At at Tonight's guest is Keith. Keith. Welcome to the show. Hey,
how are you well? I'm doing good, But more importantly, how
are you? Oh, hanging in there living a dream somebody's maybe mine,
maybe someone else is, who knows. Well, hopefully it's your dream,
not someone else's. Yeah, right, yeah, that's how it should be
at least Keith, please give us a brief bio in yourself. Well,
obviously, my name is Keith and forty eight years of age. I lived
in Oakland County, Michigan. My whole life, western side of it.
And that's pretty much what I can share at the moment. Tee. Something
happened when you were a seven that just might have been dogged me and related.
Please expand on that for us. Actually, uh, the seven eight
years old, so you're talking eighty two eighty three roughly. I made a
mistake, and that mistake was watching the movie The Howling and PSA for everybody,
don't let your children watch that. It's a pretty aggressive of a movie.
I'm sure a lot of you've seen it. And then after that,
a very short time after that, my parents and I went camping in the
woods isolated area, and things got a little interesting at that point. Yeah,
what happened. We had gone up to is it's called Mud Lake here
in Michigan. It's Claire County, roughly the center of the state. I
believe it's a state park. And it was, like I said, it
was very isolated. I think it's an outhouse, fire ring and a picnic
table is all you got. Everything was all hunky dory, but I still
had that little bit of that howling, especially the transformation scenes was stuck in
my head and all the noise those guys made. Everything was going good at
camping. We did the typical family stuff, just kind of chilled out,
and then the night time came and this is where for me, as being
a kid, it scared the heck out of me. What had happened was
as it was getting dark, evidently they had coyotes up there. And I
didn't know what a coyote was or anything like that. All I knew was
kind of wolves or whatever the cases. But across this lake there was a
pack of coyotes and they started yapping up and hollering and everything else that they
did, and of course I was getting a little scared. And it was
around that time to get to bed, and all of a sudden, those
howls again. Remember being a kid watching a howling. I didn't know what
was coming across that lake. But as nighttime grew, those howls got closer,
and they kept getting closer, and I don't know what amount of time
it was later, but now they are in our camp. Now. You
heard all this rackets outside, You heard the howling outside. You heard I
don't know if they were fighting back and forth here and there. So it
was scaring me pretty good. And what ended up happening was that kyots actually
took our cooler and drug it across the camping site. So you could imagine
watching that type of movie and then hearing that stuff in real life coming at
you. You didn't know what it was. I didn't know what it was.
Yeah, especially at that age. Oh man, you play stupid games,
you win stupid prizes. That's the only way I could put it.
With that, I didn't know. Well, of course not, that's a
good way to put it and sum it up. You told us about the
howling before you had that first experience with the coyotes that night. Did you
like watching scary movies like that? Yeah? I was kind of into the
scary movies and stuff like that. You know. I dug Jaws and I
think around around the same time. I think it was like eighty two eighty
three, the thing with Kurt Russell come out. And of course I've seen
Texas Chainsaw massacres at the drive in and stuff like that where they'd play the
older movies. So yeah, I kind of had a thing for him.
But until probably my teenage years, I stayed out of the woods for the
most part because of that movie that had a big effect on you. Then.
Yep, that it did. I mean, and I've never had any
other movie do that to me. Nothing, It's just that one. And
with the transformation scenes in those movies, that's what did it for me.
I mean it was, Yeah, it was creepy and all the bubbling skin
and all that weird. I yes, yeah, they really did do a
great job with the transformation scene. So I can understand why I got to
you like that. Did you love of watching horror movies like that change after
you started to have doging encounters? No, I maintained the horror movies,
man, I was digging it with the Jason Vorhees, you know, Friday
thirteenth, Halloween type stuff. I remember, you know, of course,
The Nightmare and Elm Street when Freddy Krueger was the new it guy or whatever
you want to say. My buddy Valentine's for some of the older folks out
there, my age, A little bit older who remembers humanoids from the deep
gotta love it. Huh. You've got me wondering now. I've got quite
a few years on you, and I don't remember that movie. It's a
fun movie. Yeah, check it out. It's kind of like a I
won't say it was a B rated movie, but it was. It was
all right for what it was. I think that's a late seventies error movie.
So I was probably just a puppy myself when that came out. Huh.
