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Love Hot Radio. Welcome to open
Minds Radio with Alejandro Roja. Open Minds

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Radio is the UFO news authority presenting
evidence and the latest news regarding the UFO

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phenomena. Here's your host, Alejandro
Roja. Hello and welcome to open Minds

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Radio. That intro I thought when
Bob Detan did it first was kind of

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slow, but it's really grown on. Man, I really like it.

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He's mellow. Welcome open mind Radio. We are your UFO news authority and

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I am Alejandro Roja. We have
an absolutely brilliant show. Today we have

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Jeff Willis on. We've been keeping
with the theme of having UFO Congress guests

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and speakers on the show and we
continue that with today. Jeff is doing

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a talk at our SkyWatch which we're
going to be on Friday night, and

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we'll have more and on soon to
tell you more about that. But let

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me tell you more about Jeff.
He's been researching UFOs for over twenty five

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years. He's had a ton of
sightings and when he bought his first UFO,

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his first video camera, it turned
out to be a UFO video camera.

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In nineteen ninety five, UFO Hunting
became a full time activity for him.

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He's obtained a lot of very cool
videos, some of them which have

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been seen on the documentary dan Aykroyd
Unplugged on UFOs. It's a really cool

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one. He's been on lots of
the TV shows UFO Hunters, and more

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recently he was on the sci Fi
channels Backed or Fake and while their crew

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was trying to replicate Jeff's videos,
they caught unexplainable UFO videos themselves, so

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kind of cool. So we'll be
talking to Jeff in a little while.

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But first we've got a very special
guest. We have our very own Maureen

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Ellsbury. Do I say that right? Yeah, that's right, hells very

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And we're going to ask Maureen about
the conference because she's been doing a lot

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of the organizing and if you call
in to voice your concerns too and scream

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at someone, that's who you'll be
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you're nice. Yes, you have
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Yeah. So how is the attendance
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We just ended early registration today and
the response has been pretty overwhelming. I

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mean, we're seeing a lot of
growth from previous years and I'm on the

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phone constantly. I'm surprised. It's
just how much it's expanding, how many

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people there are. It's exciting.
Yeah, and I think it has a

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lot to do with, you know, the the success of Open Minds magazine

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now and the advertising we're doing and
exposing it to this bigger populace. So

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we're going to see a lot of
new faces. The people you're talking to

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today sound pretty excited. Yeah.
In fact, I just kind of neat

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that we're getting a lot of younger
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of teenagers today that are coming from
road tripping down from Utah and we're thrilled

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and can't wait and really excited to
meet Travis Walton. Nah. Lots of

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like cool dudes on the conversation.
Yeah, sweet man, Travis. What

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kind of events that are going on? Are you looking forward too? Well,

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the whole thing. I mean,
I hope I'll have a chance to

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be able to see some of the
speakers. I mean, we have just

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an incredible lineup. Paul Hellier and
you know, Jim Mars, Richard Dolan,

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all these people are really great.
So I'm looking forward to seeing pretty

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much everyone, but then I'm pretty
excited for the SkyWatch event on Friday night

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because that's going to be really cool. We're doing that in conjunction with Fort

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McDonald Adventures, So Friday Nights Franks
event, So it'll be meat because we'll

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be out in the middle of the
desert. Yeah, we'll be talking to

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Jeff about that today because he is
the king and the area of getting UFO

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video, so hopefully he'll be able
to bring some good UFO juju and we'll

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get to cool sightings. Yeah,
you never know what, Kinsey, And

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then what do you think makes this
year special? You know, well,

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a lot of things that there's a
lot of change going on the fact that

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it's its first year in the Phoenix
area and it's the twentieth annual event.

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So this conference has been going strong
for twenty years and I think that's pretty

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impressive. And it's the first year
we're hosting it, so it's in with

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the line of both speakers. It's
going to be a good event. And

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you were a friend of Nikki and
the Browns, right just like I am,

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and so it's an honor to be
able to carry on that legacy.

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Right. Definitely, well cool,
anything else you wanted to add, I

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think no. I just hope everyone
is able to come out, and if

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you're not, then we'll have the
DVDs for sale on the website immediately after

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the event. So looking forward to
seeing everyone there in February. Cool.

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All right, thank you, thank
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going on a couple of radio interviews
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through the key Hole with Karen Dolan. We'll be talking about the conference

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there, and that'll be a lot
of fun. Karen Dolan is Richard dolan

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or Richard Dolan is Karen Dolan's not
so better half. I don't know how

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to say that to compliment them both, but they're both awesome people. And

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Karen does a radio show really cool, so that's going to be a lot

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of fun. And then on the
fifth, I'll be on I On This

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Guy with Dee Andrews, and I've
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lot of fun also, so that'll
be cool. We'll be talking more about

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the conference and we're all really excited
about how well everything is going. We're

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just you know, overwhelmed. I
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really grow? To the size that
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incredible response. So we're certainly overwhelmed, very satisfied, and it's going to

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be a lot of fun. One
of the exciting things about our website is

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that we update it on a regular
basis with UFO News, and these are

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headlines stories all around the world that
talk about UFOs. And even more exciting

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is that every week we get joined
by Jason McClellan and he shares some of

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these headlines with us. It's always
a treat for me, and I know

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the listeners love it too. Hello
Jason, Hello Alejandro, you are full

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of I don't know what you're full
of. It's very flattering, my friend.

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Hello and greetings everyone. This is
your Open Mindes News Briefer, Monday,

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January twenty fourth, twenty eleven.
Humans are now less afraid of meeting

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extraterrestrials than we work previously. That's
according to an article published on Science and

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Religion Today. The articles author Albert
Harrison, an emeritus professor of psychology at

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the University of California Davis, believes
that there is an anything can happen mentality

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in Western society thanks to ever developing
science and technology. Harrison points out that

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we live in a culture where television
programs, books, video games, toys,

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sweatshirts, and so much more encourage
us to think about et and it

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is the constant exposure to these things
that opens people's minds to the possibility of

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extraterrestrial life. Got a point everywhere
you look, and I don't know if

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it's because I'm immersed in this field
and you're immersed in this field. We

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deal with it every day. So
everywhere I look, I see things extraterrestrial,

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alien themed, everywhere I look,
But everything's really I think it's just

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such an easy creative kind of outlet. Like if you have something strange and

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weird and foreign, and you want
to integrate it in our world or regular

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environment somehow, you call it kind
of extraterrestrial. Like Superman, for instance.

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You want to have this cool guy
who can fly around and be invincible,

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But how do you explain that he
has all these powers. It's easy,

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you just say he's an extraterrestrial.
That's right. So it's been a

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part of culture for at least modern
wise, for a why, I guess,

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since we've discovered there are other planets
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what's made me less afraid of extraterrestrials. There's lots of meditation. I think

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a lot of people have a lot
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I think the guy's probably generally right. Yeah, probably. I mean,

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you get a lot of people,
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a lot of the TV shows,
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you talk to kids about this stuff, a lot of them are, oh,

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I want to meet an alien.
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of the Disney shows with the cute
little aliens. Lot of kids who called

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him Ellien's Gullians the Alliens. Yeah, yeah, And I probably did when

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I was a kid too, And
I was kind of confusing with Et because

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the boy's name is Elliott. Yeah, Elliott and Ellien, Yeah, Elliott

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and et the Ellien. On a
similar topic, filmmaker George Lucas is among

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those who believe the world is coming
to an end in twenty twelve. According

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to actors Seth Rogan, Lucas recently
spent more than twelve minutes or more than

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twenty minutes telling him how twenty twelve
will be the end of the world,

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recalling the encounter, Rogan told the
Toronto Sun, George Lucas sits down and

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seriously proceeds to talk for around twenty
five minutes about how he thinks the world

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is going to end in the year
twenty twelve, Like for real, he

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thinks it. I'm not going to
impersonate Deeth Rogan, but imagine some superstone

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person telling this story for real.
Steven Spielberg was apparently also present for the

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discussion, but according to Rogan,
Spielberg simply rolled his eyes and said,

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hey, friend, won't shut up. I'm sorry, I wonder Yeah,

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I mean, I think Spielberg is
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That is correct, and I've heard
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weird. It's very interesting that he
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you know, when this conversation happened, it wasn't just Seth Rogan who

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was smoking the joint. You know, maybe George Lucas was partaking a bit.

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It's certainly possible, and you know, I can't believe it one hundred

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percent because it is coming from Seth
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joking around, right, But who
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day. That'd be nice when it
comes to the office. Yeah, he'll

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probably be at the conference. Yeah. A Scottish man reported seeing a pear

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shaped UFO earlier this month. He
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two low flying, strange orange lights, one bigger than the other. At

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first he thought it was a police
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his car he saw a large pear
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The witness watched as the UFO suddenly
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of Scotland where this pear shaped UFO
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with regular sightings. I like this
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to commend the UK for their creative
descriptions of UFO shapes. They've had their

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Hamburger UFOs. Last year they had
their deadly Dorito ufo and the States is

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flying Sascer triangle triangle touring Dorito cigar. I guess the gar is kind of

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creative. I like that one,
but it's an old one. Yeah,

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didn't now I saw on the stream
here this cheesy picture that you have for

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that with a pair in the sky. Did you make that or was that

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on the line? That's the real
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in the sky. Yeah, no, don't, don't. Don't criticize my

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graphics there. It's cute. No, I don't. I couldn't find an

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actual photo of this. I don't
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so there was nothing that said he
got out with his camera. But he

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got out of his car and it'd
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he had time to take a picture. That's how it happens a lot of

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times. But I felt that to
best represent a pair shaped UFO. What's

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better than a pair? You know
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This is another prediction from me.
I've had a lot of predictions lately and

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they've all come true. And if
you think about it, should I call

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you Stanley? This one is.
One day we'll probably have these little cameras

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in our eyeballs where we'll be able
to blink or like hit the back side

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of our head and it'll snap a
picture of whatever we see. It's like

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a screenshot of everything we see.
As scary as it is to say,

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I don't think that's too far off. It's gonna happen. There's that teacher

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in New York who had a camera
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Really, Oh my gosh, I
did not hear that story for the sake

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of art. Oh wow. But
yes, implanting cameras into human tissue is

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here, my friend. Wow.
And if the aliens don't do it,

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we will. I'm even more right
than I thought. That's scary. Yeah.

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Police in Newtown, Connecticut saw five
mysterious lights in the sky a couple

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of weeks ago. There's video of
these lights on YouTube, and after watching

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the video, a paranormal investigator from
the Smoking Gun Research Agency determined the lights

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for Chinese lanterns. And I just
watched this video myself, and it's very

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cool because we have done a couple
of experiments now with Chinese lanterns and taking

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lots of video, lots of photos, and the video of these lights,

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these five lights look exactly like our
videos looked, So for once, I

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agree with the person saying that yes
they're Chinese lanterns. They were just these

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slow moving glowing lights through the sky, not anything shooting up or doing ninety

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degree turns or things things that some
people try to blame on Chinese lanterns,

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which we have discovered. Chinese lanterns
don't behave that way, and you wouldn't

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think they would, but right,
they don't move around a whole lot in

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the wind, and they don't last
that long, right, discoveries that we've

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made, Yeah, and I think
they even had people come forward in this

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particular case saying that somebody very close
released forty of these lanterns and memory of

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a friend or something like that.
Yep. So there's an abundance of these

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lanterns out there and they're pretty fun. Yeah. The UFO Chick and the

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chat is saying they're expensive, which
they are, and they are pretty fun.

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Though I have to disagree with UFO
Chick. She clearly doesn't know what

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she's talking about. Well maybe in
British pounds maybe maybe. Oh. There

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are many different kinds of lanterns,
and some are pricey and some are not.

