1 00:00:26,600 --> 00:00:29,960 Hello, and welcome to the show on Martin willis your host, and another 2 00:00:29,960 --> 00:00:35,200 great show for you this evening. I'm very excited to talk to ron Ronnie 3 00:00:35,200 --> 00:00:41,039 Ferney. He is a Brazilian ufologist. He has looked and spoken to people 4 00:00:41,560 --> 00:00:46,840 and Peru with all that weird stuff going on that you've seen in the news 5 00:00:46,880 --> 00:00:52,280 out there, there's a lot of strange things happening and the answers I think 6 00:00:52,320 --> 00:01:02,039 are pretty strange that gold illegal gold miners would use jetpacks to search out prospective 7 00:01:02,560 --> 00:01:04,599 areas to mine and you know, instead of drones and things like that. 8 00:01:04,719 --> 00:01:15,040 So there's strange answers from the authorities there and many very scared villagers and he's 9 00:01:15,079 --> 00:01:21,000 talked to some of them. Also, some similar things happened in the Brazil 10 00:01:21,680 --> 00:01:25,519 part of the Amazon, and he's going to be talking about that as well, 11 00:01:25,519 --> 00:01:30,239 looking into all of these type of cases. So that'll be coming up 12 00:01:30,280 --> 00:01:33,840 in just a minute. Here a couple of things the blog this week is 13 00:01:33,920 --> 00:01:38,959 Part three is an eighteen sixty eight UFO incident at my Not Air Force Base 14 00:01:40,280 --> 00:01:44,200 by Charles Lee or those who have turned into audio blogs here on the channel 15 00:01:44,239 --> 00:01:48,319 and speaking of here on the channel. Crossfire this week I'm going to be 16 00:01:48,359 --> 00:01:52,760 hosting the Crossfire this time. Kevin Randall's a guest host. We're going to 17 00:01:52,760 --> 00:01:59,439 be talking about aa RO and kirk Patrick and by the way, Kurt Sean 18 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:07,519 Doctor Sean Kirkpatrick is going to be alive with a virtual situation washing GC tomorrow. 19 00:02:07,519 --> 00:02:08,639 I'm not sure exactly where it's going to be held, but I am 20 00:02:08,680 --> 00:02:14,000 signed up for it. I'm going to watch that and you're able to supposedly 21 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:17,639 you're able to post questions that he may or may not get a chance to 22 00:02:17,719 --> 00:02:23,280 answer. So that I don't know exactly where to tell you. I know 23 00:02:23,319 --> 00:02:28,599 it's the Hayden Center. You can google it and I will try to put 24 00:02:28,639 --> 00:02:31,199 something in the show notes once I find out more information, because I don't 25 00:02:31,199 --> 00:02:36,240 even know what time it is. I think it might be four pm Eastern 26 00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:39,560 time tomorrow, but I'm not positive about that. So yeah, So that's 27 00:02:39,599 --> 00:02:44,919 Crossfire this week. That's Thursday night at eight to ten again. I'm going 28 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:49,759 to be hosting that or whatever you want to I'm going to be leading that, 29 00:02:50,159 --> 00:02:53,000 administering it, whatever you want to call it. So I think that's 30 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:57,479 it. I want to thank everyone that supports the show and everyone that listens, 31 00:02:57,719 --> 00:03:01,439 and we will be bringing the guest. All right now, Ronnie, 32 00:03:01,439 --> 00:03:07,879 welcome to the show. Hello, good night for everyone, Good night Marching. 33 00:03:07,960 --> 00:03:12,479 Thank you for the invitation. Yes, I'm watching right now and after 34 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:16,360 we enjoy it. That's right, and we're we're you were right in Rio 35 00:03:16,439 --> 00:03:23,039 de Janeiro, right, yes, yeah, so that's I was surprised when 36 00:03:23,120 --> 00:03:25,680 you told me we're only in like an hour difference in time. Our time 37 00:03:25,759 --> 00:03:29,919 zones really close, right, two hours, two hours, two hours? 38 00:03:30,080 --> 00:03:32,680 Yeah, yeah, it's like nine pm right now here. Uh huh, 39 00:03:32,759 --> 00:03:36,879 yeah, that's that's something. I don't know why I thought it was such 40 00:03:36,879 --> 00:03:39,960 a big time difference, but glad anyway that I've had a lot of times 41 00:03:39,960 --> 00:03:44,400 where I've had people and coming on the show and we get the time mixed 42 00:03:44,479 --> 00:03:47,879 up. But it usually has to do with we have the daylight savings time 43 00:03:49,080 --> 00:03:53,840 changes here and they get all mixed up and then they never show up or 44 00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:57,560 or they're there an hour early or something like that. But anyway, so 45 00:03:58,479 --> 00:04:04,240 can you please give your background what steered you to the interest of euthology to 46 00:04:04,280 --> 00:04:11,599 begin with. Yeah, I'm not originally a UFO guide. I'm electronic and 47 00:04:11,639 --> 00:04:17,879 computer engineer here in Brazil. I currently I'm doing my master research in physics 48 00:04:18,600 --> 00:04:25,120 in the area of artificial intelligence applied to experimental physics, more particularly to cosmic 49 00:04:25,240 --> 00:04:30,879 raise and high energy physics. And I'm also a long time employee from federal 50 00:04:30,920 --> 00:04:34,839 government. I work for more than ten years at the Department of Energy here 51 00:04:34,879 --> 00:04:42,519 in Brazil, more specifically in the area of petroleum biofuels and also in the 52 00:04:42,560 --> 00:04:46,920 area of technology, where I manage the department there for logistics. So I 53 00:04:46,959 --> 00:04:54,199 started with the UFO stuff in twenty twenty in the middle of the Pandemics. 54 00:04:56,000 --> 00:05:02,199 Since in fact, since twenty eighteen, I was visiting a hotspot in Brazil 55 00:05:02,439 --> 00:05:11,680 doing some not a research but some local observations of phenomenas there. I got 56 00:05:11,720 --> 00:05:15,759 really impressive about these hotpots located here in Rio de Janeiro, stated I live, 57 00:05:15,839 --> 00:05:25,160 but in a remote area, more rural area around of mountains and rivers 58 00:05:25,240 --> 00:05:30,839 and all these preserved ecosystems. And since that time where I did this observation, 59 00:05:30,959 --> 00:05:36,000 I started to be very curious, very interested to study more and more. 60 00:05:36,240 --> 00:05:41,800 And as I said, in twenty twenty, I started feeling some requests 61 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:47,519 for Brazilian information Freedom of Information Act, and it was very successful to bring 62 00:05:47,560 --> 00:05:51,800 a lot of documents and videos from cases the Amazon case that we are seeing 63 00:05:51,839 --> 00:05:58,079 today, for example in Peru and also in Brazil, and that time we're 64 00:05:58,120 --> 00:06:02,160 talking about cases about almost ten years ago. In these cases are happening, 65 00:06:02,199 --> 00:06:08,600 happening, happening in waves as we would discussed today. So this is where 66 00:06:08,639 --> 00:06:14,800 everything started. I see, great, Well, yes, so when I 67 00:06:14,879 --> 00:06:20,360 started hearing about this happening in Peru, you know, I was contacted by 68 00:06:20,399 --> 00:06:24,759 a lot of different people about it, you know, mostly listeners, but 69 00:06:24,800 --> 00:06:30,399 they're all paying attention to it. But they're sending me the strange things that 70 00:06:30,439 --> 00:06:34,160 they're sending me is that, you know, there's jet packs, and to 71 00:06:34,240 --> 00:06:38,800 be right off the bat, you know, when a jetpack costs you know, 72 00:06:39,079 --> 00:06:42,680 a quarter of a million dollars up to you know, close to half 73 00:06:42,720 --> 00:06:46,519 a million dollars to buy a jet pack, it just doesn't seem like you'd 74 00:06:46,560 --> 00:06:53,040 have a bunch of them flying around trying to scare villagers. So, first 75 00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:58,639 of all, what did you think when you started hearing the answers like this, 76 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:00,439 the