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Hello, and welcome to Open Mind
UFO Radio. I am your host,

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Alejandro Rojas, and I am here
with Martin Loco, Gringo, willis oh

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green and local. Yeah. Do
you know what that means? Absolutely not?

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Okay? Well tell your friends,
you know, when you go to

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the store or something and you see
somebody who you think might speak Spanish,

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tell them that you are gringo loco
and check out. I think it means

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a crazy Yes, no it does. It's a crazy white guy. Yeah.

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Yeah, well I suppose if the
shoe fits, no, so you

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shouldn't do that, they might treat
you weird. But yeah, I felt

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it was appropriate and kind of fun
to give you that nickname today. I

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hope that's okay with you. I
just hope it doesn't stick, but thank

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you. Yeah, it probably will. I like it, so I'll probably

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stick with it. But how are
you. I'm doing good, doing good?

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You know, we had a cold
snap back here in the East.

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It's been nice and warm all year. All of a sudden they had fifteen

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degrees last night. Yeah, I
saw that. Lots of places where it's

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really cold, And it was funny
because last night we were kind of doing

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our things sitting in bed looking on
Internet and everything, and you know,

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my girlfriend says, look, it's
uh, She's like, this is weird.

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It's like, you know, super
cool in the East, and it's

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weird just because we'd been outside all
day and you know, it's so warm

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hair. So it's kind of odds
that it's like that in other places.

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But the guest, I guess you
should talk about the guest first. My

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guest for today is Sean Kevin Jason. Have you ever had him? No?

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Ha ha, And he talks about
black triangles. Actually, he's got

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a Facebook page dedicated to black triangles. Uh, and the reason being that

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he had an amazing sighting himself and
he used to believe that the bright black

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triangle phenomena was extraterrestrial in nature.
However, after his sighting, and he'll

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tell us about his extraordinary sighting and
but after his sighting, he feels a

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little differently. So we'll talk about
that. But what's cool, of course,

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is just you know, when it
comes down to it, it's it's

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I've also thought more about this lately
because of the Phoenix Incident movie, where

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you know, we had that roundtable
discussion. They released a part of it.

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They released Nick Pope talking about the
Cosford UFO incident. But in the

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full version which they attached to this
pre screening which we got to go see.

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Uh, you know, we talked
more about black triangles, but Lee

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had his own amazing sighting, let
alone all of these other witnesses. Lee

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Spiegel, I mean, who was
in that round table. Oh yeah,

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you've probably talked to him about it. I've talked to him about Yes,

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But the black triangle sightings maybe are
the best sightings out there. I mean,

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people see them so closely and they're
seen so often, so it's a

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fascinating topic. I'm fascinated by it. I know many others are. So

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it's uh so that's what we're going
to be talking about. Well, you

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know that's something I had a friend
of mine, and very active amateur astronomer

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with his own radio show everything,
was carrying his telescope back to his home

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in England and a huge black triangle
went right over him. You know what

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I mean. So they always say, like, you know, how come

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astronomers never show you them? Did
I do it good enough to voice?

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There was good? Yeah? And
you know he's just there. There actually

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are a number of astronomers that see
something and amateur astronomers, but it's just

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not you know, I talked to
a few so far, so you know

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they're out there. They do have
these sightings. Yeah. Cool, cool,

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cool. So that's what we're going
to talk about. But next,

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before we get to the news,
and this is sort of news related,

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I wanted to talk to you about
the April Fools jokes out there. So

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of course there's always some UFO or
alien related April Fools jokes out there.

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Did you run across any well.
I actually had a friend of mine involved.

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He's a comedian and he used to
be on Dinner in a Movie for

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sixteen years. Oh I remember that. Yeah, he went on Heather Wade's

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show as a very conservative Republican and
people were getting angry. It was awesome.

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I was fun. I could see
people totally flipping out. That's hilarious.

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Yep. Yeah, so that was
good. That was April Fools,

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of course, and there was all
kinds of great stuff. I love Netflix

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thing. Did you see that?
Oh what was that? I don't think

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I did. John Stamos was all
over Netflix. You open any category or

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whatever, and John Stamoss was everywhere
and then the CEO of Netflix had a

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video on Netflix itself apologizing to John
and all of a sudden, John's in

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the background on the shoulder. Yeah, that's hilarious. It was good.

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So this is one. This is
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isn't Space or UFO related. The
rest of them are related. But did

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you hear about the Google one?
Yes, I heard something about it.

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What happened essentially got angry and they
shut it down or yeah, so it

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was already shut down, probably by
the time I woke up, because it

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was probably you guys on the East
coast that got upset about it and they

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shut it down. By the end, it was already news how Google was

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apologizing, but essentially, and it's
just people not paying attention. Although I

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can understand. Before my first copy
coffee in the morning, you know,

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I'm I'm liable to do anything.
I mean, I've gone, I've taken

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like, made my coffee and then
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the fridge and then left and then
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I know, I made some coffee
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find it in the fridge. Just
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Gmail had an extra button, an
extra send button. They had two

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of them. One of them was
orange. If you click the orange one

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to send your email, it attached
this little video of a minion and it

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attached at the end of your email
doing a mic drop. So a minion

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came out and did a mic drop
like I'm out of here, which is

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pretty funny, I think. But
the problem was is that people got really

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upset because they used Gmail for professional
reasons. And one person, although I

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find this very hard to believe,
one person said she was fired for accidentally

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sending the minion email. I guess
it's possible, but I mean, so,

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yeah, people were really upset about
that. Yeah. I heard someone

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send a job a drib resume ord
and you know that went through with it.

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So that's really funny. I think. I think people will have a

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good enough sense of humor for the
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see someone get actually getting fired for
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you know, like with an account
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people got to lighten up. It's
a fool's day, you know. Yeah,

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you've got to expect that sort of
thing. My Facebook by the way

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has been playing April Fools on me
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I'm sending posts from Roatan, Honduras, maybe because I tagged some photos from

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there, and that's a bit frustrating. But this is a really good one

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from Royal Caribbean. They wrote a
story that they're revealing plans to enter a

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space tourism and they put posted pictures
of this like galactic spaceship that's really cool

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and they're going to call it Orbiter
of the Galaxies. Cool looking picture,

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and it was kind of their April
Fools thing that they were going to have,

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but I think some people were believed
it. But what's also fun about

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it is that a lot of people, I think, including we, were

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like, man, you know that
spaceship looks so cool. I wish it,

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wish it were true. M Although
we're going to talk about something similar

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to this that is true. I'll
talk about that in a second. But

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the other fun one, uh,
this one was really cool. The Army

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released on their website and I know
this is going to trick people, and

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I'll bet you this is going to
be going tricking people going forward. Army

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scientists successfully teleport soldiers. So this
is on their website from uh, you

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know, the Army, and it's
like a serious press release about how they've

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been working on this technology and they
were able to send some of their soldiers

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to a site in Germany using teleportation. One of the funny comments was that

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a device not unlike the flux capacitor
seen in the Back to the Future movie

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series was employed during the experiment.
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this is what's gonna happen with that
one. I guarantee you there's gonna be

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conspiracy theories out there and people will
be talking about this five years from now.

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I know they copied copy the page
from the internet, you know,

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yep. But at the very end
they wrote the task Force expects to report

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its initial finding on April one,
twenty seventeen. So I bet people are,

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yeah, this is going to create
so many things. In fact,

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I posted on Facebook a story from
I can't remember which website, but essentially

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they were talking about here it is. It was from c net. So

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c neet did an April Fool's joke
in twenty ten about a time traveler,

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and it was a really silly one. I mean, it was the same

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kind of thing, except that the
Army one is actually more serious, so

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that's why it's probably going to be
more convincing. But theirs was kind of

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silly. But it became this big
thing where everybody believed it. They said

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even after they saw it became big
and people were believing it. They started

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posting that, hey, this is
an April Fool's joke. They even changed

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the title to say April Fools and
people were saying, no, they're part

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of the cover up. They're covering
up that it was real. This Time

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Travelers story so about a guy named
Eloy Cole, so that's kind of funny.

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So the other So those were two
cool space ones. Otherwise, I

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did repost some stories from past April
Fool's jokes that we wrote about. One

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of them from Chris Hadfield, who's
kind of a goofy guy, the Canadian

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astronaut who, by the way,
you know, one of his last times

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in space, he made that incredible
Space Odyssey video. I don't know if

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you've seen it, but he played
Space Odyssey in the space station with his

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guitar and he made a video with
video from It's an amazing video. But

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on April Fools when he was up
there in twenty thirteen, him and his

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colleagues they took some pictures and added
some UFOs and were pretending like they saw

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a UFO at the ISS and at
first they posted, oh my gosh,

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we saw UFO and it was really
obvious, kind of cartoony, look at

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the UFO, and then later they
posted, oh, we found the culprit

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and they have this cartoony little alien
that holding, so it's kind of silly.

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And another one which we wrote about, and this is really neat.

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I'm really proud of this story because
it's about Virgin Galactic's April Fool's Day in

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nineteen eighty nine. H yeah,
that far back. Yeah. Well,

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this one's really good because it scared
the police because essentially what they did is

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they created this big UFO looking hot
air balloon and they floated it around town.

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People were reporting a Ufoh yeah,
they really freaked out. And they

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landed it in this stadium where they
had this like et waiting there for them,

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and it was the guy that owned
Virgin Galactic. What the heck is

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his name? I forgot his name
right now, I bitterly not Elon Musk,

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Who's I'm trying to think, Oh, I know what you mean.

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Now, has that that's actually been
a round for since nineteen eighty nine?

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Uh, he did this, he
pulled this joke. Yeah, nineteen eighty

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nine, Richard Branson. Okay,
that's right. Yeah. And and so

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the police weren't aware or not all
of them, so people were calling in

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and police were freaking out. So
it was like this big deal. But

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I've posted pictures and this is what's
neat. So last year, on April

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first, Richard Branson wrote a blog
about this prank. But what was great

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about this plank prank? Because I've
known about it for years, I've written

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about it before. But what was
I was really excited about this because he

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posted a bunch of pictures that,
as far as I know, don't exist

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anywhere else about this prank, and
they're great pictures. And he also,

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you know, talked about the whole
thing and what had happened. Well,

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I you know, summarized what he
said in this story, and I posted

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those pictures on our story last year
about this, and he has since taken

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that blog down, so as far
as I know, and we've even had

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people contact us asking us about the
pictures as far as I know, we're

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the only ones that have these pictures
posted in this account from Richard Branson on

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the whole thing, so you can
check out our website for it. But

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the pictures are great and you can
see how convincing this hot air balloon is.

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I mean, they it's very elaborate. I don't know if they still

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fly it around or whatever happened to
the balloon, but it's pretty cool.

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Wow. Well, I had a
little bit of a prank pulled on me.

