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It's the Lapsed Fan Wrestling podcast with
Jack and carn S e O and JP

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sorrows. He's a lapsed fan in
all my years and rest you never seen

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anything. And it's the laps fan
man number one in the ring begin a

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Boussada were the real king of swing
with the bell goes eggs and the kick

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like me throwing in the corner but
gets rash like stick even Jerry King you

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can take off the crowd nodding his
head like a see low Brown would just

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getting low down for the goat even
high up flipp you on your head,

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but you know cool drive you speaking
more now and Dragon spits fire if you

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more shot than in Edge retire dropping
more truth than the con of sniper less.

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You would a coconut Roddy Piper check
a JP you like Jay d drop

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the cupcakes and gold the brain Bob
means the best podcast for the start,

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the close flop. You are benefit. It's a classic a pose boss.

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I'm not sure. I'm not sure
what to say, but we lost Virgil,

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we did and we were all on
the verge. On the verge is

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indeed the title on the Verge is
indeed the mission and we can't act like

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it's a loss that hits us the
same way as all the other losses.

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No, because we just have this
really weird fucking thing where Virgil came to

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your bachelor party in twenty twelve.
Yes, yes, it's it's a it's

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a it's an odd connection. It's
a very very odd connection that I doubt

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many people, if any other people
have Yeah, we've talked about it over

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the years, of course over ten
years strong here at TLF. Because this

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happened before the podcast existed. Yes
it did, and I'm I'm prepared to

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say this happened before Virgil was known
as the Meat Sauce mo Via King,

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before he was you know, basically
a meme machine on Twitter. That this

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was even before the Lonely Virgil blog
that Sam Roberts started took off, where

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they would take pictures of him at
you know, unattended booths at conventions,

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right, I mean, yeah,
it did. I mean this this happened.

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This happened yeah, way before all
that, and uh, you know

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the especially the uh the meat sauce
because the meat Sauce thing didn't go off

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until he started on Twitter. That's
when that all blew up. Yeah,

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all of a sudden, it was
the weirdest thing because we had this whole

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story, this whole arm we would
spin about how after the bachelor party,

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which took place at a basement cigar
bar in the North end of Boston,

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we took Virgil out along with Tim
to an Italian restaurant because he couldn't stop

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haunting us and other friend Eric Olsen
as well. Right, Eric was there

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as well, and we took him
out for Italian food because he kept haunting

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us throughout the course of the evening
about food. He was hungry out blame

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the guy. But but when we
got there, he couldn't stop asking and

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inquiring about meat sauce. Do you
have meat sauce? What is the meat

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sauce? Can I just get some
pasta with meat sauce? I mean the

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best, the best thing was the
uh, the the you know, do

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you have meathoff? And the server
goes, well, we do have a

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bow and a sauce. Well is
that a meatthoft that's written now what I

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asked you man? Yes it is. Actually it's the Italian word for meat

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sauce pal. So you know what
I'm trying to say, is we didn't

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have that Virgil yet, right,
we saw him, yes before it was

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a thing, Yes, in his
element off the top of his total Carnie.

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I'm not suggesting we got pretty Carnie
Virgil, of course, not lifetime

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Carnival worker. And we'll talk about
that Carnival Barker two I've heard. Absolutely

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depends what Moody caught him in,
I guess. But but in so many

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ways it's the ultimate lap story because
it's a testament to like reaching for these

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things that impacted you as a kid
wrestling fan of the Hasbro era that just

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don't make any sense. Characters You
connected with people who for some reason stuck

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with you even though they only had
really a cup of coffee. In the

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Wwftrickley is you know the baby face. That's what we remember, right with

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the white boxing troncks. Yeah,
the I That's exactly the Virgil I remember

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because that was the Virgil that I
was introduced to. I wasn't watching when

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he was the bodyguard Virgil, and
certainly being the servant to Ted DIBIASI was

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his highest profile role and got him
as rich as paydays. Although I'm sure

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that WCW contract was pretty sweet in
the nWo days. Sure, I'm sure,

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but suffice to say, it's just
like a guy. And it's been

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wild to see all of these other
people who report on wrestling and interview wrestlers

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talk about Virgil and much the same
way we did growing up, like or

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you know, talking about growing up, where it's like with this Virgil guy

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was just somebody who he wasn't anyone
super I don't think maybe he was,

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but he wasn't hours But he was
just like on the short list of guys

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that you could say this was my
era of ww fandom. Yes, yeah,

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he for some reason, is that
like direct signal he I mean he

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is because I mean he was so
he was so visible. You know,

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the visibility was such a huge factor. And you know, and and you

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know, sadly it really only stemmed
from from Ted Dbias, but the still,

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like the visibility from what eighty seven
until ninety two was huge, Yeah,

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huge, you know, I mean
numerous WrestleMania appearances, two of them

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in the ring, and there's no
denying that that that there, he's one

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of those guys. He is.
You know, you can pretty much count

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almost anyone on that hasbro roster as
somebody who is just of that, you

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know, like in a weird way, they're all like all those guys.

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If you had a Hasbro in my
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main eventor you know you kind of
you kind of have that. Especially I'll

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say this, especially in the in
the old school, you know before they

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did like the the the color the
color coded cards to dictate the series of

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the action figure. You know,
when it was all blue or all purple,

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or yellow or all red. You
know, when it was the old

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school red and blue. That to
me, anyone from that era they're a

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main eventor there they're a Hall of
famer, amazing easily amazing hall of famer

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of the era where the WWF absolutely
got its merchandising game dialed in exactly correctly,

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Like oh oh, for sure,
there were bigger money at the gate,

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There were bigger money periods on pay
per view, There were bigger money

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periods at the merchandise stand all over
the place. But when you talk about

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when the Hasbros Came out and you
talk about flipping through the WWF merchandise catalog,

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you talk about the blues, you
talk about the light hue blue,

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you talk about the red, white
and blue ropes. You talk about the

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way that all the characters popped in
the color and the action figures, the

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way they jumped off the shelf.
Folks, the esthetic was perfect. We

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had it and we lost it.
Not to say everything after it was bad,

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but everything after it was decidedly inferior
in any lapsed fan's opinion. And

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Virgil was that action figure you had
in the mix. Yes, that Virgil

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Toy. Yep, absolutely, he
you know he had he He had quite

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a bit of you know, of
time, a playtime for sure. So

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when it came time to start something
called the lapsed fan, of course,

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as we've talked about over ten years, you know, several years after we

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we got to know each other,
almost ten years after, we got to

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know each other and talked about who
the resident wrestlers were of our childhood.

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What show did We started off with
Summers twenty one one that featured him,

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by the way, I you know, you put me on a mission earlier,

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and I have not given up yet. And I think I've actually found

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his high school photo. Oh it's
wonderful. I think I find this.

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I think I've got more information in
regards to Mike Jones. So that reminds

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me that we ought to lay it
out for folks. So this is going

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to be a very different kind of
tribute show. You know, this isn't

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the lapsed fan goes month by month
through someone's life or anything like that.

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Virgil, no matter how unique a
place he holds in the Solar system,

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does not deserve that in terms of
his wrestling career and the weight of it.

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But what we're going to do is
just tell the most personal story that

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we probably could tell on the lapsed
fan, because not only does it involve

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me in you, it involves your
dad, all your friends, the wider

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circle of people that helped contribute to
what Lapsed is and helped us see that,

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Oh my god, other people can
muster enthusiasm for Virgil, even if

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they're not anywhere near as big wrestling
fans as we are, And we might

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be onto something, right boss,
if we lean into people, characters and

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feelings from this time period. It's
all for sure part of the same recipe,

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for sure, no question about it. So what we're going to do

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is tell the story in a very
concentrated way of how we came to book

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Virgil, meet Virgil, understand and
sample Virgil back in twenty twelve by bringing

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on a range of voices from that
time over a decade ago. We're going

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to be talking to folks you've heard
from in the podcast before, and folks

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you haven't heard from the podcast before. People who were in the room when

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Virgil made the surprise appearance unbeknownst to
JP. Yeah, oh my god,

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the guest of honor at this cigar
jumping good time ahead of his nuptials.

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How that all came together? Yeah, the blow by blow, and we're

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proud to also bring you the financier
behind it all. Indeed, it's time

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for Papa Sorrow on the main feed. Good, damn right it is.

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We'll be talking to JP's dad about
working with me the best man, yep,

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to find Virgil, to explain to
Virgil the opportunity to negotiate that fucking

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fee with Virgil and to close the
deal and to get him on a plane

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to Boston, and to deliver something
that we thought of as a lark as

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a laughline in college. Talking to
Tim who'll be joining us later. Who

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you know Tim Diddy, the DIDs
the DIDs You heard from him most recently

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when we reviewed The Iron Claw.
He came with us to the movie and

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joined us for the review, that's
right. And we were talking with him

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back when he would have parties at
his house, or he'd have parties more

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accurately at his house, and we'd
come over sometimes and bring the no Mercy

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and it wasn't all like you know, just like sausage fest geek offs,

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you know. Sometimes it was an
actual party, like a yeah, right,

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a party that you can be respected. Usual was a real party,

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and so we would talk about how
amazing would it be. And this is

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before really the wrestling convention circuit as
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really existed, or if it existed, we didn't really know about it,

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and it wasn't as easy to find
the advertising for it wasn't as aggressive online,

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for instance. I remember. What
I remember was that it was it

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was a time period where it was
that weird period where right after WCW closed,

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like within a couple of years after
WCW closed, and there were a

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lot of guys who didn't have jobs
because of that, that's right. And

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so what I remember is when I
this is during the period, this is

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after you introduced me to the to
the Wrestling Observer website, let alone the

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Observer itself, and I would always
check out the updates and see what was

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going on. And one thing that
I noticed was that in almost every update

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there was a you know, so
and so is available for personal appearances.

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That's right, you know, contact
so and so to book them for bookings

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or whatever Twitter, Yeah, right, And so you'd see any any wrestler

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from that you know, that era
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thing, and and it would be
it'd be like, you know what,

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like these people are are available,
Like what do you mean appearances? What's

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an appearance? Right? That mean
right? And that probably got the gears

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turning to where we were bullshitting with
Tim and we were like, what,

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how amazing would it be if for
some reason we were able to get in

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touch with Virgil Virgil? We came
up with Virgil? Come up with Virgil?

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Virgil was the thing because it was
the most random, right, because

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like like Tim was was he saw
it, like did saw it? And

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it was like are you kidding me? Like this guy you know? And

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it was like just the most random
person, random wrestler you could ever choose.

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And so and that's what made it, you know, that's it made

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it stick in the mind. To
be one thing, if I said,

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imagine if stone Cold Steve Austin came
to this party, we'd all yuck it

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up. It'd be funny to think
about, but it wouldn't stick in our

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mind for nine, ten, twelve
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I mean because also it was like
every time after that, whenever DIDs had

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a party, it was always like, are you gonna invite Virgil? You're

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gonna are you gonna get virtual account? You know, it became kind of

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a thing after that, and with
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him, you know, not necessarily
one hundred percent honest, but I'd say

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that there were was, there was
a little bit there of like he wanted

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that to happen. There's no doubt
about that. He would have loved you

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know, it didn't It wasn't something
so far fetched that he would that it

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was always not possible. It was
something that he would have liked to have

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done. Yeah, well Tim would
have not Virgil, Yeah, no,

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no, no, I'm sure Virgil
would love to do it, would have

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loved it. You kidding me?
Free food and in a payday and right,

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well that's the candy. But the
it just a totally you know,

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just totally inappropriate passes at some of
the female attendees. I'm sure. Oh

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yeah, oh, oh my god, when you pay Virgil the fuck money,

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as we learned, he's turning around
and looking to fuck with it.

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Listen, he's there. He sits
burning a hole in his pocket and in

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his cross and in his fucking box
or shorts. Did you look at the

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picture? Just sign you, by
the way, I did look at that.

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What a glorious picture of him.
Apparently gotta be him. Oh,

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that's one hundred percent him. Look
at the face, man, you can't

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deny it, right, and the
eyes are kind of droopy eyes on the

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side there. Why is I wonder? Why is there such a dearth about

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Michael Jones's upbringing? Why do we
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I'm discovering as we go along here, pal, Well, why are

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there two completely different decades that people
say he was born in. Upon his

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passing, a lot of folks reported
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and then quickly after conferring with his
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arrangements post death. They said he
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why would he? And and actually
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it's nineteen fifty four. Wow,
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it's nineteen fifty four, Pep.
I'm ready to deal with that.

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here in a little while. And
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it because it's one last work from
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know, would you would approach his
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seconds somehow feel like you inadvertently agreed
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picture in an autograph, right,
and he would get all these little tactics,

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and that's what led to the Lonely
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Sam Roberts starting the blog. He
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observe Virgil at work and the ways
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kind of cut in line when bigger
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try to like front run them and
just set up shop near them to try

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to get some of that daste.
He would put a banner out that said

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Teddy Biassi and Virgil, even though
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Oh my god. And you know, people would ask him where Teddy Biasi

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is and he'd say, well,
he's I'm not sure where he is right

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now, but he'll be back.
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come back, of course. And
he would always just you know, if

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you had a girlfriend or a friend
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and then try to charge you for
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extra interaction. Of course, why
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the conventions. He brought it to
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I didn't ask him to do it. That's me. I didn't know that.

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I didn't know that. I mean
when he got out of the car

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we had to pick him up and
drop him off at the cigar bar,

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and he had that glistening title on
his shoulder when over the shoulder of his

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hooded sweatshirt when he stepped out into
the Boston night. I was like,

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this is too much. And you
know, the best thing is that I've

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said it before when you kind of
got a little closer to it and you

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saw that, you know what that
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that are missing. And then also
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by fucking zip tize there zip tize
in there. Absolutely there were and we

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can't we can't dance around the reality. And you know that's not like he

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wasn't forthright about it being a replica
belt or anything like that. He wasn't

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trying to convince you it was the
real thing, because as we learned,

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he's got a whole tall tale to
tell about how the belt was actually fifty

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pounds and caused Teddy Biassi to suffer
nearly two hundred stitches. I don't see

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what that. Yeah, and so
strap yourself through the world according to Virgil,

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you saying it's bullshit. Yes,
no, Because as quickly as it

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went from like the shock and awe
in surprise of him being there, it

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quickly went to the side glances at
each other like, does he expect us

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to believe what he just said?
Absolutely horrifying? I mean, more whoppers

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than any burger king Oh seriously,
seriously, God, he hit fucking quadruple

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whoppers going. He piled them high
with cheese. Okay, and we're going

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to get to all of it.
There's no more appropriate time to try to

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do something definitive about this one of
a kind night that we experienced, a

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night that I swear to God played
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theoretical basis for why we would do
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we would be so convinced that it
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The reaction we saw a Virgil from
people that were just kind of tangential wrestling

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fans, not because they thought Virgil
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because it's so funny that it's Virgil. Yeah, right exactly. That That's

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what makes it all work, is
that, and that you know, is

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echoed in the Lonely Virgil stuff that's
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Sean Ross sapp interviewed him for Fight
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Madness mobile game. I god,
it just didn't stop, this mobile part

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of Madness, the meat sauce thing. It was just like we thought he

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just said it off handedly because we
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at the time. And it was, by the way, it totally was.

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I mean he was, he was, he was craving it, but

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I mean, come on, and
then just to hear it like echoed back

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to us five years later, three
years later, it's like, what's going

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on here? How is you running
with this? The funny thing is I

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can tell you too. I remember, I remember that it happened, that

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this all happened after we even told
the story for the first time. Oh

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yeah, of course it did.
Twenty fourteen. Yeah, well we told

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twenty fifteen. We told her.
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actually when we cover Wrestling of thirty, and I'll never forget like it was.

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It was like a year or two
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sudden, it was meat sauce,
this meat sauce that what the fuck?

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Like? Wow, how about it? Yeah? Exactly? How about it?

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You know, you know what you're
thinking in terms of where credit belongs,

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it's where it always belongs. We
tried not to say it too much

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because God forbid we're wrong, but
it happens too often for us now,

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and so I'm okay with that the
inference. So yeah, we're going to

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do just a show that's completely focused
on why Virgil and why this moment and

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why this bachelor party and why everything
really, and we're going to look at

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just a few flashpoints from his in
ring career. Certainly not an in ring

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career to write home about, he
had his fair share of high profile matches,

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many of which are in the archive
already, but we'll revisit them and

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watch a long form for tribute purposes, as we have done before. So

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we're talking nine and one Summer Slam, of course against Debasi for the million

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dollar Championship. That that magical pairing
with piper Man. That that was,

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That was some That was some good
stuff. Oh it was amazing. Oh

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it was tremendous. It's it's it's
you really can't get much more kind of

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dramatic and and it's it's it's the
gooey stuff that wrestling can provide, you

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know. It's that it's it's that
you know when when you when you really

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play out the this this thing.
It's a shame that he didn't have what

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it took to take it to the
next level. But yeah, you know,

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because he just couldn't. I don't
know. I mean, it wasn't

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like I felt like I didn't think
it was even felt like he identified with

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the servant character, the bodyguard character
anymore. It just was he just didn't

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have He just didn't have a lot. Yeah, yeah, yeah, there

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wasn't much there there. You know, him a boxing gimmick because he was

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doing some boxing before. The best
thing was, without a doubt, the

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best thing was his you know,
the the issue of of of W magazine.

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It was during kind of the very
tail end of his career, and

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they were basically pushing a gimmick through
the magazine, and the idea was Virgil

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was upset that he was not getting
enough attention in the magazine, and so

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he bought an ad page. He
quote unquote bought an ad page and created

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his own cover. Oh my god, his own w Againe. I'm gonna

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find it, Yeah you will.
We're to touch on that. So this

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is more. This will be more
our part two, it'll be his matches

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that one ninety one Rumble where he
turns on Debs. He matched in the

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Garden where he teamed with DiBiase against
Hogan and Bigelow when they were trying to

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push Bigelow as you know, a
two one bee baby face star for a

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little while there in eighty seven,
pretty much, you know, his highest

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profile match with Deebs. I would
think he didn't wrestle very much as Ted

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DiBiase's bodyguard was pretty much more of
a manager than anything else. And we're

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also going to take a look at
a match you got to have against Brett

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Hart shortly after Brett won his first
WWF world title. Remember that in late

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ninety two we had a match against
Virgil on Superstars where he gave Virgil quite

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a bit and it turned out to
be a match that meant a lot to

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Virgil and actually meant something to Brett
Hart as well. So we look forward

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to looking at that match with a
fresh set of eyes. It's not much

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to write home about, but as
far as Virgil goes, I mean,

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listen, he got a world title
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Let's not forget Virgil got a world
title shot on TV, not just

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a fucking paper that's just a fucking
house show rather yep, yep, and

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all the biographical details and the smoke
and mirrors of his you know, actual

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biography and all of the things that
he came to be known for when you

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know he had that second lease on
life? Is this meme, this walking,

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living, breathing meme. Who didn't
even know what a meme was?

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I know he didn't. That was
kind of being led around by people who

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definitely knew what a meme was.
Well, God absolutely weren't hesitating to put

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words in his mouth on social media
and another forum to keep the buzz going.

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So we look forward to doing a
tribute to Virgil Mike Jones that we

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think only we're capable of doing here
at TIA left us say and Reynolds can't

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do a great tribute. Of course
they can, but we have a unique

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vantage point in the sky. No
one can do anything. Yeah, needs

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to be done. So before we
get to our esteem, guests to revisit

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that day. It was October right
of twenty twelve. It was October fourth,

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twenty twelve, My god, and
then all went down. Yeah,

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we are obliged to remind you that
the road to WrestleMania is obviously in full

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gear, oh goodness, and what
that means is the biggest premium live event

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of the weekend is also rapidly approaching. April seventh, Sunday high noon Punchline

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Philly and Philadelphia, the co Chairman
take the stage for the Lapsed Fan's Bozos,

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Biceps and Bullshit Brunch Boss. Absolutely, and it's it's going to be

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wild. It's gonna be I mean, if you ask me, based on

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what happened last year's it's even more
uncensored, more uncut, more real than

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anything you'll ever experience. We're definitely
gonna take full advantage of the notion that

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this is, you know, for
a select group only in the system,

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and we can go places perhaps that
we and you know what, as we

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always do, we're going to do
our damnedest to make sure we never get

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invited back. Yeah, one and
done, baby, We're moving on to

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the next town. We're like Terry
Funk, we did what we came here

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to do. It's time to go. It is time to go before we

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butt heads. Let us move on
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of course, we're obliged to remind
you that if you buy tickets ahead

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of time and send us proof of
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Fan at gmail dot com, you
will be entered into a raffle to win

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an authentic Terry Funk branding iron obtained
by the Man's estate sale himself, the

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co chairman of course, as you
know from the Lapsed Funk able to get

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our hands on this, as well
as many other pieces of what we considered

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research materials for the Lapsed Funk journey. But this branding iron, we feel

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like is a gift befitting attendance at
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get your tickets early, get your
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up the roster of people who are
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already in the hopper for that raffle. Absolutely, this is like, this

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is a true who's who of the
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Oh question, no question, I
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they're all coming? Yeah, they're
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Coast time zone makes relative to last
year's la show. Oh question, what

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a difference it makes to not be
going, you know at eleven pm on

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a Sunday night after two nights of
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year. Nice afternoon slot between the
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and often get in on that raffle. And we've got some great friends from

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the stand up comedy world joining us, some great stand up comedians, lamaiyor

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Lee among them. Really excited to
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wrestling fan, of hilarious comic and
an associate of Shane Geillis, who recently

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hosted Saturday Night Live. You probably
heard our interview with Ray Gooots, who

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helps us put the comedy piece of
this together recently on the main Feed,

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talking about Lamaire and the other comics
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And we have an a pretty good
authority as well that we're going to be

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able offer even sweeter of a deal
on above and beyond Terry Funk's branding iron

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to attendees of the show of certain
allegiances and alliances come together. Just put

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it that way. It's all happening
in the spirit of TLFX. It's accelerating.

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Boss. People are pretending not to
notice, people are pretending. People

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are just pretending. People are just
pretending. No, no, no,

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no, no no. We know
you know. Yes, we know you're

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watching. Yes, we know you're
monitoring, and we know you're thinking.

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Oh yeah, I remember that cover. I remember that cover, big time

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fake cover. It's not even it
was in the middle of a magazine.

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Wasn't even a real cover. I
remember the fake cover then. And in

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the spirit of TLFX and everything accelerating
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which launches this week, looking at
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going into the great hours long interviews
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past, some known, some lesser
known, and just pulling out choice nuggets

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that didn't make the final cut of
the documentaries but still deserve to have an

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00:27:59.720 --> 00:28:03.119
air. So much fun to come
on that podcast. So oh, it's

405
00:28:03.119 --> 00:28:07.400
so much fun to hear those,
to hear those those those all the stories

406
00:28:07.440 --> 00:28:12.759
and just those soundbites that that you
know, what I think is great about

407
00:28:12.799 --> 00:28:17.519
it and what I enjoy the most
about it is there are two things that

408
00:28:17.519 --> 00:28:22.960
I enjoy the most about it.
Number One, it's it's hearing stories that

409
00:28:22.119 --> 00:28:26.400
aren't even really relevant to the Yeah, you would never have a reason to

410
00:28:26.480 --> 00:28:30.000
surface them exactly, that's to me, that's where the real gold mine is.

411
00:28:30.039 --> 00:28:33.720
And in these stories that there's just
not enough like where would you put

412
00:28:33.720 --> 00:28:40.200
this in an episode? And also
to hear to hear Evan and uh,

413
00:28:41.200 --> 00:28:45.359
you know the other whatever. Guess
we end up having hearing their memories and

414
00:28:45.400 --> 00:28:49.000
how a lot of these interviews because
they've been they've been in the can for

415
00:28:49.039 --> 00:28:56.279
so long, just like we like
it, and that they it just triggers

416
00:28:56.319 --> 00:29:00.839
a lot of memories and a lot
of like emotions and stuff, and it's

417
00:29:00.839 --> 00:29:04.079
fascinating to listen to. Yeah,
if having Virgil around for a bachelor party

418
00:29:04.079 --> 00:29:07.839
for a couple of hours launches an
entire inspiration for a tribute series here or

419
00:29:07.839 --> 00:29:11.920
a couple of tribute shows, can
you imagine what spending all that time on

420
00:29:11.960 --> 00:29:17.160
the road for five seasons in front
of all of these wild and fucking crazy

421
00:29:17.200 --> 00:29:19.880
carny characters from the wrestling business.
The kind of stories you accumulate then,

422
00:29:21.720 --> 00:29:23.160
so they just un load on you. Dark Side of the Ring Unheard get

423
00:29:23.160 --> 00:29:26.680
it wherever you find your podcast.
It's also up on YouTube, and we're

424
00:29:26.720 --> 00:29:30.680
really excited to play a part in
launching Dark Side season five. You knew

425
00:29:30.720 --> 00:29:33.119
it was only a matter of time, folks. You know, there's only

426
00:29:33.119 --> 00:29:37.200
so many times we can set down
definitive histories and the most entertaining way possible

427
00:29:37.200 --> 00:29:40.400
be for you know, folks at
a higher level just say you know what,

428
00:29:40.960 --> 00:29:42.160
these are the guys who need to
partner with. It's a very simple

429
00:29:42.160 --> 00:29:45.640
thing. It is a very simple
thing, and God bless simple things.

430
00:29:47.079 --> 00:29:52.519
So excited about April seventh punchline Philly, excited about Dark Side of the Ring

431
00:29:52.559 --> 00:29:56.440
Unheard, excited about Under the Cinemat. Oh yeah, we get to pop

432
00:29:56.480 --> 00:30:00.480
a sorrow boss. Tell them what
journey we have embarked on for EP and

433
00:30:00.519 --> 00:30:03.920
above on Patreon. If you don't
know, you damn well should know.

434
00:30:04.680 --> 00:30:11.680
We have embarked on the Carnies Are
Forever Tour, and that is a look

435
00:30:11.960 --> 00:30:21.039
into wrestling, wrestlers and wrestling involved
with the James Bond franchise, and we

436
00:30:21.119 --> 00:30:23.759
are touching upon every you know,
want to know, it's funny, it's

437
00:30:23.799 --> 00:30:26.559
it's a it's a work in progress. You know, I gave, I

438
00:30:26.599 --> 00:30:32.160
gave a twenty film. I guess
what they're twenty one now. Oh yeah,

439
00:30:32.160 --> 00:30:34.279
there'll be more by the time with
I know, I know, like

440
00:30:34.759 --> 00:30:38.079
there, I'm sure at some point
we're gonna have to go back and fill

441
00:30:38.079 --> 00:30:45.119
in all the holes because it's as
we do, because it's it's really unbelievable.

