319
that ended up being criminals. That
was all by design. It was the

900
01:29:41,399 --> 01:29:47,399
Bolshevik plan, and it was so
bad that Stalin had to step up and

901
01:29:47,479 --> 01:29:56,359
curb the degenerous. This is why
the Soviet Party enacted anti orgy gay crazy

902
01:29:56,399 --> 01:29:59,920
stuff laws. Right, So the
party line became, you can't be this

903
01:30:00,119 --> 01:30:05,800
super degenerate because it just destroys the
entire society. Well, guess what when

904
01:30:05,880 --> 01:30:15,079
pushy riot is pushed in Russia and
trans skittles cut your pp off is pushed

905
01:30:15,079 --> 01:30:25,319
in Russia, that's toxic cultural psychological
warfare. Duh. And they just told

906
01:30:25,439 --> 01:30:29,520
us to get lost. I'm not
going to tell you the details because I

907
01:30:29,560 --> 01:30:33,960
think it's incorrect. After all,
it was confidential conversation. But our proposal

908
01:30:34,079 --> 01:30:39,439
was declined. That's a fact.
It was right then when I said,

909
01:30:40,039 --> 01:30:44,319
look, but then we will be
forced to take countermeasures. We will create

910
01:30:44,359 --> 01:30:48,840
such strike systems that will certainly overcome
missile defense systems. The answer was,

911
01:30:49,720 --> 01:30:55,199
we're not doing this against you,
and you do what you want, assuming

912
01:30:55,239 --> 01:30:59,520
that it is not against us,
not against the United States. I said,

913
01:30:59,560 --> 01:31:02,600
okay, very well, that's the
way it went. And we created

914
01:31:02,640 --> 01:31:08,920
hypersonic systems with intercontinental range, and
we continue to develop them. We are

915
01:31:08,960 --> 01:31:14,760
now of everyone, the United States
and the other countries in terms of the

916
01:31:14,800 --> 01:31:19,840
development of hypersonic strike systems, and
we are improving them every day. But

917
01:31:19,920 --> 01:31:24,840
it wasn't us. We proposed to
go the other way, and we were

918
01:31:24,840 --> 01:31:30,039
pushed back. Now about NATO's expansion
to the east. Well, we were

919
01:31:30,119 --> 01:31:33,239
promised, no NATO to the east, not an inch to the east,

920
01:31:33,239 --> 01:31:38,680
as we were told. And then
what they said, well, it's not

921
01:31:38,840 --> 01:31:45,800
enshrined on paper, so we'll expand. So there were five waves of expansion,

922
01:31:45,159 --> 01:31:49,680
the Baltic States, the whole of
Eastern Europe and so on. And

923
01:31:49,720 --> 01:31:54,000
now I come to the main thing. They have come to the Ukraine.

924
01:31:54,119 --> 01:31:58,319
Ultimately, in two thousand and eight, at the summit in Bucharest, they

925
01:31:58,359 --> 01:32:03,319
declared that the doors for Ukraine and
Georgia to join NATO. Were open now

926
01:32:03,359 --> 01:32:09,520
about how decisions are made there.
Germany, France seem to be against it,

927
01:32:09,600 --> 01:32:13,520
as well as some other European countries. But then, as it turned

928
01:32:13,560 --> 01:32:17,479
out later President Bush and he's such
a tough guy, a tough politician.

929
01:32:17,880 --> 01:32:23,520
As I was told later, he
exerted pressure on us and we had to

930
01:32:23,560 --> 01:32:29,640
agree. It's ridiculous. It's like
kindergarten. Where are the guarantees? What

931
01:32:29,760 --> 01:32:32,880
kindergarten is this? What kind of
people are these? Who are they?

932
01:32:38,079 --> 01:32:43,239
Thank you to Kyle Mirraball for that
five dollars super chat. Appreciate that much.

933
01:32:43,880 --> 01:32:45,319
Much love to you, Kyle.
Now, remember, guys, if

934
01:32:45,359 --> 01:32:49,079
you want to, you can also
support the stream here on Rockmen as well

935
01:32:49,119 --> 01:32:53,279
by leaving a tip or a comment. If you put your tip with a

936
01:32:53,359 --> 01:32:58,720
comment, I'll read your comment on
air. They were pressed, they agreed,

937
01:32:59,640 --> 01:33:02,520
and they say Ukraine won't be in
the NATO. You know, I

938
01:33:02,640 --> 01:33:06,439
say, I don't know. I
know you agreed in two thousand and eight.

