Hello, and welcome to Open Mind UFO Radio. I am your host,
Alejandro Rojas, and I am here with Martin Loco, Gringo, willis oh
green and local. Yeah. Do you know what that means? Absolutely not?
Okay? Well tell your friends, you know, when you go to
the store or something and you see somebody who you think might speak Spanish,
tell them that you are gringo loco and check out. I think it means
a crazy Yes, no it does. It's a crazy white guy. Yeah.
Yeah, well I suppose if the shoe fits, no, so you
shouldn't do that, they might treat you weird. But yeah, I felt
it was appropriate and kind of fun to give you that nickname today. I
hope that's okay with you. I just hope it doesn't stick, but thank
you. Yeah, it probably will. I like it, so I'll probably
stick with it. But how are you. I'm doing good, doing good?
You know, we had a cold snap back here in the East.
It's been nice and warm all year. All of a sudden they had fifteen
degrees last night. Yeah, I saw that. Lots of places where it's
really cold, And it was funny because last night we were kind of doing
our things sitting in bed looking on Internet and everything, and you know,
my girlfriend says, look, it's uh, She's like, this is weird.
It's like, you know, super cool in the East, and it's
weird just because we'd been outside all day and you know, it's so warm
hair. So it's kind of odds that it's like that in other places.
But the guest, I guess you should talk about the guest first. My
guest for today is Sean Kevin Jason. Have you ever had him? No?
Ha ha, And he talks about black triangles. Actually, he's got
a Facebook page dedicated to black triangles. Uh, and the reason being that
he had an amazing sighting himself and he used to believe that the bright black
triangle phenomena was extraterrestrial in nature. However, after his sighting, and he'll
tell us about his extraordinary sighting and but after his sighting, he feels a
little differently. So we'll talk about that. But what's cool, of course,
is just you know, when it comes down to it, it's it's
I've also thought more about this lately because of the Phoenix Incident movie, where
you know, we had that roundtable discussion. They released a part of it.
They released Nick Pope talking about the Cosford UFO incident. But in the
full version which they attached to this pre screening which we got to go see.
Uh, you know, we talked more about black triangles, but Lee
had his own amazing sighting, let alone all of these other witnesses. Lee
Spiegel, I mean, who was in that round table. Oh yeah,
you've probably talked to him about it. I've talked to him about Yes,
But the black triangle sightings maybe are the best sightings out there. I mean,
people see them so closely and they're seen so often, so it's a
fascinating topic. I'm fascinated by it. I know many others are. So
it's uh so that's what we're going to be talking about. Well, you
know that's something I had a friend of mine, and very active amateur astronomer
with his own radio show everything, was carrying his telescope back to his home
in England and a huge black triangle went right over him. You know what
I mean. So they always say, like, you know, how come
astronomers never show you them? Did I do it good enough to voice?
There was good? Yeah? And you know he's just there. There actually
are a number of astronomers that see something and amateur astronomers, but it's just
not you know, I talked to a few so far, so you know
they're out there. They do have these sightings. Yeah. Cool, cool,
cool. So that's what we're going to talk about. But next,
before we get to the news, and this is sort of news related,
I wanted to talk to you about the April Fools jokes out there. So
of course there's always some UFO or alien related April Fools jokes out there.
Did you run across any well. I actually had a friend of mine involved.
He's a comedian and he used to be on Dinner in a Movie for
sixteen years. Oh I remember that. Yeah, he went on Heather Wade's
show as a very conservative Republican and people were getting angry. It was awesome.
I was fun. I could see people totally flipping out. That's hilarious.
Yep. Yeah, so that was good. That was April Fools,
of course, and there was all kinds of great stuff. I love Netflix
thing. Did you see that? Oh what was that? I don't think
I did. John Stamos was all over Netflix. You open any category or
whatever, and John Stamoss was everywhere and then the CEO of Netflix had a
video on Netflix itself apologizing to John and all of a sudden, John's in
the background on the shoulder. Yeah, that's hilarious. It was good.
So this is one. This is one that's funny. Now, this one
isn't Space or UFO related. The rest of them are related. But did
you hear about the Google one? Yes, I heard something about it.
What happened essentially got angry and they shut it down or yeah, so it
was already shut down, probably by the time I woke up, because it
was probably you guys on the East coast that got upset about it and they
shut it down. By the end, it was already news how Google was
apologizing, but essentially, and it's just people not paying attention. Although I
can understand. Before my first copy coffee in the morning, you know,
I'm I'm liable to do anything. I mean, I've gone, I've taken
like, made my coffee and then opened the fridge and put my coffee in
the fridge and then left and then thought, where the hell is my coffee?
I know, I made some coffee this morning and then get home and
find it in the fridge. Just weird. Stuff that I do. Anyway,
Gmail had an extra button, an extra send button. They had two
of them. One of them was orange. If you click the orange one
to send your email, it attached this little video of a minion and it
attached at the end of your email doing a mic drop. So a minion
came out and did a mic drop like I'm out of here, which is
pretty funny, I think. But the problem was is that people got really
upset because they used Gmail for professional reasons. And one person, although I
find this very hard to believe, one person said she was fired for accidentally
sending the minion email. I guess it's possible, but I mean, so,
yeah, people were really upset about that. Yeah. I heard someone
send a job a drib resume ord and you know that went through with it.
So that's really funny. I think. I think people will have a
good enough sense of humor for the most part. I mean, I can't
see someone get actually getting fired for that unless it was something super super sensitive,
you know, like with an account or something. But you know,
people got to lighten up. It's a fool's day, you know. Yeah,
you've got to expect that sort of thing. My Facebook by the way
has been playing April Fools on me for some reason. It keeps saying that
I'm sending posts from Roatan, Honduras, maybe because I tagged some photos from
there, and that's a bit frustrating. But this is a really good one
from Royal Caribbean. They wrote a story that they're revealing plans to enter a
space tourism and they put posted pictures of this like galactic spaceship that's really cool
and they're going to call it Orbiter of the Galaxies. Cool looking picture,
and it was kind of their April Fools thing that they were going to have,
but I think some people were believed it. But what's also fun about
it is that a lot of people, I think, including we, were
like, man, you know that spaceship looks so cool. I wish it,
wish it were true. M Although we're going to talk about something similar
to this that is true. I'll talk about that in a second. But
the other fun one, uh, this one was really cool. The Army
released on their website and I know this is going to trick people, and
I'll bet you this is going to be going tricking people going forward. Army
scientists successfully teleport soldiers. So this is on their website from uh, you
know, the Army, and it's like a serious press release about how they've
been working on this technology and they were able to send some of their soldiers
to a site in Germany using teleportation. One of the funny comments was that
a device not unlike the flux capacitor seen in the Back to the Future movie
series was employed during the experiment. You know, uh, you know what
this is what's gonna happen with that one. I guarantee you there's gonna be
conspiracy theories out there and people will be talking about this five years from now.