I cut my teeth on movies like that, And somehow I missed that
one. I'll have to see if I can't dig it up somehow. Most
eyewitnesses only have one dog, meaning encounter Keith, but some people like you,
have multiple encounters with them. You think there's a reason why you've had
so many encounters. Please talk us through that. Well, the encounters that
I've had, I don't know. It's I think it has something to do
with my native heritage. My heritage, my background is for the most part
it's French, Potatomie, Indian, and Cherokee. I don't know if that's
Cherokee or Cherokee Nation. Like we had discussed it had something to do with
pre or post trailer tiers. But being of a pretty good amount of the
Native American I think with these dog men that are out here at critters as
I like to call them, I believe they've been around a long time,
and I think they can actually pick up maybe on a spiritual sense. I
mean, that's just the way that I look at it is that I've had
friends that's dealt with these guys and they got thumped. I mean they didn't
it didn't kill them, but they put a little bit of a whooping on
them and just enough to get them out of the woods. But for me,
every time I've gone out there knock on wood, it's always been a
respectful thing on both sides. So I really believe that it's it has something
to do with Native bloodline. I think there's something in spirit that eminates that
towards these things. And with my native background, my ancestors they lived just
a couple miles from where I grew up, So the family even until this
day, from i'd say the early nineteen twenties until now, they're still in
the same area, and in some cases they're still in the old farmhouses that
they had back before my great grandparents, So that's given them a lot of
time to develop a relationship. If I guess you could call it a relationship
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please tell us about your encounters. Now give a several last detail it comes
to mind. Alrighty, you already know about the howling issue, and that's
where I wouldn't say it was a fascination or an obsession, but curiosity would
be a good word for this. That's where this started the early eighties,
a situation where it started hitting a little closer to home with dog men or
critters as I call him. This actually started. This was about solar vacation
of my junior year, so I believe that would be ninety one. What
had happened, my buddy and I we went over to my dad's house and
he at the time was a firefighter rescue for a local department around here,
and we just talked to him and you asked him if he had any runs
or anything like this, you know, see how it was going. And
on this particular weekend, on one of these runs that he went on,
he was a little I don't know if it was disturbed or scared by it.
What had happened was it was a late night call and what it was
it was a medical backup for a police investigation. And they had gotten to
this this location at this home, this farmhouse, which it was on the
outskirts of a local metal park around here. And when they got there there
were police, quite a bit of them, and a handful of those guys.
They were dressed up with a little more firepower. Yeah, I have
how to put it. If anything was going to mess with them, they
had five point five six reasons to be left alone. You can catch my
drift. And the odd thing was is that both the police chief and the
fire chief was there. This is odd. I don't. This isn't usually
normally how things go. And there are also a couple people there that were
suited up. We'll say they looked nice, well kept. They were not
of anything they had to do with the fire police department, and they were
talking to both of the chiefs and those people had left. And what my
dad said at that time is after those people had left, both of the
chiefs got everybody together and they said, we're looking. You're going to be
looking for something, and whatever you see, it would be in your best
interest to not see it. So take that for what you will. To
me, that's it's almost like a veiled threat. And my dad and one
of his partners, they went out on this little search or whatever with other
you know, they broke off into little groups or whatever, and behind I
guess it'd be like a barn or a large pole burn or whatever. They
had noticed something was watching them. They didn't hear anything, they didn't smell
anything. There wasn't anything growling or anything like that. But they had caught
red eyes and what my dad had said, it was about as tall as
they were, and they would see it blink once in a while and kind
of move just so slightly, but they kind of flashed their lights on it
and everything. And now this stuff was in the bushes and at some point
they had made mention to the police groups that was there, and hard were
drawn. They started advancing into this area where this set of eyes were at.
They got probably within about twenty thirty yards of this thing and my daddy
just said it whatever it was, it turned and took off. And now
when it took off, it was taken off in a northern, a northern
direction which would lead you right into a metro park which gets fairly swampy.
That's where that started with the family. As far as I know, no
one else at that time had any other types of contacts. Now when I
started getting into this, where I started having my own and colors, was
a little bit later on. It was I think it was ninety two,
summer vacation of ninety two. So my buddies and I what we used to
do in high school. We'd just run around at night dressed up and camouflage.
We used to call it night missions. It was you know, didn't
cause any crazy trouble or anything like that. We didn't go out and damage
anything or vandalize nothing. But one night, one of my buddies and I
we were out and it was just down the street from where I live,
and it's backcountry roads. I mean, you know, I got a farm,
a farm across the street and everything, and we're going down the side
street and I heard something heard something in the bushes, tall bushes, kind
of thick, and I had a little military flashlight probably everybody knows, military
surplus flashlight green in color, ninety degree bend with the flashlight on the bent
end, and it used to come with a couple of lenses. It was
a blue and green lens and one of the things that I used to like
to do is put them both together because it kind of made almost like a
UV light. Didn't put out a lot of power or anything like that,
so anything outside of couple peet didn't do anything. But anyway, my buddy
and I we hear something and it was just a very slight movement, like
what is this? So I went over to investigate. Now, behind this
thick it was probably only thirty forty feet thick, and then it went into
someone else's yard, so they had lights behind it. I had caught something
and what I had seen it was a silhouette. It was a fairly large
silhouette. It was basically just a head is all I saw. Had the
tall point of years directly on top of the head. Was like, man,
that's not bushes. This is something different. And I didn't know if
it was like a part of a log or whatever the case was. And
me being me, I just went at it and I left hand. I
brushed a brush out of the way, and I had this light and again,
like I said, it wasn't very powerful, it didn't light up anything,
but what it did it kind of illumined more of the silhouette of this
thing. Couldn't tell you a color, didn't know, but when I did
this and I kind of stuck my head in there, whatever it was opened
its eyes, and its eyes they were that dark ruby red color. Now
I don't know if that black light type thing kind of amplified it. But
this thing was very close. I couldn't have punched it. It was too
close. Maybe an elbow shot, but we were literally face to face.