939
01:33:08,079 --> 01:33:11,840
Why won't you agree in the future, Well, they pressed us.

940
01:33:11,880 --> 01:33:15,439
Then I say, why won't they
press you tomorrow and you'll agree again?

941
01:33:16,920 --> 01:33:21,439
Well, it's nonsensical. Who's there
to talk to? I just don't understand.

942
01:33:23,279 --> 01:33:28,359
We're ready to talk, but with
whom where are the guarantees? None?

943
01:33:29,399 --> 01:33:32,920
So they started to develop the territory
of Ukraine. Whatever is there.

944
01:33:33,119 --> 01:33:38,479
I have told you the background,
how this territory developed, what kind of

945
01:33:38,479 --> 01:33:43,920
relations they were with Russia. Every
second or third person there has always had

946
01:33:43,960 --> 01:33:48,680
some ties with Russia. And during
the elections in already independent sovereign Ukraine,

947
01:33:48,960 --> 01:33:54,720
which gained its independence as a result
of the declaration of independence. And by

948
01:33:54,760 --> 01:33:58,760
the way, it says that Ukraine
is a neutral state, and in two

949
01:33:58,760 --> 01:34:02,479
thousand and eight suddenly the doors or
gates to NATO were open to it.

950
01:34:03,039 --> 01:34:09,079
Oh, come on, this is
not how we agreed. Now, all

951
01:34:09,159 --> 01:34:14,680
the presidents that have come to power
in Ukraine, they relied on electorate with

952
01:34:14,720 --> 01:34:19,520
the good attitude to Russia in one
way or the other. This is the

953
01:34:19,560 --> 01:34:25,920
southeast of Ukraine. This is a
large number of people, and it was

954
01:34:26,079 --> 01:34:31,359
very difficult to persuade this electorate which
had a positive attitude towards Russia. Victori

955
01:34:31,399 --> 01:34:36,560
Yanukovich came to power, and how
the first time he won up the president

956
01:34:36,640 --> 01:34:42,079
Kuchma. They organized the third round, which is not provided for in the

957
01:34:42,159 --> 01:34:47,399
Constitution of Ukraine. This to now, this is going back to when they

958
01:34:47,439 --> 01:34:51,399
were really pushing the Orange Revolution,
and this was all the Soros money.

959
01:34:51,520 --> 01:34:57,119
So you have to keep in mind
too that this gets really complicated from a

960
01:34:57,159 --> 01:35:02,000
powerplay perspective because in the nineteen eighties, and I think it was or excuse

961
01:35:02,039 --> 01:35:08,720
me, early nineties, when they
really the model of color revolution is eighties

962
01:35:08,800 --> 01:35:15,880
Gene Sharp, but the implementation of
this in Ukraine is nineties Orange Revolution with

963
01:35:15,000 --> 01:35:21,159
that princess, you know, Princess
Leah Chick with the bun weird bun hair.

964
01:35:21,199 --> 01:35:31,439
But that is the period when already
Soros was putting money into Orange Revolution,

965
01:35:32,159 --> 01:35:36,640
and that was CIA. So you
got to understand that Soros's stuff was

966
01:35:36,720 --> 01:35:45,159
operating as a CIA operation because in
the nineteen eighties what happened with former CIA

967
01:35:45,279 --> 01:35:53,079
operations now transitioned over into cut out
think tank white paper INNGO, things like

968
01:35:53,079 --> 01:35:58,319
the Soros Foundation, right so,
Open Society Institute, National downlod for Democracy.

969
01:35:58,359 --> 01:36:01,359
They began to do the things that
previously in the Cold War the CIA

970
01:36:01,439 --> 01:36:06,520
did, and they found this to
be a much more useful cutout with these

971
01:36:06,560 --> 01:36:12,479
fake you know, humanitarian organizations as
just CIA fronts. That's how it works,

972
01:36:12,960 --> 01:36:18,000
So yeah, thank you. Timoshenko
is Princess leahchik So this is the

973
01:36:18,319 --> 01:36:26,079
period before her. If I recall, just imagine someone in the United States

974
01:36:26,119 --> 01:36:32,640
wouldn't like the outcome in twenty fourteen
before that, No, this was before

975
01:36:32,680 --> 01:36:39,680
that. After President Kuchma Victorian Ukovic
won the elections. However, his opponents

976
01:36:39,680 --> 01:36:44,319
did not recognize that victory. The
US supported the opposition, and the third

977
01:36:44,439 --> 01:36:49,399
round was scheduled. What is this? This is a cup the US.

