WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.439 --> 00:00:05.719 The four oh one Files explores the world of the unexplained, cryptids and more. 2 00:00:06.360 --> 00:00:11.240 Subscribe now to the four oh one Files on YouTube. Join the adventure 3 00:00:11.720 --> 00:00:16.160 into the unknown. Today, I want to tell you about a journey that 4 00:00:16.199 --> 00:00:18.960 I've been on for most of my life. Ever since I was a kid, 5 00:00:19.039 --> 00:00:22.320 I've heard tales of bigfoot and wild men while spending time with my friends 6 00:00:22.359 --> 00:00:26.280 and family. As I grew older and read more about the paranormal, my 7 00:00:26.359 --> 00:00:31.039 interest encryptids and other things strange only deepened. That's why I'm so excited to 8 00:00:31.039 --> 00:00:35.399 share with you what I've personally become involved with. 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You 26 00:02:06.719 --> 00:02:09.120 can get me a Brian at Paranormal Worldproductions dot com. Get head over to 27 00:02:09.120 --> 00:02:13.840 the website, check out the blog, become a member there and help support 28 00:02:13.840 --> 00:02:17.719 the show. This is round two of Rick from North Carolina. We had 29 00:02:17.840 --> 00:02:22.199 round one on Friday, and as promised, this is round two. I 30 00:02:22.240 --> 00:02:25.199 think you're really going to enjoy this part of the conversation and I have added 31 00:02:25.240 --> 00:02:30.680 the audio in from Danny and i's weird experience that we had while camping here, 32 00:02:31.039 --> 00:02:34.759 I guess a couple of months ago. At this point, don't forget 33 00:02:34.759 --> 00:02:38.159 to head over to the website Pairanormal World Productions dot com. You can check 34 00:02:38.159 --> 00:02:40.560 out the blog there and see the photographs that Rick's in over to me if 35 00:02:40.560 --> 00:02:46.199 some of the strange tree structures and formations that he's found out in the woods 36 00:02:46.240 --> 00:02:49.120 while doing his research. I have all of those posted over there on the 37 00:02:49.120 --> 00:02:51.639 blog, so you could take a look at those. But enough of that, 38 00:02:51.719 --> 00:02:53.719 I know you're ready to get into it. So all this left for 39 00:02:53.759 --> 00:03:15.960 you to do is sit back, relax, and enjoy the show. Let's 40 00:03:15.960 --> 00:03:17.479 talk a little bit about the stick structures. I want to talk about some 41 00:03:17.520 --> 00:03:21.759 habituation stuff as well, but let's get into the stick structures because that's something 42 00:03:21.800 --> 00:03:25.639 that I have again not put a lot of credence in, honestly because in 43 00:03:25.719 --> 00:03:30.280 my opinion less so now after taking the trip up to Radium that I took 44 00:03:30.400 --> 00:03:36.400 last year, stick structures and particularly breaks for example, to me, are 45 00:03:36.560 --> 00:03:42.919 very subjective. They are anecdotal evidence at best because it could be something natural 46 00:03:42.919 --> 00:03:45.840 that happens to these things. Now, I did see a ton of what 47 00:03:45.960 --> 00:03:52.120 I consider to be tree breaks or I guess structures in some fashion. While 48 00:03:52.159 --> 00:03:54.719 I was up in Radium last year, but there were so many of them. 49 00:03:54.759 --> 00:03:58.479 It was one of the most prevalent things out there, next to the 50 00:03:58.479 --> 00:04:01.599 footprints that people have seen. You'll see these if you watch the Discovering Bigfoot 51 00:04:01.639 --> 00:04:05.080 documentary out on Netflix or wherever you can watch it. You'll see this stuff. 52 00:04:05.080 --> 00:04:10.360 In Ty's research area, they are literally everywhere. Driving in on this 53 00:04:10.879 --> 00:04:15.680 stretch of logging road to get to base camp are hundreds of what looked like 54 00:04:15.759 --> 00:04:19.439 tree breaks. Every time I'd go hiking in just whatever direction I would pick, 55 00:04:19.439 --> 00:04:24.160 I would find these things. And I'm assuming that some of them, 56 00:04:24.199 --> 00:04:28.240 probably the majority of them were natural. I even considered that Todd was going 57 00:04:28.279 --> 00:04:31.399 around for weeks and months and years that he's been there breaking these trees and 58 00:04:31.879 --> 00:04:35.040 having Yahoo's like me come in and go ooh, look at all the tree 59 00:04:35.079 --> 00:04:39.720 breaks. Eventually I got to a point where we had been to places I 60 00:04:39.720 --> 00:04:42.839 don't know that Todd had even been, and I was finding these things. 61 00:04:42.839 --> 00:04:45.839 We found this one particular tree structure. I want to get into the details. 62 00:04:45.879 --> 00:04:48.639 I've talked about it on the show, but there was this one hundred 63 00:04:48.680 --> 00:04:54.680 foot tall, three hundred year old tree. And there's eighty foot long trees 64 00:04:54.720 --> 00:04:58.399 that are propped up exactly due north, due south, and there was a 65 00:04:58.439 --> 00:05:02.000 third one that was almost east well, but not really on this tree. 66 00:05:02.560 --> 00:05:06.000 And these things had clearly been on the ground. There was rot, there 67 00:05:06.040 --> 00:05:10.279 was wet where these trees. You know, a tree's been laying on the 68 00:05:10.279 --> 00:05:12.959 ground and if you pick it up you can tell the difference in one side 69 00:05:13.040 --> 00:05:15.839 or the other. So I know these were moved, and I know Todd's 70 00:05:15.879 --> 00:05:19.160 been back there since I've seen the videos on his channel. He went back 71 00:05:19.199 --> 00:05:23.720 a week later after I left. There's no root ball for these things, 72 00:05:23.720 --> 00:05:27.560 so they were moved and put there right yep. So I don't know what 73 00:05:27.639 --> 00:05:31.160 to make of that. I'll ask you. You've written books about tree structures 74 00:05:31.199 --> 00:05:34.879 and these tree breaks. What do you make of these things? What are 75 00:05:34.879 --> 00:05:40.319 they doing them for. I've found and seen things that don't make sense that 76 00:05:40.759 --> 00:05:43.439 looked like teepee structures. There's one in my book. If you pick up 77 00:05:43.439 --> 00:05:46.199 Sasquatch on Least Truths Behind the Legend, you'll see that in the book. 78 00:05:46.800 --> 00:05:48.959 We found it at the back of our neighbor's property about a mile away from 79 00:05:49.000 --> 00:05:54.439 here. It's like a nine foot teepee structure. I don't know why they 80 00:05:54.480 --> 00:05:58.639 would make these. It's not going to serve any purpose as far as keeping 81 00:05:58.680 --> 00:06:01.480 them dry or even keep them out of the wind, per se. Talk 82 00:06:01.519 --> 00:06:04.600 about the stick structures. What have you found, what have you come to 83 00:06:04.680 --> 00:06:09.720 understand about them, and what do you think they're doing them for? Yeah? 84 00:06:09.800 --> 00:06:12.560 Great, I'm glad you brought it up. Congratulations in the book too. 85 00:06:13.079 --> 00:06:15.360 That's really cool. I like that. I think it's great to you're 86 00:06:15.360 --> 00:06:19.560 okay to talk about it. I'll make the plug right here. Here's the 87 00:06:19.920 --> 00:06:25.240 deal guy, the bigfoot stick structures. I'm in my fourth edition on this, 88 00:06:25.600 --> 00:06:29.439 So this is a small backpack. But the book you can put it 89 00:06:29.439 --> 00:06:31.240 and you can get it on our Etsy store. I know, Squatch and 90 00:06:31.399 --> 00:06:34.600 any of the cofferences i'm at I have this year. I met Marian in 91 00:06:34.600 --> 00:06:38.480 a couple of weeks. I'll be talking with that one too, So I'll 92 00:06:38.480 --> 00:06:41.480 see you there, thank you. I'll be there. I'm talking on Saturday 93 00:06:41.519 --> 00:06:44.839 afternoon, I think at one o'clock. But anyway, people come up and 94 00:06:44.959 --> 00:06:46.959 I sell a lot of these, do they want to take it with them? 95 00:06:46.000 --> 00:06:50.600 I have actual pictures in here of the different types I've categorized them. 96 00:06:51.040 --> 00:06:55.800 I've got thousands of these images. I think the categories that I have, 97 00:06:55.839 --> 00:06:59.120 I think I have seven categories. I've got some ground clips too. But 98 00:06:59.800 --> 00:07:03.759 the astris, the xes, the arches, tps you mentioned, and then 99 00:07:03.800 --> 00:07:08.399 these breaks, these acute angle brakes sick pull into those categories. Again. 