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But I guess it depends on how
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Yeah, I guess I can think
of another mini other ways to spend my

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fifty bucks or less. But they
are fun and we found out a lot

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by launching these things watching them in
the air, and something that surprised me

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was the fact that you can't see. These things come in a variety of

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colors, and we launched a multi
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the colors when they're in the sky
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I think the brightness of the flame
is so bright it overpowers whatever color right

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the balloon is and so they all
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of were right. And we wanted
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these reports people report mysterious green lights
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sky. So we launched these to
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You might see that, but you
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the fire. And next Christmas,
I'll make this vow that we will launch

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the Santa Claves Chinese. We will
launch we have Santa clauss. Yeah,

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these things are crazy to get some
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varieties of lanterns. They make them
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make one for every sports team.
They've got pumpkins for Halloween. Pretty crazy,

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yep, giant pumpkins. I think
one even has a giant, giant

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alien head. I'd like to slaunch
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the alien head you probably can't see
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like you can. It looks like
Santa Claus. It's kind of cool his

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head. But then kids might be
screaming and crying because they're like, ah,

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Santa Claus is dis dismembered heads floating
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cry if he starts crashing he burns
out. Yeah, hopefully we won't scare

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any kids. But they look pretty
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there's kind of a strange story.
As scientists believes there will be two Sons

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in the sky, possibly by twenty
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of Physics at the University of Southern
Queensland, thinks one of the brightest stars

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in the sky is collapsing. He
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and if it does, it could
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happens, a second sun would be
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few weeks. The name of that
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yeah, there is a name for
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try to pronounce it beetlejuice. I
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really? Yeah, well he gave
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why in the story I read it
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I found that interesting. When I
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was there's there were some conspiracy rumors
that they were going to try to nuke

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Jupiter, to turn Jupiter into another
sun because our son was gonna die or

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something like that, and you can
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twenty ten, I think the movie
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thousand series, like the two thousand
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and turning it into a sun in
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was one of the moons of Jupiter. I think Europa, which was kind

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of funny. So I thought it
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which is kind of scary. Twenty
ten someone in the chat told me,

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But thank goodness, it's a lot
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And it's barring up away where it
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a good thing. But we might
have daylight for two weeks or something.

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Yeah, that's right. This guy
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kind of be awful. It's like
those poor people living in Alaska. Yeah,

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like that movie about that What was
that one where he couldn't sleep because

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all of the daylight he was going
crazy the cop I don't know. Somebody

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in the chat will answer that for
us. Yeah, but yeah, there

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are a lot of conspiracies surrounding or
related to the Sun. Oh. There

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constant discussion about satellite imagery and stuff
from the sun. And yeah, the

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cameras right, people who claim to
see UFOs and stuff. Some of those

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interesting pictures look interesting, but it's
just I guess hard to say. Well,

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and we're not going there anytime soon. So yeah, it's a little

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warm, Yeah, warmers and Phoenix
in the summer, I believe it or

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not. Yeah, worm here is
the perfect type of worm, the sun

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that's getting a little crazy. Yeah
you die. Yep. That is it

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for the news. Remember to check
out these stories and more at openminds dot

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tv, your source for UFO related
news. I'm Jason McClellan, your Open

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Minds News correspondent, and you've been
briefed, and believe me, it's better

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to be briefed than debriefed. I
agree. Excellent. Back to you,

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Alejandro. Now, someone in the
chat trying to figure out the name of

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the movie, and you know you
can help. But it's the movie where

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it's about when you can't go to
sleep. That's what it's named. Whatever

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you call that, and I can't
remember what that's called. Regardless, Let's

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talk about some of the other articles
we have on the website. So cool

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stuff. We put up another UFO
case Files Revealed. So Michael Shrat goes

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and he looks at some of the
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of the big major UFO reporting groups, and then he makes imagery where he

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shows what the UFO would have looked
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of have this great illustration that's somewhat
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another one of those up. Also, I wrote a couple of stories,

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one of them on the most popular
YouTube UFO video, which is called UFO

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Haiti, and it's got like over
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I'm talking about. I remember when
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See here's why I thought it was
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sound sounded like an audio loop because
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and everything with the palm trees and
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ones for me let alone. It
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what that the real thing will probably

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look too good to be true turns
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thing became such a big thing on
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it, and it was their cyber
somebody who looked into it, and I've

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got a link to that story on
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down who made it and talk to
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didn't want to give his real name, but essentially that he was kind of

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experimenting with a movie that he was
going to make, and he worked on

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a lot of Hollywood movies. He's
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and so he was just playing around
made this video to see what would

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happen on the internet, and sure
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really popular. So the La Times. Guy said, well, you got

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to prove that it's you, that
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So he said, okay, he'd
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and he made this real cute one. It's called now Naughty Granny's I think

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he calls it. And you can
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you see the UFO that looks just
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but it's floating over this mailbox in
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and then it pants over to these
old ladies who are playing with a remote

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control to kind of pretend like it's
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really cute video that he put together. So finally the mystery was solved and

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everybody found out that it wasn't real. So there's just some background. I

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would just wanted to put together all
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of concerns, so you guys can
all see all the different videos that were

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related and see the background of this
story. So when it comes across,

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because even to this day, people
run across that story and they get amazed

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and then they email it to all
their friends and oh my god, look

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at this UFO video and then one
of their buddies notes that, hey,

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that's actually a few years old and
it's not real. Sorry. Or you

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can, like I said in the
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you can either burst our bubble and
tell them look at this link,

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sorry, that's not real, or
you can let them live in their little

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UFO bliss for a while. And
some people, you know, it's better

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just to say, oh right,
great video. Thanks. Other stories I

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also wrote just today one on the
Dreamy draw Damn. And this is really

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interesting because I knew the backstory about
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didn't know where it came from until
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And the dream we draw dam is
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in this desert area outside of Phoenix, and it does look kind of weird

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because it's not like it's holding anybody
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to lakes and old lakes and stuff
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people speculate that it was unnecessary,
and this legend came that there was a

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UFO under it. I did some
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help and you know, in the
Frank Scully book, which I was familiar

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with, they did talk about a
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Arizona where a couple of bodies were
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and was told, which I didn't
remember, that Tim Good had written a

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book in above top Secret about this
case also except for he called it the

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Paradise Valley UFO crash. Paradise Valley
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he found a witness and well about
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where this crash happened. That this
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being recovered by the Air Force.
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he saw them doing some construction and
stuff and he believed they were bearing

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the UFO. But that was up
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kind of this dam in the middle
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this UFO. So that's the story. We went out and we interviewed a

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ranger to ask, you know,
what's up with this dam? Why do

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you have this weird dam in the
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us why it is because it's by
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of watershed there and the park does
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going down into the neighborhoods and sweeping
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would be unfortunate. Paradise Valley,
by the way, is this beautiful area

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in Scotts Sale with these incredible buildings
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mountains. And it's very near the
beautiful area where we are having our UFO

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Congress. Very very exciting. Also, I don't think Jason mentioned this one.

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I can't remember now, but I'll
say it again. No, I

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don't think so. The crop circle
in Indonesia. It's been a busy day.

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This is a news story as of
today, this really incredible looking crop

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circle in Indonesia. Of course people
are saying, oh, it's probably man

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made, but Indonesia doesn't really get
crop circles. And of course Doug and

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Dave home, there's only one of
them left, and I doubt that he

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flew down to Indonesia to make this
crop circle. So it is a big

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mystery, and I hope that some
researchers can get out there and they can

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figure out some more around it,
because it looks like it's a very pretty

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crop circle, somewhat complex crop circle, and it looks like some of those

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that seem to be actually mysterious and
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in England. Speaking of England,
hopefully next week we will have our good

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buddy Ross Hemsworth on the show,
an English UFO conspiracy kind of guy.

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Ben Hansen from Fact or Faked onto the

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radio show. He was going to
do next week, but then he kind

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of had to. They're shooting the
week after next. He's going to be

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in Argentina, so they're shooting for
the show, so he's kind of having

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problems scheduling around that. But he
is going to be at the conference signing

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signatures. Also at the conference.
Our guests for tonight, which I believe

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we have on the line, Jeff
Willis, Are you there. Yeah,

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I'm here, Thank you, Thank
you so much, thank you. How

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are you doing? Pretty good?
Pretty good? Cool? I know,

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doing well. Yeah, it's cool
to be out here now, you know.

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We got to talk I think a
little bit before I moved out here,

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but now we're out in the same
area and I get to see us

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sometimes, which is a lot of
fun. And just like you were on

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the internet when we corresponded that way, you're a very nice and great person.

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Jeff, Oh, thank you so
much. Yeah, I'd love to

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stop by the office over there and
visit you guys, you know, waste

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a couple of times a year and
show some good, brand new footage,

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you know, here and there whenever
I can get them. Yeah, it's

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incredible. You have so much footage, and really looking at it, it

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seems like one of the first pieces
of footage that you had that got big

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was one of the daylight UFO videos
you got. It was this like in

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the mid nineties. Yeah, this
was nineteen ninety seven, a little bit

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after the Phoenix Lights incident. The
very same year as the Phoenix Lights of

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the incident in nineteen ninety seven,
March thirteenth, nineteen ninety seven, we

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shot some orbs over there by South
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I also was able to catch many
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seven and one of the videos that
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on Channel ten news here in Phoenix, and it is like you were saying,

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it was a daylight siding of a
Look what would looked to me and

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what it looks like on videos and
dome shaped objects with two domes actually,

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you know, you have the rod
in the middle and the two domes on

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the very top, and then it
had like three balls of light underneath it,

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like maybe some sort of propulsion system. And the way it moved was

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amazing because it goes so fast.
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of objects that I captured on tape, A lot of people referred to those

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as rods because they were moving so
quickly. But a lot of other researchers,

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like John Burrough at the time,
you know, was saying, no,

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these aren't rods. These are crafts
that are out out in the air,

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you know, and some of them
of course could be rods, you

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know. But the research kind of
shifted to higher shutter speeds to debunk any

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bugs or raw you know, anything
that could be you know debunked. You

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know, people just advanced their shutter
speed to a higher level and then that

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canceled out anything, and you know
that was close to the video camera and

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of course you always have to zoom
to infinity, so you're filming stuff that's

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high in the sky, right.
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the ninety seven and was that when
the video was taken that they used on

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the dan Acroid documentary. Yeah,
some of the they used quite a few

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clips from me. They used about
five or six clips of mine throughout the

406
00:31:15.279 --> 00:31:22.559
show that spread throughout the documentary,
and a lot of them were taken from

407
00:31:22.720 --> 00:31:27.440
my first three DVD's UFOs are Phoenix, you know, volume one through three.

408
00:31:29.559 --> 00:31:33.839
And they wanted to use some footage
for the of course, for dan

409
00:31:33.960 --> 00:31:38.039
Ackred's documentary that was coming out,
and and I had already you know,

410
00:31:38.119 --> 00:31:42.440
shot a lot of daylight stuff you
know, through the late nineties, and

411
00:31:42.480 --> 00:31:47.240
they were kind of internet in some
of that stuff. And I also showed

412
00:31:47.319 --> 00:31:49.960
him some of the latest videos that
I shot, and they added a few

413
00:31:51.000 --> 00:31:55.599
of those into the documentary as well. M h. Yeah, some cool

414
00:31:55.720 --> 00:31:59.720
videos like the one you were talking
about with a dome shaped object to Thomas

415
00:31:59.799 --> 00:32:04.119
like a saucer on its side.
Yeah, that was later, That was

416
00:32:04.279 --> 00:32:07.839
in two thousand and three when I
shot that one, and at first when

417
00:32:07.920 --> 00:32:10.839
I saw that, I thought,
well, it looks like, you know,

418
00:32:10.920 --> 00:32:15.319
maybe that could be some sort of
balloon or something. And I have

419
00:32:15.480 --> 00:32:20.000
zoomed into it and I still couldn't
really figure out what it was. And

420
00:32:20.240 --> 00:32:22.880
by the time it got over my
house it went like the opposite direction.

421
00:32:23.039 --> 00:32:27.440
It like did a weird U turn
move over the top of my house.

422
00:32:27.519 --> 00:32:30.880
And I'm still taping it as it's
getting farther and farther away. But at

423
00:32:30.920 --> 00:32:35.599
that point, you know, I
wasn't sure what I got. And a

424
00:32:35.680 --> 00:32:39.480
lot of people are interested in that
cliff. It was used most recently on

425
00:32:39.920 --> 00:32:47.079
Asian Aliens episode three, I believe
it was, and that just reaired the

426
00:32:47.160 --> 00:32:53.240
other night too. They showed that
my clips and that I wasn't sure if

427
00:32:53.279 --> 00:32:57.920
you saw that or not. No, I haven't seen that one. I've

428
00:32:57.960 --> 00:33:00.680
seen some of them, but I
don't think i've seen that one yet.

429
00:33:01.400 --> 00:33:06.880
I kind of don't get many cable
channels anymore because I've been so busy and

430
00:33:06.960 --> 00:33:08.960
everything. I just decided I don't
watch them. I'm not going to pay

431
00:33:09.000 --> 00:33:14.440
for them, so so unfortunately I
don't get some of those channels anymore.