978
01:36:51,720 --> 01:36:57,199
So maybe I'm wrong. So Yanikovich, excuse me, he's right prior to

979
01:36:57,239 --> 01:37:01,680
the coup, right, twenty this
is twenty ten, and then he's the

980
01:37:01,680 --> 01:37:05,279
president during the que the coup.
Excuse me? So, uh, Timoshinko

981
01:37:05,399 --> 01:37:11,640
is prior to that, I should
say, and the winner of the third

982
01:37:11,760 --> 01:37:16,119
round came to power. Imagine if
in the US something was not to someone's

983
01:37:16,199 --> 01:37:20,840
liking and the third round of election, which the US Constitution does not provide

984
01:37:20,880 --> 01:37:27,000
for, was organized. Nonetheless,
it was done in Ukraine. See,

985
01:37:27,079 --> 01:37:30,279
I mean, like people in America, they don't know who the vice president

986
01:37:30,399 --> 01:37:34,039
is. Remember this when they were
asking people who and who the vice I

987
01:37:34,079 --> 01:37:42,039
mean, so like I mean,
I I got Princess Lea and Yanikovich backwards.

988
01:37:42,119 --> 01:37:46,039
Right. So even I forget this
stuff at times because I literally haven't

989
01:37:46,039 --> 01:37:55,039
thought about Victor Yani Yani Yannik Kobich
in probably five or six years, even

990
01:37:55,079 --> 01:37:58,760
though yeah, that's he was the
president when my don Ku thing kicked off.

991
01:37:58,840 --> 01:38:03,119
So so what the reason that's relevant
is that typically what happens with these

992
01:38:03,199 --> 01:38:10,920
presidents is that in these other countries
is that you have Western intelligence and people

993
01:38:10,960 --> 01:38:15,359
trying to put their men in,
right, so you have a person who

994
01:38:15,479 --> 01:38:18,720
might be more inclined to side with
Russia. Then they get targeted by the

995
01:38:18,760 --> 01:38:23,279
CIA and there's a coup, right, and then you get the puppet put

996
01:38:23,279 --> 01:38:26,520
in. Who's the CIA puppet?
Right, So that's kind of what happens

997
01:38:26,520 --> 01:38:30,359
in these these types of countries,
Soviet satellite countries, Ukraine, et cetera.

998
01:38:31,560 --> 01:38:36,079
Viktor Yushchenko, who was considered the
pro Western politician, came to power.

999
01:38:39,319 --> 01:38:42,720
Fine, we have built relations,
that's what he means by pro Western.

1000
01:38:42,800 --> 01:38:47,640
He came to Moscow with visits,
We visited Kiya, I visited Sue,

1001
01:38:48,720 --> 01:38:53,560
We met in an informal setting.
If he's pro Western, so bee

1002
01:38:53,600 --> 01:38:58,560
it. It's fine. Let people
do their job. The situation should have

1003
01:38:58,600 --> 01:39:03,039
developed inside independent Ukraine itself. As
a result of Kuchma's leadership, things got

1004
01:39:03,119 --> 01:39:09,800
worse and Victorian Ukovich came to power. After all, maybe he wasn't the

1005
01:39:09,840 --> 01:39:14,039
best president and politician. I don't
know. I don't want to give assessments.

1006
01:39:14,640 --> 01:39:20,800
However, the issue of the association
with the EU came up. We

1007
01:39:20,880 --> 01:39:26,520
have always been leaning to this suit
yourself, but when we read through the

1008
01:39:26,600 --> 01:39:30,479
threaty of association, it turned out
to be a problem for us since we

1009
01:39:30,560 --> 01:39:33,960
had the free trade zone and open
customs borders with Ukraine, which under this

1010
01:39:34,079 --> 01:39:39,600
association had to open its borders for
Europe, which could have led to flooding

1011
01:39:39,600 --> 01:39:45,880
over our market. We said,
no, this is not going to work.