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I had h someone that I a
pretty serious, you know, researcher

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told me. They said they had
to tell me something in confidence. And

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this was ahead. This was two
or three days ahead of April Fools,

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so I wasn't ready. And they
said that they shape shift into a mantis

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and I read that and I went, well, uh okay, And then

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like April Fool's Day, they told
me they were a kidding. It's like,

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oh geez, I was thinking there
was some issues with the person going

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on or something. I thought that
was pretty far out there. That's pretty

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funny. Yeah, so they got
me. But you know, I was

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talking about the Royal Caribbean and them
having their you know, spacelineer or something

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like that. We're not that far
yet, but it is really exciting that

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there's more and more stories. And
I posted another one on my Facebook,

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but that the Bigelow Aerospace, you
know, inflatable module is going up to

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the space station to be attached really
soon here and we're getting lots of media

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stories on that, and that's just
exciting because it's the first step in him,

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of course UFO enthusiast Robert Bigelow who's
doing this, but it's the next

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step for him to create space habitats
for space tourism and experimentation. Kind of

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a private been going forward. So
really because it's so different and it's so

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novel, people are really excited about
this in the space community. So that's

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pretty exciting, you know. I'd
like to I would like to explore the

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topic of the possibilities of further space
travel and possibly you know, territory issues

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issues and stuff like that. It
would be really interesting to try to look

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into the future what could possibly happen. I know that there's already some laws

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set in place for the Moon.
I believe I've heard that anyway, there

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are Bigelow Aerospace has been challenging those
and there they've been actually a lead on

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figuring this out because they do have
They have met with NASA on another project

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to actually put a base on the
Moon. He wants to put one of

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these inflatable habitats on the Moon,
and but his his issue is working out

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the realist state issue, the law, the laws between behind can he do

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that? Who owns the territory?
And if he's going to plant something somewhere,

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he has to know that it's okay
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this territory because if there are any
legal issues that arise, it could of

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course be astronomically expensive to move it
astronomically. Yeah, what are they going

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to do with victim? Yeah,
exactly what you're gonna do once plants there,

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You're not going to go to the
moon and you know, so who

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knows. So, yeah, it
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Another one is, uh, we've
written about it, but there are some

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thing tanks out there that do tackle
these issues, which is really interesting.

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So they try to figure this sort
of thing out. Yeah, that's really

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fascinating. Really, Yeah, it
is. Is that could go into the

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Mars or any other, uh you
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really once we get to travel to
wherever it is. Yeah, you know

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who owns it? Why would we
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the alien life that's there or whatever. You know. Yeah, So the

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week before last there was a lot
of great UFO news, Hillary and Jimmy

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Kimmel, you know, yeah,
talking about UFOs an Area fifty one,

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the area fifty one people held at
gunpoint, the Roswell UFO and Aaron Rodgers

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quarterback seeing a UFO. Lots of
great stuff and we've got a lot of

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that on YouTube. We did a
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Friday, so people can see that. However, this week's a little more

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slow. We're talking about that before
the show. So it's good we had

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something to talk about with April fool
stuff. However, do you have a

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news story you would like to talk
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do only because it's something that I
haven't seen before from moufon. I've never

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actually seen anything. And this this
is titled Witness Virginia Witness reports possible alien

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alien abduction. Now a lot of
people are reporting alien abductions, so I

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wanted to see why this was different
and why it was posted in this Basically,

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this is a blog written from Roger
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year. This woman was preparing to
go to sleep and when the incident began.

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And it's a typical it's a typical
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of situation, except the there's a
bracelet involved. Now, this woman does

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a drawing and I had to kind
of chuckle the drawing because it's kind of

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like a smiling alien that looks like
he's kind of doing a jig or something

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kind of dance. But also,
if you she was talking about it was

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standing in front of as a patio
doll door and almost as tall as a

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door. That's a little different because
you know, usually hear these alien type

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beings only three or three or four
feet tall something like that. And so

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anyway, she talks about this bracelet, she drew this bracelet. It's got

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a little bit of blame going on
there, but it's got also all these

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little symbols like you always hear about
from either Justsine, Marcel Junior he mentioned

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that, or Jim Peniston, or
you know, other people have mentioned that

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they've seen sort of like writing on
a craft has some little do dads written

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on the bracelet, and so anyway, it's it's a it's an abduction report.

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It's also one that the first one
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or anyone wrote about from Moufon,
like Roger as far as I'm as far

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as I know, it's his first
blog on any abduction case. That's a

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good point. I don't remember him
writing about abduction cases in the past either.

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I think what was he I know
he found this one really interesting.

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I talked to him a bit about
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has these drawings which are really cool. I think he just found her to

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be very credible. So yeah,
it isn't interesting. It's a little different

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than the normal abduction report, so
it's interesting. I mean, who knows

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what's going on here? It doesn't
seem as though there's any physical evidence,

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so I always wonder, you know, are these non physical? Are these

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like a dream or something or something
more? I don't know. It's so

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strange, and before people get too
upset with me, I don't know if

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people realize that John Mack everybody loves
to talk about John Mack. He was

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the number one abduction researcher blah blah
blah, and he was great. Don't

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get me wrong, I'm a big
fan of his as well. But he

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did not believe that this was a
physical phenomena. He felt it was a

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non physical phenomena, that it was
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that was being somehow accessed or by
a third party. You mean basically was

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and this is basically the second time
I've heard the same thing this week.

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Are you saying that what he was
saying that there was something actually going on

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through possibly aliens or whatever, but
just not physically exactly. Hmm, Yeah,

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I know. I don't think a
lot of people realize that people think

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of abductions as a physical because you
know, that's what it implies, You're

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being physically abducted and taken somewhere.
And of course, some of the great

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place cases like Travis Walton or the
main Allegash people, or Betty Parney Hill

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that they do seem to be a
physical phenomena. However, he felt in

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the people he spoke with that it
was a non physical phenomena, and for

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the most part, but he did
feel that some sort of extraterrestrial race was

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engaging the human race, but in
a non physical way where they felt like

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they were being physically abdu but they
were being taken and interacted with. So,

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you know, that would actually explain
a lot of things why there is

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never any physical evidence and why there
are you know, occasionally we hear about

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witnesses, but usually there aren't any
witnesses. But the problem with that is

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you can't really prove that's the case. You can't prove that it's not a

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psychological phenomenon that's true. You can't
prove it is or it is not.

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Really, Yeah, so who knows. I don't know, you know,

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I think part of the discussion coming
up with Sean in a minute, we

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kind of talk about that and some
experiences he had that I think are really

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interesting in this kind of area.
But yeah, so you know, sometimes

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it's almost like some mysteries are just
meant to remain mysteries. You know,

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there is, as my son has
said to me before, whatever whatever it

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is, whether it's a ghost or
anything, there is some type of answer

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for what happened. You know,
no matter what it is, there is

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an answer. But to ever be
able to figure out what that answer is,

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that's the tough part. Yeah,
exactly, all right. So the

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case I want to talk about is
another story written by Roger marsh It's another

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movefine case. This is a video
case. This took place April fifteenth,

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twenty fifteen. A witness said they
were videotaping a pulsing square shaped UFO low

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in the sky. He said he
was walking towards his car when he saw

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this object. It was about forty
degrees above the skyline. And you know,

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you could watch this video and see
this object. It was kind of

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funny. He said. The object
was moving away from me very slowly before

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it disappeared behind the tree line.
And but his comments, I mean,

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you hear him and his wife is
skeptical and he's like, what do you

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mean, of course that's a UFO. At first I looked at it and

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I thought that's just a bright star. I mean, it looks like it's

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pulsating, but it looks like that's
due to scintillation or the atmosphere, especially

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when something is low on the horizon, the atmosphere is even more causes the

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effect of looking like pulsing and twinkling
type of effect. And so that's what

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I thought it was. But you
know, just so people know, Roger

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does pass these videos past some other
you know, the Scientific Board of Move

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Fun. Recently he's been doing that
more so to make sure to see what

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they thought. And I talked to
a couple of those guys and I said,

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guys, this looks like a star
and they said, yeah, but

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you know there's a witness, uh
what he says? And it it does

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move slowly. And when I watched
the video again and I put it in

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full screen, it is moving.
So it's not sure it's moving against against

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other stars you see other stars.
Well, it's it's moving slowly, but

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at a at a pretty good pace, more more quickly than a star would.

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I mean, the video is only
a minute long, and it moves

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a pretty good distance from the beginning
to the end of the video. Although

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that is it is moving slowly,
so it's I think it is moving slower

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than star, faster than stars would. Now it's moving straight and then a

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set at a steady speed, so
I guess. And typically satellites don't necessarily

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move slow. They moved pretty quickly, but maybe if one was moving away,

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it would have here to be moving
so slower than it was, so

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I don't know, it's I can't
explain in the movement. But at first

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I thought it was just no big
deal. I don't know. You you've

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seen the video, what else do
you have any other thoughts? No,

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you know, I'm actually looking at
it now, you know. I mean,

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it's it's too bad. A lot
of times, you know, though,

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I've tried to film things at night
and on my iPhone and it's just

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it's next to impossible. And then
you always get the feedback. Ah,

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it's another it's just a blurry light
in the in the sky. What does

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it mean? You know? Yeah, but it's still it's still interesting and

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I think you worth looking at.
Yeah, and the guy taping is definitely

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very enthusiastic about it. So yeah, Well, as we all know,

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I mean, when you're there at
the moment, your phone just not does

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not capture. I'm sure we've all
had this experience where we are somewhere and

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we see something extraordinary or great,
even if it's just a pretty something pretty

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that we've seen, you know,
and we videotape it, and you look

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at your video and it just does
not do you know, your experience justice

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at all exactly. Yeah, So
there's a couple news stories for people.

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Did you have anything else? No, I think I'm pretty much wrapped up

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for the day myself. All right, great, and did you want to

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give us an update on you?
Oh? Yes, hey, I'm as

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far as shaving my head for kids. I mentioned this last week. This

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is for children with cancers and their
families. It's a benefit I'm doing,

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and it's right on my website podcast
UFO. If anyone wants to donate,

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you can donate as little as you
want or as much as you want.

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I'm almost halfway there to my thousand
dollars goal. I have a four hundred

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and thirty three dollars raised from a
lot from fans that have pitched in,

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and it's going great. It's excellent. I looked at other people that have

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done this in the past, and
I would say that I'm doing pretty darn

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good. Awesome. Well, so
we have a weekend, a couple of

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days left, and I will be
totally bald for kids. Awesome. That's

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gonna You're gonna look great. I'm
sure you're gonna look like the Rock or

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Van Diesel. The women are gonna
be just oh, they're going to clamoring

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now, yeah, I did.
I did get a uh a message that

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someone said, well, i've seen
you in person before. There won't be

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too much hair on the floor.
So that was nice to get a nice

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little comment. It won't take long, right, so awesome, And we'll

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put the link in the show notes
again. And uh yeah, people check

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that out, you know. Also, is it a tax deduction? This

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is probably a nice fit. Oh
yes, it's all the forms. Once

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someone donates, they'll get they'll get
the proper code or whatever it is to

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use for tax deduction. Yes,
so that that's important for some people,

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this being tax time, people having
to get taxes done. Maybe Bob Bigelo

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will be listening, you never know, Yeah, Bob, hey, Bobby

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Baby, I know you're listening to
the show. Yeah, you know,

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go check this out. Well,
great, thanks man, all right,

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thanks a lot. Okay, let's
go ahead and talk to Sean. I'm

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very happy to welcome to the show, Sean Kevin Jason. Hello, Hello,

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how's it going? Aleandre? Good? How are you doing? Not

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too bad? So you're not too
far from here, you're nearby in Tucson.

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Actually, I'm up in Las Vegas
now. Moved here not too long

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ago. So yeah, and joined
Sin City here. Oh, I guess

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I didn't realize that. Yeah,
you're you're liking it. Oh yeah,

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yeah, it's actually my hometown.
So I just move back home. Cool,

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And I guess the climate's not too
different. Huh. No, this

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is pretty much the same as Tucson, just less casino. I mean,

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well, Tucson has less casinos obviously. Yeah. Well, And the reason

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I say two soon is because,
at least for a little while there,

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when I was helping and I was
in some Tucson moof on meetings, you

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were out there, so I think
you went to all of them. I

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got to see you there then.
Yeah, we've been pretty much running in

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the same circles for a while now, either it was Arizona or Colorado.

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Yeah. So I'm just waiting for
you to move up to Las Vegas now,

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Yeah, who knows. And I
do love Vegas. I've been craving.

