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Hi. My name is Tom Welling. I played Clark Kent on Smallville and

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you are listening to Always hold on
to Smallville. Welcome to Always hold on

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to Smallville. In this podcast,
we talked about each and every episode of

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the Young Superman show. They we're
from two thousand and one to twenty eleven

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on the WB and the c W. I'm our host, Zach Moore.

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We have three guests with us this
week. Eric Folk, what's up?

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Eric? Oh, not much?
Just happy to be here. Forrest,

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Yesnest, what's up Forest? Hi? Zach, It's an honor to be

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here. And Brandon what's up?
Brandon? Oh? Not much? Happy

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to be here? All right,
everybody's happy to be here. It's a

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good place to be. So,
so all you guys I've either met or

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have emailed or have contributed to the
podcast in some ways. So I wanted

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to have an episode just kind of
giving back to you guys a little bit

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and having us all together. Thought
it'd be a fun group This is a

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fun group podcast to be on.
I think Checkmate is the episode we're talking

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about this time, which, you
know, not to give away our hand,

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but a pretty good episode, y'all. Huh, yeah, I think

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so. I didn't have you guys
on like isis or something, So you're

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welcome. I appreciate that. I
appreciate that. But uh, you know,

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you know, as we do,
uh, we can go around and

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get some in reductions for you guys. Now, if you guys are on

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our social media's I was into our
mail bags probably you know some of these

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guys. But you know, Eric
has his own Smallville account and about a

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lot of the graphics on the show. So we'll talk something about that.

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Forrest. We met way back in
twenty nineteen, was it Forrest, I

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believe so at Austin Comic Con,
which was called what was that called wizard

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World, Yes, spin off of
wizard Magazine was it? I don't know,

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but that was one of the big
conventions that that you know, a

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lot of the small vill star's rats. That was fun Smallville Nights as well.

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You were you were there then,
yeah, that was a good time.

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We talked some about that and then
Brandon little here was uh and then

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Brandon here whatever our new stats guys. Uh. One of the best contributions

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ever to the podcast, the always
on the small Ville Tally board of things

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that I have said or done on
the podcast, so that that's that's really

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why you're here, Brandon to Ward's
you fall that hard work? All right,

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well, thank you very much,
so keep it up. Uh,

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we need all ten seasons. I
just kind of know, Zach, are

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you gonna just throw them all into
this episode while he's here and just pat

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those numbers? You know what,
I'm not even looking at it. I

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don't even think of it. I
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it's not it's not rigged. It's
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the things I do and say here. So thanks for that, Brandon.

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But you know, let's go around
as we do for people are on the

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podcast for the first time, to
get to know you, for the listeners

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to get to know you a bit. I know you're coming from Eric.

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Let's start with you. What is
your Smallville fan journey? Oh? Man?

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So that started back when it first
came out. I'd seen most of

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season one and then my buddy Justin
He's like, hey, you got to

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check out this show. A small
Vale was like, oh, I've seen

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somemep so it's pretty good. And
then it really took off from there because

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then We got a group of us
watching the show every Tuesday and then every

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Wednesday, and most of high school
we wore Superman T shirts on Wednesdays and

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we called it Superman Wednesdays, and
then we'd kind of rotate whose house we

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went to that night as a group
to watch the show, and it was

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just super fun. We kept that
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you know, I left for college, and then later a mission for my

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church came back, had to catch
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doing their own thing. But I
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And then I met my wife right
before the show ended. She watched all

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ten seasons with me, and I
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Yeah. And then we went up
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Yeah, that that's how I knew. I was like, she's the one.

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And then we went up to where
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hit up all the sites and that
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always always be grateful for her for
doing that, because it was either she

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said either let's go to Hawaii and
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visit where they filmed Smallville. And
she's like, well, my sister lives

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there, but on the off chance
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filmed Smallville. And then she moved. I was like, yes, so

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I definitely got the better end of
the deal there. But we had a

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good time. It's it's been a
lot of fun. And then I remember

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going over the do you want me
to talk about the Smallville paper stuff or

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do you want me to do that
later on? Absolutely no to tell you

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I'll do that, So tell us
about the great it's a great story,

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right, and tell us about your
small little fan project you've been working on.

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How long you have been working on
this? Okay? So I remember

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they had the small Ville Torch website. I'd go on it periodically, didn't

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really think a whole lot of it. But then rewatching the show with my

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son when he was in high school, I was like, oh, I

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remember that side one for you can
still access it, and using the way

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back machine, I was able to
find the website and I was like,

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this would be fun to like put
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had access to or like had published
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anywhere, So I was like,
I'm going to just gather all these for

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myself. So I did. I
took like screenshots of each page that I

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could find, and just had like
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the Smallville Torch and the Ledger and
then also the Luther Corp. Stuff that

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you could access to the time.
And then once I had all those,

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was like, I bet there's other
people probably want this as much as I

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do. So that was when I
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hey, do you want some of
this? And you were like, sure,

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sign me up. So I sent
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remember if as you told me to
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was something I thought of, I
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I don't recall exactly either. I
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yeah, I keep sending me to
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I might post them some time.
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You didn't post them like right away, I was like, I'm gonna

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put these out there. No,
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because it makes more sense because with
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I'm in season, you know,
well this has been over the last

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couple years, you know, but
late in the seasons, I'm like,

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hey, you guys, remember the
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I'm glad you did your own thing
because then you can get like credit

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for it too. I don't be
like because people just oh cool, look

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something else Zach did, like no, no, no, Eric. So

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I'm glad you did in your own
thing. And so where can people find

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your small Ville papers archive stuff?
So I've got them all out on Facebook

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right now if you just want to
view all of them. And I've thrown

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in like actual paper like screenshots of
papers and stuff from the show as well.

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But then I also have an Instagram
one it's just Smallville papers, and

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that one I just upload something new
every day just to see what happens.

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That one's been been. Yeah,
you know, way back when I started

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the podcast in twenty sixteen, you
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but it wasn't like what it is
now, right. I was like,

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I don't want to get into that, you know, so I never

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like, there's no always on the
smavel Instagram. But if I did it,

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when I've been falling into that rabbit
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But you know, you you try
to tie into like hey, look talk

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Phil was talking about this. Let
me in this podcast, so that's you

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know, they gets you some some
into like a tie in to post the

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stuff from like you know, season
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four, like there's hardly any articles
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oh, this kind of sucks,
like even so yeah that makes sense for

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the torch I guess stuff and wow, yeah the last article they have I

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think is of the second med gear
shower. But oh okay, well that's

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what did that make sense? Yeah, so there you go. Well,

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yeah, you know, I was
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sites all the time back in the
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and I remember I remember distinctly there
was one and maybe you recall this

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because I couldn't find it anywhere.
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Pete Ross after the events of Visage
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glad it was the weekend or I
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the hallway because that was that was
a I remember we joked about a lot

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of people joked about it. I'm
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it's like Pete classically, they would
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episode a lot, and like Tina
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dead in the hallway and there's no
follow up, right, And like I

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hope Pete's okay, And like good
on whoever was writing these back in the

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day, like they picked up on
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fun stuff about you know, these
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like kind of fills in some gaps
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thing. And like I you know, the market for this, who knows,

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right, But like if they ever
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book of small alleger articles, I
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gonna have to make our own,
we have to put them out. And

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anyway, I don't know if I
have them all though, Like I've gone

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through you know, archives and stuff
and found various ones and they had like

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so they do, like a front
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but not all those links worked right. And then there's a small ville website

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that had like a link to each
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links worked. So I don't have
all of them, all of them,

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but I've got all that I could
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anyone else. So well, thanks
serk. We'll plug that again in the

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end so people can go check it
out. But sounds great, forest Man

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Forrest. We said we met it
was the world a few years ago,

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now, can you believe it?
It's been that long before the world ended

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and before times in twenty nineteen per
end of the year there and uh NEI

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we need it to the Smallville?
Was it a small like happy Hour?

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I guess they called it. You
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first? Yeah? Yeah, so
that was that was fun. So to

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talk about that for a little bit, like what what's your because I know

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Lance and I talked about it on
our podcast way back, but like for

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people like what is this because I
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do these in a lot of conventions. I don't know if they still do

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the happy Hour as much. I
know they definitely do the Smallville Knights,

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But you know, what was your
experience there and what was your takeaways?

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I'm trying to remember how I even
heard that that was all coming together because

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it was you know, this has
not been a long term con presence.

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twenty nineteen, was was I think, you know, uh Austin Cohn.

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I think that was Tom's first convention. That's when Lance and I went to

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watching DC for we like, we
got to do it. This is the

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one and only time we thought to
ever hear Tom Willing. And here we

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are five years later and he talks
about smubble every week. So this is

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in the world people, I don't
know, people might not appreciate this in

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the world before talk Phlle, this
was a very you know, unique situation,

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right. I was just gonna say
that is even a couple of years

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later, what a dramatic shift it's
been since Talkville and Tom and Michael being

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a little bit more in the public
you know sphere reachable over social media.

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But no, it was definitely a
big deal. And what sealed it for

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me is that it wasn't just them, but it was such a full cast

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Kristen Erica, John Glober, Laura
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not ignore it. The more they
announced who else was coming, it was

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like a small OL reunion tour almost
did you totally did you get a photo

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with the cast? I do have
a group photo. Something shifted in my

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universe when that happened. It's just, of course, do you guys like

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microphotover lances in the center of it. Yeah, as he should be.

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I I'm very conflicted about that.
We have a good laugh. I can't

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imagine why. I can't imagine why
it's right in the middle. I'm like

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off on the side. We just
that's how we that's how we walked into

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the thing. You know, it
was just like he was in front of

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me. We of course we were
gonna do it together, not only because

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you know, we're best friends,
a little smavel together, but you know,

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it saves money, just put the
cost on one of these things.

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It's just I didn't really think about
it. But I'm like, oh there

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I am kind of behind everybody on
the side, and I'm like, well,

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that'll be my background, and but
no, no, it's it's it's

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uh, it's great. We have
a good laugh about it. But but

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no. So so we met you
there and then reconnected on you know afterward,

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obviously, and you see me a
great a Talkville artwork of their uh

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you know, when The hawk Fill
first started, they had these really cool

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like Colm but covers I don't I
don't remember who drew them or whatever,

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and that I think I don't know
the first ten episodes or so, and

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I really liked him. I was
like, Oh, they're gonna do this

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every time, Like that's like the
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to do that. You know,
who knows what happened behind the scenes or

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what the long term plan was that
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since like season one. But you
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on social media, you kind of
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a Talkville you know, issue on
quote unquote, and you know it's the

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repurpose. And the cool thing about
those those covers was like they repurpose like

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promo photos but like put modern day
Tom and Mike Linham and it's really cool

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if people can look it up.
And I think they still have obviously they

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do still have them for sale and
I'm gonna find a good spot thinking up.

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So thank you for that. For
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Act. We actually think we had
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you send me that. So Just
for the record, I just want to

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add about Wizard World, which is
that I went really for the photo and

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then when they started adding new pieces
of the happy hour thing or the or

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the small vill nights, it was
just like the piece that you just had

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about saving money resonates, because I
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and the next thing, and then
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booths and all of these individual small
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mesmerized from you know, the line, and then got completely sucked in and

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went like back to the payment booth
multiple times to be like, Okay,

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maybe I will do a quick talk
with Tom and maybe I'll do a quick

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talk with Erica. So I was
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was a sucker for the I just
got drawn in. Well yeah, but

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it still recommends you still recommend doing
those though, right, The Smavel Knights

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and the Happiest definitely Knights super fun. Yeah, oh you Eric, It's

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okay, super silly and really fun
to see them like that. It's just

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it's clear what the Tom and Michael
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remember I remember that now, Eric, The thing we talked about it too,

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and I don't I don't know that
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the one that Forrest and I were
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that's cool. No, we just
had Tom and Michael so fun Yeah.

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He just he's having me that convention
and and he's like lax. I'm like,

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oh my god, we're in an
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You still hear it in the back
of your head because he was so good,

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and uh, it's so funny the
energy of them for us. You

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know, I don't know if you
remember that the Happy Avay very much,

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but like you know, they both
kind of talk and it's so it's so

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interesting, like they're different, they're
different approach to it. It's so true

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to who they are, right,
Yeah, they were just it's it's clear

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that whatever happened on the show,
you know, they were there for each

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other. And obviously that's still a
parent today. But but you're totally right

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that it's it's a completely different world. I probably still go to it now,

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talk, yeah, because they'll have

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more knowledge about at least the episodes. But I just singly remember, like

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Michael say, he is having a
good time manage Yeah, and then Tom's

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like, I just I just want
people to feel like they're getting their money's

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worth out of this. Just they're
so different, but it's great, it's

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it's it's really fantastic. So and
and then for us, I we kind

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of skipped ahead to kind of how
we met and what your experiences were there,

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But like, what about your small
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find the show? So I grew
up knowing that my dad really liked Superman

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and was a big fan of the
comics in the fifties and sixties, and

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at some point he started showing me
the ones that he'd kept, like in

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these binders, and I remember being
interested in that, And I honestly don't

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remember where the exact connection to Smallville
was, but I have really fond nostalgic

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memories of being eight years old and
watching the DVDs on our portable DVD player,

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which is quite the timeline to bring
back into the fold. But I

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watched one, two, and three
all in the summer before season four came

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out, So Crusade was the first
live episode that I watched. A lot

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of people, man, that's true
for a lot of people. Yeah,

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wonder why. ABC Family was another
factor there when they started showing them.

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But that was, man, that
was the you know, I say two,

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three, two and three or the
peak, but I think four was

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also like you know, coasting off
that, and then you know, then

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it just you know, they continued
on. Yeah, and and I have

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different feelings about the different seasons that
perhaps we'll get into, but sure some

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some aligned with you and some a
little bit divergent, okay, but I

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think, you know, it was
just in some ways, it's kind of

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like come for the powers and the
superhero stuff and and then you know,

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nostalgia or whatever, and stay for
the emotional stuff, Like I get,

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it's so real. The relationships,
as we always talk about are it's it's

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just such a wholesome, intense,
beautiful story. And the music, as

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you've said Zach before, it was
just the core platform, you know,

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the foundation of my musical interests.
And I also like dragged people in to

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watch it, friends at school.
I remember like going to school bringing the

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DVD sets and saying, here's the
next one, just being like feeling like

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nobody was as interested as I was. So that's what was so cool about

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about your podcast coming into the world. Is it transformed like it was this

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niche interest I had and all of
a sudden it was it was known there

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were other people like me there.
You go, noh, well, we

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can all relate to that for sure. And Brandon, what about you,

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man? How did you find small
Doll become a fan? I found it

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through my dad. He's a big
DC comics fan. Bought a lot of

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the comics as a kid. I
was only seven when the show started in

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two thousand and one, so I
don't know how. Yeah, I don't

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know how. He now I felt
old. Yeah, definitely was not starting

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high school at Clark. But did
you think high school was going to be

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like this for you? You know, not exactly, no, because I

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didn't grow up in Smallville. But
I grew up in a town called Callville.

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Small town. We had five thousand
people in our town. We were

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the biggest town in the county.
See that's a real small vill right there,

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None of this forty six thousand.
Yeah, this show likes to act

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like it's a small town, and
they show it that way. But every

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time I see that welcome to Smallville
sign, it kind of makes me laugh.

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A bit because that's not how a
forty thousand person town really is.

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But yeah, my dad, we
pretty much watched it from the pilot.

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I fell off after I think season
seven because that's when I started high schools,

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right around when season eight was starting, and then I picked it back

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up in college and I started again
from season one, went all the way

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through, finished it up. But
yeah, I mean my dad would.

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He he's a high school teacher,
so he would tape it on a VHS

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tape in his classroom at night and
he'd bring it home when we'd watch it

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the next day at home. Nice. I got a lot of my old

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tapes. I wish I had recorded
every episode of the tape. Then I

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would have had like promos and commercials, because after like season three or four,

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it was all DVR and then you're
like, well you're lead it at

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some point, right, So there's
so many I wish I had more of

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that stuff. Fortunately, there's been
people online who have, you know,

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uploaded promos and things. Unfortunately I
been able to find them and share them.

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But there was something cool about and
then I'm glad I did because when

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I when I started the podcast,
like especially like season two or so like

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I'm the I'm the if you go
search like a promo for duplicity, I'm

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the person who posted it. That's
all you. Yeah, it's like I

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don't know why nobody, No,
they're not out there, But there are

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a lot of good other YouTube channels
that have uploaded promos. And then I

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found some other I found some links
somewhere that had like every promo from like

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season one to seven, Like oh
great, perfect, And I'm glad I

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saved all those wh I did because
then they had like disappeared some like again

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like it's me uploading a lot of
promos. Well, let's go so so

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so Brandon. Uh, Like I
said in the mail back episode, your

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emails about the tally board have been
my favorite emails. No offense to you

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guys, but anybody else here.
But what what what inspires you to do

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such a thing. Oh well,
I'm I'm I'm an electrician, so I'm

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just around driving around a lot,
on jobs a lot. So I'm just

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looking for stuff to listen. I
found Talkville. Listen to that saw,

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you know, listen to your episode
that you were on there swapped over.

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I kind of fell off Talkville after
Rosetta, just Michael saying that could not

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be as good as the pilot.
I was like, you know what you're

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saying, this is as good as
the pilot. I don't know if he

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understands. If the pilot is the
best upso of the show, you probably

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don't have a very good show.
Yeah, yeah, let's call it down

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trajectory. Yeah. So, I
you know, I listened through, and

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you know, some of some of
these, some of some of the things

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that you say commonly just made me
laugh. And so I was like,

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you know, I got through I
think season seven. I was like,

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I better go back, and I
think that would just be a fun thing

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to go back and see how many
times he said them. So fun.

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So I went through, and I've
listened to you to your podcast twice now,

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so I get all that stuff.
Well, I appreciate it, and

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I'm looking forward to the final talities
as the season's continue. So some of

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those, some of those I'm like, oh, yeah, I say this

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all the Time'm sure the other ones'
is like, oh, that's rather surprised.

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So that that's fun, but well
cool, y'all. Well there you

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go, those little insights y'all.
For the listeners, and I you know,

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I guess real quick before we get
into the episode, you were in

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season nine, right, we're getting
near the end of the show for us.

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You know, you briefly mentioned your
your season, you know, opinions,

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we can we can go around it
and share this quickly. But like

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as far as the eras of the
show go, right, we're in like

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the metropolisis right now, eight,
nine and ten. Forst what's your favorite

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era of the show, and is
it this it's not where we currently are,

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sorry to say, I mean,
I guess the like the real question

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for all of us is, excuse
me, can we really get beyond the

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nostalgia of one, two, and
three, Like there's just something so core

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to the beginning. But I also
have affection for four and six, which

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I know might be a minority opinions
that might kick me off the call for

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something well, I mean if four, I mean, you have the nostalgia

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factor for four because that was one
of your first I mean, the first

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live episodes to watch. That makes
sense, right, Definitely season three is

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like season of the whole show.
But yeah, I definitely like the high

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school years and a lot of that
ties into our small Viala or our Superman

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Wednesdays that we were doing at the
time, So I just, yeah,

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just can't top those. Yeah,
fair, what about your Brandon, I

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mean, you came to it at
a different age than us. Maybe maybe

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that have will influence your favorite seasons. But yeah, I mean I remember

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thinking, you know, as a
kid, I was like, oh,

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yeah, those early seasons were awesome, and you know, I fell off

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after season seven. My dad kept
watching. I remember him watching. I

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wasn't watching with him, but I
came in and it was it was absolute

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justice. He was watching and I
was like, what the heck is this

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show? And he's like, trust
me, seasons eight through ten are better

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than the others. And I was
like, I that doesn't even make sense.

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Once they got with Alex Man,
the show really took off, let

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me tell you. Yeah. But
you know, after having Washington College,

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and definitely as I get older,
I appreciate the later seasons more. We're

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season nine is definitely my favorite.
So we're deep in my favorite season right

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now. Excellent? Excellent. Yeah, I mean to answer your question for

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it soon. Season nine is the
one that kind of breaks through, gets

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up there with season one, two
and three. For me to the nostalgia

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at all. And I really I've
been enjoying it. And you know,

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when we you know, because because
Brandon has done the math and seen what

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my favorite seasons are, and I
think we do the math, we're going

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to find that season nine I might
even be my favorite. Well, well

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we'll see if it's well, man, I got to rethink a lot of

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things, but I'm giving a lot
of the s. All right. Well,

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that being said, let's get into
within check Mate. It's time before

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Oliver wasn't even our real target and
who was? You're after everyone who's ever

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worked at Watchdower. You left your
greatest asset vulnerable one. That's your move,

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Smallville. All new episode this Friday
at eight seventh Central on the CW.

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Checkmate is the seventeenth episode of Smallville
ninth season. It aired on April

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ninth, twenty ten. Was written
by John Chisholm and directed by Tim Scanlon.

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Now, this is John Chisholm's first
episode of Smallville, first of three.

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He goes on the right, Patriot
and dominion in season ten, which

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you know, I think some pretty
strong episodes, huh yeah, not bad.

