1 00:00:11,199 --> 00:01:32,200 At at Tonight's guest is Keith. Keith. Welcome to the show. Hey, 2 00:01:32,239 --> 00:01:34,120 how are you well? I'm doing good, But more importantly, how 3 00:01:34,120 --> 00:01:38,799 are you? Oh, hanging in there living a dream somebody's maybe mine, 4 00:01:38,840 --> 00:01:42,799 maybe someone else is, who knows. Well, hopefully it's your dream, 5 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:48,400 not someone else's. Yeah, right, yeah, that's how it should be 6 00:01:48,439 --> 00:01:53,319 at least Keith, please give us a brief bio in yourself. Well, 7 00:01:53,519 --> 00:01:59,879 obviously, my name is Keith and forty eight years of age. I lived 8 00:01:59,879 --> 00:02:04,000 in Oakland County, Michigan. My whole life, western side of it. 9 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:08,680 And that's pretty much what I can share at the moment. Tee. Something 10 00:02:08,759 --> 00:02:12,919 happened when you were a seven that just might have been dogged me and related. 11 00:02:13,240 --> 00:02:16,599 Please expand on that for us. Actually, uh, the seven eight 12 00:02:16,719 --> 00:02:23,879 years old, so you're talking eighty two eighty three roughly. I made a 13 00:02:23,919 --> 00:02:32,319 mistake, and that mistake was watching the movie The Howling and PSA for everybody, 14 00:02:32,439 --> 00:02:38,759 don't let your children watch that. It's a pretty aggressive of a movie. 15 00:02:38,840 --> 00:02:40,960 I'm sure a lot of you've seen it. And then after that, 16 00:02:43,039 --> 00:02:49,240 a very short time after that, my parents and I went camping in the 17 00:02:49,280 --> 00:02:55,439 woods isolated area, and things got a little interesting at that point. Yeah, 18 00:02:55,919 --> 00:03:00,360 what happened. We had gone up to is it's called Mud Lake here 19 00:03:00,360 --> 00:03:05,960 in Michigan. It's Claire County, roughly the center of the state. I 20 00:03:06,159 --> 00:03:09,479 believe it's a state park. And it was, like I said, it 21 00:03:09,520 --> 00:03:15,240 was very isolated. I think it's an outhouse, fire ring and a picnic 22 00:03:15,240 --> 00:03:19,960 table is all you got. Everything was all hunky dory, but I still 23 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:23,599 had that little bit of that howling, especially the transformation scenes was stuck in 24 00:03:23,639 --> 00:03:28,840 my head and all the noise those guys made. Everything was going good at 25 00:03:28,919 --> 00:03:31,639 camping. We did the typical family stuff, just kind of chilled out, 26 00:03:32,759 --> 00:03:37,919 and then the night time came and this is where for me, as being 27 00:03:37,919 --> 00:03:42,159 a kid, it scared the heck out of me. What had happened was 28 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:46,039 as it was getting dark, evidently they had coyotes up there. And I 29 00:03:46,039 --> 00:03:49,879 didn't know what a coyote was or anything like that. All I knew was 30 00:03:50,199 --> 00:03:53,759 kind of wolves or whatever the cases. But across this lake there was a 31 00:03:53,800 --> 00:04:00,039 pack of coyotes and they started yapping up and hollering and everything else that they 32 00:04:00,039 --> 00:04:03,400 did, and of course I was getting a little scared. And it was 33 00:04:03,439 --> 00:04:08,719 around that time to get to bed, and all of a sudden, those 34 00:04:08,960 --> 00:04:13,800 howls again. Remember being a kid watching a howling. I didn't know what 35 00:04:14,039 --> 00:04:19,879 was coming across that lake. But as nighttime grew, those howls got closer, 36 00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:28,279 and they kept getting closer, and I don't know what amount of time 37 00:04:28,319 --> 00:04:31,160 it was later, but now they are in our camp. Now. You 38 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:35,879 heard all this rackets outside, You heard the howling outside. You heard I 39 00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:39,839 don't know if they were fighting back and forth here and there. So it 40 00:04:39,959 --> 00:04:46,000 was scaring me pretty good. And what ended up happening was that kyots actually 41 00:04:46,120 --> 00:04:53,480 took our cooler and drug it across the camping site. So you could imagine 42 00:04:53,639 --> 00:04:59,240 watching that type of movie and then hearing that stuff in real life coming at 43 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:00,720 you. You didn't know what it was. I didn't know what it was. 44 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:06,120 Yeah, especially at that age. Oh man, you play stupid games, 45 00:05:06,160 --> 00:05:10,079 you win stupid prizes. That's the only way I could put it. 46 00:05:10,120 --> 00:05:13,959 With that, I didn't know. Well, of course not, that's a 47 00:05:13,959 --> 00:05:16,560 good way to put it and sum it up. You told us about the 48 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:21,079 howling before you had that first experience with the coyotes that night. Did you 49 00:05:21,199 --> 00:05:27,279 like watching scary movies like that? Yeah? I was kind of into the 50 00:05:27,319 --> 00:05:31,079 scary movies and stuff like that. You know. I dug Jaws and I 51 00:05:31,079 --> 00:05:34,600 think around around the same time. I think it was like eighty two eighty 52 00:05:34,680 --> 00:05:40,319 three, the thing with Kurt Russell come out. And of course I've seen 53 00:05:41,120 --> 00:05:45,120 Texas Chainsaw massacres at the drive in and stuff like that where they'd play the 54 00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:47,439 older movies. So yeah, I kind of had a thing for him. 55 00:05:47,720 --> 00:05:51,360 But until probably my teenage years, I stayed out of the woods for the 56 00:05:51,399 --> 00:05:57,120 most part because of that movie that had a big effect on you. Then. 57 00:05:58,199 --> 00:06:00,720 Yep, that it did. I mean, and I've never had any 58 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:06,959 other movie do that to me. Nothing, It's just that one. And 59 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:12,959 with the transformation scenes in those movies, that's what did it for me. 60 00:06:14,319 --> 00:06:16,959 I mean it was, Yeah, it was creepy and all the bubbling skin 61 00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:23,040 and all that weird. I yes, yeah, they really did do a 62 00:06:23,040 --> 00:06:27,040 great job with the transformation scene. So I can understand why I got to 63 00:06:27,079 --> 00:06:30,680 you like that. Did you love of watching horror movies like that change after 64 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:36,839 you started to have doging encounters? No, I maintained the horror movies, 65 00:06:36,879 --> 00:06:43,000 man, I was digging it with the Jason Vorhees, you know, Friday 66 00:06:43,079 --> 00:06:47,560 thirteenth, Halloween type stuff. I remember, you know, of course, 67 00:06:47,680 --> 00:06:51,720 The Nightmare and Elm Street when Freddy Krueger was the new it guy or whatever 68 00:06:51,759 --> 00:06:58,040 you want to say. My buddy Valentine's for some of the older folks out 69 00:06:58,040 --> 00:07:00,879 there, my age, A little bit older who remembers humanoids from the deep 70 00:07:01,079 --> 00:07:05,240 gotta love it. Huh. You've got me wondering now. I've got quite 71 00:07:05,240 --> 00:07:10,959 a few years on you, and I don't remember that movie. It's a 72 00:07:10,959 --> 00:07:15,600 fun movie. Yeah, check it out. It's kind of like a I 73 00:07:15,639 --> 00:07:18,120 won't say it was a B rated movie, but it was. It was 74 00:07:18,160 --> 00:07:24,079 all right for what it was. I think that's a late seventies error movie. 75 00:07:24,079 --> 00:07:29,160 So I was probably just a puppy myself when that came out. Huh. 76 00:07:29,199 --> 00:07:30,920 I cut my teeth on movies like that, And somehow I missed that 77 00:07:30,959 --> 00:07:34,680 one. I'll have to see if I can't dig it up somehow. Most 78 00:07:34,720 --> 00:07:39,399 eyewitnesses only have one dog, meaning encounter Keith, but some people like you, 79 00:07:39,439 --> 00:07:43,399 have multiple encounters with them. You think there's a reason why you've had 80 00:07:43,439 --> 00:07:48,680 so many encounters. Please talk us through that. Well, the encounters that 81 00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:54,839 I've had, I don't know. It's I think it has something to do 82 00:07:55,000 --> 00:08:01,319 with my native heritage. My heritage, my background is for the most part 83 00:08:01,319 --> 00:08:05,079 it's French, Potatomie, Indian, and Cherokee. I don't know if that's 84 00:08:05,160 --> 00:08:09,879 Cherokee or Cherokee Nation. Like we had discussed it had something to do with 85 00:08:11,079 --> 00:08:18,480 pre or post trailer tiers. But being of a pretty good amount of the 86 00:08:18,600 --> 00:08:24,160 Native American I think with these dog men that are out here at critters as 87 00:08:24,199 --> 00:08:28,360 I like to call them, I believe they've been around a long time, 88 00:08:28,480 --> 00:08:35,519 and I think they can actually pick up maybe on a spiritual sense. I 89 00:08:35,519 --> 00:08:37,799 mean, that's just the way that I look at it is that I've had 90 00:08:39,320 --> 00:08:43,320 friends that's dealt with these guys and they got thumped. I mean they didn't 91 00:08:43,320 --> 00:08:46,000 it didn't kill them, but they put a little bit of a whooping on 92 00:08:46,080 --> 00:08:50,440 them and just enough to get them out of the woods. But for me, 93 00:08:50,639 --> 00:08:56,480 every time I've gone out there knock