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I need to make another Vegas trip. It's funny. People are like,

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you know, you don't really drink
or gamble, but there's plenty to

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do in Vegas other than that.
Watching people drink in the gamble is pretty

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entertaining. Oh yeah, yeah,
that's a show in itself. Yeah,

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exactly. So we've also been in
similar online circle so on Facebook and everything

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as well. Oh absolutely, yes, And that's what I want to talk

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about because you have an interest and
of course, as you've noticed, and

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we'll talk more about this in a
little bit. You know, we've we've

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had a lot of triangle UFO cases
that we've post did, but you had

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your own extraordinary sighting. Correct.
Correct. It was actually twenty years ago

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last month when I encountered a black
triangle on my way up to Area fifty

408
00:32:13.279 --> 00:32:19.440
one, back when I previously lived
in Las Vegas at the time. Basically,

409
00:32:19.440 --> 00:32:22.160
it was just late after work one
night, decided to make a trip

410
00:32:22.240 --> 00:32:27.720
up there, and on my way
had encountered a black triangle hovering over the

411
00:32:27.759 --> 00:32:30.240
highway. And this was like maybe
ten minutes outside of town, so it

412
00:32:30.319 --> 00:32:36.160
wasn't really that far. I was
certainly closer to Las Vegas than I was

413
00:32:36.200 --> 00:32:42.519
the Area fifty one at the time. Essentially saw it off in a distance.

414
00:32:42.559 --> 00:32:45.680
At first, I thought it was
just another car in the road.

415
00:32:45.240 --> 00:32:47.880
Looked like a bunch of headlights ahead
of me, but it was still far

416
00:32:47.960 --> 00:32:52.480
off that couldn't really tell what it
was, just assumed it was a car,

417
00:32:52.480 --> 00:32:57.079
but as I drove closer to it, I realized it was actually hovering

418
00:32:57.119 --> 00:33:00.920
over the road. And my first
impress was it was a helicopter, probably

419
00:33:00.920 --> 00:33:05.119
a police copter, looking for speeders. But at the time of night and

420
00:33:05.160 --> 00:33:09.079
the location just didn't make any sense. They weren't really going to find anyse

421
00:33:09.160 --> 00:33:14.079
feeders in the middle of nowhere,
that late at night. So I got

422
00:33:14.079 --> 00:33:16.680
to think, and then you know, of course this must be a UFO

423
00:33:16.799 --> 00:33:22.960
or something. Obviously, something flying
over the road for no apparent reason.

424
00:33:22.039 --> 00:33:31.519
As curious enough about how high over
the road was at twenty feet or less.

425
00:33:31.799 --> 00:33:36.200
Wow, so very close, yeah, very close. I had a

426
00:33:36.240 --> 00:33:38.880
pair of binoculars in the car,
so I actually put up my binoculars.

427
00:33:38.880 --> 00:33:44.599
Why I'm driving and trying to view
the object just in case it was gone

428
00:33:44.640 --> 00:33:47.720
by the time I arrived, which
I could see that there was something there

429
00:33:47.839 --> 00:33:52.200
that it definitely was a solid object
over the road shining the lights on the

430
00:33:52.279 --> 00:33:58.039
road. But trying to drive with
binoculars, you know, fifty sixty miles

431
00:33:58.079 --> 00:34:01.839
an hours not a good idea.
So you know, I threw them in

432
00:34:01.880 --> 00:34:05.880
the back and just decided to step
on it and see if I couldn't catch

433
00:34:05.960 --> 00:34:08.400
up with the craft, but it
waited for me. It didn't move,

434
00:34:08.440 --> 00:34:14.320
It just sat there, just parked
over the road. This was a highway

435
00:34:14.400 --> 00:34:19.039
ninety three, not too far from
Apex. Okay, And I'm sorry,

436
00:34:19.079 --> 00:34:22.679
what time did you say it was? It was just right around ten o'clock,

437
00:34:22.760 --> 00:34:25.519
between ten o'clock and ten ten.
The whole thing lasted about ten minutes,

438
00:34:25.719 --> 00:34:30.559
okay, And you were probably headed
what to three seventy five is out

439
00:34:30.639 --> 00:34:36.239
extraterrestrial highway? Correct? Yeah,
I was taking ninety three up in that

440
00:34:36.280 --> 00:34:39.559
direction until it eventually, you know, connects with three seventy five. So,

441
00:34:39.719 --> 00:34:44.440
and if I remember the area correctly, I mean it's it's pretty deserted.

442
00:34:44.480 --> 00:34:46.960
It doesn't take far to get out
of Vegas to be in the desert

443
00:34:47.000 --> 00:34:51.760
there. And there's some hills to
the left where the tone upon all the

444
00:34:51.960 --> 00:34:55.320
Nellis range and everything is right.
Yeah, And in fact, this area

445
00:34:55.559 --> 00:35:00.320
on ninety three, of course,
it's just on the south end of the

446
00:35:00.480 --> 00:35:04.639
Nellis Air Force Range. Wow.
Interesting, I'm sorry, So go ahead.

447
00:35:05.320 --> 00:35:09.639
So you started to come upon it, came upon it parked right underneath

448
00:35:09.639 --> 00:35:15.800
it. It was really low to
the ground from my perspective looking at the

449
00:35:15.800 --> 00:35:20.639
rear of the craft. It was
actually cutting off the mountaintops off in a

450
00:35:20.760 --> 00:35:23.599
distance, so it was low enough
that I couldn't actually see the mountains on

451
00:35:23.639 --> 00:35:29.679
the horizon because it just chopped them
off. It was, of course a

452
00:35:29.719 --> 00:35:32.800
black triangle. It was darker than
the night sky, so you can actually

453
00:35:32.800 --> 00:35:38.079
make out the shape of the craft. It had nine lights on it,

454
00:35:38.280 --> 00:35:44.880
and the light bulbs were what fascinated
me the most about the craft, especially

455
00:35:44.920 --> 00:35:46.880
since there was really nothing else you
can see. I mean, you can

456
00:35:46.920 --> 00:35:52.400
see the black outline of the triangle, but there was nothing as far as

457
00:35:52.440 --> 00:35:57.239
details on the craft to study other
than the lights themselves. And the light

458
00:35:57.280 --> 00:36:02.480
bulbs were simply filament floodlights, your
standard Thomas Edison type bulbs, well you

459
00:36:02.519 --> 00:36:06.719
know, not the type you would
use and say your house, but as

460
00:36:06.719 --> 00:36:12.000
far as the technology goes with filament
bulbs and the way they work in that

461
00:36:12.119 --> 00:36:20.159
respect, so the technology was very
man made, very familiar, nothing exotic

462
00:36:20.320 --> 00:36:25.320
or unusual about it. Were they
all white? Yeah, yeah, all

463
00:36:25.400 --> 00:36:31.320
nine white lights. And what was
the configuration of the lights three on each

464
00:36:31.400 --> 00:36:36.440
side or were there some on the
tips or it was shaped in an a

465
00:36:36.519 --> 00:36:39.280
delta formation, so you have one
light front and center, and then on

466
00:36:39.360 --> 00:36:45.119
each side four lights come on off
of that. But when I was looking

467
00:36:45.119 --> 00:36:47.480
at the craft and figuring out the
spacing between each light, it would have

468
00:36:47.480 --> 00:36:52.400
been entirely possible. You know.
Supposedly maybe they have some type of controls

469
00:36:52.440 --> 00:36:58.800
with the lights on these craft that
can you light up different arrays, different

470
00:36:58.840 --> 00:37:01.679
formations of the lights. So it
looked like the lights could have easily wrapped

471
00:37:01.679 --> 00:37:08.280
around all three edges of the craft. And was there any noise? No,

472
00:37:09.719 --> 00:37:13.360
you know, I was listening trying
to hear any type of noise.

473
00:37:13.519 --> 00:37:15.880
It was windy that night, and
you can hear when you're out in the

474
00:37:15.960 --> 00:37:20.000
desert at night and the wind is
blown, you can definitely hear it blowing

475
00:37:20.000 --> 00:37:23.320
through the brush pretty good. And
that was basically all I could hear was

476
00:37:23.360 --> 00:37:29.440
the wind blowing through the brush.
But outside of that, no, there

477
00:37:29.480 --> 00:37:32.199
was no noise. So you were
buy yourself out there under this craft.

478
00:37:34.280 --> 00:37:40.639
Yeah yeah, so yeah, then
what happened basically just sat there observing it,

479
00:37:40.800 --> 00:37:44.320
just couldn't take my eyes off of
it. I had to pinch myself

480
00:37:44.360 --> 00:37:47.960
really good unto actually drew blood,
just to make sure it wasn't imagining this

481
00:37:49.239 --> 00:37:52.519
or you know, it was some
dream or something. Just had to tell

482
00:37:52.559 --> 00:37:58.639
myself this was really happening. It
just messed around with the car, revved

483
00:37:58.679 --> 00:38:01.119
up the engine to make sure the
car was still running, everything was still

484
00:38:01.159 --> 00:38:06.440
turned on, and just basically waiting
to see what this craft would do.

485
00:38:07.679 --> 00:38:10.000
I just sat there, not moving. Finally I decided to reach behind me

486
00:38:10.079 --> 00:38:14.760
for the binoculars because I wanted a
really good look at the light bulbs on

487
00:38:14.760 --> 00:38:17.239
the either. So you didn't get
out of your car. I wanted to,

488
00:38:17.440 --> 00:38:22.280
but I was a little hesitant too. Yeah, I really wanted to

489
00:38:22.320 --> 00:38:24.599
get out and grab some rocks and
see if I couldn't bust out the lights

490
00:38:24.639 --> 00:38:30.360
on underside of it, because it
was it was certainly close enough I could

491
00:38:30.360 --> 00:38:34.000
have, but yeah, I was
a little hesitant about throwing rocks at this

492
00:38:34.159 --> 00:38:37.039
thing. Yeah, so I reached
behind me for the binoculars because I wanted

493
00:38:37.079 --> 00:38:42.280
a really good look at the lights. I was, you know, expecting

494
00:38:42.360 --> 00:38:46.559
maybe to see some type of logo
or you know, ge stamped on these

495
00:38:46.599 --> 00:38:52.480
things or something. So I couldn't
find the binoculars. I must have threw

496
00:38:52.519 --> 00:38:54.039
them, you know, pretty good
in the back. So I turned around

497
00:38:54.840 --> 00:38:59.639
to see if I can visually see
them and grab them. But split second

498
00:38:59.679 --> 00:39:04.039
I turned away from the craft,
it started flying away, So I grabbed

499
00:39:04.079 --> 00:39:07.360
the monoculars, turned back around and
realized it's not hovering over me anymore,

500
00:39:07.360 --> 00:39:13.920
and it had taken off. So
I scanned the horizon and noticed that it

501
00:39:13.960 --> 00:39:19.920
had exited to my seven o'clock position
from the direction I was facing, so

502
00:39:19.960 --> 00:39:27.239
it was kind of heading in a
westerly direction towards Vegas, halfway between Vegas

503
00:39:27.280 --> 00:39:31.000
and an LS Air Force range when
I spotted it again, and of course

504
00:39:31.000 --> 00:39:37.119
I had the binoculars on hand and
picked it up and was watching it that

505
00:39:37.239 --> 00:39:40.920
was flying away, And that was
the most unusual part of it was the

506
00:39:42.360 --> 00:39:46.280
manner in which it flew. Typically, when you read UFO reports, they

507
00:39:46.559 --> 00:39:53.480
fly pretty level, straight standard for
a flight, same as an aircraft,

508
00:39:53.639 --> 00:39:58.400
it's going to fly in a pretty
straight line. But this was actually hugging

509
00:39:58.440 --> 00:40:01.599
the ground in a way that it
followed the contour of the ground. So

510
00:40:01.639 --> 00:40:04.800
if the ground went up a little, it rose a little, If the

511
00:40:04.840 --> 00:40:09.079
ground went down a little, it
went down. It was as if it

512
00:40:09.119 --> 00:40:14.159
was controlled to stay twenty feet from
the ground regardless of what the ground did,

513
00:40:14.599 --> 00:40:19.679
so it just followed the ground all
the way until it eventually reached that

514
00:40:19.840 --> 00:40:23.639
mountain ranged It was just to the
north of Highway ninety three, And once

515
00:40:23.679 --> 00:40:28.239
it reached the base of the mountain, I was expecting it was going to

516
00:40:28.280 --> 00:40:31.920
fly over it, but it actually
climbed the mountain in a way that it

517
00:40:32.079 --> 00:40:37.840
just stayed twenty feet off the ground
and eventually climbed up, went over the

518
00:40:37.880 --> 00:40:43.000
top and down the other side of
it. Wow. And the last direction

519
00:40:43.039 --> 00:40:47.199
it was heading was basically towards Danellis
Air Force Range. Wow. That is

520
00:40:47.280 --> 00:40:52.519
pretty extraordinary. And like you said, a little different than other reports.

