1 00:00:26,839 --> 00:00:29,839 Hello, everybody, welcome to That's Not Metal. We are, despite the 2 00:00:29,879 --> 00:00:32,799 name, a heavy metal podcast and we have got some quality for you today 3 00:00:32,840 --> 00:00:36,320 because we are back with another album, Roulette, and for it we are 4 00:00:36,399 --> 00:00:40,159 joined by mister James McBain from Hell Ripper. James, Welcome on board. 5 00:00:40,159 --> 00:00:42,719 It's awesome to have you here. Hello, and thank you very much for 6 00:00:42,759 --> 00:00:45,920 having me guys. I appreciate it. Man. We we've spoken before because 7 00:00:45,920 --> 00:00:48,520 we did an interview piece for not Fest, but we've got you here today 8 00:00:48,640 --> 00:00:52,920 because your new record, Warlocks, Grim and Withered Hags, went down absolute 9 00:00:52,920 --> 00:00:55,240 treat with our listeners when we reviewed it on the show. I've seen a 10 00:00:55,240 --> 00:00:57,640 lot of people saying that from these you know, kind of early months of 11 00:00:57,679 --> 00:01:00,759 the year, it has been one of the absolute stand doubts that they've been 12 00:01:00,759 --> 00:01:03,439 going back to and it pleases me to no ends seeing like, you know, 13 00:01:03,479 --> 00:01:07,159 a one man black metal project from Scotland doing the business like that, 14 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:08,239 you know, like a couple of months after it's release. How has it 15 00:01:08,239 --> 00:01:12,120 been for you? Yeah, it's been crazy. I mean yeah, I'm 16 00:01:12,200 --> 00:01:18,519 very glad that people seem to to like the album in general, and you 17 00:01:18,560 --> 00:01:22,560 guys covered it as well, which there were some kind words there with the 18 00:01:22,599 --> 00:01:29,319 Greenland's comparison. I absolutely love that. But yeah, it's been Yeah, 19 00:01:29,319 --> 00:01:33,640 it's been crazy. It's the album got a lot more like exposure and praise 20 00:01:33,719 --> 00:01:38,000 and all that than than what I kind of expected. So yeah, it's 21 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:42,239 good to see and it's yeah, it's really cool. Yeah, I mean 22 00:01:42,239 --> 00:01:44,959 it's a record I'm particularly excited to have you like on the show to do 23 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:47,959 this for as well, because there might be a kind of typical view out 24 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:51,480 there that people have of like you know, black thrash, black speed metal, 25 00:01:51,560 --> 00:01:53,959 that might not involve it being the most kind of eclectic or you know, 26 00:01:55,000 --> 00:01:57,760 adventurous chorus music. What's grimming with it, Hags is a record that 27 00:01:59,079 --> 00:02:00,840 opens up all sorts of doors or things for us to talk about. And 28 00:02:00,879 --> 00:02:02,959 with that in mind, the album Roulette. If you are here and new, 29 00:02:04,239 --> 00:02:06,000 if you just come over from the hell RiPP a page or something, 30 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:07,400 thank you for joining us. What we do here is we have got a 31 00:02:07,400 --> 00:02:10,400 selection of albums that have been provided for us by James. Here. We 32 00:02:10,479 --> 00:02:14,759 are going to run through them how they have affected you, and generally have 33 00:02:14,759 --> 00:02:17,039 a lovely chat about some great records for an evening. James, when I 34 00:02:17,080 --> 00:02:21,639 asked you for an album selection. You came back fairly quickly with them, 35 00:02:21,680 --> 00:02:24,439 which which leads me to believe that these are real favorites that you always have 36 00:02:24,639 --> 00:02:29,199 fairly close to hand. Like where did your mind go in terms of selecting 37 00:02:29,199 --> 00:02:30,919 these, Like was it fairly painless or did it require a lot of deliberation? 38 00:02:31,639 --> 00:02:36,360 Yeah, what do get kind of somewhat of a mix. You know, 39 00:02:36,400 --> 00:02:39,479 I didn't want to go for like six black thrash albums, you know 40 00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:43,960 that you would expect or or whatever. So I thought, I've got a 41 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:46,199 few favorites, you know, a few that, yeah, like you say, 42 00:02:46,240 --> 00:02:50,319 they're close to my heart that kind of got me into this music or 43 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:55,520 really had an impact on how I write music or how I listen to music 44 00:02:55,599 --> 00:03:00,400 or whatever. So yeah, it was kind of yeah, there was maybe 45 00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:05,280 a list of about ten or something and a kind of yeah, narrowed it 46 00:03:05,319 --> 00:03:09,159 down from there to what to what I think is a somewhat mixed Yeah, 47 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:13,800 but I guess I guess the one thing that we don't have is something on 48 00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:16,520 the kind of more like long form, expansive form of black metal that I 49 00:03:16,599 --> 00:03:19,800 know you're into. But you know, the new record is taking a few 50 00:03:19,840 --> 00:03:23,680 pointers from that, But otherwise we are covering a lot of bases, Sam, 51 00:03:23,759 --> 00:03:28,080 Hello, a bunch of albums here in the walls of heavy metal and 52 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:31,240 beyond. Some you'll be very familiar with. Some we've spoken about elsewhere pretty 53 00:03:31,240 --> 00:03:34,599 recently. Last time we did one of these with the guest was when we 54 00:03:34,599 --> 00:03:37,479 had Canny promotions of slumber On and she brought on like a bunch of country 55 00:03:37,520 --> 00:03:38,680 records and stuff. So it was it nice to get like a bit more 56 00:03:38,680 --> 00:03:44,159 grim. Yeah, I'd like to say that there's sort of most of the 57 00:03:44,199 --> 00:03:46,520 bands who I was at least familiar with. There's only one of them, 58 00:03:46,520 --> 00:03:49,719 which was kind of like a new like a completely new kind of experience for 59 00:03:49,719 --> 00:03:51,840 me to listen to. But otherwise I was like, oh, yeah, 60 00:03:51,840 --> 00:03:54,840 this is quite familiar territory, some of which I'm very fond of, some 61 00:03:54,879 --> 00:03:58,360 of which is kind of like oh yeah, okay, let's go back and 62 00:03:59,400 --> 00:04:01,560 get bands are used to like maybe more than I do now, perhaps, 63 00:04:01,599 --> 00:04:05,560 But just going through these records as like say a good time, Yeah, 64 00:04:05,599 --> 00:04:09,199 there are places where we are going to move, you know, far out 65 00:04:09,199 --> 00:04:12,439 of that terrain. This is not just an episode further speed metal heads, 66 00:04:12,319 --> 00:04:15,159 as James says, but I think it is good James, that your first 67 00:04:15,199 --> 00:04:18,199 pick is kind of the one that sits closest to the foundation of what you 68 00:04:18,240 --> 00:04:24,079 do. And we can broaden from their Toxic Holocaust and Evil Never Dies from 69 00:04:24,439 --> 00:04:27,639 two thousand and three now kind of in the realms of like black Thrash. 70 00:04:28,160 --> 00:04:30,800 There's a few options for you know, obviously you can go the foundations of 71 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:34,240 it with you know, Venom, Bathory, Mothehead, even today there's Midnight, 72 00:04:34,319 --> 00:04:38,519 but you've gone for Toxic Holocaust. Why is this your like, you 73 00:04:38,560 --> 00:04:42,920 know, first album to reach for in the kind of walls of the subsector 74 00:04:42,959 --> 00:04:46,720 of metal that you largely play in. Yes, so this album, I 75 00:04:46,720 --> 00:04:49,399 mean, as well as the sound of it, it was an album that 76 00:04:49,519 --> 00:04:54,480 was released I mean just shortly before I got into it, or you know, 77 00:04:54,519 --> 00:04:56,560 a few years before I got into it all. So it was a 78 00:04:56,560 --> 00:05:00,639 fairly recent album that was kind of kicking about you know, the internet, 79 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:03,720 and people were still talking about it and as well as their later releases. 80 00:05:03,759 --> 00:05:09,319 At the time I got into the band, probably around an overdose of Death. 81 00:05:09,399 --> 00:05:12,639 So yeah, yeah, a few years later, but yeah, people 82 00:05:12,639 --> 00:05:15,000 were still speaking about this one, you know, in the underground and online. 83 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:18,920 You would see it recommended places. But yeah, this is the album 84 00:05:18,959 --> 00:05:25,600 that kind of that really inspired me to start hell Rupper. Most of all, 85 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:30,040 I'd always liked thrash metal, you know, it was the it's my 86 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:33,160 still my favorite kind of music and a lot of my favorites. When I 87 00:05:33,199 --> 00:05:39,240 got into to thrash was your more I guess, technical kind of stuff, 88 00:05:39,279 --> 00:05:44,800 you know, even I mean Metallica's fairly technical, megadeath, technical annihilator artillery. 89 00:05:45,279 --> 00:05:49,079 The newer bands, you know, kind of contemporaries to like Toxic Holocausts, 90 00:05:49,079 --> 00:05:54,759 like Warbringer, Havoc a bit more technical, a bit more complex, 91 00:05:55,560 --> 00:05:58,839 And that was all the so I thought, like, you know, to 92 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:02,759 be a thrash band, you've got to be an amazing lead guitar player. 93 00:06:02,759 --> 00:06:08,279 You've got to be extremely extremely good at your instrument, and you know, 94 00:06:08,319 --> 00:06:13,120 you've got to be kind of perfect and very proficient. And once I heard 95 00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:18,279 like Toxic Holocausts, it was very stripped down, very raw. There's hardly 96 00:06:18,319 --> 00:06:21,639 any guitar solos on the album. All the songs. All the songs are 97 00:06:21,680 --> 00:06:29,240 like two minutes long, like on average or something like that. And I 98 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:32,759 found out that it was Joe grind recorded it on his own doing all the 99 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:39,279 instruments, and I'm pretty sure we recorded like the drums like in someone's house, 100 00:06:39,439 --> 00:06:43,879 like his friend's bedroom or something, if I'm if I'm not mistaken, 101 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:46,040 So that kind of you know, I'd always want to start bands. I'd 102 00:06:46,040 --> 00:06:51,680 always jammed with friends and what wanted to start metal bands, and you could 103 00:06:51,720 --> 00:06:55,360 we could never find a drummer, we can never find a singer, or 104 00:06:55,360 --> 00:06:59,519 the same problems that everyone has. And over the years we kind of gradually 105 00:07:00,759 --> 00:07:04,519 the kind of ambition kind of decreased, you know, we were just getting 106 00:07:04,519 --> 00:07:09,879 nowhere. And when I found out, yeah, this this band that I 107 00:07:09,920 --> 00:07:13,319 really like, this album that I really like, it's done by one guy 108 00:07:13,399 --> 00:07:19,120 doing everything like on his own, that just kind of kick started the idea, 109 00:07:19,199 --> 00:07:24,800 like, let's let's see what I can do. It's possible because at 110 00:07:24,800 --> 00:07:27,759 the time, yeah, they were signed to Relapse Records as well, not 111 00:07:27,800 --> 00:07:30,639 with this album, but when I got into them, like and they were 112 00:07:30,920 --> 00:07:33,360 like they were a big touring band, you know, so I was like, 113 00:07:33,399 --> 00:07:36,319 Wow, this guy's on his own doing all this on his own, 114 00:07:36,360 --> 00:07:43,240 he's signed to a big label, he's putting out albums. Yeah, So 115 00:07:43,279 --> 00:07:46,839 that just kind of got the idea and I thought, yeah, let's see 116 00:07:46,839 --> 00:07:49,399 how I can do it. Yeah, I guess is that why like Evil 117 00:07:49,439 --> 00:07:54,199 Never Dies in particular, because like I wondered whether you might pick something like 118 00:07:54,240 --> 00:07:56,720 over Death of Death, for example, which has like new the Cross on 119 00:07:56,720 --> 00:07:59,480 it, which is like the contribution to kind of the great the big bangers 120 00:07:59,480 --> 00:08:01,639 of this type of music. Yeah, you know, I remember listening to 121 00:08:01,680 --> 00:08:03,000 the one of the Cobra on it back when that came out. But the 122 00:08:03,040 --> 00:08:07,959 fact that Evil Never Dies is kind of the most primitive one. Is that 123 00:08:07,040 --> 00:08:11,040 what kind of makes it the most inspiring in a way. Yeah, I 124 00:08:11,079 --> 00:08:15,279 think so, especially in terms of just I know, for an Overdose of 125 00:08:15,319 --> 00:08:20,319 Death and in things he Joe Grind there was a session drummer involved, I 126 00:08:20,319 --> 00:08:26,800 think it was the guy from Zeke and it was recording in a proper studio 127 00:08:26,839 --> 00:08:31,000 and things still an amazing album. Nuke Lacrosse, like you say, one 128 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:35,559 of the like the metal punk kind of anthems. I guess, like one 129 00:08:35,559 --> 00:08:39,799 of my one of my favorite songs. But yeah, just the fact that 130 00:08:39,840 --> 00:08:45,399 this was done like completely DIY basically, and also I found out later on 131 00:08:46,919 --> 00:08:52,840 that it was released on a simile the kind of would you call it sister 132 00:08:54,000 --> 00:09:00,840 label to the label that released my first album, which is brew Us kind 133 00:09:00,840 --> 00:09:05,440 of closely related to Barbarian Wrath, which released Coagulating Darkness, which was cool 134 00:09:07,200 --> 00:09:11,879 a cool link there. But yeah, this album is just yeah, and 135 00:09:11,039 --> 00:09:16,039 again it's more thrash as well actually than Overdose of Death. I think that 136 00:09:16,120 --> 00:09:20,279 kind of leans more in the metal punk side. Same with Hell on Earth 137 00:09:20,360 --> 00:09:26,240 the Neck, the album after this one, but this is kind of Toxic 138 00:09:26,240 --> 00:09:28,879 Colocaust. That the most black thrash. There's still metal punk, but it's 139 00:09:30,200 --> 00:09:35,639 you know, it's more early eighties German kind of thrash you can hear in 140 00:09:35,679 --> 00:09:41,759 there, which also appealed to me as well, you know, being on 141 00:09:41,799 --> 00:09:45,360 the more thrash side of things. Yeah, definitely like the way you Wore 142 00:09:45,399 --> 00:09:48,399 as Hell, you have that like punch the air beginning to it in terms 143 00:09:48,399 --> 00:09:50,000 of stuff that exists in that, you know, that sort of bleeding out 144 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:54,440 pointween black metal, thrash, metals, be mel whatever. That could pretty 145 00:09:54,519 --> 00:09:58,159 much be like a power trip riff written like fifteen years later or something Sam 146 00:09:58,200 --> 00:10:01,480 did that make it for you kind of pretty accessible about too much fuss, 147 00:10:01,960 --> 00:10:03,679 Oh, I found this immediately accessible. This is, like I said, 148 00:10:03,720 --> 00:10:07,320 the one I've never listened to Toxic Colic. I was like, I've heard 149 00:10:07,360 --> 00:10:09,960 the name as long as when I was I just sally get around at some 150 00:10:09,960 --> 00:10:11,519 point, but I'd never got around to it. So sticking this one and 151 00:10:11,600 --> 00:10:16,399 going, oh, it is literally just thirty minutes of pure like speed and 152 00:10:16,519 --> 00:10:20,919 black and frash, but with that kind of like that slight touch of you 153 00:10:20,200 --> 00:10:24,679 like this is more on the black metal frash, I thinks, but there's 154 00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:28,279 that touch of punk and hardcore and it just kind of like letting rip, 155 00:10:28,360 --> 00:10:31,720 and just I found it so immediately, kind of like I can rub onto 156 00:10:31,720 --> 00:10:35,200 this because when you're sharing Warriors fucking hell, and like the opening song and 157 00:10:35,240 --> 00:10:39,399 like over like a sort of frashy two step riff, a bunch of like 158 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:41,440 fun sort of change ups where it kind of like changes pace and tempo, 159 00:10:43,080 --> 00:10:46,320 and it just was like, yeah, this is so what I just wanted 160 00:10:46,360 --> 00:10:48,720 to, just sort of gnarly frash metal. Yeah, Like when they came 161 00:10:48,759 --> 00:10:52,879 through in the kind of two thousands, they were alongside like you were saying, 162 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:54,840 James, I kind of big boom of like neo thrash bands. When 163 00:10:54,840 --> 00:10:58,519 you know, like the next couple of records after this have like the ed 164 00:10:58,600 --> 00:11:01,039 rep curb cover art and stuff. Yeah, you mentioned a Warbringer. You're 165 00:11:01,039 --> 00:11:03,279 going on tob of Warbringer at the end of this week, so kind of 166 00:11:03,399 --> 00:11:05,399 just that as sort of a movement of you know, there's kind of new 167 00:11:05,440 --> 00:11:09,159 thrash bands coming through. Was that like a generally exciting, you know, 168 00:11:09,840 --> 00:11:11,200 thing for you to kind of be caught up in, because I feel the 169 00:11:11,240 --> 00:11:13,960 time, Yeah, so I got into metal, like I said, like 170 00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:22,080 right around the time that was happening probably what I don't know the when I 171 00:11:22,120 --> 00:11:24,919 exactly got into metal, but yeah, between two thousand and eight, two 172 00:11:24,200 --> 00:11:30,879 and ten, um you had, yeah, Warbringer, Toxic Holocaust, Gamma 173 00:11:30,919 --> 00:11:35,080 Ball, municipal waste, evil fueled by Fire, all this kind of stuff 174 00:11:35,519 --> 00:11:41,240 that I would discover via like the YouTube recommendations, because yeah, that's how 175 00:11:41,279 --> 00:11:46,240 I got into basically everything I was into. Like you would start off on 176 00:11:46,559 --> 00:11:50,399 like Megadeath and you would find out, oh, there's evil at the side, 177 00:11:50,399 --> 00:11:52,039 okay, click there, and just then you would just go down like 178 00:11:52,159 --> 00:12:00,600 the rabbit hole listening to all this obscure thrash and a new thrash that was 179 00:12:00,600 --> 00:12:03,399 coming out at the time, and it was Yeah, it was great, 180 00:12:03,480 --> 00:12:09,080 like just discovering so much stuff and yeah, and obviously I gravitate towards the 181 00:12:09,080 --> 00:12:15,080 fast stuff, so I feel, yeah, it was lucky that that movement 182 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:18,720 or whatever you would call it was happening right at the perfect time for me. 183 00:12:20,279 --> 00:12:22,559 When I first came to Toxic Holocaust, again, I hadn't necessarily separated 184 00:12:22,559 --> 00:12:26,240 the differences between like, you know, kind of yeah pizza and high top 185 00:12:26,320 --> 00:12:31,519 thrash metal and then yeah, black speed whatever. Hadn't gone down the kind 186 00:12:31,519 --> 00:12:33,200 of subgenre like subsectors to quite that degree. And I think one of the 187 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:37,720 first things I heard from Toxic Holocaust was the split with the Municipal Waste, 188 00:12:37,919 --> 00:12:39,799 who I'm a big fan of Toxic Holocaust kind of sat in the head as 189 00:12:39,799 --> 00:12:45,080 almost like the more necro version of something like municial Waste, Like the guitar 190 00:12:45,120 --> 00:12:46,039 tone on this when it's like, you know, enemy of Diesel whatever it 191 00:12:46,080 --> 00:12:52,200 could be writing in that kind of Ryan waste kind of school of punky thrash 192 00:12:52,320 --> 00:12:54,600 energy. Yeah, yeah, And I think, yeah, the like you 193 00:12:54,639 --> 00:12:58,960 see, like the kind of more necro version the thing that kind of separates 194 00:12:58,039 --> 00:13:05,279 this um album as well from other Toxic albums, as the vocals, I 195 00:13:05,320 --> 00:13:09,200 guess Hell on Earth as well a bit, but it's more kind of black 196 00:13:09,240 --> 00:13:13,639 metal vocals, a lot of reverb, a lot of kind of yeah neck 197 00:13:13,759 --> 00:13:16,759 row sounding, and then by the time they got to kind of Overdose of 198 00:13:16,840 --> 00:13:22,960 Death, the vocals were more shouted punk m style, And yeah, I 199 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:30,960 love the the vocals on this album, like the screaming whatever you would call 200 00:13:31,000 --> 00:13:35,679 it that, because it is like more neck on the vocals, but there's 201 00:13:35,679 --> 00:13:37,039 still a sense of fun to it, which I don't know he's get from 202 00:13:37,080 --> 00:13:41,360 a lot of black metal. There's kind of a playful like let's just go 203 00:13:41,480 --> 00:13:46,080 fast and have funds or energy and some of those like Shalon versa when you've 204 00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:48,799 just got some six to sixty six and you just shot that out as like 205 00:13:48,960 --> 00:13:52,159 as your chorus. It's kind of got that just like gleeful, like let's 206 00:13:52,200 --> 00:13:56,440 just be metal ass fucking and have fun with it while sounding like legitimately still 207 00:13:56,440 --> 00:14:00,440 evil in the vocals. Yeah, like you can hear on Demi he's almost 208 00:14:00,440 --> 00:14:03,559 doing that kind of like vocal carpet bombing thing, just like smashing out syllable 209 00:14:03,639 --> 00:14:07,559 after syllable and like there's a kind of breakdown. He riff in Damn to 210 00:14:07,639 --> 00:14:09,480 Fire and he does that vocal pattern over the top of like Christ laughed his 211 00:14:09,519 --> 00:14:11,679 evil laugh, you're burn for your sins, and it just makes you pull 212 00:14:11,679 --> 00:14:15,480 a face of like, yeah, that's what this music is kind of supposed 213 00:14:15,480 --> 00:14:18,440 to be. And something I like about this particular corner of metal, which 214 00:14:18,440 --> 00:14:20,879 I guess is something that you've maybe kind of grown, like pasted a little 215 00:14:20,879 --> 00:14:22,799 bit on your new album Gone, maybe a little bit more high brow. 216 00:14:22,879 --> 00:14:28,320 But there's like a really back to basics approach to imagery where you look at 217 00:14:28,360 --> 00:14:31,120 like, you know, gore death metal or whatever, and band had gotten 218 00:14:31,120 --> 00:14:35,440 his like insane arms race about who could make you know, the most repellent, 219 00:14:35,639 --> 00:14:39,120 brutal death metal subject matter whatever, and then you look at like Midnight 220 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:43,840 or Topxic Holocaust or Aggressive Effector, and it's like there's an executioner with an 221 00:14:43,879 --> 00:14:46,919 axe and he's gonna kill you. And instead of feeling like, you know, 222 00:14:46,360 --> 00:14:50,360 quite an old hat whatever, there's something kind of timeless about that. 223 00:14:50,360 --> 00:14:52,399 You're like, oh, what's the next song on the album six six six 224 00:14:52,480 --> 00:14:56,759 brilliant? Yeah, yeah, yeah, like you said, Yeah's that's kind 225 00:14:56,759 --> 00:15:00,360 of what appealed to me, like the back to basics and the songs great 226 00:15:00,360 --> 00:15:05,399 because especially when I was younger, you know, writing music. Um, 227 00:15:07,759 --> 00:15:09,240 Like I said, I was into all these technical bands, and I was 228 00:15:09,279 --> 00:15:13,480 a big fan as well when I of like tech Death. I'm a massive 229 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:18,360 still a massive fan of like Obscura and stuff like that. So when I 230 00:15:18,360 --> 00:15:20,399 would write songs, you know, I would try. I had it in 231 00:15:20,440 --> 00:15:24,799 my mind you had to you had to have a million riffs in the song. 232 00:15:26,399 --> 00:15:30,039 The riffs. If the riffs were simple, they weren't good. You 233 00:15:30,080 --> 00:15:35,519 had to be like complicated to make it good and stuff. And then yeah, 234 00:15:35,919 --> 00:15:39,080 sneering at that idea, Yeah, I mean, I don't mean talking 235 00:15:39,120 --> 00:15:43,759 about that was I mean, yeah, complicated riffs are great, but that 236 00:15:43,840 --> 00:15:46,879 was the I couldn't when I was first getting into like this, Like I 237 00:15:46,960 --> 00:15:54,120 was not a great guitar player, you know, I would um, I 238 00:15:54,200 --> 00:15:58,200 was. I was into punk, and yeah, I couldn't write these tech 239 00:15:58,279 --> 00:16:03,759 Death riffs or whatever, or Nihilator Megadeath riffs, and so yeah, when 240 00:16:03,759 --> 00:16:07,320 I heard you know, you can write thrash back to basics like six six 241 00:16:07,399 --> 00:16:11,080 six and stuff or Demise Warfare, there's like what two or three riffs in 242 00:16:11,759 --> 00:16:15,120 those songs, and they're like one minute long, one and a half minutes, 243 00:16:15,159 --> 00:16:18,759 two minutes long and the songs were great, so I was like, 244 00:16:18,759 --> 00:16:25,360 wow, this is you can do that like some If it's simple and catchy, 245 00:16:25,399 --> 00:16:29,960 it's great. And yeah, I credit like this album and a lot 246 00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:37,120 of the black thrash and metal punk kind of stuff for getting me out of 247 00:16:37,120 --> 00:16:41,919 that mindset of trying to do six thousand riffs per song and six thousand notes 248 00:16:41,960 --> 00:16:47,240 per riff and all that kind of stuff. So yeah, it changed the 249 00:16:47,279 --> 00:16:51,720 way I kind of thought about writing music, and yeah, improves my songwriting 250 00:16:51,759 --> 00:16:53,759 as a result. I think, Yeah, that like back to basics imagery 251 00:16:53,759 --> 00:16:57,120 thing, the way they just swap all the seas for keys in Atomic Destructure 252 00:16:57,440 --> 00:17:00,639 just to make it like I always misspell their name, even though I actually 253 00:17:00,639 --> 00:17:03,440 spelled it the right way. I just instinctively assume that the toxic must have 254 00:17:03,480 --> 00:17:07,279 a K in there and it doesn't. And you know, you're merch and 255 00:17:07,319 --> 00:17:11,200 everything. It's always just goats. Why goats are still cool? And I 256 00:17:11,240 --> 00:17:15,400 guess like as charmingly kind of bullish a record as this is, though, 257 00:17:15,160 --> 00:17:21,240 Like you're saying, Joel grind like he's really active today on the production front, 258 00:17:21,240 --> 00:17:25,640 like he's always doing mastering for people and stuff like that, and I 259 00:17:25,640 --> 00:17:27,680 don't know. It's weird how something like you know, black thrash whatever, 260 00:17:27,720 --> 00:17:33,799 you could probably imagine it to be a very heavily kind of band oriented form 261 00:17:33,839 --> 00:17:36,839 of music, but it has something that you know, has created a lot 262 00:17:36,839 --> 00:17:41,640 of these really driven kind of one man operations where you know, Joel grind 263 00:17:41,759 --> 00:17:44,680 Athanarf for Midnight yourself. I suppose that even you go back to the earliest 264 00:17:44,720 --> 00:17:47,079 days A kworthorne On, you know, the kind of early Bathory records. 