on wood, it's always been a 94 00:08:56,519 --> 00:09:01,679 respectful thing on both sides. So I really believe that it's it has something 95 00:09:01,679 --> 00:09:07,320 to do with Native bloodline. I think there's something in spirit that eminates that 96 00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:16,120 towards these things. And with my native background, my ancestors they lived just 97 00:09:16,320 --> 00:09:22,919 a couple miles from where I grew up, So the family even until this 98 00:09:22,159 --> 00:09:28,799 day, from i'd say the early nineteen twenties until now, they're still in 99 00:09:28,879 --> 00:09:35,320 the same area, and in some cases they're still in the old farmhouses that 100 00:09:35,399 --> 00:09:39,440 they had back before my great grandparents, So that's given them a lot of 101 00:09:39,480 --> 00:09:43,639 time to develop a relationship. If I guess you could call it a relationship 102 00:09:43,639 --> 00:09:48,080 with any dog men or sasquatch around the property. Then if you'd like to 103 00:09:48,080 --> 00:09:52,519 be able to listen to the show without ads and have full access to bonus 104 00:09:52,600 --> 00:09:56,679 content, that's an option. To find out how, please go to Dogmanencounters 105 00:09:56,720 --> 00:10:03,440 dot com Forward Slash podcast. All right, Keith, Having said that, 106 00:10:03,519 --> 00:10:07,360 please tell us about your encounters. Now give a several last detail it comes 107 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:13,639 to mind. Alrighty, you already know about the howling issue, and that's 108 00:10:13,720 --> 00:10:18,360 where I wouldn't say it was a fascination or an obsession, but curiosity would 109 00:10:18,399 --> 00:10:22,480 be a good word for this. That's where this started the early eighties, 110 00:10:22,480 --> 00:10:28,000 a situation where it started hitting a little closer to home with dog men or 111 00:10:28,120 --> 00:10:35,600 critters as I call him. This actually started. This was about solar vacation 112 00:10:35,759 --> 00:10:41,320 of my junior year, so I believe that would be ninety one. What 113 00:10:41,480 --> 00:10:48,919 had happened, my buddy and I we went over to my dad's house and 114 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:54,440 he at the time was a firefighter rescue for a local department around here, 115 00:10:56,159 --> 00:11:00,919 and we just talked to him and you asked him if he had any runs 116 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:05,159 or anything like this, you know, see how it was going. And 117 00:11:05,440 --> 00:11:07,960 on this particular weekend, on one of these runs that he went on, 118 00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:13,840 he was a little I don't know if it was disturbed or scared by it. 119 00:11:16,759 --> 00:11:22,360 What had happened was it was a late night call and what it was 120 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:31,039 it was a medical backup for a police investigation. And they had gotten to 121 00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:37,879 this this location at this home, this farmhouse, which it was on the 122 00:11:37,879 --> 00:11:43,840 outskirts of a local metal park around here. And when they got there there 123 00:11:43,919 --> 00:11:50,159 were police, quite a bit of them, and a handful of those guys. 124 00:11:50,200 --> 00:11:52,799 They were dressed up with a little more firepower. Yeah, I have 125 00:11:52,960 --> 00:11:56,600 how to put it. If anything was going to mess with them, they 126 00:11:56,600 --> 00:12:00,840 had five point five six reasons to be left alone. You can catch my 127 00:12:00,919 --> 00:12:07,799 drift. And the odd thing was is that both the police chief and the 128 00:12:07,799 --> 00:12:11,240 fire chief was there. This is odd. I don't. This isn't usually 129 00:12:11,639 --> 00:12:20,240 normally how things go. And there are also a couple people there that were 130 00:12:22,240 --> 00:12:28,360 suited up. We'll say they looked nice, well kept. They were not 131 00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:33,200 of anything they had to do with the fire police department, and they were 132 00:12:33,440 --> 00:12:41,480 talking to both of the chiefs and those people had left. And what my 133 00:12:41,559 --> 00:12:45,840 dad said at that time is after those people had left, both of the 134 00:12:45,879 --> 00:12:50,639 chiefs got everybody together and they said, we're looking. You're going to be 135 00:12:50,679 --> 00:12:58,200 looking for something, and whatever you see, it would be in your best 136 00:12:58,240 --> 00:13:03,519 interest to not see it. So take that for what you will. To 137 00:13:03,559 --> 00:13:09,480 me, that's it's almost like a veiled threat. And my dad and one 138 00:13:09,519 --> 00:13:13,320 of his partners, they went out on this little search or whatever with other 139 00:13:13,840 --> 00:13:20,559 you know, they broke off into little groups or whatever, and behind I 140 00:13:20,559 --> 00:13:24,759 guess it'd be like a barn or a large pole burn or whatever. They 141 00:13:24,759 --> 00:13:30,559 had noticed something was watching them. They didn't hear anything, they didn't smell 142 00:13:30,600 --> 00:13:35,200 anything. There wasn't anything growling or anything like that. But they had caught 143 00:13:35,240 --> 00:13:39,759 red eyes and what my dad had said, it was about as tall as 144 00:13:39,919 --> 00:13:43,559 they were, and they would see it blink once in a while and kind 145 00:13:43,559 --> 00:13:48,919 of move just so slightly, but they kind of flashed their lights on it 146 00:13:48,960 --> 00:13:52,720 and everything. And now this stuff was in the bushes and at some point 147 00:13:52,759 --> 00:14:00,200 they had made mention to the police groups that was there, and hard were 148 00:14:00,279 --> 00:14:07,440 drawn. They started advancing into this area where this set of eyes were at. 149 00:14:07,120 --> 00:14:13,240 They got probably within about twenty thirty yards of this thing and my daddy 150 00:14:13,399 --> 00:14:18,799 just said it whatever it was, it turned and took off. And now 151 00:14:18,519 --> 00:14:22,639 when it took off, it was taken off in a northern, a northern 152 00:14:22,639 --> 00:14:28,799 direction which would lead you right into a metro park which gets fairly swampy. 153 00:14:28,720 --> 00:14:33,799 That's where that started with the family. As far as I know, no 154 00:14:33,840 --> 00:14:41,080 one else at that time had any other types of contacts. Now when I 155 00:14:41,120 --> 00:14:46,320 started getting into this, where I started having my own and colors, was 156 00:14:46,679 --> 00:14:50,799 a little bit later on. It was I think it was ninety two, 157 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:56,679 summer vacation of ninety two. So my buddies and I what we used to 158 00:14:56,720 --> 00:15:00,000 do in high school. We'd just run around at night dressed up and camouflage. 159 00:15:00,039 --> 00:15:01,519 We used to call it night missions. It was you know, didn't 160 00:15:01,519 --> 00:15:05,240 cause any crazy trouble or anything like that. We didn't go out and damage 161 00:15:05,279 --> 00:15:09,879 anything or vandalize nothing. But one night, one of my buddies and I 162 00:15:09,960 --> 00:15:13,440 we were out and it was just down the street from where I live, 163 00:15:13,480 --> 00:15:18,360 and it's backcountry roads. I mean, you know, I got a farm, 164 00:15:18,679 --> 00:15:24,759 a farm across the street and everything, and we're going down the side 165 00:15:24,799 --> 00:15:31,000 street and I heard something heard something in the bushes, tall bushes, kind 166 00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:37,759 of thick, and I had a little military flashlight probably everybody knows, military 167 00:15:37,799 --> 00:15:43,679 surplus flashlight green in color, ninety degree bend with the flashlight on the bent 168 00:15:43,840 --> 00:15:46,240 end, and it used to come with a couple of lenses. It was 169 00:15:46,279 --> 00:15:48,399 a blue and green lens and one of the things that I used to like 170 00:15:48,440 --> 00:15:50,879 to do is put them both together because it kind of made almost like a 171 00:15:50,960 --> 00:15:56,279 UV light. Didn't put out a lot of power or anything like that, 172 00:15:56,440 --> 00:16:02,240 so anything outside of couple peet didn't do anything. But anyway, my buddy 173 00:16:02,240 --> 00:16:06,240 and I we hear something and it was just a very slight movement, like 174 00:16:06,279 --> 00:16:10,360 what is this? So I went over to investigate. Now, behind this 175 00:16:10,480 --> 00:16:14,360 thick it was probably only thirty forty feet thick, and then it went into 176 00:16:14,399 --> 00:16:18,440 someone else's yard, so they had lights behind it. I had caught something 177 00:16:19,679 --> 00:16:26,559 and what I had seen it was a silhouette. It was a fairly large 178 00:16:26,600 --> 00:16:32,200 silhouette. It was basically just a head is all I saw. Had the 179 00:16:32,320 --> 00:16:37,440 tall point of years directly on top of the head. Was like, man, 180 00:16:37,440 --> 00:16:38,840 that's not bushes. This is something different. And I didn't know if 181 00:16:38,879 --> 00:16:41,799 it was like a part of a log or whatever the case was. And 182 00:16:42,519 --> 00:16:48,879 me being me, I just went at it and I left hand. I 183 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:52,600 brushed a brush out of the way, and I had this light and again, 184 00:16:52,639 --> 00:16:55,360 like I said, it wasn't very powerful, it didn't light up anything, 185 00:16:55,919 --> 00:16:59,399 