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Now, based off his IMDb this
is the only thing he has done.

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So I don't know where he came
from or where he went to.

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Maybe all these little more research before
he got season ten, because you were

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a couple of episodes there, but
again not sure hand too much off the

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top of a very strong outing for
a first time writer on the show,

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and Tim Scalon had directed quite a
few episodes as well, So we got

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a first time or and a long
timer here behind this episode. Now ratings,

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00:28:26.720 --> 00:28:33.960
watch Brandon. Let's start with you, Okay, to give you a

409
00:28:33.000 --> 00:28:38.079
little context, the previous week's episode, Escape got two point one to three

410
00:28:38.200 --> 00:28:45.119
million viewers in April of twenty ten, and way back, season premiere Savior

411
00:28:45.160 --> 00:28:48.880
in September two thousand and nine got
two point five eight million viewers. So

412
00:28:51.039 --> 00:28:56.079
we'll go around and see what you
all think checkmate got in April twenty ten.

413
00:28:56.039 --> 00:29:00.319
Okay, so you said Escape got
two point one three that is correct.

414
00:29:03.880 --> 00:29:11.000
Hmmm. I mean that's a good
episode. I'm gonna Escape one with

415
00:29:11.839 --> 00:29:15.759
Shi. I enjoy that one.
When I when I think of season nine

416
00:29:15.839 --> 00:29:18.200
good episodes, though, that does
not come to mind. That's why my

417
00:29:18.279 --> 00:29:23.599
reaction was so well, it's not
as strong in terms of riding, but

418
00:29:23.640 --> 00:29:30.119
there's some fun stuff in that episode. I'm gonna I'm gonna give I'm gonna

419
00:29:30.119 --> 00:29:33.720
say it went up a little bit. I'm gonna say two point two two,

420
00:29:34.440 --> 00:29:41.359
all right, Forrest, what about
you, I'm gonna think that we're

421
00:29:41.440 --> 00:29:47.440
kind of plateauing, so I'm gonna
stick around to one. Two point one

422
00:29:47.480 --> 00:29:52.519
all right? Eric, Well,
that last episode I always feel like should

423
00:29:52.559 --> 00:29:59.000
be the Supernatural crossover episode, but
yeah, I also think it plat d.

424
00:29:59.039 --> 00:30:03.400
I'm gonna say two point one two, slightly down, two point one

425
00:30:03.440 --> 00:30:04.720
two alright, So we got so
we got two point two from Brandon,

426
00:30:07.559 --> 00:30:15.240
two point one from Forrest, and
two point one two from Eric. Well,

427
00:30:15.279 --> 00:30:19.720
two point one three. It was
exactly the same as the previous week,

428
00:30:19.839 --> 00:30:25.759
so you guys are very closer circling
it and uh so, hey,

429
00:30:26.200 --> 00:30:29.440
to your point, Brandon, people
didn't dislike escape, so they came back.

430
00:30:29.440 --> 00:30:41.519
Everybody came back. Yeah. Oh
man. So the episode starts out

431
00:30:41.519 --> 00:30:45.079
with a previously on Smallville by Alison
Mack. We get little flashes of what's

432
00:30:45.079 --> 00:30:48.559
going going on. We get some
Oliver Chloe romance, so you know what's

433
00:30:48.559 --> 00:30:52.680
going on there. Martian Manhunter talking
about his powers being restored from absolute justice

434
00:30:53.119 --> 00:31:00.359
of Candorian blood being taken by Checkmate, and then a mix of all kinds

435
00:31:00.400 --> 00:31:03.920
of footage which means nothing to this
story. They just were like, Eh,

436
00:31:03.960 --> 00:31:07.240
that's a cool show. Right again, these previously on small voes might

437
00:31:07.319 --> 00:31:11.960
look like the greatest most intense action
pact show of all time, and even

438
00:31:11.000 --> 00:31:18.079
the music like great, great job
on that stuff, right send me,

439
00:31:21.119 --> 00:31:25.880
And then the episode starts proper.
And then when the episode itself starts,

440
00:31:25.920 --> 00:31:30.480
we get a beautiful exterior shot of
uh, Checkmate's headquarters. I'm like,

441
00:31:30.559 --> 00:31:37.200
I mean this must be CGI of
like Norway or something. I don't know,

442
00:31:37.240 --> 00:31:38.319
but it's like, this is a
very beautiful shot. And like I'm

443
00:31:38.359 --> 00:31:45.079
so used to these stock shots of
Metropolis or a helicopter from years ago,

444
00:31:45.400 --> 00:31:49.759
or the CGI daily Planet like or
the Smallville main street. Like I got

445
00:31:49.759 --> 00:31:55.559
it. Like I was very impressed
that they created this, and they kept

446
00:31:55.599 --> 00:31:57.599
cutting into it and with more than
one angle too, like keep going back

447
00:31:57.599 --> 00:32:00.480
to tether the episodes this is I'm
like, this is great. Like I

448
00:32:00.480 --> 00:32:04.880
don't good on them for creating this. This could have been such a lazy

449
00:32:06.960 --> 00:32:12.759
like model in the background, same
shot every time, but I was really

450
00:32:12.759 --> 00:32:15.079
impressed by this, I think.
So I don't know where this came from,

451
00:32:15.160 --> 00:32:19.680
Like, I is this from them, because I don't see him spending

452
00:32:19.680 --> 00:32:22.920
the money at this late in the
game to make something that new, right,

453
00:32:22.319 --> 00:32:25.799
That was my That was one thing
as well, But I believe they

454
00:32:25.920 --> 00:32:30.640
cut some costs other places. It
was a little some stock footage. Yeah,

455
00:32:30.680 --> 00:32:32.160
I think that's how they balanced that
out. But I was, I

456
00:32:32.279 --> 00:32:37.680
was like, y'all, I thought, I thought, certainly, I'm like,

457
00:32:37.720 --> 00:32:38.759
this is the best use of your
budget right now. But sure,

458
00:32:39.160 --> 00:32:42.640
because they do go back to it
later the season, so it's not like

459
00:32:42.640 --> 00:32:45.359
a one off. If it was
just gonna be one off, I'm sure

460
00:32:45.359 --> 00:32:51.680
they would have like found some stock
footage from some WB movie and well they

461
00:32:51.720 --> 00:32:57.480
could have found stock footage from Harry
Potter like that is full Hogwarts. Yeah,

462
00:32:57.640 --> 00:33:02.559
oh, very impressive. But then
we keep zooming in and and there's

463
00:33:02.599 --> 00:33:08.839
a there's a chessboard on Amanda Waller's
office, and and uh, did you

464
00:33:08.880 --> 00:33:14.079
guys think her off is a little
overly themed to chess? Yeah, that

465
00:33:14.119 --> 00:33:17.200
would get boring pretty quick. Also, the Bishop and Knight, we're in

466
00:33:17.240 --> 00:33:21.359
the wrong places on the black side. Did just do that? I did

467
00:33:21.400 --> 00:33:23.839
not. I did not notice that. Yeah, for such a chess I

468
00:33:23.880 --> 00:33:29.079
feel like John Chilsholm like he must
have been he must have been in a

469
00:33:29.160 --> 00:33:35.799
chess club himself. With all the
chess visuals and dialogue like your move,

470
00:33:35.880 --> 00:33:37.480
I'm like, but I really like
it, Like this had an angle like

471
00:33:37.519 --> 00:33:42.200
this was this had a language like
this episode was like this is chess,

472
00:33:42.279 --> 00:33:45.759
this is checkmate. And it was
like because because I criticized small it was

473
00:33:45.799 --> 00:33:49.160
such generic dialogue all the time,
But no, this is like specific to

474
00:33:49.240 --> 00:33:52.720
this episode in these characters. But
the Brandon were you thrown off? But

475
00:33:52.799 --> 00:33:54.440
the fact that not only was there
chessboards on the floor but also the wall

476
00:33:57.839 --> 00:34:04.160
a bit, Yeah, that some
serious branding for a covert government operation.

477
00:34:05.519 --> 00:34:09.320
I wonder what this place could be. And I'm so I was introduced to

478
00:34:09.320 --> 00:34:15.719
Amanda Waller through Justice League Unlimited,
and I was like, I don't remember

479
00:34:15.800 --> 00:34:19.880
this chess stuff, but sure,
I mean the comic book. She's part

480
00:34:19.920 --> 00:34:24.760
of a lot of organizations. So
then when we get a real interesting slow

481
00:34:24.800 --> 00:34:30.639
motion of like you know, her
knocking over the White Knight is so much

482
00:34:30.679 --> 00:34:35.360
slow motion in this episode, Yeah, so much slow motion, but but

483
00:34:35.440 --> 00:34:37.400
not even like they have a cool
Zack Snyder slow motion and they have like

484
00:34:37.440 --> 00:34:42.159
old school like I don't know,
Peter Jackson slow motion where it's like,

485
00:34:42.239 --> 00:34:45.679
hey guys, you didn't shoot at
slow motion. It's all gendary. Now,

486
00:34:45.679 --> 00:34:51.159
I don't know why who is the
White Knight? Is it? Is

487
00:34:51.199 --> 00:34:58.760
it Clark? It's supposed to be
Test, right, it's Tests. Maybe

488
00:34:58.760 --> 00:35:00.719
it was Lex and Test too.
Well. The thing the thing was,

489
00:35:00.880 --> 00:35:07.920
the thing was the misdirect here is
like, oh, you think Amanda Waller

490
00:35:07.000 --> 00:35:10.480
is mad at Test Mercer and we're
taking her out, but instead it was

491
00:35:10.559 --> 00:35:15.199
like we're activating Agent Mercer and it's
all set up to get Green Arrow,

492
00:35:15.239 --> 00:35:17.760
but really to get watch Towers.
So I don't. But then like Clark

493
00:35:17.920 --> 00:35:22.199
knows that the that the Night is
her. We'll talk about that later.

494
00:35:22.320 --> 00:35:24.079
I'm like, how do you know
that? But anyway, I like,

495
00:35:24.760 --> 00:35:28.199
again, good on into leaning to
the chess thing though, because this this

496
00:35:28.280 --> 00:35:30.519
is something different and something from the
comics and something new. We haven't we

497
00:35:30.519 --> 00:35:37.639
haven't seen this, right, So
we see Tests is sent to a message

498
00:35:37.639 --> 00:35:44.280
from Checkmate because her chest her chest
piece has been moved, and I want

499
00:35:44.320 --> 00:35:46.880
to go back and see how long
has that chessboard been in her office.

500
00:35:47.880 --> 00:35:52.119
Just this episode. Come on,
y'all, come on, no way from

501
00:35:52.159 --> 00:35:59.079
the makers of the Veritas window,
come the chessboard. And it kind of

502
00:35:59.119 --> 00:36:01.800
like this is like Age Mercer activated
here, right, we get this almost

503
00:36:01.920 --> 00:36:07.920
James Bond esque kind of music and
every surface is like a men in Black

504
00:36:08.039 --> 00:36:12.960
room with you know, the guns
coming out and all these things. She

505
00:36:13.000 --> 00:36:15.639
has her a little suit up and
then she she legit has like a Wayne

506
00:36:15.719 --> 00:36:21.199
Enterprises compartment to just like slide out
of her office to like she went down

507
00:36:21.280 --> 00:36:25.159
like that's a from the top of
Luthor. Yeah, she laundry shirt from

508
00:36:25.159 --> 00:36:30.760
the top of Luther Corp. To
the street. So go ahead, I'm

509
00:36:30.760 --> 00:36:32.880
sure it's the same question. Is
this Luther Corp? Or is this the

510
00:36:32.920 --> 00:36:37.079
Daily Plane? Ah? Good call
that. You're right. This is her

511
00:36:37.119 --> 00:36:42.159
Daily Planet office because all of her
has the LUF office. Is it also

512
00:36:42.239 --> 00:36:46.039
the office that Lex was in in
the Daily Planet? Yes, I know,

513
00:36:46.159 --> 00:36:49.079
I know, production wise, it
is, And I'm pretty sure it's

514
00:36:49.079 --> 00:36:53.039
supposed to be because it's like the
owner's office. So interesting. It's like

515
00:36:54.559 --> 00:37:00.599
what they decided to make offices for, Like Lionel never had a house or

516
00:37:00.639 --> 00:37:06.480
anything, but Lex has the Luthercorp. Office and the Daily Planet office.

517
00:37:06.599 --> 00:37:07.679
And then when Lex left, Test
is like, well, I'm gonna just

518
00:37:07.760 --> 00:37:15.480
run operations in this office. And
then they give Oliver a Luthergorp office,

519
00:37:15.480 --> 00:37:17.440
which is not as cool, Like
I think that this is the trend.

520
00:37:17.519 --> 00:37:20.360
Backed then like, oh, well, let's have a lot of bricks and

521
00:37:20.400 --> 00:37:22.440
pipes and it's all industrial. Im
Like, dude, those Luther Coorp offices

522
00:37:22.480 --> 00:37:25.239
were great, And I guess they
rebuilt them for season ten because I know

523
00:37:25.280 --> 00:37:29.679
that Lionel and you know, Earth
two Linel and Clone Lex are in there,

524
00:37:30.159 --> 00:37:32.960
so they didn't destroy those sets.
They just disassembled them. But but

525
00:37:34.039 --> 00:37:37.039
no, the office thing is always
very confusing to be two for ust.

526
00:37:37.719 --> 00:37:42.199
Do you have something, Brandon,
Oh no, I just I had it

527
00:37:42.280 --> 00:37:45.880
on my note that Tests going down
that garbage chute really made me think of

528
00:37:45.119 --> 00:37:52.000
Emperor's New Groove. I was thinking
he's going down the chute. I was

529
00:37:52.039 --> 00:37:58.840
thinking a little more along the lines
of Gremlins too, you know, John

530
00:37:58.840 --> 00:38:07.559
Gliver Escape. I was just thinking
Batman Forever Oka. But uh hey,

531
00:38:07.599 --> 00:38:09.119
you know it's it's it's a good
look for tests, these fatigues and this

532
00:38:09.199 --> 00:38:15.559
wig. You know, on the
topic of the wig, I'm convinced this

533
00:38:15.599 --> 00:38:22.360
is Dinah's wig, oh from a
from a Siren. Yeah, you're probably

534
00:38:22.400 --> 00:38:30.400
speaking of saving budget. You're probably
correct because it's it's kind of like Glano's

535
00:38:30.400 --> 00:38:34.800
wig from season seven, Like you
know that that that looks like a wig.

536
00:38:35.880 --> 00:38:39.440
You're not feeling anyone, but you
know, I'll say this, I

537
00:38:39.440 --> 00:38:43.880
think it's well directed because obviously it's
the same backlot we see a hundred times.

538
00:38:43.880 --> 00:38:45.400
Just the way it shot, like
I don't know, like you don't

539
00:38:45.400 --> 00:38:49.320
see the tops and bottoms of buildings
and like it could be any street,

540
00:38:49.440 --> 00:38:52.199
right, And then she kind of
Sherlock Holmes styles Sherlock Holmes of the Robert

541
00:38:52.239 --> 00:38:58.199
Downey Universion, like notices things right. Yeah, and the slow mo punch

542
00:38:58.320 --> 00:39:05.679
the faith that was very Robert down
somebody's a guy Richie fan. So once

543
00:39:05.679 --> 00:39:08.239
she punched him in the face,
she hits him on the left side and

544
00:39:08.280 --> 00:39:12.400
so the blood comes out the right
side. But then later when you see

545
00:39:12.480 --> 00:39:15.599
him, he's got like dried blood
on the left side of his face.

546
00:39:15.639 --> 00:39:20.599
He just maybe have a steake blood. It's all an act. You played

547
00:39:20.599 --> 00:39:28.679
the makeup wrong. I didn't recall
exactly like, oh, they actually trying

548
00:39:28.679 --> 00:39:30.639
to get to because I know,
like, oh, she has the issues

549
00:39:30.679 --> 00:39:32.159
of checkmate, right, so I'm
like, oh, they're really trying to

550
00:39:32.159 --> 00:39:36.039
get her, now, I didn't
really. They did a good job of

551
00:39:36.119 --> 00:39:37.800
like, oh, this could go
either way of like this is actually him

552
00:39:37.800 --> 00:39:42.400
trying to get her, or this
is a this is a staged thing,

553
00:39:42.519 --> 00:39:46.800
right. Gotta love green arrow though
on patrol with no bow and arrow just

554
00:39:46.800 --> 00:39:51.519
walking around. So strange to see
that. I know he has his compact

555
00:39:51.519 --> 00:39:54.400
bow and his little you know,
crossbow, but you're the green arrow man.

556
00:39:55.000 --> 00:39:58.440
He's the green are He's not the
green bow and arrows. Just a

557
00:39:58.760 --> 00:40:05.159
arrow, that's all he carries with
him. That's good. And he sees

558
00:40:05.159 --> 00:40:08.000
this disturbance through his sunglasses, which
which you have this heads up display which

559
00:40:08.000 --> 00:40:13.159
they occasionally throw at you, which
which which to me I'm glad they do

560
00:40:13.239 --> 00:40:15.679
because otherwise it's like, why are
you wearing these sunglasses? I thought that

561
00:40:15.719 --> 00:40:23.159
was cool when it came out.
Yeah, some Brandon. Oh, I'm

562
00:40:23.199 --> 00:40:30.239
just saying it wouldn't make any sense
he's trolling at night wearing sunglasses. I

563
00:40:30.280 --> 00:40:31.599
think. I don't know like that. I actually haven't a counter for that,

564
00:40:31.639 --> 00:40:36.039
like the green ear heads up display
because I'm like maybe three times so

565
00:40:36.199 --> 00:40:39.519
far. It's it's so rare,
so it feels so random and out of

566
00:40:39.519 --> 00:40:43.880
place. I know that I don't
Lance and I had a good laugh about

567
00:40:43.880 --> 00:40:47.000
it on I think we're talking about
was it must have been Bride When he

568
00:40:47.039 --> 00:40:51.639
goes to shoot, like what he
thinks he's gonna shoot? Lex's the mannequin.

569
00:40:51.719 --> 00:40:54.280
I'm like, did you really need
your heads up to play for that?

570
00:40:55.599 --> 00:41:00.679
It's turned off his targeting computer?
So, uh, these Oliver shots

571
00:41:00.880 --> 00:41:04.679
of him running on the rooftop and
doing like a tumble like this is stock

572
00:41:04.719 --> 00:41:09.199
footage? Right? Oh yeah,
I actually where they're from. I do

573
00:41:09.320 --> 00:41:13.079
care, I do ca. Okay, So the Oliver Park course scenes are

574
00:41:13.079 --> 00:41:16.960
from Arrow and Absolute Justice. Okay, that and then they also reuse the

575
00:41:17.000 --> 00:41:20.639
Martian Manhunter, but we can get
to that one. Yes, I knew

576
00:41:20.639 --> 00:41:23.239
that. Okay, So yeah,
the the the hit, the turn and

577
00:41:23.239 --> 00:41:25.079
flip and all that. I'm like, I know I've seen that and I

578
00:41:25.119 --> 00:41:29.000
wasn't good. Thanks for looking that
up. I knew I've seen these exact

579
00:41:29.000 --> 00:41:30.760
shots, but it's like, where
that's from. I gotta gotta find this.

580
00:41:31.280 --> 00:41:34.400
I'm not gonna hold that again.
Some fair play to them right,

581
00:41:34.480 --> 00:41:37.039
it's it's been long enough. It's
been long enough, and it's look,

582
00:41:37.079 --> 00:41:42.440
he's running across the rooftops. It's
fine because look because they give us beautiful

583
00:41:42.480 --> 00:41:47.360
cgi castle, I'm gonna forgive all
that stuff, right. Uh. And

584
00:41:47.400 --> 00:41:52.800
then so you know, Test keeps
running and we end up and then I

585
00:41:52.840 --> 00:41:54.440
know exactly where they shot this,
but they kind of hide it pretty well.

586
00:41:54.480 --> 00:41:58.519
It's underneath the overpass, which they
use way too often because there's like

587
00:41:58.519 --> 00:42:04.599
a fence and a train track.
So this last last agent standing is like

588
00:42:04.639 --> 00:42:08.880
in a shooter, but then Green
Arrow shoots him instead with his little crossbow.

589
00:42:09.800 --> 00:42:13.920
Well, they had to get their
their Batman returns reference in there first.

590
00:42:14.119 --> 00:42:17.400
Okay, this black, I'm black? Right, This here elevates this

591
00:42:17.440 --> 00:42:20.800
episode to me. I remember when
I saw, Oh my god, that

592
00:42:20.960 --> 00:42:23.880
doing the Batman returns thing, because
he's like he's using his voice changer,

593
00:42:23.960 --> 00:42:29.679
right, and he's like he's talking
to this Look, I'll tell you this.