265 00:17:47,960 --> 00:17:49,799 Why do you think this style of music has kind of produced so many of 266 00:17:49,799 --> 00:17:55,039 these sort of individualistic silo projects, do you get? I guess, yeah, 267 00:17:55,119 --> 00:17:57,920 I've actually got a new idea. My main reason for doing it was 268 00:17:57,960 --> 00:18:03,559 just because they didn't know any one else that was into this kind of music. 269 00:18:03,799 --> 00:18:07,880 I guess it's the same as Yeah, I don't know. So see, 270 00:18:07,920 --> 00:18:10,559 you know, you can say black metal, it's kind of you can 271 00:18:11,039 --> 00:18:15,079 view it as like a like a a solitary thing, like you know, 272 00:18:15,160 --> 00:18:18,000 you want to be on your own do it? Yeah, but yeah, 273 00:18:18,039 --> 00:18:22,680 like you said, the black thrash, it's kind of party. It's yeah, 274 00:18:22,720 --> 00:18:27,559 it's it's it feels like a very social sounding music. You can't jumple 275 00:18:27,599 --> 00:18:30,839 Toe's head on your own. So yeah, I don't know. Maybe it 276 00:18:30,960 --> 00:18:38,240 is simply because of bands like Bathory or later on like Toxic Holocaust doing it 277 00:18:38,240 --> 00:18:44,319 on their own and people into that music just get inspired by that. I 278 00:18:44,359 --> 00:18:45,880 mean, that's how it started with me, Like I said, just I 279 00:18:45,920 --> 00:18:48,960 saw this guy does it on his own, I'll try it. Maybe if 280 00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:52,720 it maybe if it was if it was death metal or whatever, I would 281 00:18:52,720 --> 00:18:56,440 have done that, you know, like been inspired to do that more or 282 00:18:56,480 --> 00:19:00,240 whatever. But yeah, like I said, just because I didn't know anyone, 283 00:19:02,640 --> 00:19:03,720 maybe that's it with a lot of these people. Like it's a kind 284 00:19:03,759 --> 00:19:07,599 of music where you've got to be very dedicated to the cause, Like no 285 00:19:07,640 --> 00:19:11,480 one around you is quite as feverishly into like sodom, you are going to 286 00:19:11,519 --> 00:19:14,480 do it all yourself. And I suppose, yeah, that's say real DIY 287 00:19:14,559 --> 00:19:18,039 mentality with it, and so that's why these products still picking up and then 288 00:19:18,599 --> 00:19:22,599 gathered steam and get people in following on from that basically once the sort of 289 00:19:22,640 --> 00:19:25,079 like ideas are there. Yeah, I suppose one of the things that you've 290 00:19:25,119 --> 00:19:27,920 got to give Joel grind credit for is like debut album out in two thousand 291 00:19:27,920 --> 00:19:30,960 and three. He started this project in nineteen ninety nine. Nowadays, this 292 00:19:32,079 --> 00:19:33,599 music is like, you know, it's fairly cool and there's a dedicated audience 293 00:19:33,599 --> 00:19:37,440 for it and everything. But in nineteen ninety nine, I don't know how 294 00:19:37,519 --> 00:19:38,920 much of a market there is for a record like Evil Never Dies, Like 295 00:19:38,960 --> 00:19:42,599 that's that's peak new metal years. And you've got your Scandinavian bands like you 296 00:19:42,640 --> 00:19:45,680 know, or in Noir and Nippelheim are doing kind of more old school stuff 297 00:19:45,720 --> 00:19:48,400 like this, but they're always part of their own little community over there for 298 00:19:48,480 --> 00:19:52,480 America, and he's like pretty out on a limb here. Even in two 299 00:19:52,480 --> 00:19:55,759 thousand and three as well, the album actually comes out like it's it's your 300 00:19:55,799 --> 00:19:59,200 new wave of American heavy metal and kind of like metal core bands breaking through 301 00:19:59,200 --> 00:20:02,680 at that point. Yeah, yeah, I think so. Yeah. And 302 00:20:02,799 --> 00:20:07,359 again going back to what you were saying, like the production, that might 303 00:20:07,400 --> 00:20:11,240 also be a factor why people do it on their own, because it's a 304 00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:15,680 it's a style of music that you don't need to be precise with production, 305 00:20:15,759 --> 00:20:18,039 it doesn't need to sound the greatest and things like that, you know, 306 00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:22,160 going along with the back to basics kind of thing. If you want to 307 00:20:22,559 --> 00:20:26,880 do a solo again, I'll just use tech Death as an example. You 308 00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:32,160 know, it's usually it's a very clean sounding, very precise, very perfect, 309 00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:36,319 very you know whatever sounding, whereas yeah, you can get away with 310 00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:41,799 kind of just like on like my first DP, for example, I had 311 00:20:41,839 --> 00:20:44,960 no idea what I was doing. I didn't know what mastering was, and 312 00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:48,559 so the first DP isn't mastered because I didn't know what it meant. Just 313 00:20:48,599 --> 00:20:52,759 something as simple as that. But yeah, I think, yeah, Joel 314 00:20:52,799 --> 00:20:57,920 Grind and Toxic Holocaust did were one of the first bands that kind of kickstarted 315 00:20:57,960 --> 00:21:04,519 the the a new wave of black thrash, metal punk or whatever, I 316 00:21:04,559 --> 00:21:08,880 guess, along with kind of Dark Throne when they came out with Cults Alive 317 00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:14,960 and yeah, the then the three following ones, Circle the Wagons and and 318 00:21:15,039 --> 00:21:18,680 all that, and then yeah, there was kind of a a lot of 319 00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:22,599 bands that I'm into came out with stuff like kind of again, Yeah, 320 00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:26,319 just around the time I was getting into metal, or late two thousands, 321 00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:33,279 early twenty tens, you know, you had Cruel Force and stuff like that, 322 00:21:33,759 --> 00:21:38,119 bands out of Germany. Um, But yeah, a lot of bands 323 00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:45,519 have started the black thirst thing since, yeah, myself included, and yeah, 324 00:21:45,519 --> 00:21:48,559 I love it. It's my favorite style of music, So the more 325 00:21:48,599 --> 00:21:52,839 bands, the merrier. In my what's what's your tune? If you see 326 00:21:52,839 --> 00:21:55,279 in Toxic Holocaust Live and they dropped one of these, like what pushes your 327 00:21:55,279 --> 00:21:59,799 buttons the hardest, it's six to six, it would be me as well, 328 00:22:00,279 --> 00:22:03,880 Yeah, sixty six. It's just it's simple, it's catchy, it's 329 00:22:04,839 --> 00:22:10,079 it's just it's just so metal, just so yeah, just over the top, 330 00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:14,720 like and again it's Yeah, if you listen to my first EP, 331 00:22:14,839 --> 00:22:18,880 there's a lot of this album influencing it. You can hear it, like 332 00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:23,559 on the song flesh Ripper, it's kind of taking a queue from six to 333 00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:26,920 six as well, where there's like a little bass solo part, like based 334 00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:33,480 solo drum part where the everything else drops out. That's basically taken straight from 335 00:22:33,519 --> 00:22:37,440 that. Yeah, talksic Colocass all of their stuff, I mean six to 336 00:22:37,599 --> 00:22:40,720 six, and then going forward, you've got songs like Bitch, Nucleacrosse, 337 00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:47,400 whatever, just so much good stuff. Yeah, your second pick, But 338 00:22:47,519 --> 00:22:49,839 yeah, I guess we're moving slightly backwards on the timeline that you sort of 339 00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:52,240 light out there and tais when you're getting in stuff because we are going from 340 00:22:52,279 --> 00:22:57,400 you know, modern black thrash back to some of the absolute core tenets of 341 00:22:57,480 --> 00:23:03,400 thrash metal Megadeth pecells. But who's buying This made me laugh because we were 342 00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:07,160 mucking about the other day changing other band's albums to be Megadeth by adding the 343 00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:11,599 appropriate punctuation of ellipsis and exclamation marks, which I suppose for you would be 344 00:23:11,599 --> 00:23:15,839 Warlocks, grim and withered Hags. But when we are looking at thrash metal 345 00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:18,559 and the kind of thrash metal giants I know you said about, you know 346 00:23:18,599 --> 00:23:22,880 you kind of in your early days, you didn't really know how to go 347 00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:25,519 about making music that was that was technical, and you were inspired by the 348 00:23:25,559 --> 00:23:27,960 more kind of primitive, you know, approach of Toxic Holocaust. But in 349 00:23:29,039 --> 00:23:30,599 the new hell Ripper album, you know, some of the more kind of 350 00:23:30,599 --> 00:23:33,440 elaborate arrangements with these like eight minute songs, they made me think about, 351 00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:37,720 you know, classic eighties metallica, anything brutal there is obviously slyer, But 352 00:23:37,759 --> 00:23:44,400 it doesn't surprise me that you picked Megadeth because technicality and dexterousness. I guess 353 00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:47,160 what I hear in hell Ripper today over a lot of other band in a 354 00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:51,200 similar aim to you, is that kind of manic fingers running all over the 355 00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:55,559 fretboard style riffing. So of course a record like this is one of your 356 00:23:55,559 --> 00:23:59,599 favorites. Yeah, yeah, like you said there, it was. I 357 00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:03,559 mean in the beginning, I was inspired by the more extreme technical stuff. 358 00:24:03,599 --> 00:24:07,000 I just couldn't play it. And then and then when I heard the Toxic 359 00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:11,839 Holocaust in the back to basic stuff, I was influenced by that because I 360 00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:14,559 mean, first of all, it's great, but then yeah, it was 361 00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:18,680 it was in within my capabilities as a as a musician. And then over 362 00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:26,799 the years, yeah, I think I've improved guitar playing and now I'm able 363 00:24:26,839 --> 00:24:32,200 to kind of write riffs that I would have loved to have written ten fifteen 364 00:24:32,279 --> 00:24:37,759 years ago or whatever. And yeah, I love I love those kind of 365 00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:40,720 riffs, you know, just the fingers going everywhere. I mean, especially 366 00:24:40,799 --> 00:24:44,119 the first Megadeth album actually as well, like where it's a bit kind of 367 00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:48,359 chaotic, but um, yeah, just what I've got, You've got like 368 00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:56,400 good Morning Black Friday, like yeah, just solos everywhere, left hand just 369 00:24:56,759 --> 00:25:02,079 going everywhere. Yeah, it's it's just speed metal for me. It's just 370 00:25:02,279 --> 00:25:04,640 yeah, it's proper speed. Yeah. I'm really glad he picked an eighties 371 00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:07,200 Megaaneth album as well, instead of Rusting Peace, because you know, we 372 00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:10,200 all know that Rusted Peace is like one of the greatest Matter records ever. 373 00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:12,759 But man, Megae in the eighties, well one of the most like coked 374 00:25:12,839 --> 00:25:18,400 up, angriest bands there has ever been. Yeah. Yeah, man, 375 00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:22,200 it's just so aggressive, just so yeah, you can just hear it's just 376 00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:26,079 pissed off, just in the in the in the sound, in the vocals. 377 00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:32,240 The voice is just so angry. Yeah, it's a way to cover 378 00:25:32,279 --> 00:25:34,680 for that. You've got a vocalist who cannot hold a note savings life, 379 00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:38,720 just make him sound like the angriest man around and just have him snarl and 380 00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:42,160 like generally sound like he wants to fight you at every second. Yeah, 381 00:25:42,279 --> 00:25:45,359 that's what he's got to do. I mean, Sam, I know that 382 00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:48,119 you are one of the many who have a slightly ropey relationship with Megadeth, 383 00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:52,519 whether it be Dave vocally or you know, personally whatever, but it's Dave 384 00:25:52,599 --> 00:25:56,279 Mustange in general. Yeah. Pieces, you've got to admit it's one of 385 00:25:56,279 --> 00:26:00,440 those pretty fucking classic records, right it is. I kind of forgot that 386 00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:03,799 I do genuinely quite like this record. Again, when I was going back 387 00:26:03,799 --> 00:26:07,759 to it, so I was like, it is just so like full of 388 00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:10,720 venom, and I was kind of like, oh yeah when they were just 389 00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:15,119 genuinely furious and kind of just doing that real out there ship with the guitars 390 00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:18,240 and like Joe like say, like i'd say, riffs going all over the 391 00:26:18,279 --> 00:26:23,359 place and really unconvincible song strucks that they were actually like really interesting and mental 392 00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:26,400 at this point in time. Like yeah, I mean there's something about these 393 00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:30,480 eighties Megaaneth records like Rest and Peace is the funny one because they kind of 394 00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:33,279 peeked slightly after everyone else and got the kind of most like state of the 395 00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:38,440 art sound there, but that like mean nasty feel that old Megadeth had like 396 00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:41,480 killing us my business is all like you know, like you said, kind 397 00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:45,279 of amphetamine fueled. We've got a hit faster the metallic or I'm going to 398 00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:48,680 murder someone. So far, so good. So what is like super Punky 399 00:26:48,839 --> 00:26:55,200 Piecells was like a really cruel, caustic kind of atmosphere, I mean, 400 00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:56,880 like the conjuring and bad ohen and not far off what you do in terms 401 00:26:56,880 --> 00:27:00,799 of like dark occultism. Yeah, exactly, yeah, I would say so, 402 00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:03,519 I think, Yeah, piece sales kind of for me falls somewhere like 403 00:27:03,559 --> 00:27:06,680 yeah, like right in the middle of the sound. It bridges the kind 404 00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:12,279 of extreme speed metal chaos of Killed as My Business and the kind of more 405 00:27:12,279 --> 00:27:19,559 precise thrash technical whatever of Rust and Peace, and it just, yeah, 406 00:27:19,599 --> 00:27:25,319 it just fits perfectly right in there. It gets the balance of both both 407 00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:29,400 those great albums. It takes like the best elements of both, and yeah, 408 00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:32,359 it's just it's just such a good album. And yeah, the guitar 409 00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:37,559 playing crazy, the trade offs and the solos, yeah, yeah, I 410 00:27:37,599 --> 00:27:41,079 mean, I really like when some of these kind of classic thrash bands where 411 00:27:41,079 --> 00:27:45,720 we were to really color their stuff with that kind of horror mind's eye storytelling. 412 00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:48,440 Like there's that tapping lead at the start of Devil's Eyeland, which is 413 00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:49,680 a really like dark, ultro fiber kind of song, and it makes me 414 00:27:49,759 --> 00:27:52,200 think of like Alison Hell and those other kind of like a plut examples of 415 00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:55,880 bands doing that. And I always thought this album had a brilliant kind of 416 00:27:56,319 --> 00:28:00,200 horror feeling to it compared to other megaf because obviously the political thing is there, 417 00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:03,119 like you know, the album cover is iconic, but this album is 418 00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:06,960 so oppressive that it kind of doubles up as something else where you mentioned Good 419 00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:10,720 Morning, Black Friday. That beginning part always makes me think of like watching 420 00:28:10,759 --> 00:28:15,200 like eighty Stephen King movies or something like it's so subtle and creepy, and 421 00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:19,839 then the rest of the song takes over and easy embodying this like mass Murderer, 422 00:28:19,839 --> 00:28:22,960 and it's as violent as any Sire song. That's like their contribution to 423 00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:26,480 that kind of pleasure to kill, you know, Cannon and he's literally talking 424 00:28:26,519 --> 00:28:30,480 about hammer smashed faces in it. Yeah, this just derange, you know, 425 00:28:30,559 --> 00:28:33,519 hacken slash thrash metal zone. Yeah, and the song structures as well, 426 00:28:33,559 --> 00:28:37,039 I mean yeah, just speaking about Black Friday, it's there's almost like 427 00:28:37,039 --> 00:28:40,960 no kind of like repeating parts, you know, it's kind of like ABCD, 428 00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:44,119 like it just kind of goes on like one part ends, then another 429 00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:48,400 cool riff comes in, ends, then another cool riff comes in and a 430 00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:52,519 lot of a cool thing, which he does in a lot of songs. 431 00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:56,799 It's like the end by just like screaming the song title, like it will 432 00:28:56,839 --> 00:29:02,279 be like a part where he just kind of please please a riff please whatever 433 00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:07,720 part an outrou and it just repeats the Black Friday as a game we're killing 434 00:29:07,759 --> 00:29:11,440 is my business? Keep going back to the previous album as well, stuff 435 00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:15,880 like that. Yeah, I mean, I just love that genuinely demented feel 436 00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:18,599 that this has. Like you can't replicate it just by being heavier or whatever. 437 00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:21,680 You've got to be a little bit fucked in the head to come out 438 00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:26,160 with something like Black Friday, and like the guitar to and us this is 439 00:29:26,319 --> 00:29:29,799 I mean, you talk about, you know, vocally is handing angry. 440 00:29:29,839 --> 00:29:33,200 The fucking guitars sound angry somehow. Like that midpace riff that comes in about 441 00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:38,440 three minutes of the Conjuring is like just an absolute jack hammer. And talking 442 00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:44,480 about the the structuring like wake Up Dead. Yeah, it's the second most 443 00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:47,680 popular song on this album, and there is no opener and it's yeah, 444 00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:49,839 there's there's no verse chorus format to it or anything. It's just like this 445 00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:55,759 weird stream of consciousness of kind of riffing and tempo shifts, and yet they're 446 00:29:55,759 --> 00:29:57,599 also brilliant and so catchy that you'd think it had to be you know, 447 00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:00,400 laid out in such a perfect way. Yeah, And I get in the 448 00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:06,559 opening to the album, it's if you want to like compare it to like, 449 00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:08,759 yeah, metallic ats the complete opposite metallic. At this point, we're 450 00:30:08,799 --> 00:30:15,680 doing opening like with battery or fight fire with fire, like acoustic, big 451 00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:19,799 big build up openings. Wake Up Dead literally just starts with the base, 452 00:30:21,119 --> 00:30:26,400 the base and drums like in two seconds in and you're into the the verse. 453 00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:29,559 It's just it's straight into it. And then of course, yeah, 454 00:30:29,559 --> 00:30:33,599 you've got the amazing what do you call the breakdown bridge riff, which is 455 00:30:33,599 --> 00:30:38,599 one of the best thrash riffs I think in my opinion, the um yeah, 456 00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:42,799 the bridge riff to that, yeah, wake Up Dead was one what 457 00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:47,440 I was just like, really again just forget how this album opens, but 458 00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:49,880 just you don't have any build up and again no hooks, nothing like that. 459 00:30:51,119 --> 00:30:55,240 He's just full on like this on sort of weird jagged riffs coming at 460 00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:57,720 you from a different sides again mussing kind of just like rambling bit in a 461 00:30:57,720 --> 00:31:03,880 way that sounds unhinging, a little bit unsettling. Its building to the shouting 462 00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:07,119 the song title at the end, basically over that final riff. And again, 463 00:31:07,279 --> 00:31:10,839 obviously like Pecells is the biggest version of them doing on this record. 464 00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:14,240 But I could have was that that does really kind of get your blood pumping 465 00:31:14,279 --> 00:31:15,839 and kind of get the record off to a really cool start. Yeah, 466 00:31:15,839 --> 00:31:19,559 I mean that opening riff on wake Up Dead it almost like drunkenly stumbles in 467 00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:22,480 like the narrator of the song, and you say, you know, there's 468 00:31:22,519 --> 00:31:26,039 not like a big hook or anything. Secretly, everything Dave Mustaine is doing 469 00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:30,119 is a hook because all over that you know, they said izet with the 470 00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:33,599 boy, like you know who that kind of character is, and yeah, 471 00:31:33,599 --> 00:31:36,759 he's like absolutely not the conventional idea of a good singer, but I think 472 00:31:36,759 --> 00:31:38,440 he uses that to his advantage on this where wake Up Dead becomes this weird, 473 00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:44,880 like bizarre character kind of play and the music matches it. And you 474 00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:47,920 know, within like you said, within twenty five seconds of that song starting, 475 00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:51,799 you've got the first guitar solo on the album, and that feels as 476 00:31:51,839 --> 00:31:56,079 part of the same, you know, bizarre storytelling. As as the vocals. 