jet packs and all that, and for what was going on? 77 00:07:01,360 --> 00:07:06,199 Yeah, we need to remember that in July to August, the case is 78 00:07:06,199 --> 00:07:13,439 started near Iquitos, which now as the capital of the Amazon in Peru. 79 00:07:13,720 --> 00:07:17,480 And we have this little village called San Antonio de Pintuaco, which is a 80 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:25,120 village that we believe that leaves the Iqui to people. That's the name of 81 00:07:25,160 --> 00:07:30,800 the chinks of these people. And at that community specifically, we have a 82 00:07:30,920 --> 00:07:41,199 case involving a girl fifteen years girl called Talia, and this girl was alleged 83 00:07:41,800 --> 00:07:49,959 encounter two beings that could fly using technological devices and they cut her superficial cutter 84 00:07:50,319 --> 00:08:00,319 in her neck. And after that case, immediately after that case, the 85 00:08:00,319 --> 00:08:05,959 the federal police from Peru went there to investigate. The Peru and Navy also 86 00:08:05,040 --> 00:08:11,879 did some research about that, but was not went went physically to go there 87 00:08:11,879 --> 00:08:16,480 on the police and all happened because of this case. But we need to 88 00:08:16,519 --> 00:08:22,959 remember that since June, these cases we are happening more far more south of 89 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:28,920 Peru in near Pukaupa, near Contamana and other places, and the cases started 90 00:08:28,959 --> 00:08:31,879 to move more to north in Iquitos by this case with Talia, the girl 91 00:08:31,960 --> 00:08:37,279 Talia happened and right after the vista, during the visita, I don't know 92 00:08:37,399 --> 00:08:41,720 read the right time frame the people or the police or the people from the 93 00:08:41,759 --> 00:08:48,320 community. We don't know with a lot of certainty, but they asked Talia, 94 00:08:48,440 --> 00:08:54,320 the girl, to hold the phone, and this phone he had a 95 00:08:54,360 --> 00:09:03,240 Google image picture of a French guy inventor flying by using jet jetpagh. So 96 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:07,720 this was very good to media, This was very good to the Peruvian government 97 00:09:07,759 --> 00:09:13,879 that immediately after that photo went online in the portals they said, okay, 98 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:18,879 these are just illegal miners using jet packs. But we need to remember, 99 00:09:18,879 --> 00:09:22,960 as you said, this specifical guy. And people said, oh, this 100 00:09:24,120 --> 00:09:28,080 is the guy that was floating in that community. No, it's not right, 101 00:09:28,159 --> 00:09:31,039 this guy was was just inventor. It's just a picture from Google. 102 00:09:31,559 --> 00:09:37,320 And this started a wave of stories about that that ninety percent been true. 103 00:09:37,759 --> 00:09:41,480 And as you said, these devices are very very expensive. This specific device, 104 00:09:43,320 --> 00:09:46,399 I think was it's not too parisonal. We have another kind of devices, 105 00:09:46,840 --> 00:09:52,000 and these devices have different characteristics. For example, a lot of noise 106 00:09:52,480 --> 00:09:58,399 because they are based in compressive air, so uh, which is different what 107 00:09:58,480 --> 00:10:03,639 people are say seeing that there are almost most all the time noiseless devices that 108 00:10:03,720 --> 00:10:09,240 they are seeing in the in the jungle. And besides, a jet pack 109 00:10:09,960 --> 00:10:15,759 is something that as far as I remember, they only last something like twelve 110 00:10:15,799 --> 00:10:18,799 minutes at best, right, I mean they run out of fuel. They 111 00:10:18,799 --> 00:10:24,320 can't that's the main problem the jet packs. They can't carry enough fuel to 112 00:10:24,840 --> 00:10:28,840 you know, be you know, really functional for very long. So it 113 00:10:30,039 --> 00:10:33,960 just doesn't make any sense. And I had no idea that they were taking 114 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:37,759 pictures from Google and all that, but people were talking about them like these 115 00:10:37,879 --> 00:10:43,720 things floating just a few inches off the ground too, right, yes, 116 00:10:45,519 --> 00:10:48,639 no, no, just a few it's almost most of the time they are 117 00:10:48,679 --> 00:10:52,799 flying like three feet from the ground or two feet from the ground. But 118 00:10:54,240 --> 00:10:58,840 they also saw these beings, these floating beings, like in altitudes, like 119 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:07,559 converting is like twenty twenty feet high, which is it's a lot of high 120 00:11:07,600 --> 00:11:13,480 to advice like a jatback or something like that. So there are different descriptions 121 00:11:13,519 --> 00:11:18,200 of altitudes, but not as high as twenty feet I would imagine by the 122 00:11:18,679 --> 00:11:26,720 testimonies of these people. And then there are people describing them as like seven 123 00:11:26,759 --> 00:11:31,039 foot tall. What are some other things that people are describing And you have 124 00:11:31,200 --> 00:11:37,080 spoken directly to some people at these villages, right, yeah, I'm talking 125 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:46,120 mostly with professor teachers, school teachers of these village to get more information since 126 00:11:46,519 --> 00:11:50,919 the end of August. I'm in contact with them. I gave some context 127 00:11:50,960 --> 00:11:58,480 to Timotoberino, who visited the specific community of the growth Aliah with the Santano 128 00:11:58,840 --> 00:12:05,080 Tinto Yaku and the Timis. Visit gave us a better description of what people 129 00:12:05,080 --> 00:12:11,879 are seeing and confirmed the older the previous descriptions that we saw in the middle 130 00:12:11,919 --> 00:12:18,480 and that we then that they personally obtained from them. And they just describe 131 00:12:18,519 --> 00:12:28,759 these beings as style as three to six six converting because of converting units to 132 00:12:28,879 --> 00:12:39,679 to USU leaders, it's like the seven feet in meters like two and a 133 00:12:39,759 --> 00:12:45,440 half meters, right, two and a half meters, they reach almost two 134 00:12:45,480 --> 00:12:50,879 and seventy this is what they are describing. Some described like two and twenty 135 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:56,120 meters, so this is what they're big, big, big guys. So 136 00:12:56,360 --> 00:13:01,720 these are the descriptions about the size of them. They are all armored in 137 00:13:01,799 --> 00:13:07,440 a black suit like a strong like a robot. They described like a robot 138 00:13:07,519 --> 00:13:13,559 or like an astronaut. In Brazil, for example, people describe it then 139 00:13:13,639 --> 00:13:20,480 as the iron Man armor to describe it like a strong armor. Sometimes they 140 00:13:20,519 --> 00:13:28,000 describe something in the back like a huge like what the astronauts have to hold 141 00:13:28,039 --> 00:13:35,159 the equipment and also a helmet to cover in their face, a big helmet, 142 00:13:35,200 --> 00:13:43,279 I elongated head and the eyes are luminous yellow. In most sightings, 143 00:13:43,840 --> 00:13:46,799 this is the description that they are talking and about the devices. The most 144 00:13:48,360 --> 00:13:58,279 descriptions accounts of circular boots or circular platforms with different from all the device that 145 00:13:58,360 --> 00:14:03,399 we know as at pecks, and with these devices, these guys are able 146 00:14:03,440 --> 00:14:09,960 to lift in what we are talking like one meter to six meters in height 147 00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:15,720 from the ground. So these are the but we have also descriptions of like 148 00:14:15,840 --> 00:14:22,519 overbards as long as fifteen feet h and also vehicles carrying two people inside. 