Hello, and welcome to the show on Martin willis your host, and another
great show for you this evening. I'm very excited to talk to ron Ronnie
Ferney. He is a Brazilian ufologist. He has looked and spoken to people
and Peru with all that weird stuff going on that you've seen in the news
out there, there's a lot of strange things happening and the answers I think
are pretty strange that gold illegal gold miners would use jetpacks to search out prospective
areas to mine and you know, instead of drones and things like that.
So there's strange answers from the authorities there and many very scared villagers and he's
talked to some of them. Also, some similar things happened in the Brazil
part of the Amazon, and he's going to be talking about that as well,
looking into all of these type of cases. So that'll be coming up
in just a minute. Here a couple of things the blog this week is
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it. I want to thank everyone that supports the show and everyone that listens,
and we will be bringing the guest. All right now, Ronnie,
welcome to the show. Hello, good night for everyone, Good night Marching.
Thank you for the invitation. Yes, I'm watching right now and after
we enjoy it. That's right, and we're we're you were right in Rio
de Janeiro, right, yes, yeah, so that's I was surprised when
you told me we're only in like an hour difference in time. Our time
zones really close, right, two hours, two hours, two hours?
Yeah, yeah, it's like nine pm right now here. Uh huh,
yeah, that's that's something. I don't know why I thought it was such
a big time difference, but glad anyway that I've had a lot of times
where I've had people and coming on the show and we get the time mixed
up. But it usually has to do with we have the daylight savings time
changes here and they get all mixed up and then they never show up or
or they're there an hour early or something like that. But anyway, so
can you please give your background what steered you to the interest of euthology to
begin with. Yeah, I'm not originally a UFO guide. I'm electronic and
computer engineer here in Brazil. I currently I'm doing my master research in physics
in the area of artificial intelligence applied to experimental physics, more particularly to cosmic
raise and high energy physics. And I'm also a long time employee from federal
government. I work for more than ten years at the Department of Energy here
in Brazil, more specifically in the area of petroleum biofuels and also in the
area of technology, where I manage the department there for logistics. So I
started with the UFO stuff in twenty twenty in the middle of the Pandemics.
Since in fact, since twenty eighteen, I was visiting a hotspot in Brazil
doing some not a research but some local observations of phenomenas there. I got
really impressive about these hotpots located here in Rio de Janeiro, stated I live,
but in a remote area, more rural area around of mountains and rivers
and all these preserved ecosystems. And since that time where I did this observation,
I started to be very curious, very interested to study more and more.
And as I said, in twenty twenty, I started feeling some requests
for Brazilian information Freedom of Information Act, and it was very successful to bring
a lot of documents and videos from cases the Amazon case that we are seeing
today, for example in Peru and also in Brazil, and that time we're
talking about cases about almost ten years ago. In these cases are happening,
happening, happening in waves as we would discussed today. So this is where
everything started. I see, great, Well, yes, so when I
started hearing about this happening in Peru, you know, I was contacted by
a lot of different people about it, you know, mostly listeners, but
they're all paying attention to it. But they're sending me the strange things that
they're sending me is that, you know, there's jet packs, and to
be right off the bat, you know, when a jetpack costs you know,
a quarter of a million dollars up to you know, close to half
a million dollars to buy a jet pack, it just doesn't seem like you'd
have a bunch of them flying around trying to scare villagers. So, first
of all, what did you think when you started hearing the answers like this,
the jet packs and all that, and for what was going on?
Yeah, we need to remember that in July to August, the case is
started near Iquitos, which now as the capital of the Amazon in Peru.
And we have this little village called San Antonio de Pintuaco, which is a
village that we believe that leaves the Iqui to people. That's the name of
the chinks of these people. And at that community specifically, we have a
case involving a girl fifteen years girl called Talia, and this girl was alleged
encounter two beings that could fly using technological devices and they cut her superficial cutter
in her neck. And after that case, immediately after that case, the
the federal police from Peru went there to investigate. The Peru and Navy also
did some research about that, but was not went went physically to go there
on the police and all happened because of this case. But we need to
remember that since June, these cases we are happening more far more south of
Peru in near Pukaupa, near Contamana and other places, and the cases started
to move more to north in Iquitos by this case with Talia, the girl
Talia happened and right after the vista, during the visita, I don't know
read the right time frame the people or the police or the people from the
community. We don't know with a lot of certainty, but they asked Talia,
the girl, to hold the phone, and this phone he had a
Google image picture of a French guy inventor flying by using jet jetpagh. So
this was very good to media, This was very good to the Peruvian government
that immediately after that photo went online in the portals they said, okay,
these are just illegal miners using jet packs. But we need to remember,
as you said, this specifical guy. And people said, oh, this
is the guy that was floating in that community. No, it's not right,
this guy was was just inventor. It's just a picture from Google.