477 00:31:56,640 --> 00:32:02,400 It really is like a Zarre little world unto itself. How are you 478 00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:07,039 James on that kind of like strange sequence of covers that they had on those 479 00:32:07,039 --> 00:32:09,839 early records, because I ain't superstitious here as a kerbl Yeah, it's it's 480 00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:15,759 probably the letdown for me. It's the worst part of the record for sure. 481 00:32:15,799 --> 00:32:17,880 I still kind of like it. But yeah, yeah, I mean, 482 00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:21,799 yeah, it's not bad, it's just yeah, I can't remember the 483 00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:24,039 last time I listened to it. I don't really yeah, I don't really 484 00:32:24,039 --> 00:32:29,160 listen. I just skipped that one. Every other every other song will be 485 00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:32,759 it's better than covers on the recent records. Yeah, it's true that they 486 00:32:32,759 --> 00:32:38,640 do. On the last one was the Police try paper staying singing the lyrics, 487 00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:43,240 But yeah, I mean, I mean the song fits that. I'm 488 00:32:43,279 --> 00:32:46,119 superstitious it fits kind of probably fits more of the first album to be fair, 489 00:32:46,759 --> 00:32:51,759 with the kind of what would you call it, like bouncy, yeah, 490 00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:53,680 rhythm, It kind of probably fits more on like Killing is My Business. 491 00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:58,440 It's a bit less um. Yeah, I mean it's yeah, like 492 00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:00,319 you said, it's not bad, it's just yeah. I think the rest 493 00:33:00,319 --> 00:33:02,720 of the albums it's called like a ten out of ten from me and then 494 00:33:02,839 --> 00:33:09,799 that that's just kind of the one downside. Yeah, I think like for 495 00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:15,519 me, it kind of fits the I do what was saying about White, 496 00:33:15,519 --> 00:33:16,400 it would fit more Akilling is My Business. But for me, again, 497 00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:20,160 these early records, they kind of have a weird, bizarre personality to them 498 00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:22,400 that it is different than the later ones, and like I think, yeah, 499 00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:24,160 these boots on to them my business probably the best one Anniky in the 500 00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:29,519 UK famously not that great. Um this one I kind of have fun with 501 00:33:29,559 --> 00:33:32,240 it. Yeah, I think it's it's a fun cover. It kind of 502 00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:36,319 sticks out against the sort of the darkness or the rest of the album. 503 00:33:36,319 --> 00:33:39,039 But I did if almost adds to the kind of like unhinged personality where it 504 00:33:39,119 --> 00:33:45,440 kind of like you get this sudden shifting personality on this cover that is way 505 00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:49,480 more flashy and showy but without the menace, but almost kind of makes it 506 00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:52,559 unsettling in a different way. And that how it just kind of snaps on 507 00:33:52,599 --> 00:33:54,480 a dime. Basically, it's kind of manic, like I think a lot 508 00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:59,200 of early Mega Deeth was, And you know when the main reffin bad omen 509 00:33:59,279 --> 00:34:02,599 kicks in and it's just like completely out there, like swinging kind of groove 510 00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:07,079 with like the bass and drums popping everywhere. No one else could do that 511 00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:08,440 at this point in time. Like that makes me think about like Atheist and 512 00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:12,719 those kind of like early jazz like death metal bands you get in the nighties 513 00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:14,960 and stuff, and the funny thing about Meganeth is they have a couple of 514 00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:16,800 different classic lineups I suppose, and the one that everyone can name is you 515 00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:20,639 know, the Rest and Peace one with Matty Freeman and Nick Menza. But 516 00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:24,599 the Chris Poland and Gar Samuelson axis on this is yeah, serious going like 517 00:34:24,599 --> 00:34:28,239 Gar Samuson, particularly to me as a drummer, but like this early incarnation 518 00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:31,239 of Megadeth in general is serious business. Yeah, it's so good and yeah 519 00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:36,440 it's yeah, if you listen to like the isolated drum trucks and stuff of 520 00:34:36,559 --> 00:34:39,239 Gara's drumming on this album, Yeah, it's so good. It's just yeah, 521 00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:43,760 it's just perfect. It's kind of reminds me of the you know, 522 00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:49,800 it's not like the rhythm section. It's not like kind of perfectly in time 523 00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:54,639 and you know, it's loose and it's got a groove and yeah, kind 524 00:34:54,639 --> 00:35:00,400 of remin Yeah, I guess kind of reminds me of like a a more 525 00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:05,280 fucked up Black Sabbath, you know, with the rhythm section being really locked 526 00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:09,599 in and in a groove, but not not like not like a machine. 527 00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:14,280 It's just yeah that on these records, like the Gar records, more than 528 00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:15,880 the you know, the Mensa era. Yeah, but yeah, it's I 529 00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:19,119 mean yeah, and speaking about the yeah, I mean, of course the 530 00:35:19,199 --> 00:35:22,679 base on Peace cells. It's just an iconic thing, like speaking about that 531 00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:29,320 and probably recognizable baseline and metal like it's infuriatingly catchy, isn't it. Yeah, 532 00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:31,599 maybe that or for whom the bell tolls maybe yeah, yeah, that's 533 00:35:31,599 --> 00:35:35,679 that's a fair competition, but maybe it's certainly it's in the conversation. Yeah, 534 00:35:36,159 --> 00:35:37,400 yeah, it's yeah, it's so good and yeah going but yeah that 535 00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:42,719 song ends with the screaming of the song title again in the in the outro 536 00:35:43,679 --> 00:35:46,559 the peace sells part. But yeah, yeah, just like yeah, so 537 00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:51,920 much. Just a great album and it was yet the album that got me 538 00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:55,719 into metal. Um really yeah, that and and just As for All. 539 00:35:55,800 --> 00:36:00,239 I heard them probably a YouTube or something. I heard a couple of songs. 540 00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:05,480 I heard good Morning, Black Friday and probably Peace sales and I heard 541 00:36:05,519 --> 00:36:10,760 Blackened and and just As for All, And yeah, from there, I 542 00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:15,800 just like that metal just clicked for me. And the next day I went 543 00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:21,079 out bought both albums on CD and got into metal from there on in just 544 00:36:22,599 --> 00:36:27,920 started exploring Meg Death Metallica related bands, and yeah, like I said, 545 00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:30,880 like just went on the related videos on YouTube and and all that, and 546 00:36:31,599 --> 00:36:34,760 where do you buying this on CD? Because you're kind of the same age 547 00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:37,480 as maybe did you have that kind of Everyone always complains about the two thousand 548 00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:40,559 and four like remaster versions, but I feel like for us, there were 549 00:36:40,559 --> 00:36:45,719 the versions that we had. Yeah yeah, yeah, the one with like 550 00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:49,239 the Randy Burns mix or something. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that was 551 00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:52,880 the Yeah. I had no idea, you know, I wasn't since I 552 00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:55,840 was just getting into metal. I had no idea, Like you know, 553 00:36:55,960 --> 00:37:00,360 there's like eras of bands and things like that. I didn't know, you 554 00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:02,400 know. I thought it was just like this, just the same band throughout. 555 00:37:02,519 --> 00:37:06,840 So very shortly after this, I found what do you call it, 556 00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:12,199 Cryptic Writings pre owned in the my local record store, and I it was 557 00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:15,760 like two pounds or something, and I bought that, you know, expecting 558 00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:21,320 kind of Yeah, piece sells like extreme thrash, and then it's it's more 559 00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:27,800 of a commercial kind of yeah whatever, kind of Yeah, at least it 560 00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:32,639 wasn't rest. You got trust and Cryptic Writings is problem my second favorite Magdeth 561 00:37:32,679 --> 00:37:37,440 album. Yeah, maybe it's because I got into its second, but yeah, 562 00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:38,639 I think it's Yeah, I think that's a great one, just very 563 00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:45,360 catchy, very great commercial metal. Yeah, I mean I thought they're going 564 00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:46,679 back to this. You know, Pecel was a middle of this kind of 565 00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:50,760 tech thrash mayhem. They do have like the ability to craft just like an 566 00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:54,039 absolute hit. And in terms of yeah, you know Peter songwriting craft, 567 00:37:54,119 --> 00:37:58,480 that is a serious show of intent from this band. And you know, 568 00:37:58,519 --> 00:38:01,079 again they must in on that no other singer would make that song as like 569 00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:05,800 venomous and brash as it is all about. You know, what do you 570 00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:10,400 mean I could have been that president? Yeah, those verses is that, 571 00:38:10,639 --> 00:38:15,800 like the verse are so cartoonists that you've got to really like seethe to sell 572 00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:19,639 those as like something genuine and you know, like his vocal tone or not. 573 00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:22,559 Dave must Day was charged with hate at this time, but this record 574 00:38:22,639 --> 00:38:29,199 like carries itself with the demeanor of someone who means it absolutely Yeah, and 575 00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:30,280 then like you said, that kind of speed up in the last bit of 576 00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:34,119 it. Um the one for that For me on this one of my absolute 577 00:38:34,199 --> 00:38:37,039 all time favorite Meganes songs. I wish they unearthed my last Words, which 578 00:38:37,559 --> 00:38:43,239 goes from one of those like really eerie intros like Black Friday too, just 579 00:38:43,519 --> 00:38:46,800 absolutely exhilarating speed metal toward a force, like the last minute and a half 580 00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:49,480 of that one when they do that that trick again. But for me, 581 00:38:49,599 --> 00:38:52,119 that's the best one. It's unreal. Yeah, yeah, my last Words, 582 00:38:52,119 --> 00:39:00,519 it's basically yeah, it's basically he ripperf like, yeah, it's just 583 00:39:00,599 --> 00:39:02,639 such a yeah, it's just a black a black thrash or if you just 584 00:39:04,079 --> 00:39:07,760 if you put it in that context, gets so good. Um yeah, 585 00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:14,280 and again you're coming out of the the that ominous acoustic or a clean guitar 586 00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:21,199 and truthing. Yeah, an amazing enter the album, like such a good 587 00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:22,440 end. So it's my second favorite song on the record, is my last 588 00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:27,159 Words, because it's just it's really just rollicking and just like you get that 589 00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:30,239 kind of slow burn intro before, it just takes off those riffs and that's 590 00:39:30,679 --> 00:39:34,559 like that's something again where they really swim you over the most where they're just 591 00:39:34,639 --> 00:39:37,360 like lays drifting. You've got this engine kind of roaring in the band and 592 00:39:37,519 --> 00:39:43,480 Mustaine like doing what he does but without like detracting from it, and I 593 00:39:43,559 --> 00:39:45,960 think that's just the truth. They just use really well. This record is 594 00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:50,159 employing Mustange effectively, but on that sort of thing, they just they nail 595 00:39:50,199 --> 00:39:52,960 all those aspects now outside of outside of the title track, it's the one 596 00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:54,719 on this record that kind of like, oh yeah, maybe maybe megaev are 597 00:39:54,800 --> 00:40:00,320 better than you can only pretend classic MegaNet isn't good for so you know, 598 00:40:00,679 --> 00:40:04,280 yeah, I can only hold up my like just like a Mustange and modern 599 00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:07,360 Megade and pretend these these early records aren't fucking great. Yeah, there's a 600 00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:12,159 lot on this record considering it's they're probably there like second most celebrated one overall 601 00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:14,639 that like hasn't got much of a looking over the years. Like I know, 602 00:40:14,679 --> 00:40:16,880 they brought the Conjuring back not long ago after dating years of Dave refused 603 00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:21,960 to play it because it was satanic. But like Devil's Island is like really 604 00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:24,840 catchy and kind of punky. Black Friday is like horrifying. It's a lot 605 00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:28,599 of good stuff on here. Yeah, so good. Yeah, in Devil's 606 00:40:28,599 --> 00:40:32,199 Island, Yet it's about one of my favorite films of all time as well 607 00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:37,519 Pappy on Right, which is also a bonus. Just thought i'd throw that 608 00:40:37,599 --> 00:40:40,280 in there. Yeah, are you a big rattlehead fan, James, Like 609 00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:44,119 I mean you've got a bit of a mascot and the album does look like 610 00:40:44,159 --> 00:40:46,760 amazing this one. Yeah, yeah, what do you mean, am I 611 00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:49,719 a fan of like just the Yeah, I guess, you know, the 612 00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:52,039 mascot and the different sort of you know, cover they've done with him over 613 00:40:52,079 --> 00:40:53,679 the years, like yeah, he's cool with Jim Kids rubbish. Yeah, 614 00:40:54,159 --> 00:40:57,280 no, I love it. I love it when Yeah, they've got the 615 00:40:57,360 --> 00:41:00,519 different versions of them as well. You know, you've got this one where 616 00:41:00,559 --> 00:41:05,159 he's wearing like a I think he's wearing like a suit and tat like yeah, 617 00:41:05,199 --> 00:41:08,360 he's like a yeah like that. And then you've got him um yeah, 618 00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:13,519 going from the going from the first album to this album, the original 619 00:41:13,559 --> 00:41:16,039 cover of the first one, yeah, yeah, and then yeah you've got 620 00:41:16,119 --> 00:41:21,639 on as the the what was he in the so far so good? It's 621 00:41:21,679 --> 00:41:27,400 like a m what's the cover for that one? Again? It's kind of 622 00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:29,800 wit. He's he's holding like a gun, like a flying has a gun. 623 00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:30,920 Yeah, yeah, I can't remember it. Yeah. Then of course 624 00:41:31,039 --> 00:41:35,199 rust in Peace and yeah it's cool, Like I like it when bands like 625 00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:38,000 that, Yeah, like Overkill and Iron Maiden. You know, every album 626 00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:43,719 it's got like the theme of the of the mascot, but just in a 627 00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:45,840 different context, presented a different way. And yeah, it's something I like 628 00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:51,679 to do with hell Ripper. I mean, we don't have a specific kind 629 00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:58,519 of mascot. It's just kind of the goat in general. Um, but 630 00:41:58,599 --> 00:42:00,840 yeah, there's a lot you can do with that. Yeah, yeah, 631 00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:05,760 I like it. I think it's cool. Okay. Our next album is 632 00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:08,599 our first pivot away hard pivot from from where we've been. You've been all 633 00:42:08,639 --> 00:42:13,480 been enjoying the nice thrash metal, tough James. Part of wanting to do 634 00:42:13,599 --> 00:42:15,679 this roulette with you was knowing that you were going to pick some you know, 635 00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:19,119 some cool fast metal stuff because that's what you play. But also you 636 00:42:19,199 --> 00:42:22,679 are quite open about, you know, some of the major reference points and 637 00:42:22,199 --> 00:42:25,000 like inspirations for you have very little to do with that kind of music, 638 00:42:25,039 --> 00:42:27,760 and I was that was surprised that we didn't get you know, it's like 639 00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:30,880 Oasis or the Manic Street Preachers from like as well from what I've seen you 640 00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:36,119 talking about. Yeah, yeah, I love them. Yeah, especially Yeah, 641 00:42:36,159 --> 00:42:38,159 these past year or two especially, I've been listened to so much of 642 00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:43,480 that. And they went to see Liam Gala go Live at neb Worth last 643 00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:47,239 summer. It probably about this time last year or something. Um, yeah, 644 00:42:47,639 --> 00:42:51,119 yeah, I'm into all all sorts of stuff and it's good too, 645 00:42:51,639 --> 00:42:54,000 and it's fun to try and incorporate that into hell Ripper, which I don't. 646 00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:59,000 I've always tried a little bit to do that, but I think yeah, 647 00:42:59,039 --> 00:43:05,639 with the last album, I think I managed a bit more to incorporate 648 00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:13,400 that influence a bit better than before. Well, your next pick is none 649 00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:17,239 other than the Red Hot Chili Peppers and seminal ninety ninety one record Blood Sugar 650 00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:21,119 Sex Magic. Now correct me if I'm wrong here. I can't remember where 651 00:43:21,119 --> 00:43:23,199 I saw this, but other Red Hot Chili Peppers your favorite band, the 652 00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:27,320 R and D's. Yeah, so take that, everybody, the goat vomit 653 00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:30,400 nightmare guy. Here we are, James. I'll me to put some cars 654 00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:35,000 on the table here. In recent years, on the strength of recent material, 655 00:43:35,519 --> 00:43:37,360 by which we really mean most of the twenty first century, we have 656 00:43:37,519 --> 00:43:42,559 not been a very pro Red Hot Chili Peppers podcast. We do an award 657 00:43:42,639 --> 00:43:45,639 show every year where we crown the best and worst stuff, and last year 658 00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:51,960 when they put out those like two seventy five minute records completely independently with no 659 00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:57,400 discussion. Four out of four people we had on the award show Chili Peppers 660 00:43:57,440 --> 00:44:00,280 as the worst band of the year. Red Hot Chili Peppers. Truth, 661 00:44:00,679 --> 00:44:04,400 who exists in the walls of you know, extreme metal? Ah, you're 662 00:44:04,519 --> 00:44:07,519 used to I guess you know, people looking down their noses a bit on 663 00:44:07,599 --> 00:44:10,400 the Red Old Chili Peppers. Absolutely, yeah, no one, Yeah, 664 00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:15,960 I don't really know anyone else that kind of um yeah shares the shares my 665 00:44:16,079 --> 00:44:22,119 love for the band. But yeah, going back, the album is very 666 00:44:22,159 --> 00:44:28,800 metal. There's a key in the magic of this title, so it's right. 667 00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:32,920 Maybe it's basically beheemouth, it's basically a black thrash album. It's yeah, 668 00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:37,400 but yeah, I'm used to kind of yeah. No one's yeah. 669 00:44:37,639 --> 00:44:42,159 No one that I know really kind of likes the Chili Peppers as much as 670 00:44:42,199 --> 00:44:45,079 I do. How are you on there? Like continued output to this day. 671 00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:52,119 I liked the last two albums, not not every track, but there 672 00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:55,960 was a few good ones on there. I'll listen to all of them. 673 00:44:57,840 --> 00:45:02,800 The yeah, but my favorite stuff actually know the whole Yeah, by the 674 00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:08,159 way, is Problem is my favorite album of all time. So so yeah, 675 00:45:08,599 --> 00:45:10,880 I would have picked that here, but it's a little it's a little 676 00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:17,440 less I'm quite glad you didn't different conversation. Yeah, it's a little less. 677 00:45:17,639 --> 00:45:21,599 Um, it's had less of an effect on Hill Ripper. I guess 678 00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:27,880 it's okay. It's more of a pop or whatever you yeah, pop commercial 679 00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:32,280 whatever, sure. Whereas yeah blood Sugars, Yeah, proper like really groovy, 680 00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:38,559 funky heavy heavy in parts. Um yeah yeah, Well, as you 681 00:45:38,599 --> 00:45:40,960 say, we are doing Blood Sugar Sex Magic. And there are there are 682 00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:44,880 two types of Red or Chili Peppers haters in the world. There are those 683 00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:49,119 who take after that famous Nick Cave quote about the worst music playing on the 684 00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:52,960 radio always being the Red or Chili Peppers, and there are those who think 685 00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:54,800 they were a good band who fell off a cliff. I think mostly we 686 00:45:54,920 --> 00:46:00,119 are at least the latter Sam Blood Sugar Sex Match from nine ninety one. 687 00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:04,519 This is a Chili Peppers of another time where maybe some of that spark that 688 00:46:04,599 --> 00:46:09,159 we feel is lacking it is there. Yeah, no that I do really 689 00:46:09,199 --> 00:46:13,400 still like parts of this record. This is, you know, again the 690 00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:16,159 continuing thing on my hate, my own hatred of albums over seventy minutes long. 691 00:46:16,239 --> 00:46:19,880 Yeah you court some have a bad moment to listen to a se album 692 00:46:20,119 --> 00:46:22,320 on a war path. There's just been a lot of them, and this 693 00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:23,559 is let's I mean, this is where I'm like, no, but I 694 00:46:23,639 --> 00:46:27,400 do know there is stuff I do really like on this record that is kind 695 00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:30,719 of undeniable great rock songwriting. So I was kind of like, yeah, 696 00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:34,320 you know, I'm like, of all the Dalku the pepper salags, you 697 00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:37,880 pick, you picked the probably my second favorite of them. Yeah, okay, 698 00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:40,119 so James blood Chucker sets Magic. You said it's not your favorite, 699 00:46:40,119 --> 00:46:43,440 which I kind of assumed it would be when you picked him, but the 700 00:46:43,519 --> 00:46:46,599 one that is the most relevant tell us about your kind of relationship with you 701 00:46:46,639 --> 00:46:50,559 know, I guess you know where you're Red Hot Chili Peppers love sort of 702 00:46:50,599 --> 00:46:52,880 began in general, but then specifically bringing us to this record and why you 703 00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:58,000 picked it. Yeah. Again, probably maybe similar to like the Megadeath Metallica 704 