432
00:33:14.480 --> 00:33:17.200
But Luckily you can watch them online
and stuff. Oh yeah, YouTube's got

433
00:33:17.359 --> 00:33:21.960
funny, yeah, YouTube, and
and some of them are putting them up

434
00:33:22.000 --> 00:33:30.160
on some of those other TV type
shows or websites. But I guess getting

435
00:33:30.240 --> 00:33:37.000
to you and your experience, they
started for you early on in your life,

436
00:33:37.079 --> 00:33:42.920
like in your teenage years, to
have so many sightings. It started

437
00:33:43.000 --> 00:33:45.640
way earlier than that, really.
Really, when I was about five or

438
00:33:45.720 --> 00:33:50.759
six years old, I was,
you know, right before I was going

439
00:33:50.799 --> 00:33:55.240
to sleep, something was like like
grabs a hold of me, like it

440
00:33:55.680 --> 00:34:00.119
like actually grabbed my hand when I
was going to sleep and I wasn't asleep

441
00:34:00.240 --> 00:34:05.359
yet, and so at that point, you know, it was pretty freaked

442
00:34:05.359 --> 00:34:07.960
out and and you know, you
don't know what to think when you're a

443
00:34:07.960 --> 00:34:12.440
little kid and something like that happened. So, you know, the next

444
00:34:12.559 --> 00:34:16.239
day I asked my parents, I
said, you know, what would you

445
00:34:16.360 --> 00:34:21.840
think or you know, if if
I told you that I thought somebody,

446
00:34:22.280 --> 00:34:24.920
you know, grabbed me and my
sleep last night or before I was going

447
00:34:24.960 --> 00:34:30.639
to sleep, and they said it
was probably just your guardian angel or you

448
00:34:30.719 --> 00:34:36.159
know, you know, like God, you know, trying to make you

449
00:34:36.239 --> 00:34:39.440
know, it seemed like it was
angels or something like that. So I

450
00:34:39.599 --> 00:34:45.320
was kind of you know, I
was comforted. It wasn't a bad experience

451
00:34:45.480 --> 00:34:50.000
really. It was more like like, I know that there's not supposed to

452
00:34:50.039 --> 00:34:52.000
be someone in the room, and
there's someone in the room basically with something

453
00:34:52.119 --> 00:34:57.159
like that, you know, and
it was not you know, burglars or

454
00:34:57.159 --> 00:35:02.280
anything like that. So but you
know, after that, it was kind

455
00:35:02.320 --> 00:35:09.920
of strange because throughout my education,
you know, my first education in elementary

456
00:35:09.960 --> 00:35:15.440
school, looking through the library and
the elementary school, I was kind of

457
00:35:16.079 --> 00:35:21.280
drawn to the books about the paranormal. But you know, I saw a

458
00:35:21.320 --> 00:35:25.559
few Bigfoot books that I had checked
out with some UFOs books, and that's

459
00:35:25.639 --> 00:35:30.880
when I first saw the Billy Myer
photographs was in those books. And I

460
00:35:30.000 --> 00:35:35.000
was only about like seven years old
when I first saw those photos, you

461
00:35:35.079 --> 00:35:37.320
know, and I was kind of
drawn to them. Not to say that

462
00:35:37.440 --> 00:35:42.360
they're you know, you know,
I'm not sure exactly what is going on

463
00:35:42.480 --> 00:35:45.599
with Billy Myers case, but when
you see those photographs and you know,

464
00:35:46.360 --> 00:35:51.360
you know, real clear photographs of
UFOs in a book when you're a small

465
00:35:51.480 --> 00:35:54.239
kid, it kind of makes you
want to challenge what you've been taught,

466
00:35:54.320 --> 00:35:59.679
you know, in the regular education, you know, throughout your entire education,

467
00:36:00.320 --> 00:36:06.480
right, you know, it's a
challenge. And now, yeah,

468
00:36:06.599 --> 00:36:10.679
you you get a lot of videos. So I your bio talks about how

469
00:36:10.920 --> 00:36:17.880
in ninety five is when you bought
your first camera, But did you buy

470
00:36:17.960 --> 00:36:22.280
it for the sole purpose of recording
some of the lot of UFOs that you

471
00:36:22.360 --> 00:36:27.800
were seeing at the time. Yeah, really it was because in the early

472
00:36:27.920 --> 00:36:31.320
eighties, I had a thirty five
millimeters still photo you know, still camera,

473
00:36:31.440 --> 00:36:36.159
thirty five millimeter and that you know, we developed film in high school,

474
00:36:36.400 --> 00:36:38.159
you know, and using a larger
of loyal pictures and stuff like that,

475
00:36:38.360 --> 00:36:45.280
and photo class throughout high school and
junior high and I had taken pictures

476
00:36:45.360 --> 00:36:51.239
with my thirty five millimeter camera of
high you know, white dots high in

477
00:36:51.280 --> 00:36:54.280
the sky that I knew weren't blooms
or planes. So I was already able

478
00:36:54.320 --> 00:37:00.199
to start photographing UFOs by the time
I was like fourteen or fifteen when I

479
00:37:00.280 --> 00:37:02.920
first got my camera. It wasn't
long after. I think I got it

480
00:37:02.960 --> 00:37:07.199
when I was twelve or thirteen,
but I had gotten my first UFO pictures

481
00:37:07.239 --> 00:37:12.920
by the time I was like thirteen
or fourteen or fifteen, and I also,

482
00:37:13.239 --> 00:37:19.159
you know, throughout those years three
or four still shots. And I

483
00:37:19.360 --> 00:37:23.039
also saw low UFO before I got
that camera about you know, a couple

484
00:37:23.039 --> 00:37:28.960
of years before I got that camera
in nineteen eighty. This wasn't back where

485
00:37:28.960 --> 00:37:32.000
I used to live in Bellvue,
Washington, right outside Seattle, and there

486
00:37:32.079 --> 00:37:39.400
was a small domed cone shaped UFO
that was not too high above the trees

487
00:37:39.639 --> 00:37:45.000
in the neighborhood that was going very
slow and I had spotted it when I

488
00:37:45.079 --> 00:37:47.400
was riding my bike through the woods. I saw it, and I tried

489
00:37:47.440 --> 00:37:52.079
to chase it and it disappeared.
I didn't get, you know, very

490
00:37:52.119 --> 00:37:55.639
close to it, but it was
a good visual for at least thirty seconds

491
00:37:55.719 --> 00:38:01.079
forty seconds, And that was the
closest UFO I had seen. That was

492
00:38:01.159 --> 00:38:07.159
actually the first UFO that I had
seen. And after that is when I

493
00:38:07.239 --> 00:38:10.480
started taking the pictures. But the
pictures were of objects that were farther away.

494
00:38:10.599 --> 00:38:15.199
This thing you could have thrown a
rock at it. Wow, how

495
00:38:15.280 --> 00:38:20.800
big do you think it was?
It was probably I would say you take

496
00:38:20.920 --> 00:38:25.159
two good size sports utility vehicles,
you know, next to each other something

497
00:38:25.280 --> 00:38:28.400
like that, you know, maybe
just two or three, you know,

498
00:38:29.119 --> 00:38:31.480
but it wasn't too big, but
the way that it flew, it was

499
00:38:31.599 --> 00:38:36.719
just hovering and just kind of wobbling
there over the house is not too high,

500
00:38:36.760 --> 00:38:38.320
at like thirty forty feet, you
know, right, you know,

501
00:38:38.679 --> 00:38:45.519
like real low. And at first
I thought when I saw maybe the wind

502
00:38:45.599 --> 00:38:50.920
picked up somebody's you know, trampling
or you know, stuff and flipped it

503
00:38:51.039 --> 00:38:52.480
up there. But there was no
wind. But you know, I made

504
00:38:52.480 --> 00:38:57.159
a note of that, there's no
wind, and it doesn't look like it's

505
00:38:57.199 --> 00:38:59.800
caught in you know, like the
brief line up there. You know,

506
00:39:00.039 --> 00:39:01.880
it was just like sitting there,
you know, like fairly moving, you

507
00:39:01.960 --> 00:39:07.400
know. And after that, you
know, and then with the experience that

508
00:39:07.440 --> 00:39:10.400
I had earlier when I was a
kid in the bed in the bedroom,

509
00:39:10.440 --> 00:39:15.239
you know, you know, I
you know, and these pictures that I've

510
00:39:15.280 --> 00:39:19.280
been seeing in these books, you
know, that's one that's kind of how

511
00:39:19.400 --> 00:39:23.280
it all escalated to nineteen ninety five
when I got the first video camera.

512
00:39:24.039 --> 00:39:28.920
And I had lived in Phoenix as
knowna since nineteen eighty eight, so I

513
00:39:29.000 --> 00:39:31.000
hadn't been here that long when I
got the camera, you know, a

514
00:39:31.079 --> 00:39:36.920
few years, you know, so
you know, after that, it just

515
00:39:37.400 --> 00:39:42.840
it just evolved into the video footage
of these things. So it definitely sounds

516
00:39:42.920 --> 00:39:47.960
like your person who has more UFO
signings than the average person out there.

517
00:39:49.960 --> 00:39:53.760
Why do you think that is?
Well, if it's just looking for him

518
00:39:53.800 --> 00:39:59.159
as saying, I mean, if
you look, if you spend you know,

519
00:39:59.280 --> 00:40:04.000
let's say you spend in twenty hours
a week looking like at the sky

520
00:40:04.559 --> 00:40:07.840
at different angles. You know,
if you can put that much time into

521
00:40:07.880 --> 00:40:12.679
it, you won't belong until you
start paving good stuff. If you have

522
00:40:12.840 --> 00:40:16.320
some good equipment right next to you, like some really good binoculars, you

523
00:40:16.400 --> 00:40:20.400
know, if you can afford,
you know, to buy a little thing,

524
00:40:20.679 --> 00:40:22.320
you know, a few things,
you can document some of your sightings

525
00:40:22.559 --> 00:40:27.719
pretty easily with, you know,
with some simple some video cameras, some

526
00:40:27.880 --> 00:40:31.639
nice video cameras, and some binoculars. Could could be real nice power high

527
00:40:31.679 --> 00:40:38.480
power binocular So I people, I'm
sure people have suggested to you that perhaps

528
00:40:39.880 --> 00:40:45.559
it's you that maybe these things are
attracted to you a bit. Have you

529
00:40:45.599 --> 00:40:49.360
ever thought of that? Yeah,
it could could be. I mean there

530
00:40:49.400 --> 00:40:52.760
could be a lot of well,
when you're video taping multiple objects over years,

531
00:40:52.960 --> 00:40:58.159
years and pick years sort of,
you know a time frame, you

532
00:40:58.239 --> 00:41:00.960
know, a lot of different things
falling, you know, you know,

533
00:41:01.119 --> 00:41:06.079
into what these things could be.
You know, of course I've had,

534
00:41:06.400 --> 00:41:09.639
like I said, some very you
know, eerie, weird experiences, not

535
00:41:09.880 --> 00:41:13.920
just the one I was telling you
about my earliest one, but a few

536
00:41:14.000 --> 00:41:17.840
other other ones up into the point
of before I moved to Phoenix, and

537
00:41:20.559 --> 00:41:23.760
and it makes you wonder if these
some of these things your videotape are the

538
00:41:23.880 --> 00:41:29.760
same, you know, related to
the experiences that you've had right your life,

539
00:41:29.800 --> 00:41:31.800
the ones that you can't explain,
you know. But then of course

540
00:41:31.960 --> 00:41:37.039
you're videotaping all kinds of stuff,
so uh, it's not related to just

541
00:41:37.239 --> 00:41:43.320
one type of sighting. If you've
noticed on any of my videotapes, it

542
00:41:43.400 --> 00:41:47.760
seems like every single object is different
than the last one. There's never one

543
00:41:47.880 --> 00:41:51.679
that's the same as the other one. Yeah, that's one thing I was

544
00:41:51.719 --> 00:41:57.639
going to bring up about your videos
especially, is that the object are so

545
00:41:57.880 --> 00:42:04.079
varied in shape. But you know, it's really a funny thing because we

546
00:42:04.239 --> 00:42:07.079
have a lot of common UFOs where
you know, you get to like a

547
00:42:07.159 --> 00:42:12.960
white dot high in the sky and
you get high power lenses on it and

548
00:42:13.239 --> 00:42:15.920
no one can figure it out.
But it's not a star and it's not

549
00:42:15.039 --> 00:42:19.320
a planet, and it's not a
balloon, and it's not a plane,

550
00:42:19.400 --> 00:42:23.760
and it's something you know that people
baffled. And those ones show up over

551
00:42:23.800 --> 00:42:27.920
and over again, and lots of
people take the same ones. And you

552
00:42:28.000 --> 00:42:30.239
know, then we have other ones
that are I'm sure you're familiar with this,

553
00:42:30.440 --> 00:42:35.079
the one that night that are just
a certain color of red that it

554
00:42:35.199 --> 00:42:37.599
looks kind of like a flare,
but it's not a flare that moves.