594
00:42:29.760 --> 00:42:35.639
I do think rewatching Smallville here,
Smavels, Green Arrow is way more

595
00:42:37.000 --> 00:42:40.519
accurate to the combok Oliver Queen Green
Arrow than Arrows. Yeah, he's making

596
00:42:40.639 --> 00:42:45.800
quips. He's has some left political
leanings, you know, like he I

597
00:42:45.840 --> 00:42:50.199
don't know, like I just saying
there's a reason why. I mean,

598
00:42:50.280 --> 00:42:52.880
an Arrow's great, but it's like
the Dark Knight trilogy as a show,

599
00:42:53.679 --> 00:42:58.639
and that's very obvious. But so
he's talking to this agent. He's like

600
00:42:59.079 --> 00:43:02.239
block old Black but s order to
pull off, and the agent says,

601
00:43:02.239 --> 00:43:07.440
easier than you think. I'm like, oh, it's like missiletoe can be

602
00:43:07.480 --> 00:43:09.719
deadly if you eat it. Yeah, we have to start fighting now.

603
00:43:09.800 --> 00:43:14.920
Anyway, it's great, like because
Green Narrow is the batman of the small

604
00:43:15.119 --> 00:43:19.760
universe, so like for them to
like obviously obvious, like that's that had

605
00:43:19.800 --> 00:43:22.199
to be why they put this in
here, like this right, yeah,

606
00:43:22.559 --> 00:43:24.920
I still say black on black and
starting to pull off when I wear black

607
00:43:24.960 --> 00:43:29.920
on black. So very quittable,
small ole dialogue. Do people say that

608
00:43:29.920 --> 00:43:32.400
in your life? I don't know, but I do now. Yeah.

609
00:43:34.119 --> 00:43:38.719
So he shoots this guy with his
little like dart electric Arrow because they're more

610
00:43:38.760 --> 00:43:42.280
family friendly show than Arrow, where
he would just like shoot a guy in

611
00:43:42.320 --> 00:43:46.599
a knee and uh, but it
turns out he didn't save tests. He

612
00:43:46.679 --> 00:43:53.440
played himself because it was all in
act, and she uh knocks him out

613
00:43:53.719 --> 00:44:00.880
and says check mate. Episode title
said an episode plus one because it was

614
00:44:00.920 --> 00:44:02.679
a game. I mean, I
don't like this is the thing. Like,

615
00:44:05.119 --> 00:44:07.079
what do you guys think about this? I again I said earlier,

616
00:44:07.159 --> 00:44:10.840
I like it now. I like
the whole chess talk the whole time.

617
00:44:10.880 --> 00:44:14.039
Did it wear on y'all or did
you like the vibe? What do you

618
00:44:14.079 --> 00:44:20.360
think for ust? I think it
works. I don't. I don't feel

619
00:44:20.360 --> 00:44:22.239
like it's it was totally exhausted by
the end. I think if we'd gone

620
00:44:22.239 --> 00:44:28.079
on a few more minutes, maybe
it reached its limit. No, I

621
00:44:28.119 --> 00:44:31.920
think I think it's kind of cute
and clearly they're trying to make it happen.

622
00:44:31.960 --> 00:44:37.360
I do have some confusion, like
some blurry overlaps between this and Oliver

623
00:44:37.480 --> 00:44:43.599
being kidnapped by Rick Flagg in not
so many episodes from now. That's a

624
00:44:43.599 --> 00:44:46.079
good point, but we'll get there. It's very similar. Yeah, what

625
00:44:46.119 --> 00:44:49.719
about you guys, Eric Brandon,
are you cool with the chess talk?

626
00:44:50.119 --> 00:44:52.800
It was fine, lots of fun. Yeah. I think since it was

627
00:44:52.840 --> 00:44:59.280
limited to this one episode, it
worked. Yeah, good call there.

628
00:45:00.920 --> 00:45:05.719
So do you have a question though, do we Obviously it's revealed that that

629
00:45:05.880 --> 00:45:10.800
test finds out who this is later
on, but are we to understand that

630
00:45:10.800 --> 00:45:19.559
that Oliver didn't know this was tests, that he was trailing the sunglasses.

631
00:45:19.599 --> 00:45:24.280
Man, I don't think he knew
it first, but I think once they

632
00:45:24.280 --> 00:45:28.280
were down by that train track and
he saw her face, I think that's

633
00:45:28.280 --> 00:45:30.840
when he knew it was test.
But to your point, though, for

634
00:45:30.920 --> 00:45:32.519
us, you're right, because it's
it is truly like the Batman Returns thing

635
00:45:32.960 --> 00:45:36.440
where they both are like, oh, we've we both just figured out our

636
00:45:36.480 --> 00:45:40.159
identities by saying this to each other. That wig, though, you know,

637
00:45:42.280 --> 00:45:45.880
maybe it's more powerful than we think, just like the glasses. Interesting

638
00:45:46.280 --> 00:45:51.360
guys, fools, everybody in this
universe. He needs some face facial recognition

639
00:45:51.400 --> 00:45:55.719
stuff on that on those heads off
displace sunglasses. But that's yeah, let

640
00:45:55.840 --> 00:45:59.559
let's keep Let's put a bit in
that and we can see when we get

641
00:45:59.559 --> 00:46:06.079
to that scene. But yeah,
come on, Oliver Batman would know anyway.

642
00:46:07.800 --> 00:46:10.239
So we cut the opening credits.
We come back. Uh, Chloe's

643
00:46:10.280 --> 00:46:16.119
getting static on all her monitors and
watchtower. Clark shows up and they have

644
00:46:16.159 --> 00:46:20.960
a little back and forth here,
and it's my least favorite part of this

645
00:46:21.039 --> 00:46:24.559
episode and perhaps this season, is
Chloe and Clark's dynamic where Chloe is like,

646
00:46:25.280 --> 00:46:28.159
you're the worst, Clark, and
Clark's like, I don't know,

647
00:46:28.199 --> 00:46:29.920
I don't think I am. And
by the end he's like, you're right,

648
00:46:30.000 --> 00:46:34.039
Chloe, I am the worst.
And I'm like, why why do

649
00:46:34.079 --> 00:46:37.719
you like this? But because because
Clark's like, okay, he does the

650
00:46:37.719 --> 00:46:42.480
classic like I'm sure it's no big
deal, which is never what you say.

651
00:46:42.920 --> 00:46:45.760
It never helps any argument in these
situations, just for the record,

652
00:46:45.760 --> 00:46:52.360
everybody. But then she's like,
well, unlike some people, Oliver actually

653
00:46:52.400 --> 00:47:00.239
follows protocol and Clark's like, what
protocol? So let's let's yeah, does

654
00:47:00.239 --> 00:47:01.800
he not know? Brandon, what
did you take of this? Does he

655
00:47:01.880 --> 00:47:06.480
not know? Or does he what's
going on here? Okay? So I

656
00:47:06.559 --> 00:47:09.519
thought it was interesting because no,
her protocol is that you call in while

657
00:47:09.559 --> 00:47:15.360
you're on patrol, And just the
previous episode, the opening of Escape,

658
00:47:15.800 --> 00:47:21.280
he's calling into Chloe while he's on
patrol. So I'm like, what is

659
00:47:21.320 --> 00:47:23.719
she talking about? Is he is
following protocol? We just saw that in

660
00:47:23.760 --> 00:47:29.280
the previous episode. Did you like
this, Eric? Did you like that

661
00:47:29.320 --> 00:47:34.280
he was clueless about the protocol?
It's it's in keeping with how Clark is

662
00:47:34.280 --> 00:47:37.400
clueless about a lot of things,
but maybe he was just taking two long

663
00:47:37.519 --> 00:47:42.599
lunch breaks that work. That works
to me. You know, you're absolutely

664
00:47:42.639 --> 00:47:45.440
right, Brandon. That shows the
lack of continuity there, but it does

665
00:47:45.440 --> 00:47:47.559
seem in character for Clark to be
like, what are you guys talking about?

666
00:47:47.639 --> 00:47:52.719
Like, because I don't I don't
like the guy in the chair thing,

667
00:47:52.199 --> 00:47:55.880
right, that's the air verse of
all into But that's her trying to

668
00:47:55.880 --> 00:47:58.599
be the guy in the chair and
Clark's trying to do his own thing.

669
00:47:58.639 --> 00:48:04.360
So I mean that worked for me, what about you? Four? Mostly

670
00:48:04.360 --> 00:48:08.000
I'm left with this feeling of I'd
love to see the off Screenville episode where

671
00:48:08.000 --> 00:48:12.920
they're all sitting around developing the protocol, Like, who is it that actually

672
00:48:13.000 --> 00:48:15.719
established it? Is this just Chloe
writing the manual? Or is this I

673
00:48:15.800 --> 00:48:22.440
assume it's Chloe's just taking complete control
over everything now and it's imposing her will

674
00:48:22.480 --> 00:48:27.400
and all these superheroes. Yeah,
to her credit, Our heroes in this

675
00:48:27.519 --> 00:48:31.639
show are constantly in peril and need
each other. So I agree that it

676
00:48:31.679 --> 00:48:37.239
would be it would behoove the team
for people to play along Clark, especially,

677
00:48:38.679 --> 00:48:44.480
Yeah, there's something to say though, I mean, especially like Superman

678
00:48:44.559 --> 00:48:46.960
of all heroes, like to not
have to be like, hey, i'm

679
00:48:47.000 --> 00:48:52.760
on location, watch Tower tell me
what to do, right, because he's

680
00:48:52.760 --> 00:48:57.800
been so proactive lately. Well,
that's the thing about the air overse where

681
00:48:57.800 --> 00:49:02.000
it's like, like I understand having
it. It's like in this day and

682
00:49:02.039 --> 00:49:06.559
age though, it's like you need
that because it's all in this somebody's looking

683
00:49:06.559 --> 00:49:08.159
at satellites and let me go un
lock this door for you. But I

684
00:49:08.159 --> 00:49:12.239
don't know like that. That's why, like on some at some point,

685
00:49:12.280 --> 00:49:16.320
I would love to see a period
piece Batman or Superman movie where it's just

686
00:49:16.320 --> 00:49:21.760
a guy breaking into a building going
through a foul cabinet. I don't like

687
00:49:21.800 --> 00:49:24.119
Batman, they have made serious.
I want to see Batman with a flashlight

688
00:49:24.159 --> 00:49:30.480
going through a file cabinet. That's
what I want to see. I agree

689
00:49:30.519 --> 00:49:35.480
that, hey, Superman doesn't need
it, Like certainly Superman doesn't need it,

690
00:49:35.519 --> 00:49:37.519
but I would expect that Clark would
be the one to say it actually

691
00:49:37.519 --> 00:49:42.119
really matters that everybody stays in touch, that everybody is like that we have

692
00:49:42.199 --> 00:49:45.440
each other's back. Even if he
doesn't personally need it as much that he

693
00:49:45.480 --> 00:49:49.119
would want to know other people's whereabouts
and that is kind of selfish I like,

694
00:49:49.119 --> 00:49:52.639
well, I'm good. I mean
you He's like, I don't.

695
00:49:52.719 --> 00:49:54.880
I mean, I'll be fine,
don't you guys are talking about So they're

696
00:49:54.920 --> 00:49:59.039
talking here, and they, you
know, as Chloe does, pulls up

697
00:49:59.079 --> 00:50:04.159
some some surveillance footage all of his
last location because because they the blackout is

698
00:50:04.159 --> 00:50:07.119
gone now because checkmate has obviously blacked
all this stuff and they're gone, and

699
00:50:07.159 --> 00:50:10.280
they see they enhance, enhans enhance, and they see Detective John Jones on

700
00:50:10.320 --> 00:50:16.960
the case. Clark says, your
buddy system works. I like that,

701
00:50:17.000 --> 00:50:20.800
and Chloe's well, I didn't call
him. So that's the intrigue. Right.

702
00:50:20.960 --> 00:50:22.800
Another good thing about this episode.
You have, you know, intrigue,

703
00:50:22.880 --> 00:50:25.360
like people have the different agendas going
on, nobody knows, but it's

704
00:50:25.360 --> 00:50:28.880
not like a frustrating thing like why
don't you go just talk to each other?

705
00:50:28.960 --> 00:50:30.760
So I'm like, oh, okay, you got your own thing working

706
00:50:30.800 --> 00:50:34.119
over here. Of course you would. That makes sense because even though you're

707
00:50:34.119 --> 00:50:37.400
a team, you don't like every
last thing. Yeah, I mean,

708
00:50:37.400 --> 00:50:42.119
he's he's under own police business.
So good. So this is a great

709
00:50:42.119 --> 00:50:45.159
transition, right, because we see
Clark in the watch Star with Chloe.

710
00:50:45.320 --> 00:50:47.559
He super speeds off and then you
see him upear on the screen. It's

711
00:50:47.559 --> 00:50:51.280
a subtle thing, that was,
but it's really cool, right, But

712
00:50:51.400 --> 00:50:53.880
Chloe did look confused, like she
turns around like is that really him?

713
00:50:54.800 --> 00:50:57.599
That was? That was a beat. I'm like, you didn't need that

714
00:50:57.639 --> 00:51:02.920
beat. I don't like you.
You know this watchtower, So maybe she

715
00:51:04.039 --> 00:51:06.400
just thought like that was rude.
We were in the middle of a conversation.

716
00:51:07.960 --> 00:51:10.880
She she didn't see any papers flying
around, so like, I didn't

717
00:51:10.920 --> 00:51:16.039
realize it's super sped off. That's
that's the the inconsistency of everything flying around.

718
00:51:16.079 --> 00:51:20.199
It's like it's good for some gags, but they would also be super

719
00:51:20.199 --> 00:51:22.039
annoying. So I understand why they
don't. Don't do the different time,

720
00:51:22.159 --> 00:51:24.559
even on the Flash. Right,
So I did always on the Flash.

721
00:51:24.559 --> 00:51:29.159
On the Patreon, I literally had
a category called flying papers because it's something

722
00:51:29.159 --> 00:51:35.079
I remember from that show Very Low
Tallyboard. The Lana Kills of that Tallyboard

723
00:51:35.199 --> 00:51:42.199
was the flash. So uh so, so Clark, you know, he

724
00:51:42.199 --> 00:51:45.800
shows up talking to John Jones.
He's being super coy about it. Clark's

725
00:51:45.880 --> 00:51:46.880
like, hey, so what are
you doing here? John? So come

726
00:51:46.920 --> 00:51:51.719
here in police business, which I
would love. That's been off show that

727
00:51:51.800 --> 00:51:54.199
never made of, like Martian Manhunter, John Jones beat Cop. That's what

728
00:51:54.239 --> 00:51:59.440
I'm talking about. I want to
see John Jones in a building with a

729
00:51:59.480 --> 00:52:04.559
flashlight through a foul cabinet. Phil
Morris could do it. He totally could

730
00:52:04.599 --> 00:52:07.400
have. He you know, he's
always been a supporting character character actor,

731
00:52:07.480 --> 00:52:10.800
but he definitely has the charisma of
the talent to have been a leading man

732
00:52:10.840 --> 00:52:15.719
at some point. And guys,
this is I mean, we'll talk about

733
00:52:15.719 --> 00:52:16.559
at the end, I guess,
but this is it for him. He's

734
00:52:16.559 --> 00:52:22.039
in He's in salvation on a screen. But this is the last proper Martian

735
00:52:22.119 --> 00:52:25.480
man Hunter episode, but potentially he's
best episode of the show. What do

736
00:52:25.480 --> 00:52:30.639
you guys think? Oh for sure, I have in my notes that I

737
00:52:30.679 --> 00:52:36.559
love watching What did I have?
It was? I love seeing Martian Manhunter

738
00:52:36.679 --> 00:52:40.159
doing his thing so cool, So
just anytime he's doing something in this episode,

739
00:52:40.159 --> 00:52:45.440
I just loved him on screen seeing
his powers like all of it was

740
00:52:45.480 --> 00:52:49.280
a lot of fun. Yeah,
and we see his powers more than any

741
00:52:49.320 --> 00:52:53.800
time else here, which even some
new powers which we can discuss. But

742
00:52:54.000 --> 00:52:57.840
so Clark like X raised him to
see like what's got in his pocket there?

743
00:52:57.840 --> 00:53:00.840
And he sees that he had taken
like one of the ear pieces from

744
00:53:00.840 --> 00:53:05.760
from these Checkmate agents, which a
sloppy secret agent leaving your leaving your ear

745
00:53:05.800 --> 00:53:07.800
piece on the at the scene of
the crime when you're when you were chasing

746
00:53:07.800 --> 00:53:12.360
superheroes, It's like, what are
you doing? Man? So I guess

747
00:53:12.360 --> 00:53:15.440
you know John Jones, he could
kind of tell what Clark was doing.

748
00:53:15.480 --> 00:53:16.920
He's like, you should have done
that, Clerk, And he's like,

749
00:53:17.480 --> 00:53:21.719
you shouldn't have done that, Clerk, and then he his eyes go run

750
00:53:21.719 --> 00:53:22.719
and he takes off. And this
Eric, to your point, is stock

751
00:53:22.719 --> 00:53:27.480
footage from static, right yep,
right from Static, right after he killed

752
00:53:27.519 --> 00:53:31.960
Dave Batista and flies up and you
can even see like the where they when

753
00:53:31.960 --> 00:53:36.679
he jumps up. But to their
credit, they cut away just enough where

754
00:53:36.679 --> 00:53:40.039
it's not obvious. So I'm like, it's fine, Like, it's because

755
00:53:40.079 --> 00:53:45.239
we got the cool cgi castle.
But what that's the three seasons ago you

756
00:53:45.239 --> 00:53:51.679
guys are pulling stock footage from that? Is that's interesting there? So then

757
00:53:52.079 --> 00:53:58.480
we cut the tests in uh the
back of the Checkmate truck and she's about

758
00:53:58.480 --> 00:54:00.400
to unmasked green Erow, which I'm
like, why didn't they immediately do that?

759
00:54:00.440 --> 00:54:04.199
But then Amanda Waller pops up on
a screen. She says, you

760
00:54:04.199 --> 00:54:07.440
don't have access, stand down,
Agent Mercer, you don't have access to

761
00:54:07.599 --> 00:54:16.199
clearance to peek under the hood.
So she gets dismissed and Pam Greer coming

762
00:54:16.199 --> 00:54:20.880
from the Only Davis school of Evanda
Waller just on a screen here, right,

763
00:54:20.920 --> 00:54:24.360
because it's that's so funny about the
Only Davis. Like in these last

764
00:54:24.400 --> 00:54:28.599
couple of occurrences that she's been in, she's just on a screen the whole

765
00:54:28.599 --> 00:54:30.960
time. Like, hey, hawk
man, I'm in charge of the JSA

766
00:54:31.039 --> 00:54:36.599
for some reason, go on this, you know job for me. Oh

767
00:54:36.840 --> 00:54:39.320
hi, they're black, Adam.
I'm here being projected via hologram, but

768
00:54:39.360 --> 00:54:43.719
hey, can you getting them checks
meola? Uh? Pam grew though,

769
00:54:44.360 --> 00:54:47.760
Like what a git for Smallville.
I don't know who called who or how

770
00:54:47.800 --> 00:54:53.400
this was made, but I mean
she might be my favorite live action Amanda

771
00:54:53.440 --> 00:54:57.079
Waller. What do you guys think? Yeah, she's like right off the

772
00:54:57.079 --> 00:55:04.880
page to me. I think she
just fit like just right. Yeah,

773
00:55:04.920 --> 00:55:09.519
I think she's great. I think
it's interesting she's either on a screen or

774
00:55:09.599 --> 00:55:15.199
she's standing in a doorway completely shadowed, as if we don't know who that

775
00:55:15.360 --> 00:55:21.480
is. I did like the visual
language of her of like, because she

776
00:55:21.480 --> 00:55:23.840
shows up in silhouette a couple of
times and then Clark shows up in silhouette

777
00:55:23.840 --> 00:55:25.440
to talk to her. I was
like, this is some good direction here.

778
00:55:25.480 --> 00:55:29.320
So we had lighting and like some
interesting setups here. I like a

779
00:55:29.320 --> 00:55:32.920
lot forrest. Is she your favorite
Amanda Waller or maybe Angela Bassard from grim

780
00:55:34.000 --> 00:55:39.119
Leandern. Is you tell me doctor
Amanda Waller remember her? I do.

781
00:55:39.760 --> 00:55:43.800
I will give it to small Bill. I mean, I think she is

782
00:55:44.039 --> 00:55:49.239
super intense and kind of just stays
at that level the whole time. Yes,

783
00:55:49.960 --> 00:55:52.199
but I also think that that might
just be who Amanda Waller is.

784
00:55:52.360 --> 00:55:55.880
Yes, absolutely, And look,
Leola Davis is great. She's like one

785
00:55:55.920 --> 00:56:01.559
of the best actresses in the world. But you know, and I've said

786
00:56:01.559 --> 00:56:05.679
this before, people like, well, no one but the Ola day was

787
00:56:05.679 --> 00:56:08.079
completely Abnda Waller. I'm like,
I don't know, uh, Pam Greer,

788
00:56:08.440 --> 00:56:13.000
Angela Bassett, Cynthia and I Robinson, like they've all been great,

789
00:56:13.000 --> 00:56:15.480
Like it's it's it's it's much like
much like a zod not at that level.