00:46:58,079 --> 00:47:01,719 stuff that Redel Chili Peppers were the first kind of band that I really got 705 00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:07,000 into as a kid. I heard Yeah, I went by the Way came 706 00:47:07,039 --> 00:47:10,320 out, so probably yeah, I say, probably around like two thousand and 707 00:47:10,599 --> 00:47:16,840 three or something. I heard that and I heard the single by the Way, 708 00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:20,239 and I really liked it, Like it like for some reason, it 709 00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:25,039 just stuck with me and they became like my favorite band afterwards. Like just 710 00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:29,119 so I was like what eight years old, seven or eight years old or 711 00:47:29,199 --> 00:47:31,639 something, and I for some reason it just stuck with me, like at 712 00:47:31,719 --> 00:47:36,519 that time, and I it was the first time I'd had like a favorite 713 00:47:36,559 --> 00:47:38,840 band, you know. I listened to music as a kid, like I 714 00:47:39,199 --> 00:47:44,199 always love music, but it would kind of just be like random songs or 715 00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:47,639 whatever. You know, I'd like certain songs, but this was the first 716 00:47:47,679 --> 00:47:52,360 time i'd like gotten into a band. And I remember, yeah, getting 717 00:47:52,679 --> 00:47:59,119 by the Way and the Live at Slaying Castle dvd. M listening to that 718 00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:02,280 and just yeah, just loving it. And I don't know, yeah, 719 00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:07,199 just for some reason just clicked with me, and it's just became my favorite 720 00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:13,480 music. Um and yeah over the years, yeah, you know, I 721 00:48:13,599 --> 00:48:16,679 just just discovered more of their stuff. I went to the I was yeah, 722 00:48:16,679 --> 00:48:19,239 like I said, I was a kid at the time, like seven 723 00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:22,079 eight, so I didn't really use the internet. I didn't know that. 724 00:48:22,679 --> 00:48:28,159 You know that again, different eras different um, different sounds, you know. 725 00:48:28,519 --> 00:48:34,079 So the second album I bought was um, well, the second album 726 00:48:34,119 --> 00:48:42,000 my parents bought for me was one Hot Minute, which was yeah, it 727 00:48:42,159 --> 00:48:44,280 was the only beause I didn't I didn't know, and I was like, 728 00:48:44,639 --> 00:48:46,760 I went to HMV or I think it was a Virgin at the time, 729 00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:52,519 and um, yeah, I was like, oh, I can get a 730 00:48:52,559 --> 00:48:54,559 Red Hut Chili Peppers album. And I didn't know which one to pick. 731 00:48:54,719 --> 00:48:59,199 And I think, yeah, probably for some reason, the the cover art 732 00:48:59,239 --> 00:49:02,159 or something probably stood out to me for some reason, I don't know, 733 00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:07,039 and I got that one and I didn't like it at all. Remember now, 734 00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:09,639 now again it's one of my favorites. I really listen. I absolutely 735 00:49:09,719 --> 00:49:14,800 love it. It's so it's very like heavy metal, like very hard. 736 00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:17,599 Yeah, it's a great album. But yeah, at the time, like 737 00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:21,639 going from yeah, you know I love I love the song that by the 738 00:49:21,719 --> 00:49:25,760 way, and yeah, probably like can't Stop the Zephyr song and all that 739 00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:32,039 kind of stuff, you know, the commercially commercially and accessible ones, and 740 00:49:32,119 --> 00:49:37,079 then go to then here in one Hot Minute where like You've got Warped or 741 00:49:37,159 --> 00:49:40,199 Coffee Shop or something like that, where it's really aggressive and abrasive sounding, 742 00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:45,679 and yeah, I didn't like it, and then yeah, kind of just 743 00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:50,000 I kept I just went on from there like I had friends at the time 744 00:49:50,079 --> 00:49:52,840 that we're into the band, and they kind of they knew a bit. 745 00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:55,400 They were a bit older, so they knew a bit more about the band 746 00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:58,199 and all that, and they were like, oh, you should listen to 747 00:49:59,079 --> 00:50:01,480 you know this, this album, this has got under the bridge on it 748 00:50:01,599 --> 00:50:08,360 and give it away of course. And yeah, I just got into all 749 00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:14,360 the commercially kind of the commercial songs, like the kind of popular ones. 750 00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:17,239 And then yeah, now all my favorite, all my least favorite songs are 751 00:50:17,280 --> 00:50:21,880 probably the commercial ones. Like maybe it's because I've heard them too much or 752 00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:24,960 maybe yeah, I don't know, but yeah, like this album's just packed 753 00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:32,320 with amazing songs to me, just like good hard rock songs with amazing guitar, 754 00:50:32,719 --> 00:50:38,199 especially the guitar that appealed to me a lot John Frushanton just yeah, 755 00:50:38,519 --> 00:50:44,280 great guitar, and the backing vocals as well, like the harmonies. I 756 00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:46,320 love the Beatles as well. When I was that was one of the first 757 00:50:46,360 --> 00:50:52,119 bands I got into as well, The Beatles and maybe the harmonies of the 758 00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:57,239 vocals kind of maybe something about that appeals to me. I don't know. 759 00:50:57,880 --> 00:51:00,159 Yeah, I also have a kind of early association the record in the My 760 00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:04,719 My, My drum teacher. I as a teenager almost I was like exercises 761 00:51:04,840 --> 00:51:07,239 kind of taught me like a bunch of the beats from this record, because 762 00:51:07,239 --> 00:51:09,239 they almost work as like warm ups and stuff. And still to this day, 763 00:51:09,239 --> 00:51:13,280 if I sit behind a kit and I just need to like instinctively bring 764 00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:15,519 something to mind to warm up, it might be like, okay, mellowship, 765 00:51:15,559 --> 00:51:16,679 slinky and be in B major, I kind of get going immediately, 766 00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:20,119 or like that stuttering high hat beat in the title track, like it's full 767 00:51:20,119 --> 00:51:22,480 of little stuff that's like that that kind of catches the ear. And then 768 00:51:22,519 --> 00:51:24,480 there's Breaking the Girl, which has almost like you know, a nebriate and 769 00:51:24,559 --> 00:51:28,880 kind of rolling like tom beat in that song, and I think that's the 770 00:51:28,920 --> 00:51:31,079 stuff where, you know, that's like an acoustic song, but it's not 771 00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:34,880 a really you know, stiff, wet ballad or anything. It's got this 772 00:51:35,079 --> 00:51:38,559 very textured, evocative, you know, it's got the kind of melotron flute 773 00:51:38,599 --> 00:51:40,920 sounds, and I think, you know, the quieter songs in this kind 774 00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:44,800 of era, they have that sort of, you know, that nineties alternative 775 00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:49,440 kind of mood to them that kind of works with what was going on at 776 00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:51,840 the time. But again, you look at that drum part from Chad Underneathan, 777 00:51:51,880 --> 00:51:53,280 It's like, how did you come up with something like that for like 778 00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:57,280 a song like this, and it's got this really topsy turvy drum beat, 779 00:51:57,280 --> 00:52:00,559 Like there's there's a lot of invention in the Chili pep Is at this point 780 00:52:00,559 --> 00:52:02,840 in time. Yeah, I think so. Yeah, And like again with 781 00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:08,360 the there's quite a few quieter songs, and yeah, I think the best 782 00:52:08,440 --> 00:52:13,920 one or one of the best quieter songs sold to Squeeze, like wasn't even 783 00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:17,079 on the album. It was they decided they had enough quiet songs, so 784 00:52:17,119 --> 00:52:20,920 they voted that one out. And I think that's a lot of people's favorite 785 00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:23,920 songs from that era out of the quiet ones. But yeah, even the 786 00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:30,400 B sides as well, Like they've got Sick of Mechanico if that's what it's 787 00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:36,480 called it it's just a yeah, it's key just talking it whatever. Yeah, 788 00:52:36,760 --> 00:52:39,119 whatever. Again, it's got those of Kay's in it black metal stuff. 789 00:52:40,599 --> 00:52:45,480 But yeah, that's like that's like super punky, super super hard, 790 00:52:45,559 --> 00:52:49,039 super fast. Yeah, I love it. Yeah, there's a lot of 791 00:52:49,079 --> 00:52:52,639 cool stuff going on and with the production as well, which I didn't notice 792 00:52:52,679 --> 00:52:54,239 that the like as I was younger, but as I listened to this album 793 00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:57,800 more, there's a lot of cool stuff you know, going on in like 794 00:52:57,920 --> 00:53:04,079 your different speakers and in the back ground that you don't really hear, which 795 00:53:04,599 --> 00:53:07,039 yeah, appeals to me. And yeah, bringing it back to hell Ripper 796 00:53:07,159 --> 00:53:12,039 that the production as well influenced this new album, just having stuff in the 797 00:53:12,079 --> 00:53:19,360 background kind of creating atmosphere similar to a lot of like the nineties albums, 798 00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:23,039 you know, just quite atmospheric with the production, I think, which, 799 00:53:23,880 --> 00:53:29,239 yeah, it's just something I like, it's one of those albums that you 800 00:53:29,320 --> 00:53:31,760 kind of like, it's kind of crazy that this album is as big as 801 00:53:31,800 --> 00:53:35,320 it is because it's so dense and has so much going on. It's like 802 00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:38,360 say, seventy two minutes long, full of all of these different moving parts 803 00:53:38,440 --> 00:53:45,079 and so like production touches alongside some like really out there musical ideas with the 804 00:53:45,519 --> 00:53:49,400 rhythms and guitar lines that like it feels and was countintruited for this to be 805 00:53:49,599 --> 00:53:52,159 one of the biggest rock amms ever, But then you've got give it away 806 00:53:52,239 --> 00:53:58,519 and the vision just like undeniable kind of like commercial rock hits all in there 807 00:53:58,599 --> 00:54:02,559 and in this like weird psychedelic seven minute opens it is. It does going 808 00:54:02,599 --> 00:54:07,800 to hold a real impressive craft of it in that way. Yeah, yeah, 809 00:54:07,079 --> 00:54:10,440 yeah, like you see just the trucks like under the Bridge or give 810 00:54:10,440 --> 00:54:15,920 it away, like yeah, massive, massively accessible, very successful and a 811 00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:19,960 probably a good choice that they were kind of the singles rather than maybe something 812 00:54:20,039 --> 00:54:23,480 like Sir Psycle Sexy, which might not might not have went down too well 813 00:54:23,559 --> 00:54:27,719 on reading, yeah or whatever. I guess, you know, the kind 814 00:54:27,719 --> 00:54:30,519 of the heavy funk grooves were, like you know, how fat and loud 815 00:54:30,639 --> 00:54:32,239 the basslines are. They do have a sonic power to them that makes sense 816 00:54:32,280 --> 00:54:37,280 on like a hard rock kind of numb like, you know, largely I 817 00:54:37,360 --> 00:54:39,320 agree with what you're saying about the singles being some of my least favorites on 818 00:54:39,360 --> 00:54:43,679 this. The exception is my probable favorite Chili Pepper song is Suck My Kiss, 819 00:54:44,119 --> 00:54:46,679 just for pure boisterous energy on it. Yeah, because the bass groove 820 00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:50,679 just like slaps your teeth in when when it comes in. It's almost like 821 00:54:50,800 --> 00:54:53,559 punk in attitude in terms of like how agro and like throwing its weight around 822 00:54:54,000 --> 00:54:58,840 it is. They're playing and hitting so hard on even key of this with 823 00:54:58,920 --> 00:55:01,360 that you know, suck mark a chorus delivery like it's yeah, so smacker 824 00:55:01,400 --> 00:55:05,400 of a tune. Yeah, and the like the guitar solos and that and 825 00:55:05,440 --> 00:55:09,960 stuff are just like like chaos as well, like yeah, yeah, I 826 00:55:10,039 --> 00:55:14,159 mean yeah, it's a great one. Um yeah almost, I think, 827 00:55:14,280 --> 00:55:16,760 yeah, almost all the songs I like, and again, probably the letdown 828 00:55:16,800 --> 00:55:22,039 for me and this one is the cover of their Red Hot, which I 829 00:55:22,119 --> 00:55:23,719 mean it's what it's like one minute long and it's right at the end of 830 00:55:23,760 --> 00:55:27,880 the album after what I think, right, I'd basically treat that as an 831 00:55:27,880 --> 00:55:31,840 outrav in it yeah, yeah, so yes or Psycho Sex is like the 832 00:55:31,960 --> 00:55:36,639 perfect end of the album. I think, like one of my favorite bits 833 00:55:36,679 --> 00:55:40,360 of music is that like end guitar solo thing that sounds like Jimmy Hendrix. 834 00:55:40,559 --> 00:55:45,760 Yeah, and then it comes into their Red Hot for one minute and it 835 00:55:45,840 --> 00:55:50,000 doesn't really add anything, and yeah, the album's already what's seventy two minutes 836 00:55:50,039 --> 00:55:52,559 long at that point or something. Yeah, and like it's like that's like 837 00:55:52,679 --> 00:55:57,079 a sexy I totally forgot because a record that I have like listened to a 838 00:55:57,159 --> 00:56:00,239 lot more than this one, honestly is The Predator by Ice Cube, which 839 00:56:00,280 --> 00:56:02,360 is one of my favorite hip Hop Records, and the baseline of the psychosexy 840 00:56:02,480 --> 00:56:05,960 is used in You Were Going to Take My Life by Ice Q, And 841 00:56:06,079 --> 00:56:07,639 I guess that's like a degree of you know, credit. If your baseline 842 00:56:07,719 --> 00:56:10,599 is slick enough for a member of NWA to want to wrap over it, 843 00:56:12,320 --> 00:56:16,360 you've probably done something pretty decent. Yeah, I mean, yeah, everyone, 844 00:56:17,119 --> 00:56:21,920 I think everyone agrees that, like Flea is just Flees one of the 845 00:56:22,199 --> 00:56:25,199 like the best basis like ever, I mean, like again in this era 846 00:56:25,280 --> 00:56:28,519 when they're all like at the peak of their powers. Yeah, it's a 847 00:56:28,559 --> 00:56:34,639 pretty unfuckable with record in that regard. Yeah, that whole period, like 848 00:56:34,760 --> 00:56:38,559 the kind of I mean, the whole early days, but like especially I 849 00:56:38,679 --> 00:56:44,920 think the Mother's Milk and the Blood Sugar, Sex Magic, the Psychedelic sex 850 00:56:45,039 --> 00:56:51,320 Funk era. Um. Yeah, it's just like extreme energy just like just 851 00:56:51,679 --> 00:56:59,360 yeah, it's just crazy energy and really infectious and really yeah just yeah just 852 00:56:59,480 --> 00:57:04,280 kind of makes it makes makes the good songs even better just because of how 853 00:57:06,599 --> 00:57:10,920 with conviction they're played. Yeah. I say, it's just like Meganeth, 854 00:57:10,920 --> 00:57:15,079 where like the only thing you can really fault on it is the vocals because 855 00:57:15,079 --> 00:57:17,840 the band are so kind of on ten and doing really interesting, unique, 856 00:57:17,840 --> 00:57:21,599 creative stuff that I'm kind of like, I don't see how anyone can musically 857 00:57:22,159 --> 00:57:23,760 find fault with this record. Again, if you're an antiqu Key this is 858 00:57:23,880 --> 00:57:27,159 you know, going to rub you the wrong way with his vocals and lyrics, 859 00:57:27,239 --> 00:57:30,000 but when everything else around it is so fun, creative and interesting, 860 00:57:30,239 --> 00:57:34,840 even like some of his vocal hooks actually then like when they really sink up 861 00:57:34,840 --> 00:57:37,159 with the music, even though I'm like, I don't know how you could 862 00:57:37,199 --> 00:57:38,519 have a problem with this, like how does he roll his rs in the 863 00:57:38,599 --> 00:57:45,239 words give it away? He's baffling, They're not there, Like if you 864 00:57:45,320 --> 00:57:47,159 are just like Dead Scent set against the Chili Peppers kind of you know, 865 00:57:47,280 --> 00:57:51,000 as a rule, like keyts on that song will probably be like a night 866 00:57:51,119 --> 00:57:52,679 Terror too, I think generally, again, when he locks in with what's 867 00:57:52,719 --> 00:57:57,800 going on, it works super well. And the way like the Chili Pepper 868 00:57:57,800 --> 00:58:00,440 to day are like the least cool thing I could imagine. They sound cool 869 00:58:00,519 --> 00:58:04,880 when they're locked in or like a groove like the power of Equality or whatever. 870 00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:07,039 And there's something about, you know, the songs on this record and 871 00:58:07,159 --> 00:58:10,159 the way they sequence together where it almost feels like a kind of stream of 872 00:58:10,239 --> 00:58:15,320 consciousness jam session that ended up producing these massive singles like the way You've Got 873 00:58:15,599 --> 00:58:16,920 if you have to ask, kind of flowing out with the parrot of equality, 874 00:58:16,920 --> 00:58:20,760 and you know you've got Chad doing his thing, Fleid and his thing 875 00:58:21,239 --> 00:58:24,159 for Shanty doing his and it's obviously like lesser conventional rock guitar riff there as 876 00:58:24,239 --> 00:58:28,599 we might think of a sort of a more textural thing. And then there 877 00:58:28,760 --> 00:58:30,039 you do have this kind of laid back delivery from Key This which is really 878 00:58:30,079 --> 00:58:34,519 slacking and casual and almost feels like you could be in the room like listening 879 00:58:34,559 --> 00:58:39,079 to this come together in like completely in in real time. Yeah yeah, 880 00:58:39,079 --> 00:58:43,840 I would agree with that, yeah yeah. And then um, like it 881 00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:45,960 is a long record. I mean, part of it's kind of like that 882 00:58:45,119 --> 00:58:49,760 nineties CD era when they like stop thinking about fitting things to vinyl or whatever 883 00:58:49,840 --> 00:58:52,480 and just got well long. But it is such an organic album with a 884 00:58:52,559 --> 00:58:53,559 real sense of the kind of players in the room together that it makes it 885 00:58:53,719 --> 00:58:57,960 much more listening to build me like if you've got to give some credits to 886 00:58:57,960 --> 00:59:00,159 like Ruben as well, because it is, like I saying, it's I'm 887 00:59:00,159 --> 00:59:05,119 acculately produced record and it is unfathomable how it massive it got them, like 888 00:59:05,119 --> 00:59:07,360 obviously he goes even further when you get to like Californication and by the way, 889 00:59:07,440 --> 00:59:10,360 but like the mega hit on this particular record is a course under the 890 00:59:10,400 --> 00:59:14,400 Bridge. I'm largely kind of non plustered by that song. I'm more drawn 891 00:59:14,400 --> 00:59:15,119 to, you know, than more liquid kind of grooves then you know, 892 00:59:15,800 --> 00:59:20,320 acoustic guitar Buy a fire on the beach in California with a fucking flower crown 893 00:59:20,360 --> 00:59:22,320 on my head or whatever. But like over a billion plays on Spotify that 894 00:59:22,400 --> 00:59:28,880 song. Wow, well that's crazy. I still want a bit of a 895 00:59:28,880 --> 00:59:30,519 soft spat front of the bridge, like like again, I don't need to 896 00:59:30,639 --> 00:59:35,079 like go out, doesn't it if it's coming on, like I'll find myself 897 00:59:35,119 --> 00:59:37,960 singing along with it, like the moment that chorus comes in, just out 898 00:59:37,960 --> 00:59:40,400 of instinct, almost like like an imposer can't fight. Yeah, James, 899 00:59:40,719 --> 00:59:45,000 are you a fan of a Anthony Kidis the lyricist? Sometimes? I mean 900 00:59:47,920 --> 00:59:52,639 I think as well, it goes it kind of goes with what I like 901 00:59:52,760 --> 00:59:55,159 and metal as well, like again going with the hill Rupper stuff, but 902 00:59:55,559 --> 01:00:00,519 just a completely different like theme. I do like some over the top like 903 01:00:00,679 --> 01:00:05,000 nonsense like sometimes, you know, sometimes it is just fun to um. 904 01:00:05,639 --> 01:00:07,000 You know. Sometimes I'll have the songs you know that are a bit more 905 01:00:07,280 --> 01:00:10,719 serious, you know, like on the new album you get You've got like 906 01:00:10,800 --> 01:00:15,079 knuckle a van, You've got whatever. But sometimes it is fun just to 907 01:00:15,719 --> 01:00:20,159 bust out none fucking Armageddon six six six or something like, you know, 908 01:00:20,320 --> 01:00:28,280 just some over the top. Yeah, I guess more ridiculous fun type stuff. 909 01:00:28,519 --> 01:00:32,480 Yeah, so shut loosing your inhibitions basically like to worry about anything. 910 01:00:32,679 --> 01:00:37,360 Twinkled Twinkle, little star shining down on my blue car driving down the boulevard. 911 01:00:37,480 --> 01:00:39,360 She was soft and I was hard rocking to the beat of the funky 912 01:00:39,400 --> 01:00:44,840 ass meters. She has one of those built in heaters, like it's the 913 01:00:44,920 --> 01:00:47,280 chicken Chicken d do you mean like a banshee in something like kiss just makes 914 01:00:47,280 --> 01:00:50,880 me laugh every time, like creamy beaver, hotter than a fever. I'm 915 01:00:50,880 --> 01:00:52,760 a given because she's the receiver, like he's He's a silly chap, isn't 916 01:00:52,800 --> 01:00:57,280 he? There is like there's a humorous disconnect between that and like you said, 917 01:00:57,280 --> 01:00:59,880 like hold on earlier, you were kind of all sensitive looking for like 918 01:00:59,920 --> 01:01:04,880 a long term relationship. Yeah, yeah, I mean yeah, the contrast 919 01:01:04,960 --> 01:01:07,960 between yeah, I could have lied or whatever and Psycho say coming to media 920 01:01:08,000 --> 01:01:12,639 that have sucked my kiss is the one that just so I can't bind him 921 01:01:12,679 --> 01:01:15,000 being serious and I could have lied. Yeah, so jar I kind of 922 01:01:15,039 --> 01:01:19,440 treat him as a cartoon person, like I can't do him seriously, adds 923 01:01:19,440 --> 01:01:22,719 All. Yeah, I mean yeah, some of the lyrics are ridiculous, 924 01:01:22,760 --> 01:01:24,800 but I mean I don't know, it just it works for the band, 925 01:01:24,840 --> 01:01:31,960 like I can't imagine like any other other like vocalist or whatever. Like yeah, 926 01:01:32,320 --> 01:01:35,920 like again, like you know, like you might you might not be 927 01:01:35,960 --> 01:01:40,239 a fan of his voice or whatever, but it's he's he's recognizable. It's 928 01:01:43,280 --> 01:01:45,599 yeah, he's just got like his own thing. Like he certainly as a 929 01:01:45,639 --> 01:01:47,440 knack for like you know, catch a little vocal with rains, give it 930 01:01:47,480 --> 01:01:51,199 away and stuff. Like when he's almost got like the rhythm of the vocalist, 931 01:01:51,280 --> 01:01:53,280 he's just saying words that fit in with that just so there is a 932 01:01:53,400 --> 01:01:57,360 vocal doesn't matter if it makes sense, but he's just gonna this is gonna, 933 01:01:57,400 --> 01:02:00,000 you know, stick in your ear. Just the flow of these works. 934 01:02:00,559 --> 01:02:01,760 Yeah, I mean, yeah, a lot of the things when you're 935 01:02:01,800 --> 01:02:07,039 like reading the lyrics. Sometimes you sometimes like things just seem so unrelated or 936 01:02:07,159 --> 01:02:13,039 random or whatever, but there could be a reason for them. You know, 937 01:02:13,079 --> 01:02:15,840 it might just be a little subtle. You've got to dig deep into 938 01:02:15,880 --> 01:02:21,760 the poetry. Yeah, exactly. There's been like the most removed from the 939 01:02:21,840 --> 01:02:24,159 sound of Hell Ripper pick that you've brought forward. I'm sure people will be 940 01:02:24,239 --> 01:02:28,800 curious, you know, where direct influence will be and you're playing a songwriting 941 01:02:28,800 --> 01:02:30,800 and stuff. You mentioned some of the production, but you know, how 942 01:02:30,840 --> 01:02:35,559 does someone who like favorite guitarists John for Shanty come to making the kind of 943 01:02:35,639 --> 01:02:37,920 music that you make and applying that as an influence. Yeah, so, 944 01:02:38,079 --> 01:02:40,239 I mean some of the guitar if you listen to Hell Ripper, there's a 945 01:02:40,320 --> 01:02:46,159 lot of them. I get, like, like the funk style, so 946 01:02:46,400 --> 01:02:52,239 I like to, you know, mute the strings with my left hand instead 947 01:02:52,239 --> 01:02:57,559 of the right hand, so the right hand is constantly like just going like 948 01:02:57,760 --> 01:03:02,119 just playing a lot in the left hand kind of dictates the rhythm by muting 949 01:03:02,199 --> 01:03:08,599 it, especially in a lot of my guitar solos. You might again it's 950 01:03:08,639 --> 01:03:14,880 like just using it in the Helleper context. You probably can't tell just because 951 01:03:14,880 --> 01:03:19,079 of Yeah, just because it's put in such a different context. But yeah, 952 01:03:19,239 --> 01:03:22,360 I know it's something that I'm conscious of just because I know how I 953 01:03:22,480 --> 01:03:25,280 learned to play guitar and how I'm using my own techniques. But yeah, 954 01:03:25,360 --> 01:03:30,039 especially in the lead guitar, rhythm guitar as well. But the solos, 955 01:03:30,079 --> 01:03:36,599 there's a lot of rhythms, a lot of things that don't start on the 956 01:03:36,719 --> 01:03:39,760 beat. They start like on the like just after the beat or whatever, 957 01:03:42,960 --> 01:03:45,840 like a riff, the bridge riff to all hell the Goat for example, 958 01:03:45,920 --> 01:03:50,760 it's kind of a weird rhythm. What else Hell's rock and roll? The 959 01:03:52,199 --> 01:04:00,119 second solos, like you can hear you can hear that kind of what to 960 01:04:00,199 --> 01:04:02,360 call it, the yeah, the right hand the left hand muting thing. 