And this started a wave of stories about that that ninety percent been true.
And as you said, these devices are very very expensive. This specific device,
I think was it's not too parisonal. We have another kind of devices,
and these devices have different characteristics. For example, a lot of noise
because they are based in compressive air, so uh, which is different what
people are say seeing that there are almost most all the time noiseless devices that
they are seeing in the in the jungle. And besides, a jet pack
is something that as far as I remember, they only last something like twelve
minutes at best, right, I mean they run out of fuel. They
can't that's the main problem the jet packs. They can't carry enough fuel to
you know, be you know, really functional for very long. So it
just doesn't make any sense. And I had no idea that they were taking
pictures from Google and all that, but people were talking about them like these
things floating just a few inches off the ground too, right, yes,
no, no, just a few it's almost most of the time they are
flying like three feet from the ground or two feet from the ground. But
they also saw these beings, these floating beings, like in altitudes, like
converting is like twenty twenty feet high, which is it's a lot of high
to advice like a jatback or something like that. So there are different descriptions
of altitudes, but not as high as twenty feet I would imagine by the
testimonies of these people. And then there are people describing them as like seven
foot tall. What are some other things that people are describing And you have
spoken directly to some people at these villages, right, yeah, I'm talking
mostly with professor teachers, school teachers of these village to get more information since
the end of August. I'm in contact with them. I gave some context
to Timotoberino, who visited the specific community of the growth Aliah with the Santano
Tinto Yaku and the Timis. Visit gave us a better description of what people
are seeing and confirmed the older the previous descriptions that we saw in the middle
and that we then that they personally obtained from them. And they just describe
these beings as style as three to six six converting because of converting units to
to USU leaders, it's like the seven feet in meters like two and a
half meters, right, two and a half meters, they reach almost two
and seventy this is what they are describing. Some described like two and twenty
meters, so this is what they're big, big, big guys. So
these are the descriptions about the size of them. They are all armored in
a black suit like a strong like a robot. They described like a robot
or like an astronaut. In Brazil, for example, people describe it then
as the iron Man armor to describe it like a strong armor. Sometimes they
describe something in the back like a huge like what the astronauts have to hold
the equipment and also a helmet to cover in their face, a big helmet,
I elongated head and the eyes are luminous yellow. In most sightings,
this is the description that they are talking and about the devices. The most
descriptions accounts of circular boots or circular platforms with different from all the device that
we know as at pecks, and with these devices, these guys are able
to lift in what we are talking like one meter to six meters in height
from the ground. So these are the but we have also descriptions of like
overbards as long as fifteen feet h and also vehicles carrying two people inside.
And these vehicles carrying two people inside is the most described along the history in
Brazil from seventeenes to nowadays, we have a lot of descriptions of these crafts
holding accommodating two people. This is the resume of what people are seeing there
when they say, when you say a vehicle holding two people's two people?
