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welcome to the show. I hope you're all doing well. I'm Nick Hunter
and you'll listen to the UFO Chronicles podcast. Tonight's guest is Katie Page from
Colorado in the US, and Katie will be sharing her childhood experiences of growing
up on the Rocky Mountain Ranch. The ranch is a place of steeped in
mystery and high strangeness. Some things experienced on the ranch will include cattle mutilations,
strange lights, unexplained humming sounds, black helicopters, sasquatch encounters, and
scorch marks on the ground, to name but a few. Katie is an
author, has spoken at several conferences, and independently investigates and researches through her
Rocky Mountain Ranch Research Foundation. She also appears on the History channels Beyond skin
Walker and the Travel Channel's UFO Witness. Katie is up next, but first,
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much appreciated. Now on with the show. Hello, Katie, welcome to
the show. Well, hello, thank you for having me. It's great
to be here, Katie. It is wonderful to have you with us today.
And you're calling from Colorado. I sure, am. I live outside
of Colorado Springs right behind actually Cheyenne Mountain, norarad in the beautiful Rocky Mountains,
and which I absolutely love because you know, we stay a good ten
to fifteen degrees cooler than let's stay down in the city, so it's always
nice weather up here. So lots of outdoor activities and wide open spaces for
sure. I love getting out there and hiking. And there's a lot of
wonderful water sports to do out here, canoeing and rafting and you name it.
And skiing of course, the good old Colorado is known for the skiing,
so it's a wonderful state to live in. Okay, Now, Katie,
you have some experiences you're going to be sharing of us. Would you
like to start at the beginning please, ma'am? Yeah, absolutely, I
mean, for me, this topic has just become a passion for me because
I've been looking for answers to experiences I had and my older sister and my
mother on a ranch in Colorado when I was a young kid between the ages
of nine and twelve. I was threatened and warned not to talk about what
was happening out there. And we can get into that here in a little
bit, but basically, you know, I never knew anybody knew anything about
it, or that it was ever investigated or researched. It wasn't until gosh,
maybe twelve thirteen years ago that I started to really question all those experiences
my family had out there on this rocky mountain ranch. And so I joined
Muffon in twenty twelve. I came in as a field investigator, you know,
did all the studying, took the tests, and I did that really
just to investigate UFO in the state of Colorado to see if I can find
any commonalities or any answers to what happened in the nineteen seventies. So the
years that I was out there on this branch was from nineteen seventy five to
nineteen seventy eight. Again, I was nine to twelve years old, and
we had a lot of unusual things happen out there on this ranch. It
started with strange hum sounds and bangs from underground. This is where the rash
of cattle mutilations was happening almost daily. This is where Linda molten Howe got
her start. And not only cattle, but we had horse and sheep and
dog, and ranches were arming themselves, So that was very terrifying. Strange
circles on the ground, craft and orb sightings, sasquatch creatures, crypto creatures,
paranormal activity, military presence with strange blocked out helicopters, all sorts of
different things, these strange weird boxes that I saw on others saw and so
in twenty thirteen, I purchased book titled Hunt for the skin Walker by Colm
Kelly and Her PhD. And George Knapp. And I'm reading this book thinking
I would maybe learn some things or find some commonalities. And I get to
a chapter and titled other Hot Spots, and I started reading about a ranch
in Colorado. And I knew when I started reading that this was the ranch
of my childhood. And it was in that book that I learned of doctor
Leo Sprinkle, PhD. Out of Laramie, Wyoming, doctor John Durr,
PhD. And Peter Van Arsdale, PhD. And I also learned in that
book that the APRO, the Aerial Phenomena Research Organization APRO, indeed investigated and
researched the ranch in Colorado. So very quickly I got a hold of doctor
Leo Sprinkle's contact information, and he's old school, so I wrote him a
letter and he quickly wrote back, and lucky for me, Laramie, Wyoming's
a quick two and a half hour drive from where I was living at the
time, and just developed a really close friendship with doctor Leo Sprinkle for the
next three and a half years as I just did a deep dive in his
archives and got all the information, the original information from that investigation on the
Colorado Ranch, and I've been investigating it ever since. So you know some
of the initial reports that I got back there. I mean that first the
first weekend at doing the investigation and research on the Colorado Ranch, and I
had my hands on these original documents and the letters going back from the adults
at the ranch at the time were just unbelievable to me, because when you're
a young child between the ages of nine and twelve. It's kind of a
magical time you question your own memories. Me and my sister talked about it
a little bit. But as you go through life, you know, you
get married, I raised a family, I earned my degree, and all
of these high strangeness kind of woo stuff was in the back of my mind.
In the over ten years of researching the ranch, I've really come to
learn so much and ask so many questions. And one of the first questions
I asked myself was how much of this is actual UFO paranormal unexplained phenomena and
how much of it is Black Access project, military projects MK ultra kind of
things that were going on. And in my research, the first one of
the very first things I did was I wanted to compile names of other people
who experienced things in that area. And the first thing I always liked to
tell the listeners is this phenomena wasn't just occurring on this one particular ranch,
and it did not just happen to one particular family. This was the whole
area of Elbert County at the time, and Elbert County is it's east of
Denver, It's in between Denver and Colorado. Springs, and it has you
know, towns like Franktown, Elizabeth, Kiowa, Semila Rama. These are
all small towns. A lot of these towns have cattle ranches. So the
whole area was affected. And there was a lot of newspaper articles from back
in the day. And one of the first things I was able to do
was fly out to Florida and I did a wonderful interview with the widow and
the son of a sheriff in Elbert County in the seventies. His name was
Bill Waugh. He was actually featured in Linda moulten House's movie A Strange Harvest.