961 01:04:03,679 --> 01:04:10,039 But yeah, so yeah, especially the guitar playing, you know. Yeah, 962 01:04:10,119 --> 01:04:12,639 and like I mentioned before, the production on this album, like I 963 01:04:12,760 --> 01:04:15,840 love the drum sound on this The snare is huge, Yeah to me. 964 01:04:17,039 --> 01:04:19,199 Yeah, a lot of stuff going on in the background that you might not 965 01:04:19,320 --> 01:04:24,000 hear. You know, there's like random piano notes sometimes that just kind of 966 01:04:24,119 --> 01:04:30,760 accent the guitar. You know, similar to what Metallica did on what was 967 01:04:30,800 --> 01:04:32,840 the song Welcome Home? You know, the first note is a piano note 968 01:04:32,920 --> 01:04:38,800 underneath the guitar. Just add something and little things like that. You know, 969 01:04:38,960 --> 01:04:46,239 it might not be super obvious or whatever, but you know it's that's 970 01:04:46,760 --> 01:04:51,239 that's just where I get some of my ideas. Yeah, yeah, listening 971 01:04:51,320 --> 01:04:56,480 to a guy explained how he applied the lessons of sas like house Xy to 972 01:04:56,599 --> 01:05:00,320 a song called all Hail the Gout. I hope is the ba for your 973 01:05:00,320 --> 01:05:02,639 buck that people feel they get with this podcast. All right, your next 974 01:05:02,719 --> 01:05:05,760 two picks are what I'm going to call with your bloody well timed picks because 975 01:05:05,840 --> 01:05:10,559 this weekend Grave Pleasures have released a new album and Cannibal Corps have been touring 976 01:05:10,559 --> 01:05:13,880 in the UK. So I've been very much enjoying these things. Anyway. 977 01:05:14,119 --> 01:05:17,679 Cannibal Corps and a Visceration Plague is where we go next. And you know 978 01:05:17,719 --> 01:05:20,639 what we were saying about, kind of picking some classic bands, but being 979 01:05:20,719 --> 01:05:24,199 quite pleased to get to talk about some of the albums in particular that you 980 01:05:24,280 --> 01:05:28,199 brought forward. None more so than this really, because Cannibal Corps are like 981 01:05:28,320 --> 01:05:31,840 the final word in death metal. They are absolutely out of questionable. If 982 01:05:31,880 --> 01:05:35,280 you like death metal, then you know them, and no one has represented 983 01:05:35,320 --> 01:05:41,039 death metal over thirty five years quite like Cannibal Corps. A lot of albums 984 01:05:41,119 --> 01:05:45,239 though, you know, won't get their time in the press, no retrospective 985 01:05:45,280 --> 01:05:47,239 looks or anything like that, and a Visceration Plague is one of those kind 986 01:05:47,239 --> 01:05:50,800 of less poured over gems that might get lost. Yeah, yeah, I 987 01:05:50,960 --> 01:05:55,800 was. I was actually looking at the Metal Archives reviews and like all of 988 01:05:55,880 --> 01:06:00,519 their like last whatever albums are like very consistent, like a eighty three or 989 01:06:00,599 --> 01:06:05,079 something eighty three percent average, and this one's slightly less than seventy nine. 990 01:06:05,199 --> 01:06:09,800 I mean, Cannibal Corps are very consistent. So yeah, yeah, but 991 01:06:09,880 --> 01:06:13,039 yeah, this seems to be like the kind of least liked out of the 992 01:06:13,159 --> 01:06:19,679 more recent albums, which I don't understand. Personally, it's my favorite Cannibal 993 01:06:19,719 --> 01:06:23,840 Corps album. Again, maybe a lot of these albums that I'm picking. 994 01:06:23,880 --> 01:06:27,239 Maybe it's because it's the first one I got into, so it's you know, 995 01:06:27,280 --> 01:06:30,440 it's nostalgia or it's whatever. But for me, the songs on this 996 01:06:30,519 --> 01:06:35,519 album are just catchy, like they're I mean, all the Cannibal Corps albums 997 01:06:35,559 --> 01:06:42,239 are heavy, but this album is heavy and the most catchy, and yeah, 998 01:06:43,079 --> 01:06:46,159 yeah, it's just a great album for me. I was kind of 999 01:06:46,199 --> 01:06:49,719 wondering because I listened to the two Cannibal Corps records either side of this one 1000 01:06:49,760 --> 01:06:54,360 before, but never because it's again, like you see people rave about Kio. 1001 01:06:54,519 --> 01:06:58,239 Torture was the first Cannibal Cooks record I could have listened to as a 1002 01:06:58,280 --> 01:07:00,639 sort of metal fan when it came out out, and so and then I'd 1003 01:07:00,679 --> 01:07:02,760 never kind of bother to go back to this one, And so I stuck 1004 01:07:02,800 --> 01:07:05,760 on for this, and I was like, why is this one overlooked? 1005 01:07:06,800 --> 01:07:11,119 It was like, Cannibal Corpse fucking rule, and this is every bit as 1006 01:07:11,159 --> 01:07:13,960 good as all of the other recent Cannibal Corpse records I've listened too. So 1007 01:07:14,039 --> 01:07:16,800 I was just gonna, like really surprised that this is over look because like 1008 01:07:17,039 --> 01:07:19,519 the moment Priests of Sodom starts, and I'm just like, yeah, here 1009 01:07:19,559 --> 01:07:23,719 we go. Here's the brutal riffs, the drumming riffs that the drummings are 1010 01:07:23,760 --> 01:07:28,599 just like pulverizing you corpse kind vocals having like a real clarity and purpose while 1011 01:07:28,599 --> 01:07:31,320 still being just brutal as fuck. It's It's everything I want again, the 1012 01:07:31,400 --> 01:07:34,239 definite one. I was like, I was kinda hoping you would be able 1013 01:07:34,280 --> 01:07:38,840 to expabe me why this is the kind of like Black Sheep of almost like 1014 01:07:38,920 --> 01:07:42,880 the more recent Cannibal Corpse records, or like IPEC that's more recent but like 1015 01:07:43,000 --> 01:07:45,639 last year and fifteen years of Cannibal Corpse records. Yeah, I mean, 1016 01:07:45,679 --> 01:07:48,800 yeah, I've got no idea why this is the like the least liked or 1017 01:07:48,880 --> 01:07:51,320 most overlooked or whatever you would say, like yeah, like I say, 1018 01:07:51,360 --> 01:07:58,480 it's my favorite and I can't really tell. I mean, it's it's just 1019 01:07:58,639 --> 01:08:01,480 Cannibal Corpse but in it, yeah, it's Yeah, I've got no idea. 1020 01:08:01,599 --> 01:08:04,840 I mean yeah, yeah, I guess like Cannibal Corps in general, 1021 01:08:04,880 --> 01:08:10,119 I mean like like brutal kind of Florida or New York death metal, I 1022 01:08:10,199 --> 01:08:13,840 guess is one of the areas of extreme metal that you might not so immediately 1023 01:08:13,960 --> 01:08:15,560 hear in Hell Ripper. It probably makes more sense than the metal Chili Peppers, 1024 01:08:15,600 --> 01:08:19,600 but they're kind of major points where you're taking cues from from Cannibal Corps 1025 01:08:19,640 --> 01:08:24,239 and a record like this, Yeah, I think especially this is the album 1026 01:08:24,279 --> 01:08:27,960 that got me into extreme metal, like as a whole other than Thrash, 1027 01:08:28,000 --> 01:08:30,760 if you want to count that but like death metal, black metal stuff, 1028 01:08:30,479 --> 01:08:35,800 this is the album that got me into it because of the catchy I mean, 1029 01:08:35,840 --> 01:08:43,239 it's like to me, like it's accessible, like with like for death 1030 01:08:43,279 --> 01:08:46,000 metal, for metal standards, it's it's accessible. It's like really, it's 1031 01:08:46,039 --> 01:08:54,319 just so catchy. M there's choruses, memorable choruses, memorable hooks, and 1032 01:08:54,880 --> 01:09:00,359 that was something that appealed to me from the start. Like it with me 1033 01:09:00,840 --> 01:09:03,800 because yeah, when I was when did this album come out? Nine, 1034 01:09:04,159 --> 01:09:08,720 two thousand nine, I think yeah, um, so I probably got into 1035 01:09:08,800 --> 01:09:12,840 them probably two thousand and ten or something. It was it was in between 1036 01:09:12,920 --> 01:09:17,079 this and Torture that I discovered this, and I was always of the kind 1037 01:09:17,159 --> 01:09:21,760 of um mindset, you know, like death metal and stuff. It's just 1038 01:09:23,399 --> 01:09:27,880 it's just it's just screaming, like it's there's no tune. It's just it's 1039 01:09:28,119 --> 01:09:30,920 noise. It's horrible, you know. And then one of my friends was 1040 01:09:30,960 --> 01:09:33,319 like, I'll try this, like and um, I think it was too 1041 01:09:33,399 --> 01:09:41,359 decomposed and that's got like one of the coolest rhythms, Like it's it's such 1042 01:09:41,399 --> 01:09:44,920 a it's not what you would think like when you hear if someone said I'll 1043 01:09:44,960 --> 01:09:47,520 listen to this death metal, and I heard that it's like it's so catchy. 1044 01:09:47,600 --> 01:09:51,399 You can sing it, you can hum along to it, you can 1045 01:09:51,479 --> 01:09:56,720 even dance to it if you want, like um, So that is what 1046 01:09:56,920 --> 01:10:01,520 like kind of stuck out and yeah again affected my songwriting heavily because I realized 1047 01:10:01,560 --> 01:10:10,000 you can make heavy, brutal stuff catchy and accessible yeah sounding. So their 1048 01:10:10,119 --> 01:10:16,039 songwriting in that respect, it's just it's what I think it's influenced Hill Ripper. 1049 01:10:16,720 --> 01:10:19,199 I'm with you that. I think me and you probably got into Cannibal 1050 01:10:19,199 --> 01:10:23,399 Corpse at Basic at the exact same time because this was the latest one when 1051 01:10:23,399 --> 01:10:26,800 I got into them. The title track was one of the first songs that 1052 01:10:26,840 --> 01:10:29,640 I really fell in love with, Like that song is a total classic now 1053 01:10:29,840 --> 01:10:31,439 and to gate when it was fresh. But like the album overall is quite 1054 01:10:31,439 --> 01:10:34,479 overlooked. I like it more than Kill personally, and I think it is 1055 01:10:34,840 --> 01:10:39,039 this first run of work, Yeah, this first run of working with Rutan 1056 01:10:39,079 --> 01:10:41,760 when they'd kill of this ration and torture for me and they get better on 1057 01:10:41,840 --> 01:10:45,920 everyone with those And like again, Cannibal Corps were like an exposure point to 1058 01:10:46,359 --> 01:10:50,039 something totally new. Was there kind of I guess with everything that comes with 1059 01:10:50,199 --> 01:10:53,880 Cannibal Corpse in terms of the ascetic and everything like, because they are I 1060 01:10:53,920 --> 01:10:57,439 guess the first band to go full on with like the horror and gore and 1061 01:10:57,439 --> 01:11:00,920 stuff that most people come across and when or young, I mean even now 1062 01:11:00,960 --> 01:11:03,319 to a degree, but there is a sense of something quite taboo and genuinely 1063 01:11:03,399 --> 01:11:08,119 scary that you shouldn't be listening to about it. Yeah, I mean it 1064 01:11:08,239 --> 01:11:14,119 always helps when you're fifteen years old and you can wear a boochered at birth 1065 01:11:14,199 --> 01:11:16,439 t shirt, you know, yeah, like you can be like, you 1066 01:11:16,520 --> 01:11:21,520 know, it's just again again, it's over the top. It's it's extreme, 1067 01:11:21,800 --> 01:11:28,159 but but not too extreme. You know. It doesn't go into well 1068 01:11:28,479 --> 01:11:30,720 some of the stuff does I guess, well, I think it made also 1069 01:11:30,760 --> 01:11:33,279 the butt the barn stuff. Yeah, it's like the most kind of explicit 1070 01:11:33,359 --> 01:11:38,279 and uncomfortable I like, like evidence in the Furnace. There's no body parts 1071 01:11:38,359 --> 01:11:40,800 or whatever listed at that time. Yeah as a title, it's still pretty 1072 01:11:40,840 --> 01:11:43,840 fucking menacing in it. Yeah, yeah, I mean yeah, and that's 1073 01:11:44,279 --> 01:11:45,920 one of the songs I heard first as well. Yeah, it's it's so 1074 01:11:46,039 --> 01:11:51,920 catchy and again it's really technical without you being able to tell, like the 1075 01:11:53,680 --> 01:11:57,319 the the guitar parts and stuff like, there's so much going I mean, 1076 01:11:58,000 --> 01:12:01,319 of course, the famous video is from like um Frantic Disembowment, like the 1077 01:12:02,159 --> 01:12:08,439 you know, the like kids just ridiculously the hands are moving everywhere, like 1078 01:12:09,359 --> 01:12:12,520 but it's not what you would think is like you know, like a technical 1079 01:12:12,560 --> 01:12:17,199 death metal band or whatever. Cannibal Corpse. It's which I think is a 1080 01:12:17,319 --> 01:12:21,319 good thing as well. You know that the things are complex, but it's 1081 01:12:21,359 --> 01:12:26,199 so well done that you can't even tell. It just sounds like like I 1082 01:12:26,239 --> 01:12:30,720 said, it's very accessible, but at the same time, there's like weird 1083 01:12:30,840 --> 01:12:39,680 rhythms, weird time signatures, really complex guitar parts, and I think that 1084 01:12:39,760 --> 01:12:44,720 I like about Cannibal as well is that they're as well as the complex guitar 1085 01:12:44,800 --> 01:12:50,359 parts and all that stuff, Paul's drumming is kind of it's just like straightforward 1086 01:12:50,479 --> 01:12:58,439 and like primitive and makes the songs just heavy. But there's no fancy doing 1087 01:12:58,880 --> 01:13:01,359 loads of technical stuff is he just provides like the bat bone. I think 1088 01:13:01,399 --> 01:13:03,880 he's one of the most underrated drummers because you're right, he used to kind 1089 01:13:03,880 --> 01:13:06,680 of blast in the whole way through. But when you think about the structures 1090 01:13:06,720 --> 01:13:10,560 and arrangements that he has to work in. He's always so on top of 1091 01:13:10,600 --> 01:13:13,880 it, like he's doing like the most technical like order of parts. He's 1092 01:13:13,920 --> 01:13:17,640 just doing kind of basic parts during Yeah, and that's what just kind of 1093 01:13:17,680 --> 01:13:21,920 makes it heavier, I think, you know, just instead of trying all 1094 01:13:21,960 --> 01:13:25,560 these technical stuff or whatever, he's just going dun dun, dun, dun, 1095 01:13:25,640 --> 01:13:30,880 dun dun. And that combined with yeah, the the like the pummeling 1096 01:13:30,920 --> 01:13:36,079 guitars, and then George's one of my favorite vocalists and extreme metal that he's 1097 01:13:36,119 --> 01:13:42,720 just got such a that he's got the death metal voice. Really like everything 1098 01:13:42,800 --> 01:13:45,560 combined, and like I said, with this album, I think the songs 1099 01:13:45,560 --> 01:13:51,560 are catchier than other albums. People I guess disagree for the most part, 1100 01:13:51,600 --> 01:13:58,199 but I mean, yeah, yeah, Visceration Plague, it's so like the 1101 01:13:58,520 --> 01:14:05,039 song itself is just so heavy soul headband headbanging like yeah, and then yeah, 1102 01:14:05,239 --> 01:14:10,680 you've got compared that to like Scalding Heels on one and a half minutes, 1103 01:14:10,720 --> 01:14:15,800 just like it's like a thrash song, but just with extreme production and 1104 01:14:15,560 --> 01:14:19,880 death metal vocals and uh yeah Paul's drumming. Yeah, it's it's like a 1105 01:14:19,960 --> 01:14:27,119 thrash song, but it's made death metal because it's Cannibal Corps scorning. How 1106 01:14:27,159 --> 01:14:30,479 we were almost like that like guitar for the sort of the dual harmony thing, 1107 01:14:30,560 --> 01:14:32,520 but it's like really mangled and then well I do remember that that's kind 1108 01:14:32,520 --> 01:14:35,640 of like a fresh and heavy melting, but because it's just got that added 1109 01:14:35,680 --> 01:14:39,880 brutality to it from Cannibal Corpse, it just it is heavier. Yeah, 1110 01:14:39,960 --> 01:14:42,640 Like I argue what we mean about this, I'm being really catchy because again 1111 01:14:42,760 --> 01:14:45,960 I didn't listen this at the time, but I think which short twousand and 1112 01:14:45,039 --> 01:14:47,960 nine the Definite Artists. I was purely like a Death Corp kind of fan 1113 01:14:48,000 --> 01:14:50,279 at point, but I think if you played this to me, I would 1114 01:14:50,279 --> 01:14:53,600 have gone with this immedia at that point. But I kind of like I 1115 01:14:53,720 --> 01:14:56,479 thought, you know, they were that step further. They were too brutal 1116 01:14:56,520 --> 01:14:58,479 for me. I was more into like, say, definitely they did. 1117 01:14:58,520 --> 01:15:00,800 They didn't quite fit with that, but I'm like, no, I could 1118 01:15:00,800 --> 01:15:02,439 have stuck some at the time and had a good time of this because it 1119 01:15:02,520 --> 01:15:06,680 is right like on evidence in the furnaces when they've got the cop burn in 1120 01:15:06,720 --> 01:15:10,960 my fires Corps burn hook, like there's all shit like that will all across 1121 01:15:11,000 --> 01:15:15,560 of that. I'm like, this has like an accessibility, but it's not 1122 01:15:15,760 --> 01:15:20,840 like polished and like clean. As a result, it's still nasty, gorso 1123 01:15:21,199 --> 01:15:26,800 death metal, but it's just it's not slopping and like impenetrable. Yeah, 1124 01:15:27,079 --> 01:15:30,520 every record is just a master class of like catchy vocals, you know, 1125 01:15:30,560 --> 01:15:32,840 the kind of them enter the Temple of Sin, Enter the Temple of City, 1126 01:15:32,920 --> 01:15:36,680 kind of repeating part on Priests of Sodom and my Mind is a Cauldron 1127 01:15:36,720 --> 01:15:40,520 of hate. Like it's just such a cool line. It's so evocative and 1128 01:15:40,640 --> 01:15:43,319 Priest of Sodom as well, what you're saying, like the opening like ten 1129 01:15:43,439 --> 01:15:45,720 seconds of that song are just what Cannibal Corps is about. And I think 1130 01:15:45,720 --> 01:15:49,279 if you were putting this record on as your first ever exposure to Cannibal Corpse, 1131 01:15:49,840 --> 01:15:54,680 you couldn't ask for much better in the opening ten seconds to demonstrate what 1132 01:15:54,760 --> 01:15:57,680 band you're listening to. And there's something funny about how they have that quality 1133 01:15:58,000 --> 01:16:00,439 on so many of their albums across so many It's like, you know, 1134 01:16:00,520 --> 01:16:03,399 when people put Vial on a decade before they get devoured by vermin immediately, 1135 01:16:03,479 --> 01:16:09,279 it's the same thing here. And it's with kill the Time to Kill exactly 1136 01:16:09,479 --> 01:16:13,600 right. Yeah, it's so so brilliant at them, and I think this 1137 01:16:13,720 --> 01:16:15,680 record, I always think of it as being one of the most intricate ones, 1138 01:16:15,720 --> 01:16:18,920 Like I think Paula said, it's the album that he recorded the drums 1139 01:16:18,960 --> 01:16:21,800 to a click track on, which he doesn't normally do. So there is 1140 01:16:21,840 --> 01:16:26,000 a particular like heart racing, like you know, blasting, trying to stale 1141 01:16:26,000 --> 01:16:28,680 on top of things quality too, and there is a lot of like you 1142 01:16:28,720 --> 01:16:31,119 know, really short sharp shocks on this that just go mental. Like you 1143 01:16:31,159 --> 01:16:33,479 look at the trap lengths on this Cannibal in particular, and there's a lot 1144 01:16:33,479 --> 01:16:39,119 that's like two minutes, you know, beheaded and burning natural. Yeah, 1145 01:16:39,159 --> 01:16:42,199 and I suppose that when you hear Alex or paul talk about kind of where 1146 01:16:42,239 --> 01:16:45,199 they're like brand of death metal vell from, they always talk about like the 1147 01:16:45,239 --> 01:16:47,760 brutal end of eighties thrash with you know, Cannibals is kind of their extension 1148 01:16:47,800 --> 01:16:50,600 of like Dark Angel, an early creator, and that does a few connections, 1149 01:16:50,640 --> 01:16:53,760 like you know where where you live, James, and that's obviously you 1150 01:16:53,760 --> 01:16:58,000 mentioned the scolding hale and stuff like that. It's so exciting. I mean 1151 01:16:58,039 --> 01:17:00,680 like carniv a swarm like actually sounds like a swarm of bees on that opening 1152 01:17:00,720 --> 01:17:05,119 guitar. Like they really know how to match a title to a tune. 1153 01:17:05,119 --> 01:17:10,680 And again you can hear Pauls go mental on those blasts. Yeah, yeah, 1154 01:17:10,720 --> 01:17:14,000 it's yeah, Like I said, ye, it's the Maybe that's why 1155 01:17:14,039 --> 01:17:18,760 it appeals as well, because it's like very thrash influenced and just filtered through 1156 01:17:18,800 --> 01:17:23,359 the Cannibal Corps. Yeah. I think it's definitely one of the most manic 1157 01:17:23,680 --> 01:17:26,079 records. And so I can you know, again, someone who makes the 1158 01:17:26,159 --> 01:17:28,279 music you make, I can see why this one in particular for me, 1159 01:17:28,399 --> 01:17:31,479 I go this era and then they go on to do torture of like Scourge 1160 01:17:31,520 --> 01:17:34,119 of Iron on it and stuff. But even Vince and imagine now some of 1161 01:17:34,159 --> 01:17:36,399 the best stuff I think of late years is when they lurch on like a 1162 01:17:36,479 --> 01:17:42,640 slower pace and Cannibal Corps, you know, they continue to just be so 1163 01:17:42,880 --> 01:17:45,520 godd and heavy like as a sonic force. They are just so imposing and 1164 01:17:45,640 --> 01:17:48,600 intimidating. A Culdron of Hate is really like churning and kind of horrible and 1165 01:17:48,680 --> 01:17:53,600 grim. But the title track is one of the best death metal songs ever 1166 01:17:53,680 --> 01:17:57,840 written, Like, yeah, every album album you can count on them to 1167 01:17:57,880 --> 01:18:00,800 do something that's like, wow, is a literally perfect death metal song. 1168 01:18:00,920 --> 01:18:03,760 I can think of absolutely no way for you to have made that song better. 1169 01:18:03,960 --> 01:18:08,319 And they again, I saw them like two nights ago, and they 1170 01:18:08,359 --> 01:18:12,720 do like a career spanning setlist by a song off like almost every single album. 1171 01:18:12,760 --> 01:18:14,880 They easily could do one or feature if they had longer in the night, 1172 01:18:15,640 --> 01:18:18,479 but every album has, you know, something just eternal like this does. 1173 01:18:18,800 --> 01:18:24,000 And I think particularly me a visration play the song. You hear again, 1174 01:18:24,039 --> 01:18:26,800 a lot of this record is quite manic, but you can hear their 1175 01:18:26,880 --> 01:18:30,600 capability for not just you know, kind of violence and gore and stuff, 1176 01:18:30,640 --> 01:18:33,880 but this kind of musical atmosphere of like impending horror and you know, the 1177 01:18:33,960 --> 01:18:38,680 sense that you know the end has come. And that riff that's slow, 1178 01:18:38,800 --> 01:18:44,640 you know, pummeling is like the zenith of it. It is so staggeringly 1179 01:18:44,800 --> 01:18:49,840 heavy. That work, slow lurking groove is so evil. Yeah, and 1180 01:18:49,920 --> 01:18:53,920 then and then the vocals come in and you can and you can sing along 1181 01:18:53,960 --> 01:18:57,439 with the verse. It's everything corpsman, it doesn't that song it's so catchy, 1182 01:18:57,600 --> 01:19:00,439 and yeah, that's what appealed to me about the band from the first 1183 01:19:00,439 --> 01:19:03,319 time I heard them, like just how is it so heavy? But it's 1184 01:19:03,600 --> 01:19:10,159 so accessible, so easy to listen to, so easy to sing along with, 1185 01:19:11,960 --> 01:19:15,239 and yeah, it's just yeah, I just love Cannibal Corpse and yeah, 1186 01:19:15,279 --> 01:19:20,479 I mean maybe musically the biggest influence on hell Rapper personally is probably like 1187 01:19:21,119 --> 01:19:28,319 Eating Back to Life. Yeah, it's basically a thrash album, like songs 1188 01:19:28,359 --> 01:19:30,279 like Skullful of Maggots and stuff like that. But yeah, this was the 1189 01:19:30,319 --> 01:19:34,680 first album that got me into extreme metal like as a as a genre as 1190 01:19:34,720 --> 01:19:41,119 a whole, so that's probably affected why it's like my favorite. And yeah, 1191 01:19:41,199 --> 01:19:44,960 just the nostalgic thing. And I remember, yeah, just getting really 1192 01:19:45,000 --> 01:19:48,239 into extreme metal from here from there, and you know, just finding other 1193 01:19:49,159 --> 01:19:55,520 similar catchy stuff, you know, like probably like blood Bath again was one 1194 01:19:55,560 --> 01:20:01,119 of my first death metal bands and got tracked tracks like Eating, which I 1195 01:20:01,880 --> 01:20:04,520 think is one of the best death metal songs again, just because it's so 1196 01:20:05,119 --> 01:20:10,039 catchy you can sing along to it. Um, that's what I like about 1197 01:20:11,159 --> 01:20:13,640 That's why. That's that's what I like in like death metal, when it's 1198 01:20:13,680 --> 01:20:16,960 catchy you can sing sing along too it, like um, so a lot 1199 01:20:17,000 --> 01:20:20,079 of my favorites are like that, and I guess that's why I think I 1200 01:20:20,239 --> 01:20:25,800 like Black Thrash as a whole as well, because it's a lot of it 1201 01:20:27,600 --> 01:20:30,319 going back to like Toxic Cold Cost like six six six for example, it's 1202 01:20:30,880 --> 01:20:32,720 you know, you can it's stuff you can chant along too, it's stuff 1203 01:20:32,720 --> 01:20:40,279 you can memorable. Um if it's done well, Um yeah Sam, first 1204 01:20:40,319 --> 01:20:42,920 time on this album, that title track is a fucking all timer in it. 1205 01:20:43,279 --> 01:20:45,479 That's what I wasking, Like God, that is why that that is 1206 01:20:45,479 --> 01:20:47,279 like the centerpiece of this record again, because a lot of talking is you 1207 01:20:47,319 --> 01:20:50,920 know, all out attack and kind of like pace and then you get the 1208 01:20:50,960 --> 01:20:54,600 obit where they'll kind of lunch in a groove a bit. But that toald 1209 01:20:54,640 --> 01:20:57,439 you what they kind of they do, take their fat off and just they 1210 01:20:57,600 --> 01:21:00,439 be menacing and slow and you like an atmosphere and can be like yeah, 1211 01:21:01,359 --> 01:21:03,680 but it's just what they talk. Chemicals can just do it all. And 1212 01:21:04,319 --> 01:21:09,119 that one though, is like so like when he's yelling at the end of 1213 01:21:09,159 --> 01:21:12,079 my end, trails are in my hands over and over again. Plague leads 1214 01:21:12,079 --> 01:21:15,800 to death to plague leads too, kind of sludgy bit of a breakdown leading 1215 01:21:15,840 --> 01:21:19,680 into the solo. How fucked up the solo can sound like it is, 1216 01:21:20,119 --> 01:21:24,119 Yeah, just everything a death metal song should be. Like, I can 1217 01:21:24,239 --> 01:21:26,840 see why that is the one that has stood the test of time from this 1218 01:21:26,920 --> 01:21:30,199 record in particular. Yeah, I think you can really hear, just carefully 1219 01:21:30,239 --> 01:21:32,079 laid out there over like four and a half minutes, what patient craftsmen they 1220 01:21:32,119 --> 01:21:35,319 are. And I think that's the thing that people who talk about Cannibal Corps 1221 01:21:35,359 --> 01:21:39,079 like they are just the great songwriter, Yeah, but a really good songwriter. 