WEBVTT 1 00:00:04.719 --> 00:00:10.240 A passionate instigator and dynamic problem solver. Doctor Kevin ross Emery, the host 2 00:00:10.279 --> 00:00:14.279 of the Doctor Kevin Radio Show. We'll be taking you outside the box, 3 00:00:14.560 --> 00:00:19.399 behind the curtain and identifying the load of bs we are fed every day. 4 00:00:19.760 --> 00:00:30.239 And now Doctor Kevin, Hello, Hello, Hello, Welcome to the Doctor 5 00:00:30.320 --> 00:00:35.520 Kevin Show here on own time, where we're changing the world. Thank for 6 00:00:35.640 --> 00:00:40.399 it one ooh of the time. Here on the first Thursday of the month, 7 00:00:40.719 --> 00:00:44.679 we do as we always do, which is we kidnap Matt Connerton from 8 00:00:44.679 --> 00:00:49.000 Matt Cornerston unleashed. We take him, we pluck him right up after his 9 00:00:50.200 --> 00:00:56.719 own radio show from four to six Mondays through Friday on WMNH ninety five point 10 00:00:56.759 --> 00:01:03.719 three emer What you can listen to is Drivetime Show at Matt Coonton dot com 11 00:01:03.840 --> 00:01:08.319 or ipmnation dot com. You can listen to it anywhere in the world, 12 00:01:08.640 --> 00:01:15.480 way in on all of whatever Matt's doing, whether he is hosting local bands 13 00:01:15.640 --> 00:01:23.519 and sharing music or whether he's talking politics. We bring Matt over, we 14 00:01:23.799 --> 00:01:29.079 pluck him out of Matt Connerton unleashed, We drop him into the Doctor Kevin 15 00:01:29.120 --> 00:01:33.799 world, mostly to discuss politics, though we do vary. We do have 16 00:01:34.480 --> 00:01:38.920 a variety of things that will hedge around. We'll talk about, but we 17 00:01:40.040 --> 00:01:46.879 mostly like to just get Matt's perspective because Matt does not consider himself either a 18 00:01:47.480 --> 00:01:53.359 Democratic or Republican. He considers himself an independent that makes independent decisions. But 19 00:01:53.519 --> 00:02:00.680 you know, with our current political situation, Matt, if you had one 20 00:02:01.280 --> 00:02:06.120 one or two words for today's current political situation, what would those one or 21 00:02:06.159 --> 00:02:12.759 two words be. Oh, I don't know, fober, what was kind 22 00:02:12.759 --> 00:02:16.639 of thinking ship show? But you know, you know, but if you 23 00:02:16.639 --> 00:02:20.199 would like to be part of this conversation, you could do so by calling 24 00:02:20.280 --> 00:02:23.280 two O two five seven H seven O five seven. That's two O two 25 00:02:23.360 --> 00:02:28.080 five seven seven O five seven. And as long as your commentary is respectful, 26 00:02:28.599 --> 00:02:31.000 we'll continue to let you make it. If it's not, we food 27 00:02:31.039 --> 00:02:36.159 bos should show you and throw your ass off the air, right, Matt, 28 00:02:37.560 --> 00:02:43.599 that's right, Unlike the Matt Hunterson Show, where the more the more 29 00:02:43.599 --> 00:02:49.199 disrespectful it is, the more Matt laughs and loves it. That's also right. 30 00:02:52.439 --> 00:02:54.960 So Matt, you know, it's so sad that there's just nothing going 31 00:02:55.039 --> 00:02:59.439 on in the world today. We can talk about what I mean, I 32 00:02:59.479 --> 00:03:02.599 mean, I mean your show must have been full of empty air recently because 33 00:03:02.599 --> 00:03:09.560 there's so little going on. Oh I know, I know it. I'm 34 00:03:09.560 --> 00:03:13.520 sure if you dig down deep, there must be a few things that you 35 00:03:13.560 --> 00:03:19.360 can comment on in this month, Doctor Kevin meets the political reality world of 36 00:03:19.400 --> 00:03:23.159 Matt Carterton. What's been the hot topics on your show this week? Well, 37 00:03:23.199 --> 00:03:28.319 those last four weeks? Should I say? Oh? God, I 38 00:03:28.319 --> 00:03:31.159 don't know. It's all over the place. There's always so much. It's 39 00:03:31.159 --> 00:03:34.800 hard to pick something. I mean, if you ask me, if you 40 00:03:34.840 --> 00:03:39.439 ask me something, I can probably tell you what we talked about around it, 41 00:03:39.520 --> 00:03:43.919 because we probably did talk about it. But it's hard to pick things 42 00:03:44.000 --> 00:03:50.879 at this point because there's just so much. So I'd like to get your 43 00:03:50.879 --> 00:03:59.280 commentary or your thoughts on the whole Elon musque turning off the satellite link when 44 00:04:00.000 --> 00:04:04.719 I was getting ready to send a bunch of drones after the Russian navy that 45 00:04:04.840 --> 00:04:11.840 were that we're trying to shut stuff off, shut off the I believe it 46 00:04:11.879 --> 00:04:17.240 was the wheat sale, and that he shut off of the drones couldn't be 47 00:04:17.399 --> 00:04:23.680 used saying that he feared nuclear retaliation. What did you guys come up with 48 00:04:23.839 --> 00:04:30.319 around that? Is? Elon well being conservative or is he is he being 49 00:04:30.439 --> 00:04:36.279 a Russian bought trader? Well, you know what I actually admit, So 50 00:04:36.480 --> 00:04:42.879 you got me. We actually haven't talked about that on the show. I 51 00:04:42.879 --> 00:04:46.560 don't know. I mean I don't. I don't trust the guy, uh, 52 00:04:47.600 --> 00:04:53.959 certainly, but I don't. I don't know a lot of the details 53 00:04:54.000 --> 00:04:58.560 around that. I mean, the last time I talked about Elon Musk, 54 00:04:58.720 --> 00:05:00.240 I mean, we did talk about him the show recently, but it was 55 00:05:01.040 --> 00:05:09.720 but had to do with he's suing the Anti Defamation League forward defamation or accusing 56 00:05:09.800 --> 00:05:14.240 him of defamation or something some other silly thing. So I don't know a 57 00:05:14.240 --> 00:05:18.920 lot of the details around this, specifically what you've asked me about. Yeah, 58 00:05:19.040 --> 00:05:25.000 well, it was reported both on The Daily Beast and CNN that as 59 00:05:25.399 --> 00:05:30.839 your Ukraine was getting ready to do a counter offense against the Russian navy that 60 00:05:30.920 --> 00:05:35.439 he turned the link down and that's what he said, that he was afraid 61 00:05:35.480 --> 00:05:43.279 of nuclear retaliation. But I you know, there there was a lot of 62 00:05:43.319 --> 00:05:53.720 discussion around should Elon Musk have that much power to affect or should we as 63 00:05:53.720 --> 00:05:58.639 a government be stepping in here? I mean, what private citizen should have 64 00:05:58.839 --> 00:06:04.279 that. I mean, this is. I mean, we all know that 65 00:06:04.560 --> 00:06:15.879 the only bigger, bigger, boxed thing than X as it's called now or 66 00:06:15.959 --> 00:06:20.639 his or his blown up space mission is his ego. But do we really 67 00:06:20.759 --> 00:06:30.480 want somebody having that much power on the international stage, because I'm sure, 68 00:06:30.519 --> 00:06:34.600 if we look into it hard enough, somewhere we had some funding or some 69 00:06:34.959 --> 00:06:42.600 development that came out of the US military or something that somewhere would give us 70 00:06:42.600 --> 00:06:49.680 the right to like say, hey, we we don't. We don't. 71 00:06:49.759 --> 00:06:53.560 We didn't make you king of the world. You don't get to make those 72 00:06:53.639 --> 00:07:00.680 choices, I think, I think so the challenge with that might be and 73 00:07:00.720 --> 00:07:03.800 again I'm not I'm not too much well, I'm not an expert on this, 74 00:07:03.879 --> 