but what it did it kind of illumined more of the silhouette of this 186 00:16:59,440 --> 00:17:04,559 thing. Couldn't tell you a color, didn't know, but when I did 187 00:17:04,599 --> 00:17:10,400 this and I kind of stuck my head in there, whatever it was opened 188 00:17:10,440 --> 00:17:15,839 its eyes, and its eyes they were that dark ruby red color. Now 189 00:17:15,880 --> 00:17:22,160 I don't know if that black light type thing kind of amplified it. But 190 00:17:22,680 --> 00:17:26,200 this thing was very close. I couldn't have punched it. It was too 191 00:17:26,240 --> 00:17:30,240 close. Maybe an elbow shot, but we were literally face to face. 192 00:17:30,279 --> 00:17:33,759 Yeah, we were done at that point. We ran. We just ran 193 00:17:33,799 --> 00:17:37,519 home. And you talk about a eighth of a mile sprint down this road, 194 00:17:37,640 --> 00:17:41,720 not too far, but that was it. Didn't get attacked, didn't 195 00:17:41,759 --> 00:17:47,039 get followed, none of that, which was fine, no big deal. 196 00:17:47,920 --> 00:17:52,200 And that was it for a little while. We didn't have anything too crazy 197 00:17:52,279 --> 00:17:56,880 go on there until I think it was. Man, I'm going to mess 198 00:17:56,960 --> 00:18:02,680 up this time here. I think it was. I don't remember if it 199 00:18:02,759 --> 00:18:07,680 was winter, see that. Yeah, okay, so it would have been 200 00:18:07,759 --> 00:18:10,400 winter of ninety two. I'm trying to think. Senior year of high school. 201 00:18:11,960 --> 00:18:14,920 Still in the same place where I'm at. My house, got a 202 00:18:14,920 --> 00:18:18,960 couple more buddies over wintertime, and you know, we're big guns. A 203 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:22,519 couple of my buddies they were going to be going off to the military and 204 00:18:22,559 --> 00:18:25,000 everything like that. So you know, we're bragging about the guns that we 205 00:18:25,079 --> 00:18:27,359 have, and you know, just checking them out, nothing crazy, not 206 00:18:27,400 --> 00:18:33,440 shooting them out the back or nothing. And it's like, okay, well, 207 00:18:33,519 --> 00:18:36,920 dog's got to go outside. I had a hound dog, a little 208 00:18:36,960 --> 00:18:42,880 beagle, and I led her out the back and the yard that I have 209 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:48,200 is about an acre size acre sized lot or so. And then behind me, 210 00:18:48,759 --> 00:18:52,480 the neighbor behind me had twenty five acres that he would use as a 211 00:18:52,119 --> 00:18:56,440 basically a golf course. So it gives you an idea there wasn't much behind 212 00:18:56,480 --> 00:19:02,680 there as far as major mounts of trees or forest or high grass or anything. 213 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:07,559 So anyway, I let the dog out. I bent over, hooked 214 00:19:07,559 --> 00:19:11,039 the dog to the chain. My own dogs started going crazy. Hair on 215 00:19:11,119 --> 00:19:15,519 her back stood up, and she was barking in a violent manner. And 216 00:19:15,559 --> 00:19:21,359 anybody that knows beagles, they're friendly. They don't muck around with nobody. 217 00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:27,240 And it kind of started on that kind of paused, and when I looked 218 00:19:27,319 --> 00:19:33,599 up, this is the first time I saw something, and it's glory, 219 00:19:33,400 --> 00:19:41,400 if you will, what I saw. And this was probably, if I 220 00:19:41,480 --> 00:19:45,240 had to say this, probably about sixty feet away. We had a large 221 00:19:45,319 --> 00:19:48,960 pile of wood that we used for heating. It was by that we had 222 00:19:48,960 --> 00:19:53,920 a burning barrel, like a fifty five gallon drum, but it was on 223 00:19:55,079 --> 00:19:57,559 top of cinder blocks. To give you an idea of the height, so 224 00:19:57,680 --> 00:20:02,839 take a cinderblock laid on it side. Fifty five gallon drum I think is 225 00:20:02,880 --> 00:20:07,000 like thirty six thirty eight inches or something like that. I don't remember. 226 00:20:07,039 --> 00:20:11,799 I work with them for years, I don't remember. But this thing was 227 00:20:11,839 --> 00:20:17,680 standing there, this dog like creature, if you will, now the base 228 00:20:17,720 --> 00:20:21,640 of its neck and its shoulders was just as high as that drum was. 229 00:20:22,359 --> 00:20:25,519 That gives you an idea of how tall this thing was. So you're talking 230 00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:36,200 over forty inches. And its color was a gray, yeah, like a 231 00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:41,319 gun smoked gray. It's kind of light. But it was short, short 232 00:20:41,359 --> 00:20:45,440 hair, a picture like a pit bull or a bulldog or a little Boston 233 00:20:45,519 --> 00:20:48,400 terrier or whatever the case was. It was short hair. And this thing 234 00:20:48,519 --> 00:20:53,319 was standing there and I could see it side to side, and there were 235 00:20:53,359 --> 00:20:59,680 front the back, i should say, and it was very tall, huge 236 00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:04,200 feet. Arms didn't look right as far as what a normal dog would be. 237 00:21:04,799 --> 00:21:10,000 That's the weird thing about it. They were kind of almost like bowed 238 00:21:10,039 --> 00:21:11,240 out. Again, we're going to use like a pit bowl, you know, 239 00:21:11,359 --> 00:21:15,480 get a little stocky pit bowl, and how their front legs kind of 240 00:21:15,519 --> 00:21:19,960 bow out. It was like that. And its eyes, its eyes were 241 00:21:22,359 --> 00:21:27,480 the brightest white I could ever imagine. To give a comparison, it would 242 00:21:27,519 --> 00:21:32,880 be staring at an arc welder if anybody's ever done that by a mistake, 243 00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:38,880 cough cough, I have. It was bright like that, and it startled 244 00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:42,359 me. I didn't know what it was. It was a neighbor down the 245 00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:47,079 street had a great Dane. This had easily a foot on that great Dane. 246 00:21:47,079 --> 00:21:48,640 It was huge, and that great Dan he had was not that color. 247 00:21:51,599 --> 00:21:53,799 I yelled, I was terrified at that point. I stepped back and 248 00:21:55,279 --> 00:22:02,359 said some choice words that any teenager would with his buddies around and they looked 249 00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:07,920 out the sliding door and they saw it as well. They grabbed the firepower. 250 00:22:07,559 --> 00:22:12,640 They went out. One of them had a yeah, another five five 251 00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:18,079 six chamber firearm, and then a twelve gage. They went to engage this 252 00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:22,960 thing, and this thing kind of just looked at him like, really, 253 00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:26,319 it's just how we're going to do this. And this thing proceeded at this 254 00:22:26,359 --> 00:22:33,400 point to walk behind this large pile of wood that we had in a pole 255 00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:38,000 barn. Now it disappeared when they went out there. They turned on the 256 00:22:38,039 --> 00:22:41,440 lights to the cars because that's kind of what we had. We didn't really 257 00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:45,079 have major flashlights or anything. And then there was of course the light on 258 00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:51,039 top of the pole barn, but it didn't do justice for anything behind it. 259 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:55,839 And I'm watching this. I didn't see anything, didn't see anything. 260 00:22:55,880 --> 00:22:59,160 And I'm on the back porch on the second level. I got a thirty 261 00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:03,039 out six. I packed some firepower. I'm looking, I don't see anything 262 00:23:03,039 --> 00:23:06,720 through a scope, and on the corner of my eye to my left, 263 00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:12,319 this would be facing northbound. I cut this thing standing on a side street, 264 00:23:12,559 --> 00:23:17,119 the same one that I had mentioned here just previously with the red eyes. 265 00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:21,759 It was standing there and like it was waiting for me. I whipped 266 00:23:21,799 --> 00:23:27,160 that thirty yacht six around. I looked at it, and now it started 267 00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:30,200 moving and it did. It walked, It walked away. It didn't run 268 00:23:30,319 --> 00:23:34,000 or anything like that, but it was heading towards the main road that was 269 00:23:34,039 --> 00:23:37,839 in front of the house. So I followed it, went to the front 270 00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:41,079 of the house and picked back up on it with the rifle. Now it's 271 00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:47,119 at this corner of the side street and the main road, and again I 272 00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:52,640 put them cross hairs right between its eyes. And I think our yards at 273 00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:56,160 that point, just to give you a distance, I think our lots were 274 00:23:56,200 --> 00:24:02,519 like one hundred and sixty feet and I think that's what they were. I'm 275 00:24:02,519 --> 00:24:06,319 not too sure. So you're talking just over