790
00:56:15.480 --> 00:56:17.360
But I'm like, I feel like
all the Manda Wallas we've gotten are

791
00:56:17.360 --> 00:56:22.719
great. I mean, Angela Bassett
was just a weird interpretation. I don't

792
00:56:22.719 --> 00:56:25.159
know what's going on there in Green
Lantern, but uh, but yeah,

793
00:56:25.159 --> 00:56:30.800
we got some heavy hitting actresses playing
Amanda Waller, and uh, I just

794
00:56:30.199 --> 00:56:35.400
I mean this episode captures who she
is more so than almost any other live

795
00:56:35.440 --> 00:56:38.000
action interpretation. Like, oh yeah, look, Amanda Waller killed her own

796
00:56:38.000 --> 00:56:40.519
people in Suicide Squad. What a
badass. I'm like, okay, but

797
00:56:40.679 --> 00:56:46.599
like, but that almost nonsense,
and so I'm glad. I'm glad the

798
00:56:46.639 --> 00:56:51.920
one thing continuing on in the next
DC universe iteration comes from Suicide Squad.

799
00:56:51.960 --> 00:56:53.840
That's what we should be basing our
universe offha. But anyway, that's its

800
00:56:53.840 --> 00:56:58.920
own, that's its own conversation.
But it turns out in Manda Waller's recruiting

801
00:56:58.920 --> 00:57:02.159
Green Arrow, He's like, She's
like, hey, we're checkmate, and

802
00:57:02.239 --> 00:57:05.159
this is what I'm talking about earlier. I'm like, this is so Oliver

803
00:57:05.280 --> 00:57:07.679
Queen like comic books. He's like, yeah, I think he got the

804
00:57:07.719 --> 00:57:12.159
wrong guy. I don't remember signing
up for his chess club. Like a

805
00:57:12.159 --> 00:57:15.480
combination of good dialogue and Justin Harley
just delivering these certain lions. Right.

806
00:57:16.159 --> 00:57:21.320
Oh yeah, she wakes him up
by electrocuting him and then his glasses fall

807
00:57:21.360 --> 00:57:29.280
off, so I guess that reveals
his identity to her. Sure, but

808
00:57:29.360 --> 00:57:31.800
then as she's talking, he's like
working on his his handcuffs in the back

809
00:57:31.840 --> 00:57:36.480
and breaks himself out. And had
she just not like turned off the monitor

810
00:57:36.519 --> 00:57:39.960
that they would have seen the Green
Arrow was escaping. But but no,

811
00:57:40.000 --> 00:57:43.880
this is this is some good greeno
action. And I had kind of been

812
00:57:44.000 --> 00:57:46.159
hard on Green Arrow in the last
you know, like he was season six,

813
00:57:46.199 --> 00:57:49.519
he was like, Okay, cool
Green Arrow, but then when he

814
00:57:49.559 --> 00:57:52.440
becomes the main cast member, he
like becomes not as cool as Green Narrow,

815
00:57:52.920 --> 00:57:55.519
and I feel like this is this
is more that cool Green Arrow that

816
00:57:55.559 --> 00:57:59.880
we like so much when he first
showed up, like he's resourceful, yeah

817
00:58:00.039 --> 00:58:05.559
exactly, Yeah, and uses some
explosives he has in his in his glove

818
00:58:05.599 --> 00:58:09.639
to blow off the door and then
blows off the door in surfs off the

819
00:58:09.719 --> 00:58:13.519
truck under the pavement. I think
that was I think that was a great,

820
00:58:13.960 --> 00:58:17.559
great moment. Yeah. I like
that the sea floor was green and

821
00:58:17.599 --> 00:58:22.239
the him jumping onto the door reminded
me a little bit of Batman Forever,

822
00:58:22.360 --> 00:58:24.519
but not not the cringe factor of
Batman forever, just you know, when

823
00:58:24.519 --> 00:58:30.360
they jump out on the door and
slide out. It did make me,

824
00:58:31.840 --> 00:58:37.280
oh, sorry, you go forrest. Yeah, oh, and I'll clean

825
00:58:37.519 --> 00:58:40.679
up Dori, whoever wants to go
first, all right. It did make

826
00:58:40.719 --> 00:58:45.559
me wonder where did test go because
she went out that door. I'm assuming

827
00:58:45.559 --> 00:58:49.559
the truck was driving that whole time. But as we see that door just

828
00:58:49.599 --> 00:58:52.960
goes outside, I thought she was
not the other door. Oh wait,

829
00:58:52.559 --> 00:58:57.360
yeah, that that truck was way
bigger on the inside than it looked from

830
00:58:57.360 --> 00:59:00.079
the outside, because he looked like
her goes down a hallway. Yeah,

831
00:59:00.320 --> 00:59:02.920
and you're like, where's this hallway
she goes to? And like does she

832
00:59:02.960 --> 00:59:07.639
have to climb out of the truck
to get to the front where she's sitting?

833
00:59:07.679 --> 00:59:10.960
What was somebody else driving and she
was just passenger? Like what was

834
00:59:12.000 --> 00:59:15.039
the truck moving the whole time?
Did she just jump out of the truck

835
00:59:15.079 --> 00:59:17.000
off to the side of the road, like my job here is done?

836
00:59:17.440 --> 00:59:21.320
She couldn't jump out and chase them
when she stopped the car. When she

837
00:59:21.320 --> 00:59:23.679
gets dismissed by Amanda Waller, she
she gets herself out of there. She

838
00:59:23.760 --> 00:59:30.960
obviously crawled around to the front of
the truck. You're right, the geography

839
00:59:30.000 --> 00:59:32.920
of the truck, it's like the
geography of a Jerry's apartment on Seinfeld.

840
00:59:34.480 --> 00:59:36.960
I don't know, have you seen
the schematic online where it's like it doesn't

841
00:59:37.000 --> 00:59:40.000
make sense because like the hallway in
the kitchen, like that's this truck.

842
00:59:40.280 --> 00:59:45.920
But do you have anything on this
forest. I'm just I have it up

843
00:59:45.960 --> 00:59:51.599
right now. I'm taking I'm taking
Tom's lead from Talkville and having it available

844
00:59:51.599 --> 00:59:58.039
to us. And everybody's right because
the TV is in front that he's talking

845
00:59:58.079 --> 01:00:00.679
to her on of course, so
yes, he goes it's it's completely baffling.

846
01:00:01.159 --> 01:00:06.400
And what I just wanted to add
was I understand that test doesn't have

847
01:00:06.480 --> 01:00:08.679
clearance to see who it is,
but do we have clearance to do a

848
01:00:08.719 --> 01:00:14.880
strip search? Like a lock pick
should not be on this human explosives should

849
01:00:14.920 --> 01:00:19.360
not be on it? Like it
was bad. Well, it's like they

850
01:00:19.400 --> 01:00:21.880
literally they knocked him out. They
put a bag on his head and just

851
01:00:21.920 --> 01:00:25.639
strapped into a chair with no pat
down or anything. So and they know,

852
01:00:25.719 --> 01:00:29.599
I mean, they recruiting him for
a reason, like he's a talented

853
01:00:29.719 --> 01:00:32.320
guy, like of course, so
they took his arrows because he's just the

854
01:00:32.519 --> 01:00:37.079
green arrow. That's why he uses
He's gonna have to use his actual bown

855
01:00:37.119 --> 01:00:39.480
arrow because a little Prosperitt was confiscated. But I thought it was a pretty

856
01:00:39.519 --> 01:00:44.559
badass combination of like I think,
obviously it's cgi the very first shot of

857
01:00:44.599 --> 01:00:46.119
the door blowing off and sliding,
but then it cuts like a stunt guy

858
01:00:46.159 --> 01:00:49.239
on a thing just going down a
street. And I was like, good

859
01:00:49.239 --> 01:00:52.559
one, you Smallville. You know
that's physical stunts, you know, I

860
01:00:52.559 --> 01:00:57.559
mean, obviously arrow blows small out
of the water that department. But for

861
01:00:57.639 --> 01:01:06.159
this green arrow, that was a
good stunt. So we follow up with

862
01:01:06.199 --> 01:01:10.480
Martian Manhunter. He's uh, tracked
down that last agent, the easier than

863
01:01:10.519 --> 01:01:15.840
you think guy, and he's goales
full batman on this guy. He's like

864
01:01:15.039 --> 01:01:19.480
creeping on him from the from a
rooftop. You see his eyes that okay,

865
01:01:20.920 --> 01:01:24.559
does smovel overdo the red eyes of
the Martian Manhunter. I thought it

866
01:01:24.639 --> 01:01:29.119
was fine because where he's not in
it often enough, I think that's a

867
01:01:29.119 --> 01:01:32.079
good like cue of like this guy
is not from here. Yeah, but

868
01:01:32.159 --> 01:01:35.360
if he was in the show more, then yes, I would say that

869
01:01:35.519 --> 01:01:40.119
having it that much would be a
bit much that's fair. I remember and

870
01:01:40.199 --> 01:01:45.639
the uh you know the series preor
Supergirl with Hank Kinshaw, Like the last

871
01:01:45.639 --> 01:01:50.360
shot is like, oh his eyes
are red, I know because he's Cyborcs

872
01:01:50.360 --> 01:01:52.559
super mad and I'm like, oh
no, their o versus going to use

873
01:01:52.559 --> 01:01:57.840
your comback knowledge against you. Yet
again, he's really Martian Renhunter. Which

874
01:01:59.159 --> 01:02:01.119
that's the thing where I think David
Herewood is probably the best Martian un Hunter,

875
01:02:01.199 --> 01:02:04.840
just because we spend the most time
with him and we got to see

876
01:02:04.880 --> 01:02:08.320
him in his Martian form obviously a
lot more. I just love fil Morris

877
01:02:08.320 --> 01:02:12.079
though, like I just if we
if we had gotten more of this martial

878
01:02:12.079 --> 01:02:16.159
man Nuwner, he would have been
my favorite. But just objectively speaking,

879
01:02:17.400 --> 01:02:22.159
I think that the Supergirl Marshal Ren
hunterer his spear. But this again,

880
01:02:22.199 --> 01:02:23.840
this is his best episode. He's
getting badass scenes. This is the kind

881
01:02:23.840 --> 01:02:29.400
of scenes you would get in the
John Jones The Detective Show where he comes

882
01:02:29.440 --> 01:02:31.960
down and he confronts that guy and
he pulls out a gun that the guy

883
01:02:32.000 --> 01:02:35.480
pulls a gun on him. He
just like Marsha Manner, just crushes the

884
01:02:35.519 --> 01:02:38.599
gun. It's it's it's it's good
stuff. And he's kind of a bad

885
01:02:38.639 --> 01:02:43.679
I just like, tell me where
Chicken Maate take quarters is and the guy

886
01:02:43.719 --> 01:02:47.599
takes a suicide bill pretty pretty hardcore, huh, hell Hydra, Yeah,

887
01:02:49.079 --> 01:02:53.320
definitely a Captain America vibe there where
the guy just eats the little suicide capsule

888
01:02:53.360 --> 01:03:00.000
and fumbing from the mouth. Now, I was unclear was it a suicide

889
01:03:00.239 --> 01:03:05.840
capsule like Captain America or was it
like Suicide Squad where they have the chip

890
01:03:05.840 --> 01:03:09.079
and planet in their brain. It
looked like his mouth was moving a bit,

891
01:03:09.559 --> 01:03:13.679
so that's what That's what I thought
it was. Yeah, I felt

892
01:03:13.679 --> 01:03:15.400
like it was an intentional thing that
he had done. But you're right,

893
01:03:15.760 --> 01:03:19.920
you know, on the previous Leon
at the beginning, a mana Waller's like,

894
01:03:19.920 --> 01:03:24.320
welcome to the Suicide Squad, and
you're like, oh, maybe that

895
01:03:24.639 --> 01:03:30.360
might have been better. Actually,
he just seemed more concerned when you know,

896
01:03:30.480 --> 01:03:34.960
Phil Moore said he was gonna expose
him to the world. Yeah,

897
01:03:35.039 --> 01:03:37.719
he seemed more concerned than if he
knew he was just about to kill himself.

898
01:03:38.320 --> 01:03:44.920
Good call. But then you know, he you know, starts convulsing

899
01:03:44.960 --> 01:03:46.239
on the ground as he's dying,
and then we get to see Marsha man

900
01:03:46.280 --> 01:03:50.639
Hunter celepathy powers again, stuff that
we had kind of like been aware of

901
01:03:50.960 --> 01:03:53.559
because obviously Labyrinth was one of his
first episodes and he's inside Clark's mind.

902
01:03:53.599 --> 01:04:00.440
But you know, outside of that
episode, I don't think we ever see

903
01:04:00.480 --> 01:04:03.239
him do mind stuff. Do we
mm hmmm, I don't think. So.

904
01:04:05.760 --> 01:04:10.559
He's just like fighting phantoms and stuff. He's not like doing things.

905
01:04:10.760 --> 01:04:13.400
So like this is this is Martian
running, right, So he scanning his

906
01:04:13.480 --> 01:04:16.880
mind and we see like it's you
know, it's a creative way of showing

907
01:04:16.920 --> 01:04:19.360
you what's going on. We see
some light beams from his hands. I'm

908
01:04:19.360 --> 01:04:24.559
like, all right, we didn't
we need that, That's fine, but

909
01:04:26.239 --> 01:04:32.199
yeah, that's I just want to
see hands on the face. But yeah

910
01:04:32.239 --> 01:04:36.199
what uh beamhands right, that's a
go to for for these shows, Like,

911
01:04:36.280 --> 01:04:41.880
yeah, he's doing something special,
It's fine. Uh So then we

912
01:04:41.960 --> 01:04:45.239
don't need to see like a map
or something. But we see like the

913
01:04:45.280 --> 01:04:47.639
agent and then his chest piece and
we see the castle, so we can

914
01:04:47.679 --> 01:04:54.239
take from there that from that information, Martian Manhunter found where that was.

915
01:04:54.239 --> 01:04:57.440
And I applaud Smable for the subtle
teeth like I was expecting like an Indiana

916
01:04:57.519 --> 01:05:02.719
Jones map, like where to go
in his head? But so he gets

917
01:05:02.719 --> 01:05:06.079
the location he was looking for.
So yeah, mine blasted, let's make

918
01:05:06.119 --> 01:05:11.639
my t shirt mind blasted. Yeah, that's that's a fun talk filter got

919
01:05:11.679 --> 01:05:15.719
point blasted. So then Waller,
as you mentioned earlier, she shows up

920
01:05:15.760 --> 01:05:19.199
for the first time here in silhouette
to talk to Tests. Because Test is

921
01:05:19.199 --> 01:05:25.079
pretty chill. She's like just like
getting out of the car, and Waller

922
01:05:25.199 --> 01:05:29.679
is really pissed, isn't she?
Oh yeah yeah she was. She was

923
01:05:29.760 --> 01:05:33.559
super mad. Did you stick cure
the target? But no, no,

924
01:05:33.559 --> 01:05:39.320
no, no pat down procedure here. As we established so in the van

925
01:05:39.519 --> 01:05:45.239
with Oliver Waller references you have a
long flight ahead to think of, I

926
01:05:45.239 --> 01:05:49.079
don't know, joining us or whatever. And then we have the car here

927
01:05:49.480 --> 01:05:58.159
with Tests, no plane right presumably
on site at checkmate. So it's not

928
01:05:58.280 --> 01:06:01.320
quite what day is it? What
time is it? But oh so you

929
01:06:01.360 --> 01:06:05.719
think they're at the headquarters here.
I I took it like they went to

930
01:06:05.760 --> 01:06:14.960
the airport, and so so Waller
came to chew out. Yeah maybe she

931
01:06:15.159 --> 01:06:18.880
was going to be on that plane
and they didn't have the budget to have

932
01:06:18.920 --> 01:06:24.840
a plane there, so we just
had's just have this jeep here. You're

933
01:06:24.920 --> 01:06:28.480
right, because this this really all
right, this is the only scene where

934
01:06:28.559 --> 01:06:31.360
Waller is not at h Q.
I guess, so that's a good point

935
01:06:31.400 --> 01:06:36.800
for us. I don't know where
that headquarters is. I think somewhere northern

936
01:06:36.800 --> 01:06:45.119
Europe, that I assume, but
uh, you know, she she does

937
01:06:45.199 --> 01:06:47.480
say Green Earrow was not the end
game, but it was our opening move,

938
01:06:47.519 --> 01:06:53.039
again keeping the chess terminology, and
she starts to question Testa's commitment because

939
01:06:53.039 --> 01:06:56.800
you've been off the grade for a
few months, and uh, she's like,

940
01:06:57.039 --> 01:07:00.519
I'm I'm in, and she's like
you better be because there's only one

941
01:07:00.559 --> 01:07:08.800
way out. Hence the suicide Squad
reference earlier, which they're kind of conflating

942
01:07:09.159 --> 01:07:14.280
Checkmate in the Suicide Squad. And
I'm not I'm not a comic visionado when

943
01:07:14.320 --> 01:07:16.800
it comes to these characters or organizations, but I think those are different.

944
01:07:17.880 --> 01:07:24.239
So I'm not sure exactly, Like
I don't think Amanda Waller kills Checkmate agents

945
01:07:24.239 --> 01:07:28.119
the way she kills Suicide Squad agents, right. I remember looking it up

946
01:07:28.119 --> 01:07:31.280
because I was confused as well.
And on Wikipedia they said Checkmate is a

947
01:07:31.360 --> 01:07:38.599
division of the Suicide Squad. See
I would I would think the opposite would

948
01:07:38.639 --> 01:07:44.000
be true, right, It's like
checkmate is the organization. Suicide Squad is,

949
01:07:44.039 --> 01:07:45.840
Oh, yeah, those criminals we
captured, we're gonna have to do

950
01:07:45.880 --> 01:07:50.639
stuff for us as supposed to the
Task Force X is the parent company.

951
01:07:51.800 --> 01:07:58.079
What's just going in fat But it's
ADS threat to tests because she's like her

952
01:07:58.199 --> 01:08:01.400
alliances are divided, so this is
ADS in there, right. But then

953
01:08:01.519 --> 01:08:06.519
uh, we go back to the
watch shower and Chloe's looking at this earpiece

954
01:08:06.559 --> 01:08:11.599
stuff. And because I guess Clark
again resourceful smart Clark, he X rayed

955
01:08:11.639 --> 01:08:14.320
it. He uses microvision. I
guess it's my power. I'll call it

956
01:08:14.360 --> 01:08:16.880
whatever I want, he says next
season it's kind of liked. But that's

957
01:08:16.880 --> 01:08:24.399
not squire Hares exactly. He must
have read the serial number on the earpiece,

958
01:08:24.920 --> 01:08:27.439
and then Chloe looks it up and
thinks it's from the government. And

959
01:08:27.479 --> 01:08:30.239
then Oliver shows up and makes a
tax of Asian joke, which is funny.

960
01:08:30.640 --> 01:08:31.920
Uh. And again it's just the
jovial all of it. So it's

961
01:08:31.920 --> 01:08:35.760
it's refreshing. If only he had
a goatee, there's some facial hair,

962
01:08:35.840 --> 01:08:39.279
then I'll be like, oh,
I guess and used the bow and arrow.

963
01:08:40.359 --> 01:08:43.399
Yeah, but I don't know having
seen Justin Hartley with the facial hair,

964
01:08:43.399 --> 01:08:45.720
and this is us. It was
a good thing. He just was

965
01:08:45.760 --> 01:08:47.840
clean shaven. Well, it's the
thing like even but even Steven Emel was

966
01:08:47.840 --> 01:08:51.720
always that, like not five o'clock
shadow, more like nine o'clock shadow.

967
01:08:51.800 --> 01:08:56.640
I don't know, g yeah,
just the permanent scruff. But hey,

968
01:08:56.680 --> 01:09:00.760
in season seven he does have kind
of the more bushier you know, beer

969
01:09:00.840 --> 01:09:03.800
because he's in prison and stuff.
But it's we don't need to pit our

970
01:09:04.199 --> 01:09:08.560
heroes against each other, although we
all love to do that. They both

971
01:09:08.600 --> 01:09:12.000
have very strong elements of the comic
book Oliver Queen. Look at all the

972
01:09:12.000 --> 01:09:14.640
different versions of Batman or Superman,
right, So I'm not saying like this

973
01:09:14.760 --> 01:09:17.920
looks clearly better than it's just nice
to see these attributes with the characters show

974
01:09:18.000 --> 01:09:24.600
up here which don't show up in
Narrow That's that's really my point. And

975
01:09:24.600 --> 01:09:26.680
then Chloe and Oliver kind of greet
each other like, oh my god,

976
01:09:26.680 --> 01:09:30.279
they're all gonna get kind of lovey
dovey, and Clark's like, yeah,

977
01:09:30.279 --> 01:09:33.640
I'm glad you're safe too. Was
he feeling like he was missing out?