What type of description in shape do they say? And do they actually see
the people on the outside of whatever this craft is? And you know,
I'm just trying to figure out how they under stand there's two people or two
beings or whatever in these craft and what they look like. In Brazil,
it's more common to have previous cases in Brazil. In Amazon it's more common
to have cylinder shaped objects, a vertical cylinder, vertical orientation with two people
inside. We have also drownings from the air force of this vehicle, and
this vehicle was responsible in Brazil for the attacks with laser beings on people causing
physiological effects, and so that was very a lot. Visgetted a lot by
Brazilian air force. But in Peru they are describing something like a corn shaped
object, something something different from the cases in Brazil, carrying also two people
inside. And in Brazil also five years ago, we have also descriptions of
cylinders. So depending on the region, depending of the time, we have
different descriptions of the shape of these objects. But what's what is similar between
these sightings of vehicles are that they are carrying two people and people can see
these beings because these vehicles are almost translucent or transparent like a big window,
like a panoramic window. So this is the reason that they could see these
two beings wow. And that's so that's what they were seeing. In Brazil,
they haven't seen. But when you say that they've seen these smelmost like
hoverboards or something like that, is that is that also something that's transparent that
they're seeing the beans through. Now when you say this platforms, these are
boots that are attached to the boots of the beings that they could fly as
far it's like some proportion from this individual. When you say harverboarts, this
could be as big as fifteen feet that could carry two guys inside, uh,
standing in this hover but like a surfboard, a floating surfboard or something
like that. Uh. And we have also these vehicles that car that are
almost like big drones in different shapes carrying this being. So have these three
different uh classifications of things that people are seeing in peruven Amazon and also something
like that in Brazil. Now, I know, I know this all this
all does sound crazy, It really does, but there are so many people
reporting this, these villagers, and one one of the things I have to
say when I watched any of these videos is you can't fake the fact that
they are absolutely terrified. They are just really really scared. And that's you
know, there's you know, some people, the skeptical people, and I
think a case like all this should be looked at with skepticism. But they're
saying that, you know, it's mass hysteria, you know, and that's
that's what this is all about and all that. But I mean, this
is an ongoing thing and there has been some shooting at them, and they're
saying that they don't well if they have like body armor or whatever, that's
you know, I guess they're not. When they're shot at, nothing happens,
right, Yeah, they described they get close to these beings and they
immediately shot with These guy's carry shot guns because it's the measure to protect them
since they don't have police, they don't have nothing governmental to protect them closer
to these villages, so they carried shot guns. And people that said,
many people in many communities say that het and the bullets of shot guns in
these beings because they saw when they hit, they saw like a flash of
light or something in fact like that. And this in many ways disturbed these
beings because they continue to float to fly on their path. So the interpretation
of them is that the heat didn't affect or causing any damage for them.
And what about has anyone claimed that they've seen like any big craft with you
know, like do I want to say mothership or something like all these things
have have come in together or I mean, are people talking about those type
of things too? No, in this case is in Amazon, these recent
cases right now or for example five to ten years ago in Peruin, Brazil,
we don't have any case that I remember of big ships. We have
small ships, as I said, carry one two people or these individuals,
these floating beings. Uh, this is what people are talking about right right,
So if you permit, they could share some image there. Yeah,
you may have to. I think you're going to. You can try to,
but you have down at the bottoment and the settings that will say present,
Oh I think you are doing it. Yes, okay, sometimes it
doesn't work, but it looks like we got it here. Okay. Yeah.
This is a drowning from Brazilian Air Force from seventy seven from Operation Saucer.
This is one kind of the shape that I mentioned it that's more what's
more common in Brazil. It's Las Lender, where we have this panoramic window
where we have these two beings, and this is the device most viewed in
Brazil in the end of seventies. That was sending emitting light beings in the
direction of people and causing many of physiological effects on them. And this where
my mouth is pointed, is the device that directed this light being that the
meds the light being to affect people. And this is one example of many,
many shapes of of of craft that military saw and drawn it during the
operations. As yes, so if you want to, if you have some
others, and also if you would please send these to me and I will
add them into the show links of the show notes set is so that the
listener to the audio show can actually look at these. So here's artistic.
It's artistic depiction of the same objects showing the colors of the lights. This
is the device that directed the light being. They have other formats also descripted
in these drownings of the militaris. And just to give an idea for the
audience, what kind of shapes that we with the military. So when the
people are seeing in Amazon doing all these years, so this actually comes from
the military, you're saying, yes, this is all drownings from the military,
isn't that exact? This one, this one is a modern version of
this drownings. But this tradition black and white. Are all drownings from the
from the military. They had a sergeant that was very good in drownings and
did all these drownings for them. So you're saying that the military actually witnessed
these things. Yes, not all of them. Some of the drownings were
from descriptions of the people. This specifically device with two beings was not sold,
but the military was not seen by the military. Was seen by,
for example, the doctors that were treating people, the people that were attacked.