I know they copied copy the page from the internet, you know,
yep. But at the very end they wrote the task Force expects to report
its initial finding on April one, twenty seventeen. So I bet people are,
yeah, this is going to create so many things. In fact,
I posted on Facebook a story from I can't remember which website, but essentially
they were talking about here it is. It was from c net. So
c neet did an April Fool's joke in twenty ten about a time traveler,
and it was a really silly one. I mean, it was the same
kind of thing, except that the Army one is actually more serious, so
that's why it's probably going to be more convincing. But theirs was kind of
silly. But it became this big thing where everybody believed it. They said
even after they saw it became big and people were believing it. They started
posting that, hey, this is an April Fool's joke. They even changed
the title to say April Fools and people were saying, no, they're part
of the cover up. They're covering up that it was real. This Time
Travelers story so about a guy named Eloy Cole, so that's kind of funny.
So the other So those were two cool space ones. Otherwise, I
did repost some stories from past April Fool's jokes that we wrote about. One
of them from Chris Hadfield, who's kind of a goofy guy, the Canadian
astronaut who, by the way, you know, one of his last times
in space, he made that incredible Space Odyssey video. I don't know if
you've seen it, but he played Space Odyssey in the space station with his
guitar and he made a video with video from It's an amazing video. But
on April Fools when he was up there in twenty thirteen, him and his
colleagues they took some pictures and added some UFOs and were pretending like they saw
a UFO at the ISS and at first they posted, oh my gosh,
we saw UFO and it was really obvious, kind of cartoony, look at
the UFO, and then later they posted, oh, we found the culprit
and they have this cartoony little alien that holding, so it's kind of silly.
And another one which we wrote about, and this is really neat.
I'm really proud of this story because it's about Virgin Galactic's April Fool's Day in
nineteen eighty nine. H yeah, that far back. Yeah. Well,
this one's really good because it scared the police because essentially what they did is
they created this big UFO looking hot air balloon and they floated it around town.
People were reporting a Ufoh yeah, they really freaked out. And they
landed it in this stadium where they had this like et waiting there for them,
and it was the guy that owned Virgin Galactic. What the heck is
his name? I forgot his name right now, I bitterly not Elon Musk,
Who's I'm trying to think, Oh, I know what you mean.
Now, has that that's actually been a round for since nineteen eighty nine?
Uh, he did this, he pulled this joke. Yeah, nineteen eighty
nine, Richard Branson. Okay, that's right. Yeah. And and so
the police weren't aware or not all of them, so people were calling in
and police were freaking out. So it was like this big deal. But
I've posted pictures and this is what's neat. So last year, on April
first, Richard Branson wrote a blog about this prank. But what was great
about this plank prank? Because I've known about it for years, I've written
about it before. But what was I was really excited about this because he
posted a bunch of pictures that, as far as I know, don't exist
anywhere else about this prank, and they're great pictures. And he also,
you know, talked about the whole thing and what had happened. Well,
I you know, summarized what he said in this story, and I posted
those pictures on our story last year about this, and he has since taken
that blog down, so as far as I know, and we've even had
people contact us asking us about the pictures as far as I know, we're
the only ones that have these pictures posted in this account from Richard Branson on
the whole thing, so you can check out our website for it. But
the pictures are great and you can see how convincing this hot air balloon is.
I mean, they it's very elaborate. I don't know if they still
fly it around or whatever happened to the balloon, but it's pretty cool.
Wow. Well, I had a little bit of a prank pulled on me.
I had h someone that I a pretty serious, you know, researcher
told me. They said they had to tell me something in confidence. And
this was ahead. This was two or three days ahead of April Fools,
so I wasn't ready. And they said that they shape shift into a mantis
and I read that and I went, well, uh okay, And then
like April Fool's Day, they told me they were a kidding. It's like,
oh geez, I was thinking there was some issues with the person going
on or something. I thought that was pretty far out there. That's pretty
funny. Yeah, so they got me. But you know, I was
talking about the Royal Caribbean and them having their you know, spacelineer or something
like that. We're not that far yet, but it is really exciting that
there's more and more stories. And I posted another one on my Facebook,
but that the Bigelow Aerospace, you know, inflatable module is going up to
the space station to be attached really soon here and we're getting lots of media
stories on that, and that's just exciting because it's the first step in him,
of course UFO enthusiast Robert Bigelow who's doing this, but it's the next
step for him to create space habitats for space tourism and experimentation. Kind of
a private been going forward. So really because it's so different and it's so
novel, people are really excited about this in the space community. So that's
pretty exciting, you know. I'd like to I would like to explore the
topic of the possibilities of further space travel and possibly you know, territory issues
issues and stuff like that. It would be really interesting to try to look
into the future what could possibly happen. I know that there's already some laws
set in place for the Moon. I believe I've heard that anyway, there
are Bigelow Aerospace has been challenging those and there they've been actually a lead on
figuring this out because they do have They have met with NASA on another project
to actually put a base on the Moon. He wants to put one of
these inflatable habitats on the Moon, and but his his issue is working out
the realist state issue, the law, the laws between behind can he do
that? Who owns the territory? And if he's going to plant something somewhere,
he has to know that it's okay for him to have his device on
this territory because if there are any legal issues that arise, it could of
course be astronomically expensive to move it astronomically. Yeah, what are they going
to do with victim? Yeah, exactly what you're gonna do once plants there,
You're not going to go to the moon and you know, so who
knows. So, yeah, it is an issue that's that's being tackled.
Another one is, uh, we've written about it, but there are some
thing tanks out there that do tackle these issues, which is really interesting.
So they try to figure this sort of thing out. Yeah, that's really
fascinating. Really, Yeah, it is. Is that could go into the
Mars or any other, uh you know, any other uh anything out there
really once we get to travel to wherever it is. Yeah, you know
who owns it? Why would we own it over? You know, possibly
the alien life that's there or whatever. You know. Yeah, So the
week before last there was a lot of great UFO news, Hillary and Jimmy
Kimmel, you know, yeah, talking about UFOs an Area fifty one,
the area fifty one people held at gunpoint, the Roswell UFO and Aaron Rodgers
quarterback seeing a UFO. Lots of great stuff and we've got a lot of
that on YouTube. We did a open Mind GUFO report that we posted last
Friday, so people can see that. However, this week's a little more
slow. We're talking about that before the show. So it's good we had
something to talk about with April fool stuff. However, do you have a
news story you would like to talk about? My friend, Well, I
do only because it's something that I haven't seen before from moufon. I've never
actually seen anything. And this this is titled Witness Virginia Witness reports possible alien
alien abduction. Now a lot of people are reporting alien abductions, so I
wanted to see why this was different and why it was posted in this Basically,
this is a blog written from Roger Marsh and on March third of this
year. This woman was preparing to go to sleep and when the incident began.
And it's a typical it's a typical what you would call an abduction type
of situation, except the there's a bracelet involved. Now, this woman does
a drawing and I had to kind of chuckle the drawing because it's kind of
like a smiling alien that looks like he's kind of doing a jig or something
kind of dance. But also, if you she was talking about it was
standing in front of as a patio doll door and almost as tall as a
door. That's a little different because you know, usually hear these alien type
beings only three or three or four feet tall something like that. And so
anyway, she talks about this bracelet, she drew this bracelet. It's got
a little bit of blame going on there, but it's got also all these
little symbols like you always hear about from either Justsine, Marcel Junior he mentioned
that, or Jim Peniston, or you know, other people have mentioned that
they've seen sort of like writing on a craft has some little do dads written
on the bracelet, and so anyway, it's it's a it's an abduction report.