00:07:10.759 let's put it that way on this particular subject. But my impression has 75 00:07:10.839 --> 00:07:16.720 always been that Musk is kind of doing everybody a favor by allowing what is 76 00:07:16.720 --> 00:07:21.680 it called. It's not earthlink, or maybe it is what there's a specific 77 00:07:21.759 --> 00:07:30.199 name for this uh statellite system. Anyway, Musk is not under any obligation 78 00:07:30.160 --> 00:07:35.879 to allow the Ukrainians to use this system, so he's kind of doing everybody 79 00:07:35.879 --> 00:07:43.199 a favor because he's actively losing money with this. That that's my understanding, 80 00:07:43.279 --> 00:07:55.040 So I'm not sure how he could be compelled to cooperate. Oh, starlink, 81 00:07:55.120 --> 00:07:58.360 thank you, Chris, Yeah, Starlink. But again, I don't 82 00:07:58.360 --> 00:08:01.439 know much about it. But I don't know what kind of an arrangement he 83 00:08:01.519 --> 00:08:05.439 has with the Pentagon or anything about that. But I don't know if there's 84 00:08:05.439 --> 00:08:09.879 any way to like really force him not to do that, not to turn 85 00:08:09.920 --> 00:08:16.839 it off if he if he wants to. Unfortunately, uh, well, 86 00:08:18.560 --> 00:08:30.759 you know, it would not be the first time that our government or multiple 87 00:08:30.879 --> 00:08:37.759 governments throughout history have decided if something is an issue that involves national security, 88 00:08:37.919 --> 00:08:46.919 that they that they seize it. True, but I think in this case 89 00:08:46.000 --> 00:08:52.120 it might be that might be more difficult because it's it's not necessarily about our 90 00:08:52.360 --> 00:09:03.519 national security but about Ukraine. I think that probably complicates things too. So, 91 00:09:03.600 --> 00:09:05.440 I mean, morally, unethically, I agree with you, but I 92 00:09:05.440 --> 00:09:11.720 don't know if in a in a practical sense, I don't know if there's 93 00:09:11.799 --> 00:09:13.639 much we can do. Oh, I see Gwen R. J. Wil 94 00:09:13.720 --> 00:09:18.120 Lett outside, you know, Gwen, I see the top of his head 95 00:09:18.159 --> 00:09:22.320 from where I am. But yeah, but yeah, that's unfortunate that Musco 96 00:09:22.559 --> 00:09:26.840 did that, and I hope he doesn't continue to do that in terms of, 97 00:09:26.440 --> 00:09:30.559 you know, shutting things off and trying to sabotage with the Ukrainians like 98 00:09:30.600 --> 00:09:39.919 that, which I assume was his intention. Yep, yep. Well when 99 00:09:41.360 --> 00:09:50.159 when he takes actions which our counter to what we're taking actions for, which 100 00:09:50.360 --> 00:09:58.600 is about indirectly maintaining the safety and security of this country by not letting Russia 101 00:09:58.720 --> 00:10:05.919 take over the eastern part of Europe one country at a time. M I 102 00:10:07.000 --> 00:10:09.919 don't know. I think the case I don't know. I don't know if 103 00:10:09.919 --> 00:10:16.840 the case can be made or not. But I think that this is definitely 104 00:10:16.360 --> 00:10:24.080 this tipsy, topsy world we have of too few people having too much power, 105 00:10:26.519 --> 00:10:35.480 you know, is almost reminiscent of the of the Dark Ages, Right, 106 00:10:35.759 --> 00:10:43.440 I don't know. Am I being overly overly something? I don't know? 107 00:10:43.519 --> 00:10:50.360 No more morally and ethically, I think you're absolutely correct. I just 108 00:10:50.559 --> 00:10:56.320 I just don't know practically and legally if there's an easy solution there. Unfortunately. 109 00:11:01.000 --> 00:11:07.279 So what did you so, what did you think about Peter Peter Peter 110 00:11:07.399 --> 00:11:13.720 Navarro two hundred thousand dollars in two years imprisonment in prison? You think that 111 00:11:13.879 --> 00:11:18.639 it's actually going to happen because you know, you know he's gonna he's gonna 112 00:11:18.759 --> 00:11:26.240 try to h you know, yeah, can test it just like Bannon is 113 00:11:28.639 --> 00:11:31.600 doctor Kevin It. Catch me up on that if you would, because there 114 00:11:31.679 --> 00:11:33.639 was a breaking development on that. I think while I was on the air, 115 00:11:35.080 --> 00:11:37.399 if I'm not mistaken, and then I didn't because we were doing something 116 00:11:37.440 --> 00:11:41.799 else on my show. I didn't get a chance to really look at it. 117 00:11:41.879 --> 00:11:45.720 But has he been sentenced? Is that what's happened? Oh? Yes, 118 00:11:46.559 --> 00:11:56.440 he convicted of contempt for defying the committee. He Uh so, he 119 00:11:56.559 --> 00:12:09.639 has been. He's been convicted as he both didn't provide documents that he was 120 00:12:09.639 --> 00:12:13.759 suppeened for, nor did he show up. So he was convicted of two 121 00:12:13.759 --> 00:12:18.440 contempts and he chased that he faced punishable up to a year behind bars. 122 00:12:18.080 --> 00:12:22.200 And I read somewhere that each wand came with one hundred thousand dollars fund. 123 00:12:26.000 --> 00:12:35.759 Okay, but he has been he has been found guilty. Okay, Wow, 124 00:12:35.879 --> 00:12:46.399 excellent, Good, I'm glad. I assume now I was going to 125 00:12:46.519 --> 00:12:50.240 say, I assume he will appeal it. But I don't know. He's 126 00:12:50.279 --> 00:12:56.639 been crying poverty because yesterday he was on he was on the news talking about 127 00:12:56.720 --> 00:12:58.960 you know, he's been talking to the media quite a bit, and there's 128 00:12:58.000 --> 00:13:03.080 this one woman who has been protesting against him has been given him a hard 129 00:13:03.080 --> 00:13:05.360 time, which has been funny to watch. But he's been saying he doesn't 130 00:13:05.399 --> 00:13:09.120 have he doesn't have much money for lawyers. But it seems like a lot 131 00:13:09.159 --> 00:13:16.159 of the people who've gotten mixed up with Trump don't have money for lawyers because 132 00:13:16.159 --> 00:13:20.679 it's not like not like Trump is stepping up to help any of them. 133 00:13:20.960 --> 00:13:26.120 But so he may not be able to appeal it. And yeah, I 134 00:13:26.120 --> 00:13:28.159 mean, I think he'll he wears a lot of black, but I think 135 00:13:28.159 --> 00:13:33.159 he'll look great in orange and grabs her a Orange will be the new black. 136 00:13:33.759 --> 00:13:37.480 See what I did there? Yeah, yeah, I see what you 137 00:13:37.519 --> 00:13:45.240 did. I see what you did? So yep, I mean and then 138 00:13:45.279 --> 00:13:58.879 we so twenty two years the Proud Bye boy leader got yes Enrique Enrique try 139 00:14:00.120 --> 00:14:07.480 yep too, I am reading, had been offered a if he pleaded guilty, 140 00:14:07.639 --> 00:14:11.799 had had been offered a much lower sentence, and he decided to go 141 00:14:11.840 --> 00:14:18.759 to court. So this is like four of the top dogs in the January 142 00:14:18.799 --> 00:14:28.080 sixth Do you think there is going to be how do you think this will 143 00:14:28.120 --> 00:14:35.639 affect any of the Trump stuff And how do you think and do you think 144 00:14:35.799 --> 00:14:46.279 that if this comes out as it was an insurrection it was you know that 145 00:14:46.279 --> 00:14:50.799 that these are that these charges could just blow back on any of the people 146 00:14:50.840 --> 00:14:56.720 in Congress that were involved. What are your thoughts, Well, we don't 147 00:14:56.759 --> 00:15:00.879 know that anyone