WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.760 --> 00:00:14.279 Adventist Radio London. Inspiration for the song. We welcome to Talking Point with 2 00:00:14.480 --> 00:00:21.519 Ray Angela, discussing the hot topics and answering your questions. Saturday's five to 3 00:00:21.679 --> 00:00:27.079 seven pm on Adventist Radio London. It's talking Point. It's talking Point. 4 00:00:27.320 --> 00:00:32.600 It's talking Point, it's talking Point, real conversations. You need to have 5 00:00:37.119 --> 00:00:41.240 good evening, good evening, good evening. Hopefully you are hearing me, 6 00:00:41.359 --> 00:00:44.560 lad and clear. Put this for our slightly light start. Having a few 7 00:00:44.560 --> 00:00:50.359 technical difficulties in the studio, but we are here with Talking Point. It's 8 00:00:50.439 --> 00:00:55.880 Sambath, sixteenth of September, and it feels like we've been off air for 9 00:00:55.960 --> 00:00:58.880 a little while, as they off air, actually live in studio and actually 10 00:00:58.880 --> 00:01:02.600 being a studio show. We took a bit of a break over the summer 11 00:01:02.640 --> 00:01:08.000 holiday, but we are back back with our regular scheduling, so welcome. 12 00:01:08.200 --> 00:01:14.319 I hope you've all had a good Sabbath and you've been blessed by the good 13 00:01:14.359 --> 00:01:19.000 weather. Might to see some sunshine today, so yes, welcome back everybody. 14 00:01:19.560 --> 00:01:25.799 Today, we've got a very interesting show and this month we are looking 15 00:01:25.879 --> 00:01:30.439 at the idea of therapeutic support and therapy and we're going to be highlighting one 16 00:01:30.439 --> 00:01:36.599 of our own services that we have in our Adventist church that's Cornerstone Counseling. 17 00:01:37.159 --> 00:01:41.959 So last week it was World Mental Health Day? Do we believe it was 18 00:01:42.680 --> 00:01:46.120 so? And the idea of mental health and what we can do to support 19 00:01:46.159 --> 00:01:49.560 that is I'm going to say it's a hot topic. I think it always 20 00:01:49.599 --> 00:01:53.359 has been, but definitely one that we know we need to continue with the 21 00:01:53.359 --> 00:01:57.760 conversation. So we're going to be highlighting Cornerstone, it's our own service that 22 00:01:57.799 --> 00:02:00.799 we have, but really talking about some of the issues and the concerns and 23 00:02:00.799 --> 00:02:04.159 the things that people are talking about and how they can gain the help for 24 00:02:04.359 --> 00:02:07.919 that. As always, I've got my two trusty co hosts with me. 25 00:02:08.479 --> 00:02:15.960 I've got Zenya and Petro. How are you both? I am well. 26 00:02:15.840 --> 00:02:22.000 I certainly enjoyed the break. I'm not going to tell a lie, but 27 00:02:22.159 --> 00:02:24.719 I am happy to be back as well. It's good to be with you 28 00:02:25.000 --> 00:02:30.800 in radio land. Welcome to Talking Point for we shouldn't really call it another 29 00:02:30.840 --> 00:02:35.360 season's night. After the break that we've had, I hope every one as 30 00:02:35.439 --> 00:02:38.479 well. I had a good summer, enjoyed the Sunshinels Angels said, it's 31 00:02:38.520 --> 00:02:44.159 been intermittent, but certainly when it's come, we've sort of vast in it 32 00:02:44.520 --> 00:02:49.840 and hopefully last a little longer. Indeed. Indeed, and Petro, how 33 00:02:49.879 --> 00:02:53.240 are you doing? Hello everybody, thank you for joining us tonight, and 34 00:02:53.360 --> 00:02:59.360 I'm talking point hello Rusty. Yeah, I did enjoy the time off, 35 00:02:59.400 --> 00:03:01.280 even though the same like, I did more stuff. It's like, you 36 00:03:01.319 --> 00:03:04.759 know, working and then you go on vacation. You do more on vacation 37 00:03:04.800 --> 00:03:07.879 than you do when you work. So say like, even though we had 38 00:03:07.879 --> 00:03:10.439 the break, I was doing more stuff, So I did enjoy it, 39 00:03:10.479 --> 00:03:15.360 though I had got to spend some time with the family, too much time 40 00:03:15.439 --> 00:03:20.439 actually, And you know, so I'm good. I'm glad to be back 41 00:03:20.479 --> 00:03:23.520 and able to talk to the folks and to you guys and to the health, 42 00:03:23.759 --> 00:03:27.599 to the guest, I mean cool. So yeah, I did enjoy 43 00:03:27.680 --> 00:03:30.240 myself good, and I will come back to our guests shortly. But as 44 00:03:30.280 --> 00:03:32.879 always, as we're going to start up, we're talking about really serious topics. 45 00:03:32.919 --> 00:03:38.560 So I was always going to invite the Lord into our conversation and to 46 00:03:38.599 --> 00:03:43.159 our programs. So let's pray to start as we continue on. Father God, 47 00:03:43.199 --> 00:03:45.199 I want to thank you for blessing us with a Sabbath day. Dear 48 00:03:45.240 --> 00:03:50.240 Lord, I thank you for the opportunity that we've had to worship with you 49 00:03:50.439 --> 00:03:53.879 and get a blessing from the songs, the words and everything that we heard 50 00:03:53.960 --> 00:03:57.439 during our day. As we are about to start our conversation about really serious 51 00:03:57.439 --> 00:04:00.240 topic, Dear Lord, I pray that you will come into this conversation, 52 00:04:00.879 --> 00:04:04.560 bless each person here who was taking part, and bless those who are listening, 53 00:04:04.599 --> 00:04:08.759 Dear Lord, that they will gain something beneficially useful. I thank you 54 00:04:08.800 --> 00:04:11.400 for hearing and answering our prayer and the mighty things that you will do. 55 00:04:11.759 --> 00:04:16.879 Amen, Amen, Amen. So how was your we've been we've been on 56 00:04:16.920 --> 00:04:24.959 a break, but how was your week been? Senior and Pedro. Goodness, 57 00:04:24.560 --> 00:04:30.160 that sounds a tricky question because we just zips fab I said, it's 58 00:04:30.160 --> 00:04:31.879 a bit of a blur and then all the black frow it, but it 59 00:04:31.959 --> 00:04:38.920 is. It's a bit of a black comber exactly what's happened this week, 60 00:04:39.759 --> 00:04:46.199 but it's worked as usual. What's going on there in preparation again for mental 61 00:04:46.240 --> 00:04:51.920 health, as you said, a very hot topic, close pandemic. It's 62 00:04:51.959 --> 00:04:59.639 even more on the radar, so or it's Mental Health Day. October tenth, 63 00:05:00.319 --> 00:05:01.920 and so we're trying to see what we might be able to do as 64 00:05:02.040 --> 00:05:05.800 a company for that. So yeah, just a lot happening as usual. 65 00:05:06.000 --> 00:05:11.040 As as Pedgure says, I mean, life just seems to just hurry on 66 00:05:11.160 --> 00:05:14.920 at the moment and we just have to learn to take step back, take 67 00:05:14.959 --> 00:05:20.199 a breath, reset, recharge. And I'm thankful for the Sabbath in that 68 00:05:20.279 --> 00:05:26.959 respect as well. So yeah, God's good, dude, and that's grateful 69 00:05:27.000 --> 00:05:30.319 to be here another a Sabbath day. Yeah, thank you about you? 70 00:05:30.759 --> 00:05:34.399 How was your someone? Did you say? And I'm not sure it's to 71 00:05:34.439 --> 00:05:38.480 the person at the mic, but I mean it was your someone? How 72 00:05:38.560 --> 00:05:41.040 was your It was busy? I kind of it was great. Again. 73 00:05:41.120 --> 00:05:44.160 It was really good that we'd had a bit of a break because it enabled 74 00:05:44.240 --> 00:05:47.560 us to do other things. I had lots of quite a few events. 75 00:05:47.600 --> 00:05:51.920 I sang at a worship event, which was a real blessing, and then 76 00:05:51.920 --> 00:05:56.759 I actually went to America. It's something you may know. I'm looking after 77 00:05:56.839 --> 00:06:00.800 my mum and it was actually to get some support. Let's go and see 78 00:06:00.879 --> 00:06:05.000 my sister in America. So we took a trip over there, and I've 79 00:06:05.079 --> 00:06:09.360 left my mum over there for another few weeks. But I'm really blessing and 80 00:06:09.360 --> 00:06:11.879 I kind of get this testimony when I went to the church over there actually 81 00:06:11.959 --> 00:06:15.800 to be able to the pandemic. Whilst it wasn't a great time, the 82 00:06:15.839 --> 00:06:19.800 reality of actually working remotely or working from home, working from home was a 83 00:06:19.920 --> 00:06:24.399 reality. Lots of people used to do this before, and I have worked 84 00:06:24.480 --> 00:06:28.920 from home previous times. But actually technology is afforded as the luxury and the 85 00:06:28.920 --> 00:06:31.759 privilege to be able to work from anywhere and the job that I do a 86 00:06:31.800 --> 00:06:35.199 lot of I meet with students, I meet a lot of them online anyway, 87 00:06:35.279 --> 00:06:38.920 so enabled to me, and we've got a policy at work that enables 88 00:06:39.000 --> 00:06:42.079 us to you know, I think in light of the pandemics, but to 89 00:06:42.120 --> 00:06:44.879 spend time with friends and family that it may not have been able to see, 90 00:06:45.120 --> 00:06:47.439 to be able to sort of you know, work somewhere else around the 91 00:06:47.480 --> 00:06:53.120 world. So I went for I went for a baptist two weeks, take 92 00:06:53.199 --> 00:06:56.199 my mum and obviously get supported my sister, go and see my sister. 93 00:06:56.279 --> 00:06:58.920 But also I was working there, which was a bit tricky because I was 94 00:06:58.959 --> 00:07:02.040 doing some very early arts starting at four o'clock in the morning, working on 95 00:07:02.199 --> 00:07:05.120 UK time, but it was a blessing nonetheless, and he just meant that 96 00:07:05.319 --> 00:07:10.040 had the afternoons to kind of do other things as well. So I got 97 00:07:10.040 --> 00:07:14.600 back a week ago, so yeah, getting back into normal UK routine. 98 00:07:15.560 --> 00:07:17.720 But yeah, so but again it was just a again, I realizing, 99 00:07:17.720 --> 00:07:20.000 you know, the year is flying past, and I know we say we 100 00:07:20.079 --> 00:07:23.759 say this literally every week, but I'm just like, where do the days 101 00:07:23.839 --> 00:07:26.959 go? You know, when you're really busy, you'll fling it with lots 102 00:07:26.959 --> 00:07:30.040 of things. So so I'm not sure if my mum and sister will be 103 00:07:30.079 --> 00:07:33.000 listening. They're probably started, but I'll give a shout out to Vichy Rose, 104 00:07:33.079 --> 00:07:38.839 the church that she goes to. And yeah, thankful that I'm able 105 00:07:38.879 --> 00:07:42.360 to travel, able to work remotely. And you know, as you said, 106 00:07:42.399 --> 00:07:44.480 life goes on and you try and make the best of it. I've 107 00:07:44.519 --> 00:07:47.800 had a few challenges are when I've got back, the perils of living in 108 00:07:47.839 --> 00:07:51.199 a flat underneath. People have meant that high deal with stuff that goes on, 109 00:07:51.439 --> 00:07:55.439 but I said, sorry for another time. So yeah, but thankful 110 00:07:55.480 --> 00:08:00.360 it's a sabbath and we're here. Probably it's some therapy myself to all of 111 00:08:00.399 --> 00:08:03.720 this. But then but yeah, but Petril, has your week been as 112 00:08:03.720 --> 00:08:09.560 well? Just like you guys, My week was hectic, went back to 113 00:08:09.600 --> 00:08:13.759 work. Uh, Like I said, we went to London, came back 114 00:08:13.800 --> 00:08:16.720 on the second day, went shopping for the kids for school uniforms on Monday, 115 00:08:18.360 --> 00:08:20.360 then back to school on Tuesday, and then back to work. And 116 00:08:20.399 --> 00:08:24.920 it's just been I can't even believe that it's already the but the sixteenth, 117 00:08:26.040 --> 00:08:30.279 it just feels like it was the second of September. It's like the days 118 00:08:30.279 --> 00:08:35.360 of just flying where I can't even like keep up anymore. Yeah, and 119 00:08:35.399 --> 00:08:41.559 it's just like ridiculous. But uh, when we were talking about doing this 120 00:08:41.600 --> 00:08:46.799 program, I thought about it too, because like with my job, I 121 00:08:46.919 --> 00:08:50.639 go to see all different types of people, and like, this week has 122 00:08:50.639 --> 00:08:54.120 really been weird because like I've been going to different houses and I've been meeting 123 00:08:54.159 --> 00:09:03.639 people that like could use therapy pretty much. They just the thought the stuff 124 00:09:03.679 --> 00:09:05.960 they go through. You never know what somebody's going through. You always think 125 00:09:05.960 --> 00:09:09.639 you have it worse, but there's always somebody worse than you, that's going 126 00:09:09.679 --> 00:09:13.240 through it worse than you or feeling it worse than you. So I was 127 00:09:13.320 --> 00:09:16.960 kind of looking forward to this program today because this week was just a weird 128 00:09:18.120 --> 00:09:20.639 week. Like everybody that I was going to see was just had a story 129 00:09:20.639 --> 00:09:24.200 to tell. It was just yeah, it was just like wow, okay, 130 00:09:24.399 --> 00:09:28.600 like you know, and so that's pretty much it out. It was 131 00:09:28.639 --> 00:09:31.720 for that. My week was was the same same, I don't want to 132 00:09:31.759 --> 00:09:37.440 say it the same old same one. It's time yeah, because it's it 133 00:09:37.519 --> 00:09:39.279 was. It was just yeah, it's just it's always the same old same. 134 00:09:39.320 --> 00:09:41.360 But it's like we just it seemed like we're like in a circle, 135 00:09:41.519 --> 00:09:43.720 like in a loop, and we just can't get out the loop. Yeah 136 00:09:45.440 --> 00:09:48.039 you can. It was like we're in a loop and you know, it's 137 00:09:48.120 --> 00:09:50.120 just the same old say it's like day jobl is just the same thing, 138 00:09:50.919 --> 00:09:54.799 the same routine. Get up to get the kids to school, get the 139 00:09:54.799 --> 00:09:56.919 word, come back home, go to sleep, wake up, do it 140 00:09:56.919 --> 00:10:00.639 all over again. In between you may eat every and then you know, 141 00:10:00.679 --> 00:10:03.039 who knows, Yeah, and I guess that and whilst that sometimes you know, 142 00:10:03.080 --> 00:10:07.159 the whole routine and the regularity of things could be good, that in 143 00:10:07.200 --> 00:10:09.519 itself could cause some challenges and some problems. So you know, if that's 144 00:10:09.559 --> 00:10:13.600 kind of an interesting thing that you're saying there, So with that fat way. 145 00:10:13.639 --> 00:10:15.679 I was trying with quick on that one one more before you think, 146 00:10:16.039 --> 00:10:18.960 Actually that was weird because one thing I would say, I was looking forward 147 00:10:20.000 --> 00:10:22.360 to the routine because during the summer time it was just so much. It 148 00:10:22.440 --> 00:10:26.039 was so manic and so crazy, and we was going so many different places 149 00:10:26.720 --> 00:10:31.559 that I was actually looking forward to the to just being able to just do 150 00:10:31.639 --> 00:10:35.080 the same thing every day, because it was like I was, I felt 151 00:10:35.120 --> 00:10:37.840 like I was like losing my mind because it was just so much going on, 152 00:10:37.480 --> 00:10:41.200 you know, going here for my wife to sing, then doing this 153 00:10:41.279 --> 00:10:43.879 with the kids, and then doing this with my wife again, and it 154 00:10:43.919 --> 00:10:45.639 was like it was gonna left right. I didn't know it the way I 155 00:10:45.639 --> 00:10:46.200 was. I didn't know if I was gonna left or right, or up 156 00:10:46.240 --> 00:10:50.240 or down. It was like so I actually getting back in the routine was 157 00:10:50.240 --> 00:10:54.360 actually kind of therapeutic, if you believe it. Even though maybe very busy, 158 00:10:54.440 --> 00:10:58.799 it was still a therapeutic because it was a routine. Yeah yeah, 159 00:10:58.879 --> 00:11:05.080 yeah, okay, interesting yeah, interesting. So as we're talking about so 160 00:11:05.159 --> 00:11:07.080 today, as I've said before, if you're just joining us, we are 161 00:11:07.080 --> 00:11:11.919 talking about it's going to be highlighting and looking at therapeutic support and we're highlighting 162 00:11:11.919 --> 00:11:16.960 one of our own services, Cornerstone Counseling, and we've been blessed today to 163 00:11:16.960 --> 00:11:22.279 be joined on the on the show today by two members from that team. 164 00:11:22.320 --> 00:11:26.039 So I'm going to get them to introduce them themselves and tell them tell us 165 00:11:26.039 --> 00:11:31.320 a little bit about themselves, what they do and how they're involved in the 166 00:11:31.399 --> 00:11:37.679 service. So I will start with let's art with Tembi. So, Hi, 167 00:11:39.159 --> 00:11:48.759 thank you for joining us today. Hi, Hi Angie then, and 168 00:11:54.320 --> 00:12:01.120 that's my name. Yeah, it's been very interesting to just listen to you 169 00:12:01.120 --> 00:12:09.840 guys chatting and discussing and just getting into knowing who you are and how life 170 00:12:09.840 --> 00:12:13.279 has been for you and your views on what's been happening. So thank you 171 00:12:13.360 --> 00:12:18.960 for that chat. And it also helped settle us down, didn't it. 172 00:12:18.039 --> 00:12:26.120 Grace. Yeah, Yes, my name is Timdy my Pinky rep. And 173 00:12:26.519 --> 00:12:33.000 I am I'm a mother, I'm a I'm a wife and a grandmother, 174 00:12:33.320 --> 00:12:41.440 a newly grandmother but two weeks old grandson. I'm just so excited. I'm 175 00:12:41.480 --> 00:12:48.080 just all over with excitement and I just can't wait just to kiss him all 176 00:12:48.120 --> 00:12:56.639 over. And I am currently working as the Counceling coordinator for the South England 177 00:12:56.720 --> 00:13:05.320 Conference of the Seventh Day Advantage Church. So Adventists Radio London is part of 178 00:13:05.399 --> 00:13:13.679 this church and its a department just like Connastone is. We do have a 179 00:13:13.799 --> 00:13:20.360 team of counselors that work with the counseling service. We've got about twenty one 180 00:13:20.480 --> 00:13:28.600 at the moment, and we specialize in many different areas. So we've got 181 00:13:28.679 --> 00:13:37.639 specialists in trauma. In fact, we now have about seven trained trauma specialists. 