Yeah, we were done at that point. We ran. We just ran
home. And you talk about a eighth of a mile sprint down this road,
not too far, but that was it. Didn't get attacked, didn't
get followed, none of that, which was fine, no big deal.
And that was it for a little while. We didn't have anything too crazy
go on there until I think it was. Man, I'm going to mess
up this time here. I think it was. I don't remember if it
was winter, see that. Yeah, okay, so it would have been
winter of ninety two. I'm trying to think. Senior year of high school.
Still in the same place where I'm at. My house, got a
couple more buddies over wintertime, and you know, we're big guns. A
couple of my buddies they were going to be going off to the military and
everything like that. So you know, we're bragging about the guns that we
have, and you know, just checking them out, nothing crazy, not
shooting them out the back or nothing. And it's like, okay, well,
dog's got to go outside. I had a hound dog, a little
beagle, and I led her out the back and the yard that I have
is about an acre size acre sized lot or so. And then behind me,
the neighbor behind me had twenty five acres that he would use as a
basically a golf course. So it gives you an idea there wasn't much behind
there as far as major mounts of trees or forest or high grass or anything.
So anyway, I let the dog out. I bent over, hooked
the dog to the chain. My own dogs started going crazy. Hair on
her back stood up, and she was barking in a violent manner. And
anybody that knows beagles, they're friendly. They don't muck around with nobody.
And it kind of started on that kind of paused, and when I looked
up, this is the first time I saw something, and it's glory,
if you will, what I saw. And this was probably, if I
had to say this, probably about sixty feet away. We had a large
pile of wood that we used for heating. It was by that we had
a burning barrel, like a fifty five gallon drum, but it was on
top of cinder blocks. To give you an idea of the height, so
take a cinderblock laid on it side. Fifty five gallon drum I think is
like thirty six thirty eight inches or something like that. I don't remember.
I work with them for years, I don't remember. But this thing was
standing there, this dog like creature, if you will, now the base
of its neck and its shoulders was just as high as that drum was.
That gives you an idea of how tall this thing was. So you're talking
over forty inches. And its color was a gray, yeah, like a
gun smoked gray. It's kind of light. But it was short, short
hair, a picture like a pit bull or a bulldog or a little Boston
terrier or whatever the case was. It was short hair. And this thing
was standing there and I could see it side to side, and there were
front the back, i should say, and it was very tall, huge
feet. Arms didn't look right as far as what a normal dog would be.
That's the weird thing about it. They were kind of almost like bowed
out. Again, we're going to use like a pit bowl, you know,
get a little stocky pit bowl, and how their front legs kind of
bow out. It was like that. And its eyes, its eyes were
the brightest white I could ever imagine. To give a comparison, it would
be staring at an arc welder if anybody's ever done that by a mistake,
cough cough, I have. It was bright like that, and it startled
me. I didn't know what it was. It was a neighbor down the
street had a great Dane. This had easily a foot on that great Dane.
It was huge, and that great Dan he had was not that color.
I yelled, I was terrified at that point. I stepped back and
said some choice words that any teenager would with his buddies around and they looked
out the sliding door and they saw it as well. They grabbed the firepower.
They went out. One of them had a yeah, another five five
six chamber firearm, and then a twelve gage. They went to engage this
thing, and this thing kind of just looked at him like, really,
it's just how we're going to do this. And this thing proceeded at this
point to walk behind this large pile of wood that we had in a pole
barn. Now it disappeared when they went out there. They turned on the
lights to the cars because that's kind of what we had. We didn't really
have major flashlights or anything. And then there was of course the light on
top of the pole barn, but it didn't do justice for anything behind it.
And I'm watching this. I didn't see anything, didn't see anything.
And I'm on the back porch on the second level. I got a thirty
out six. I packed some firepower. I'm looking, I don't see anything
through a scope, and on the corner of my eye to my left,
this would be facing northbound. I cut this thing standing on a side street,
the same one that I had mentioned here just previously with the red eyes.