978
01:09:34.119 --> 01:09:38.840
Yeah? I want to hug what's
going on here? I spent four years

979
01:09:38.880 --> 01:09:41.159
in high school doing this crap.
I have to do it now then,

980
01:09:43.479 --> 01:09:45.720
But then Oliver tells tells him what
happened. You know, it's kind of

981
01:09:45.760 --> 01:09:48.520
nonchalant about it, but he's like, well, yeah it was. You

982
01:09:48.560 --> 01:09:54.199
know, use a lot of pork
references, like he's he was chasing a

983
01:09:54.239 --> 01:10:00.840
pig and now he's a pork chop
or whatever. But then he mentions,

984
01:10:00.880 --> 01:10:03.399
you know, Checkmate. He's like, yeah, somebody from Checkmate tried to

985
01:10:03.399 --> 01:10:09.399
recruit me. And Chloe's like,
what did you say check Because when Sylvester

986
01:10:09.479 --> 01:10:12.199
Pimbleton from the JSA was killed,
his last words to me, we're look

987
01:10:12.199 --> 01:10:18.039
out for check which was in the
previously and uh, this is their clue

988
01:10:18.199 --> 01:10:20.880
of like, oh, these must
be the people that came after them,

989
01:10:20.880 --> 01:10:25.560
and now they're coming after us.
And did you guys alnice this this loose

990
01:10:25.680 --> 01:10:30.319
lips sink ship shoaster. Yeah,
yeah, I saw that Chloe would have

991
01:10:30.359 --> 01:10:33.880
that hanging there to have, you
know, subliminately tell people to not give

992
01:10:33.920 --> 01:10:39.560
away their secrets. The set design
just funny to me. In the Watchtower,

993
01:10:39.600 --> 01:10:42.560
it's just just and you know,
y'all can't see a bit, but

994
01:10:42.720 --> 01:10:46.079
Eric has his his background. Here
is the watchtower itself. I believe you're

995
01:10:46.119 --> 01:10:50.039
right at the spot where Henry James
Olsen was stabbed to death. Memory of

996
01:10:50.640 --> 01:11:00.319
brow went out, So they pull
up the surveillance footage of the you know,

997
01:11:00.640 --> 01:11:03.479
Martian Manners confrontation with that agent.
They're like, oh, man,

998
01:11:03.520 --> 01:11:05.920
what happened here? And they look
up the agent. They do a face

999
01:11:05.920 --> 01:11:10.760
recognition and they're like, oh,
he's a really high executive and they're like,

1000
01:11:10.800 --> 01:11:13.119
well, that's strange. He seems
to be too important to be a

1001
01:11:13.199 --> 01:11:15.560
checkmate guy. And they're like,
well, maybe Checkmate put him there,

1002
01:11:15.720 --> 01:11:18.000
or maybe they're recruiting people important,
and it's probably a combination of both.

1003
01:11:18.279 --> 01:11:23.239
But guess what, he's dead.
And Chloe and Clark are both like,

1004
01:11:23.279 --> 01:11:30.159
well, obviously John Jones killed him. Yeah, this guy's thinking that.

1005
01:11:30.199 --> 01:11:33.680
I think it was pretty uh jumping
the gun there. To be fair,

1006
01:11:33.840 --> 01:11:39.840
Clark has seen him kill somebody.
That's a great point, Brandon. That's

1007
01:11:39.920 --> 01:11:43.159
literally how he met He killed the
Tista, For God's sake, he didn't

1008
01:11:43.199 --> 01:11:46.079
he didn't have heat blast through his
through his chest, So you know,

1009
01:11:46.439 --> 01:11:51.199
he's got a certain am with how
he kills people, right, But Batista

1010
01:11:51.319 --> 01:11:55.399
was a super strong alien. This
guy was just a human, that's true.

1011
01:11:57.119 --> 01:11:59.439
Now they found an oreo on the
body, though that really would have

1012
01:11:59.439 --> 01:12:08.560
been his calling. Just two oreos
over the eyes like the coins. Nice,

1013
01:12:08.600 --> 01:12:12.039
But Clark super speeds off, presumably
to get to the bottom of this,

1014
01:12:12.720 --> 01:12:16.840
and Oliver Employee there from it,
and Employe suggests that Oliver just you

1015
01:12:16.840 --> 01:12:20.880
know, doesn't go on patrol for
a little bit because checkmates on the Green

1016
01:12:20.960 --> 01:12:24.880
Arrow. And she's like, oh, I hang up your tights. He's

1017
01:12:24.920 --> 01:12:28.720
like, they're not tights, which
comes up a couple of times. Amusingly.

1018
01:12:28.800 --> 01:12:33.560
That's again this episode intentional dialogue,
right, That's that's why I like

1019
01:12:33.600 --> 01:12:36.399
it, because you listen to me
talk about this and you're like, is

1020
01:12:36.399 --> 01:12:40.840
he gonna hate this because he hates
apparently Superman references. That's not what it

1021
01:12:40.880 --> 01:12:45.199
is. I hate it when it's
like it's a normal, normal episode and

1022
01:12:45.239 --> 01:12:48.920
then out of nowhere, it's like, well Clark Kent leaps tall theories in

1023
01:12:48.920 --> 01:12:51.720
a single down and I'm like,
what do you what are you doing?

1024
01:12:53.279 --> 01:12:56.439
I have something on that? Oh
please, that's the test. Yeah.

1025
01:12:56.479 --> 01:13:00.680
Yeah. So so my my thoughts
on that was like, maybe the Warrior

1026
01:13:00.800 --> 01:13:04.520
Angel had like a cartoon show and
comic books and all that stuff was said

1027
01:13:04.560 --> 01:13:09.960
about Warrior Angel, eve leap,
tall buildings and say all these things unless

1028
01:13:09.960 --> 01:13:13.079
people are like, oh yeah,
it's kind of like you know, wor

1029
01:13:13.319 --> 01:13:15.800
Rangel without actually saying it. That's
what we needed, Eric, you unlocked,

1030
01:13:15.840 --> 01:13:20.359
and we needed in one of these
Warrangel episodes someone watching a TV and

1031
01:13:20.439 --> 01:13:24.920
them doing the George Reeves Superman intro. But like with Warrior Angel, right,

1032
01:13:25.039 --> 01:13:29.680
strange visitor from another planet's right,
that's my head cannon standing on the

1033
01:13:29.680 --> 01:13:31.359
moon with an American flag behind him
in black and white. That's what we

1034
01:13:31.399 --> 01:13:35.920
needed, So that's we'll go with
that. Well, then you have the

1035
01:13:35.960 --> 01:13:40.079
small little crow mascot as a cape
and I'm like like, what do you

1036
01:13:40.079 --> 01:13:42.359
what are you doing here? But
but but that's no. That's why that's

1037
01:13:42.399 --> 01:13:45.840
why I like the Worra Angel mythology
because obviously there would be superhero characters right

1038
01:13:45.880 --> 01:13:50.079
like they would exist in this world. But Oliver's not going to go on

1039
01:13:50.159 --> 01:13:55.000
patrol or anything. And he's also
not going to follow Chloe. He's gonna

1040
01:13:55.000 --> 01:13:58.119
go look into where Icicle went because
they're like, oh, well, the

1041
01:13:59.319 --> 01:14:02.800
Icicle was involved with the JSA,
maybe there's connection. There's a Kloe's gonna

1042
01:14:02.800 --> 01:14:05.800
go invest and investigate that. And
guess what Oliver's gonna have to go to

1043
01:14:05.840 --> 01:14:10.680
this Luther Corp shareholder dinner. I
guess I guess he wasn't gonna go.

1044
01:14:12.039 --> 01:14:14.560
He was just gonna be grew.
At least Bruce Wayne will show up to

1045
01:14:14.600 --> 01:14:20.000
these things sometimes. Luckily he's close
enough. It's only a three hour drive

1046
01:14:20.039 --> 01:14:25.439
to the shareholder dinner. Well,
I'm sure Oliver Queen has a helicopter,

1047
01:14:26.720 --> 01:14:30.960
that one that's always running on the
top of Luther Corp establishing shot. I

1048
01:14:30.000 --> 01:14:33.079
think that would have aged better if
they just had it not running. Yes,

1049
01:14:33.319 --> 01:14:38.520
yeah, the fact that it's spinning
constantly. Yeah. The Oliver Queen

1050
01:14:38.560 --> 01:14:42.000
man, it's like I guess,
I guess the Luthor Corp brand is strong

1051
01:14:42.279 --> 01:14:45.640
because even though he's merged his company
with Luther Corp, they're keeping the Luther

1052
01:14:45.760 --> 01:14:49.319
Corp brand. Fine, fair enough, I mean, all these mergers work,

1053
01:14:49.800 --> 01:14:55.680
So h HBO Max will now be
known as Max. He's not gonna

1054
01:14:55.680 --> 01:14:59.199
make that mistake. He understands the
value of the HBO brand. So Oliver

1055
01:14:59.279 --> 01:15:00.600
Queen's not gonna call it Max,
is gonna keep calling it Luther Corp.

1056
01:15:00.880 --> 01:15:06.319
So it's a cute like, oh, be careful, oh, because they're

1057
01:15:06.359 --> 01:15:12.600
in love now, right, Okay, you know I've said this before.

1058
01:15:12.640 --> 01:15:14.079
I'm like, oh, I'm glad
cly, you know, with Green Arrow,

1059
01:15:14.079 --> 01:15:15.039
And I'm like, I've kind of
like actually have changed my mind now,

1060
01:15:15.079 --> 01:15:18.319
like because I ship him way more
with tests I discovered from this episode

1061
01:15:18.359 --> 01:15:21.439
and other things like they're just way
better and the last scene proves. But

1062
01:15:21.479 --> 01:15:28.640
anyway, let's continue. So Okay, this shot of Luther Mansion, I

1063
01:15:28.680 --> 01:15:30.439
think it's day for night. I
think they took a day shot and made

1064
01:15:30.479 --> 01:15:33.319
it look night because I don't recall
other than that one shot with a fountain

1065
01:15:33.359 --> 01:15:38.279
in the front of Luther cor Luther
Luther Corp Mansion that one shot of the

1066
01:15:38.319 --> 01:15:40.680
fountain in the front of the Luther
Mansion. I don't think there was ever

1067
01:15:40.680 --> 01:15:42.800
a night shot of Luther Mansion ever, and the show, that's why we

1068
01:15:42.840 --> 01:15:45.800
always saw it again and again.
They did have the one where the windows

1069
01:15:45.960 --> 01:15:50.520
change. Oh, so they had
they had the back shot during the day

1070
01:15:50.600 --> 01:15:54.399
and then it was like a night
shot, but it was all stained glass

1071
01:15:54.399 --> 01:15:57.640
all of a sudden. Okay,
I can send them to you. So

1072
01:15:57.920 --> 01:16:00.439
so I wanted to have like all
the established shots for like wallpapers, that

1073
01:16:00.680 --> 01:16:04.479
kind of cycloge. Yeah, and
that was how I found like this,

1074
01:16:04.880 --> 01:16:09.159
those windows aren't the same. And
that was also how I found the Daily

1075
01:16:09.279 --> 01:16:15.279
Planet. One was a repurposing of
uh, doctor Swan's building the Clark first

1076
01:16:15.319 --> 01:16:18.239
metam Oh yeah, okay, well
yeah this see also Eric, you should

1077
01:16:18.239 --> 01:16:23.359
you should do your own little side
project on the establishing shots and all that

1078
01:16:23.439 --> 01:16:28.119
on your on your newspaper collections of
that area. But they obviously put the

1079
01:16:28.199 --> 01:16:31.159
moon in this shot. And it's
the biggest moon you've ever seen? Am

1080
01:16:31.199 --> 01:16:40.840
I right? Oh yeah? Straight
out of Bruce Almighty. It's like,

1081
01:16:41.000 --> 01:16:44.920
y'all have you have you seen the
moon in the sky before? Like this

1082
01:16:45.239 --> 01:16:53.279
this the the oceans got of control? Is there ever a crescent moon on

1083
01:16:53.359 --> 01:17:00.199
Smallville? Or is it constantly?
That's a good point too, because because

1084
01:17:00.199 --> 01:17:01.800
they've gotta make you real obvious it's
the moon. I don't maybe just that's

1085
01:17:01.840 --> 01:17:04.520
the thing that here's what happened there. They like they do this, like,

1086
01:17:04.560 --> 01:17:08.079
guys, we need we need a
Luther Corp night shot, like we

1087
01:17:08.159 --> 01:17:10.920
always use this one. Let's use
a different one and make it look like

1088
01:17:11.039 --> 01:17:13.479
night and like okay, and then
somebody turn it into like, you know

1089
01:17:13.520 --> 01:17:15.560
that this doesn't look that good.
I know, let's add the mood,

1090
01:17:17.520 --> 01:17:20.640
but make sure people see it.
Yeah, it's like we need to make

1091
01:17:20.680 --> 01:17:27.199
it real obvious. That was the
size of the building itself. I got.

1092
01:17:27.319 --> 01:17:29.319
I will take a screenshot of this
and share it, because again,

1093
01:17:30.279 --> 01:17:31.720
there's there's a lot of a lot
of times like I'll just take a screenshot

1094
01:17:31.720 --> 01:17:34.359
of like oh, here's a promo
picture on somebody's desk, or here's the

1095
01:17:34.640 --> 01:17:39.800
but this is worth. This is
screenshot worthy, I think. So.

1096
01:17:39.920 --> 01:17:42.000
Then Oliver and Tests, you know, they trade some barbs. Again,

1097
01:17:42.039 --> 01:17:47.199
I really like their vibe and their
their chemistry, and especially when I look

1098
01:17:47.239 --> 01:17:50.000
at that and then I look at
like Chloe and Oliver being cute together,

1099
01:17:50.039 --> 01:17:54.520
I'm like, I'm not buying this
at all. Like it's so strange how

1100
01:17:54.600 --> 01:17:57.520
I've like and it has nothing to
do with real world events, all right,

1101
01:17:57.600 --> 01:18:01.359
I'm just saying like it doesn't help
me not But I just I was

1102
01:18:01.439 --> 01:18:04.199
all like I was all about like, you know, I think Oliver has

1103
01:18:04.279 --> 01:18:10.520
chemistry with everybody, but of the
three main love interests of the show,

1104
01:18:10.800 --> 01:18:14.479
Chloe, Tests or Leis, he
has the least chemistry with Chloe. They

1105
01:18:14.520 --> 01:18:16.800
have good professional chemistry, but when
they're all like, hey, be careful,

1106
01:18:17.279 --> 01:18:19.199
you know, because I miss you
or whatever, I'm like, eh,

1107
01:18:19.399 --> 01:18:23.199
whatever, it seems a little forced, right, right. But these

1108
01:18:23.279 --> 01:18:26.319
two Oliver and Tests they have some
sizzle, right, they have some history

1109
01:18:26.359 --> 01:18:30.960
to them, so they're trading some
barbs about this or that, and then

1110
01:18:30.000 --> 01:18:33.920
we get to the Batman Returns part
of it, well, you know,

1111
01:18:33.960 --> 01:18:38.520
because he's like, look, whatever
day you've had mine's and much worse.

1112
01:18:38.600 --> 01:18:41.079
She's like, oh you cavea are
another right temperature, like getting them craft

1113
01:18:41.159 --> 01:18:44.199
or being raised and spoiled because she
thinks he's you know, just a you

1114
01:18:44.279 --> 01:18:48.039
know, a pretty boy, rich
rich guy without any real problems, although

1115
01:18:48.079 --> 01:18:54.079
she knows better because it doesn't matter. So that's funny. And then we

1116
01:18:54.199 --> 01:18:58.279
get the black on black that's hard
to pull off because he's wearing black on

1117
01:18:58.399 --> 01:19:01.279
black and he says it's easier than
you think, and they both have that

1118
01:19:01.840 --> 01:19:06.399
b straight out of Batman Returns.
No missiletoe. It can be deadly if

1119
01:19:06.439 --> 01:19:10.279
you eat it, but a kiss
can be even deadlier if you need it.

1120
01:19:10.359 --> 01:19:13.279
And they're like, do we have
to start fighting now? And then

1121
01:19:13.439 --> 01:19:16.079
that's that's a great that's a great
way to reveal I didn't do each other,

1122
01:19:16.119 --> 01:19:18.640
Like, I really like that,
and I this had to have been

1123
01:19:18.720 --> 01:19:23.640
from Batman Returns Lift, which again
is fine. No other options there,

1124
01:19:24.199 --> 01:19:28.680
I mean in literature cinema, there's
no other reference they could be making,

1125
01:19:28.840 --> 01:19:33.680
right, But she's like green Arrow
And then we cut to the commercial.

1126
01:19:36.119 --> 01:19:41.119
So I I thought that was great, and it's it's it's funny, you

1127
01:19:41.199 --> 01:19:43.199
know, because Tests, You're like, it's a long game with Tests,

1128
01:19:43.199 --> 01:19:45.520
because she shows up, she's like
a villain and then she's like kind of

1129
01:19:45.520 --> 01:19:50.039
a sympathetic but then she's like,
now it's real this season she's in this

1130
01:19:50.079 --> 01:19:55.520
other organization, and like, you
don't they didn't know what to do with

1131
01:19:55.640 --> 01:19:58.159
her, but I really enjoyed Tests
as a character. Or they think,

1132
01:19:58.199 --> 01:20:01.319
Cassidy Freeman, it's fantastic, and
so I'm like, you all the journeys

1133
01:20:01.319 --> 01:20:05.800
to take her on, and now
this this gets her closer to her being

1134
01:20:05.880 --> 01:20:09.600
on the team, so to speak, to get her to where she's hanging

1135
01:20:09.640 --> 01:20:14.279
out of the bachelor party hangover.
So that's the ultimate goal for this character.

1136
01:20:14.359 --> 01:20:17.520
That's that's that's where we're headed.
But not the Red Tornado. No,

1137
01:20:17.720 --> 01:20:21.439
that's you know that's not Cannon.
I know that to me, Brandon,

1138
01:20:21.479 --> 01:20:26.560
do you like to She's eleving combooks? You know, I've never read

1139
01:20:26.600 --> 01:20:30.119
them. I didn't even know they
existed until you talked about them on your

1140
01:20:30.159 --> 01:20:35.479
podcast. So let's see, Forrest, would you recommend them? I mean

1141
01:20:35.600 --> 01:20:41.199
I was in such a you know, place of appreciating a long run of

1142
01:20:41.239 --> 01:20:44.720
a show and also you know,
wishing it would have gone on forever,

1143
01:20:44.880 --> 01:20:49.039
So of course I leaned into the
comics, and they do what the show

1144
01:20:49.079 --> 01:20:53.520
could never have done, right,
Like it's it's very comic book kiy of

1145
01:20:53.560 --> 01:20:57.600
bringing in the new characters, and
of course the suit and everything. I

1146
01:20:57.600 --> 01:21:00.479
would I would recommend them. I
don't know about camp and then I'd have

1147
01:21:00.520 --> 01:21:03.199
to think about it if I'm comfortable
with that, but I would recommend it,

1148
01:21:03.520 --> 01:21:06.560
Eric, Eric, you are you
a fan? So I like the

1149
01:21:06.640 --> 01:21:11.520
suit. I wish the s on
the Cape was gold like like in the

1150
01:21:11.600 --> 01:21:15.560
show, and that's yeah, my
I really like the s on the Cape.

1151
01:21:16.199 --> 01:21:19.920
I thought Batman was kind of fun, but yeah, the overall story,

1152
01:21:21.960 --> 01:21:25.760
yeah, I can't say i'd recommend
that, but it was fun seeing

1153
01:21:25.800 --> 01:21:29.279
him in the suit. Obviously you
should read it. Brandon, of course

1154
01:21:31.239 --> 01:21:36.039
when they started kind of phoning in
the artwork. Yeah, when he stopped

1155
01:21:36.079 --> 01:21:40.119
looking like Tom Welling, I'm like, what's the point? Yeah, you

1156
01:21:40.199 --> 01:21:43.119
know, like that's that's that's my
thing. Also, I will say for

1157
01:21:43.159 --> 01:21:45.399
Batman, I like the idea and
we're not really spoiling thinking free Brandon,

1158
01:21:45.520 --> 01:21:50.880
but like the grease paint, the
face pain Batman like a special Ops guy.

1159
01:21:50.920 --> 01:21:55.079
I'm like, that makes a lot
of sense, and I've never seen

1160
01:21:55.079 --> 01:21:58.680
another version of Batman do that.
They can't even get the I makeup right

1161
01:21:59.239 --> 01:22:01.039
you live action much let's face paint. But I thought that's a real cool

1162
01:22:01.039 --> 01:22:05.399
way to kind of truly stay in
the shadows. But anyway, check him

1163
01:22:05.399 --> 01:22:13.079
out Small Little Season eleven. So
yes, they test is in those and

1164
01:22:13.159 --> 01:22:16.279
that's where that comment and thoughts came
from. How did she appear in them?