She actually interviews Bill Waugh in that film and also Officer George Yarnell.
And so getting to interview the widow of Bill Waugh and his son, she
pulled out on the kitchen table. She pulled out a big, huge envelope
of all these newspaper articles that she had saved for the day. So I
took those home with me, scanned all of them, and took all the
names out of those documents, out of those articles, and came up with
an Excel spreadsheet of over two hundred and fifty witnesses from the area and so
you know, for the last ten years now, I've been contacting a lot
of these people, doing face to face interviews and really just getting a big
body of commonalities and other people who have experienced things. One of these witnesses
her name Sheila. I'll leave her last name out of it because I didn't
ask her permission, but she did give me permission to use her first name.
But right out of high school, she was married and she moved into
the town of Rama, which is very close to Elbert County, and they
had a cattle farm, and she had told me that her husband was out
on horseback checking the cows for calves, and he came across a dead calf
who had four incisions in a perfect square cut out. The top of the
fur was removed, but the skin was still there. So he gets on
the horse. He goes back and gets my witness, Sheila. They drive
back twenty twenty five minutes later in the pickup, and that calf had been
mutilated, catterized, blood drained, organs removed. They said they felt watched
it felt eerie. And so you know, we're friends on Facebook, and
Sheila goes, oh, my gosh, Katie, I found the pictures from
that. So I have the pictures from back in the day where you see
this calf that the cadized. There was no tracks around it, no animals
would approach it, there were no truck marks. This was miles off the
county road. They heard no helicopter noise, anything like that. It's a
really really interesting case. But she also had a photograph of what it looks
like when a coyote kills cattle, and they're very, very different. So
one of the questions I also had was are the mutilations still going on to
this day? Is there still this type of activity or was it, you
know, only from seventy five to seventy eight, And if so, why
why was it so heightened during these years, And why does the phenomenon seem
to ebb and flow? And I find that an interesting question, and I
think I have theories on that, which I'll share here in a minute.
But one of my big questions was, you know, how much of this
is paranormal activity, how much of this is military? And then what came
first the chicken or the egg? Was the military causing it or were they
aware of it and investigating it? And where I stand now is I think
what's going on is this history at the ranch pre dates the military presence,
because in the book and in the research i'd done, the ranch itself was
previously owned by the Mulligans and was known as the Mulligan Ranch or the Mulligan
Homestead in the eighteen hundreds. And I found a really cool article about Dick
Mulligan, who in later years became the caretaker of winter Park ski resort,
and there's a ski run, a black ski run for experts called the Mulligan
Mile, And in that article it talks about Dick Mulligan having the gift of
gab and bold exaggeration. Well, Dick Mulligan was born and raised on this
ranch of my childhood, so I find that kind of interesting. And then
talking with vocals of the area, they say they've seen orange orbs and lights
and strange things happening at this particular property years and even decades before the military
presence. So when it comes to answering the question of how long has this
phenomenon been in this location, I think it predates the military presence. So
for my own research, I believe that the military got wind of, you
know, these mutilations that were going on and these strange paranormal orb sightings and
other types of activity, and they went in trying to look for answers,
just like the rest of us. That is what my research has been showing
me. But there's no doubt that during the years of the high mutilations that
were going on, that there was definitely a no FLI zone and put over
the counties. The police were working across many different states all through the Midwest.
So you had when I interviewed the Walls, they had a map in
the police station where they were looking at mutilations occurring, let's say in Montana,
Wyoming, Colorado, and they would have these big maps in the police
stations. They would mark with pins the time and dates of these mutilations,
some of them occurring within hours of each other. There would be a mutilation
in Montana and one in Elbert County almost at the exact time. So I
found that to be very interesting. Some of the more interesting things about this
branch that I uncovered. One of my memories that I personally have with my
sister. It was a springtime and here in the Rockies in Colorado, we
have these wet, heavy snows in the spring so the sun will be shining,
you know, it'll be a nice, comfortable fifty five to sixty five
degrees, but we'll have snow on the ground. Sister and I were on
the ranch property and we were out there flipping the frisbee. There was the
sweat heavy snow on the ground and we looked down at our feet and there
was this large snowless circle and the dirt was completely dry. Nothing grew,
and it was just really strange, so much so that we remember it all
these years later, and we said, remember that strange circle, And what's
fascinating When we finally got the original April Bulletin report, which anybody can google,
by the way, if you go online and you just type in the
clear View Ranch because it was known as Clearview at the time April bulletin nineteen
seventy eight, you should be able to find it and pull it up and
read it. But in that document it said that there were two circles actually
on the ranch, and the photographer took a picture of the large circle,
approximately seventy five feet in diameter. And what's really interesting, the investigators say
that there were drops of blow in the snow outside of the snowless circle.