It was standing there and like it was waiting for me. I whipped
that thirty yacht six around. I looked at it, and now it started
moving and it did. It walked, It walked away. It didn't run
or anything like that, but it was heading towards the main road that was
in front of the house. So I followed it, went to the front
of the house and picked back up on it with the rifle. Now it's
at this corner of the side street and the main road, and again I
put them cross hairs right between its eyes. And I think our yards at
that point, just to give you a distance, I think our lots were
like one hundred and sixty feet and I think that's what they were. I'm
not too sure. So you're talking just over fifty five yards half a football
field roughly. And I was looking at this thing in its eyes and eyes
are still glowing bright. There wasn't much light around it, but they were
still. God, I'm gonna hate saying this. I was thinking about this
earlier. They almost sparkled, And I'm not doing the whole Twilight movie thing
where the vampires sparkled, but they almost sparkled. It was kind of cool.
But at the time I'm looking at this thing. I pulled my head
away from the scope and I looked at this thing. I'm like, what
are you? And I just why shoot it? At that point there is
actually a brief hint of reason in my head and this thing is still staring
at me. It nodded, you know, it nodded as like acknowledging,
you know, almost like thank you for not putting thirty caliber round through my
poor aad. And it just turned towards the main road and from a standing
leap, cleared two lanes of road. It landed on the opposite side of
the road. Now on the opposite side of the road, it was a
little bit wooded pine trees, but I had a fence with a little bit
of barbed wire or on top of it, so you're talking what six eight
foot fence whatever. Second jump over the fence disappeared. That was it again.
This thing never made noise even when it was on the snow. It
did nothing. It just it was just there. How I see it is
it kind of thanked me for not shooting it. Look, you know,
you're welcome, and that was it For a while. I didn't get up
close and personal with anything else until I believe it was I'm gonna say it
was. I think it was winter of ninety three night. Yeah, winter
of ninety three, ninety four. I believe what this. I think I
was like eighteen at the time, and my buddy and I, which for
this road that we were on is I would say the majority of where I
and we have seen multiple dog men, which I'll get into different ones here
and a little bit as to what I've seen, but we decided one day
this is I think it's January of ninety four, mid January ninety four,
and for some reason, I don't know why, I remember the time,
four thirty eight pm. I don't know why. I just do. After
all these years, I remember. But we're sledding now this hill backed up
against State Parkland. And my buddy has always told me different things about Oh
I've seen this, I've seen in stuff in there, and like I mentioned
earlier, one of my buddies got dumped by one. Yeah that was him.
But we're sledding and we're doing our thing or whatever, and a couple
of other kids come up and they're sledden. They stayed for a little while,
and we're sitting at the top of the hill and on my left,
which would be heading west, we heard something crunched through the snow. And
what it was, if it was the sound, if I had to compare
it to anything, it'd be like something pouncing and landing. So I guess
a good way to be it is like if you ever see a winter thing
where a fox is jumping on a mouse. It was like that, but
it was significantly heavier, and we heard it. We kind of looked,
and now it's back in there. It's all pine forest for the most part.
In that area of the park it is pine. Trees are the kind
that you know, the branches don't really start until they're kind of above your
head. And I'd believe at some point it was a mill area for lumber
or something, because the trees it looked like they're in rows. But anyway,
we heard this thing and it was a little bit of a distance off.
I'm gonna say, probably fifty feet we'll say fifty feet or so,
didn't hear anything. We continued talking and everything and watching the kids. At
the end of the run down at the bottom of the hill, we heard
it again and we kind of looked again. We're like, dude, what
is this and we're not seeing anything. But this time it was considerably closer,
and we get kind of a little bit nervous, like we're just not
seeing anything. We're not seeing nothing. And then just a couple minutes later
again just down onto the ground, breaking through the snow and everything, and
at that point my body just froze. I'm like, uh ooh, something's
not right here now. My buddy that was with me, he was sitting
to my right so I would be between him and whatever, just landed.
He leaned past me, and he looked and his eyes got huge, they
welled up, they started he almost started crying. He turned pale, and
then he decided he didn't want to be there anymore. And my buddy at
the time, he was a pretty big boy. He was probably two hundred
and fifty pounds in about five seven or so. So you know, I'm
not knocking him, but it is what it is just to give you an
idea what he did at that point. He took off down the hill.
He had a jump on the hill, grabbed his sled and was running by
the time, and just left me there. He took off towards the main
part of the side road that we're talking about, and I'm like, oh
man, I'm gonna have to face this thing. And I turned my head
kind easy, not fast, not real stupid slow. But I'm looking at
this thing to my left and it's within probably twelve feet ten to twelve feet
maybe, And what I can see through the brush was this was kind of
it was brown, but had kind of like gray undertones. A picture like
a white tailed deer this time of year where they kind of changed their color.