1165
01:22:17.079 --> 01:22:19.840
You'll have to find out for yourself, because I don't spoil things on

1166
01:22:19.920 --> 01:22:26.079
this podcast, as you guys know
clearly, I think I think we're up

1167
01:22:26.119 --> 01:22:30.920
to eighty four mentions of the series
finale that I'm not sure we can claim

1168
01:22:31.000 --> 01:22:33.479
that. Listen, the series reality
is spoiled in like the the Funk Coat

1169
01:22:33.560 --> 01:22:36.319
Pop and the Blu Ray box sets, give me a give them a break

1170
01:22:36.399 --> 01:22:43.119
there, right, So we come
back for commercial and Clark is at the

1171
01:22:43.600 --> 01:22:45.600
at the morgue. Now is it
a hospital visit? If he if he's

1172
01:22:45.640 --> 01:22:49.600
there to look at a dead body
because they took the guy to the hospital

1173
01:22:49.640 --> 01:22:53.560
that he was dead. What do
you guys think, Uh, he's not

1174
01:22:53.640 --> 01:22:57.119
a patient. I say yes,
just because I want that number to get

1175
01:22:57.199 --> 01:23:00.600
up to two hundred. So we
get we gotta maybe from Brandon. Yes,

1176
01:23:00.680 --> 01:23:03.119
and Eric, what do you think
for us? I mean, it

1177
01:23:03.239 --> 01:23:06.439
is a visit. Well, see, that's the thing. But but but

1178
01:23:06.560 --> 01:23:10.720
but I don't make it where they
go to the hospital, like to go

1179
01:23:10.880 --> 01:23:15.159
talk to doctor Emil for example.
I don't think it is. But I

1180
01:23:15.600 --> 01:23:19.000
am fully on board with Eric about
getting the number up. I think you

1181
01:23:19.079 --> 01:23:25.159
gotta see patients in beds. I
think that's fair. Brandon, I think,

1182
01:23:25.239 --> 01:23:27.840
I think I I my heart tells
me what you guys are saying,

1183
01:23:27.880 --> 01:23:30.439
but my head tells me what Brandon
is saying. So we got we gotta

1184
01:23:30.479 --> 01:23:33.640
we gotta say no. We we
got we gotta say no on this one.

1185
01:23:33.680 --> 01:23:44.239
And so he's a he's at the
morgue and he finds a chess piece,

1186
01:23:45.159 --> 01:23:49.039
and he says, yes, of
course, And I'm like, that's

1187
01:23:49.119 --> 01:23:54.760
the only only explanation on that.
I don't someone explained this to me.

1188
01:23:56.079 --> 01:24:00.640
Maybe I wrote the same question.
Maybe he's been to her office and seeing

1189
01:24:00.720 --> 01:24:04.000
she has that exact same custom made
chess board, that exact same black and

1190
01:24:04.039 --> 01:24:09.800
white chess board. Heard there's none
other he's ever seen in all his travels.

1191
01:24:10.960 --> 01:24:15.000
But speaking of chessboards, did you
you know Lionel had a three layer

1192
01:24:15.119 --> 01:24:17.840
chess board in earlier seasons? Oh? Yeah, big time. I was

1193
01:24:17.920 --> 01:24:20.560
like, oh, star Trek.
I've always wanted to learn three D chess

1194
01:24:20.640 --> 01:24:24.760
because of Star Trek. I have
it right here. I could teach you

1195
01:24:24.880 --> 01:24:27.159
sometimes. Oh all right, well
we got to make it happen. Man.

1196
01:24:27.159 --> 01:24:29.319
I've always thought, if nothing else, I want to buy it and

1197
01:24:29.560 --> 01:24:31.920
put it in somewhere in my house. Will look really sophisticated. So who

1198
01:24:31.960 --> 01:24:36.680
plays chess here? For real?
I'm terrible at it. Probably the worst

1199
01:24:36.800 --> 01:24:41.279
chess player in the history of the
world. Okay, my my father in

1200
01:24:41.399 --> 01:24:44.680
law is a ranked player, So
dude, my father in law love chess

1201
01:24:44.760 --> 01:24:48.079
too. Yes, he has some
book like how to Play Chess for Duby's

1202
01:24:48.479 --> 01:24:53.199
that he gave me once speak.
So when when I started doing, my

1203
01:24:53.239 --> 01:24:57.000
wife, she's making the chess because
her dad is right, and so she

1204
01:24:57.159 --> 01:25:00.680
beat me like every time. And
it was not like legit, like let

1205
01:25:00.720 --> 01:25:03.079
me litter win because I want this
girl I started dating to like him.

1206
01:25:03.199 --> 01:25:06.560
I was a legit trying. But
because I've been playing since I was a

1207
01:25:06.640 --> 01:25:10.000
kid that my dad taught me chess, I was in chess club for a

1208
01:25:10.000 --> 01:25:13.840
little bit. I enjoy playing it. You know, I used to play

1209
01:25:13.840 --> 01:25:17.119
a lot of computer chess back in
the day. I like chess, and

1210
01:25:17.199 --> 01:25:19.520
it's a real different vibe though,
when you're playing like a computer or whatever

1211
01:25:19.560 --> 01:25:24.399
and then you're playing like a real
person. Although I remember when I was

1212
01:25:24.479 --> 01:25:29.359
a kid, we had a it
was a game called Battle Chess. It

1213
01:25:29.479 --> 01:25:31.560
was like the most badass chess game
ever. And it's like like you have

1214
01:25:31.760 --> 01:25:36.800
nights and monsters. Yeah, it
was like that that Marines commercial where he's

1215
01:25:36.800 --> 01:25:39.920
fighting a lava monster, Like that's
kind of what of his like right,

1216
01:25:40.000 --> 01:25:43.039
like a rook. And anyway,
I like chess, so maybe that's another

1217
01:25:43.039 --> 01:25:47.279
reason I kind of inclined to these
episodes. But anyway, I recommend I

1218
01:25:47.359 --> 01:25:50.920
recommend chess. It's a nice it's
cool to just like you know, and

1219
01:25:51.079 --> 01:25:55.479
this is we're so plugged in everything, right, turn off your screens and

1220
01:25:56.239 --> 01:25:59.399
and just turn off the Wi Fi
and go sit down there with somebody and

1221
01:25:59.640 --> 01:26:04.000
play it. Lay a nice rounded
chess. So anyway, now, if

1222
01:26:04.000 --> 01:26:06.960
there were a Smavel chess set,
of course i'd buy that too. Mm

1223
01:26:08.000 --> 01:26:14.560
hmm. You have Clark and Lois. There's the King and Queen. Uh,

1224
01:26:15.319 --> 01:26:17.640
let's seea on the other side,
Malexcelon on the other side. Very

1225
01:26:17.680 --> 01:26:28.239
good. It just be the Bishop
Oliver the Night. It's it's easier to

1226
01:26:28.319 --> 01:26:33.800
do ponds on Lexus side because you
got Roger Nixon. Doctor. You want

1227
01:26:33.800 --> 01:26:36.800
to you want to do individual ponds. That's like most of these most of

1228
01:26:36.800 --> 01:26:40.640
these specialized chess sets, they don't
have the ponds are just like one thing,

1229
01:26:40.800 --> 01:26:43.720
right, Like when I say,
like a Jurassic Park chess set,

1230
01:26:43.760 --> 01:26:48.520
it's like the velociraptors are all so
you could just do the worst freaks of

1231
01:26:48.560 --> 01:26:58.279
the week. Yeah, because then
oh man Sean who should have been Icicle?

1232
01:26:59.119 --> 01:27:00.079
Yeah right, that's the thing right
there. They're like, oh,

1233
01:27:00.119 --> 01:27:02.439
this is inspired by Oh no,
we're here now we're going to do that

1234
01:27:02.479 --> 01:27:11.279
one. Yeah. I don't know
that'd be fun. Lie would probably be

1235
01:27:11.359 --> 01:27:15.199
the king, Lionel will be the
king, and then I guess you could

1236
01:27:15.239 --> 01:27:20.239
have Test be the queen. Over
there, you might do Jonathan and Martha

1237
01:27:20.319 --> 01:27:24.399
as the Rooks. Oh, you
should have Martha be the queen. Oh,

1238
01:27:24.479 --> 01:27:27.560
the red Queen, the red Queen. I mean, not display anything,

1239
01:27:27.680 --> 01:27:30.279
but yeah, there's a new player
on the board, okay, anywhere

1240
01:27:30.279 --> 01:27:33.760
and always black and white, small
little chess sets, y'all. I'm sure

1241
01:27:33.840 --> 01:27:39.760
someone out there has probably made one
anyway, but all have to say,

1242
01:27:41.039 --> 01:27:43.720
I would love to learn how play
each is it? Is it that different?

1243
01:27:44.039 --> 01:27:46.399
Eric? If you look at it
from the top, it's chess,

1244
01:27:46.720 --> 01:27:51.600
But then you're missing the outside rose. And that's what those movable ones are

1245
01:27:51.640 --> 01:27:56.680
for, is to fill in that
missing one. But you can choose because

1246
01:27:56.680 --> 01:28:00.479
they overlap, you can choose to
stay on just the one boarder you can

1247
01:28:00.520 --> 01:28:03.039
move up. But other than that, like, if you look at it

1248
01:28:03.079 --> 01:28:05.760
from the top, it's the same
game. Got you well, the way

1249
01:28:05.760 --> 01:28:10.199
they always do it on Star Trek. It's like night to Queen's Level three

1250
01:28:10.239 --> 01:28:14.439
And like that sounds really intimidating,
Like this sounds yeah, it's chess,

1251
01:28:14.960 --> 01:28:17.840
all right, all right? Anyway, chess everyone, we recommend it.

1252
01:28:18.039 --> 01:28:26.239
So where were we? So yes, so so Clark he's a chess piece

1253
01:28:26.319 --> 01:28:31.279
and knows that it's that it's tests
and he x rays her office and sees

1254
01:28:31.319 --> 01:28:33.880
the whole like we're talking about the
whole, you know, men in black

1255
01:28:33.920 --> 01:28:36.359
or whatever you want to call it, like just just guns and knives and

1256
01:28:36.960 --> 01:28:40.560
behind all these walls. I don't
know when she installed this. I guess

1257
01:28:40.560 --> 01:28:43.520
she added this after she took over
early office to Lex didn't have that there.

1258
01:28:46.680 --> 01:28:50.960
Let me cut to the Checkmate castle, another beautiful establishing shot, and

1259
01:28:51.399 --> 01:28:56.840
uh, Marshall menhunter is there,
and he's there to to steal back the

1260
01:28:56.920 --> 01:29:00.720
Candorian blood. I mean, I'm
sure they've gotten what they needed from the

1261
01:29:00.760 --> 01:29:04.000
blood by now though, right,
No, they just have it on display,

1262
01:29:04.319 --> 01:29:09.319
nothing else. Just like there's no
computer backups of video footage ever.

1263
01:29:09.640 --> 01:29:13.520
You know, once you once you
erase somebody's mind. Oh yeah, you're

1264
01:29:13.600 --> 01:29:16.319
you're good, that's right. I
guess I guess they erased all the cameras

1265
01:29:16.359 --> 01:29:20.319
too. That's a little yeah.
Yeah. But Waller once again appears in

1266
01:29:20.359 --> 01:29:27.000
silhouette, and uh, I think
this is a really good conversation between her

1267
01:29:27.079 --> 01:29:30.800
and Martian Renhunter because she's talking about
prepping for a war and he's like,

1268
01:29:30.840 --> 01:29:33.600
you're only seeing that because you're coming
from a place of fear. They don't

1269
01:29:33.680 --> 01:29:39.560
need you harm and she's like,
no, we were studying fear is important.

1270
01:29:40.239 --> 01:29:45.359
It also can be insightful into someone's
phobias. And then this firewall comes

1271
01:29:45.439 --> 01:29:49.039
up around Martian Renhunter and she's like, hmmm, a police officer who never

1272
01:29:49.159 --> 01:29:54.600
goes near fire. I'm like,
well, technically it's a firefighters job.

1273
01:29:55.399 --> 01:30:00.960
But is she confusing a policeman with
a firefighter. Yeah, it's also really

1274
01:30:01.000 --> 01:30:05.239
good that John was standing in that
exact place on the floor. Yeah.

1275
01:30:05.239 --> 01:30:10.359
I thought about that too. Like
again, it's all added in posts,

1276
01:30:10.399 --> 01:30:14.000
so they didn't want to build like
a like it would be cool to see

1277
01:30:14.000 --> 01:30:15.239
like a cage drop down or something, right, but like we have the

1278
01:30:15.279 --> 01:30:17.680
money for that, so it's like
we'll just add a little circle. And

1279
01:30:18.880 --> 01:30:25.520
I'm sure that it's fine. But
this is this shows the strategy. I

1280
01:30:25.560 --> 01:30:30.840
mean, it's all about checkmate chess
strategy, right they move, Yeah,

1281
01:30:30.880 --> 01:30:38.479
that's it's on the chess pieces on
the floor, guys, But no,

1282
01:30:38.640 --> 01:30:41.439
it shows you that they operate the
intelli. These are intelligent villains. They're

1283
01:30:41.479 --> 01:30:45.840
like they've studied their opponents. They're
like, well, I'm pretty sure this

1284
01:30:45.000 --> 01:30:49.279
guy has a version of fire.
And it reminds me of have you guys

1285
01:30:49.359 --> 01:30:56.159
read or seen the New Frontier Combooker
movie when Batman's talking to Martian Manhunter and

1286
01:30:56.239 --> 01:31:00.039
he's like, cost me a million
dollars to get a slever of rock to

1287
01:31:00.039 --> 01:31:02.920
stop that one of Metropolis, But
you a pity for a matchbook is all

1288
01:31:02.920 --> 01:31:09.079
I need. I'm like, yeah, Batman's so I don't like I like

1289
01:31:09.159 --> 01:31:13.439
the I mean Marshal manner, as
we especially see in this episode super overpowered,

1290
01:31:13.960 --> 01:31:16.920
So you need something as simple as
fire to kind of neutralize. So

1291
01:31:17.520 --> 01:31:21.600
that's that's good weaknesses for heroes.
Yeah, but with the way that that's

1292
01:31:21.760 --> 01:31:30.479
just up on the sides and like
he can fly right, just can he

1293
01:31:30.560 --> 01:31:34.880
clear that in his headroom? I
don't know, but that's pretty badass,

1294
01:31:35.000 --> 01:31:38.319
like capturing him like that, Like
I was like, this is this is

1295
01:31:38.439 --> 01:31:42.359
legit. Like with Checkmate, they've
really proved themselves to be capable other than

1296
01:31:42.439 --> 01:31:44.960
letting Green Arrow escape. But we're
gonna put that one on tests because she's

1297
01:31:45.039 --> 01:31:51.399
rusty. I want to say on
the on the point of like the enemies

1298
01:31:51.439 --> 01:31:56.159
are being really informed and doing their
homework. I mean, I think that

1299
01:31:56.239 --> 01:32:00.880
speaks to a really nice sophistication of
the show and made that goes without saying.

1300
01:32:00.920 --> 01:32:03.520
But when you start off and it's
just sort of one off people with

1301
01:32:03.720 --> 01:32:06.239
you know, unique powers, and
you take care of them in an episode

1302
01:32:06.319 --> 01:32:11.399
or two, and then now really
in this adult phase of it's not the

1303
01:32:11.479 --> 01:32:15.039
playground, it's not high school anymore. It's really this intense thing where the

1304
01:32:15.119 --> 01:32:19.079
strategies you may have relied on in
the past are not it anymore. Or

1305
01:32:19.119 --> 01:32:24.760
it's not just about brute strength,
like the system and the organizations as the

1306
01:32:24.920 --> 01:32:28.800
enemies and not just the individual players. No, that's a fantastic point,

1307
01:32:28.800 --> 01:32:30.039
I mean, and that's that's more
like the real world too, right,

1308
01:32:30.079 --> 01:32:33.039
We're not we're not out there fighting
like I mean, you know you are,

1309
01:32:33.159 --> 01:32:36.319
but like you know that when you
fight like institutions, that that's what's

1310
01:32:36.319 --> 01:32:42.039
so interesting about to me, Like
Luthor's Superman and the Prime Superman screer of

1311
01:32:42.119 --> 01:32:45.079
like he's fighting like the mad and
the establishment or whatever right way more,

1312
01:32:45.119 --> 01:32:48.319
that's when people like what Suman is
any challenges, I'm like, no,

1313
01:32:48.439 --> 01:32:55.479
he's got to fight like like public
opinion and red tape and corporate America like

1314
01:32:55.600 --> 01:32:59.640
those are those are tough enemies.
And yeah, that's definitely a sophistication of

1315
01:32:59.720 --> 01:33:03.399
others. It's a good call there
for us. So uh another, hey,

1316
01:33:03.439 --> 01:33:06.000
look, another sophistication of the show. I'll say this Coly goes to

1317
01:33:06.039 --> 01:33:10.079
the hospital going through the charts to
some doctor. He's like, excuse me,

1318
01:33:10.159 --> 01:33:13.439
those are my charts. She's like, yeah, yeah, sure,

1319
01:33:13.920 --> 01:33:17.039
if that's your real name. That
that was a Stranger Thing's reference, right

1320
01:33:17.199 --> 01:33:23.439
because clearly doctor Brenner, Wow,
I didn't even catch that. So someone

1321
01:33:23.479 --> 01:33:26.760
on Stranger Things was a big,
small event, clearly, clearly, clearly.

1322
01:33:27.760 --> 01:33:30.640
So she's like, yeah, I'm
moving for one of your patients you

1323
01:33:30.720 --> 01:33:33.159
signed off on to go to Bell
Reeve. But apparently never mike that look

1324
01:33:33.199 --> 01:33:35.159
of for icycle they say his real
name here, which I don't know if

1325
01:33:35.159 --> 01:33:42.399
they were said actually in the absolutely
just this episode. But so he's like

1326
01:33:42.479 --> 01:33:46.159
real like mean to her. But
then she starts doing a Batman Owne clone

1327
01:33:46.199 --> 01:33:51.760
thing from BBS. But this guy, he's got a counter scam right again,

1328
01:33:51.880 --> 01:33:56.079
These these guys know what they're doing. Like he's like, oh uh,

1329
01:33:56.479 --> 01:33:59.279
you know, phone scan detected,
so he like sees that she's doing

1330
01:33:59.359 --> 01:34:00.520
that, so changes is too.
He's like, oh, you know what,

1331
01:34:01.560 --> 01:34:03.800
it's had kind of a long day
because she's being rude. Let me

1332
01:34:03.880 --> 01:34:06.399
walk you down there and we can
find this out together. And you're like,

1333
01:34:06.439 --> 01:34:10.960
oh, Chloe's about to get Now. It's a good tease because like,

1334
01:34:10.960 --> 01:34:13.439
oh they cloys about to be in
trouble, but then to just because

1335
01:34:13.479 --> 01:34:15.960
it's Smallville and we have to be
as specific as possible. When they walk

1336
01:34:16.039 --> 01:34:20.039
off, you gotta like zoom in
on his chess piece. He's got like,

1337
01:34:20.199 --> 01:34:26.399
yeah, I kind of figured out
he was on Checkmate. I guess

1338
01:34:26.479 --> 01:34:29.399
as much, but thanks for letting
me know for sure. But how many

1339
01:34:29.439 --> 01:34:31.319
scenes in Smallville do we see like
Chloe goes in and does a little thing

1340
01:34:31.399 --> 01:34:33.159
and gets what she needs and that's
it. But I'm like, no,

1341
01:34:33.199 --> 01:34:36.199
no, no, the real world
is much more complicated than that. And

1342
01:34:36.479 --> 01:34:41.039
I really like how they got we
have people everywhere. It's quantum of solace.

1343
01:34:42.119 --> 01:34:46.399
That's what Checkmate is, right,
So yeah, they're highly sophisticated,

1344
01:34:47.000 --> 01:34:53.680
but they're leaving evidence everywhere. Well, nobody's perfect. Yeah, if they

1345
01:34:53.720 --> 01:34:57.039
didn't have this obsession with chess,
there'd be a lot they get a lot

1346
01:34:57.119 --> 01:35:00.880
more done under the table because that
you're right, because all the pieces literally

1347
01:35:00.920 --> 01:35:06.079
the pieces chess pieces they're putting together, the pieces Clark and all these people

1348
01:35:06.119 --> 01:35:10.800
are seeing these things. Hey real, real quick about chess pieces again,

1349
01:35:10.800 --> 01:35:13.680
because this this is the episode.
Have you guys seen the take in movies?