182 00:13:37.240 --> 00:13:45.480 We've got two family therapists, We've got couples that are pists. In 183 00:13:45.559 --> 00:13:50.879 fact, all our counselors have been trained to work with couples, although sometimes 184 00:13:50.919 --> 00:14:00.480 when we need specially more specialized complicated couple therapy, we then refer to those 185 00:14:00.519 --> 00:14:07.600 who specialized in that. We've got a specialist in working with children, specialists 186 00:14:07.799 --> 00:14:15.200 working with young people, and specialist in working with different areas, and those 187 00:14:15.240 --> 00:14:22.200 who are just trying to work in general with all the issues that come through 188 00:14:22.240 --> 00:14:28.440 the counseling service. Okay, so type your you a therapist yourself? Yes, 189 00:14:28.519 --> 00:14:33.879 I am. I am a therapist. I've been a therapist. I've 190 00:14:33.879 --> 00:14:39.080 been doing counseling since two thousand and two, okay, and I've worked as 191 00:14:39.120 --> 00:14:46.360 a school counselor I've worked as a college counselor, I've worked in private practice, 192 00:14:46.720 --> 00:14:52.039 I've worked as a council as at Cornerstone, and yes, i am 193 00:14:52.200 --> 00:14:56.919 a concling Okay, okay, so well versed in all of those areas. 194 00:14:56.919 --> 00:14:58.759 No doubts in a lot of people, so okay, So thank you for 195 00:14:58.759 --> 00:15:01.759 that giving us a little bit of an overview of the service. So I 196 00:15:01.799 --> 00:15:03.679 think that when we will come back to you, we've got lots of questions 197 00:15:03.720 --> 00:15:07.399 to be asking you about that. So you've been telling it's a little bit 198 00:15:07.440 --> 00:15:11.399 more about what counseling years, seripy years at etc. So we'll go on 199 00:15:11.480 --> 00:15:16.000 to and with you today we've got Grace. So hi Grace, thank you 200 00:15:16.039 --> 00:15:22.080 for joining us today and welcome and it's great to be here. Yes, 201 00:15:22.159 --> 00:15:24.120 so yes, just tell a little bit about yourself and what you do and 202 00:15:24.639 --> 00:15:30.960 yes, and your connections with Cornerstone. Yeah, brilliant. Thanks. So 203 00:15:31.159 --> 00:15:35.679 my name is doctor Grace answer rusy, but I'm not a doctor of counseling. 204 00:15:35.960 --> 00:15:39.080 I'll tell you the story. It's a long winded story. So I'm 205 00:15:39.120 --> 00:15:41.480 one of the volunteer counters with Cornerstone. I've been with Cornerstone just over a 206 00:15:41.559 --> 00:15:46.840 year actually, so I'm not I'm a relative newbe in the corner. I 207 00:15:48.080 --> 00:15:50.759 very much. I'm a movie there's people that have been there for years and 208 00:15:50.799 --> 00:15:56.000 years and years. So my original background academic suppose career background. I'm an 209 00:15:56.039 --> 00:16:02.919 organizational psychologist. So it basically means that try to keep people in work, 210 00:16:03.000 --> 00:16:04.799 try to help select the right people for work, help support them in the 211 00:16:04.799 --> 00:16:10.600 workplace for lots of things to do with training, coaching and psychiometric assessments and 212 00:16:10.639 --> 00:16:12.200 things. That's my day job. And I've been in that field for about 213 00:16:12.240 --> 00:16:18.879 fifteen years, and then back in twenty sixteen, I've decided, oh, 214 00:16:18.080 --> 00:16:25.320 actually miscounseling stuff. It sounds very intriguing because when I was a young kid 215 00:16:26.159 --> 00:16:29.799 up until now, people always kind of confided in me. They always wanted 216 00:16:29.799 --> 00:16:32.960 to talk to me about really deep things. And then in twenty sixteen, 217 00:16:33.039 --> 00:16:36.720 I was like, this is becoming even more common. Let me look into 218 00:16:36.759 --> 00:16:45.080 doing some additional training. So I did diploma postgraduate diploma in Psychotherical Accounseling at 219 00:16:45.080 --> 00:16:48.159 the University of East London in East London in the UK, and I started 220 00:16:48.159 --> 00:16:52.639 that in twenty eight two year part time. Of course, absolutely loved it 221 00:16:52.639 --> 00:16:55.440 and I've done too many degrees to count, but that has got to be 222 00:16:55.480 --> 00:16:59.919 my favorite one, and it involves, you know, you have to do 223 00:17:00.080 --> 00:17:03.119 certain number of hours of training on the course. I had to cut down 224 00:17:03.119 --> 00:17:07.319 my day job out to four days a week and do the course one day 225 00:17:07.359 --> 00:17:10.160 week. There's a lot of commitment, but one hundred percent worth it. 226 00:17:10.640 --> 00:17:15.039 And then just as the pandemic it, I became qualified. So I was 227 00:17:15.079 --> 00:17:18.839 doing a lot of my training online anyway, with online services and charities. 228 00:17:19.480 --> 00:17:22.680 That was even before the pandemic. So when I finished, I was very 229 00:17:22.799 --> 00:17:29.720 very well versed in working virtually with people anyway. So kind of just happen 230 00:17:29.799 --> 00:17:33.440 to work really well. So you know, that's a bit about me. 231 00:17:33.519 --> 00:17:37.519 So I juggle both. So I do. I have private practice, I 232 00:17:37.519 --> 00:17:40.720 work for Cornerstone. I have a day job as well, and a few 233 00:17:40.720 --> 00:17:42.240 of the bits and pobs I do at the side. Okay, So I 234 00:17:42.240 --> 00:17:47.119 could imagine you've come across a lot of different people as well throughout your time, 235 00:17:47.440 --> 00:17:52.440 especially as you said, within the workplace. So yeah, that's really 236 00:17:52.480 --> 00:17:53.960 interest So thank you, Grace. So yeah, Tenbi and Grace are here 237 00:17:55.039 --> 00:17:59.559 from Cornerstone, and really we kind of wanted to kind of unpack and just 238 00:17:59.559 --> 00:18:04.119 talk a little a bit about what this now. The words therapy, therapeutic 239 00:18:04.200 --> 00:18:10.480 support, counseling, psychology, you know, all the kinds of words that 240 00:18:10.640 --> 00:18:14.839 are associated and that link in with mental health. It really wants to kind 241 00:18:14.839 --> 00:18:18.440 of use this show today as a bit of introduction. Over our time on 242 00:18:18.559 --> 00:18:23.240 Talking Point, we have spoken about mental health. There are different awareness days 243 00:18:23.279 --> 00:18:27.839 throughout the year we've linked in talking about specific things like stress or trauma, 244 00:18:27.920 --> 00:18:33.279 approvement or what have you. But you know, again, it's always good 245 00:18:33.279 --> 00:18:36.599 to be having this conversation. So again what we want to do is highlight 246 00:18:36.640 --> 00:18:41.240 for any new listeners or anybody who you know is just joining us for the 247 00:18:41.279 --> 00:18:45.000 first time, or season listens as well, just kind of really highlight what's 248 00:18:45.039 --> 00:18:48.319 going on and what all these things are, what they mean, and how 249 00:18:48.359 --> 00:18:52.240 it can be applicable to them. If you are interested in, as I 250 00:18:52.279 --> 00:18:55.079 say this, if you're interested in joining in the conversation with us, we'd 251 00:18:55.119 --> 00:19:00.319 love to hear from you. You can email us on studio at Adventist Radio 252 00:19:00.440 --> 00:19:07.039 dot London, or you can text us on eight triple two eight write hope 253 00:19:07.200 --> 00:19:11.559 and then leave a space and then your message. I haven't nessally thought about 254 00:19:11.559 --> 00:19:14.640 a question that I'd like to do. But if you have any questions around 255 00:19:14.680 --> 00:19:18.240 therapy or any thoughts around that about therapeutic support, counseling, et cetera, 256 00:19:18.359 --> 00:19:22.799 do let us know. We'd love to hear from you. But yes, 257 00:19:22.920 --> 00:19:29.279 so, I guess also if I ask people their own experiences with the counsel 258 00:19:29.400 --> 00:19:32.839 or a therapy, because most of us did not all of us have had 259 00:19:32.880 --> 00:19:37.160 some engagement with in a therapeutic services, so let us know is it good, 260 00:19:37.240 --> 00:19:42.119 was it bad? What's your experienced? Never do it again? So 261 00:19:42.200 --> 00:19:48.480 yeah, definitely, So that's studio. Is that your experience again? No, 262 00:19:48.480 --> 00:19:52.039 no, no, it's really not actually, but for some people it 263 00:19:52.079 --> 00:19:56.279 doesn't always work out. And I guess we'll can talk about that a little 264 00:19:56.359 --> 00:20:00.960 later as well. So again Student Advantage Radio Dot London or Texas on eight 265 00:20:00.039 --> 00:20:06.160 Triple two eight Space Hope and then your message, So yeah, do during 266 00:20:06.200 --> 00:20:11.599 the conversation, so I guess to start off, then I guess really tender 267 00:20:11.680 --> 00:20:18.319 your grace just to kind of really explain to us about what is therapeutic support. 268 00:20:18.839 --> 00:20:22.799 Like I said, there are other kind of we're using the word buzzwords, 269 00:20:22.039 --> 00:20:26.000 but those kind of words that kind of you know, we will hear, 270 00:20:26.640 --> 00:20:30.680 and sometimes those words are slightly frightening, or people are concerned. Mental 271 00:20:30.680 --> 00:20:37.000 health as a topic as a theme is not always spoken about. Sometimes people 272 00:20:37.000 --> 00:20:42.640 aren't very comfortable talking about the topic itself or any experiences that you have. 273 00:20:44.000 --> 00:20:47.039 I think over the years, things have got a lot better, and things 274 00:20:47.079 --> 00:20:49.599 like the pandemic or this general situation. We're in a kind of economic crisis 275 00:20:49.599 --> 00:20:53.000 at the moment. The cost of of in crisis has brought these conversations to 276 00:20:53.039 --> 00:20:57.359 the forefront because people are really struggling. But people have been struggling for a 277 00:20:57.400 --> 00:21:02.039 long time. But I think raise awareness to different things that we know that 278 00:21:02.079 --> 00:21:06.480 happen throughout the year, do highlight that, but people still can be a 279 00:21:06.559 --> 00:21:11.400 bit reluctant to access to understand. So just tell us a little bit about 280 00:21:11.519 --> 00:21:19.200 what, yeah, therapeutic support is and what counseling is. Yeah, what's 281 00:21:19.240 --> 00:21:26.079 therapy? Do you want me to start? Just kind of drink so I 282 00:21:26.079 --> 00:21:30.480 don't want to catch up. So it's a good question because counseling, psychotherapy, 283 00:21:30.480 --> 00:21:34.200 therapeutic for all of those words are used interchangeably, and they can be 284 00:21:34.319 --> 00:21:38.440 quite scary, and to be honest, there's a lot of professionals within the 285 00:21:38.480 --> 00:21:44.759 space that don't know the difference between the words either, so it's not clear, 286 00:21:44.920 --> 00:21:48.039 and I think that leads to it being inaccessible to a certain extent because 287 00:21:48.039 --> 00:21:51.519 people are like, I don't know who to go to and for so counseling 288 00:21:52.039 --> 00:21:56.880 and psychotherapy they're the ones that are probably used the most interchangeably. But there 289 00:21:56.920 --> 00:22:02.039 technically is a difference, but in practice it's a bit more blood. So 290 00:22:02.200 --> 00:22:07.720 counseling is supposed to be more short term support focused on one thing or two 291 00:22:07.799 --> 00:22:11.240 things, like it could be like bereavement, it could be anxiety, even 292 00:22:11.240 --> 00:22:18.160 though that's wide reaching and it's time bound. So with for example, the 293 00:22:18.240 --> 00:22:26.079 NHS, you get six to eight sessions of cognitive behavior sorry cognitive behavioral therapy 294 00:22:26.319 --> 00:22:30.799 in one go, and that would be probably to look at one specific thing 295 00:22:30.039 --> 00:22:36.720 or a few things rather than your whole life, where psychotherapy technically much more 296 00:22:36.799 --> 00:22:41.240 long term. It's more open ended, so you might work with someone and 297 00:22:41.279 --> 00:22:42.599 they might not be an end date, or it could be that you work 298 00:22:42.640 --> 00:22:47.799 with them for a year very regularly, so once a week minimum kind of 299 00:22:47.799 --> 00:22:52.079 time, and that can really focus on things that are really far in the 300 00:22:52.160 --> 00:22:59.960 past, so childhood traumas as well as current focus things that they want to 301 00:23:00.039 --> 00:23:07.799 focused on the client. So that's mainly difference in theory, but in practice 302 00:23:07.200 --> 00:23:11.160 it doesn't always work like that. So I'm going to handle them being to 303 00:23:11.279 --> 00:23:14.440 give us a little bit more because, like I said, I'm a neating 304 00:23:15.640 --> 00:23:22.839 Thank you, thank you for that. Grace well said, even though a 305 00:23:23.000 --> 00:23:30.079 psychotherapy is long term, it does not mean that the counselors who do not 306 00:23:30.680 --> 00:23:36.440 short term cannot cover some of the childhood issues. So they are also trained 307 00:23:36.519 --> 00:23:42.359 in covering all that, but it's more short term that The difference also comes 308 00:23:42.400 --> 00:23:52.960 in the training. Counselors are trained for a shorter period and psychotherapists they've got 309 00:23:53.160 --> 00:24:02.880 more specialized training to deal with deeper issues that people bring to therapy. And 310 00:24:02.960 --> 00:24:08.519 there's Grace say that it's used very much interchangeably, and it's very difficult to 311 00:24:08.559 --> 00:24:18.920 know the difference. So usually it is for the clinicians themselves to be able 312 00:24:18.000 --> 00:24:25.839 to know the difference to say, now I need to refer right, is 313 00:24:25.880 --> 00:24:32.000 it? Because in my mind, when I think counseling and when I think 314 00:24:32.039 --> 00:24:37.640 psychotherapy or psychiatrists, I think of the word psychic or psychosis or that comes 315 00:24:37.680 --> 00:24:41.200 to mind. So I feel like the person who's dealing with psychotherapy or psych 316 00:24:41.400 --> 00:24:45.599 the psychiatric side of things and dealing with some of the there's more complex issues 317 00:24:45.720 --> 00:24:52.839 or maybe biological sort of wiring or miswiring as well. And I wouldn't want 318 00:24:52.880 --> 00:24:56.640 to say to someone, and I think this is where we're shedding light on 319 00:24:56.720 --> 00:25:00.240 the matter, I wouldn't want to say to someone I'm seeing a psychia trist 320 00:25:00.319 --> 00:25:03.839 and rather say I'm seeing a therapist or I'm seeing a counselor, because it 321 00:25:03.880 --> 00:25:08.559 just seems to me that that's more common, that's more I mean, gosh, 322 00:25:10.519 --> 00:25:14.839 as opposed to seeing is that some of the differences that you you having 323 00:25:14.920 --> 00:25:18.880 counters and help people see see a counselor or a therapist as opposed to someone 324 00:25:18.880 --> 00:25:25.359 who's a psychotherapist or a psychiatric I'm a psychiatrist. A common misconception is that 325 00:25:25.480 --> 00:25:27.839 just me. Yeah, I mean no, it's not just you. I 326 00:25:27.839 --> 00:25:32.880 think there's so many different ideas. And the term psycho, I think it's 327 00:25:32.920 --> 00:25:36.359 either Latin or Greek for mind. That's all, that's what it actually means, 328 00:25:36.400 --> 00:25:40.480 that's where it's roots from. So I can understand why you would you 329 00:25:40.519 --> 00:25:45.319 would connect it with more like clinical in a clinical setting. But I'm so 330 00:25:45.359 --> 00:25:49.720 I'll go through the terms. So you've got like counting psychologist, you've got 331 00:25:49.759 --> 00:25:52.920 clinical psychologists, and you've got psychiatrists, and then you've got counsels as a 332 00:25:53.000 --> 00:25:56.920 psycho therapist. And then everyone's like, what on Earth space do they do? 333 00:25:57.839 --> 00:26:02.359 So yet no for real and I get it. It's very confusing. 