100 00:07:08.399 --> 00:07:11.199 I don't care if you're in Florida. I've seen them look the same in 101 00:07:11.240 --> 00:07:14.759 my Aca Park and I've seen them up in Harrison Lake and the British Columbia 102 00:07:14.800 --> 00:07:17.279 and they're the same kind of things. I have to actually have a reference 103 00:07:17.279 --> 00:07:21.920 of the radium springs in the backyard a Survivor man at episode two. They've 104 00:07:21.959 --> 00:07:25.560 got some really good todd and everythre out in the woods, and they've got 105 00:07:25.560 --> 00:07:28.160 some really good images of some of those things too. And I agree with 106 00:07:28.160 --> 00:07:30.399 you someone. You look at it and you go, there's no way that 107 00:07:30.920 --> 00:07:33.160 could have happened naturally. See what is it if it happens naturally, And 108 00:07:33.199 --> 00:07:36.040 I've got some of that in here. I think you should always debunk and 109 00:07:36.040 --> 00:07:40.279 always ask first. That's the first thing you do. And I've got more 110 00:07:40.360 --> 00:07:43.839 questions and answers on this probably too, but he said a tropism. But 111 00:07:43.920 --> 00:07:48.319 tropism is typically and again I'm not a botanist, horticulturist, or any of 112 00:07:48.360 --> 00:07:53.399 that, but it's when a plant grows towards a force, if you will. 113 00:07:53.439 --> 00:07:57.199 So the geotropism means it's growing towards gravity, are growing towards ground, 114 00:07:57.279 --> 00:08:01.560 hydrotrophism, it's growing towards water. Grow phototropism will grow towards the sun they 115 00:08:01.680 --> 00:08:07.360 leaned, and saplings, especially a younger piece of vegetation, we'll have a 116 00:08:07.399 --> 00:08:11.439 tendency of maneuvering or growing towards that. That's not what we're talking about. 117 00:08:11.720 --> 00:08:16.720 Snow load, wind break, microburst, all the things that affect vegetation in 118 00:08:16.759 --> 00:08:20.199 the woods. That's not what we're talking about. Up north. It's get 119 00:08:20.279 --> 00:08:22.480 a lot of snowload, bendens trees over and they stay in position, if 120 00:08:22.480 --> 00:08:26.800 you will. Microbursts, thunderstorms devastate a lot of things. I was with 121 00:08:26.800 --> 00:08:30.240 a grow up in Kentucky a while ago and they took me to a spot 122 00:08:30.399 --> 00:08:33.120 or wyn't you see this rick? And they said, now it's all natural. 123 00:08:33.200 --> 00:08:35.159 You can almost see the path that the wind took, the wind shear 124 00:08:35.240 --> 00:08:39.759 took in a thunderstorm that's not what we're talking about here. We're talking about 125 00:08:39.799 --> 00:08:43.399 things that get placed. And as you said, the roof walls up in 126 00:08:43.440 --> 00:08:45.440 the air sort of thing, and it got to be careful. I will 127 00:08:45.440 --> 00:08:48.159 throw those out there, especially white pines and pine trees or root system is 128 00:08:48.200 --> 00:08:52.120 nothing. It's just it's very shallow in the ground and they stop and bend 129 00:08:52.120 --> 00:08:58.480 over freakishly all the time. But we see hardwoods and things that are pulled 130 00:08:58.480 --> 00:09:01.440 out of the ground, the roof walls up in the air in the middle 131 00:09:01.480 --> 00:09:05.000 of one of these structures, and you got to start scratching your head of 132 00:09:05.120 --> 00:09:07.559 the different types that are out there. A lot of things too that people 133 00:09:07.559 --> 00:09:11.039 can look for where they can say maybe a big foot to distance. I 134 00:09:11.039 --> 00:09:15.759 always call it equivalency, But the members of the structure quite often are the 135 00:09:15.840 --> 00:09:22.679 same length, same birth, same size. Those side branches have been stripped 136 00:09:22.720 --> 00:09:26.440 off of it, and they will as you pointed out. But the roots 137 00:09:26.480 --> 00:09:28.279 is the high up in the air. And if you can't find where that 138 00:09:28.480 --> 00:09:33.120 came out of the ground anywhere close to this thing, then it was transported 139 00:09:33.240 --> 00:09:37.840 or brought in to formed. So you should always look for engineering symmetrical design, 140 00:09:39.360 --> 00:09:41.840 and I always look to see it more than one bigfoot was involved in 141 00:09:41.879 --> 00:09:43.360 it, because I do think when they put these things up, they put 142 00:09:43.440 --> 00:09:50.120 them together for whatever reason. An asterisk'll have three members minimum to it an 143 00:09:50.159 --> 00:09:54.360 excess to but an asterisk skill have three. And when they're put together so 144 00:09:54.440 --> 00:09:56.720 that they're e quite distant from the center of this thing. That's so it's 145 00:09:56.759 --> 00:10:01.679 been engineered together. It's hard for that to randomly fall that way. In 146 00:10:01.720 --> 00:10:05.879 the woods, they get three, four or five six pieces six trees, 147 00:10:05.080 --> 00:10:09.519 branches, mark stripped up, branches removed from the sides, root balls up 148 00:10:09.559 --> 00:10:15.679 in the air, forming an asterisk or a large X, and it stands 149 00:10:15.679 --> 00:10:18.159 out in the woods by itself, and it's away from anywhere that it could 150 00:10:18.159 --> 00:10:22.759 have grown out of the ground artificially placed. Then you got to start saying, 151 00:10:22.759 --> 00:10:26.080 I don't think the wind did that, and I don't think it happened 152 00:10:26.159 --> 00:10:30.840 naturally, and it's okay to ask those questions. A lot of these symbols, 153 00:10:30.840 --> 00:10:37.120 the asterisk, the x, the arches have some relationship in my mind 154 00:10:37.159 --> 00:10:41.720 to dative American symbols, because they look like a lot of those. If 155 00:10:41.720 --> 00:10:43.480 you look at some of the Native American symbols, the X, the asterisk, 156 00:10:43.519 --> 00:10:48.360 typically X will mean a male presence asterisk a lot of times means says 157 00:10:48.360 --> 00:10:52.159 there's something to do with the sun, or has something to do with better 158 00:10:52.240 --> 00:10:56.759 times or good beaning. Or thesecins could be when they put them in the 159 00:10:56.759 --> 00:11:03.039 woods. These things could be address markers. They could be symbols when they 160 00:11:03.039 --> 00:11:05.399 get together as a group and maybe have a meeting and they put them up. 161 00:11:05.759 --> 00:11:09.759 I've see these things go up in areas where I did research observation. 162 00:11:09.840 --> 00:11:15.000 I watched them go up and the spring say come down in the fall sometimes, 163 00:11:15.559 --> 00:11:18.639 so they don't put them up permanently always, So I think it takes. 164 00:11:18.720 --> 00:11:22.679 And I'll get to one other point here too. Both with the saplings 165 00:11:22.679 --> 00:11:26.399 that get bent over and everything stripped, the leaves and everything stripped off the 166 00:11:26.440 --> 00:11:28.840 size and it's been over like the Saint Louis arch, But they'll still take 167 00:11:28.879 --> 00:11:31.559 the other and it's stick it under a log, stick it under a rock, 168 00:11:31.679 --> 00:11:35.720 or stick it down on the ground a couple of feet. That's hard 169 00:11:35.879 --> 00:11:39.600 to believe that just happens naturally because the sapling and the skinny top of a 170 00:11:39.639 --> 00:11:41.320 tree is trying to grow towards the sun. It's trying to reach up there 171 00:11:41.480 --> 00:11:45.840 over the side or research what whatever it did. It's unnatural for you to 172 00:11:45.879 --> 00:11:48.320 get bent over and stuck in the ground two feet or have a rock pulled 173 00:11:48.320 --> 00:11:52.759 over. So when you see those kinds of things, you look at that 174 00:11:52.919 --> 00:11:58.639 structurally it's artificially done. That brings up a question the nests and things. 175 00:11:58.639 --> 00:12:01.639 You mentioned that before. I have had to be with the lift a few 176 00:12:01.679 --> 00:12:05.039 times. Rick. Nobody's ever seen Bigfoot build one of these things, And 177 00:12:05.080 --> 00:12:07.360 I'm like, yeah, you're right. I can't wait until that happens. 178 00:12:07.399 --> 00:12:09.679 I'd like to see it. There's that video of Mississippi, the one stripping 179 00:12:09.720 --> 00:12:13.080 all the bark off the tree from the back. You can see it there. 180 00:12:13.159 --> 00:12:16.440 I think it's getting something to eat out of there, larvae or maybe 181 00:12:16.519 --> 00:12:18.559 had a headache and it's eat the bark or something. I don't know. 182 00:12:18.840 --> 00:12:22.799 But nobody's seen one of these things getting built, that's true. But then 183 00:12:22.960 --> 00:12:24.960 clifts out in places where there's nests and climbing into them too. And I 184 00:12:24.960 --> 00:12:28.639 think a nest is the stick structures. In my mind, that's a stick 185 00:12:28.679 --> 00:12:31.399 structure. That's holidays somebody's nest. You said, I don't know why they 186 00:12:31.480 --> 00:12:33.679 do those. I'm going to throw this out there. And again I'm guessing 187 00:12:35.039 --> 00:12:37.919 no Bigfoot has told me why they do this, but I think they build 188 00:12:37.919 --> 00:12:41.120 those so they could sit in them and observe from and maybe not be seen 189 00:12:41.159 --> 00:12:46.240 as much. They had a place in Wisconsin where they above a horse trail. 190 00:12:46.320 --> 00:12:48.799 There was activity around there. They were bugging the horses and stuff. 