555
00:42:38.119 --> 00:42:44.679
Look, those are reported, you
know, all over the valley. It's

556
00:42:44.719 --> 00:42:47.480
one of the most common ones.
But what I do is I use the

557
00:42:47.960 --> 00:42:52.000
Peters Dabbin for its website with you
know, the Arizona page, because you

558
00:42:52.119 --> 00:42:58.880
can see, you know, a
lot of common you know, flaps that

559
00:42:59.159 --> 00:43:02.480
happen in each air yea of the
certain kinds of UFOs I'm telling you about.

560
00:43:02.559 --> 00:43:07.320
Like you'll see a flap of these
white ones over a period of time,

561
00:43:07.400 --> 00:43:10.880
and then you'll notice at night that
the red ufo and people describing its

562
00:43:10.960 --> 00:43:15.639
the same same thing. I don't
know if you ever go through the Arizona

563
00:43:15.719 --> 00:43:19.360
page on the Davenport side, but
it'll give it gives you kind of aware,

564
00:43:20.840 --> 00:43:22.760
an awareness of where to look for
them. If you want to tape

565
00:43:22.840 --> 00:43:28.599
these things a video, you know, or have an investigation in a certain

566
00:43:28.639 --> 00:43:37.400
area. We use Peter Davenport page
back in nineteen ninety seven when I was

567
00:43:37.519 --> 00:43:43.400
running a different site with another guy, another investigation UFO investigator that's out of

568
00:43:43.440 --> 00:43:47.559
the field right now. The website
doesn't exist anymore either. A lot of

569
00:43:47.599 --> 00:43:52.880
people that are listening probably know exactly
what I'm talking about, But we use

570
00:43:53.000 --> 00:44:00.280
the Davenport side to pinpoint and videotape
multiple red light sidings through ninety eight,

571
00:44:00.559 --> 00:44:06.599
all the way through like here two
thousand and one, and we had a

572
00:44:06.880 --> 00:44:12.599
few news investigators that were out there, and this was on Channel ten,

573
00:44:12.800 --> 00:44:17.320
Channel twelve, Channel five, This
was on all the channels. But you

574
00:44:17.400 --> 00:44:22.159
know, so Arizona goes through these
waves of flats and this was not really

575
00:44:22.400 --> 00:44:27.599
the Phoenix license to them at all. This was multiple signs for Gilbert Chandler

576
00:44:27.920 --> 00:44:36.760
Mesa. So yeah, it's if
there's patterns, and there's waves, and

577
00:44:36.800 --> 00:44:39.320
there's you know, there's different types
of side right, And that's interesting that

578
00:44:39.400 --> 00:44:45.079
you have used because that's then something
that anybody out there could do, because

579
00:44:45.440 --> 00:44:52.000
what you're talking about is Peter Davenport's
Newfork site and where they track UFO sightings

580
00:44:52.199 --> 00:44:57.920
for all over the country. You
could do this with the move on one

581
00:44:58.000 --> 00:45:05.360
too, and and that way you
can it's National UFO or know it's Sporting

582
00:45:05.480 --> 00:45:08.519
Center. Yeah, the National UFO
Reporting Center and what is it just new

583
00:45:08.639 --> 00:45:17.719
fuk dot net and UFO C I
think new Fork, uh yeah, but

584
00:45:17.840 --> 00:45:21.679
anyway, that way you could look
for trends to find out Yeah, new

585
00:45:21.760 --> 00:45:25.039
fork dot org and u f O
rc dot org. You can track sightings

586
00:45:25.079 --> 00:45:28.719
in your area. And you're saying
that way, then you can go nowhere

587
00:45:28.800 --> 00:45:31.119
to go to look for UFOs.
And that's worked for you. It's that

588
00:45:31.320 --> 00:45:35.320
when people always ask me, how
do you take some of the UFOs?

589
00:45:35.400 --> 00:45:37.760
You know, where do you go
to see all this? And I could,

590
00:45:37.880 --> 00:45:40.280
you know, tell you, you
know, ninety nine percent of them.

591
00:45:40.320 --> 00:45:44.159
I just go out in my backyard
and look around for a little while

592
00:45:44.239 --> 00:45:49.639
and and something will show up,
you know. And you know, we

593
00:45:49.800 --> 00:45:52.960
does hundreds of hours of stuff that
you know when you go through it,

594
00:45:53.199 --> 00:45:57.199
you know, you take the belt
to the belt because a lot of stuff

595
00:45:57.280 --> 00:46:00.880
could be you know, we will
a lot a lot of stuff too.

596
00:46:00.039 --> 00:46:06.840
When we shoot have skywatchers you know, you you start to you know,

597
00:46:07.000 --> 00:46:10.760
figure out which ones are balloons or
spider webs. A lot of stuff in

598
00:46:10.960 --> 00:46:15.239
early UFOs, A lot of videos
turned out to be balloons or spider webs,

599
00:46:15.280 --> 00:46:19.480
and you know, these were a
lot of these rods turned about out

600
00:46:19.559 --> 00:46:22.360
to be insects and stuff like that. So you have to have a real

601
00:46:22.480 --> 00:46:29.880
skeptically and I've earned a real kind
of rough reputation is being pretty critical on

602
00:46:30.760 --> 00:46:36.360
you know, any footage left alone
my own and and you know you have

603
00:46:36.480 --> 00:46:42.199
to go over it and rule it
out really before you can, you know,

604
00:46:42.800 --> 00:46:47.880
really tell people that it's something yeah, or even though exactly about it,

605
00:46:47.960 --> 00:46:52.639
because even when it turns out to
be a true UFO that you've taped,

606
00:46:52.679 --> 00:46:55.000
you know, you still don't know
what that what that thing is.

607
00:46:58.239 --> 00:47:01.480
Now in the nineties, you said
when you were doing the red UFO tracking

608
00:47:02.360 --> 00:47:06.840
that you talked to a lot of
press and that they were interesting. Right.

609
00:47:07.079 --> 00:47:13.000
How did they react? Well,
a lot of them were you know,

610
00:47:13.199 --> 00:47:16.719
honest, and they had good reports, and others they made the person

611
00:47:16.840 --> 00:47:21.920
have to be look like a crazy
person or a fool. You know.

612
00:47:22.119 --> 00:47:27.280
I was working as a news editor
actually during the time on a site called

613
00:47:27.400 --> 00:47:30.760
UFO video dot Com. He doesn't
exist anymore, and a guy that ran

614
00:47:30.880 --> 00:47:36.239
the site, Tom came, worked
for him and it's kind of like little

615
00:47:36.360 --> 00:47:42.079
UFO news site with videos and all
the guy watchers contribute their videos and stuff

616
00:47:42.119 --> 00:47:46.119
like that. And Tom was like
where the tooled on. One of the

617
00:47:46.280 --> 00:47:50.920
Channel twelve did a whole story about
the red light sightings and they did an

618
00:47:50.960 --> 00:47:55.760
interview on comm and they completely fueled
them and called them crazy and everything.

619
00:47:55.840 --> 00:48:00.239
And shortly after that, you know, he pulled the plugs on his website

620
00:48:00.360 --> 00:48:02.920
and kind of got out of the
fields. I don't know why, but

621
00:48:04.119 --> 00:48:08.119
it could have could have been because
of poor news reporting, but it seemed

622
00:48:08.199 --> 00:48:12.519
like they opened up a little bit
to the Phoenix lights. Over the years,

623
00:48:12.719 --> 00:48:16.639
if you notice, the reporting on
it hasn't been so skeptical and they

624
00:48:16.719 --> 00:48:20.559
don't really call as crazy as you
know, as much as they used to,

625
00:48:20.800 --> 00:48:24.639
so maybe the words getting out that
it could be you know, something

626
00:48:24.719 --> 00:48:31.079
to it. Mm hmm yeah.
Interesting. Yeah, And you do have

627
00:48:31.199 --> 00:48:35.400
to have thick skin definitely in this
field, especially when you're dealing with the

628
00:48:35.519 --> 00:48:40.920
press. I know you've experienced that. Oh yeah, oh yeah, yeah.

629
00:48:42.000 --> 00:48:47.719
They a few uh few local newscass
that I've been on. I've been

630
00:48:47.840 --> 00:48:52.519
really good, uh you know,
real good stories with my footage. But

631
00:48:52.639 --> 00:48:55.360
then there's been a couple of them
where they seem like, you know,

632
00:48:55.519 --> 00:49:00.119
it's gonna be really uh, you
know, a really good article, a

633
00:49:00.199 --> 00:49:04.119
good show, and then they bring
in a skeptic or a debunker to kind

634
00:49:04.159 --> 00:49:07.719
of debunk your I don't know if
you saw that one from Channel Ten's kind

635
00:49:07.719 --> 00:49:15.440
of funny because this guy from the
National Skeptics Association or something like that.

636
00:49:15.760 --> 00:49:21.599
I've never even heard of a group
that, but they featured my footage on

637
00:49:21.679 --> 00:49:23.880
there, and then they bring this
guy in and he said that one of

638
00:49:23.960 --> 00:49:31.679
my videos looked like a sky diving
planes, which is completely ludicrous because if

639
00:49:31.719 --> 00:49:36.960
you look at the footage, you
know, they were showing what he said

640
00:49:36.960 --> 00:49:38.800
and then showing the footage. They
were like almost making fun of what he

641
00:49:38.960 --> 00:49:44.159
said, like they were more on
my side, and the way they ended

642
00:49:44.199 --> 00:49:50.199
the clips of the news in my
videos, they were making me and my

643
00:49:50.320 --> 00:49:54.960
footage more believable than the skeptic,
like turning the story on him. Wow.

644
00:49:55.000 --> 00:49:58.880
So he got in a few jabs
at first, but then all of

645
00:49:58.920 --> 00:50:01.199
a sudden they slammed them with all
these you know, great footage, you

646
00:50:01.239 --> 00:50:06.159
know, saying yeah, you know
there's something to it, because otherwise,

647
00:50:06.599 --> 00:50:08.800
you know, we wouldn't have all
this video of this. But you know,

648
00:50:09.119 --> 00:50:14.639
so, well, that's pretty cool. Have you found that you've been

649
00:50:14.719 --> 00:50:22.159
able to convince other people, other
skeptics or other people who you were surprised

650
00:50:22.199 --> 00:50:25.400
that you were able to convince with
your video? Oh yeah, there's there's

651
00:50:25.440 --> 00:50:30.760
always people that are impressed with the
video, But what makes them a believer

652
00:50:30.039 --> 00:50:35.599
is actually showing them, you know, that they can see stuff themselves if

653
00:50:35.719 --> 00:50:39.320
they really wanted, you know.
But I also wanted to mention I got

654
00:50:39.440 --> 00:50:43.679
a you know. Of course,
I don't know if you mentioned that I

655
00:50:43.840 --> 00:50:49.079
was my website UFOs or Phoenix dot
com. But I have a new website

656
00:50:49.199 --> 00:50:54.039
that's only a few months old.
It's called UFO Footage dot net. And

657
00:50:54.159 --> 00:50:59.840
there is a new DVD on there
of a few skywatchers that I know that

658
00:51:00.119 --> 00:51:02.400
has been kind have been sending me
footage, some really good footage over the

659
00:51:02.519 --> 00:51:09.280
last like ten years, and I
was able to make this video and uh

660
00:51:09.760 --> 00:51:15.840
sell this. It's also it also
has on the website, it's got various

661
00:51:16.199 --> 00:51:22.159
uh UFO download clips from all over
the world from different sidings, from you

662
00:51:22.239 --> 00:51:28.039
know, different places. So I'm
kind of building that side up a little

663
00:51:28.079 --> 00:51:34.199
bits as a new you know,
a new forum for different UFO topics and

664
00:51:34.280 --> 00:51:37.960
stuff like that. There's a there
is a chat form there for people that

665
00:51:37.119 --> 00:51:40.679
want to discuss uh, you know, UFOs and stuff like that. Too

666
00:51:42.440 --> 00:51:44.599
cool. Yeah, and someone was
asking, you know, where can I

667
00:51:44.679 --> 00:51:49.039
see more of these videos? And
UFO Footage dot net is where they can

668
00:51:49.119 --> 00:51:52.159
go. Yeah, and if you
wanted to see all my uh you know

669
00:51:52.320 --> 00:51:55.920
video downloads that I you know,
not all of them, but you know

670
00:51:57.760 --> 00:52:00.519
quite a few of them. There's
about seventy of them if you go to

671
00:52:00.679 --> 00:52:05.400
UFOs over Phoenix dot com and then
it's the second button down where it says

672
00:52:05.559 --> 00:52:10.840
Jess UFO Footage. So you go
there and there's a lot of clips you

673
00:52:10.880 --> 00:52:15.679
can download. I have so many
to you know, I like to put

674
00:52:15.760 --> 00:52:19.079
up another couple hundred, but you
know, it takes so much time,

675
00:52:19.119 --> 00:52:22.639
and then I have plenty of bandwidth
to do it, and you know,

676
00:52:22.719 --> 00:52:25.440
with some much site, I have
enough space on there to do it.