521
00:40:52.599 --> 00:40:58.280
Now you were headed to Area fifty
one, and so at this point,

522
00:40:58.320 --> 00:41:04.079
was that because you had an interest
in UFOs or was it an interest in

523
00:41:04.199 --> 00:41:07.639
black projects or both? Well,
at the time, I actually had no

524
00:41:07.800 --> 00:41:15.199
knowledge really of man made UFOs or
anything like that. I was totally on

525
00:41:15.239 --> 00:41:19.280
the whole alien angle, and I
made a lot of trips out the Area

526
00:41:19.360 --> 00:41:22.519
fifty one hoping to have, you
know, a sighting or an encounter or

527
00:41:22.559 --> 00:41:28.760
something to that effect. So that
night completely caught me off guard. I

528
00:41:28.880 --> 00:41:35.159
was totally unexpected to some degree.
I know the story is supposed to come

529
00:41:35.199 --> 00:41:42.239
out later this year and a book
from Ryan pronounced this last rod yes,

530
00:41:42.679 --> 00:41:50.559
yeah, and spray goo fun.
There's certainly more to the story. It

531
00:41:50.639 --> 00:41:58.360
didn't begin exactly when I drove out
there. The way the story goes was

532
00:41:58.519 --> 00:42:02.800
basically I was at work that evening
when I was told to go out to

533
00:42:04.400 --> 00:42:07.719
Area fifty one that night. It's
just something that's been with me since my

534
00:42:07.840 --> 00:42:16.079
childhood. I received these like images, precognition images, and usually if I

535
00:42:16.119 --> 00:42:20.079
do what it tells me, though, you know, come to pass.

536
00:42:20.320 --> 00:42:23.960
So this particular night, it told
me to go to area fifty one,

537
00:42:24.159 --> 00:42:30.360
and so you were compelled by this
inner kind of voice tell me to go

538
00:42:30.400 --> 00:42:32.559
to area fifty one at night?
Crap? Is it a voice or is

539
00:42:32.599 --> 00:42:37.039
it more, like you said,
more like a feeling and an imagery or

540
00:42:37.079 --> 00:42:43.000
something. It varies with each time
it happens. This was the only time

541
00:42:43.000 --> 00:42:46.360
it had anything to do with UFOs. Typically is just benign stuff in my

542
00:42:46.480 --> 00:42:51.639
personal life, and it deals with
either things happening to me or family members.

543
00:42:52.679 --> 00:42:57.559
But with this, this particular night, it's more like very strong,

544
00:42:57.679 --> 00:43:02.679
gut filling hunch with a voice based
go to area fifty one. And when

545
00:43:02.719 --> 00:43:07.679
that happened, automatically, I assumed
there's only one reason, because I've made

546
00:43:07.800 --> 00:43:13.039
many trips out there prior to that, and of course the only reason you

547
00:43:13.159 --> 00:43:15.719
go out there is hoping to see
something. So automatically, I assumed,

548
00:43:16.239 --> 00:43:21.760
you know that something must be you
know, about to happen, or I'm

549
00:43:22.000 --> 00:43:25.760
have some kind of sighting or encounter. That's what I was going to ask.

550
00:43:25.840 --> 00:43:30.320
I mean, when you first saw
this thing and saw it was a

551
00:43:30.360 --> 00:43:37.039
triangular craft, was your first notion
to think this is likely an extraterrestrial craft.

552
00:43:37.800 --> 00:43:43.679
Yeah? And actually on the way
there, because of that, that

553
00:43:43.960 --> 00:43:46.559
incident or a situation. The whole
way there, I'm thinking, Okay,

554
00:43:46.599 --> 00:43:51.239
you know, they gave me some
message, some signal they want to meet

555
00:43:51.280 --> 00:43:52.480
me. You know, they're going
to roll out the red carpet. I'm

556
00:43:52.519 --> 00:43:55.199
going to meet some ambassadard. They're
going to give me a nice four of

557
00:43:55.239 --> 00:44:00.679
the whole galaxy and tell me everything
I want to know, drop me back

558
00:44:00.719 --> 00:44:04.800
off at home, you know,
in time for bed. But you know,

559
00:44:04.880 --> 00:44:08.480
as far from what really happened.
And when I saw the craft and

560
00:44:08.519 --> 00:44:13.800
saw the lights on it and come
to realize that this was most likely a

561
00:44:13.880 --> 00:44:17.199
military stealth aircraft, although a very
advanced one, then you know, that

562
00:44:17.280 --> 00:44:21.039
threw me for a loop because at
that time, you know, like I

563
00:44:21.079 --> 00:44:24.960
said, I was all into the
whole alien angle and really knew nothing at

564
00:44:25.000 --> 00:44:30.239
the time about man made UFOs and
what type of technology we may have,

565
00:44:30.559 --> 00:44:36.639
and so and this inner voice or
this inner feeling that you get, do

566
00:44:36.800 --> 00:44:40.239
you feel that it is extra trestural
in nature or did you at that time?

567
00:44:40.280 --> 00:44:45.280
As your views changed on that,
well, that was actually part of

568
00:44:45.280 --> 00:44:49.800
the issue because you know, for
the many years after that, I was

569
00:44:49.840 --> 00:44:54.000
suffering from a post traumatic stress disorder
because of that night and dealing with the

570
00:44:54.039 --> 00:45:00.400
possibility that maybe I was an alien
abductdee that you know, maybe it's been

571
00:45:00.400 --> 00:45:04.840
happening my whole life. So I
had to really examine my life and somebody

572
00:45:04.920 --> 00:45:08.199
incidents that have happened throughout it determined
whether or not, you know, that

573
00:45:08.360 --> 00:45:15.599
was me or not, and wound
up going to seeing an abduction support a

574
00:45:15.800 --> 00:45:20.960
therapist, going to group meetings and
things of that nature. When Funny had

575
00:45:20.960 --> 00:45:25.239
just come to accept that the craft
was a man made not extraterrestrial at all,

576
00:45:25.360 --> 00:45:30.599
and that basically that precognition is just
something that's been with me since my

577
00:45:30.719 --> 00:45:37.599
childhood as just seems to be something
naturally I've been able to do and not

578
00:45:37.599 --> 00:45:46.360
necessarily there because of an et influence. Wow, So these lights were it

579
00:45:46.639 --> 00:45:52.440
seems one of the things that was
really striking to you because, like you

580
00:45:52.559 --> 00:46:00.039
said, they seemed to be very
much human technology, something similar to what

581
00:46:00.079 --> 00:46:04.000
you've seen before. Yeah, when
we look at filament light bulbs, you

582
00:46:04.039 --> 00:46:08.079
know, of course we credit Thomas
Edison for inventing them, but really they

583
00:46:08.079 --> 00:46:12.719
were around for a while before he
came along. It was just that Thomas

584
00:46:12.880 --> 00:46:15.639
Edison found a way to make them
better and commercialize light bulbs. And of

585
00:46:15.639 --> 00:46:19.599
course, you know, at the
time we needed a power grid to you

586
00:46:19.599 --> 00:46:22.679
know, keep the lights turned on
at night as well, and that was

587
00:46:23.039 --> 00:46:28.920
our first exposure to artificial lighting,
so to speak. And since then,

588
00:46:29.000 --> 00:46:32.199
you know, we have led lights, we have fluorescent lights, we have

589
00:46:32.239 --> 00:46:38.480
an assortment of different types of lights. And by today's standards, the incandescent

590
00:46:38.639 --> 00:46:45.400
ord the filament bulb is pretty outdated
only because in terms of energy use,

591
00:46:45.800 --> 00:46:50.039
most of the energy is wasted and
it's not actually converted over to light,

592
00:46:50.599 --> 00:46:59.440
rather it's turned into heat. And
recent years, some of these bulbs are

593
00:46:59.760 --> 00:47:06.320
basically being phased out because of that, and you know, and trade off

594
00:47:06.360 --> 00:47:09.440
for the more energy efficient fluorescent bulbs
that a lot of people are using today.

595
00:47:09.719 --> 00:47:14.159
M hm. So, but you
think these were a filament because even

596
00:47:14.320 --> 00:47:19.480
la LEDs nowadays now they have the
little chip inside of the bulb, so

597
00:47:19.519 --> 00:47:23.679
they're very similar to the filament.
But did you definitely see like the wires

598
00:47:23.719 --> 00:47:28.199
of a filament. Oh? Yeah, had very large coils. These were

599
00:47:28.280 --> 00:47:31.920
very large lights, a standard for
flood lights, and the coils were very

600
00:47:32.000 --> 00:47:36.159
large. So it's it's you know, standard light bulb where if you stare

601
00:47:36.199 --> 00:47:38.800
at a bulb long enough and you
close your eyes kind of like staring at

602
00:47:38.800 --> 00:47:42.880
the sun, you have it burned
on your retina for a little while afterwards,

603
00:47:43.800 --> 00:47:46.280
so you can totally make out the
coils and tell you know, that's

604
00:47:46.360 --> 00:47:52.000
exactly what it was. There was
no mistake in that. But again,

605
00:47:52.039 --> 00:47:58.920
if this was extraterrestrial or aliens,
their technology would be you know, far

606
00:47:59.000 --> 00:48:05.719
surpassed our own and wouldn't even be
easily recognizable. Presumably by the time they

607
00:48:05.760 --> 00:48:12.199
reached a technological level to visit other
planets, their artificial lighting would have also

608
00:48:12.239 --> 00:48:19.320
been equally as advanced and would have
been totally on a different level, which,

609
00:48:19.840 --> 00:48:22.000
of course in many abduction cases.
You know, they talk about a

610
00:48:22.079 --> 00:48:30.079
light that also can use to basically
pick people up and bring them into the

611
00:48:30.119 --> 00:48:34.480
craft. You know, lights on
a whole different level than simply a light

612
00:48:34.480 --> 00:48:39.320
bulb. So this was what ninety
six that you had the sighting, Yeah,

613
00:48:39.400 --> 00:48:46.400
March twenty seventh of nineteen ninety six. So then your thoughts afterwards,

614
00:48:46.440 --> 00:48:55.079
now you're very into the black triangles, understandably so, but do you now

615
00:48:55.480 --> 00:49:04.039
doubt the extra tra visitation is happening
or do you think perhaps what are your

616
00:49:04.039 --> 00:49:07.960
thoughts that way now? But I
know when you start bringing up man made

617
00:49:07.039 --> 00:49:15.559
UFOs, a lot of people get
a defensive, especially if they're feel they've

618
00:49:15.599 --> 00:49:21.280
had alien encounters or meetings, because
you know, quickly they try to say

619
00:49:21.280 --> 00:49:22.800
what you're just trying to say,
All UFOs are man made, There are

620
00:49:22.800 --> 00:49:30.360
no aliens, And that's far from
the truth. When you consider all the

621
00:49:30.440 --> 00:49:36.039
reports of alien sightings or encounters or
abductions, be one, hundreds or thousands,

622
00:49:36.360 --> 00:49:40.400
it only takes just one of them
telling the full truth to make all

623
00:49:40.400 --> 00:49:45.440
this real. Now that doesn't necessarily
mean that they encountered aliens, but their

624
00:49:45.559 --> 00:49:52.559
experience was when hundred percent real and
done as you know up to the investigators

625
00:49:52.559 --> 00:49:58.280
to determine whether that was truly an
alien they encountered. But certainly it just

626
00:49:58.360 --> 00:50:01.559
takes one real case, and I
would have to believe that out of all

627
00:50:01.599 --> 00:50:08.079
these cases, there is certainly that. So when it comes to black triangles

628
00:50:08.159 --> 00:50:15.159
themselves, do you have the feeling
that some are man made and some are

629
00:50:15.199 --> 00:50:17.159
not, or are you starting to
feel that perhaps all of them are?