It's also one that the first one I've seen actually that mouf On actually
or anyone wrote about from Moufon, like Roger as far as I'm as far
as I know, it's his first blog on any abduction case. That's a
good point. I don't remember him writing about abduction cases in the past either.
I think what was he I know he found this one really interesting.
I talked to him a bit about it. Uh, not just that she
has these drawings which are really cool. I think he just found her to
be very credible. So yeah, it isn't interesting. It's a little different
than the normal abduction report, so it's interesting. I mean, who knows
what's going on here? It doesn't seem as though there's any physical evidence,
so I always wonder, you know, are these non physical? Are these
like a dream or something or something more? I don't know. It's so
strange, and before people get too upset with me, I don't know if
people realize that John Mack everybody loves to talk about John Mack. He was
the number one abduction researcher blah blah blah, and he was great. Don't
get me wrong, I'm a big fan of his as well. But he
did not believe that this was a physical phenomena. He felt it was a
non physical phenomena, that it was kind of a non physical part of us
that was being somehow accessed or by a third party. You mean basically was
and this is basically the second time I've heard the same thing this week.
Are you saying that what he was saying that there was something actually going on
through possibly aliens or whatever, but just not physically exactly. Hmm, Yeah,
I know. I don't think a lot of people realize that people think
of abductions as a physical because you know, that's what it implies, You're
being physically abducted and taken somewhere. And of course, some of the great
place cases like Travis Walton or the main Allegash people, or Betty Parney Hill
that they do seem to be a physical phenomena. However, he felt in
the people he spoke with that it was a non physical phenomena, and for
the most part, but he did feel that some sort of extraterrestrial race was
engaging the human race, but in a non physical way where they felt like
they were being physically abdu but they were being taken and interacted with. So,
you know, that would actually explain a lot of things why there is
never any physical evidence and why there are you know, occasionally we hear about
witnesses, but usually there aren't any witnesses. But the problem with that is
you can't really prove that's the case. You can't prove that it's not a
psychological phenomenon that's true. You can't prove it is or it is not.
Really, Yeah, so who knows. I don't know, you know,
I think part of the discussion coming up with Sean in a minute, we
kind of talk about that and some experiences he had that I think are really
interesting in this kind of area. But yeah, so you know, sometimes
it's almost like some mysteries are just meant to remain mysteries. You know,
there is, as my son has said to me before, whatever whatever it
is, whether it's a ghost or anything, there is some type of answer
for what happened. You know, no matter what it is, there is
an answer. But to ever be able to figure out what that answer is,
that's the tough part. Yeah, exactly, all right. So the
case I want to talk about is another story written by Roger marsh It's another
movefine case. This is a video case. This took place April fifteenth,
twenty fifteen. A witness said they were videotaping a pulsing square shaped UFO low
in the sky. He said he was walking towards his car when he saw
this object. It was about forty degrees above the skyline. And you know,
you could watch this video and see this object. It was kind of
funny. He said. The object was moving away from me very slowly before
it disappeared behind the tree line. And but his comments, I mean,
you hear him and his wife is skeptical and he's like, what do you
mean, of course that's a UFO. At first I looked at it and
I thought that's just a bright star. I mean, it looks like it's
pulsating, but it looks like that's due to scintillation or the atmosphere, especially
when something is low on the horizon, the atmosphere is even more causes the
effect of looking like pulsing and twinkling type of effect. And so that's what
I thought it was. But you know, just so people know, Roger
does pass these videos past some other you know, the Scientific Board of Move
Fun. Recently he's been doing that more so to make sure to see what
they thought. And I talked to a couple of those guys and I said,
guys, this looks like a star and they said, yeah, but
you know there's a witness, uh what he says? And it it does
move slowly. And when I watched the video again and I put it in
full screen, it is moving. So it's not sure it's moving against against
other stars you see other stars. Well, it's it's moving slowly, but
at a at a pretty good pace, more more quickly than a star would.
I mean, the video is only a minute long, and it moves
a pretty good distance from the beginning to the end of the video. Although
that is it is moving slowly, so it's I think it is moving slower
than star, faster than stars would. Now it's moving straight and then a
set at a steady speed, so I guess. And typically satellites don't necessarily
move slow. They moved pretty quickly, but maybe if one was moving away,
it would have here to be moving so slower than it was, so
I don't know, it's I can't explain in the movement. But at first
I thought it was just no big deal. I don't know. You you've
seen the video, what else do you have any other thoughts? No,
you know, I'm actually looking at it now, you know. I mean,
it's it's too bad. A lot of times, you know, though,
I've tried to film things at night and on my iPhone and it's just
it's next to impossible. And then you always get the feedback. Ah,
it's another it's just a blurry light in the in the sky. What does
it mean? You know? Yeah, but it's still it's still interesting and
I think you worth looking at. Yeah, and the guy taping is definitely
very enthusiastic about it. So yeah, Well, as we all know,
I mean, when you're there at the moment, your phone just not does
not capture. I'm sure we've all had this experience where we are somewhere and
we see something extraordinary or great, even if it's just a pretty something pretty
that we've seen, you know, and we videotape it, and you look
at your video and it just does not do you know, your experience justice
at all exactly. Yeah, So there's a couple news stories for people.
Did you have anything else? No, I think I'm pretty much wrapped up
for the day myself. All right, great, and did you want to
give us an update on you? Oh? Yes, hey, I'm as
far as shaving my head for kids. I mentioned this last week. This
is for children with cancers and their families. It's a benefit I'm doing,
and it's right on my website podcast UFO. If anyone wants to donate,
you can donate as little as you want or as much as you want.
I'm almost halfway there to my thousand dollars goal. I have a four hundred
and thirty three dollars raised from a lot from fans that have pitched in,
and it's going great. It's excellent. I looked at other people that have
done this in the past, and I would say that I'm doing pretty darn
good. Awesome. Well, so we have a weekend, a couple of
days left, and I will be totally bald for kids. Awesome. That's
gonna You're gonna look great. I'm sure you're gonna look like the Rock or
Van Diesel. The women are gonna be just oh, they're going to clamoring
now, yeah, I did. I did get a uh a message that
someone said, well, i've seen you in person before. There won't be
too much hair on the floor. So that was nice to get a nice
little comment. It won't take long, right, so awesome, And we'll
put the link in the show notes again. And uh yeah, people check
that out, you know. Also, is it a tax deduction? This
is probably a nice fit. Oh yes, it's all the forms. Once
someone donates, they'll get they'll get the proper code or whatever it is to
use for tax deduction. Yes, so that that's important for some people,
this being tax time, people having to get taxes done. Maybe Bob Bigelo
will be listening, you never know, Yeah, Bob, hey, Bobby
Baby, I know you're listening to the show. Yeah, you know,
go check this out. Well, great, thanks man, all right,
thanks a lot. Okay, let's go ahead and talk to Sean. I'm
very happy to welcome to the show, Sean Kevin Jason. Hello, Hello,
how's it going? Aleandre? Good? How are you doing? Not
too bad? So you're not too far from here, you're nearby in Tucson.