442
00:30:45.839 --> 00:30:48.559
Uh uh, you know when it
comes down to just you know,

443
00:30:48.759 --> 00:30:52.000
looking through the these these characters and
these people and stuff and the stuntman,

444
00:30:52.160 --> 00:30:56.480
especially the stuntment are key in this
one because it's it's you know, it's

445
00:30:56.480 --> 00:31:02.480
a UK based film franchise, and
so what you know, the best stupman

446
00:31:02.519 --> 00:31:06.799
in the UK where are they.
They're working the they're working the wrestling circuit

447
00:31:06.880 --> 00:31:10.519
totally. You know, it's a
concentric circle in the UK, just like

448
00:31:10.559 --> 00:31:14.440
it is with you know, Mike
mssurki and Ship in the US. So

449
00:31:14.640 --> 00:31:18.279
it's uh, it's it's going to
be a wild ride. It's exciting and

450
00:31:18.519 --> 00:31:22.799
uh, you know, you can
figure out what comes next, honestly,

451
00:31:22.880 --> 00:31:26.440
but there there are going to be
some holes and so I'm not going to

452
00:31:26.480 --> 00:31:30.400
tell you what's up next. Doctor
No available, Now that's right, Doctor

453
00:31:30.440 --> 00:31:34.039
No start off featuring Milton Reid of
the UK Grappling Circuit and and and here's

454
00:31:34.079 --> 00:31:38.359
the thing, this is the thing
too. The reason why I decided it

455
00:31:38.400 --> 00:31:45.400
was time to do it was because
it got to the point about maybe late

456
00:31:45.480 --> 00:31:52.960
last year, maybe the fall of
last year, and I realized that it

457
00:31:52.039 --> 00:31:57.839
can actually connect all the dots.
We're not missing a bond. Every bond

458
00:31:57.880 --> 00:32:01.000
is going to get covered, not
because I feel like we have to,

459
00:32:01.079 --> 00:32:07.799
but because there is a wrestler,
at least one wrestler in every single Bond

460
00:32:07.880 --> 00:32:15.240
movie with a different James Bond.
That is fascinating. That includes that includes

461
00:32:15.000 --> 00:32:22.559
the two Rogue ones, what which
aren't associated with the the Eon franchise.

462
00:32:22.799 --> 00:32:28.680
That's really ridiculous. Yes it is, and it's it's really we're touching upon

463
00:32:28.720 --> 00:32:31.440
a lot of shit. And again
that to me was like when I was

464
00:32:31.440 --> 00:32:37.839
able to connect all of that,
it's go time so excited too do a

465
00:32:37.880 --> 00:32:39.240
lot of fun. As I said, you know, this is a classic

466
00:32:39.319 --> 00:32:44.599
example of a film franchise that I
would never crack open. I'd never I'd

467
00:32:44.599 --> 00:32:46.119
always want to watch them all,
but would never have the reason to say,

468
00:32:46.119 --> 00:32:49.640
this is the time to do it. Yeah, and now thanks to

469
00:32:49.680 --> 00:32:52.359
under the cinemat and I assume many
members of the Solar System are in the

470
00:32:52.400 --> 00:32:53.279
same boat. Not only were going
to do it, are we going to

471
00:32:53.319 --> 00:32:55.519
watch it? Are we going to
experience it? Or we're going to understand

472
00:32:55.519 --> 00:33:00.200
it thanks to Passu's research, but
we're also going to get the full story

473
00:33:00.559 --> 00:33:05.519
behind passing glimpses and even more of
wrestlers that appear in these films. It's

474
00:33:06.079 --> 00:33:10.000
the concept is proven, proof of
concept is in. We continue pillaging the

475
00:33:10.039 --> 00:33:15.319
competition on Patreon dot com, damn
right slash the Lapsed Fan of course,

476
00:33:15.359 --> 00:33:20.759
not only under the cinemat tier executive
producer tier, but above our great friends

477
00:33:20.759 --> 00:33:24.359
and the Mote tier. The really
the most intense nucleus of wrestling podcast fans

478
00:33:24.359 --> 00:33:28.759
anywhere on planet Earth. I put
them up against anybody, and they were

479
00:33:28.759 --> 00:33:31.799
the recipient of two recent calls.
We've decided, you know, the motier

480
00:33:31.880 --> 00:33:36.519
is like our friends. We're going
to bring them into that closer social circle

481
00:33:37.039 --> 00:33:39.200
than the rest of the Solar system
gets to see. And the long tradition

482
00:33:39.240 --> 00:33:42.880
when a wrestler dies is we race
to be the first to call the other

483
00:33:42.920 --> 00:33:46.400
one to renounce the news, and
if circumstances are right, we record the

484
00:33:46.400 --> 00:33:50.799
thing and share it only with the
moteier. The call for both only Anderson

485
00:33:50.839 --> 00:33:54.480
and Virgil. Virgil his tribute show
able to the moat tier as well,

486
00:33:54.559 --> 00:33:59.200
So we hope that served as a
bit of an entree to what we're going

487
00:33:59.240 --> 00:34:00.960
to be doing here. Boss,
I think it's time to bring up Papa

488
00:34:01.039 --> 00:34:05.839
Sorrow. I think you are absolutely
right. I'm preparing to call him.

489
00:34:05.839 --> 00:34:08.840
Tell people like how you pitched him
on this about coming on the show.

490
00:34:09.119 --> 00:34:12.280
Yeah, oh my god. I
didn't have to do anything. I just

491
00:34:12.280 --> 00:34:15.000
said, hey, look we're doing
a you know well he he Okay.

492
00:34:15.000 --> 00:34:19.079
It always starts off too. He
whenever, whenever a wrestler dies, he'll

493
00:34:19.119 --> 00:34:24.480
always send me a text, yes, a link to whatever news article you

494
00:34:24.519 --> 00:34:30.400
know that he that he read that. And what he'll do is he'll say,

495
00:34:31.360 --> 00:34:36.159
oh, I'm so sorry for your
loss. You're right, and the

496
00:34:36.159 --> 00:34:38.199
thing are you doing? Okay?
I know, I know it's been hard.

497
00:34:40.840 --> 00:34:49.039
Had he heard about Virgil ahead of
time. Uh after you you called

498
00:34:50.360 --> 00:34:54.239
hey, hey, hey, hey, hey John, listen, can you

499
00:34:54.480 --> 00:35:00.159
do you call me back in twenty
minutes? Work? Okay? Is he

500
00:35:00.159 --> 00:35:01.400
shooting a work in JP? You
tell me? I don't know what he's

501
00:35:01.400 --> 00:35:07.760
doing. Can you call me at
nine o'clock? Why are you watching Raymond?

502
00:35:07.599 --> 00:35:13.199
No, it's a great episode.
It's one of my favorite. I'll

503
00:35:15.559 --> 00:35:20.440
be glad to call you back,
no problem, nine o'clock. Consider it

504
00:35:20.480 --> 00:35:27.400
booked? All right? Yes,
thanks, so amazing, so amazing.

505
00:35:28.480 --> 00:35:32.679
I'm keeping that in. I don't
give a fuck. That's perfect. We've

506
00:35:32.679 --> 00:35:37.239
got we've got more folks on deck
who were there, and you know John

507
00:35:37.360 --> 00:35:42.400
was there as well. And this
is a good time to tell people something

508
00:35:42.440 --> 00:35:46.599
that just for me at least absolutely
put it across the finish line is clear

509
00:35:46.639 --> 00:35:51.760
out all plans for what we had
on the schedule for TLF. We have

510
00:35:51.800 --> 00:35:58.199
to do a Virgil show for sure. The discovery that, in fact,

511
00:35:58.519 --> 00:36:07.280
on the night of the Bachelor Party, Bill was a recording this this was

512
00:36:07.800 --> 00:36:10.840
boss all right. So here's so
so okay, let me tell you what

513
00:36:10.880 --> 00:36:16.800
happened here. So the so the
other day, so leading up to this,

514
00:36:16.920 --> 00:36:21.960
we've been talking about who are we
you know, we should get as

515
00:36:22.000 --> 00:36:27.119
many people as we can to to
talk and and and you know, get

516
00:36:27.440 --> 00:36:31.199
and reflect on on the night and
and what we all remember. And so

517
00:36:31.440 --> 00:36:36.719
I I talked to Bill. I
texted him and he said, well,

518
00:36:36.719 --> 00:36:42.159
here, I'll just read what we
he said, He said, hey,

519
00:36:42.239 --> 00:36:44.760
I said, hey, don't know
if you heard the news that Virgil kicked

520
00:36:44.760 --> 00:36:47.039
it this week? Jack and I
are prepping a tribute show for him and

521
00:36:47.039 --> 00:36:50.880
are trying to talk to everyone who
was at the bachelor party. Do you

522
00:36:50.920 --> 00:36:54.199
have time for a quick call?
And he wrote back abs of fucking lutely

523
00:36:54.840 --> 00:36:58.519
and then the audio is terrible,
but here, and I thought he like

524
00:36:58.559 --> 00:37:00.119
sent me a link. I thought
it maybe he'd he'd whipped up like like

525
00:37:00.159 --> 00:37:06.079
he misunderstood, like he whipped up
an audio response and like reflected. And

526
00:37:06.119 --> 00:37:07.800
so I click on the link because
I couldn't see it all right away.

527
00:37:08.719 --> 00:37:16.360
I click on the link and he
has sent me a link to the the

528
00:37:16.480 --> 00:37:21.480
video of the thing, a whole
fucking thing. And when you told me

529
00:37:21.519 --> 00:37:24.719
that not the whole thing, well, they mean like the Virgil parts.

530
00:37:24.880 --> 00:37:28.960
Yes, And when you said that, I was like, you know what,

531
00:37:29.599 --> 00:37:32.599
it was twenty twelve? Yeah,
So it was pre everything being on

532
00:37:32.639 --> 00:37:36.960
film all the time because the cameras
weren't that good. But I do remember

533
00:37:37.840 --> 00:37:39.840
him holding up a cell phone camera, a primitive one such as it was.

534
00:37:40.480 --> 00:37:44.559
Yeah, and then it just it
just blew my mind that it's still

535
00:37:44.719 --> 00:37:47.639
yep, it's still rested within his
archives. Ye. Yeah, that was

536
00:37:47.679 --> 00:37:52.199
That was the thing that I was
like, holy shit, like he fucking

537
00:37:52.320 --> 00:37:55.840
had this. And I think we
call it lap serendipity by the way,

538
00:37:55.920 --> 00:38:00.280
motherfucker's. I think we call it
lap serendipity, by the way. Motherfuckers.

539
00:38:02.079 --> 00:38:06.079
I have yet to watch the whole
thing through. Does it make you

540
00:38:06.119 --> 00:38:10.960
nervous? Of course it does,
if be horrified? Why because because there's

541
00:38:12.000 --> 00:38:16.679
just like the they're there, because
I remember how awkward it was then,

542
00:38:17.039 --> 00:38:23.679
yes, and and trying to like
sober up. Yeah, you already a

543
00:38:23.679 --> 00:38:28.119
few drinks in. I'm like,
I'm like totally lit at this point,

544
00:38:28.159 --> 00:38:30.639
and I'm like, oh shit,
I got a fucking I gotta go to

545
00:38:30.679 --> 00:38:35.840
work now, because nobody knows who
the fuck this guy is except for five

546
00:38:35.920 --> 00:38:38.599
of us. Really, there are
five people who are who are aware of

547
00:38:38.800 --> 00:38:43.880
paint depicture. Who else is there? I mean we're talking so the five

548
00:38:43.960 --> 00:38:49.480
people in the know as to who
Virgil is. It's you, it's DIDs,

549
00:38:49.599 --> 00:38:53.519
it's Bill, my dad and me. That's the five. And we're

550
00:38:53.559 --> 00:39:00.559
talking. I've got my my well, my redacted father in law, would

551
00:39:00.599 --> 00:39:04.400
be would be redacted father in law, my would be redacted brother in law,

552
00:39:04.920 --> 00:39:14.159
my my, my two uncles,
my uh uh, my my wife's

553
00:39:14.320 --> 00:39:24.000
uncle, my wife's cousin was there. And doctor Tom Foss, who is

554
00:39:25.000 --> 00:39:29.000
a West Newbury neighbor of the scene, is yes he is, Yes he

555
00:39:29.079 --> 00:39:32.000
is. I've whenever they find some
old wrestling relic, they always give it

556
00:39:32.039 --> 00:39:37.559
to me. And he didn't know. Virgil was no, no, no,

557
00:39:37.599 --> 00:39:38.639
he wouldn't fucking know. He'd be
like, what is this ship?

558
00:39:38.800 --> 00:39:45.079
So I want you to imagine.
Okay, everyone here knows JP's a big

559
00:39:45.119 --> 00:39:47.000
wrestling fan. You know he's a
boy, child, man, child whatever.

560
00:39:47.159 --> 00:39:52.000
Yes, yes, and you know
they expect wrestlers coming. Oh that's

561
00:39:52.000 --> 00:39:57.000
wild. Maybe child and proud they
oh, yeah, well better be proud.

562
00:39:57.000 --> 00:40:00.639
There's no choice generation. We grew
up in the there's no choice.

563
00:40:00.880 --> 00:40:02.559
Yes, we play with toys longer
than our kids do with the fuss,

564
00:40:02.639 --> 00:40:07.840
right, that's right. So they
know a wrestler's coming. Oh, that's

565
00:40:07.880 --> 00:40:10.159
that's a funny idea. Oh,
sure, I will prefer a stripper.

566
00:40:10.159 --> 00:40:16.440
But that's cool, it's all.
It's also kind of very what's the word

567
00:40:16.440 --> 00:40:21.280
I'm looking for it is having a
stripper there. It's very in cell to

568
00:40:22.239 --> 00:40:24.719
have a wrestler at your bachelor party
instead of it. But anyway, Oh

569
00:40:24.800 --> 00:40:30.599
my god, I I I understand, Uh, I understood. Uh uh

570
00:40:30.679 --> 00:40:37.000
what's his buttery directed? Uh uh? Beyond the mat, I understand Barry

571
00:40:37.000 --> 00:40:43.400
Blausting's embarrassment and pain right that third
hand embarrassment of that. Although I think

572
00:40:43.440 --> 00:40:49.599
my dad, I think my dad
bringing out the fucking wrestling rings that he

573
00:40:49.639 --> 00:40:53.760
fucking brought them to the roast,
probably more embarrassing than Virgil. I'll say

574
00:40:53.800 --> 00:41:02.360
that. I'm just sitting here.
It's just just mortified for you. As

575
00:41:02.360 --> 00:41:05.960
he's like, well, you know, I guess I guess it's gonna be

576
00:41:06.000 --> 00:41:10.079
his thing. I mean, makes
him happy, right like, let seriously

577
00:41:10.119 --> 00:41:15.199
bossed, like you have down syndrome. Honestly, listen, I might as

578
00:41:15.199 --> 00:41:19.840
well be Jeff Town'll be j JP
Town. It was it was JP Town

579
00:41:19.880 --> 00:41:22.480
for one night, wasn't it.
It was? Indeed, Oh my god,

580
00:41:22.599 --> 00:41:27.360
Virgil caught a one way flight.
So so imagine, you know,

581
00:41:27.440 --> 00:41:29.440
well, wrestler here. It'll be
funny. You know, the guy will

582
00:41:29.440 --> 00:41:31.880
come out. He'll be this way
charismatic, over the top, loud,

583
00:41:31.960 --> 00:41:37.239
looking muscular in costume, you know, like like Hulk Cogan comes out like

584
00:41:37.280 --> 00:41:40.480
in his in his wrestling attire,
richs his shirt off and shit, you

585
00:41:40.519 --> 00:41:45.880
know that's what they would expect.
And that guy who looks like Virgil at

586
00:41:45.880 --> 00:41:50.639
his age in twenty twelve and a
hooded sweatshirt walks in. He's not him.

587
00:41:50.639 --> 00:41:52.679
He's big, but he's not.
He's not someone you'd seen in an

588
00:41:52.679 --> 00:41:58.320
airport as a wrestler. He's not. He walks in and everyone's like,

589
00:41:58.599 --> 00:42:00.159
I mean, everyone was such great
sorts. And that's one thing that going

590
00:42:00.199 --> 00:42:04.960
back and watching Bill's video really drove
home to me. It is like people

591
00:42:04.960 --> 00:42:07.320
were great, like they were just
acting like it was the biggest deal in

592
00:42:07.360 --> 00:42:09.119
the world, even though they could
give a fuck about this guy. Yeah,

593
00:42:09.199 --> 00:42:15.239
great support system there, But like
you said, it changes everything to

594
00:42:15.280 --> 00:42:17.760
have him walk in that door.
It does, It absolutely does, because

595
00:42:17.920 --> 00:42:21.559
what are we gonna what's he gonna
do? Like, yeah, what's he

596
00:42:21.599 --> 00:42:24.119
gonna do? What is I his
host? Now? Like, what's happening

597
00:42:24.199 --> 00:42:29.559
now because he doesn't know me well
enough to roast me. He's standing there,

598
00:42:29.719 --> 00:42:34.880
and he's standing there, and the
the invigil is standing there right right.

599
00:42:34.920 --> 00:42:37.159
He's kind of like standing there like
a fucking you know, like a

600
00:42:37.280 --> 00:42:43.519
like a bearded woman at the circus, just like we always thought at the

601
00:42:43.559 --> 00:42:45.039
party, like when we talked about
hiring him to go to a party,

602
00:42:45.199 --> 00:42:49.119
what the funniest thing was, we
wouldn't do anything. We just have him

603
00:42:49.159 --> 00:42:51.719
stand there right, like we didn't
even talk to him. Really, you'd

604
00:42:51.719 --> 00:42:53.400
just be hilarious if he was standing
there. You see, he's just kind

605
00:42:53.440 --> 00:42:57.239
of standing there. But you know, it kind of got to a point

606
00:42:57.239 --> 00:43:00.400
where it's like, well this doesn't
really work right now, and I,

607
00:43:00.719 --> 00:43:04.679
you know, start to get really
really nervous, like what the fuck are

608
00:43:04.719 --> 00:43:09.440
we going to do with this guy
now? And so no plan. Oh

609
00:43:09.519 --> 00:43:15.360
my god, past the initial entrance. So that's it. Oh my god,

610
00:43:15.400 --> 00:43:16.480
you tell what era we were in. It was the entrance era.

611
00:43:16.800 --> 00:43:22.800
That's right, exactly exactly, and
uh except no one's singing the theme song

612
00:43:22.519 --> 00:43:30.239
and uh, I oh god,
I I just said, you know,

613
00:43:30.480 --> 00:43:32.960
well I got to ask him questions. I guess I guess it's going to

614
00:43:34.039 --> 00:43:37.159
be a Q and a session because
we had the the mics and the PA

615
00:43:37.239 --> 00:43:39.199
set up because he's supposed to be
a roast, right, and it was

616
00:43:39.360 --> 00:43:43.519
we all got up there and ripped
into you. Yeah, Brgil, you

617
00:43:43.519 --> 00:43:45.639
know I told him it was a
roast, but he just showed up just

618
00:43:45.639 --> 00:43:49.800
like where's my money? You know, basically exactly, he's not there to

619
00:43:49.840 --> 00:43:52.519
fucking you know, he's not there
to. He doesn't he doesn't know where

620
00:43:52.559 --> 00:43:55.159
he is. And I'll talk more
about this when we get some of the

621
00:43:55.199 --> 00:44:00.760
attendees on the line and tell my
side of of everything. But suffice to

622
00:44:00.800 --> 00:44:02.199
say it was quite an adventure for
me because, as we're about to talk

623
00:44:02.239 --> 00:44:08.000
about with with JP's dad, it
was it wasn't entirely clear back then how

624
00:44:08.000 --> 00:44:15.320
to reach Virgil at all. Like
I said, he's not lonely Virgil yet

625
00:44:15.840 --> 00:44:17.679
he doesn't have a Twitter account yet, right, he probably didn't have a

626
00:44:17.719 --> 00:44:22.599
Facebook. I'm almost certainly he didn't
because I would have used that as a

627
00:44:22.719 --> 00:44:24.840
means of communication if I had it. Yep. So I had to get

628
00:44:24.920 --> 00:44:30.480
kind of creative because because what stuck
with me was just how you got to

629
00:44:30.519 --> 00:44:34.599
do something that is like a no, you didn't. Right, you got

630
00:44:34.599 --> 00:44:37.360
to try to do that in life, of course, no matter what it

631
00:44:37.440 --> 00:44:39.360
is, of course, and has
discussed for us. Virgil showing up at

632
00:44:39.400 --> 00:44:44.000
something like this is that you didn't. I was locked on you. I

633
00:44:44.039 --> 00:44:47.480
was locked on your eyes. When
I hit Teddy b Yassi's theme song on

634
00:44:47.519 --> 00:44:51.800
my cell phone over the loudspeaker,
I will say, I'm still at disappointed

635
00:44:51.800 --> 00:44:53.679
at that. Yeah, that didn't
do the Virgil entrance. I would have,

636
00:44:55.920 --> 00:44:58.760
well, look, if it's a
Virgil tribute show, can we do

637
00:44:58.800 --> 00:45:04.239
the theme song a little bit?
Did? Did do you need B D

638
00:45:04.360 --> 00:45:12.239
B D? You pick it up? Let's go No manifang tang hang,

639
00:45:12.719 --> 00:45:21.159
but I get no, no,
na, I mean my name? Come

640
00:45:21.159 --> 00:45:29.519
on, boss? We lost Virgil. Puddy cho putting up Cuba Gooding?

641
00:45:29.679 --> 00:45:40.199
What Cuba Gooding, Chocolate Pudding?
Cuba Gooding and Chocolate Pudding coming soon to

642
00:45:40.280 --> 00:45:51.960
o w N. The Virgil story
coming soon to o w N one Warrior

643
00:45:52.400 --> 00:46:04.320
Nation. Cuba Gooding Junior is Virgil? Virgil is Cuba good They asked him

644
00:46:04.320 --> 00:46:07.199
on the Fightful interview that Sean Rossapp
did with him, which, by the

645
00:46:07.239 --> 00:46:13.719
way, Sean Rossapp swears that Virgil's
like handlers were actually in his ear telling

646
00:46:13.800 --> 00:46:16.400
him what to say, like funny
answers all the questions because he has totally

647
00:46:16.440 --> 00:46:21.760
a natural series of pauses. But
he also had dementia, so it's hard

648
00:46:22.199 --> 00:46:24.559
to tell where one ends and the
other begins, even harder than with the

649
00:46:24.639 --> 00:46:29.280
usual pro wrestler. And he says, you know who should play you in

650
00:46:29.280 --> 00:46:32.679
a movie? And he said Ryan
Reynolds. Duh, I would agree with

651
00:46:32.719 --> 00:46:36.639
that. I spent a lot of
time thinking of But you mentioned Cuba Goodding,

652
00:46:36.679 --> 00:46:38.400
and yeah, he'd be good.
But I think Ryan Reynolds should play

653
00:46:38.480 --> 00:46:43.599
Virgil. I think Ryan Reynolds would
be fantastic. Why do you think so?

654
00:46:45.320 --> 00:46:50.079
Because I feel like I feel like
the kind of the kind of person

655
00:46:50.119 --> 00:46:53.519
you need to play Virgil is someone
who you can pretty much presume has no

656
00:46:53.679 --> 00:47:00.079
fucking idea who it is, and
that which is ninety nine eight percent of

657
00:47:00.119 --> 00:47:07.440
the population, Oh my god,
fucking money. So so I'm like,

658
00:47:07.440 --> 00:47:12.239
how do I get in touch with
this guy? And Okay, I know

659
00:47:12.280 --> 00:47:15.320
that he's on the comic circuit.
I know he's on the comic con circuit.

660
00:47:15.400 --> 00:47:16.679
I've heard this. I think I
probably in fact, you know what

661
00:47:16.760 --> 00:47:21.079
I probably found some kind of schedule
of where he was going to be,

662
00:47:21.119 --> 00:47:24.679
and I saw he's a comic con
guy that was starting to happen in wrestling.

663
00:47:25.039 --> 00:47:30.639
Sure, sure, and and so
I thought, well, he's doing

664
00:47:31.159 --> 00:47:35.039
one of the wizard World, which
is a comic book company. Yes,

665
00:47:35.280 --> 00:47:39.119
yes, And at the time,
Wizard World actually owned a fight company called

666
00:47:39.119 --> 00:47:44.079
the International Fight League. Really yeah, that looked to compete with the UFC.

667
00:47:44.480 --> 00:47:49.119
You a disastrous since, so maybe
they went public. It was hilarious.

668
00:47:49.599 --> 00:47:52.840
So they were they were rocking and
rolling, they were up and running,

669
00:47:53.199 --> 00:47:57.360
and they had a relationship with of
course shirt Og where I was reporting

670
00:47:57.360 --> 00:48:00.000
on MMA at the time, so
I knew their press people, and I

671
00:48:00.000 --> 00:48:04.519
said, what are the chances that
the same guy who does PR for the

672
00:48:04.559 --> 00:48:08.199
fight side of the house also does
PR for the comic con side of the

673
00:48:08.199 --> 00:48:12.559
house. And of course he did. Wow. His name is Jerry,

674
00:48:13.119 --> 00:48:15.199
and I emailed him and I'm going
to share now with the Solar System for

675
00:48:15.199 --> 00:48:21.079
the first time the texts of these
emails because it's it's history in the making.

676
00:48:21.400 --> 00:48:24.119
Wow. Hey, Jerry, this
is dated August twenty first, twenty

677
00:48:24.159 --> 00:48:28.000
twelve, so time is of the
essence boss. Oh yes, this is

678
00:48:28.039 --> 00:48:30.159
my first outreach on it, because, as we'll talk about with your dad,

679
00:48:31.119 --> 00:48:35.119
it wasn't until we were kind of
walking around trying to figure out our

680
00:48:35.119 --> 00:48:37.840
tuxes and stuff. Holy shit,
that we were like, we got to

681
00:48:37.880 --> 00:48:39.880
do this if it's possible. Once
I realized that your dad was on board

682
00:48:39.880 --> 00:48:45.400
to cut whatever check it took,
having no clue what to expect, having

683
00:48:45.440 --> 00:48:50.159
done nothing remotely like this before.
Oh, it's like the last thing I

684
00:48:50.199 --> 00:48:52.559
want to do is get a yes
and then not be able to afford it.

685
00:48:52.639 --> 00:48:53.400
And it's more it's Virgil, you
know, and I don't know.