630
00:50:17.960 --> 00:50:22.360
I would probably say the majority are. A couple of years ago I had

631
00:50:22.639 --> 00:50:28.599
crunch some numbers as far as black
triangle reports go, and the vast majority

632
00:50:28.639 --> 00:50:31.880
of sightings began really in the nineties, although I went back into the eighties

633
00:50:31.880 --> 00:50:37.199
and even the seventies, it was
in the early nineties that the reports of

634
00:50:37.239 --> 00:50:40.440
triangle UFOs just begin a skyrocket,
and today is actually one of the most

635
00:50:40.440 --> 00:50:47.000
commonly reported types of shapes of UFOs. But of course it's not the only

636
00:50:47.159 --> 00:50:52.159
black UFO. We had black triangles, We had black rectangles, as one

637
00:50:52.239 --> 00:50:58.880
was just reported on your site the
other day, black boomerangs. So it

638
00:50:58.920 --> 00:51:05.239
would seem that they have a bunch
of different types of possibly military UFOs or

639
00:51:05.280 --> 00:51:12.480
man made UFOs, And your sighting
was what about a year I guess almost

640
00:51:12.519 --> 00:51:19.239
to the day prior to the Phoenix
lights, and yes, And the odd

641
00:51:19.280 --> 00:51:23.800
thing was, I remember about ninety
five to ninety six, we were having

642
00:51:23.800 --> 00:51:27.440
a bunch of weird lights over Las
Vegas at the time, and I don't

643
00:51:27.440 --> 00:51:31.800
think it ever got reported, but
most likely it was Flair's but it was

644
00:51:31.840 --> 00:51:37.719
certainly certainly got me wondering about the
Phoenix Lights. But yeah, it wasn't

645
00:51:37.920 --> 00:51:43.440
too long before that. Have you
then taken a look at the Phoenix lights

646
00:51:43.519 --> 00:51:47.920
and drawn up some ideas. Actually, when I lived in Tucson, I

647
00:51:47.920 --> 00:51:55.000
had a good friend who witnessed the
Phoenix lights because of course after Phoenix then

648
00:51:55.039 --> 00:52:01.880
it was also witnessed over Tucson and
her and her whole family had witnessed the

649
00:52:02.000 --> 00:52:07.920
craft as it basically flew right over
their vehicle and seemed to be have,

650
00:52:07.320 --> 00:52:14.679
you know, heading right towards Davis
Mothman Air Force Base. So you know,

651
00:52:14.760 --> 00:52:20.119
I would assume that it was possibly
a military aircraft, one of the

652
00:52:20.119 --> 00:52:27.199
Boomer ranks. Yeah, I guess, really, And that's what's difficult with

653
00:52:27.239 --> 00:52:30.920
a lot of these reports and is
that you know, and when I was

654
00:52:30.920 --> 00:52:37.320
a field investigator, I mean,
even if I investigated a case that I

655
00:52:37.480 --> 00:52:40.679
thought was compelling. You know,
it was something that we didn't know what

656
00:52:40.719 --> 00:52:47.599
it was. The witness seemed very
credible. You still can't rule out that

657
00:52:47.760 --> 00:52:53.599
it is something a black project,
black military project technology to work working on

658
00:52:53.639 --> 00:52:59.159
that isn't available to the public.
Yeah, and that's also you know,

659
00:52:59.480 --> 00:53:02.679
a big difficulty with investigations is you
know, we just never know because we

660
00:53:02.719 --> 00:53:08.199
don't have any insight into these projects
as to what their capabilities are these days,

661
00:53:08.960 --> 00:53:14.880
so a lot of people could easily
mistaken these things for alien vehicles,

662
00:53:14.920 --> 00:53:19.519
and until they're declassified, we won't
know any better, you know, And

663
00:53:19.800 --> 00:53:21.920
you know, it brings up a
lot of You got a lot of good

664
00:53:21.960 --> 00:53:29.679
points about the nineties and black triangles. You know, the Cosford incident in

665
00:53:29.719 --> 00:53:32.599
the UK. Nick Pope talks a
lot about that, and that was the

666
00:53:32.639 --> 00:53:39.039
Phoenix Incident movie they did. Recently
they released a video of Nick talking about

667
00:53:39.199 --> 00:53:45.159
Cosford and I've interviewed him on it
and written about it. But that was

668
00:53:45.199 --> 00:53:50.760
a triangular case where a lot of
military saw it, and funny enough,

669
00:53:51.079 --> 00:53:53.159
Nick says they called the US and
said, hey, was this yours?

670
00:53:53.159 --> 00:53:55.559
And the US said, no,
do you have anything like that? Because

671
00:53:55.559 --> 00:54:00.920
we've had reports of stuff like that. Doo. Yeah, I can imagine.

672
00:54:00.920 --> 00:54:02.920
And of course, you know,
it's one of those things where everything's

673
00:54:04.000 --> 00:54:07.039
compartmentalized, so unless you haven't need
to know, you're just not going to

674
00:54:07.119 --> 00:54:12.239
know, you know, saying with
d F one seventeen stealth fighter while it

675
00:54:12.320 --> 00:54:15.840
was operating in secrecy, and we
had the whole squadron, you know,

676
00:54:15.960 --> 00:54:21.960
operating in a complete secrecy. So
you know, it comes no surprise that

677
00:54:22.039 --> 00:54:24.320
most people would not be aware of
these craft or you know, where they

678
00:54:24.400 --> 00:54:29.360
operate, who they're from. Yeah, it also seems that period of time,

679
00:54:29.480 --> 00:54:35.920
eighties and nineties, there was more
interesting sightings happening around the Area fifty

680
00:54:35.960 --> 00:54:38.920
one area because at that time it
was not like it had a lot of

681
00:54:39.000 --> 00:54:45.519
visitors. It was still something most
people didn't believe existed. I think they

682
00:54:45.559 --> 00:54:52.199
had a little bit more secrecy anonymity
back then as opposed to now where it's

683
00:54:52.280 --> 00:54:55.920
just really famous. Yeah, of
course. Yeah, in the nineties,

684
00:54:55.960 --> 00:55:00.679
that was a hey days when it
was just starting to get out. Glenn

685
00:55:00.719 --> 00:55:04.920
Campbell was out there, he met
him many times, and he was running

686
00:55:04.960 --> 00:55:08.199
his whole Area fifty one museum and
used to have conventions out there whatnot.

687
00:55:09.360 --> 00:55:14.800
Of course, today is pretty much
dead popular. You know, everyone knows

688
00:55:14.840 --> 00:55:17.800
about it, but not what it
used to be back in the day.

689
00:55:20.039 --> 00:55:24.840
So having been someone who lives in
Vegas or lived in Vegas and visited often,

690
00:55:25.400 --> 00:55:30.519
there were more visitors in the nineties
than there are now. Yeah,

691
00:55:30.519 --> 00:55:37.079
it certainly seems that way back then, Area fifty one was just getting out

692
00:55:37.079 --> 00:55:39.079
there thanks to Bob Bazaar, George
Knapp and all that works. So the

693
00:55:39.159 --> 00:55:43.559
nineties it really took off and it
was you know, an Independence Day and

694
00:55:43.599 --> 00:55:46.320
things of that nature. When you
go out there today, of course people

695
00:55:46.360 --> 00:55:51.360
still stop at the Alien n and
for a burger or whatnot, but it

696
00:55:51.480 --> 00:55:55.280
just doesn't seem to be as it
was back then, even if it's more

697
00:55:55.320 --> 00:56:01.880
widely known these days. And it
was so And now you have a Facebook

698
00:56:01.960 --> 00:56:07.280
page right devoted to black triangle UFOs. Yeah, it's called black triangle UFOs.

699
00:56:08.400 --> 00:56:15.679
Doing not too bad but yeah,
usually typically sharing your news feeds whenever

700
00:56:15.719 --> 00:56:20.159
there's a sighting of a black UFO. And what do you feel that you

701
00:56:20.519 --> 00:56:28.079
have discovered over the years looking into
this, Well, it depends with the

702
00:56:28.159 --> 00:56:32.400
triangles as scenes. Our technology has
advanced a lot more since I've seen mine.

703
00:56:34.199 --> 00:56:38.760
Some of the newer models, it
seems to they've mastered cloaking, possibly

704
00:56:38.840 --> 00:56:44.199
making these things invisible to the necked
eye. And if we look at stealth

705
00:56:44.239 --> 00:56:47.280
aircraft and we look at the history
of aviation and military aircraft, we can

706
00:56:47.360 --> 00:56:51.519
kind of get a sense on where
it is they want to go for the

707
00:56:51.559 --> 00:56:58.800
future. When we have a really
good grass or understanding of where aircraft and

708
00:56:58.840 --> 00:57:04.480
how they've been used in the pass
particularly you know daring wartime. You say

709
00:57:04.519 --> 00:57:07.639
stealth aircraft, most people you know
think of d F one seventeen or stealth

710
00:57:07.679 --> 00:57:14.679
bomber, and there's stealth and respect
that. Ideally, they want to be

711
00:57:14.719 --> 00:57:17.239
invisible on radar because you don't want
to see You don't want the enemy to

712
00:57:17.239 --> 00:57:22.320
see you coming miles away, so
you don't want to be picked up on

713
00:57:22.440 --> 00:57:25.400
radar. But stealth is a lot
more than just being invisible to radar.

714
00:57:27.599 --> 00:57:31.079
Also, it's about being invisible to
the neked eye. It's about being so

715
00:57:31.239 --> 00:57:36.880
quiet that you don't hear it.
There's a number of different things at play

716
00:57:37.360 --> 00:57:40.320
on stealth. Same with heat signatures. You know, you want to reduce

717
00:57:40.360 --> 00:57:46.840
a heat signature on a craft so
that weapons can't lock on that. So

718
00:57:46.840 --> 00:57:52.519
it's a number of different things,
and all those things obviously seem to play

719
00:57:52.519 --> 00:57:59.440
out in these black triangle UFOs.
Many of them seem to have cloaking capabilities,

720
00:57:59.440 --> 00:58:04.760
making them invisible to the neckad eye. They typically, although not always,

721
00:58:04.920 --> 00:58:08.199
typically don't make any sound, so
you don't hear it coming. If

722
00:58:08.239 --> 00:58:13.639
you do hear it, it's a
very low humming noise or a low buzzy

723
00:58:13.679 --> 00:58:20.000
noise. And of course the shape
of these crafts suggests that they also would

724
00:58:20.079 --> 00:58:25.199
be pretty much nearly invisible on radar, and the fact that they're painted black

725
00:58:25.320 --> 00:58:30.119
suggests they want to blimt and then
with the night sky and typically would operate

726
00:58:30.199 --> 00:58:37.519
most often at night. And you
know, the term t R three B

727
00:58:37.840 --> 00:58:43.719
is kind of thrown out there.
It's used kind of frivolously and generously,

728
00:58:43.800 --> 00:58:49.960
I think, But do you think
that have you looked into the possibility of

729
00:58:50.079 --> 00:58:53.920
that craft. I have looked into
that, And like you said, that

730
00:58:54.000 --> 00:58:58.920
name is just thrown out there a
lot for pretty much every triangle siding.