But the other war seen by the military. Other giants, Yes,
other giants. Objects like one hundred meters long, we're being open at the
door and look into the military was seen in testimony by then, So I
think they testimony things more impressive than the simple small craft that are according to
testimony from the command of depression. Wow. And overall, would you say
that Brazil the government in Brazil is open minded to just to trying to figure
out what's going on. Yes, it's It depends of the current commander of
the armed forces, depends of these guys, the leaders. We have waves
of a lot of transparents where they send a lot of documentation to the National
Archives, have thousands of pages of documents in Brazil today our national archives mainly
for the air force. But as I said, it depends on the moment,
depends on the people that is in charge. So we have times of
a lot of transparence mixed with times of no news about that. M But
comparing comparing comparing to other countries, comparing to the all the countries in history,
compared to the other governments, Brazil for me, is one of the
most transparent uh in world about that. And the example is the real example
is so if you saw the natural archives, the documentation, more impressive documentation
like that uh where the military is drowned and the stories about UFOs and basis.
We have a lot of crazy stuff that was uh certified by the military
there. Mm hmmmm, yeah, that's good. I have I have talked
a number of times to someone in Chile, you know, with their they
I think it's called Cephaha, their UFO you know, government based program that
they have there. Josele is one of the people that's been on this show
a number of times, and they they are they have their whole military involved,
they have police departments involved, and every part of their defense is involved
in trying to figure out things. I haven't heard much from them in a
long time, but it's good to know that, you know, some of
your neighboring people are you know, neighboring countries are looking at this seriously as
well. Yeah, and current right now we have official government investigation bodies into
the UFOs in Argentina, in Chile, in Uruguay, in Peru, so
in Peru, in Age. The cases were so aggressive in this in Amazon,
in Prouven Amazon that they established the OIFA, which the official body for
investigational anomenal phenomena there in Peru. And there is a curious case, curious
incident that one night the military called in the middle of the night to the
commander of this department, which who was my friend Julu Shamohu. And Joho
was a colonel that was commander of this the investigation body in Peru, and
the military said, oh, commander, we have we are in front of
a craft here and we are shooting against it. So and Julo Julio said,
oh, please take a picture, and they said no, hey,
we are just shooting the ship. So these are the examples of crazy stories
involving official military documentation there in Peru, and that shows that Peru and Brazil
has a long history of crazy incidents with this phenomena. Well, I would
say maybe a couple months ago. It's hard to tell the way time goes
so fast. But I had Jonathan Wygen on this show, was a second
interview, and he was talking about are you familiar with that? Nineteen ninety
seven supposedly came upon a crashed you know, UFO embedded in the rocks in
the jungle in Peru. So it seems like there's regardless, it seems like
there's a lot of things that are happening in that area for sure. Yeah,
and ten ten years ago to since two thousand and eight, we have
since two thousands, I think in Peru we have a lot of histories of
people being abducted, people appearing, people being affected by these light beings.
And at that time, the end of the seventies, the commander of the
Peration Ergi Orlandon, the military also knew that the phenomenon was moving from nor
if of Peru, from norf of Brazil, sorry for Office of Brazil,
and off of Brazil to the Peruvian side, more to the west. And
this is a fact because you know that in two thousands we had a lot
of waves coming in two thousands, twenty ten, two thy fifteen, and
right now in Peru, Evan and also Brazilian Amazon. I just wonder why
it seems to affect some areas there. There's so much more activity in some
areas than there is another's. It's really fascinating. And to ask for me
about the beings coming out of the craft, and I didn't respond. I
could answer that we have in the Brazilian Federal Police documentation that will be attended.
We have an interesting story from ins and this indigenous from Peru and Brazil
shared the same origins. They are the digitals from Brazil in this area are
just in gigitals from Peru that migrated searching for a better life. So they
shared a lot of stories together. They have encounters to share these stories.
And they said that have a story in Peruvian Amazon that one ship one time
descended, landed and from this ship coming out two or three beings of this
ship, and the indigenous were successful to shot one of the beings. One
of the beings fell down and was carried by the other beings to inside the
craft. So this is one example of cases where they have in the past,
the didigenals sharing stories about the kind of beings. Well, I think
it's sad that their first intention would be to shoot something like that. But
still I would like to also talk about the injuries and things that have happened,
because Brazil, that's one of the things you hear about going way back,
and I think it was a military that was injured by light beams,
burned and all that. But this question came up and it's not really a
question. Well I guess it is. Yeah, what happened in May is
Brazil twenty twenty. Do you are you familiar with whatever that means? Yes,
it's not Mays. The correct name is Magia with Omasia. Okay,
thank yeah. In twenty twenty, we have an alleged craft in Magia.
