1 00:00:08,759 --> 00:00:13,919 What is Up? Everybody goes in here from anime Uproar and welcome back to 2 00:00:13,919 --> 00:00:20,120 the thirty third ever episode of the dragon Ball Version podcast. We've been added 3 00:00:20,120 --> 00:00:25,519 over nine months and we're still going today as always, I got my co 4 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:30,280 host Ray the dragon Ball Version. What Up? Ray? What Up? 5 00:00:30,399 --> 00:00:34,799 Goes in? Nice to be here and talk about one of my favorite arcs 6 00:00:34,799 --> 00:00:37,840 so far in dragon Ball. Dude, when I heard that, I'm like, 7 00:00:38,280 --> 00:00:40,880 first of all, it makes sense. Second of all, that's crazy 8 00:00:40,920 --> 00:00:44,359 to hear. I love hearing it. And if you guys didn't somehow know, 9 00:00:44,640 --> 00:00:50,399 we are discussing the pretty much a Future Trunks saga and some of the 10 00:00:50,439 --> 00:00:55,600 Feller episodes they tag on at the end of that saga. Let me just 11 00:00:55,840 --> 00:01:00,079 check here if I could find it which episodes were cover ring next, because 12 00:01:00,119 --> 00:01:04,680 the arc is huge, right, so I definitely didn't want to like cover 13 00:01:04,840 --> 00:01:08,040 all of it, so I broke it up here all right, So the 14 00:01:08,079 --> 00:01:12,920 Tournament of Power guys, and we know how much Ray loves this tournament something 15 00:01:14,200 --> 00:01:17,719 there's I underrated dragon Ball souper while I was in the middle of it, 16 00:01:17,760 --> 00:01:21,840 because like, dude, this is good for dragon Ball fans, this is 17 00:01:21,879 --> 00:01:23,640 good, Like you could say, oh, I didn't like it as much 18 00:01:23,640 --> 00:01:27,560 as Dragon Ball I didn't like as much as dragon Ball Z. But damn, 19 00:01:27,560 --> 00:01:30,719 if you're a dragon Ball fan, I can't see you not liking dragon 20 00:01:30,799 --> 00:01:37,480 Ball souper like I'm really enjoying it. So, yes, the Tournament of 21 00:01:37,480 --> 00:01:41,319 Power we're going to cover next episode, which is gonna be two weeks from 22 00:01:41,359 --> 00:01:47,680 now, episodes seventy seven to one hundred and four, So part one of 23 00:01:47,719 --> 00:01:52,239 the Tournament of Power once again, seventy seven to one hundred and four, 24 00:01:52,359 --> 00:01:57,599 and this week this episode, we're discussing future Trunk Saga episodes forty seven to 25 00:01:57,719 --> 00:02:01,040 seventy six. All right, let's go initial thoughts. I know, Ray, 26 00:02:01,120 --> 00:02:05,680 you just kind of said, you know, see your favorite arc, 27 00:02:05,840 --> 00:02:08,560 which is a huge deal, and I mean, yeah, I get it. 28 00:02:08,560 --> 00:02:13,039 But why what stood out to you? Sure? Yeah, favorite arc 29 00:02:13,479 --> 00:02:16,479 from Super and one of my favorites. I haven't decided where to place it 30 00:02:16,560 --> 00:02:21,800 yet within the series itself, but a couple of things that stood out that 31 00:02:21,840 --> 00:02:25,319 I really liked. Number One, Um, the aesthetics of the fight I 32 00:02:25,319 --> 00:02:30,159 thought were really good. Like the different fights within this arc, I thought 33 00:02:30,159 --> 00:02:34,400 the esthetics were probably the best they've been so far in y and when you 34 00:02:34,439 --> 00:02:39,599 say aesthetics you mean of the characters or of the background, of the backgrounds 35 00:02:39,639 --> 00:02:44,960 battles, like it was just all right, cool, yeah, even like 36 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:47,479 the yeah, Like, I just thought it was such a step up from 37 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:53,680 what we've seen so far. So I loved the verious esthetics, especially when 38 00:02:53,680 --> 00:02:59,520 they're in the future and interesting. To me, that's always interesting that we 39 00:02:59,599 --> 00:03:02,280 want to get to see like a different kind of timeline that's more dark. 40 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:07,560 I want to thank Sam for the donation. And he says, don't shoot 41 00:03:07,639 --> 00:03:14,599 that man isn't black, which is a straight up quoting a part in this 42 00:03:14,800 --> 00:03:19,680 arc. I don't know if you recalled when that was said. I don't. 43 00:03:19,879 --> 00:03:23,960 Oh my god, that's like the biggest meme in Dragon Ball super Guys 44 00:03:23,960 --> 00:03:29,520 correctly if if there's another one. But the official Duve the official Dove company 45 00:03:30,120 --> 00:03:35,280 said when Goku came to the future, the officers like, don't shoot that 46 00:03:35,319 --> 00:03:40,080 man isn't black, and they meant Goku black, right. But the fact 47 00:03:40,120 --> 00:03:46,199 that, like a professional official Duving company went yeah, there's nothing wrong with 48 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:53,759 that is it's pretty crazy how it went under the radar for everybody. Oh 49 00:03:53,800 --> 00:03:58,879 wow, I totally didn't catch that and that's that's crazy. Um yeah, 50 00:03:58,960 --> 00:04:03,520 so the fights, I thought we're pretty awesome. I also liked the philosophical 51 00:04:03,759 --> 00:04:09,280 aspects of the arc, like the Kais reflecting on what's good and evil? 52 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:12,719 What is just the role of humans? You and I we've talked about it. 53 00:04:12,719 --> 00:04:17,000 We love like philosophy, so I love just the whole focus on philosophy 54 00:04:17,079 --> 00:04:20,720 morality within this arc. I thought it was really cool and something we haven't 55 00:04:20,759 --> 00:04:26,079 seen too much of in Dragon Ball so far. So I thought that was 56 00:04:26,600 --> 00:04:30,319 cool as well. I like the throwback. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 57 00:04:30,319 --> 00:04:32,439 it's an interesting thing. And we'll get to the throwback. But yeah, 58 00:04:32,439 --> 00:04:36,399 because how do God? How are God supposed to view humans? Right, 59 00:04:36,439 --> 00:04:40,600 that's a question that comes up, and it's like, do you view them 60 00:04:40,639 --> 00:04:45,600 as this parasite that's bad for the universe? Or do you view them as 61 00:04:45,720 --> 00:04:49,600 things you have to take care of? Right? And obviously most gods obviously 62 00:04:49,600 --> 00:04:55,560 not God's destruction, but most Kais are trying to take care of humans, 63 00:04:55,560 --> 00:04:59,680 perhaps even help them. And yet this kuy decides, no, that's messed 64 00:04:59,759 --> 00:05:02,560 up. These guys are terrible. They you know, he has the usual 65 00:05:03,600 --> 00:05:06,600 excuses that kind of makes sense, or he's like you know, they're constantly 66 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:12,399 fighting with each other. There's constantly war. What are barbaric people? They 67 00:05:12,519 --> 00:05:16,279 use technology to kill each other, and so yeah, it's interesting. Obviously 68 00:05:17,160 --> 00:05:24,720 he's the relatability is not that there because he kind of goes off the rails, 69 00:05:25,480 --> 00:05:28,199 But you can get a kind of a sense of where he's coming from 70 00:05:28,199 --> 00:05:32,920 from a god's perspective in assuming humans are like these kind of cursed beings that 71 00:05:33,040 --> 00:05:39,000 only hurt the universe. Yeah, and I mean from a god's perspective. 72 00:05:39,040 --> 00:05:44,720 Even if you've ever had a thought of like say there was extraterrestrial life out 73 00:05:44,759 --> 00:05:48,000 there and they ever looked at humans, if they could like look down on 74 00:05:48,079 --> 00:05:51,079 what humans are doing, what would they think from the outside, the way 75 00:05:51,079 --> 00:05:57,360 we've set up our societies, the way we've just our history in general, 76 00:05:57,439 --> 00:06:01,079 because you know, humans, we do have a history many aspects. So 77 00:06:01,399 --> 00:06:04,879 it's just interesting seeing how this outside figures like exactly, Yeah, I know 78 00:06:04,879 --> 00:06:09,519 they're they're just a nuisance to the universe and just get you to reflect on 79 00:06:09,600 --> 00:06:13,959 our role on the plane and what we've done. And then it's one thing 80 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:17,199 when he thought like yo, I'm gonna destroy these weak beings. But then 81 00:06:17,240 --> 00:06:23,160 Immortal comes along Goku and straight up defeats him like shits on him, and 82 00:06:23,319 --> 00:06:29,000 that of course his ego is hurt as a god and he wants to destroy 83 00:06:30,360 --> 00:06:36,120 Mortals even more. Yeah, so you like growbacks you were saying as well, 84 00:06:36,199 --> 00:06:40,240 right, throwbacks as well, I mean the Evil Containment wave will get 85 00:06:40,279 --> 00:06:43,800 into I love that. I always love the flashbacks as well. So I 86 00:06:43,839 --> 00:06:48,160 thought, I just love how Super is, you know, kind of making 87 00:06:48,240 --> 00:06:53,160 reference to a lot of those great moments in dragon Ball and dragon Ball Z. 88 00:06:54,720 --> 00:06:59,279 Maybe even lastly, before we just get into the chronology of the episodes. 89 00:06:59,560 --> 00:07:01,639 I even like the fillers at the ends, Like, yeah, I 90 00:07:01,720 --> 00:07:05,319 was gonna say, man, the other fillers, Yeah, the other fillers 91 00:07:05,319 --> 00:07:09,600 we've we've had, I mean, they haven't been that memorable, but like 92 00:07:09,639 --> 00:07:14,839 the Baseball episode made me laugh rally. Yeah, and jam Chuck got his 93 00:07:15,079 --> 00:07:19,560 redemption bro. Yeah, so there were there were some great fillers at the 94 00:07:19,639 --> 00:07:24,240 end. Yeah. Like, I feel like I've matured in the five years 95 00:07:24,240 --> 00:07:28,720 since I've been doing YouTube, and I did reviews of some of these Dragon 96 00:07:28,759 --> 00:07:34,240 Ball Super episodes, and back then I think I was more critical than I 97 00:07:34,279 --> 00:07:39,120 am looking at it now. And yeah, obviously, like you know, 98 00:07:39,360 --> 00:07:43,839 I wasn't that experienced then at all. But it's interesting, like this is 99 00:07:43,920 --> 00:07:47,600 actually entertaining, right. You don't need to you don't need to be hard 100 00:07:47,639 --> 00:07:50,319 on it, especially with the filler stuff. You should view it as you 101 00:07:50,360 --> 00:07:55,839 know, entertaining comedy, like some nice emotional moments. It doesn't always have 102 00:07:55,959 --> 00:08:03,160 to be like you know, Goha team Gohan versus Vegeta versus Boo. It 103 00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:05,879 could be some moments of just like you know, the characters you love chilling, 104 00:08:07,319 --> 00:08:11,519 having a good time, having some emotional developments. I was. I 105 00:08:11,560 --> 00:08:16,160 was completely satisfied, including like you said, with the filler yes, and 106 00:08:16,240 --> 00:08:20,720 you mentioned I think Vegeto and that was a great kind of aspect of this 107 00:08:20,879 --> 00:08:24,600 arc as well. I'm glad we got to see him. Yeah, no, 108 00:08:24,759 --> 00:08:28,920 that was that was great, Like and everybody gets a chance to shine, 109 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:31,600 which is something you don't expect to see, just because not everyone's power 110 00:08:31,679 --> 00:08:37,919 level is as big as Goku's and Magitas and as a result, you know, 111 00:08:37,960 --> 00:08:41,879 they can't necessarily help out a lot in the actual conflict. But in 112 00:08:41,919 --> 00:08:46,559 the filler episodes, yeah you had, you had all these characters shine, 113 00:08:46,600 --> 00:08:50,840 including Krellid including Yeah I'm trucking in their own ways. So that was interesting, 114 00:08:50,240 --> 00:08:54,120 But we could start now chronologically if you want to just take us through 115 00:08:56,200 --> 00:09:00,480 the arc and yeah, like obviously we can't touch on everything because there was 116 00:09:00,519 --> 00:09:03,200 a bunch of episodes, but everything that stood out to you. Yeah, 117 00:09:03,279 --> 00:09:09,759 so we knew the last episode that Future Trunks would come into play, So 118 00:09:09,919 --> 00:09:16,720 we start off with Future Trunks. We get that kind of apocalyptic future and 119 00:09:16,840 --> 00:09:22,519 how there's this new enemy afoot and he looks you know, at first, 120 00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:26,879 it's like this kind of black gamend or ghosts. They do a good job, 121 00:09:26,960 --> 00:09:30,440 they do a good job of hiding his identity to build up the suspense. 122 00:09:31,080 --> 00:09:33,759 Yeah, so what were you thinking, Like, I know, I 123 00:09:33,799 --> 00:09:37,080 know sometimes you just watch and I'm like that too, where you just watch 124 00:09:37,200 --> 00:09:39,799 and you don't necessarily think like, oh, I'm gonna guess how this guy 125 00:09:39,840 --> 00:09:45,320 looks in reality. But would it ever have crossed your mind that it was 126 00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:48,279 Goku someone who looked like Goku? No, not at all. Yeah, 127 00:09:48,360 --> 00:09:52,559 So that that's such a cool like twist and yeah, so it has that 128 00:09:52,399 --> 00:09:56,879 Turtles vibe, right that we have from that one movie, except obviously they're 129 00:09:56,919 --> 00:10:01,279 taking it much more seriously here. Yeah, so that was interesting as well 130 00:10:01,320 --> 00:10:07,440 because there was a lot of build up, Like when it's first revealed in 131 00:10:07,480 --> 00:10:13,399 the first episode that this character, I think he mentions he's black or Trunks 132 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:16,600 calls him black, but he looks just like Goku. I'm thinking to myself, 133 00:10:16,799 --> 00:10:20,679 Okay, is he like another saying? Because we've seen these kind of 134 00:10:20,720 --> 00:10:24,799 Goku knockoff I don't want to tell them knockoffs, but Goku looked alikes before 135 00:10:24,120 --> 00:10:28,559 within the movies, Like is he some sort of Goku, like a relative 136 00:10:28,600 --> 00:10:33,879 of Goku or something? Then I thought like, really, how much of 137 00:10:33,919 --> 00:10:37,279 a threat can he be? Then? Then at this time, if he's 138 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:41,320 just some sort of relative, we know like Goku and everyone else have far 139 00:10:41,399 --> 00:10:45,440 surpassed the regular saying, So you know, I was trying to piece together 140 00:10:46,159 --> 00:10:48,840 like where is he from? Is he from this? Is he a leftover 141 00:10:48,919 --> 00:10:52,840 saying from planet Vegeta? Who knows? So anyways, that was confusing at 142 00:10:52,879 --> 00:10:58,200 times, But yeah, I just liked how it focused on the future and 143 00:10:58,279 --> 00:11:05,600 how you know, we've talked about previous arts where we go to different planets, 144 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:09,399 different universes. I lit the idea of venturing to the future because we 145 00:11:09,480 --> 00:11:13,000 only got a glimpse of it in Dragon Ball Z. Everything took place in 146 00:11:13,039 --> 00:11:16,759 the present, so to go to the future was really cool. And see 147 00:11:16,840 --> 00:11:18,960 that apocalyptic. That's a good point. Yeah, that's a good point because 148 00:11:20,759 --> 00:11:24,279 in the past it was. It's funny how there it's always the apocalyptic future. 149 00:11:24,360 --> 00:11:30,200 But yeah, it's funny how in the past they kind of Trunks came, 150 00:11:30,360 --> 00:11:33,919 Trunks got stronger, Trunks dealt with the problems, and here, yeah, 151 00:11:33,919 --> 00:11:37,679 they all kind of went, and even Boma went. I was like, 152 00:11:37,679 --> 00:11:39,440 I would not have allowed Boma to go, you know, because I 153 00:11:39,440 --> 00:11:43,080 would have been too worried that something would happen there. And then it's like, 154 00:11:43,080 --> 00:11:46,919 can you wish them back if they die in another and another timeline kind 155 00:11:46,919 --> 00:11:50,039 of thing. I don't know. So yeah, if it was me and 156 00:11:50,159 --> 00:11:54,679 I was either Trunks or Vegeta, I would not have let Boma come along. 157 00:11:56,600 --> 00:12:00,159 I guess maybe she was necessary for like operating the machine or something, 158 00:12:00,559 --> 00:12:03,519 so I guess it couldn't maybe it couldn't have been avoided. But damn, 159 00:12:03,559 --> 00:12:05,879 that's dangerous, bro. Yeah, I mean what she what? I know 160 00:12:05,960 --> 00:12:11,960 she put together the container when it broke, but did she do anything else 161 00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:16,639 that was super important to like the plot? When she went to the future, 162 00:12:16,759 --> 00:12:20,480 I don't think so. I mean it is again like a throwback, 163 00:12:20,559 --> 00:12:22,399 And yeah, I really liked that about Dragon Ball, Souper, all of 164 00:12:22,399 --> 00:12:26,720 the throwbacks were getting and one of the throwbacks was, yeah, Bullma always 165 00:12:26,799 --> 00:12:31,960 used to tag along the adventures, even if she didn't in dragon Ball, 166 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:37,000 even if she didn't necessarily contribute much to the actual fight. And yeah, 167 00:12:37,039 --> 00:12:39,679 you know, it was nice to see her there. It's just now I 168 00:12:39,759 --> 00:12:45,919 view her differently as like a mom, right, And before she was just 169 00:12:45,960 --> 00:12:50,919 like this girl went on adventures, right, So now it's more like, 170 00:12:50,360 --> 00:12:52,480 yo, you gotta be safe. You know, you have a kid to 171 00:12:52,519 --> 00:12:56,519 take care of, and you know, you view her in a different way. 172 00:12:56,720 --> 00:13:00,360 Yeah. So yeah, that was a little bit different, but cool 173 00:13:00,360 --> 00:13:05,759 to see her venture there at the end. Obviously, the Boma in Trunks's 174 00:13:05,240 --> 00:13:09,240 timeline dies before he leaves to go to the past. Dude, that was 175 00:13:09,320 --> 00:13:13,679 so sad, bro, I know, oh my god. And then like 176 00:13:13,879 --> 00:13:18,840 he thought my died too, he thought, yeah, and we're introduced to 177 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:24,039 my dude. Dude, I wanted to ask this contact, Yeah, exactly. 178 00:13:24,080 --> 00:13:26,159 I wanted to ask you about that too, because that was a heavy 179 00:13:26,200 --> 00:13:30,840 focus here to love story between Trunks and my how did you like that? 180 00:13:31,960 --> 00:13:35,240 Yeah, I mean I liked it. And it's funny how certain characters have 181 00:13:35,480 --> 00:13:41,039 evolved from Z. So, like we've talked about, Videll is very different 182 00:13:41,080 --> 00:13:45,960 from the Videll from Z and the May from dragon Ball is very different from 183 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:48,440 this May as well. But no, I liked her as a character. 184 00:13:48,519 --> 00:13:54,279 I mean, she was super brave, resilient. She was in charge of 185 00:13:54,320 --> 00:13:58,159 the I think they call it the resistance. So yeah, it was cool 186 00:13:58,200 --> 00:14:03,320 to to get more development of her. But it's funny. When I first 187 00:14:03,320 --> 00:14:05,519 saw her, I'm like, yeah, she looks familiar, and I'm trying 188 00:14:05,519 --> 00:14:07,840 to piece together. It didn't take too long to figure out, Oh, 189 00:14:07,879 --> 00:14:13,440 yeah, she's my Like I saw this person in whatever she is this particular 190 00:14:13,519 --> 00:14:16,679 age in dragon Ball, and then you know, you put the pieces together 191 00:14:16,759 --> 00:14:20,639 and I guess, so, just to confirm the my from the present, 192 00:14:22,440 --> 00:14:26,799 she was that age at one point, but then she wished herself to be 193 00:14:26,919 --> 00:14:31,519 younger. Yeah yeah, right, And because that's why she's so attracted to 194 00:14:31,600 --> 00:14:35,360 future Trunks instead of present trunks, because she's dude. Yeah, And I 195 00:14:35,360 --> 00:14:39,480 mean it's so interesting, like because I again I didn't care about her character 196 00:14:39,559 --> 00:14:43,240 at all in dragon Ball, but yet I remember watching Dragon Ball Super and 197 00:14:43,360 --> 00:14:46,720 like I actually liked her and I was rooting for her right, Like, 198 00:14:46,840 --> 00:14:52,360 you really get to love that character and she grows on you and now she's 199 00:14:52,480 --> 00:14:56,519 arguably, like can be considered one of the best girls kind of things. 200 00:14:56,559 --> 00:15:01,600 So that's crazy, yo, Big Juice, thank you so much. Just 201 00:15:01,960 --> 00:15:07,519 resubed and gifted five subs. Also, Big Juice says, I've listened to 202 00:15:07,600 --> 00:15:11,320 every episode of all the Virgin podcasts on Spotify, all the anime out War 203 00:15:11,440 --> 00:15:16,039 episodes. Two You gentlemen get me through my day at work and it means 204 00:15:16,080 --> 00:15:20,919 a lot. Here's what little appreciation I can show love from the UK. 205 00:15:20,200 --> 00:15:26,240 Thank you so much. Hearing that means so much to both me and Ray. 206 00:15:26,279 --> 00:15:31,879 I'm sure absolutely, Yeah, that's awesome the commitment that you show and 207 00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:35,000 I love the UK. So great for you to be from the UK. 208 00:15:37,080 --> 00:15:39,360 Yeah, I do. We're gonna carry on right away with the episode. 