149 00:14:24,279 --> 00:14:28,960 And these vehicles carrying two people inside is the most described along the history in 150 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:35,639 Brazil from seventeenes to nowadays, we have a lot of descriptions of these crafts 151 00:14:35,679 --> 00:14:43,080 holding accommodating two people. This is the resume of what people are seeing there 152 00:14:43,960 --> 00:14:48,519 when they say, when you say a vehicle holding two people's two people? 153 00:14:48,639 --> 00:14:54,120 What type of description in shape do they say? And do they actually see 154 00:14:54,120 --> 00:14:58,720 the people on the outside of whatever this craft is? And you know, 155 00:14:58,720 --> 00:15:01,120 I'm just trying to figure out how they under stand there's two people or two 156 00:15:01,360 --> 00:15:07,480 beings or whatever in these craft and what they look like. In Brazil, 157 00:15:07,519 --> 00:15:11,799 it's more common to have previous cases in Brazil. In Amazon it's more common 158 00:15:11,840 --> 00:15:18,559 to have cylinder shaped objects, a vertical cylinder, vertical orientation with two people 159 00:15:18,600 --> 00:15:24,360 inside. We have also drownings from the air force of this vehicle, and 160 00:15:24,559 --> 00:15:28,759 this vehicle was responsible in Brazil for the attacks with laser beings on people causing 161 00:15:28,759 --> 00:15:33,360 physiological effects, and so that was very a lot. Visgetted a lot by 162 00:15:33,399 --> 00:15:39,960 Brazilian air force. But in Peru they are describing something like a corn shaped 163 00:15:41,000 --> 00:15:46,679 object, something something different from the cases in Brazil, carrying also two people 164 00:15:46,720 --> 00:15:52,759 inside. And in Brazil also five years ago, we have also descriptions of 165 00:15:52,840 --> 00:15:58,320 cylinders. So depending on the region, depending of the time, we have 166 00:15:58,759 --> 00:16:04,720 different descriptions of the shape of these objects. But what's what is similar between 167 00:16:04,759 --> 00:16:11,840 these sightings of vehicles are that they are carrying two people and people can see 168 00:16:11,879 --> 00:16:18,279 these beings because these vehicles are almost translucent or transparent like a big window, 169 00:16:18,360 --> 00:16:22,559 like a panoramic window. So this is the reason that they could see these 170 00:16:22,559 --> 00:16:29,080 two beings wow. And that's so that's what they were seeing. In Brazil, 171 00:16:29,600 --> 00:16:34,639 they haven't seen. But when you say that they've seen these smelmost like 172 00:16:34,679 --> 00:16:40,759 hoverboards or something like that, is that is that also something that's transparent that 173 00:16:40,879 --> 00:16:45,480 they're seeing the beans through. Now when you say this platforms, these are 174 00:16:45,559 --> 00:16:51,440 boots that are attached to the boots of the beings that they could fly as 175 00:16:51,519 --> 00:16:56,080 far it's like some proportion from this individual. When you say harverboarts, this 176 00:16:56,480 --> 00:17:00,960 could be as big as fifteen feet that could carry two guys inside, uh, 177 00:17:02,159 --> 00:17:07,039 standing in this hover but like a surfboard, a floating surfboard or something 178 00:17:07,119 --> 00:17:11,480 like that. Uh. And we have also these vehicles that car that are 179 00:17:11,799 --> 00:17:18,920 almost like big drones in different shapes carrying this being. So have these three 180 00:17:18,039 --> 00:17:26,480 different uh classifications of things that people are seeing in peruven Amazon and also something 181 00:17:26,559 --> 00:17:30,680 like that in Brazil. Now, I know, I know this all this 182 00:17:30,720 --> 00:17:34,119 all does sound crazy, It really does, but there are so many people 183 00:17:34,240 --> 00:17:40,839 reporting this, these villagers, and one one of the things I have to 184 00:17:40,880 --> 00:17:48,359 say when I watched any of these videos is you can't fake the fact that 185 00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:53,839 they are absolutely terrified. They are just really really scared. And that's you 186 00:17:53,880 --> 00:18:00,359 know, there's you know, some people, the skeptical people, and I 187 00:18:00,359 --> 00:18:04,039 think a case like all this should be looked at with skepticism. But they're 188 00:18:04,079 --> 00:18:08,400 saying that, you know, it's mass hysteria, you know, and that's 189 00:18:08,559 --> 00:18:12,119 that's what this is all about and all that. But I mean, this 190 00:18:12,200 --> 00:18:18,799 is an ongoing thing and there has been some shooting at them, and they're 191 00:18:18,839 --> 00:18:23,799 saying that they don't well if they have like body armor or whatever, that's 192 00:18:25,119 --> 00:18:29,480 you know, I guess they're not. When they're shot at, nothing happens, 193 00:18:29,559 --> 00:18:36,079 right, Yeah, they described they get close to these beings and they 194 00:18:36,039 --> 00:18:41,839 immediately shot with These guy's carry shot guns because it's the measure to protect them 195 00:18:41,880 --> 00:18:47,400 since they don't have police, they don't have nothing governmental to protect them closer 196 00:18:47,440 --> 00:18:51,960 to these villages, so they carried shot guns. And people that said, 197 00:18:52,160 --> 00:18:56,480 many people in many communities say that het and the bullets of shot guns in 198 00:18:56,519 --> 00:19:00,480 these beings because they saw when they hit, they saw like a flash of 199 00:19:00,559 --> 00:19:06,799 light or something in fact like that. And this in many ways disturbed these 200 00:19:06,799 --> 00:19:11,680 beings because they continue to float to fly on their path. So the interpretation 201 00:19:11,799 --> 00:19:18,200 of them is that the heat didn't affect or causing any damage for them. 202 00:19:18,279 --> 00:19:26,359 And what about has anyone claimed that they've seen like any big craft with you 203 00:19:26,359 --> 00:19:30,880 know, like do I want to say mothership or something like all these things 204 00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:37,119 have have come in together or I mean, are people talking about those type 205 00:19:37,119 --> 00:19:41,119 of things too? No, in this case is in Amazon, these recent 206 00:19:41,200 --> 00:19:48,200 cases right now or for example five to ten years ago in Peruin, Brazil, 207 00:19:48,279 --> 00:19:52,759 we don't have any case that I remember of big ships. We have 208 00:19:53,799 --> 00:19:57,839 small ships, as I said, carry one two people or these individuals, 209 00:19:57,920 --> 00:20:04,359 these floating beings. Uh, this is what people are talking about right right, 210 00:20:04,759 --> 00:20:10,200 So if you permit, they could share some image there. Yeah, 211 00:20:10,240 --> 00:20:11,960 you may have to. I think you're going to. You can try to, 212 00:20:12,519 --> 00:20:17,440 but you have down at the bottoment and the settings that will say present, 213 00:20:18,200 --> 00:20:22,400 Oh I think you are doing it. Yes, okay, sometimes it 214 00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:25,319 doesn't work, but it looks like we got it here. Okay. Yeah. 215 00:20:25,519 --> 00:20:33,160 This is a drowning from Brazilian Air Force from seventy seven from Operation Saucer. 216 00:20:33,720 --> 00:20:37,440 This is one kind of the shape that I mentioned it that's more what's 217 00:20:37,480 --> 00:20:42,960 more common in Brazil. It's Las Lender, where we have this panoramic window 218 00:20:44,799 --> 00:20:48,920 where we have these two beings, and this is the device most viewed in 219 00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:53,359 Brazil in the end of seventies. That was sending emitting light beings in the 220 00:20:53,400 --> 00:21:02,240 direction of people and causing many of physiological effects on them. And this where 221 00:21:02,279 --> 00:21:07,160 my mouth is pointed, is the device that directed this light being that the 222 00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:12,119 meds the light being to affect people. And this is one example of many, 223 00:21:12,319 --> 00:21:21,240 many shapes of of of craft that military saw and drawn it during the 224 00:21:21,279 --> 00:21:23,759 operations. As yes, so if you want to, if you have some 225 00:21:23,799 --> 00:21:27,160 others, and also if you would please send these to me and I will 226 00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:32,720 add them into the show links of the show notes set is so that the 227 00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:37,960 listener to the audio show can actually look at these. So here's artistic. 