fifty five yards half a football 276 00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:11,640 field roughly. And I was looking at this thing in its eyes and eyes 277 00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:15,480 are still glowing bright. There wasn't much light around it, but they were 278 00:24:15,519 --> 00:24:19,440 still. God, I'm gonna hate saying this. I was thinking about this 279 00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:23,880 earlier. They almost sparkled, And I'm not doing the whole Twilight movie thing 280 00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:27,079 where the vampires sparkled, but they almost sparkled. It was kind of cool. 281 00:24:27,079 --> 00:24:33,920 But at the time I'm looking at this thing. I pulled my head 282 00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:36,880 away from the scope and I looked at this thing. I'm like, what 283 00:24:37,079 --> 00:24:41,799 are you? And I just why shoot it? At that point there is 284 00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:48,319 actually a brief hint of reason in my head and this thing is still staring 285 00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:53,599 at me. It nodded, you know, it nodded as like acknowledging, 286 00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:59,720 you know, almost like thank you for not putting thirty caliber round through my 287 00:24:59,759 --> 00:25:03,640 poor aad. And it just turned towards the main road and from a standing 288 00:25:03,759 --> 00:25:08,160 leap, cleared two lanes of road. It landed on the opposite side of 289 00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:14,559 the road. Now on the opposite side of the road, it was a 290 00:25:14,599 --> 00:25:18,160 little bit wooded pine trees, but I had a fence with a little bit 291 00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:22,119 of barbed wire or on top of it, so you're talking what six eight 292 00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:29,480 foot fence whatever. Second jump over the fence disappeared. That was it again. 293 00:25:29,599 --> 00:25:33,720 This thing never made noise even when it was on the snow. It 294 00:25:33,799 --> 00:25:37,079 did nothing. It just it was just there. How I see it is 295 00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:41,440 it kind of thanked me for not shooting it. Look, you know, 296 00:25:41,799 --> 00:25:47,079 you're welcome, and that was it For a while. I didn't get up 297 00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:52,200 close and personal with anything else until I believe it was I'm gonna say it 298 00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:57,240 was. I think it was winter of ninety three night. Yeah, winter 299 00:25:57,279 --> 00:26:00,759 of ninety three, ninety four. I believe what this. I think I 300 00:26:00,799 --> 00:26:07,480 was like eighteen at the time, and my buddy and I, which for 301 00:26:07,559 --> 00:26:15,839 this road that we were on is I would say the majority of where I 302 00:26:15,039 --> 00:26:22,119 and we have seen multiple dog men, which I'll get into different ones here 303 00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:26,880 and a little bit as to what I've seen, but we decided one day 304 00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:30,240 this is I think it's January of ninety four, mid January ninety four, 305 00:26:30,599 --> 00:26:34,559 and for some reason, I don't know why, I remember the time, 306 00:26:34,799 --> 00:26:40,000 four thirty eight pm. I don't know why. I just do. After 307 00:26:40,039 --> 00:26:48,079 all these years, I remember. But we're sledding now this hill backed up 308 00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:53,640 against State Parkland. And my buddy has always told me different things about Oh 309 00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:57,079 I've seen this, I've seen in stuff in there, and like I mentioned 310 00:26:57,079 --> 00:27:02,519 earlier, one of my buddies got dumped by one. Yeah that was him. 311 00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:08,519 But we're sledding and we're doing our thing or whatever, and a couple 312 00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:11,440 of other kids come up and they're sledden. They stayed for a little while, 313 00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:17,039 and we're sitting at the top of the hill and on my left, 314 00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:21,799 which would be heading west, we heard something crunched through the snow. And 315 00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:27,599 what it was, if it was the sound, if I had to compare 316 00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:32,440 it to anything, it'd be like something pouncing and landing. So I guess 317 00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:33,759 a good way to be it is like if you ever see a winter thing 318 00:27:33,799 --> 00:27:37,839 where a fox is jumping on a mouse. It was like that, but 319 00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:42,200 it was significantly heavier, and we heard it. We kind of looked, 320 00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:48,680 and now it's back in there. It's all pine forest for the most part. 321 00:27:48,839 --> 00:27:52,519 In that area of the park it is pine. Trees are the kind 322 00:27:52,599 --> 00:27:56,680 that you know, the branches don't really start until they're kind of above your 323 00:27:56,720 --> 00:28:04,759 head. And I'd believe at some point it was a mill area for lumber 324 00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:11,640 or something, because the trees it looked like they're in rows. But anyway, 325 00:28:11,799 --> 00:28:15,079 we heard this thing and it was a little bit of a distance off. 326 00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:18,480 I'm gonna say, probably fifty feet we'll say fifty feet or so, 327 00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:23,960 didn't hear anything. We continued talking and everything and watching the kids. At 328 00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:27,079 the end of the run down at the bottom of the hill, we heard 329 00:28:27,079 --> 00:28:30,319 it again and we kind of looked again. We're like, dude, what 330 00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:36,440 is this and we're not seeing anything. But this time it was considerably closer, 331 00:28:37,799 --> 00:28:41,279 and we get kind of a little bit nervous, like we're just not 332 00:28:41,319 --> 00:28:45,400 seeing anything. We're not seeing nothing. And then just a couple minutes later 333 00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:53,039 again just down onto the ground, breaking through the snow and everything, and 334 00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:59,480 at that point my body just froze. I'm like, uh ooh, something's 335 00:28:59,519 --> 00:29:03,079 not right here now. My buddy that was with me, he was sitting 336 00:29:03,119 --> 00:29:08,960 to my right so I would be between him and whatever, just landed. 337 00:29:10,599 --> 00:29:17,559 He leaned past me, and he looked and his eyes got huge, they 338 00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:22,400 welled up, they started he almost started crying. He turned pale, and 339 00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:26,559 then he decided he didn't want to be there anymore. And my buddy at 340 00:29:26,559 --> 00:29:30,839 the time, he was a pretty big boy. He was probably two hundred 341 00:29:30,839 --> 00:29:34,200 and fifty pounds in about five seven or so. So you know, I'm 342 00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:37,559 not knocking him, but it is what it is just to give you an 343 00:29:37,559 --> 00:29:41,119 idea what he did at that point. He took off down the hill. 344 00:29:41,519 --> 00:29:45,599 He had a jump on the hill, grabbed his sled and was running by 345 00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:51,799 the time, and just left me there. He took off towards the main 346 00:29:51,839 --> 00:29:56,720 part of the side road that we're talking about, and I'm like, oh 347 00:29:56,799 --> 00:29:59,559 man, I'm gonna have to face this thing. And I turned my head 348 00:29:59,759 --> 00:30:03,000 kind easy, not fast, not real stupid slow. But I'm looking at 349 00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:07,799 this thing to my left and it's within probably twelve feet ten to twelve feet 350 00:30:07,839 --> 00:30:17,759 maybe, And what I can see through the brush was this was kind of 351 00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:22,279 it was brown, but had kind of like gray undertones. A picture like 352 00:30:22,279 --> 00:30:26,960 a white tailed deer this time of year where they kind of changed their color. 353 00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:32,279 It was like that. It was probably the same length as a deer 354 00:30:32,359 --> 00:30:34,960 would be. It's not crazy long, but it's not crazy short either. 