in Congress was I mean, has it been I might be 148 00:15:00.960 --> 00:15:07.039 forgetting something. Has it been certainly not established, But has it been implied 149 00:15:07.039 --> 00:15:18.600 that there was anyone in Congress who was actively involved with the Proudless? Yeah, 150 00:15:18.639 --> 00:15:24.039 you know, I've heard things about that they were in Congress that were 151 00:15:24.039 --> 00:15:31.840 in conversation or we're doing information. And then of course there is the Jenny 152 00:15:31.919 --> 00:15:46.279 Thomas text with Mark Mallett Meadows talking about how it is a calling this a 153 00:15:46.399 --> 00:15:54.039 war. Yeah, so to space, I mean some of the people that 154 00:15:54.240 --> 00:16:04.080 were Yeah, I mean I've heard lots of reference is two people that there 155 00:16:04.200 --> 00:16:10.240 was stuff that was going back and forth between Marjorie Taylor Green and Jim Jordan 156 00:16:10.440 --> 00:16:12.600 and some of the others that might just making all this up in my head. 157 00:16:12.639 --> 00:16:18.399 It might delusional. I mean, it wouldn't surprise me. And I 158 00:16:18.440 --> 00:16:25.399 do recall now now that you mentioned Jim Jordan that he got very nervous when 159 00:16:25.440 --> 00:16:30.039 people started asking him about his communications with Trump on that day. But now 160 00:16:30.080 --> 00:16:33.120 that I'm thinking about it, So there was a congressman I cannot, for 161 00:16:33.200 --> 00:16:37.519 the life of me remember his name, but there was a congressman who was 162 00:16:37.600 --> 00:16:44.279 kind of a person of interest because he was seen giving tours right before everything 163 00:16:44.360 --> 00:16:49.720 happened, and the tours were very thorough, unusually so so there was some 164 00:16:49.799 --> 00:16:52.519 suspicion. I can't remember who it was, though, and then we never 165 00:16:52.559 --> 00:16:56.000 heard any more about it. So it may have been that there was nothing 166 00:16:56.080 --> 00:17:00.840 there, or at least nothing that we know of. So I don't know, 167 00:17:02.559 --> 00:17:08.160 but but I'm glad to see Enrique Tario get punished. Apparently he apparently 168 00:17:08.160 --> 00:17:14.440 he was very contrite at his sentencing, but up up to then, up 169 00:17:14.480 --> 00:17:18.480 to that point, he had shown no remorse. But I think it is 170 00:17:19.759 --> 00:17:27.480 important to uh that people like him are punished to try to discarchage further violence. 171 00:17:30.000 --> 00:17:34.400 Are you are you searching for something, doctor Kevin. It sounds like 172 00:17:34.440 --> 00:17:40.000 you're looking for something. No, No, I'm just I'm trying to you 173 00:17:40.000 --> 00:17:47.319 know, We've got four very significant things and I'm I'm trying to kind of 174 00:17:47.359 --> 00:17:52.279 look at you know, No, no, I meant, I meant physically, 175 00:17:52.359 --> 00:17:59.039 it sounds like you're looking for something in the drawer. Oh sorry, 176 00:17:59.079 --> 00:18:03.920 that's just my normal walking around picking things up, ooting it down, blah 177 00:18:03.960 --> 00:18:11.440 blah blah blah. Sorry I got I was curious. So but anyways, 178 00:18:11.480 --> 00:18:15.440 any of this, how do you think it's going to affect the Trump stuff? 179 00:18:17.319 --> 00:18:25.200 And of course now we have he just lost another thing around Jean Carroll 180 00:18:25.640 --> 00:18:29.119 that this is just how much money he doesn't get to protest anymore any he's 181 00:18:29.160 --> 00:18:32.920 lost the case. But yep, how do you think this affects any of 182 00:18:33.000 --> 00:18:41.119 the other stuff? Well, I mean, as far as him running for 183 00:18:41.279 --> 00:18:45.279 president, it's great. It's it's all great for him in terms of denomination. 184 00:18:45.960 --> 00:18:51.480 You know, he sold his followers and I used the term followers very 185 00:18:51.720 --> 00:18:56.559 deliberately that you know, I mean, he's effectively martyred himself. He says, 186 00:18:56.640 --> 00:19:00.079 you know, they're not after me, there after us, there after 187 00:19:00.279 --> 00:19:06.960 you. That's why they're after me and this kind of thing. And they 188 00:19:07.039 --> 00:19:11.720 just keep sending him more and more money. After that mud shot was released, 189 00:19:11.759 --> 00:19:18.000 I think he raised seven million dollars in one day. So it all 190 00:19:18.039 --> 00:19:21.400 helps him in terms of becoming the nominee. I don't think it helps him 191 00:19:21.440 --> 00:19:25.759 in the general election, certainly, but but it all but as sure as 192 00:19:25.759 --> 00:19:26.680 he'll be the nominee. And you know, I've said, oh a long, 193 00:19:26.759 --> 00:19:30.960 he's going to be the nominee, and wait at recent polling data, 194 00:19:30.160 --> 00:19:34.440 more certain of it than ever. He'll definitely be the nominee. So it 195 00:19:34.480 --> 00:19:48.119 all helps him in that regard. So they're looking into fraud with Sidney Powell 196 00:19:48.200 --> 00:19:53.279 and money that she raised to overturn the election and what it was used for 197 00:19:53.519 --> 00:19:57.640 versus what it was said it was being raised for, and where did these 198 00:19:57.640 --> 00:20:04.960 dollars actually go. Do you think that that is at foreshadowing of something that 199 00:20:06.079 --> 00:20:11.319 may happen with Trump with all of this stuff, or do you just think 200 00:20:11.359 --> 00:20:17.319 that she's screwed? And do you think she's going to turn on Trump? 201 00:20:18.799 --> 00:20:26.599 I don't think she's smart enough to turn on I think she's just I think 202 00:20:26.640 --> 00:20:30.599 she's just out of her mind, to be honest with you, And I 203 00:20:30.640 --> 00:20:36.640 think and I kind of suspect that a lot of what she did was probably 204 00:20:36.720 --> 00:20:41.000 independent of Trump in that one thing. I do think Trump is a little 205 00:20:41.039 --> 00:20:48.279 bit smart about is I think he I think he insulates himself from things. 206 00:20:48.559 --> 00:20:52.480 I think he kind of This is just an impression. I could be completely 207 00:20:52.519 --> 00:21:00.559 wrong, but I have an impression that he has a way of sort of 208 00:21:00.880 --> 00:21:07.640 communicating to people around him, probably not explicitly, but implicitly, Hey, 209 00:21:07.799 --> 00:21:11.240 do whatever you gotta do, and don't tell me about it. I don't 210 00:21:11.240 --> 00:21:15.079 want to know about it. That's my impression, because we do know that 211 00:21:15.119 --> 00:21:21.480 he's careful in the sense that he doesn't like to text, he doesn't like 212 00:21:21.599 --> 00:21:26.279 to email. He seems to be oblivious to the fact that phone calls can 213 00:21:26.359 --> 00:21:30.759 easily be recorded, but he doesn't like to text him, he doesn't like 214 00:21:30.839 --> 00:21:34.920 to email, he doesn't like he doesn't want to be attached to things. 