191 00:12:48.840 --> 00:12:50.600 I got cold in the look and everything. But they were up up above 192 00:12:50.720 --> 00:12:54.440 the horse trail, and they had two of these things anchored up against some 193 00:12:54.559 --> 00:12:58.600 trees so they could sit in them and watch people below up ride by back 194 00:12:58.639 --> 00:13:01.799 and forth and not be seen. So we were able to get closer because 195 00:13:01.840 --> 00:13:05.679 they had built these sort of nests of things lean to as if you will, 196 00:13:05.120 --> 00:13:07.720 and they go, no, people are getting up there. We had 197 00:13:07.759 --> 00:13:11.080 a mountain goaded to get up there. But they will do this for a 198 00:13:11.080 --> 00:13:13.360 reason. Sometimes camouflage. Maybe it was helt in the hot, maybe the 199 00:13:13.440 --> 00:13:18.080 hot turkeys sitting on these things. I've seen them in the bottom of glacial 200 00:13:18.120 --> 00:13:20.480 formations and kettles or in area, so it's a little bit of a windbreak. 201 00:13:22.080 --> 00:13:24.759 Had an area in mountains North Mountains of South Carolina, a trail went. 202 00:13:24.840 --> 00:13:28.759 We had activity, but we watched these things all get built in one 203 00:13:28.799 --> 00:13:31.399 area over a period of time, and I would hoop after a hoop and 204 00:13:31.960 --> 00:13:33.320 weird stuff was going. We'd go in there at night. Everybody got the 205 00:13:33.360 --> 00:13:35.519 creeped out feeling. It was weird, and then all of a sudden, 206 00:13:35.519 --> 00:13:39.960 a year later, they're all gone. Now I'll bring that up too, 207 00:13:39.039 --> 00:13:43.879 because it's not natural. If these things are happening naturally in a group, 208 00:13:43.240 --> 00:13:46.480 and you typically see these things in a group in the woods, what is 209 00:13:46.519 --> 00:13:50.320 it that naturally takes them all down? A yearly? We said, okay, 210 00:13:50.360 --> 00:13:52.639 the wind did it was all wind and it was a storm. Kids 211 00:13:52.600 --> 00:13:54.840 would blow them all and we will show you the wind that took it all 212 00:13:54.879 --> 00:14:00.200 down. The following year, I would just reverse out it too. Help 213 00:14:00.240 --> 00:14:03.440 people observe. It's a fun way to go research. Bigfoots go out and 214 00:14:03.480 --> 00:14:05.720 they can see some of these things. But I always tell people try to 215 00:14:05.759 --> 00:14:09.320 debunk them first, but leave them alone, don't touch them, don't disturb. 216 00:14:09.879 --> 00:14:13.759 Bigfoot's built these things. Maybe it's for a purpose. I have had 217 00:14:13.840 --> 00:14:18.399 activity around these things daytime, nighttime. Do you find one of these things 218 00:14:18.399 --> 00:14:22.799 in the woods a good place to do some provocation? Do some knocks I've 219 00:14:22.799 --> 00:14:28.519 had I can't tell you how many times I've had response around these, So 220 00:14:28.480 --> 00:14:33.559 I usually I just assume that stick structures mean bigfoots around because of my experience. 221 00:14:33.600 --> 00:14:37.960 A lot of times it's a good place to interact. Yeah, one 222 00:14:37.000 --> 00:14:41.519 of the structures that was fairly close to base camp up in Radium, it 223 00:14:41.559 --> 00:14:46.480 was a couple of miles away, maybe three miles away. Todd and Ashley 224 00:14:46.519 --> 00:14:50.399 claimed that they had a daytime siding there when they were out doing some meditation 225 00:14:50.559 --> 00:14:56.039 around this particular very intricate tree structure. I've posted videos and photographs of those. 226 00:14:56.080 --> 00:15:00.039 You can find those in the book as well. But the structures have 227 00:15:00.159 --> 00:15:03.440 always been a mystery to me, and again it's something that makes me scratch 228 00:15:03.519 --> 00:15:07.960 my head and ask something's doing it right. It's not all natural. Some 229 00:15:09.000 --> 00:15:11.679 of the things that I saw in Radium, the pin or playground is what 230 00:15:11.759 --> 00:15:15.639 Todd caused this one area. It was one of the most amazing things I'd 231 00:15:15.679 --> 00:15:20.679 ever experienced. And just seeing again some of the things that I don't feel 232 00:15:20.720 --> 00:15:22.480 could happen naturally, and if they did, I don't know how it would 233 00:15:22.519 --> 00:15:26.320 happen. So it's a big question mark for me. Let's talk a little 234 00:15:26.320 --> 00:15:30.840 bit about habituation. You mentioned a couple of habituation sites that you deal with 235 00:15:30.879 --> 00:15:33.600 on a regular basis. That's something again, that's one of those coins that 236 00:15:33.639 --> 00:15:37.799 I've been in so many times with people that it frustrates me a little bit 237 00:15:37.879 --> 00:15:43.480 because I've had people reach out to me and say that they have habituation situations. 238 00:15:43.960 --> 00:15:46.360 One of the most famous, of course, is the fifty years with 239 00:15:46.399 --> 00:15:52.759 Bigfoot Janis Carter Mary Green situation. Mary Green's has passed away, obviously, 240 00:15:52.759 --> 00:15:56.360 but written a book co authored with Janie about her experiences growing up on a 241 00:15:56.399 --> 00:16:03.519 farm supposedly with sasquad ch In other situations I've had, and every single time 242 00:16:03.600 --> 00:16:07.840 it seems it doesn't seem. It's been a running thing for me every time 243 00:16:07.840 --> 00:16:11.759 I've dealt with people who claim they've had habituation situations, and I ask them 244 00:16:11.799 --> 00:16:18.639 for evidence, any kind of evidence that would corroborate what they're saying. Okay, 245 00:16:18.840 --> 00:16:22.799 if you have this going on for ten years on your property and you're 246 00:16:22.919 --> 00:16:29.320 claiming that sasquatch is basically bringing toddlers and letting you watch them in your backyard, 247 00:16:29.879 --> 00:16:32.080 there's got to be some evidence. Oh yes, of course, I 248 00:16:32.120 --> 00:16:36.440 have tons of pictures and videos. Send them to me. Great, thank 249 00:16:36.519 --> 00:16:41.399 you. It's twenty five pictures of trees and leaves blob squatches in paradolia. 250 00:16:41.879 --> 00:16:48.360 I'm hoping that you have better experiences with your habituation situations than I have as 251 00:16:48.399 --> 00:16:52.000 a researcher and investigator, because it frustrates me to no end because when you 252 00:16:52.039 --> 00:16:56.759 hear that word, it is an ongoing thing, it's something they experience on 253 00:16:56.799 --> 00:17:03.320 a regular basis. Yet it seems there's less proof in my experience with people 254 00:17:03.320 --> 00:17:07.160 who have habituation situations then just the person who just happens to maybe catch something 255 00:17:07.200 --> 00:17:12.039 on video or catch something on an audio recorder or those kind of things almost 256 00:17:12.119 --> 00:17:18.640 haphazardly. So talk a little bit about your experience with investigating habituation sites and 257 00:17:18.880 --> 00:17:22.880 where are you on that. Do you think these people are really having experience 258 00:17:22.920 --> 00:17:26.200 and are they able to capture evidence of what they're experiencing. Yes, but 259 00:17:26.319 --> 00:17:30.400 I have three right now. I also have another that's in another state, 260 00:17:30.480 --> 00:17:33.400 a nice state of touch with her around and she's got activity at her property. 261 00:17:33.720 --> 00:17:37.160 But curiously, this woman, to every place she's lived, she's had 262 00:17:37.200 --> 00:17:41.599 activity. She got to the point where she went and got cat skins and 263 00:17:41.640 --> 00:17:45.200 everything because she thought maybe she was crazy. She's not, so they follow 264 00:17:45.200 --> 00:17:49.079 her. You actually protect her a little bit. That's another story. I 265 00:17:49.200 --> 00:17:55.039 have one gentleman's got a property in central Tennessee. He's got them on what's 266 00:17:55.119 --> 00:17:59.960 property moved in ten years ago. Things started happening and he's been I can't 267 00:18:00.039 --> 00:18:03.599 give it away because it's a confidentiality kind of thing, but it's documented of 268 00:18:03.599 --> 00:18:07.160 it. It's literally every day since I've been in a property multiple times. 