It is the city located in the state of Rio where I live, and
I went there into twenty twenty. It was the first time I went to
a fuel investigation mission about this subjects and I will give in to Twitter a
lot of information soon that I collected in the past interviews. I have a
video of luminous phenomena that was recorded by a policeman officer UH and imagine.
We don't really don't know until today what really happened. We know what we
know is that probably something fall from the sky. We don't know if it
was a UFO, it was a spy satellite, We don't know if it
was something military asset. But probably something very strange fell from the fell from
the sky in the area of Dance Forest on top of a mountain, and
the military did the operation there. I have documentation that will share to They
searched with helicopters for a week there. All the population off Magia saw this
military movementation and at that time they simply said, oh, nothing, nothing
to see, nothing happening. But the fact is that they obtained the documentation
showing that there was a military operation carried out there to search for something that
we don't know until now what happened. Yeah, Yeah, here's a I
agree with Christopher here says howscan people be jersuaded from shooting extra terrestrials or whatever
they are. It's shocking and tragic, and I agree, and it seems
like that is our first reaction, you know, I mean, you look
all the way back to you know, war the World's of course, a
radio show in the nineteen thirties, you know, on the Halloween when that
came out, and right away you know in that story is the military is
always attacking, you know, without or always the aggressor, and you know
there's yeah, and this behavior is common. If you get all the cases
since seventies to right now, the most common behavior we have in these stories
is people getting shotguns. They're shotting against something that they really don't know what
are because as I said, the people from these communities don't have governmental support.
They don't have the police, they don't have hospital, they don't have
anyone supporting them, and they have a lot of dese ers, has a
lot of violence like drugs, like illegal miners like Oregon traffic like uh organ
harvesting or guess. And these guys are are are very very afraid of these
human activities. So everything that's unknown for them they respond with shotting us because
they know that there is no one to protect them. And this is why
they they they have this behavior. Now, I'm sure you've watched James Fox
Virginia. Uh on uh uh what is such a moment of contact by James
Fox in that area and that that is just that's another case in Brazil,
that's you know, that's really something to that one and is that something you've
ever looked at you? Yes, And this is the case that we have
the large quantity of witnesses and official testimonies from military, from policemen, from
firemen, uh from doctors, a lot of doctors, including doctors that saw
the vid of the creature, the doctors that saw the creature life. And
this is the case that we have most compelling witnesses all the cases in Brazil.
And this is the is the fact that we all could agree that something
really really strange happened there and there's a very high probability that all everything that
James Fox depicted in its document is real. But unfortunately, we don't have
any official documentation from Brazilian government about that. They simply say that nothing happened.
And I've tried to obtain a lot of the documentation, but the sad
fact is that at that time in Virginia in nineteen ninety six, we didn't
have a Brazilian foyer freed of Information acts in Brazil establish it, and the
military had the authorization to destroy everything they want. So I try to obtain,
for example, the logs of the vehicles and the letters of communications and
something simple like that. And they simple say that this could be destroyed because
they could do that at that time. So this is a problem to obtain
documents from this case. Well, just to know that there's most likely video
of whatever those beings were in the hospital, and you know, James was
like really close to getting that, but in there the person that is holding
that doesn't care about money or anything, and supposedly and there is not going
to come out anytime soon. It would be wonderful because but the only problem
with that it would have to be so documented that it was some film that
was done at that time, the type of film and all that. Because
right now with the AI, these fakes that are coming out or it's going
to be impossible to understand what's real and what's what's fake and not because you're
involved in AI, you know, and no matter how good the film is,
that is always margin two people say oh this is not real, this
is AI because the I is very good today and photoshop and so on.
So it's very very difficult thing to unless the Milie it comes forward and say
oh this is real, I fielm it, this I certify this unless we
have something like that. It's very difficult to officially uh certisfy something like that
because of what you say is very good today becoming very very more and more
and more good as the time passes. That's right. And here's a here's
a good point by Steven another extraordinary claims case without any evidence. That is
always the problem is the evidence, you know. I mean, that's it's
just so frustrating sometimes when you have all these great witnesses and so many people
involved, yet they don't really have any hard evidence. And it's it is
and we need to agree. That's a very good point. But we also
need to put in in the same position as these people in the jungle we
are talking about, since the seventh behavior is the same. We are talking
about a very very tricky, very very smart phenomena in ways that the only
appears where people are not expecting for it. They are alone or are in
doubles doing, for example, fishing, concentrated in another thing, and these
things come from the sky, it comes from behind too. Immediately scared,
these people are shotting light beams on them or whatever they want to do at
that time. So imagine you fishing the middle of the river in the Amazon
alone and suddenly a being, armored light being appears from the sky in front
of you, and you simply paralyzed. You don't have time to think,
oh, let me get my phone that I need to show it to my
wife. So it's very very it's very simple. It's very easy to judge
these people without know So how did phenomena behavior there in the middle of the
jungle? I, for example, me myself, I was encounter some not
beings but like that, but other kinds of phenomena, and I stayed paralyzed
because I simply couldn't think about get my camera because it was so freezing,
look at that thing that I never saw in my life, and not thinking
nothing more than look at it and try to to think what is that?