355 00:30:36,839 --> 00:30:41,440 But it had a maine It had a mane on its on its head, 356 00:30:42,599 --> 00:30:48,759 and it stretched onto its shoulders a little bit and then kind of beat off 357 00:30:48,799 --> 00:30:52,359 a little bit about halfway down its back. Now, from what I could 358 00:30:52,359 --> 00:31:00,240 see from its front shoulders to its hindquarters, probably five and a half feet 359 00:31:00,359 --> 00:31:03,400 in length. I mean it was pretty long. It was longer than any 360 00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:08,680 other type of dog that I've seen. I don't recall a tail. Its 361 00:31:08,759 --> 00:31:12,240 chest was fairly large. I mean, I guess, you know, I 362 00:31:12,279 --> 00:31:17,119 hear these other stories and how they have the big, thick barrel chest and 363 00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:21,680 shoulders and then it kind of tapers down to a very a significantly smaller rear 364 00:31:21,759 --> 00:31:26,319 end. Yeah, it was like that. And when this thing moved, 365 00:31:26,759 --> 00:31:30,640 I didn't see a face yet. I'm like, yeah, this is one 366 00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:33,880 of my buddy's friends or something screwing with this in an outfit. And then 367 00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:44,480 it moved, and when it moved you could see muscle definition and again back 368 00:31:44,559 --> 00:31:49,200 end looked like a dog, very muscular. The front end, again it 369 00:31:49,279 --> 00:31:53,599 had these I didn't see hands or claws or anything like that, but it 370 00:31:53,640 --> 00:32:00,240 had arms that did not look like a dog would. They were bowed out. 371 00:32:00,279 --> 00:32:06,240 Again, they were bowed out. To give you an example, hit 372 00:32:06,319 --> 00:32:07,759 the deck and do a push up, and when you when you prep for 373 00:32:07,799 --> 00:32:10,799 a push up, how your arms are bowed out. That's how it is. 374 00:32:12,599 --> 00:32:14,920 That's how this thing looked. And I'm like, man, what is 375 00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:17,440 this thing? And then it started moving behind me, and at that point 376 00:32:17,519 --> 00:32:22,160 I saw a snout. It didn't snarl, I didn't see teeth, but 377 00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:30,680 its snout was significantly large. I I can't even describe the size. It 378 00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:37,160 was larger than that of like a German shepherd, but maybe the base thickness 379 00:32:37,279 --> 00:32:44,000 of like a rottweiler, but long like a German shepherd. And it moved 380 00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:49,000 and it was quiet, I mean not not completely quiet, not completely silent, 381 00:32:49,519 --> 00:32:54,759 but it was very quiet and calculated in its moves. And I'm watching 382 00:32:54,799 --> 00:32:59,039 this thing, and I'm all I'm doing is I'm turning my upper half of 383 00:32:59,079 --> 00:33:01,400 my body, just watching this thing, keeping an eye on it. I 384 00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:07,319 didn't move anything outside of that. Now, what happened. This thing was 385 00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:14,400 coming across me, and it got to a certain point before I couldn't turn 386 00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:17,160 anymore, and I'm just barely forcing my eyes to stay on this thing. 387 00:33:17,599 --> 00:33:22,559 This thing turned towards me. It didn't have the red eyes or the gold 388 00:33:22,599 --> 00:33:27,160 eyes. It had black eyes. I mean, yeah, there was, 389 00:33:27,279 --> 00:33:30,359 it was just dark. There was. It was almost like they were non 390 00:33:30,359 --> 00:33:34,279 existent, but you can still see a slight shine from it. Didn't see 391 00:33:34,279 --> 00:33:37,480 any breath out of it or anything like that. But when this thing turned 392 00:33:37,519 --> 00:33:42,960 towards me, it crouched down as like an ambush predator, a cat. 393 00:33:43,759 --> 00:33:46,720 That would be the way that this thing kind of crouched down, and the 394 00:33:46,799 --> 00:33:52,680 look on his face is, yeah, we're gonna make something to you. 395 00:33:53,039 --> 00:33:57,680 And at that point that was my you to get the heck out of Dodge. 396 00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:02,599 Yeah, that was that was pretty spooky. That was my first first 397 00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:09,840 time outside of the silhouette seeing something that close and with that much detail. 398 00:34:10,679 --> 00:34:22,079 Weight of this thing man muscle size in maybe four hundred pounds maybe, I 399 00:34:22,079 --> 00:34:27,039 don't know. I didn't ask. Other than that, for the rest of 400 00:34:27,079 --> 00:34:30,480 the year, it kind of stayed quiet. I didn't didn't really see anything. 401 00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:36,159 And then again I didn't really make any huge amounts of effort to go 402 00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:39,440 out into the woods, especially after that and then you know, ah, 403 00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:49,679 no the howling man. But didn't really see anything for the most part of 404 00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:59,559 the year. Next time that I ran across something, same back road, 405 00:34:59,599 --> 00:35:04,760 just farther in the east of it, where you know it's between one road 406 00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:10,400 and another. This was at the far east end of this and that was 407 00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:15,079 October of ninety four. I was out with a couple of friends, same 408 00:35:15,119 --> 00:35:22,079 guy, and we've heard more stories about these things and now you're kind of 409 00:35:22,119 --> 00:35:25,880 believing these things. You can't deny it. It's in your face. We 410 00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:35,000 had gone out and further down this park there's a place where people will run 411 00:35:35,039 --> 00:35:38,840 their horses and certain times of the season they'll take their dogs out for a 412 00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:45,280 bird training. And on the left side of this this is on the south 413 00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:52,280 side of the road, so been the east side there's a swamp. And 414 00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:57,599 again October ninety four, clear night, full moon, beautiful night. The 415 00:35:57,639 --> 00:36:01,840 whole thing had that glow. And one friend and I we just stayed in 416 00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:06,559 the truck. One buddy decided, Hey, I'm going to go check this 417 00:36:06,599 --> 00:36:09,960 out. I got a feeling about something. You do you man, you 418 00:36:10,039 --> 00:36:15,280 do you? And he decided to go down this trail. Now it's a 419 00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:19,760 maintained trail. It's fairly groomed. Again, like I said, they had 420 00:36:20,079 --> 00:36:23,239 horses going through it and everything like that. And he had gotten down to 421 00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:31,039 the where the swamp area is and between the main trail and the swamp is 422 00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:37,320 probably forty feet or so, but it has the tall grass between the trail 423 00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:42,119 and the swamp. We're watching him walking down there and everything. He's being 424 00:36:42,159 --> 00:36:47,519 all cautious. Then a friend and I we caught something. It was behind 425 00:36:47,639 --> 00:36:52,719 him, but coming out of the swamp, and it was white. I 426 00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:55,599 mean it is either light gray or white. I mean it was. It 427 00:36:55,639 --> 00:37:01,719 almost glowed in the moonlight. And like, what is this thing? And 428 00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:06,639 right around that same time, it jumped out. It cleared all of that 429 00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:15,320 tall grass and landed behind our buddy and he turned around. He obviously startled, 430 00:37:15,119 --> 00:37:20,719 and he turned around faced this thing. And I couldn't see much of 431 00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:22,440 it at that point, so I couldn't really tell you a size yet, 432 00:37:23,639 --> 00:37:28,440 but what had happened? This thing darted back off in towards the swamp. 433 00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:32,599 Buddy come running up to the truck that his dad had, and he had 434 00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:40,400 like a Dodge Ram pickup sort, and he ran up fast as he could. 435 00:37:40,599 --> 00:37:45,920 He got up there fairly quick, and we decided to take off and 436 00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:52,920 he peeled out of this park area and he got out onto the side road 437 00:37:52,559 --> 00:37:57,880 and I'm looking. I'm looking now he's bringing up dust and everything like that. 438 00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:00,840 But I'm watching from where this where the swamp was at, and I'm 439 00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:04,199 like, hey, dude, he's what he's you know, he's paying it 440 00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:08,360 obviously, Like dude, you got to get moving. And he's like what 441 00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:12,320 what? I said, whatever it is that you picked off down there, 442 00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:17,000 it's coming for you. And I watched this thing run up a trail and 443 00:38:17,079 --> 00:38:21,320 as it was going up a hill, there's like a like a guard rail 444 00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:27,000 for people where they would park, and this thing cleared it and it shot 445 00:38:27,039 --> 00:38:30,960 across that parking lot and out onto that side road. And my buddy, 446 00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:36,719 I think, if I have to remember, he was doing maybe forty five 447 00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:39,079 fifty at the time, and this thing was gaining on This thing was moving. 