269 00:18:07.720 --> 00:18:11.119 I've got thermal images of these things right in front of me, a big 270 00:18:11.160 --> 00:18:12.559 mister Magoo face sticking out of the woods looking at me, and one of 271 00:18:12.599 --> 00:18:17.359 them. He see the things. We've got every kind of audio, the 272 00:18:17.440 --> 00:18:22.400 gift interaction almost on a daily basis, handprints on the house and his satellite, 273 00:18:22.000 --> 00:18:26.680 dermal ridges, everything he's got, every kind of recording, every kind 274 00:18:26.759 --> 00:18:30.240 of strange is weirdes you want to mention this guy's got But I don't know. 275 00:18:30.319 --> 00:18:33.119 There's so much evidence I don't know what to do with. He's seen 276 00:18:33.160 --> 00:18:37.720 them, he said, the children from the neighborhood now back was property down 277 00:18:37.759 --> 00:18:40.440 the woods seeing them. I've been there with Like I said, We've got 278 00:18:40.480 --> 00:18:45.519 thermal pictures of them. He's got the uptrail cams, and we don't again, 279 00:18:45.559 --> 00:18:48.160 we don't try to trick the darn things. He's got a good coexistence 280 00:18:48.200 --> 00:18:51.240 with him. But he's got them going by in front of the trail cam, 281 00:18:51.359 --> 00:18:55.400 the one where they could go by and get the mullet book they give 282 00:18:55.480 --> 00:18:57.839 them that. I can tell you everything they like to eat, I like, 283 00:18:57.960 --> 00:19:02.400 and the things I like to pick up. They're very tactile, so 284 00:19:03.000 --> 00:19:06.160 rubbert racers and things, rubber ducks, they'll love that stuff. They picked 285 00:19:06.200 --> 00:19:08.039 that up. Ticket, they'll take things away, they bring things back. 286 00:19:08.680 --> 00:19:14.319 We've got every kind of mimicry and voice recording imaginable just to actually have this 287 00:19:14.359 --> 00:19:17.240 guy presented an expedition. I had just playing a lot of this stuff for 288 00:19:17.319 --> 00:19:19.400 people recently. A lot of audio, a lot of visual, a lot 289 00:19:19.440 --> 00:19:25.119 of interactive still interactive pictures every day of what they We take pictures of stuff 290 00:19:25.119 --> 00:19:27.480 that he puts out on a got like a shooting range in the woods behind 291 00:19:27.519 --> 00:19:32.319 him. And he'll put stuff out on the range and take pictures of and 292 00:19:32.359 --> 00:19:33.880 the next day it's moved, and how they move it, and there, 293 00:19:34.279 --> 00:19:37.680 for some reason in their mind, these things have got an organizational mindset of 294 00:19:37.759 --> 00:19:41.400 it's almost autistic. They see order and things. We don't. But they 295 00:19:41.400 --> 00:19:44.559 always put things in orders of three and one, and so you probably have 296 00:19:44.599 --> 00:19:47.559 heard that kind of thing before. But there's something going on with them. 297 00:19:47.680 --> 00:19:51.519 Three and one put four things together. He put three here, one there, 298 00:19:51.599 --> 00:19:52.880 take one away. I don't know what's going on with them to do 299 00:19:52.880 --> 00:19:56.559 it over and over, but I've got all kinds of this. Guy's got 300 00:19:56.559 --> 00:19:57.519 so much evidence. I don't know what to do it. But we don't 301 00:19:57.519 --> 00:20:02.880 want to turn his property into Disney World squatches is, so we try to 302 00:20:02.920 --> 00:20:04.920 keep a confidential I think that's some of what's going on here too, right, 303 00:20:04.920 --> 00:20:07.000 And I think people get at some point they don't want to just give 304 00:20:07.000 --> 00:20:11.240 it away. And it is a little bit in the end addictive that you've 305 00:20:11.240 --> 00:20:15.799 got this interaction with these things that you coexist with. You've got a good 306 00:20:15.839 --> 00:20:19.200 relationship with them, and you don't want a bad And I've seen this turn 307 00:20:19.240 --> 00:20:22.200 from bad to good also too. At some point you have to go out 308 00:20:22.200 --> 00:20:23.920 out and talk to them, yell at them in the woods to say, 309 00:20:23.960 --> 00:20:27.680 don't pound an house anymore. But why did they do this? And why 310 00:20:27.759 --> 00:20:32.440 they I've got another one just popped ups not far from me in western North 311 00:20:32.440 --> 00:20:34.759 Carolina, and they've got a pumphouse on the property and the darn things are 312 00:20:34.759 --> 00:20:37.319 going in the pump house drinking the water. I think they're bringing the juveniles. 313 00:20:37.319 --> 00:20:40.799 And it's going on all the time. The woman at the property is 314 00:20:40.839 --> 00:20:44.319 seeing them. She saw driving down in the holler and her driveway. The 315 00:20:44.359 --> 00:20:45.440 other they see in the woods. She sees an arm reach out of the 316 00:20:45.440 --> 00:20:49.920 woods up at about six seven feet near the black arm, and a toss 317 00:20:51.119 --> 00:20:53.839 what looks like a young chimpanzee up nine feet in the air onto a tree 318 00:20:53.839 --> 00:20:56.279 and it grabs a tree, swings around, it goes into the woods. 319 00:20:56.440 --> 00:21:00.200 She saw this just recently. I went out of the as an investigation. 320 00:21:00.680 --> 00:21:03.680 She got a pump house in the woods about that for a spring. They're 321 00:21:03.720 --> 00:21:07.599 in the pump house all the time. Her son has tried to do things 322 00:21:07.640 --> 00:21:08.799 in the pomp house to try to cover her up. People go out, 323 00:21:08.799 --> 00:21:12.400 they think it down and they go in there. They're drinking the water pumping 324 00:21:12.440 --> 00:21:17.480 as well because it's available. I had another site they're drinking the rain water. 325 00:21:17.519 --> 00:21:18.799 They have buckets to gathering rain water, never going up to the house 326 00:21:18.799 --> 00:21:22.839 and drinking the rainwater. I've got recording after recording where you can hear them 327 00:21:22.960 --> 00:21:25.920 banging on the drums even though the drum is empty. Like worre's the water. 328 00:21:26.599 --> 00:21:30.359 There's a reason why they come around. Typically that leads to this, 329 00:21:30.480 --> 00:21:33.480 but if it's there, water is a big one. I'm a big believer 330 00:21:33.599 --> 00:21:37.880 in water. The one I mentioned this one and he's got a one acre 331 00:21:37.960 --> 00:21:41.519 lake in the woods behind his house in a ravine, and he's got four 332 00:21:41.559 --> 00:21:44.359 acres back there and eleven acres and a buts two in a green way. 333 00:21:44.400 --> 00:21:47.200 They can get it on out. They're going to the lake at night, 334 00:21:47.240 --> 00:21:51.519 they get something to drink and whatever they need to and then his place is 335 00:21:51.559 --> 00:21:53.680 a good place to go look around. It's not unique either. They visit 336 00:21:53.799 --> 00:21:57.240 other locations of their houses. So you got a witness comes forward and it 337 00:21:57.279 --> 00:22:02.160 says I got a situation. As an investigator, I go out and investigating 338 00:22:02.160 --> 00:22:04.000 and then it's on going and you realize, Okay, they're not going anywhere. 339 00:22:04.200 --> 00:22:07.279 They're probably there before the house got built, they probably would traverse that 340 00:22:07.359 --> 00:22:11.599 area accessing the water regularly. But water is a big part of I've got 341 00:22:11.599 --> 00:22:17.000 another one in the North Carolina. This is near Lake James Marion up in 342 00:22:17.039 --> 00:22:21.039 that area, and this families got them under properties, got five acres mountain 343 00:22:21.079 --> 00:22:23.200 behind them, railroad tracks behind them. There's a culvert goes under the railroad 344 00:22:23.240 --> 00:22:26.640 tracks. They come through the culvert big, but they come through it, 345 00:22:27.160 --> 00:22:30.799 and they're in the herb garden. They're peeking in the windows. A daughter 346 00:22:30.920 --> 00:22:34.240 so and peeking in the window. I've been on the property and i'd see 347 00:22:34.240 --> 00:22:37.920 them come through. You can see them standing in the dark. You can 348 00:22:37.960 --> 00:22:41.160 see the eyes up aill seven eight feet standing where they came through the culvert. 349 00:22:41.480 --> 00:22:45.160 See a head shape over there, just looking at you. We got 350 00:22:45.200 --> 00:22:48.480 recording after recording of them knocking. He sits on his patio in the back, 351 00:22:48.519 --> 00:22:52.200 looks up in the woods at night with a spotting scope and you can 352 00:22:52.240 --> 00:22:56.799 see the eye shine up there and you'll yell, hey, bubbs you up 353 00:22:56.839 --> 00:22:59.880 there, and they look at them just around. You can see the eyes 354 00:23:00.000 --> 00:23:03.240 and the head moves. I decide he's got all kinds of recording. Again. 