228 00:21:37,599 --> 00:21:42,920 It's artistic depiction of the same objects showing the colors of the lights. This 229 00:21:44,039 --> 00:21:49,680 is the device that directed the light being. They have other formats also descripted 230 00:21:51,279 --> 00:21:55,599 in these drownings of the militaris. And just to give an idea for the 231 00:21:55,680 --> 00:22:00,480 audience, what kind of shapes that we with the military. So when the 232 00:22:00,519 --> 00:22:04,519 people are seeing in Amazon doing all these years, so this actually comes from 233 00:22:04,519 --> 00:22:08,440 the military, you're saying, yes, this is all drownings from the military, 234 00:22:10,519 --> 00:22:14,720 isn't that exact? This one, this one is a modern version of 235 00:22:15,039 --> 00:22:19,839 this drownings. But this tradition black and white. Are all drownings from the 236 00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:26,279 from the military. They had a sergeant that was very good in drownings and 237 00:22:26,359 --> 00:22:33,640 did all these drownings for them. So you're saying that the military actually witnessed 238 00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:40,000 these things. Yes, not all of them. Some of the drownings were 239 00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:48,279 from descriptions of the people. This specifically device with two beings was not sold, 240 00:22:48,279 --> 00:22:52,480 but the military was not seen by the military. Was seen by, 241 00:22:52,519 --> 00:22:56,720 for example, the doctors that were treating people, the people that were attacked. 242 00:22:56,279 --> 00:23:02,359 But the other war seen by the military. Other giants, Yes, 243 00:23:02,519 --> 00:23:08,519 other giants. Objects like one hundred meters long, we're being open at the 244 00:23:08,599 --> 00:23:15,000 door and look into the military was seen in testimony by then, So I 245 00:23:15,039 --> 00:23:22,599 think they testimony things more impressive than the simple small craft that are according to 246 00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:30,440 testimony from the command of depression. Wow. And overall, would you say 247 00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:37,559 that Brazil the government in Brazil is open minded to just to trying to figure 248 00:23:37,559 --> 00:23:45,319 out what's going on. Yes, it's It depends of the current commander of 249 00:23:45,519 --> 00:23:52,599 the armed forces, depends of these guys, the leaders. We have waves 250 00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:57,960 of a lot of transparents where they send a lot of documentation to the National 251 00:23:59,079 --> 00:24:04,279 Archives, have thousands of pages of documents in Brazil today our national archives mainly 252 00:24:04,319 --> 00:24:07,920 for the air force. But as I said, it depends on the moment, 253 00:24:08,039 --> 00:24:14,119 depends on the people that is in charge. So we have times of 254 00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:22,079 a lot of transparence mixed with times of no news about that. M But 255 00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:26,599 comparing comparing comparing to other countries, comparing to the all the countries in history, 256 00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:30,480 compared to the other governments, Brazil for me, is one of the 257 00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:37,960 most transparent uh in world about that. And the example is the real example 258 00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:41,440 is so if you saw the natural archives, the documentation, more impressive documentation 259 00:24:41,599 --> 00:24:48,920 like that uh where the military is drowned and the stories about UFOs and basis. 260 00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:53,799 We have a lot of crazy stuff that was uh certified by the military 261 00:24:53,799 --> 00:25:00,680 there. Mm hmmmm, yeah, that's good. I have I have talked 262 00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:07,240 a number of times to someone in Chile, you know, with their they 263 00:25:07,279 --> 00:25:14,839 I think it's called Cephaha, their UFO you know, government based program that 264 00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:21,319 they have there. Josele is one of the people that's been on this show 265 00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:26,319 a number of times, and they they are they have their whole military involved, 266 00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:30,640 they have police departments involved, and every part of their defense is involved 267 00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:34,599 in trying to figure out things. I haven't heard much from them in a 268 00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:38,720 long time, but it's good to know that, you know, some of 269 00:25:38,759 --> 00:25:44,920 your neighboring people are you know, neighboring countries are looking at this seriously as 270 00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:49,559 well. Yeah, and current right now we have official government investigation bodies into 271 00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:56,319 the UFOs in Argentina, in Chile, in Uruguay, in Peru, so 272 00:25:57,079 --> 00:26:06,599 in Peru, in Age. The cases were so aggressive in this in Amazon, 273 00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:11,160 in Prouven Amazon that they established the OIFA, which the official body for 274 00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:18,000 investigational anomenal phenomena there in Peru. And there is a curious case, curious 275 00:26:18,039 --> 00:26:22,759 incident that one night the military called in the middle of the night to the 276 00:26:22,799 --> 00:26:30,359 commander of this department, which who was my friend Julu Shamohu. And Joho 277 00:26:30,599 --> 00:26:36,799 was a colonel that was commander of this the investigation body in Peru, and 278 00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:40,559 the military said, oh, commander, we have we are in front of 279 00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:47,400 a craft here and we are shooting against it. So and Julo Julio said, 280 00:26:47,759 --> 00:26:49,720 oh, please take a picture, and they said no, hey, 281 00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:55,640 we are just shooting the ship. So these are the examples of crazy stories 282 00:26:55,920 --> 00:27:02,759 involving official military documentation there in Peru, and that shows that Peru and Brazil 283 00:27:02,839 --> 00:27:08,720 has a long history of crazy incidents with this phenomena. Well, I would 284 00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:14,200 say maybe a couple months ago. It's hard to tell the way time goes 285 00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:19,680 so fast. But I had Jonathan Wygen on this show, was a second 286 00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:23,839 interview, and he was talking about are you familiar with that? Nineteen ninety 287 00:27:23,839 --> 00:27:30,400 seven supposedly came upon a crashed you know, UFO embedded in the rocks in 288 00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:37,240 the jungle in Peru. So it seems like there's regardless, it seems like 289 00:27:37,279 --> 00:27:41,799 there's a lot of things that are happening in that area for sure. Yeah, 290 00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:48,319 and ten ten years ago to since two thousand and eight, we have 291 00:27:48,559 --> 00:27:52,200 since two thousands, I think in Peru we have a lot of histories of 292 00:27:52,200 --> 00:28:00,039 people being abducted, people appearing, people being affected by these light beings. 