334 00:26:02.599 --> 00:26:07.240 So a psychiatrist is a medical doctor. They've done five years of undergrad in 335 00:26:07.279 --> 00:26:11.440 a medical degree. But I'm talking about the UK based, but I think 336 00:26:11.519 --> 00:26:15.599 in American Richins say they've done their basic medical training that will do, you 337 00:26:15.640 --> 00:26:18.680 know, go through everything anatomy, physiology anyway, at the end of that, 338 00:26:18.799 --> 00:26:23.440 they are a medical doctor. Then they do their two post graduation years 339 00:26:23.480 --> 00:26:27.519 in an NHS hospital, which is general so they're not working in a psych 340 00:26:27.519 --> 00:26:30.240 ward straight away. They will have a placement in there maybe if they are 341 00:26:30.279 --> 00:26:33.480 left to do that. Then they decide what specialism they want to do, 342 00:26:33.920 --> 00:26:40.640 and then if that is psychiatry, they work specifically in a psychiatric ward whatever 343 00:26:40.799 --> 00:26:45.000 with adults, children, it could be people with learning disabilities, all these 344 00:26:45.079 --> 00:26:51.119 kinds of different placements. Then they do exams and they are connected to the 345 00:26:51.200 --> 00:26:56.720 Royal College of Psychiatrists which is based I think near London, not like south 346 00:26:57.160 --> 00:27:00.759 central London now because I used to work for the ironically, even though I'm 347 00:27:00.799 --> 00:27:06.119 not psychiatrists, So that's what psychotrist said. Usually the they're the only ones 348 00:27:06.160 --> 00:27:11.680 that are allowed to prescribe drugs, so things like antidepressants, things like anti 349 00:27:11.680 --> 00:27:14.759 anxiety cher eugs, and they're the only ones that they're not the only ones, 350 00:27:14.839 --> 00:27:22.319 but they're mainly able to diagnose different things like bipolar disorder or actual depression, 351 00:27:22.480 --> 00:27:26.880 all of those things that your GP will refer you to a psychiatrist if 352 00:27:26.920 --> 00:27:32.160 there are roots for concern, and that would be in within an NHS setting. 353 00:27:32.440 --> 00:27:36.400 A psychiatrist is not necessarily a therapist though they're not account they're not a 354 00:27:36.480 --> 00:27:41.279 therapist. They're trained in the medical model and they can prescribe drugs and they 355 00:27:41.279 --> 00:27:45.319 can also prescribe talking therapies as well. That would be under an NHS banner 356 00:27:45.440 --> 00:27:48.640 or if they're private, the same kind of thing. So that's what psychiatrists 357 00:27:48.720 --> 00:27:53.480 are. Nobody else is a medical doctor within the sphere, yes, but 358 00:27:53.680 --> 00:27:57.200 there are people that have doctorate though, so that is a psychiatrist. A 359 00:27:57.279 --> 00:28:03.640 clinical psychologist is some and that's done an undergraduate and psychology, or a conversion 360 00:28:03.680 --> 00:28:07.960 course in psychology that's three years, or if they've crammed the conversion courses one 361 00:28:07.039 --> 00:28:12.759 year. They do specific work experience within NHS settings or mental health settings, 362 00:28:12.960 --> 00:28:18.799 lots of different settings. Then they apply to a professional doctorate which is NHS 363 00:28:18.839 --> 00:28:25.359 funded, and that professional doctorate is three years full time and they work and 364 00:28:25.519 --> 00:28:29.839 learn different things to do with like research. They will have placements in different 365 00:28:30.400 --> 00:28:37.039 NHS settings like children like child and anolescent mental health services, elderly people. 366 00:28:37.480 --> 00:28:41.079 They might work with people with autism, they might work people with dementias, 367 00:28:41.119 --> 00:28:45.400 so they work very much within the NHS setting. Multidisciplinary so they might work 368 00:28:45.480 --> 00:28:48.960 psychiatrists, but they also might work with medical doctors like tps. They also 369 00:28:49.039 --> 00:28:55.680 might work with people in intensive care units as well, so they're trained by 370 00:28:55.680 --> 00:29:00.759 the NHS. Counseling psychologists are very similar. They work in very similar setting. 371 00:29:02.200 --> 00:29:06.640 The only different One of the only differences is their funding isn't funded by 372 00:29:06.640 --> 00:29:11.319 the NHS. So somebody who wants to do councing psychology undergraduate in psychology again, 373 00:29:11.680 --> 00:29:18.000 they also do one year work experience and then they will apply to different 374 00:29:18.079 --> 00:29:22.200 universities to do a professional doctorate similar way, to the clinical psychologists, but 375 00:29:22.319 --> 00:29:29.319 their training is more grounded in more therapeutic models than clinical to a certain extent. 376 00:29:29.759 --> 00:29:32.400 And technically, and again I don't want to get in trouble for this, 377 00:29:32.640 --> 00:29:37.720 So technically, on paper, counseling psychologists are meant to technically work with 378 00:29:37.799 --> 00:29:45.359 people who have less acute challenges, so like not severely, and then clinical 379 00:29:45.400 --> 00:29:51.359 psychologists are technically meant to work with people who have more severe problems conditions. 380 00:29:51.440 --> 00:29:56.359 However, in reality it doesn't work like that at all. Any clinical psychologists 381 00:29:56.359 --> 00:30:00.920 and counting psychologists work with whoever they get basically and broken wor with acute a 382 00:30:00.039 --> 00:30:04.400 broken work with mild to medium that kind of like common mental health disorders as 383 00:30:04.400 --> 00:30:07.720 well. So it on paper it looks one way, but in reality it's 384 00:30:07.720 --> 00:30:14.200 totally different. And I just asked that, is that because of the demand 385 00:30:14.559 --> 00:30:19.400 just before we move on? Is that that people out across disciplines and people 386 00:30:19.480 --> 00:30:26.039 see different people from different things. Is that I demanded you. I'm not 387 00:30:26.160 --> 00:30:30.599 really sure, not accounts. I think it's just how the NHS is set 388 00:30:30.720 --> 00:30:36.079 up. So on paper they've they've defined it, but in reality everything kind 389 00:30:36.119 --> 00:30:37.000 of just goes in with the wash, if you know, what I mean 390 00:30:37.039 --> 00:30:40.640 in the NHS service, right, you've trained in this, right, you 391 00:30:40.640 --> 00:30:45.599 can s you can see this client. And then you have other specialisms as 392 00:30:45.640 --> 00:30:52.920 well. There's like Psychoanalytics support, which is also an NHS funded professional doctorate 393 00:30:52.160 --> 00:30:56.920 as well. That's quite specialist too in some services, and all of the 394 00:30:56.960 --> 00:31:00.759 trust will have these different kind of professionals to work with as well, so 395 00:31:00.799 --> 00:31:06.400 they'll just refery just whoever. Okay, so that's about it. I think 396 00:31:06.440 --> 00:31:08.720 I've covered law. Yeah, No, definitely, I was gonna say, 397 00:31:08.720 --> 00:31:12.759 definitely a mindfield, which is why we're having to talk a conversation to look 398 00:31:12.799 --> 00:31:15.200 kind to say, right, Actually, there's a lot to unpack there, 399 00:31:15.279 --> 00:31:18.799 and I guess if you had no idea where to start, but it's been 400 00:31:18.839 --> 00:31:22.240 really useful actually to kind of know that there are differences. There are difference 401 00:31:22.319 --> 00:31:26.680 that they cover and Temba. You mentioned the different types of therapy that Corner 402 00:31:26.759 --> 00:31:30.640 Sent offers, but there are out there, so I guess each of those 403 00:31:32.400 --> 00:31:36.839 those practitioners they may work in different ways or do different people. And you 404 00:31:36.920 --> 00:31:44.240 mentioned kind of couples trauma inform of therapy with children young people, is there 405 00:31:44.279 --> 00:31:47.359 a lot of kind of I mean, I guess because of those different specialisms 406 00:31:47.400 --> 00:31:52.519 for areas, are they quite different or will people just work? I'm saying 407 00:31:52.519 --> 00:31:57.039 they are different, But how do do some of them require different types of 408 00:31:59.000 --> 00:32:02.839 practitioners to others or it's all quite interchangeable depending of what the person's size to 409 00:32:02.880 --> 00:32:10.680 specialize on. Okay. What we try to do is when we do an 410 00:32:10.680 --> 00:32:20.519 assessment, it will how light the issues the client brings, So we then 411 00:32:20.799 --> 00:32:29.240 choose the counselor that is best suited to work with that, Okay. And 412 00:32:29.319 --> 00:32:34.039 that's based on their training, their experience. Yes, it's based on their 413 00:32:34.079 --> 00:32:38.920 training, their experience, their their competence in that field. And I know 414 00:32:38.960 --> 00:32:43.240 you mentioned a little bit. There's different obviously, there's different types of I 415 00:32:43.240 --> 00:32:46.559 don't know what you call the models or different ways of working. So what 416 00:32:46.680 --> 00:32:50.720 would be some of those? And I know, Grace, you mentioned cognitive 417 00:32:50.759 --> 00:32:55.759 behavioral therapy commonly known as cbteam. I've heard that, and you mentioned I 418 00:32:55.759 --> 00:33:00.480 think psychodynamic as well. I think it's in there somewhere. So what are 419 00:33:00.480 --> 00:33:05.759 the other other sort of models or practices or because again that's kind of added 420 00:33:05.839 --> 00:33:07.839 to the different people who are the practitioners, but the way in which they 421 00:33:07.839 --> 00:33:15.160 work. Yes, there is also solution focused, which is very common in 422 00:33:15.240 --> 00:33:24.359 the NHS. We've got internal family systems, we've got a person centered that 423 00:33:24.680 --> 00:33:34.240 is more as it says, person centered, and we tend to to be 424 00:33:34.359 --> 00:33:40.480 integrative at cornerstone. So that means we're pull in whichever model suits the need 425 00:33:40.920 --> 00:33:51.119 of the client, right, And I think we generally integrate intusibity. Right. 426 00:33:51.359 --> 00:33:55.799 When I say we integrate, we also our basic model will be cibity, 427 00:33:57.000 --> 00:34:01.200 and we work from that background, pulling in solution focus when we needed, 428 00:34:01.680 --> 00:34:07.759 pulling in psychodynamic when we needed, right. Okay, So it's kind 429 00:34:07.759 --> 00:34:10.079 of, yeah, pulling from all the almost like pulling for different resources as 430 00:34:10.119 --> 00:34:15.119 it were, to kind of work with. But you mentioned about person centered, 431 00:34:15.159 --> 00:34:16.880 so the idea that it actually is about the person who is there and 432 00:34:16.920 --> 00:34:21.519 you're kind of working around what's going to be the best thing for that person 433 00:34:21.639 --> 00:34:25.239 and their particular need. Yeah, okay, yeah, and in general too, 434 00:34:25.400 --> 00:34:30.559 to be honest, almost all therapy is person centered in a way. 435 00:34:30.760 --> 00:34:39.440 Yes, yeah, because we are looking at the person, their needs and 436 00:34:39.480 --> 00:34:43.400 what's going to be helpful for them. Okay, So yes, the core 437 00:34:43.480 --> 00:34:49.159 conditions of the person sent that model to think about the person being congruent, 438 00:34:49.960 --> 00:34:57.559 being sympathetic. They come into every counceling model. Yeah, so they and 439 00:34:57.679 --> 00:35:04.039 more about that. I trained integratively, so we learned about all of a 440 00:35:04.039 --> 00:35:07.559 lot of different models, like just out and like a person center, sitution 441 00:35:07.639 --> 00:35:13.000 focus. We learn about most of them, but we primarily trained in person 442 00:35:13.119 --> 00:35:15.280 centered and I've got to say it's it's definitely my go to. It's my 443 00:35:15.360 --> 00:35:22.280 favorite because if everything else is not there, you focus on the client. 444 00:35:22.480 --> 00:35:24.559 So I don't, I won't. I try not to come in with any 445 00:35:24.559 --> 00:35:29.440 preconceived ideas, even if they spoke about something the week before. Whatever they 446 00:35:29.480 --> 00:35:31.639 want to bring this session, they bring it, and that's what we're working 447 00:35:31.679 --> 00:35:36.519 with. So we're really working with what that client brings on that day their 448 00:35:36.599 --> 00:35:39.000 self and everything that comes with it, so they don't have to leave anything 449 00:35:39.000 --> 00:35:44.000 out of the of the equation if they don't want to. And it's quite 450 00:35:44.039 --> 00:35:46.719 liberating to work that way for the client and as for the therapist to be 451 00:35:46.760 --> 00:35:50.800 honest. Okay, yeah, yeah, So with that in mind, then 452 00:35:50.880 --> 00:35:53.719 obviously there's lots of different ways of work people are gonna work of you what 453 00:35:53.840 --> 00:35:58.679 really is the benefits of therapy? Like, you know, why is it? 454 00:35:58.840 --> 00:36:00.000 I mean It's almost like say, why do you do what you do? 455 00:36:00.079 --> 00:36:02.800 But why is it? Why is it helpful? And why is it 456 00:36:02.880 --> 00:36:07.559 needed? And I'm asking this almost rhetorically because I kind of know the answer 457 00:36:07.599 --> 00:36:13.519 to some of this, but you know, yeah, why why would somebody 458 00:36:13.599 --> 00:36:15.800 access therapy? What's going to be the benefits? And how is that helpful? 459 00:36:17.880 --> 00:36:22.559 M? And do you get first? Yeah? You want me to 460 00:36:22.639 --> 00:36:31.199 go? Yeah, go ahead, Grace. I think canceling us and therapy 461 00:36:31.320 --> 00:36:37.760 in general in general does have a lot of benefits, and some of these 462 00:36:37.119 --> 00:36:45.960 subtle benefits that we don't think about. Our self awareness, just being aware 463 00:36:45.079 --> 00:36:53.199 of who you are, your needs, your understanding of yourself, your stressors, 464 00:36:54.239 --> 00:37:02.800 how you deal with the difficult issues in life. It also helps with 465 00:37:06.119 --> 00:37:13.599 really learning how to have problem solving skills. I'll leave some for Grace to 466 00:37:13.840 --> 00:37:23.440 fill into that. And it also helps with having just a general well being 467 00:37:25.199 --> 00:37:32.480 that is mostly linked with positive changes into our brain and body. Yeah. 468 00:37:32.519 --> 00:37:39.960 I when Petrol started the conversation and he mentioned that he'd been to several houses 469 00:37:40.480 --> 00:37:47.559 this past week that he felt people needed to talk to someone in doing preparation 470 00:37:47.639 --> 00:37:52.199 for this program, it made me understand that really we all need to speak 471 00:37:52.199 --> 00:37:58.400 to someone. It's not necessarily when we come to crisis mode, and I 472 00:37:58.400 --> 00:38:01.400 feel like that's probably something that we will delve into as we continue this program. 