209 00:15:39,360 --> 00:15:43,759 But why do you love the UK? Just curious? I went there a 210 00:15:43,840 --> 00:15:46,799 couple of years ago, and I don't know, I just I loved I 211 00:15:46,840 --> 00:15:52,200 love the people there, and you know, I visited a few different places, 212 00:15:52,279 --> 00:15:56,000 so I don't know, I just got a great vibe from the UK, 213 00:15:56,360 --> 00:15:58,399 and a lot of people from where we are in Canada moved to the 214 00:15:58,519 --> 00:16:03,840 UK for different reasons. Definitely has a great appeal. But yeah, back 215 00:16:03,840 --> 00:16:07,759 to the episode itself, I mean, um, yeah, we're talking about 216 00:16:07,840 --> 00:16:11,559 My So I really liked my as a character. Um, it was great 217 00:16:11,559 --> 00:16:15,320 to see she was alive there, that she didn't die, because that would 218 00:16:15,320 --> 00:16:22,279 be tragic if he lost so tragic. Although I guess later on we'll figure 219 00:16:22,320 --> 00:16:27,200 out he could go to a world where his mom exists, right, Yeah, 220 00:16:27,279 --> 00:16:30,759 No, it's funny because I was thinking of that as well. I'm 221 00:16:30,799 --> 00:16:33,919 like, it seems like whenever this guy and I understand they are big problems 222 00:16:33,960 --> 00:16:37,559 in the future. But it's like whenever there's a big problem in the future, 223 00:16:37,919 --> 00:16:40,679 he always has to come to the present. It's just like, come 224 00:16:40,679 --> 00:16:44,399 and help me solve my problem kind of thing. But I understand it's like 225 00:16:44,480 --> 00:16:49,960 an apocalypse, and yeah, there's these guys. These guys have beerists like 226 00:16:51,039 --> 00:16:56,720 sometimes helping them out. We Skoku Vajeta go on, Like I get it, 227 00:16:56,799 --> 00:17:03,279 because why why asked this like kid for all intensive purposes to be like 228 00:17:03,320 --> 00:17:04,640 the one who asked to save everyone? You know, why not get some 229 00:17:04,720 --> 00:17:07,680 help you know his dad's dead, might as well get help from his other 230 00:17:07,759 --> 00:17:15,480 dad. And also why didn't I understand that dragon Balls were destroyed in the 231 00:17:15,480 --> 00:17:18,440 future, but why couldn't he track down the dragon ball is to wish some 232 00:17:18,519 --> 00:17:23,480 people back, because yeah, Goku like everything from the Dragon Balls, even 233 00:17:23,519 --> 00:17:27,759 we learned about like Goku dying from the hard virus vegeta, none of those 234 00:17:27,839 --> 00:17:33,559 characters were brought back. So I just I was wondering that as well. 235 00:17:33,559 --> 00:17:34,799 It did he not try to track down the dragon Balls. I mean, 236 00:17:34,839 --> 00:17:38,200 Boma is there as well, she has the dragon Ralls. So when Piccolo 237 00:17:38,319 --> 00:17:44,160 dies, right like you kind of true the one those the dragon Balls, 238 00:17:44,279 --> 00:17:48,039 And I don't know his relationship with like the Mechians if he could find them, 239 00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:51,480 you know, and he doesn't clearly doesn't have those relationships with the gods 240 00:17:51,519 --> 00:17:53,440 that Goku established, yeah, to get the super Drag, to get the 241 00:17:53,480 --> 00:17:59,359 information and all of that. So yeah, there are limitations there, but 242 00:18:00,039 --> 00:18:03,920 I see what you mean theoretically, like maybe he could get Boma to design 243 00:18:04,559 --> 00:18:08,319 a dragon radar, I could find dragon Balls anywhere on the in the universe 244 00:18:08,359 --> 00:18:15,680 and stuff like that. I do want to say something that that's funny. 245 00:18:15,839 --> 00:18:22,359 Bar Jingo said, I wonder what would happen if Trunks found out May is 246 00:18:22,400 --> 00:18:26,480 older than Boma, which is a funny thought. I haven't had that thought, 247 00:18:26,519 --> 00:18:33,759 but I guess in a way Trunks is a milf hunter in a very 248 00:18:33,759 --> 00:18:40,000 weird way. But yeah, it's interesting, it's interesting to consider. Yeah, 249 00:18:40,119 --> 00:18:44,680 absolutely, Um, so, yeah, where do we want to go 250 00:18:44,799 --> 00:18:52,799 now? I mean, I guess I mean Black himself as this villain who 251 00:18:52,839 --> 00:19:00,160 we find out later is I think he's a Zoma sue from another time like 252 00:19:00,279 --> 00:19:07,440 dimension, right, another timeline him as a character who wished for Goku's body, 253 00:19:07,359 --> 00:19:12,119 yes, and then travel to find the others Amasu. Yeah, so 254 00:19:12,160 --> 00:19:15,759 I mean him he I mean again, I thought it was pretty sick how 255 00:19:15,799 --> 00:19:21,920 they have this Goku figure as well, and when I saw him kind of 256 00:19:21,960 --> 00:19:25,279 like how I said before, never put two and two together that it might 257 00:19:25,359 --> 00:19:30,000 be something completely different. Obviously he has at the beginning the Kai earring, 258 00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:33,599 so that would have been a good hint for me. But yeah, it's 259 00:19:33,799 --> 00:19:37,720 I didn't really catch that out first. Yeah, And I like that they 260 00:19:37,759 --> 00:19:41,519 give those little clues so people could actually like theorize about what it is, 261 00:19:41,799 --> 00:19:45,160 even though you know, because I imagine this is coming out weekly, which 262 00:19:45,200 --> 00:19:48,160 is how most people experienced it the first time. So you have all this 263 00:19:48,279 --> 00:19:52,720 time to like theorize about it, and you can watch YouTube videos and talk 264 00:19:52,759 --> 00:19:56,480 to people about what you think is the reasoning behind the earrings. And so 265 00:19:56,519 --> 00:20:00,839 there's a lot of like interesting stuff going on. Why you can't just jump 266 00:20:00,839 --> 00:20:04,000 to the next episode. But yeah, for sure that is interesting and you 267 00:20:04,079 --> 00:20:08,759 might not even notice it at first glance. Zecon asks if Goku Black is 268 00:20:08,799 --> 00:20:17,559 one of your favorite villains, one of my favorite villains, probably definitely from 269 00:20:17,599 --> 00:20:22,359 Super. I would say he is my favorite him in Zamasu, But in 270 00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:27,480 terms of comparing it to z I wouldn't say he's my favorite of the entire 271 00:20:27,519 --> 00:20:30,920 series, but definitely, you know, compared to who we've seen so far, 272 00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:37,319 I would say it's such an intriguing idea, right like evil Goku. 273 00:20:37,960 --> 00:20:44,359 And not only that, he even got the transformation. Super said Rose, 274 00:20:44,680 --> 00:20:49,640 which Rose, which kind of sounds like super lame, But he pulls it 275 00:20:49,680 --> 00:20:53,279 off. He pulls it off. I love when Vegeta says it too, 276 00:20:53,559 --> 00:21:00,759 Super saying Rose like it just sounds so absolutely ridiculous. You gotta take it 277 00:21:00,880 --> 00:21:03,720 seriously, even though it sounds ridiculous, but I mean it is a very 278 00:21:03,799 --> 00:21:10,519 cool looking transformation, and yeah, I love his different aura, but that's 279 00:21:10,559 --> 00:21:14,319 also similar to Super Sam Blue, but it has its own unique twist. 280 00:21:15,119 --> 00:21:18,720 Yeah. No, I mean, he was a pretty sick character and I 281 00:21:18,319 --> 00:21:22,279 liked how they were able to, you know, the character himself was cool, 282 00:21:22,319 --> 00:21:26,440 but they were able to keep that suspense for so many episodes, and 283 00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:33,720 finally they reveal like his background, and you know, later on we get 284 00:21:33,799 --> 00:21:38,200 him fighting like Trunks and Goku and then Zamba Sue comes out of Noah and 285 00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:41,400 he's like, no, like you have to say this. You said you 286 00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:44,359 were gonna save this fight for me, and you're like, what the hell. 287 00:21:44,599 --> 00:21:48,759 That's the other thing. There's such a mystery going on right because you're 288 00:21:48,839 --> 00:21:52,559 trying to figure out the whole time. Okay, so what's going on is 289 00:21:52,519 --> 00:21:56,799 who is this is the zama suit And then Zamaso shows up and it's like, 290 00:21:56,839 --> 00:22:00,240 oh, it can't be Zamasus just showed up. And then you jump 291 00:22:00,279 --> 00:22:03,039 to the next episode and it's like it is a Zamasu from a different timeline 292 00:22:03,039 --> 00:22:10,599 and it's to Playing the detective in this one was pretty fun and I did 293 00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:15,519 get the hint when Zamisu ended up fighting Goku for the first time, and 294 00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:22,279 he had that black like energy coming from his hand because he like he uses 295 00:22:22,279 --> 00:22:26,599 his hand as this you know, samurai sword kind of thing. So I 296 00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:29,160 got right when I saw that, I'm like, all right, this guy's 297 00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:33,640 definitely he's got to be black. And then seeing him separate from black, 298 00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:37,680 You're like, what the hell, what's going on? Yeah, And they 299 00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:41,359 don't even reveal they to worry right away. They fuck with you exactly. 