293 00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:03,160 And at that time, the end of the seventies, the commander of the 294 00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:07,240 Peration Ergi Orlandon, the military also knew that the phenomenon was moving from nor 295 00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:11,200 if of Peru, from norf of Brazil, sorry for Office of Brazil, 296 00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:18,279 and off of Brazil to the Peruvian side, more to the west. And 297 00:28:18,079 --> 00:28:22,279 this is a fact because you know that in two thousands we had a lot 298 00:28:22,319 --> 00:28:26,799 of waves coming in two thousands, twenty ten, two thy fifteen, and 299 00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:34,119 right now in Peru, Evan and also Brazilian Amazon. I just wonder why 300 00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:40,400 it seems to affect some areas there. There's so much more activity in some 301 00:28:40,559 --> 00:28:45,839 areas than there is another's. It's really fascinating. And to ask for me 302 00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:51,480 about the beings coming out of the craft, and I didn't respond. I 303 00:28:51,519 --> 00:28:56,599 could answer that we have in the Brazilian Federal Police documentation that will be attended. 304 00:28:56,759 --> 00:29:02,160 We have an interesting story from ins and this indigenous from Peru and Brazil 305 00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:07,119 shared the same origins. They are the digitals from Brazil in this area are 306 00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:11,799 just in gigitals from Peru that migrated searching for a better life. So they 307 00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:17,440 shared a lot of stories together. They have encounters to share these stories. 308 00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:25,279 And they said that have a story in Peruvian Amazon that one ship one time 309 00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:30,519 descended, landed and from this ship coming out two or three beings of this 310 00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:37,319 ship, and the indigenous were successful to shot one of the beings. One 311 00:29:37,359 --> 00:29:41,720 of the beings fell down and was carried by the other beings to inside the 312 00:29:41,799 --> 00:29:48,000 craft. So this is one example of cases where they have in the past, 313 00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:53,240 the didigenals sharing stories about the kind of beings. Well, I think 314 00:29:53,319 --> 00:29:57,160 it's sad that their first intention would be to shoot something like that. But 315 00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:06,319 still I would like to also talk about the injuries and things that have happened, 316 00:30:06,319 --> 00:30:08,680 because Brazil, that's one of the things you hear about going way back, 317 00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:14,279 and I think it was a military that was injured by light beams, 318 00:30:15,039 --> 00:30:18,079 burned and all that. But this question came up and it's not really a 319 00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:22,279 question. Well I guess it is. Yeah, what happened in May is 320 00:30:22,359 --> 00:30:26,880 Brazil twenty twenty. Do you are you familiar with whatever that means? Yes, 321 00:30:26,079 --> 00:30:32,359 it's not Mays. The correct name is Magia with Omasia. Okay, 322 00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:37,920 thank yeah. In twenty twenty, we have an alleged craft in Magia. 323 00:30:38,359 --> 00:30:41,880 It is the city located in the state of Rio where I live, and 324 00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:47,799 I went there into twenty twenty. It was the first time I went to 325 00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:56,319 a fuel investigation mission about this subjects and I will give in to Twitter a 326 00:30:56,319 --> 00:31:02,400 lot of information soon that I collected in the past interviews. I have a 327 00:31:02,519 --> 00:31:10,240 video of luminous phenomena that was recorded by a policeman officer UH and imagine. 328 00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:15,079 We don't really don't know until today what really happened. We know what we 329 00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:19,720 know is that probably something fall from the sky. We don't know if it 330 00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:25,680 was a UFO, it was a spy satellite, We don't know if it 331 00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:32,519 was something military asset. But probably something very strange fell from the fell from 332 00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:37,519 the sky in the area of Dance Forest on top of a mountain, and 333 00:31:37,599 --> 00:31:41,599 the military did the operation there. I have documentation that will share to They 334 00:31:41,759 --> 00:31:48,079 searched with helicopters for a week there. All the population off Magia saw this 335 00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:52,400 military movementation and at that time they simply said, oh, nothing, nothing 336 00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:56,440 to see, nothing happening. But the fact is that they obtained the documentation 337 00:31:56,599 --> 00:32:02,000 showing that there was a military operation carried out there to search for something that 338 00:32:02,039 --> 00:32:08,000 we don't know until now what happened. Yeah, Yeah, here's a I 339 00:32:08,039 --> 00:32:14,359 agree with Christopher here says howscan people be jersuaded from shooting extra terrestrials or whatever 340 00:32:14,359 --> 00:32:17,559 they are. It's shocking and tragic, and I agree, and it seems 341 00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:22,480 like that is our first reaction, you know, I mean, you look 342 00:32:22,519 --> 00:32:25,839 all the way back to you know, war the World's of course, a 343 00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:30,920 radio show in the nineteen thirties, you know, on the Halloween when that 344 00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:35,400 came out, and right away you know in that story is the military is 345 00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:39,200 always attacking, you know, without or always the aggressor, and you know 346 00:32:39,319 --> 00:32:45,079 there's yeah, and this behavior is common. If you get all the cases 347 00:32:45,119 --> 00:32:51,519 since seventies to right now, the most common behavior we have in these stories 348 00:32:51,599 --> 00:32:57,000 is people getting shotguns. They're shotting against something that they really don't know what 349 00:32:57,079 --> 00:33:02,000 are because as I said, the people from these communities don't have governmental support. 350 00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:06,720 They don't have the police, they don't have hospital, they don't have 351 00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:10,079 anyone supporting them, and they have a lot of dese ers, has a 352 00:33:10,079 --> 00:33:23,240 lot of violence like drugs, like illegal miners like Oregon traffic like uh organ 353 00:33:24,319 --> 00:33:32,640 harvesting or guess. And these guys are are are very very afraid of these 354 00:33:32,759 --> 00:33:39,519 human activities. So everything that's unknown for them they respond with shotting us because 355 00:33:39,559 --> 00:33:45,160 they know that there is no one to protect them. And this is why 356 00:33:45,119 --> 00:33:51,839 they they they have this behavior. Now, I'm sure you've watched James Fox 357 00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:59,599 Virginia. Uh on uh uh what is such a moment of contact by James 358 00:33:59,599 --> 00:34:06,039 Fox in that area and that that is just that's another case in Brazil, 359 00:34:06,119 --> 00:34:10,039 that's you know, that's really something to that one and is that something you've 360 00:34:10,039 --> 00:34:14,880 ever looked at you? Yes, And this is the case that we have 361 00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:22,719 the large quantity of witnesses and official testimonies from military, from policemen, from 362 00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:29,440 firemen, uh from doctors, a lot of doctors, including doctors that saw 363 00:34:29,519 --> 00:34:34,119 the vid of the creature, the doctors that saw the creature life. And 364 00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:39,159 this is the case that we have most compelling witnesses all the cases in Brazil. 