1350
01:35:15.199 --> 01:35:17.159
Yeah? All right, so Taken
three. I really like Forest Whitaker,

1351
01:35:17.960 --> 01:35:21.319
although he's the worst host of the
Twilight Zone, I would do like

1352
01:35:21.439 --> 01:35:25.920
I do like Forest Whittaker. He
is like that this police detective and Taking

1353
01:35:25.960 --> 01:35:30.600
three and they thought we'll give him
a tick, and they thought, no,

1354
01:35:30.720 --> 01:35:32.640
no, no, let's give him
two ticks. So he's playing with

1355
01:35:32.680 --> 01:35:36.600
a rubber band the whole movie.
But he also has a chess pieces cares

1356
01:35:36.680 --> 01:35:40.960
around the whole tide. I'm like, what do you what do you remember,

1357
01:35:41.079 --> 01:35:45.319
checkmate? Taking three is not good. It's unfortunate because I really like

1358
01:35:45.399 --> 01:35:48.520
the first take. It is fantastic. Taken two, I'm like, well,

1359
01:35:49.279 --> 01:35:53.640
that's a movie that never needed a
sequel, but actually for what it

1360
01:35:53.720 --> 01:35:55.479
was, I'm like, okay,
it makes sense. Revenge of all the

1361
01:35:55.520 --> 01:35:57.960
people that leave us and killed him
in the first one. The third one

1362
01:35:58.000 --> 01:36:00.640
really pushes the credibility. Also,
they kill off mk Jansen, which I

1363
01:36:00.680 --> 01:36:09.239
don't like spoilers, and they recast
they recast Standard Berkeley with Dungray Scott,

1364
01:36:10.800 --> 01:36:14.359
the almost Wolverine. But I was
making this impossible to what an amazing altered

1365
01:36:14.439 --> 01:36:19.840
universe that would have been, you
know, Batwoman's dad. It's just like,

1366
01:36:20.640 --> 01:36:24.079
because the whole thing about the first
take, I'm sorry, was tangier.

1367
01:36:24.119 --> 01:36:26.000
But the whole thing about the first
taken was like, oh, yeah,

1368
01:36:26.039 --> 01:36:28.239
you have this kind of dick stepdad
character. But he's not like a

1369
01:36:28.359 --> 01:36:30.359
bad guy villain. He's just a
dude, right. But the third one

1370
01:36:30.439 --> 01:36:32.399
was like, oh yeah, he's
a villain and he killed his ex wife

1371
01:36:32.399 --> 01:36:35.399
and I'm like, come on,
man, Although Liam, he'sroon driving a

1372
01:36:35.520 --> 01:36:41.680
car into a plane. It was
pretty badass. Yes, I owe it

1373
01:36:41.680 --> 01:36:46.199
all those on Blue Ray. Anyway, that's where we went forst Whitaker's tossing

1374
01:36:46.239 --> 01:36:48.600
around a night. For some reason, the whole movie it's like, Okay,

1375
01:36:48.720 --> 01:36:53.760
you're a quirky detective guy. So
well, it does remind me a

1376
01:36:53.760 --> 01:37:00.199
little bit of Home Alone, when
Marv is like every good bandit has every

1377
01:37:00.279 --> 01:37:03.319
every good thief has their gimmick.
We are the Wet Bandits. So he

1378
01:37:03.399 --> 01:37:10.600
floods every house he's in. Hey, you want to have a good moniker

1379
01:37:10.680 --> 01:37:13.119
like that, because if you don't, who knows what they're gonna call you.

1380
01:37:13.399 --> 01:37:20.319
So so then Test pulls Oliver into
like the bedroom there and uh,

1381
01:37:20.359 --> 01:37:23.399
you know he has he has a
line about this. I had to drag

1382
01:37:23.479 --> 01:37:26.760
me back into here. Huh And
uh she says, the best thing I

1383
01:37:26.840 --> 01:37:29.640
ever did in this bed was kick
you out of it. It's like damn

1384
01:37:30.079 --> 01:37:34.279
again, Like I love their inner
play, like this is this is good

1385
01:37:34.319 --> 01:37:40.079
stuff with the two of them,
and uh, they talk about him being

1386
01:37:40.119 --> 01:37:43.600
the green arrow and she mentions tights
and he's like, they're not tights.

1387
01:37:43.600 --> 01:37:45.119
They're not tights. Like he's really
defensive about it. They look like,

1388
01:37:45.720 --> 01:37:48.680
yeah, I don't think they look
like it, but sure, well it

1389
01:37:48.760 --> 01:37:54.520
works for the for the one of
the most quoted lines ever, at least

1390
01:37:54.560 --> 01:37:57.279
for me in my life is like
the Joker from Batman and he's like he's

1391
01:37:57.279 --> 01:38:00.680
at home washing his tights. Like
I don't think Batman wear was tights in

1392
01:38:00.760 --> 01:38:04.319
those movies. But that's where we
are, right But you know, alis

1393
01:38:04.359 --> 01:38:08.920
like you're you're here keeping more secrets
than LEC's ever had and you know what's

1394
01:38:08.960 --> 01:38:11.720
you know? And then she starts
just throwing stuff at him, like a

1395
01:38:11.840 --> 01:38:18.239
vase and a night like this isn't
a cartoon, which they're about to go

1396
01:38:18.359 --> 01:38:20.680
like full mister and missus Smith I
think on each other here, right,

1397
01:38:24.680 --> 01:38:28.560
But then Clark shows up. He's
like, stop both of you, and

1398
01:38:29.279 --> 01:38:31.720
I guess he searched ever for tests
and this where he shows up in full

1399
01:38:31.760 --> 01:38:35.079
blur attire and he's like, you're
gonna tell me everything you know about check

1400
01:38:35.119 --> 01:38:38.239
me. She's like, I'm not
gonna tell you anything, and he's like,

1401
01:38:38.359 --> 01:38:42.439
maybe maybe a different view will change
your opinion, and he goes full

1402
01:38:42.520 --> 01:38:46.000
Batman on her, holds her over
a building. Now some would say this

1403
01:38:46.079 --> 01:38:49.760
isn't very Superman. I would say
this is like Golden age Superman. I

1404
01:38:49.840 --> 01:38:51.680
kind of like it when he's a
little bit of bad ask because look,

1405
01:38:53.119 --> 01:38:58.239
he's not gonna drop her catch her, right, so like he's in complete

1406
01:38:59.079 --> 01:39:04.039
Honestly, it's probably he's safer for
Supermanager this than Batman. But like Brandon,

1407
01:39:04.079 --> 01:39:09.399
did this bother you to see him
taking such extreme interrogation methods. Well,

1408
01:39:09.439 --> 01:39:14.840
I wrote my notes Clark with the
Batman move. He's wearing all black,

1409
01:39:15.159 --> 01:39:21.319
he's kind of in his Batman era. I do, I do question

1410
01:39:21.520 --> 01:39:26.479
the safety of it, because it
would be safe for a fully fledged Superman.

1411
01:39:26.560 --> 01:39:30.760
But he still can't fly, so
if he drops her, it's not

1412
01:39:30.840 --> 01:39:33.840
like you just fly down and catch
her. He'll just jump down like it

1413
01:39:33.880 --> 01:39:39.960
did with Lana. Land on a
car. Yeah, the fings is the

1414
01:39:40.039 --> 01:39:44.600
physics of that doesn't exactly work.
Okay, So so it's Batman from the

1415
01:39:44.720 --> 01:39:47.439
Dark Knight Catches are in lands on
the car. I'm counting on it.

1416
01:39:50.279 --> 01:39:54.479
I will say I'm gonna go on
record and say that I'm not a real

1417
01:39:54.600 --> 01:40:00.720
fan of Clark being this drastic,
but I'm gonna introduce it different angle,

1418
01:40:00.760 --> 01:40:04.159
which is we were just in the
mansion in Smallville, and we came all

1419
01:40:04.239 --> 01:40:11.760
the way to threaten tests on top
of the I think the watchtower, so

1420
01:40:12.560 --> 01:40:15.159
it's out of the watch shower of
the building they're always at that he fights

1421
01:40:15.439 --> 01:40:20.119
at. And yeah, so could
you have just helded tests on top of

1422
01:40:20.239 --> 01:40:23.760
the mansion. We don't have that. Actually, I would say we don't

1423
01:40:23.760 --> 01:40:26.760
have that set, but we do
have that set. We have the balcony

1424
01:40:26.800 --> 01:40:29.960
set of the mansion. Yeah,
Chloe felt from that ones and yeah,

1425
01:40:30.119 --> 01:40:33.520
yeah, it was just a little
far to travel for it. But you

1426
01:40:33.560 --> 01:40:38.600
got to pick a higher spot,
like the Dark Knight. I suppose Chloe's

1427
01:40:38.640 --> 01:40:41.560
falling out of the mansion and not
died. He knows that's not a real

1428
01:40:41.640 --> 01:40:45.239
threat to Test, true point,
So she tells him she's like, okay,

1429
01:40:45.760 --> 01:40:48.119
Well, one month after she started
working in Luther Corp. She was

1430
01:40:48.159 --> 01:40:55.640
approached by the White Queen, and
that's Waller's code name. I respect him

1431
01:40:55.640 --> 01:40:58.560
not making her the Black Queen.
I don't know if that's be a little

1432
01:40:58.560 --> 01:41:01.960
more on point. I don't just
interesting that they chose that. I'm just

1433
01:41:02.079 --> 01:41:08.399
let's move on. But uh uh, Tests didn't really know like what their

1434
01:41:08.439 --> 01:41:11.239
angles were they wanted she went to
like secrets about Luther Corp. I gotta

1435
01:41:11.239 --> 01:41:13.840
look at the timeline on this,
like like when she started to quote unquote

1436
01:41:13.840 --> 01:41:15.800
work at Luther Corp. Because again, she never knew that she was Test's

1437
01:41:15.920 --> 01:41:19.399
uh, she never knew that she
was likes a sister, So interesting stuff.

1438
01:41:19.399 --> 01:41:24.239
It makes sense that they want someone
on the inside of Luther Corp.

1439
01:41:24.319 --> 01:41:28.560
Right, you got to have your
players everywhere, right, you got to

1440
01:41:28.600 --> 01:41:32.600
get all your pawns everybody. But
the question is how many of each do

1441
01:41:32.680 --> 01:41:36.319
they have? Is there just one
of each? Or do they have you

1442
01:41:36.399 --> 01:41:42.640
know, infinite and hundreds of whatever. Oh, you're thinking that the chessboard

1443
01:41:42.680 --> 01:41:47.319
equates to one check Maybe maybe now
that would be be very limited, but

1444
01:41:47.359 --> 01:41:50.800
I'd be on par for small Vale
standards. Everything's small scale, right.

1445
01:41:54.479 --> 01:41:58.640
I do appreciate that Tests is involved
in this sort of on her own,

1446
01:41:58.840 --> 01:42:02.680
given how much she inherited from from
Lex, and with such a replacement for

1447
01:42:02.760 --> 01:42:05.840
that, like, I appreciate that
this is not a carryover, but it

1448
01:42:05.920 --> 01:42:12.720
also makes me curious when Lex comes
back what what he finds out about these

1449
01:42:12.800 --> 01:42:15.800
organizations or maybe what he knew all
along that that we never found out about

1450
01:42:15.800 --> 01:42:21.720
as you know the viewers, but
comes back he knows way too much and

1451
01:42:21.840 --> 01:42:26.600
then obviously the end he knows nothing. So but you know, in the

1452
01:42:26.640 --> 01:42:29.439
comics and Inustice League, the Lex
Luthor and Amanda Waller, you know,

1453
01:42:30.119 --> 01:42:32.880
you know they're they're connected, So
yeah, that that would have been We'll

1454
01:42:32.920 --> 01:42:36.439
love to see someone that on.
But she tells Clark that he didn't tell

1455
01:42:36.520 --> 01:42:42.680
Checkmate about him or the Candorians,
and Oliver wasn't even the target. It

1456
01:42:42.880 --> 01:42:49.640
was something called Watchtower. Cut to
Chloe being kidnapped and now she's at Checkmate

1457
01:42:49.920 --> 01:42:57.079
h Q. So tess it goes
to Oliver after this, and she's upset,

1458
01:42:57.159 --> 01:43:00.000
and he's like, what the hell
do you want? Oliver, wouldn't

1459
01:43:00.000 --> 01:43:01.079
you can be a little proactive right
now, like you're just chilling your office.

1460
01:43:01.079 --> 01:43:03.439
I'm not sure what I again,
he went three hours to his office.

1461
01:43:04.319 --> 01:43:08.199
I guess he took that. He
took the helicopter back. But she

1462
01:43:08.279 --> 01:43:13.279
tells him that that the Clark made
her tell him where Checkmate tench quarter is,

1463
01:43:13.279 --> 01:43:16.960
so Clark is in trouble. And
uh. Also that the reason that

1464
01:43:17.039 --> 01:43:24.800
he forced Tests to tell him were
Checkmate tench quarter was because she told him

1465
01:43:24.800 --> 01:43:30.840
about them having Watchtower. So obviously
Oliver knows who that is. So we

1466
01:43:30.960 --> 01:43:31.960
kind of leave this here, and
I kind of like forgot about the scene

1467
01:43:32.039 --> 01:43:34.680
to the end. I thought Marshall
Manhunter did the power outage, but I

1468
01:43:34.720 --> 01:43:38.239
guess it was Green Arrow. But
but we'll get there in the second.

1469
01:43:39.479 --> 01:43:42.439
But again, like I love the
interplay between Tests and Oliver, Like these

1470
01:43:42.439 --> 01:43:44.960
are one of the smartest things they
did. I've said it many times,

1471
01:43:45.039 --> 01:43:47.920
was connecting her to his past and
kind of they they like helped legitimize quote

1472
01:43:48.000 --> 01:43:50.439
unquote each other in the world of
Smallville. Like it just it works really

1473
01:43:50.479 --> 01:43:53.239
well. And the you know,
a couple of great actors with some great

1474
01:43:53.279 --> 01:43:56.279
chemistry, so all their stuff together
is always great. Uh. And I

1475
01:43:56.319 --> 01:44:00.880
guess we're gonna get less of it
now that Oliver's with Chloe so Yay mentioned

1476
01:44:00.960 --> 01:44:03.279
at the end that she has freckles, but I never seen. Yeah,

1477
01:44:03.800 --> 01:44:13.760
well not that we've seen, but
he has clearly so Marshall Manhunter, who

1478
01:44:13.880 --> 01:44:16.159
we can assume has been shape shifting
this whole time, right because obviously he

1479
01:44:16.199 --> 01:44:19.119
doesn't look like Phil Morris. He
looks like a green guy that we saw

1480
01:44:19.199 --> 01:44:23.960
for five seconds in Absolute Justice.
This is the first time he see him

1481
01:44:23.960 --> 01:44:28.199
straight up shafe shift into somebody else
first and last time, because he shaped

1482
01:44:28.199 --> 01:44:30.840
shifts into Amanda Waller and like some
checkmate Asian security guys just walking by.

1483
01:44:30.840 --> 01:44:33.199
It's like, hey, hey,
let me out of here. Though the

1484
01:44:34.159 --> 01:44:38.920
prisoner overpowered me and stuck here,
and now he's like, oh sure.

1485
01:44:39.119 --> 01:44:42.279
He turns off the thing and he's
like, well, that's weird. Those

1486
01:44:42.439 --> 01:44:46.520
many alarm and then he turns back
into you know, John Jones and he's

1487
01:44:46.600 --> 01:44:53.239
like, that's because I'm still here
and gives him the like again, uses

1488
01:44:53.239 --> 01:44:56.119
this telebilate to like knock him out. Huh h. Gives him the old

1489
01:44:56.199 --> 01:45:01.680
mind meld to wipe his mind and
make things yeah, like and again this

1490
01:45:01.800 --> 01:45:04.720
is this is his best episode,
like the full display of his powers here

1491
01:45:04.840 --> 01:45:08.840
like like, but this is why
he's not in a lot episodes, because

1492
01:45:08.880 --> 01:45:15.680
he could solve all these problems like
immediately, right, he can't interfere with

1493
01:45:15.720 --> 01:45:18.119
Clark's journey. That's right, he's
under strict orders. I mean, he

1494
01:45:18.159 --> 01:45:20.399
almost died a few times in the
first six seasons, but we're not gonna

1495
01:45:20.399 --> 01:45:25.079
worry about that. How about the
time he literally died in season five.

1496
01:45:26.319 --> 01:45:29.800
He knew he was gonna be fine. He was at the store getting oreo.

1497
01:45:29.920 --> 01:45:36.800
Yeah he he he left arst atmosphere
to heal. But no, this

1498
01:45:36.920 --> 01:45:40.640
is just bad ass to see him
ship like this is the fully formed comic

1499
01:45:40.640 --> 01:45:43.960
book Martian Manhunter. We see operating
here, like he's shaped shifting, he's

1500
01:45:44.000 --> 01:45:48.600
using philepathy. He's just like,
this is cool stuff. So then we

1501
01:45:48.720 --> 01:45:51.680
see Clark in silhouette confronting Waba with
his time so kind of I don't know

1502
01:45:51.800 --> 01:45:56.319
that's sort of intentional power dynamic shift, but the visual storytelling that is really

1503
01:45:56.359 --> 01:45:58.920
cool. I think I love her
lying here. She's like, I preferred

1504
01:45:58.920 --> 01:46:02.840
your colors when they were more patriotic, which is exactly what she would say.

1505
01:46:02.920 --> 01:46:06.359
Like it's not just some BS reference, It's like that is this character

1506
01:46:06.800 --> 01:46:11.079
would say that. He says kidnapping
is illegal even for the government. I'm

1507
01:46:11.079 --> 01:46:13.920
like, oh, Clark is so
naive. He doesn't know, he doesn't

1508
01:46:13.920 --> 01:46:16.600
know how the world words yet.
But then she starts talking to like,

1509
01:46:16.680 --> 01:46:19.680
we have aliens here that want more
than just green cards, and I'm like,

1510
01:46:19.880 --> 01:46:24.000
hey, this is a character who
would talk this way again, like

1511
01:46:24.159 --> 01:46:28.119
it's everything she's saying tracks and we're
really in a this is like a post

1512
01:46:28.199 --> 01:46:30.439
nine to eleven America thing, checkmate, right, because because she basically tells

1513
01:46:30.479 --> 01:46:34.600
Clark, look, if you're not
with us, then you're against us.

1514
01:46:34.640 --> 01:46:38.960
So I'm like, well, this
is where we are, right, But

1515
01:46:39.119 --> 01:46:41.159
it makes sense I mean small in
the shadow at nine to eleven, like

1516
01:46:41.199 --> 01:46:45.239
it makes sense these government organizations.
And so I would have liked this whole

1517
01:46:45.439 --> 01:46:53.159
exchange between Clark and Waller here.
I did wonder because in I think in

1518
01:46:53.239 --> 01:46:57.399
two episodes Clark has like that or
like you see some behind the scenes stuff

1519
01:46:57.399 --> 01:47:00.319
where he has that green ass to
help with bring his face in the shadows.

1520
01:47:01.199 --> 01:47:03.880
I wonder if that stem from this
one, because in this episode he's

1521
01:47:03.880 --> 01:47:08.039
supposed to be in the shadows,
but you can still clearly see his face

1522
01:47:09.079 --> 01:47:11.359
and h she tells me, you
know, to come out and maybe we'll

1523
01:47:11.359 --> 01:47:14.840
we'll get there in a second.
But I'm wondering if they tried that in

1524
01:47:14.920 --> 01:47:16.720
this episode and it just didn't quite
work out how they wanted to. So

1525
01:47:16.720 --> 01:47:20.159
that's why they were able to adjust
for a later episode, and that's more

1526
01:47:20.199 --> 01:47:23.399
of what they were going for.
Yeah, I remember, I know what

1527
01:47:23.479 --> 01:47:26.199
you're talking about. I think it's
I think it's other like Charad or Masquerade

1528
01:47:26.279 --> 01:47:30.199
or one of those where were I'm
like, why is why is Clark on

1529
01:47:30.279 --> 01:47:31.600
this great house when his chest and
it's it's you know, it's it's so

1530
01:47:31.680 --> 01:47:35.680
they could literally black him out but
show the s in the shadows. And

1531
01:47:35.960 --> 01:47:40.800
Uh, you're absolutely right, because
when she's like you need to step out

1532
01:47:40.800 --> 01:47:45.439
of the shadows, I thought she
was talking about like metaphorically yeah, but

1533
01:47:45.560 --> 01:47:47.079
he's like, oh, you mean, just like come closer. I want

1534
01:47:47.079 --> 01:47:50.119
to hear your face. Yeah,
She's like you sure are nice to look

1535
01:47:50.159 --> 01:47:57.000
at. Just good good dialogue.
Right, But then he's like gonna I

1536
01:47:57.000 --> 01:47:59.079
think he's like gonna like attack her. I don't know what he's gonna do.

1537
01:47:59.359 --> 01:48:01.079
But she's like anything happens to me, then bye bye Blondie. Because

1538
01:48:01.079 --> 01:48:04.239
they have you know, Lois uh
so before you it's up there, they

1539
01:48:04.319 --> 01:48:09.079
have Chloe tied up in another room
and you know this occurred to me like

1540
01:48:09.359 --> 01:48:14.000
this is a real Superman story,
Like this would be Superman talking Man of

1541
01:48:14.039 --> 01:48:15.800
Waller and they've kidnapped Lois Lane.
Right, that's basically what this is.

1542
01:48:16.199 --> 01:48:19.720
But it's sir small of will that
it's not always lowest in trouble or it's

1543
01:48:19.720 --> 01:48:23.760
not always you spreading that around.
Its actually expands the world. So I

1544
01:48:23.880 --> 01:48:30.359
do like that. And she wants
his Algians to checkmate and if not,

1545
01:48:30.399 --> 01:48:33.439
they're gonna kill Chloe. And he's
like that's the murder. She's like,

1546
01:48:33.479 --> 01:48:36.199
it's not murder, it's strategy.
I'm like, damn, but that's this

1547
01:48:36.319 --> 01:48:42.000
is Amanda Waller, Like this is
this is straight up right. So she

1548
01:48:42.119 --> 01:48:45.039
also wants the database of all the
Watchtower people, like she names off the

1549
01:48:45.159 --> 01:48:51.159
Justice League Black Canary, Aukaman impulse, not the Flagh impulse. Cyborg.