So to actually see that printed in the apera bulletin was a really cool validation
and to my memory and to my sister's memory of that incident. But the
most important thing that we found in that apera bulletin was the scariest night on
the ranch for us. There were the three sons. My mom was dating
the gentleman that owned the ranch, and he had three sons, and then
it was my sister and I. So we were all there in the ranch
house and the adults were playing board games and we were hanging out in the
boys' bedroom in the back, and that hum sound started up. And anytime
that home would start up, something would happen, something unusual would happen,
and so everybody's like on edge, and so here's that hum. It kind
of sounds like, you know, kind of like that. Then all the
power in the house goes out, and I can remember being very fright,
and at that time, the brightest light I've ever seen in my life.
I say, it's brighter than the sun. It's coming through the window at
the boy's bedroom. And at that time, this electronic sounding, disembodied voice
came out of every orfice in the house, and it terrified both my sister
and I, but it is quoted in the Apple Report and to see the
quote was just jaw dropping for me. And the quote in the Apple Report
says, attention, we have allowed you to remain We have interfered with your
lives very little. Do not cause us to take action which you will regret.
Your friends will be instructed to remain silent concerning us. That was the
direct threat that my mother took very seriously, and my sister and I were
instructed to not talk about what was happening on the ranch. Now, as
an investigator and a researcher, my question is where did that come from?
Was that piped in from the military, Was that Black Access Projects? Was
that MK Ultra? What was happening at that ranch where we're getting this warning
to not talk about what is happening there, I believe and through doctor Leo
Sprinkle's files and John who was living at the ranch at the time, who
has who claimed to have and I'm still looking for proof of his Air Force
connection. He started in San Francisco in the Air Force, and it makes
me question, you know, he would have people visit the ranch and were
they doing some mk ultra type of experiments out there. One of the notes
in doctor Leo Sprinkle's files that I uncovered, and I'll just read it directly.
It says Warren and then his last name is redacted out from Camp Carson
visits the ranch. My first question is why is there a soldier from Camp
Carson at the ranch. But he said he felt something wrong. He wouldn't
go into the woods. Something took over his mind. It made him walk
towards the wood. It would release him and he could run back to the
house. And this did this to him five times. So that was in
doctor Leo Sprinkle's note. So what is taking over his mind? Is it
something that like mk ultra? Also in doctor Leo Sprinkle's notes, we have
a note that says Bill Waugh, which is the officer that passed away,
and I interviewed his wife and son was the under sheriff. He wants to
talk to someone. He has seen ships going into the ground, boxes mutilations
being done. Nobody will talk. He doesn't want an investigation or the publicity.
That's why back in the day it was known as the Clearview Ranch because
they didn't want the stigma. They didn't want the publicity, he said,
no stigma. The credentials were an important factor, he said. The Norrad
colonel said bluntly to forget about it and to shut up. In the air
Force head a directive to handle the UFOs and the Bigfoot. That was directly
from Bill Wall saying that the Air Force head has a directive to handle the
UFOs and Bigfoot. So that was pretty fascinating. Also one of the things
I investigated and am still investigating, and I find fascinating are the two A
seven d aircraft that were scrambled out of Buckley Air Force Base on November eleventh,
nineteen seventy five. In doctor Leoh Sprinkle's notes, it says that these
two A seven d's were scrambled. The exact quote is that I also understand
that two National Guard interceptors were up and then it's redacted out and went down
while in pursuit of a UFO at night. Bill says, all of this
was a little unnerving. So I decided I was going to stop my own
inquiry. I was just going to quietly mind my own business. So I
was at a conference and talked to Richard Doty, who is kind of a
known in nineteen seventy seventy came in in the Air Force as a disinformation officer.
I asked him two questions. I asked him if he was aware of
the Rocky Mountain Ranch, which he said that he was, and then I
also asked him if he knew about these two A seventy's that crashed. And
he told me that if I wanted to, I could foia the Department of
the Air Force Mishaps office out of Kirkland Air Force Base in New Mexico,
which I did, and I received a big packet back. Now, of
course, like anything else, you get these big reports back and the good
juicy parts are redacted out with these big black boxes. But I found some
really interesting things in this report that I got back. One of the causes
of the crash. It says the instructor pilot misidentified the rotating beacon of another
aircraft as a students and hit the student's aircraft. Both aircraft went into a
spin, both pilots ejected. Both pilots survived, but they never identified this
other aircraft. Another interesting part of this report as it said after sunset the
Red Eye thirty two, the instructor noted that eight of his cockpit instrument lights
were inoperative, his airspeed, his vertical velocity, his radar altimeter, his
clock, his oil, his fuel quantity, fuel flow, and turbine outlets
all went out during this incident when he's in pursuit of this UFO, so
he's losing the ability to see a lot of his instrumentation. Another interesting thing
in the SPOYA report that I received is that there were two hundred and eighteen
live rounds of ammunition in the gun systems, which I found interesting. But
just recently, I was doing some research at David Marler's National UFO Historical Record
Center and I found a thirty two page report of an incident out of Falconbridge,
Ontario, Canada. And this happened on November eleventh, nineteen seventy five,
the exact same day as these two A seven d's were scrambled out of
Buckley in Colorado over Elbert County, over our Ranch in pursuit of a UFO,
and in Falconbridge. On November eleventh, nineteen seventy five, they're watching
multiple UAPs unidentified aircraft on radar for several hours. It's being witnessed by several
military ground crew on the ground is being witnessed by civilians, and so they
finally decide, you know, we're going to go ahead and scramble two f
one oh six delta darts out of Selfridge, Michigan, These objects that they
were watching on radar traveling thirty five nautical miles over the Great Lakes of Michigan.