686
00:48:54.159 --> 00:48:58.639
I don't understand that wrestlers will basically
let you take a shit in their mouth

687
00:48:58.679 --> 00:49:01.280
for twenty five dollars. I know
that at the time. So I write

688
00:49:01.320 --> 00:49:04.880
to Jerry, I say, hey, this is Jack. If you remember

689
00:49:04.880 --> 00:49:07.920
working with me in the IFL days, I hope you're well. I'm looking

690
00:49:07.960 --> 00:49:15.000
for help in contacting the wrestler Mike
Virgil Jones, who was either booked for

691
00:49:15.079 --> 00:49:17.239
the next comic con or was it
a recent one. And I showed a

692
00:49:17.280 --> 00:49:21.679
link because they had that. It's
what it was. Wizardworld dot Com had

693
00:49:21.719 --> 00:49:24.360
a Virgil page. Oh my god, let me see if it's still alive

694
00:49:24.440 --> 00:49:30.320
link Oh probably because yeah, no, it doesn't work anymore, heedless to

695
00:49:30.360 --> 00:49:37.599
say, Ah, I'm desperately I
wrote trying to reach him to book him

696
00:49:37.599 --> 00:49:47.480
for a personal appearance. You're probably
the only person who's been desperately looking for

697
00:49:47.599 --> 00:49:52.920
fucking Virgil. I'm doing a roast
for my best friend who's about to get

698
00:49:52.920 --> 00:50:04.719
married, and he was a huge
Virgil fan as a kid. Tell me

699
00:50:04.760 --> 00:50:08.079
why it's funny. I know it's
funny, but tell the people because this

700
00:50:08.199 --> 00:50:13.199
is the same I mean, just
the thought of of somebody like you're saying

701
00:50:13.239 --> 00:50:17.400
that Virgil was their favorite wrestler.
Ever, it's the same exact train of

702
00:50:17.400 --> 00:50:22.519
thought of like every cameo we get, you know, exactly, it's exactly

703
00:50:22.920 --> 00:50:24.360
I say, you're a big fan
to get anywhere with these people are saying

704
00:50:24.360 --> 00:50:28.599
that I'm a big fan of all
these E c W clowns I've never heard

705
00:50:28.639 --> 00:50:30.280
of, right, Yeah, Because
if you say it's like a business thing

706
00:50:30.280 --> 00:50:32.679
and not a fan thing, that
all of a sudden they two x the

707
00:50:32.679 --> 00:50:36.440
price exactly exactly, and then like, well, wait a minute, what

708
00:50:36.480 --> 00:50:40.840
is this for? Exactly it's for
your mom? Yeah, I write,

709
00:50:40.920 --> 00:50:44.280
I wrote to have him show up
at the event. You do, I'm

710
00:50:44.280 --> 00:50:47.119
gonna have I'm gonna have a cameo
done for my mom. That's what I'm

711
00:50:47.119 --> 00:50:50.880
gonna do. I'm gonna well,
I'm gonna have like I'm gonna do one

712
00:50:50.880 --> 00:50:52.719
for the show. Mom won't get
it, but I'm gonna do one for

713
00:50:52.760 --> 00:50:57.119
the show. Asking about a you
know, asking a question, say,

714
00:50:57.239 --> 00:51:00.920
and it's for it's for my mom. I'm gonna say. That sounds good,

715
00:51:01.639 --> 00:51:06.559
sounds like wrestle Mommy's energies to me
exactly, I wrote. To have

716
00:51:06.679 --> 00:51:10.639
him show up at the event would
be an unforgettable moment. Any help you

717
00:51:10.639 --> 00:51:14.719
could provide would be immensely appreciated.
If you don't feel comfortable, give me

718
00:51:14.719 --> 00:51:17.880
his number of contact info. Please
pass along my number to him. Oh

719
00:51:17.960 --> 00:51:22.079
my god, Jerry writes back pretty
quickly. Right, let's see yeah,

720
00:51:22.119 --> 00:51:29.599
within ten minutes. Thanks Jack.
I'll email Ted DBAs Oh my god,

721
00:51:29.760 --> 00:51:34.199
and let you know what he says. Oh my god, I wrote,

722
00:51:34.199 --> 00:51:37.599
Pat, I did not expect this
all of a sudden. Ted Dibiasse's involved,

723
00:51:37.599 --> 00:51:40.760
like that was a k fabe thing. Jerry like he's not actually his

724
00:51:40.840 --> 00:51:46.320
servant. Well, well, you
never know. This is before they had

725
00:51:46.360 --> 00:51:50.920
their falling out in and around conventions, and they were trying to book each

726
00:51:50.920 --> 00:51:52.440
other, or at least I got
the distinct impression that Teddobyassi saw it is

727
00:51:52.519 --> 00:51:57.119
kind of like looking after Mike to
to bring a you know, opportunities to

728
00:51:57.159 --> 00:51:59.960
his attention to Tidbyassi has since said
on podcasts and the like that there were

729
00:52:00.119 --> 00:52:01.519
a point in time where, you
know, he would try to appear with

730
00:52:01.599 --> 00:52:05.679
Virgil whenever possible, Like he told
Virgil, if you're at the same convention

731
00:52:05.719 --> 00:52:07.119
as I am, let's sit together
so we can offer the package deal.

732
00:52:07.679 --> 00:52:10.920
That's probably where Virgil got the Virgil
and Teddy b a C banner that he

733
00:52:10.960 --> 00:52:16.079
would bring even enough, Ted wasn't
there, So thanks Jerry. The event

734
00:52:16.119 --> 00:52:21.280
is October fourth, fingers very much
crossed, and then he writes back messages

735
00:52:21.320 --> 00:52:25.320
into Ted we'll let you know asap. Oh, this was eleven fifty four

736
00:52:25.320 --> 00:52:29.320
in the morning on August twenty first. At eight fifteen am in August twenty

737
00:52:29.360 --> 00:52:36.719
second, I get this email from
Jerry. Virgil is very interested in the

738
00:52:36.760 --> 00:52:49.480
appearance. You bet your ass he
is thinking back on it. Of course

739
00:52:49.519 --> 00:52:54.119
he was his first Payday's hadn't fucking
mons probably can't thank you enough. Take

740
00:52:54.159 --> 00:52:59.239
care and then it all, it
all took, it took shape. From

741
00:52:59.280 --> 00:53:02.199
there, I got his email.
I sent him my phone number. Oh

742
00:53:02.280 --> 00:53:07.199
my god, called me, Oh
my god, Mike Jones from the fucking

743
00:53:07.679 --> 00:53:10.639
Did he say Mike Jones or did
he say Virgil? He said both.

744
00:53:10.639 --> 00:53:15.840
I'll read it to you. Wow. When he called you, I think

745
00:53:15.840 --> 00:53:19.639
he said it's Virgil. Almost positive
he said it's Virgil. But I had

746
00:53:19.679 --> 00:53:22.840
addressed him as Mike already, so
he knew. I knew his name was

747
00:53:22.880 --> 00:53:24.440
Mike. Okay, kind of thing. So it's it's hard to say,

748
00:53:24.679 --> 00:53:30.039
but I know, right, just
flush it right down the toilet. Why

749
00:53:30.039 --> 00:53:35.519
don't you so? Now I have
his email. Oh my god. August

750
00:53:35.559 --> 00:53:39.159
twenty second, twenty twelve, five
oh one pm. I'm mister Jones.

751
00:53:40.280 --> 00:53:45.320
This is Jack. I got your
contact info through Jerry at Comic Con.

752
00:53:45.559 --> 00:53:47.039
He told me you're interested in taking
an event booking I have in mind.

753
00:53:47.639 --> 00:53:57.920
We're roasting my best friend October fourth, Oh my god, and it would

754
00:53:57.920 --> 00:54:00.039
be a huge thrill for him if
you made a surprise appearance. We're all

755
00:54:00.039 --> 00:54:04.480
fans of yours. I'm not sure
what this would take. Please give me

756
00:54:04.519 --> 00:54:08.320
a call at your earliest convenience to
discuss. He said, we're all fans

757
00:54:08.320 --> 00:54:15.239
of yours. Not sure why almost
said it. Please give me a call

758
00:54:15.280 --> 00:54:20.079
at your earliest convenience to discuss.
I left you a voicemail earlier today as

759
00:54:20.119 --> 00:54:24.000
well. Thank you. Mike Jones
replies eight thirty three am, Friday,

760
00:54:24.000 --> 00:54:30.480
August twenty fourth, Hi Jack,
this is Virgil. Oh wait a minute,

761
00:54:30.920 --> 00:54:36.000
so we had spoken by now he'd
spoken on the phone. He called

762
00:54:36.039 --> 00:54:37.280
me and he talked to me for
I swear to God an hour and a

763
00:54:37.280 --> 00:54:40.440
half. Oh wait, I love
that. In the email he said,

764
00:54:40.840 --> 00:54:45.400
Hi Jack, this is Virgil.
He does this is Mike Jones and his

765
00:54:45.440 --> 00:54:50.840
email okay, I guess, but
like, okay, his emails had Virgil,

766
00:54:50.920 --> 00:54:58.639
Vincent and Jones all in the name
God. He called me and he

767
00:54:58.719 --> 00:55:00.719
talked to me for like I said, at an hour and a half.

768
00:55:00.760 --> 00:55:01.599
I was like, I gotta take
this call. And I was, you

769
00:55:01.639 --> 00:55:04.840
know one of those things like when
you're done after, I gotta go take

770
00:55:04.840 --> 00:55:07.079
this call, and like your arm
hurts, yes, oh God, yes,

771
00:55:07.320 --> 00:55:09.840
and you're kind of winded because you've
been a pacing the whole time talking

772
00:55:09.840 --> 00:55:14.639
to the person. Yep, and
he's just The only thing I remember about

773
00:55:14.639 --> 00:55:20.000
the conversation was he kept hammering home
this idea that there were gonna be strippers

774
00:55:20.000 --> 00:55:22.559
at this thing. We're gonna have
so much fun. Man, We're gonna

775
00:55:22.559 --> 00:55:24.400
get him fucked up. We're gonna
get him, We're gonna get the woman

776
00:55:24.440 --> 00:55:28.719
in his face or whatever he was
saying. And I was like, dude,

777
00:55:28.840 --> 00:55:31.880
like god, no, like,
you have no idea, how not

778
00:55:32.239 --> 00:55:39.519
that this is going to be.
He just wants some titties. That's what

779
00:55:39.559 --> 00:55:46.280
it was. Virgil wants some titties. Virgil wants wants a stripper fucking smothering

780
00:55:46.360 --> 00:55:51.000
that cock. And he he wasn't
shy about that. He was telling me

781
00:55:51.079 --> 00:55:52.599
about how, oh man, I
love Boston. Man, I got bitches

782
00:55:52.639 --> 00:55:57.000
there. Oh my god. I
remember he said he's got this Cape Verdian

783
00:55:57.079 --> 00:56:00.760
girl in Boston that he always hits
up when he comes through these are as

784
00:56:00.800 --> 00:56:02.480
far as I can tell. And
Bless the man. Prostitutes is what he's

785
00:56:02.480 --> 00:56:07.000
talking about, essentially, because he
needs the money to get the girls.

786
00:56:07.280 --> 00:56:12.119
Okay, Oh Jesus, it's very
apparent to me that one had to come

787
00:56:12.159 --> 00:56:15.039
before the other based on future demands
that he would make. Not demands,

788
00:56:15.079 --> 00:56:17.639
but you know, gentle nudges that
he would make. And so I'm talking

789
00:56:17.639 --> 00:56:20.840
to this guy and I'm like,
yeah, man, crazy like trying to

790
00:56:20.880 --> 00:56:24.280
like trying to keep him gassed up
about doing it, you know, instead

791
00:56:24.280 --> 00:56:27.480
of like, it's just going to
be a bunch of guy smoking cigars,

792
00:56:27.519 --> 00:56:30.559
looking at you and laughing at you. So please still show up because I

793
00:56:30.559 --> 00:56:35.280
don't know. Again, I'm naive
to how people didn't no Lonely Virgil.

794
00:56:35.360 --> 00:56:37.480
Yet I can't emphasize that enough.
No, people didn't know that he would

795
00:56:37.519 --> 00:56:40.440
do anything for ten dollars. No
one knew this, right at least I

796
00:56:40.440 --> 00:56:45.400
didn't, And I followed wrestling extremely
closely, and something like that would definitely

797
00:56:45.440 --> 00:56:49.119
have caught my attention if it was
well known. So anyway, we're going,

798
00:56:49.119 --> 00:56:51.320
we're going, we're going, and
I'm trying to keep him on the

799
00:56:51.320 --> 00:56:54.599
hook, and we're talking price,
and we'll talk price with your dad here

800
00:56:54.639 --> 00:56:59.360
in just a moment. But he
says, Jack after the phone conversation,

801
00:57:00.119 --> 00:57:01.400
it in he loves the idea.
He loves of course he does. In

802
00:57:01.440 --> 00:57:05.119
my retrospect, of course he does. He's living in a fucking studio,

803
00:57:06.079 --> 00:57:08.079
you know, with like the TV
on top of his head basically because there's

804
00:57:08.119 --> 00:57:13.559
no square footage a hijack. This
is Virgil. Did you hear anything on

805
00:57:13.599 --> 00:57:17.880
the request for October fourth, twenty
twelve, Thank you, Virgil. Hijack

806
00:57:19.039 --> 00:57:22.760
is Virgil, and man only calling
you shortly and then attached just the contract.

807
00:57:22.000 --> 00:57:24.519
I asked him for his vitals so
we could book him a flight.

808
00:57:25.159 --> 00:57:28.440
So excited to have you coming out, I said, and he responded,

809
00:57:29.039 --> 00:57:32.360
including a date of birth. Okay, so all I can say is,

810
00:57:32.760 --> 00:57:37.079
here's the date of birth that Virgil
would have given you if you were booking

811
00:57:37.159 --> 00:57:40.719
him a flight in twenty twelve.
April seventh, nineteen sixty one. That's

812
00:57:40.760 --> 00:57:46.039
the cafe birthday that everybody apparently walked
back after he died. Thanks Virgil,

813
00:57:46.079 --> 00:57:50.960
Michael C. Jones perfect, Thanks
Jack. I'll mail the contract this morning,

814
00:57:51.039 --> 00:57:52.559
Sunday, August twenty six, twenty
twelve. You should have by Wednesday,

815
00:57:52.559 --> 00:57:54.840
August twenty eight, twenty twelve.
Thank you very much, Virgil.

816
00:57:55.519 --> 00:57:59.199
Great. As soon as I receive
it, I'll have the deposit sent along.

817
00:57:59.599 --> 00:58:01.639
Thank you, Jack. Thanks Virgil, Hi Jack, I got a

818
00:58:01.639 --> 00:58:05.880
delivery confirmation. I hope everything is
great and I am ready to do this

819
00:58:05.960 --> 00:58:13.400
affair. Thank you, Virgil,
still don't have it. When did your

820
00:58:13.400 --> 00:58:15.280
confirmation say it was delivered? Do
you have a tracking number, Jack?

821
00:58:15.320 --> 00:58:17.400
Do you have a fax number?
I can fax a copy to you.

822
00:58:17.440 --> 00:58:22.400
Thank you, Virgil, Jack.
That delivery confirmation was from my post office

823
00:58:22.400 --> 00:58:25.519
saying it takes four days from Coropolis, Pennsylvania to where you are. You

824
00:58:25.519 --> 00:58:28.360
can give me a fax number,
then you have both. Thank you,

825
00:58:28.440 --> 00:58:32.159
Virgil. I mean you know what, I'll put it in my inbox.

826
00:58:32.239 --> 00:58:35.880
I didn't put it in the out
box. I'm sorry. Great news.

827
00:58:35.920 --> 00:58:37.400
Contract came in the mail today.
I should have the Western Union to you

828
00:58:37.440 --> 00:58:40.519
by Monday. And what do I
have in my fucking hand? The contract

829
00:58:42.519 --> 00:58:45.199
signed by Virgil with the stamp he
put on it and his name. Come

830
00:58:45.239 --> 00:58:51.440
on, fuck fun you get it
fucking notarized. Got a note? Thank

831
00:58:51.480 --> 00:58:52.599
you Jack. The event will be
great. Thank you again, Virgil.

832
00:58:52.960 --> 00:58:55.800
Can't wait. Thanks Hi, Mike. A check will be sent overnight on

833
00:58:55.840 --> 00:58:59.599
Tuesday to you at your address.
We would have the checks in today,

834
00:58:59.599 --> 00:59:00.719
but it's ally. Let me know
when you've received it should be all set.

835
00:59:00.760 --> 00:59:04.159
Thanks again. We're all very excited
to have you. Thank you Jack.

836
00:59:04.159 --> 00:59:06.079
I will let you know as soon
as I get the check. Thank

837
00:59:06.079 --> 00:59:12.280
you Virgil, Jack, And okay, this September third, six pm.

838
00:59:12.440 --> 00:59:14.119
I'm going to send you the check. I will let you know when I

839
00:59:14.119 --> 00:59:16.920
get the check. September third,
six, thirteen pm. Thirteen minutes later,

840
00:59:17.079 --> 00:59:22.320
Jack, can you send a money
order please? Thirteen minutes after saying

841
00:59:22.360 --> 00:59:31.880
okay, fine. This is the
way this man's mind works. Did I

842
00:59:31.880 --> 00:59:35.360
ignore him? I must have ignored
him. Oh God, I must have

843
00:59:35.400 --> 00:59:37.559
ignored him, because then he sends
something. September fifth, Hi, Jack,

844
00:59:37.679 --> 00:59:40.079
was the money sent FedEx or express
mail over night? Thank you,

845
00:59:40.159 --> 00:59:45.000
Virgil. Hi Mike, I spoke
with John yesterday. He's prepared to write

846
00:59:45.000 --> 00:59:46.000
a personal check and send it,
but now has to go get a money

847
00:59:46.079 --> 00:59:49.960
order. Per your request, you
get a money order like this. By

848
00:59:49.960 --> 00:59:52.239
the way, he's real busy.
He might be a day or two.

849
00:59:52.440 --> 00:59:53.239
I've checked with her a day,
but I've heard back. I'll let you

850
00:59:53.239 --> 00:59:55.239
know as soon as I do.
I've booked your flight and we'll forward you

851
00:59:55.280 --> 01:00:00.960
the information right now. Thanks caller
emailed any questions. Can see a personal

852
01:00:00.039 --> 01:00:04.480
check if you want to see for
cent I guess. Thank you for the

853
01:00:04.480 --> 01:00:07.159
flight info. Thank you, Virgil. Jack. The flight is great and

854
01:00:07.239 --> 01:00:09.920
John can sent a check next day
mail. It will be great. Thank

855
01:00:09.960 --> 01:00:14.280
you, Michael Jones, Virgil.
Jack, when will he send it?

856
01:00:14.320 --> 01:00:17.440
The checker money order? Thank you, Virgil? I repeat, okay.

857
01:00:17.559 --> 01:00:23.360
September fifth, twenty twelve, one
thirty three pm. Yes, Jack,

858
01:00:23.360 --> 01:00:25.719
the flight is great. John can
send a check next day mail. It

859
01:00:25.760 --> 01:00:29.599
will be great. Thank you.
That's one thirty three pm. That same

860
01:00:29.679 --> 01:00:30.920
day, six to eleven pm,
Jack, When will he send the checker

861
01:00:31.000 --> 01:00:35.519
money order? Jack? Jack?
I didn't get the check yet. They

862
01:00:35.599 --> 01:00:39.079
call him Mike Jones because he's Jones
and Jack. I didn't get the check

863
01:00:39.119 --> 01:00:43.239
yet. Did he fend it?
It's the same day, verge, Yeah,

864
01:00:43.239 --> 01:00:45.960
fame me delivery right exactly? Did
he send again? I wrote back

865
01:00:45.960 --> 01:00:46.719
in the next day or two.
I'll let you know for sure as soon

866
01:00:46.719 --> 01:00:50.840
as I can. Getting very nervous
at this point, very nervous, or

867
01:00:50.880 --> 01:00:53.320
he's just gonna assume he's not gonna
get the money and say no, okay,

868
01:00:53.320 --> 01:00:57.440
thank you, Jack, Thank you, Virgil. Hi, Mike Jack

869
01:00:57.480 --> 01:01:00.800
here from Boston. Again, thank
you, Virgil. I would like to

870
01:01:00.880 --> 01:01:02.559
chat with you on the phone prior
October fourth to go over some details.

871
01:01:02.760 --> 01:01:07.280
Please give me a call Jack.
I will call this morning September twenty eight,

872
01:01:07.360 --> 01:01:10.719
twenty twelve, and that is where
the email chain ends. Oh my

873
01:01:10.840 --> 01:01:19.000
god, should we call your dad? Yeah? That is I don't know

874
01:01:19.039 --> 01:01:22.559
if you. I don't remember you
reading that stuff when we first told.

875
01:01:23.760 --> 01:01:28.840
You've probably never heard it. I
don't think so that's unbelievable. I'm nervous

876
01:01:28.840 --> 01:01:35.679
for you. Yeah. Oh god, he's busy. What hello? John?

877
01:01:36.159 --> 01:01:42.840
Probably King and Queens now there No, that's on until eleven, so

878
01:01:42.920 --> 01:01:45.639
our time is short here. Well, thank you for doing this, John,

879
01:01:45.639 --> 01:01:50.920
Thanks for jumping on the lapsed fan
It's appropriate. Anybody who joined us

880
01:01:50.920 --> 01:01:53.159
at our fan get together at the
TD Garden in Boston for Survivor series got

881
01:01:53.159 --> 01:01:57.599
to meet you and it was wonderful. You won high marks from all of

882
01:01:57.639 --> 01:02:00.760
our listeners that attended, and so
I'm sure many are thrilled to hear your

883
01:02:00.800 --> 01:02:07.039
voice again to talk about I'm sure
one of your proudest moments coming out of

884
01:02:07.199 --> 01:02:10.679
pocket for your manchild's son to have
a wrestler come to his bachelor party.

885
01:02:10.719 --> 01:02:15.599
Thoughts, Well you are you and
I spoke and thought, let's see what

886
01:02:15.639 --> 01:02:22.000
could we do for JP's bachelor party
that he would really appreciate? He said,

887
01:02:22.639 --> 01:02:30.159
Strippers wrestling strippers wrestling wrestling, no
question. Well, especially if I'd

888
01:02:30.159 --> 01:02:34.639
known you had the choice, I'd
have been pissed and we could have had

889
01:02:34.639 --> 01:02:37.800
both. Actually, we could have
had he could have stripped. That would

890
01:02:37.800 --> 01:02:42.400
have been okay. Virgil seems to
think that that was the plan. Anyway.

891
01:02:42.480 --> 01:02:45.559
Apparently according to Well, I was
talking to I probably told you this

892
01:02:45.639 --> 01:02:47.239
John back in the day. But
I mean the first time I talked him

893
01:02:47.280 --> 01:02:50.480
on the phone for like an hour
and a half explaining what we wanted because

894
01:02:50.480 --> 01:02:52.840
it supposed to be like a roast, But I was explaining, how'd just

895
01:02:52.880 --> 01:02:55.119
be hilarious if he just showed up
and he can't stop telling me, Oh,

896
01:02:55.119 --> 01:02:58.079
it's going to be so much fun. There's gonna be bitches all over

897
01:02:58.119 --> 01:03:00.599
the place. We're gonna get him
naked, drunk. I'm like, I

898
01:03:00.599 --> 01:03:04.760
had don't have the heart to tell
this guy like there are there is There

899
01:03:04.760 --> 01:03:08.960
are no bitches at this thing unless
you count us, right, yeah,

900
01:03:09.039 --> 01:03:14.679
right, exactly exactly. So,
if I remember correctly, John, we

901
01:03:14.679 --> 01:03:16.880
were stomping around Lowell right, trying
to get our tuxes in range. Yes,

902
01:03:17.159 --> 01:03:21.199
and we were brain rights because we
both had the same appointment time,

903
01:03:21.599 --> 01:03:23.800
so we had some quality time together. We're walking the streets and we're like,

904
01:03:23.800 --> 01:03:27.320
what can we do? And I
said, you know, we always

905
01:03:27.360 --> 01:03:29.679
just have a joke about what if
we hired Virgil to show up at a

906
01:03:29.679 --> 01:03:32.920
party back in the college days.
And I had no idea if it was

907
01:03:34.039 --> 01:03:36.559
at all possible. But one thing
I didn't want to do is go down

908
01:03:36.559 --> 01:03:39.119
that road and then find out that
he wanted more than I could afford.

909
01:03:40.119 --> 01:03:45.159
So I approached the delicate question of
you know, do I have your blessing

910
01:03:45.239 --> 01:03:47.960
John to pursue this? And what
was your thought? Of course, of

911
01:03:49.000 --> 01:03:54.880
course for the boy, of course, whatever it took. Did you is

912
01:03:55.360 --> 01:03:59.719
his memory correct? Did you bring
a ring and some toys to the bachelor

913
01:03:59.800 --> 01:04:04.440
party? Yes, yes, that's
right I brought. I brought the ring,

914
01:04:04.719 --> 01:04:10.199
and I brought his his wrestling figures, which, by the way,

915
01:04:10.599 --> 01:04:15.360
he would get a bowel. You
know, he cut off, he takes

916
01:04:15.360 --> 01:04:18.440
off the arms and legs, and
reattached different arms and legs to his to

917
01:04:18.559 --> 01:04:24.760
his wrestling his wrestling figures. Yep, but I brought those, we did?

918
01:04:24.960 --> 01:04:28.920
I forgot? I brought a box. You're right, we can right

919
01:04:29.000 --> 01:04:34.320
back up. Thanks, he was
he was honored. Okay, he was

920
01:04:34.320 --> 01:04:39.000
honored. Yeah, So we get
to talking and we had to this plan

921
01:04:39.280 --> 01:04:42.000
and I find a way to get
in touch with this guy and he names

922
01:04:42.000 --> 01:04:44.559
his price, and I ask you, John, do you remember the price?

923
01:04:45.880 --> 01:04:47.840
I think it was like two grand, just about two, yes,

924
01:04:48.039 --> 01:04:55.239
twelve twelve fifty to twelve fifty up
front, twelve fifty to show, okay,

925
01:04:55.559 --> 01:04:59.000
And I don't know if And he
thought we had one thousand and two.

926
01:04:59.079 --> 01:05:00.920
We had to feed him and he
had to eat. Oh, he

927
01:05:00.960 --> 01:05:04.039
had to eat, as did We
put him up, We flew him out,

928
01:05:04.159 --> 01:05:12.840
We put up with him as well, and uh, and he just

929
01:05:12.920 --> 01:05:16.000
he wanted He thought we had one
two and fifty dollars in a briefcase.

930
01:05:16.559 --> 01:05:20.199
And he was like he was so
distressed to get a personal check at the

931
01:05:20.320 --> 01:05:25.039
end of that bachelor party, so
distressed. Really, I didn't know that

932
01:05:25.599 --> 01:05:28.320
walking around Really, do you remember
JP, how many times he would ask

933
01:05:28.400 --> 01:05:30.000
us, is there a bank open? Like he needed to make this liquid

934
01:05:30.000 --> 01:05:34.400
as soon as possible. All all
I remember, honestly that he kept asking

935
01:05:34.400 --> 01:05:38.840
for was the food, like that
he was just starving, as if he

936
01:05:38.880 --> 01:05:41.719
hadn't eaten in Mike, Yes,
two weeks. I probably told him there

937
01:05:41.760 --> 01:05:44.079
would be food, thinking there was
because it was like a you know,

938
01:05:44.280 --> 01:05:48.159
a thing like a cigar bar,
kind of like a party, and so

939
01:05:48.199 --> 01:05:53.480
we had to take him out for
pasta afterwards. And that's as we were

940
01:05:53.559 --> 01:05:57.320
talking. Really, it was me, JP, Tim and Eric. You

941
01:05:57.360 --> 01:06:00.119
said, right pass yeah, yeah, yeah, and not everybody went we

942
01:06:00.159 --> 01:06:02.079
just don't you were there. I
don't think you were there, Dad,

943
01:06:03.079 --> 01:06:05.880
No, I think I had.
I think I was done. Yeah,

944
01:06:05.880 --> 01:06:11.199
I don't blame I need your perspective. I need your perspective because everybody we

945
01:06:11.239 --> 01:06:14.559
can talk about on this night,
you know, wrestling fans or close to

946
01:06:14.559 --> 01:06:16.360
wrestling fans, so they're you know, Virgil means something to them. But

947
01:06:16.400 --> 01:06:19.280
for you and your friends, this
guy is a complete nobody, Like who

948
01:06:19.320 --> 01:06:21.920
is this guy? What did you
think when he walked in the bar?