300 00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:44,039 They fuck with you, and and I like that. I like that they 301 00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:48,160 keep you guessing like that. And again, they have ample fun with all 302 00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:52,200 of the time travel and the complexities of it. And I like kind of 303 00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:56,160 breaking the fourth wall sometimes going meta and being like, yeah, you know, 304 00:22:56,200 --> 00:22:59,200 in movies, that's not how time travel actually is. It's like this 305 00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:03,759 while we're watching pretty much a movie. So it's it's funny how you know, 306 00:23:03,799 --> 00:23:08,519 they separate themselves from other media even though it is media. So I 307 00:23:08,599 --> 00:23:15,799 like those little like nods to the viewer that's like, yeah, bro're we're 308 00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:19,000 having fun with the fact that we're also a TV series. Yeah, and 309 00:23:19,039 --> 00:23:22,920 you get that a lot in the Rally episode. Oh yeah, yeah, 310 00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:26,799 that was so funny, Like the way it started. It was so funny 311 00:23:26,799 --> 00:23:30,359 because they had to say that, right, they had to say, hey, 312 00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:34,000 this is a dragon Ball Super crossover episode, so don't change the channel 313 00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:37,759 because most people would be like, you know, what the fuck is this? 314 00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:42,920 Like I came for like badass dragon Ball fights and I'm getting like this 315 00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:48,519 little girl running around. So yeah, that was interesting as well. Yeah, 316 00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:52,599 one thing, I don't know how you felt about this, but I 317 00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:56,559 mean, so far, I've never really had any problems with Goku as a 318 00:23:56,680 --> 00:24:00,400 character. I mean, I love, you know, his worldview. Even 319 00:24:00,559 --> 00:24:04,799 Krilling at the end there compliments the way he views the world and how he's 320 00:24:04,799 --> 00:24:10,039 always so like positive, and I love that about him. But this was 321 00:24:10,079 --> 00:24:12,880 the first arc where he just started to get a bit on my nerves at 322 00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:18,000 time, Like when he ended up begging Samasu to fight him. He did 323 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:22,519 it a few times like please please, like fight me, fight me, 324 00:24:22,599 --> 00:24:23,920 and I'm just like, all right, he's turning to act like an annoying 325 00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:27,799 kid. I don't know, have you got that vibe? Wait, Goku, 326 00:24:29,279 --> 00:24:33,240 Goku? Like there were times where he was just a little too kind 327 00:24:33,279 --> 00:24:37,160 of persistent in annoying. Yeah, where he was just like, no, 328 00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:40,839 please fight me, please fight A lot of people. A lot of people 329 00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:45,640 commented on like a change in Goku because he seemed to go to this like 330 00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:51,559 badass almost in Dragging Ball Z. Right, there was definitely that transition, 331 00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:55,759 and then in Dragon Ball Super he kind of goes back to that, you 332 00:24:55,799 --> 00:25:00,279 know, kind of kid childishness, which I don't think he ever really escaped, 333 00:25:00,559 --> 00:25:06,759 but there was definitely more of a badass controlled edge to him and Dragon 334 00:25:06,759 --> 00:25:10,200 Ball Z. Yeah, but yeah, I know what you mean. It's 335 00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:15,680 it's almost noticeable how different he is. He seems to have become more naive 336 00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:19,079 again, more of a like a kid again, and that's something that, 337 00:25:19,279 --> 00:25:25,640 yeah, you'll notice in Dragon Ball Super. Yeah, but I mean still 338 00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:30,839 love him as a character. I just found the more we both progressed through 339 00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:33,920 Super, you know, the more he has those kind of annoying moments where 340 00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:37,519 he gets on my nerves. I mean thinking, I don't know if it 341 00:25:37,559 --> 00:25:41,400 was the last episode we did, the episode before when he's with Beerris and 342 00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:45,880 he or he's with Weiss about training for the first time and he can't be 343 00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:48,079 patient. I'm like, all right, let's let's stop this. Let's stop 344 00:25:48,079 --> 00:25:51,599 piling this on like this is getting on my nerves. Yeah, no, 345 00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:53,559 I know what you mean. Like this time going back, I wasn't really 346 00:25:55,559 --> 00:25:59,240 I guess I've accepted Goku being like that, but the first time I was 347 00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:02,680 watching, Yeah, it was noticeable to me to the difference between Goku and 348 00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:08,680 Super and in Dragon Ball Z. Yeah, so you're not alone definitely in 349 00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:14,559 that observation. What else do we want? Where do we want to jump 350 00:26:14,599 --> 00:26:18,200 to? Now? Like I thought it was super sick, like Trunk's aspect 351 00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:22,240 of it. So let's even go back before the fight. I like how 352 00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:27,519 he went to the past again and then had like that little conversation with Gohan, 353 00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:33,000 and you know, it surprised him a bit to see that Gohan wasn't, 354 00:26:33,039 --> 00:26:36,759 you know, the badass fighter, But yet it made him really happy 355 00:26:36,839 --> 00:26:41,160 to see that, Hey, he's gotten this beautiful life with Videl, his 356 00:26:42,039 --> 00:26:48,920 grand like Videl's grandparents, right, his Gohan's parents and the pans. So 357 00:26:48,559 --> 00:26:53,880 yeah, it's really cool. The contrast, he could really appreciate just sitting 358 00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:59,519 on a bench and eating some ice cream, right, It just seems so 359 00:27:00,079 --> 00:27:03,799 crazy for him to consider that, and yet he realizes how nice it is 360 00:27:03,839 --> 00:27:11,319 that Gohan can experience this more chill worldline. Yeah, and it really helped 361 00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:15,480 me appreciate Gohan more as a character because at first, I mean, I've 362 00:27:15,519 --> 00:27:18,839 talked about this so far in Super I was looking at things through how Trunks 363 00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:22,079 saw them in terms of, like, he's just confused. Why isn't this 364 00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:26,640 guy trying to improve himself? And he was you know many times in Dragon 365 00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:32,440 ball Z like the Star, and here he is just he's become like an 366 00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:37,079 academic and again he's eating ice cream and he's not caring about improving himself as 367 00:27:37,079 --> 00:27:41,200 a martial artist and just a fighter in general. And then you just get 368 00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:42,640 that moment at the end where Trunks is like he's actually, you know what, 369 00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:48,599 like he's living his fullest life, Like he got to appreciate what he's 370 00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:52,880 doing. He's loving his life. He's finding great meaning and being like a 371 00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:57,440 family man and in academics. So, you know, this really helping. 372 00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:00,599 That episode really helped me just a she go as a character. She doesn't 373 00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:06,559 need to be like everyone else, And all the Gohan parts are pretty wholesome, 374 00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:12,200 like they're pretty heartwarming whenever I watched them. And again this is as 375 00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:18,000 I'm matured, like five years ago, I'm like and sometimes still I'm like, 376 00:28:18,079 --> 00:28:21,960 yeah, I want that badass Gohan back. But you know, you 377 00:28:22,039 --> 00:28:26,799 watch different kinds of animn like demon Slayers one of them, and they prioritize 378 00:28:26,839 --> 00:28:32,440 other things besides just being the strongest, like you know, relationships like connection 379 00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:37,279 to other human beings, and yeah, you know it, Gohan, you 380 00:28:37,319 --> 00:28:41,319 know foughts. He was a fighter, will probably still fight as like you 381 00:28:41,359 --> 00:28:45,720 know, martial artists practicing here and there. But you don't need to be 382 00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:52,079 the strongest fighter to be a good, you know, fulfilled human being. 383 00:28:52,519 --> 00:28:56,359 And I think these extra moments show that, even though that does mean that 384 00:28:56,440 --> 00:29:02,440 in a battle focus shown in he's not going to have the spotlight, which 385 00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:06,400 is fine, right, Like you can't expect him too because obviously people are 386 00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:11,000 watching for the cool fights. But still I do have a newfound appreciation as 387 00:29:11,039 --> 00:29:15,799 I grow older for a Gohan's character. And let's face it, he probably 388 00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:19,359 has I don't want to say the strongest, that's kind of a subjective term, 389 00:29:19,359 --> 00:29:25,519 but he probably has the healthiest relationship out of all of the characters, 390 00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:29,400 right him and his wife. And even at the end there when you know 391 00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:33,599 there's that the one guy Flaunce, how it looks like Gohan cheated on her, 392 00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:37,200 like she doesn't even believe it. I mean, v Dell is insane 393 00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:44,079 to the extent that she's like the perfect wife for him, because bro, 394 00:29:44,839 --> 00:29:49,359 a lot of women would not be like that. You just show straight up 395 00:29:49,759 --> 00:29:56,440 a video or a picture of your husband kissing another woman. You know, 396 00:29:56,400 --> 00:30:00,759 it was heartwarming, but also like super rare that a woman would just be 397 00:30:00,799 --> 00:30:03,519 like, no, there's a good explanation, get the fuck out of here, 398 00:30:03,839 --> 00:30:11,000 Like amazing, like props to Videll, but definitely not something you'd see 399 00:30:11,039 --> 00:30:15,200 often. No, But like I loved that, just how she didn't just 400 00:30:15,279 --> 00:30:18,519 go off the deep end right away and get super angry, like she's like, 401 00:30:18,559 --> 00:30:22,359 there must be an explanation for this, and sure enough there was, 402 00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:26,599 so yes, So I'm really liking Bedell's acar. I mean, she's amazing. 