So they scramble these. It makes a front page of the National Inquirer.
Air Force admits scrambling jets after unidentified UAPs, and David Marler he's like,
you know what, look in that file cabinet over there, I might
have that National Inquirer newspaper, and sure enough he did, so there's a
picture of me holding this article. The fact that they're scrambling four jets that
day in pursuit of UAPs is fascinating. But then there's more. Also on
November eleventh, nineteen seventy five, right after midnight the Verly Wee or early
mornings, guess what else is happening. Travis Walton is being returned in Snowflake,
Arizona, November eleventh, nineteen seventy five, right after midnight, So
that's going on the day before this is happening. Is when the Edmund Fitzgerald
sinks in the Great Lakes, and I believe there are twenty eight or twenty
nine crew members aboard the Edmund Fitzgerald that they never recovered. Now, in
researching this just a little bit, I did recently, I think just maybe
two years ago, three years ago now, they did finally recover one of
the men missing on the Edmund Fitzgerald. But the fact that all four of
these incidents are occurring within a twenty four hour per is really fascinating to me.
So I always like to say to the listeners out there, like history
and research is really important because it's never too late to make discoveries. Another
really interesting discovery I made about the Rocky Mountain Ranch. Back at this time,
I was a member of the Colorado Mouffon Group. I was actually the
guest speaker coordinator, so I was the one in charge of, you know,
finding speakers to come into our group for Colorado. And I came across
a gentleman by the name of Sean Bartalk. And Sean Bartok wrote a book
called Flashbacks, and the book is about his ranch and his property that he
owned and all the unusual things that happened there. I come to get to
know this gentleman, come to find out that his property was a mere fourteen
miles away from the Rocky Mountain Ranch. And as I'm sitting there in the
third row watching Sean Bartok's presentation, my jaw dropped to the floor because pops
two drawings of these et beings that they encountered at their property, a mere
fourteen miles away from the Rocky mount Ratch property. Now, I've never claimed
to see ets or anything like that on the ranch. However, many of
the adults at the time did claim to see extraterrestrial beings. In fact,
they claimed to have seen two different types, and they claimed that they were
in conflict with one another. There were these too b type ets. They
had wrinkles on their foreheads. They had these heavy brows, larger than our
eyes, but not the huge rop around eyes like you see in the grays.
They had wrinkles around their mouths. And they had these tubes that came
out in this helmet, these long spindly arms, these long spindily legs,
and there was a drying of these in doctor Leo Sprinkle's files, along with
the Sasquatch or bigfoot that was seen there as well, which my mother referred
to as white fuzzies because they had this gray hair and they weren't as thickly
haired as your traditional bigfoot creature. But anyway, so I'm sitting there watching
Sean Bartok's presentation and he has drawings of the et that they encountered also in
the seventies, and I have to tell you, if we were two witnesses
and like in a police office trying to like make a sketch of a burglar
or something, they were that close. I mean, the wrinkles on the
forehead, the heavy brows, the same eyes, the same wrinkles, and
the tubes were in the neck. But then Sean tells me that those tubes
come out, so they look like they have, you know, tubes coming
off their back, just like the picture from the Rocky Mountain Ranch and doctor
Sprinkle's files. They were almost identical. And in fact, he had two
sketches, one with the tubes out and one with the tubes in the neck,
and so I was just astonished that he had something so similar. So
it really makes me question the ET presence at this location. Also, there
was a sex type of ET supposedly seen at the Rocky Mountain Ranch, which
were the Nordic type, these blonde, blue eyed and in the Apple Report
it talks about these two different ets being in conflict with one another, and
through what I've kind of researched in one of my working theories, perhaps is
maybe they're in conflict within each other because to me, these two B guys
see more AI or robotic, and the Nordics seem more sentient and not robotics.
So I don't know if there's maybe a conflict about where we're headed as
you know a species with our new AI technologies and neurallink in that. So
it's just, you know, something that I think about often. In fact,
I was at a grocery store and came across the cover of a popular
science magazine and it was talking about, you know, the new artificial intelligence
or AI, and they have pictures of AI and they have these you know,
wires or mechanical things in the net that look like tubes, and it
made me think of these two B guys seen at the ranch. So that's
just another fascinating piece to this. There's so much more. The mutilations is
a whole other thing. And just recently I've done some interviews with ranch owners
that are having the mutilations you know are happening now. There was one just
in November of a prize bowl worth over five thousand dollars. And they checked
because they're they're prize winning bowls, they check them in the morning, in
the evening. She had just checked it in the morning, it was fine.