949
01:06:23.000 --> 01:06:27.880
What are your memories? Oh god, you know it's twenty twelve. I

950
01:06:27.920 --> 01:06:32.519
have to think that's well. I
never had I never met him. I

951
01:06:32.519 --> 01:06:35.360
didn't even see him because in those
days, I don't think I don't think

952
01:06:35.400 --> 01:06:39.920
we've had pictures of him, And
so I was depending on what that you

953
01:06:40.400 --> 01:06:44.840
would recognize him when he walked in. But I was just I mean,

954
01:06:45.079 --> 01:06:48.719
my attention was fully on JP's reaction
when he walked in, because that was

955
01:06:49.000 --> 01:06:51.719
JP. It was a total surprise, or you had no idea fleet surprise.

956
01:06:51.760 --> 01:06:56.920
I had no clue at all,
not even and I was I was

957
01:06:56.960 --> 01:07:02.360
so excited more than the wedding.
I was so howbout that night because I

958
01:07:02.440 --> 01:07:08.920
knew how I knew he COVID stories
about about talking about him in uh,

959
01:07:09.000 --> 01:07:13.280
you know, in college, and
so I was so excited about him coming

960
01:07:13.559 --> 01:07:19.360
that that was the highlight of the
weekend. Practically, Virgil walking into that

961
01:07:19.480 --> 01:07:25.000
room was the highlight of the weekend. Do you remember him just sitting there

962
01:07:25.000 --> 01:07:28.679
at a stool awkwardly with a microphone
where we just suddenly decided to turn it

963
01:07:28.719 --> 01:07:31.480
into an interview because he wasn't about
to roast JP. He didn't know him.

964
01:07:31.679 --> 01:07:34.920
Yeah, that's right, and I
just I'm sure no one prepared anything,

965
01:07:34.960 --> 01:07:39.639
but even you know, no,
of course I wouldn't expect you to.

966
01:07:40.079 --> 01:07:42.679
It would have been for nought anyway, John, I'm gonna read the

967
01:07:42.719 --> 01:07:44.920
agreement. Okay, this is what
he sent me back in the mail.

968
01:07:46.960 --> 01:07:51.320
This agreement is entered into this I
wrote this sough. This agreement is entered

969
01:07:51.320 --> 01:07:56.519
into this twenty fourth day of August
twenty twelve, by and between Michael Jones

970
01:07:56.599 --> 01:08:04.599
and John Sorrow. Michael Jones agrees
to provide a personal appearance and performance upon

971
01:08:04.599 --> 01:08:09.679
the following terms. Place of appearance
Boston, Mass Specific information to be determined

972
01:08:09.679 --> 01:08:13.320
prior to October fourth. Date of
appearance Thursday, October fourth to Friday,

973
01:08:13.360 --> 01:08:16.479
October fifth. Time of appearance four
pm until two am. An appearance fee

974
01:08:16.479 --> 01:08:20.199
of two thousand, five hundred dollars
as follows. Upon execution of this agreement,

975
01:08:20.239 --> 01:08:25.680
John Sorrow shall pay to Michael Jones
a deposit. It's too much.

976
01:08:26.039 --> 01:08:28.920
It's too much that we got your
dad to pay Virgil. It's just like,

977
01:08:29.840 --> 01:08:33.960
how does that happen? Oh my
god, there's a contract we actually

978
01:08:34.039 --> 01:08:38.479
signed. Yeah, I made him
sign it because he's a he's a carneie.

979
01:08:38.520 --> 01:08:42.680
You never know, right, he's
a goof. He's gonna fucking say,

980
01:08:42.680 --> 01:08:45.439
hey, hey, let him rest
in peace. Come on exactly,

981
01:08:45.560 --> 01:08:48.560
just some respect. Respect. You're
presuming he's actually dead. I don't know

982
01:08:48.600 --> 01:08:51.960
if I believe it yet. Shall
pay to Michael Jones a deposit of twelve

983
01:08:53.000 --> 01:08:55.800
hundred and fifty dollars. Following the
appearance, John Sorrow shall pay to Michael

984
01:08:55.880 --> 01:08:59.239
Jones the balance of twelve hundred and
fifty dollars agreed to by Michael Jones,

985
01:08:59.279 --> 01:09:01.239
August twenty six, twenty twelve.
John, I want you to know that

986
01:09:01.399 --> 01:09:05.720
shortly after the bachelor party, my
brother actually went to a wrestling autograph convention

987
01:09:06.720 --> 01:09:12.319
and having heard about this that we
did this, and he was talking to

988
01:09:12.319 --> 01:09:16.079
a wrestler named Raven, and he
was telling him, yeah, oh yeah,

989
01:09:16.119 --> 01:09:20.079
my brother just hired Virgil for a
bachelor party. How much you pay

990
01:09:20.119 --> 01:09:24.319
him? And when he told Raven
how much we paid Virgil, he said

991
01:09:24.359 --> 01:09:31.159
I would have done it for fifty
dollars. So Virgil fucked us again.

992
01:09:32.640 --> 01:09:34.880
Well, I like to think we
kept him alive an extra year, you

993
01:09:34.920 --> 01:09:40.319
know exactly. There's no telling well
worth it was well worth it. Can

994
01:09:40.359 --> 01:09:44.760
you imagine it was so well worth
it if it had been Raven, you

995
01:09:44.800 --> 01:09:45.720
think can you imagine the misery I
would have been? Yeah, it's not

996
01:09:45.800 --> 01:09:48.319
your favorite, is it at all? What do you remember about the look

997
01:09:48.359 --> 01:09:51.840
on his face, John, when
you say that, KP. It was

998
01:09:51.920 --> 01:09:57.000
just total shock. It was total
shock. I think his mouth was a

999
01:09:57.079 --> 01:10:00.239
gain. It was it was it
was the best, It was the best.

1000
01:10:00.319 --> 01:10:03.199
It was the best. Surprise ever, did you notice the fear we

1001
01:10:03.239 --> 01:10:06.600
couldn't have done anything better than that? It was great? Did you notice

1002
01:10:06.600 --> 01:10:11.399
the fear the holster showed up?
That would that would have been amazing.

1003
01:10:11.479 --> 01:10:14.680
We'd still be paying for it,
exactly. It would have been sued the

1004
01:10:14.720 --> 01:10:18.079
whole thing exactly. You said there
was going to be pasta there, brother,

1005
01:10:19.640 --> 01:10:23.239
Possumania was going to be there.
Dude, am the fact that you

1006
01:10:23.239 --> 01:10:30.760
know what? My back still hurts
brother from this engagement. Dude, what

1007
01:10:30.760 --> 01:10:32.159
what you know? People haven't had
the chance to hear from you, John

1008
01:10:32.159 --> 01:10:35.640
over the years on lapsed fan What
of JP's and I guess mine, but

1009
01:10:35.680 --> 01:10:39.399
really JP's lifelong wrestling fandom. What
have you made of it? You're not

1010
01:10:39.439 --> 01:10:46.840
a fan yourself, I'm not,
but I put up with it and I've

1011
01:10:48.039 --> 01:10:55.279
I've nurtured it. We have about
five million dollars worth of equipment here of

1012
01:10:55.760 --> 01:10:59.319
toys, uh that I'm trying to
get him to take take with him.

1013
01:10:59.720 --> 01:11:04.520
He's taking most of them. And
actually in our the lower level of our

1014
01:11:04.560 --> 01:11:10.880
house became became a wrestling rink or
wrestling space, and all the guys in

1015
01:11:10.880 --> 01:11:14.159
the neighborhood who have to be around
JP's age, he would have these wrestling

1016
01:11:14.199 --> 01:11:20.159
matches downstairs, and everybody would leave
wounded injured when they left the house after

1017
01:11:20.560 --> 01:11:26.560
after playing. His parents were complaining
it was it was rough. It was

1018
01:11:26.560 --> 01:11:30.560
a rough time in the neighborhood.
But now it was We had fun with

1019
01:11:30.640 --> 01:11:36.159
all that stuff, and I was
very happy to support his favorite. Who's

1020
01:11:36.159 --> 01:11:40.760
your favorite? Do you remember your
favorite? My favorite? What wrestler?

1021
01:11:43.079 --> 01:11:45.159
You mean professional wrestler? Yeah,
do you remember who your favorite was?

1022
01:11:45.600 --> 01:11:48.239
Oh? Oh, wait a minute, Oh come on. I used to

1023
01:11:48.239 --> 01:11:56.439
call him by his formal name.
JP helped me out, Sydney, Sydney,

1024
01:11:57.279 --> 01:12:01.439
Sydney. What's his name, Sydney
Justice. Oh yeah, Justice,

1025
01:12:04.279 --> 01:12:09.720
Sydney Justice. Oh. And of
course it was a lovely miss uh what

1026
01:12:09.760 --> 01:12:17.479
was her name, Miss Francis.
What's her name? What's her name?

1027
01:12:17.560 --> 01:12:26.159
Miss uh Elizabeth? Elizabeth, Miss
Elizabeth, miss Francis. Instead, that's

1028
01:12:26.239 --> 01:12:29.600
much better. Yeah. Oh,
actually Miss Francis was on Ding Gung school.

1029
01:12:29.640 --> 01:12:31.920
I forgot that was when I was
a kid. I was gonna say,

1030
01:12:32.199 --> 01:12:36.239
he turned up Miss Elizabeth, the
beauty queen of the w WF.

1031
01:12:36.359 --> 01:12:40.760
You call her miss Francis, and
she just sounds like some ham and Egger

1032
01:12:40.880 --> 01:12:46.279
history teacher. You know, Miss
Francis weighed about three hundred pounds and she

1033
01:12:46.359 --> 01:12:49.439
had the puppets. Anyway, I
won't get into that. So she's like,

1034
01:12:49.520 --> 01:12:55.319
she's a Catholic school history teacher,
right, Miss Francis? No,

1035
01:12:56.039 --> 01:12:59.800
yeah, Miss Elizabeth, Yeah,
I went through all that torture with her.

1036
01:13:00.720 --> 01:13:02.840
That was rough. Her and Randy, Randy what's his name? Ran

1037
01:13:02.920 --> 01:13:08.199
Dandy? Randy is he Randy Savage? Yeah, Randy Savage, Randy Savage.

1038
01:13:08.560 --> 01:13:10.720
Yep, I remember them all.
Listen. I got to know them.

1039
01:13:10.720 --> 01:13:21.359
Well. Did you after the after
the the Bachelor party, did you

1040
01:13:21.479 --> 01:13:26.840
talk to Tom Fozzio about it?
Did you? Did you get his thoughts?

1041
01:13:26.960 --> 01:13:31.840
Do you remember he had no clue? This was totally insane. He

1042
01:13:31.880 --> 01:13:34.279
got He got a boot out of
it, though he thought it was funny

1043
01:13:34.279 --> 01:13:41.720
when I explained what all this was, he got a boot out of it.

1044
01:13:42.000 --> 01:13:44.880
He had no clue. Actually,
nobody had a clue except you and

1045
01:13:45.119 --> 01:13:48.399
Jack. Five people. There were
five people there, and only four of

1046
01:13:48.399 --> 01:13:51.439
them really knew who Virgin was.
I said, it's it's you. It

1047
01:13:51.479 --> 01:13:55.880
was you, it was Jack,
it was it was me. Bill and

1048
01:13:56.000 --> 01:13:58.760
Tim. Those are the five people. Yeah, Bill and Tim, that's

1049
01:13:58.840 --> 01:14:03.840
right, But only four of us
actually knew you know Virgil, right,

1050
01:14:04.199 --> 01:14:09.119
no clue, right, right?
And I only knew him because of Jack.

1051
01:14:09.239 --> 01:14:15.079
Jack introduced me to Virgil during those
walks in downtown Wall. Well,

1052
01:14:15.159 --> 01:14:16.960
I'm here to tell you, over
a decade later, John, I'm sorry

1053
01:14:17.000 --> 01:14:24.640
about that. Well, I'm sorry, my my. My sympathies are out

1054
01:14:24.680 --> 01:14:30.439
to you and your fans the loss
of our dear friend Virgil and may he

1055
01:14:30.520 --> 01:14:34.439
rest in peace in wrestling heaven.
Absolutely couldn't agree more. And John,

1056
01:14:34.479 --> 01:14:39.560
thank you for taking the time,
Thank you for bankrolling the venture, because

1057
01:14:39.600 --> 01:14:44.560
you created a memory that has rung
throughout ten years of doing this podcast.

1058
01:14:44.600 --> 01:14:49.520
It's I don't know how that night
got so much legs. It's true.

1059
01:14:49.800 --> 01:14:54.439
It was a great night, the
whole thing, from the Center to the

1060
01:14:54.479 --> 01:14:59.560
cigar bar to Virgil it was.
It was a terrific night night to remember.

1061
01:15:00.239 --> 01:15:03.680
John. Thank you. You're welcome, guys, I love you.

1062
01:15:06.920 --> 01:15:13.720
How great is that? That's unreal? I mean, delivered with all the

1063
01:15:13.760 --> 01:15:19.119
sincerity of of the critic. Yep, yep, exactly from Jay that was

1064
01:15:19.159 --> 01:15:32.840
his name? Oh yeah, from
uh yeah it thanks do so was Omar

1065
01:15:32.880 --> 01:15:39.159
there? Uh yeah? I think
so? Okay, So you should include

1066
01:15:39.199 --> 01:15:42.279
him as someone who knows Virgil.
That's true. You got me nervous there.

1067
01:15:42.319 --> 01:15:45.439
I was like, waitmember, even
there, I think he was remember

1068
01:15:45.520 --> 01:15:47.119
him? He was there now,
Omar, Yeah, so there were five

1069
01:15:47.119 --> 01:15:51.239
of us who knew who he was, So don't short change him. Sorry,

1070
01:15:51.319 --> 01:15:54.920
Omar. How about this agreement,
boss? How about the agreement?

1071
01:15:55.119 --> 01:15:59.239
I can't I sent you a picture
because I saved I saved it in the

1072
01:15:59.359 --> 01:16:01.439
envelope and I couldn't remember where the
hell I put it. And then when

1073
01:16:01.439 --> 01:16:04.760
this happened, this this idea,
I was like looking all over the place

1074
01:16:04.760 --> 01:16:08.439
for it, and you know how
this always goes. Of course, once

1075
01:16:08.479 --> 01:16:11.319
you turn everything upside down to find
a physical something, you realize you had

1076
01:16:11.319 --> 01:16:14.399
it digitally the whole fucking time in
your email. But that's fine. Yeah,

1077
01:16:14.479 --> 01:16:17.000
at least I'm here with a sign, Dude. I love that.

1078
01:16:17.520 --> 01:16:21.520
I mean, is it valid because
my dad didn't sign it? That's a

1079
01:16:21.520 --> 01:16:27.079
good point. It's valid on his
side, right, But I don't know.

1080
01:16:27.119 --> 01:16:29.439
That's good. That's a good point. Now I look at the picture

1081
01:16:29.479 --> 01:16:32.600
you sent me my dad, so
like, is it a really valid?

1082
01:16:33.439 --> 01:16:36.760
Did he did he actually have to
pay him the money? My god,

1083
01:16:36.800 --> 01:16:41.279
Mike Jones or at least the balance. Did he have to pay him the

1084
01:16:41.279 --> 01:16:46.119
balance? We don't know. That's
wild, That's fucking wild, And I

1085
01:16:46.119 --> 01:16:49.119
love too, Like all this shit's
happening, I'm I'm in fucking Utah at

1086
01:16:49.119 --> 01:16:53.920
this time. Oh right, you're
working the theater out there. Yeah.

1087
01:16:54.079 --> 01:17:00.000
Yeah, it's fucking crazy. Mike
Jones, Well spun a little time.

1088
01:17:00.039 --> 01:17:03.319
I'm reflecting further on on his wrestling
career, like why we've already kind of

1089
01:17:03.319 --> 01:17:06.199
done it, but before we welcome
in our esteemed guests from the night,

1090
01:17:08.359 --> 01:17:13.079
just just thoughts on why Virgil came
to be a person that would be like

1091
01:17:13.279 --> 01:17:15.840
the shortlist most hilarious person you could
hire for something like this. Why,

1092
01:17:16.239 --> 01:17:24.279
my god, why just I think
because he's there, because because it's like

1093
01:17:24.680 --> 01:17:28.920
I guess, I guess here's why
he's the last person you would think to

1094
01:17:29.000 --> 01:17:32.960
hire for a fucking personal appearance.
Totally, there was no way he got

1095
01:17:32.960 --> 01:17:38.760
another booking like this ever in his
life. Like why would you know?

1096
01:17:38.800 --> 01:17:42.279
I guess I think because I remember
one of the things that we when we

1097
01:17:42.560 --> 01:17:46.600
when when you me and Tim saw
that that posting or whatever the hell we

1098
01:17:46.640 --> 01:17:53.000
saw, I feel like it's like, why, who the fuck would pay

1099
01:17:53.079 --> 01:17:56.760
for just Virgil, like why would
he make an Like why would I want

1100
01:17:56.800 --> 01:17:59.279
him to make an appearance? That's
why you want to make appearance, because

1101
01:17:59.319 --> 01:18:03.039
you want like why would you?
And that's it. That to me is

1102
01:18:03.039 --> 01:18:10.880
the is the only the only reason. It really was, Like I'm not

1103
01:18:10.920 --> 01:18:14.920
kidding when I say the thought was
he'd come to the party before the bachelor

1104
01:18:15.000 --> 01:18:18.239
party idea and just like stand there
like we were, so that like for

1105
01:18:18.319 --> 01:18:21.680
the whole joke of the party thing
was that he didn't actually have to do

1106
01:18:21.720 --> 01:18:26.399
anything. He was just invited to
be a guest, like he's being paid

1107
01:18:26.920 --> 01:18:30.159
to just be like everybody else at
the party, right, and to like

1108
01:18:30.279 --> 01:18:32.640
basically you let us just talk about
him, right like right, or like

1109
01:18:32.840 --> 01:18:35.439
just kind of be there, and
if we felt like going up the talking

1110
01:18:35.600 --> 01:18:40.039
about stuff, we'd go up to
him talking to him. You know,

1111
01:18:40.279 --> 01:18:43.359
that'd be something to put in the
contract. Guests reserve the right to talk

1112
01:18:43.399 --> 01:18:48.079
to the guest if if, if
desired. However, to be perfectly here,

1113
01:18:48.119 --> 01:18:51.680
we are under no obligation to engage
you in conversation throughout the course of

1114
01:18:51.720 --> 01:18:58.000
this Uh, We're under no obligation
to feign interest as you feigned moves in

1115
01:18:58.079 --> 01:19:04.079
the ring, not that you would
know anything about fainting or fainting as it

1116
01:19:04.119 --> 01:19:09.560
were, That's true. So was
it him knocking out DBS with the title

1117
01:19:09.960 --> 01:19:12.039
Summer Slam ninety one that did it
for you as a kid? Is that

1118
01:19:12.079 --> 01:19:14.119
what it was? I didn't even
see that. I mean, let me

1119
01:19:14.159 --> 01:19:16.399
think here, like when like the
worst or earliest Virgil memory, if you

1120
01:19:16.439 --> 01:19:21.359
had to get that earliest Virgil memory, would have been right after Tuesday and

1121
01:19:21.479 --> 01:19:27.039
Texas and he was feuding with Repo
Man, and of course that was a

1122
01:19:27.159 --> 01:19:33.079
fucking main event drawing feud. I
mean, who wouldn't be drawn to that

1123
01:19:33.119 --> 01:19:38.960
feud Virgil and Repo Man. And
I would have to say, I think

1124
01:19:39.039 --> 01:19:45.800
probably that the the really the the
biggest memory I would have had at the

1125
01:19:45.800 --> 01:19:47.800
time, because I mean, you
know, once you establish a guy as

1126
01:19:47.800 --> 01:19:51.560
a good guy that era at Babyface
in that era, obviously I become a

1127
01:19:51.560 --> 01:19:56.039
fan of them because that those are
the rules, you know, like Babyface

1128
01:19:56.039 --> 01:19:58.680
should become a fan at least my
rules, I should say, those are

1129
01:19:58.680 --> 01:20:04.680
the rules that I abided by.
And so it came to the point where

1130
01:20:05.079 --> 01:20:11.840
if he was if he was like
the one guy against a bunch of heels.

1131
01:20:11.920 --> 01:20:15.000
I would always root for him as
if he was Hulk Hogan, you

1132
01:20:15.000 --> 01:20:17.079
know what I mean, Like I
would root from Matt Hard because the good

1133
01:20:17.119 --> 01:20:25.000
guy, a good guy meets in
all cases, and it was such a

1134
01:20:25.079 --> 01:20:29.840
must. It was, you know, it was like it was fucking crushing

1135
01:20:29.920 --> 01:20:34.720
if a heel won, like Undertaker
beat Hulkogan, like folks, oh miserable.

1136
01:20:34.800 --> 01:20:39.840
You felt a sense of dread.
You felt like like like your country

1137
01:20:39.880 --> 01:20:45.039
was being taken over the hostile force. Even the fact that Hogan won by

1138
01:20:45.119 --> 01:20:48.840
DQ at WrestleMania eight is one of
the most disappointing things about being a wrestling

1139
01:20:48.920 --> 01:20:56.479
fan right right there. And I'll
say I think probably the most impactful memory

1140
01:20:56.640 --> 01:21:00.000
at the time, because I always
remember, like you know, I always,

1141
01:21:00.039 --> 01:21:03.800
for some reason remember that that Repo
Man feud because I read about it

1142
01:21:03.840 --> 01:21:06.600
so much in the magazine at the
time, you know, I was so

1143
01:21:06.720 --> 01:21:12.880
in touch with that. And it
happened right around or right maybe not right

1144
01:21:12.920 --> 01:21:15.920
maybe right after Tuesday or right before
Tuesday in Texas because the text toothing in

1145
01:21:15.920 --> 01:21:19.319
Texas was the tag match and Repo
Man caused Verge to lose the million Dollar

1146
01:21:19.399 --> 01:21:26.720
Belt back to Deep back to deeps
and so that was my go to feud

1147
01:21:26.760 --> 01:21:33.439
for Virgil, like Repo Man was
was virgils Andre the giant. Those are

1148
01:21:33.479 --> 01:21:38.960
the hasbros you picture clacking together.
Oh yeah, when it came to that,

1149
01:21:39.000 --> 01:21:41.880
the two of them would always like
it was always a go to feud,

1150
01:21:42.119 --> 01:21:45.359
and Virgil had that spring loaded punch, right Virgil, Yeah, Virgil,

1151
01:21:45.640 --> 01:21:51.760
Virgil. Virgil's figure was good Man's
was awful was because it was the

1152
01:21:51.760 --> 01:21:57.000
t bone back, t bone back. Yeah, fucking fraudulent joke of a

1153
01:21:58.520 --> 01:22:00.479
of a of a figure. You
send me something. I didn't send you

1154
01:22:00.520 --> 01:22:03.680
anything, but I heard that noise. Brother, it's going on, dude,

1155
01:22:04.159 --> 01:22:10.159
probably the countdown for to bring into
our esteem colleagues. Do I need

1156
01:22:10.199 --> 01:22:14.279
to get on the call. Yeah, it wouldn't hurt. Yeah, let

1157
01:22:14.319 --> 01:22:16.399
me let me forward you the info. H we'll call this one in the

1158
01:22:16.479 --> 01:22:23.159
ring. Folks love it. But
yeah, good uh uh. But I'll

1159
01:22:23.199 --> 01:22:28.720
say, probably the most profound memory
that I had early in my fandom regarding

1160
01:22:28.800 --> 01:22:31.560
Virgil would have been his nose getting
broken by Sid Yes, I was going

1161
01:22:31.600 --> 01:22:34.760
to say that. For WrestleMania that
probably would have that was huge. He

1162
01:22:34.760 --> 01:22:40.439
played a big part whatever money that
match drew Hogan and Sid at WrestleMania.

1163
01:22:41.319 --> 01:22:44.800
You can't say Virgil had nothing to
do with it, because what was it

1164
01:22:44.840 --> 01:22:47.560
about that angle? He just he
just took him apart, exactly that,

1165
01:22:47.920 --> 01:22:50.920
He just took him apart. And
Virgil was a great sympathetic baby face for

1166
01:22:50.960 --> 01:22:55.359
that role. He was. He
was somebody that people really wanted to see

1167
01:22:55.880 --> 01:23:00.000
be like a you know, a
plucky underdog. After he broke free from

1168
01:23:00.079 --> 01:23:03.199
debias. You wanted to see him
succeed and to swim on his own.

1169
01:23:03.520 --> 01:23:06.079
And the kind of kept that alive
for about a year in the fan's minds.

1170
01:23:06.640 --> 01:23:10.640
But Sid Sid just undid it.
It was like, Okay, Virgil's

1171
01:23:10.680 --> 01:23:15.720
going nowhere because Sid is a fucking
killer. Yeah, Sid Sid ruined him.

1172
01:23:15.319 --> 01:23:18.520
He wore the face mask right,
yeah, yeah, and was here

1173
01:23:18.520 --> 01:23:21.640
in the ninety three rumble. He
was. It wasn't ninety rumble. What

1174
01:23:21.640 --> 01:23:28.319
happens there? Um he goes uh
he's in early I believe, and he

1175
01:23:28.359 --> 01:23:31.399
goes ra after tbios but gets nothing
really relevant, nothing, nothing crazy happens.