215 00:21:34.960 --> 00:21:40.559 He doesn't want to be associated with things that might come back to bid him. 216 00:21:40.640 --> 00:21:42.039 And then when a phone call comes back to bite him, he just 217 00:21:42.079 --> 00:21:47.720 claims it was a perfect phone call, and of course his followers believe him. 218 00:21:47.839 --> 00:21:53.160 But so I suspect that a lot of what she's done or cheesebrow or 219 00:21:53.279 --> 00:21:56.920 chess brow, however you say it, well, things that he's done, 220 00:21:56.519 --> 00:22:00.759 I suspect a lot of that may have jen when we've been without his knowledge 221 00:22:02.480 --> 00:22:08.039 and consent. But I but Again, my impression is he kind of tells 222 00:22:08.119 --> 00:22:14.039 people, again not necessarily explicitly, but he kind of tells people, do 223 00:22:14.160 --> 00:22:18.039 what you gotta do, get this done. And I don't need to know 224 00:22:18.119 --> 00:22:23.799 the details. That's my impression. Even even with the classified documents. You 225 00:22:23.839 --> 00:22:27.319 know, he's telling this guy, telling that guy, you know, move 226 00:22:27.400 --> 00:22:30.720 these, put them somewhere else, you know. But I don't think he 227 00:22:30.759 --> 00:22:34.480 ever wants to be too involved in the details because you know, obviously he 228 00:22:34.519 --> 00:22:37.000 knows what he's doing is wrong, and he doesn't want to be incriminated. 229 00:22:37.319 --> 00:22:42.240 And he might actually be kind of like a mob boss. He might actually 230 00:22:42.279 --> 00:22:48.880 be smart enough to insulate himself in some ways in those areas. That's my 231 00:22:48.920 --> 00:23:03.240 impression. So okay, so let's talk about Now. There's a group the 232 00:23:03.319 --> 00:23:07.759 ACRONYMST Crew I can't remember what it stands for, their art of Colorado. 233 00:23:08.759 --> 00:23:15.119 They have filed a lawsuit that says Trump can't run for election because of the 234 00:23:15.160 --> 00:23:25.240 fourteenth Amendment. There's talk in New Hampshire that people are going to say that 235 00:23:25.359 --> 00:23:30.440 legally he cannot run because of what he did in his involvement. Any is 236 00:23:30.440 --> 00:23:34.720 that going to get any traction? What do you think? Yeah, this 237 00:23:34.759 --> 00:23:44.079 is something we did explore on the show this week in some depths. Ellie 238 00:23:44.119 --> 00:23:48.480 Honig on CNN, their top legal correspondent, he was kind of the first 239 00:23:48.480 --> 00:23:52.720 one I heard really go out of his way to throw cold water on this 240 00:23:52.759 --> 00:23:59.319 whole thing. And there's there's two problems with it, with this idea of 241 00:23:59.440 --> 00:24:04.200 invoking the fourteenth Amendment to keep Trump off the ballot in certain states. The 242 00:24:04.240 --> 00:24:11.480 first problem is there's no mechanism to do it. So even if you say, 243 00:24:11.640 --> 00:24:15.880 okay, well he's disqualified and we're going to keep him off the ballot, 244 00:24:15.960 --> 00:24:21.519 how do you do that? Do you get some sort of court and 245 00:24:21.880 --> 00:24:25.240 do you go to the state Supreme court in that state and get some sort 246 00:24:25.240 --> 00:24:29.240 of injunction keeping him off the ballot? You know, this has never been 247 00:24:29.240 --> 00:24:32.680 tried, It's never been tested, So how do you do it? Actually, 248 00:24:33.119 --> 00:24:36.920 well, I'm wrong about that. I think I don't remember when exactly, 249 00:24:36.960 --> 00:24:40.599 but I think in the distant past that it was tested, not for 250 00:24:41.039 --> 00:24:45.640 the presidency but for another office keeping someone off a ballot, and it didn't 251 00:24:45.640 --> 00:24:51.839 work. I don't I don't remember any details further than that, But but 252 00:24:51.960 --> 00:24:55.599 there's that that mechanism of you know, it's it's similar to when we were 253 00:24:55.599 --> 00:25:00.519 talking about invoking the fourteenth Amendment for another purpose, a different section of the 254 00:25:00.519 --> 00:25:06.480 fourteenth Amendment to raise the debt limit. And there was a lot of conversation 255 00:25:06.640 --> 00:25:11.799 around while can't the president just invoke the fourteenth and raise the limit himself unilaterally? 256 00:25:11.920 --> 00:25:15.359 And part of the danger of that was, well, there doesn't seem 257 00:25:15.400 --> 00:25:18.039 to be a mechanism to do that. It's never been tried, it's never 258 00:25:18.079 --> 00:25:21.200 been tested, so how would that even work. So we seem to have 259 00:25:21.240 --> 00:25:32.640 the same issue with this. So if state attorneys general or secretaries of state 260 00:25:32.720 --> 00:25:34.720 in these different states, if they if they even attempt to do this, 261 00:25:36.039 --> 00:25:40.240 you know, what would the process be. Do they just unilaterally decide on 262 00:25:40.279 --> 00:25:42.559 their own? Well, I don't think Trump is eligible, which brings us 263 00:25:42.559 --> 00:25:49.880 to the other problem. Who decides? Who makes the determination until he's actually 264 00:25:51.000 --> 00:25:57.160 been convicted? Who makes the determination that Trump is in fact guilty of sedition? 265 00:25:57.680 --> 00:26:03.759 Now, if you ask me, I think he is clearly. I 266 00:26:03.799 --> 00:26:10.200 think he caused the insurrection on January sixth, and he certainly gave aid and 267 00:26:10.319 --> 00:26:17.519 comfort to the enemy when he made that video telling the domestic terrorists as I 268 00:26:17.599 --> 00:26:19.640 call them, the people who stormed the Capitol when he told them, you 269 00:26:19.680 --> 00:26:23.000 know, I love you, I'm with you. I understand why you're upset. 270 00:26:23.039 --> 00:26:26.839 You should be upset, so, you know. And now he goes 271 00:26:26.880 --> 00:26:30.839 around talking about how he's inclined to pardon them if he's elected president. So 272 00:26:30.039 --> 00:26:33.960 that's ongoing, giving aid and comfort to the enemy. That's my read on 273 00:26:34.039 --> 00:26:38.480 it. But until he's actually convicted, you know, well, even if 274 00:26:38.480 --> 00:26:42.680 he is convicted, not everyone's going to agree, obviously, But so it's 275 00:26:42.759 --> 00:26:47.759 I don't think it's I think it's a non starter. I don't think it's 276 00:26:47.759 --> 00:26:53.519 going anywhere. It would be nice to see that happen. And I think 277 00:26:53.519 --> 00:26:59.519 he should be disqualified. And I think they should have convicted him at that 278 00:26:59.599 --> 00:27:04.480 second impeachment and been done with it, but they didn't, and I don't 279 00:27:04.519 --> 00:27:07.519 I don't think it's going to work. I don't think there's a way to 280 00:27:07.559 --> 00:27:15.599 keep them off the ballot in any of these states. Unfortunately, well, 281 00:27:17.240 --> 00:27:26.400 will you know, Unfortunately, you may be correct, though. There's a 282 00:27:26.400 --> 00:27:30.400 lot of talk that this, if a lawsuit is filed for this, that 283 00:27:30.559 --> 00:27:37.960 it's going to end up at the Supreme Court, and that anyone's guess, 284 00:27:38.359 --> 00:27:49.799 because the Supreme Court doesn't necessarily has to provide what the mechanism is to make 285 00:27:49.839 --> 00:27:56.200 it happen. They can just rule that it has to happen. But the 286 00:27:56.279 --> 00:28:02.799 question would be would get Supreme Court or do that right? I mean, 287 00:28:03.039 --> 00:28:10.880 obviously obviously it's a very conservative court. So who are originalists that say that 288 00:28:11.000 --> 00:28:22.599 they they go by the letter of the Constitution and therefore they they could throw 289 00:28:22.599 --> 00:28:30.880 a Trump under the bus. They could be great to see, especially said 290 00:28:30.079 --> 00:28:37.880 you know, he illegally appointed at least two of them. But anyways, 291 00:28:38.279 --> 00:28:44.599 it's kind of as it is, kind of a strange world we're living in. 292 00:28:44.720 --> 00:28:49.079 These are all things that we have never seen in the history of our 293 00:28:49.119 --> 00:28:56.839 country. How does it all up? Here? Is the music? 