It was like that. It was probably the same length as a deer
would be. It's not crazy long, but it's not crazy short either.
But it had a maine It had a mane on its on its head,
and it stretched onto its shoulders a little bit and then kind of beat off
a little bit about halfway down its back. Now, from what I could
see from its front shoulders to its hindquarters, probably five and a half feet
in length. I mean it was pretty long. It was longer than any
other type of dog that I've seen. I don't recall a tail. Its
chest was fairly large. I mean, I guess, you know, I
hear these other stories and how they have the big, thick barrel chest and
shoulders and then it kind of tapers down to a very a significantly smaller rear
end. Yeah, it was like that. And when this thing moved,
I didn't see a face yet. I'm like, yeah, this is one
of my buddy's friends or something screwing with this in an outfit. And then
it moved, and when it moved you could see muscle definition and again back
end looked like a dog, very muscular. The front end, again it
had these I didn't see hands or claws or anything like that, but it
had arms that did not look like a dog would. They were bowed out.
Again, they were bowed out. To give you an example, hit
the deck and do a push up, and when you when you prep for
a push up, how your arms are bowed out. That's how it is.
That's how this thing looked. And I'm like, man, what is
this thing? And then it started moving behind me, and at that point
I saw a snout. It didn't snarl, I didn't see teeth, but
its snout was significantly large. I I can't even describe the size. It
was larger than that of like a German shepherd, but maybe the base thickness
of like a rottweiler, but long like a German shepherd. And it moved
and it was quiet, I mean not not completely quiet, not completely silent,
but it was very quiet and calculated in its moves. And I'm watching
this thing, and I'm all I'm doing is I'm turning my upper half of
my body, just watching this thing, keeping an eye on it. I
didn't move anything outside of that. Now, what happened. This thing was
coming across me, and it got to a certain point before I couldn't turn
anymore, and I'm just barely forcing my eyes to stay on this thing.
This thing turned towards me. It didn't have the red eyes or the gold
eyes. It had black eyes. I mean, yeah, there was,
it was just dark. There was. It was almost like they were non
existent, but you can still see a slight shine from it. Didn't see
any breath out of it or anything like that. But when this thing turned
towards me, it crouched down as like an ambush predator, a cat.
That would be the way that this thing kind of crouched down, and the
look on his face is, yeah, we're gonna make something to you.
And at that point that was my you to get the heck out of Dodge.
Yeah, that was that was pretty spooky. That was my first first
time outside of the silhouette seeing something that close and with that much detail.
Weight of this thing man muscle size in maybe four hundred pounds maybe, I
don't know. I didn't ask. Other than that, for the rest of
the year, it kind of stayed quiet. I didn't didn't really see anything.
And then again I didn't really make any huge amounts of effort to go
out into the woods, especially after that and then you know, ah,
no the howling man. But didn't really see anything for the most part of
the year. Next time that I ran across something, same back road,
just farther in the east of it, where you know it's between one road
and another. This was at the far east end of this and that was
October of ninety four. I was out with a couple of friends, same
guy, and we've heard more stories about these things and now you're kind of
believing these things. You can't deny it. It's in your face. We
had gone out and further down this park there's a place where people will run
their horses and certain times of the season they'll take their dogs out for a
bird training. And on the left side of this this is on the south
side of the road, so been the east side there's a swamp. And
again October ninety four, clear night, full moon, beautiful night. The
whole thing had that glow. And one friend and I we just stayed in
the truck. One buddy decided, Hey, I'm going to go check this
out. I got a feeling about something. You do you man, you
do you? And he decided to go down this trail. Now it's a
maintained trail. It's fairly groomed. Again, like I said, they had
horses going through it and everything like that. And he had gotten down to
the where the swamp area is and between the main trail and the swamp is
probably forty feet or so, but it has the tall grass between the trail
and the swamp. We're watching him walking down there and everything. He's being
all cautious. Then a friend and I we caught something. It was behind
him, but coming out of the swamp, and it was white. I
mean it is either light gray or white. I mean it was. It
almost glowed in the moonlight. And like, what is this thing? And
right around that same time, it jumped out. It cleared all of that
tall grass and landed behind our buddy and he turned around. He obviously startled,
and he turned around faced this thing. And I couldn't see much of
it at that point, so I couldn't really tell you a size yet,
but what had happened? This thing darted back off in towards the swamp.
Buddy come running up to the truck that his dad had, and he had
like a Dodge Ram pickup sort, and he ran up fast as he could.
He got up there fairly quick, and we decided to take off and
he peeled out of this park area and he got out onto the side road
and I'm looking. I'm looking now he's bringing up dust and everything like that.