473 00:38:01.480 --> 00:38:08.039 But it just makes you understand that prevention is better than cure, and 474 00:38:08.199 --> 00:38:15.000 we are necessarily needing to go to counselors when everything's fallen apart. But it's 475 00:38:15.480 --> 00:38:22.000 a process of keeping things together. Like like any successful athlete would have a 476 00:38:22.039 --> 00:38:29.639 coach alongside them to get them prepared and to keep them focused and all that 477 00:38:29.719 --> 00:38:35.480 sort of stuff. I think in that same way, therapists and counselors are 478 00:38:35.519 --> 00:38:42.199 able to keep us emotionally prepared, emotionally intact. So in doing this program 479 00:38:42.360 --> 00:38:44.599 or preparing for this program, made me realize that, no, it's not 480 00:38:44.639 --> 00:38:47.719 necessarily for crisis or when you've got trauma, when you've got a problem, 481 00:38:47.840 --> 00:38:51.519 it could be just to have someone, as you said them, to talk 482 00:38:51.559 --> 00:38:54.679 things out with and to reason with and to you don't know what you don't 483 00:38:54.719 --> 00:38:59.400 know, and when you're speaking to someone who has experienced and has been through 484 00:38:59.440 --> 00:39:01.199 it with others, they might be able to point you in the right direction, 485 00:39:01.239 --> 00:39:05.679 will help you if not pointed, but help you to get there. 486 00:39:07.320 --> 00:39:09.480 And that is something that we don't often think about when we think about therapy. 487 00:39:09.519 --> 00:39:14.039 We think it's that point when you know the whole world's fallen apart and 488 00:39:14.480 --> 00:39:17.320 you know we're in shambles. And again we want to talk about that a 489 00:39:17.360 --> 00:39:22.280 little later on because as Christians we don't necessarily feel that we should go on 490 00:39:22.480 --> 00:39:25.559 and there's a lot of discussion that we want to have about that as well, 491 00:39:25.920 --> 00:39:29.880 whether we think, okay, we've we've got faith, we've got God, 492 00:39:30.280 --> 00:39:32.920 do we need anybody else. But for me, in preparing for this, 493 00:39:34.000 --> 00:39:36.239 it made me realize, you know what, maybe I should have a 494 00:39:36.280 --> 00:39:39.920 conversation because again you don't know what you don't know. Yeah, yeah, 495 00:39:40.199 --> 00:39:46.159 And I think that's thank you for that. Then. I think that's one 496 00:39:46.280 --> 00:39:51.000 of the things that you do when you are training to be a counselor. 497 00:39:51.519 --> 00:39:57.719 You have to go into canceling yourself so that you get to know yourself. 498 00:39:57.760 --> 00:40:02.719 You get to understand who you are, You get in touch, yes with 499 00:40:02.840 --> 00:40:08.400 the real you mm in case you go and meet yourself in the counseling room 500 00:40:08.440 --> 00:40:17.719 and your daughter know what to do. That's really interesting client. It happened 501 00:40:17.880 --> 00:40:25.800 so much, and again most courses will make the students had some level of 502 00:40:25.800 --> 00:40:30.639 personal therapy. Mine. It wasn't a requirement. I was probably very rare 503 00:40:30.679 --> 00:40:35.440 in that, but I went and sought therapy I think about six months before 504 00:40:35.480 --> 00:40:37.159 I started my course, and I've never I had the bit of CDC before, 505 00:40:37.199 --> 00:40:39.559 but I've never had what I had, and I had to him for 506 00:40:39.599 --> 00:40:45.280 about near on five years, and I've got to say I, hands down 507 00:40:45.400 --> 00:40:50.239 again, not everybody can access private therapists that long. I couldn't either. 508 00:40:50.239 --> 00:40:52.519 I got you know, you just to make it work, right, Yeah, 509 00:40:52.960 --> 00:40:57.199 I left things apparently. Yeah, it was amazing. It was. 510 00:40:57.320 --> 00:41:00.639 It was probably one of the most important thing I've experienced in my life. 511 00:41:00.679 --> 00:41:04.760 Without the therapeutic training, and even if I just had that, I would 512 00:41:04.760 --> 00:41:08.199 have learned so much about myself. But it's it's really made me understand myself 513 00:41:08.280 --> 00:41:15.880 so much more and understand dynamics as well, like family dynamics, work dynamics, 514 00:41:15.880 --> 00:41:17.159 Like why am I reacting to this person like that? Okay, it's 515 00:41:17.159 --> 00:41:22.199 probably because they remind me of someone who you know, all this past trauba 516 00:41:22.239 --> 00:41:27.760 gets stricked up and sometimes it is scary concept or going to a therapist because 517 00:41:27.760 --> 00:41:29.840 you're like, I don't even want to touch all that stuff. That I 518 00:41:30.880 --> 00:41:32.400 because if I open it up, I don't know what's going to come out. 519 00:41:32.880 --> 00:41:39.400 And that's part of the joy of it because the therapist or the counselor 520 00:41:39.599 --> 00:41:45.039 is there to contain. They're there to containing primarily, it's there to contain 521 00:41:45.119 --> 00:41:51.480 your feelings and you've got that hourly where you're able to basically use it as 522 00:41:51.519 --> 00:41:54.920 you want to and then use those tools for the rest of the time. 523 00:41:55.159 --> 00:42:00.719 So basically what we're trying to say that most they also have therapy, so 524 00:42:00.800 --> 00:42:04.480 they're on the other side, and if they have therapy, that has something 525 00:42:04.480 --> 00:42:07.280 called sick visions. So that's another way that we strengthen our muscles in the 526 00:42:07.280 --> 00:42:12.519 therapytic language and get advice and guidance as well. So we're not we're not 527 00:42:12.519 --> 00:42:16.760 on our island our working yeah, yeah, yeah, And it is it 528 00:42:16.920 --> 00:42:24.440 is recommended that we go into personal canceling ever so often because even as you 529 00:42:24.559 --> 00:42:30.559 work with others, there are certain areas of your life that you might have 530 00:42:30.800 --> 00:42:36.800 not touched in your personal counseling. As a students, because life happens as 531 00:42:36.800 --> 00:42:42.360 you grow, there are things that keep happening, So we need to be 532 00:42:42.480 --> 00:42:47.000 going into canceling ourselves to empty out. Is it to clean up, clean 533 00:42:47.559 --> 00:42:54.599 out o our inner emotional world so that we're able to contain the issues that 534 00:42:54.639 --> 00:43:00.440 are brought to us. Cool? Cool, Okay, Well because a break 535 00:43:00.480 --> 00:43:04.639 for music break, So I've this is one of my shows. Actually, 536 00:43:05.079 --> 00:43:08.840 I'm just reminded of Mary. Mary can't give up now because even though things 537 00:43:08.960 --> 00:43:13.719 can be really challenging, and we're talking about the support and the help that 538 00:43:13.760 --> 00:43:16.199 you can to help you manage and find solutions to work it out. So 539 00:43:16.400 --> 00:43:21.679 we're gonna have a quick listen to Mary, Mary, I can't give we 540 00:43:21.719 --> 00:43:52.280 can't give up now. They will be mountain I will have climb and they 541 00:43:52.079 --> 00:44:01.400 will be bettles that I will have fine, But to be or defeat, 542 00:44:02.679 --> 00:44:13.159 it's up to me to decide. But how can I expect to win if 543 00:44:13.320 --> 00:44:30.639 I never try? I just came up, come to fartomwhere I start. 544 00:44:34.559 --> 00:44:44.239 Nobody told me the world would be easy. I don't. He's brought me 545 00:44:44.440 --> 00:44:54.360 this far to me. Never said there wouldn't be tryl never said I would 546 00:44:54.760 --> 00:45:04.199 it far, never said that ever bang would go the way I wanted to 547 00:45:04.280 --> 00:45:10.800 go. But when my back is against the wall and I feel a hole 548 00:45:12.440 --> 00:45:19.320 is gone, I'll just give my head up to the sky and say he'll 549 00:45:19.519 --> 00:45:34.360 be to be strong. I just gave up. Now come to bar from 550 00:45:34.599 --> 00:45:47.599 where I start and from nobody told me the road one being, I don't 551 00:45:47.639 --> 00:46:05.119 believe he's walking this far to be show you no to be done even when 552 00:46:05.239 --> 00:46:21.039 I can't click me. I told that when it's a cat, can't come 553 00:46:22.840 --> 00:46:35.519 far from where I say it told me a number one want me, but 554 00:46:35.800 --> 00:46:40.559 dad, I don't believe. Non't bepla no, no, no, no 555 00:46:43.639 --> 00:47:07.760 no, But I came far or too. I'm gonna be. I'm gonna 556 00:47:07.880 --> 00:47:35.079 be. I don't come in the fire the fire come mind you who know 557 00:47:35.280 --> 00:48:24.159 what I said that it was on the day I know I can't. Are 558 00:48:24.199 --> 00:48:30.199 you struggling to cope with life? Conflict, bereavement, fear, relationship, 559 00:48:30.599 --> 00:48:38.559 anger, depression, negative thoughts, trauma and uncertainty can all cause emotional imbalance. 560 00:48:39.360 --> 00:48:46.079 Don't struggle alone. CCS, your trusted confidential counseling service, is here 561 00:48:46.159 --> 00:48:52.679 for you. Call our listening line on zero double three zero one double three 562 00:48:52.800 --> 00:48:58.880 two nine four five, our office line for appointments on zero two zero double 563 00:48:59.000 --> 00:49:06.400 seven two three eight zero five zero, or visit our website www dot CCS 564 00:49:06.599 --> 00:49:14.519 Counseling dot org dot UK. Our counselors speak various languages. CCS a shoulder 565 00:49:14.599 --> 00:49:22.679 to lean on, we are here to listen. Okay, Yes, there's 566 00:49:22.719 --> 00:49:29.320 an ad advert for Cornerstone Councilage right there, definitely, and I love that 567 00:49:29.519 --> 00:49:37.800 shoulder to lean on right there. And before that we had Mary. Mary 568 00:49:37.280 --> 00:49:40.360 can't give up now because as we said, yes, things I'll do get 569 00:49:40.400 --> 00:49:45.199 difficult, but there is help out there, There is support there. So 570 00:49:45.360 --> 00:49:52.639 just before the music we were talking about the benefits of therapy, getting getting 571 00:49:52.679 --> 00:49:57.000 some support and therapeutic support. But I guess and I kind of we've sort 572 00:49:57.039 --> 00:50:00.639 of lead a little bit to it. Obviously, we're highlighting Cornerstone to being 573 00:50:00.679 --> 00:50:04.719 a Christian. It's part of our STA Saint the Adventist Church, and it's 574 00:50:04.719 --> 00:50:08.960 a Christian organization. It's a Christian counseling service. So I guess I's wanted 575 00:50:09.039 --> 00:50:14.840 to move into talking about spirituality, faith, being a Christian and how that 576 00:50:15.000 --> 00:50:20.920 kind of links into therapeutic support. Is there a link? Is it important 577 00:50:21.239 --> 00:50:24.719 to the things kind of can they merge together? You know, you're a 578 00:50:24.840 --> 00:50:29.079 Christian service, so I'd be interested to know sort of what the benefits are 579 00:50:29.119 --> 00:50:34.320 their benefits in that for Christians non Christians. But I guess there's sort of 580 00:50:34.320 --> 00:50:39.960 the intersection between being a Christian spirituality. How does that link him with the 581 00:50:40.039 --> 00:50:47.159 idea of therapy that could be to either of you. Going to pass that 582 00:50:47.239 --> 00:50:53.000 on to Tenby as well, but our in Silu, I think maybe the 583 00:50:55.599 --> 00:51:04.800 best place to start is is there a difference between Christian counseling and secular counseling? 584 00:51:07.559 --> 00:51:15.599 And I would say yes and no. Yes in that the training no 585 00:51:16.000 --> 00:51:21.440 sorry no, in that the training is the same. We do the same 586 00:51:21.559 --> 00:51:30.559 training, Like I did my my diploma in therapeutic counseling at New Bold and 587 00:51:30.639 --> 00:51:39.400 I went and did my Masters in Counseling at Nottingham University. So the difference 588 00:51:39.599 --> 00:51:47.400 is me, I am the difference between secular counseling and Christian counseling because I'm 589 00:51:47.440 --> 00:51:53.880 a Christian. As a Christian and as a Christian counseling service, before I 590 00:51:54.039 --> 00:52:01.239 see my clients, I would pray for my clients, and as an agency, 591 00:52:02.000 --> 00:52:07.760 when we used to do face to face before we go in to see 592 00:52:07.880 --> 00:52:14.360 into different rooms to see clients, would huddle together and pray and ask for 593 00:52:14.599 --> 00:52:19.719 the Holy experience, wisdom, guidance, compassionate, compassion, and everything that 594 00:52:19.920 --> 00:52:31.119 we need to meet the needs of the client. Right and and yes, 595 00:52:31.559 --> 00:52:37.360 whether I see a Christian or non Christian, I still work with them the 596 00:52:37.480 --> 00:52:43.320 same. If I have a Christian counselor and they come into the room, 597 00:52:43.800 --> 00:52:52.480 I'm not going to impose Christianity in the counseling room. I'll just do general 598 00:52:52.599 --> 00:52:57.880 counseling. Unless they ask could you pray with me? Could you help me 599 00:52:59.480 --> 00:53:04.840 with my faith? Then we incorporate that. And there isn't being you can 600 00:53:05.000 --> 00:53:07.280 take it for granted. Oh that's oh, this is a Seventh Day advantage. 601 00:53:07.280 --> 00:53:13.079 They're a Christian or another Christian, they're coming into a Christian counseling service 602 00:53:13.280 --> 00:53:17.719 and then a Bible besh them. Yet part of their problem is actually anger 603 00:53:17.840 --> 00:53:27.679 with God. M este. That was my question. If if isn't there 604 00:53:27.679 --> 00:53:30.960 a certain expectation, if they're coming to a Christian counseling service, that there 605 00:53:30.000 --> 00:53:35.760 will be guard embedded in the in the in the in the help that's offered, 606 00:53:35.800 --> 00:53:38.800 in the service that's offered. But yeah, you've you've answered that for 607 00:53:38.920 --> 00:53:44.039 me. Yeah. Yeah. And also as cornerstone as a service, we 608 00:53:44.159 --> 00:53:52.800 don't only work with Christians, and we don't only have Christian labeled counselors either, 609 00:53:52.599 --> 00:53:59.239 so it's a service that's accessible to anybody. So that's definitely kind of 610 00:53:59.280 --> 00:54:02.639 what Tim Behaves said, like, however, the client wants to be worked 611 00:54:02.760 --> 00:54:07.280 with, that's how we work with them. So me personally, if I 612 00:54:07.360 --> 00:54:10.840 have a client who is a Christian and one that isn't, my approach is 613 00:54:10.880 --> 00:54:15.960 going to be very similar. But it depends on what the client asks for 614 00:54:16.760 --> 00:54:21.760 and as long as it's within our ethical guidelines, I'm like, yeah, 615 00:54:21.840 --> 00:54:25.960 everything's they're getting to be perfectly honest, but yeah, it's really dependent on 616 00:54:27.119 --> 00:54:29.639 what they want and what they need and what they want to talk about because 617 00:54:29.719 --> 00:54:36.320 sometimes people again might be hesitant to talk about certain things, especially about faith 618 00:54:36.400 --> 00:54:39.960 and religion to a therapist because sometimes it sometimes flies in the faith of the 619 00:54:40.000 --> 00:54:45.639 people who have been taught and understand about God. But it's not taboo, 620 00:54:45.840 --> 00:54:52.360 so like there's nothing off limits pretty much for us ad counters. That was 621 00:54:52.360 --> 00:54:57.519 actually gonna be my question was do you guys have preventors and also non Christians 622 00:54:57.639 --> 00:55:01.320 working in the council, And because my my question was gonna be was what 623 00:55:01.519 --> 00:55:06.239 Angela said that was, you know, the difference because when I was younger, 624 00:55:06.800 --> 00:55:08.320 I've been married three times. My first marriage, I went to counseling 625 00:55:09.199 --> 00:55:12.880 and it seemed like when we went to the counseling it was non Christian. 626 00:55:13.719 --> 00:55:15.960 My wife and I we all get more after the counseling because it was so 627 00:55:16.079 --> 00:55:22.280 much stuff brought up that it was actually detrimental to our marriage. And then 628 00:55:22.440 --> 00:55:25.400 you know that it hurt our marriage more because we argued, it fought more 629 00:55:25.599 --> 00:55:29.679 afterwards because she like, I can't believe you said this, or I can't 630 00:55:29.679 --> 00:55:31.559 believe you said that. But then when I got counseling in my third marriage 631 00:55:32.239 --> 00:55:37.480 and it was a Christian base with a pastor, it helped us more. 632 00:55:37.719 --> 00:55:42.800 It was more so like, do you feel like if you are Christian, 633 00:55:42.840 --> 00:55:46.760 you should get Christian counseling because like Dunstone, I'm accident. I maybe saying 634 00:55:46.760 --> 00:55:52.119 it wrong you because I kind of realized that as I grew, as I 635 00:55:52.239 --> 00:55:54.320 grew that I should have got in the beginning, I maybe it should got 636 00:55:54.440 --> 00:55:58.519 No, it was actually my second marriage I should have got Christian counseling because 637 00:55:58.559 --> 00:56:02.559 it seemed like it it flowed better with our with our belief and our understanding 638 00:56:04.320 --> 00:56:07.920 than the other way, and it just it just made it easier for us 639 00:56:07.960 --> 00:56:12.840 to kind of grasp it and understand it more or better for us as a 640 00:56:12.880 --> 00:56:19.679 couple. M M. Yeah, Yeah, I'm sorry it didn't go away 641 00:56:19.840 --> 00:56:22.440 for you with that. That's fine, you know what, I'm I guess 642 00:56:22.480 --> 00:56:25.119 what, you know what, I'm not not to catch you out real quick. 