1176
01:23:31.520 --> 01:23:33.680
I was reading. There was actually
and we may have covered this when

1177
01:23:33.680 --> 01:23:36.479
we did the ninety three Rumble,
which actually served as our Bobby Heenan tribute

1178
01:23:36.479 --> 01:23:41.600
show, because he's so fucking hilarious
on that broadcast that he was actually Virgil

1179
01:23:41.640 --> 01:23:44.159
was actually a late replacement in the
Rumble and wasn't originally scheduled to be in

1180
01:23:44.159 --> 01:23:46.520
there, and I'd pretty much wrapped
up his time with WWF. I oh

1181
01:23:46.600 --> 01:23:50.960
no, because I mean that magazine
cover came out later in the year,

1182
01:23:51.279 --> 01:23:56.520
in August August August issue of the
magazine August ninety three, he was still

1183
01:23:56.560 --> 01:23:59.399
in the sup three. Yeah,
he's that's when he fucking doesn't And I'll

1184
01:23:59.399 --> 01:24:03.119
say I think part of it too. One of the things is, uh,

1185
01:24:03.199 --> 01:24:06.199
in the magazine, he also does
this little fucking thing with Bob Backland,

1186
01:24:06.840 --> 01:24:11.239
you know, where he's like eating, like Bob Becklan's making fucking vegetable

1187
01:24:11.279 --> 01:24:15.680
smoothies or something, and and and
and I'll find that one too, because

1188
01:24:15.680 --> 01:24:18.840
that that thing is fucking that's just
fucking hilarious too too. He's he's like,

1189
01:24:18.920 --> 01:24:25.119
yeah, he's eating, he's like
making yeah, like vegetable smooths,

1190
01:24:25.119 --> 01:24:29.239
and the Vergion just like sitting there
as if as if I don't know what,

1191
01:24:29.560 --> 01:24:31.239
but like, okay, you're gonna
learn how to eat. Bob Backlans

1192
01:24:31.279 --> 01:24:39.680
his daddy exactly like Papa Backland is
gonna fucking Papa Backman. Well, it

1193
01:24:39.720 --> 01:24:43.560
depends if he hits the atomic drop
or not. That's very true. But

1194
01:24:44.199 --> 01:24:47.640
that's very true. It was a
long It was a long loop to close

1195
01:24:47.720 --> 01:24:53.279
with Virgil. And you might remember
that when we went out for WrestleMania in

1196
01:24:53.279 --> 01:24:57.640
New Jersey. We went to wrestle
Icon and he was there. Now you

1197
01:24:57.760 --> 01:25:00.920
were at the garden. Oh,
this is when I went on my personal

1198
01:25:00.960 --> 01:25:04.520
sojourn over there because you were working. I think it was right after the

1199
01:25:05.000 --> 01:25:09.359
tour we gave I'd imagine after the
tour, and I put some audio up

1200
01:25:09.399 --> 01:25:11.880
of it as I walked around and
kind of journaled what I saw. And

1201
01:25:11.920 --> 01:25:14.920
I ran into Virtil. He had
a table set of at restlicon what do

1202
01:25:15.000 --> 01:25:16.279
you know? And I went up
to him and had a bag in my

1203
01:25:16.279 --> 01:25:19.880
hand. I had bought an action
figure or something. And I walked up

1204
01:25:19.880 --> 01:25:23.399
to him and I said, Virgil, remember us we hired you a bachelor

1205
01:25:23.439 --> 01:25:26.039
party in Boston. Yeah, yeah, yeah, what's up? Man?

1206
01:25:26.079 --> 01:25:31.680
Hey? What you got in the
bag? I mean? He responded to

1207
01:25:31.720 --> 01:25:36.880
me like like he didn't remember the
bachelor party at all, which is fine.

1208
01:25:36.880 --> 01:25:40.359
I don't give a shit if he
does. But he wanted to know

1209
01:25:40.359 --> 01:25:42.520
what was in the bag, and
I never could figure out what that was

1210
01:25:42.520 --> 01:25:45.600
about. And the more I hear
about his reputation in the convention circuit preparing

1211
01:25:45.600 --> 01:25:48.760
for the Tribute show, I feel
like he probably was trying to figure is

1212
01:25:48.800 --> 01:25:54.039
there something in there that I could
offer to sign, sign and then ask

1213
01:25:54.119 --> 01:25:56.119
you to pay for it, even
though you didn't agree before I signed it

1214
01:25:56.119 --> 01:26:01.079
to pay for it? That was
his thing or or or uh uh,

1215
01:26:02.079 --> 01:26:04.800
you know, or if you got
something that he can that he can take,

1216
01:26:05.039 --> 01:26:09.079
and we got food in there for
him, maybe yeah, maybe he

1217
01:26:09.119 --> 01:26:13.479
wanted he wanted to pasta carbonara or
something like that. We got a snack

1218
01:26:13.520 --> 01:26:15.720
in there. You have food and
there in the bag. It's in the

1219
01:26:15.720 --> 01:26:17.680
bag. It's in the bag.
And so you know, we just of

1220
01:26:17.720 --> 01:26:23.039
course we we we learned the hard
way that we were dealing with a carneye,

1221
01:26:23.119 --> 01:26:26.520
that we were dealing with somebody that
you know, saw numbers on our

1222
01:26:26.560 --> 01:26:29.079
face and nothing else, which is
you know, fine, fair play to

1223
01:26:29.159 --> 01:26:31.399
him, sure, And uh,
I think it came home most starkly when

1224
01:26:31.399 --> 01:26:35.840
we launched a certain something called the
Lapsed Fan. Yes, and I emailed

1225
01:26:35.920 --> 01:26:39.840
him and I said, hey,
you remember us. Yeah, it was

1226
01:26:39.840 --> 01:26:41.800
such a great time, and thank
you so much for that. Hey,

1227
01:26:41.800 --> 01:26:45.239
you know we're doing a podcast now. We're doing a podcast now, and

1228
01:26:45.279 --> 01:26:50.840
it would it would just be so
great if you could come on and reflect

1229
01:26:50.920 --> 01:26:55.359
on a segment we'd like to call
on the Verge. This is when we

1230
01:26:55.359 --> 01:27:00.359
were very naive about how we could
involve how advisable it was to involve people

1231
01:27:00.359 --> 01:27:03.479
in the business, I think.
I think at the time we also figured,

1232
01:27:03.479 --> 01:27:05.880
hey, you know what, he's
a friend. Yeah, you know,

1233
01:27:05.920 --> 01:27:09.239
we took him out for dinner afterwards, like, we're cool with this

1234
01:27:09.279 --> 01:27:12.680
guy, right, and this might
be a chance for him to say,

1235
01:27:12.680 --> 01:27:15.159
hey, I'm coming to this comic
convention. You might want to come see

1236
01:27:15.199 --> 01:27:18.600
me. No, how naive we
were. Oh yes, July sixth,

1237
01:27:18.720 --> 01:27:21.479
twenty fourteen, so just weeks after
launching the show, we were in the

1238
01:27:21.479 --> 01:27:27.680
middle of the journey. Hey,
Mike, please confirm you'll be oh wait

1239
01:27:27.680 --> 01:27:30.199
a minute, looking here, Please
confirm we be available to record an interview

1240
01:27:30.239 --> 01:27:33.000
with JP and I for our podcast. He must have agreed to do it,

1241
01:27:33.239 --> 01:27:35.920
That's why I felt so jilted.
Yes, yes, he did,

1242
01:27:36.000 --> 01:27:40.399
you know what, I agree,
he agreed and then, and then he

1243
01:27:40.520 --> 01:27:42.840
had to hit us with this.
Okay, right, this is July six,

1244
01:27:42.920 --> 01:27:45.560
twenty fourteen. Hey Mike, please
confirm you'll be available tomorrow to record

1245
01:27:45.560 --> 01:27:48.680
an interview with JP and I for
for our podcast. Looking forward to it.

1246
01:27:49.479 --> 01:27:53.760
Thanks, he writes back the next
day, Jack, my fee is

1247
01:27:53.800 --> 01:28:00.239
seven hundred and fifty dollars for the
podcast after agreeing to do it. I

1248
01:28:00.279 --> 01:28:04.079
hope I repeat, this is the
sentence. Jack, my fee is seven

1249
01:28:04.159 --> 01:28:08.800
hundred and fifty dollars for the podcast. What's the problem. I hope that

1250
01:28:08.880 --> 01:28:11.840
is cool? Thank you? Virtual. Oh sorry, can't pay, see

1251
01:28:12.359 --> 01:28:14.960
Jack, When I do a comic
con, they tell who is going to

1252
01:28:15.000 --> 01:28:16.239
be there. In other words,
I don't need to do a podcast to

1253
01:28:16.439 --> 01:28:20.439
advertise my pards. Yeah, apparently
it don't verge because the lines around the

1254
01:28:20.439 --> 01:28:24.279
fucking block. Okay, right,
and the line's wrong the block, but

1255
01:28:24.399 --> 01:28:28.000
like you're in the wrong building.
When you talk about WWF things, you

1256
01:28:28.079 --> 01:28:31.680
get paid because the WWF here h
E R E about it. Yeah,

1257
01:28:32.000 --> 01:28:35.560
wwa F would be totally fine.
That's what he fucking wrote to you.

1258
01:28:35.640 --> 01:28:39.840
That's what he wrote, because WWF
would be totally fine with you doing an

1259
01:28:39.880 --> 01:28:42.720
interview if you got paid for it, and they made no money off r

1260
01:28:42.880 --> 01:28:45.279
exactly. Yeah, dude, I
don't think you're on a Legends contract pell

1261
01:28:46.199 --> 01:28:49.680
and he he followed up one more
time and said, Jack, I am

1262
01:28:49.720 --> 01:28:54.239
sorry I could not do your podcast
because I still work for the WWE.

1263
01:28:54.560 --> 01:28:58.760
That why I had to say seven
hundred and fifty dollars maybe another time.

1264
01:28:58.880 --> 01:29:02.000
Thanks again, No, why would
there be another time? There's no time

1265
01:29:02.439 --> 01:29:08.560
changes. The view never changes,
daddy. So here we are, ladies

1266
01:29:08.600 --> 01:29:13.920
and gentlemen. This is These folks
can bear witness. That's what we can

1267
01:29:13.960 --> 01:29:16.279
say. These folks can bear witness. We have assembled for you in our

1268
01:29:16.359 --> 01:29:21.640
on the Verge tribute looking back on
the life and times of he who made

1269
01:29:21.640 --> 01:29:33.520
the trek from Kropolis, Pennsylvania to
Boston back in twenty twelve to absolutely sounds

1270
01:29:33.640 --> 01:29:40.000
a little bit better here than it
did the night of Bill Knows the Truth.

1271
01:29:41.960 --> 01:29:45.960
Fucking hell. Virgil he made his
entrance, and the gentleman joining us

1272
01:29:46.000 --> 01:29:50.319
here. What an opportunity to get
us all back together virtually here to reflect

1273
01:29:50.359 --> 01:29:56.960
on many vantage points on Virgil walking
in with a million dollar belt, missing

1274
01:29:57.000 --> 01:30:04.600
a few studs ready to talk about
his fourteen inch long cock and and smoke

1275
01:30:04.680 --> 01:30:08.800
some cigars with your boys. It
was quite a night. And we've got

1276
01:30:08.840 --> 01:30:11.560
Tim, We've got Bill, We've
got Eric, we've got Omar. Of

1277
01:30:11.600 --> 01:30:15.159
course I have JP and myself to
look back on this night, and we

1278
01:30:15.279 --> 01:30:18.359
got a particular way. We've got
to do this because there's a lot to

1279
01:30:18.439 --> 01:30:21.319
get to. But I think probably
the best way to start, gentlemen,

1280
01:30:21.359 --> 01:30:25.359
I'm sure you would agree, is
to share with everybody if you have your

1281
01:30:25.439 --> 01:30:30.439
zoom screens video that the mighty Bill
who. By the way, folks on

1282
01:30:30.479 --> 01:30:32.199
the let's introduce Bill, because Bill's
been talked about on the air over the

1283
01:30:32.279 --> 01:30:36.439
years. We refer to Bill as
Bill Demot because his first name is Bill,

1284
01:30:36.479 --> 01:30:44.319
and apparently that's enough. Oh Bill, Bill's the agile big man.

1285
01:30:44.399 --> 01:30:47.960
Yeah, I remember you moon salting
all the time. Bill, reflect on

1286
01:30:48.119 --> 01:30:50.920
reflect for us quickly, because I
forgot you were recording this thing. What

1287
01:30:51.039 --> 01:30:57.000
what what? What was your instinct
when Virgil walked through those doors? Oh

1288
01:30:57.079 --> 01:31:00.880
God, So I felt like I
had really dropped the ball all communication wise

1289
01:31:00.920 --> 01:31:05.319
on trying to help you get the
event together, Jack, trying to get

1290
01:31:05.479 --> 01:31:10.920
trying to get the PA and trying
to do all this stuff. And I

1291
01:31:10.920 --> 01:31:14.680
think that's like the only evidence of
the entire night. I remember taking a

1292
01:31:14.680 --> 01:31:18.560
single other picture except for that,
and such a phone to the time that

1293
01:31:18.800 --> 01:31:21.520
you know, it's just like I
forgot that phone videos used to be this

1294
01:31:21.600 --> 01:31:26.319
bad. It's like it's like a
real video player from like nineteen eighty seven

1295
01:31:27.560 --> 01:31:31.520
with my HTC nova? Is that
what it was? Some old ht It

1296
01:31:31.560 --> 01:31:34.760
had a kickstand on it or something. It was a big, big fuck

1297
01:31:34.800 --> 01:31:41.680
all phone. And honestly, so
I've been following, you know, the

1298
01:31:41.720 --> 01:31:45.279
activity that you have been doing with
his passing, and when JP reached out,

1299
01:31:45.319 --> 01:31:47.720
I'm like, I'm just gonna I'm
gonna send him the video off hand.

1300
01:31:47.760 --> 01:31:51.359
I mean, surely he's seen this
in the past, you know,

1301
01:31:51.520 --> 01:31:58.680
decade, and to see the I
couldn't believe it. And I must never

1302
01:31:58.720 --> 01:32:00.880
have sent it out. It's got
you know, the thousands something news,

1303
01:32:00.920 --> 01:32:04.680
so at least it's been seen by
the masses. But I was just so

1304
01:32:04.760 --> 01:32:09.880
glad I got the damn thing.
Jackie. You don't waste much time,

1305
01:32:09.920 --> 01:32:13.119
I think before asking, he's get
the biggest cock and the biss as well.

1306
01:32:15.880 --> 01:32:16.199
I mean, I was like,
all right, how do we get

1307
01:32:16.199 --> 01:32:20.680
this party started? Because there are
people in this cigar bar who couldn't give

1308
01:32:20.720 --> 01:32:26.479
a fuck about Virgil. And that's
most of us, let alone JP's relative.

1309
01:32:28.600 --> 01:32:33.079
What's that too? I'm assuming most
people didn't give this about Virgil.

1310
01:32:33.359 --> 01:32:41.399
I figured they were at best four
of us. Honestly, the people who

1311
01:32:41.479 --> 01:32:49.600
knew who and what Virgil is are
on this call. Omar, How excited

1312
01:32:49.600 --> 01:32:54.039
were you to see Virgil? I
mean fucking pumped. I'm trying to even

1313
01:32:54.039 --> 01:32:57.560
remember how much I knew going in. I don't remember how who I told

1314
01:32:57.600 --> 01:33:00.520
honestly, think I think Jack,
Yeah, you make me like you might

1315
01:33:00.920 --> 01:33:02.800
have to be there. Oh like
somebody's going to show up, And I'm

1316
01:33:02.840 --> 01:33:08.119
like, the fun could you be
talking about? And then he made that

1317
01:33:08.159 --> 01:33:10.439
grand interest when they most of the
music started playing, I'm like, let's

1318
01:33:10.439 --> 01:33:14.239
fucking go. Eric. I think
you said it was what the greatest night

1319
01:33:14.279 --> 01:33:17.479
of your life? Is that right? Yeah? Something like that. What

1320
01:33:17.520 --> 01:33:20.000
did you think when you saw the
Verge? I don't know. If I've

1321
01:33:20.000 --> 01:33:21.880
known you over the years, I
don't know how much you know about wrestling.

1322
01:33:21.880 --> 01:33:26.439
I mean, who You're like,
who is this fucking guy? Okay,

1323
01:33:26.560 --> 01:33:31.119
so real quick, So I'm a
very passive wrestling fan. If it's

1324
01:33:31.199 --> 01:33:38.119
on I may watch a few minutes
of it, but I do remember.

1325
01:33:39.000 --> 01:33:42.520
And I had to go back and
get some of my terminology right, because

1326
01:33:43.319 --> 01:33:48.000
I knew that I was in the
presence of Rape's with the wrestling, so

1327
01:33:48.800 --> 01:33:50.720
I had to make sure that I
knew what I was talking about. But

1328
01:33:50.760 --> 01:33:56.840
it was a real rumble match that
a friend of mine had on at his

1329
01:33:56.960 --> 01:34:04.199
house, and Virgil hits Dbai with
the belt. Oh yeah, anybody remember

1330
01:34:02.880 --> 01:34:10.600
that's right? Yep. We asked
him about it. So so so I

1331
01:34:10.640 --> 01:34:13.760
think I asked somebody It was like, is that the guy that hit the

1332
01:34:13.800 --> 01:34:17.319
other guy with the belt? Like
the guy who hit the other guy?

1333
01:34:17.560 --> 01:34:21.920
Right? Yeah, that's that's pretty
much my knowledge of wrestling. So uh

1334
01:34:21.960 --> 01:34:26.880
so there you have it. That's
uh, that was about my base knowledge

1335
01:34:26.920 --> 01:34:30.720
of of where we were at that
point. It's so, Bill, did

1336
01:34:30.760 --> 01:34:31.840
you know it's going to be Virgil? I don't remember what I told you.

1337
01:34:32.800 --> 01:34:35.560
Yes, so you had reached out. I don't know, you needed

1338
01:34:35.600 --> 01:34:41.800
like another point person. And so
I knew I wasn't expecting the belt.

1339
01:34:42.479 --> 01:34:48.960
I really wasn't. Anybody again said, was anybody really expecting the belt?

1340
01:34:49.359 --> 01:34:59.239
Oh? Yes? But yeah,
so I knew ahead of time and so

1341
01:34:59.479 --> 01:35:02.880
I'm watching JP and he's leaning back
in the chair. He's got you know,

1342
01:35:03.279 --> 01:35:09.960
less than half is a guy left
and just perks up when he eventually

1343
01:35:10.039 --> 01:35:13.159
hears the music. You can see, yeah almost do the start of the

1344
01:35:13.239 --> 01:35:16.840
video here and Jack with an outstanding
intro, like, yeah, hit some

1345
01:35:17.000 --> 01:35:23.520
points and then he wasn't the only
one perked up with a c by the

1346
01:35:23.560 --> 01:35:30.119
way, oh shit, Oh you
think he was a little bit Virgil Malcolm

1347
01:35:30.199 --> 01:35:32.119
Virgil left Clean man. He always
talked about how he never did anything besides

1348
01:35:32.199 --> 01:35:42.720
cherry coke and breadsticks, jaw snake
running clean. Yeah, they were all

1349
01:35:42.800 --> 01:35:45.720
right, So you knew it was
going to be Virgil. Yeah, yeah,

1350
01:35:45.760 --> 01:35:49.960
I was one of the lucky few
knowing what the calamity that was going

1351
01:35:50.039 --> 01:35:57.000
to come in that door. What
I wasn't expecting. Again, he was

1352
01:35:57.199 --> 01:35:59.880
so many stories later on, but
one of his first couple of sentences was

1353
01:35:59.880 --> 01:36:02.239
like, man, it's a terrible
job. Man. You're on the road

1354
01:36:02.560 --> 01:36:08.000
four months at a time. He's
going right down and I think, Jack,

1355
01:36:08.079 --> 01:36:10.880
you saw that, and you're like, fuck that tell us about you

1356
01:36:10.920 --> 01:36:15.960
know, uh, bitches and cocaine. You know, Yeah, he comes

1357
01:36:15.000 --> 01:36:19.319
to a bachelor party. It is
telling the groom to be about how fucking

1358
01:36:19.399 --> 01:36:23.199
hard it is to keep a family
together and all this something. All right,

1359
01:36:23.239 --> 01:36:26.760
dude, yeah exactly, Let's talk
about your conquests. How about you

1360
01:36:26.800 --> 01:36:30.880
make some things up for us like
we expected. But I want I want

1361
01:36:30.920 --> 01:36:33.319
everybody to know that I didn't expect
him to bring the million dollar title either.

1362
01:36:33.359 --> 01:36:36.119
I did not request that. I
did not expect that. And when

1363
01:36:36.159 --> 01:36:40.960
he stepped out of that car that
we sent to pick him up on that

1364
01:36:41.039 --> 01:36:45.239
sidewalk in the North End and he
came out with that thing glittering over his

1365
01:36:45.399 --> 01:36:51.319
Peluca Joe blackhoodie, I was like, this is this is not happening.

1366
01:36:51.359 --> 01:36:55.119
He did not bring the belt,
and he's just like, what's up?

1367
01:36:55.399 --> 01:36:59.199
And I'm like, all right,
Virgil, I guess we're walking downstairs together.

1368
01:37:00.800 --> 01:37:02.600
I said, you wait here,
you wait for the music, which

1369
01:37:02.640 --> 01:37:04.720
which Bill, we knocked it out
of the park with that music. You

1370
01:37:04.760 --> 01:37:13.359
could hear it so well. You
remember that how much we were struggling to

1371
01:37:13.359 --> 01:37:15.439
get the fucking music to work.
It was just I'd love to try to

1372
01:37:15.479 --> 01:37:23.720
recreate the muffle. But then there's
even a tiny glitch in here that you'll

1373
01:37:23.760 --> 01:37:27.479
see as well. But you fix
it, right, quick. Yeah,

1374
01:37:27.520 --> 01:37:30.800
I provided a p a terrible communication. Uh, but it's still it's still

1375
01:37:32.239 --> 01:37:35.079
it's so funny because the idea was
a roast of JP. That's what we

1376
01:37:35.079 --> 01:37:36.880
wanted to do. We want people
get up there and you know, make

1377
01:37:36.920 --> 01:37:40.319
fun of him, and we brought
it. We all roasted him. But

1378
01:37:40.399 --> 01:37:45.000
Virgil is not going to know how
to roast him. Virgil doesn't know how

1379
01:37:45.000 --> 01:37:49.359
to roast a chicken. He's not
gonna roa That guy's not gonna have anything

1380
01:37:49.359 --> 01:37:53.039
to say about JP. What's up? Man? Yeah, well you're gonna

1381
01:37:53.039 --> 01:37:57.159
be bitches of this thing or what
it's like? You know, like it

1382
01:37:57.239 --> 01:37:59.760
would go so far? O.
Mar. When I was talking to this

1383
01:37:59.800 --> 01:38:03.159
guy, he was he couldnot stop
asking me, like he kept it would

1384
01:38:03.159 --> 01:38:05.199
have so much fun. Man,
there's going to be bitches everywhere. Wudn't

1385
01:38:05.199 --> 01:38:08.600
get him fucked up. We're gonna
get pussy in his mouth. I'm like,

1386
01:38:08.720 --> 01:38:12.840
dude, oh ma Ohmar, this
was not the kind of party he

1387
01:38:12.880 --> 01:38:14.680
thought it was going to be.
I mean you no, no, no,

1388
01:38:15.720 --> 01:38:18.239
that's you know what I've I've always
wondered Jack your side of this,

1389
01:38:18.279 --> 01:38:23.800
because I can only really remember our
container of that fucking cigar bar. Like,

1390
01:38:23.840 --> 01:38:27.199
how the fun did you even get
him this far? Well, it's

1391
01:38:27.199 --> 01:38:29.960
funny because we just spent a lot
of time before we connect with you guys

1392
01:38:29.960 --> 01:38:32.600
talking about the house. And I
read all the emails between me and him.

1393
01:38:32.920 --> 01:38:38.680
There was a guy who I knew
from the comic book convention circuit.

1394
01:38:38.720 --> 01:38:41.399
He was like a PR guy for
them, and he also was pr for

1395
01:38:41.439 --> 01:38:44.920
a an mm A promotion that the
same company owns. So I knew him

1396
01:38:44.920 --> 01:38:45.720
and I was like, Hey,
I see Virgils on a couple of your

1397
01:38:45.760 --> 01:38:48.239
conventions. Can you get me in
touch? He writes me back, I'll

1398
01:38:48.279 --> 01:38:53.000
send the message to Ted Dibiassi and
let you know. Oh my god,

1399
01:38:55.159 --> 01:38:57.960
I almost said I told him JP. I said, Jerry, he's not

1400
01:38:58.199 --> 01:39:01.560
actually his real life sir. You
know that, right, Jesus, we

1401
01:39:01.680 --> 01:39:06.159
call him a valet Jack. I
was like, Okay, this is awkward.

1402
01:39:06.279 --> 01:39:10.319
But now apparently Ted was like an
intermediary to get a messages and what

1403
01:39:10.359 --> 01:39:14.039
do you know, Mike Virgil Vincent, which his fucking email, writes me

1404
01:39:14.119 --> 01:39:15.239
back. He's like, Hey,
this is Virgil and he calls me,

1405
01:39:15.319 --> 01:39:17.800
talks to me for an hour and
a half and he said he would love

1406
01:39:17.840 --> 01:39:21.439
to Virgil would love to make the
appearance. Yeah, I'm sure he would.

1407
01:39:21.760 --> 01:39:25.359
Yeah, it was more than seventy
five dollars in a flight. Of

1408
01:39:25.359 --> 01:39:28.239
course he's going to be there.
I did not know that at the time.

1409
01:39:28.800 --> 01:39:30.880
And so he's just like, and
I'm letting him. I'm letting his

1410
01:39:30.920 --> 01:39:33.680
imagination run wild when he hears bachelor
party. You know, oh my god,

1411
01:39:34.199 --> 01:39:38.319
he's thinking his he's thinking his stream
of com is going to hit the

1412
01:39:38.359 --> 01:39:44.279
ceiling fan. That's what he's thinking. He's just gonna rub one out at

1413
01:39:44.279 --> 01:39:46.359
the hotel. It's all it's going
to happen. But I can't let him

1414
01:39:46.359 --> 01:39:48.439
know that because I don't want him
to like think of this is like going

1415
01:39:48.520 --> 01:39:54.600
to be man children like all over
me. And it's what it was exactly.