365 00:34:39,599 --> 00:34:45,559 And this is the is the fact that we all could agree that something 366 00:34:45,679 --> 00:34:52,119 really really strange happened there and there's a very high probability that all everything that 367 00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:59,760 James Fox depicted in its document is real. But unfortunately, we don't have 368 00:35:00,039 --> 00:35:08,239 any official documentation from Brazilian government about that. They simply say that nothing happened. 369 00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:14,320 And I've tried to obtain a lot of the documentation, but the sad 370 00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:17,960 fact is that at that time in Virginia in nineteen ninety six, we didn't 371 00:35:19,039 --> 00:35:23,480 have a Brazilian foyer freed of Information acts in Brazil establish it, and the 372 00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:29,920 military had the authorization to destroy everything they want. So I try to obtain, 373 00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:37,960 for example, the logs of the vehicles and the letters of communications and 374 00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:42,880 something simple like that. And they simple say that this could be destroyed because 375 00:35:43,159 --> 00:35:45,960 they could do that at that time. So this is a problem to obtain 376 00:35:46,039 --> 00:35:53,519 documents from this case. Well, just to know that there's most likely video 377 00:35:54,159 --> 00:36:00,840 of whatever those beings were in the hospital, and you know, James was 378 00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:06,800 like really close to getting that, but in there the person that is holding 379 00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:12,360 that doesn't care about money or anything, and supposedly and there is not going 380 00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:16,039 to come out anytime soon. It would be wonderful because but the only problem 381 00:36:16,119 --> 00:36:22,199 with that it would have to be so documented that it was some film that 382 00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:25,280 was done at that time, the type of film and all that. Because 383 00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:31,039 right now with the AI, these fakes that are coming out or it's going 384 00:36:31,079 --> 00:36:37,719 to be impossible to understand what's real and what's what's fake and not because you're 385 00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:44,239 involved in AI, you know, and no matter how good the film is, 386 00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:49,119 that is always margin two people say oh this is not real, this 387 00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:52,800 is AI because the I is very good today and photoshop and so on. 388 00:36:53,000 --> 00:37:00,440 So it's very very difficult thing to unless the Milie it comes forward and say 389 00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:06,960 oh this is real, I fielm it, this I certify this unless we 390 00:37:07,039 --> 00:37:12,480 have something like that. It's very difficult to officially uh certisfy something like that 391 00:37:12,559 --> 00:37:16,239 because of what you say is very good today becoming very very more and more 392 00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:21,960 and more good as the time passes. That's right. And here's a here's 393 00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:28,360 a good point by Steven another extraordinary claims case without any evidence. That is 394 00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:31,880 always the problem is the evidence, you know. I mean, that's it's 395 00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:37,880 just so frustrating sometimes when you have all these great witnesses and so many people 396 00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:44,599 involved, yet they don't really have any hard evidence. And it's it is 397 00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:50,440 and we need to agree. That's a very good point. But we also 398 00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:58,000 need to put in in the same position as these people in the jungle we 399 00:37:58,119 --> 00:38:01,440 are talking about, since the seventh behavior is the same. We are talking 400 00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:09,000 about a very very tricky, very very smart phenomena in ways that the only 401 00:38:09,039 --> 00:38:15,480 appears where people are not expecting for it. They are alone or are in 402 00:38:15,559 --> 00:38:21,360 doubles doing, for example, fishing, concentrated in another thing, and these 403 00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:24,960 things come from the sky, it comes from behind too. Immediately scared, 404 00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:29,880 these people are shotting light beams on them or whatever they want to do at 405 00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:34,639 that time. So imagine you fishing the middle of the river in the Amazon 406 00:38:35,599 --> 00:38:42,920 alone and suddenly a being, armored light being appears from the sky in front 407 00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:47,199 of you, and you simply paralyzed. You don't have time to think, 408 00:38:47,639 --> 00:38:51,599 oh, let me get my phone that I need to show it to my 409 00:38:51,679 --> 00:38:57,679 wife. So it's very very it's very simple. It's very easy to judge 410 00:38:57,719 --> 00:39:01,599 these people without know So how did phenomena behavior there in the middle of the 411 00:39:01,679 --> 00:39:07,639 jungle? I, for example, me myself, I was encounter some not 412 00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:13,639 beings but like that, but other kinds of phenomena, and I stayed paralyzed 413 00:39:13,679 --> 00:39:20,360 because I simply couldn't think about get my camera because it was so freezing, 414 00:39:20,559 --> 00:39:25,039 look at that thing that I never saw in my life, and not thinking 415 00:39:25,199 --> 00:39:30,599 nothing more than look at it and try to to think what is that? 416 00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:37,960 Try to describe that. So it's a good point, but we also need 417 00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:43,119 to to get in position of these people and how did phenomena behavior in that 418 00:39:44,079 --> 00:39:50,199 sneaky way it's nick activity in front of these people. Yeah, yeah, 419 00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:53,679 I've said a number of times, like you know my UFO encounter that I 420 00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:58,559 had back in two thousand and seven. If I had a camera beside me, 421 00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:02,159 I wouldn't picked it up because I was in the moment just trying to 422 00:40:02,159 --> 00:40:07,079 figure out what the heck I was seeing. So it is it is now. 423 00:40:07,119 --> 00:40:08,920 I feel as though I'll always be ready, But you know, that 424 00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:16,360 could happen again, certainly could. So I want to talk about the injuries, 425 00:40:17,119 --> 00:40:22,599 Like the part you never really hear much about is you know, you 426 00:40:22,679 --> 00:40:24,920 think that they're benevolent, they're not going to hurt anyone and all that, 427 00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:31,320 but it seems to be in Brazil there has been more injuries when it comes 428 00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:37,760 to this phenomenon then you typically hear in other areas. But there has been 429 00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:40,719 a lot of injuries right light beams and things like that. So what do 430 00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:50,280 you know about the situation for how these encounters happened. Yeah, as I 431 00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:57,000 said, the beings of vehicles generally come when people are alone or in doubles. 