403 00:30:26,759 --> 00:30:33,160 She like Gohan v Dell relationship goals like that that should be everyone's relationship 404 00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:37,599 goals to love each other and support each other that much. I think it's 405 00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:41,119 amazing, And yeah, you're completely right they I do think they have the 406 00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:47,720 best dynamic in the sense of healthy, right, But obviously Chichi Goku is 407 00:30:48,359 --> 00:30:53,359 entertaining, and then you have eighteen and Krillan are usually pretty pretty great, 408 00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:57,920 but there was a focus on eighteen kind of wanting Krillan to man up in 409 00:30:59,279 --> 00:31:03,000 one of the episode. Yeah she did that here. And speaking of just 410 00:31:03,599 --> 00:31:08,480 like relationships and dynamics, how about Goku admitting that he's never kissed chee chee 411 00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:15,359 dudeking out. I'm so glad you brought that off. Oh my god. 412 00:31:15,519 --> 00:31:21,319 Yeah, you had this situation where Gogs like, what's that? And then 413 00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:23,200 but she was like, bro, you have a wife, you have kids, 414 00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:26,799 and you're like, so, why would I do that? Then Magina 415 00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:32,799 gets like his face gets red because he's probably like way more romantic than Goku. 416 00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:38,279 Secretly, it's just it's so funny. It's so good man, Oh 417 00:31:38,319 --> 00:31:45,160 my god. Like that's one of the moments where you might argue Goku gets 418 00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:49,359 too simple to like naive. But fuck, if that wasn't entertaining, I 419 00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:53,039 don't know what is. That was hilarious. Yeah, no, that was 420 00:31:53,079 --> 00:31:57,160 awesome. So I mean that relationship itself. I would love to be a 421 00:31:57,160 --> 00:32:00,680 fly on the wall and see what they was. It seems like for the 422 00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:04,000 most part, as an outsider, all we get is it's Goku. I 423 00:32:04,119 --> 00:32:08,599 was just wandering off getting into apparently what it seems like is they just have 424 00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:15,160 sex sometimes and they don't caress and everyone's cool with it. Uh No, 425 00:32:15,359 --> 00:32:21,799 Yeah, that's that's hilarious. That little detail was enough to like make that 426 00:32:21,839 --> 00:32:23,519 whole episode. I don't even remember, Like the episode is probably fine, 427 00:32:23,599 --> 00:32:28,359 but that little detail would have made a whole episode for me. Yeah. 428 00:32:29,119 --> 00:32:32,920 Yeah, I mean relationships definitely in the show are pretty interesting. Yeah, 429 00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:37,680 you weren't there, but in the anime, Virgin Briggs said something like loving 430 00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:43,240 your wife is cringe. Like he said something like out of context obviously, 431 00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:45,920 but it's such a funny quote that Sam just brought up, and that is 432 00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:52,400 literally like Goku's philosophy. He's like, he's like he doesn't know what love 433 00:32:52,519 --> 00:32:57,359 is. He doesn't care about like relationship stuff. He's just like, yeah, 434 00:32:57,599 --> 00:33:00,200 I don't know. We just have this, you know, partnership where 435 00:33:00,799 --> 00:33:04,640 we have kids. I don't need to actually like watch over the kids, 436 00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:07,640 and we have sex and I don't know what making out is or going on 437 00:33:07,759 --> 00:33:13,079 dates. But yeah, life is good. So another reason why Vegeta can 438 00:33:13,079 --> 00:33:17,359 get jealous about Goku because, like Vegeta, I think at least he shows 439 00:33:17,359 --> 00:33:22,279 on the outside he wants that, Like so many times he's going on different 440 00:33:22,279 --> 00:33:24,799 trips and things, and he doesn't want to show any sort of intimacy or 441 00:33:24,799 --> 00:33:29,400 appreciation about what he's doing. And Goku could just go about doing that and 442 00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:31,680 not have to even try, Like that's just how he is. He just 443 00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:38,160 doesn't show any sort of intimacy, and it goes to show naiveness, right, 444 00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:43,799 the pureheartedness that has kind of been focused on since Dragon Ball. But 445 00:33:44,039 --> 00:33:47,359 yeah, it's interesting that he could go from you know, being older to 446 00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:54,000 having sex to having kids without ever like giving in to that lust for cheat 447 00:33:54,039 --> 00:33:58,599 cheet. He's just like, no, you know, I just I'm a 448 00:33:58,799 --> 00:34:01,000 I'm a guy who doesn't think about that stuff. So it's pretty interesting. 449 00:34:01,519 --> 00:34:07,079 Yeah. So yeah, I mean that was I liked that. I think 450 00:34:07,079 --> 00:34:09,760 this all came back to you saying how you liked them going back to the 451 00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:15,360 present and looking at go Home. I did like the other moment as well, 452 00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:21,119 when present Trunks ends up criticizing future Trunks. It's like you have to 453 00:34:21,159 --> 00:34:23,760 like man up. Yeah, there was some man up moments there, like 454 00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:30,079 we'll get it later with krillin too. But yeah, imagine because sometimes I've 455 00:34:30,119 --> 00:34:35,320 heard this like psychological or even in art. Sometimes you get like, you 456 00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:38,559 know, the idea of like failing your younger self and let's say, looking 457 00:34:38,559 --> 00:34:40,920 at a picture of being, like yo, what would that person think of 458 00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:45,519 who I become? Kind of thing, And here you actually get it literally 459 00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:51,800 where the young self can comment on the future self. And yeah, it's 460 00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:57,800 so fascinating that whole concept, and obviously he helps him get knocked out of 461 00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:01,320 that funk. Yeah, yeah, I mean it was so interesting to see 462 00:35:01,639 --> 00:35:06,519 present Trunks come face to face with future Trunks because I've thought about that before, 463 00:35:06,599 --> 00:35:08,559 like what would it be what would it be like if you could see 464 00:35:08,599 --> 00:35:13,719 both of them? And it's funny because no one really thought of the like 465 00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:19,280 repercussions of present Trunks being so young seeing his future self. They're just like, 466 00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:22,480 yeah, like Herry ever got to help future Trunks and like he was 467 00:35:22,519 --> 00:35:24,480 just left to the size and he thought, man like this probably I don't 468 00:35:24,519 --> 00:35:28,960 want to say maybe traumatic, but that's a lot to take in to see 469 00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:31,639 your future self there. So that was kind of interesting and it was interesting 470 00:35:31,639 --> 00:35:36,400 as well to see future Trunks. I'd mentioned this, I think the last 471 00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:42,000 episode. Wouldn't it be funny to see future Trunks witnessed the relationship between Krillin 472 00:35:42,079 --> 00:35:45,800 and eighteen, and sure, how Fran when he sees Yeah, he's like 473 00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:49,199 freaked the fuck out. I remember when you brought that up as well, 474 00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:52,239 You're like, oh, how is he gonna respond to eight No? Yeah, 475 00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:54,400 that was hilarious. Here's someone who killed his entire family and she's like 476 00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:58,199 all his friends And this is why you gotta love eighteen. She even jokes 477 00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:02,559 about it right at the end, she leads them on, but actually she 478 00:36:02,599 --> 00:36:08,719 has a kid with Krillin. Man Ah. I love Ade absolutely. So 479 00:36:09,199 --> 00:36:15,480 yeah. I loved those moments going you know, to the present and you 480 00:36:15,519 --> 00:36:21,760 know, Trunks being able to just you know, encounter different characters that maybe 481 00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:23,960 he hasn't encountered so far. But anyways, I mean, I think it 482 00:36:24,039 --> 00:36:30,519 gets really interesting when everyone starts going to the future and again we see those 483 00:36:30,559 --> 00:36:36,000 fights, and I loved um. I mean, different characters, you know, 484 00:36:36,119 --> 00:36:39,639 shine in different ways. But I did love Trunks the way he was 485 00:36:39,679 --> 00:36:45,079 able to shine during certain moments. And I did get like Gohan type vibes 486 00:36:45,119 --> 00:36:49,280 from Trunks. There were moments where he like, you can't see his pupils 487 00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:53,360 and he's filled with anger. So that was really. Yeah, And obviously 488 00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:59,639 there's like a parallel there, right, because they're both that half blooded saying 489 00:37:00,199 --> 00:37:04,239 and they're supposed to have the most potential, right, Yeah, and then 490 00:37:05,159 --> 00:37:09,480 Trunks kept being a fighter, whereas Gohan had the opportunity to build a family 491 00:37:09,519 --> 00:37:15,159 and stuff like that. Future Trunks ended up remaining a fighter, and so 492 00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:17,960 yeah, it's very interesting to see. It's like what would have happened with 493 00:37:19,039 --> 00:37:23,119 Gohan if he was forced to remain a fighter. And I guess that helps 494 00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:30,039 it to some extent with all of his power scaling, because wow, does 495 00:37:30,079 --> 00:37:36,599 he ever get strong in this arc, like his rapid progress too. I 496 00:37:36,639 --> 00:37:38,880 don't even know what that's called, guys. Maybe it's like some people called 