1416
01:39:55.880 --> 01:39:58.840
So that's the story, And then
we talked about terms. I got

1417
01:39:59.000 --> 01:40:04.000
JP's dad to make the commitment.
It took Tim well before we hit play

1418
01:40:04.000 --> 01:40:09.119
on this. Motherfucker, Tim,
I do need to let people know that

1419
01:40:09.199 --> 01:40:14.800
the genesis of the idea of Virgil
being at a thing goes back way before

1420
01:40:14.840 --> 01:40:16.600
this. This is twenty twelve,
the bachelor party. But we used to

1421
01:40:16.600 --> 01:40:20.279
talk about when you'd have parties at
your house during college, what if we

1422
01:40:20.359 --> 01:40:27.199
hired Virgil to just stand there.
Right, This goes a decade prior,

1423
01:40:27.920 --> 01:40:32.680
I think two thousand and two,
we were talking about getting Virgil to come

1424
01:40:32.720 --> 01:40:39.199
to my Christmas party. That's what
it was. Nothing special. It just

1425
01:40:39.840 --> 01:40:45.720
is suburban Connecticut, just a nice
house, and it would just be very

1426
01:40:45.800 --> 01:40:49.640
strange to have Virgil there, but
we wanted him there, right. We

1427
01:40:49.800 --> 01:40:57.600
thought this would be a good idea. And my father, you do you

1428
01:40:57.680 --> 01:41:02.359
share jp sense that there was more
than just a joke when we said that,

1429
01:41:02.359 --> 01:41:05.920
that we somehow that there was a
glimmer of hope that it could actually

1430
01:41:05.920 --> 01:41:10.279
happen one day or just remember it
being so such a ridiculous notion that we

1431
01:41:10.319 --> 01:41:15.600
would never be acted upon. No, I we we sent some email to

1432
01:41:15.840 --> 01:41:19.520
some person and I don't know what
it was. We looked up Mike Jones

1433
01:41:19.520 --> 01:41:26.520
because but it probably wasn't him.
It was probably just some other person named

1434
01:41:26.520 --> 01:41:32.159
Mike Jones that got this email.
But we did try initially. So,

1435
01:41:32.439 --> 01:41:35.039
would you like to come to our
Christmas party? And here's what we want

1436
01:41:35.079 --> 01:41:42.880
you to do? Stand there and
let us pretty much make fun of you,

1437
01:41:42.920 --> 01:41:45.479
but not to your face. Right, So it's not gonna be that

1438
01:41:45.600 --> 01:41:50.560
humiliating. I think we offered cookies. Yeah, yeah, there was like

1439
01:41:51.079 --> 01:41:56.640
sit there, you know, just
stand there, and we're gonna pay you

1440
01:41:56.720 --> 01:42:00.199
to be a guest. We're gonna
right, We're gonna pay We're gonna pay

1441
01:42:00.239 --> 01:42:01.800
you to say Virgil was at the
party, you know, like that's all

1442
01:42:01.880 --> 01:42:04.159
that, That's what we're paying you
for. It doesn't matter what happened to

1443
01:42:04.239 --> 01:42:08.960
the party. It just seems so
ridiculous. But it was as we talked

1444
01:42:08.960 --> 01:42:14.520
about it media, we didn't.
We weren't saying, oh, we'll share

1445
01:42:14.560 --> 01:42:18.680
this with everyone. We'll let everyone
know that Virgil was there. No one

1446
01:42:18.720 --> 01:42:21.720
would know and no one would know
who he was. It would be just

1447
01:42:21.720 --> 01:42:25.399
like the Bachelor Party, Like ninety
percent of the people there would have no

1448
01:42:25.439 --> 01:42:29.600
idea who this guy was or why
he mattered. And if we explained it,

1449
01:42:29.600 --> 01:42:31.479
he'd matter almost even less. But
I don't know if you guys,

1450
01:42:32.359 --> 01:42:36.960
Eric, did you know that JP's
dad brought his wrestling toys and his ring

1451
01:42:38.079 --> 01:42:42.680
to the Bachelor party. I did
know that after the fact, not originally,

1452
01:42:43.079 --> 01:42:46.439
so you didn't see you didn't see
those those Hasbro trinkets in the wild.

1453
01:42:47.760 --> 01:42:54.720
I did not. Just so pathetic
were the bloody ones. JP.

1454
01:42:54.960 --> 01:42:57.840
I don't. I don't remember what
they were, of course you don't.

1455
01:42:58.399 --> 01:43:06.760
I just remember I remember the ring
with my makeshift steel cage. And I

1456
01:43:06.760 --> 01:43:19.119
think you brought some of the figures
that I painted over with and I imagine

1457
01:43:19.720 --> 01:43:26.359
some of them had like fifteen year
old blood on them. So it's possible.

1458
01:43:27.000 --> 01:43:29.520
No wonder he wanted to come to
the bachelor party. Yeah, right,

1459
01:43:29.560 --> 01:43:32.079
anyway, this is going to be
great. So thanks to Bill,

1460
01:43:32.600 --> 01:43:40.720
we have the footage. Now again, low grade videophone technology was not crystal,

1461
01:43:40.920 --> 01:43:44.560
it was not four K, so
it's hard to hear. But know

1462
01:43:44.680 --> 01:43:49.359
that I'm going to be pausing strategically
when I can discern something that was said

1463
01:43:49.760 --> 01:43:54.359
that that's worthy of comment, and
we're to take it through. We're sharing

1464
01:43:54.399 --> 01:43:57.760
screens. Here looks like my back
to start because Virgil has yet to enter

1465
01:43:57.800 --> 01:44:00.319
the room. Okay, you need
to picture this. It's a cigar bar

1466
01:44:00.359 --> 01:44:03.600
and a basement. Is this like
a bus? Is this like a restaurant?

1467
01:44:03.600 --> 01:44:10.399
What's up? I don't remember.
It's a bar. My dad used

1468
01:44:10.399 --> 01:44:15.960
to bring me with his friend Mike
McCarthy, Mike McBride, and we would

1469
01:44:16.039 --> 01:44:20.520
go down there, have drinks,
smoke, cigars. That's it, got

1470
01:44:20.560 --> 01:44:30.239
it. Occasionally they have a game
dinner with it's right there. They would

1471
01:44:30.239 --> 01:44:34.079
have like a goose or something.
Yeah, they have like uh venice and

1472
01:44:34.239 --> 01:44:46.159
ship game meat hunted and caught by
Paul evec And wait until we get to

1473
01:44:46.159 --> 01:44:48.840
the meat sauce portion of this.
I know a few of you guys know

1474
01:44:48.920 --> 01:44:57.880
about this. Not by Paul be
but served by hunters helms lady when he

1475
01:44:57.960 --> 01:45:02.479
had an accent. Okay, all
right, when he was all right,

1476
01:45:02.520 --> 01:45:09.680
forget it. So so here we
go. This is everyone's sitting in sort

1477
01:45:09.680 --> 01:45:12.760
of the galley if you will.
You know, different circular tables. You've

1478
01:45:12.800 --> 01:45:16.079
got JP at his cluster of friends. You've got his dad and his associates.

1479
01:45:16.119 --> 01:45:18.159
You know, you have you have
guys at sweater vests in this thing.

1480
01:45:18.199 --> 01:45:24.199
Okay, you need to know this. And and and Bill and I

1481
01:45:24.239 --> 01:45:27.319
are standing at the front of the
house facing the people, with the bar

1482
01:45:27.399 --> 01:45:30.880
behind us and the pa that Bill
brought. So we've got two speakers and

1483
01:45:31.199 --> 01:45:39.119
a couple of mics, but like
a real nice space shack. He's lovely

1484
01:45:39.720 --> 01:45:46.079
brick and the bar was really nice. And then you had Virgil. That's

1485
01:45:46.079 --> 01:45:50.840
true. Yeah, not to spoil
the surprise, but so so I was.

1486
01:45:50.920 --> 01:45:55.000
I was waiting. I mean,
you have no idea, like I

1487
01:45:55.039 --> 01:45:59.039
can't stop talking. Oh tell me, Tim, I've never gotten a bird's

1488
01:45:59.039 --> 01:46:03.560
eye view on how I was at
What do you remember? Oh you kind

1489
01:46:03.560 --> 01:46:08.479
of you kind of you were kind
of like Tony Khan at one of his

1490
01:46:08.600 --> 01:46:14.560
media scrums. You were just incredibly
nervous, Like I knew the version was

1491
01:46:14.600 --> 01:46:17.640
coming. I think you had told
me like a couple of weeks earlier,

1492
01:46:18.159 --> 01:46:24.319
but I didn't want to miss out
on like all the JP nests of everything,

1493
01:46:25.039 --> 01:46:30.000
so I was focusing on him.
But then I saw you start pacing

1494
01:46:30.000 --> 01:46:35.560
at the back, and every fifteen
seconds he would say something like I think

1495
01:46:35.560 --> 01:46:44.319
he's here. I think he's Virgil
by the way, I'm talking about Virgil.

1496
01:46:47.479 --> 01:46:53.439
But I think he said something like, I hope he brings the belt.

1497
01:46:54.239 --> 01:46:58.560
Really I said that, I was, Yeah, fingers were crossed and

1498
01:46:59.800 --> 01:47:03.279
they he disappointed. Oh my god, So I was. I was.

1499
01:47:03.760 --> 01:47:08.520
I must have been waiting for a
phone call because I knew that because I

1500
01:47:08.560 --> 01:47:10.520
don't even know I probably had an
email on my phone. Then yeah,

1501
01:47:10.520 --> 01:47:15.079
I probably did, But anyway,
I just knew that if I didn't hear

1502
01:47:15.119 --> 01:47:16.560
by a certain time, like it
was going to be this huge you know,

1503
01:47:16.680 --> 01:47:19.000
question mark on the night we had
the roast. You know, I

1504
01:47:19.039 --> 01:47:23.800
always kept I kept my options open. I always had in my mind like

1505
01:47:24.359 --> 01:47:26.840
if we have to k fabe that
no one was ever supposed to come,

1506
01:47:26.880 --> 01:47:30.239
we just go right into the roast
and and that'll be fine. But of

1507
01:47:30.239 --> 01:47:33.159
course I want Virgil to show up. And when the word came that he

1508
01:47:33.239 --> 01:47:35.239
was up there, I had to
like duck out. Do you remember me

1509
01:47:35.279 --> 01:47:43.279
disappearing, JP? Or yes,
really I do? Because everyone was like

1510
01:47:43.800 --> 01:47:49.199
Bill wend and Bill was hilarious.
Tim you said something. You didn't roast

1511
01:47:49.239 --> 01:47:54.720
me though I didn't want to.
I wanted to. I wanted to be

1512
01:47:54.840 --> 01:47:57.720
nice. And then and then you
guys made me make fun of you.

1513
01:47:58.520 --> 01:48:02.560
That's fine, Omar, did you
roast me? I genuinely told you what

1514
01:48:02.600 --> 01:48:06.359
a genuine asshole you are? All
right, that's great? Yeah, okay,

1515
01:48:06.359 --> 01:48:11.760
good, I'm a fan of man. I love you. That's a

1516
01:48:11.800 --> 01:48:13.960
shoot. How about you? Eric? I don't remember did you get up

1517
01:48:13.960 --> 01:48:16.239
there? No? Absolutely not?
Okay, all right, that's why I

1518
01:48:16.239 --> 01:48:20.600
don't remember. Absolutely not. So
all right, So I disappeared, And

1519
01:48:20.600 --> 01:48:23.760
what did you think JP did?
You think I was up to mischief or

1520
01:48:23.800 --> 01:48:27.199
that I had to go to the
bathroom or Yeah. I was kind of

1521
01:48:27.239 --> 01:48:33.079
confused because I'm like, he's missing
all this stuff, and isn't he going

1522
01:48:33.079 --> 01:48:39.239
to roast me? And then all
of a sudden you came back. Yep,

1523
01:48:39.319 --> 01:48:45.000
And I was equally or more confused
now before we played the clip.

1524
01:48:45.000 --> 01:48:47.319
But I'm going to set this up
as long as I fucking want to,

1525
01:48:47.399 --> 01:48:49.880
so I don't give a shit if
I don't hit play for another hour and

1526
01:48:49.920 --> 01:48:53.279
a half. Okay, there were
things that need to be established here.

1527
01:48:54.079 --> 01:49:00.399
One of them is that you have
no idea, but the realization and comes

1528
01:49:00.399 --> 01:49:03.199
over your face. Your dad talked
about this. You realize that I'm about

1529
01:49:03.239 --> 01:49:09.600
to do something very naughty. And
what what do you remember about the first

1530
01:49:09.720 --> 01:49:12.520
maybe Q that you got that I
was up to something. I mean,

1531
01:49:12.720 --> 01:49:16.680
my disappearance was one thing, but
I start to make reference on the microphone

1532
01:49:16.720 --> 01:49:19.920
to a very special guest and stuff
like that. Do you remember when you

1533
01:49:19.920 --> 01:49:28.119
clicked in your mind? Yes,
because now I remember, I thought you'd

1534
01:49:28.119 --> 01:49:34.680
gone away to dress up as Vince
nick Mann. I thought you were going

1535
01:49:34.760 --> 01:49:40.800
to roast me as Vince Jick Mahnon. I planned on it, but I

1536
01:49:40.840 --> 01:49:47.800
couldn't find someone to play Janelle Grant
brother. All right, So when it

1537
01:49:47.840 --> 01:49:53.079
was clear, it was so when
it was you can take a pawn out

1538
01:49:53.079 --> 01:49:55.880
of that sentence? So what when? So when I come out not as

1539
01:49:55.960 --> 01:50:00.880
Vince, then what? I was
kind of confused? And then you said

1540
01:50:00.880 --> 01:50:09.640
a special guest and I really had
no clue, and then the music hit

1541
01:50:10.199 --> 01:50:20.960
it and it was just I mean, I went from from complete shock to

1542
01:50:21.000 --> 01:50:33.239
sheer joy to say he was hilarious, two nervous, and then concern.

1543
01:50:33.680 --> 01:50:38.840
Yeah, horrified right there, and
then sheer terror? Why were you?

1544
01:50:38.880 --> 01:50:48.239
Why? Terror? Terror? Because
I knew nobody outside of you, Curse

1545
01:50:49.920 --> 01:50:58.920
Bill and Omar knew who this Carnie
was. And I was like, what

1546
01:50:58.960 --> 01:51:00.479
the fuck are we going to do
with him now? And I was like,

1547
01:51:00.560 --> 01:51:04.640
all right, I got a sober
up. I'm like think and think

1548
01:51:05.199 --> 01:51:10.399
and start asking questions and go from
there. You're on now, pal,

1549
01:51:11.039 --> 01:51:14.960
Yeah, right, all of a
sudden, I had to perform, and

1550
01:51:15.000 --> 01:51:17.079
so did he. And so here's
the moment and all of its glory as

1551
01:51:17.119 --> 01:51:21.000
I make the announcement that we have
every special cast at JP's bachelor party.

1552
01:51:21.039 --> 01:51:29.239
Oh my god, what a goom
what a groom. You know, I've

1553
01:51:29.239 --> 01:51:31.920
got to choose to getting hit ahead
in a couple of times and get in

1554
01:51:31.960 --> 01:51:38.600
the case all formem. What is
that a reference to? Does anybody know?

1555
01:51:39.119 --> 01:51:46.119
Oh? It's ninety eight? Yes, Arn Anderson when he introduces the

1556
01:51:46.159 --> 01:51:50.000
new Horseman in Greenville, South Carolina, and doesn't introduce the returning Rick Flair,

1557
01:51:50.039 --> 01:51:53.840
and then he stops and goes,
what a goof? I forgot Rick

1558
01:51:53.920 --> 01:52:00.800
Flair? And so this is the
closest week you get to that. My

1559
01:52:00.880 --> 01:52:11.520
girl almost forgot our special. Now
you're nervous, there you go, Bill,

1560
01:52:16.000 --> 01:52:24.319
Oh, what's going? Well?
I'll try together. Yeah, you

1561
01:52:24.359 --> 01:52:26.399
just said get out of here?
Did you hear that? JP? Yes?

1562
01:52:26.439 --> 01:52:28.079
I did. Well. Were you
thinking get out of here? No?

1563
01:52:28.479 --> 01:52:31.279
I don't really know what I was
thinking. I don't think I knew

1564
01:52:31.479 --> 01:52:49.840
was virtual? Maybe I did.
Apparently he's arriving on the MBT a John

1565
01:52:49.920 --> 01:52:54.119
Sorrow just a sides you do a
Rick Flair straut in the middle of it.

1566
01:52:54.760 --> 01:52:59.880
That that because he's a special guest. That chaotic voice voice over in

1567
01:53:00.000 --> 01:53:03.640
her net protocol sound you just heard
is what phone sounded like when you recorded,

1568
01:53:03.840 --> 01:53:14.479
you know, forty guys screaming in
a basement back then you're the teddy

1569
01:53:14.520 --> 01:53:16.840
be asking music. This is where
it sunk in for you. Look at

1570
01:53:16.880 --> 01:53:20.000
you sit there looking at the back
with your hand on your mouth. How

1571
01:53:20.199 --> 01:54:08.720
terrified. Oh god, it was
so worth it for this. How ayahaya?

1572
01:54:09.319 --> 01:54:13.359
Dude, that's the biggest pop he
got ever in like twenty years.

1573
01:54:13.399 --> 01:54:16.880
There's no question. So all right, we're going around the horn, tim

1574
01:54:17.000 --> 01:54:26.920
your first thoughts. I was exuberant
that he was there. I mean,

1575
01:54:27.039 --> 01:54:31.399
it was It's what we had talked
about for a decade. Exactly. Yeah,

1576
01:54:31.800 --> 01:54:39.079
all right, Bill thoughts. Genuinely, even despite knowing ahead of time,

1577
01:54:39.600 --> 01:54:44.680
he seemed like someone who is too
famous, wow to get at something

1578
01:54:44.800 --> 01:54:48.720
like this, saying something oh yeah. But it was quickly dispelled, you

1579
01:54:48.760 --> 01:54:51.399
know after a few minutes, like, oh no, this is exactly where

1580
01:54:51.399 --> 01:54:58.760
he belongs. After his mouth,
Well, he needs a dirty table and

1581
01:54:58.800 --> 01:55:01.520
some headshots autographs. He didn't least, he didn't have that between us and

1582
01:55:01.600 --> 01:55:04.520
them. I was telling you,
we were talking about this before we connect

1583
01:55:04.560 --> 01:55:10.760
with you guys. This is three
years before the Lonely Virgil thing even happened,

1584
01:55:11.000 --> 01:55:14.359
before it became an internet meet.
This is this is years before he

1585
01:55:14.399 --> 01:55:17.640
ever had meat sauce as his calling
card. We got we started all this

1586
01:55:17.640 --> 01:55:20.039
ship. That's the way I look
at it. I mean, he didn't

1587
01:55:20.760 --> 01:55:24.359
no one knew of him as like
the guy that no one wanted to go

1588
01:55:24.399 --> 01:55:28.800
to his autograph table yet that hadn't
started the fucking what was it? The

1589
01:55:29.159 --> 01:55:33.560
tumbler, the lonely Virgil tumbler,
pip of him at empty desks at various

1590
01:55:33.600 --> 01:55:40.319
convention centers around the country, no
one giving a fuck about him making himself

1591
01:55:40.359 --> 01:55:45.640
available for pictures and autographs. Eric, your thoughts is that the guy that

1592
01:55:45.720 --> 01:55:48.720
hit the other guy with the belt? We're getting there, still googling after

1593
01:55:48.760 --> 01:55:54.039
all these years. Huh? So
he walks into here, like, who

1594
01:55:54.039 --> 01:55:56.920
the fuck is this? What are
these people going crazy for? This is

1595
01:55:56.920 --> 01:56:02.039
a perspective I need. Yeah,
for sure, I had. I had

1596
01:56:02.359 --> 01:56:08.520
very very little knowledge of what was
going on at that point. Oh,

1597
01:56:08.560 --> 01:56:12.479
Mark, I went on a bit
of a journey. I'll say, like,

1598
01:56:12.600 --> 01:56:15.760
I was fucking hyped, you know, talk to me about well they

1599
01:56:15.840 --> 01:56:18.920
have but so many black heroes and
interesting you know, good call. So

1600
01:56:18.960 --> 01:56:20.960
I'm like, I'm like, all
right, Virgil, let's fucking go.

1601
01:56:21.239 --> 01:56:24.199
Wait a minute, did Virgil mean
something to you as a kid. I

1602
01:56:24.199 --> 01:56:26.600
mean I was never talked about this
a little bit, you know, him

1603
01:56:26.640 --> 01:56:30.840
and Ahmed Johnson. Sure, sure
you know the story baby, like it's

1604
01:56:31.640 --> 01:56:34.640
it's wild. Yeah, like you
know, I was a little, very

1605
01:56:34.680 --> 01:56:39.119
little entitdn't care, but you know
we had I asked some representation that ship

1606
01:56:39.199 --> 01:56:46.840
matters totally. But much like Bill, the mystique started to fade. What

1607
01:56:47.359 --> 01:56:51.600
ship got going as we will uncover, you know, yeah maybe once you

1608
01:56:51.720 --> 01:56:56.680
noticed the zip ties on the belt
that did. Is't stop me. I

1609
01:56:56.760 --> 01:56:59.439
give a fuck. I mean,
hell, if he didn't come out to

1610
01:56:59.439 --> 01:57:01.279
his own music, then the zipcs
makes sense. Let's be real, that's

1611
01:57:01.279 --> 01:57:05.359
true. I was just talking to
JP about like, like, think about

1612
01:57:05.399 --> 01:57:10.159
John's friends, okay, his father's
friends. Like they know a wrestler's come

1613
01:57:10.159 --> 01:57:14.560
into this thing, and you imagine
who they pictured, right, like ultimate

1614
01:57:14.600 --> 01:57:17.840
warrior, like someone with face paint
on muscles, you know, as far

1615
01:57:17.880 --> 01:57:20.399
as the eye can see, a
guy who looks like a comic book in

1616
01:57:20.479 --> 01:57:25.800
Virgil in a hoodie walks through the
door, looking like any other person you've

1617
01:57:25.800 --> 01:57:30.880
ever seen in your life, And
I just can't, I just can't ever

1618
01:57:30.520 --> 01:57:36.520
let rest the thought of what their
internal monologue must have been so here.

1619
01:57:36.600 --> 01:57:59.119
Here's more, we're circling this man
like sharks. Look at my uncle,

1620
01:57:59.520 --> 01:58:02.119
uncle Mike, He's like, what
the fuck is this? Yeah, let's

1621
01:58:02.119 --> 01:58:05.640
see him right there in the middle. Yeah, you brought the bare table.

1622
01:58:05.720 --> 01:58:11.479
Like no one stands up when he
first walks in the room. Yes,

1623
01:58:12.800 --> 01:58:15.199
we're treating him like a friend.
We haven't seen like a decade.

1624
01:58:15.680 --> 01:58:19.079
I mean, I can't. Okay, he walks from the back of the

1625
01:58:19.119 --> 01:58:24.640
house to the front of the house
and we're just like pacing around him and

1626
01:58:24.680 --> 01:58:33.039
pointing at his bell. You brought
the belt. It's it's pathetic, of

1627
01:58:33.079 --> 01:58:39.359
course. What what were we watching
because that looked like Maury Povich with the

1628
01:58:39.479 --> 01:58:44.239
do rag on for a little while. Probably Vince's ECW champion, I don't

1629
01:58:44.279 --> 01:58:49.800
know, probably, but with the
zip ties. I originally thought, oh

1630
01:58:50.079 --> 01:58:56.039
is that how it always looked on
TV? Right? Well, that's he

1631
01:58:56.079 --> 01:58:59.520
tells us later. We know it
wasn't the real one because the real one,

1632
01:58:59.520 --> 01:59:02.119
according to and was four hundred pounds
and caused tend to be asty to

1633
01:59:02.119 --> 01:59:06.520
suffer four hundred stitches on his head. I mean, I told JP,

1634
01:59:06.640 --> 01:59:10.039
there's more whoppers than a burger king
on on the way right now. Let

1635
01:59:10.079 --> 01:59:13.920
me tell you, this guy is
about to start lying like you wouldn't believe.

1636
01:59:17.760 --> 01:59:32.079
Oh he has to say? Is
that is old school? He could

1637
01:59:32.079 --> 01:59:35.279
have said anything. He could have
said you you, you are the dumbest

1638
01:59:35.319 --> 01:59:39.600
bunch of motherfuckers I've ever seen in
my life. That we would have exploded

1639
01:59:39.640 --> 01:59:55.079
in cheers. Yeah, yeah,
baby, Looking at the rosy cheek there,

1640
01:59:55.159 --> 01:59:59.520
JP. Now I'm getting nervous for
sure. Look at the This is

1641
01:59:59.560 --> 02:00:05.359
what they would freeze frame, the
unsolved mysteries. I'm wondering what are we

1642
02:00:05.399 --> 02:00:09.800
going to do with them? Now? I mean this looks like a like

1643
02:00:09.840 --> 02:00:14.479
a impressionist pastiche right here, this
freeze frame, this is this is like

1644
02:00:14.600 --> 02:00:18.560
Dega of the on the night.
So what are you feeling here at JP?

1645
02:00:18.680 --> 02:00:24.560
Sorry to cut you off. Oh
no, I'm nervous because I'm wondering

1646
02:00:24.960 --> 02:00:28.920
what the hell are we going to
do with them? Now? He's here.

1647
02:00:29.720 --> 02:00:32.359
The shock has happened. He's contracted
to let me, let me consult

1648
02:00:32.359 --> 02:00:39.039
the contract. We've done the pun
two a line. Now what Yeah,

1649
02:00:39.600 --> 02:00:45.680
we're a minute and a half in. Is this over yet? Correct?

1650
02:00:48.560 --> 02:00:50.840
Yeah? You know, I'll take
this twice, but it just left it

1651
02:00:50.960 --> 02:01:03.439
right. Video straight up. He
wait, I am pacing. I'm not

1652
02:01:03.479 --> 02:01:09.680
ashamed to say I am pacing because
I'm having the same what's that your arms

1653
02:01:09.720 --> 02:01:14.920
folded across your that's my nervous fold. I'm thinking the exact thing. JP

1654
02:01:15.079 --> 02:01:17.600
is. Okay, he's actually now
standing in front of everybody like he's not

1655
02:01:17.640 --> 02:01:24.119
going to sit down. I should
have thought about that before I fucking you

1656
02:01:24.159 --> 02:01:36.159
know, cut into uh. John's
four O one k for this, right.

1657
02:01:43.760 --> 02:01:45.399
I love the guy, but there's
no way that everything he says is

1658
02:01:45.439 --> 02:01:53.680
that funny. Oh no, it's
it's just trying to create apps atmosphere so

1659
02:01:53.760 --> 02:02:00.079
that everyone else can think that it's
okay. It's completely not. What this

1660
02:02:00.319 --> 02:02:03.640
ultimately illustrates is what we talk about
all the time, the pain and shame

1661
02:02:03.680 --> 02:02:06.439
of being a wrestling fan, you
know, and like, how about you

1662
02:02:06.479 --> 02:02:13.720
have to overcompensate your whole life for
liking it, you know, And it's

1663
02:02:13.760 --> 02:02:18.279
it's it's full display here as we
as we try to make others feel comfortable

1664
02:02:18.479 --> 02:02:24.079
in the fact that we have done
this. Oh, I was nervous about

1665
02:02:24.079 --> 02:02:30.520
what I felt nervous at first to
approach him like Bill said he was.

1666
02:02:31.079 --> 02:02:35.279
He was a hero to a lot
of people, and he was faith and

1667
02:02:35.359 --> 02:02:39.680
I thought that he was. This
was below him, and I was nervous

1668
02:02:39.680 --> 02:02:43.600
to go up and say hi to
him. Wow, so you thought he

1669
02:02:43.640 --> 02:02:47.000
would be We went to that show
in Dan Barry and we and we saw

1670
02:02:47.000 --> 02:02:50.199
the honky talk man. But I
was too nervous to get his autographed because

1671
02:02:50.239 --> 02:02:54.119
he's a honky talk man. He
sure doesn't want to talk to me.

1672
02:02:54.960 --> 02:02:57.479
Well, that actually probably was true. He's he's, he's, he's,

1673
02:02:57.520 --> 02:03:00.399
he's a he's a rare breeding in
that regard. But now Virgil got right

1674
02:03:00.439 --> 02:03:02.119
in. He was telling jokes.
I don't know what. Do you remember

1675
02:03:02.119 --> 02:03:04.239
what he said there Jp when he
walked up to the bar, he said

1676
02:03:04.279 --> 02:03:08.960
something that popped everybody. Not a
clue. Probably just said like give me

1677
02:03:09.000 --> 02:03:12.600
a Jamison or something. I don't
know, there we go cock herd or

1678
02:03:12.640 --> 02:03:31.520
something. Yeah, I don't know
what I'm doing. You remember what I'm

1679
02:03:31.520 --> 02:03:36.640
doing? Though, I think you're
preparing, because because right after this you

1680
02:03:36.640 --> 02:03:41.159
start the interview portion, so I
think you're you're getting ready. I think

1681
02:03:41.159 --> 02:03:43.800
your tea and stuff up. I
think I was calling a getaway vehicles.