355 00:23:03.799 --> 00:23:07.839 I've been in a property, heard of samurai chatter. Heard him talking 356 00:23:07.880 --> 00:23:11.039 back and forth at a gifting station on a big rock on the other side 357 00:23:11.079 --> 00:23:12.960 of railroad tracks in the woods. He put things out, they leave things, 358 00:23:14.000 --> 00:23:17.000 take things. They put a big X up over it at one point, 359 00:23:17.119 --> 00:23:19.359 then I took it down. So it's interactive. These things are not 360 00:23:19.480 --> 00:23:23.279 it's not a one time thing. When you have a habituation, say it's 361 00:23:23.359 --> 00:23:29.079 interact in each case. It's not like that people went out to create the 362 00:23:29.160 --> 00:23:32.599 situation. I'm going to invite bigfoot to my property, and there it is. 363 00:23:32.680 --> 00:23:37.960 See No, it's just strange things happen, and then they repeat and 364 00:23:37.079 --> 00:23:41.720 at some point they decide to report, maybe winds up in the BFRO and 365 00:23:42.279 --> 00:23:45.440 we get it. All of a sudden shows up and we go out and 366 00:23:45.559 --> 00:23:49.519 I always try to see if it's just a big foot that's traversing the property 367 00:23:49.599 --> 00:23:56.200 or walking by. If it's resident, they stay on. If there's sustenance 368 00:23:56.240 --> 00:24:00.000 there that's accessible, they're going to come around. But I don't think it's 369 00:24:00.119 --> 00:24:03.440 unique when you see a habituation like they're only on that location. I think 370 00:24:03.440 --> 00:24:06.759 they're visiting houses all up and down the block because it's button up against the 371 00:24:06.799 --> 00:24:11.039 greenway and it's easy to do. Why would you. We're predictable, as 372 00:24:11.079 --> 00:24:17.119 I said earlier, the greater at observation, and we're predictable. But if 373 00:24:17.359 --> 00:24:19.599 all of a sudden we have a cookout and leave a bunch of stuff in 374 00:24:19.640 --> 00:24:22.359 the yard. They're going to come access You hear what you're saying, But 375 00:24:22.359 --> 00:24:25.640 you got to remember too, these people or not, they didn't wake up 376 00:24:25.680 --> 00:24:30.160 as born scientists and know the scientific method, how to collect and observe all 377 00:24:30.200 --> 00:24:33.559 this. I was listening to your recent talk with Renee. I'd memory day 378 00:24:33.559 --> 00:24:37.400 I talked with her, etcetera. And she's truly a scientist. She'd made 379 00:24:37.400 --> 00:24:40.920 a point out the nine seasons. But I don't think there's evidence kind of 380 00:24:40.920 --> 00:24:41.880 thing. Okay, fine, she's a skeptic, that's the role in the 381 00:24:41.880 --> 00:24:45.160 show. Get all that. But if a big bull walked down on a 382 00:24:45.200 --> 00:24:49.000 trail and shook hands with her, she would say, I didn't put the 383 00:24:49.079 --> 00:24:53.119 labels on the fial and follow the scientific protocol before it did that, So 384 00:24:53.160 --> 00:24:56.599 therefore it's not doubt. I look at it and say it's evidence before walk 385 00:24:56.640 --> 00:25:00.759 down shook her head. And if it wasn't a bear and it wasn't a 386 00:25:00.799 --> 00:25:03.400 person, if you don't want to call it bick, we call whatever you 387 00:25:03.440 --> 00:25:06.640 want to. But it's still happened. Okay, it's still not infoul. 388 00:25:07.759 --> 00:25:11.480 And stay tuned for more Sasquatch out to see will be right back after these 389 00:25:11.559 --> 00:25:18.319 messages. And I think with habituations, as you get a lot of this 390 00:25:18.319 --> 00:25:22.319 stuff going on where there's constant interaction, I don't think people know what to 391 00:25:22.359 --> 00:25:26.279 do with it properly. System of trail cams like Scott Carpenter put up. 392 00:25:26.000 --> 00:25:30.079 He had a great system of h and he got some great visuals. I've 393 00:25:30.079 --> 00:25:33.559 seen him, God rest in peace. I've sat down and looked at some 394 00:25:33.559 --> 00:25:34.839 of the things he did. How about that white one he got pop up 395 00:25:34.839 --> 00:25:37.680 by out of the bushes and looking at him, come on away, great, 396 00:25:38.359 --> 00:25:42.400 that's great evidence. The head on that thing is massive, looks like 397 00:25:42.400 --> 00:25:47.319 the Rudolph the red nose reindeer thing with the giant with it. It's huge. 398 00:25:47.359 --> 00:25:49.119 That's great evidence. You cannot look at that and say that's a natural 399 00:25:49.200 --> 00:25:52.599 occurring animal that we know in the wood. It's great evidence. But he's 400 00:25:52.599 --> 00:25:56.920 smart enough to do that. People in other habituation sites that have this activity. 401 00:25:57.279 --> 00:26:00.400 First of all, I go through a year two of being free out. 402 00:26:00.559 --> 00:26:02.680 Second of all, they try to repel it and keep it away. 403 00:26:03.279 --> 00:26:04.799 I always try to coach them, don't do stupid stuff. Don't be putting 404 00:26:04.880 --> 00:26:08.759 this is a HOOPA project. Don't be putting pancakes and syrup out there, 405 00:26:08.880 --> 00:26:14.519 or white sugar vanilla cake for these things. Last thing you want is a 406 00:26:14.559 --> 00:26:18.480 creature that science denies, not a sugar high in your backyard, you know. 407 00:26:19.160 --> 00:26:22.680 So I always tell them the colmdown, I'll create a dependency. And 408 00:26:22.759 --> 00:26:26.839 number two, I try to tell them to you know, collect evidence, 409 00:26:26.880 --> 00:26:30.039 to keep a journal and write things down. And I look for behavior that 410 00:26:30.680 --> 00:26:33.400 I know of her that they do, and these things out they do repeat 411 00:26:33.440 --> 00:26:36.799 behaviorally. They do a lot of the same things. You know. They're 412 00:26:36.839 --> 00:26:38.759 curious, and they'll send the kids around and they'll poke on things, they'll 413 00:26:38.799 --> 00:26:44.200 pull plants out of the ground, and they'll harvest things. Just one guys 414 00:26:44.559 --> 00:26:47.960 who's got on his property that I mentioned earlier in Tennessee an apple tree on 415 00:26:48.039 --> 00:26:49.480 the back of his property. And I always tell people, try to get 416 00:26:49.480 --> 00:26:55.319 a coexistence with these things. Till them your sides the woods besides my gon 417 00:26:55.359 --> 00:27:00.119 apple strain in the back of the property. And I think he's established or 418 00:27:00.119 --> 00:27:03.319 as the saide mind co existence. So when the apples come harvest time, 419 00:27:03.359 --> 00:27:06.400 they come and take all the apples off the woods side. So the side 420 00:27:06.400 --> 00:27:08.079 that's right up and gets the woods that take the apples off that side like 421 00:27:08.160 --> 00:27:11.160 it's theirs. The other side, where the apples are facing the house, 422 00:27:11.200 --> 00:27:15.119 they don't talk. Those are your apples and these apples are mine on this 423 00:27:15.240 --> 00:27:19.240 set. That's ultimately where you want to get with these things. You don't 424 00:27:19.279 --> 00:27:25.440 want them on your roof, banging on the house, creating problems, and 425 00:27:25.519 --> 00:27:27.599 you don't want to antagonize. You don't want to get in the situation you're 426 00:27:27.640 --> 00:27:33.279 firing shotgun blast into the woods. I do a situation up in Ohio years 427 00:27:33.279 --> 00:27:37.720 ago, and they were driving ambulances out there, trying to turn the volume 428 00:27:37.759 --> 00:27:40.279 of the siren up to scare them away. And know you can't do that. 429 00:27:41.079 --> 00:27:42.559 Just accept it for what it is. It's a creature, creatures that 430 00:27:42.640 --> 00:27:47.119 live in the woods, and so be it. Don't get into the I 431 00:27:47.200 --> 00:27:49.440 can't be There's no way these things exast because there's no such thing. It 432 00:27:49.559 --> 00:27:55.039 is what it is. They are in the woods and are around your property 433 00:27:55.039 --> 00:27:57.960 and yours. Smart enough to not just dismiss it and say it's a bear 434 00:28:00.079 --> 00:28:02.759 to live with it. It's okay. I think I have a little bit 435 00:28:02.759 --> 00:28:07.000 of communication dialogue with them, record what they do. Some of the things 436 00:28:07.000 --> 00:28:11.680 He's recorded, these things I think they have the ability to mimic. One 437 00:28:11.680 --> 00:28:17.000 of the things he's recorded a lot of is a mechanical noise, circular saws, 438 00:28:17.000 --> 00:28:19.319 staple guns. Can't tell you how many times he shares something. We 439 00:28:19.400 --> 00:28:25.000 got another staple gun. They could put boom mic recorders in his bathroom. 440 00:28:25.039 --> 00:28:27.319 Renipiens the screen window. They'll come right up to it and they'll eat an 441 00:28:27.319 --> 00:28:30.200 apple and they hear him standing there at three am chewing on an apple. 442 00:28:30.279 --> 00:28:33.359 Or they'll come right up to a new staple gun noises. However they do 443 00:28:33.440 --> 00:28:37.599 that, I don't know, but they must be hearing workers put roofing shingles 444 00:28:37.599 --> 00:28:41.440 on it, houses and construction somewhere, and they like the noise and they 445 00:28:41.599 --> 00:28:42.799 do it. They do it all the time. And any of us in 446 00:28:42.920 --> 00:28:48.400 about researching and heard these mechanical noises and what's car alarms in the middle of 447 00:28:48.480 --> 00:28:52.559 it was no car anywhere in site, car doors closing, buzzsaws, I 448 00:28:52.559 --> 00:28:56.000 don't know what. The rock hitting a stop signed. We've heard this in 449 00:28:56.079 --> 00:28:59.039 the woods. There's no cars, no vehicles anyone. They have the ability 450 00:28:59.079 --> 00:29:02.119 to do this and around it situation site's when to get more comfortable they start 451 00:29:02.160 --> 00:29:04.400 to do so. I don't know why that is. You can record it, 452 00:29:04.680 --> 00:29:08.240 that's evidence, got lots of it. By why are they doing it? 453 00:29:08.240 --> 00:29:12.400 I don't think other animals can do that last night bears and coyotes don't 454 00:29:12.440 --> 00:29:17.559 make mechanical noise, but they do this sort of thing around and I think 455 00:29:17.559 --> 00:29:19.319 that's all good evidence. It is what it is. Now does that constitute 456 00:29:19.359 --> 00:29:22.960 proof? I don't know. Everything comes down to proof in the end. 457 00:29:22.960 --> 00:29:26.440 But not to be cliche, but absence proof is not proof of absence. 