497 00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:44,800 it rage mode or something, but Supersaian rage or something. But he gets 498 00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:49,639 into that transformation where he's a super Saian but he has the god key around 499 00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:52,519 him, right. I don't know if there was ever like amazing explanation for 500 00:37:52,639 --> 00:37:59,000 that, but he definitely at one point got to Supersian blue level, if 501 00:37:59,079 --> 00:38:04,079 not more than at So it was interesting to see that progress. Yeah, 502 00:38:04,159 --> 00:38:09,480 and I actually do appreciate that ambiguity that you know when he's powering up, 503 00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:15,360 because so much in Dragon Ball Z and Dragon Ball Super it's like you need 504 00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:19,519 to see a physical appearance to know someone's strength, but I did like the 505 00:38:19,519 --> 00:38:22,000 idea of how it was a bit more ambiguous. He didn't look like he 506 00:38:22,039 --> 00:38:25,079 was maybe still like Super Saian too, but he was totally surpassed that. 507 00:38:25,599 --> 00:38:29,360 So um, yeah, I did you know. I loved seeing him power 508 00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:35,360 up, Like I mentioned before, love the esthetics of the fight between him 509 00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:43,639 black and his resiliency and Zamasu, and yeah, like there relevant, right, 510 00:38:44,159 --> 00:38:46,119 and yeah, a part of it was like what the fuck is going 511 00:38:46,159 --> 00:38:51,639 on? But it was still hype the whole time and we'll get the magito. 512 00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:55,239 But I also think it's cool how Yes Trunks stepped up to try to 513 00:38:55,280 --> 00:39:00,480 save his own timeline and then he ended up using the sword in like a 514 00:39:00,519 --> 00:39:06,519 spirit bomb esque way where he drained like you know, borrowed energy from everybody 515 00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:10,440 and then used it to almost finish off Zamassu. But because of the whole 516 00:39:12,519 --> 00:39:16,360 wish to be immortal, it got complicated, right, But it was really 517 00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:22,679 cool moment for future Trunks, Like he definitely shined in this arc, and 518 00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:25,440 I like that because it's kind of his story, right, So if goquin 519 00:39:25,519 --> 00:39:29,760 Vigia just came in and solved everything. It kind of wouldn't have felt as 520 00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:36,239 good as this when he takes the sword like light sword and just bam finishes 521 00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:39,559 off the enemy to the extent he can be finished off without Zeno coming into 522 00:39:39,559 --> 00:39:44,360 the picture. Yeah, no, I did like how he took control, 523 00:39:44,679 --> 00:39:50,039 especially at the end there, and he even used m. Vegina's technique what's 524 00:39:50,119 --> 00:39:54,440 name of it? Gallic gun yea too. I'm like, yeah, bro, 525 00:39:54,599 --> 00:40:01,119 because because it's such a it's a complicated relationship, because like Vegeta isn't 526 00:40:01,199 --> 00:40:07,000 his actual father because in the time he's dead, but he pretty much is 527 00:40:07,159 --> 00:40:14,920 right and and giving Boma and Vegeta a chance to be his parents from the 528 00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:17,599 past a chance to be his parents is so nice because he lost that. 529 00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:23,320 And yeah, I thought that was really cool. I thought. But anyway, 530 00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:29,519 it was kind of like corny, kind of over the top, but 531 00:40:29,599 --> 00:40:36,039 I liked the dynamic between Vegeta and Trunks and yeah, it made me smile. 532 00:40:36,159 --> 00:40:39,639 I really enjoyed it. Like even when they were leaving and Vegeta like, 533 00:40:39,679 --> 00:40:44,360 you know, he can't say something loving, so he kind of like 534 00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:46,800 just goes in to like go for a fight. And it's his way of 535 00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:51,960 saying goodbye. Ah Man gave me goose bumps. I just felt really good. 536 00:40:52,519 --> 00:40:55,599 Yeah, and that's why I did feel bad for future Trunks, because 537 00:40:57,360 --> 00:41:00,039 yeah, I mean, besides my I mean, he lost Boma, he 538 00:41:00,079 --> 00:41:05,760 lost his mother, so he really doesn't have anything left there, and it's 539 00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:09,159 almost like when he comes and crosses timelines, it's almost like his way to 540 00:41:09,199 --> 00:41:14,239 be like, yeah, like I likes my family, Yeah, I wanted 541 00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:16,239 to see them, and you feel bad for him in that sense, Yeah, 542 00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:23,960 exactly, And like there was first of all, let's talk about Vegito, 543 00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:27,280 if you have anything to say about that, and then we'll get to 544 00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:31,199 something Zeken mentioned, which is how this arc ends. But yeah, first, 545 00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:37,639 what did you think about the whole Vegito thing and the fact that you 546 00:41:37,639 --> 00:41:43,000 know, they kind of changed the rules of the potaro earrings. Yeah, 547 00:41:43,079 --> 00:41:46,760 yeah, that's funny how sometimes they just drop little things in there to help 548 00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:52,880 make things make more sense. So yeah, I thought it was cool how 549 00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:59,360 they resorted to Vegeto. I thought they might when Zamasu ended up fusing with 550 00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:04,039 the others. I'm a sue, so I did see that potentially like happening. 551 00:42:04,159 --> 00:42:07,800 I thought that might get a reoccurrence because at that point though, I 552 00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:12,599 did recognize before they fuse and they said they we're gonna fuse, I'm like, 553 00:42:12,599 --> 00:42:15,679 oh shit, how does this affect like the mortality there? Because now 554 00:42:15,679 --> 00:42:21,280 you have someone who didn't wish that he was immortal to be with someone who 555 00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:23,440 is immortal. Does that affect things? So I did think that might be 556 00:42:23,519 --> 00:42:30,159 like his like his flaw there, you know, thinking I'm gonna get so 557 00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:34,320 powerful by fusing. But at the same time that could end up back from 558 00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:38,679 the large way. It did kind of but not necessarily completely. Yeah, 559 00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:43,280 but what what they have gotten to that spot at the end when you know 560 00:42:43,559 --> 00:42:47,400 he ended up whatever he did explode or whatever happened at the end, and 561 00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:50,639 then you could get that kind of gas in the air. But anyways, 562 00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:52,840 going back to Viginto, I thought that was pretty cool. It was cool 563 00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:59,920 to see Vegeto like super saying blue and he was, let's face it, 564 00:43:00,039 --> 00:43:07,119 like he was kicking his ass. Until obviously the earrings they reached on a 565 00:43:07,199 --> 00:43:12,639 certain threshold that they couldn't sustain the fusion state for that long amount of times. 566 00:43:12,639 --> 00:43:15,639 So bro, yeah, we needed that, man, We need it. 567 00:43:16,039 --> 00:43:20,280 Every time we get like a new level. We need to see Magito 568 00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:25,800 and obviously they're not going to let him just be the solution to every problem, 569 00:43:27,039 --> 00:43:30,239 right, And there's like saying pride involved in that and stuff like that. 570 00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:37,800 But yeah, it's so so satisfying to see fucking Super saying blue Vegito 571 00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:43,159 again dragon Ball Super is so good at giving the fans what they want, 572 00:43:43,559 --> 00:43:46,960 right, and that was just so hype And of course he couldn't solve the 573 00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:51,599 whole problem. That kind of would have would have been weird, and so 574 00:43:51,679 --> 00:43:54,679 they decided to give it to us for a bit. But then they had 575 00:43:54,719 --> 00:43:59,199 the new rule, I guess, or you could say that, you know, 576 00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:04,400 you could argue that it was always the rule that they separate after a 577 00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:09,800 certain time if they're not Supreme Cuys, and and because of that, because 578 00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:15,400 they were using more energy, they separated quicker. Pretty random, but you 579 00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:20,199 know, hey, it is what it is. Yeah, but no, 580 00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:24,599 I love that. I love the throwbacks in Super and seeing Vegeto was awesome 581 00:44:24,639 --> 00:44:29,480 because we talked about it back then with Z and how if I wanted to 582 00:44:29,519 --> 00:44:32,480 see a fusion, I'd love to see Goku and Vegeta. And sure enough 583 00:44:32,519 --> 00:44:36,920 it's cool too. It's the most high like it's it's arguably the most hype 584 00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:42,400 thing in dragon Ball like period. And sometimes I'd like to sort of even 585 00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:45,639 though he doesn't need it because he's so opee, I'd like for them to 586 00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:51,159 almost reach a new level with Vegito, like a new transformation or something that 587 00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:53,519 they haven't reached. A loan like that would be fucking and say, yeah, 588 00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:58,960 but maybe that's just wishing for too much. Yeah, because