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I mean, what do you mean by end 321 00:31:40.160 --> 00:31:42.720 like the election? Or what do you mean? Well? I mean, 322 00:31:44.720 --> 00:31:48.279 do you think Trump's going to be president again? Do you think that, 323 00:31:48.519 --> 00:31:56.960 oh, this is going to create a the end of the GOP as many 324 00:31:56.000 --> 00:32:00.240 people have predicted. Do you think that this is point to create a third 325 00:32:00.319 --> 00:32:06.480 party coming in? I mean, we've we've ped parties live and die in 326 00:32:06.519 --> 00:32:09.839 the history of our We don't have Whigs anymore, and we don't have Federalists 327 00:32:09.920 --> 00:32:16.240 anymore. They have evolved and changed. And depending on how all of this 328 00:32:16.359 --> 00:32:22.160 goes, I think there's something to be said that the GOP is going to 329 00:32:22.240 --> 00:32:30.079 have to do something besides get behind raising the voting age to twenty five, 330 00:32:30.759 --> 00:32:36.200 which as going to happen. No, but they but it's been proposed you 331 00:32:36.279 --> 00:32:40.200 know, of course by who? Then? Yeah, he did, I 332 00:32:40.319 --> 00:32:47.160 thought so, No, I think I mean as far as that, well, 333 00:32:47.200 --> 00:32:50.480 no, the GOP is not going anywhere. It's just, you know, 334 00:32:50.519 --> 00:32:53.000 it changes that. It's it's right now. It's a cult of personality 335 00:32:53.039 --> 00:32:58.279 around Donald Trump, and I think it'll remain that way until he dies. 336 00:33:00.440 --> 00:33:07.200 But I think that could he be president again? Yeah? Absolutely, I 337 00:33:07.200 --> 00:33:10.480 mean, Polly data shows it's going to be a close election. I think 338 00:33:10.519 --> 00:33:16.440 Biden can beat him again because I can't imagine that Trump is expanding his base 339 00:33:16.559 --> 00:33:22.480 among independents, you know, independents who abandoned him, who may have voted 340 00:33:22.480 --> 00:33:25.519 for him in twenty sixteen but then abandoned him in twenty twenty. I can't 341 00:33:25.559 --> 00:33:29.640 imagine they're looking at him now going, well, you know what, I 342 00:33:30.440 --> 00:33:34.039 went for Biden in twenty twenty. But now that I see Trump with all 343 00:33:34.119 --> 00:33:37.759 these indictments, I'm giving him a second look. You know. So he's 344 00:33:37.799 --> 00:33:42.279 not you know, he's consolidating his bass, but he's not expanding his bass. 345 00:33:43.240 --> 00:33:47.279 So but unfortunately, we have a president who's going to be eighty one 346 00:33:47.559 --> 00:33:52.839 in November. And something that I've been saying on my show, Doctor Kevin 347 00:33:52.880 --> 00:33:57.119 and others are generally hesitant to say it. Although I finally heard somebody else 348 00:33:57.119 --> 00:34:00.559 in media stay it the other day. I thought I was the only one. 349 00:34:01.680 --> 00:34:07.199 But it isn't polite. But it's just the reality of it. President 350 00:34:07.280 --> 00:34:15.199 Biden is only one Mitch McConnell moment away from handing the presidency to Donald Trump. 351 00:34:15.840 --> 00:34:21.480 If Joe Biden, god forbid, if he has a moment either, 352 00:34:22.480 --> 00:34:24.679 can you imagine if it happens during one of the debates, that will be 353 00:34:24.719 --> 00:34:30.360 the worst thing. If Joe Biden has a moment where he freezes up or 354 00:34:30.400 --> 00:34:34.440 he forgets at some of this, you know, I mean, he sometimes 355 00:34:34.440 --> 00:34:38.159 he forgets what he's talking about anyway, But if Joe Biden has like a 356 00:34:38.239 --> 00:34:44.440 true I guess the term would be seenior moment, a true senior moment publicly 357 00:34:45.320 --> 00:34:52.239 during a debate or even while given a speech, or even if it happens 358 00:34:52.280 --> 00:34:55.159 privately, you know, at the White House, but then word leaks out 359 00:34:55.239 --> 00:34:59.920 to the public that it's happened where he just freezes up or anything like that. 360 00:35:00.039 --> 00:35:04.360 At he's done, He's done, and he will have ended the presidency 361 00:35:04.400 --> 00:35:08.440 over to Trump. That's why I feel President died and is very selfish and 362 00:35:08.760 --> 00:35:13.039 needs to get out of the race. He needs to let somebody else in 363 00:35:13.079 --> 00:35:17.119 there, because you know, if he were to if he were to step 364 00:35:17.119 --> 00:35:22.320 aside, I don't mean resign, I mean he can serve out his term. 365 00:35:22.400 --> 00:35:28.639 But you know, he's, uh, his legacy is secure. And 366 00:35:29.199 --> 00:35:31.800 you know, if you're if you're someone who likes what he's done, his 367 00:35:31.920 --> 00:35:38.760 legacy is secure. And but he lisks his legacy. If his legacy ends 368 00:35:38.840 --> 00:35:43.679 up being the guy who beat Trump and got Trump out of the White House 369 00:35:43.760 --> 00:35:45.880 only to hand it back to him four years later, I don't think he 370 00:35:45.920 --> 00:35:50.800 wants that to be his legacy. And there's a real risk that that could 371 00:35:50.840 --> 00:35:54.639 be his legacy. Something that we talked about on my show last week. 372 00:35:54.679 --> 00:35:58.800 And I don't know if you saw this. This is not filtered through the 373 00:35:58.840 --> 00:36:05.519 mainstream medium, to my surprise, but Mark Halperin, who's the mainstream media 374 00:36:05.559 --> 00:36:08.559 guy, was on Michael Smerconish's radio show, and that you know, that's 375 00:36:08.639 --> 00:36:15.320 pretty mainstream, right, And according to Mark Halperin, high level sources close 376 00:36:15.360 --> 00:36:22.559 to Biden are saying privately that the President has actually changed his mind and is 377 00:36:22.639 --> 00:36:27.679 not going to seek a second term. But they're keeping it quiet and he's 378 00:36:27.719 --> 00:36:32.079 proceeding like business is normal for the campaign because they're trying to figure out the 379 00:36:32.199 --> 00:36:37.480 off ramp because they don't necessarily want it to be a Kamala Harris coronation, 380 00:36:37.639 --> 00:36:42.679 even though she's next in line, and they don't necessary but they also want 381 00:36:42.679 --> 00:36:45.079 to be fair to her. But they also don't know if she can be 382 00:36:45.280 --> 00:36:50.679 Trump, and maybe Gavin Newsom would be better. So I don't know why 383 00:36:50.719 --> 00:36:54.000 this isn't filtering through the mainstream media. Halperin's a credible journalist, He's not 384 00:36:54.119 --> 00:37:00.800 some fringe guy. But yeah, Halperin says the decision has already been made 385 00:37:01.760 --> 00:37:07.920 and Biden will not seek a second term, and that an announcement is imminent. 