But I'm watching from where this where the swamp was at, and I'm
like, hey, dude, he's what he's you know, he's paying it
obviously, Like dude, you got to get moving. And he's like what
what? I said, whatever it is that you picked off down there,
it's coming for you. And I watched this thing run up a trail and
as it was going up a hill, there's like a like a guard rail
for people where they would park, and this thing cleared it and it shot
across that parking lot and out onto that side road. And my buddy,
I think, if I have to remember, he was doing maybe forty five
fifty at the time, and this thing was gaining on This thing was moving.
I mean, there's no joke about it, and it was. It
was long like the one I had mentioned that we saw on a sledding hill,
but it was considerably shorter, but it was more stocky if you will,
length of the hare or for if you will, I couldn't tell you.
I think it was longer, but it wasn't. It wasn't. It
definitely wasn't short. This thing was pretty big and it only followed us for
a short period of time, just a few seconds, and then it darted
off back into the woods. And that was the extent of it. That
was it. I mean, it was done and over. It didn't chase
us down in where his house was, where he was living at the time,
since moved, but this road, this dirt part of this road.
He had the two main roads north and south, east and west on this
road. He was at the west end of that road. Across the street
there's an old flare haul there, so he made a quick time of that
to get back to the house. After that. Again, it was October
ninety four, something happened to him. It was called life. Now.
That's where everything just kind of went quiet. Didn't really go out there for
quite a few years. I think it's between that time, late ninety four
and there was like ninety eight before I started going back out that way,
and I think it was getting into I think it was ninety nine. Yeah,
I think it was summer of ninety nine is when we started driving around
back there and not going the woods, just driving around at night. Our
friends and I would do this. We'd just travel back roads and talk and
get philosophical and all that. One of my other buddies and I we went
back there and main highway goes through. We turned off of that to go
on to the side road, and I had a spotlight, two million candlepower
spotlight that we just take, you know, just in case we think we
see something, you know, we can light something up, and that ended
up being the case. We had turned on this side road and what had
happened was there's an old dam or something. It used to be a mill
back in a day or whatever, but you know, it's an old remnants
of a dam that was there. And by this was fairly tall. Tree
wasn't crazy huge, maybe ten fifteen feet at tops, yeah, we'll say
fifteen trying to put stuff into measurements here, and for some reason it was
just weird. It caught my attention because there was a ton of way you
called them lightning bugs or fireflies whatever, that was kind of swarming around this
tree. We're driving some I dude, check out. It's kind of cool,
you know, but there were a couple of lightning bugs that were significantly
larger and didn't flicker on and off, and they really caught my attention.
Give you a distance seventy five feet between us and this tree, and we
see it and we notice it. Dude, give me that light. Take
that light out, two million candle power, boom, instantly, I light
this thing up. I don't I don't know if that would have been sasquatch
or a smaller sasquatch or if it was a dog man or a critter as
I call him. But this thing had a lighter brown fur. And I
didn't see a face at that point because you put two million candle power in
the face of anything and it's kind of planking what this did. This is
where I noticed hands and claws because it blocked the light with its right hand,
and at that time I saw the fingers and the claws in the arms.
If I had to say anything on a height maybe between six and seven
feet, it wasn't huge. Even shoulder with wasn't crazy. It wasn't muscular.
The hair color, like I said, with the brownish color length of
it. A good reference would be checking out Back in the eighties, Ozzy
Osbourne had done an album called Bark at the Moon where he had dressed up
like a werewolf or whatever. That's what it looked like. I mean,
that's that's the only thing that I can say is what it looked like.
The hair, the length of it, the fingers, the claws, the
arms. That's that's what it looked like. It was at that point,
I didn't even go farther. At that point. I actually backed out onto
the main road, which was probably a couple hundred feet out. I just
just didn't want to go that way anymore and kind of stayed away. Oh
ma'am, what else had happened? I think we stayed away from that point,
but we would drive around. We'd still drive around. You know,
you get up to curd we're going to drive around or whatever, you know,
future time. And I don't even know what this was, but we
had gone back into this park. And at this park there's an old ranger
station, a house or whatever for the state park, and it's long been
abandoned, and we were driving around at this time. I didn't have my
light. I didn't have it anymore. It broke or whatever. But there's
an old abandoned ranger station for y'all that may want to reference this. There
was a remake of a movie called Red Dawn. It is back in twenty
twelve, and during this movie, there's a I call it the cabin scene,
and if you look it up on YouTube, there's a scene where the
bad guys come out with the two guys fathers and they're talking to the kids
that are hiding in the woods. Yeah, that's the place, and with
a lot of this stuff that went on that I've seen, even stuff I
haven't. I haven't told you yet. A lot of this is in that
area, including this slighting hill. The sledding hill is on the northwest corner
of that park. But anyway, we just throw around in This old beat
up ranger station had some weird stuff to it, you know, it's all
old and creepy, and I sent a picture of it earlier. There was
windows and part of a wall that was busted outwards. And usually if you're
going to break into something that the brigos in. No, this was from
outwards, from the inside out. It's kind of looking at is weird.