677
00:52:25.519 --> 00:52:29.800
So eventually, a little at a
time, you know, keep checking back

678
00:52:29.920 --> 00:52:34.360
because you know, I almost got
one hundred downloads just on that one page.

679
00:52:34.440 --> 00:52:37.639
So uh, you know, when
I get some time, I'll be

680
00:52:37.679 --> 00:52:42.480
able to put another thirty or forty
up there here, and then it's keep

681
00:52:42.559 --> 00:52:47.039
checking back. I wanted to ask
about the Phoenix fights also, so I

682
00:52:47.079 --> 00:52:51.400
don't I don't know if you ever
are getting footage of that, but where

683
00:52:51.480 --> 00:52:54.960
were you and uh, how did
because you were in the area at that

684
00:52:55.079 --> 00:53:00.159
time? Right, Yeah, we
take some words there was there was lots

685
00:53:00.159 --> 00:53:08.360
of reports in the South Mountain area
of lights that we're in that area.

686
00:53:08.480 --> 00:53:15.800
But the March thirteen thing is a
whole other thing all together, because you

687
00:53:15.880 --> 00:53:22.480
know, originally the Maryland National Guards
said that they dropped flavors over the very

688
00:53:22.519 --> 00:53:27.719
Goldwater Range at ten o'clock, and
then a whole group other people said,

689
00:53:27.800 --> 00:53:30.480
no, that's not what we saw. We saw a triangular shaped object at

690
00:53:30.559 --> 00:53:36.400
eight o'clock earlier that night. So
you have two different events going on,

691
00:53:36.559 --> 00:53:40.280
and one of them very well could
have been the flares over South Mountain at

692
00:53:42.320 --> 00:53:45.159
at ten o'clock, and the other
thing was the tribal that people saw earlier

693
00:53:45.280 --> 00:53:50.199
at eight that didn't even go over
towards South Mounta. They went a different

694
00:53:50.360 --> 00:53:55.840
trash. So there is a you
know, a military base back there behind

695
00:53:55.880 --> 00:54:00.039
South Mountain. There's go Water Range
and they do drop flares all the time

696
00:54:00.199 --> 00:54:06.440
back there, So you know,
have you seen that before? Have you

697
00:54:06.519 --> 00:54:12.079
seen them dropping flares? Yeah?
Yeah, we actually did a we had

698
00:54:12.159 --> 00:54:17.800
some reports of of of stuff back
there back in think it was like eight

699
00:54:19.000 --> 00:54:24.599
nineties, ninety eight or ninety seven, and we went out and with this

700
00:54:25.079 --> 00:54:30.360
old website that I was working with, we went out and did an investigation

701
00:54:30.440 --> 00:54:35.239
on Maracopa Road back there behind South
Mountain, and sure enough, we were

702
00:54:35.280 --> 00:54:42.119
able to videotape the military dropping flares
just south of there from Baillier Fairy Goldwater.

703
00:54:42.239 --> 00:54:45.079
As a matter of fact, a
couple of them were right over us

704
00:54:45.159 --> 00:54:50.719
on Maracopa Road, which is off
of the military base, and we've put

705
00:54:50.800 --> 00:54:54.000
eye power on it and we saw
the parachute and everything off of them.

706
00:54:54.480 --> 00:54:59.079
That's what I was thinking, because
I mean, very Goldwater is pretty far

707
00:54:59.199 --> 00:55:05.239
from South Mounta and you have in
between Indian reservation, so they might it

708
00:55:05.320 --> 00:55:08.599
was definitely on the entering reservations because
we were right on Miracopa Road and we

709
00:55:08.840 --> 00:55:15.119
just we were on the north side
of Americopa Road, and the flare with

710
00:55:15.519 --> 00:55:20.199
in the desert right over our heads, and so they're definitely off targets.

711
00:55:20.599 --> 00:55:23.559
So, you know, I don't
understand, you know, why they're doing

712
00:55:23.679 --> 00:55:29.159
that or what the diversion is.
Do you have any idea. I heard

713
00:55:29.199 --> 00:55:36.039
a few theories about how how military
planes drop a lot of the cargo and

714
00:55:36.119 --> 00:55:38.840
stuff like that, or just to
get rid of it. No. I

715
00:55:38.920 --> 00:55:45.599
mean, I've heard of only when
there's like trouble and they need to lighten

716
00:55:45.719 --> 00:55:52.159
their loads. But I certainly haven't
heard of that like purposely over any populated

717
00:55:52.519 --> 00:55:55.519
or non military areas, because you'd
think they would get in a lot of

718
00:55:55.559 --> 00:56:00.800
trouble for that. Someone could get
hurt. Yeah. I heard a pilot

719
00:56:00.880 --> 00:56:06.559
say that sometimes the military jets and
planes they unload all their flares sometimes just

720
00:56:07.079 --> 00:56:08.599
you know, just just to get
rid of them. I don't know,

721
00:56:09.559 --> 00:56:13.079
I can see him doing that for
fun, because I know they do a

722
00:56:13.159 --> 00:56:15.960
lot of goofy stuff just for fun. I mean a lot of these guys

723
00:56:16.000 --> 00:56:22.000
are pretty young, and just like
anybody gooping around at work, that they'll

724
00:56:22.079 --> 00:56:28.280
do that kind of thing. Yeah, but that was a continuing occurrence because

725
00:56:28.840 --> 00:56:31.159
we were getting reports on the Hercopa
road and we went out there twice,

726
00:56:31.239 --> 00:56:39.920
and there was another incident that ended
up being flares too, and that was

727
00:56:40.000 --> 00:56:47.360
out by white tanks out there.
We're getting through reports in a certain area

728
00:56:47.360 --> 00:56:52.159
and we sat up and we saw
some flares. So, you know a

729
00:56:52.239 --> 00:56:58.840
lot of people think that those or
flares you know, or you know those

730
00:56:58.840 --> 00:57:01.639
flares, you know, the the
dropping our people think they're orb in UFO.

731
00:57:01.760 --> 00:57:07.639
It's especially right there by South Mountain
if you have that perfect you know,

732
00:57:07.719 --> 00:57:12.880
the spot where everybody're you know,
looking for him right there. And

733
00:57:13.000 --> 00:57:16.280
that's not to say that what people
are seeing over there and taping aren't UFOs,

734
00:57:16.360 --> 00:57:22.159
because of course we've had a long
running of UFOs and interested in military

735
00:57:22.280 --> 00:57:28.039
basis over the years too. So
now, one of your videos from May

736
00:57:28.119 --> 00:57:32.320
of two thousand and five is a
pretty popular one where it looks like in

737
00:57:32.840 --> 00:57:37.400
over a mountain some lights in a
cloud that kind of go on and off.

738
00:57:37.440 --> 00:57:43.039
And this is a video that people
can go watch on that footage page

739
00:57:43.199 --> 00:57:50.880
of Jeff's at ufosover Phoenix dot com. Now that I guess, yeah,

740
00:57:52.800 --> 00:57:58.559
do some people say that's flares?
And where was that? Well, that

741
00:57:58.800 --> 00:58:02.960
was over on Pinnacle Peak in like
fifty ninth Avenue there's a little park up

742
00:58:04.000 --> 00:58:07.519
there at Thunderbrook Park and there's a
little hiking area, and we went up

743
00:58:07.559 --> 00:58:15.360
there and we were doing investigation again
from a person that was seeing lights near

744
00:58:15.440 --> 00:58:17.440
his house, which is right in
that area. So we went up in

745
00:58:17.519 --> 00:58:22.639
the mountain then right there and we
were having a little interview about his sighting

746
00:58:22.800 --> 00:58:27.440
that he had and he had some
good video too that was very similar to

747
00:58:27.519 --> 00:58:31.519
what I shot up there. And
so after he was done with his interview,

748
00:58:31.559 --> 00:58:34.760
all of a sudden, those lights
show up and I just zoomed in

749
00:58:34.880 --> 00:58:39.880
and was lucky enough to get the
footage. And then right after the footage

750
00:58:39.920 --> 00:58:46.960
went away and we saw what the
F fifteen's come in from a different direction

751
00:58:47.320 --> 00:58:52.719
and kind of circle the air and
then leave like they had were interested or

752
00:58:52.800 --> 00:58:57.480
had seen those objects. And the
other person that was with me at the

753
00:58:57.519 --> 00:59:02.039
time was Pad Uskert from UFO Hunters. I've don't know that, yeah,

754
00:59:02.199 --> 00:59:06.719
but uh, the reason why he
was up there is because we were shooting

755
00:59:06.880 --> 00:59:10.800
the pilot for UFO Hunters. We
were doing a documentary series which would have

756
00:59:12.159 --> 00:59:17.800
which actually ended up becoming UFO Hunters. So it was kind of unique because

757
00:59:17.840 --> 00:59:22.760
here we're doing a documentary which was
going to be a two hour DVD that

758
00:59:22.880 --> 00:59:28.920
we were going to release on Fat
Side in My Side, and uh,

759
00:59:29.440 --> 00:59:34.000
when he got back to LA and
edited the the DVD together, Uh,

760
00:59:34.440 --> 00:59:37.840
he broke it up into a few
different parts and called the UFO Road Trips

761
00:59:37.599 --> 00:59:42.000
and they put it, you know, on a DVD and took it over

762
00:59:42.039 --> 00:59:46.400
to a History channel, and uh, they decided that him and Bill fat

763
00:59:46.440 --> 00:59:52.159
tut Bill Burns over there and they
decided to do the series based on our

764
00:59:52.400 --> 00:59:57.280
our our pilot. Yeah, that
was yeah, so that was kind of

765
00:59:57.320 --> 01:00:02.239
cool how that turned out. But
people say, you know, skeptics will

766
01:00:02.239 --> 01:00:07.239
say those are just flares, you
know, being dropped out of a military

767
01:00:07.320 --> 01:00:10.719
plane or something like that. Well, the only problem with that is is

768
01:00:12.559 --> 01:00:15.440
over you know, the area that
that's over is all houses and there's no

769
01:00:15.679 --> 01:00:22.119
It's like he was saying before,
you know, at least when we did

770
01:00:22.159 --> 01:00:25.480
our investigation on Maricopa Road, the
flares were over the Indian Reservation where there's

771
01:00:25.519 --> 01:00:30.519
no houses. It was all open
deserts. It's nothing there. So I

772
01:00:30.599 --> 01:00:35.599
don't really see, you know,
how they could drop those flares over those

773
01:00:35.679 --> 01:00:39.519
houses because they're all neighborhoods, they're
all you know, houses from miles and

774
01:00:39.559 --> 01:00:45.039
mild, So are you allowed to
do something like that over houses? So

775
01:00:45.599 --> 01:00:50.639
I don't think so, So I
called them the next day, Luke Air

776
01:00:50.719 --> 01:00:57.559
Force based the next day, and
and Pat turned on the camera and videotaped

777
01:00:57.679 --> 01:01:02.320
me talking on the phone to Luke, and they said that they didn't drop

778
01:01:02.440 --> 01:01:07.599
flares in that area, and they
don't know what I saw, but they

779
01:01:07.639 --> 01:01:12.840
said they were running routine training flights, and so I guess that would explain

780
01:01:13.960 --> 01:01:17.079
that jets that flew, you know, and circle the area after the lights

781
01:01:17.119 --> 01:01:22.920
appeared. But to me with it
on the video, it looks like the

782
01:01:22.480 --> 01:01:29.199
lights are disappearing from one part of
the sky and then reappearing in the other

783
01:01:29.320 --> 01:01:35.119
part of the sky, as if
they're going so fast they're like streaking across

784
01:01:35.199 --> 01:01:37.920
the sky. You almost see like
a streak if you look real close,

785
01:01:38.480 --> 01:01:45.039
like a blind fat like that fast. So they look like individual objects too,

786
01:01:45.199 --> 01:01:50.159
they do. It doesn't look like
one like first you think that it's

787
01:01:50.199 --> 01:01:54.280
a triangle shape object. It's all
one craft and maybe it can become that

788
01:01:54.480 --> 01:02:00.119
with those lights all connecting together.
But the way that I see it,

789
01:02:00.280 --> 01:02:05.480
after years of studying that and looking
at that, it looks like they're individualize,

790
01:02:05.559 --> 01:02:08.960
like four four what starts out as
four lights, and then one on

791
01:02:09.039 --> 01:02:14.559
the right disappears and another light reappears
on the far left. So it's almost

792
01:02:14.599 --> 01:02:17.199
like it's you can almost see the
streak, you know, like I was

793
01:02:17.239 --> 01:02:22.079
saying before, Yeah, it's a
really cool video. I've always really liked

794
01:02:22.159 --> 01:02:27.199
this video. I'm looking at it
again now and because it is so mysterious

795
01:02:27.239 --> 01:02:30.199
and like, like you said that
they don't last long. I mean that

796
01:02:30.519 --> 01:02:36.840
they appear and disappear in a row
and one you know, further out.