643 00:56:25.800 --> 00:56:30.840 I'm a firm belief of this that everything happens for a reason. It 644 00:56:30.960 --> 00:56:34.119 just wasn't meant to be. But it made me better for my third marriage, 645 00:56:34.440 --> 00:56:37.280 so it like it just prepared me for my next marriage. So I 646 00:56:37.360 --> 00:56:39.599 don't ever like say like I'm sorry that it didn't work out. It just 647 00:56:39.679 --> 00:56:43.559 didn't work out. You know. It's one of those things. But I 648 00:56:44.159 --> 00:56:46.199 call it a blessing in disguise. So yeah, for me, it was 649 00:56:46.679 --> 00:56:52.280 just, you know, a stepping stone. Yeah, I would say the 650 00:56:52.480 --> 00:56:59.199 difference there for me wasn't that the the one was kind of Christian and one 651 00:56:59.400 --> 00:57:06.960 was not, but the councellor themselves, because really they should have been able 652 00:57:07.239 --> 00:57:13.880 to contain those arguments, to contain the discussions in such a way that there 653 00:57:14.119 --> 00:57:20.840 is no argument after the session, or you are ways off. And of 654 00:57:20.960 --> 00:57:27.440 course we can we cannot underestimate the power of the influence of the Holy Spirit 655 00:57:27.559 --> 00:57:32.920 when we pray for our clients before and after the session, so you're continuously 656 00:57:34.079 --> 00:57:37.079 held in prayer. When we have our meetings at Cornerstone, we pray for 657 00:57:37.199 --> 00:57:44.320 our clients and we don't pray for them by name in the middle of everybody 658 00:57:44.320 --> 00:57:46.599 to say, oh, I'm praying for grace my client because they're going for 659 00:57:46.719 --> 00:57:52.159 this. We just pray for our clients in general. And if there's a 660 00:57:52.360 --> 00:57:58.920 really sticky issue, can you pray for my client for this? But nobody 661 00:57:59.039 --> 00:58:01.719 knows who that client is. We don't bring the name, so we don't 662 00:58:01.800 --> 00:58:07.719 breach confidentiality. So I would say that that's the difference. But every counselor 663 00:58:07.880 --> 00:58:14.800 should be able to contain you and hold you in such a way that when 664 00:58:15.000 --> 00:58:21.920 you leave the session there is better damage control that place. You want to 665 00:58:22.000 --> 00:58:25.440 add something, Yeah, it's a really good point that you asked Pedro, 666 00:58:25.599 --> 00:58:30.320 and I think it has got It's down to the individual preference. It's no 667 00:58:30.440 --> 00:58:35.679 better or worse. It's all about the skiller of the counselor or the therapist. 668 00:58:35.840 --> 00:58:38.320 It's like some people might want to see a therapist. Here's a woman, 669 00:58:38.679 --> 00:58:42.719 some people might want to see a black therapist, and all of those 670 00:58:42.800 --> 00:58:45.960 things will go into the preference because it's about the lived experience. So people 671 00:58:46.000 --> 00:58:50.960 might feel comfortable with someone that has a saying you will similar lived experience as 672 00:58:51.039 --> 00:58:53.360 them, and they will look for counselors they look like their et cetera. 673 00:58:53.840 --> 00:59:00.280 And yeah, it's all to do with that. So a skill counselor or 674 00:59:00.280 --> 00:59:04.480 a therapists should be able to as them be said, to be said, 675 00:59:05.239 --> 00:59:10.159 work with any client. But it's always the case in reality. So how 676 00:59:10.199 --> 00:59:15.519 can we sort of sort of debunk those kinds of myths and those stigmas around 677 00:59:15.360 --> 00:59:20.119 the idea of so, you know, in some ways, I guess as 678 00:59:20.159 --> 00:59:24.239 a Christian it would be ideal for me to look for a Christian counselor for 679 00:59:24.360 --> 00:59:29.199 instance. Or does that really make a difference, or the idea that actually, 680 00:59:29.320 --> 00:59:34.280 as a Christian I shouldn't have to seek professional help because that's demonstrating a 681 00:59:34.320 --> 00:59:37.960 lack of faith in God, etc. Etc. There's those kind of things 682 00:59:37.000 --> 00:59:40.599 that I know I've heard and sometimes you're not necessarily encouraged. And I do 683 00:59:40.719 --> 00:59:45.679 believe things are getting better within our churches and what have you. We have 684 00:59:45.760 --> 00:59:51.000 our service here but I still wonder whether people don't access because there is a 685 00:59:51.119 --> 00:59:54.079 fear or they think, oh, you know, if you've talked about confidentiality, 686 00:59:54.360 --> 00:59:58.159 but people may still think, actually, people are going to know my 687 00:59:58.280 --> 01:00:00.320 business and you know they're in the church, I might see them all those 688 01:00:00.400 --> 01:00:04.079 kind of things. So how can we kind of debunk that? And you've 689 01:00:04.079 --> 01:00:07.119 mentioned about confidentiality, that's a really key thing, and you know you're bound 690 01:00:07.199 --> 01:00:12.360 by you know, the ethical code everything else, but you know, how 691 01:00:12.400 --> 01:00:15.599 can we get around that to kind of encourage more people to kind of access 692 01:00:15.000 --> 01:00:20.599 support and professional health. And it's it's not that we're not relying on God's 693 01:00:20.639 --> 01:00:27.880 help, but it's okay to access. Everyone's a vessel, right, so 694 01:00:29.480 --> 01:00:32.280 God has certain people. It's just like saying I'm not going to go to 695 01:00:32.360 --> 01:00:37.559 the doctor today. No, my leg really hurts because I should be going 696 01:00:37.639 --> 01:00:40.760 to God. But God hasn't the people do medical doctors, so then you 697 01:00:40.840 --> 01:00:45.480 can go and see it's the same thing, so really, don't There's nothing 698 01:00:45.559 --> 01:00:49.480 wrong with praying. There's nothing wrong with seeing counsels, nothing wrong with going 699 01:00:49.519 --> 01:00:52.840 to church, and you know, sending prayer requests. Absolutely do that, 700 01:00:53.159 --> 01:00:59.920 but sometimes you need to be able to help yourself to prevent things from occurring 701 01:01:00.039 --> 01:01:04.400 and help yourself to be able to navigate through difficulties through the people that are 702 01:01:04.480 --> 01:01:06.840 trained to do so. So I thought I would say to people, But 703 01:01:07.480 --> 01:01:10.440 to be honest, I think there's a lot of myths that are around counseling 704 01:01:10.519 --> 01:01:15.039 and therapy, not just in the Christian circles. I think really over the 705 01:01:15.159 --> 01:01:21.760 last maybe even just ten years, the shift about understanding about what soopy is 706 01:01:21.800 --> 01:01:27.400 and how it can be used in access has exponentially changed. Like it's crazy, 707 01:01:27.840 --> 01:01:30.880 I could never have imagined where we are now from where we were even 708 01:01:30.920 --> 01:01:35.679 ten years ago. So many things have changed, like the accessibility of counseling, 709 01:01:36.079 --> 01:01:39.000 how people are talking about it, how people are talking about their mental 710 01:01:39.039 --> 01:01:45.800 health in general, suicide awareness. It's all changed. So those taboo quote 711 01:01:45.840 --> 01:01:50.760 unquote subjects I think aren't as taboo anymore, and the more we talk about 712 01:01:50.760 --> 01:01:53.719 it, but it becomes because just because your account you're Christian doesn't mean you 713 01:01:53.719 --> 01:01:58.960 don't get depressed. Just because you're Christian doesn't mean that you don't get pastramatic 714 01:01:59.000 --> 01:02:01.840 stress disorder. Just because you're a Christian doesn't mean you're not on medication for 715 01:02:02.280 --> 01:02:07.199 a psychiatric disorder. All of those things exist in real life. It's real, 716 01:02:07.800 --> 01:02:09.320 so we need to be able to be acquit to deal with them. 717 01:02:09.920 --> 01:02:15.639 Otherwise we're doing our brothers and sifters a disservice. To be honest, I 718 01:02:15.760 --> 01:02:19.960 like what you said there, Grace. I mean a broken mind, a 719 01:02:20.079 --> 01:02:24.800 broken heart is just as a broken leg, a broken elbow. And if 720 01:02:24.840 --> 01:02:29.639 we seek treatment for those and we should treat seek treatment for the other, 721 01:02:30.239 --> 01:02:34.440 or we should if we seek treatment for one, we should seek treatment for 722 01:02:34.519 --> 01:02:37.239 the other. I really like what you said there, and I think that's 723 01:02:37.519 --> 01:02:40.239 to open our eyes because a lot of us, or a lot of people 724 01:02:40.880 --> 01:02:45.079 are very weary of accessing the support that they need. And that would bring 725 01:02:45.119 --> 01:02:50.559 me to the question of to either of you, when do you know is 726 01:02:50.639 --> 01:02:53.760 that an individual thing? Is there any guidance that you can offer? When 727 01:02:54.239 --> 01:03:00.239 do I need to go beyond my knees and pick up the phone and call 728 01:03:00.280 --> 01:03:05.639 And it's as simple as that, cleaning up the phone and calling Colesterne or 729 01:03:06.039 --> 01:03:08.119 I'm visiting my GP. When do you know that you need to and how 730 01:03:08.239 --> 01:03:15.639 can you access the support that you need? I think that that is a 731 01:03:15.719 --> 01:03:22.199 good question when you when you come to a stage whereby, in fact, 732 01:03:25.800 --> 01:03:34.599 our emotional ill health has got an impact on our spirituality. You would get 733 01:03:34.679 --> 01:03:43.119 to a stage whereby you can't even pray. Your emotional wound is now paralyzing 734 01:03:43.199 --> 01:03:50.280 your whole life. You're struggling to connect with others, to connect with God, 735 01:03:52.199 --> 01:03:58.960 relationships all around are difficult. Then you realize you need to talk to 736 01:03:59.079 --> 01:04:06.400 somebody as well as that your emotional ill health also impacts your physical ill health, 737 01:04:06.880 --> 01:04:14.360 Like there's such a link. So things like people having different automune conditions 738 01:04:14.519 --> 01:04:21.159 that can be triggered by stress, not always but sometimes insomnia, heart conditions. 739 01:04:21.400 --> 01:04:26.039 Like I'm not going to start real ingen off the scientific research papers, 740 01:04:26.480 --> 01:04:31.679 but there's such a link between mind and body, and oftentimes you don't realize 741 01:04:31.920 --> 01:04:34.880 you're going to the dots with the same complaint, Oh my arm hurts, 742 01:04:34.920 --> 01:04:38.840 my arm hurts, My arm hurt. And then you're realizing, actually, 743 01:04:39.559 --> 01:04:44.000 it's a numbness that's caused actually by stress and anxiety. But I didn't even 744 01:04:44.079 --> 01:04:46.360 know that there was a link between muscle numbness and anxiety. It's one of 745 01:04:46.400 --> 01:04:49.199 the symptoms, but you wouldn't never know. You think that's, oh, 746 01:04:50.079 --> 01:04:55.239 there's something physiologically wrong with me here, and there might be, but sometimes 747 01:04:55.280 --> 01:05:00.840 it's also psychological. Yeah yeah, yeah. There's a statistic I read uh 748 01:05:01.199 --> 01:05:06.760 that says on mental health. First Aid England reports that seventy to seventy five 749 01:05:06.880 --> 01:05:14.280 percent of people with a diagnosable mental health problem do not receive treatment. And 750 01:05:14.760 --> 01:05:18.320 I'm that scary because it just means that there are so many of us out 751 01:05:18.360 --> 01:05:24.639 there who should access to services who don't, and like you said, Grace, 752 01:05:24.760 --> 01:05:29.679 this could lead to a myriad of other problems in every other facet of 753 01:05:29.760 --> 01:05:39.039 our lives. That actually comes to my question, can hear myself? We 754 01:05:39.159 --> 01:05:42.960 can hear you in the in the church, or in just in general. 755 01:05:43.239 --> 01:05:47.000 As an Adventist or as a Christian, I find like we see we can 756 01:05:47.079 --> 01:05:50.960 sometimes see that somebody needs help, but we will not offer them or not 757 01:05:51.519 --> 01:05:58.920 interact with them to a system in getting help. Do you find that we're 758 01:05:58.960 --> 01:06:02.679 getting better at that or we still or still a long way from from doing 759 01:06:02.800 --> 01:06:05.519 that. So, like you know, you're in the church and you see 760 01:06:05.599 --> 01:06:09.840 somebody and they made you can see that there's something just not right, or 761 01:06:09.920 --> 01:06:13.760 they may be the press or but we won't because like say, for like 762 01:06:13.840 --> 01:06:17.800 marriage, like you you know, you see two people, they're married and 763 01:06:17.960 --> 01:06:21.280 you see that they're having trouble, but nobody says nothing to them. And 764 01:06:21.400 --> 01:06:25.280 then a year later they divorcing. Like I can't believe they got divorced, 765 01:06:25.320 --> 01:06:28.280 but a year ago you saw it, you saw it leading up to it, 766 01:06:29.039 --> 01:06:32.400 but nobody says nothing to them. So do you think that how can 767 01:06:32.480 --> 01:06:36.760 we get better at trying to help our fellow man and you know, brothers 768 01:06:36.800 --> 01:06:42.440 and sisters to work on themselves because like you said, sometimes people just don't 769 01:06:42.480 --> 01:06:45.559 want to admit that they need help. Well, yeah, it's a good 770 01:06:45.599 --> 01:06:51.719 question, tell me. Yeah. You know. One of the things that 771 01:06:53.480 --> 01:07:03.079 we have done is Cornerstone Counseling Service. Starting twenty twenty one, we started 772 01:07:03.239 --> 01:07:14.320 training mental health first aiders and the recommendation from Mental Health Foundation or First Aid 773 01:07:14.400 --> 01:07:21.280 Foundation mental Health first Aid England is that for every one first aider you have 774 01:07:23.039 --> 01:07:29.320 in a church or organization, you need two or three mental health first aiders 775 01:07:30.000 --> 01:07:34.639 because of the very same thing that you've said mentioned Pedro, that we see 776 01:07:36.079 --> 01:07:41.880 these issues playing in front of us, we don't know how to engage with 777 01:07:42.000 --> 01:07:45.000 them. We don't know how to help, We don't know how to point 778 01:07:45.079 --> 01:07:50.599 to professionals. We don't know how to assist non judgmentally in an accepting way. 779 01:07:51.480 --> 01:07:59.320 And it brings us back to having safe spaces, yes, and being 780 01:07:59.440 --> 01:08:04.519 a safe person. Am I a safe person not only physically but emotionally and 781 01:08:04.639 --> 01:08:12.440 spiritually? Can people comfortable come to me and talk with me without feeling that 782 01:08:12.519 --> 01:08:15.680 they will be judged, that they can really just talk and be themselves. 783 01:08:16.520 --> 01:08:21.159 So if we have this foundation in our churches, which we did, I 784 01:08:21.239 --> 01:08:29.399 think we trained over three hundred and seventy something mental health first aiders across the 785 01:08:29.560 --> 01:08:35.359 South of England which is our territory. We trained our pastors. Some areas 786 01:08:35.920 --> 01:08:42.760 like Area Forehead all their pastors trained as mental health fast aiders. So with 787 01:08:43.000 --> 01:08:47.560 this mental health fast aid training, you are trained how to pick up these 788 01:08:47.720 --> 01:08:54.680 issues very quickly. You are trained how to approach and assist and how to 789 01:08:56.600 --> 01:09:05.960 involve family and support support network and how to actually signposts to professionals. So 790 01:09:06.199 --> 01:09:15.159 that's one thing that we have done and we've handed that over to the Health 791 01:09:15.279 --> 01:09:18.680 Department because it's quite a lot for us to follow through as cornerstone. Our 792 01:09:18.720 --> 01:09:23.359 hands are flu are full, but at that time we didn't have a health 793 01:09:23.439 --> 01:09:26.680 director and we just said to take it on. Okay, so it's going 794 01:09:26.720 --> 01:09:30.199 to be an area that they're going to be hopefully following up because I've just 795 01:09:30.319 --> 01:09:33.760 recently done my training. Actually i've done it. I've just redid it because 796 01:09:33.760 --> 01:09:36.439 I think you have to redo it after every three years. So I just 797 01:09:36.520 --> 01:09:41.520 did the two day one, but I wasn't aware that's actually that had happened. 