448 00:38:39,159 --> 00:38:45,239 I mean, there's no joke about it, and it was. It 449 00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:50,280 was long like the one I had mentioned that we saw on a sledding hill, 450 00:38:51,199 --> 00:38:58,840 but it was considerably shorter, but it was more stocky if you will, 451 00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:04,880 length of the hare or for if you will, I couldn't tell you. 452 00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:08,440 I think it was longer, but it wasn't. It wasn't. It 453 00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:15,800 definitely wasn't short. This thing was pretty big and it only followed us for 454 00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:20,760 a short period of time, just a few seconds, and then it darted 455 00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:23,440 off back into the woods. And that was the extent of it. That 456 00:39:23,559 --> 00:39:27,480 was it. I mean, it was done and over. It didn't chase 457 00:39:27,559 --> 00:39:31,039 us down in where his house was, where he was living at the time, 458 00:39:31,519 --> 00:39:37,679 since moved, but this road, this dirt part of this road. 459 00:39:37,079 --> 00:39:40,960 He had the two main roads north and south, east and west on this 460 00:39:42,199 --> 00:39:45,559 road. He was at the west end of that road. Across the street 461 00:39:45,599 --> 00:39:50,760 there's an old flare haul there, so he made a quick time of that 462 00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:55,280 to get back to the house. After that. Again, it was October 463 00:39:55,400 --> 00:40:00,639 ninety four, something happened to him. It was called life. Now. 464 00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:05,960 That's where everything just kind of went quiet. Didn't really go out there for 465 00:40:06,079 --> 00:40:09,039 quite a few years. I think it's between that time, late ninety four 466 00:40:09,199 --> 00:40:15,320 and there was like ninety eight before I started going back out that way, 467 00:40:15,559 --> 00:40:22,840 and I think it was getting into I think it was ninety nine. Yeah, 468 00:40:23,039 --> 00:40:28,880 I think it was summer of ninety nine is when we started driving around 469 00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:32,119 back there and not going the woods, just driving around at night. Our 470 00:40:32,119 --> 00:40:36,880 friends and I would do this. We'd just travel back roads and talk and 471 00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:42,360 get philosophical and all that. One of my other buddies and I we went 472 00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:46,360 back there and main highway goes through. We turned off of that to go 473 00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:54,599 on to the side road, and I had a spotlight, two million candlepower 474 00:40:54,639 --> 00:40:58,159 spotlight that we just take, you know, just in case we think we 475 00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:02,159 see something, you know, we can light something up, and that ended 476 00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:07,679 up being the case. We had turned on this side road and what had 477 00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:14,280 happened was there's an old dam or something. It used to be a mill 478 00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:16,679 back in a day or whatever, but you know, it's an old remnants 479 00:41:16,679 --> 00:41:22,840 of a dam that was there. And by this was fairly tall. Tree 480 00:41:22,079 --> 00:41:28,119 wasn't crazy huge, maybe ten fifteen feet at tops, yeah, we'll say 481 00:41:28,119 --> 00:41:32,320 fifteen trying to put stuff into measurements here, and for some reason it was 482 00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:37,840 just weird. It caught my attention because there was a ton of way you 483 00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:42,800 called them lightning bugs or fireflies whatever, that was kind of swarming around this 484 00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:45,519 tree. We're driving some I dude, check out. It's kind of cool, 485 00:41:45,559 --> 00:41:52,679 you know, but there were a couple of lightning bugs that were significantly 486 00:41:52,800 --> 00:42:00,000 larger and didn't flicker on and off, and they really caught my attention. 487 00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:07,280 Give you a distance seventy five feet between us and this tree, and we 488 00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:10,760 see it and we notice it. Dude, give me that light. Take 489 00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:15,000 that light out, two million candle power, boom, instantly, I light 490 00:42:15,119 --> 00:42:22,760 this thing up. I don't I don't know if that would have been sasquatch 491 00:42:22,079 --> 00:42:28,039 or a smaller sasquatch or if it was a dog man or a critter as 492 00:42:28,079 --> 00:42:35,880 I call him. But this thing had a lighter brown fur. And I 493 00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:39,280 didn't see a face at that point because you put two million candle power in 494 00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:43,960 the face of anything and it's kind of planking what this did. This is 495 00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:49,280 where I noticed hands and claws because it blocked the light with its right hand, 496 00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:52,960 and at that time I saw the fingers and the claws in the arms. 497 00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:59,039 If I had to say anything on a height maybe between six and seven 498 00:42:59,079 --> 00:43:08,079 feet, it wasn't huge. Even shoulder with wasn't crazy. It wasn't muscular. 499 00:43:09,199 --> 00:43:13,320 The hair color, like I said, with the brownish color length of 500 00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:20,199 it. A good reference would be checking out Back in the eighties, Ozzy 501 00:43:20,199 --> 00:43:24,320 Osbourne had done an album called Bark at the Moon where he had dressed up 502 00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:29,360 like a werewolf or whatever. That's what it looked like. I mean, 503 00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:32,199 that's that's the only thing that I can say is what it looked like. 504 00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:36,559 The hair, the length of it, the fingers, the claws, the 505 00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:43,039 arms. That's that's what it looked like. It was at that point, 506 00:43:44,199 --> 00:43:46,760 I didn't even go farther. At that point. I actually backed out onto 507 00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:52,880 the main road, which was probably a couple hundred feet out. I just 508 00:43:52,880 --> 00:44:00,119 just didn't want to go that way anymore and kind of stayed away. Oh 509 00:44:00,199 --> 00:44:02,360 ma'am, what else had happened? I think we stayed away from that point, 510 00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:07,159 but we would drive around. We'd still drive around. You know, 511 00:44:07,199 --> 00:44:09,719 you get up to curd we're going to drive around or whatever, you know, 512 00:44:10,599 --> 00:44:16,519 future time. And I don't even know what this was, but we 513 00:44:16,559 --> 00:44:22,480 had gone back into this park. And at this park there's an old ranger 514 00:44:22,639 --> 00:44:29,840 station, a house or whatever for the state park, and it's long been 515 00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:35,840 abandoned, and we were driving around at this time. I didn't have my 516 00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:38,639 light. I didn't have it anymore. It broke or whatever. But there's 517 00:44:38,679 --> 00:44:45,239 an old abandoned ranger station for y'all that may want to reference this. There 518 00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:50,280 was a remake of a movie called Red Dawn. It is back in twenty 519 00:44:50,559 --> 00:44:58,880 twelve, and during this movie, there's a I call it the cabin scene, 520 00:44:59,159 --> 00:45:01,880 and if you look it up on YouTube, there's a scene where the 521 00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:07,440 bad guys come out with the two guys fathers and they're talking to the kids 522 00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:13,679 that are hiding in the woods. Yeah, that's the place, and with 523 00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:17,960 a lot of this stuff that went on that I've seen, even stuff I 524 00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:22,000 haven't. I haven't told you yet. A lot of this is in that 525 00:45:22,159 --> 00:45:29,119 area, including this slighting hill. The sledding hill is on the northwest corner 526 00:45:29,199 --> 00:45:34,039 of that park. But anyway, we just throw around in This old beat 527 00:45:34,119 --> 00:45:37,280 up ranger station had some weird stuff to it, you know, it's all 528 00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:43,159 old and creepy, and I sent a picture of it earlier. There was 529 00:45:44,239 --> 00:45:51,800 windows and part of a wall that was busted outwards. And usually if you're 530 00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:55,920 going to break into something that the brigos in. No, this was from 531 00:45:57,000 --> 00:46:00,440 outwards, from the inside out. It's kind of looking at is weird. 