A few hours later in the afternoon that cattle had been mutilated with the
same you know, cauterized organs, removed, no blood at the scene,
no other animals approach it, that kind of thing. So these things are
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of this phenomenon at the Rocky Mountain Ranch, and there's a wonderful book that
you can find about it called the Choppers and the Choppers. But there were
so many incidents of these mystery helicopters, these blacked out helicopters, and they
were articles about these helicopters chasing people, chasing young girls. And when I
talked to Richard Doty about and I'm like, why would they do something like
that? What is this? And he said to me that it could possibly
be a diversion or a distraction in all the words, focus on these mystery
helicopters and don't focus on whatever's going on over there. So I thought that
was really interesting. But they did a study of these things, and there's
a great report about the distribution of these blackout military mystery helicopters. I don't
know if they're military or not. In fact, some of the pictures that
were captured of these mystery helicopters were actually Bell helicopters. They weren't necessarily military
helicopters. But they seem to be more prevalent in the months of August,
September, and October more so than let's say, in the summer months.
We're mostly seen on Mondays and Tuesdays, as compared to the weekends. They
also looked at do you see them more often in the day or the night,
So that's interesting. Ninety eight percent of them are seen in the evening.
And then they also were taking reports at how many were seen in these
different states throughout the Midwest. Colorado was hit the hardest by far, but
they were also seen in Illinois, Iowa, Kansas, Minnesota, Missouri,
Montana, Nebraska, Wyoming, Oklahoma, and so on. So there's just
so many different pieces of this phenomenon, different phenomenon that happened there to do
deep dives, and one article that I found that was really interesting is a
mysterious blanket of metal found in a field and there's a picture of this metal
and of course, in good old fashion, you know, this always seems
to happen. But I don't know where this metal went. I don't know
who has it, where it went. I would love to get my hands
on it. But from the photograph in this article, which by the way,
if you're interested, you can go to my website katiepage dot net and
that's k A T I E P A I G E dot net and a
lot of these articles from back of the day are in there, including this
one. It's titled Mysterious Blanket of Metal Found in Field and there's a picture
the rancher there with the metal that was found. A lot of those articles
are there and you're, you know, more than welcome. I put them
out there for everybody to see and share. So and then another piece of
the phenomenon that you know, I used to put everything in boxes. I
used to compartmentalize the paranormal and the UFOs in that box, and the Bigfoot
in this box, and so on and so forth. But thankfully there's a
wonderful book called Skinwalkers at the Pentagon again by Colin Kelly or her PhD and
George Knapp and also James Lakowski, and they talk about this hitchhiker phenomenon,
and the hitchhiker phenomena is something that attaches to you. And I've had this
with me my whole life, even back so, you know, back in
Illinois. I moved out to Colorado in nineteen seventy, but even in Illinois
in those early years, I felt something there. My grandfather actually had a
sighting over Lake Pomo in Wisconsin. He was in the Navy, and he
had a sighting up an oblong shape something over Lake Pomo that was investigated by
Jay Allen Heinik. My mom, my sister, and I had a sighting
of the same oblong shape craft in Richmond, Illinois. So this this phenomenon
seems to be and even within Mouflon, doing all the investigations I did with
Mouflon, they seem to run in families. I'm not sure why that is,
but it's just what the research is showing, and that is certainly true
in my case. But this hitchhiker phenomenon, you know, these encounters.
I had one incredible count encounter with a blue orb in my bedroom. It
only happened the one time, and ironically it was when I kind of first
started opening this Pandora's box of investigation where I started to really do a deep
dive on what happened to me as a young girl on that ranch and what
had happened, and thankfully I journaled about it. But I was married to
my ex husband at the time. I raised four boys and a daughter,
and my boys at the time were into building legos and I had a red
bucket of legos in my bedroom. The bucket of legos had fallen over in
my room and woke me up out of my sleep. And so I'm just
waking up, going, what the heck knocked over that bucket of legos?
And at that moment, I noticed the auto light in the house behind me
was turning on and off, and I look into the corner of my bedroom
and there was a basketball sized blue orb just hovering in my bedroom. And
I'm looking like at the smoke detector on the ceiling, I'm looking at the
cable box where my TV is, and I'm trying to like make heads or
tails of what I'm looking at. And I'm waking up my husband at the
time. I'm like, wake up, wake up, and he sees it
in the room, in the corner of the room, just hovering there,
and as he's focusing in on this blue orb, it just kind of imploded
on itself. It just wrote and vanished. And that's the one time I
had an encounter with this blue basketball sized orb. I have no idea what
it was. It seemed intelligent to me. But they do talk about these
blue orbs in the skinwalkers at the Pentagon, and I find that to be
an interesting phenomenon. So just recently I was asked to be a part of
Beyond Skinwalker on the History Channel and number one. I was very excited that,
you know, this ranch in the Rocky Mountain Ranch in Colorado was not
really well known. Skinwalker Ranch more well known than the Colorado Rocky Mountain Ranch.
I was happy that it got the attention that it I think deserves because
it was sort of the first really high strangeness ranch that was investigated through APRO.
But that first episode on Beyond Skinwalker was my first time meeting the new
owners of the ranch. They bought the ranch from our families, so they're
only the what fourth owners of the property through all the decades, and meeting
Greg and his wife Chris and their daughter Nicole. Seeing that on camera was
the first time I had stepped foot back on the ranch, and I really
didn't know what to expect or how I was going to feel. I had
a lot of there was a lot of anticipation to it because I had been
researching it now for ten years but have not stepped foot on it because I
didn't know what their new owners knew about the place, and I didn't want
to scare them. So what I had done is before COVID hit, I
left them a note in their box because it's a gated property, and I
left them a note explaining who I was and my connection to the ranch property.