Try to describe that. So it's a good point, but we also need
to to get in position of these people and how did phenomena behavior in that
sneaky way it's nick activity in front of these people. Yeah, yeah,
I've said a number of times, like you know my UFO encounter that I
had back in two thousand and seven. If I had a camera beside me,
I wouldn't picked it up because I was in the moment just trying to
figure out what the heck I was seeing. So it is it is now.
I feel as though I'll always be ready, But you know, that
could happen again, certainly could. So I want to talk about the injuries,
Like the part you never really hear much about is you know, you
think that they're benevolent, they're not going to hurt anyone and all that,
but it seems to be in Brazil there has been more injuries when it comes
to this phenomenon then you typically hear in other areas. But there has been
a lot of injuries right light beams and things like that. So what do
you know about the situation for how these encounters happened. Yeah, as I
said, the beings of vehicles generally come when people are alone or in doubles.
They shot light beings, most of cases greenish to bluish light beings that
affect people. These people instantaninous, become paralyzed like uh doped uh. They
feel like some radiation radiation symptoms like red egg like red eyes like uh uh,
a feeling that they are losing energy. They are totally weak, a
totally weakness. That sometimes UH spends like one one week to two weeks in
that feeling. Sometimes it's not a rule, it's exception. Sometimes these people
had permanent sequela, permanent injuries like disabilities in the motor UH to to walk.
They lost the ability to walk properly. Sometimes they had the brain effected
in a way that they are they behavior like little childs because they are simply
affected in the brains. I visited some of these these with victims of this
phenomenon that was in that situation. And this is our the physiological effects that
we are talking and people say, oh, this is a malevolent this is
not this is an evil activity, but the fact that we don't know.
I always give the example about what we do with painters in Amazon. We
get these painters, we we dope them with anaestastics, We put GPS ships
on these animals, we get them moved from them from helicopters. We do
a lot of things that on the vision of the animal, this is a
violence, but in the vision of we, it's like a preservation, it's
like a research. And maybe these beings are doing that in Amazon, they
are monitoring us. They are doing pudding ships or something like that, and
collecting DNA samples or something like maybe to preserve or maybe to be stood as
more and sometimes people have collateral effects that causes this perimantent damage, not because
they wanted to do that, but it's because the people that received this light
being had previous conditions in their barrus that consequently have this said the conclusion of
the case, right, you know, one of the things about I think
about why would all this happen in an area like that? And one of
the things I think about is, you know, the Amazon Rainforest. I
can't remember what the amount of species in there, but there's a massive amount
of species, something like two and a half million types of insects. And
you know, so I think that if you know, this is all just
speculation, but I'm thinking if someone wanted to study life on the Earth,
you know, there's an abundance of life there, people being a very small
fraction of life in that area, but it seems to me that that would
be a great place to study, you know. I mean, I'm just
trying to figure out why things happen in a certain area as much as they
do there. But what seems unique is the beams of light. You know,
you don't hear about that and else elsewhere in other places, which is
strange. They appear only in low density regions. They don't appear here in
the capital of Brazil or in capital of Real in big cities like sam Paulo.
They only appeared in cities that had that have low desert population. In
yamazont have this, as you said, preserver ecosystems, which is a good
laboratory or to study. So this is I agree with you that if we
conducted that are more intelligent beings conducting a study of these places. The perfect
places to study is the place that has preserved a consistence and low density populations
because they simply don't want to be seen in most of cases. Mm hmmm
hmm. So let's get back to Peru at this point, and I guess
I'd like to ask about the activity. What has the activity been like?
Is it has it slowed down? Is it continuing? What do you know
about that? Yeah, I'll share as I talk of, share a few
a image of the the map of these cases. Sure, let michare.