797
01:02:37.039 --> 01:02:40.800
So yeah, when it all disappears, Yeah, I was just gonna say,

798
01:02:40.800 --> 01:02:44.119
when they all disappear, then all
of a sudden, it appears way

799
01:02:44.239 --> 01:02:46.400
far away up into the right,
up I mean up into the left,

800
01:02:46.679 --> 01:02:50.880
and you know the screen, you
know, all of a sudden, like

801
01:02:51.119 --> 01:02:53.840
it's like what in the world,
you know, and you don't see any

802
01:02:54.039 --> 01:02:59.920
blinking lights above where those lights are, like the airplanes dropping places where you

803
01:03:00.079 --> 01:03:04.880
can't say them. You don't.
You don't see that really, you know.

804
01:03:05.079 --> 01:03:07.920
So I don't know what I mean
people could it doesn't. You can't

805
01:03:08.000 --> 01:03:13.559
drop plays over the houses, I
know that, And you can't release what

806
01:03:13.880 --> 01:03:19.920
shafe I've heard another person say that
it could be shaf h you know,

807
01:03:20.000 --> 01:03:23.679
are you familiar with that stuff from
Yeah, but definitely that you don't want

808
01:03:23.719 --> 01:03:27.920
to be dropping over neighborhood. Yeah, you don't do that. I don't

809
01:03:27.920 --> 01:03:31.280
know, especially in Phoenix, Whi's
dry like that in the middle of prior

810
01:03:31.400 --> 01:03:36.400
season. You know what else is
exciting about this video because I didn't know

811
01:03:36.559 --> 01:03:42.280
exactly where it was before. Is
that what you videotaped there probably could be

812
01:03:42.440 --> 01:03:45.920
seen from Fort McDowell. We're going
to have our SkyWatch coming up here next

813
01:03:46.000 --> 01:03:51.280
month. Oh yeah, that's that's
great. I can't wait. Yeah,

814
01:03:51.320 --> 01:03:54.920
it's kind of not too far from
that area. Yeah, it's going to

815
01:03:54.960 --> 01:03:59.199
be real fun to do that.
And I'm looking forward to showing a lot

816
01:03:59.239 --> 01:04:05.239
of video clips that we're talking about
tonight and hopefully people will will uh,

817
01:04:06.039 --> 01:04:10.400
we'll really see maybe you can get
to see something out there. And I

818
01:04:10.559 --> 01:04:14.280
was second before, you know,
maybe this thing will show up again.

819
01:04:15.079 --> 01:04:20.039
Now when you go out looking,
and it sounds like you go out for

820
01:04:20.280 --> 01:04:26.559
long periods of time, which makes
sense. Now, do you what is

821
01:04:26.599 --> 01:04:32.199
your success rate? I guess well
it comes in waves, it's very and

822
01:04:32.480 --> 01:04:42.920
sea in seasons too. Which is
kind of weird. Usually I start usually

823
01:04:43.000 --> 01:04:47.480
after March is usually the best time. During the day coming up, you

824
01:04:47.559 --> 01:04:51.800
know, right now is not really
good time because I notice different for day

825
01:04:51.920 --> 01:04:56.760
sidings anyways, nighttime sightings. I
have seem to have better luck this time

826
01:04:56.800 --> 01:05:00.519
a year for night sightings, but
during the days just doesn't seem to work

827
01:05:00.559 --> 01:05:04.039
out this time of year. And
I don't know know why, but the

828
01:05:04.119 --> 01:05:11.920
days sightings start getting doneter after March, and the night sightings, you know,

829
01:05:12.000 --> 01:05:15.639
I only get you know, maybe
one a year at you know,

830
01:05:15.840 --> 01:05:19.400
anyways of those. So it's just
kind of spirit. It's sporadic. You

831
01:05:19.519 --> 01:05:25.599
never really know when you're gonna get
get it gets you know. Video the

832
01:05:25.719 --> 01:05:32.719
latest one night siding is actually really
a good triangle triangular siding that I have,

833
01:05:33.760 --> 01:05:41.400
and it's on ufosurfinished dot com the
homepage, and it's the new video

834
01:05:42.519 --> 01:05:48.280
called two nineteen two thousand and ten. It's right under the race droop Wich

835
01:05:48.360 --> 01:05:55.159
Mountain h Van. Right underneath that
you'll see where S. Jeff shoots to

836
01:05:55.480 --> 01:06:01.559
nineteen twenty ten. But this is
a night like triangle peace And like I

837
01:06:01.599 --> 01:06:05.880
said, I get a really good
nighttime triangle like once a year. I

838
01:06:05.880 --> 01:06:12.679
mean that's that's if I'm lucky you
get two. You know, those those

839
01:06:12.760 --> 01:06:15.920
don't come around a real good ones
like that don't come around to off.

840
01:06:16.400 --> 01:06:19.880
So, like you were saying before, the great istio of time you put

841
01:06:19.960 --> 01:06:24.360
into it before you, it pays
off. It's quite a bit of skywatching

842
01:06:24.639 --> 01:06:27.920
for night footage. For day footage, it's not like that. For day

843
01:06:27.960 --> 01:06:33.559
footage. You can go outside and
look at the sky for about four or

844
01:06:33.639 --> 01:06:40.119
five hours and you should be able
to see at least one unexplained high altitude

845
01:06:40.480 --> 01:06:45.719
uh you know phenomenon, or even
a low altitude one, but generally they're

846
01:06:45.800 --> 01:06:50.800
more high altitude during the day.
And when you get like high power video

847
01:06:51.119 --> 01:06:55.719
lenses and stuff like that on these
things, you can see there's no strings,

848
01:06:56.840 --> 01:07:00.760
you know, the true you know, UFOs turned out to be either

849
01:07:00.880 --> 01:07:06.800
white or black object with no string
or anything attached to it. And they

850
01:07:08.159 --> 01:07:12.079
appear to be kind of a fuzzy
structure, like even though you have a

851
01:07:12.159 --> 01:07:18.440
defined video in the jug, it
it's like kind of stock and fuzzy the

852
01:07:18.559 --> 01:07:21.719
structure of these objects. And I
don't know really why that is. Maybe

853
01:07:21.760 --> 01:07:28.519
it's just how it shows up on
video. But when they're closer, you

854
01:07:28.639 --> 01:07:31.760
know, the more they're more metallic
looking, where you get like a real

855
01:07:32.119 --> 01:07:38.800
hard edge of you know, a
few of my videos on my video page

856
01:07:39.679 --> 01:07:44.679
of the black objects or like that, you'll know, the cell they appear

857
01:07:44.760 --> 01:07:48.360
to be like metallic looking, you
know, and then others are more like

858
01:07:48.840 --> 01:07:56.199
like I said before, soft like
almost like a blurry surface, you know.

859
01:07:57.639 --> 01:08:02.440
Yeah, I've had myself, actually
on two occasions, sightings of the

860
01:08:02.639 --> 01:08:13.360
really high white UFOs that looked like
just tiny balls that are really hard to

861
01:08:13.400 --> 01:08:16.000
see during the day. But yeah, that seemed very high in the air.

862
01:08:18.119 --> 01:08:20.720
So I've seen that too. The
ones that you say are fairly common.

863
01:08:21.079 --> 01:08:26.000
In fact, I knew someone who
took videos of that a couple of

864
01:08:26.039 --> 01:08:29.520
times, and I was skeptical when
she first told me she took a lot

865
01:08:29.600 --> 01:08:31.079
of these videos, and then I
saw them and I thought they were interesting,

866
01:08:31.199 --> 01:08:33.960
and you know, lo and behold, she was able to take me

867
01:08:34.039 --> 01:08:39.159
out and after a few days we
were able to have her own sighting.

868
01:08:39.199 --> 01:08:41.239
Right at least I was able to
have a sighting with her of that,

869
01:08:41.880 --> 01:08:46.439
So that was pretty cool. But
like, really I was just gonna Mentionine,

870
01:08:46.640 --> 01:08:49.960
we you know, back in ninety
seven, ninety eight ninety nine.

871
01:08:50.680 --> 01:08:56.680
My first couple of years with the
video camera, we I documented you know,

872
01:08:56.760 --> 01:09:00.439
I got like ten VHF tapes full
of video. You know that I

873
01:09:00.600 --> 01:09:04.279
was transferred from a camera of daylight
sightings and uh, a lot of them

874
01:09:04.359 --> 01:09:10.159
turn out to be caught and real
high up and some of it turns out

875
01:09:10.239 --> 01:09:13.359
to be balloons of course, and
a lot of them well you see,

876
01:09:13.800 --> 01:09:16.439
you see like an object that looks
like a boomerang or something like that high

877
01:09:16.520 --> 01:09:19.560
in the sky. And with lots
of times with the high power, we

878
01:09:19.680 --> 01:09:25.079
discovered a lot of those objects of
balloons died together from like a car logs

879
01:09:25.199 --> 01:09:28.319
or something that you know, somebody
just bought the brand new car or something,

880
01:09:28.399 --> 01:09:33.720
but you know, and they let
But so we noticed with other videos

881
01:09:33.800 --> 01:09:39.159
coming in through that time period that
there was a lot of misidentifications too.

882
01:09:39.760 --> 01:09:44.079
So when you really go through this
stuff with the fine toos comb, you'll

883
01:09:44.119 --> 01:09:50.479
find that people do shoot the real
boomerang, daylight objects and the and see

884
01:09:50.560 --> 01:09:57.359
the real orbs too. But when
you get tons and tons of video,

885
01:09:58.079 --> 01:10:00.800
you know, you have to really
look at every single frame and you know,

886
01:10:00.960 --> 01:10:04.239
try to be skeptical and rule it
out before you can say Yeah,

887
01:10:04.319 --> 01:10:11.319
that's definitely really you know, because
I, like I said, I you

888
01:10:11.399 --> 01:10:15.359
know, we shot me and other
skywatchers shoot a lot of stuff that we

889
01:10:15.800 --> 01:10:19.960
go through and you know, after
we weeded all out, there's the real

890
01:10:20.079 --> 01:10:25.159
thing. So it is there is
something there, but there is also a

891
01:10:25.279 --> 01:10:30.319
lot of people that that you know, that they're seeing other stuff. And

892
01:10:30.600 --> 01:10:33.319
that's good though, because you're gonna
see when like you're saying, your friends,

893
01:10:33.399 --> 01:10:41.960
he's got probably quite a few real
uh UFO images and when you're skywatching

894
01:10:42.000 --> 01:10:44.720
a lot, you're going to get
the other stuff too. So that's stuff

895
01:10:44.720 --> 01:10:46.960
a good thing. It just means
you're out there getting what you get exposed

896
01:10:47.000 --> 01:10:53.680
to get. Now your experience with
fact or fake. They essentially came out

897
01:10:53.760 --> 01:10:58.800
here and looked at some of your
video and then tried to reproduce some of

898
01:10:58.880 --> 01:11:03.039
it, and that's what you were
part of, right, Yeah, exactly

899
01:11:03.319 --> 01:11:09.720
exactly, And I was, well, it was kind of scary because I

900
01:11:09.800 --> 01:11:14.119
didn't really know what the show was
all about, Suius. When these guys

901
01:11:14.239 --> 01:11:16.720
called and and they're like, yeah, we want you to do you know,

902
01:11:16.800 --> 01:11:20.239
we've seen your video on other you
know, shows and all that stuff,

903
01:11:20.279 --> 01:11:24.279
and we want, you know,
you to do this show, and

904
01:11:24.399 --> 01:11:28.000
I know the executive producers that kind
of talking into it. But you know,

905
01:11:28.079 --> 01:11:30.239
because he's done some other you know
shows. But you know that I

906
01:11:30.399 --> 01:11:35.720
was on before is that Ben Hansen, No, Bob, Bob Kiva,

907
01:11:38.319 --> 01:11:42.239
OK. Yeah, And I was
on you know that, I was on

908
01:11:42.439 --> 01:11:48.680
the amp Mobile video with Paranomen News
with April Scott, which was Bob's production.