I don't 589 00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:02,159 think they would ever unless it was like in the moment when they have to 590 00:45:02,159 --> 00:45:07,800 resort to it. They would never want to like train as Vegeto. But 591 00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:12,079 it's so interesting because yeah, you had go Tanks reached from stand three, 592 00:45:12,159 --> 00:45:15,840 which they didn't alone, so it's possible. But yeah, Vegito just he's 593 00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:20,519 so strong that he can just flex on opponents and he's never had to actually 594 00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:27,519 push himself that far. Yeah. No, I appreciated that, you know, 595 00:45:27,559 --> 00:45:30,960 appearance there of Vegito, But sure enough, as we kind of said, 596 00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:35,840 it doesn't last. And I guess it goes to show as well, 597 00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:38,960 like in the future if we see Vegito again, how are they going to 598 00:45:39,119 --> 00:45:43,519 end up sustaining that power? I guess it's like you said, it's not 599 00:45:43,639 --> 00:45:47,320 like going to be this probably reoccurring thing, right, It's going to be 600 00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:52,480 maybe every once in a while. But obviously he didn't last long and that 601 00:45:52,599 --> 00:45:58,559 vegeto, Yeah, exactly, transformation, So that's kind of supers way of 602 00:45:58,679 --> 00:46:01,119 giving it to us. But all so being like, yeah, this can't 603 00:46:01,159 --> 00:46:06,679 be, this can't be a constant thing, right because the power will just 604 00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:12,800 drain too fast unless they find that work around. So yeah, I mean 605 00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:19,280 and of course by you know, them unfusing, it gave you know, 606 00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:22,320 trunk way for Trumps to be able to shine the exactly take you know, 607 00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:27,519 matters in his own hand. The story definitely needed it, and Trunk's got 608 00:46:27,519 --> 00:46:32,440 to actually shine, which I loved. Um, So what what else did 609 00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:36,440 I want to mention about that? Obviously Trump's form, as we said, 610 00:46:36,599 --> 00:46:40,159 was really cool. Uh. Then we have the gas moment where what did 611 00:46:40,159 --> 00:46:45,880 you think of that when he actually destroyed the physical body but then the gas 612 00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:51,239 started combining with the universe. Yeah, I do have to say I didn't 613 00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:57,880 expect that kind of It's interesting. It's interesting because I mean you could say, 614 00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:00,079 in a way they want right, and this is what some anime do. 615 00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:07,800 They do They have a moment where the character wins. But then let's 616 00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:15,519 say something some unfair there. They serve the enemy survives in an unfair way, 617 00:47:15,639 --> 00:47:19,559 like being immortal, and then uh, like do X mocking out like 618 00:47:19,559 --> 00:47:22,039 a god comes in to kind of solve the problem or a situation comes in 619 00:47:22,119 --> 00:47:25,440 to solve itself. They do kind of have that, and I'm okay with 620 00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:30,599 it as long as there's a there's a quote unquote victory before that happens. 621 00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:35,719 And the quote unquote victory was when Trunks destroy the physical body. So I 622 00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:39,000 was okay with that, And it was interesting because it was unique seemingly to 623 00:47:39,119 --> 00:47:43,679 Dragon Ball, because I don't recall a situation like that before. No, 624 00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:45,960 yeah, and I was fine with that. Dave's x mocking a moment with 625 00:47:46,599 --> 00:47:52,719 Zeno coming in, Like you said, I think the one time that there 626 00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:57,239 was a problem what that moment was in that movie when the technology fails and 627 00:47:57,320 --> 00:48:01,079 that becomes the reason why like they prevail, And I thought that was kind 628 00:48:01,119 --> 00:48:04,440 of a cheap way to go by doing it. But no, I was 629 00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:07,559 fine with with Zeno coming in and taking care of it because it kind of 630 00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:14,519 shows zenos. Yeah, yeah, exactly, and like what's this and what's 631 00:48:14,519 --> 00:48:17,360 this dude gonna do? Like, why would Zeno let his whole like universe 632 00:48:19,039 --> 00:48:23,039 be taken over by this? Being like fuck that? Yeah, And I'll 633 00:48:23,079 --> 00:48:27,760 be honest with the I was. It got to the point where, let's 634 00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:30,960 face it, there were a lot of episodes of you know, just fighting, 635 00:48:31,079 --> 00:48:36,119 definitely nowhere near like Freezer, but it gets to the point where, 636 00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:40,519 you know, Trunks has that dramatic moment where he slashes him in half, 637 00:48:40,559 --> 00:48:45,639 and are we just going to keep dragging this on and on? Like like 638 00:48:45,679 --> 00:48:47,480 you know what I mean, Like we got what we wanted there. Um, 639 00:48:49,199 --> 00:48:51,960 I'm fine with ending it the way it did, was Zeno coming in 640 00:48:52,039 --> 00:48:53,960 and just being like, yeah, I'm going to just take care of this 641 00:48:54,039 --> 00:48:59,199 and it's to disappear. Yeah, And I think Super has been good with 642 00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:05,280 that with not like pulling a Dragon ball Z amount of episodes to finish a 643 00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:08,639 fight. Yeah. And plus I mean we kind of get a hint that 644 00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:13,960 Zeno will be useful when we didn't talk about this, but when Goku ends 645 00:49:14,039 --> 00:49:17,239 up seeing him and Zeno just wants a friend, and then he ends up 646 00:49:17,239 --> 00:49:21,559 giving him the button saying whenever you pressed a button, like I'll be here. 647 00:49:22,039 --> 00:49:23,000 So you know, at the back of my head, I'm thinking that's 648 00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:27,719 probably gonna be relevant in one way or another within this arc. And sure 649 00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:31,760 enough, it was so good on Goku to use his head there, and 650 00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:37,480 there's a philosophy there with like, oh shit, we'll figure itself out. 651 00:49:37,559 --> 00:49:42,800 Obviously, Goku takes it to an absurd level almost where he promises the ultimate 652 00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:46,760 being that can erase everything in the blink of an eye, something that could 653 00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:52,199 have an emotional reaction if he fails to deliver, and everyone recognizes that. 654 00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:54,679 But I like how Goku is just like, yeah, I don't know, 655 00:49:54,760 --> 00:50:00,000 I don't have anybody in mind, but we'll figure it out. I envy 656 00:50:00,039 --> 00:50:04,960 a level of like just trust that things will work out. Yeah, No, 657 00:50:05,079 --> 00:50:07,480 I respect that about him, and that's what as we mentioned, like 658 00:50:07,559 --> 00:50:13,039 Krillan respects that about him as well, just how he's confident things will work 659 00:50:13,039 --> 00:50:16,239 out, like we don't need to overstress about things. So, yeah, 660 00:50:16,239 --> 00:50:19,719 it was cool how you know he was able to use his head there, 661 00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:23,679 and then we get that very sedimental ending after with Trunks and May going into 662 00:50:23,719 --> 00:50:31,199 another timeline and yeah, which was the interesting thing there was they're both going 663 00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:37,119 to have doppelgangers kind of thing in that timeline. So that's very interesting. 664 00:50:37,159 --> 00:50:38,840 Obviously, it doesn't really matter. They could go live in a cabin or 665 00:50:38,840 --> 00:50:43,199 something, and or they could or they could be friends. Like it just 666 00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:46,239 might be weird with like which buy is mine, which one's yours? But 667 00:50:46,679 --> 00:50:51,920 other than that, and I guess, I mean, did they do that 668 00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:55,480 because they just they've complicated the present so much they don't want to stay in 669 00:50:55,519 --> 00:51:00,519 the present because if you think about it, they've felt great relationship. That's 670 00:51:00,519 --> 00:51:02,000 a good question the people in the present, dude, that's a really good 671 00:51:02,079 --> 00:51:07,239 question. And yeah, so Zeken for example, asked like earlier on what 672 00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:10,920 did you think of that ending, saying it was controversial because they kind of 673 00:51:12,079 --> 00:51:15,320 lost what they were fighting for, right, Yeah, they were fighting for 674 00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:20,960 that timeline, and so they still lost that even though in a way they 675 00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:25,119 can have that. Those people still disappeared right from that timeline. So that's 676 00:51:25,199 --> 00:51:29,559 kind of like how does that sit with you kind of thing. And then 677 00:51:30,679 --> 00:51:34,519 when they go to that other thing, like were you satisfied with just them 678 00:51:34,559 --> 00:51:38,280 surviving and and what did it feel fine since they were going to have a 679 00:51:38,360 --> 00:51:44,679 whole timeline with like everybody who died, or is it more like, well, 680 00:51:44,719 --> 00:51:50,559 those guys still died, and that's not fun. I'm still processing it 681 00:51:50,599 --> 00:51:54,679 because in a way, I think I would have respected them going back to 682 00:51:54,760 --> 00:52:00,360 the future, because, let's face it, like unlike a show like Attack 