432 00:40:57,079 --> 00:41:04,519 They shot light beings, most of cases greenish to bluish light beings that 433 00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:15,199 affect people. These people instantaninous, become paralyzed like uh doped uh. They 434 00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:27,360 feel like some radiation radiation symptoms like red egg like red eyes like uh uh, 435 00:41:25,639 --> 00:41:31,880 a feeling that they are losing energy. They are totally weak, a 436 00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:39,119 totally weakness. That sometimes UH spends like one one week to two weeks in 437 00:41:39,199 --> 00:41:45,639 that feeling. Sometimes it's not a rule, it's exception. Sometimes these people 438 00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:54,360 had permanent sequela, permanent injuries like disabilities in the motor UH to to walk. 439 00:41:54,480 --> 00:42:00,960 They lost the ability to walk properly. Sometimes they had the brain effected 440 00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:07,840 in a way that they are they behavior like little childs because they are simply 441 00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:12,960 affected in the brains. I visited some of these these with victims of this 442 00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:19,960 phenomenon that was in that situation. And this is our the physiological effects that 443 00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:23,880 we are talking and people say, oh, this is a malevolent this is 444 00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:29,480 not this is an evil activity, but the fact that we don't know. 445 00:42:30,199 --> 00:42:35,280 I always give the example about what we do with painters in Amazon. We 446 00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:43,039 get these painters, we we dope them with anaestastics, We put GPS ships 447 00:42:43,079 --> 00:42:47,719 on these animals, we get them moved from them from helicopters. We do 448 00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:51,800 a lot of things that on the vision of the animal, this is a 449 00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:54,639 violence, but in the vision of we, it's like a preservation, it's 450 00:42:54,679 --> 00:42:59,840 like a research. And maybe these beings are doing that in Amazon, they 451 00:42:59,880 --> 00:43:04,800 are monitoring us. They are doing pudding ships or something like that, and 452 00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:09,960 collecting DNA samples or something like maybe to preserve or maybe to be stood as 453 00:43:10,039 --> 00:43:16,880 more and sometimes people have collateral effects that causes this perimantent damage, not because 454 00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:22,519 they wanted to do that, but it's because the people that received this light 455 00:43:22,679 --> 00:43:34,920 being had previous conditions in their barrus that consequently have this said the conclusion of 456 00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:43,519 the case, right, you know, one of the things about I think 457 00:43:43,559 --> 00:43:47,679 about why would all this happen in an area like that? And one of 458 00:43:47,679 --> 00:43:52,920 the things I think about is, you know, the Amazon Rainforest. I 459 00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:55,920 can't remember what the amount of species in there, but there's a massive amount 460 00:43:57,000 --> 00:44:00,199 of species, something like two and a half million types of insects. And 461 00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:06,599 you know, so I think that if you know, this is all just 462 00:44:06,679 --> 00:44:12,000 speculation, but I'm thinking if someone wanted to study life on the Earth, 463 00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:15,679 you know, there's an abundance of life there, people being a very small 464 00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:21,599 fraction of life in that area, but it seems to me that that would 465 00:44:21,639 --> 00:44:25,039 be a great place to study, you know. I mean, I'm just 466 00:44:25,119 --> 00:44:29,559 trying to figure out why things happen in a certain area as much as they 467 00:44:29,599 --> 00:44:32,840 do there. But what seems unique is the beams of light. You know, 468 00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:37,239 you don't hear about that and else elsewhere in other places, which is 469 00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:44,199 strange. They appear only in low density regions. They don't appear here in 470 00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:50,039 the capital of Brazil or in capital of Real in big cities like sam Paulo. 471 00:44:50,199 --> 00:44:55,000 They only appeared in cities that had that have low desert population. In 472 00:44:55,079 --> 00:45:00,000 yamazont have this, as you said, preserver ecosystems, which is a good 473 00:45:00,039 --> 00:45:07,880 laboratory or to study. So this is I agree with you that if we 474 00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:14,360 conducted that are more intelligent beings conducting a study of these places. The perfect 475 00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:19,719 places to study is the place that has preserved a consistence and low density populations 476 00:45:19,719 --> 00:45:23,480 because they simply don't want to be seen in most of cases. Mm hmmm 477 00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:31,719 hmm. So let's get back to Peru at this point, and I guess 478 00:45:31,719 --> 00:45:37,039 I'd like to ask about the activity. What has the activity been like? 479 00:45:37,199 --> 00:45:39,519 Is it has it slowed down? Is it continuing? What do you know 480 00:45:39,559 --> 00:45:45,719 about that? Yeah, I'll share as I talk of, share a few 481 00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:51,719 a image of the the map of these cases. Sure, let michare. 482 00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:58,480 But what what we have is that it started, as I said in June, 483 00:46:00,559 --> 00:46:05,239 it started to go more to the north started the same way people are 484 00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:08,719 seeing these floating beings. In some cases people was affected with this light being 485 00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:15,360 that paralyzed people. What's different from these guys the cases nowadays to the cases 486 00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:21,519 for example in Savages that was investigation by the Brazilian Air Force, is that 487 00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:27,039 in the sevenths these light beings were more aggressive. These light beings were like 488 00:46:27,199 --> 00:46:34,679 burns in the skin. They give some scars in these people. Uh, 489 00:46:35,119 --> 00:46:39,599 some material from the skin was visible collected by these lights by in some way. 490 00:46:40,199 --> 00:46:45,800 And this case is more recent in Brazilian, Brazilian Amazon and proven Amazon. 