Actually, I'm up in Las Vegas now. Moved here not too long
ago. So yeah, and joined Sin City here. Oh, I guess
I didn't realize that. Yeah, you're you're liking it. Oh yeah,
yeah, it's actually my hometown. So I just move back home. Cool,
And I guess the climate's not too different. Huh. No, this
is pretty much the same as Tucson, just less casino. I mean,
well, Tucson has less casinos obviously. Yeah. Well, And the reason
I say two soon is because, at least for a little while there,
when I was helping and I was in some Tucson moof on meetings, you
were out there, so I think you went to all of them. I
got to see you there then. Yeah, we've been pretty much running in
the same circles for a while now, either it was Arizona or Colorado.
Yeah. So I'm just waiting for you to move up to Las Vegas now,
Yeah, who knows. And I do love Vegas. I've been craving.
I need to make another Vegas trip. It's funny. People are like,
you know, you don't really drink or gamble, but there's plenty to
do in Vegas other than that. Watching people drink in the gamble is pretty
entertaining. Oh yeah, yeah, that's a show in itself. Yeah,
exactly. So we've also been in similar online circle so on Facebook and everything
as well. Oh absolutely, yes, And that's what I want to talk
about because you have an interest and of course, as you've noticed, and
we'll talk more about this in a little bit. You know, we've we've
had a lot of triangle UFO cases that we've post did, but you had
your own extraordinary sighting. Correct. Correct. It was actually twenty years ago
last month when I encountered a black triangle on my way up to Area fifty
one, back when I previously lived in Las Vegas at the time. Basically,
it was just late after work one night, decided to make a trip
up there, and on my way had encountered a black triangle hovering over the
highway. And this was like maybe ten minutes outside of town, so it
wasn't really that far. I was certainly closer to Las Vegas than I was
the Area fifty one at the time. Essentially saw it off in a distance.
At first, I thought it was just another car in the road.
Looked like a bunch of headlights ahead of me, but it was still far
off that couldn't really tell what it was, just assumed it was a car,
but as I drove closer to it, I realized it was actually hovering
over the road. And my first impress was it was a helicopter, probably
a police copter, looking for speeders. But at the time of night and
the location just didn't make any sense. They weren't really going to find anyse
feeders in the middle of nowhere, that late at night. So I got
to think, and then you know, of course this must be a UFO
or something. Obviously, something flying over the road for no apparent reason.
As curious enough about how high over the road was at twenty feet or less.
Wow, so very close, yeah, very close. I had a
pair of binoculars in the car, so I actually put up my binoculars.
Why I'm driving and trying to view the object just in case it was gone
by the time I arrived, which I could see that there was something there
that it definitely was a solid object over the road shining the lights on the
road. But trying to drive with binoculars, you know, fifty sixty miles
an hours not a good idea. So you know, I threw them in
the back and just decided to step on it and see if I couldn't catch
up with the craft, but it waited for me. It didn't move,
It just sat there, just parked over the road. This was a highway
ninety three, not too far from Apex. Okay, And I'm sorry,
what time did you say it was? It was just right around ten o'clock,
between ten o'clock and ten ten. The whole thing lasted about ten minutes,
okay, And you were probably headed what to three seventy five is out
extraterrestrial highway? Correct? Yeah, I was taking ninety three up in that
direction until it eventually, you know, connects with three seventy five. So,
and if I remember the area correctly, I mean it's it's pretty deserted.
It doesn't take far to get out of Vegas to be in the desert
there. And there's some hills to the left where the tone upon all the
Nellis range and everything is right. Yeah, And in fact, this area
on ninety three, of course, it's just on the south end of the
Nellis Air Force Range. Wow. Interesting, I'm sorry, So go ahead.
So you started to come upon it, came upon it parked right underneath
it. It was really low to the ground from my perspective looking at the
rear of the craft. It was actually cutting off the mountaintops off in a
distance, so it was low enough that I couldn't actually see the mountains on
the horizon because it just chopped them off. It was, of course a
black triangle. It was darker than the night sky, so you can actually
make out the shape of the craft. It had nine lights on it,
and the light bulbs were what fascinated me the most about the craft, especially
since there was really nothing else you can see. I mean, you can
see the black outline of the triangle, but there was nothing as far as
details on the craft to study other than the lights themselves. And the light
bulbs were simply filament floodlights, your standard Thomas Edison type bulbs, well you
know, not the type you would use and say your house, but as
far as the technology goes with filament bulbs and the way they work in that
respect, so the technology was very man made, very familiar, nothing exotic
or unusual about it. Were they all white? Yeah, yeah, all
nine white lights. And what was the configuration of the lights three on each
side or were there some on the tips or it was shaped in an a
delta formation, so you have one light front and center, and then on
each side four lights come on off of that. But when I was looking
at the craft and figuring out the spacing between each light, it would have
been entirely possible. You know. Supposedly maybe they have some type of controls
with the lights on these craft that can you light up different arrays, different
formations of the lights. So it looked like the lights could have easily wrapped
around all three edges of the craft. And was there any noise? No,
you know, I was listening trying to hear any type of noise.
It was windy that night, and you can hear when you're out in the
desert at night and the wind is blown, you can definitely hear it blowing
through the brush pretty good. And that was basically all I could hear was
the wind blowing through the brush. But outside of that, no, there
was no noise. So you were buy yourself out there under this craft.
Yeah yeah, so yeah, then what happened basically just sat there observing it,
just couldn't take my eyes off of it. I had to pinch myself
really good unto actually drew blood, just to make sure it wasn't imagining this
or you know, it was some dream or something. Just had to tell
myself this was really happening. It just messed around with the car, revved
up the engine to make sure the car was still running, everything was still
turned on, and just basically waiting to see what this craft would do.
I just sat there, not moving. Finally I decided to reach behind me
for the binoculars because I wanted a really good look at the light bulbs on
the either. So you didn't get out of your car. I wanted to,
but I was a little hesitant too. Yeah, I really wanted to
get out and grab some rocks and see if I couldn't bust out the lights
on underside of it, because it was it was certainly close enough I could
have, but yeah, I was a little hesitant about throwing rocks at this
thing. Yeah, so I reached behind me for the binoculars because I wanted
a really good look at the lights. I was, you know, expecting
maybe to see some type of logo or you know, ge stamped on these
things or something. So I couldn't find the binoculars. I must have threw
them, you know, pretty good in the back. So I turned around
to see if I can visually see them and grab them. But split second
I turned away from the craft, it started flying away, So I grabbed
the monoculars, turned back around and realized it's not hovering over me anymore,
and it had taken off. So I scanned the horizon and noticed that it
had exited to my seven o'clock position from the direction I was facing, so
it was kind of heading in a westerly direction towards Vegas, halfway between Vegas
and an LS Air Force range when I spotted it again, and of course
I had the binoculars on hand and picked it up and was watching it that
was flying away, And that was the most unusual part of it was the
manner in which it flew. Typically, when you read UFO reports, they
fly pretty level, straight standard for a flight, same as an aircraft,
it's going to fly in a pretty straight line. But this was actually hugging
the ground in a way that it followed the contour of the ground. So
if the ground went up a little, it rose a little, If the
ground went down a little, it went down. It was as if it
was controlled to stay twenty feet from the ground regardless of what the ground did,
so it just followed the ground all the way until it eventually reached that
mountain ranged It was just to the north of Highway ninety three, And once
it reached the base of the mountain, I was expecting it was going to
fly over it, but it actually climbed the mountain in a way that it
just stayed twenty feet off the ground and eventually climbed up, went over the
top and down the other side of it. Wow. And the last direction
it was heading was basically towards Danellis Air Force Range. Wow. That is
pretty extraordinary. And like you said, a little different than other reports.