1012
01:39:46,039 --> 01:39:50,159
We shall close our borders with Ukraine, then the customs borders that is

1013
01:39:51,039 --> 01:39:56,000
Yanukovich started to calculate how much Ukraine
was going to gain, how much to

1014
01:39:56,079 --> 01:40:00,359
lose, and said to his European
partners, I need more sign the thing.

1015
01:40:00,439 --> 01:40:04,560
Before signing the moment, he said
that the opposition begans to take destructive

1016
01:40:04,640 --> 01:40:10,640
steps which were supported by the West. It all came down to Maidan and

1017
01:40:10,680 --> 01:40:15,399
a coup in Ukraine. So he
did more trade with Russia than with the

1018
01:40:15,640 --> 01:40:23,119
Ukraine did. Of course, it's
not even the matter of trade volume,

1019
01:40:23,239 --> 01:40:27,880
although for the most part it is. It is the matter of cooperation size,

1020
01:40:28,039 --> 01:40:32,479
which the entire Ukrainian economy was based
on. The cooperation size between the

1021
01:40:32,600 --> 01:40:39,119
enterprises were very close since the times
of the Soviet Union. One enterprise there

1022
01:40:39,239 --> 01:40:43,920
used to produce components to be assembled
both in Russia and Ukraine, and vice

1023
01:40:44,039 --> 01:40:49,000
versa. They used to be very
close ties. A coup the town was

1024
01:40:49,039 --> 01:40:54,560
committed. Although I shall not delve
into details now, as I find doing

1025
01:40:54,600 --> 01:40:59,880
it inappropriate. The U S toldest
calm, yourn akovag down, and we

1026
01:41:00,079 --> 01:41:04,119
will come. The opposition led the
situation unfold in the scenario of a political

1027
01:41:04,159 --> 01:41:09,279
settlement, we said, all right, agreed, let's do it this way,

1028
01:41:10,359 --> 01:41:15,319
as the Americans requested. Yankovic did
use neither the armed forces nor the

1029
01:41:15,359 --> 01:41:20,119
police. Yet the armed opposition committed
a coup in Kiev. What is that

1030
01:41:20,239 --> 01:41:25,640
supposed to mean? Who do you
think you are? I wanted to ask,

1031
01:41:25,960 --> 01:41:34,439
then us leadership with the backing of
whom, with the backing of c

1032
01:41:34,560 --> 01:41:39,279
I A, of course, the
organization you wanted to join back in the

1033
01:41:39,359 --> 01:41:44,000
day, understand exactly. Wow,
that's interesting. This is anes and now

1034
01:41:44,000 --> 01:41:48,239
it's getting interesting to Obviously, Tucker
knew that it would be with the back

1035
01:41:48,319 --> 01:41:51,319
end of the CIA. That's how
the coup in the Ukraine happened, of

1036
01:41:51,359 --> 01:41:56,079
course, And this is everybody knows
this, hopefully who has an i Q

1037
01:41:56,239 --> 01:42:02,479
above room temperature. Interesting that talk
then presses that to get that out of

1038
01:42:03,359 --> 01:42:06,640
Putin to say that, well,
of course the CA is who organized the

1039
01:42:06,680 --> 01:42:13,680
coup, and then Putin returns with
a kind of a sick burn in return,

1040
01:42:14,000 --> 01:42:16,600
Yes, I remember that you also
wanted to be in the CIA when

1041
01:42:16,600 --> 01:42:19,520
you were younger, which Tucker's I
mean, it's not like a secret.

1042
01:42:19,520 --> 01:42:24,840
I mean, Tucker's talked about that
publicly in the past. But it's just

1043
01:42:24,880 --> 01:42:30,600
interesting that Putin then kind of use
that jab or touchet moment. I guess

1044
01:42:30,600 --> 01:42:32,960
you could say in the midst of
this discussion. I don't think they're actually

1045
01:42:33,000 --> 01:42:40,640
heated. I think this is just
an intelligent person's, you know, tip

1046
01:42:40,720 --> 01:42:45,279
for tat type type of conversation.
We should thank god they've going to let

1047
01:42:45,319 --> 01:42:49,239
you in, although it is a
serious organization. Uh yeah, that was