458 00:29:26.680 --> 00:29:30.039 And when you have ongoing activity and a habituation site and they're around it, 459 00:29:30.240 --> 00:29:33.920 the best thing you want to get is a coexistence. That's what you want 460 00:29:33.960 --> 00:29:37.119 to get to in this. But I got a couple of these now, 461 00:29:37.160 --> 00:29:40.640 and I got a construction site forty five minutes northeast of Ashville right now, 462 00:29:40.680 --> 00:29:44.160 and I got one of the best footprint pictures off of that just recently. 463 00:29:44.200 --> 00:29:48.519 For they're on this site and again it's well over four hundred acres and they're 464 00:29:48.880 --> 00:29:51.680 in there clearing land and guess what, the big foots are walking across the 465 00:29:51.680 --> 00:29:56.079 construction site. And I got one of the best footprint casts evidence I've ever 466 00:29:56.119 --> 00:30:00.200 seen. Both of this is going to be about sixteen inches long digital are 467 00:30:00.240 --> 00:30:03.880 long. I showed it to Cliff and Crossfell a little while ago, and 468 00:30:03.920 --> 00:30:06.000 I re looked at it. So I want one for mind. You see 469 00:30:06.039 --> 00:30:08.079 it, So I have to get them. But you get good evidence in 470 00:30:08.119 --> 00:30:11.119 the end, is what I'm saying. Whether it's footprints or audio or people 471 00:30:11.160 --> 00:30:15.240 see one of these things visually, the eyes get the hierarchy in evidence, 472 00:30:15.319 --> 00:30:19.160 right, see it when we can turn our eyes into a camera and get 473 00:30:19.160 --> 00:30:22.920 a visual, it'spit the image out of our mouths or something that this has 474 00:30:22.960 --> 00:30:26.680 all come around and we can't. That's just the camera is never always one 475 00:30:26.720 --> 00:30:30.200 hundred percent of the ready. And I see GoPros go dead with the brown 476 00:30:30.200 --> 00:30:32.559 these things too. So I don't know what the answer is to all of 477 00:30:32.559 --> 00:30:34.920 that. Yeah, I'm right there with you. Man. It's very interesting 478 00:30:34.960 --> 00:30:38.839 that you mentioned the mimicry, because again, I used to talk to people 479 00:30:38.880 --> 00:30:42.359 all the time and my answer was always this, how do you know it's 480 00:30:42.480 --> 00:30:47.000 mimicry? And it's not just what it sounds like? Right? People say, 481 00:30:47.000 --> 00:30:49.200 oh, they mimic owls? Could it possibly just be an owl that 482 00:30:49.240 --> 00:30:52.079 you're hearing? But I know what you mean with the metallic stuff. I've 483 00:30:52.079 --> 00:30:56.480 had that conversation with Ron Mooreheit a couple of times about hearing some of the 484 00:30:56.559 --> 00:31:00.960 weird card noises and cow bail and some of the weird things that they heard 485 00:31:02.000 --> 00:31:04.240 up at the Sierra Camp. They're eight miles deep in the woods. None 486 00:31:04.279 --> 00:31:07.079 of those things that happened. Nobody's closing a door out there. They had 487 00:31:07.079 --> 00:31:11.359 to ride horses into this area. It's interesting that you say that I've never 488 00:31:11.400 --> 00:31:15.599 heard anybody say anything about car alarms, but I had a weird experience just 489 00:31:15.960 --> 00:31:21.400 three days ago camping on our property here, and it's so weird. It's 490 00:31:21.480 --> 00:31:23.279 this little synchronicity. As you were talking about that, I was like, 491 00:31:23.920 --> 00:31:30.400 car alarms. We've owned this property since the end of twenty seventeen, and 492 00:31:30.559 --> 00:31:34.599 I have never heard a car alarm in this area because our nearest neighbor is 493 00:31:34.640 --> 00:31:40.079 about a mile away. Saturday night, no Sunday night, we camped out 494 00:31:40.160 --> 00:31:42.240 up at what we're calling base camp up here in a new area on the 495 00:31:42.240 --> 00:31:47.240 property that we cleared out just to make a little camping spot, sitting there 496 00:31:47.480 --> 00:31:51.960 talking around the fire, and it was the funniest thing. Now in retrospect, 497 00:31:52.039 --> 00:31:53.279 after hearing what you just said, it may not be so funny. 498 00:31:53.680 --> 00:31:57.000 But we're sitting there and Danny just says to me, just out of the 499 00:31:57.039 --> 00:32:00.559 blues, kind of what would you do right now if the house alarm started 500 00:32:00.559 --> 00:32:05.640 going off because we set the house alarm, didn't lock the door. We 501 00:32:05.680 --> 00:32:08.279 don't lock our doors here. I shouldn't probably be saying this, but we 502 00:32:08.680 --> 00:32:13.119 do now. We lock our doors now. But I have a Toyota Tacoma 503 00:32:13.160 --> 00:32:16.480 and I have a Mini Cooper sitting in our driveway. Both sets of keys 504 00:32:16.519 --> 00:32:20.519 were in the house that was unlocked. We just turned the house alarm on 505 00:32:20.759 --> 00:32:23.839 in case something were to happen. We have had some people that have gotten 506 00:32:24.519 --> 00:32:29.039 at certain points on the property in the past, and we could hear it 507 00:32:29.079 --> 00:32:31.240 from where we were. We were probably eight hundred yards into the wood, 508 00:32:31.319 --> 00:32:35.519 so we could get where we needed to go fairly quickly, literally. And 509 00:32:35.680 --> 00:32:39.039 I listened to the audio today because I had recorders going. You hear them 510 00:32:39.039 --> 00:32:44.920 say that on the audio. About thirty seconds later, you hear it sounds 511 00:32:44.920 --> 00:32:47.160 like the truck alarm is going off, and you hear us both go, 512 00:32:47.400 --> 00:32:51.200 okay, grab the dogs, I'm gonna and I take off running down to 513 00:32:51.279 --> 00:32:55.839 the house. Run down the heel, get down everything's intact. Truck's not 514 00:32:55.920 --> 00:33:00.839 messed with, it's locked just like it was. The keys are in place 515 00:33:00.880 --> 00:33:05.200 in the house, house alarm still on, house was not bothered. I 516 00:33:05.240 --> 00:33:08.720 don't know how to explain that. Was it a car alarm farther away that 517 00:33:08.839 --> 00:33:15.160 maybe was bouncing around the ridge and we heard it, But it literally sounded 518 00:33:15.200 --> 00:33:17.920 like it was in our driveway, farther down from where we were in the 519 00:33:17.960 --> 00:33:22.039 woods. What would you do for our house alarms started going off right now? 520 00:33:23.440 --> 00:33:30.599 I would take off a run towards house and get ready to beat somebody 521 00:33:30.640 --> 00:34:01.319 to death. Oh it's a truck on, isn't it? Yeah? It 522 00:34:01.440 --> 00:34:08.719 is? What would it? I don't think it is that. We definitely 523 00:34:08.719 --> 00:34:13.280 need to go check. Should we do about the dog? Uh? Let 524 00:34:13.400 --> 00:34:15.440 them come with us. I got to remote him the pocket? All right, 525 00:34:17.280 --> 00:34:39.800 I'm really fletched. Tenth fletsould be fine. Just a really weird experience, 526 00:34:39.840 --> 00:34:44.639 just the whole thing, just the randomly mentioning what would you do if 527 00:34:44.639 --> 00:34:47.880 the house alarm went off and then thirty seconds later, boom, what sounds 528 00:34:47.920 --> 00:34:52.480 like a truck alarm going off and it stopped less than I'd have to listen 529 00:34:52.519 --> 00:34:57.519 to the ideo. It probably went off maybe five seconds, six seconds, 530 00:34:57.599 --> 00:35:01.199 and then it stopped and we never heard it again. Would indicate that if 531 00:35:01.519 --> 00:35:05.400 you set it off with the keyfob, you'd have to turn it on and 532 00:35:05.440 --> 00:35:07.480 then turn it off. But again, it was only five or six seconds. 533 00:35:07.480 --> 00:35:12.599 But I still made the run, everybody, the dogs, we went. 534 00:35:12.760 --> 00:35:16.079 Everybody was back down checking the area and nothing, Nothing was touched. 535 00:35:16.119 --> 00:35:20.159 And I don't know where it could have came from, but I do have 536 00:35:20.199 --> 00:35:22.519 the evidence of that. It is on the idiot recorder. I don't know 537 00:35:22.519 --> 00:35:25.199 what to make of it. I'm not saying, certainly by any stretch of 538 00:35:25.199 --> 00:35:29.079 the imagination. Now, I'm not saying that bigfoot made this noise. But 539 00:35:29.599 --> 00:35:32.440 it's interesting that you mentioned that, and I just had that experience like what 540 00:35:32.559 --> 00:35:37.760 four days ago. I don't know, man, it's interesting stuff. What's 541 00:35:37.800 --> 00:35:42.800 interesting to me is you talked about it, and it happened if the alarm 542 00:35:42.800 --> 00:35:47.880 were off, and then something happens synchronoicity, coincidence. So I have this 543 00:35:47.920 --> 00:35:52.360 discussion with a number of investigators out there and it happens. Not to get 544 00:35:52.400 --> 00:35:55.039 woo and all that kind of thing. I'm not in another dimension, but 545 00:35:55.119 --> 00:36:00.519 how does this stuff happen that you bring something up and it happens, whether 546 00:36:00.559 --> 00:36:05.400 they're generating the happening or not. Some of this I think when you're oblivious 547 00:36:05.440 --> 00:36:07.400 to all this stuff, like they're out there, maybe it doesn't happen. 