1682
02:03:43.800 --> 02:03:47.960
Probably what I was doing. I'm
just not realizing I'm the one taking that

1683
02:03:48.039 --> 02:03:51.760
picture. Oh that that flash we
just ye, which I just threw into

1684
02:03:51.800 --> 02:03:55.000
the chat. If you can see
it. Oh, let me look,

1685
02:03:55.439 --> 02:04:00.000
that's wild. Oh wow, that's
awesome. Tho. I have to say

1686
02:04:00.039 --> 02:04:02.199
say, the pictures look so great
from this night. They really do.

1687
02:04:02.760 --> 02:04:06.319
They put you right back there.
So yeah. The first thing we did

1688
02:04:06.479 --> 02:04:11.520
basically was get as many get as
many pictures of JP with his arm around

1689
02:04:11.600 --> 02:04:19.640
Virgil as we possibly could. It's
all we could think to do it first.

1690
02:04:20.319 --> 02:04:23.960
Now let the live start. You're
one of my favorites. I think

1691
02:04:23.960 --> 02:04:33.840
I just said that he was one
of my favorites on the runch. What

1692
02:04:34.079 --> 02:04:38.560
was that, Phil? What was
the order? Jamison on the rocks or

1693
02:04:38.600 --> 02:04:41.600
something like that? Does he come? Does come with the bushwhackers? To

1694
02:04:51.720 --> 02:04:58.079
last year? Paul? Paul just
got married last year? Who's Paul?

1695
02:04:58.159 --> 02:05:01.600
Do you think he's talking about triple
h Oh? He doesn't call him Paul.

1696
02:05:01.920 --> 02:05:14.920
I'm sure he does. It's fucking
so sad. Oh God, still

1697
02:05:15.920 --> 02:05:28.079
nothing making through it? Hiper b
be as forgets you forgets? Come on,

1698
02:05:28.159 --> 02:05:36.560
man, say something can't his marriage? So guys, if you go

1699
02:05:36.600 --> 02:05:44.720
to a bachelor party and you're you're
face to face with the groom to be

1700
02:05:45.840 --> 02:05:49.800
and you've been celebrated in this grand
way. Spirits are high. Do you

1701
02:05:49.840 --> 02:05:55.800
immediately transition into uh as many failed
marriage stories as you can possibly think of,

1702
02:05:55.840 --> 02:05:59.960
with the straight faith and absolutely no
hint of humor on your countenance.

1703
02:06:00.840 --> 02:06:02.359
I mean, what's he talking about
here, JP? Is he just talking

1704
02:06:02.359 --> 02:06:10.840
about like I mean, he seems
to be talking about failed wrestling relationships.

1705
02:06:13.279 --> 02:06:16.920
He starts talking about how hard it
is, like how hard of a business

1706
02:06:17.000 --> 02:06:21.720
it is, and then he specific
He's like, you know, one time

1707
02:06:21.760 --> 02:06:26.000
I was on the road for four
months at a time, which sounds like

1708
02:06:26.000 --> 02:06:29.159
a lot. But again, I'm
I would think as a professional wrestling you'd

1709
02:06:29.159 --> 02:06:33.119
be on the road for even longer. But you are eating this up though,

1710
02:06:33.239 --> 02:06:35.960
or at least it appears that way. I didn't realize you were scared.

1711
02:06:38.760 --> 02:06:44.279
You appear to be eating this every
last bit. JP. I'm I

1712
02:06:44.319 --> 02:06:53.479
absolutely was. I was at least
lit enough that it all mattered. Well,

1713
02:06:53.520 --> 02:06:58.159
I think we've landed on the title
of your memoirs, lit enough that

1714
02:06:58.199 --> 02:07:08.439
it all mattered. Here we go, wrestling man just destroy destroys you.

1715
02:07:09.119 --> 02:07:12.600
That quote. He comes to your
bachelor party and looks at you in the

1716
02:07:12.600 --> 02:07:18.560
face and goes wrestling man just destroys
you. Thanks, Verge, my childhood

1717
02:07:19.520 --> 02:07:28.600
alive and your bar on the road
car out on the road. Four months,

1718
02:07:29.880 --> 02:07:39.760
oh there is four months straight.
So I decided to do this like

1719
02:07:39.800 --> 02:07:43.079
a Q and A style because everyone's
just standing there looking at you talking to

1720
02:07:43.159 --> 02:07:45.199
him anyway, and no one can
hear what he's saying. Yeah, I

1721
02:07:45.199 --> 02:07:51.000
mean, my uncle's are like,
what the fuck? Who is this clown?

1722
02:07:53.880 --> 02:07:56.840
And the thing is, if we
explain to them who this clown was,

1723
02:07:56.880 --> 02:08:01.960
it would be even worse. It
ten times worse a safe jack.

1724
02:08:05.279 --> 02:08:07.119
I don't know. I just felt
like something had to be done because I

1725
02:08:07.199 --> 02:08:09.720
knew he wasn't gonna he wasn't gonna
take the mic, so I had to

1726
02:08:09.760 --> 02:08:11.039
like force him, and I knew
I could ask him some funny questions,

1727
02:08:11.039 --> 02:08:15.760
but uh, he delivers here and
this is where this is where he goes

1728
02:08:15.800 --> 02:08:20.039
in a full Virgil mode, like, Okay, the people in this room

1729
02:08:20.119 --> 02:08:22.760
know nothing about wrestling, and they
don't believe a word he says. He

1730
02:08:22.800 --> 02:08:26.720
can't he can't convince these people who
don't know the first thing about wrestlers,

1731
02:08:26.800 --> 02:08:31.520
you know, proclivities to lie that
what he's that the figures in particular that

1732
02:08:31.560 --> 02:08:37.159
he's dropping are anywhere in the universe
of true about this? Okay, tell

1733
02:08:37.239 --> 02:08:43.520
us a story about some crazy ring
rack, some crazy uh, some crazy

1734
02:08:43.600 --> 02:08:58.439
bit you man after a show?
This show? I see, I got

1735
02:08:58.439 --> 02:09:01.880
a week one man? Oh yeah, see. I knew if I'm talking

1736
02:09:01.880 --> 02:09:05.640
to him already ahead of time that
he could go on like, you know,

1737
02:09:05.079 --> 02:09:13.239
fucking sex and can't be the door, Yeah, Camper Arena where Owen

1738
02:09:13.279 --> 02:09:24.399
Heart died? Do for that thing? Man? I we're being here.

1739
02:09:24.439 --> 02:09:30.520
Our program we had like maybe one
hundred billion dollar program. Okay, here

1740
02:09:30.560 --> 02:09:37.720
we go. I believe what he
just said was me and Ted when we

1741
02:09:37.720 --> 02:09:43.079
were working together, had a one
hundred million dollar program. Now what does

1742
02:09:43.079 --> 02:09:48.720
it even mean to assign a dollar
figure to a program in the first place

1743
02:09:48.640 --> 02:09:52.159
alone? I'm not even gonna quibble
with the figure, although it's very easy

1744
02:09:52.199 --> 02:09:58.640
to What do you is that?
How many tickets you sold in aggregate?

1745
02:09:58.640 --> 02:10:01.560
Do you keep track of? Sick? What are you talking about? A

1746
02:10:01.680 --> 02:10:07.479
one hundred Okay? Right? Do
we have an unexpected guest here that I

1747
02:10:07.520 --> 02:10:13.439
didn't know about? Oh? Oh
you know what? Fuck it fine?

1748
02:10:13.479 --> 02:10:16.439
Virtual? Just what did you say
on JP's birthday message? This is former

1749
02:10:18.319 --> 02:10:26.319
WWF Wrestling superstar version, the godfather
of the meat sauce Mafia. JP.

1750
02:10:26.960 --> 02:10:33.760
Your dance said, you are turning
forty. Well as my gift to you,

1751
02:10:33.479 --> 02:10:39.479
you are now part of the meat
sauce mafia. Can't believe it.

1752
02:10:39.199 --> 02:10:48.359
Your dad just gave me a great
payday A sauce pasta Hell yeah, JP,

1753
02:10:48.720 --> 02:11:00.720
have fun racking and that fuck money
base so mean normal. The problem

1754
02:11:01.000 --> 02:11:07.119
what he says, does the meat
sauce come without any prompting? Does the

1755
02:11:07.199 --> 02:11:15.000
meat sauce come with pasta? Hell
yeah? And I can't tell you how

1756
02:11:15.119 --> 02:11:18.560
grateful I am that he clarified.
All right, so one hundred million dollar

1757
02:11:18.600 --> 02:11:20.640
program. Yeah, I'm at a
loss. I don't know what he's talking

1758
02:11:20.640 --> 02:11:26.560
about. More to come from that
file. Okay, So Vince took us

1759
02:11:26.640 --> 02:11:37.359
from Restland Entertainment. Entertainment. We
just finished sing that lifestyle and is attainments

1760
02:11:37.520 --> 02:11:41.119
Rob and Leap, Sure, okay, that's a shoot. They were on

1761
02:11:41.239 --> 02:11:45.159
Lifestyles of the Rich and famous.
It was it was. It wasn't his

1762
02:11:45.319 --> 02:11:48.079
house though a hyenas it was.
It wasn't Vince's either. I don't think

1763
02:11:48.079 --> 02:11:50.760
it was like somebody else as they
used as a stand in for the million

1764
02:11:50.800 --> 02:11:58.560
dollar man's house, so that they
showed him here at life home. They

1765
02:11:58.600 --> 02:12:05.000
showed me cheap at home. You're
Stampord, Connectian. Okay, at forty

1766
02:12:05.119 --> 02:12:09.920
one million? All right, Zilo
dot com, here we go. So

1767
02:12:09.079 --> 02:12:13.239
he just said the cheapest house in
nineteen eighty seven in Greenwich, Connecticut was

1768
02:12:13.640 --> 02:12:20.720
forty one million dollars. Oh my
god. So let's see uh inflation adjusted

1769
02:12:20.840 --> 02:12:24.359
values. Okay, I am seeing
a forty seven million dollar house. I'll

1770
02:12:24.359 --> 02:12:26.760
give him that. But let's sort. Let's sort load to high. What

1771
02:12:26.840 --> 02:12:30.760
do you say, what do you
think the lowest cost house I see here

1772
02:12:30.880 --> 02:12:31.680
is? Do you think it's forty
seven million? Or do you think it's

1773
02:12:31.680 --> 02:12:35.560
closer to four hundred and sixty five
thousand dollars? Yeah? That one?

1774
02:12:35.680 --> 02:12:39.760
What would you venture? Okay?
So the whoppers are coming off the assembly

1775
02:12:39.840 --> 02:12:48.239
line with cheese. That's what's so
calling to me. Oh cheese is right.

1776
02:12:48.560 --> 02:12:56.119
And the whole extrinsive was send home, they send you can call madign.

1777
02:13:03.920 --> 02:13:07.359
Remember they used to say DBS makes
his summer residence in the in the

1778
02:13:07.399 --> 02:13:18.760
Netherlands Antillis. Remember that, Yes, yes, international million dollars. All

1779
02:13:18.840 --> 02:13:24.319
right, there's a seven hundred and
ten million dollar property. Well, he's

1780
02:13:24.359 --> 02:13:33.479
adjusting for inflation the wrong way.
Obviously, the man nineteen years billion.

1781
02:13:33.359 --> 02:13:37.680
No one believes a word coming out
of his mouth. And he's been talking

1782
02:13:37.760 --> 02:13:50.840
for four minutes. Yeah, like
General fifty or magazine about exactly what about

1783
02:13:50.880 --> 02:13:56.520
the pussy Bringing it back to what
matters? Bill? What was that?

1784
02:13:56.640 --> 02:14:01.199
When were you the one that went
okay, like, oh international, huh

1785
02:14:01.319 --> 02:14:11.399
cool? You know, uh yeah, he's not getting the hint on the

1786
02:14:11.520 --> 02:14:18.319
story. I mean when we were
like men started getting right, not the

1787
02:14:18.640 --> 02:14:24.560
rats. We were getting right.
Women we were getting, not the rats,

1788
02:14:24.600 --> 02:14:31.880
we were getting women coming. They
showed up. We can't see the

1789
02:14:31.920 --> 02:14:37.439
missour at my hotel. He showed
up. I said, don't come to

1790
02:14:37.560 --> 02:14:43.199
the later women. What was that, Bill? I missed what he said?

1791
02:14:43.840 --> 02:14:46.760
You know again, like JP said, I have no idea, but

1792
02:14:48.079 --> 02:14:52.520
just like keep keep the atmosphere light
and eat what you did? You know

1793
02:14:52.600 --> 02:14:58.479
what? What? What's what?
The most the most supreme irony is that

1794
02:14:58.640 --> 02:15:03.359
if all the people in the room
were working the hardest in my working I

1795
02:15:03.479 --> 02:15:09.199
mean in the wrestling sense, we're
all pretending to have a blast. They

1796
02:15:09.239 --> 02:15:13.119
are waiting for you. Where I
got that when I got that in arena

1797
02:15:13.560 --> 02:15:18.920
from ship for arena, through that
camera to the hotel. Nothing in the

1798
02:15:18.000 --> 02:15:24.840
rest of my room. I think
over up here there wasn't How do you

1799
02:15:24.880 --> 02:15:33.840
look at Si spreads? Okay,
nothing one springs, nothing on? But

1800
02:15:33.279 --> 02:15:48.279
then he says you had a G
string on? Yeah? Right? Was

1801
02:15:48.319 --> 02:15:54.720
that your dad? What do you
ask? Scene? Non existent nylon?

1802
02:15:56.279 --> 02:15:58.680
Is that what it was? I
think? So, oh my god,

1803
02:15:58.039 --> 02:16:03.479
thank you Bill. Oh yeah,
man, mess up a lot of marriage.

1804
02:16:07.880 --> 02:16:11.880
There we go again. I said, watching on your marriage. If

1805
02:16:11.920 --> 02:16:20.560
you get I mean marriage, brit
if you find the right person, yeah,

1806
02:16:20.720 --> 02:16:28.680
okay, the the right got to
show that to a boss, Yeah

1807
02:16:28.680 --> 02:16:35.559
I will right, woman cross.
Then I've seen the ant I think.

1808
02:16:35.920 --> 02:16:39.079
I think Hala is great. Man, you just bring the whole up.

1809
02:16:41.040 --> 02:16:48.399
It's a great marriage. I would
ask Eric, what you don't know much

1810
02:16:48.399 --> 02:16:50.959
about wrestling. What do you know
about he's marriage? Do you think of

1811
02:16:52.000 --> 02:16:58.079
it as a as something that ended
well? To my knowledge? No,

1812
02:16:58.360 --> 02:17:05.120
that was not a good example,
no doubt. Scott Oh Marty thoughts on

1813
02:17:05.239 --> 02:17:13.159
the harmony that was Hogan and Linda. Here's isn't is it? He's too

1814
02:17:13.239 --> 02:17:18.799
hip? I can't even I can't
even have him sit in the non t

1815
02:17:18.959 --> 02:17:22.040
n H chair anymore. He knows
all the yes. All right, that's

1816
02:17:22.040 --> 02:17:28.040
all good. You get that right
on the on the phizzizzle. So let's

1817
02:17:28.040 --> 02:17:33.000
get some more from the verge is
right? I mean, but he is

1818
02:17:33.079 --> 02:17:39.319
your father. I mean like he
got the worst he did by charge,

1819
02:17:39.360 --> 02:17:43.040
White, said Nick. But who's
County Virgil monitoring? How old brook is

1820
02:17:43.120 --> 02:17:50.000
interesting? Twenty three? I think
so he's a great father, man,

1821
02:17:50.920 --> 02:17:58.639
I mean he's great ut nine fifty
five, so prety five? Man,

1822
02:17:58.760 --> 02:18:07.520
well much, I don't know what
that's about. You were big you're talking

1823
02:18:07.520 --> 02:18:24.360
about? I think this is it'
that's sir. You have to know he

1824
02:18:24.440 --> 02:18:26.479
got up, he took a bow, He gave a little hand signal before

1825
02:18:26.600 --> 02:18:31.440
that. Like me, so glad
that's on video because that's one of my

1826
02:18:31.600 --> 02:18:35.280
most resonant memories. And I always
feel like, am I fudging it a

1827
02:18:35.319 --> 02:18:39.159
little bit? Am I like exaggerating
how perfectly he reacted to the question.

1828
02:18:39.319 --> 02:18:43.159
No, I'm not. It was
where he was ready to go, because

1829
02:18:43.319 --> 02:18:58.600
he's never been shy about his fucking
night stick sized Marley spliff just drawing on

1830
02:18:58.680 --> 02:19:07.040
the blue right used to draw me
on the board. That's okay to draw

1831
02:19:07.159 --> 02:19:18.079
me on the board. I hang
one hanging on the true. OK,

1832
02:19:20.399 --> 02:19:31.120
what to say? Yeah, I
can't believe who said yeah I like that?

1833
02:19:31.239 --> 02:19:35.719
Who is that? I'm sorry,
I think that's me. It's who

1834
02:19:35.520 --> 02:19:39.920
it might be omar, Oh my
god, Wow, I told you I

1835
02:19:39.079 --> 02:19:45.520
was hype. It's so great dude
the way yeah, like go off.

1836
02:19:45.920 --> 02:19:48.200
He's like he's talking about how his
dick is so long you can't hang him

1837
02:19:48.239 --> 02:19:52.799
by his neck. Right, is
that what he's saying. It's a tripod,

1838
02:19:52.920 --> 02:19:56.079
right, and they love it the
people, the people love it so

1839
02:19:56.239 --> 02:20:03.079
much. People need it. Yeah, I wouldn't drop you know, like

1840
02:20:05.639 --> 02:20:11.159
who uh black that morning? And
then I've lived a black Jack land.

1841
02:20:11.200 --> 02:20:15.879
But some lands I try to think, you don't go ahead? But he

1842
02:20:16.079 --> 02:20:22.159
little ring back and ship like that, so uh he dropped off. He's

1843
02:20:22.159 --> 02:20:41.040
got a bang and of WLD rack
crawl under the door. The records opened

1844
02:20:41.079 --> 02:20:48.079
the door, Like, okay,
tell me those are some breath he laughs.

1845
02:20:48.120 --> 02:20:52.559
But what he's saying. What he's
saying is, you know Blackjack LANDSA

1846
02:20:52.600 --> 02:20:54.840
would be in the room fucking somebody, and his deck was so long it

1847
02:20:54.920 --> 02:21:05.879
could come under the door like a
python and just interject. Also have a

1848
02:21:07.000 --> 02:21:09.959
nice stetson hat as well. That
was only when he's in the West Texas

1849
02:21:11.040 --> 02:21:16.799
rednecks. Do we think that he
actually believes what do you sing? Well,

1850
02:21:16.840 --> 02:21:18.959
I don't think he believes that his
dick would go under the door.

1851
02:21:20.079 --> 02:21:24.479
No, are you sure? Yeah, I'm pretty sure. But you know,

1852
02:21:24.520 --> 02:21:26.520
it's probably an old story they used
to tell. I mean, if

1853
02:21:26.559 --> 02:21:30.920
it's true that they used to joke
about the size of his of his package,

1854
02:21:30.920 --> 02:21:33.479
then they probably that probably is a
real thing that they would have that

1855
02:21:33.600 --> 02:21:37.280
joke. I believe that. So
there you go a little bit of truth

1856
02:21:37.319 --> 02:21:46.280
from Virgil. Yeah, man,
so tell us this, that's the weirdest

1857
02:21:46.319 --> 02:22:03.879
pals thing you've never been hired to
do by ted was hired before to tell

1858
02:22:03.959 --> 02:22:11.319
a story. Kelly was going to
books Venger. So we were were Soon's

1859
02:22:11.360 --> 02:22:16.840
yacht. Maybe told the whole story, and Teddy told this whole thing out

1860
02:22:16.639 --> 02:22:22.680
I mean for his wife to take
him back. M Okay, there we

1861
02:22:22.760 --> 02:22:24.440
go again, strive on. I
asked him what the weirdest thing he's ever

1862
02:22:24.520 --> 02:22:28.200
gotten paid to do was, and
I think he's saying someone paid him to

1863
02:22:28.239 --> 02:22:31.959
tell a story on Ted Dibassi's yacht. Am I picture? Am I kitching?

1864
02:22:31.000 --> 02:22:35.520
That right on Martha's vineyard. It's
like a yacht. It's like mad

1865
02:22:35.600 --> 02:22:41.319
lives at this point. Yeah,
real good send of minister Teddy gas billion

1866
02:22:41.319 --> 02:22:43.959
dollars. I'm the rider dollar man, a billion dollars champion. Yeah,

1867
02:22:45.079 --> 02:22:50.879
I mean Eddy, uh, I
mean this this business going grew his marriage.

1868
02:22:50.000 --> 02:22:54.360
Man, he doesn't know. There's
a book you ere. You ever

1869
02:22:54.399 --> 02:22:58.159
get a poke in the book and
read it. Man, he came out

1870
02:22:58.639 --> 02:23:03.920
and told everything and now wore for
his wife to come back. A kid's

1871
02:23:03.040 --> 02:23:09.239
best friend is a minister, so
a nineteen hive in city when he minister,

1872
02:23:11.680 --> 02:23:16.959
ok, no, hope that marriage, man, get that marriage back

1873
02:23:16.000 --> 02:23:24.600
together because reality way bye bye man
for me, what let me ask you

1874
02:23:24.680 --> 02:23:26.600
this for? When then we we
got to turn over some of the other

1875
02:23:26.600 --> 02:23:33.920
guys rose mister of sorrow here,
Ah what marriage mine for mister sorrow?

1876
02:23:33.040 --> 02:23:37.440
But he's not even married. He's
never been closed and married this day.

1877
02:23:37.799 --> 02:23:41.559
I mean about my mother. My
mother was married to a navy seal.

1878
02:23:43.040 --> 02:23:46.159
Okay, I had some good until
my mother was married to a navy seal.

1879
02:23:46.239 --> 02:23:46.920
I did not know. Yeah,
I didn't know that, Nate,

1880
02:23:48.000 --> 02:23:50.559
And I was like, why do
I think Virgil comes from a military family.

1881
02:23:50.639 --> 02:23:54.239
I can't find anything online that explains
why I think that. It's because

1882
02:23:54.239 --> 02:23:56.520
he said that here and it stuck
in the back of my mind somewhere.

1883
02:23:58.520 --> 02:24:03.159
And that's rough marriage. Okay,
bold Man had all the day in the

1884
02:24:03.280 --> 02:24:09.559
house. Okay, so my mother
understood that. Okay, I mean he

1885
02:24:09.639 --> 02:24:16.040
gets the last word all the time. And then mo Man told me to

1886
02:24:16.920 --> 02:24:20.639
embarrass is like a job. You
got to make them work every day,

1887
02:24:22.639 --> 02:24:28.719
man, especially like him. That
mean he had a huge balls, short

1888
02:24:28.920 --> 02:24:37.680
short few definitely showed that the show
any day that it was all like,

1889
02:24:39.840 --> 02:24:46.079
you know, like that, you're
gonna make embarrage work every day? Man,

1890
02:24:46.520 --> 02:24:52.040
Right, I do want to ask
you know what JP is like?

1891
02:24:52.120 --> 02:24:56.959
Now you're going to ask is Mark
question? One of my favorite matches that

1892
02:24:58.040 --> 02:25:01.159
you had and you're washing up with, uh the commers plan is Eric?

1893
02:25:01.200 --> 02:25:03.639
He looks look at Eric. He
looks fucking thrilled, doesn't he look?

1894
02:25:05.719 --> 02:25:07.399
So what's going through your mind?
Eric, I got eyes on you.

1895
02:25:09.399 --> 02:25:18.799
I'm still googling. Yeah, all
dream on the means yeah, yeah,

1896
02:25:20.559 --> 02:25:28.840
he was as all right, you
remember it was in the back when you

1897
02:25:28.959 --> 02:25:35.200
want when you beat him, they
were huge reaction was in cans and it

1898
02:25:35.319 --> 02:25:37.520
was amazing and like, what was
what was it like for you to kind

1899
02:25:37.559 --> 02:25:41.879
of happen to have that kind of
crowd behind your back the whole time?

1900
02:25:43.360 --> 02:25:46.120
Did you hear the pop like that? Oh? They do many build jp

1901
02:25:46.319 --> 02:25:52.079
with the director's thing after the screening
question. Yeah, absolutely totally. That

1902
02:25:54.000 --> 02:25:58.360
was a year program, six years. Did we check on that right?

1903
02:25:58.600 --> 02:26:03.799
Because field it up, build it
up, field it up, build it

1904
02:26:03.920 --> 02:26:07.000
up. You give a little bit, but you don't get a really say

1905
02:26:07.440 --> 02:26:20.120
sexual reference incoming, you know how
you we don't get everything, but you

1906
02:26:20.200 --> 02:26:28.879
never enough. We don't give a
well I really want that's definitely right way

1907
02:26:28.319 --> 02:26:33.479
the idage which you want this you
will fall him over to give her a

1908
02:26:33.479 --> 02:26:35.280
little bit, a little bit,
a little bit, but you don't give

1909
02:26:35.280 --> 02:26:37.600
her what she wants until you do, and then she's going to fall in

1910
02:26:37.639 --> 02:26:39.920
love with you. That's how he
describes the slow burn of his program,

1911
02:26:41.120 --> 02:26:48.879
his one hundred and forty million dollar
program with Friday. The forty million dollar

1912
02:26:50.000 --> 02:26:54.680
man, Well, Hogan did used
to say he's a multi million billion dollar

1913
02:26:54.799 --> 02:27:07.239
man. He thought, I don't
know what Hogan thought that if he called

1914
02:27:07.280 --> 02:27:11.360
them the multi million dollar man,
that it was like an insult. Yeah,

1915
02:27:11.440 --> 02:27:16.079
but it was like it was like
a red scarlet letter that he would

1916
02:27:16.159 --> 02:27:20.319
he'd call it in these promos,
the multi million dollars. Come on,

1917
02:27:20.559 --> 02:27:26.360
dude, the multi million dollar man, Like it's like it's an insult,

1918
02:27:26.559 --> 02:27:33.360
Like he's better off with multimillion dollars. People on television a little, a

1919
02:27:33.520 --> 02:27:37.600
little, a little when you think
you're going to give him something, and

1920
02:27:37.680 --> 02:27:41.399
they reached away a little little.
When you reach for it, you pull

1921
02:27:41.440 --> 02:27:46.520
it away. We're bringing it home
here with words to lift here, pull

1922
02:27:46.520 --> 02:27:50.200
it right back. So we did
like that for like six years. So

1923
02:27:50.079 --> 02:27:54.920
I finally happened, and that's just
their run a summer friend. He did

1924
02:27:54.040 --> 02:28:01.799
mall long and then they pop like
that and it popped so much man to

1925
02:28:01.959 --> 02:28:07.719
go off the wall. And then
we gave them enough at WrestleMania. It

1926
02:28:07.879 --> 02:28:20.319
was Wressellmania, right, give the
nuk man. We the red on it.