1048
01:42:49,279 --> 01:42:55,840
actually also a pretty u chad edgy
comment there. We should be glad the

1049
01:42:55,880 --> 01:43:00,399
CIA didn't let you. That's almost
a nag. It's like Putin was aging

1050
01:43:00,640 --> 01:43:02,720
Tucker. That was kind of funny. I mean, I think nowadays Tucker

1051
01:43:02,720 --> 01:43:06,199
doesn't care about whether he was going
to be in the CIA, because probably

1052
01:43:06,199 --> 01:43:09,319
everybody at some point thought, oh, yeah, I want to be like

1053
01:43:09,399 --> 01:43:13,920
James Bond and Jack Ryan or whatever, and then you realize, oh no,

1054
01:43:14,039 --> 01:43:17,319
there's a bunch of like Jeffrey Epstein
creeps here. I don't I don't

1055
01:43:17,359 --> 01:43:21,159
want to be involved in that.
That's that's not cool. So that was

1056
01:43:21,239 --> 01:43:27,039
kind of a funny job from Putin. There was like a Chad nag from

1057
01:43:27,039 --> 01:43:30,960
Putin there. I understand my former
vis a V in the sense that I

1058
01:43:31,119 --> 01:43:36,840
served in the first Nain Directorate.
So Union's intelligence service they have always been

1059
01:43:36,880 --> 01:43:45,159
our opponents. A job is a
job. Technically, they did everything right.

1060
01:43:45,399 --> 01:43:49,720
They achieved their goal of changing the
government. However, from political standpoint,

1061
01:43:50,000 --> 01:43:56,720
it was a colossal mistake. Surely
it was political leadership's miscalculation. They

1062
01:43:56,720 --> 01:44:03,039
should have seen what it would evolve
into. So in two thousand and eight

1063
01:44:03,159 --> 01:44:09,279
the doors of NATO were opened for
Ukraine. In twenty fourteen there was a

1064
01:44:09,319 --> 01:44:13,439
coup. They started persecuting those who
did not accept the coup, and it

1065
01:44:13,520 --> 01:44:16,960
was indeed the coup. They created
a threat to Crimea which we had to

1066
01:44:17,039 --> 01:44:23,439
take under our protection. They launched
the war in Donbas in twenty fourteen with

1067
01:44:23,520 --> 01:44:29,159
the use of aircraft and artillery against
civilians. This is when it all started.

1068
01:44:30,039 --> 01:44:35,000
There's a video of aircraft attacking Donuts
from above. They launched a large

1069
01:44:35,039 --> 01:44:41,640
scale military operation, then another one
when they failed, they started to prepare

1070
01:44:41,720 --> 01:44:46,239
the next door. All this against
the background of military development of this territory

1071
01:44:46,479 --> 01:44:56,880
and opening of NATO's doors. How
could we not express concern over what was

1072
01:44:56,920 --> 01:45:01,239
happening from our side? This would
have been a helpable negligence, That's what

1073
01:45:01,279 --> 01:45:08,760
it would have been. Yeah,
and this is important because this rebuts the

1074
01:45:08,840 --> 01:45:15,119
classic Western take that you know,
Russia is the aggressor in all these moves.

1075
01:45:15,439 --> 01:45:19,359
No, NATO is the aggressor,
which is again against what NATO was

1076
01:45:19,359 --> 01:45:26,159
supposed to be a defensive operation and
became offensive, violating its original idea,

1077
01:45:26,319 --> 01:45:30,399
charter or whatever. So now it's
this sort of and it's not just militarily,

1078
01:45:30,439 --> 01:45:34,079
it's also again toxic culture. I'm
sure he's gonna mention toxic culture eventually

1079
01:45:34,079 --> 01:45:39,479
as well. Because he's just giving
the history of how this kicked off in

1080
01:45:39,560 --> 01:45:45,359
the Ukraine in twenty fourteen. But
this is a great point because it's making

1081
01:45:45,399 --> 01:45:49,720
the point that Russia is not the
aggressor, which is what Western media universally

1082
01:45:49,880 --> 01:45:56,199
says. It's just that the US
political leadership pushed us to the line we

1083
01:45:56,199 --> 01:46:04,239
could not cross because doing so could
have ruined the Russia's Besides, we could

1084
01:46:04,319 --> 01:46:08,960
not leave our brothers in faith,
in fact, a part of Russian people

1085
01:46:09,199 --> 01:46:13,600
in the face of this war machine. What was the so but that was

1086
01:46:13,680 --> 01:46:17,159
eight years before the current conflict started. So what was the trigger for you?