And then COVID hit and I thought, well, I don't want to
just call them on the cell phone and tell them all these scary things about
where they live. So I was going to meet them for lunch or something
after COVID, and at that point I get a call from the History Channel
saying they had heard of the property. I actually contacted the owners and they
agreed to be part of it and to meet me. So when I met
them for the very first time and told them about the history of that location,
was with cameras rolling with Beyond Skinwalker. So that was a really fascinating
experience for me, and really in the radio experiment they did and me trying
to contact whatever's there at the ranch was just shocking to me that I got
a response when nobody else did. Kind of scary at the same time,
but what I found was that little girl that was really scared all those years
ago, dealing with the shadow figures and the paranormal things and that kind of
thing. I felt kind of empowered being back there, and I really wasn't
expecting that. I felt like, you know what, I'm grown up now,
You're not going to scare me anymore. Whatever's here, I want to
know who or what or why what is it? And I'm still really on
that quest to this day is to just find these answers. Much of it
as military, even that disembodied electrical voice. There's something called plasma ball technology
that the military has been you know, researching and studying and experimenting for some
time now, and perhaps even as you know, laid as the mid seventies,
where they can project a human voice and it does sort of sound electronic
sound. It's sort of like the voice I heard on the ranch. So
you don't have to put troops in harm's way. You can project a human
voice out and it sounds like they're right there in the room with you.
Were they experimenting with plaza ball technology back on the ranch. Were they experimenting
with MK ultra type of things on the ranch? I think that's highly probable,
maybe even laser technologies there. So I guess I would like to conclude
that what my research is showing me is that both things are happening simultaneously at
this property. I do believe there's a hits Higer phenomenon, true paranormal activity
that happen thans there. I experience it both here at my home where I
am now, and at the ranch and really anywhere I go, unusual paranorl
type of things happen. But I also believe there's a military presence that was
there and possibly still monitoring that area and other locations of high strangeness. I
also believe that there's a geographical connection to this, both aquifers underground, the
water element, a geological element with certain you know, crystals, limestone,
certain minerals that are in the area, as well as just a history of
course of the Native American history, the Ute, the Cheyenne, the Rappaho,
the Commanche, the Pawnee, all of these things, all of these
people and the history of the land itself is very fascinating and can seem very
haunting at times. Also that also in Elbert County, Colorado, we have
the Palmer Divide and there is some geological anomalies just in the Palmer Divide itself.
So I think these all play a role, and the high magnetism.
A lot of these areas of high strangers like the Rocky Mountain Ranch, the
Skinwalker Ranch, blind Frog Ranch, and the ranch in Arizona. They all
are highly magnetic areas, so the magnetism also plays a role. The water,
the geologics, the high magnetism, I think amplifies these strange phenomena that
are happening at these high strangers locations. So that's really the just of the
stories and what my research is about, and I continue to research the phenomenon.
I started a new foundation called the Rocky Mountain Ranch Research Foundation. You
can find it at Rockymountain Ranchresearch dot net, dot org or dot com.
And again, Katie Paget, if you want to find more information about what
we're doing. And I'm just out there on location, just digging for answers
and doing interviews and trying to gather as much information about this location as well
as other locations as possible to try and find the connections and the commonalities to
try and figure out this multi layered puzzle of mystery and intrigue. Wonderful stuff.
Katie, you could probably hear the rain in the background. The clouds
have just opened up, and now we got a monsoon outside, so hopefully
I won't be washed away. Well, I hope not, and I didn't
say there. Most recently, I just did an interview with a firefighter,
very credible witness, who is an elk hunter. I do believe there's an
elk component to this. It was like the Carl Higden case in nineteen seventy
four and Wyoming the elk hunter who it's a really interesting case. If you
haven't heard of it, I recommend you look that up and read it.
It's really interesting. But he was at there elk hunting. It was dusk
and he's walking back to his pickup truck in Elbert County. This was just
last let's see, this was November of twenty twenty one, and he sees
four to five feet or sixty eight feet off the ground, an orange glow,
and he sees a four to five foot in diameter, very metallic,
very shiny. It was like he described it as two bunt cake pans on
top of each other. The top was spinning counterclockwise, the bottom was spinning
clockwise. It looked like it had a gear and it made no sound.
He turned away, looked back, and the thing just vanished. So just
last week he walked me back to where this was very very unusual sighting and
I will be sharing that on my Rocky Mountain Ranch Research YouTube channel, his
encounter live on the spot where that happened. So things are still happening out
there. It's very mysterious. Hey, no, sounds fascinating. I mean,
you have these high strangeness locations, you know, not just in the
US, but around the world, and you hear these accounts of UFOs and
Calmu relations and Bigfoot sightings, and you've done so much research into the previous
owners, and then you've gone back into the previous that would have been the
Native Americans, and you often find this where these locations, it's not just
a recent thing. You have a military presence yet, and people can easily
blame the military for their black budget and projects that they quite evidently have worked
on, if not still do. But these accounts they go back not just
decades, but literally centuries, right, I agree, And you know that's
what the research shows. I mean with the Mulligans and neighbors for years.
I mean, there was a story about the land before my mom's boyfriend at
the time bought it, and that land sat vacant for over ten years.