386 00:37:07.880 --> 00:37:12.840 But the longer they wait, the harder it's going to be to get 387 00:37:12.880 --> 00:37:15.800 somebody else in there. If they don't want it to be Karnala Harris because 388 00:37:15.800 --> 00:37:20.519 she has very high negatives with people, although that can be that can be 389 00:37:20.880 --> 00:37:28.559 fixed. But yeah, so he may be getting out, but if he 390 00:37:28.639 --> 00:37:32.639 stays in, he risks being the guy who handed the presidency back to Trump, 391 00:37:34.039 --> 00:37:40.119 and I don't think he wants that to be his legacy. Well, 392 00:37:43.079 --> 00:37:46.920 let's hope. From Mark's ears to the lips, From Mark's lips to the 393 00:37:46.960 --> 00:37:53.639 ears of God, as I like to say that. You know, Biden 394 00:37:53.800 --> 00:37:59.760 is going to find a way, a strategy to bow out, and he 395 00:38:00.360 --> 00:38:12.000 definitely gotten much more aggressive in his Trump commentary, Like, you know, 396 00:38:12.280 --> 00:38:16.159 he just ignored Trump for ages, but now he's kind of going after him 397 00:38:16.199 --> 00:38:22.239 with some of these comments and stuff. Yeah, a little bit. He 398 00:38:22.679 --> 00:38:30.480 has it tried very lightly because obviously it's it's awkward because he doesn't want to 399 00:38:30.480 --> 00:38:34.119 be seen, you know, he doesn't want to play into what Republicans complain 400 00:38:34.159 --> 00:38:39.280 about constantly that Biden has weaponized his White House, that has weaponized the DJ 401 00:38:39.480 --> 00:38:45.559 against Trump. So he doesn't want to be you know, commenting much on 402 00:38:45.599 --> 00:38:49.079 Trump's legal problems. But at the same time, Trump is his opponent, 403 00:38:49.719 --> 00:38:53.559 not officially officially because Trump hasn't secured the nomination yet, but it's going to 404 00:38:53.559 --> 00:38:58.440 be Trump. Everyone knows it's going to be Trump. But that's another reason 405 00:38:58.519 --> 00:39:04.079 why Biden should get out, because if Biden were to announce that he's changed 406 00:39:04.119 --> 00:39:07.000 his mind, he's not going to seek a second term. Anyone else who 407 00:39:07.159 --> 00:39:10.920 who's getting into the race, they're free to as long as it's not someone 408 00:39:10.960 --> 00:39:15.719 currently in Biden's cabinet. I guess well, so that would we So that 409 00:39:15.719 --> 00:39:21.280 wouldn't that wouldn't. Yeah. So, actually, for Kamala Harris it would 410 00:39:21.280 --> 00:39:24.000 still be a problem because she's part of the administration. But if somebody from 411 00:39:24.039 --> 00:39:30.480 outside of the administration is running, they could for the Democratic nomination. They 412 00:39:30.480 --> 00:39:36.320 would be free to talk as much as they wanted to about Trump's legal troubles. 413 00:39:36.480 --> 00:39:38.000 They would be just as free to do that as Chris Christie is. 414 00:39:38.960 --> 00:39:44.400 You know, so that would be another reason for Biden to get out. 415 00:39:44.599 --> 00:39:47.760 He's got so much I mean, he's got the age thing. He also 416 00:39:47.880 --> 00:39:52.519 has this other problem, which is his son, who continues to just be 417 00:39:52.599 --> 00:39:59.920 an albatrust. He's got to get out. He's just got to go. 418 00:40:00.639 --> 00:40:02.159 And again I don't mean resign, I just mean, you know, not 419 00:40:02.320 --> 00:40:16.159 run for reelection. So what were your thoughts about the Republican debate. Let's 420 00:40:16.199 --> 00:40:22.880 see, Well, I'll tell him. I'll tell you who I actually liked 421 00:40:22.920 --> 00:40:25.000 a little bit, even though I don't I mean, I don't support his 422 00:40:25.079 --> 00:40:29.760 policies. I don't agree with him and I would never support him. But 423 00:40:30.760 --> 00:40:34.320 Mike Pence, I will say this, I've been very tough on Mike Pence. 424 00:40:35.079 --> 00:40:37.480 He actually showed, you know, it's funny. He took criticism for 425 00:40:37.480 --> 00:40:42.199 this, but I liked it. He actually showed some a little bit of 426 00:40:42.239 --> 00:40:45.559 passion and a little bit of anger during the debate, and I liked seeing 427 00:40:45.559 --> 00:40:50.280 that from him because I've just always assumed that he's just this empty husk of 428 00:40:50.280 --> 00:40:57.320 a man, incapable of actual human emotion. But it didn't see him phony 429 00:40:57.360 --> 00:41:00.280 to me either. He actually showed some genuine when I ought anyway was genuine 430 00:41:00.320 --> 00:41:06.440 emotion, and I kind of appreciated that. Although some people thought he came 431 00:41:06.480 --> 00:41:08.559 off angry, but I said, well, that's good. You know, 432 00:41:08.760 --> 00:41:15.800 let him, let him be angry. That's fine. Vet Kramaswami. A 433 00:41:15.840 --> 00:41:17.880 lot of people felt that he won the debate and had a really good showing. 434 00:41:19.400 --> 00:41:23.639 I thought he came off like a clown, but a lot of people 435 00:41:23.639 --> 00:41:28.400 thought he did well, and I guess it's shown in the polls. He's 436 00:41:28.519 --> 00:41:31.440 up a little bit. Let's see who else, Chris. Chris, he 437 00:41:31.920 --> 00:41:36.719 did what I expected, you know, which is good. I like seeing 438 00:41:36.760 --> 00:41:39.159 him being you know, he's the one person out there who's really willing to 439 00:41:39.199 --> 00:41:45.159 go at Trump. Nicki Haley I thought had some very strong moments. Tim 440 00:41:45.239 --> 00:41:50.519 Scott, I thought was fine. Some people have been critical of his debate 441 00:41:50.559 --> 00:41:52.960 performance. He didn't have any standout moments, but I thought he was fine. 442 00:41:53.400 --> 00:42:00.400 He seemed pretty solid. Who else, Asa Hutchinson? He was just 443 00:42:00.559 --> 00:42:07.599 Asa Hutchinson. Oh, I did talk on my show, So Doug Bergham, 444 00:42:07.639 --> 00:42:12.639 I thought, had a standout moment that nobody else in any media, 445 00:42:12.960 --> 00:42:15.920 conservative, liberal, any corner of media was talking about. But I talked 446 00:42:15.920 --> 00:42:21.400 about it on my show. He had a moment where he he kind of 447 00:42:21.519 --> 00:42:28.159 stood up for public education and for teachers in public schools when he talked about 448 00:42:28.599 --> 00:42:31.360 how in his state some of the things that they had done for public schools 449 00:42:31.400 --> 00:42:36.960 and how he felt it was important to give public school teachers the support that 450 00:42:37.000 --> 00:42:39.400 they need and so forth. And I thought he spoke very eloquently. It 451 00:42:39.480 --> 00:42:43.960 wasn't an applause line. I don't think the audience reacted one way or the 452 00:42:44.000 --> 00:42:49.119 other, actually, but it stood out to me because Republicans spend a lot 453 00:42:49.199 --> 00:42:53.360 of time carrying down public education. They talked about public school teachers like they're 454 00:42:53.400 --> 00:43:00.840 all trying to indoctrinate and turn your kids gay or trans or something, you 455 00:43:00.880 --> 00:43:04.360 know, just this crazy stuff there. Republicans are always talking about and they're 456 00:43:04.360 --> 00:43:08.679 always very down on public education. So to hear a conservative Republican stand on 457 00:43:08.719 --> 00:43:15.000 that stage and really stand up for teachers and stand up for the public school 458 00:43:15.039 --> 00:43:20.400 system, I thought it was a great moment. And nobody else was talking 459 00:43:20.440 --> 00:43:23.199 about that, probably because it didn't get any reaction from the crowd one way 460 00:43:23.599 --> 00:43:28.039 or another. It just kind of fell flat in terms of the reaction that 461 00:43:28.119 --> 00:43:30.119 it got. But for me, I was like, oh, good for 462 00:43:30.239 --> 00:43:32.880 him. I mean, he has no chance of being the nominee, but 463 00:43:32.920 --> 00:43:37.039 I thought that was cool that he did that. Who else was there? 