731
00:58:59.000 --> 00:59:04.039
But at same starre so many different
models that you couldn't, you know,

732
00:59:04.159 --> 00:59:08.320
pin that name on one particular model. It almost seems like it's our own,

733
00:59:09.039 --> 00:59:16.639
you know, the the UFO enthusiasts
have created this red herring of their

734
00:59:16.679 --> 00:59:22.559
own making, whereas, like you
say, it's probably much more complicated than

735
00:59:22.599 --> 00:59:25.239
that, and that there are many
models. Like you said, there's different

736
00:59:25.320 --> 00:59:30.559
shapes of craft, so there could
be multiple projects that could have been Well,

737
00:59:31.079 --> 00:59:35.960
the t R three or a I
think it was, or one of

738
00:59:36.000 --> 00:59:44.760
those was was a stealth prototype project
that never got developed, but there could

739
00:59:44.800 --> 00:59:47.000
be a number of other The Aurora
is something that's out there. Of course

740
00:59:47.000 --> 00:59:53.239
that use uses not conventional, but
it supposedly is louder and that is something

741
00:59:53.239 --> 00:59:59.039
that is somewhat verified as a real
project, although it's still secret. But

742
01:00:00.039 --> 01:00:04.360
there are many projects probably going on
out there. Oh yeah, absolutely,

743
01:00:04.400 --> 01:00:07.119
and I have no doubt that they
you know, it'll continue going on as

744
01:00:07.159 --> 01:00:14.960
it has been. Even still today
these triangles are hovering over roads, chasing

745
01:00:15.079 --> 01:00:20.360
vehicles, hovering over people's houses.
So it's you know, they're they're putting

746
01:00:20.400 --> 01:00:22.599
them out there. They want people
to see them. That's a good point.

747
01:00:22.719 --> 01:00:27.440
Like how large was the one that
you saw? It wasn't that big.

748
01:00:27.480 --> 01:00:30.360
I would say it was probably the
standard size of a fighter aircraft,

749
01:00:31.599 --> 01:00:36.559
Whereas I know people have seen ones
that are as large as football fields.

750
01:00:36.800 --> 01:00:43.159
Yeah, so obviously there's a number
of different models and sizes. It seems

751
01:00:43.159 --> 01:00:47.320
to go up the rectangles as well. These rectangles and boomerangs are typically football

752
01:00:47.360 --> 01:00:54.159
fields. And how thick did it
seem? The top of it was a

753
01:00:54.199 --> 01:01:02.599
three sided pyramid based tetrahedron, So
when it flew away, the elevation it

754
01:01:02.639 --> 01:01:05.920
was at was lower than me,
so I was more or less kind of

755
01:01:05.920 --> 01:01:09.800
looking down at it and was able
to see two sides of the top and

756
01:01:08.719 --> 01:01:15.079
make out the top of the craft. But basically it's just like a three

757
01:01:15.119 --> 01:01:22.400
sided pyramid short. Oh wow,
so very interesting. Possibly even then similar

758
01:01:22.440 --> 01:01:25.760
to what they saw at the Rendel
Stamp Forest. Yeah, something like that,

759
01:01:28.079 --> 01:01:30.639
which was another triangular craft that you
know, a credible case in the

760
01:01:30.760 --> 01:01:36.800
UK for those who don't know,
And that was what Christmas Night nineteen eighty

761
01:01:37.440 --> 01:01:42.599
yeah, correct, And so yeah, so a lot of these credible cases

762
01:01:42.599 --> 01:01:45.719
out there, and like you said, especially starting in the eighties, I

763
01:01:45.800 --> 01:01:52.239
mean Belgium had a whole wave of
them. Yeah, And I know David

764
01:01:52.280 --> 01:01:59.280
Marler I've met once. We discussed
this, and he's more of the beliefs

765
01:01:59.360 --> 01:02:02.719
that are possibly mostly alien, although
there could be some man made ones.

766
01:02:02.840 --> 01:02:07.519
But of course he sites that triangles
go back, you know, all the

767
01:02:07.559 --> 01:02:13.880
way to the beginning, and some
respects that's true, but not nearly like

768
01:02:13.960 --> 01:02:17.280
the numbers we see today. You
know, we're talking about hundreds of sightings

769
01:02:17.599 --> 01:02:22.519
you know, these days, versus
if you're lucky, one sighting every couple

770
01:02:22.519 --> 01:02:31.480
of years back then. And triangular
design aircraft was no secret back then.

771
01:02:31.960 --> 01:02:37.079
The Nazis first started doing it with
the Horton brothers and their design, and

772
01:02:37.119 --> 01:02:44.079
that only continued after World War Two. In nineteen seventy, there was an

773
01:02:44.119 --> 01:02:49.360
interesting sighting of a triangle craft flying
low to the ground in Utah. This

774
01:02:49.559 --> 01:02:54.159
was, I believe, in Frank
Salisbury's book the Utah UFO Display, where

775
01:02:54.760 --> 01:03:00.079
witness saw a green Actually it was
a multi colored trying flying low to the

776
01:03:00.079 --> 01:03:07.719
ground, but it was primarily green, which was basically typical camouflage paint scheme

777
01:03:07.920 --> 01:03:14.119
for a lot of military aircraft at
that time. Yeah, and another thing

778
01:03:14.159 --> 01:03:16.679
that you said, you know was
around. There are a lot more sightings.

779
01:03:16.800 --> 01:03:22.559
I mean, it almost seems at
times where the majority of sightings or

780
01:03:22.639 --> 01:03:28.400
triangles were just posting triangle after triangle
sighting. There's so many of them,

781
01:03:28.960 --> 01:03:35.079
and this has led you to believe
that they want to be seen, and

782
01:03:35.159 --> 01:03:38.480
that was part of the problem NIDS
had with these aircraft or these craft.

783
01:03:39.000 --> 01:03:45.159
Of course, not everyone recalls the
National Institute for Discovery Science under Robert Bigelow,

784
01:03:45.880 --> 01:03:51.800
but they were very big on investigating
triangular UFOs as they called them big

785
01:03:51.840 --> 01:03:58.079
black deltas back then, and they
had did a number of press releases from

786
01:03:58.079 --> 01:04:04.840
their findings basically saying these are a
DoD aircraft, and eventually, I think

787
01:04:04.880 --> 01:04:10.800
it was a year or two later, they recanted their position and basically said

788
01:04:10.800 --> 01:04:15.960
they don't know only because of the
manner in which these craft were being used.

789
01:04:15.199 --> 01:04:20.000
Typically, like when the F one
seventeen was still secret, they didn't

790
01:04:20.119 --> 01:04:26.960
exactly go flying around buzzing highways and
trying to be seen. You know,

791
01:04:27.039 --> 01:04:32.199
they're very secretive, and the operation
of those aircraft versus these almost have like

792
01:04:32.280 --> 01:04:36.920
an open deployment, as NIDS called
it, to where you know, they

793
01:04:38.000 --> 01:04:40.840
want to be seen. They'll hover
over your car, I'll chase your car,

794
01:04:41.000 --> 01:04:44.760
hover over your house. It's like
basically a look at me type of

795
01:04:44.800 --> 01:04:54.440
attitude. So they're not completely trying
to you know, hide these But of

796
01:04:54.480 --> 01:04:58.760
course the question is why would they
do that, and there's a bunch of

797
01:04:58.760 --> 01:05:03.320
different theories about that. That one
is, of course, the UFO phenomenon

798
01:05:03.360 --> 01:05:10.280
has always provided a perfect cover for
secret military aircraft simply because they can hide

799
01:05:10.280 --> 01:05:15.559
behind UFO reports and most people would
dismiss it as some type of alien veh

800
01:05:15.719 --> 01:05:21.320
course, you know, something from
Mars whatever, it's not typically gonna come

801
01:05:21.360 --> 01:05:26.519
back to them as you know,
this type of military aircraft or that type

802
01:05:27.159 --> 01:05:32.519
mm hmm. That's interesting. And
what's great about that is and that this

803
01:05:32.679 --> 01:05:38.400
technology it seems like, you know, they don't have a light bulb technology

804
01:05:38.559 --> 01:05:43.719
necessarily that was more advanced. They
just for possibly and this is just of

805
01:05:43.719 --> 01:05:47.800
course all speculation. We're able to
discover how to make some sort of anti

806
01:05:47.880 --> 01:05:55.800
gravity craft using a technology that's way
beyond anything else, and so knowing people

807
01:05:55.840 --> 01:06:00.119
would be you know, I would
not believe that humans could do that.

808
01:06:00.679 --> 01:06:08.639
If they did fly them around areas
like they may be doing, then people

809
01:06:08.840 --> 01:06:15.159
like nids would not believe them to
be military, and most people probably wouldn't

810
01:06:15.159 --> 01:06:16.280
because they'd be like, you know, well, why would they fly them

811
01:06:16.320 --> 01:06:21.920
around populated areas. It almost makes
you think that perhaps the Belgium Wave or

812
01:06:23.280 --> 01:06:30.920
Rendell Schamp forrest were good opportunities to
be seen and to start this mythology around

813
01:06:30.000 --> 01:06:36.320
them being extraterrestrial in nature to cover
the project. That would make a lot

814
01:06:36.360 --> 01:06:41.159
of sense. And there's a number
of different things that come into play.

815
01:06:41.199 --> 01:06:44.719
And of course, you know a
lot of people say, you, obviously

816
01:06:44.920 --> 01:06:48.480
this can't be man made or military
or what have you, because they're doing

817
01:06:48.559 --> 01:06:55.880
this, but it could also serve
a purpose. One of the interesting things

818
01:06:55.920 --> 01:07:00.199
about my encounter that night was on
the front of my car, I had

819
01:07:00.239 --> 01:07:04.960
a novelty plate that said Area fifty
one. So as I approached the UFO,

820
01:07:05.079 --> 01:07:11.039
I'm assuming, well, obviously I
was being watched because they knew precisely

821
01:07:11.159 --> 01:07:14.280
when to fly away the second I
took my eyes off that thing, so

822
01:07:14.400 --> 01:07:17.719
they were watching me just as much
as I was watching them. And I

823
01:07:17.719 --> 01:07:23.039
can only assume that they obviously must
have had some type of camera on the

824
01:07:23.199 --> 01:07:27.960
underside to be able to view what
is under the craft and view me.

825
01:07:30.199 --> 01:07:34.000
So you know, when I looked
away, it decided to take off at

826
01:07:34.039 --> 01:07:40.960
that point, and it must have
seen my front plates when I approached it,

827
01:07:41.119 --> 01:07:45.079
because the angle it flew away in
the direction that flew away would have

828
01:07:45.119 --> 01:07:47.440
given it a perfect, you know, the right opportunity to look at my

829
01:07:47.519 --> 01:07:55.000
rear license plate. And one of
the things about hovering over vehicles on the

830
01:07:55.119 --> 01:07:59.840
road is if a license plate number, you can easily find out who's driving

831
01:07:59.840 --> 01:08:03.239
a car, and if you were
conducting some kind of experiment or test you

832
01:08:03.280 --> 01:08:09.000
wanted to follow up with that person
see how that event or that siting affected

833
01:08:09.039 --> 01:08:12.199
your life, you would know exactly
who was in it for the most part,

834
01:08:12.760 --> 01:08:16.359
presuming someone else wasn't driving your vehicle, and you know the registered owner

835
01:08:16.439 --> 01:08:21.680
is actually behind the wheel. So
with DMV records, I'm sure they would

836
01:08:21.720 --> 01:08:27.119
have access to that sort of thing
and be able to figure out who that

837
01:08:27.199 --> 01:08:34.039
person person was, And so you
know who knows if they have some program

838
01:08:34.239 --> 01:08:41.479
to follow up and see how these
things are affecting people and whether people are

839
01:08:41.520 --> 01:08:45.880
really ready to see this sort of
thing or not. When it seems like

840
01:08:45.880 --> 01:08:49.279
it, well, how fast did
it move? It was actually as slow

841
01:08:49.319 --> 01:08:53.640
as a helicopter. It wasn't very
fast at all, which was surprising.