If the military wanted to acquire it. They could have just purchased a land,
but they did not, And there were rumors about that land. It
sits at the highest elevation in the county or in Kiowa, in the little
town of Kiowa, but they said that there would They seen lights flying off
and on that property for years, and there was even a story of a
vanishing house with just the foundation was left there and the people that left in
such a hurry that left most of their stuff there. Even the keys to
a pickup truck was still in the ignition when they bought the ranch. So,
I mean, that's kind of crazy just in of itself, like what
was going on with that, you know, I mean, it just goes
on and on and on and talking with you know, other ranch hands.
They just did a really cool interview with a gentleman named Carl who had multiple
mutilations on his property. And he's in his nineties now, but he's a
very religious, spiritual man, so he doesn't like to speculate on you know,
UFOs or aliens mutilating his cattle. His working theory was these were all,
you know, veterans from the Vietnam War and they had nothing better to
do. But play around in helicopters and mutilate people's cattle, which is just
absurd. But if you get him off the record where you're not recording him,
he's like, yeah, no, there's something much more nefarious and strange
going on than that, you know. So it's kind of that kind of
thing when you're dealing with small town you know, people in ranchers, they're
very private people. They don't like the attention. It's been going on for
decades now, so they don't really report them anymore because they write them off
on their taxes and they kind of keep it hush hush. So it's really
a matter of getting into these small towns and getting to know the people that
live there so they feel like they have a safe place where they can report
these strange things that are happening, because there's a lot of just strange,
mysterious things, and I think it's nice to I'm finally getting to know some
of these local people and it's really nice to gain some trust. And of
course I always keep my witnesses names confidential if that's what they wish, you
know, and a lot of them do because they have jobs and they don't
want to be made fun of or anything like that. But you know,
I think it's important that when something does happen that people have a place to
go report it too. Yeah, that is important. Like you said,
the last thing they really want is people trumps around on their property, the
news people from the big cities coming down and causing the problem in the small
towns, right right, So yeah, so it's important to connect with people
on a personal level. I think you will certainly find more information that way.
The last thing they want to do is be exposed. Yeah, for
sure. And you know, I think for me personally, you know,
people will sometimes ask do you think you were abducted? And I, as
a researcher and an investigator, I like having that hat on more. I
don't know the answer to that. Doctor Leo Sprinkle did put me under hypnosis
for an hour and a half. What came out of that was very interesting
to me. The first part, the first fifteen to twenty minutes of that
hypnosis session. It was like the little girl Katie that was told never to
talk about it had to find her courage in her voice to even talk about
what happened. And just from a psychological standpoint, that made a lot of
sense to me that I had to do that or work through that through the
hypnosis, and once I got past that barrier of being afraid to talk about
it, some interesting things came out. Now I don't know if I necessarily
believe I don't, you know. I think hypnosis is a good tool,
but I don't like to be known as an abductee or a contacte or anything
like that, just because I'm not sure about it myself. I don't know
what to think about it. I can say in the three and a half
years I researched my book Letters of Love and Light, which I wrote.
It's basically doctor Leo Sprinkle's forty years of research. And what I did was
I went back every month to the archive. I would pull boxes of his
correspondents from people from around the world, and I took pictures of hundreds and
hundreds of letters that people wrote to doctor Sprinkle, and I would go back
home and read the letters, pull out the really interesting parts of the letters,
and then I organized them into chapters. So I have like et and
craft descriptions, letters from children, all of doctor Leo's correspondence and letters back
to people, which was fascinating because I got to see his forty years of
thought, you know, even letters from Phil Class, the Debunkers, letters
from Lynda, Milton Howe and his contemporaries. So I had letters about hypnosis.
But one of the chapters is called was this a Dream or a Memory?
So basically dreams or memories, And so many people wrote to doctor Leo
Sprinkle about that very thing, Like the one dream I had seemed so vivid
and so real, and oftentimes they were dreams of being abducted or taking a
book to craft, and it was just a very common theme. And I
thought, how interesting, you know, and I think hypnosis helps bring those
memories out. Yeah. Absolutely, it's a great tool. I'm not going
to deny. And it's one of those things where it's it's very split down
the middle. Some people happy to go with it, other people's like,
know too, it's too suggestible. Yeah, it is a great tool,
nonetheless, to maybe give you a little bit more insight. Yeah, if
you have the right hypnotherapist. I mean you have to be very well trained
to do that. You can't, you know, ask leading questions and so
on and so forth. I mean it's one thing to say, you know,
notice the shoes you're wearing, or notice the smells or your five senses
are great triggers for memory, and he was really good about doing things like
that, do you smell anything, you know? What are you wearing?
What does a carpet look like? Do you you know? Those kind of
things. But again, like you said, I think it's a good tool,
but I wouldn't trust it one hundred percent because at the end of the
day, you know, our brains like to fill in gaps and we have
very good imaginations. So it's one of those things that I just keep in
the question mark box like maybe maybe I don't know exactly. Yeah, in
this subject, we have all these counts and stories. It doesn't necessarily mean
something is true. We have to be critical, you know that. The
important the main thing is to look at finding an explanation first before we run
off the deep end and go it's aliens as aliens, because not everything is
right. I agree, And even at Contact in the Desert and I like
Craig Compabaso, and he just put together a wonderful new film and he premiered
it at Contact in the Desert and so you know, I was watching it's
really well made. It's really entertaining. It captivated me. But the problem
I have is, you know, he goes through all the species and what
their motives are, and so he'll like he these are the Palladians, and
this is what they're about, and this is what and these are the Actorians
and these are the grays and these are well how do we know this?