464 00:43:38.000 --> 00:43:44.199 I'm forgetting somebody? Who am I forgetting? To Santos? Oh to Santas? 465 00:43:44.280 --> 00:43:46.719 Yeah, yeah, he was forgettable. Oh. Actually, one notable 466 00:43:46.800 --> 00:43:52.239 thing about De Santis though, I mean, you know, he seemed nervous, 467 00:43:52.239 --> 00:43:55.400 you know, kind of not ready for prime time. But but you 468 00:43:55.440 --> 00:44:00.440 know what, I don't think I heard the word woke out of his mouth, 469 00:44:00.079 --> 00:44:04.639 or wokeness or wokeism. I don't think I heard that once during the 470 00:44:04.800 --> 00:44:08.519 entire debate come out of him. And that was unusual. Now, there 471 00:44:08.599 --> 00:44:13.920 is polling data recently that shows that Republicans really are kind of tired of hearing 472 00:44:13.960 --> 00:44:16.639 about woke and wokenis and wokeism all the time. So that might be why 473 00:44:16.880 --> 00:44:21.239 maybe it's finally getting true to him that, hey, that stuff isn't work 474 00:44:21.280 --> 00:44:25.880 and people don't really know what you're talking about. People are concerned with economic 475 00:44:25.960 --> 00:44:30.159 issues. They're not really that worried about you know, they're not as worried 476 00:44:30.199 --> 00:44:34.239 about trans people in critical race theory as you might think they are. A 477 00:44:34.320 --> 00:44:37.199 governor, the stuff isn't playing very well, and he may have taken that 478 00:44:37.280 --> 00:44:44.400 advice, because I was genuinely surprised by that and pleased to not have to 479 00:44:44.440 --> 00:44:49.639 hear about wokeness because usually that's his go to. Usually he blames everything on 480 00:44:49.719 --> 00:44:52.159 wokeness. Anything you could throw at him, any issue at all, he'd 481 00:44:52.440 --> 00:44:57.840 you know, if you if you, you know, ask him about climate 482 00:44:57.920 --> 00:45:01.400 change, he'd probably tell you it's climate change is because of trans people. 483 00:45:02.960 --> 00:45:07.960 So it was sort of refreshing in a way not to hear that from him. 484 00:45:07.960 --> 00:45:14.840 Other than that, I mean, his performance was pretty flat, and 485 00:45:14.880 --> 00:45:16.679 I think that's it. That's everybody right. There were eight people there. 486 00:45:17.039 --> 00:45:22.039 Do we get everybody? You talked to Nicky Haley, you talked Chris Christie, 487 00:45:23.320 --> 00:45:29.480 you talked five, you talked Santos, you talked to ASA, you 488 00:45:29.519 --> 00:45:39.480 talked Dog, you talked to Mike Pence at seven we missed seven I've named, 489 00:45:40.079 --> 00:45:47.639 but I can't remember off the top of my head. I mean it, 490 00:45:49.679 --> 00:45:53.599 you know, some people called it the audition except for Chris Christy and 491 00:45:53.800 --> 00:46:02.760 probably Nicky Haley and definitely Mike Pence that everybody will say was was really auditioning 492 00:46:04.000 --> 00:46:08.039 to be Trump's VP pick. Oh yeah, I've been referred to it on 493 00:46:08.079 --> 00:46:15.360 my show as the twenty twenty four Republican vice presidential nomination debate. Yeah, 494 00:46:15.760 --> 00:46:25.159 of course. So yeah, Now, I always like to ask you this 495 00:46:25.280 --> 00:46:34.760 question because you're very good at You're always very good at what is what are 496 00:46:34.840 --> 00:46:40.880 people not talking about that you think that they should be? What's going on 497 00:46:42.280 --> 00:46:47.599 that is? You're like, people are are not paying attention to this and 498 00:46:47.679 --> 00:47:01.079 should be m m oh well, something that's not getting enough attention mention is 499 00:47:01.159 --> 00:47:04.920 this is being talked about that. I'll throw it out there because it should 500 00:47:04.960 --> 00:47:09.679 be getting more attention than it is. The Senator Tommy Tubberville holding up these 501 00:47:10.639 --> 00:47:15.400 nominations for the military, it's really causing a problem because he doesn't want to 502 00:47:15.400 --> 00:47:21.119 give in on abortion and boy seen. I talked earlier about how selfish Biden 503 00:47:21.159 --> 00:47:25.639 has. He's got nothing on Tommy Tubberville. Little pos this guy is. 504 00:47:25.800 --> 00:47:30.079 But yeah, people should be talking more about that. I mean, it's 505 00:47:30.119 --> 00:47:36.280 it's getting attention, but probably not enough because it's really causing a problem with 506 00:47:36.559 --> 00:47:45.559 military readiness. Also, did you see Mike Huckabee came right out and said 507 00:47:45.599 --> 00:47:52.480 if Trump loses in twenty twenty four, it could be the last election that 508 00:47:52.639 --> 00:47:58.320 is one with ballots instead of bullets. Did you see that? Yep? 509 00:48:00.119 --> 00:48:07.719 What So let's let's stay with Tuberville for a second. Yeah, because you 510 00:48:07.280 --> 00:48:12.079 are, you are more in touch with a lot of this stuff than I 511 00:48:12.119 --> 00:48:16.400 know I am. What, if anything could they be doing that they're not 512 00:48:16.480 --> 00:48:22.559 doing to take the power away from this man, because I you know, 513 00:48:22.719 --> 00:48:28.840 I read things like even the Republican you know, McConnell and people like that 514 00:48:29.199 --> 00:48:36.039 are are not really supporting Upperville, but they're not pressuring him either. But 515 00:48:36.840 --> 00:48:39.679 is there any workaround? Is there a work around that somebody doesn't want to 516 00:48:39.960 --> 00:48:46.199 want, you know, go nuclear to makes happen because we're talking hundreds of 517 00:48:47.360 --> 00:48:52.440 and and you know, besides the fact it's screwing over all those four innocent 518 00:48:52.480 --> 00:49:00.679 military people, you know, but it's also the key positions that are that 519 00:49:00.760 --> 00:49:05.400 are you know, at risk. What is the nuclear option for Tubberville. 520 00:49:06.400 --> 00:49:12.239 There is something, there is something that Senator Chuck Schumer could do. From 521 00:49:12.239 --> 00:49:17.960 what I understand, he could put each individual who's up for a promotion which 522 00:49:17.960 --> 00:49:22.719 should have been approved by now he can. He can put them up individually 523 00:49:22.400 --> 00:49:31.440 as nominees for their positions and start the problem with that is it would take 524 00:49:31.480 --> 00:49:37.880 a long time because instead of just all of these people being approved in a 525 00:49:37.880 --> 00:49:44.159 perfunctory manner, each individual would be put up as a nominee for their promotion 526 00:49:44.840 --> 00:49:47.159 and then you'd have to vote, and you know, so Tubberville wouldn't be 527 00:49:47.199 --> 00:49:52.119 able to stop it because it would be a majority vote and obviously everyone would 528 00:49:52.159 --> 00:49:54.920 would be approved, but you'd have to do them one at a time. 529 00:49:57.159 --> 00:50:00.800 So I think Schumer is reluctant do it for that reason. Now I think 530 00:50:00.840 --> 00:50:05.679 he should do it. I think Schumer should just say, Okay, this 531 00:50:05.719 --> 00:50:07.719 is what we're going to have to do then, and we're gonna have some 532 00:50:07.840 --> 00:50:12.719 late nights here at the Senate, but we're going to get this done because 533 00:50:12.840 --> 00:50:15.880 we have to do it, and this is the only way we can do 534 00:50:15.920 --> 00:50:19.440 it. That's what I think Schumer should do. He's reluctant to do that, 535 00:50:19.480 --> 00:50:24.199 apparently. I'm not sure why. I'm not sure if it's because politically 536 00:50:24.239 --> 00:50:30.320 he feels that this is damaging to the Republicans what Tubberville is doing, or 537 00:50:30.360 --> 00:50:36.639 maybe he just doesn't want to spend those late nights at the Senate but or 538 00:50:36.679 --> 00:50:40.360 maybe it's just you know, I'm always talking about how Democrats they, you 539 00:50:40.400 --> 00:50:45.119 know, they don't tend to want to fight dirty, even though the Republicans 540 00:50:45.159 --> 00:50:50.320 have no problem fighting dirty. So but it would be well within the rules 541 00:50:50.360 --> 00:50:52.760 of course, so it wouldn't really even be fighting duty. It would just 542 00:50:52.800 --> 00:50:55.159 be you know, using power to get this done. So there is a 543 00:50:55.760 --> 00:51:00.440 remedy, and it may come to that. It doesn't look like Tubbville is 544 00:51:00.440 --> 00:51:04.480 going to back down. He's pretty well dug in and he doesn't seem to 545 00:51:05.119 --> 00:51:07.960 be at all concerned or he seems to be in denial about the damage that 546 00:51:08.079 --> 00:51:13.840 this is doing to the military, but he doesn't seem to mind. So, 547 00:51:15.639 --> 00:51:17.880 well, he's got well there's over years left before he's up for election. 548 00:51:20.039 --> 00:51:22.559 Yeah, I mean he's a senator, he's yeah, he's got plenty 549 00:51:22.599 --> 00:51:25.159 of time, so I don't know, and I don't know if there's if 550 00:51:25.159 --> 00:51:30.320 there's even another option, if there's anything Biden can do by executive order on 551 00:51:30.400 --> 00:51:37.079 this. Maybe there is, but but you know, Democrats get get nervous 552 00:51:37.159 --> 00:51:44.559 about using their power. You know, it scares them so well. I 553 00:51:44.639 --> 00:51:50.679 mean, I guess one of my questions would be, would there be a 554 00:51:50.679 --> 00:51:54.519 p fedual light if I decided to start doing this one at a time, 555 00:51:55.679 --> 00:52:00.920 that there would be a forced order like the oldest ones would have to go 556 00:52:00.000 --> 00:52:07.880 first? Or could he take these very high level, really needed positions which 557 00:52:07.960 --> 00:52:16.039 kind of screws over the average guy military. But I mean, and you 558 00:52:16.079 --> 00:52:21.000 know, can we could could they do something like that? And I don't 559 00:52:21.079 --> 00:52:30.679 know that answer, but you know, could there be a kind of you 560 00:52:30.719 --> 00:52:34.360 know, let's just talk about the head of the navy, they head, 561 00:52:34.480 --> 00:52:40.199 you know, like the key the really key positions, like could those just 562 00:52:40.360 --> 00:52:44.599 go up? Or is there an order? Do you have any idea or 563 00:52:45.000 --> 00:52:49.079 that's kind of beyond your pay grade? Yeah, ifond my pay grade, 564 00:52:49.119 --> 00:52:53.199 I don't know. I don't know how it would work exactly, but something's 565 00:52:53.199 --> 00:52:58.719 got to be done. I mean, this is impacting military readiness that that 566 00:52:58.840 --> 00:53:01.719 impacts our national security. You know, it's it's it's it's uh, it's 567 00:53:02.000 --> 00:53:08.599 it's no joke. As President Biden would say, come on man. As 568 00:53:08.639 --> 00:53:16.079 President Biden would also say, So, McConnell, do you think they're going 569 00:53:16.119 --> 00:53:21.559 to try to force him out? Now? I doubt it. I doubt 570 00:53:21.599 --> 00:53:28.360 it. And it sounds like he's okay. It sounds like this is uh, 571 00:53:28.440 --> 00:53:32.280 you know, kind of residual, a residual problem as a result of 572 00:53:32.320 --> 00:53:37.840 that concussion that he had. So it sounds like he's probably fine. But 573 00:53:38.000 --> 00:53:43.840 I think he's uh. I think he's in that Senate seat for quite a 574 00:53:43.920 --> 00:53:50.320 few more years. So but he said sick, I think okay, yeah, 575 00:53:50.360 --> 00:53:55.320 so he's he's got a few years. So we'll see, uh, 576 00:53:55.440 --> 00:54:00.199 we'll see how he how he does. But yeah, I mean, I 577 00:54:00.239 --> 00:54:06.039 think if there were something that looked like it was going to be a long 578 00:54:06.119 --> 00:54:09.559 term problem, that would be different. But if it's if it's residual effects 579 00:54:09.559 --> 00:54:15.199 of the concussion that he sustained, then you know, in theory, from 580 00:54:15.239 --> 00:54:19.400 what I understand, not that I'm a medical professional, but just from what 581 00:54:19.440 --> 00:54:23.760 I've read, it's probably will it's a problem that will resolve and it'll be 582 00:54:23.840 --> 00:54:28.960 fine. But you know, but at that age there's other things that can 583 00:54:29.000 --> 00:54:39.119 go leng So we'll see McCarthy again. He's screwed. The nut cases are 584 00:54:39.199 --> 00:54:45.480 running the inside the saying asylum. Are we going to see a government shutdown? 585 00:54:47.159 --> 00:54:54.440 Probably it wouldn't surprise me. I don't know. I didn't heard go 586 00:54:54.559 --> 00:54:58.159 either way. I'm kind of fifty fifty on it, and I hope not. 587 00:54:58.320 --> 00:55:00.719 That costs the economy and enormous amount of money every time the government shuts 588 00:55:00.719 --> 00:55:07.400 down. I'd rather not see it. But I think it's uh, I 589 00:55:07.440 --> 00:55:09.800 think it's quite possible. But he's a weak you know, he's the weakest 590 00:55:10.079 --> 00:55:15.079 Speaker of the House ever in history. Really. I mean the deals he 591 00:55:15.119 --> 00:55:20.679 had to make to get get through that fifteen votes and then finally get confirmed 592 00:55:20.719 --> 00:55:23.920 as a speaker. You know, he's he's constantly got a gun to his 593 00:55:23.960 --> 00:55:29.599 head in a sense, you know. But now I think I should go 594 00:55:29.639 --> 00:55:34.199 either way. Actually, I mean he did. He did try to make 595 00:55:34.239 --> 00:55:37.360 the case the other day that you know, look, you all want to 596 00:55:37.400 --> 00:55:42.559 impeach Biden, but we can't impeach Biden if we're in the middle of the 597 00:55:42.599 --> 00:55:45.199 government shutdown. So you have to pick one. You know, he's saying 598 00:55:45.239 --> 00:55:47.719 this to the House Freedom Caucus. You know you got to pick one. 599 00:55:47.840 --> 00:55:55.320 We can't do both. So we'll see, could go either way. Well, 600 00:55:55.360 --> 00:56:00.000 if they set the government and then the economy numbers get back, then 601 00:56:00.000 --> 00:56:05.000 they're going to try to play bike right now, the economy, but the 602 00:56:05.079 --> 00:56:07.800 numbers look way too good for the Republicans to make a case of. That's 603 00:56:07.840 --> 00:56:15.559 why he had read a bike. Now they make the case anyway, not 604 00:56:15.679 --> 00:56:21.320 a good one, right, Okay, Well, let's see what's happening at 605 00:56:21.360 --> 00:56:27.199 the beginning of October. I'm sure there'll be lots of news, because that's 606 00:56:27.239 --> 00:56:28.800 just the way things are these days.