But at that point we saw a set of eyes in the upper right hand
window, and that was kind of it was. It wasn't scary. It
was a yeah, I'm hearing you see me. And the only thing that
we had for light was just the high beams on my buddy's trup. And
these eyes, man, I've only seen them a couple of times. They're
they're beautiful. I mean, that's the only way that I can describe it.
In fact, I was doing a little research today and the color that
I found closest to it. Again, you guys want to get an idea
of what I'm looking at for specifics, look up a sky blue topaz that
was the color of these things. They're just absolutely beautiful. I mean,
but you couldn't really make out a silhouette of anything, but you knew something
was there because it would blink and then it would kind of move its head
and kind of shift a little bit from side to side and kind of dump
down a little bit. But it didn't do anything. It didn't come out
after us, it didn't run away, and at that point we just left.
I mean, it's just one of those things. It's weird getting back
on it. I can't get over it enough of how these knock on wood.
Again, I've never had violent or scary encounters with these things. I
can't get over it for me. Yeah, anyway back into this now winter
of ninety nine, we had gone back out in this area, same body
I was with on that last detail I gave youbody else. So at this
time had a female friend from his work and I had actually picked up a
new spotlight at that point, and she was on board with a lot of
these conversations because you know, it's kind of a weird thing. To bring
up to people, but you know, she was on board with it.
Now, this girl, I believed that she was, oh man, I
think she was from Arizona. I believe it was Arizona because she had run
ins with Skinwalker. I think that was a Skinwalker there, so she had
issues with Skinwalker's. It was how kai had they even mentioned here recently?
Yeah, I kind of only want to say their names a very few amount
of times, and unfortunately I'm not getting the message. That's just on me.
Other than that, again, it just it just kind of went silent
after that. After we had left, and that was it. I mean
I didn't really see anything for quite a few years again. And that would
bring us to two thousand and four. Two thousand and four had some pretty
interesting experiences with that. Yay, actually saw my first set of tracks that
It was kind of cool. Big but we'll start in July of ninety four.
Personal note, the wife I had a time or and I had split
up, so a lot of my belongings were in my car. Yeah,
including a little mosen the Gaunt rifle M forty four for any of you gun
people out there with bayonet anyway. Summer ninety four rolls around and of July
actually, and there are a couple issues. I went down again by where
that old ranger station was at and on the little road that went further back
in the park, they had it's like a baseball diamond, a softball diamond,
whatever, So I know y'all can imagine the size of those. I
just drove down there. Something told me to do it. And this was
like after work, and I think it was on a Saturdays. I only
worked until like two thirty in the afternoon, and I went down there and
again keep in mind what I have in the vehicle. I drove down there
and parked in the field of the baseball diamond. There was a DNR officer
or should I say DNR officer vehicle. It was a truck. And this
it struck me as weird because it was just there, not in a parking
area, in the middle of this baseball field, door wide open and running.
I just I don't know of anyone who would just do that. There's
no outhouses around or anything like the guy had to go have a break or
something like that. There's nothing. And having come from EMS or police background
or whatever, be it friends or family or whatever, you just don't do
that. You just don't leave your vehicle wide open, running and abandon it.
It was strange. And I walked over between it and the infield and
I'm looking around, looking around, and all of a sudden, I started
hearing stuff. It was running, but you could tell definitely whatever it was
was heavy and on two feet. And I heard it in one spot and
I heard it in another. It was almost like they were whatever it was,
one would advance a next amount of feet, and then another would advance
a next amount of feet. And this went on for a few minutes.
And this whole experience here probably lasted less than ten minutes, so it was
just a couple of minutes, a few minutes. And I started getting a
little nervy because now I'm getting stuff from in front of me. Can't see
it not that far away, because just beyond the baseball diamonds was wood,
swamp, thick brush, whatever, and looking don't see anything. I go
back to my car, and oh my god, this is going to be
self incriminating, but it is what it is for my experience. I grabbed
that mosen and I put five rounds in it and won in a pipe and
it was almost like a almost like a flight or fight. How they say
that, But I haven't got that far to the flight part. And when
I did that, that was a it was a big mistake. I didn't
get attacked. I didn't hear anything. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. When
I mean here, I didn't hear anything. I didn't hear growls or howling
or anything weird like that. I didn't hear any obviously. I didn't hear
a DNR officer prize, put your hands up, you know, nothing like
that. And I started getting surrounded and it was heavy. It was getting
closer, and I was literally surrounded on three hundred and sixty degrees, I
mean, and how many I couldn't tell you. I don't know. There
was enough to surround me. Didn't anything. Now, one thing that I
did experience with that again, I heard just the footsteps or running or whatever.