548 00:36:07.440 --> 00:36:13.039 When you know that they're there and they know that they're there, it seems 549 00:36:13.079 --> 00:36:16.440 like more of this stuff. I don't know why that is. I'm here 550 00:36:16.480 --> 00:36:21.320 to profess prussing over in the veils, thin and all that kind of stuff. 551 00:36:21.320 --> 00:36:23.280 I don't. It just seems like when we open the door of this 552 00:36:23.440 --> 00:36:29.719 by acknowledging that they're there talking to them, that sort of thing more weird 553 00:36:29.760 --> 00:36:34.239 stuff, whether it's a noise or the sighting or something. And the power 554 00:36:34.280 --> 00:36:37.320 suggests you bring up something that happens that happens on the expeditions A lot. 555 00:36:37.400 --> 00:36:42.360 We can't figure it out. Somebody said something and that happens. I don't 556 00:36:42.400 --> 00:36:45.800 know what that is. You know how that happened. I think they're playing 557 00:36:45.800 --> 00:36:49.880 a game with you when they do the alarm whatever you funck the alarm went 558 00:36:49.920 --> 00:36:51.880 off and you go do it now. I don't know how did they understand 559 00:36:51.920 --> 00:36:54.480 it? Jannis Carter or talk to her about they understand English, they can 560 00:36:54.559 --> 00:36:59.400 understand I don't know. I don't know if they do or they don't. 561 00:36:59.480 --> 00:37:01.320 She says, I've been done a lot of big putting in that area. 562 00:37:01.400 --> 00:37:05.280 She's in the county she's in then a ton of it. And I've been 563 00:37:05.320 --> 00:37:08.320 to Talking Rock where Mary Green would go. I've been in that area. 564 00:37:08.320 --> 00:37:12.039 I've had I could talk, we could do a show just in that area. 565 00:37:12.639 --> 00:37:15.800 It's the amount of stuff, because there's a lot of them in that 566 00:37:15.880 --> 00:37:17.480 area. That was the group and that one night, which we should say 567 00:37:17.480 --> 00:37:22.159 for another time where the smallest one that I saw three and the smallest is 568 00:37:22.159 --> 00:37:24.159 over ten tall. I don't know, but they, she will say, 569 00:37:24.199 --> 00:37:29.559 they understand. They study and understand English language, knows and know what we're 570 00:37:29.639 --> 00:37:32.559 saying. And that book is full of language too. Right. If you 571 00:37:32.599 --> 00:37:37.800 look at that lang Lakota sou jerokee, derivative language, it's in their knock 572 00:37:37.840 --> 00:37:39.400 an a wk meets friend. We use that a lot when we're out the 573 00:37:39.400 --> 00:37:43.559 woods. I'll use that word all the time. I'm not afraid to say 574 00:37:43.559 --> 00:37:45.559 some of the words they use. Their owl is mopay. They say that. 575 00:37:45.639 --> 00:37:49.920 I use that word a lot when I think they're round. If I 576 00:37:49.960 --> 00:37:53.280 hear something sounds like a six hundred pound owl. I'll we'll pay, is 577 00:37:53.320 --> 00:37:58.159 that will pay? Say tanga mopay, And just to let them know, 578 00:37:58.840 --> 00:38:00.960 all right, I know you're mimicking. And if it's really an owl, 579 00:38:00.000 --> 00:38:02.360 I get nothing back. A couple of times I've done, I got to 580 00:38:02.480 --> 00:38:07.440 knock back, then knock like a how it's again. I think at some 581 00:38:07.519 --> 00:38:09.599 point, when they know not afraid to talk with them, things change. 582 00:38:09.880 --> 00:38:14.280 They may understanding English, I don't understand what they're saying. I've heard samurai 583 00:38:14.360 --> 00:38:16.960 chatter a few times. I talk a round about that Scott and what he's 584 00:38:17.000 --> 00:38:20.920 done with it, Scott else, what he's doing with is breakdown phonetically. 585 00:38:21.079 --> 00:38:23.320 That language is fascinating as can be. He seems to he can tell that 586 00:38:23.400 --> 00:38:28.000 there's multiple stalking, or one's telling a joke, or one's angry with another. 587 00:38:28.119 --> 00:38:30.559 Love that listen. I don't know what that is. I've heard it 588 00:38:30.599 --> 00:38:32.360 in the woods. I could get to the point where I think the two 589 00:38:32.440 --> 00:38:37.199 female voices talking to each other that verd males talking to each other, heard 590 00:38:37.199 --> 00:38:42.719 what sound like arguments and fanatically it's rapid. It's as fast as they run. 591 00:38:43.119 --> 00:38:45.519 I've drawn that ad. But these things put one foot in front of 592 00:38:45.559 --> 00:38:47.800 another pretty quickly. But they talk just about his fast. I can't figure 593 00:38:47.840 --> 00:38:52.519 that out. So they may be at operating and a whole other frequency. 594 00:38:52.559 --> 00:38:54.400 Though. If we're moving that fast, if your feet with that fast, 595 00:38:54.440 --> 00:38:58.199 you could talk that fast, maybe you can turn a visible I don't know. 596 00:38:58.559 --> 00:39:02.280 But these throwing it out, these things operate at it quicker than we 597 00:39:02.320 --> 00:39:07.400 are. And they seem to understand the tent before you get to a place. 598 00:39:07.079 --> 00:39:10.280 If they know you're there to have fun and not harm sometimes they interact. 599 00:39:10.800 --> 00:39:14.239 You know, I've had fun with them. We're I'll tap like a 600 00:39:14.320 --> 00:39:16.280 light tap on a jam block and they'll give me a light tap back. 601 00:39:16.719 --> 00:39:20.920 I'll intensify it, hit it harder. They'll give me everyone back. I'll 602 00:39:20.960 --> 00:39:22.920 do two they do too, you know. I'll whistle, they'll whistle back. 603 00:39:22.920 --> 00:39:28.480 I'll play harmonica, and they'll play like a harmonica soundback. Then that's 604 00:39:28.639 --> 00:39:30.719 great. When you get them on that level, it's a good day, 605 00:39:31.239 --> 00:39:34.800 all right. When they're chucking things out of the logs, out of the 606 00:39:34.800 --> 00:39:37.639 woods, you that's not a good And I've been on both of them, 607 00:39:37.880 --> 00:39:43.119 but they seem to understand intent the way. Advice are everybody out there when 608 00:39:43.119 --> 00:39:45.599 it comes to this don't go out there trying to outect these things. Don't 609 00:39:45.599 --> 00:39:49.480 go out there trying to pool them. Don't go out there and pay. 610 00:39:49.519 --> 00:39:52.039 I'm packing. Don't mess with me. It just doesn't work. I think 611 00:39:52.119 --> 00:39:55.639 these things have who we said earlier, they got abilities we do not have, 612 00:39:57.400 --> 00:40:00.880 and they may have more we have not observed yet. Yeah, they're 613 00:40:00.920 --> 00:40:04.960 real and they'll use them if they need, and a lot of weird stuff 614 00:40:04.960 --> 00:40:08.559 does happen around them. It's hard to understand. It was that expeditious past 615 00:40:08.559 --> 00:40:12.559 week and I just throw it out there. I was with two other gentlemen 616 00:40:12.719 --> 00:40:15.719 at a spot playing some Irish flute. Was one thirty in the morning. 617 00:40:15.960 --> 00:40:21.199 An area i'd been to it a passway. We've heard drum sounds, not 618 00:40:21.320 --> 00:40:23.159 to the level like kristnal Well. I've been up with him in some of 619 00:40:23.199 --> 00:40:27.559 his areas up in Vermond, stuff where he had an area he'd go in 620 00:40:27.599 --> 00:40:30.119 and play drums and they'd play back at him. They play drums where he 621 00:40:30.159 --> 00:40:35.960 got to it. Not that I almost wonder if it's Cherokee ghost type stuff, 622 00:40:36.440 --> 00:40:38.199 but we've heard voices as one area. Anyway, I'm playing a flute 623 00:40:38.239 --> 00:40:42.960 the other night and just go throw it out there and two orbs come out 624 00:40:42.960 --> 00:40:46.239 of the woods, greenish yellow orbs three feet off the ground. One of 625 00:40:46.280 --> 00:40:51.440 them stops in the middle of the road there at about fifty yards and two 626 00:40:51.480 --> 00:40:53.239 of us are standing in the road. This scene that comes right up the 627 00:40:53.280 --> 00:40:57.679 road like it's approaching. It was moving with intelligence, stop to look at 628 00:40:57.800 --> 00:41:00.880 us a little bit golf ball side aim right up in front of us, 629 00:41:01.159 --> 00:41:06.559 elevated to about four feet right in front of his disappeared. Is it bigfoot? 