842
01:08:54.520 --> 01:08:59.079
Typically you hear about these things just
shooting off at lightning speed. But no,

843
01:08:59.239 --> 01:09:00.960
if I had a you know,
a drone at the time, I

844
01:09:01.000 --> 01:09:05.720
probably could have kept up with it. Do you think this thing was manned

845
01:09:08.119 --> 01:09:12.680
at first? I did, but
seeing where the technology is going over the

846
01:09:12.760 --> 01:09:16.159
years, I would say it was
probably an early UAV, and I would

847
01:09:16.239 --> 01:09:20.640
I would assume that that is the
direction they were going with most of these

848
01:09:20.680 --> 01:09:30.840
aircraft as some tind of unmanned aerial
vehicle. Yeah, really interesting. Well,

849
01:09:30.840 --> 01:09:34.079
that's some really interesting stuff. I
knew this would be fascinating. I

850
01:09:34.119 --> 01:09:38.159
mean, I'm fascinated with black triangles, and I know a lot of other

851
01:09:38.199 --> 01:09:41.159
people are because, like you said, there are so many sightings of them,

852
01:09:41.159 --> 01:09:45.760
and your sighting is just one of
one of the you know, many

853
01:09:45.840 --> 01:09:50.960
exciting ones out there. But you're
also working on other things. Yeah.

854
01:09:51.039 --> 01:09:56.960
A few years ago I started taking
an interest in these ice fall reports and

855
01:09:57.640 --> 01:10:01.319
decided to invest more time in it
and energy and research. So I've been

856
01:10:01.359 --> 01:10:04.359
putting the UFOs to decide for a
while because I've been doing that for about

857
01:10:04.399 --> 01:10:11.039
twenty years, and decided to pick
up something else that, for the most

858
01:10:11.119 --> 01:10:16.079
part isn't quite fully explained. Of
course, Charles Ford wrote about it in

859
01:10:16.159 --> 01:10:20.880
his book The Book of the Damned, and that was probably the first list

860
01:10:21.079 --> 01:10:28.079
or compilation of ice fall reports since
that time. Morris K. Jess Up

861
01:10:28.079 --> 01:10:31.640
in the fifties wrote about him in
both of his UFO books. Then there

862
01:10:31.720 --> 01:10:36.680
was a professor James McDonald who also
was interested in it, wrote about it.

863
01:10:38.159 --> 01:10:42.800
And there's been a few other UFO
investigators along the way that have researched

864
01:10:42.840 --> 01:10:47.319
a phenomenon, but no one's actually
done any real hard research on this subject.

865
01:10:47.399 --> 01:10:53.079
So decided to give it a shot
and see what I can learn and

866
01:10:53.319 --> 01:11:00.720
figure out on that subject. What
is the nature of the phenomenon wellfested?

867
01:11:00.319 --> 01:11:05.359
Of course, aircraft play a big
part. Most people are familiar with blue

868
01:11:05.399 --> 01:11:10.880
ice falling, a leaking you know, a leaking bathroom on a plane will

869
01:11:10.920 --> 01:11:15.600
cause that, and that's what most
people are familiar with. But ice can

870
01:11:15.640 --> 01:11:19.159
form on a plane in a number
of ways, including wastewater disposal from a

871
01:11:19.199 --> 01:11:24.199
craft, which is usually dumped from
the craft depending on the type of craft,

872
01:11:25.119 --> 01:11:27.920
and that'll build up on the outside
of the craft, and as it

873
01:11:28.000 --> 01:11:31.560
descends for its landing, it will
usually enter warmer airs and that breaks off

874
01:11:31.600 --> 01:11:36.560
and often crashes into people's cars or
through the roof things of that nature.

875
01:11:36.600 --> 01:11:41.640
So those are usually to ones we
always hear about in a news Another ice

876
01:11:41.680 --> 01:11:47.319
fall case falling through someone's house.
So a good majority of them is from

877
01:11:48.000 --> 01:11:53.640
just aircraft, and it's kind of
like the UFO phenomenon. You know,

878
01:11:53.720 --> 01:11:58.680
you get a hundred cases and typically
you can solve most of them with just

879
01:11:59.640 --> 01:12:02.079
normal explanations, but you always have
a small percentage that are going to be

880
01:12:02.119 --> 01:12:09.159
totally unexplained and you know, defy
rational explanation. So you run into the

881
01:12:09.199 --> 01:12:14.399
same thing with ice fall cases.
When you get past all the aircraft incidents,

882
01:12:14.439 --> 01:12:19.439
there's always going to be a handful
that truly just defy rational explanation,

883
01:12:19.800 --> 01:12:28.960
and it would seem some of them, as a couple of scientists recently have

884
01:12:29.039 --> 01:12:33.720
been studying the phenomenon believe that it
is possibly done by global warming and somehow

885
01:12:34.279 --> 01:12:39.159
these large chunks of ice are just
forming in the upper atmosphere and then falling

886
01:12:39.159 --> 01:12:46.720
the Earth, which maybe maybe not
the type of updraft speed or wind speed

887
01:12:47.039 --> 01:12:54.479
required for these things to get that
large would be I don't even think possible

888
01:12:54.520 --> 01:12:59.479
at this time, simply because some
of these ice chunks have been reportedly several

889
01:12:59.600 --> 01:13:04.359
hundred Wow, can you tell us
one of the one of the mysterious stories.

890
01:13:05.800 --> 01:13:11.600
One of my favorite cases was a
case from eighteen forty nine I think

891
01:13:11.640 --> 01:13:17.000
it was in early August and it
was Scotland, fell on a farm.

892
01:13:17.399 --> 01:13:24.319
As the report goes, the witnesses
heard the loudest thunder they had ever heard.

893
01:13:25.239 --> 01:13:30.760
That's how they described it. It's
just a tremendous thundering sound, just

894
01:13:30.760 --> 01:13:34.680
one, just one thunder sound,
and then this large ice mass hit the

895
01:13:34.680 --> 01:13:43.560
ground, just narrowly missing the farmhouse. And basically it had a twenty twenty

896
01:13:43.560 --> 01:13:47.399
foot circumference. So if you if
you do the math, you figure the

897
01:13:47.439 --> 01:13:53.479
ice had weighed over a ton.
Oh my gosh, that's basically a small

898
01:13:53.560 --> 01:14:00.439
car. And for something to develop
that large in the atmosphere, it's just

899
01:14:00.479 --> 01:14:05.520
impossible because the wind required to keep
that thing afloats long enough to get that

900
01:14:05.680 --> 01:14:12.439
large could never happen. So the
most likely explanation was this was a piece

901
01:14:12.439 --> 01:14:18.640
of ice from space. Another interesting
part of that report was their description of

902
01:14:18.680 --> 01:14:25.520
the ice was primarily composed of cubes
or diamonds, diamond shaped cubed ice,

903
01:14:26.119 --> 01:14:31.319
which wouldn't be discovered for another one
hundred years until I believe it was the

904
01:14:31.359 --> 01:14:38.000
forties, and it's called cubic ice, which is typically formed in the atmosphere

905
01:14:38.119 --> 01:14:44.640
upper atmosphere, so it would seem
that what possibly happened is this ice came

906
01:14:44.760 --> 01:14:49.680
from space. Once it got through
the upper atmosphere, it melted but refroze

907
01:14:50.640 --> 01:14:55.439
as it hit the coulder parts of
our atmosphere, and then as it descended,

908
01:14:55.439 --> 01:15:00.960
that thundering sound was actually a shock
wave as this ice was traveling faster

909
01:15:00.119 --> 01:15:05.520
than sound, so basically breaking the
sound barrier. Hm. Cool. Weird

910
01:15:06.600 --> 01:15:12.239
of course when you when you start
getting into that sort of explanation and the

911
01:15:12.479 --> 01:15:18.199
next you know idea is what type
of life was in that ice? Because

912
01:15:18.600 --> 01:15:24.960
we talk about panspermia and how it
may have seeded life on this planet,

913
01:15:25.279 --> 01:15:28.640
it's possible it's still going on today. And yet you know, we're looking

914
01:15:28.800 --> 01:15:32.760
to space and UFOs for extraterrestrial life
when in fact it's probably falling from the

915
01:15:32.800 --> 01:15:38.760
skies all around us all the time. Mm hmm. Yeah. And it's

916
01:15:38.800 --> 01:15:44.039
what's interesting is there are some scientists
who believe that's the case, and they're

917
01:15:44.079 --> 01:15:48.960
seen as very fringe, but it
seems like mainstream science is getting more and

918
01:15:49.039 --> 01:15:55.560
more warming up for lack of a
better term, to that idea. There

919
01:15:55.640 --> 01:15:59.880
was a case right around two thousand
and This was the same timeframe when all

920
01:16:00.119 --> 01:16:04.319
ice ice was falling over Spain,
and the whole term Megacryer Metea was born

921
01:16:05.600 --> 01:16:12.039
in Ontario. Right around Ontario,
Canada, ice had fallen on a man's

922
01:16:12.159 --> 01:16:17.720
driveway. He collected it and eventually
had it analyzed. Now, whether or

923
01:16:17.800 --> 01:16:21.880
not it was done right, it
doesn't appear it was handled correctly, so

924
01:16:23.079 --> 01:16:30.359
his findings are certainly debatable. But
he felt he found alien microbial life and

925
01:16:30.520 --> 01:16:34.399
this ice, and eventually held a
few press conferences making his announcements. Of

926
01:16:34.439 --> 01:16:39.600
course, it wasn't well received by
the scientific community or the public, and

927
01:16:39.800 --> 01:16:44.399
not many people know about this case. But he still claims to this day

928
01:16:44.439 --> 01:16:48.239
that he found microbial life from another
planet, or at least from space,

929
01:16:48.920 --> 01:16:54.359
and has a whole website devoted to
it. I was called a Snyder crite,

930
01:16:54.600 --> 01:17:00.359
if I'm not mistaken. He actually
named it after himself. But yeah,

931
01:17:00.359 --> 01:17:03.279
it certainly raises the possibility that if
ice is falling from space, then

932
01:17:03.359 --> 01:17:10.600
it may very well have microbial life
in it. I think they recently said

933
01:17:10.640 --> 01:17:16.159
that there were some bacteria that grew
better in space and experiments on the ISS

934
01:17:16.159 --> 01:17:21.600
also, and then of course Russia
said that they found they scraped some algae

935
01:17:21.800 --> 01:17:27.000
off of the iss. But the
question is where did that algae come from

936
01:17:27.319 --> 01:17:30.920
above or below, which is being
debated. Yeah, exactly, And I

937
01:17:30.960 --> 01:17:34.840
recall seeing an article about it growing
better in space in that one case.

938
01:17:35.960 --> 01:17:44.680
So certainly raises some interesting questions.
And it's one of those things where has

939
01:17:44.800 --> 01:17:48.600
taken this long for anyone to really
start looking at this stuff. It seems

940
01:17:48.640 --> 01:17:53.479
like, you know, the answers
have been there all along. You know,

941
01:17:53.920 --> 01:17:57.640
we want to find alien life,
but it could be it's falling at

942
01:17:57.640 --> 01:18:01.399
our front doorstep all this time.
You know, they preach about panspermia and

943
01:18:01.439 --> 01:18:04.960
its seeding life on Earth, but
you know when we think about that,

944
01:18:05.000 --> 01:18:08.840
it's always in respect. Well that
was billions of years ago. It doesn't

945
01:18:08.880 --> 01:18:12.920
happen anymore, but it could very
well still be happening to this day.