909
01:11:48.800 --> 01:11:54.000
And then I was on the World's
Best Evidence Connent tape, which was

910
01:11:54.079 --> 01:11:59.680
Bob's production, and I realized he
was part of the factor fake. Yeah,

911
01:11:59.800 --> 01:12:01.600
yeah, he is. He's a
content producer. So if he calls

912
01:12:01.720 --> 01:12:05.079
me and he says, I'm with
this show from sci Fi and we want

913
01:12:05.079 --> 01:12:08.640
to have you on the show.
And it was a great you know,

914
01:12:08.720 --> 01:12:12.159
it's great, Bob, thanks you. I'll do my third show for Bob,

915
01:12:12.279 --> 01:12:15.680
you know. And so I didn't
know it's too much about it,

916
01:12:15.800 --> 01:12:17.479
and I thought it was, you
know, another one of these UFO documentaries,

917
01:12:17.560 --> 01:12:21.439
you know. And so they do
the shoot and I knew they were

918
01:12:21.479 --> 01:12:25.720
going to you know, you know, try to see you know, what

919
01:12:25.840 --> 01:12:28.239
it was. You know. I
knew that part about it, you know,

920
01:12:28.399 --> 01:12:31.039
So that didn't really bother me too
much because I had done a show

921
01:12:31.479 --> 01:12:36.760
a couple of years before this show
called EXE Testures that was on Discovery Channel,

922
01:12:38.319 --> 01:12:42.000
and the host of that show was
actually Gilligan Son from Gilligan Silence.

923
01:12:42.079 --> 01:12:45.920
Patrick Yeah, Patrick Denver was.
Patrick Denver was the host show with some

924
01:12:46.039 --> 01:12:49.439
other guy, and their their show
was very similar. They went out and

925
01:12:49.560 --> 01:12:53.920
tried to fake footage, and my
footage was on that one they tried to

926
01:12:53.960 --> 01:12:57.680
fake and it didn't work. And
so I wasn't too worried about it with

927
01:12:57.800 --> 01:13:00.960
this other show because you know,
it was the same video cliff that the

928
01:13:01.000 --> 01:13:06.600
other guys tried to you know,
try to find you know, how they

929
01:13:06.840 --> 01:13:10.680
how it was done, and they
couldn't do it, so you know,

930
01:13:11.399 --> 01:13:14.239
you know, why not, you
know, And so but when I did

931
01:13:14.359 --> 01:13:18.600
see the show on TV, I
noticed that it was a lot more that

932
01:13:18.720 --> 01:13:26.039
I took a big risk because I
didn't realize how serious this show, you

933
01:13:26.119 --> 01:13:30.920
know, these people were to actually
calling out someone and actually finding if it's

934
01:13:30.960 --> 01:13:38.560
fake, actually come out and actually
debunk them and actually destroy that personal career,

935
01:13:39.000 --> 01:13:42.119
so to speak. Because I'm sure
that after watching the show for these

936
01:13:42.239 --> 01:13:45.199
last few seasons, you've seen a
lot of footage and a lot of people's

937
01:13:45.520 --> 01:13:49.520
careers go up in flames because of
these the show and these people. You

938
01:13:49.600 --> 01:13:55.640
know, so when they've vindicated my
footage and they couldn't you know, they

939
01:13:55.680 --> 01:13:59.359
couldn't fake it, and and you
know, they they basically even at the

940
01:13:59.479 --> 01:14:01.680
end, had my voice on what
they call a lie detective test or a

941
01:14:01.800 --> 01:14:06.560
stress voice analysis, and they concluded
that I was telling the truth through my

942
01:14:06.640 --> 01:14:12.520
whole interview and what I shot was
not faked and it was definitely something unknown.

943
01:14:12.720 --> 01:14:17.720
And while they were trying to fake
my footage, they actually videotaped real

944
01:14:17.840 --> 01:14:21.399
UFOs too in the same area that
I shot my footage. So I kind

945
01:14:21.439 --> 01:14:27.000
of vindicated the whole case. And
it was the first episode of the season

946
01:14:27.159 --> 01:14:30.960
of brand new season, you know, the you know Permie episode. So

947
01:14:30.039 --> 01:14:35.000
it kind of was great because you
know, that footage was also featured worldwide

948
01:14:35.079 --> 01:14:40.439
on Coast to COASTAM with Art Bell, and that footage was also, like

949
01:14:40.520 --> 01:14:47.000
I said, on X testers that
didn't become too wildly a popular or broadcast

950
01:14:47.199 --> 01:14:51.000
at at times. So this new
shows I got a little bit more teeth

951
01:14:51.079 --> 01:14:57.279
and a little bit more viewership.
Actually, right, Yeah, I think

952
01:14:57.319 --> 01:15:00.680
it was really exciting for people.
I I think people were skeptical about the

953
01:15:00.800 --> 01:15:06.039
show and the concept of the show
to debunk things. And you have television

954
01:15:06.119 --> 01:15:12.720
shows like MythBusters where at the end
a lot of times it comes down to

955
01:15:13.560 --> 01:15:17.359
not necessarily proving or disproving, but
kind of their own gut reaction that well,

956
01:15:17.439 --> 01:15:20.399
we pretty much proved it, so
we pretty much debunked it, you

957
01:15:20.479 --> 01:15:24.800
know, no, and it's it's
no grayer, it's black or white,

958
01:15:24.880 --> 01:15:28.800
debunked or not. And they'll call
it debunked when they haven't completely done that.

959
01:15:29.199 --> 01:15:32.920
And then with your footage, well, oh go ahead, oh,

960
01:15:33.079 --> 01:15:36.479
just with your footage. You know, you were kind of wondering how they

961
01:15:36.560 --> 01:15:41.560
were going to call it because they
were really trying hard to reproduce this,

962
01:15:41.840 --> 01:15:44.840
and then they couldn't do it,
and then boom, and then they got

963
01:15:44.920 --> 01:15:48.520
their own video. Well, the
funny thing about it is is I didn't

964
01:15:48.640 --> 01:15:50.880
read when I did it, you
know, I didn't you know, I

965
01:15:51.000 --> 01:15:56.119
thought that it was going to be
you know, you know UFO related,

966
01:15:56.560 --> 01:15:59.520
you know, to the point where
they're out there to prove that there's UFO

967
01:15:59.680 --> 01:16:03.319
is not disprove them. So I
was going into it thinking something different.

968
01:16:03.359 --> 01:16:08.880
And then also at the they do
something a little bit different than MythBusters.

969
01:16:08.960 --> 01:16:13.359
I think I haven't seen MythBusters too
many times, but with factor faced what

970
01:16:13.520 --> 01:16:15.880
I was saying before, at the
end of the show, they put my

971
01:16:15.000 --> 01:16:17.920
voice on a light attective, right, So they almost try to do a

972
01:16:18.000 --> 01:16:24.000
personal attack if they can get one. And I mean, I've seen a

973
01:16:24.119 --> 01:16:28.720
few of these guys. Did you
see the Jonathan Reid episode with the stake

974
01:16:28.800 --> 01:16:32.279
aliens. I didn't. Oh,
well, they put him on the light

975
01:16:32.359 --> 01:16:36.319
detector and they just tore them up. They put it instead of you know,

976
01:16:36.920 --> 01:16:41.319
like they did with me on the
show. How they they bring up

977
01:16:41.319 --> 01:16:45.600
the light sector stuff after they presented
the case. That's pretty much being real,

978
01:16:45.920 --> 01:16:49.520
you know, but with him,
But with him, they wanted to

979
01:16:49.800 --> 01:16:54.279
counter his lies right as soon as
he said them. So they set up

980
01:16:54.319 --> 01:16:57.479
the machines that when he said all
Ie, it lit up that he was

981
01:16:57.560 --> 01:17:00.960
lying, and then they came back
with a responsor like why did you say

982
01:17:00.000 --> 01:17:03.960
that? It's this machine saying that
you're on right now, And so it

983
01:17:04.119 --> 01:17:08.479
was like more even more of a
personal attack. So they're getting like more,

984
01:17:09.439 --> 01:17:13.680
I think they were getting more vicious
that show, like really trying to

985
01:17:13.800 --> 01:17:16.720
debunk all the all the hoaxes out
there, and that's a good way,

986
01:17:16.800 --> 01:17:23.359
that's that's good. But on the
bad end of it is what if what

987
01:17:23.560 --> 01:17:30.760
you tape was real and they duplicated
almost perfect and then debunked you on television

988
01:17:30.880 --> 01:17:34.520
and the facts remained that you would
still tape the real, genuine, bonafide

989
01:17:34.560 --> 01:17:39.439
you up o. Ye. Just
because you can fake something doesn't mean that

990
01:17:39.600 --> 01:17:43.880
what you thought wasn't real or that
a great point too, because especially with

991
01:17:45.000 --> 01:17:51.119
you know, uh the garage uh
special effects that can happen. You know,

992
01:17:51.199 --> 01:17:55.279
a kid with a nice computer,
you know, my MacBook right here,

993
01:17:55.399 --> 01:18:00.199
with some good uh software, I
could get and create some cool special

994
01:18:00.199 --> 01:18:03.600
effects if I knew how to do
that. Unfortunately it don't. And you

995
01:18:03.640 --> 01:18:06.800
can fake a lot of people like
those videos the UFO Haiti video out we

996
01:18:06.880 --> 01:18:12.760
were talking about earlier, that happens. That doesn't mean that every UFO video

997
01:18:12.920 --> 01:18:15.000
is fake out there. Just because
you can create a fake UFO video.

998
01:18:15.800 --> 01:18:18.359
Yeah, I'm not sure fact or
fake it deals with that. I'm sure.

999
01:18:18.800 --> 01:18:21.600
You know, every episode you see, they always bring up one or

1000
01:18:21.640 --> 01:18:25.560
two CG glips and they're like,
ah, give me a break, you

1001
01:18:25.640 --> 01:18:29.119
know, which you know that you
know that's a fake from a mile away.

1002
01:18:29.159 --> 01:18:31.199
You know, Yeah, I know
that. My buddy check Sukowski was

1003
01:18:31.279 --> 01:18:40.279
on the show talking about cattle mutilations
and he was really frustrated because they did

1004
01:18:40.359 --> 01:18:44.279
come up with kind of a cheesy
answer, you know that one. Yeah,

1005
01:18:44.359 --> 01:18:48.560
they attempted to actually brush the entire
phenomenon on the RUD with this ridiculous

1006
01:18:48.680 --> 01:18:56.920
explanation because they can't really account even
though it could that could that could you

1007
01:18:56.960 --> 01:19:00.000
know, punch a hole in a
lot of cases, It can't solve the

1008
01:19:00.119 --> 01:19:06.720
ones where you have h trace cases
on this this animal from from high feed

1009
01:19:08.039 --> 01:19:12.560
and other stuff. You know,
so there is some some different research that

1010
01:19:13.039 --> 01:19:18.079
that proves that there's something to it. Uh, that's definitely unknown for sure,

1011
01:19:18.479 --> 01:19:24.760
right, and got all that information. Yeah, that's one I really

1012
01:19:24.800 --> 01:19:28.640
want to press him on when we
are supposed to have Ben Hansen from the

1013
01:19:28.720 --> 01:19:32.199
show on soon and he's going to
be at the conference, and I want

1014
01:19:32.239 --> 01:19:35.680
to really ask him about that one
and kind of champion that cause there,

1015
01:19:35.720 --> 01:19:40.600
because yeah, they were they talked
about skin breaking and and bloating and and

1016
01:19:40.800 --> 01:19:45.680
of course that's not a precise cut, nor does it explain the organs that

1017
01:19:45.760 --> 01:19:51.159
are removed. So also, and
did you notice get the show where they

1018
01:19:51.199 --> 01:19:56.760
did try to pick the moon landing. Did you see that episode? Okay,

1019
01:19:56.840 --> 01:20:00.680
Well, their whole point wash was, you know, at the end,

1020
01:20:00.239 --> 01:20:02.960
do you think it was fake?
None of them would say it was

1021
01:20:03.000 --> 01:20:05.800
fake. They all thought it was
real, that the landing was real.