630 00:41:06.639 --> 00:41:09.039 I don't know. Is it bigfoot related? I don't know. Is 631 00:41:09.039 --> 00:41:12.679 it wu I don't know. Just saw it. Three of us saw it, 632 00:41:13.119 --> 00:41:15.840 watched it. We're still talking back and forth the messenger this week. 633 00:41:15.119 --> 00:41:19.519 What the hell was that I have wasted more time in the best today is 634 00:41:19.559 --> 00:41:22.760 looking up everything I could possibly find out fireflies and the time of year, 635 00:41:22.840 --> 00:41:24.920 what they can do. And I have yet to find a golf ball sized 636 00:41:24.960 --> 00:41:29.000 one that can sustain a light for that long period of time, travel fifty 637 00:41:29.079 --> 00:41:31.239 yards and evaporate in front. And by the way, they're not out yet 638 00:41:31.280 --> 00:41:35.480 for another six weeks. I don't get it. So my point of this 639 00:41:35.599 --> 00:41:39.280 is, stay open minded when you're out there. Don't be afraid to embrace 640 00:41:39.320 --> 00:41:44.559 different things that can happen. If you're at ten or up, they will 641 00:41:45.079 --> 00:41:46.800 and that's okay. I'm all right with that. So maybe when you got 642 00:41:46.840 --> 00:41:50.599 talking about that car al arm, you were out there or the other it 643 00:41:50.719 --> 00:41:52.320 was game on and playtime, and you got to be okay with that. 644 00:41:52.360 --> 00:41:54.400 In the end, if you go away, it starts saying, well, 645 00:41:54.519 --> 00:41:59.400 it's got to be proved, and I don't you drive yourself crazy. In 646 00:41:59.480 --> 00:42:01.440 the end, you do, you'll drive yourself nuts. There's a lot of 647 00:42:01.480 --> 00:42:05.760 disinformation, misinformation, a kind of thing out on the internet. It's just 648 00:42:05.960 --> 00:42:07.920 a renee talk about that. She's right, there's a lot of bs O. 649 00:42:08.880 --> 00:42:12.119 And I've had to investigat a lot of things where it's a couple of 650 00:42:12.159 --> 00:42:15.599 drunk people on out in the woods or a kid looking out a bus window 651 00:42:15.599 --> 00:42:17.960 and away home seeing Bigfoot in the woods, and it's not real that kind 652 00:42:19.039 --> 00:42:22.159 of thing. But when stuff happens you can't explain it is maybe around the 653 00:42:22.159 --> 00:42:25.159 Bigfoot phenomenon. I think you gotta be okay with. We just got to 654 00:42:25.199 --> 00:42:29.400 be careful with Now. I mean to be in my soapbox here and I 655 00:42:29.480 --> 00:42:31.480 realize I am a little We just got to be careful with, especially the 656 00:42:31.559 --> 00:42:36.920 longer you're around this getting dogmatic and saying it's not real, it's not physical, 657 00:42:36.960 --> 00:42:38.880 it doesn't fall under the left side of the ledger, so therefore I'm 658 00:42:38.880 --> 00:42:44.639 not going to acknowledge it. It's all evidence and we should look at it 659 00:42:44.679 --> 00:42:47.559 for that. Whether it's a habituation side of people don't know what to do 660 00:42:47.639 --> 00:42:51.920 with what's happening around them, or the orb I saw come out of the 661 00:42:51.920 --> 00:42:55.519 woods the other day. It's evidence, and I'm okay with I've recorded a 662 00:42:55.519 --> 00:42:59.199 lot of weird things over the years. I do not know what it is. 663 00:43:00.119 --> 00:43:02.519 Have it. It happens when you're bigfoot, and the more you're open 664 00:43:02.559 --> 00:43:06.039 minded, more your intent are up, the better. And I think you 665 00:43:06.159 --> 00:43:10.039 just got to be able to accept it. You start dismissing it all you 666 00:43:10.159 --> 00:43:14.480 just close in your mind, and I'm not a big fan of that. 667 00:43:14.800 --> 00:43:17.920 I'm okay with not knowing what everything is, and I'm okay with observing. 668 00:43:19.400 --> 00:43:23.360 They're observing us a lot. Why can't we observe them. We've mentioned it 669 00:43:23.360 --> 00:43:25.960 before, and let's tell them one more time what the book is. Where 670 00:43:27.000 --> 00:43:29.239 they can find the book, and do you have anything coming up that you 671 00:43:29.280 --> 00:43:30.920 want to tell everybody about where you're going to be and where they can catch 672 00:43:31.000 --> 00:43:35.000 up with you. Yeah. I'll be in Marian in a few weeks at 673 00:43:35.000 --> 00:43:37.840 the Mary at the Bigfood Festival, West North Carolina Big Food Festival. One 674 00:43:37.840 --> 00:43:40.159 of the speakers at that. I think I got the afternoon one of the 675 00:43:40.199 --> 00:43:45.280 afternoon slots on Saturday at the Look at one o'clock on Saturday, and they 676 00:43:45.280 --> 00:43:46.559 do that outside, so that's nice. They did it there last year. 677 00:43:46.840 --> 00:43:50.559 I think I'm doing it again this year. I will be at Townsend, 678 00:43:51.119 --> 00:43:54.159 Tennessee. I know Squatch will be selling merchandise and things that that that's coming 679 00:43:54.199 --> 00:43:57.639 up a few weeks. We have two of them in May. We'll be 680 00:43:57.679 --> 00:44:01.159 in Gatlinburg also, then make that last year. Will this year be in 681 00:44:01.239 --> 00:44:05.559 Virginia. Acro Conference coming up doing June. Will be at that also, 682 00:44:05.599 --> 00:44:07.880 I spoke about last year. This year it'll beat there. I'm glad to 683 00:44:07.960 --> 00:44:12.000 talk to people. I love when people come up to share encounters, talk 684 00:44:12.039 --> 00:44:15.559 about things in their property. It's fascinating too. After you're out there and 685 00:44:15.599 --> 00:44:21.079 you again characteristic things that happen at lineup with other places. People tell me, 686 00:44:21.119 --> 00:44:22.280 so, oh my gosh, this happened I'm like, okay, I've 687 00:44:22.280 --> 00:44:25.719 heard that before and years what happened. And that's the benefit of being around 688 00:44:25.800 --> 00:44:30.280 this a while yourself too. You're bringing to bring a big service to this 689 00:44:30.320 --> 00:44:35.119 because you're sharing what people observe, experience, etc. And we could all 690 00:44:35.199 --> 00:44:37.480 learn from it. So this is still a learning process and we all got 691 00:44:37.519 --> 00:44:40.719 to be okay with that. My book on stick instructors, we sell it 692 00:44:40.760 --> 00:44:45.079 on Etsy and I think it's six bucks or something. I sell it the 693 00:44:45.079 --> 00:44:46.400 shows for that too. It's a great thing to put your backpack they go 694 00:44:46.400 --> 00:44:51.719 out in the woods. I know squatch on Etsy, Instagram, Facebook, 695 00:44:51.760 --> 00:44:54.039 and we post things all the time on that different things. Try to keep 696 00:44:54.039 --> 00:44:58.079 it an active conversations. Got a lot of followers too on that. My 697 00:44:58.159 --> 00:45:00.079 partner runs that business. My business partner. Now that's what we're all about. 698 00:45:00.159 --> 00:45:02.280 I just had an expedition last week. So I just got out of 699 00:45:02.280 --> 00:45:07.039 the woods Sunday afternoon after being out there five days and nights and so still 700 00:45:07.079 --> 00:45:08.920 catching up in my sleep because I've been out in the whistle three am each 701 00:45:08.960 --> 00:45:10.920 day kind of thing. But I'll tell you what, I love it. 702 00:45:10.920 --> 00:45:15.519 It's fun. I just I've been scared. I'm just not scared at him 703 00:45:15.519 --> 00:45:17.000 a few times too, But I've come to peace of this thing. I 704 00:45:17.000 --> 00:45:20.360 think these things know that I know they're there, and I know they're there, 705 00:45:20.400 --> 00:45:23.679 and that's okay. And I always fall back in a Native American approach 706 00:45:23.760 --> 00:45:27.880 to these things. And I got a friend that Bill William Knighthawk up in 707 00:45:27.960 --> 00:45:30.280 Virginia. He always say to me, I'm treating what respect. There's never 708 00:45:30.320 --> 00:45:34.440 one of them. They're always in groups, think tribes, social water and 709 00:45:34.480 --> 00:45:37.159 I do. And I always talk to the woods and as they're out there, 710 00:45:37.280 --> 00:45:40.920 me no harm and we respect you. And I think it's the right 711 00:45:42.000 --> 00:45:45.639 type of approach. And so I'd ask anybody out there that get interested in 712 00:45:45.639 --> 00:45:49.000 this same try to follow that same, that same broach. I think it 713 00:45:49.039 --> 00:45:52.400 makes sense with these things too. I'd love to come back some that a 714 00:45:52.480 --> 00:45:57.239 lot of encounters I could talk to you about and anecdotally and go through some 715 00:45:57.280 --> 00:45:59.559 of the stories. So maybe we could do that against some day. Yeah, 716 00:45:59.639 --> 00:46:01.519 let's play schedule around two, Rick. I would love to have you, 717 00:46:01.559 --> 00:46:04.599 man. I've had a blast talking to you. Thank you so much 718 00:46:04.599 --> 00:46:07.599 for coming on and charing with us. Thanks for having me brought. I'm 719 00:46:07.599 --> 00:46:08.639 a fan of the show. Listen to it a lot. I think you 720 00:46:08.719 --> 00:46:13.320 do a great job getting different people, different approaches to this on here and 721 00:46:13.360 --> 00:46:16.320 talking about it. You're eye opening and you're open minded, and I think 722 00:46:16.320 --> 00:46:22.320 both of us looks are great. I definitely appreciate it. They say, 723 00:46:22.599 --> 00:46:59.480 you don't gotta go home, but you can't stay happen job, this job, 724 00:47:00.280 --> 00:47:07.079 Joy everything calling rickety cricket back Joy for me, Joy, stay right, 725 00:47:09.320 --> 00:48:16.920 you call it right away, step still, stay still, assasssta passest 726 00:48:19.440 --> 00:48:23.239 things us, ness,