1927
02:28:20.319 --> 02:28:26.959
But we use Piper like that where
they don't give a fool set up.

1928
02:28:26.719 --> 02:28:31.559
He's give them enough to keep a
whistle with then going to keep on

1929
02:28:31.680 --> 02:28:37.040
buying that paper. And there's any
wheel too. That guy that moment at

1930
02:28:37.079 --> 02:28:39.959
the Royal Rumble that here smack them
in the head with the bell. Oh

1931
02:28:41.079 --> 02:28:43.920
yeah, it's just a yeah,
same time. Like you said that,

1932
02:28:48.840 --> 02:28:50.920
it's fucking phenomenal. Bill, Well, how did you tell me about the

1933
02:28:50.959 --> 02:28:58.479
inspiration that struck at that moment?
I was trying to engage my Emerson art.

1934
02:28:58.639 --> 02:29:01.399
Yeah, I was gonna say a
degree put to use? Yeah?

1935
02:29:01.680 --> 02:29:09.399
Is it closest you probably ever put
your degree to use? Wow, it's

1936
02:29:09.440 --> 02:29:13.079
so awesome, dude, I can't
even tell you how funny it is that

1937
02:29:13.159 --> 02:29:20.040
he into the belt when he referenced
it. It was your moment, fucking

1938
02:29:20.120 --> 02:29:26.040
Felini over here. I love it
so much. All right, So he's

1939
02:29:26.079 --> 02:29:30.520
about to tell a huge lie about
the belt and what it did to Teddy

1940
02:29:30.559 --> 02:29:35.680
Biassi's head. How body there was
so great? You smashed him? And

1941
02:29:35.799 --> 02:29:39.840
he said he did great, He
did a great, Mike. He just

1942
02:29:41.520 --> 02:29:43.639
remember, I hope you do that
from the hand that belt. He gave

1943
02:29:43.760 --> 02:29:56.600
them a cussing and one hundred and
he looked across there right there, one

1944
02:29:56.719 --> 02:30:00.000
hundred and fourth, what's it?
What's up with the kind of hudder?

1945
02:30:00.120 --> 02:30:05.280
Forty wasn't one hundred forty million before? Yes, wrestling fans have been tricked

1946
02:30:05.280 --> 02:30:09.799
again by one hundred I think was
one hundred forty one fifty. Oh yeah,

1947
02:30:11.079 --> 02:30:15.079
mateen, things are only replica.
That's your replica right there. Ye

1948
02:30:16.120 --> 02:30:18.280
see he was honest. It's the
replica belt. Yeah, yeah, the

1949
02:30:18.399 --> 02:30:26.399
bolt is a standing of editor.
The real belt way seventy to comb seventy

1950
02:30:26.520 --> 02:30:31.959
two pounds. Yeah, the real
vault right now will falling on five five

1951
02:30:31.040 --> 02:30:37.040
million dollars. Another forties, that's
another forties, forty five million dollars,

1952
02:30:37.079 --> 02:30:45.040
he says. The belt is worth
Yes, that's a problem. Hitting play

1953
02:30:45.719 --> 02:30:52.159
the nineteen eighty seven adult who was
made in Ben's jewels. And there's British

1954
02:30:52.200 --> 02:31:00.799
today, Okay, all nineteen eighty
seven were like, I think seventy four

1955
02:31:00.879 --> 02:31:07.159
dollars a hounce, So that belt
was worth nine Virgil on gold prices,

1956
02:31:09.600 --> 02:31:15.920
set out the value expert? Did
an you guys ever hear about the gold

1957
02:31:16.000 --> 02:31:26.680
standard? Seventy more thousandgmin and okay, two thousand and twelve. Now,

1958
02:31:26.280 --> 02:31:35.079
so that belt now is what twenty
seven doll house hold on, Virgil,

1959
02:31:35.079 --> 02:31:37.920
I get the Wall Street Journal right
here. Hold on a second, let

1960
02:31:39.000 --> 02:31:43.639
me see how much gold is trading
for right now on the nasdak. He

1961
02:31:43.799 --> 02:31:50.920
keeps up on goldworth. Yeah,
he clearly does so that belt right now

1962
02:31:50.000 --> 02:31:58.920
about paying forty five and forty and
that's it you, Uh, all right.

1963
02:32:01.079 --> 02:32:03.840
I don't know what just happened,
but I'm glad it did. And

1964
02:32:03.959 --> 02:32:07.760
we're going to close out our recollection
on this most famous of nights. As

1965
02:32:07.799 --> 02:32:11.879
it regards Virgil, the only,
the only acceptable reason to have a tribute

1966
02:32:11.879 --> 02:32:15.799
show to the man was something like
this. We did it, we saw,

1967
02:32:15.920 --> 02:32:18.879
we came, we conquered Eric.
Actually, Omar, I'm gonna start

1968
02:32:18.879 --> 02:32:22.639
with you, because you didn't circle
back to the restaurant afterwards, so you

1969
02:32:22.680 --> 02:32:26.719
didn't get that post show view of
Virgil. So I'm going to turn the

1970
02:32:26.799 --> 02:32:31.959
floor over to you. Closing thoughts
having heard wisdom from the Book of Virgil,

1971
02:32:31.840 --> 02:32:37.040
and just thoughts on this night,
as we've lost Mike Jones, who

1972
02:32:37.079 --> 02:32:39.280
knows exactly how old he really was. It turns out he was lying about

1973
02:32:39.280 --> 02:32:43.159
his birthdate all these years. I
think he was seventy two when he died

1974
02:32:43.200 --> 02:32:48.520
on February twenty eight, born in
nineteen fifty four. Okay, well,

1975
02:32:48.639 --> 02:32:52.639
whatever the case, he's no longer
with us, and Omar, your closing

1976
02:32:52.680 --> 02:32:56.280
thoughts on this night, having had
the chance to relive it in three hundred

1977
02:32:56.319 --> 02:33:01.959
p Damn, I might even worked
us on his age. What a fucking

1978
02:33:03.079 --> 02:33:07.319
night, Like, thank you to
Jack and JP's daff even like organizing this

1979
02:33:07.399 --> 02:33:09.040
shit. Yeah, we're getting to
the reason we're doing the show. Oh

1980
02:33:09.120 --> 02:33:15.520
my god, Like it's just yet
another example of how this bullshit brings us

1981
02:33:15.600 --> 02:33:18.360
together. That's right, man,
that's right. I just fucking love this.

1982
02:33:18.559 --> 02:33:22.399
Like, you know, as much
as I miss my ideals about the

1983
02:33:22.479 --> 02:33:28.280
man, I'll always hold on to
the memories we've like built around this weird

1984
02:33:28.360 --> 02:33:31.840
thing we love and with him.
It's so true that that that's what wrestling

1985
02:33:31.879 --> 02:33:35.840
does. That's why wrestling fans seek
each other even in their forties, because

1986
02:33:35.840 --> 02:33:39.399
it's like it's like it's hard to
not have something someone else to like connect

1987
02:33:39.440 --> 02:33:41.920
with on this stuff because it's it's
a night. It's an isolating thing to

1988
02:33:43.000 --> 02:33:46.000
be into. Looking back at the
video, Omar, did you notice anything?

1989
02:33:46.079 --> 02:33:48.680
Did did anything take you by surprise? Oh? That wasn't exactly how

1990
02:33:48.680 --> 02:33:52.079
I remembered it, Or that was
exactly how I remembered it. No,

1991
02:33:52.239 --> 02:33:54.840
that was exactly how I remembered it. Just like that dusky gass room I

1992
02:33:54.840 --> 02:33:58.200
remember like squeezing through the entrance and
then like opening up into that area,

1993
02:34:00.120 --> 02:34:05.200
not really knowing what to expect or
who to expect. And yeah, again

1994
02:34:05.319 --> 02:34:11.520
the mystique fading this like veneer of
like wow, this wrestling superstar is here

1995
02:34:11.559 --> 02:34:13.639
in our presence, and then him
talking about like ring rats and ship you

1996
02:34:13.719 --> 02:34:20.879
know that fat you No, no, no, he was brilliantly uh interviewed

1997
02:34:20.000 --> 02:34:24.719
because the best at that as you
know. But I mean, you know,

1998
02:34:24.000 --> 02:34:28.760
like in his humanization of that time
we had. I don't know,

1999
02:34:28.920 --> 02:34:33.680
I think I appreciated him a little
bit more love it had you like gom

2000
02:34:33.760 --> 02:34:39.360
there to the cigar bar. No, we went to a lot of places

2001
02:34:39.360 --> 02:34:41.360
in the North End together, but
never there. That was my first time.

2002
02:34:41.520 --> 02:34:45.200
Only time you had the stake.
He know's I'd take it no more.

2003
02:34:46.000 --> 02:34:48.959
Oh yeah, come on, many
times this ain't a game. We

2004
02:34:50.000 --> 02:34:52.040
sh just took Virgil there. I
don't know if it was open, but

2005
02:34:52.159 --> 02:34:54.040
he wanted pasta. I was like, well, we're in the North End.

2006
02:34:54.079 --> 02:34:56.079
I mean, I guess I can't
say no. Yeah, that's when

2007
02:34:56.079 --> 02:34:58.760
I had the dip yard. Were
just that's when the meat sauce shit started

2008
02:34:58.760 --> 02:35:01.280
having And then I had like a
show like I was coming from a show

2009
02:35:01.680 --> 02:35:05.840
to see y'a and then I had
to leave because of it. I see,

2010
02:35:05.920 --> 02:35:07.399
well, you didn't miss much,
but we'll give you a little bit

2011
02:35:07.399 --> 02:35:09.799
of glimas to you and to what
you missed. I know it's true.

2012
02:35:11.239 --> 02:35:13.680
I'm just happy it's over by this
point because he actually showed up, so

2013
02:35:13.799 --> 02:35:18.280
it's all upside for me. All
right, we'll go to Eric. Eric.

2014
02:35:18.319 --> 02:35:22.360
You you joined us right for the
post festivities. Yes, I actually

2015
02:35:22.399 --> 02:35:26.440
got stuck with the bill that night. Wow, you still remember that.

2016
02:35:26.680 --> 02:35:31.680
I'll send you the money. How
much was it? No clue? Okay,

2017
02:35:31.920 --> 02:35:35.840
Solar Systems got your back. So
what do you remember about the aftermath?

2018
02:35:35.879 --> 02:35:41.520
Everyone's filing out, but Virgil's hungry, right right. Virgil's hungry,

2019
02:35:41.879 --> 02:35:48.120
and he keeps saying he wants meat
sauce, over and over. That's all.

2020
02:35:48.200 --> 02:35:54.200
That's all we can figure out that
you want to meet thaw and Uh.

2021
02:35:54.600 --> 02:35:58.600
At one point, we're at the
restaurant and he doesn't see meat sauce

2022
02:35:58.719 --> 02:36:05.840
on the menu, but JP tells
them it's booloonnais and he's like, well,

2023
02:36:05.440 --> 02:36:11.879
is that mean saucer or what.
There's a whole conversation the JP is

2024
02:36:11.239 --> 02:36:20.360
explaining the intricacies of the boloonnaise sauce
and the Virgil and it was absolutely epics

2025
02:36:20.479 --> 02:36:26.559
night and the video just let me
relive that all again. And I can't

2026
02:36:26.600 --> 02:36:30.159
thank you enough for including me in
this. Oh man, it's our pleasure.

2027
02:36:30.280 --> 02:36:31.879
I was so glad to remember that
you had the cat's eye view.

2028
02:36:31.920 --> 02:36:35.719
I forgot that you'd come out afterwards. It's this guy, really, he

2029
02:36:35.879 --> 02:36:39.639
really signed up for something he had
no idea about. That's fucking to go

2030
02:36:39.920 --> 02:36:41.920
have to go to the restaurant afterwards. It's just too much. So what

2031
02:36:41.000 --> 02:36:45.239
did you make of this guy?
You're coming with an outsider's view that you're

2032
02:36:45.280 --> 02:36:50.239
not starstruck by this guy, but
what was the final analysis? Now,

2033
02:36:50.360 --> 02:36:56.079
I was confused to all get out
as to why we liked this guy and

2034
02:36:56.200 --> 02:37:01.840
who he was and how he plays
into any of the few wrestling matches I've

2035
02:37:01.879 --> 02:37:07.000
ever seen in my life. So
I had no clue what to expect.

2036
02:37:07.959 --> 02:37:13.079
But I knew that you and JP
were just over the moon with this guy

2037
02:37:13.200 --> 02:37:16.760
showing up and the fact that we
were eating dinner together after the fact,

2038
02:37:16.959 --> 02:37:26.639
So it was it was all just
amazing and just so fun. Bill.

2039
02:37:26.760 --> 02:37:30.280
Bill, take us through your your
final thoughts and how did you wrap up

2040
02:37:30.280 --> 02:37:33.360
the night and just watching the video
back again, which, by the way,

2041
02:37:33.399 --> 02:37:37.719
we're indebted to you more than anybody
for recording the damn years unbelievable piece

2042
02:37:37.760 --> 02:37:41.000
of history. This is the thing's
Back in the day, you didn't even

2043
02:37:41.000 --> 02:37:43.239
think about saving him, but now
you're so glad you did. Closing thoughts,

2044
02:37:43.280 --> 02:37:48.120
Bill, your point, I'm so
glad that I, I mean,

2045
02:37:48.479 --> 02:37:54.440
I never upload any videos to like
my personal YouTube account at all. Uh,

2046
02:37:54.840 --> 02:37:56.239
and just I had a string back
in the day that I did,

2047
02:37:56.319 --> 02:37:58.760
and I'm so glad that this was
one of the ones that I just happened

2048
02:37:58.760 --> 02:38:05.639
to do. But regardless that,
you know, that's to have that h

2049
02:38:05.920 --> 02:38:09.200
video and and the evidence of the
night again, like Eric said, just

2050
02:38:09.239 --> 02:38:13.360
to kind of bring you directly back
to it, I missed the meat sauce

2051
02:38:13.399 --> 02:38:22.079
pasta aftermath. Yes, I remember
feeling oddly self conscious about the audio.

2052
02:38:22.799 --> 02:38:24.639
You're like, God, damn it, you brought the PA give ship it

2053
02:38:24.760 --> 02:38:31.479
up. And yeah, but it
was just a real He was like,

2054
02:38:31.600 --> 02:38:35.760
you know, a celebrity, you
know, like an absolute celebrity, a

2055
02:38:35.799 --> 02:38:39.440
guy you would watch on TV weekly, you know, you would you would

2056
02:38:39.440 --> 02:38:43.200
see his face, you know,
multiple times a month for years growing up

2057
02:38:43.239 --> 02:38:46.680
over the weekends, you know,
on Superstars, and uh, you know,

2058
02:38:46.840 --> 02:38:50.479
genuinely to be within a couple of
feet of him, And I think

2059
02:38:50.520 --> 02:38:54.000
that's maybe why we crowded around him. Jack, just let me look at

2060
02:38:54.040 --> 02:38:56.680
this. You you I've watched this
guy for for decades on TV and now

2061
02:38:56.719 --> 02:39:01.760
he's within spinning distance. Uh.
And I should have spit on him at

2062
02:39:01.799 --> 02:39:03.559
the time, but I should have
should have see what he would have done.

2063
02:39:03.600 --> 02:39:07.879
Yeah, but it was just an
absolute pleasure. Yeah, yeah,

2064
02:39:07.920 --> 02:39:11.879
we're gonna miss this guy. He
was that the fact that he was out

2065
02:39:11.920 --> 02:39:16.520
there capable of doing something like this
again, what was a reason to get

2066
02:39:16.600 --> 02:39:20.120
up in the morning. But uh, let's see, we have Tim Sheridan,

2067
02:39:20.440 --> 02:39:26.520
we come back to you and you
were beginning, middle and end here.

2068
02:39:26.680 --> 02:39:28.799
Okay, this was like how do
we get him to your house?

2069
02:39:28.879 --> 02:39:31.879
And now we're sitting here eating pasta
with the guy. What do you remember

2070
02:39:31.920 --> 02:39:37.559
about, uh, the saucy aftermath? Well, this was I always think

2071
02:39:37.600 --> 02:39:43.440
of this night as the law of
diminishing returns. So what we see in

2072
02:39:43.559 --> 02:39:50.719
the video is the absolute best of
Virgil that night. Yes, at every

2073
02:39:50.959 --> 02:39:58.159
step we thought, okay, now
what do we do? And so Jack,

2074
02:39:58.239 --> 02:40:01.200
you stepped in. You did the
interview, and you know, we

2075
02:40:01.280 --> 02:40:03.040
had a little bit of Q and
A, and then it was the end

2076
02:40:03.120 --> 02:40:05.840
of the night, and then we
went outside and we all thought, all

2077
02:40:05.920 --> 02:40:09.719
right, well, we're gonna go
our separate way, that's right. And

2078
02:40:09.840 --> 02:40:16.000
I think I think that Virgil asked
if we were going out to eat,

2079
02:40:16.799 --> 02:40:20.520
and we didn't really have a plan, and we just sort of were like,

2080
02:40:20.680 --> 02:40:24.319
oh, okay, sure we'll do
that, and yeah, I guess

2081
02:40:24.360 --> 02:40:28.079
you can come with us. That's
that's so true. I'm so glad you

2082
02:40:28.159 --> 02:40:33.639
remember that. That that subtlety because
while he was exerting pressure on me all

2083
02:40:33.760 --> 02:40:37.719
night to get potsa with meat sauce, because I probably told him at some

2084
02:40:37.799 --> 02:40:39.479
point there would be food, assuming
there would be food, and there wasn't

2085
02:40:39.479 --> 02:40:45.559
food. Maybe I was expecting game
or something based on to it said in

2086
02:40:45.600 --> 02:40:46.360
the past, but I was like, yeah, there'll be food. Of

2087
02:40:46.399 --> 02:40:52.239
course there wasn't food, and he
needed food. And not only was he

2088
02:40:52.319 --> 02:40:54.760
on me, was he on me
about that one to one is the facilitator

2089
02:40:54.799 --> 02:40:58.799
of the thing, but he was
also on me about trying and I told

2090
02:40:58.000 --> 02:41:01.280
JP's dad about this, trying to
find a place to cash the check at

2091
02:41:01.319 --> 02:41:07.159
fucking twelve thirty at night. He
was not He was not thrilled that we

2092
02:41:07.239 --> 02:41:13.600
didn't bring a fucking briefcase with twelve
hundred and fifty dollars in it and with

2093
02:41:13.760 --> 02:41:16.520
rubber bands to hand to this guy
so that he could go and I don't

2094
02:41:16.600 --> 02:41:20.000
know, hire someone at the motel
six, you know, to piss on

2095
02:41:20.040 --> 02:41:24.959
him or whatever the case would be. So he is just so like anxious

2096
02:41:24.079 --> 02:41:28.200
and jittery about the fact that he
is not liquid at the moment, the

2097
02:41:28.319 --> 02:41:31.360
man is not liquid. He has
a piece of fucking paper that says he's

2098
02:41:31.399 --> 02:41:35.559
owed twelve hundred and fifty dollars and
that's not enough for Virgil, even though

2099
02:41:35.600 --> 02:41:37.639
we paid him twelve fifty in advance
to show up. Who knows where that

2100
02:41:37.719 --> 02:41:43.760
money went. I have a guess, But he he just needed to hear,

2101
02:41:43.040 --> 02:41:46.200
you know, is there a bank
open, pro Virgil? You know

2102
02:41:46.280 --> 02:41:50.319
there's no banks open? You have
her bankers hours, like seriously, like

2103
02:41:50.479 --> 02:41:52.440
you're asking me if a bank is
open on a Friday night at midnight.

2104
02:41:54.280 --> 02:41:56.600
But So, he was jones and
not just because that's his last name,

2105
02:41:56.600 --> 02:42:01.840
I mean he was Jonesen and and
so and so that's such a key point.

2106
02:42:01.879 --> 02:42:05.680
Tim. We didn't we didn't enthusia. We wanted the night to be

2107
02:42:05.799 --> 02:42:09.120
over. We're like, all right, man, go back to the hotel,

2108
02:42:09.200 --> 02:42:11.079
but we'll get the rides come in. It's and he was the one

2109
02:42:11.680 --> 02:42:15.879
that put it in our and it's
kind of in his playbook because when you

2110
02:42:15.879 --> 02:42:18.200
hear others talk about his lonely Virgil
days and kind of observing him in action

2111
02:42:18.319 --> 02:42:22.680
at conventions, that's what he would
do. He would almost he would almost

2112
02:42:22.719 --> 02:42:26.719
guilt trip fans into feeling like they
owed him money for something that you didn't

2113
02:42:26.719 --> 02:42:31.639
ask him to do. Like he
would proactively sign a picture for you,

2114
02:42:31.879 --> 02:42:35.639
proactively take a picture with you without
you explicitly asking, and definitely not with

2115
02:42:35.719 --> 02:42:41.840
you agreeing to any price point for
said service. And then that is like

2116
02:42:41.920 --> 02:42:46.760
some Romanian pickpocket shit essentially. Yeah, he's a carneye like like all of

2117
02:42:46.799 --> 02:42:50.680
them, you know, looking to
make fifty bucks for a twelve second interaction.

2118
02:42:50.920 --> 02:42:54.639
You know, after all this goodwill
we built up in the hefty sum

2119
02:42:54.719 --> 02:42:58.040
we paid him, he still gave
me a price of seven hundred and fifty

2120
02:42:58.040 --> 02:43:01.680
dollars to come on Labs fans.
So I'll tell you how far that money

2121
02:43:01.719 --> 02:43:05.239
went. And then I saw him
at a convention and I walked up to

2122
02:43:05.319 --> 02:43:07.879
him. I had a bag in
my hand of a wrestling something, a

2123
02:43:07.959 --> 02:43:09.520
toy or something, and I said, hey, Virgil, remember us from

2124
02:43:09.520 --> 02:43:11.639
the Badge? Oh? Yeah,
man, what you got in the bag?

2125
02:43:16.840 --> 02:43:18.840
I don't know, Virgil, I
got your twelve hundred and fifty dollars.

2126
02:43:18.920 --> 02:43:24.280
Here you go. I have something
that belongs to me in the bag.

2127
02:43:24.319 --> 02:43:30.079
What the fuck like? Anyway?
So he he left. Huh.

2128
02:43:31.879 --> 02:43:35.920
He still wanted to go out and
do something once he realized he couldn't cash

2129
02:43:35.040 --> 02:43:41.399
his check, and he thought we
were going to continue to go and party.

2130
02:43:41.120 --> 02:43:46.959
Yeah, and Jack, you said
I'm going to go home? Did

2131
02:43:48.040 --> 02:43:54.840
I say that? You know it's
probably true because his mind, the way

2132
02:43:54.879 --> 02:43:58.440
his mind works. Okay, Well
I can't get because if you could get

2133
02:43:58.440 --> 02:44:01.159
the twelve fifth, now he'd go, like I said, and find ways

2134
02:44:01.200 --> 02:44:05.000
to spend it. Okay. He
was not shy about telling me on the

2135
02:44:05.079 --> 02:44:09.399
pre the pregame phone calls to arrange
this thing about how many how many women

2136
02:44:09.479 --> 02:44:13.000
he's got in the area and how
he he's looking forward to visiting them again.

2137
02:44:13.079 --> 02:44:15.719
Okay, he would have been spending
it, put it that way.

2138
02:44:16.280 --> 02:44:18.280
But now that he doesn't have that
cash to spend on the night. Now

2139
02:44:18.360 --> 02:44:20.479
it's a game of how much can
I get these guys to pay for?

2140
02:44:20.920 --> 02:44:22.959
Right? Can I get him to
pay for dinner? Can I get him

2141
02:44:22.959 --> 02:44:26.000
to pay for a strip club?
I'm sure that's where his mind's going.

2142
02:44:26.040 --> 02:44:28.159
I'm positive so. But I forgot
about that wrinkle where it was like,

2143
02:44:28.520 --> 02:44:31.399
yeah, we ended up at dinner
with him, but it wasn't like an

2144
02:44:31.440 --> 02:44:35.559
extension of this holy shit, look
at Virgils here. It was kind of

2145
02:44:35.639 --> 02:44:39.159
like, right, tim, it
was kind of over. Yeah, any

2146
02:44:39.200 --> 02:44:41.799
thoughts of sitting at the table.
I remember that we had no plans to

2147
02:44:41.920 --> 02:44:46.920
go to dinner, and it was
virgil plan to go to dinner. Sorry

2148
02:44:46.959 --> 02:44:52.600
this snort, that's too funny.
Oh JP, what are you okay?

2149
02:44:52.799 --> 02:44:56.840
I mean this is all that's all
for you? Now. I forgot about

2150
02:44:56.879 --> 02:45:01.559
that part he too, Honestly,
I really did. By Oh, I

2151
02:45:01.680 --> 02:45:07.680
do remember being so tired, tired. Sorry, I still have an echo

2152
02:45:07.879 --> 02:45:11.200
and so it's weird to hear my
voice. Okay, I was gonna say,

2153
02:45:11.280 --> 02:45:13.239
yeah, you've definitely been liquoring up. I know, I know,

2154
02:45:13.440 --> 02:45:20.600
no, no, no liquor.
I remember going to the restaurant and being

2155
02:45:20.719 --> 02:45:26.479
really tired, I forgot that I
argued with him about the meat sauce,

2156
02:45:26.520 --> 02:45:30.760
that I actually was telling him that
bologniis was the meat sauce. And I

2157
02:45:30.959 --> 02:45:35.079
believe then the waitress or waiter or
server rather confirmed it for me that the

2158
02:45:35.079 --> 02:45:39.520
bolognies is indeed a meat sauce,
and so he ate it and correct me

2159
02:45:39.520 --> 02:45:48.319
if I'm wrong. Did he eat
so slow? So slow? Because it

2160
02:45:48.479 --> 02:45:54.760
just took forever and he didn't Yeah, he didn't want it to end,

2161
02:45:54.920 --> 02:46:05.600
and he became like the celebrity who
overstayed his welcome. I was like,

2162
02:46:05.319 --> 02:46:13.760
go away, I'm done. We've
used you. The joke's over. I

2163
02:46:13.920 --> 02:46:18.040
think we need to end it there, because I think what you just did

2164
02:46:18.559 --> 02:46:28.719
was basically tell the story of Virgil's
life. God bless you, Michael Jones.

2165
02:46:28.760 --> 02:46:31.360
It was. It was a pleasure
getting to know you. It was

2166
02:46:31.399 --> 02:46:37.000
a pleasure laughing at your many references. It was a pleasure to watch you

2167
02:46:37.319 --> 02:46:41.200
eat and talk about meat sauce before
it was a thing. And it was

2168
02:46:41.239 --> 02:46:46.520
a pleasure to send our buddy JP
off into matrimony with the tailwind, the

2169
02:46:46.639 --> 02:46:54.280
tailwind of having experienced your aura.
Coming up next, a dive through Virgil's

2170
02:46:56.079 --> 02:46:58.959
biggest moments in the ring, about
four of them, as on the verse.

2171
02:47:00.280 --> 02:47:01.680
Our tribute to Virgil continues