1022
01:20:06.319 --> 01:20:11.439
So on one end, they know
that they you know, and they faked

1023
01:20:11.479 --> 01:20:15.439
it pretty good. It looked almost
identical to it. So on one hand,

1024
01:20:15.520 --> 01:20:19.079
they also know that it's just because
they can fake something doesn't mean something,

1025
01:20:19.520 --> 01:20:21.359
you know, it isn't real.
At the same time, right,

1026
01:20:21.960 --> 01:20:25.760
they weren't there to go out on
the limb and call that a hoax,

1027
01:20:25.840 --> 01:20:29.920
and I think that that would probably
end their career if they did that too,

1028
01:20:30.199 --> 01:20:34.199
So yeah, that makes a lot
of sense. That's a really good

1029
01:20:34.279 --> 01:20:39.760
point too, that even though they
reproduced the moon landing video, they they

1030
01:20:39.800 --> 01:20:42.640
didn't call it a hoax like they're
doing with some of the other stuff.

1031
01:20:43.279 --> 01:20:46.600
So pretty interesting that show, And
I think you did you know? It

1032
01:20:46.760 --> 01:20:50.239
was pretty risky to go on that
show, And but it's it's great the

1033
01:20:50.279 --> 01:20:57.600
way it turned out because better They
actually want me to do another one for

1034
01:20:57.720 --> 01:21:00.079
their fourth season. Their third season
is going to air here sometime in March.

1035
01:21:00.119 --> 01:21:03.159
You're coming up and they want me
to do a shoot for the fourth

1036
01:21:03.239 --> 01:21:10.079
season already and and come on there
again. And I'm I'm kind of kind

1037
01:21:10.119 --> 01:21:14.720
of nervous system. Yeah, I
don't know if it will happen or not,

1038
01:21:14.960 --> 01:21:17.520
but I'll keep you updated and informed
on that. Yeah. No,

1039
01:21:17.680 --> 01:21:23.560
I think for them, they're they're
so excited about the footage, the UFO

1040
01:21:23.640 --> 01:21:27.880
footage that they got because I had
talked to him even recently, and they're

1041
01:21:28.359 --> 01:21:33.199
just so forward and excited about that
that I think that you're you're pretty special

1042
01:21:33.239 --> 01:21:39.760
to him that they hold you in
high regard. Now after that, oh

1043
01:21:41.239 --> 01:21:44.960
thanks, you know, I just
try to, you know, capture the

1044
01:21:45.039 --> 01:21:48.199
best, you know, that's one
thing with with videotaping UFOs. For me,

1045
01:21:48.319 --> 01:21:54.359
it's always been trying to top the
last or best you know, cliff

1046
01:21:54.439 --> 01:21:57.840
that I had. I'll be trying
to get a better clip, you know,

1047
01:21:58.000 --> 01:22:02.239
and that's fretting much. How I've
documented so many different syts of you

1048
01:22:02.319 --> 01:22:08.439
know, clips, and you know, I did notice that, you know,

1049
01:22:08.840 --> 01:22:13.840
more people are seeing them, you
know, it seems like than before.

1050
01:22:14.000 --> 01:22:18.840
But at the same time, my
videotape footage is kind of paper down

1051
01:22:19.239 --> 01:22:25.159
over the years. I you know, instead of tapering, uh, maybe

1052
01:22:25.279 --> 01:22:28.920
twenty or thirty a year, you
know, I've come down to maybe only

1053
01:22:29.039 --> 01:22:30.000
like, you know, five or
ten a year, you know, for

1054
01:22:30.119 --> 01:22:33.239
some reason, I don't know really
why that is. The just they just

1055
01:22:33.319 --> 01:22:36.720
don't seem to be as much as
how it used to be. Well,

1056
01:22:36.800 --> 01:22:41.079
now that I'm really in this field
too, I have not had a signing

1057
01:22:41.159 --> 01:22:45.199
for quite some time. It kind
of seems similar, and I often wonder,

1058
01:22:45.279 --> 01:22:48.479
I mean, it's pretty far out
there kind of concept, but if

1059
01:22:49.279 --> 01:22:55.720
there is sort of because I've seen
some correlations that are that seem to be

1060
01:22:55.840 --> 01:23:01.960
more than just coincidence in that,
you know, possibly sightings happen around groups

1061
01:23:02.000 --> 01:23:06.479
of people are for people who just
have to be exposed to this sort of

1062
01:23:06.560 --> 01:23:12.920
thing more than others like you and
I, who who already understand that these

1063
01:23:12.960 --> 01:23:15.880
things are around and have had our
experience, so we don't need it as

1064
01:23:15.960 --> 01:23:21.640
much as others. Possibly. Yeah, everybody in the UFO field starts out

1065
01:23:21.680 --> 01:23:28.560
in the UFO field differently, and
they're involved for different reasons and have different

1066
01:23:28.680 --> 01:23:33.720
experiences than other people. So everybody
in there that's so to speak, bit

1067
01:23:33.840 --> 01:23:39.920
by the UFO bug. A lot
of times it becomes like a major obsession.

1068
01:23:40.840 --> 01:23:44.920
And the people that videotape and take
pictures of the UFOs, that's when

1069
01:23:44.960 --> 01:23:48.600
their posession just you know, they
watched so much this guy, you know,

1070
01:23:48.760 --> 01:23:56.000
so much that they actually were able
to prove themselves right by just having

1071
01:23:56.039 --> 01:24:00.079
an interest. That's the thing about
the UFO phenomenon is the UFO phenomena and

1072
01:24:00.239 --> 01:24:03.159
will find you if you just take
an interest in it. I mean,

1073
01:24:03.199 --> 01:24:06.600
it's like a living, freezing thing. I mean, these you know,

1074
01:24:08.359 --> 01:24:13.840
entities will come to you if you
show an interest. That's all they're looking

1075
01:24:13.920 --> 01:24:15.560
for, you know. Yeah,
I kind of feel that way, you

1076
01:24:15.640 --> 01:24:20.560
know, because I had been in
this arena researching for quite some time before

1077
01:24:20.600 --> 01:24:24.560
I had my first sighting. But
then I did, and then I had

1078
01:24:24.640 --> 01:24:30.600
some regular sightings for a period of
time that where sometimes pretty exciting. Now,

1079
01:24:30.760 --> 01:24:34.199
which of your video clips is your
favorite? Well, I got lots

1080
01:24:34.239 --> 01:24:44.000
of favorites. I kind of I
like the I like the one if you

1081
01:24:44.079 --> 01:24:48.079
go to my video page, you
know, you know, the UFOs are

1082
01:24:48.159 --> 01:24:57.159
Phoenix dot Com Flash Jeff Slash footage
downloads, you know, the one off

1083
01:24:57.199 --> 01:25:01.319
of my homepage on just stucond button
down you can go scroll down a little

1084
01:25:01.359 --> 01:25:08.079
bit, and I like this new
newer crust a white object. It's a

1085
01:25:08.159 --> 01:25:12.800
cluster that I shot in two thousand
and nine. It's one thirty one,

1086
01:25:12.960 --> 01:25:18.239
two thousand and nine. It's one
of my most recent clusters that I shot,

1087
01:25:18.279 --> 01:25:21.560
and I kind of like that because
I hadn't shot a cluster for quite

1088
01:25:21.600 --> 01:25:26.880
a few years. In the last
cluster I shot was black, well,

1089
01:25:26.960 --> 01:25:30.479
they were black UFOs. They want
white ones. And I kind of liked

1090
01:25:30.520 --> 01:25:36.159
that one because it's a multiple signings. And then one of my favorites is

1091
01:25:38.560 --> 01:25:43.159
if you scroll down, it's four
twenty, two thousand and six, and

1092
01:25:43.279 --> 01:25:45.640
that's a knife peep of night footage
too, and I really like that one

1093
01:25:45.720 --> 01:25:55.079
because the lights do really amazing stuff
and they they move different and it's really

1094
01:25:55.159 --> 01:26:00.279
neat because that signing starts out of
two white lights at night, and one

1095
01:26:00.319 --> 01:26:05.439
of them disappears, and then all
of a sudden, three or four lighted

1096
01:26:05.560 --> 01:26:11.720
objects seem to be it's being ejected
from that last light, like all of

1097
01:26:11.720 --> 01:26:15.640
a sudden, four lights appearing,
and as each light is peering, and

1098
01:26:15.760 --> 01:26:19.159
it looks like if you look real
closely at it looks like each new light

1099
01:26:19.319 --> 01:26:25.760
that's coming on is being ejected out
of this single light that was left over,

1100
01:26:25.880 --> 01:26:29.399
you know, from the from the
beginning of the siding one that's actually

1101
01:26:29.439 --> 01:26:32.880
two lights, so it shapes itself
into like a boomerang shape of lights after

1102
01:26:32.960 --> 01:26:36.119
that, and then it gets real
bright right at the top and then the

1103
01:26:36.600 --> 01:26:42.760
entire thing just goes out and disappears. So I really like that one.

1104
01:26:42.800 --> 01:26:47.399
That's kind of neat. And of
course the one you were talking about,

1105
01:26:47.399 --> 01:26:53.199
the May twelfth one, that's really
a great piece too. But it's a

1106
01:26:53.239 --> 01:26:58.520
cool one, especially as a lighting
because it's that kind of twilight and it's

1107
01:26:58.880 --> 01:27:04.279
got a kind of food there.
It's kind of seems overcast, and yeah,

1108
01:27:04.319 --> 01:27:09.039
I like that one. Yeah,
And there's a few of them where

1109
01:27:09.039 --> 01:27:13.119
I got where that were. It
actually shoots another one out at the bottom

1110
01:27:13.199 --> 01:27:16.520
of it down if you scroll down
to the near the bottom of those videos,

1111
01:27:17.720 --> 01:27:26.239
it's ten five two thousand footage and
it shows a wide object that jacks

1112
01:27:26.279 --> 01:27:30.279
another object out. And I've gotten
a lot of those over the years,

1113
01:27:30.960 --> 01:27:35.039
but they're very, very unusual though, because you don't really know what to

1114
01:27:35.119 --> 01:27:40.760
think about that. Oh I remember
that one now that I found it.

1115
01:27:40.920 --> 01:27:45.560
Yeah, that one a really weird
one. That's a neat one, and

1116
01:27:45.640 --> 01:27:51.439
then there's some couple newer ones,
one on ten eighteen, two thousand and

1117
01:27:51.439 --> 01:27:55.800
eight, even though that was just
a couple of years ago. Those were

1118
01:27:55.880 --> 01:28:00.720
tape that was taped at one of
my newer those that I've lived in recently,

1119
01:28:00.760 --> 01:28:04.439
and that's kind of a lower That's
a good signing because it's like a

1120
01:28:04.520 --> 01:28:09.840
low us what you know, you'll
see at the end of the video how

1121
01:28:09.920 --> 01:28:14.479
of the UFO is low towards the
bottom of the house almost. I mean

1122
01:28:14.520 --> 01:28:17.560
it's like we'll almost landing or something, but it's far away, you know,

1123
01:28:17.760 --> 01:28:23.399
so it's kind of hard to see
what it is. But all right,

1124
01:28:23.560 --> 01:28:25.760
well, thank you so much for
being on the show. We're pretty

1125
01:28:25.840 --> 01:28:29.840
much out of time, and if
people want to come say hi and see

1126
01:28:29.880 --> 01:28:32.279
some of these videos, we're going
to keep You're going to be at the

1127
01:28:32.319 --> 01:28:41.760
Congress at our at our SkyWatch and
then I will and also I'm gonna I'm

1128
01:28:41.800 --> 01:28:46.279
also going to be bending there as
well, right perfect there in our vendor

1129
01:28:46.279 --> 01:28:50.039
area all week, and then you
need to come out to my house Americape.

1130
01:28:50.039 --> 01:28:55.359
I got great skies out there and
we'll do some skywatching, so that'd

1131
01:28:55.399 --> 01:28:58.520
be great. I get reports for
America, but all the time, a

1132
01:28:58.560 --> 01:29:00.720
couple of times a month. We'll
definitely have to plan it. That'll be

1133
01:29:00.840 --> 01:29:06.720
fun. Mine's crew. Well,
thanks Open mind, good Morrin and all

1134
01:29:06.800 --> 01:29:11.479
you guys, and look forward to
seeing you guys out there this year.

1135
01:29:11.840 --> 01:29:15.720
All right, thank you very much. Cool, We will see you there.

1136
01:29:15.800 --> 01:29:18.399
It's gonna be a lot of fun. Thanks Jeff. Coming up next

1137
01:29:18.439 --> 01:29:26.239
week, I don't know either ros
Hamsworth hopefully or another great guest, so

1138
01:29:26.319 --> 01:29:29.960
stay tuned and we'll get that information
up on the website soon. We are

1139
01:29:30.119 --> 01:29:32.760
out of time. Thank you for
listening to the show tonight, and thank

1140
01:29:32.800 --> 01:29:36.439
you for listening to Open Minds Radio. Don't forget to visit openminds dot tv

1141
01:29:36.640 --> 01:30:36.079
for more news. Talk to you
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