I mean, I just I think that's where things get a little iffy for
me, because I mean, I know people claim to channel these things or
get information through downloads or hypnosis or whatnot. But at the end of the
day, I have to question all of that, and I even question the
things on the ranch. You know, is it all military? I don't
know the answers to that. I think, like I said on the here,
I think it's both. I think both things are happening at the same
time. I also think there's a big consciousness piece to all this. I
think we participate in the phenomenon. That's what I'm learning. I think belief
and expectations and our consciousness can create the phenomenon. Also on this show,
we have accounts from the full spectrun that we have paranormal we have UFO signs,
abductions, signs of cryptids, body experiences, near death experiences, time
warp, you name it. We've had on this show simply because I believe
a lot of it is all connected. Can't put say this in a box,
that in a box, because I simply believe it to be all connected.
And in these locations, this Rocky Mountain Ranch in particular, it seems
you had everything going on in that ranch. Yeah. I didn't even mention
for beyond Skinwalker season one, and they're going to bring them back for season
two. It's just an actual If you go to historychannel dot com and you
look for the added clips, it's like extra bonus footage. They did the
biggest remote view in the history of the country at Rocky Mountain Ranch. They
brought in David Moorehouse who was a remote viewer, and you should get him
on a show and talk about the remote view at Rocky Mountain Ranch once he
can talk about it after this episode airs. But they did the biggest remote
view in the history of the country there with over seventy remote viewers from six
different countries, with over seven thousand data points of information that came in.
It was so overwhelming for the history Channel and beyond Skinwalker, they didn't know
what to do with it, but he basically what his remote viewers showed for
mountain ranches. It's like it's a super highway, like a vortex of activities
and they when David Morehouse did a two hour debrief with the on Skinwalker and
myself for the episode, my jaw was on the floor because everything that we
experience, everything that was in that Apple report, these remote viewers were picking
up on from the boxes, to the sounds, to the hums, to
the military presence, to these et beings, a different craft, you name
it, it was there. And he went through the protocols that these remote
viewers go through. And I mean there was a part of me that was
like, wait a minute, was this like set up or But I can
tell you that it wasn't. I know, David Morehouse would not do that,
and he puts so much work and effort into that project that there was
no way that was done. But you can, if you ever get time,
you can look at a show called Through a Glass Darkly, and if
you search through Glass Darkly doctor David Morehouse Rocky Mountain Ranch, there's three hours,
so it's like two for six hours of what the remote viewers found on
Rocky Mountain Ranch. I look for that and we put a link of that
in the description as Yeah, I will put all your links to there so
people can check you out. Katie. Oh, I appreciate it because you're
working very hard on this. Yeah, thank you. So Steff's still happening
out there, And like I said, that's what I'm doing with the Rocky
Mountain Ranch now and getting out there, interviewing these guys, getting them on
camera, putting together these shows and hopefully people will find it interesting. I
figure if I do, they must, so you know, it's sort of
like taking them on the journey with me, Like, you know, I
think it's time to do that, sort of doing a one woman show.
I want to take everybody along for the ride and share everything I find.
So I appreciate you having me on Wonderful. That's great because people have so
much interesting subject and people do like to follow along and hear more. But
you're actually taking people with you on this journey. Yeah, that's the intention
anyway. So I wanted to also say, James Keenan, you know people
will ask like, why do you think the phenomenon ebbs and flows in these
areas, and he kind of links it to maybe the solar cycles. So
when we're getting magnetic storms and they're higher, the activity seems to increase,
which would kind of go hand in hand with the aquifers, the high magnetism
areas, and the solar flare. So it seems magnetism has something to do
with all this. I don't know if it opens portals or gateways or just
makes us more in tune to it and able to connect with it, but
that's something that I've been looking at lately. And the other the piece before
I get off here. A lot of these experiences and people that have this
hitchhiker phenomenon, interestingly enough, have a lot of trauma in their backgrounds or
what we call disassociation, whether it's through near death experience, through trauma,
through meditation. But there's some excellent studies even back to the days of Freud,
where they were looking at disassociation and people with paranormal or extra trestrial woo
woo kind of things happening in their lives, and there's a correlation between the
two, which is a consciousness piece. So that also fascinates me. You
look at the Earth, and you have all these high strangeness active areas that
weren't around the world that do go back hundreds and hundreds of years, the
minerals, the ground, it all seems to have an effect. And then
when you're talking about the solar activity, it's good that you know you're really
looking into that side of things. Yeah, right, yeah, I think
that's an important piece to it. I mean, we are all just energy,
and so somehow we're connected to all of it. And I think it's
fantastic that you're connecting all of those different boxes and you're not focusing on one
or the other like a lot of these shows do, because it is all
interconnected. So anyway, well, thanks for having me on and have a
fabulous day, Katie. I really appreciate you coming on, sharing it all
for our listeners. All right, thank you so much. Keeping contact and
I will speak to you, so okay, we'll do Boye bye bye now,
Katie, all right, boyebye. Well that's all for this episode.
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