1550
01:48:51.399 --> 01:48:56.520
You know, there was a long
pause before she said Cyborg seemed very intentional

1551
01:48:56.840 --> 01:49:00.119
Cyborg. It's like, oh,
did you not? Were you not to

1552
01:49:00.159 --> 01:49:03.880
know about that one? No?
No, Angel of Vengeance though she didn't

1553
01:49:03.880 --> 01:49:11.239
make the cut, so uh,
she just wasn't seen clear enough. But

1554
01:49:11.399 --> 01:49:18.520
then again with the chess terminology your
move, which is generic dialogue in somewhere

1555
01:49:18.560 --> 01:49:21.199
else, but for these people who
are talking chess terms, that's like really

1556
01:49:21.319 --> 01:49:24.520
smart. Like I'm like, okay, this is like I don't know,

1557
01:49:24.960 --> 01:49:30.439
I'm really picking up with putting down
with the intentional dialogue here. So while

1558
01:49:30.479 --> 01:49:33.319
this conversation is going on, Martian
Manhutter, Okay, let's talk about this.

1559
01:49:33.920 --> 01:49:39.640
Uh he has like rainbow heat vision. Now, yeah, I guess

1560
01:49:40.159 --> 01:49:45.119
they had to make it look different. It's just it's just rainbow vision.

1561
01:49:46.079 --> 01:49:50.239
I don't I don't remember Martian man
Hunter having heat vision anywhere? Does he

1562
01:49:51.319 --> 01:49:55.640
was? Isn't that what he used
to kill Batista? I thought he's just

1563
01:49:55.720 --> 01:50:03.680
like he last Yeah, if I
like phase through and pulled out some testines

1564
01:50:03.800 --> 01:50:08.399
or something, right, But am
I wrong here? Like I don't again,

1565
01:50:08.680 --> 01:50:11.520
a Martian men Hunter is not at
the top of my comp acknology list,

1566
01:50:11.600 --> 01:50:15.119
But it wouldn't make sense because he's
he's vulnerable to fire. Why would

1567
01:50:15.159 --> 01:50:18.119
he have heat vision. Yeah,
it's just like if all the powers,

1568
01:50:18.199 --> 01:50:21.439
like he can phase through things,
he can he can fly, he can

1569
01:50:21.640 --> 01:50:26.199
meet your mind, Like, can
we just not give him that? Like

1570
01:50:26.279 --> 01:50:30.000
if there was I've heard this talked
about before, and I agree with that,

1571
01:50:30.079 --> 01:50:31.960
Like, if there was one power
that Superman had, video would take

1572
01:50:32.000 --> 01:50:39.279
away, it would be heat vision
because it's like it solves too many problems,

1573
01:50:39.359 --> 01:50:41.239
you know, It's like, oh, I can just stand a thousand

1574
01:50:41.279 --> 01:50:46.039
feet away and I don't know,
burn down two towers and antown. Right.

1575
01:50:46.199 --> 01:50:50.760
So anyway, speaking of post nine
eleven America, this should all been

1576
01:50:50.800 --> 01:50:55.399
a response to like if they like
I'd applied, I applaud season nine for

1577
01:50:56.000 --> 01:50:58.399
being well thought out, but if
they really wanted to go there, like

1578
01:50:58.520 --> 01:51:00.640
Checkmate doing all this, she had
been bonds to, like like we don't

1579
01:51:00.640 --> 01:51:03.319
want this happening a third time.
Yeah, Like this is like, hey,

1580
01:51:03.479 --> 01:51:08.359
we just had a terrorist attack.
Let's let's let's rank up the patriot

1581
01:51:08.560 --> 01:51:11.920
Let's ramp up the Patriot Act.
Here guys, So I don't maybe they

1582
01:51:11.960 --> 01:51:14.560
think the Candorians did that. I
don't know that they could have tied that

1583
01:51:14.640 --> 01:51:16.640
together somehow, but that might have
been a little too a little too on

1584
01:51:16.720 --> 01:51:18.880
the nose. But I would say, how how do you get more on

1585
01:51:18.920 --> 01:51:21.479
the nose than what they already did
with that visual? I don't know.

1586
01:51:21.640 --> 01:51:29.279
So anyway, Yeah, but Marsha
Manutter destroys the Candorian blood. I guess

1587
01:51:29.319 --> 01:51:36.319
they have no files about it.
They have not a backup. And then

1588
01:51:36.560 --> 01:51:40.720
there's a power failure, and watching
this this time, I was like,

1589
01:51:40.760 --> 01:51:44.199
oh, obviously Marsha Manner did that
on his way out right, That's what

1590
01:51:44.319 --> 01:51:47.479
I thought. Apparently not Apparently Test
told Green Arrow how to shut down the

1591
01:51:47.520 --> 01:51:51.960
power at check my hayequarters. Only
that's only there to give them like some

1592
01:51:54.159 --> 01:51:58.520
emotional beat at the end there.
But it doesn't make sense story wise.

1593
01:51:58.640 --> 01:52:01.600
He literally had the phasing fly guy
flying around your headquarters. He could have

1594
01:52:01.680 --> 01:52:06.960
just done all that. But Clark
in this chaos, Clark uses a superhero

1595
01:52:08.439 --> 01:52:13.399
to hear where Chloe is because it's
that same guy's the doctor Guy Strange.

1596
01:52:13.439 --> 01:52:16.439
You think, yeah, doctor Brenner, he's gonna kill Chloe and He's like

1597
01:52:16.479 --> 01:52:18.960
a white queed. Do we have
a go? Do I have the shot?

1598
01:52:19.079 --> 01:52:26.399
Right? And this is an extremely
artistic, but very memorable and very

1599
01:52:26.520 --> 01:52:31.439
cool save. Let's let's discuss for
us what'd you think it's It's funny because

1600
01:52:31.479 --> 01:52:35.840
going into this to to rewatch for
for today, that's like the only scene

1601
01:52:35.880 --> 01:52:41.399
that stands out of course, and
they use a little bit of h Clark

1602
01:52:41.479 --> 01:52:45.319
I think in some promo stuff for
the credits or something with with this one.

1603
01:52:45.640 --> 01:52:49.600
But it's definitely I think artistic is
a great way to put it.

1604
01:52:49.920 --> 01:52:55.119
It's memorable. I was trying to
think if it's a little corny or kind

1605
01:52:55.119 --> 01:52:57.560
of a cop out, but I
think it's cool that that you're actually that

1606
01:52:57.640 --> 01:53:04.520
we see the stages of the save
and not the full story. Yeah,

1607
01:53:04.920 --> 01:53:09.840
I mean coming to this episode,
that was the one scene that I definitely

1608
01:53:09.960 --> 01:53:15.000
remembered from this episode before going in. I think, you know, especially

1609
01:53:15.000 --> 01:53:17.640
if you don't have the budget for
a really cool look and fight, it's

1610
01:53:17.640 --> 01:53:23.800
a really awesome way to do it. Yeah. I thought it was great,

1611
01:53:23.920 --> 01:53:27.560
But I did have a question.
Maybe you guys can help me out

1612
01:53:27.600 --> 01:53:30.720
here. So with the blinking lights, how fast are they going? Before

1613
01:53:30.760 --> 01:53:35.279
he goes into super speed. Did
they suddenly get faster for him to be

1614
01:53:35.479 --> 01:53:41.600
like moving from place to place with
it blinking timing? Just didn't. But

1615
01:53:42.239 --> 01:53:45.039
it did look great. I loved
it. That's me being nitpicky. It's

1616
01:53:45.079 --> 01:53:56.720
my inner Rosenbomb coming out. But
ye, yeah, overall it looked great.

1617
01:53:56.760 --> 01:53:59.359
It was fun. It wlocks that
fine line of like, Okay,

1618
01:53:59.359 --> 01:54:01.319
I understand why you do this to
save money, but also it's a really

1619
01:54:01.399 --> 01:54:03.680
it's a creative way to show this
and we haven't seen like this before,

1620
01:54:03.920 --> 01:54:08.680
right with like the just snapshots of
what he's doing. H faster than a

1621
01:54:08.680 --> 01:54:12.760
speeding bullet. Oh my god.
A right, But also a really nice

1622
01:54:12.800 --> 01:54:17.159
touch at the end is he gets
Chloe and then the light flickers and they're

1623
01:54:17.199 --> 01:54:21.680
just gone. There's no super speeding
effect. There's there's no sound. I

1624
01:54:21.680 --> 01:54:24.279
don't know. It's a very.
It's a it's a very. It's like

1625
01:54:24.319 --> 01:54:30.039
a it's like a micro short film
about Superman saving someone, like a student

1626
01:54:30.119 --> 01:54:33.439
film Superman. Right. I just
I thought it was fantastic And I don't

1627
01:54:33.439 --> 01:54:35.399
know what. I don't know where
it started. They didn't start with a

1628
01:54:35.439 --> 01:54:41.159
creative idea. They start with like, hey, guys, we spent way

1629
01:54:41.199 --> 01:54:44.680
too much money on the CGI Castle. We have no money left. How

1630
01:54:44.720 --> 01:54:46.079
do we get to show this?
So anyway? I mean to me,

1631
01:54:46.159 --> 01:54:47.880
this is one of the standouts,
as you all said, like of this

1632
01:54:47.960 --> 01:54:53.119
episode, this is this is where
my mind goes. So then we get

1633
01:54:53.159 --> 01:54:58.600
a scene where Clark apologizes to Chloe
at the watchtower and I don't like this

1634
01:54:58.840 --> 01:55:00.800
vibe. I don't care for this
vibe. It's all like, well,

1635
01:55:00.840 --> 01:55:04.399
you won me on the sidelines and
I thought you'd be safe for there.

1636
01:55:04.720 --> 01:55:09.119
I don't know, but Eric,
what did do you? Can you explain

1637
01:55:09.159 --> 01:55:14.359
to me why this exists? I
wish I could, man, I really

1638
01:55:14.399 --> 01:55:17.159
wish I could. I think,
you know, each each episode of Smallville,

1639
01:55:17.479 --> 01:55:19.760
at the end, they always have
the I learned a lot from this

1640
01:55:19.880 --> 01:55:24.800
episode moment, you know, And
I feel like that was kind of getting

1641
01:55:24.920 --> 01:55:27.800
or trying to get into that but
didn't quite get there, you know,

1642
01:55:27.840 --> 01:55:30.640
because Chloe was just like, you
know, you saw me as a big

1643
01:55:30.680 --> 01:55:33.319
brother and so you backed off.
I get that, and you know they

1644
01:55:33.399 --> 01:55:38.600
kind of had a somewhat of a
heart to heart. But that's that's what

1645
01:55:38.720 --> 01:55:41.239
I kind of figured that was was
just there. I learned so much from

1646
01:55:41.279 --> 01:55:45.520
this episode moment, But as you
said, it just didn't really work as

1647
01:55:45.560 --> 01:55:47.159
well. Well, they seemed they
seemed like they were cool in the last

1648
01:55:47.640 --> 01:55:50.479
episode or so, like this seems
like this is a conversation that should have

1649
01:55:50.560 --> 01:55:53.800
like at the beginning of the season
where they were more like because then I

1650
01:55:53.880 --> 01:55:56.840
understood why they were like mad at
each other for various reasons. But now

1651
01:55:56.880 --> 01:55:59.239
it's just like, what do you
what are we talking about here? Like

1652
01:55:59.319 --> 01:56:01.880
it's just rama for the sake of
drama. So I don't know is your

1653
01:56:01.960 --> 01:56:05.520
is your opinion lowering or raising of
Chloe Brandon? What do you think?

1654
01:56:06.880 --> 01:56:13.239
Oh? Yeah, I think I
think Chloe should have gone away in like

1655
01:56:13.319 --> 01:56:18.319
season five probably. I think every
everything after that, Chloe kind of goes

1656
01:56:18.399 --> 01:56:23.880
downhill because for me, she ends
high school. She's kind of the mature

1657
01:56:23.960 --> 01:56:28.000
one of the group that almost would
have liked it. When Clark's kind of

1658
01:56:28.039 --> 01:56:30.600
getting back together with Lana, She's
just like, you know what, I'm

1659
01:56:30.640 --> 01:56:33.840
done with this high school stuff.
I'm out of here, like takes off

1660
01:56:33.920 --> 01:56:41.399
and makes her own life after that, yeah, moves to Star City.

1661
01:56:44.359 --> 01:56:47.640
It would ended up in the same
place right well, with all these characters

1662
01:56:47.800 --> 01:56:54.680
like like Lana, like run out
of stuff to do, Lois. It's

1663
01:56:54.760 --> 01:56:57.399
like the opposite where they're like they
waited to do anything with her to the

1664
01:56:57.479 --> 01:57:00.840
end, and that's why she can
stick around for so long. It's like,

1665
01:57:00.039 --> 01:57:02.680
we're gonna get all that nonsense we
give the other characters at the end

1666
01:57:02.720 --> 01:57:04.960
of their time on the show.
We're gonna give you that for the beginning

1667
01:57:05.000 --> 01:57:08.920
of your time the show, Lewis, So that's why she works at the

1668
01:57:09.000 --> 01:57:12.159
end. But no, no,
I agree. So it's unfortunate because like

1669
01:57:12.279 --> 01:57:15.039
there was a there was a moment
there, like like a warrior where I

1670
01:57:15.119 --> 01:57:16.840
was well back on board with Chloe, and I'm like, yeah, so

1671
01:57:17.800 --> 01:57:20.000
I don't know, Forresty, do
you think she should have left at some

1672
01:57:20.039 --> 01:57:24.640
point or they should have done something
else with her? I can see that.

1673
01:57:24.880 --> 01:57:29.319
I mean, the core friendship of
the show is Clark and Chloe,

1674
01:57:29.640 --> 01:57:35.439
even through some questionable things. So
mostly I find myself in like season nine

1675
01:57:35.479 --> 01:57:41.199
and ten, really aching for the
fact that their friendship has so much tumult

1676
01:57:42.560 --> 01:57:45.560
and with Alison Mack not being so
present in season ten, it's really like,

1677
01:57:45.760 --> 01:57:49.880
I don't know that Chloe and Clark
had a really good sort of closure

1678
01:57:50.039 --> 01:57:54.800
or celebration at the end. So
sitting and watching this now is just kind

1679
01:57:54.840 --> 01:57:58.239
of like, oh bummer, Like
we're not we're not heading toward a high

1680
01:57:58.319 --> 01:58:00.439
note with them necessarily. I'm not
saying there's good stuff well a little bit

1681
01:58:00.479 --> 01:58:02.840
with them coming, but it just
feels a little bit like kind of a

1682
01:58:03.039 --> 01:58:06.720
let down. See you in the
Funny Papers, Yep, yep, that's

1683
01:58:06.760 --> 01:58:12.880
the last one. Yep. I'm
kind of it's not a cartoon. Yeah,

1684
01:58:13.560 --> 01:58:17.119
I'm with Zach. Where I think
Chloe should have died saving Clark,

1685
01:58:17.319 --> 01:58:21.479
or even just that time where she
saved Lous and just traded lives for I

1686
01:58:21.520 --> 01:58:28.119
think that would have been a good
stepping off point. Yeah. I mean

1687
01:58:28.199 --> 01:58:30.239
that's the thing, right, when
you have actors, you have stories,

1688
01:58:30.279 --> 01:58:33.600
like so many other things to consider
of like but the like, if you

1689
01:58:33.760 --> 01:58:38.279
just look at things from a story
purely a story thing, things would be

1690
01:58:38.319 --> 01:58:41.479
different. But because we got contracts
and seizes and actors and like, well

1691
01:58:41.840 --> 01:58:44.159
we can't lose everybody, and like
the time they're like, well we got

1692
01:58:44.239 --> 01:58:45.479
at least have somebody. Then the
Clark has been here the whole time,

1693
01:58:45.680 --> 01:58:49.800
and yeah, she's still doing or
watched everything the proto Felicity smoke she's she's

1694
01:58:49.880 --> 01:58:56.279
running watch Tower and she is dating
the Green Arrow. So Smallville is the

1695
01:58:56.319 --> 01:59:00.640
blueprint. Now get a little wrap
up at uh Well, first of two

1696
01:59:00.680 --> 01:59:05.279
wrap ups at the at the at
the clock, first of two wrap ups

1697
01:59:05.560 --> 01:59:13.000
at the Checkmate headquarters. John Jones
again like kind of silhouette, I guess.

1698
01:59:13.479 --> 01:59:17.000
He shows up with Amanda Waller and
she's like, did you catch them?

1699
01:59:17.039 --> 01:59:20.319
I can't wait to see the look
on their faces. And then which

1700
01:59:20.359 --> 01:59:24.119
I think is a little slide dialogue
to talk about you're not gonna see their

1701
01:59:24.159 --> 01:59:27.640
faces, so that was pretty clever. And then he hand blasts, we're

1702
01:59:27.640 --> 01:59:32.000
gonna use that terminology now, yes, And we see like, you know,

1703
01:59:32.239 --> 01:59:35.880
going through her mind, and we
see Oliver's face and Clark's face and

1704
01:59:35.920 --> 01:59:40.680
Chloe's face and erasing that knowledge.
And look, this is visual shorthand,

1705
01:59:40.800 --> 01:59:44.359
right, so we can assume that
you know, he he erased from everybody.

1706
01:59:44.439 --> 01:59:46.479
Nobody knows about them anymore. Like
this is what this is showing us,

1707
01:59:46.520 --> 01:59:48.920
so you know, well, he
didn't leave the computers too. I

1708
01:59:48.960 --> 01:59:51.880
don't know, Like this tells me
that he cleaned everything up, right,

1709
01:59:54.079 --> 01:59:56.319
And then she wakes up and has
no idea what's going on so I like

1710
01:59:56.359 --> 01:59:59.039
how they I like how they clean
that up, and you know they that's

1711
01:59:59.079 --> 02:00:01.039
probably why they went over the top
to show like he had to lempathy powers

1712
02:00:01.079 --> 02:00:05.840
this episode. They're like, did
we mention that before? We better established

1713
02:00:05.840 --> 02:00:09.199
that earlier. So but that was
clever, Like it was. It's a

1714
02:00:09.239 --> 02:00:11.640
good way to clean up the mess
they had made. But really all their

1715
02:00:11.680 --> 02:00:15.520
secret identities. And then we get
Oliver and Tests. They're out in a

1716
02:00:15.600 --> 02:00:19.199
public place. Oliver was like,
well, I figure there's less stuff to

1717
02:00:19.239 --> 02:00:24.039
kill me with here I'm in public. It's pretty good. She's like,

1718
02:00:24.119 --> 02:00:30.079
hey, I told you how to
shut down the security systems that checking the

1719
02:00:30.119 --> 02:00:31.439
Haye quarters. And again justin Hartley, so he's like, so you want

1720
02:00:31.479 --> 02:00:35.039
to do like a handstand now that
you that you helped solve a problem,

1721
02:00:35.079 --> 02:00:41.079
that you created, such a good
line, such a good line, some

1722
02:00:41.199 --> 02:00:43.720
really good makeup on tests here too, like to make it like it's like

1723
02:00:43.800 --> 02:00:46.880
makeup that doesn't look like makeup.
It looks like she's like been upset and

1724
02:00:47.000 --> 02:00:49.760
she's just kind of disheveled. Like
I mean, Cassidy Freeman is still beautiful,

1725
02:00:50.079 --> 02:00:51.800
but like you know what I'm saying, like she's not all like made

1726
02:00:51.840 --> 02:00:55.760
up with eyeshadow like she has and
so many other scenes, so subtle stuff.

1727
02:00:55.800 --> 02:01:00.079
But she's like she's really she's really
desperate here right, and she she

1728
02:01:00.159 --> 02:01:01.800
thinks Checkmate might come after her,
so she's gonna go off the gride,

1729
02:01:01.800 --> 02:01:08.319
She's gonna go a wall and uh
in the Great Arrow event, all of

1730
02:01:08.399 --> 02:01:11.239
her. He just he is twisted
knife. He's like, so tell me,

1731
02:01:11.319 --> 02:01:13.520
tell me this that did it hurt
to do to do something moral for

1732
02:01:13.640 --> 02:01:16.279
once? Tests? Like, damn? Is he too hard on her hair?

1733
02:01:18.920 --> 02:01:25.560
Yes? I don't know. I
feel like she wanted a friend and

1734
02:01:25.680 --> 02:01:31.279
he's just like not now they just
like cut her loose. It reminds me

1735
02:01:31.279 --> 02:01:36.039
of how emotional Test is in early
season ten when when they bring her into

1736
02:01:36.119 --> 02:01:43.800
the Fold officially and how seriously she
takes being trusted, and so I'm like, it's the