946
01:18:13.199 --> 01:18:17.039
And who knows what may be falling
from the skies on the ground, in

947
01:18:17.079 --> 01:18:23.239
our lakes or oceans. There's no
telling without any you know, real investigative

948
01:18:23.279 --> 01:18:30.000
work or analysis of these ice falls. And you called it mega cryomeiords or

949
01:18:30.039 --> 01:18:34.640
you use that term. Yeah,
And that was a term invented by doctor

950
01:18:34.680 --> 01:18:42.960
Martinez from Spain after studying the ice
falls in Spain around two thousands. Basically,

951
01:18:43.000 --> 01:18:49.079
it means large icy or frozen meteor
and that is that I saw you

952
01:18:49.159 --> 01:18:53.640
post something about that. Is that
a new Facebook page or a new website

953
01:18:53.680 --> 01:18:58.319
you're putting up both. I have
a Facebook page it's just called Mega Cryo

954
01:18:58.399 --> 01:19:02.800
Meteors, but there's also a website
Mega kryer Meteors dot org. And right

955
01:19:02.880 --> 01:19:10.520
now I'm still compiling the database,
actually working with another gentleman who just submitted

956
01:19:10.560 --> 01:19:14.239
all his data back from when he
worked on this in the nineties. So

957
01:19:14.520 --> 01:19:18.720
right now we have a database about
three hundred cases of ice falls. I'm

958
01:19:18.760 --> 01:19:24.239
going back to the early eighteen hundreds, and what we're doing, or what

959
01:19:24.279 --> 01:19:28.880
I'm doing, is mapping every ice
fall case. Thanks to Google Maps and

960
01:19:29.039 --> 01:19:32.479
GPS coordinates and all that we have
the day, it makes it a lot

961
01:19:32.560 --> 01:19:38.520
easier to map them all and look
for patterns. And one such case,

962
01:19:39.960 --> 01:19:44.600
we've mapped everything over the LA area
and found that most of the ice falls

963
01:19:44.640 --> 01:19:53.079
over LA line up perfectly with the
Los Angeles International Airport. And there's actually

964
01:19:53.119 --> 01:19:59.800
another case that happened just last week
over Colton, California, and using historical

965
01:20:00.199 --> 01:20:04.479
our data, was able to pinpoint
a plane that was flying directly over the

966
01:20:04.520 --> 01:20:10.159
impact spot at the time of the
incident. So as you know, as

967
01:20:10.199 --> 01:20:14.039
we're finding out and seeing that a
lot of it is the result of aircraft,

968
01:20:14.079 --> 01:20:17.239
but certainly not all of it.
So maybe you'll be able to make

969
01:20:17.279 --> 01:20:19.920
a case with all of this data
that they need to be a little more

970
01:20:19.920 --> 01:20:28.760
careful with their disposal processes or how
that comes out, especially like you said,

971
01:20:29.720 --> 01:20:33.000
when it's going through roofs and hitting
cars and things. Yeah, and

972
01:20:33.319 --> 01:20:38.399
certainly a few people have actually been
hit by these things. There was a

973
01:20:38.399 --> 01:20:43.600
case in India late last year where
one hit a woman and had injured her,

974
01:20:43.640 --> 01:20:47.119
but fortunately didn't kill her. A
few people have actually been hit by

975
01:20:47.119 --> 01:20:51.800
these things, but never typically with
the full force. Usually it's coming through

976
01:20:51.800 --> 01:20:56.560
a roof first, or is being
slowed down by some other object before he

977
01:20:56.640 --> 01:21:02.279
hits the person. I do recall, and I'm still researching these cases,

978
01:21:02.319 --> 01:21:06.680
but it was rumored two people were
killed in the fifties from ice falls,

979
01:21:06.720 --> 01:21:12.920
but there's not much information available on
those cases, so it's entirely possible.

980
01:21:13.479 --> 01:21:17.319
But certainly if that happened, obviously
that would be a pretty good lawsuits.

981
01:21:17.760 --> 01:21:23.840
Yeah, besides the Facebook page,
do you have a website for your black

982
01:21:23.880 --> 01:21:28.680
triangle work. I used to I
don't have it up anymore. I'm going

983
01:21:28.760 --> 01:21:31.279
to just put it off to the
side. When it comes to the triangle

984
01:21:31.319 --> 01:21:34.239
stuff, I think a lot of
people are strying to warm up to the

985
01:21:34.319 --> 01:21:43.479
idea that these are man made.
It's certainly not a new idea. And

986
01:21:43.520 --> 01:21:47.479
I think most people are, you
know, pretty happy with just reading UFO

987
01:21:47.560 --> 01:21:51.439
reports in general, rather than a
site that's just devoted to this phenomenon.

988
01:21:53.520 --> 01:21:56.640
But they can't go to your Facebook
page if they want to see more cases

989
01:21:56.760 --> 01:22:01.239
and all in one place. Right
when I see reports in the news,

990
01:22:01.960 --> 01:22:06.239
I'll share them on that page and
they can usually follow with the latest reports

991
01:22:06.800 --> 01:22:12.279
on there. And I and I
think this is a big deal though.

992
01:22:12.319 --> 01:22:17.439
I mean, if you know that
they have a project that has been secret

993
01:22:17.560 --> 01:22:25.600
since the eighties or nineties of something
that can move like what you witnessed,

994
01:22:26.239 --> 01:22:30.520
that's a big deal. And so
I think this is an important topic,

995
01:22:30.680 --> 01:22:35.640
so really interesting stuff. Thank you
so much for joining us today. Oh,

996
01:22:35.840 --> 01:22:40.079
no problem, that is my pleasure. Thank you, Alliandro. Thank

997
01:22:40.119 --> 01:22:44.399
you very much to Sean for being
on the show. A very interesting discussion.

998
01:22:44.560 --> 01:22:46.800
I love this talk about black triangles. I know you guys probably too,

999
01:22:46.840 --> 01:22:51.960
because they're really popular sighting. Lots
of people see them, and there's

1000
01:22:51.960 --> 01:22:57.239
been incredible sightings people have, Like
I mentioned before, Lee Spiegel had an

1001
01:22:57.279 --> 01:23:00.479
incredible one. You know, we've
talked about that on the show. Nick

1002
01:23:00.520 --> 01:23:05.560
Pope has talked about several important cases
and so on and so forth. So

1003
01:23:06.039 --> 01:23:12.359
very fascinating, and I think Sean's
sighting is one of the most incredible out

1004
01:23:12.359 --> 01:23:15.079
there. Just fascinating, and I
mean I've known Sean for a while,

1005
01:23:15.119 --> 01:23:20.159
I have no reason not to believe
him, so pretty incredible stuff. And

1006
01:23:20.239 --> 01:23:29.560
his thoughts are interesting on the topic, and his like pre cognitive stuff that's

1007
01:23:29.600 --> 01:23:32.399
also really interesting. I was not
expecting that. I didn't even know about

1008
01:23:32.439 --> 01:23:38.960
that. So really cool, really
fun stuff to talk about. Thank you

1009
01:23:39.119 --> 01:23:43.560
so much for being on the show, Sean. In fact, to find

1010
01:23:43.600 --> 01:23:49.840
Sean's Black Triangle UFO page, just
go to Facebook and search for black Triangles

1011
01:23:49.880 --> 01:23:54.239
and you'll find it. You know, there's not a whole lot of black

1012
01:23:54.279 --> 01:23:59.560
Triangle Facebook pages out there, and
you'll be able to find that and see

1013
01:23:59.560 --> 01:24:02.720
all the story that he posts on
that topic. Very interesting. And then

1014
01:24:02.760 --> 01:24:09.760
the other thing he talked about was
this mega cryo meteors. If you go

1015
01:24:09.840 --> 01:24:16.039
to Megacryo meteors dot org you'll find
the website that he is creating on that

1016
01:24:16.199 --> 01:24:20.279
topic as well. If you find
that interesting, any want to follow that

1017
01:24:20.399 --> 01:24:25.560
phenomenon. That's pretty cool stuff too, So thank you so much for Sean.

1018
01:24:26.199 --> 01:24:30.439
To Sean for being on the show. That was a really interesting conversation.

1019
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And guess what, We're gonna have
another show, so I'm really you

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know, we're back on track.
I'm gonna try to have a show every

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week and we are on track for
that. I've got next week's interview scheduled.

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This is gonna be really interesting.
We're gonna be talking to an astronomer

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and essentially a project where they are
You might be aware of the Wow signal.

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That was a SETI signal that was
obtained that they thought was mysterious and

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some people have been lately saying that
they think it was a comment. Others

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are not so sure. Some people
believe it was intelligent in nature, so

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it might be extraterrestrial. So we're
going to talk to him about this signal

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and his project to recreate that signal, so they really want to test this

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comment theory. But we'll talk to
him. He's done some UFO research and

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we'll see what his views are on
this topic. But he's getting a lot

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of news, including I think there
was a story I posted on my Facebook

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page on Discover magazine, but the
April Foolish jokes. Of course, you

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can check the open Minds UFO or
open Minds dot tv for all those stories

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we talked about. You can also
go into the daily UFO headline sections for

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the headlines that we post on a
daily basis. Of course, if you're

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familiar with the website, you'll know
on the front page we post those daily

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UFO headlines, so you'll see that, and you'll see those Roger marsh stories

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that we talked about with Martin.
Also, like I said, we have

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an open mind GUFO report that we
just recently post. You'll find a link

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to that as well at openminds dot
tv or if you go to the open

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Minds production YouTube page. The other
thing that we're doing lately, Michael did

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this for the first time, just
like last week. Michael Klein, you

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know, our video producer. He
put together a video of UFO photos from

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our archives, just a short little
video with some music and you know,

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there's no narration, but it's really
cool because we can post it in Facebook

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and then it plays like those videos
you say in Facebook, so you could

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see these pictures and get some information
about them. We'll have another one of

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those up this week. We also
post those to YouTube. But it's another

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reason you want to check out the
Open Minds Facebook page, my Facebook page

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and follow that so you can keep
up to speed. The other thing you

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can do to keep up to speed
with all of our news is go to

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the web page and on the upper
right hand corner you'll see a little box

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that says sign up for our email
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do so because it keeps you up
to speed on our UFO news reports,

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the radio show, the stories that
we're doing, the videos that we're posting,

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everything that's going on, and of
course the UFO Congress, because that's

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a year long project. I mean, we are already working on that,

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already working out the speakers for next
year, so very exciting. Also,

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we have our video portal where we've
already got a lot of lectures from the

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UFO Congress streaming, and we're gonna
have a lot more, so you'll hear

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more about that from us in the
future. But now it's a good time

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to go ahead and go subscribe because
there are many many hours of videos to

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watch on there, and we're gonna
have a lot more. I mean,

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we're gonna have a ton of videos
up in the next few months, like

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hundreds of hours of videos, so
lots of amazing stuff we're gonna have up

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there for just a couple dollars a
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dot tv. Otherwise, thank you
so much to Sean for being on the

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show. He was a great guest. Thank you very much to Martin for

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joining me with the news. Again, don't forget his show podcast UFO,

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and also don't forget to go look
at the show notes to help him out

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and give him some donations for kids
with leukemia. And then thank you to

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Caleb Hanks who does the opening and
close music. And finally, thank you

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to you the listeners. Thank you
all so much for listening. It's just

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wonderful that you're here every week to
listen. It's so much fun to share

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all this information with people. So
again, thank you all very very very

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much for being here. I will
be talking to you next week until them

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