1222 01:21:39,119 --> 01:21:41,720 People who talk about them like they're just the ultimate meat and potatoes death 1223 01:21:41,760 --> 01:21:43,840 metal band, Like what you were saying, James, I think they are 1224 01:21:43,880 --> 01:21:47,560 the band who have best applied technicality to just the pure, you know, 1225 01:21:47,720 --> 01:21:51,279 root idea of what death matter is because they are the cunniest songwriter. It's 1226 01:21:51,359 --> 01:21:55,000 too Deacon composed. If that was the first song you heard, that stump 1227 01:21:55,079 --> 01:21:57,920 part with the two D compose and how it double time that goes in that 1228 01:21:58,000 --> 01:22:01,319 part. Yeah, one little thing absolutely makes the song. And I think 1229 01:22:01,399 --> 01:22:04,520 again, that's where I can certainly say hell Repper taking cues from Cannibal Corps 1230 01:22:04,680 --> 01:22:11,159 is the way the intricacies of the songwriting make these like technical frenetic births. 1231 01:22:11,239 --> 01:22:15,479 Just the catchier songs can like evidence in the furnace that everyone those stabs in 1232 01:22:15,560 --> 01:22:21,600 the intro is just yea and everyone is different, like like the repeated goes 1233 01:22:21,640 --> 01:22:26,399 like Donne done and done done, Like you know, it's different. It's 1234 01:22:26,439 --> 01:22:29,800 perfectly arranged to be like memorable and recognizeable, and that to me, that's 1235 01:22:29,800 --> 01:22:30,960 what makes them the best deathmt A band of all time. I don't think 1236 01:22:30,960 --> 01:22:35,079 there's any one of their peers that puts like as much attention to the minutii 1237 01:22:35,199 --> 01:22:39,439 of detail in making the songs as good as they can be. And certainly, 1238 01:22:39,520 --> 01:22:41,800 like you know, from a musicians point of view, they've got to 1239 01:22:41,840 --> 01:22:45,560 be inspiring and like how absolutely relentless they are in never seeming to age right, 1240 01:22:45,760 --> 01:22:48,760 like people all the time took about death just metal bands in general, 1241 01:22:48,840 --> 01:22:53,479 you know, slowing Down and Cannibal play so much harder than most of the 1242 01:22:53,520 --> 01:22:55,920 big bands that people are talking about there, and there's like not a fucking 1243 01:22:56,159 --> 01:22:59,880 speck of rust on them, I know, and Corps Grinder still when milling. 1244 01:23:00,720 --> 01:23:02,720 Yeah, I was literally taking the two nights ago. I was like, 1245 01:23:02,800 --> 01:23:04,840 how is your next stood up to all this like Toma, right, 1246 01:23:04,840 --> 01:23:08,720 I had to have surgery. Yeah, I know. It's it's crazy. 1247 01:23:08,840 --> 01:23:11,640 Yeah, like what this I think the tour right now is seven weeks at 1248 01:23:11,680 --> 01:23:14,399 the row on something like that. And he's doing that every night. Yeah, 1249 01:23:14,439 --> 01:23:16,039 and he's doing that every night and he's done it for however, how 1250 01:23:16,079 --> 01:23:19,279 long has that he's been in the band, like thirty years almost thirty years 1251 01:23:19,399 --> 01:23:23,880 monstrosity before that, you know, yeah, exactly. It's and and then 1252 01:23:23,960 --> 01:23:28,720 he's his voice is just not like like age that his voice is just so 1253 01:23:28,960 --> 01:23:33,199 good still. Um yeah, and it's it's like you know what you're getting 1254 01:23:33,239 --> 01:23:39,079 with a Cannibal Corpse album, but it's never that's not a bad thing. 1255 01:23:39,399 --> 01:23:41,800 You know. Sometimes bands can be predictable and you're like, oh, I 1256 01:23:42,119 --> 01:23:46,039 know I'm going to get this album. And but like you said, have 1257 01:23:46,199 --> 01:23:49,600 like you said before, every album, Yeah, every album they have like 1258 01:23:50,479 --> 01:23:56,039 an amazing so like you know, like a few amazing like eternal songs yeah 1259 01:23:56,359 --> 01:23:57,920 on it. So it's like, oh, I know I'm going to get 1260 01:23:57,960 --> 01:24:00,560 a new Cannibal Corpse album, but I know it's going to be good. 1261 01:24:00,680 --> 01:24:02,039 Like I know exactly what it's going to be, but I know it's going 1262 01:24:02,119 --> 01:24:06,560 to be good. So it's so it's yeah, it's like a it's really 1263 01:24:06,680 --> 01:24:13,239 cool, like and yeah, it's just great that they haven't felt the need 1264 01:24:13,319 --> 01:24:18,199 to I mean, to be fair, actually they have like grown and changed 1265 01:24:18,239 --> 01:24:23,520 over the years. It's just like you don't notice it because it's so good, 1266 01:24:23,920 --> 01:24:27,079 like from the first albums till now, Like I mean, I guess 1267 01:24:27,239 --> 01:24:31,760 Vial was kind of the change where they got really different like technical and stuff, 1268 01:24:31,800 --> 01:24:35,399 and they got George in the band and stuff. But yeah, it's 1269 01:24:35,399 --> 01:24:39,239 a band that, yeah, you just know what you're getting. You know 1270 01:24:39,279 --> 01:24:45,800 it's going to be good. There's no need for surprises really, which I 1271 01:24:45,880 --> 01:24:47,880 think is great. Yeah, this is just like masterful death metal. And 1272 01:24:47,920 --> 01:24:53,239 they've got like fifteen records of that. Yeah, sadly sick record. Speaking 1273 01:24:53,319 --> 01:24:58,000 of Beast Milk and Climax is your next pick? Unbenoaths to you, James 1274 01:24:58,039 --> 01:25:00,279 when you sent the He's over. We did a whole album club on Climax, 1275 01:25:00,439 --> 01:25:04,399 telling history and everything, just a couple of months ago, and we 1276 01:25:04,560 --> 01:25:08,640 have just reviewed the brand new Grave Pleasures album, which is the band that 1277 01:25:08,680 --> 01:25:12,760 continued on from from Beast Milk. I listened to the review. I listened 1278 01:25:12,800 --> 01:25:15,000 to the review Yeah, I haven't listened to the album yet, but I 1279 01:25:15,079 --> 01:25:18,399 listened to the review, so I'm excited. Well, so basically we've been 1280 01:25:18,439 --> 01:25:21,960 like deep in the zone for this already, but I was just happy to 1281 01:25:23,039 --> 01:25:26,279 talk about this on someone else's watch for Yeah, like the just me all 1282 01:25:26,319 --> 01:25:29,239 the time. Here's something that you know, someone that people like him will 1283 01:25:29,239 --> 01:25:31,039 hopefully listen to. He says, Beast Milk are great. We are again 1284 01:25:31,239 --> 01:25:35,399 reach venturing outside of metal doesn't seem like as quite a larger jump because we 1285 01:25:35,439 --> 01:25:39,800 are still in the underground and kind of underground metal. People all love this 1286 01:25:39,920 --> 01:25:43,640 record, but it is still interesting again to hear coming from someone like yourself 1287 01:25:43,640 --> 01:25:45,479 whose music doesn't sign anything like this, tell us about your love of Beast 1288 01:25:45,520 --> 01:25:50,239 Milk. Yeah, when did I heard Beast Milk for the first time? 1289 01:25:50,399 --> 01:25:56,279 When Climax just came out, or maybe before it came out. I think 1290 01:25:56,319 --> 01:26:00,960 it was like The Enemy or something had Yeah, one of those had, 1291 01:26:01,000 --> 01:26:05,000 Like I think it was some sort of like exclusive stream of the album or 1292 01:26:05,039 --> 01:26:08,640 something they had any stream Climax, Yeah, yeah, something like that. 1293 01:26:08,760 --> 01:26:14,159 Yeah, And I remember um because I'm a massive fan of bands as well, 1294 01:26:14,239 --> 01:26:19,000 Like I'm a massive indie and British rock fan. You know, I'm 1295 01:26:19,039 --> 01:26:23,840 a big fan of Arctic Monkeys, Editors all that kind of stuff, and 1296 01:26:24,000 --> 01:26:27,800 this and this kind of I can't remember, but one it kind of appealed 1297 01:26:27,800 --> 01:26:30,439 to me like, oh, this might be cool. It looked it looked 1298 01:26:30,520 --> 01:26:32,560 kind of metal, like the band photo like they looked metal. They were 1299 01:26:32,600 --> 01:26:38,800 in like yeah, it's got a skull. They were in like sleeveless T 1300 01:26:38,920 --> 01:26:41,279 shirts and stuff. I thought, yeah, this could be cool. And 1301 01:26:41,319 --> 01:26:44,119 then yeah, I heard Death Reflects Us and I was like like, that's 1302 01:26:44,159 --> 01:26:45,279 one of the times where I was just like wow, this is like, 1303 01:26:45,760 --> 01:26:50,880 you know, just something just like yeah, to me, it's like one 1304 01:26:50,880 --> 01:26:55,520 of my top five favorite albums of all time, no, like no doubt, 1305 01:26:55,640 --> 01:26:58,279 like it's just it's one of those albums. I think it's just such 1306 01:26:58,319 --> 01:27:00,880 a special album. Like I heard it and imediately I was like, well, 1307 01:27:00,920 --> 01:27:03,760 this is like a unique sound. It's something that I think like it 1308 01:27:03,920 --> 01:27:08,960 just clicked with me immediately. I was like, this is amazing. Um 1309 01:27:09,880 --> 01:27:14,960 again, when was when did Climax come out? Yeah, thirteen, so 1310 01:27:15,840 --> 01:27:17,399 yeah, what was I was like eighteen at the time, So yeah, 1311 01:27:18,039 --> 01:27:21,199 it's still appealed to like the metal side as well. You know, it 1312 01:27:21,319 --> 01:27:26,800 was had the very metal aesthetic, the the relating to like toxic holocaust, 1313 01:27:26,840 --> 01:27:30,920 I had the nuclear war theme, the all that kind of stuff. And 1314 01:27:32,359 --> 01:27:39,800 yeah, it was again just going back to how it influenced hell Rapport, 1315 01:27:39,800 --> 01:27:43,600 it would have been just because it was catchy, like the songs were just 1316 01:27:43,840 --> 01:27:47,199 so Yeah, it's just a perfect album, Like the songs are well written, 1317 01:27:47,319 --> 01:27:51,520 it's catchy, it's it's a unique album. I think, Um, 1318 01:27:53,000 --> 01:27:55,800 a lot of albums sound similar, you know, it's not like a complete 1319 01:27:56,000 --> 01:28:00,000 different genre. But the whole production, the whole us, the whole the 1320 01:28:00,399 --> 01:28:04,279 sound of the band, the everything, I think just had something special at 1321 01:28:04,319 --> 01:28:09,359 that time and a big I'm a big fan of the demo as well, 1322 01:28:09,439 --> 01:28:15,840 and the the EP afterwards as well, the um whatever the EP was called 1323 01:28:15,920 --> 01:28:19,520 Usual Deluge or whatever it's called. Yeah, A big fan of that and 1324 01:28:19,680 --> 01:28:27,199 the the what was the demo called White Stains on Black Yeah, black Teape 1325 01:28:27,279 --> 01:28:30,159 or something. Yeah, massive fan of both of them. But this album, 1326 01:28:30,279 --> 01:28:36,640 like the production of the atmosphere, um yeah, I mean there was 1327 01:28:36,720 --> 01:28:40,119 this moment like this album is the one that caused a real stir when it 1328 01:28:40,159 --> 01:28:42,520 came out, and there was this moment when they were the coolest new band 1329 01:28:42,560 --> 01:28:45,800 that every wanted a piece of before all those kind of more fickle areas of 1330 01:28:45,840 --> 01:28:47,560 the press all like backed off when they became Great Pleasures, but like yeah 1331 01:28:47,680 --> 01:28:50,800 again ten years later, such a cult classic. So many metal musicians will 1332 01:28:50,840 --> 01:28:54,399 pick this as they're like, this is the record I'm going to have a 1333 01:28:54,399 --> 01:28:58,159 bit of a boogie two record, Sam, we've done this album recently. 1334 01:28:58,279 --> 01:29:00,720 I mean, like Elliott, who couldn't be with us for this episode, 1335 01:29:00,760 --> 01:29:02,600 but he was saying, how like he's not really put Climax down since we 1336 01:29:02,680 --> 01:29:05,600 did it, and then I haven't even then reviewing the new album, which 1337 01:29:05,640 --> 01:29:10,239 we both love as well. Have you got any like further feelings on Climax 1338 01:29:10,359 --> 01:29:13,239 coming back to it, looping back to it once again? Well, like 1339 01:29:13,840 --> 01:29:15,079 you, it's because of going back and listens to a lot more than weak 1340 01:29:15,119 --> 01:29:17,720 and gray Piaces. I've kind of again got a new apprecire of this because 1341 01:29:17,720 --> 01:29:21,520 there is there is a difference to be small gray Pleasures that has become kind 1342 01:29:21,520 --> 01:29:27,319 of clearer and Plague Boys, because I think this is this is a darker, 1343 01:29:27,520 --> 01:29:31,520 more like sinister cold record in a way, but it's still it's every 1344 01:29:31,600 --> 01:29:36,039 bit the catchy, infectious rock ham played by like a punk band, but 1345 01:29:36,800 --> 01:29:40,800 there is just there's a look. I don't know thin. This is just 1346 01:29:40,920 --> 01:29:44,720 more morbid. This album wasn't about it, but it just I was like, 1347 01:29:44,840 --> 01:29:46,600 God, this is such a just one of a kind, Like the 1348 01:29:46,720 --> 01:29:50,640 only band that matches are Grave Pleasures, essentially the same band. Like yeah, 1349 01:29:50,760 --> 01:29:54,359 like this record to me, like you know, I labored for ages 1350 01:29:54,359 --> 01:29:59,119 on that album Club, but it's just like the most hedonistic desperate dance party 1351 01:29:59,159 --> 01:30:01,920 of a record, like thirty eight minutes of shaking every bit of joy and 1352 01:30:02,119 --> 01:30:04,920 energy out of your body because you've got to use it all up before the 1353 01:30:04,960 --> 01:30:09,840 world explodes, and that sensation becomes more and more potent, you know, 1354 01:30:09,960 --> 01:30:14,079 every year, all the time. It's just bottled energy. This record, 1355 01:30:14,439 --> 01:30:16,760 like you mentioned, you know, Death reflects us. That opening riff is 1356 01:30:16,800 --> 01:30:20,039 like this fucking clarion call to action, like the most insistent masses risk but 1357 01:30:20,079 --> 01:30:25,000 the the like melodic guitar and that comes in again. I'm trying to put 1358 01:30:25,039 --> 01:30:27,600 myself in your headspace and be like, what about this would appeal to the 1359 01:30:27,640 --> 01:30:30,520 hell ripper guy. That guitar line is fucking incredible. Yeah, again, 1360 01:30:30,840 --> 01:30:34,920 just something that just occurred to me. One of the things that they do 1361 01:30:35,079 --> 01:30:40,399 well with the songwriting is in Death reflects Us, like they they kind of 1362 01:30:40,439 --> 01:30:46,199 have multiple choruses almost, and a lot of the songs, which I love 1363 01:30:46,359 --> 01:30:50,399 because there's like you don't know which part is the chorus really, so you 1364 01:30:50,479 --> 01:30:55,840 need you sing. You sing like all of the choruses, if you know 1365 01:30:55,920 --> 01:30:59,800 what I mean. Like, for example, you've got the when We're Sleeping 1366 01:31:00,560 --> 01:31:02,399 yeah kind of bit yeah, and then the actual different place yeah exactly. 1367 01:31:02,520 --> 01:31:04,479 So I mean I guess it's like a pre chorus. I mean I guess 1368 01:31:04,520 --> 01:31:10,279 technically, but it's as effective as a chorus. So and that is something 1369 01:31:10,399 --> 01:31:13,439 I try and do with Hell Rapper. I think that's something I like having, 1370 01:31:15,279 --> 01:31:17,800 I mean as many catchy parts as possible, but especially like the pre 1371 01:31:17,920 --> 01:31:23,840 chorus and chorus. I like to have the pre chorus almost as effective as 1372 01:31:23,880 --> 01:31:26,399 the chorus. And that is something that just came into my mind there when 1373 01:31:26,399 --> 01:31:32,560 you were speaking about Death Reflects Us and how influenced Hell Ripper and my songwriting 1374 01:31:32,600 --> 01:31:36,760 in general. And yeah, I mean yeah, shortly after I heard this 1375 01:31:36,880 --> 01:31:41,279 album, I mean, this was this was like you say, it was 1376 01:31:41,319 --> 01:31:45,840 like they became the cool band to kind of listen to, and I think 1377 01:31:45,000 --> 01:31:49,439 they might have been maybe maybe I'm completely wrong, but I think they were 1378 01:31:49,520 --> 01:31:53,399 the band that kind of, along with In Solitude, kind of brought that 1379 01:31:53,840 --> 01:31:59,199 golf influence into into metal, like you know what that at the time. 1380 01:31:59,520 --> 01:32:03,159 You know, a lot of bands afterwards started introducing kind of gothic elements and 1381 01:32:03,199 --> 01:32:06,119 past punk elements, like I know it's been done before, I'm not. 1382 01:32:06,640 --> 01:32:10,720 It's that those two are like suit like Sister by In Solitude, we came 1383 01:32:10,760 --> 01:32:14,920 out the same years as exactly the kind of the school of bands that you 1384 01:32:15,000 --> 01:32:15,880 know, regular listeners will know because I go on about them all the time, 1385 01:32:15,920 --> 01:32:18,920 but like the most the kind of school of bands I feel most connected 1386 01:32:18,920 --> 01:32:21,039 to right now, like they are my bands. That's my thing that I'm 1387 01:32:21,119 --> 01:32:24,920 really part of. Is this kind of loose grouping of bands in the underground 1388 01:32:24,920 --> 01:32:28,039 that kind of navigate that border between goth and heavy metal, where yeah, 1389 01:32:28,279 --> 01:32:31,720 great pleasures like unto others, tribulation, tribulation, you know, Devil Master, 1390 01:32:31,840 --> 01:32:35,880 stuff like that, And this record and Sister are like where again separate 1391 01:32:35,960 --> 01:32:40,159 to that kind of twenty tens occult rock thing that kind of started to become 1392 01:32:40,199 --> 01:32:42,560 recognizable as like a bit of a bit of a scene and a bit of 1393 01:32:42,640 --> 01:32:46,000 a sound, even if it's quite loosely associated and spread all over the place. 1394 01:32:46,439 --> 01:32:48,479 Like ten years old, you know, the legacy of this record and 1395 01:32:48,840 --> 01:32:51,439 Sister as well, like still growing super strong, and you know, people 1396 01:32:51,479 --> 01:32:55,800 like you James are still wanting to you know, be involved with with stuff 1397 01:32:55,800 --> 01:32:58,039 like this. Yeah, exactly, Yeah, that's what I mean. Yeah, 1398 01:32:58,079 --> 01:33:01,680 the yeah still now like you can hear like a lot of bands Hill 1399 01:33:01,760 --> 01:33:08,439 Upper included, You can hear like Tribulation influencing stuff like I think, yeah, 1400 01:33:08,479 --> 01:33:14,640 those three bands, especially in Solitude, Beast Milk and Tribulation. Yeah, 1401 01:33:14,640 --> 01:33:18,399 like I said, they kind of brought this like post punk influence into 1402 01:33:18,439 --> 01:33:25,439 the metal at that time that kind of spread to the underground and yeah, 1403 01:33:25,600 --> 01:33:29,840 it's yeah, it's just great music. Yeah. I mean, like again, 1404 01:33:30,159 --> 01:33:31,720 like you're saying, the kind of imagery that they've built up is so 1405 01:33:31,920 --> 01:33:36,239 distinct, and so there's like they built like a real recognizable trademark kind of 1406 01:33:36,279 --> 01:33:40,840 world for themselves, you know, Nuclear winter Surfing, the apocalypse, Let's 1407 01:33:40,840 --> 01:33:44,079 go to up and now everybody is like exactly like and you know, like 1408 01:33:44,199 --> 01:33:47,079 genocidal crush. You have these incredible pop songs, but they're rapid us been 1409 01:33:47,119 --> 01:33:50,920 the language of you know, yeah, like Death and the maccab and stuff 1410 01:33:50,960 --> 01:33:54,279 like that, and just you know, because I've been rinsing the new album 1411 01:33:54,319 --> 01:33:58,000 so much, I've just been marveling at how like I'm immediately distinct they are 1412 01:33:58,079 --> 01:34:00,359 wet again, even in the minu shy, but like they and a fair 1413 01:34:00,359 --> 01:34:01,359 bit on that new record, and there's new stuff in there they haven't really 1414 01:34:01,399 --> 01:34:05,279 tried before. But how many bands out there right now, particularly melodic ones, 1415 01:34:05,319 --> 01:34:09,279 not extreme ones like this Isn't My Sugar or something, can you say 1416 01:34:09,359 --> 01:34:13,079 you actually can recognize from the ground up in terms of like drum beats and 1417 01:34:13,159 --> 01:34:15,560 the kind of rhythms they base their songs on. It's there on the new 1418 01:34:15,560 --> 01:34:17,760 album, on you know, Disintegration Girl or whatever, and going right back 1419 01:34:17,800 --> 01:34:21,520 to this, it's all over it, those like pounding tom parts, the 1420 01:34:21,600 --> 01:34:26,159 way they've pretty much trademark now that clap clap beat that you get in Genocide 1421 01:34:26,319 --> 01:34:29,199 Crack, and it's always fun. Yeah, like the surf yeah, the 1422 01:34:29,239 --> 01:34:31,920 surf beat. Yeah yeah, yeah, it's just great. And yeah, 1423 01:34:31,960 --> 01:34:36,319 I was torn between whether it picked this one or resplendent grow teste by code 1424 01:34:36,439 --> 01:34:43,479 because Matt it is a yeah, just I think almost everything Matt does. 1425 01:34:43,680 --> 01:34:45,920 I'm like a fan of almost everything, like Hex Vessel. I think it's 1426 01:34:45,960 --> 01:34:50,039 great. But in terms of yeah black metal, resplendent, grotesque and you've 1427 01:34:50,079 --> 01:34:54,199 caught me on the right day and we're in the I never noticed that. 1428 01:34:55,319 --> 01:34:58,560 Love it, but yeah, resplendent grow Teste one of my maybe my favorite 1429 01:34:58,800 --> 01:35:02,840 I guess is it the metal I guess so twenty Yeah, for sure. 1430 01:35:04,119 --> 01:35:10,680 It's just probably my probably my favorite black metal album of all times. So 1431 01:35:10,800 --> 01:35:12,920 I was kind of torn whether or to choose that or this, but I 1432 01:35:13,000 --> 01:35:16,079 think this had more of an effect on me, and um, it led 1433 01:35:16,079 --> 01:35:18,560 to me, you know, starting a post punk band as well, like 1434 01:35:18,920 --> 01:35:21,640 and R Yeah, did you like this a little be Smolt worship project? 1435 01:35:21,800 --> 01:35:26,800 Yeah? Basically yeah, so that's still available to people to listen to. 1436 01:35:27,119 --> 01:35:31,640 It is indeed, Yeah, it's called Lockhowell. Nice kind of yeah, 1437 01:35:31,720 --> 01:35:36,880 be smolk, be s milk Editors type of negative, a bit a bit 1438 01:35:36,960 --> 01:35:41,000 more black metal kind of stuff in there as well. But yeah, it 1439 01:35:41,159 --> 01:35:43,079 was around the time Yeah be Smoke came out and it's like, wow, 1440 01:35:43,119 --> 01:35:48,159 this is just so um it's probably yeah, probably my first like exposure to 1441 01:35:49,199 --> 01:35:53,479 post punk as well. You know, I feel like so many metal dudes 1442 01:35:53,560 --> 01:35:56,439 probably did the same thing and started like a little post punk thing on the 1443 01:35:56,479 --> 01:35:59,439 side after this came out. That's that's what I mean. I think it 1444 01:35:59,520 --> 01:36:01,359 brought it in to the like the underground, and a lot of these bands 1445 01:36:01,399 --> 01:36:04,880 started incorporating that kind of elements, like I think, similar to the way 1446 01:36:04,920 --> 01:36:08,720 like Onto others are doing now as well. Like I know a lot of 1447 01:36:08,760 --> 01:36:11,640 people who like unto others, but they don't even know whose Sisters and Mercy 1448 01:36:11,720 --> 01:36:14,640 are, you know, And yeah, I guess because I've got to come 1449 01:36:14,680 --> 01:36:17,159 from a heavy metal background. But it's that that bridge point in exactly. 1450 01:36:17,239 --> 01:36:20,479 So it's I think, yeah, like that was my first Like I had 1451 01:36:20,560 --> 01:36:26,239 no idea really. I liked Beast Milk and I liked in Solitude like Sister, 1452 01:36:26,520 --> 01:36:30,479 but I didn't really know like post punk, yeah, or postpunking golf 1453 01:36:30,520 --> 01:36:33,560 type stuff like yeah, I wasn't really familiar with Sisters of Mercy. I 1454 01:36:33,640 --> 01:36:38,600 had heard of them, and I didn't know yeah or whatever, you know. 1455 01:36:39,159 --> 01:36:45,800 Just so yeah, it's it's it's strange that it kind of appealed to 1456 01:36:45,840 --> 01:36:50,520 the underground metal as it like so much. I guess maybe because the guys 1457 01:36:50,560 --> 01:36:54,840 had a metal background so they were kind of known in the scene, or 1458 01:36:55,199 --> 01:37:00,119 Matt was by being in all those black metal bands and stuff. Yeah, 1459 01:37:00,479 --> 01:37:03,960 it's just yeah, I'm glad I found it. I think I mentioned this 1460 01:37:04,039 --> 01:37:06,199 in that the anchor, But it's like it's the imagery of the music, 1461 01:37:06,399 --> 01:37:10,319 the kind of the darker side to its aware even though it is postponed, 1462 01:37:10,399 --> 01:37:14,640 that's going to make it immediately more appealing to metal fans, where there is 1463 01:37:14,920 --> 01:37:17,159 a darkness, a sort of ma carve element to it. So that's one 1464 01:37:17,159 --> 01:37:19,720 of those things that are like you can put this on and even if it's 1465 01:37:19,880 --> 01:37:23,880 musically not metal, a met fan's been hearing kind of go, this is 1466 01:37:24,319 --> 01:37:27,800 like one of our lot playing this sort of style, so we can start 1467 01:37:27,880 --> 01:37:30,199 to really get into it from that. Yeah, I mean, can you 1468 01:37:30,239 --> 01:37:33,359 mentioned obviously Matt was in you know, he's been like Dodheims guy by this 1469 01:37:33,399 --> 01:37:36,199 point and stuff that's real cred. But like, yeah, like nowadays in 1470 01:37:36,239 --> 01:37:40,199 Great Pleasures, they've got like one of the guys from Ranci Pazuzu, Yeah, 1471 01:37:40,439 --> 01:37:43,960 who are like one of the weirdest, most out there like extreme bands 1472 01:37:43,960 --> 01:37:47,039 on the planet. Um, and I think you know what you're saying about 1473 01:37:47,079 --> 01:37:50,119 how it kind of spread around the metal underground. I guess because they were 1474 01:37:50,159 --> 01:37:55,600 like guys from metal backgrounds. I think that was obviously their their their blessing 1475 01:37:55,640 --> 01:37:58,560 and their curse, because I also think that's why part of why they've never 1476 01:37:58,640 --> 01:38:00,840 broken out anywhere else. Yeah, it's just a weird little metal thing for 1477 01:38:00,920 --> 01:38:03,880 us, little metal freaks in the corner, Like no one seems to realize 1478 01:38:03,880 --> 01:38:09,479 that their songs are fucking enormous and should not just be. Yeah, worst 1479 01:38:09,520 --> 01:38:12,520 bands have just ripped off their sound basically and made it popular. Yeah, 1480 01:38:12,880 --> 01:38:15,079 it's anthemic in the way the heavy metal is as well, because like some 1481 01:38:15,079 --> 01:38:18,159 of those old post punk bands, you know, they might not they they'll 1482 01:38:18,159 --> 01:38:21,520 be in that like deep gloomy register and might not kind of lean away from 1483 01:38:21,520 --> 01:38:24,399 it for like choruses or anything that much. And then you get surfa. 