491 00:46:45,559 --> 00:46:50,559 We have these light beings that simply paralyzed people, but don't let left 492 00:46:50,719 --> 00:46:54,719 marks or something that in the skin of the people. And so this is 493 00:46:54,719 --> 00:47:00,559 why it classify us more less aggressive way these recent cases. I will share 494 00:47:00,599 --> 00:47:12,280 my screen where I have a map. Okay, so on this this is 495 00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:17,440 do they begin in the south and work along that? Yes, this arrow 496 00:47:17,679 --> 00:47:23,000 is the direction of the phenomena. Here. The first city in the south 497 00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:30,559 of Peru is Pukalpa, which is historically a place that we have cases in 498 00:47:30,559 --> 00:47:36,679 twenty eighty this region here, the first one is the reason that the Peruvian 499 00:47:36,719 --> 00:47:42,400 Air force established the WIFE which is the Peruvian Office of Investigation of Phenomenal's Phenomena. 500 00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:47,159 We have a huge wave in two thousand and eight here and we have 501 00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:53,679 this phenomena going to north in Cantamana, Urimaguas and finally Kitos where they have 502 00:47:53,800 --> 00:48:01,800 this case is mainly in August and in September. October started here in the 503 00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:07,360 Triple border. Here in north have Columbia, we have Peru and have Brazil, 504 00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:15,079 so the Striple Border entering the Brazilian territory, we have the first cases 505 00:48:15,079 --> 00:48:22,639 here and the same descriptions beings that are floating, beings that are emitting light 506 00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:30,280 beings on people. And we have most recently in the beginning of October cases 507 00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:37,360 more inside the Brazilian territory in the state of Amazonas. And what is uh. 508 00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:42,920 It's interesting things that this line is the river line, is the path 509 00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:49,760 of the river, and all these cases are are going with the flow of 510 00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:54,599 the river. And interesting also to remember that in the end of seventies the 511 00:48:54,639 --> 00:49:02,000 military witness many many crafts of different shapes going in and out of the rivers 512 00:49:02,039 --> 00:49:07,840 of the region. So this is something that is terricing because people think more 513 00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:14,079 about things come from the space, but in this case the Amazon. In 514 00:49:14,079 --> 00:49:21,559 twenty fifteen, also we have documentation from Brazil showing that people were witnessing Indigenous 515 00:49:21,559 --> 00:49:25,679 people were witnessing crafts coming in and out of the water bardies of the region. 516 00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:30,519 And we need to remember also that these rivers in Amazon are huge. 517 00:49:30,599 --> 00:49:37,760 They are like seas. They have extanction and they have with it, that 518 00:49:37,039 --> 00:49:44,119 is, you cannot see another border of the river, not the shoreline. 519 00:49:44,159 --> 00:49:49,360 So this is a huge heavers. These are the seas of the Amazon and 520 00:49:49,519 --> 00:49:52,320 where historically we have these crafts going in and out. And this is an 521 00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:58,480 interesting thing. We only I can't believe this time has gone by so quickly. 522 00:49:58,840 --> 00:50:04,519 We only have like a for and a half minutes left. But anyone 523 00:50:04,559 --> 00:50:07,440 that you know of this probably might seem like an odd question, but has 524 00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:12,800 anyone described them going in and out of water without any splash or anything? 525 00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:19,639 Are you familiar with that? We don't. I don't have any any testimony 526 00:50:19,719 --> 00:50:22,159 like that about the behavior of the water when they go in and out. 527 00:50:22,639 --> 00:50:28,519 But in Brazil we have cases where they saw beings, not crafts, but 528 00:50:28,760 --> 00:50:34,360 beings that were coming in and out of the river. And this we did 529 00:50:34,440 --> 00:50:37,960 not hurt that in Peru, but I did I have the testimonies here in 530 00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:44,440 Brazil about that, And the Brazilian police conducted the investigation in these communities and 531 00:50:44,480 --> 00:50:49,440 they call in these pirates in Brazil. In Peru they call it them illegal 532 00:50:49,519 --> 00:50:52,880 jetpack miners, and the brazil they are calling these pirates from the rivers, 533 00:50:53,199 --> 00:50:58,920 these beings that are coming in and out of the rivers and scarrying this population. 534 00:50:59,840 --> 00:51:01,119 I I guess they have to. They have to come up with an 535 00:51:01,159 --> 00:51:05,360 answer. It always is the case where they come up with an answer. 536 00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:09,039 Try to calm people down. But yes, sometimes the answers can not even 537 00:51:09,320 --> 00:51:13,840 make any sense at all. That's pirates going in and out of the water. 538 00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:19,599 No, no, no scuba gear or anything bizarre. So uh, 539 00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:22,320 we're getting right near the end of the show. Do you have a way 540 00:51:22,360 --> 00:51:27,639 for people to reach out to you if they would like to discuss anything with 541 00:51:27,719 --> 00:51:32,880 you? Do you have like a presence online? Yes? I have the 542 00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:40,960 tweeter is the channel that's English that you could but after the show on the 543 00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:45,199 description or something like that. But sure for people who want U sex, 544 00:51:45,199 --> 00:51:50,159 it's like my name to me x dot com just called X dot com slash 545 00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:53,199 you can find me there that you have also my contacts, my email, 546 00:51:53,360 --> 00:51:57,599 so I think Twitter is the best option. Yeah, people do want to 547 00:51:57,599 --> 00:52:01,039 reach me. Excellent. I think that's how we were in touch in the 548 00:52:01,079 --> 00:52:05,639 beginning. So thank you so much. It's been a real pleasure, and 549 00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:09,559 thank you. You have very good English and I really appreciate the work that 550 00:52:09,639 --> 00:52:14,159 you're doing. Thanks very much. Thank you very much, and I will 551 00:52:14,199 --> 00:52:17,280 have to have you on again sometime. Okay, all right, take care, 552 00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:22,199 all right everyone, So we'll be back next week. We have I 553 00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:29,320 believe it from Britain. We have Richard rocabi on. He is an author 554 00:52:29,360 --> 00:52:32,000 of a book that just came out. Sounds really interesting. So we'll see 555 00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:37,519 you here next week. Don't forget to go over to Crossfire this Thursday evening 556 00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:42,440 on this YouTube channel and I'll be hosting that particular show. Kevin Randall will 557 00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:45,360 be sitting in for one of the people. Thank you so much everyone, 558 00:52:45,679 --> 00:53:00,280 and remember to keep your eyes to the sky.