Now you were headed to Area fifty one, and so at this point,
was that because you had an interest in UFOs or was it an interest in
black projects or both? Well, at the time, I actually had no
knowledge really of man made UFOs or anything like that. I was totally on
the whole alien angle, and I made a lot of trips out the Area
fifty one hoping to have, you know, a sighting or an encounter or
something to that effect. So that night completely caught me off guard. I
was totally unexpected to some degree. I know the story is supposed to come
out later this year and a book from Ryan pronounced this last rod yes,
yeah, and spray goo fun. There's certainly more to the story. It
didn't begin exactly when I drove out there. The way the story goes was
basically I was at work that evening when I was told to go out to
Area fifty one that night. It's just something that's been with me since my
childhood. I received these like images, precognition images, and usually if I
do what it tells me, though, you know, come to pass.
So this particular night, it told me to go to area fifty one,
and so you were compelled by this inner kind of voice tell me to go
to area fifty one at night? Crap? Is it a voice or is
it more, like you said, more like a feeling and an imagery or
something. It varies with each time it happens. This was the only time
it had anything to do with UFOs. Typically is just benign stuff in my
personal life, and it deals with either things happening to me or family members.
But with this, this particular night, it's more like very strong,
gut filling hunch with a voice based go to area fifty one. And when
that happened, automatically, I assumed there's only one reason, because I've made
many trips out there prior to that, and of course the only reason you
go out there is hoping to see something. So automatically, I assumed,
you know that something must be you know, about to happen, or I'm
have some kind of sighting or encounter. That's what I was going to ask.
I mean, when you first saw this thing and saw it was a
triangular craft, was your first notion to think this is likely an extraterrestrial craft.
Yeah? And actually on the way there, because of that, that
incident or a situation. The whole way there, I'm thinking, Okay,
you know, they gave me some message, some signal they want to meet
me. You know, they're going to roll out the red carpet. I'm
going to meet some ambassadard. They're going to give me a nice four of
the whole galaxy and tell me everything I want to know, drop me back
off at home, you know, in time for bed. But you know,
as far from what really happened. And when I saw the craft and
saw the lights on it and come to realize that this was most likely a
military stealth aircraft, although a very advanced one, then you know, that
threw me for a loop because at that time, you know, like I
said, I was all into the whole alien angle and really knew nothing at
the time about man made UFOs and what type of technology we may have,
and so and this inner voice or this inner feeling that you get, do
you feel that it is extra trestural in nature or did you at that time?
As your views changed on that, well, that was actually part of
the issue because you know, for the many years after that, I was
suffering from a post traumatic stress disorder because of that night and dealing with the
possibility that maybe I was an alien abductdee that you know, maybe it's been
happening my whole life. So I had to really examine my life and somebody
incidents that have happened throughout it determined whether or not, you know, that
was me or not, and wound up going to seeing an abduction support a
therapist, going to group meetings and things of that nature. When Funny had
just come to accept that the craft was a man made not extraterrestrial at all,
and that basically that precognition is just something that's been with me since my
childhood as just seems to be something naturally I've been able to do and not
necessarily there because of an et influence. Wow, So these lights were it
seems one of the things that was really striking to you because, like you
said, they seemed to be very much human technology, something similar to what
you've seen before. Yeah, when we look at filament light bulbs, you
know, of course we credit Thomas Edison for inventing them, but really they
were around for a while before he came along. It was just that Thomas
Edison found a way to make them better and commercialize light bulbs. And of
course, you know, at the time we needed a power grid to you
know, keep the lights turned on at night as well, and that was
our first exposure to artificial lighting, so to speak. And since then,
you know, we have led lights, we have fluorescent lights, we have
an assortment of different types of lights. And by today's standards, the incandescent
ord the filament bulb is pretty outdated only because in terms of energy use,
most of the energy is wasted and it's not actually converted over to light,
rather it's turned into heat. And recent years, some of these bulbs are
basically being phased out because of that, and you know, and trade off
for the more energy efficient fluorescent bulbs that a lot of people are using today.
M hm. So, but you think these were a filament because even
la LEDs nowadays now they have the little chip inside of the bulb, so
they're very similar to the filament. But did you definitely see like the wires
of a filament. Oh? Yeah, had very large coils. These were
very large lights, a standard for flood lights, and the coils were very
large. So it's it's you know, standard light bulb where if you stare
at a bulb long enough and you close your eyes kind of like staring at
the sun, you have it burned on your retina for a little while afterwards,
so you can totally make out the coils and tell you know, that's
exactly what it was. There was no mistake in that. But again,
if this was extraterrestrial or aliens, their technology would be you know, far
surpassed our own and wouldn't even be easily recognizable. Presumably by the time they
reached a technological level to visit other planets, their artificial lighting would have also
been equally as advanced and would have been totally on a different level, which,
of course in many abduction cases. You know, they talk about a
light that also can use to basically pick people up and bring them into the
craft. You know, lights on a whole different level than simply a light
bulb. So this was what ninety six that you had the sighting, Yeah,
March twenty seventh of nineteen ninety six. So then your thoughts afterwards,
now you're very into the black triangles, understandably so, but do you now
doubt the extra tra visitation is happening or do you think perhaps what are your
thoughts that way now? But I know when you start bringing up man made
UFOs, a lot of people get a defensive, especially if they're feel they've
had alien encounters or meetings, because you know, quickly they try to say
what you're just trying to say, All UFOs are man made, There are
no aliens, And that's far from the truth. When you consider all the
reports of alien sightings or encounters or abductions, be one, hundreds or thousands,
it only takes just one of them telling the full truth to make all
this real. Now that doesn't necessarily mean that they encountered aliens, but their
experience was when hundred percent real and done as you know up to the investigators
to determine whether that was truly an alien they encountered. But certainly it just
takes one real case, and I would have to believe that out of all
these cases, there is certainly that. So when it comes to black triangles
themselves, do you have the feeling that some are man made and some are
not, or are you starting to feel that perhaps all of them are?
I would probably say the majority are. A couple of years ago I had
crunch some numbers as far as black triangle reports go, and the vast majority
of sightings began really in the nineties, although I went back into the eighties
and even the seventies, it was in the early nineties that the reports of
triangle UFOs just begin a skyrocket, and today is actually one of the most
commonly reported types of shapes of UFOs. But of course it's not the only
black UFO. We had black triangles, We had black rectangles, as one
was just reported on your site the other day, black boomerangs. So it
would seem that they have a bunch of different types of possibly military UFOs or
man made UFOs, And your sighting was what about a year I guess almost
to the day prior to the Phoenix lights, and yes, And the odd
thing was, I remember about ninety five to ninety six, we were having
a bunch of weird lights over Las Vegas at the time, and I don't
think it ever got reported, but most likely it was Flair's but it was
certainly certainly got me wondering about the Phoenix Lights. But yeah, it wasn't
too long before that. Have you then taken a look at the Phoenix lights
and drawn up some ideas. Actually, when I lived in Tucson, I
had a good friend who witnessed the Phoenix lights because of course after Phoenix then
it was also witnessed over Tucson and her and her whole family had witnessed the
craft as it basically flew right over their vehicle and seemed to be have,
you know, heading right towards Davis Mothman Air Force Base. So you know,
I would assume that it was possibly a military aircraft, one of the
Boomer ranks. Yeah, I guess, really, And that's what's difficult with
a lot of these reports and is that you know, and when I was
a field investigator, I mean, even if I investigated a case that I
thought was compelling. You know, it was something that we didn't know what
it was. The witness seemed very credible. You still can't rule out that
it is something a black project, black military project technology to work working on
that isn't available to the public. Yeah, and that's also you know,
a big difficulty with investigations is you know, we just never know because we
don't have any insight into these projects as to what their capabilities are these days,
so a lot of people could easily mistaken these things for alien vehicles,
and until they're declassified, we won't know any better, you know, And
you know, it brings up a lot of You got a lot of good
points about the nineties and black triangles. You know, the Cosford incident in
the UK. Nick Pope talks a lot about that, and that was the
Phoenix Incident movie they did. Recently they released a video of Nick talking about
Cosford and I've interviewed him on it and written about it. But that was
a triangular case where a lot of military saw it, and funny enough,
Nick says they called the US and said, hey, was this yours?