532 00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:06,039 But at that point we saw a set of eyes in the upper right hand 533 00:46:06,079 --> 00:46:15,719 window, and that was kind of it was. It wasn't scary. It 534 00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:19,960 was a yeah, I'm hearing you see me. And the only thing that 535 00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:23,920 we had for light was just the high beams on my buddy's trup. And 536 00:46:24,119 --> 00:46:30,000 these eyes, man, I've only seen them a couple of times. They're 537 00:46:30,039 --> 00:46:32,440 they're beautiful. I mean, that's the only way that I can describe it. 538 00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:36,360 In fact, I was doing a little research today and the color that 539 00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:39,320 I found closest to it. Again, you guys want to get an idea 540 00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:45,800 of what I'm looking at for specifics, look up a sky blue topaz that 541 00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:49,199 was the color of these things. They're just absolutely beautiful. I mean, 542 00:46:50,039 --> 00:46:57,000 but you couldn't really make out a silhouette of anything, but you knew something 543 00:46:57,159 --> 00:47:00,719 was there because it would blink and then it would kind of move its head 544 00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:04,159 and kind of shift a little bit from side to side and kind of dump 545 00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:07,760 down a little bit. But it didn't do anything. It didn't come out 546 00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:10,920 after us, it didn't run away, and at that point we just left. 547 00:47:12,159 --> 00:47:15,800 I mean, it's just one of those things. It's weird getting back 548 00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:20,599 on it. I can't get over it enough of how these knock on wood. 549 00:47:20,599 --> 00:47:27,199 Again, I've never had violent or scary encounters with these things. I 550 00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:32,360 can't get over it for me. Yeah, anyway back into this now winter 551 00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:38,599 of ninety nine, we had gone back out in this area, same body 552 00:47:38,639 --> 00:47:43,360 I was with on that last detail I gave youbody else. So at this 553 00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:49,480 time had a female friend from his work and I had actually picked up a 554 00:47:49,559 --> 00:47:55,239 new spotlight at that point, and she was on board with a lot of 555 00:47:55,239 --> 00:47:59,800 these conversations because you know, it's kind of a weird thing. To bring 556 00:47:59,880 --> 00:48:00,920 up to people, but you know, she was on board with it. 557 00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:06,159 Now, this girl, I believed that she was, oh man, I 558 00:48:06,199 --> 00:48:10,719 think she was from Arizona. I believe it was Arizona because she had run 559 00:48:10,719 --> 00:48:16,159 ins with Skinwalker. I think that was a Skinwalker there, so she had 560 00:48:16,199 --> 00:48:22,960 issues with Skinwalker's. It was how kai had they even mentioned here recently? 561 00:48:22,039 --> 00:48:25,679 Yeah, I kind of only want to say their names a very few amount 562 00:48:25,679 --> 00:48:31,199 of times, and unfortunately I'm not getting the message. That's just on me. 563 00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:37,519 Other than that, again, it just it just kind of went silent 564 00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:42,360 after that. After we had left, and that was it. I mean 565 00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:47,880 I didn't really see anything for quite a few years again. And that would 566 00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:55,920 bring us to two thousand and four. Two thousand and four had some pretty 567 00:48:55,960 --> 00:49:02,880 interesting experiences with that. Yay, actually saw my first set of tracks that 568 00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:09,480 It was kind of cool. Big but we'll start in July of ninety four. 569 00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:14,719 Personal note, the wife I had a time or and I had split 570 00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:19,719 up, so a lot of my belongings were in my car. Yeah, 571 00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:24,239 including a little mosen the Gaunt rifle M forty four for any of you gun 572 00:49:24,239 --> 00:49:31,159 people out there with bayonet anyway. Summer ninety four rolls around and of July 573 00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:39,079 actually, and there are a couple issues. I went down again by where 574 00:49:39,119 --> 00:49:44,119 that old ranger station was at and on the little road that went further back 575 00:49:44,159 --> 00:49:47,119 in the park, they had it's like a baseball diamond, a softball diamond, 576 00:49:47,199 --> 00:49:52,280 whatever, So I know y'all can imagine the size of those. I 577 00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:53,519 just drove down there. Something told me to do it. And this was 578 00:49:53,559 --> 00:49:58,039 like after work, and I think it was on a Saturdays. I only 579 00:49:58,039 --> 00:50:02,280 worked until like two thirty in the afternoon, and I went down there and 580 00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:07,719 again keep in mind what I have in the vehicle. I drove down there 581 00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:13,320 and parked in the field of the baseball diamond. There was a DNR officer 582 00:50:13,719 --> 00:50:17,079 or should I say DNR officer vehicle. It was a truck. And this 583 00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:22,280 it struck me as weird because it was just there, not in a parking 584 00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:29,119 area, in the middle of this baseball field, door wide open and running. 585 00:50:30,679 --> 00:50:35,559 I just I don't know of anyone who would just do that. There's 586 00:50:35,599 --> 00:50:38,519 no outhouses around or anything like the guy had to go have a break or 587 00:50:38,599 --> 00:50:45,159 something like that. There's nothing. And having come from EMS or police background 588 00:50:45,239 --> 00:50:50,320 or whatever, be it friends or family or whatever, you just don't do 589 00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:52,480 that. You just don't leave your vehicle wide open, running and abandon it. 590 00:50:52,480 --> 00:51:00,440 It was strange. And I walked over between it and the infield and 591 00:51:01,079 --> 00:51:04,119 I'm looking around, looking around, and all of a sudden, I started 592 00:51:04,119 --> 00:51:09,119 hearing stuff. It was running, but you could tell definitely whatever it was 593 00:51:09,119 --> 00:51:14,840 was heavy and on two feet. And I heard it in one spot and 594 00:51:14,920 --> 00:51:17,920 I heard it in another. It was almost like they were whatever it was, 595 00:51:19,039 --> 00:51:23,360 one would advance a next amount of feet, and then another would advance 596 00:51:23,639 --> 00:51:27,400 a next amount of feet. And this went on for a few minutes. 597 00:51:28,559 --> 00:51:34,559 And this whole experience here probably lasted less than ten minutes, so it was 598 00:51:34,639 --> 00:51:37,519 just a couple of minutes, a few minutes. And I started getting a 599 00:51:37,559 --> 00:51:40,920 little nervy because now I'm getting stuff from in front of me. Can't see 600 00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:45,559 it not that far away, because just beyond the baseball diamonds was wood, 601 00:51:45,599 --> 00:51:52,800 swamp, thick brush, whatever, and looking don't see anything. I go 602 00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:55,840 back to my car, and oh my god, this is going to be 603 00:51:55,880 --> 00:52:00,440 self incriminating, but it is what it is for my experience. I grabbed 604 00:52:00,440 --> 00:52:07,079 that mosen and I put five rounds in it and won in a pipe and 605 00:52:08,599 --> 00:52:13,960 it was almost like a almost like a flight or fight. How they say 606 00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:20,039 that, But I haven't got that far to the flight part. And when 607 00:52:20,079 --> 00:52:23,320 I did that, that was a it was a big mistake. I didn't 608 00:52:23,320 --> 00:52:29,800 get attacked. I didn't hear anything. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. When 609 00:52:29,880 --> 00:52:31,880 I mean here, I didn't hear anything. I didn't hear growls or howling 610 00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:37,519 or anything weird like that. I didn't hear any obviously. I didn't hear 611 00:52:37,519 --> 00:52:40,199 a DNR officer prize, put your hands up, you know, nothing like 612 00:52:40,239 --> 00:52:46,920 that. And I started getting surrounded and it was heavy. It was getting 613 00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:52,360 closer, and I was literally surrounded on three hundred and sixty degrees, I 614 00:52:52,360 --> 00:52:57,760 mean, and how many I couldn't tell you. I don't know. There 615 00:52:57,840 --> 00:53:02,519 was enough to surround me. Didn't anything. Now, one thing that I 616 00:53:02,519 --> 00:53:07,760 did experience with that again, I heard just the footsteps or running or whatever. 617 00:53:08,119 --> 00:53:13,119 I felt it. And I don't know what this is. And I 618 00:53:13,239 --> 00:53:19,239 felt this a couple of times. It's it's I guess I've heard stories about 619 00:53:19,239 --> 00:53:25,719 it where with sasquatch or even tigers, they emit some type of frequency that 620 00:53:25,840 --> 00:53:30,400 allows it it does something to its prey to make it go and make it 621 00:53:30,440 --> 00:53:36,320 stop, and it was almost that type of feeling. And at that point 622 00:53:37,360 --> 00:53:39,159 I just I said, man, I'm outnumbered here. There's more of these 623 00:53:39,199 --> 00:53:43,920 things than I got rounds of AMMO And could I stop them? No, 624 00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:49,159 we know it better. But I unloaded the firearms, throw it in the 625 00:53:49,159 --> 00:53:54,119 trunk of my car through the animal back in the glove box, and I 626 00:53:54,199 --> 00:53:59,199 just laughed. That was it. That was strange again. That was July 627 00:53:59,360 --> 00:54:09,440 of four, and then later part of July had an interesting experience. New 628 00:54:09,480 --> 00:54:14,639 Girl I was singing. Her brothers and some of their friends had rented a 629 00:54:14,760 --> 00:54:21,800 cabin that was on the same side road as where the Ranger Station had just 630 00:54:21,840 --> 00:54:24,719 a little further down, still the same park, whatever the case was, 631 00:54:25,280 --> 00:54:28,480 I was gonna go there and visit them that night. They were having a 632 00:54:28,559 --> 00:54:37,480 little get together whatever, And a couple of things happened. When I turned 633 00:54:37,480 --> 00:54:45,159 onto this off road we'll call it hint Hint, pettybone. I turned on 634 00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:52,599 there, and I noticed brush moving, and it was a lot of brush 635 00:54:52,719 --> 00:54:59,039 moving. And now it was getting late. I don't think it was quite 636 00:54:59,039 --> 00:55:00,760 ten o'clock yet, it was getting kind of late. I don't recall it. 637 00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:04,119 I think there was a moon out. I don't remember for it's full 638 00:55:04,119 --> 00:55:07,880 moon or whatever. But either way, I'm driving down this road and along 639 00:55:07,920 --> 00:55:14,280 the embankment, just a few feet into the tree line. On occasion, 640 00:55:14,400 --> 00:55:21,119 I would either see something very tall and running now that had dog feet I'm 641 00:55:21,119 --> 00:55:25,599 sorry, dog legs, if you will, and human type arms, and 642 00:55:25,920 --> 00:55:30,199 the large canine head with the long snout, the big ears, and on 643 00:55:30,239 --> 00:55:37,199 occasion I would see some running just on all fours. If anyone wasn't wiser, 644 00:55:37,239 --> 00:55:38,960 they would to say it was like a large wolf, maybe something like 645 00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:45,440 a large timberwolf something they had a little more oomph to it, fairly long. 646 00:55:45,639 --> 00:55:51,639 Again, I just don't recall ever seeing tails on any of those ones. 647 00:55:52,239 --> 00:55:54,559 But anyway, half mile three, quarter mile down the road, I 648 00:55:54,639 --> 00:56:01,000 finally get to this part, and just before that this entrance driveway, if 649 00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:05,880 you will, these things just kind of darted off into the woods. They 650 00:56:05,880 --> 00:56:12,480 are on my right side, south west side of the road, and before 651 00:56:12,519 --> 00:56:15,239 I got there, they just kind of darted off disappeared, like what in 652 00:56:15,280 --> 00:56:17,360 the world. That was just strange. I'm going to have fun explaining this 653 00:56:17,400 --> 00:56:24,440 one to the people at this park, this cabin, I'm sorry. And 654 00:56:24,480 --> 00:56:28,599 the girl I was seeing in one of her younger brothers. She had two 655 00:56:28,639 --> 00:56:32,239 of them. I think he was maybe fourteen fifteen at the time. And 656 00:56:34,320 --> 00:56:37,760 I got out of the car. He's like, oh, yeah, I 657 00:56:37,800 --> 00:56:39,480 knew you were coming. I'm like, dude, how do you know I 658 00:56:39,519 --> 00:56:43,840 was coming. I didn't tell anybody about your sister. He's like, yeah, 659 00:56:43,880 --> 00:56:49,079 but they came. They're waiting, he said something on that line. 660 00:56:49,119 --> 00:56:52,320 It was just and I'm like, what are you talking about? They and 661 00:56:52,360 --> 00:56:58,599 he started pointing. Now he's pointing to the woodline of war I just came 662 00:56:58,599 --> 00:57:00,360 from. And man, Vic, I tell you, it was crazy. 663 00:57:00,400 --> 00:57:05,840 There is probably at least ten of these things. There had to have been. 664 00:57:05,960 --> 00:57:07,199 I mean, because again, it was one of those things where he 665 00:57:07,280 --> 00:57:13,599 got surrounded and the two brothers, you know, they're just like, yeah, 666 00:57:13,639 --> 00:57:16,119 we know, we've seen them before. And the younger brother is very 667 00:57:16,159 --> 00:57:22,760 spiritual. He's one of those people that could tell you what's going to happen 668 00:57:22,840 --> 00:57:24,760 to you. When he was a child, he would tell you things that 669 00:57:24,800 --> 00:57:28,760 were going to happen to you, and they would end up coming into truision. 670 00:57:29,360 --> 00:57:34,320 But anyway back to this, it was weird. Again, it wasn't 671 00:57:34,480 --> 00:57:39,679 scary. There's nothing intimidating about this we'll say yet. But they're all different 672 00:57:39,679 --> 00:57:44,719 sizes your typical year six to seven feet maybe a couple of them, a 673 00:57:44,760 --> 00:57:47,800 couple of them were pretty hefty in size, pretty tall from what I could 674 00:57:47,880 --> 00:57:52,559 tell. Again, i'm dealing with silhouettes here, so colors are out of 675 00:57:52,599 --> 00:57:57,480 the question at this point because they're just in the wood line, just out 676 00:57:57,519 --> 00:58:02,559 of the reach of the campfire and the light on the cabin. And I'm 677 00:58:02,599 --> 00:58:07,559 watching these things, and we're watching and we're like, are these guys acting 678 00:58:07,599 --> 00:58:10,880 like idiots? What's wrong with them? I mean, it was one of 679 00:58:10,920 --> 00:58:15,239 those things again you talk about a dog man. You're thinking something that's going 680 00:58:15,320 --> 00:58:19,199 to have a purpose and the way that it moves. But it was weird. 681 00:58:19,519 --> 00:58:22,039 The only way that can kind of describe it as sit out in an 682 00:58:22,079 --> 00:58:28,559 early fall day or late fall day, whatever and watch the squirrels chasing each 683 00:58:28,559 --> 00:58:31,519 other and act in the full. That's what these things were doing. It 684 00:58:31,599 --> 00:58:37,000 was really strange. It was you'd see one and it would be standing behind 685 00:58:37,000 --> 00:58:40,480 a tree, and obviously it's larger than a tree. Again, this is 686 00:58:40,480 --> 00:58:46,119 more like pine tree areas again, where the branches don't start until you know 687 00:58:46,159 --> 00:58:51,719 above your head. It's like what are you trying to hide behind? It's 688 00:58:51,800 --> 00:58:57,920 ridiculous. And some would run on all fours and disappear and then they would 689 00:58:57,960 --> 00:59:04,119 come back. But for the most part they surround this and they just watched. 690 00:59:04,880 --> 00:59:07,440 On occasion, you would catch a glowing eye, usually white, like 691 00:59:07,480 --> 00:59:13,800 that bright white that I was telling me about from earlier, and man, 692 00:59:13,840 --> 00:59:19,199 it was they didn't do much of anything. They just ran around acting the 693 00:59:19,239 --> 00:59:22,880 fool. I mean, they would check us out and stuff. And one 694 00:59:22,920 --> 00:59:25,679 that was interesting. It was one of the bigger ones. It was going 695 00:59:25,679 --> 00:59:30,039 from tree to tree and I don't remember exactly how far it was. If 696 00:59:30,079 --> 00:59:36,320 I had to guess, I'm gonna say probably twenty feet. And I'm watching 697 00:59:36,320 --> 00:59:43,239 this thing and imagine a dog man six seven feet in height tried a tiptoe 698 00:59:43,320 --> 00:59:45,039 from tree to tree and this is what this blasted thing did. I'm like, 699 00:59:45,119 --> 00:59:47,639 what in the world. And then a couple of them, like I 700 00:59:47,639 --> 00:59:52,360 said, they would just run on all fours and just disappear, and then 701 00:59:52,719 --> 00:59:57,440 one came close. This sounds like a great spot to stop tonight's show, 702 00:59:57,480 --> 01:00:00,960 But don't forget to come back Monday night and catch a part two. But 703 01:00:00,039 --> 01:00:02,760 having said that, before we get out of here If you've had a dogman 704 01:00:02,880 --> 01:00:06,280 encounter of your own and would like to be a guest on the show, 705 01:00:06,400 --> 01:00:09,559 or just talk with me in private about it, please go to Dogmanencounters dot 706 01:00:09,599 --> 01:00:14,840 com and let me know. Thanks again so much for listening, and have 707 01:00:14,920 --> 01:00:15,559 a great night.