1087
01:46:17,239 --> 01:46:28,119
What was the moment where you decided
you had to do this? Is

1088
01:46:28,199 --> 01:46:32,199
Naichan. Initially it was the coup
in Ukraine that provoked the conflict. By

1089
01:46:32,239 --> 01:46:38,680
the way, back then, the
representatives of three European countries Germany, Poland

1090
01:46:38,720 --> 01:46:44,239
and France run but they were the
guaranteurs of the signed agreement between the government

1091
01:46:44,279 --> 01:46:50,960
of Yanukovich and the opposition. They
signed it as guaranteurs despite that the opposition

1092
01:46:51,079 --> 01:46:56,800
committed a coup, and all these
countries pretended that they didn't remember that they

1093
01:46:56,840 --> 01:47:01,039
were guaranteurs of the peaceful settlement.
They just threw it in the stow right

1094
01:47:01,079 --> 01:47:06,239
away, and nobody recalls that.
I don't know if the US know anything

1095
01:47:06,279 --> 01:47:13,800
about the agreement between the opposition and
the authorities and its three guaranteurs, who,

1096
01:47:13,920 --> 01:47:17,680
instead of bringing this whole situation back
in the political field, supported the

1097
01:47:17,720 --> 01:47:25,439
coup although it was meaningless, believe
me, because President Yanukovich agreed to all

1098
01:47:25,520 --> 01:47:29,840
conditions. He was ready to hold
an early election which he had no chance

1099
01:47:29,840 --> 01:47:34,520
of winning. Frankly speaking, everyone
knew that then the coup. Why the

1100
01:47:34,600 --> 01:47:42,640
victims, Why threatening crimea while launching
an operation in Dunbas. This I do

1101
01:47:42,680 --> 01:47:48,760
not understand. That is exactly what
the miscalculation is. CIA did its job

1102
01:47:48,800 --> 01:47:55,800
to complete the coup, I think
one of the Deputy Secretaries of States said

1103
01:47:56,039 --> 01:48:00,359
that it cost a large sum of
money, almost five billion, But the

1104
01:48:00,359 --> 01:48:04,920
political mistake was colossal. Why would
they have to do that? All this

1105
01:48:05,039 --> 01:48:09,319
could have been done legally. This
is a blast from the past. This

1106
01:48:09,479 --> 01:48:15,319
is man, It's is just flooding
my mind with you know, twenty fourteen,

1107
01:48:15,439 --> 01:48:19,520
twenty fifteen, twenty sixteen, all
of those episodes of twenty first century

1108
01:48:19,560 --> 01:48:25,680
Wire, Sunday Wire, all those
episodes of Boiler Room, all those Tim

1109
01:48:25,760 --> 01:48:30,680
Kelly podcasts where I went into hours
and hours of color revolution history. I

1110
01:48:30,680 --> 01:48:33,920
mean, it's all just kind of
flooding back into my mind as we get

1111
01:48:33,960 --> 01:48:41,239
this basically history lecture. And I
hope everybody in the audience appreciates this because

1112
01:48:41,560 --> 01:48:47,359
it jives very well with what we've
covered in Sutton, in Brazinski, Quigly,

1113
01:48:48,359 --> 01:48:51,479
you know, all of these great
geopolitical texts that we've been covering that

1114
01:48:51,560 --> 01:49:01,800
this is definitely and a monumental epical
inner you for for media purposes here to

1115
01:49:02,520 --> 01:49:05,880
kind of back up a lot of
what we've talked about here. Why is

1116
01:49:05,960 --> 01:49:10,600
this Jackson Hinkle dude on Elijah Schaeffer's
stream. That's just I mean, this

1117
01:49:10,640 --> 01:49:15,199
guy, that guy is such a
obvious, like phony dude talking about Jackson

1118
01:49:15,239 --> 01:49:18,960
Hinkel. That's like, that's so
ridiculous. But I'm not dissing Elijah Shaeffer.