1484 01:38:24,439 --> 01:38:28,560 The Apocalypse is like more Danzig than it is Ian Curtis or something like that. 1485 01:38:29,359 --> 01:38:31,199 Yeah, that's what I like about I mean, I'm a fan of 1486 01:38:31,279 --> 01:38:34,359 post punk and all that, but sometimes you know, it does get a 1487 01:38:34,439 --> 01:38:38,600 bit seemy. It's very I mean, the whole thing about it is kind 1488 01:38:38,640 --> 01:38:43,119 of you know, it's like very machine like. But what what Be Spilt 1489 01:38:43,199 --> 01:38:45,720 did is it's very Yeah, it's very ill. Yeah yeah, it's it's 1490 01:38:45,840 --> 01:38:50,680 very metal like it it's it still sounds like it's got a bit of metal 1491 01:38:50,800 --> 01:38:55,520 in it, like just the whole layer, the atmosphere of the the guitar 1492 01:38:55,760 --> 01:39:00,479 and the theme's imagery and I think, yeah, that just appealed. And 1493 01:39:00,720 --> 01:39:04,680 yeah, it's just it's a unique album. I think nothing sounds like even 1494 01:39:04,720 --> 01:39:12,520 the following Grave Pleasures and stuff, though good, I don't think quite match 1495 01:39:12,560 --> 01:39:16,720 be s Milk. I think the like the that group of people had something 1496 01:39:17,560 --> 01:39:24,880 like together that like just such good chemistry. Um. I know the guitarist 1497 01:39:24,920 --> 01:39:29,319 that left, he went on and done the album with Hello Hello black Hole. 1498 01:39:29,399 --> 01:39:31,640 I think it's called right yeah, um, and that's cool as well. 1499 01:39:31,920 --> 01:39:34,039 Um, but it's not be s Milk, you know, it's just 1500 01:39:35,119 --> 01:39:40,199 yeah, yeah, I think just those people had something like special. Um. 1501 01:39:40,840 --> 01:39:43,840 Though my huge Grave Pleasures fan like a Mother Blood is one of my 1502 01:39:43,920 --> 01:39:47,239 favorites as well. Mother Blood is my favorite. Everyone I'm in the fair 1503 01:39:47,359 --> 01:39:50,720 enough the most basically all tens for me, but like yeah, yeah, 1504 01:39:51,359 --> 01:39:54,840 I would put them all basic call like nines and then be smolk it like 1505 01:39:54,880 --> 01:40:00,640 a ten. Yeah. But like I think what you're saying really you've touched 1506 01:40:00,640 --> 01:40:01,439 on something there that I guess I've tried to express for quite a while. 1507 01:40:01,479 --> 01:40:05,439 But like postpunk off the is that mechanical thing. Yeah, Best Milk Slash 1508 01:40:05,479 --> 01:40:10,520 Grave Pleasures sound like a bar band. They sound like they are just absolutely 1509 01:40:10,760 --> 01:40:13,760 tearing through this stuff and they're in that You've got a rollicking chorus like you 1510 01:40:13,800 --> 01:40:15,479 are now and Yeah, but like the rhythm and the guitars and everything, 1511 01:40:15,520 --> 01:40:19,439 there's there's that organic, pounding, raucous like hacking their way through it. 1512 01:40:19,560 --> 01:40:24,000 Like they put the punk back in post punk in a way, and I 1513 01:40:24,039 --> 01:40:29,279 think that makes it more more tangible, Like that bit I'm obsessed with when 1514 01:40:30,119 --> 01:40:32,239 the piano slide happens in Love and a Cold World and it just rings the 1515 01:40:32,319 --> 01:40:38,760 whole thing in. It's just fucking rock and roll like carnage. Yeah. 1516 01:40:39,119 --> 01:40:42,039 Yeah, it's yeah, Yeah, it's very rock and rule as well, 1517 01:40:42,079 --> 01:40:45,079 like you're seeing Yeah, just it's yeah, you've got a song, and 1518 01:40:45,239 --> 01:40:47,840 yeah, I get I think the production as well as a big part of 1519 01:40:47,880 --> 01:40:50,239 it. Yeah, we had sound in it. No record ever like this. 1520 01:40:50,479 --> 01:40:56,079 It's so like so like reverbed and stuff like that. It's like if 1521 01:40:56,119 --> 01:40:58,800 you like looking at them live and stuff when you see them, Plue lives, 1522 01:40:58,800 --> 01:41:02,039 like a lot of the guitar parts are basically kind of like yeah, 1523 01:41:02,479 --> 01:41:06,800 it's like very punk, like very kind of misfit style almost, but with 1524 01:41:06,920 --> 01:41:12,319 the production on top and the and all the added like all the added stuff. 1525 01:41:12,359 --> 01:41:17,359 It's yeah, just really yeah unique. What's your favorite tune on this? 1526 01:41:19,000 --> 01:41:24,720 Probably Genocidal Crush? Nice maybe that was mine for a long time. 1527 01:41:24,840 --> 01:41:28,600 Loving a Call well probably now, but like maybe maybe Surf the Apocalypse, 1528 01:41:28,640 --> 01:41:33,880 But Genocidal Crush I just think is um the chorus is just the it's it's 1529 01:41:33,920 --> 01:41:39,279 like the danciest catchiest yeah one one. It's probably like it's maybe in my 1530 01:41:39,359 --> 01:41:43,279 top like ten favorite songs of all time. Genocidal Crush. Just the verse 1531 01:41:43,399 --> 01:41:45,960 is so good as well, just the way you know, the build up 1532 01:41:45,000 --> 01:41:49,039 with the like the snare like Dunta di Dent it didn't and then it sucks 1533 01:41:49,119 --> 01:41:54,520 sucks, yeah like that like yeah, it's a yeah, I mean yeah, 1534 01:41:54,560 --> 01:41:57,439 it probably changes all the time, to be fair. It's yeah, 1535 01:41:57,800 --> 01:42:01,720 really good songs and yeah, yeah Sam for your Mind still from Last Time 1536 01:42:02,840 --> 01:42:05,880 it's that I've come on to Genocide and Crash a bit more as well, 1537 01:42:06,000 --> 01:42:12,279 like just on these reason listener I mean again really is Yeah, it might 1538 01:42:12,439 --> 01:42:15,960 change every time I listened to it now because it's it's so just it's all 1539 01:42:16,199 --> 01:42:19,720 it's all tense. Yeah. Yeah, so being a fan of great pleasures 1540 01:42:19,720 --> 01:42:21,920 going for which I'm glad you are. You're gonna be spending the new album 1541 01:42:21,960 --> 01:42:25,880 this week? I will be. Yeah, I just need I've been. 1542 01:42:26,520 --> 01:42:29,640 I was always seeing Cannibal Corps as well, so I haven't like kind of 1543 01:42:29,960 --> 01:42:34,720 I just got back when Thursday from that and kind of still been doing like 1544 01:42:35,000 --> 01:42:38,159 what do you sometimes listen to the podcast? So you know, thank you? 1545 01:42:38,520 --> 01:42:41,399 Yeah, I know I put on the podcast. I thought, yeah, 1546 01:42:41,520 --> 01:42:44,640 let's see see what they're seeing about it, get me in the mood 1547 01:42:44,680 --> 01:42:46,920 for it. Yeah, you say, do you think it's as mad that 1548 01:42:47,000 --> 01:42:49,840 they are such a tiny band still as like we are always saying, because 1549 01:42:49,880 --> 01:42:53,920 this album was the one moment when they flirted with a bit of main three 1550 01:42:53,960 --> 01:42:56,920 attention from the Enemy and the Guardian. That which is mad because it is 1551 01:42:56,920 --> 01:43:00,880 a more kind of underground sounding record than certainly would tell you the last two 1552 01:43:00,039 --> 01:43:02,439 which I think you could probably play on radio and they'd sound pretty great. 1553 01:43:02,439 --> 01:43:04,439 But like, ever since the name change, the rest of the world they're 1554 01:43:04,439 --> 01:43:08,399 just not giving them an inch, and they continue to just write like the 1555 01:43:08,520 --> 01:43:11,800 most world class songs of anyone in this kind of line. Yeah, I 1556 01:43:11,840 --> 01:43:15,960 think maybe it was just a loss of momentum or something with the Yeah the 1557 01:43:16,359 --> 01:43:18,399 like so much stuff happened, you know, like, yeah, they should 1558 01:43:18,439 --> 01:43:21,239 surely it's been long enough now for people to go, oh, Great Pleasures 1559 01:43:21,279 --> 01:43:25,079 actually a great band in their room, right, I know about a lot 1560 01:43:25,119 --> 01:43:27,720 of a lot of like kind of band success is kind of building on the 1561 01:43:27,840 --> 01:43:31,560 momentum, and eventually they reached that stage where you know, like people know 1562 01:43:31,680 --> 01:43:35,279 them and then they can kind of like, uh, you know, relax 1563 01:43:35,439 --> 01:43:38,720 or do what they want. But I think, yeah, I mean I 1564 01:43:39,000 --> 01:43:41,640 love Great Pleasures, and if it was up to me, like yeah, 1565 01:43:41,680 --> 01:43:45,239 they would be like everyone would listen to them. But yeah, I think 1566 01:43:45,319 --> 01:43:49,079 with all the stuff happening, you know, they'll line up completely changing and 1567 01:43:49,159 --> 01:43:53,960 then the name change and then they signed to Sony. I think it was 1568 01:43:54,159 --> 01:43:58,479 so I don't know if the Yeah dream crash, Yeah, it's like the 1569 01:43:58,680 --> 01:44:01,680 Columbia or something, and that the kind of most difficult one to get into 1570 01:44:01,800 --> 01:44:05,520 is yeah bizarre, Yeah, and yeah, I know I read an interview 1571 01:44:05,560 --> 01:44:10,159 with I can't remember it was one of the members of Grave Pleasures, but 1572 01:44:10,159 --> 01:44:14,520 I think they said like they were kind of conscious to try and write something 1573 01:44:14,600 --> 01:44:17,319 that wasn't Best Milk on that album, like they wanted to kind of, 1574 01:44:18,399 --> 01:44:20,760 yeah, make the album its own thing. They didn't want to copy Beast 1575 01:44:20,760 --> 01:44:27,960 Milk, which is perfectly understandable. But maybe just something from that didn't click 1576 01:44:28,039 --> 01:44:30,279 with people. Maybe the label was a bad fit. I've got no idea. 1577 01:44:30,279 --> 01:44:35,760 I've got no idea of what maybe just all this stuff happening and then 1578 01:44:35,840 --> 01:44:39,680 yeah, I mean now they haven't done anything for what was it six years? 1579 01:44:39,760 --> 01:44:42,880 Like or yeah, is that when the album came out? Six year 1580 01:44:43,960 --> 01:44:46,479 Yeah, So I mean if you're not doing anything in six years, it's 1581 01:44:46,560 --> 01:44:49,520 difficult to kind of build up the momentum. Yeah. Then they are the 1582 01:44:49,640 --> 01:44:53,880 most tragically like looked out of a band. Yeah, I mean I love 1583 01:44:53,920 --> 01:44:57,439 it, And I mean Matt's doing cool stuff with what do you call it? 1584 01:44:57,680 --> 01:45:00,600 Hex Vessel. Still he's also doing the Death Trip as well. That 1585 01:45:01,680 --> 01:45:05,399 when he became at Black Now Yeah, and he's yeah, he's doing loads 1586 01:45:05,439 --> 01:45:10,199 of stuff, so it's yeah, Hex Vessel kind of I think became his 1587 01:45:10,359 --> 01:45:15,359 main thing after it's older than the Beastmill, wasn't it Like that's going to 1588 01:45:15,359 --> 01:45:17,079 go into the sort of late sort of two thousands. So yeah, but 1589 01:45:17,199 --> 01:45:20,439 yeah, he's since like the Grave Pleasures album. I think he's released like 1590 01:45:20,560 --> 01:45:25,279 what maybe three or four Hex Vessel albums or something like that, So I 1591 01:45:25,399 --> 01:45:30,039 mean, yeah, I mean, if if he's just if you're just preferring 1592 01:45:30,079 --> 01:45:32,479 to do that, and I mean, yeah a Ramsey PISUSU as well or 1593 01:45:32,520 --> 01:45:35,800 doing stuff. So I guess they've all got other projects and stuff to be 1594 01:45:35,880 --> 01:45:41,600 working on. And if you know, I mean, they don't force themselves 1595 01:45:41,640 --> 01:45:45,239 to put out albums and it means we get better songs after six years then 1596 01:45:46,079 --> 01:45:53,600 if they rushed and all that, so it might not make them Metallica level 1597 01:45:53,760 --> 01:45:56,520 huge, but we get good songs out of it. Yeah, I'm very 1598 01:45:56,520 --> 01:45:59,000 glad they're back. The new record is fucking wicked. You were gonna love 1599 01:45:59,000 --> 01:46:02,319 it in terms of like the extra production, flourishes and stuff that. Looking 1600 01:46:02,399 --> 01:46:08,359 forward talking about Blood Sugar Sets Magic earlier. Okay, final album choice from 1601 01:46:08,479 --> 01:46:12,680 James, It's what I'm sure you know it's Iron Maiden and Live after Death. 1602 01:46:12,800 --> 01:46:15,800 James, is this a pick because you couldn't decide which studio album to 1603 01:46:15,880 --> 01:46:16,960 pick, so you went for the live album with a lot of different stuff, 1604 01:46:17,039 --> 01:46:19,600 or is there a particular love for Live after Death that makes it your 1605 01:46:19,640 --> 01:46:24,359 maiden record. Yeah, it's a particular love for Live after Death, especially 1606 01:46:24,399 --> 01:46:27,920 I think the songs on here. I prefer listening to these ones than the 1607 01:46:28,920 --> 01:46:33,199 studio versions for a lot of them. But yeah, this one again similar. 1608 01:46:33,560 --> 01:46:36,560 There's a pattern with all these albums or basically albums that kind of got 1609 01:46:36,640 --> 01:46:41,880 me into metal or something in some form or got me into music. I 1610 01:46:42,000 --> 01:46:50,640 remember when I was younger, I'd not really listened to Again, Yeah, 1611 01:46:50,640 --> 01:46:55,439 I wasn't like a big metal fan and all that I knew of like I 1612 01:46:55,560 --> 01:46:58,520 are made in a new like a number of the Beast and run to the 1613 01:46:58,560 --> 01:47:01,000 Hills and stuff, and I like that it was cool. Like I said, 1614 01:47:01,239 --> 01:47:06,560 just I wasn't a metal head. I wasn't really fully aware of like 1615 01:47:09,000 --> 01:47:15,119 you know, like metal as a thing. Yeah. Yeah, I'm kind 1616 01:47:15,119 --> 01:47:17,039 of saying, well I made and they weren't technically the first metal band I 1617 01:47:17,159 --> 01:47:19,920 liked. They are the band I kind of credit with turning me into like 1618 01:47:20,359 --> 01:47:24,560 a metal head. Yeah, and I so I knew that, but I 1619 01:47:24,640 --> 01:47:29,880 never really listened to. I mean, I remember I was in bed one 1620 01:47:30,000 --> 01:47:33,359 night, like it was like late one night, just flicking through the TV 1621 01:47:34,520 --> 01:47:39,640 and I think it was BBC four had on Flight six sixty six and I 1622 01:47:39,720 --> 01:47:43,000 was like, oh, cool, I are made in whatever. And then 1623 01:47:43,359 --> 01:47:47,359 I realized I absolutely loved it. Like all the songs that I never heard 1624 01:47:47,439 --> 01:47:53,439 before, like it is High for example, just rhyme of the Ancient Mariner 1625 01:47:53,479 --> 01:47:56,159 and stuff like that. I was like, wow, We've never this amazing, 1626 01:47:56,279 --> 01:47:59,560 Like I never heard of that, like and then the whole documentary to 1627 01:47:59,600 --> 01:48:03,359 go with Light six sixty six as well, um like yeah, And I 1628 01:48:03,439 --> 01:48:08,239 remember it was on BBC four for like a month straight, like every night. 1629 01:48:08,319 --> 01:48:10,239 Basically used to do that shit all the time. Do you ever watch 1630 01:48:10,319 --> 01:48:12,680 that Heavy Metal Britannia thing where they have like, oh, like the old 1631 01:48:12,680 --> 01:48:15,479 Great whistle Test stuff. It was Flight six sixty six and then it was 1632 01:48:15,520 --> 01:48:18,279 like heavy Metal Britannia right after, and that exact documentary is where I saw 1633 01:48:18,359 --> 01:48:20,279 all like the new with a Briach heavy metal bands the first time, like 1634 01:48:20,319 --> 01:48:24,560 diamond Head and all that yeah, and then yeah, then afterwards they would 1635 01:48:24,600 --> 01:48:28,000 have a thing called like heavy Metal at the BBC or something exactly. Yeah, 1636 01:48:28,439 --> 01:48:30,960 and then then I think they would like rotate it every day so it 1637 01:48:30,960 --> 01:48:36,399 would be like, oh, um, like yeah, I remember, yeah, 1638 01:48:36,439 --> 01:48:40,640 I used to watch all of that. Anything any metal documentary, any 1639 01:48:40,720 --> 01:48:45,479 rock documentary that's been on BBC four, I've seen it. Yeah. But 1640 01:48:45,600 --> 01:48:46,439 yeah, so I got into Flight six sixty six and I was like, 1641 01:48:46,479 --> 01:48:54,000 yeah, this amazing whatever, and then yeah, basically, I mean Live 1642 01:48:54,079 --> 01:48:58,199 After Death is basically just the same as Flight six sixty six, but back 1643 01:48:58,239 --> 01:49:00,399 in the eighties when I and they're like at the top of their game, 1644 01:49:01,039 --> 01:49:05,399 even though it's filmed like halfway through, halfway through their tour, I think, 1645 01:49:05,560 --> 01:49:10,720 like, so they've so they've done like loads of shows and they're tired 1646 01:49:11,319 --> 01:49:15,760 during the recording of this show. But yeah, for me, I think 1647 01:49:15,800 --> 01:49:21,399 it sounds amazing. The energies there. Um, the listing is great, 1648 01:49:21,479 --> 01:49:24,840 you know, it's kind of it's almost like the greatest hits of the time, 1649 01:49:24,920 --> 01:49:28,319 which so I guess choosing the live album is almost cheating, I guess, 1650 01:49:28,399 --> 01:49:32,000 But I mean you've got like Reme of the Ancient Mariner next to yeah, 1651 01:49:32,079 --> 01:49:39,079 like Revelations and how it would be thy name, Iron Made In Power 1652 01:49:39,119 --> 01:49:44,720 Slave. It's like it's it's basically the greatest hits but played with the energy 1653 01:49:45,840 --> 01:49:48,399 from the eighties. Yeah. So I don't know if you would have be 1654 01:49:48,439 --> 01:49:51,640 watching Saxon on the All Great Whistle Test, but you were noting ahead early 1655 01:49:51,760 --> 01:49:56,319 was it was Live after Death and early point for you too. Yeah, 1656 01:49:56,840 --> 01:49:59,520 amazing again one of those bands that will kind of like so on the present 1657 01:49:59,600 --> 01:50:01,560 for like game into Metal that like giving as you're getting to me, you're 1658 01:50:01,560 --> 01:50:04,119 just going to be getting into Iron Made In because they're going to be everywhere. 1659 01:50:04,800 --> 01:50:08,279 I remember catching some of those BBC things. I didn't quite watch it 1660 01:50:08,319 --> 01:50:11,840 as much of you, but I was like I have, yeah, like 1661 01:50:12,479 --> 01:50:15,039 sticking this on though, because I'm not listening to this, this particular live 1662 01:50:15,079 --> 01:50:17,399 album for a good while. It is just that it's nice to just sort 1663 01:50:17,399 --> 01:50:20,840 of get a reminder that, like God, Iron Made In, like in 1664 01:50:20,960 --> 01:50:25,800 the eighties are just untouchable, aren't they. Like when you can open your 1665 01:50:25,840 --> 01:50:29,760 life doing the opening two songs off Power Slave in Aciety and two its Beinn 1666 01:50:29,840 --> 01:50:33,439 and then dropped the Trooper straight after, and it's like bands just being able 1667 01:50:33,479 --> 01:50:38,640 to do that is just insane in it just out of lives because when I 1668 01:50:38,720 --> 01:50:41,800 was just ended up watching they have the whole like live recorded concert on YouTube, 1669 01:50:41,800 --> 01:50:44,319 as why I stuck that on just to watch the whole thing kind of 1670 01:50:44,680 --> 01:50:45,720 get the visual to go along with it as well, and it's just like, 1671 01:50:45,800 --> 01:50:49,359 man, it's so it's so good, even that I say they are 1672 01:50:49,520 --> 01:50:53,520 can be burnt out from touring at this point, but they are just giving 1673 01:50:53,560 --> 01:50:57,960 it everything and and just it is it is right, it is that greatest 1674 01:50:58,000 --> 01:51:00,560 hits off thing. I was like, it's quite heavily focused on Power Slave 1675 01:51:00,680 --> 01:51:03,079 being you know that. But if you just take the best songs of Power 1676 01:51:03,119 --> 01:51:08,079 Slave and then you just slot in the like untouchable hits off of the other 1677 01:51:08,159 --> 01:51:12,680 previous records, You've got essentially the perfect live album, haven't you. Well. 1678 01:51:12,680 --> 01:51:15,399 I mean this is like, you know, Iron made an slap bang 1679 01:51:15,439 --> 01:51:17,319 in the middle of their peak era live document and made and tend to treat 1680 01:51:17,359 --> 01:51:21,319 live albums more importantly as like chapter markers than any other band. I think, 1681 01:51:21,399 --> 01:51:25,199 like still to this day if you are a hardcore you know up the 1682 01:51:25,279 --> 01:51:28,760 Irons made until I die kind of fan then releasing the live album at the 1683 01:51:28,840 --> 01:51:30,199 end of the touring cycle that you went to is like a thing. And 1684 01:51:30,479 --> 01:51:35,520 I've yeah, I've got like fifty ironmade and DVDs like yeah, forever do 1685 01:51:35,680 --> 01:51:39,720 with like more. I am made the live album CDs and you'll have most 1686 01:51:39,760 --> 01:51:42,399 other bands, but like this. Of course, you know nineteen eighty five 1687 01:51:42,399 --> 01:51:44,720 of the World Slavery Tour, one of the most famous metal tours of all 1688 01:51:44,760 --> 01:51:47,439 time, famously played to like three hundred and fifty thousand people at the first 1689 01:51:47,520 --> 01:51:53,039 Rock in Rio. They did four nights at Long Beach where this is recorded, 1690 01:51:53,319 --> 01:51:57,680 five nights at the Hammersmith Odion where this ID is recorded. Fucking wild, 1691 01:51:57,800 --> 01:52:00,800 Like everything about this is stooped in history. I mean, even with 1692 01:52:00,920 --> 01:52:03,359 like all of the incredible album covers for their studio efforts, like probably the 1693 01:52:03,399 --> 01:52:06,960 most famous collection of covers of any metal band, A Live After Death one 1694 01:52:08,079 --> 01:52:11,119 is like right up there as a contender for the very best one, isn't 1695 01:52:11,119 --> 01:52:15,199 it. Like all the details like the HP Lovecraft quote here lies Edward the 1696 01:52:15,239 --> 01:52:19,079 head all that shit. You don't get that anymore. And I guess you 1697 01:52:19,119 --> 01:52:21,920 know Live after Death being the one that calls to you. You know, 1698 01:52:23,000 --> 01:52:26,000 We've not done many discussions of live albums to kind of in depth on the 1699 01:52:26,039 --> 01:52:28,960 show. And this is pretty much the most iconic heading that a live album 1700 01:52:29,319 --> 01:52:32,600 of all time, every single like Iron Maiden cliche, an idea that you 1701 01:52:32,680 --> 01:52:35,680 have ingrained into you about the Iron Maide and live show, apart from the 1702 01:52:35,720 --> 01:52:38,880 ones that are tied to songs that come later, like Fear of the Darker. 1703 01:52:39,279 --> 01:52:41,560 But all of it, you know, comes from this, all of 1704 01:52:41,600 --> 01:52:45,600 the scream formulong, beach, all of that, the stupid stage pantern, 1705 01:52:45,720 --> 01:52:48,720 like you're in California, why are you doing a Bruce forsythe like nice to 1706 01:52:48,760 --> 01:52:53,560 see you, to see you nice. It's so weirdly English, but like 1707 01:52:53,680 --> 01:52:57,279 it's all all comes from this, like you were saying, Sam, the 1708 01:52:57,399 --> 01:53:01,159 Churchill's speech into Aces High is one of the great iconic starts to any live 1709 01:53:01,239 --> 01:53:04,960 album. Yeah, and you've got like an intro tape that you play for 1710 01:53:05,079 --> 01:53:09,439 every show that you've tried to make your thing. Nah, No, we 1711 01:53:09,479 --> 01:53:13,920 haven't got to that stage yet. Um. Usually yeah, we just come 1712 01:53:13,960 --> 01:53:16,560 on and kind of starts smashing, Like to think about one, that's that's 1713 01:53:17,279 --> 01:53:20,079 just what every other band doesn't use. Run to the hills at the moment. 1714 01:53:20,520 --> 01:53:26,239 Yeah, Yeah, usually we just come on like smash the symbols and 1715 01:53:27,119 --> 01:53:29,600 you know, like do a big noise. Yeah, I'd love to have 1716 01:53:29,960 --> 01:53:34,600 something, but yeah, yeah, we did an album call about not long 1717 01:53:34,600 --> 01:53:38,399 ago, about somewhere in time because they're kind of upcoming, like Fiend tour 1718 01:53:38,720 --> 01:53:42,960 that they're doing, and that obviously takes him into their like later eighties slightly 1719 01:53:43,000 --> 01:53:45,680 more textured and progressive era, which is just after this album. This is 1720 01:53:45,760 --> 01:53:50,079 just you know, pure absolute heavy metal era I made. And I imagine, 1721 01:53:50,079 --> 01:53:53,680 of course you probably are a fan of like seven seven, seventh Sern 1722 01:53:53,840 --> 01:53:56,760 and so on. Like lots of people have their favorite metal record. Yeah, 1723 01:53:56,920 --> 01:54:00,439 my favorite is Power Sleeve and probably why this is my favorite fair enough 1724 01:54:00,560 --> 01:54:02,279 yeah thing because it's yeah, like you said, it's basically it's it's like 1725 01:54:02,479 --> 01:54:06,880 the Power Slave Tour and it's got um. Yeah, but yeah, I'm 1726 01:54:06,880 --> 01:54:12,159 a fan. Best songs on there, yeah, power Slave in rhyme of 1727 01:54:12,159 --> 01:54:16,359 the Ancient mariner Um. I think probably my favorite one from Power Slave or 1728 01:54:16,439 --> 01:54:19,479 one of my favorites is back in the Village and Wow. But the only 1729 01:54:19,520 --> 01:54:24,640 person on Earth he's ever said that I liked it. I know, I 1730 01:54:24,760 --> 01:54:27,279 like it to be fair but wow. Yeah, it's so strange. I 1731 01:54:27,479 --> 01:54:30,439 didn't realize like when I started, Like like you would go on like Reddit 1732 01:54:30,560 --> 01:54:33,239 and it was like, oh, rank the Power Slave songs or forums or 1733 01:54:33,239 --> 01:54:35,560 whatever, and they'd be like, right, they're all ten out of ten, 1734 01:54:35,680 --> 01:54:38,840 but this was a zero out of ten. Everyone hates this, and 1735 01:54:38,880 --> 01:54:41,640 I'm like, we've always got those everything, Like it's like Invaders on a 1736 01:54:41,760 --> 01:54:43,960 gang Bland on Number of the Beasts, which is my favorite record, And 1737 01:54:44,039 --> 01:54:45,680 yeah, I don't I don't like those songs the best, but I do 1738 01:54:45,800 --> 01:54:47,439 like those songs. Yeah, yeah, Back in the Village it's just it's 1739 01:54:47,439 --> 01:54:50,960 so speed metal for me. It's just the guitar is cool and fair enough. 