798 01:09:41.640 --> 01:09:45.159 So definitely something to kind of push, how can you do that training? 799 01:09:46.439 --> 01:09:49.800 So you said that the health the health directors hopefully take that on the 800 01:09:49.880 --> 01:09:56.439 Health department. I will be looking, Okay, it's you said you pass 801 01:09:56.520 --> 01:10:00.640 it on to the health department. Yes, government or because you know, 802 01:10:00.640 --> 01:10:10.319 I get confused when people say certain things here. The sec department is a 803 01:10:10.600 --> 01:10:15.560 good point because I was thinking we used to the health department. I'm thinking 804 01:10:15.600 --> 01:10:17.239 of government. So I'm like, oh, they like why and then I'm 805 01:10:17.279 --> 01:10:20.920 like, you see, that's why. That's why you ask questions because I 806 01:10:21.640 --> 01:10:25.840 you know, I still get confused with the way the verbage sometimes when you 807 01:10:25.880 --> 01:10:30.119 guys say certain things. No ways. Also, a lot of workplaces are 808 01:10:30.199 --> 01:10:32.600 depending on your jaw, will have access to this, and a lot of 809 01:10:32.600 --> 01:10:38.960 workplaces my old job had free training form into health or staid as well, 810 01:10:40.239 --> 01:10:43.760 so they had that internally. So if you want to access it in free 811 01:10:43.800 --> 01:10:45.560 work, it's the same training, so it's fine. It will yeah or 812 01:10:45.640 --> 01:10:51.359 transfer to setting or if not, you can access it through I'm sure Tenby 813 01:10:51.399 --> 01:10:57.039 will tell you how to contact the Health Health Department. Yeah. Yeah, 814 01:10:57.079 --> 01:11:01.439 and some councils run IF free IF free training as well, and you can 815 01:11:01.560 --> 01:11:12.239 go directly to the Mental Health Faced Aid UK and access it. There is 816 01:11:12.279 --> 01:11:18.760 a fee to for it and for those in churches, some churches sponsor their 817 01:11:18.880 --> 01:11:28.920 own and also for those in the South of England in the Seventh Day Advantage 818 01:11:29.000 --> 01:11:39.640 Church, we actually do have trainers from Mental Mental Health First Aid England that 819 01:11:39.840 --> 01:11:45.199 have given us a discounted fee that we give to our people. So if 820 01:11:45.239 --> 01:11:48.439 you get a group of about sixteen people, it will be about a hundred 821 01:11:48.520 --> 01:11:56.319 pounds per person instead of two hundred and fifty if you access it directly from 822 01:11:56.359 --> 01:11:59.520 Mental Health First Aid England. I'm going to talk to my job about that, 823 01:12:00.079 --> 01:12:03.479 yeah, because my job actually, in all honesty, I didn't say 824 01:12:03.520 --> 01:12:08.039 what I do, but my job I go to people's homes for drug testing. 825 01:12:08.880 --> 01:12:11.199 So I go to people's home to cut their hair to the scalp or 826 01:12:11.199 --> 01:12:13.560 I take their blood, so I take their nails, or take whatever needs 827 01:12:13.600 --> 01:12:17.159 to be taken. So it could be drug testing because they're unfortunately having issues 828 01:12:17.199 --> 01:12:20.560 with the cords, with their children, whatever the case may be. And 829 01:12:20.720 --> 01:12:25.039 I think, like with my job, that would benefit to be able to 830 01:12:25.079 --> 01:12:30.479 recognize things in general because it's just you see so many different types of people 831 01:12:31.199 --> 01:12:34.039 you know, going through stuff, you know, with their partner, with 832 01:12:34.479 --> 01:12:39.239 themselves, or just in general. So I think I'm gonna talk to my 833 01:12:39.359 --> 01:12:42.199 job about that because I don't they don't offer that. Yeah, I ask 834 01:12:42.279 --> 01:12:46.760 them and speak to like I just talked to right direct. We have a 835 01:12:46.800 --> 01:12:51.439 private company, so I could just look directly to the owner. Yeah that 836 01:12:51.479 --> 01:12:56.680 will work too. Yeah, just directed to the owner and just bring it 837 01:12:56.800 --> 01:12:59.239 up as a suggestion and then if he takes it, he takes it. 838 01:12:59.239 --> 01:13:01.199 Everything he don't. Yeah, yeah, I would say that to anyone listening. 839 01:13:01.319 --> 01:13:03.840 I mean, if you're in, if you are inspired, or you 840 01:13:03.880 --> 01:13:08.279 want to become a mental health first and then speak up, speak to your 841 01:13:08.359 --> 01:13:13.199 pastor speak to your your the owner of your business that you work or hr 842 01:13:13.399 --> 01:13:17.359 or anybody, because they're not enough from mental health first days. Facts, 843 01:13:17.399 --> 01:13:21.800 it can never be and if you do want like to ask questions, feel 844 01:13:21.800 --> 01:13:25.680 free to like contact some of the cornerstone mission sign post is that okay, 845 01:13:26.439 --> 01:13:32.079 yes, yeah, letally definitely. And also another way, it's like I'm 846 01:13:32.079 --> 01:13:38.159 talking about my personal home church, I think there are mental health professionals already 847 01:13:38.239 --> 01:13:41.680 that work in a lot of churches, Like that's one thing about this day 848 01:13:41.800 --> 01:13:45.600 Church. We've highly skippled in so many different areas. So you might get 849 01:13:45.760 --> 01:13:47.399 someone who already is a mental health nurse. But I can think of like 850 01:13:47.479 --> 01:13:51.199 three people I know in my church and mental health nurses, social workers, 851 01:13:51.960 --> 01:13:57.359 people that work in counseling services as well. And then and then obviously you've 852 01:13:57.359 --> 01:14:00.840 got your family life ministries team as well. They might also be trained or 853 01:14:00.840 --> 01:14:05.279 they might already work in a professional job that lends itself to that. So 854 01:14:05.760 --> 01:14:10.119 if it's someone that you trust and know that they've got that kind of role 855 01:14:10.319 --> 01:14:14.359 outside of work, fund something that you trust. In general, talking to 856 01:14:14.479 --> 01:14:17.399 someone who is better than talking to nobody. So I'd encourage to kind of 857 01:14:17.479 --> 01:14:19.880 like find out who they are if you don't know them, and if you 858 01:14:20.000 --> 01:14:24.680 do know them, then go to them and they might be able to signpost 859 01:14:24.800 --> 01:14:27.439 and a lot of our pastors obviously are trained in that as well. Yes, 860 01:14:28.439 --> 01:14:30.479 yeah, I even want to flip the script a little bit because Pedrol 861 01:14:30.560 --> 01:14:35.840 spoke of you know, us noticing people who are struggling. But there is 862 01:14:36.119 --> 01:14:43.039 this you know, secrecy and this facade that we put on. Everything's okay, 863 01:14:44.039 --> 01:14:45.720 we've got it, we've got it under control, and we're not really 864 01:14:45.800 --> 01:14:48.920 willing to talk. Or as you said to Emily, we just don't feel 865 01:14:49.159 --> 01:14:54.680 and grace that we can trust for people around us. And I think Antelo 866 01:14:54.720 --> 01:14:57.560 in order to that as well, that we just feel our business is going 867 01:14:57.600 --> 01:15:00.600 to be all out the door or we're going to be judged. And I 868 01:15:00.640 --> 01:15:02.520 think we have to change that mindset as well. Not only do we have 869 01:15:02.640 --> 01:15:05.199 to notice people who are struggling, but we also have to be willing to 870 01:15:05.319 --> 01:15:10.279 say we are struggling, put our hands up, can can can you help? 871 01:15:11.560 --> 01:15:15.159 There's nothing, there's nothing wrong, there's no weakness, there's no shame 872 01:15:15.840 --> 01:15:18.479 in saying that I need help. We all need help in some areas, 873 01:15:18.880 --> 01:15:21.800 almost some area of our lives. Can I say it's a little quick to 874 01:15:21.920 --> 01:15:27.680 that point. My my belief sometimes is that people already know what you're going 875 01:15:27.760 --> 01:15:33.760 through. They just don't say nothing. Yeah, I mean no, like 876 01:15:33.840 --> 01:15:35.880 you're like, you don't want to put your stuff out there, but if 877 01:15:35.960 --> 01:15:43.520 somebody knows in the church, it's not I may be saying it wrong. 878 01:15:43.600 --> 01:15:46.439 It's just this is my belief. I'm not saying this is clinical. I'm 879 01:15:46.479 --> 01:15:50.880 not saying this is professional. I'm not saying I'm right. I'm just saying 880 01:15:50.920 --> 01:15:57.439 me personally. Like sometimes, like I was saying, you, people always 881 01:15:57.520 --> 01:16:02.119 we notice you have good friends, or we notice things and you think that 882 01:16:02.279 --> 01:16:05.560 you're hiding it, but you're not really hiding it. And people people, 883 01:16:06.039 --> 01:16:11.520 people know but they just don't say nothing because you know, like a, 884 01:16:12.399 --> 01:16:15.119 yeah, we are good at hiding. But something that in the dark come 885 01:16:15.159 --> 01:16:18.399 out to the light is somebody knows something. I think the challenge I'm going 886 01:16:18.479 --> 01:16:21.479 to say, I think the challenge always is though sometimes when you think about 887 01:16:21.600 --> 01:16:25.960 church often, I mean we will talk about we have friends within our church, 888 01:16:26.079 --> 01:16:29.079 but often we only see people once a week. Sometimes we are not 889 01:16:29.159 --> 01:16:32.600 connecting with people during the week. You know, the friends in some respects, 890 01:16:32.640 --> 01:16:35.960 a lot of our friends from church are quite superficial friends because they're one 891 01:16:36.039 --> 01:16:41.520 day a week, people not always connecting. So it's very easy to pretend 892 01:16:41.600 --> 01:16:45.199 everything's okay, and then there is sometimes that challenge of okay. You may 893 01:16:45.279 --> 01:16:47.840 say to somebody, somebody may ask you how you're doing. You start to 894 01:16:47.920 --> 01:16:51.319 sit, you start to say you realize that person it's just like, oh, 895 01:16:51.399 --> 01:16:54.239 dear, why do I ask a question? Because I don't really want 896 01:16:54.239 --> 01:16:57.840 to take it on. I'm sometimes the connections with people are not always there 897 01:16:57.920 --> 01:17:00.319 to say, yep, I really want to help here. You want to 898 01:17:00.359 --> 01:17:01.960 find out what's going on for you. But the key thing, as you 899 01:17:02.079 --> 01:17:06.239 was saying, you know, it is about how we can create those safe 900 01:17:06.279 --> 01:17:10.800 spaces, find those people that you trust. I mean when I was talking 901 01:17:10.800 --> 01:17:14.640 about this to a friend earlier today, you know, they were saying about 902 01:17:14.680 --> 01:17:17.039 talking about Jesus and we're talking about you know, why Christians should access therapy. 903 01:17:17.399 --> 01:17:20.680 Part of the benefits has actually been able to connect with somebody. We 904 01:17:20.840 --> 01:17:25.000 need people around us. You know, we are not an island. We 905 01:17:25.159 --> 01:17:28.600 as much as we people like their own company or whatever, we need people. 906 01:17:28.720 --> 01:17:31.520 The same way Jesus had his disciples. He could he commute with God 907 01:17:31.760 --> 01:17:35.159 on a regular I'm sure you know we know that, but he had twelve 908 01:17:35.199 --> 01:17:40.199 people around him who he could talk to, who he could kind of eat 909 01:17:40.319 --> 01:17:43.960 with, he could fellowship with. That must have been I'm sure that was 910 01:17:44.039 --> 01:17:46.199 therapeutic for him. You know, he had an inner circle as well, 911 01:17:47.359 --> 01:17:55.159 separate three. So you know, sometimes we need to be really working to 912 01:17:55.279 --> 01:17:59.319 build those connections. It's not necessarily going to be everybody, as Grace said, 913 01:17:59.319 --> 01:18:02.520 it's finding those people that you trust if they are professionals and practitioners with 914 01:18:02.640 --> 01:18:06.680 this kind of feel even better, you know. But and I'm going to 915 01:18:06.720 --> 01:18:12.399 sort of plug ballom here. They've set a person like a mental health team 916 01:18:12.800 --> 01:18:15.439 and department made with practitioners, but actually then working on projects where they are 917 01:18:15.520 --> 01:18:19.319 creating spaces for young people, for the elderly members where you can actually have 918 01:18:19.560 --> 01:18:24.439 those kind of conversations. It can be difficult to trust. I'm not necessarily 919 01:18:24.439 --> 01:18:28.039 saying it's that's necessarily an easy thing, especially if you've had bad experiences in 920 01:18:28.119 --> 01:18:30.359 the past. But to kind of foster those sort of things within our church, 921 01:18:30.399 --> 01:18:33.520 it's a community, which in reality is what we should be doing anyway. 922 01:18:34.159 --> 01:18:38.079 You know, if this shouldn't be an alien concept to us at all, 923 01:18:38.399 --> 01:18:40.800 that's what we should be doing. That's what the church is supposed to 924 01:18:40.840 --> 01:18:44.640 be there for. But it's you know, equally as then, as you 925 01:18:44.760 --> 01:18:47.560 said, we have to be open to be able to share what's going on, 926 01:18:48.159 --> 01:18:50.680 you know, And I always say to when I'm at work to my 927 01:18:50.800 --> 01:18:56.680 students, don't suffer in silence, you know, reach out sooner rather than 928 01:18:56.760 --> 01:18:59.800 later. Don't bury yourhead and discern. And you know, the student does 929 01:19:00.560 --> 01:19:02.479 easier said than done. Again, I recognize that, probably guilty of that 930 01:19:02.600 --> 01:19:06.399 myself, but you know, that's what we want to encourage people to do, 931 01:19:06.640 --> 01:19:12.520 to reach out because there is support there, particularly in the church. 