1119
01:49:19,000 --> 01:49:23,600
We had a great conversation when he
had me on his podcast, uh

1120
01:49:24,279 --> 01:49:28,039
whenever that was. But I just
I don't, really, I can't fathom

1121
01:49:28,039 --> 01:49:32,760
why everybody promotes and thinks that this
Hinkle dude is legit and solid when he's

1122
01:49:32,800 --> 01:49:39,439
like constantly pushing communism it's just so
obviously ridiculous, Like, for how long

1123
01:49:39,520 --> 01:49:43,880
was he saying, Oh, I'm
Orthodox and I push materialism because materialism and

1124
01:49:43,920 --> 01:49:49,199
communism are compatible with Orthodox Christianity.
And then I think Fuentes asked him or

1125
01:49:49,279 --> 01:49:56,479
somebody asked him. No, it
was Conrad asked him from world to news,

1126
01:49:56,520 --> 01:50:00,039
Now, what orthodox people have you
talk to? And he says,

1127
01:50:00,199 --> 01:50:05,319
I've talked to all the elders,
all the hush yeah, right, sure,

1128
01:50:05,720 --> 01:50:12,600
out victims, without military action,
without losing CRIMEA. We would have

1129
01:50:12,640 --> 01:50:16,079
never considered to even lift a finger
if it hadn't been for the bloody developments

1130
01:50:16,079 --> 01:50:23,399
on my dad. Because we agreed
with the fact that after the collapse of

1131
01:50:23,439 --> 01:50:28,520
the Soviet Union, our borders should
be along the borders of former Union's republics.

1132
01:50:29,000 --> 01:50:32,199
We agreed to that, but we
never agreed to NATO's expansion. And

1133
01:50:32,520 --> 01:50:41,199
moreover, we never agreed that Ukraine
would be in NATO bus and we did

1134
01:50:41,239 --> 01:50:45,000
not agree to NATO basis there without
any discussion with us. For decades,

1135
01:50:45,039 --> 01:50:53,640
we kept asking, don't do this, don't do that, And what triggered

1136
01:50:53,640 --> 01:50:59,119
the latest demands. Firstly, the
current Ukrainian leadership declared that it would not

1137
01:50:59,279 --> 01:51:02,560
implement Themvinsk Agreements, which had been
signed, as you know, after the

1138
01:51:02,600 --> 01:51:08,880
events of twenty fourteen in Minsk where
the plan of peaceful settlement in Donbas was

1139
01:51:08,920 --> 01:51:14,960
set forth. But no, the
current Ukrainian leadership, foreign minister, all

1140
01:51:15,079 --> 01:51:19,159
other officials and then president himself said
that they don't like anything about the Mensk

1141
01:51:19,159 --> 01:51:29,960
Agreements. In other words, they
were not going to implement it. A

1142
01:51:30,039 --> 01:51:32,720
year or a year and a half
ago, former leaders of Germany and France

1143
01:51:32,800 --> 01:51:39,399
said openly to the whole world that
they indeed signed the Mensk Agreements, but

1144
01:51:39,479 --> 01:51:43,520
they never intended to implement them.
They simply led us by the nose.

1145
01:51:43,840 --> 01:51:46,439
Was there anyone free to talk to? Did you call a US president's secretary

1146
01:51:46,479 --> 01:51:50,720
of State and say, if you
keep militarizing Ukraine with NATO forces, this

1147
01:51:50,840 --> 01:51:58,439
is going to get This is going
to be a We're going to act.

1148
01:52:02,479 --> 01:52:08,000
We talked about this all the time. We addressed the United States and European

1149
01:52:08,039 --> 01:52:15,000
countries' leadership to stop these developments immediately, to implement the Minsk Agreements. Frankly

1150
01:52:15,039 --> 01:52:17,720
speaking, I didn't know how we
were going to do this, but I

1151
01:52:17,800 --> 01:52:24,960
was ready to implement them. These
agreements were complicated for Ukraine. They included

1152
01:52:25,039 --> 01:52:30,560
lots of elements of those don Bas
territories independence. That's true. However,

1153
01:52:30,680 --> 01:52:34,560
I was absolutely confident, and I'm
saying this to you now. I honestly

1154
01:52:34,600 --> 01:52:40,119
believed that if we managed to convince
the residents of Dunbas, and we had