And the US said, no, do you have anything like that? Because
we've had reports of stuff like that. Doo. Yeah, I can imagine.
And of course, you know, it's one of those things where everything's
compartmentalized, so unless you haven't need to know, you're just not going to
know, you know, saying with d F one seventeen stealth fighter while it
was operating in secrecy, and we had the whole squadron, you know,
operating in a complete secrecy. So you know, it comes no surprise that
most people would not be aware of these craft or you know, where they
operate, who they're from. Yeah, it also seems that period of time,
eighties and nineties, there was more interesting sightings happening around the Area fifty
one area because at that time it was not like it had a lot of
visitors. It was still something most people didn't believe existed. I think they
had a little bit more secrecy anonymity back then as opposed to now where it's
just really famous. Yeah, of course. Yeah, in the nineties,
that was a hey days when it was just starting to get out. Glenn
Campbell was out there, he met him many times, and he was running
his whole Area fifty one museum and used to have conventions out there whatnot.
Of course, today is pretty much dead popular. You know, everyone knows
about it, but not what it used to be back in the day.
So having been someone who lives in Vegas or lived in Vegas and visited often,
there were more visitors in the nineties than there are now. Yeah,
it certainly seems that way back then, Area fifty one was just getting out
there thanks to Bob Bazaar, George Knapp and all that works. So the
nineties it really took off and it was you know, an Independence Day and
things of that nature. When you go out there today, of course people
still stop at the Alien n and for a burger or whatnot, but it
just doesn't seem to be as it was back then, even if it's more
widely known these days. And it was so And now you have a Facebook
page right devoted to black triangle UFOs. Yeah, it's called black triangle UFOs.
Doing not too bad but yeah, usually typically sharing your news feeds whenever
there's a sighting of a black UFO. And what do you feel that you
have discovered over the years looking into this, Well, it depends with the
triangles as scenes. Our technology has advanced a lot more since I've seen mine.
Some of the newer models, it seems to they've mastered cloaking, possibly
making these things invisible to the necked eye. And if we look at stealth
aircraft and we look at the history of aviation and military aircraft, we can
kind of get a sense on where it is they want to go for the
future. When we have a really good grass or understanding of where aircraft and
how they've been used in the pass particularly you know daring wartime. You say
stealth aircraft, most people you know think of d F one seventeen or stealth
bomber, and there's stealth and respect that. Ideally, they want to be
invisible on radar because you don't want to see You don't want the enemy to
see you coming miles away, so you don't want to be picked up on
radar. But stealth is a lot more than just being invisible to radar.
Also, it's about being invisible to the neked eye. It's about being so
quiet that you don't hear it. There's a number of different things at play
on stealth. Same with heat signatures. You know, you want to reduce
a heat signature on a craft so that weapons can't lock on that. So
it's a number of different things, and all those things obviously seem to play
out in these black triangle UFOs. Many of them seem to have cloaking capabilities,
making them invisible to the neckad eye. They typically, although not always,
typically don't make any sound, so you don't hear it coming. If
you do hear it, it's a very low humming noise or a low buzzy
noise. And of course the shape of these crafts suggests that they also would
be pretty much nearly invisible on radar, and the fact that they're painted black
suggests they want to blimt and then with the night sky and typically would operate
most often at night. And you know, the term t R three B
is kind of thrown out there. It's used kind of frivolously and generously,
I think, But do you think that have you looked into the possibility of
that craft. I have looked into that, And like you said, that
name is just thrown out there a lot for pretty much every triangle siding.
But at same starre so many different models that you couldn't, you know,
pin that name on one particular model. It almost seems like it's our own,
you know, the the UFO enthusiasts have created this red herring of their
own making, whereas, like you say, it's probably much more complicated than
that, and that there are many models. Like you said, there's different
shapes of craft, so there could be multiple projects that could have been Well,
the t R three or a I think it was, or one of
those was was a stealth prototype project that never got developed, but there could
be a number of other The Aurora is something that's out there. Of course
that use uses not conventional, but it supposedly is louder and that is something
that is somewhat verified as a real project, although it's still secret. But
there are many projects probably going on out there. Oh yeah, absolutely,
and I have no doubt that they you know, it'll continue going on as
it has been. Even still today these triangles are hovering over roads, chasing
vehicles, hovering over people's houses. So it's you know, they're they're putting
them out there. They want people to see them. That's a good point.
Like how large was the one that you saw? It wasn't that big.
I would say it was probably the standard size of a fighter aircraft,
Whereas I know people have seen ones that are as large as football fields.
Yeah, so obviously there's a number of different models and sizes. It seems
to go up the rectangles as well. These rectangles and boomerangs are typically football
fields. And how thick did it seem? The top of it was a
three sided pyramid based tetrahedron, So when it flew away, the elevation it
was at was lower than me, so I was more or less kind of
looking down at it and was able to see two sides of the top and
make out the top of the craft. But basically it's just like a three
sided pyramid short. Oh wow, so very interesting. Possibly even then similar
to what they saw at the Rendel Stamp Forest. Yeah, something like that,
which was another triangular craft that you know, a credible case in the
UK for those who don't know, And that was what Christmas Night nineteen eighty
yeah, correct, And so yeah, so a lot of these credible cases
out there, and like you said, especially starting in the eighties, I
mean Belgium had a whole wave of them. Yeah, And I know David
Marler I've met once. We discussed this, and he's more of the beliefs
that are possibly mostly alien, although there could be some man made ones.
But of course he sites that triangles go back, you know, all the
way to the beginning, and some respects that's true, but not nearly like
the numbers we see today. You know, we're talking about hundreds of sightings
you know, these days, versus if you're lucky, one sighting every couple
of years back then. And triangular design aircraft was no secret back then.
The Nazis first started doing it with the Horton brothers and their design, and
that only continued after World War Two. In nineteen seventy, there was an
interesting sighting of a triangle craft flying low to the ground in Utah. This
was, I believe, in Frank Salisbury's book the Utah UFO Display, where
witness saw a green Actually it was a multi colored trying flying low to the
ground, but it was primarily green, which was basically typical camouflage paint scheme
for a lot of military aircraft at that time. Yeah, and another thing
that you said, you know was around. There are a lot more sightings.