932 01:19:12.760 --> 01:19:15.239 Because again, we just feel that we have to have we have to have 933 01:19:15.399 --> 01:19:18.720 it together. I mean, and behind closed doors, we're dealing with drugs, 934 01:19:18.760 --> 01:19:21.399 we're dealing with abuse, we're dealing with that, and we are very 935 01:19:21.520 --> 01:19:26.279 good. I'm sorry, but I'm going to I know that we are. 936 01:19:26.399 --> 01:19:30.359 We are very good at keeping certain things behind closed doors. And these are 937 01:19:30.399 --> 01:19:34.079 things that we struggle with and we don't want anybody to know that. We 938 01:19:34.199 --> 01:19:39.359 struggle until perhaps it's too late, and then it starts moving out and then 939 01:19:39.439 --> 01:19:44.800 it starts showing, but by that point we're already in the deep. So 940 01:19:45.399 --> 01:19:48.279 yeah, I think we have to be we have to change that culture where 941 01:19:48.279 --> 01:19:51.720 we are willing, we're able. We understand that it's not a sign of 942 01:19:51.800 --> 01:19:55.520 weakness, it's not a sign of lack of faith, not a sign of 943 01:19:55.640 --> 01:19:59.159 lack of God and all that other other things that we kind of associate with 944 01:19:59.279 --> 01:20:02.239 it. That I think that's what we need to get help. I think 945 01:20:02.319 --> 01:20:05.359 that's what the next one. I think that's what the two ladies were saying, 946 01:20:05.560 --> 01:20:08.840 Grace. Yeah, I'm gonna say your name wrong because I'm not gonna 947 01:20:08.880 --> 01:20:15.840 says them right saying names. But I think they said that earlier when they 948 01:20:15.840 --> 01:20:20.960 were saying that by prayer, like like when we have when you have youth 949 01:20:21.039 --> 01:20:25.680 meetings and you want the youth to talk, but they don't talk because then 950 01:20:25.720 --> 01:20:28.920 the older folks get up and they started saying, oh, just pray to 951 01:20:29.000 --> 01:20:30.279 God, it will go away. And you know, you're just like, 952 01:20:30.720 --> 01:20:34.600 no, you don't need to, like you know, and I just think 953 01:20:34.680 --> 01:20:39.760 that we need like you said, we's prayer is good. It's wonderful, 954 01:20:39.880 --> 01:20:43.880 it works, it helps, it's the best thing ever. But just getting 955 01:20:43.920 --> 01:20:48.119 that extra sometimes you get you in the church and you feel like you're secluded 956 01:20:48.479 --> 01:20:53.880 because you can't you can't get that connection that you're trying to get because you 957 01:20:54.239 --> 01:20:57.399 you have that feeling like sometimes when people talking to you, they're just trying 958 01:20:57.399 --> 01:21:00.760 to get information about you. Yeah, so then you start putting up that 959 01:21:00.840 --> 01:21:03.880 wall, you stop putting up that that that thing of like, oh you 960 01:21:04.000 --> 01:21:08.319 know what, I'm not going to deal with them because I just you know, 961 01:21:08.439 --> 01:21:13.000 it just don't it don't feel genuine. So just getting through that is 962 01:21:13.119 --> 01:21:15.359 trying to break that wall down, trying to get that you know where you 963 01:21:15.560 --> 01:21:18.920 where you do feel comfortable in church, but you don't. I think sometimes 964 01:21:18.960 --> 01:21:24.680 in church if it's always I think we got into this habit of which we 965 01:21:24.840 --> 01:21:29.520 should that you know, prayer and God, but it's changed a little bit 966 01:21:29.560 --> 01:21:31.399 where we need to start saying if you need help, you can reach out. 967 01:21:31.840 --> 01:21:35.119 You just you can use God, but you can reach out for other 968 01:21:36.000 --> 01:21:41.880 to other avenues to get help. Yeah, sometimes the church gets stuck in 969 01:21:41.960 --> 01:21:45.079 that where you can't reach out because you reach out, that means you're weak, 970 01:21:45.680 --> 01:21:47.039 Like you said, it means your weak, it means you're sinful, 971 01:21:47.319 --> 01:21:53.079 means you're doing something wrong and you're not you just need help. Yeah, 972 01:21:55.479 --> 01:21:57.960 we have those services as well, because I'm just thinking, I don't think 973 01:21:58.000 --> 01:22:00.119 I can't remember many times where said to me. Oh yeah, you know, 974 01:22:00.239 --> 01:22:03.119 we have our own counseling service, you know, reach out to them 975 01:22:03.319 --> 01:22:06.680 or reach out to other organizations. So definitely agree with that. Sorry tell 976 01:22:06.680 --> 01:22:10.680 me I cut you there. Sorry, go ahead, now that's okay. 977 01:22:11.840 --> 01:22:20.439 Thank you for those comments. I think one of the biggest greatest gifts orders 978 01:22:20.520 --> 01:22:25.239 given each one of us, whether in the church or in the community, 979 01:22:26.119 --> 01:22:32.600 is the ability to listen. If only we could listen to the people who 980 01:22:32.720 --> 01:22:41.600 talk to us, listen to here to understand, not listen to give advice 981 01:22:41.800 --> 01:22:47.399 or to judge. Only we would learn to listen, we would be able 982 01:22:47.520 --> 01:22:54.199 to sign posts people appropriately, and some of the issues that end up in 983 01:22:54.279 --> 01:23:00.560 the counseling room. If this person got a listening ear right from the beginning, 984 01:23:00.600 --> 01:23:05.680 especially with young people, the problem would have been solved. Solved. 985 01:23:08.199 --> 01:23:14.000 Somebody just needs to be able to listen. And instead of us saying what's 986 01:23:14.079 --> 01:23:15.920 wrong with you? When we see the things as you're saying, Pedro, 987 01:23:16.079 --> 01:23:19.199 we see there's something going on, and we say what's wrong with you, 988 01:23:21.680 --> 01:23:28.680 we probably need to reframe that to what has happened to you? What happened 989 01:23:28.760 --> 01:23:34.840 to you? Then that gives the person some confidence and gods to be able 990 01:23:34.920 --> 01:23:41.560 to say, Hey, this is what I'm going through. And that's one 991 01:23:41.760 --> 01:23:46.159 of the advantages of having a mental health faced AIDA within your church, within 992 01:23:46.760 --> 01:23:55.319 your community, because they can sport that they know how to approach you and 993 01:23:55.439 --> 01:24:00.560 they know how to talk with you at that And there's also kind of like 994 01:24:00.640 --> 01:24:05.319 what Pitdow is talking about, there are some it's about being emotionally intelligent and 995 01:24:05.439 --> 01:24:10.079 aware and not everyone's leged into that. Not everyone has. We think it's 996 01:24:10.159 --> 01:24:14.319 common like skill that everybody has. Also, a lot of people are very 997 01:24:14.359 --> 01:24:20.279 good at hiding we have in certain parts of society. It's not just Christian, 998 01:24:20.640 --> 01:24:25.479 religious whatever. There's so many people that are hiding themselves and they are 999 01:24:25.680 --> 01:24:28.680 suffering. Like I could realize the amount of people who are in the public 1000 01:24:28.760 --> 01:24:33.279 eye that have submit to health disorders or they've unfortunately taken that own life and 1001 01:24:33.439 --> 01:24:36.520 everyone shops like, oh, they were the life and soul of the party. 1002 01:24:38.279 --> 01:24:42.239 They were always the comedian, they were always happy. You have no 1003 01:24:42.479 --> 01:24:45.479 idea and you'll never know because they will never ever let on. And it's 1004 01:24:45.560 --> 01:24:49.000 those ones that are probably the ones that are in the most in danger. 1005 01:24:49.600 --> 01:24:59.199 So it's about not taking for granted that not everybody is able to access that 1006 01:24:59.359 --> 01:25:02.479 help, and we need to be able to share the load with people because 1007 01:25:02.520 --> 01:25:10.039 people are carrying so much on their shoulders that you would not realize unless you 1008 01:25:10.239 --> 01:25:14.279 just did that thing Tenby said, which is just to have a little bit 1009 01:25:14.319 --> 01:25:16.720 of a listening ear. Is there something that is slightly not right? Like, 1010 01:25:16.800 --> 01:25:18.760 you know them, you know how they move, You've noticed there not 1011 01:25:19.159 --> 01:25:23.439 come to church for a while. You've noticed they're a bit snappier, You've 1012 01:25:23.520 --> 01:25:26.920 noticed that. You know, it's something's just going on. It's not the 1013 01:25:27.039 --> 01:25:30.279 norm. Say something to them, ask them what's going Are you okay? 1014 01:25:30.439 --> 01:25:35.760 What's happened? And then you'll be surprised to hear cool. Yeah, we're 1015 01:25:35.760 --> 01:25:39.720 exactly. It's going to take a music break and they're going to come back 1016 01:25:39.760 --> 01:25:41.840 and we're going to talk a little bit of how we can actually do that 1017 01:25:41.920 --> 01:25:45.880 and how people can access this support. And it's something easier for some, 1018 01:25:45.079 --> 01:25:50.600 but we're going to go with Babby Mason, a son called trust his heart. 1019 01:26:14.520 --> 01:26:26.640 All things work for Cool, though sometimes we don't see how they could. 1020 01:26:28.560 --> 01:26:42.840 Struggles that break or hearts and two sometimes blinds to the truth. A 1021 01:26:43.199 --> 01:26:57.479 father knows what's best for house. His ways are not So when your pathway 1022 01:26:57.600 --> 01:27:15.000 grows deep and you just don't see him, remember you're never alone. God 1023 01:27:15.279 --> 01:27:25.640 is too wise to be mistaken. God is too good to be unkind. 1024 01:27:28.039 --> 01:27:34.520 Too, when you don't understand, when you don't see his plan, when 1025 01:27:34.600 --> 01:27:55.279 you can't trace his hand, trust his heart, trust his heart. He 1026 01:27:55.640 --> 01:28:06.399 sees the last plan, and he holds up your chu in his pay, 1027 01:28:09.000 --> 01:28:24.159 So too, bears those who have a Hoby is loud in his please see 1028 01:28:24.399 --> 01:28:36.199 the prayers and cleaning, But he sees the first the last, and like 1029 01:28:36.399 --> 01:28:55.800 a timestrey, he's weeping. You have to someday be just like a good 1030 01:28:55.920 --> 01:29:05.640 He is too wise to be mistaken. God is too good to be unkind. 1031 01:29:08.960 --> 01:29:15.479 So when you don't understand, when your dancies is pray, when you 1032 01:29:15.680 --> 01:29:30.800 can't trace his and trust his heart. He alone is faithful truth make He 1033 01:29:30.159 --> 01:29:48.800 alone knows what is best for you. Art is too wise to be mistaken. 1034 01:29:51.479 --> 01:30:00.119 God is too good to be unkind. So when you don't understay, 1035 01:30:01.479 --> 01:30:09.439 when you don't see his gray, when you can't resist, and trust his 1036 01:30:09.680 --> 01:30:27.119 heart, when you don't understan, when you don't see his when you can't 1037 01:30:27.199 --> 01:30:59.399 races, trustees, trustees, Okay, so trust his heart. I love 1038 01:30:59.439 --> 01:31:01.319 the lyrics of it's actually God is too wise to be mistaken. God, 1039 01:31:01.359 --> 01:31:05.319 it's so kind, it's good to be unkind. Ultimately we need to trust 1040 01:31:05.359 --> 01:31:10.880 his heart. But a part of that is he is He is giving people 1041 01:31:10.960 --> 01:31:14.439 the gift to be able to be the listeners, to be the councilor to 1042 01:31:14.520 --> 01:31:17.880 be the practitioners to give us access. You know, I got a message 1043 01:31:17.880 --> 01:31:21.279 shift, Yeah, go ahead and say I got a message saying just that. 1044 01:31:23.800 --> 01:31:27.359 It says when you pray, God sends people your way to support you, 1045 01:31:27.520 --> 01:31:31.079 He sends help us. We individually just need to identify if the person 1046 01:31:31.159 --> 01:31:34.840 will be supportive to us. And that's one of the messages that's come through. 1047 01:31:34.920 --> 01:31:40.640 So, I mean God is part of the healing process and you know, 1048 01:31:41.239 --> 01:31:45.159 not separate to or or you know, a different facet of It's one 1049 01:31:45.199 --> 01:31:51.399 package. We pray and he heals and sometimes he provides us with practitioners at 1050 01:31:51.479 --> 01:31:57.199 doctors, you know, David, to be able to get us through the 1051 01:31:57.319 --> 01:32:01.720 problem that we're facing. Yes, So at this point we've gone through and 1052 01:32:01.760 --> 01:32:05.359 we've spoken a lot about the different types of therapy, different sort of support, 1053 01:32:05.439 --> 01:32:10.399 the different practitioners and the way which they work. So how does somebody 1054 01:32:10.520 --> 01:32:13.319 go about you know, I think any did ask the question, at what 1055 01:32:13.399 --> 01:32:16.600 point would you reach out? But what is kind of the process? And 1056 01:32:16.640 --> 01:32:21.319 I guess there's different ways, and there are different ways to access I know 1057 01:32:21.479 --> 01:32:26.520 that in itself can be a bit of a challenge for many reasons. But 1058 01:32:26.720 --> 01:32:29.760 what would you know, what would what advice would you give to somebody who 1059 01:32:30.439 --> 01:32:35.560 is considering who's considering counseling or therapy, and how would they go about doing 1060 01:32:35.640 --> 01:32:43.840 that and how to find somebody or the best person for them. I would 1061 01:32:43.920 --> 01:32:46.640 say, first of all, there's lots of free services. You don't have 1062 01:32:46.800 --> 01:32:51.760 to get your wallet out and your PayPal account out first, because because it's 1063 01:32:51.800 --> 01:32:58.359 not you, it's not everybody is able to access those private services. So 1064 01:32:58.560 --> 01:33:01.279 I would say, talk to your GP at the first port of court. 1065 01:33:01.359 --> 01:33:05.720 And I think that feeling ashamed, And again, some people are in a 1066 01:33:05.760 --> 01:33:12.960 really tricky situations, so they might already feel like if they say anything to 1067 01:33:13.000 --> 01:33:15.560 their GP, that will put them in a vulnerable position to do with like 1068 01:33:16.159 --> 01:33:19.239 children, social services, at all of those kinds of things. Your GPS 1069 01:33:19.319 --> 01:33:23.600 did not shouldn't Yeah, it shouldn't be that scared. But if that is 1070 01:33:23.640 --> 01:33:26.479 the case, I've separate issue. I would say go to your GP and 1071 01:33:26.520 --> 01:33:30.039 just say tell them how you're feeling. And usually the first port of call 1072 01:33:30.239 --> 01:33:34.880 is they will refer you to talking therapies in your local authority, your local 1073 01:33:34.960 --> 01:33:40.760 council or have a talking therapy service, and that will probably be about six 1074 01:33:40.880 --> 01:33:45.279 to eight sessions of cognitive behavioral therapy in the first instance, and that will 1075 01:33:45.359 --> 01:33:47.319 help you to be able to navigate some of those issue. Depending on what 1076 01:33:47.399 --> 01:33:50.880 the issue is, sometimes they might not refer you to their they'll refer you 1077 01:33:50.960 --> 01:33:56.399 somewhere else, but usually that's the first port of call. If you don't 1078 01:33:56.439 --> 01:34:00.600 want to access to NHS services. There are three other free or low cost 1079 01:34:00.720 --> 01:34:04.760 services, like there's a charity called Family Line. Actually just one of my 1080 01:34:04.840 --> 01:34:09.479 placements with them. Family Action is the website i'll put all of these. 1081 01:34:09.640 --> 01:34:15.239 And then there's Frontline Therapy which is low cost. And there's also another service 1082 01:34:15.319 --> 01:34:19.680 called Black Minds Matter that was set up after George Floyd in twenty twenty and 1083 01:34:20.119 --> 01:34:26.439 they primarily work with black people in the UK, and I think that is 1084 01:34:26.600 --> 01:34:30.479 free, a free service. Oftentimes they're quite a subscribed. And then you've 1085 01:34:30.479 --> 01:34:34.000 also got mind your local mind services and Mind is like a franchise mental health 1086 01:34:34.119 --> 01:34:40.000 charity, but every local authority will have a MIND center and they have lots 1087 01:34:40.039 --> 01:34:45.680 of different therapeutic support packages for different things, so you can call them free 1088 01:34:45.720 --> 01:34:49.079 of charge. And I think all of their services are either free or very 1089 01:34:49.159 --> 01:34:54.760 very very low cost. I don't even think they're paid for services. And 1090 01:34:54.800 --> 01:35:00.239 then you've got corner stay, but I'll leave that attending cool, Thank you, 1091 01:35:00.119 --> 01:35:05.800 thank you, grace, and yes to access corner Stones. You can 1092 01:35:05.920 --> 01:35:17.960 call us on our numbers that are Adventists radio land and continuously advertised, so 1093 01:35:18.159 --> 01:35:26.640 you'll find that we've got two numbers. We've got a listening line where you 1094 01:35:26.760 --> 01:35:32.840 can just call to have a trained listener listen to you. They're not qualified 1095 01:35:32.920 --> 01:35:41.319 counselors, but they are trained listeners and they know when to refer, so 1096 01:35:41.520 --> 01:35:44.319 they will listen to you and at some point they will say, right, 1097 01:35:44.520 --> 01:35:49.000 I think you need a counselor, and they immediately pass it on to the 1098 01:35:49.119 --> 01:35:55.800 counselors and we pick it up and allocate you a counselor. So that number 1099 01:35:56.159 --> 01:36:04.439 is zero three three zero one three three two four nine five. That is 1100 01:36:04.720 --> 01:36:13.960 our listening line. Zero three three zero one three three two four nine five 1101 01:36:14.479 --> 01:36:19.279 and we are open from eight am to twelve midnight, seven days a week, 1102 01:36:20.079 --> 01:36:27.520 even on the subbath. And then we do have the office line for 1103 01:36:27.640 --> 01:36:36.800 booking for booking appointments which is or two or seven seven two three eight zero 1104 01:36:38.079 --> 01:36:45.119 five zero. That is the office line for booking appointments at Cornerstone or two 1105 01:36:45.199 --> 01:36:54.279 or seven seven two three eight zero five zero. And the firstest way of 1106 01:36:54.520 --> 01:36:59.079 booking an appointment is going to our website and you do a self referr. 