But what what we have is that it started, as I said in June,
it started to go more to the north started the same way people are
seeing these floating beings. In some cases people was affected with this light being
that paralyzed people. What's different from these guys the cases nowadays to the cases
for example in Savages that was investigation by the Brazilian Air Force, is that
in the sevenths these light beings were more aggressive. These light beings were like
burns in the skin. They give some scars in these people. Uh,
some material from the skin was visible collected by these lights by in some way.
And this case is more recent in Brazilian, Brazilian Amazon and proven Amazon.
We have these light beings that simply paralyzed people, but don't let left
marks or something that in the skin of the people. And so this is
why it classify us more less aggressive way these recent cases. I will share
my screen where I have a map. Okay, so on this this is
do they begin in the south and work along that? Yes, this arrow
is the direction of the phenomena. Here. The first city in the south
of Peru is Pukalpa, which is historically a place that we have cases in
twenty eighty this region here, the first one is the reason that the Peruvian
Air force established the WIFE which is the Peruvian Office of Investigation of Phenomenal's Phenomena.
We have a huge wave in two thousand and eight here and we have
this phenomena going to north in Cantamana, Urimaguas and finally Kitos where they have
this case is mainly in August and in September. October started here in the
Triple border. Here in north have Columbia, we have Peru and have Brazil,
so the Striple Border entering the Brazilian territory, we have the first cases
here and the same descriptions beings that are floating, beings that are emitting light
beings on people. And we have most recently in the beginning of October cases
more inside the Brazilian territory in the state of Amazonas. And what is uh.
It's interesting things that this line is the river line, is the path
of the river, and all these cases are are going with the flow of
the river. And interesting also to remember that in the end of seventies the
military witness many many crafts of different shapes going in and out of the rivers
of the region. So this is something that is terricing because people think more
about things come from the space, but in this case the Amazon. In
twenty fifteen, also we have documentation from Brazil showing that people were witnessing Indigenous
people were witnessing crafts coming in and out of the water bardies of the region.
And we need to remember also that these rivers in Amazon are huge.
They are like seas. They have extanction and they have with it, that
is, you cannot see another border of the river, not the shoreline.
So this is a huge heavers. These are the seas of the Amazon and
where historically we have these crafts going in and out. And this is an
interesting thing. We only I can't believe this time has gone by so quickly.
We only have like a for and a half minutes left. But anyone
that you know of this probably might seem like an odd question, but has
anyone described them going in and out of water without any splash or anything?
Are you familiar with that? We don't. I don't have any any testimony
like that about the behavior of the water when they go in and out.
But in Brazil we have cases where they saw beings, not crafts, but
beings that were coming in and out of the river. And this we did
not hurt that in Peru, but I did I have the testimonies here in
Brazil about that, And the Brazilian police conducted the investigation in these communities and
they call in these pirates in Brazil. In Peru they call it them illegal
jetpack miners, and the brazil they are calling these pirates from the rivers,
these beings that are coming in and out of the rivers and scarrying this population.
I I guess they have to. They have to come up with an
answer. It always is the case where they come up with an answer.
Try to calm people down. But yes, sometimes the answers can not even
make any sense at all. That's pirates going in and out of the water.
No, no, no scuba gear or anything bizarre. So uh,
we're getting right near the end of the show. Do you have a way
for people to reach out to you if they would like to discuss anything with
you? Do you have like a presence online? Yes? I have the
tweeter is the channel that's English that you could but after the show on the
description or something like that. But sure for people who want U sex,
it's like my name to me x dot com just called X dot com slash
you can find me there that you have also my contacts, my email,
so I think Twitter is the best option. Yeah, people do want to
reach me. Excellent. I think that's how we were in touch in the
beginning. So thank you so much. It's been a real pleasure, and
thank you. You have very good English and I really appreciate the work that
you're doing. Thanks very much. Thank you very much, and I will
have to have you on again sometime. Okay, all right, take care,
all right everyone, So we'll be back next week. We have I
believe it from Britain. We have Richard rocabi on. He is an author
of a book that just came out. Sounds really interesting. So we'll see
you here next week. Don't forget to go over to Crossfire this Thursday evening
on this YouTube channel and I'll be hosting that particular show. Kevin Randall will
be sitting in for one of the people. Thank you so much everyone,
and remember to keep your eyes to the sky.