I mean, it almost seems at times where the majority of sightings or
triangles were just posting triangle after triangle sighting. There's so many of them,
and this has led you to believe that they want to be seen, and
that was part of the problem NIDS had with these aircraft or these craft.
Of course, not everyone recalls the National Institute for Discovery Science under Robert Bigelow,
but they were very big on investigating triangular UFOs as they called them big
black deltas back then, and they had did a number of press releases from
their findings basically saying these are a DoD aircraft, and eventually, I think
it was a year or two later, they recanted their position and basically said
they don't know only because of the manner in which these craft were being used.
Typically, like when the F one seventeen was still secret, they didn't
exactly go flying around buzzing highways and trying to be seen. You know,
they're very secretive, and the operation of those aircraft versus these almost have like
an open deployment, as NIDS called it, to where you know, they
want to be seen. They'll hover over your car, I'll chase your car,
hover over your house. It's like basically a look at me type of
attitude. So they're not completely trying to you know, hide these But of
course the question is why would they do that, and there's a bunch of
different theories about that. That one is, of course, the UFO phenomenon
has always provided a perfect cover for secret military aircraft simply because they can hide
behind UFO reports and most people would dismiss it as some type of alien veh
course, you know, something from Mars whatever, it's not typically gonna come
back to them as you know, this type of military aircraft or that type
mm hmm. That's interesting. And what's great about that is and that this
technology it seems like, you know, they don't have a light bulb technology
necessarily that was more advanced. They just for possibly and this is just of
course all speculation. We're able to discover how to make some sort of anti
gravity craft using a technology that's way beyond anything else, and so knowing people
would be you know, I would not believe that humans could do that.
If they did fly them around areas like they may be doing, then people
like nids would not believe them to be military, and most people probably wouldn't
because they'd be like, you know, well, why would they fly them
around populated areas. It almost makes you think that perhaps the Belgium Wave or
Rendell Schamp forrest were good opportunities to be seen and to start this mythology around
them being extraterrestrial in nature to cover the project. That would make a lot
of sense. And there's a number of different things that come into play.
And of course, you know a lot of people say, you, obviously
this can't be man made or military or what have you, because they're doing
this, but it could also serve a purpose. One of the interesting things
about my encounter that night was on the front of my car, I had
a novelty plate that said Area fifty one. So as I approached the UFO,
I'm assuming, well, obviously I was being watched because they knew precisely
when to fly away the second I took my eyes off that thing, so
they were watching me just as much as I was watching them. And I
can only assume that they obviously must have had some type of camera on the
underside to be able to view what is under the craft and view me.
So you know, when I looked away, it decided to take off at
that point, and it must have seen my front plates when I approached it,
because the angle it flew away in the direction that flew away would have
given it a perfect, you know, the right opportunity to look at my
rear license plate. And one of the things about hovering over vehicles on the
road is if a license plate number, you can easily find out who's driving
a car, and if you were conducting some kind of experiment or test you
wanted to follow up with that person see how that event or that siting affected
your life, you would know exactly who was in it for the most part,
presuming someone else wasn't driving your vehicle, and you know the registered owner
is actually behind the wheel. So with DMV records, I'm sure they would
have access to that sort of thing and be able to figure out who that
person person was, And so you know who knows if they have some program
to follow up and see how these things are affecting people and whether people are
really ready to see this sort of thing or not. When it seems like
it, well, how fast did it move? It was actually as slow
as a helicopter. It wasn't very fast at all, which was surprising.
Typically you hear about these things just shooting off at lightning speed. But no,
if I had a you know, a drone at the time, I
probably could have kept up with it. Do you think this thing was manned
at first? I did, but seeing where the technology is going over the
years, I would say it was probably an early UAV, and I would
I would assume that that is the direction they were going with most of these
aircraft as some tind of unmanned aerial vehicle. Yeah, really interesting. Well,
that's some really interesting stuff. I knew this would be fascinating. I
mean, I'm fascinated with black triangles, and I know a lot of other
people are because, like you said, there are so many sightings of them,
and your sighting is just one of one of the you know, many
exciting ones out there. But you're also working on other things. Yeah.
A few years ago I started taking an interest in these ice fall reports and
decided to invest more time in it and energy and research. So I've been
putting the UFOs to decide for a while because I've been doing that for about
twenty years, and decided to pick up something else that, for the most
part isn't quite fully explained. Of course, Charles Ford wrote about it in
his book The Book of the Damned, and that was probably the first list
or compilation of ice fall reports since that time. Morris K. Jess Up
in the fifties wrote about him in both of his UFO books. Then there
was a professor James McDonald who also was interested in it, wrote about it.
And there's been a few other UFO investigators along the way that have researched
a phenomenon, but no one's actually done any real hard research on this subject.
So decided to give it a shot and see what I can learn and
figure out on that subject. What is the nature of the phenomenon wellfested?
Of course, aircraft play a big part. Most people are familiar with blue
ice falling, a leaking you know, a leaking bathroom on a plane will
cause that, and that's what most people are familiar with. But ice can
form on a plane in a number of ways, including wastewater disposal from a
craft, which is usually dumped from the craft depending on the type of craft,
and that'll build up on the outside of the craft, and as it
descends for its landing, it will usually enter warmer airs and that breaks off
and often crashes into people's cars or through the roof things of that nature.
So those are usually to ones we always hear about in a news Another ice
fall case falling through someone's house. So a good majority of them is from
just aircraft, and it's kind of like the UFO phenomenon. You know,
you get a hundred cases and typically you can solve most of them with just
normal explanations, but you always have a small percentage that are going to be
totally unexplained and you know, defy rational explanation. So you run into the
same thing with ice fall cases. When you get past all the aircraft incidents,
there's always going to be a handful that truly just defy rational explanation,
and it would seem some of them, as a couple of scientists recently have
been studying the phenomenon believe that it is possibly done by global warming and somehow
these large chunks of ice are just forming in the upper atmosphere and then falling
the Earth, which maybe maybe not the type of updraft speed or wind speed
required for these things to get that large would be I don't even think possible
at this time, simply because some of these ice chunks have been reportedly several
hundred Wow, can you tell us one of the one of the mysterious stories.
One of my favorite cases was a case from eighteen forty nine I think
it was in early August and it was Scotland, fell on a farm.
As the report goes, the witnesses heard the loudest thunder they had ever heard.