I felt it. And I don't know what this is. And I
felt this a couple of times. It's it's I guess I've heard stories about
it where with sasquatch or even tigers, they emit some type of frequency that
allows it it does something to its prey to make it go and make it
stop, and it was almost that type of feeling. And at that point
I just I said, man, I'm outnumbered here. There's more of these
things than I got rounds of AMMO And could I stop them? No,
we know it better. But I unloaded the firearms, throw it in the
trunk of my car through the animal back in the glove box, and I
just laughed. That was it. That was strange again. That was July
of four, and then later part of July had an interesting experience. New
Girl I was singing. Her brothers and some of their friends had rented a
cabin that was on the same side road as where the Ranger Station had just
a little further down, still the same park, whatever the case was,
I was gonna go there and visit them that night. They were having a
little get together whatever, And a couple of things happened. When I turned
onto this off road we'll call it hint Hint, pettybone. I turned on
there, and I noticed brush moving, and it was a lot of brush
moving. And now it was getting late. I don't think it was quite
ten o'clock yet, it was getting kind of late. I don't recall it.
I think there was a moon out. I don't remember for it's full
moon or whatever. But either way, I'm driving down this road and along
the embankment, just a few feet into the tree line. On occasion,
I would either see something very tall and running now that had dog feet I'm
sorry, dog legs, if you will, and human type arms, and
the large canine head with the long snout, the big ears, and on
occasion I would see some running just on all fours. If anyone wasn't wiser,
they would to say it was like a large wolf, maybe something like
a large timberwolf something they had a little more oomph to it, fairly long.
Again, I just don't recall ever seeing tails on any of those ones.
But anyway, half mile three, quarter mile down the road, I
finally get to this part, and just before that this entrance driveway, if
you will, these things just kind of darted off into the woods. They
are on my right side, south west side of the road, and before
I got there, they just kind of darted off disappeared, like what in
the world. That was just strange. I'm going to have fun explaining this
one to the people at this park, this cabin, I'm sorry. And
the girl I was seeing in one of her younger brothers. She had two
of them. I think he was maybe fourteen fifteen at the time. And
I got out of the car. He's like, oh, yeah, I
knew you were coming. I'm like, dude, how do you know I
was coming. I didn't tell anybody about your sister. He's like, yeah,
but they came. They're waiting, he said something on that line.
It was just and I'm like, what are you talking about? They and
he started pointing. Now he's pointing to the woodline of war I just came
from. And man, Vic, I tell you, it was crazy.
There is probably at least ten of these things. There had to have been.
I mean, because again, it was one of those things where he
got surrounded and the two brothers, you know, they're just like, yeah,
we know, we've seen them before. And the younger brother is very
spiritual. He's one of those people that could tell you what's going to happen
to you. When he was a child, he would tell you things that
were going to happen to you, and they would end up coming into truision.
But anyway back to this, it was weird. Again, it wasn't
scary. There's nothing intimidating about this we'll say yet. But they're all different
sizes your typical year six to seven feet maybe a couple of them, a
couple of them were pretty hefty in size, pretty tall from what I could
tell. Again, i'm dealing with silhouettes here, so colors are out of
the question at this point because they're just in the wood line, just out
of the reach of the campfire and the light on the cabin. And I'm
watching these things, and we're watching and we're like, are these guys acting
like idiots? What's wrong with them? I mean, it was one of
those things again you talk about a dog man. You're thinking something that's going
to have a purpose and the way that it moves. But it was weird.
The only way that can kind of describe it as sit out in an
early fall day or late fall day, whatever and watch the squirrels chasing each
other and act in the full. That's what these things were doing. It
was really strange. It was you'd see one and it would be standing behind
a tree, and obviously it's larger than a tree. Again, this is
more like pine tree areas again, where the branches don't start until you know
above your head. It's like what are you trying to hide behind? It's
ridiculous. And some would run on all fours and disappear and then they would
come back. But for the most part they surround this and they just watched.
On occasion, you would catch a glowing eye, usually white, like
that bright white that I was telling me about from earlier, and man,
it was they didn't do much of anything. They just ran around acting the
fool. I mean, they would check us out and stuff. And one
that was interesting. It was one of the bigger ones. It was going
from tree to tree and I don't remember exactly how far it was. If
I had to guess, I'm gonna say probably twenty feet. And I'm watching
this thing and imagine a dog man six seven feet in height tried a tiptoe
from tree to tree and this is what this blasted thing did. I'm like,
what in the world. And then a couple of them, like I
said, they would just run on all fours and just disappear, and then
one came close. This sounds like a great spot to stop tonight's show,
But don't forget to come back Monday night and catch a part two. But
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