1155
01:52:40,119 --> 01:52:45,680
to work hard to convince them to
return to the Ukrainian statehood, then gradually

1156
01:52:45,760 --> 01:52:50,439
the ones would start to heal.
When this part of territory reintegrated itself into

1157
01:52:50,520 --> 01:52:57,319
common social environment, when the pensions
and social benefits were paid again, all

1158
01:52:57,359 --> 01:53:04,960
the pieces would gradually fall into place. C nobody wanted that. Everybody wanted

1159
01:53:05,000 --> 01:53:10,840
to resolve the issue by military force
only, but we could not let that

1160
01:53:10,960 --> 01:53:16,039
happen, and the situation got to
the point when the Ukrainian side announced no,

1161
01:53:16,239 --> 01:53:21,079
we will not do anything. They
also started preparing for military action.

1162
01:53:23,399 --> 01:53:28,800
It was they who started the war
in twenty fourteen. Our goal is to

1163
01:53:28,840 --> 01:53:32,079
stop this war, and we did
not start this war in twenty twenty two.

1164
01:53:33,000 --> 01:53:36,359
This is an attempt to stop it. Do you think you've stopped it

1165
01:53:36,439 --> 01:53:45,880
now? I mean, if you
achieved your aims. No, we haven't

1166
01:53:45,880 --> 01:53:51,960
achieved our aims yet, because one
of them is the Nazification. This means

1167
01:53:53,000 --> 01:53:57,920
the prohibition of all kinds of neo
Nazi movements. This is one of the

1168
01:53:57,960 --> 01:54:03,800
problems that we discussed during the negociation
process which ended in is You guys,

1169
01:54:03,880 --> 01:54:09,720
remember we went way deep into this
in all of my recent Gladio talks because

1170
01:54:09,760 --> 01:54:14,319
we had to get into the Paul
Williams book on Operation Gladio and the ties

1171
01:54:14,359 --> 01:54:20,159
to the Vatican Bank, the Knights, templar Cia, you know Western tradcat

1172
01:54:20,279 --> 01:54:27,560
goons in the seventies and eighties,
William Casey and people in the Reagan administration,

1173
01:54:27,680 --> 01:54:35,279
the Bush Cia era right trying to
trying to ensure that in case Russia

1174
01:54:36,000 --> 01:54:42,159
the Soviets invade Europe, there would
be all these stay behind units and the

1175
01:54:42,159 --> 01:54:48,279
stay behind units because this is oftentimes
people recruited out of fascist lodges, Neo

1176
01:54:48,359 --> 01:54:54,000
fascist lodges, yes, that existed, P two lodge, this kind of

1177
01:54:54,039 --> 01:54:57,720
stuff. According to Williams, it
was really a Kissinger that was kind of

1178
01:54:57,720 --> 01:55:01,800
the point man running basically all of
Gladio throughout Europe. I'm excuse, excuse

1179
01:55:01,880 --> 01:55:09,399
me, well throughout Europe, also
particularly throughout Italy via his control through Leccio

1180
01:55:09,439 --> 01:55:14,359
Gelli. But this a lot of
this is also backed up in Daniel Gancer's

1181
01:55:14,520 --> 01:55:18,479
PhD thesis NATO Secret Armies, which
we've talked about. So anyway, all

1182
01:55:18,520 --> 01:55:24,920
of what you're hearing is stuff that
you've heard me lecture on incessantly for years,

1183
01:55:25,239 --> 01:55:30,159
and people in the West were just
so propagandized that we don't even know

1184
01:55:31,199 --> 01:55:38,880
basic history. And so you know, it's not being a rusiphile or worshiping

1185
01:55:38,960 --> 01:55:43,199
Rush or Putin or something like that
to point out that what he's talking about

1186
01:55:43,399 --> 01:55:45,720
is the same stuff that you know, I come across in all these books.

1187
01:55:45,760 --> 01:55:51,680
You know, years ago we interviewed
the authors of Golden Fitzgerald's classic geopolitical

1188
01:55:51,720 --> 01:55:57,640
texts Afghanistan Untold Story. We've lectured
through. This is like ten years ago

1189
01:55:57,680 --> 01:56:03,720
I lectured through Dreyfus's Devil's Game,
which is about the West using radicals the

1190
01:56:03,760 --> 01:56:05,920
same pattern. Then a radicalized