That's how they described it. It's just a tremendous thundering sound, just
one, just one thunder sound, and then this large ice mass hit the
ground, just narrowly missing the farmhouse. And basically it had a twenty twenty
foot circumference. So if you if you do the math, you figure the
ice had weighed over a ton. Oh my gosh, that's basically a small
car. And for something to develop that large in the atmosphere, it's just
impossible because the wind required to keep that thing afloats long enough to get that
large could never happen. So the most likely explanation was this was a piece
of ice from space. Another interesting part of that report was their description of
the ice was primarily composed of cubes or diamonds, diamond shaped cubed ice,
which wouldn't be discovered for another one hundred years until I believe it was the
forties, and it's called cubic ice, which is typically formed in the atmosphere
upper atmosphere, so it would seem that what possibly happened is this ice came
from space. Once it got through the upper atmosphere, it melted but refroze
as it hit the coulder parts of our atmosphere, and then as it descended,
that thundering sound was actually a shock wave as this ice was traveling faster
than sound, so basically breaking the sound barrier. Hm. Cool. Weird
of course when you when you start getting into that sort of explanation and the
next you know idea is what type of life was in that ice? Because
we talk about panspermia and how it may have seeded life on this planet,
it's possible it's still going on today. And yet you know, we're looking
to space and UFOs for extraterrestrial life when in fact it's probably falling from the
skies all around us all the time. Mm hmm. Yeah. And it's
what's interesting is there are some scientists who believe that's the case, and they're
seen as very fringe, but it seems like mainstream science is getting more and
more warming up for lack of a better term, to that idea. There
was a case right around two thousand and This was the same timeframe when all
ice ice was falling over Spain, and the whole term Megacryer Metea was born
in Ontario. Right around Ontario, Canada, ice had fallen on a man's
driveway. He collected it and eventually had it analyzed. Now, whether or
not it was done right, it doesn't appear it was handled correctly, so
his findings are certainly debatable. But he felt he found alien microbial life and
this ice, and eventually held a few press conferences making his announcements. Of
course, it wasn't well received by the scientific community or the public, and
not many people know about this case. But he still claims to this day
that he found microbial life from another planet, or at least from space,
and has a whole website devoted to it. I was called a Snyder crite,
if I'm not mistaken. He actually named it after himself. But yeah,
it certainly raises the possibility that if ice is falling from space, then
it may very well have microbial life in it. I think they recently said
that there were some bacteria that grew better in space and experiments on the ISS
also, and then of course Russia said that they found they scraped some algae
off of the iss. But the question is where did that algae come from
above or below, which is being debated. Yeah, exactly, And I
recall seeing an article about it growing better in space in that one case.
So certainly raises some interesting questions. And it's one of those things where has
taken this long for anyone to really start looking at this stuff. It seems
like, you know, the answers have been there all along. You know,
we want to find alien life, but it could be it's falling at
our front doorstep all this time. You know, they preach about panspermia and
its seeding life on Earth, but you know when we think about that,
it's always in respect. Well that was billions of years ago. It doesn't
happen anymore, but it could very well still be happening to this day.
And who knows what may be falling from the skies on the ground, in
our lakes or oceans. There's no telling without any you know, real investigative
work or analysis of these ice falls. And you called it mega cryomeiords or
you use that term. Yeah, And that was a term invented by doctor
Martinez from Spain after studying the ice falls in Spain around two thousands. Basically,
it means large icy or frozen meteor and that is that I saw you
post something about that. Is that a new Facebook page or a new website
you're putting up both. I have a Facebook page it's just called Mega Cryo
Meteors, but there's also a website Mega kryer Meteors dot org. And right
now I'm still compiling the database, actually working with another gentleman who just submitted
all his data back from when he worked on this in the nineties. So
right now we have a database about three hundred cases of ice falls. I'm
going back to the early eighteen hundreds, and what we're doing, or what
I'm doing, is mapping every ice fall case. Thanks to Google Maps and
GPS coordinates and all that we have the day, it makes it a lot
easier to map them all and look for patterns. And one such case,
we've mapped everything over the LA area and found that most of the ice falls
over LA line up perfectly with the Los Angeles International Airport. And there's actually
another case that happened just last week over Colton, California, and using historical
our data, was able to pinpoint a plane that was flying directly over the
impact spot at the time of the incident. So as you know, as
we're finding out and seeing that a lot of it is the result of aircraft,
but certainly not all of it. So maybe you'll be able to make
a case with all of this data that they need to be a little more
careful with their disposal processes or how that comes out, especially like you said,
when it's going through roofs and hitting cars and things. Yeah, and
certainly a few people have actually been hit by these things. There was a
case in India late last year where one hit a woman and had injured her,
but fortunately didn't kill her. A few people have actually been hit by
these things, but never typically with the full force. Usually it's coming through
a roof first, or is being slowed down by some other object before he
hits the person. I do recall, and I'm still researching these cases,
but it was rumored two people were killed in the fifties from ice falls,
but there's not much information available on those cases, so it's entirely possible.
But certainly if that happened, obviously that would be a pretty good lawsuits.
Yeah, besides the Facebook page, do you have a website for your black
triangle work. I used to I don't have it up anymore. I'm going
to just put it off to the side. When it comes to the triangle
stuff, I think a lot of people are strying to warm up to the
idea that these are man made. It's certainly not a new idea. And
I think most people are, you know, pretty happy with just reading UFO
reports in general, rather than a site that's just devoted to this phenomenon.
But they can't go to your Facebook page if they want to see more cases
and all in one place. Right when I see reports in the news,
I'll share them on that page and they can usually follow with the latest reports
on there. And I and I think this is a big deal though.
I mean, if you know that they have a project that has been secret
since the eighties or nineties of something that can move like what you witnessed,
that's a big deal. And so I think this is an important topic,
so really interesting stuff. Thank you so much for joining us today. Oh,
no problem, that is my pleasure. Thank you, Alliandro. Thank
you very much to Sean for being on the show. A very interesting discussion.
I love this talk about black triangles. I know you guys probably too,
because they're really popular sighting. Lots of people see them, and there's
been incredible sightings people have, Like I mentioned before, Lee Spiegel had an
incredible one. You know, we've talked about that on the show. Nick
Pope has talked about several important cases and so on and so forth. So
very fascinating, and I think Sean's sighting is one of the most incredible out
there. Just fascinating, and I mean I've known Sean for a while,
I have no reason not to believe him, so pretty incredible stuff. And
his thoughts are interesting on the topic, and his like pre cognitive stuff that's
also really interesting. I was not expecting that. I didn't even know about
that. So really cool, really fun stuff to talk about. Thank you
so much for being on the show, Sean. In fact, to find
Sean's Black Triangle UFO page, just go to Facebook and search for black Triangles
and you'll find it. You know, there's not a whole lot of black
Triangle Facebook pages out there, and you'll be able to find that and see
all the story that he posts on that topic. Very interesting. And then
the other thing he talked about was this mega cryo meteors. If you go
to Megacryo meteors dot org you'll find the website that he is creating on that
topic as well. If you find that interesting, any want to follow that
phenomenon. That's pretty cool stuff too, So thank you so much for Sean.
To Sean for being on the show. That was a really interesting conversation.
And guess what, We're gonna have another show, so I'm really you
know, we're back on track. I'm gonna try to have a show every
week and we are on track for that. I've got next week's interview scheduled.
This is gonna be really interesting. We're gonna be talking to an astronomer
and essentially a project where they are You might be aware of the Wow signal.
That was a SETI signal that was obtained that they thought was mysterious and
some people have been lately saying that they think it was a comment. Others
are not so sure. Some people believe it was intelligent in nature, so
it might be extraterrestrial. So we're going to talk to him about this signal
and his project to recreate that signal, so they really want to test this
comment theory. But we'll talk to him. He's done some UFO research and
we'll see what his views are on this topic. But he's getting a lot
of news, including I think there was a story I posted on my Facebook
page on Discover magazine, but the April Foolish jokes. Of course, you
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this for the first time, just like last week. Michael Klein, you
know, our video producer. He put together a video of UFO photos from
our archives, just a short little video with some music and you know,
there's no narration, but it's really cool because we can post it in Facebook
and then it plays like those videos you say in Facebook, so you could
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