1740 01:54:51,279 --> 01:54:54,800 That's a big yeah. I mean the riff on there, it's like, 1741 01:54:55,119 --> 01:54:58,359 you know, like very left hand hammer hammer on pool off kind of 1742 01:54:58,439 --> 01:55:02,119 thing, similar to the they kind of like Megadeth like thing. So you're 1743 01:55:02,319 --> 01:55:05,840 the only person who would say, live after death the only way to make 1744 01:55:05,880 --> 01:55:12,680 it more perfect back in the Village themselves. Possibly possibly, Yeah, I 1745 01:55:12,800 --> 01:55:16,079 do love that. Like touring Power Slaves, it's such a cocky album somehow, 1746 01:55:16,079 --> 01:55:19,359 because like there's often you know, Seventh Son and that they're they're thoughtful 1747 01:55:19,439 --> 01:55:24,319 records. Ace is high like two minutes to midnight when that riff comes in 1748 01:55:24,399 --> 01:55:28,920 on here, they are such like cock sure flamboyant heavy metal songs. It's 1749 01:55:28,960 --> 01:55:31,960 the most maiden ever sounded, just like absolute rock stars. And then when 1750 01:55:32,000 --> 01:55:36,199 you have Piece of Mind right before it with the Trooper, just like you 1751 01:55:36,279 --> 01:55:41,600 know, the most absolute gung ho flying the flag for heavy metal thing that 1752 01:55:41,640 --> 01:55:45,199 you can imagine. Like those early Dickinson albums in particular are so just like 1753 01:55:45,439 --> 01:55:48,479 Beasts. Yeah, yeah, I totally agree, and the yeah and You've 1754 01:55:48,520 --> 01:55:54,399 Got Yeah, it's just such a it's just such a like like the whole 1755 01:55:54,600 --> 01:55:58,359 live show thing, like the whole presentations there, you know they all they're 1756 01:55:58,399 --> 01:56:03,199 all dressed and they're their spandex there and trousers going on in the eighties. 1757 01:56:03,399 --> 01:56:08,239 Yeah, exactly. Yeah, it's like the whole live show thing. The 1758 01:56:08,399 --> 01:56:14,000 energy is amazing and yeah yeah, and Live after Death is like a super 1759 01:56:14,079 --> 01:56:17,319 aggressive performance as well, Like it's not their most finessed live show, Like 1760 01:56:17,359 --> 01:56:20,720 you know, you mentioned, they're kind of tired. I think like Bruce 1761 01:56:20,840 --> 01:56:25,239 probably does sound better on some of the later ones like Rocking Rio and stuff 1762 01:56:25,279 --> 01:56:27,800 like that. He kind of has his quality on here of almost like shouting 1763 01:56:27,880 --> 01:56:30,680 every single line so relentlessly in these eighties shows. But this is just them 1764 01:56:30,760 --> 01:56:34,960 like again you know, youthful Iron Made and just throwing themselves into fired up. 1765 01:56:35,039 --> 01:56:38,560 Yeah, like just barreling through these songs that their lives depend on it. 1766 01:56:38,960 --> 01:56:41,199 Yeah, Like a lot of my favorite stuff is kind of like that. 1767 01:56:41,399 --> 01:56:46,359 Like if you like the one of the first like Metallica live thing, 1768 01:56:46,560 --> 01:56:50,960 like they kill them all one where Hetfields like really tired. Yeah, you 1769 01:56:51,039 --> 01:56:55,439 know his voice, he's like sometimes he's like losing his voice, like throughout 1770 01:56:55,800 --> 01:56:58,680 some of the songs he's not really in tune and stuff, And it's like 1771 01:56:58,720 --> 01:57:03,000 one of my favorites. Like just the kind of the energy is there in 1772 01:57:03,159 --> 01:57:08,159 that, like the energy of the live show kind of just it's more important 1773 01:57:08,239 --> 01:57:15,079 than like the being one hundred percent perfect like sounding. I think that's it's 1774 01:57:15,079 --> 01:57:16,439 because like you can listen to the m versions if you want, the sort 1775 01:57:16,439 --> 01:57:20,319 of the Pristian version, but having this lives and particular being these songs sounding 1776 01:57:20,399 --> 01:57:24,720 really just raw and and maybe a little bit rough around the edges, but 1777 01:57:25,439 --> 01:57:29,439 having that passion and that intensity to that you don't necessarily always think of when 1778 01:57:29,439 --> 01:57:30,600 you think of Iron Made in so it's cool to have this sort of document 1779 01:57:30,680 --> 01:57:34,039 of them. Eighty five one. They are just so like, let's just 1780 01:57:34,119 --> 01:57:38,199 attack. There's evan we've got And when we watch the video with like Bruce 1781 01:57:38,359 --> 01:57:42,399 is like waving the flag around and the trooper like frantically like and it just 1782 01:57:43,239 --> 01:57:47,279 characters entire performance. It just gives you songs a different energy to their studio 1783 01:57:47,399 --> 01:57:49,640 counterpart. Yeah. I mean you can really hear on this, you know, 1784 01:57:49,840 --> 01:57:55,039 captured on record from Long Beach Arena thirty eight years ago, how much 1785 01:57:55,119 --> 01:58:00,760 that Steve Harris engine, Like the power and force on his base on is 1786 01:58:00,960 --> 01:58:04,279 staggering. It is like peak machine gun pointing at the audience. Harris Like 1787 01:58:04,319 --> 01:58:09,319 they seem to play Flight of Vicarus on this so much faster than the album 1788 01:58:09,439 --> 01:58:14,039 version. Yeah, and yeah, I think maybe one of my favorites from 1789 01:58:14,079 --> 01:58:16,640 this one's probably Revelations. I was about to say that, Yeah, like 1790 01:58:16,760 --> 01:58:19,359 one of the most sensitive songs they have in their arsenal at this time, 1791 01:58:19,600 --> 01:58:24,399 and yet the main riff at the start is like comically brash and loud. 1792 01:58:25,279 --> 01:58:29,319 Yeah, and it's been a while since I watched the actual thing. I 1793 01:58:29,680 --> 01:58:32,399 listened to it. It's I listened to this whenever I listened to like Iron 1794 01:58:32,439 --> 01:58:36,279 Maiden really unless it's like a later period, like I usually listen to this 1795 01:58:36,359 --> 01:58:40,760 instead of the studio versions. It's been a while since I actually watched it. 1796 01:58:40,920 --> 01:58:45,439 I'm pretty sure Bruce Dickinson like plays the guitar on Revelations, like the 1797 01:58:45,520 --> 01:58:48,000 third guitar or something. Yeah, it makes sense to film to be because 1798 01:58:48,079 --> 01:58:51,640 one of more sort of detailed songs. But like again the caller response before 1799 01:58:51,640 --> 01:58:57,119 the faster section with the bum cheer bum. Yeah, like it's again just 1800 01:58:57,399 --> 01:59:02,279 essential you know, heavy metal moments. Yeah, and yeah, it's like 1801 01:59:02,399 --> 01:59:04,680 you mentioned, it's like right in the middle of the eighties. It's like 1802 01:59:04,800 --> 01:59:09,960 proper. It's like it's heavy metal, like it's before we before they did 1803 01:59:10,039 --> 01:59:15,880 their like Seventh Son and all that, before they got a bit more complex 1804 01:59:15,000 --> 01:59:19,439 and stuff. And yeah, just it's just right in that period of proper 1805 01:59:20,039 --> 01:59:24,680 just heavy metal. Yeah, I mean, I still I haven't said that, 1806 01:59:24,720 --> 01:59:27,199 you know, from a hell reperspective. Again, obviously, there's been 1807 01:59:27,199 --> 01:59:29,720 lots of talk about this kind of this black speed metal project, which is 1808 01:59:29,720 --> 01:59:32,560 a genre that you know traditionally works in kind of small violent doses. On 1809 01:59:32,680 --> 01:59:34,840 your new album, it's branched out more if these kind of you know, 1810 01:59:35,119 --> 01:59:39,439 multi pronged, like elaborate epic songwriting, and I was wondering, you know, 1811 01:59:39,520 --> 01:59:42,079 what we might get from you in terms of that side with this with 1812 01:59:42,199 --> 01:59:45,720 this album Roulette and again, yeah, we've mentioned Metallica prog bands like Opeth 1813 01:59:45,840 --> 01:59:48,359 or whatever, but I guess it's appropriate that we have just like the quintessential 1814 01:59:48,720 --> 01:59:53,880 metal explorers when it comes to these kind of epic tracks. Yeah. Yeah, 1815 01:59:53,960 --> 01:59:58,000 I mean the harmonies I remade in kind of you know, they're known 1816 01:59:58,119 --> 02:00:03,920 for the guitar harmonies, and then every heavy metal band afterwards like like do 1817 02:00:04,079 --> 02:00:09,760 the ironmediate like it's just become like the heavy metal thing. And of course, 1818 02:00:09,840 --> 02:00:12,560 yeah, hill Rapper used that a lot, especially on the new album. 1819 02:00:12,640 --> 02:00:14,960 There's a lot of harmonies. When I listened back, there's like so 1820 02:00:15,159 --> 02:00:20,840 much guitar harmonies, and yeah, that's probably like eighty percent because of iron 1821 02:00:20,920 --> 02:00:25,880 media. Yeah. Again, you know, in terms of what you're saying 1822 02:00:25,880 --> 02:00:28,119 about kind of you know, again stumbling across this as a kid and stuff 1823 02:00:28,119 --> 02:00:30,439 like that. Like when I first heard Ryan with the Ancient Mariner, I 1824 02:00:30,560 --> 02:00:32,239 had never heard like a thirteen minute song before, you know what I mean? 1825 02:00:32,399 --> 02:00:34,520 And then when they perform it on this again, like the first five 1826 02:00:34,600 --> 02:00:38,960 minutes of it are such insane gusto, Like we're talking about this record, 1827 02:00:39,000 --> 02:00:42,920 they just shotgun the whole thing. But live that like midsection with the creaking 1828 02:00:42,960 --> 02:00:45,479 boat sounds and everything. Yeah, somehow it's even cooler live than it is 1829 02:00:45,520 --> 02:00:47,680 on record. And that's the kind of thing where a lot of bands could 1830 02:00:47,720 --> 02:00:50,720 try that and it just get lost because they're in this massive arena space and 1831 02:00:50,800 --> 02:00:55,239 you've stopped the bangers to do this weird, off putting kind of slow thing. 1832 02:00:55,640 --> 02:00:58,359 But for Iron Made, it becomes one of the biggest moments of theater, 1833 02:00:58,479 --> 02:01:01,840 which they really understand. Yeah. Yeah, that was my favorite song 1834 02:01:01,920 --> 02:01:05,640 initially, Rayman the Intient Miner. Like when I first heard well, flight 1835 02:01:05,720 --> 02:01:08,960 six sixty six, As I mentioned before, like when I first heard flight 1836 02:01:09,079 --> 02:01:14,600 six six six, Ray raym of the Intient Maner was like like I never 1837 02:01:14,640 --> 02:01:15,680 heard it before, and I was like, wow, this is yeah, 1838 02:01:16,039 --> 02:01:19,319 that's amazing. Uh yeah, thirteen minutes, I was like wow, this 1839 02:01:19,560 --> 02:01:24,119 like it seems to never end, and like it goes to the quiet bit 1840 02:01:24,159 --> 02:01:29,720 you think it might end, and then it comes back with the scream when 1841 02:01:29,840 --> 02:01:32,199 when the base brings it back with that high register. It's like the most 1842 02:01:32,279 --> 02:01:34,840 stirring moments in the maid and Ga like even you must like that song sad, 1843 02:01:35,199 --> 02:01:39,960 although that's like that song is incredible, Like that is how you write 1844 02:01:39,960 --> 02:01:43,840 a thirteen minute epic is like the blueprint for doing that. And this live 1845 02:01:43,880 --> 02:01:45,960 performance a bit how it just you know, it's smack bang in the middle 1846 02:01:45,960 --> 02:01:49,840 of the set like bruces the weird rambling thing, but to introduce it and 1847 02:01:49,920 --> 02:01:53,479 then they just go into it. It was like, you know, this 1848 02:01:53,640 --> 02:01:56,000 is a lesson than what not to do when a bird shit's on you or 1849 02:01:56,039 --> 02:01:59,640 something. You know, this one was written long before, in the Victorian 1850 02:01:59,720 --> 02:02:02,199 time when they could smoke weed legally and all that, Like yeah, going 1851 02:02:02,239 --> 02:02:06,760 off all about that, and it's based on a poem like like it's so 1852 02:02:08,319 --> 02:02:11,880 but it's like the song, it's just it's just all the possible because again 1853 02:02:12,159 --> 02:02:15,159 that first part but it is still really just like rocking heavy metal. And 1854 02:02:15,239 --> 02:02:18,119 then is when you build to the theater of the sort of the middle part 1855 02:02:18,119 --> 02:02:20,920 of the slow stuff part and when it builds back in it is, like 1856 02:02:21,000 --> 02:02:25,159 I say, it is the textbook exam of how to write that kind of 1857 02:02:26,359 --> 02:02:28,960 metal Weapon, and I'm guessing like the newer Hell Ripper record, when you've 1858 02:02:28,960 --> 02:02:32,720 got those longer, kind of more storytelling songs on there was this yeah sort 1859 02:02:32,760 --> 02:02:35,399 of thing like when you looked at a song like round with Inch Mariner when 1860 02:02:35,399 --> 02:02:40,760 you're writing them. Yeah, yeah, especially, Yeah, it's always kind 1861 02:02:40,800 --> 02:02:44,319 of when you're writing a longer song, it's always you know, you know, 1862 02:02:44,439 --> 02:02:47,039 more difficult because you're like, you're you're a weird trait, you're trait 1863 02:02:47,119 --> 02:02:50,880 of you are aware not to make it drag on and yeah, I have 1864 02:02:51,039 --> 02:02:55,680 so many longer songs. Yeah, exactly, me too, And but a 1865 02:02:55,720 --> 02:02:59,079 lot of my favorite songs are longer songs, Like even bands like I'm one 1866 02:02:59,079 --> 02:03:01,840 of my favorite bands ever, Opeth, even Metallica, I mean all their 1867 02:03:01,880 --> 02:03:06,239 songs are like eight minutes long. And yeah, you've got the rhyme of 1868 02:03:06,279 --> 02:03:12,439 the ancient Mariner or merciful Fate, you know, Saints Fall, stuff like 1869 02:03:12,560 --> 02:03:17,079 that, they're done so well. But there are so many long songs that 1870 02:03:17,119 --> 02:03:20,800 are not done well. And by the time, by the time you're three 1871 02:03:20,840 --> 02:03:25,600 minutes in, you're like, wow, it should not end, and you 1872 02:03:25,720 --> 02:03:30,640 look and it's like ten minutes left, and you're like Jesus so that the 1873 02:03:30,640 --> 02:03:34,680 ancient man. Yeah, So trying to kind of yeah, trying to like 1874 02:03:34,880 --> 02:03:41,119 study you know, like study that's the right word, like how songs like 1875 02:03:41,239 --> 02:03:46,079 that work and why you like them even though they're so long and so yeah, 1876 02:03:46,159 --> 02:03:50,439 like yeah, storytelling and stuff. Just try to keep them interesting. 1877 02:03:50,960 --> 02:03:55,680 M Yeah, but yeah, Iron Maiden or a band I think do it 1878 02:03:55,800 --> 02:03:59,880 well for the most part. Yeah, I mean the new hell Ripper record, 1879 02:03:59,920 --> 02:04:00,920 like were saying earlier, it's kind of moved into a lot more topics 1880 02:04:00,960 --> 02:04:04,000 around, like mythology and you know, like dark Scottish folklore and stuff like 1881 02:04:04,079 --> 02:04:06,840 that. And you know, I don't necessarily see you go in full history 1882 02:04:06,920 --> 02:04:11,119 nerd charge of the Light Brigade like like I know them, but they've done 1883 02:04:11,159 --> 02:04:13,800 their fair share of stuff like that, and you know that maybe one of 1884 02:04:13,840 --> 02:04:16,600 the kind of the great bands who kind of instilled that interest in like literature 1885 02:04:16,680 --> 02:04:19,800 and that slightly more academic side of heavy metal, I guess than just you 1886 02:04:19,880 --> 02:04:24,199 know, acting like a maniac whiplash. Yeah, you know, it's funny 1887 02:04:24,239 --> 02:04:27,600 with what you're doing as well, Like there isn't really another form of contemporary 1888 02:04:27,720 --> 02:04:30,000 music outside of just going like straight to folk music and stuff like that from 1889 02:04:30,000 --> 02:04:33,640 the kind of the appropriate regions that feels as ripe for telling those kind of 1890 02:04:33,680 --> 02:04:39,880 stories as heavy metal is. Yeah, I guess so yeah, yeah, 1891 02:04:40,000 --> 02:04:42,840 I've never really given it much thought, to be honest, but yea, 1892 02:04:42,840 --> 02:04:45,079 I like even the stuff they invent almost becomes like its own mythology, Like 1893 02:04:45,199 --> 02:04:48,880 everyone knows the story of the man waiting to be hanged in howebby of that 1894 02:04:49,000 --> 02:04:50,920 name, you know, it might as well be something else that has been 1895 02:04:51,239 --> 02:04:56,520 written before them. Yeah, yeah, I know, yeah, they're Yeah. 1896 02:04:56,720 --> 02:05:00,000 The lyrically they're like great and a I believe eve, I mean going 1897 02:05:00,039 --> 02:05:04,199 back to the the Scottish thing with hell Rapper what do you call it, 1898 02:05:04,399 --> 02:05:11,439 Number of the Beast is influenced by Tamil Shanter I believe. So you've got 1899 02:05:11,520 --> 02:05:15,600 that there, But that's a little link there, I guess. But yeah, 1900 02:05:15,880 --> 02:05:23,479 Iron made and definitely kind of exposed um like me as well to a 1901 02:05:23,560 --> 02:05:28,840 lot of yeah, literature and stories and you know, Flight of a Chorus, 1902 02:05:29,199 --> 02:05:32,359 um, Yeah, Rum of the Ancient Mariner, stuff like that, 1903 02:05:32,479 --> 02:05:36,920 Like definitely kind of it's like some of these bands that m yeah, when 1904 02:05:36,960 --> 02:05:43,039 you're a younger, when you're younger, especially or for me, like you're 1905 02:05:43,119 --> 02:05:45,119 more inclined to be interested in like a topic because you're like, oh, 1906 02:05:45,159 --> 02:05:47,079 wow, I heard it in an Iron Maiden song. It must be cool. 1907 02:05:47,600 --> 02:05:51,720 You know, all this is cool because whatever whoever sang about it. 1908 02:05:54,239 --> 02:05:58,880 So yeah, they they can be credited for getting a lot of that kind 1909 02:05:58,920 --> 02:06:03,600 of stuff into people's minds again and you know, like again Number of the 1910 02:06:03,640 --> 02:06:06,399 Beast, with all the kind of the Ferrara that had around. It's like 1911 02:06:06,479 --> 02:06:12,239 releasing everything then you know, attacking that on this but it's like still fresh 1912 02:06:12,279 --> 02:06:14,680 and they were probably still people out there upset about that. You know. 1913 02:06:14,720 --> 02:06:15,840 That's still that's still cool to me. And I think, obviously not as 1914 02:06:15,880 --> 02:06:20,239 a as a not as a child of the eighties, the people who tend 1915 02:06:20,319 --> 02:06:23,279 to hold this record the closest are those people who are like, you know, 1916 02:06:23,359 --> 02:06:25,439 kids when it came out and it was like the heavy metal gateway or 1917 02:06:25,479 --> 02:06:29,479 whatever. I really value like you know, live recordings and everything of these 1918 02:06:29,560 --> 02:06:31,279 great bands at this time because they kind of tap into that thing that you 1919 02:06:31,359 --> 02:06:35,000 maybe don't appreciate growing up at a time when they are older. You know, 1920 02:06:35,119 --> 02:06:39,960 music's got one so much more extreme or whatever. Like these classic bands 1921 02:06:40,039 --> 02:06:43,560 as like genuinely dangerous and having that kind of allure of darkness to them. 1922 02:06:43,960 --> 02:06:45,439 For I made it's particularly interesting because a lot of people to think they're kind 1923 02:06:45,439 --> 02:06:48,880 of lame or whatever. But like again the type track power Slave on this 1924 02:06:49,279 --> 02:06:53,760 and that has that like live intro of that horrible whale. Then they brings 1925 02:06:53,760 --> 02:06:56,720 it in and like the sheer bluster and force of their playing on that song, 1926 02:06:57,439 --> 02:07:00,159 there's a real convincing like darkness and heavy when you hear them playing that 1927 02:07:00,279 --> 02:07:04,479 here. Yeah, yeah, like going back to yeah, just what you 1928 02:07:04,560 --> 02:07:09,359 said, they're like the the live stuff from this time, Yeah, I 1929 02:07:09,439 --> 02:07:14,600 think, yeah, being someone like from like they got into metal, like 1930 02:07:15,359 --> 02:07:18,199 how long what was this eighty five? I got into metal what twenty five 1931 02:07:18,319 --> 02:07:25,800 years after this? Almost, So there was so like I was, I 1932 02:07:25,960 --> 02:07:29,199 was kind of exposed to you know, Yeah, I knew about Cannibal Corps 1933 02:07:29,279 --> 02:07:31,159 and whatever, death metal and stuff. So yeah, like you say, 1934 02:07:31,199 --> 02:07:38,600 stuff like this, it doesn't seem so provocative or so dangerous or whatever now, 1935 02:07:39,119 --> 02:07:44,119 but yeah, back then it would have been crazy and sometimes like yeah, 1936 02:07:44,720 --> 02:07:48,880 going back like like live albums to kind of get that across again, 1937 02:07:48,960 --> 02:07:53,319 going back to Metallica, as I always do, like the live live in 1938 02:07:53,439 --> 02:08:01,279 Seattle. Yeah, that album, that's just it's like Metallica but double speed 1939 02:08:01,439 --> 02:08:05,760 and ten times more aggressive than the albums and everything. And yeah, it's 1940 02:08:05,399 --> 02:08:11,319 it's good to hear because often not in these cases, but yeah, sometimes 1941 02:08:11,359 --> 02:08:16,039 the albums when they were released at that time, the production doesn't like do 1942 02:08:16,119 --> 02:08:20,920 them justice as well, you know, like the early seventies or say eighties 1943 02:08:20,000 --> 02:08:24,880 or whatever. Or I guess even if you want to say, like Metallica 1944 02:08:24,880 --> 02:08:28,439 as the example and Justice for All, maybe doesn't even do the songs justice. 1945 02:08:28,479 --> 02:08:31,920 And now you get the live albums that sometimes are recorded better than the 1946 02:08:33,760 --> 02:08:39,319 album the albums that they're on more aggressive or whatever. And that's yeah, 1947 02:08:39,359 --> 02:08:45,159 why I picked this. I just think the songs sound better or are played 1948 02:08:45,239 --> 02:08:48,239 me or maybe it's just the way they're played. I just prefer these versions 1949 02:08:48,319 --> 02:08:54,119 to the studio versions for the most part. Yeah, hilarious. Have they 1950 02:08:54,119 --> 02:08:58,600 even turned Running for You to a night minute song? Isn't it? That 1951 02:08:58,720 --> 02:09:01,000 little stage be a bit in the middle of that just cracks me up? 1952 02:09:01,039 --> 02:09:05,039 How like pantomime it gets just get fun like yeah, and it matter how 1953 02:09:05,119 --> 02:09:07,800 that's like such an iconic live song for them, and yet they don't actually 1954 02:09:07,840 --> 02:09:09,000 do it on like two out of three tours. Nowadays, they've got like 1955 02:09:09,079 --> 02:09:13,439 so many tracks that are able to grab the spotlight certainly, Like, how 1956 02:09:13,479 --> 02:09:15,880 are you on seeing Maiden? You know these days? Are you still into 1957 02:09:16,600 --> 02:09:20,000 Eddie pottering about and having his little fights with Yannak and that? Yeah? 1958 02:09:20,159 --> 02:09:22,079 I think. I mean, it's part of the whole thing I have. 1959 02:09:22,159 --> 02:09:28,399 I've only seen them once and it was the final Frontier tourn haven't seen them 1960 02:09:28,439 --> 02:09:31,880 since actually, but yeah, it's it's all. Part of the thing is 1961 02:09:31,880 --> 02:09:35,880 that it's like a Goods it's a stage show. It's kind of what you 1962 02:09:35,000 --> 02:09:39,039 expect. It's it's fun that kind of it fits their image, you know. 1963 02:09:39,159 --> 02:09:45,600 It's yeah, it's it's meeting. They can do whatever the fuck they 1964 02:09:45,640 --> 02:09:48,439 want kind of. I mean, yeah, they're gonna bring out a guy 1965 02:09:48,479 --> 02:09:50,560 in a goat costume to you know, rock out with you. Oh, 1966 02:09:50,640 --> 02:09:54,119 We've got people in gold masks all the time coming off on stage and crowd 1967 02:09:54,239 --> 02:09:58,000 surfing and I love it. I absolutely love it. Maybe maybe we'll get 1968 02:09:58,000 --> 02:10:03,079 to the stage where we can have a twenty foot goat wandering around. That 1969 02:10:03,159 --> 02:10:07,560 would be amazing. Also, just god damn, the last few minutes of 1970 02:10:07,600 --> 02:10:11,479 Hall'll be by Name live just like absolutely nothing psychic. Yeah, new Hell 1971 02:10:11,600 --> 02:10:16,760 Ripper album, Warlocks, Grim and Withered Hags is out now, is excellent 1972 02:10:16,960 --> 02:10:18,479 if you are listening to this as it goes out. Hell Ripper are touring 1973 02:10:18,479 --> 02:10:22,439 in the UK this week with Warbringer. James I swear me and your band 1974 02:10:22,479 --> 02:10:26,279 are slightly cursed in terms of dates never lighting up, but at some point 1975 02:10:26,319 --> 02:10:30,479 on the cycle it's got to happen because the record Rips. Thank you so 1976 02:10:30,640 --> 02:10:33,319 much for thank you coming on and chatting heavy metal with us. Thank you 1977 02:10:33,359 --> 02:10:35,239 so much for having me man. Yeah, I appreciate and thanks for the 1978 02:10:35,319 --> 02:10:41,760 kine words, and thank you for listening to my thoughts on Chili Peppers and 1979 02:10:41,840 --> 02:10:45,319 their lyrics. Yeah, so Psycho Sexy. It's been a pleasure. Go 1980 02:10:45,760 --> 02:10:48,760 check out Hell Ripper. We are going to be back here within the week 1981 02:10:48,800 --> 02:10:50,479 with our next round of album clubs only that's a matter Patreon, and we 1982 02:10:50,560 --> 02:10:54,079 do a show here every week where we're talking about all good news stuff. 1983 02:10:54,159 --> 02:10:56,000 Thank you everybody for listening. See you next time.