1107 01:37:00.319 --> 01:37:06.079 So you go to our website which is ww dot SI is canceling dot org 1108 01:37:06.199 --> 01:37:15.479 dot uk book a self referral where it says book a session. You book 1109 01:37:16.720 --> 01:37:21.960 your session there. For most people, they tend to pay before they get 1110 01:37:23.399 --> 01:37:29.119 an appointment, so don't do that. Make sure you hear from us first, 1111 01:37:29.279 --> 01:37:34.119 which you do as soon as you send your referral form. We respond 1112 01:37:34.319 --> 01:37:41.319 by sending an assessment form to you which you need to complete. And with 1113 01:37:41.479 --> 01:37:45.600 that assessment form, it will actually highlight if you are at risk and then 1114 01:37:45.680 --> 01:37:54.840 we prioritize you. And that assessment form is very important because it's the one 1115 01:37:55.000 --> 01:38:00.680 that will help us know which cancelor to allocate you. Without that, we 1116 01:38:00.840 --> 01:38:08.479 can't allocate you a counselor, and Grace, can I just quickly ask ahead? 1117 01:38:08.560 --> 01:38:11.479 Go ahead? Now? I was just asking, is should I have 1118 01:38:11.600 --> 01:38:17.760 a preference to whether I ask for a female, a black female? Should 1119 01:38:17.800 --> 01:38:21.279 anybody have that kind of preference someone who's, as Grace said, had the 1120 01:38:21.319 --> 01:38:27.159 same experiences as myself as a help? Is that hinder? That doesn't even 1121 01:38:27.199 --> 01:38:31.520 matter? Oh? Yes, When you go to our website you'll see our 1122 01:38:31.640 --> 01:38:36.359 counselors. Sometimes it's just the face that you like that you think I can 1123 01:38:36.439 --> 01:38:44.239 work with that. And counselors don't take offense even you know, like even 1124 01:38:44.319 --> 01:38:49.399 when you book it a session and they're given a counselor and you're just on 1125 01:38:49.520 --> 01:38:53.960 the first session you just feels I don't think I can work with this person. 1126 01:38:54.600 --> 01:38:59.000 That's fine. You're allowed to change counselors. And also when you go 1127 01:38:59.119 --> 01:39:06.760 to our website, you can click any face and their bio comes up. 1128 01:39:08.119 --> 01:39:12.640 You read up about them, you get to understand who they are, how 1129 01:39:12.760 --> 01:39:15.399 they work, and then you say, oh, I want this one. 1130 01:39:15.880 --> 01:39:20.199 That's also allowed? And is there a long waiting list? Because I know 1131 01:39:20.319 --> 01:39:28.079 sometimes this can be the challenge for services after they are over subscribed, and 1132 01:39:28.239 --> 01:39:31.000 sometimes you know you could be waiting weeks and weeks, but for a bit. 1133 01:39:31.079 --> 01:39:35.520 With Cornerstone, is there a long waiting waiting time for appointments. Yeah, 1134 01:39:35.760 --> 01:39:41.239 there is a waiting list, but I would say according to other waiting 1135 01:39:41.359 --> 01:39:44.560 lists, we don't have a two year waiting list or a one year waiting 1136 01:39:44.640 --> 01:39:48.079 list. What we tend to do as well at Cornerstone is if you've been 1137 01:39:48.239 --> 01:39:54.159 on our waiting list for a month, we tend to call all the people 1138 01:39:54.239 --> 01:39:58.439 on our waiting list and say you are still on our waiting list. You've 1139 01:39:58.520 --> 01:40:02.920 got an option. We can refer you to other agencies or to other private 1140 01:40:03.079 --> 01:40:11.000 counselors. Most of our counselors do have private practices, so we can refer 1141 01:40:11.119 --> 01:40:15.279 you there or to any other agencies, or do you still want to stay 1142 01:40:15.399 --> 01:40:20.520 on our waiting list. Of course, the prices then differ for private and 1143 01:40:20.800 --> 01:40:26.760 for any other agents where we refer you, So some people choose to stay, 1144 01:40:26.880 --> 01:40:31.279 some people say yes, I'm happy to be referred, okay, okay. 1145 01:40:32.039 --> 01:40:38.439 And that brings me to the question of fees. Do you pay for 1146 01:40:39.600 --> 01:40:45.000 counseling services at Cornerstone? Yes, you do, with what a very discounted 1147 01:40:45.159 --> 01:40:51.359 fee of thirty pounds for individuals, couples and families forty five pounds, and 1148 01:40:51.520 --> 01:41:02.039 trauma fifty pounds. Why is the difference in in phase With individual sessions, 1149 01:41:02.159 --> 01:41:08.560 it's thirty pounds because it's one hour, Couples and families tend to be one 1150 01:41:08.720 --> 01:41:15.960 end half hours, and trauma it's even more time. That's why we say 1151 01:41:16.039 --> 01:41:23.640 it's fifty pounds. And just to mention that nobody has ever been turned away 1152 01:41:23.720 --> 01:41:30.680 from counseling at Cornerstone. We do work with everybody. Those who can afford, 1153 01:41:30.920 --> 01:41:35.560 those who can't afford. We ask the more they can afford. And 1154 01:41:36.640 --> 01:41:42.800 mostly we do this because as research as shown, people don't value things they 1155 01:41:42.880 --> 01:41:46.520 get for free. They start saying, oh, why is it free. 1156 01:41:46.600 --> 01:41:51.079 It's because it's not professional, and this for your own self worth to say 1157 01:41:51.159 --> 01:42:01.520 I've contributed to this and your commitment and determination to better yourself an investment the 1158 01:42:01.720 --> 01:42:08.159 self investment in your mental and emotional health. And I've got to really quickly 1159 01:42:08.239 --> 01:42:13.279 add so it's somebody saying, none of the volunteer counselors, we don't get 1160 01:42:13.359 --> 01:42:16.239 paid. It's not coming to us. The money going to run the service. 1161 01:42:16.800 --> 01:42:19.600 Yeah, it takes a lot to run the service. The Testaments to 1162 01:42:19.600 --> 01:42:24.199 attend and the two because it's a lot. It's a lot, so yeah, 1163 01:42:24.239 --> 01:42:28.119 we don't we're not getting that money as individual countlant. Yeah. Yeah, 1164 01:42:29.239 --> 01:42:32.960 well it's fast spent and I'm just looking at the time and suddenly we're 1165 01:42:33.239 --> 01:42:40.199 here a similar clock. But that's been Those things have been really interesting to 1166 01:42:40.239 --> 01:42:45.039 hear because there are sometimes barriers and sometimes the financial perspective it's definitely one of 1167 01:42:45.079 --> 01:42:46.760 them, or just to some of the things that we've highlighted as well, 1168 01:42:46.840 --> 01:42:49.439 can barrier to that. But I guess if you to say, sort of 1169 01:42:49.920 --> 01:42:55.560 as because we're closing, one thing that you could say to encourage somebody to 1170 01:42:55.680 --> 01:43:00.279 access support, what would that be? You know, why should would we? 1171 01:43:00.399 --> 01:43:02.119 What the benefits? Yeah, what would be your sort of lasting thoughts 1172 01:43:02.159 --> 01:43:04.720 on that? I'm going to kind of go around to everybody to kind of 1173 01:43:04.760 --> 01:43:11.920 comment on that in our final moments. So what would be your here you're 1174 01:43:11.960 --> 01:43:14.800 one thing as a kind of takeaway or thing you would like to highlight. 1175 01:43:16.520 --> 01:43:27.840 I would say, don't hesitate to seek counseling, whether it's from Cornerstone or 1176 01:43:28.000 --> 01:43:32.720 from anywhere, and always make sure you are comfortable with the counselor. I 1177 01:43:32.960 --> 01:43:39.640 was working with you. Okay, thank you. Grace. Thoughts to yourself 1178 01:43:40.800 --> 01:43:44.239 very similar. So if you try someone and you don't click and it doesn't 1179 01:43:44.279 --> 01:43:46.520 work, first of all, don't be scared. And second a boy doesn't 1180 01:43:46.560 --> 01:43:50.520 work, there's like hundreds of thousands of therapists that you can try, so 1181 01:43:50.920 --> 01:43:55.520 there will always be someone that fits you and that you can work with. 1182 01:43:56.239 --> 01:44:02.960 Okay, cool, thank you, Pedro. Pretty much what they just I'm 1183 01:44:03.000 --> 01:44:06.920 gonna just say the same thing pretty much. If you feel that you need 1184 01:44:08.000 --> 01:44:11.439 help, reach out like she like she said, like Grace said, there's 1185 01:44:11.479 --> 01:44:14.600 plenty of people. I'm sure there's somebody out there that can help you. 1186 01:44:15.000 --> 01:44:18.039 And don't be afraid to to reach out because it doesn't pay the suffer in 1187 01:44:18.119 --> 01:44:21.439 silence because all you're doing is hurting yourself and your family. Yeah, so 1188 01:44:23.439 --> 01:44:28.119 reach out, okay, son, Yeah, I would have to say that 1189 01:44:29.119 --> 01:44:33.159 reaching out is biblical. I don't know why we think, and so many 1190 01:44:33.199 --> 01:44:36.199 of us think that it's either or if we've got faith, we don't need 1191 01:44:36.319 --> 01:44:41.039 to. But it's biblical. We've spoken about Jesus and his circle and it's 1192 01:44:41.079 --> 01:44:44.479 inner circle. I mean, the Bible is full of you know, we're 1193 01:44:44.520 --> 01:44:48.000 in a probably eleven fourteen fifteen, rental counselors, the people fail of us 1194 01:44:48.079 --> 01:44:54.000 eighteen fifteen. The heart of the the heart of the heart of the prudence, 1195 01:44:54.479 --> 01:45:00.880 getteth knowledge and the ear of the wise secrets knowledge, Bibles full of 1196 01:45:01.199 --> 01:45:08.479 pointing us towards counsel seeking counselor. Obviously, the first port of port is 1197 01:45:08.600 --> 01:45:13.520 God, definitely, And I'm kind of reminded one of my favorite texts, 1198 01:45:13.600 --> 01:45:15.479 which I've now lost, as I fought to one verse ten. It says, 1199 01:45:15.520 --> 01:45:17.720 fear enough, I'm with you being not displayed, for I am your 1200 01:45:17.760 --> 01:45:20.159 God. I will strengthening you, want to help you. I'll uphold you 1201 01:45:20.239 --> 01:45:23.640 with my righteous right hand. And I really believe I was sort of really 1202 01:45:23.680 --> 01:45:27.359 thinking about there's a visual but his hand has lots of fingers, and I 1203 01:45:27.439 --> 01:45:30.319 think they are the people that reach out to help us. You know, 1204 01:45:30.560 --> 01:45:34.000 God is there ultimately as our number one, but there are people who can 1205 01:45:34.119 --> 01:45:38.960 support you. So, as everybody's said, don't hesitate, reach out. 1206 01:45:39.279 --> 01:45:42.039 It's not always going to be the easiest thing, and that's maybe where your 1207 01:45:42.079 --> 01:45:45.199 prayer will come into that and your own faith. But there is support out 1208 01:45:45.239 --> 01:45:47.800 there. There is help for you. As I said, our time as 1209 01:45:47.880 --> 01:45:51.119 fast spent. It's been a great conversation. I want to really thank you 1210 01:45:51.640 --> 01:45:55.920 Grace and tenB for coming on today. That's not going to be the end 1211 01:45:55.960 --> 01:45:58.920 though. This whole of this month, the rest of the less couple of 1212 01:45:58.960 --> 01:46:03.159 weeks are going to be dead had too highlighting areas and themes around that impact 1213 01:46:03.239 --> 01:46:09.239 our mental health and how Cornerstone can be supportive. So ten being Grace, 1214 01:46:09.319 --> 01:46:12.199 maybe you're on back on in over the next few weeks, and maybe some 1215 01:46:12.279 --> 01:46:15.760 other counselors as well from the service. I don't want to thank you for 1216 01:46:15.840 --> 01:46:19.279 the conversation. As we said, do reach out if you do need. 1217 01:46:19.720 --> 01:46:24.399 We'll be continuing the theme. We'll be continuing with talking points and it'll always 1218 01:46:24.399 --> 01:46:27.560 come up talking about mental health. It's a subject dear to our hearts. 1219 01:46:28.039 --> 01:46:31.680 Definitely want to raise the awareness, bring that conversation to the four. So 1220 01:46:31.880 --> 01:46:40.399 we're going to finish today. What anybody mind praying for us? I meant 1221 01:46:40.399 --> 01:46:44.159 to put it in the chat before to ask if any would pray just to 1222 01:46:44.239 --> 01:46:47.760 clothes and to bless the thoughts somebody, to encourage those people who are struggling 1223 01:46:49.279 --> 01:46:53.159 or maybe not, because I guess therapy could also be seen as maintenance as 1224 01:46:53.199 --> 01:47:00.279 well, but anybody agree, yeah, tell me thank you so thank you 1225 01:47:01.000 --> 01:47:05.000 and let us pray. Father God. We just want to say thank you 1226 01:47:05.239 --> 01:47:09.640 for this day, thank you for the sabbath rest, thank you for this 1227 01:47:09.840 --> 01:47:15.279 discussion that we have had. And we pray that the things we have discussed 1228 01:47:16.479 --> 01:47:25.359 have helped somebody out there to feel comfortable to reach out to a trusted person, 1229 01:47:25.560 --> 01:47:30.720 to a mental health faest aid, to their pastor, to counseling services, 1230 01:47:30.800 --> 01:47:35.560 to Cornerstone or any other counseling service that is around. And we pray 1231 01:47:35.680 --> 01:47:43.840 that through it all, as you desire for us will also prosper in good 1232 01:47:44.000 --> 01:47:50.439 health, mental health and spiritual health. Thank you for this radio program that 1233 01:47:50.640 --> 01:47:58.239 highlers so many important things that needs to be said. Thank you for the 1234 01:47:58.359 --> 01:48:02.319 presenters, and thank you for eating. Every person who listen today. Well, 1235 01:48:02.399 --> 01:48:08.119 we have prayed in Jesus name, Amen, thank you telling me, 1236 01:48:08.239 --> 01:48:14.760 Thank you, brace that you do. Thank you definitely, thank you so 1237 01:48:14.960 --> 01:48:18.520 much. We're gonna finish for today and I'm going to play Yolanda Adam Adams. 1238 01:48:18.600 --> 01:48:23.600 Still I rise because despite the things that can keep try and keep us 1239 01:48:23.680 --> 01:48:28.520 down, God and his supporters and those who are supporting us can help us 1240 01:48:28.560 --> 01:48:31.720 to rise above those challenges. So it's good night for myself. Senya and 1241 01:48:31.880 --> 01:48:36.119 Pedro, Grace and Tembi, thank you so much for our show today, 1242 01:48:36.680 --> 01:48:42.520 and we'll be back next week with another topic along these themes. Again, 1243 01:48:42.560 --> 01:48:44.840 if you do want to kind of join the conversation, we want to hear 1244 01:48:45.000 --> 01:48:47.439 from you, So do you get in cut with the studio either please want 1245 01:48:47.439 --> 01:48:49.479 to hear your stories, or if you want to come on as a guest, 1246 01:48:49.600 --> 01:48:55.680 please do so. We're gonna end with Yolanda Adams. Still I rise 1247 01:48:56.000 --> 01:49:25.279 good night and enjoy the rest of the weekend shatter, but I'm not roudgain 1248 01:49:28.319 --> 01:49:46.399 and day, but time will the load the cross I beard lonely, the 1249 01:49:46.800 --> 01:50:02.199 load I try, I dare shake again, but here I stay. We 1250 01:50:05.079 --> 01:50:24.880 still grass love the night, the teens I cry, dark days go side 1251 01:50:26.399 --> 01:50:45.520 in the sky. Yet still bras never to give, never to give it 1252 01:50:46.399 --> 01:51:21.800 against he had still and time time fel it's still some time time trouble, 1253 01:51:24.680 --> 01:51:41.640 but not in dispace. Truely I make my way through trys. They come 1254 01:51:42.439 --> 01:52:09.199 to make misstro I past, and I past, and still never to give, 1255 01:52:12.000 --> 01:52:35.880 never to given against the strip. At one time feel it's still eyes 1256 01:52:40.359 --> 01:52:50.119 rise above all my problems above all my eyes can see. No, I'm 1257 01:52:50.239 --> 01:53:14.520 not able to strengthen, me, to strengthen and be got still to all, 1258 01:53:15.840 --> 01:53:43.279 to giving against all, still on the po at times I feel yet 1259 01:53:43.399 --> 01:54:00.199 still. I need to know which on to know yet still time feel oh 1260 01:54:00.359 --> 01:54:40.319 it Stu boy Suddain. Yeah. Are you struggling to cope with life? 1261 01:54:41.000 --> 01:54:46.680 Conflict, bereavement, fear, relationship, anger, depression, negative thoughts, 1262 01:54:47.239 --> 01:54:57.359 trauma and uncertainty can all cause emotional imbalance. Don't struggle alone. CCS your 1263 01:54:57.439 --> 01:55:02.680 trusted confidential counseling service here for you. Call our listening line on zero double 1264 01:55:02.800 --> 01:55:09.840 three zero one double three two nine four five. Our office line for appointments 1265 01:55:09.920 --> 01:55:15.880 on zero two zero double seven two three eight zero five zero, or visit 1266 01:55:15.000 --> 01:55:24.560 our website www dot CCS Counseling dot org dot UK. Our counselors speak various 1267 01:55:24.640 --> 01:55:30.239 languages. CCS a shoulder to lean on. We are here to listen. 1268 01:55:31.239 --> 01:55:34.319 Adventist Radio London inspiration for the song