683 00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:04,639 on Titan, where everything is just so finite, right, like characters die 684 00:52:05,239 --> 00:52:08,199 like they die like it changes history. Like with Dragon Ball, you had 685 00:52:08,199 --> 00:52:12,880 so many moments where you know the stakes are raised, but then you just 686 00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:15,760 know they're able to wish things back. And I think it would have been 687 00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:17,960 actually interesting if they said, you know what, let's go back to the 688 00:52:17,960 --> 00:52:22,199 future and just have to start our life based on all the all of these 689 00:52:22,239 --> 00:52:27,400 losses, Like we can't just wish our life back to being perfect. The 690 00:52:27,519 --> 00:52:32,199 problem is there's no world to go back to after Zeno, right. I 691 00:52:32,239 --> 00:52:37,239 think Zeno pretty much erased everything, well he erased that. Did he erase 692 00:52:37,320 --> 00:52:40,719 all of the like resistance people that were there. No, I think he 693 00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:45,679 literally like just erased the everything everything in that whole thing. So that's why 694 00:52:45,679 --> 00:52:50,920 he had to leave too, because he was bored there and they had nowhere 695 00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:53,360 to go, right, So it's like the planet isn't even left all right, 696 00:52:53,400 --> 00:52:58,679 so it's not even to erase Zamas's presence. They had to just like 697 00:53:00,079 --> 00:53:05,880 create nothingness by erasing everything. Yeah, all right, then in that case, 698 00:53:05,920 --> 00:53:08,159 I mean, I guess I'm fine with them going somewhere else. I 699 00:53:08,159 --> 00:53:14,199 wonder if he'll be relevant again, because I did love Future Trunks throughout Dragon. 700 00:53:14,239 --> 00:53:16,840 But I do think you raised a good question, which was why couldn't 701 00:53:17,360 --> 00:53:21,760 And perhaps, like you know, some hardcore fans know when to chat, 702 00:53:21,880 --> 00:53:27,239 but why couldn't. Yeah, Future Trunks just remain here, I mean arguably 703 00:53:27,480 --> 00:53:30,719 because Beeriss and Wee are more present here and they don't like fucking with time. 704 00:53:31,559 --> 00:53:36,800 Perhaps that's like one reason. And it's a bit different from their actual 705 00:53:36,840 --> 00:53:39,920 time where they belong because it's you know, back in the past rather than 706 00:53:39,960 --> 00:53:44,239 the same time, and maybe it's less complicated when they're around the same time. 707 00:53:45,360 --> 00:53:47,320 But no, Yeah, that's an interesting question because I could totally see 708 00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:53,039 them fitting in with with the people around them. They've made friends, they 709 00:53:53,119 --> 00:53:59,880 know everybody. It might be weird if Future Trunks leaves my for a young 710 00:54:00,480 --> 00:54:04,920 when she's like twenty, but we'll see, Oh my god, they'd be 711 00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:09,960 hilarious. Yeah, but no, it's it's just like a random thing that 712 00:54:10,039 --> 00:54:14,840 I didn't even consider but you're right, like they could have fit in well 713 00:54:15,280 --> 00:54:20,000 there, but it might have complicated the story too much. Yeah, yeah 714 00:54:20,079 --> 00:54:23,320 for sure. So I mean, overall, I thought this was an amazing 715 00:54:23,480 --> 00:54:29,519 arc. I liked how the kis were relevant. Again, I liked how 716 00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:35,960 creative they were coming up with this Goku look alike, and I loved the 717 00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:38,840 future Trunks throwback. So, like I said, it was I think an 718 00:54:38,840 --> 00:54:42,880 overall great arc. I mean, we could now touch on we don't have 719 00:54:42,880 --> 00:54:45,559 to go into that much detail, but touch on some of those fillers, 720 00:54:45,559 --> 00:54:49,079 because again I thought the fillers were no super underrated as well. They were 721 00:54:49,119 --> 00:54:51,920 good and at first, the first time I saw the yamtra thing, I 722 00:54:51,960 --> 00:54:55,280 thought probably that they were like making fun of Amy more and in a way 723 00:54:55,360 --> 00:55:01,000 they are. But still again it was like a kid a redemption where yes 724 00:55:01,119 --> 00:55:06,400 they referenced you noticed that him at the end, that was a reference to 725 00:55:06,480 --> 00:55:09,519 when he got destroyed by a cybermen, right yeah, yeah, like he 726 00:55:09,559 --> 00:55:14,599 was in the Creator, right, but that time it was death and loss 727 00:55:14,760 --> 00:55:20,159 and this time it meant victory. So again it's like that Gohan situation we 728 00:55:20,159 --> 00:55:22,920 were talking about, where there's more to life than just fighting, and Yama 729 00:55:23,039 --> 00:55:28,880 got to shine compared to Goku, compared to Vegeta, compared to the gods, 730 00:55:29,360 --> 00:55:31,440 because of how good he is in baseball, And yeah, I like 731 00:55:31,559 --> 00:55:37,000 that. Not everyone needs to have the same path to mastery. You know. 732 00:55:37,039 --> 00:55:38,639 For some people that can be sports, so for some people that can 733 00:55:38,679 --> 00:55:44,679 be specifically martial arts. But I like that he got his chance to shine. 734 00:55:44,760 --> 00:55:49,199 And I really like like the wolf fang ball or whatever fang pitch. 735 00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:53,440 Yeah, so I like that as well. Yeah, as a baseball fan 736 00:55:53,480 --> 00:55:58,679 and baseball player, I love seeing the characters trying to adapt to the game. 737 00:55:58,719 --> 00:56:01,360 Like Vegeta goes up there to pitch and he just throws the ball as 738 00:56:01,440 --> 00:56:06,039 hard as he can at Yamshaw and he's like, what, I'm not supposed 739 00:56:06,039 --> 00:56:07,880 to hit every picture that comes up here, Like, yeah, come on, 740 00:56:07,960 --> 00:56:12,519 isn't that what I'm supposed too? They have no idea. And it's 741 00:56:12,519 --> 00:56:17,199 like, I'm just glad Goku played because when it came to watching that movie, 742 00:56:17,800 --> 00:56:21,639 he just fell asleep, right like when he came to watch him the 743 00:56:21,639 --> 00:56:24,800 Sadband movie. So I'm glad that he could do some stuff, even if 744 00:56:24,800 --> 00:56:29,559 it's not fighting. Speaking of m you know, I'm shure as well, 745 00:56:29,719 --> 00:56:31,920 just another burn on yamshow. I don't know if we mentioned this so far 746 00:56:31,920 --> 00:56:36,639 when I wrote it down. I love How eighteen when she ends up witnessing 747 00:56:36,639 --> 00:56:38,360 how good Yams is a baseball, She's like, oh, I didn't know 748 00:56:38,400 --> 00:56:43,960 it was good at something, just an outright burn. But he is, 749 00:56:44,199 --> 00:56:47,159 fuck he is, and again you know, uh, yeah, I'm just 750 00:56:47,280 --> 00:56:52,559 been a punching bag. But I think this was actually positive for him because 751 00:56:52,599 --> 00:56:57,360 what how how else is it gonna shine? And he did shine and he 752 00:56:57,400 --> 00:57:01,800 won the game, and yeah, risk spect I think they handled the omtraw 753 00:57:01,920 --> 00:57:07,559 right in this episode. Yeah, and then obviously I think the rally episode 754 00:57:07,719 --> 00:57:12,159 was pretty funny, and you talked about like Polkes, like there's those moments 755 00:57:12,159 --> 00:57:16,559 of breaking metal wall or or showing that this is a fiction, and yeah, 756 00:57:16,559 --> 00:57:21,159 there were some great moments, Like the only way this character could be 757 00:57:21,199 --> 00:57:27,239 so strong is if it was like an eighties Monga, where like the character 758 00:57:27,280 --> 00:57:30,679 is pretty much undefeatable and it's for comedic purposes rather than trying to become the 759 00:57:30,719 --> 00:57:36,400 strongest and yeah, no, it's exactly. And he's like I think at 760 00:57:36,440 --> 00:57:39,480 the end, Via is like last time I fight someone from an eighties gagmong 761 00:57:39,719 --> 00:57:45,039 or something like. So they had a lot of fun with that episode exactly. 762 00:57:45,119 --> 00:57:49,199 Yeah, and it was really funny to see Virgina in a tie, 763 00:57:49,239 --> 00:57:52,760 like I don't think I've ever seen that before. And see how easy it 764 00:57:52,800 --> 00:57:55,199 is, See how easy it is to make us dragon Ball fans happy. 765 00:57:55,440 --> 00:58:00,400 Just put Vegeta in new clothing and we're good. Put them in a suit, 766 00:58:00,719 --> 00:58:05,760 We're all good. No, that's hilarious. Yeah, I mean each 767 00:58:05,840 --> 00:58:08,360 one. I mean we had the baseball we had I think the first one 768 00:58:08,559 --> 00:58:15,320 was you know it was it wasn't the best, like the whole idea of 769 00:58:15,360 --> 00:58:21,719 the dragon coming and them deciding what to wish for, like that one was. 770 00:58:22,039 --> 00:58:23,199 Man, that was kind of a bit of a throwaway. But I 771 00:58:23,239 --> 00:58:30,119 did like even the like Goku's death, I thought there was an interesting Yeah, 772 00:58:30,199 --> 00:58:35,360 the episode I really like hit and yeah, yeah, and it's funny 773 00:58:35,360 --> 00:58:38,920 because, like, like you they did it in a different style, right, 774 00:58:38,960 --> 00:58:44,480 because you literally have Goku die in different moments in the series, and 775 00:58:44,559 --> 00:58:47,360 they never show it in like, you know, quite the same way, 776 00:58:47,400 --> 00:58:52,239 where like there's just black over his face and it was very like a film 777 00:58:52,320 --> 00:58:55,199 no Are kind of episode. And yeah, it was interesting and what a 778 00:58:55,239 --> 00:58:59,239 way to finish it off. You know, like Goku is dead. It's 779 00:58:59,280 --> 00:59:00,159 not even a big deal because like, you know what, they could wish 780 00:59:00,199 --> 00:59:05,039 him back, but they they set it up with like the way they did 781 00:59:05,079 --> 00:59:08,159 it that it felt like a super big deal. Yeah, it reminded me 782 00:59:08,280 --> 00:59:14,039 back when I know we didn't necessarily see the moment, but when Krillan's dead 783 00:59:14,519 --> 00:59:17,119 back in Dragon Ball and you get that like wow, like that really and 784 00:59:17,159 --> 00:59:22,360 we even got to throw back as we'll talk about the specific dude who killed 785 00:59:22,440 --> 00:59:25,440 him, Tambourine, right, Yes, so yeah, that was the That 786 00:59:25,519 --> 00:59:32,599 was the last couple episodes there. When we have the Goku's looking for a 787 00:59:32,599 --> 00:59:38,320 training partner, he ends up deciding to convince Krillan or Krillan just basically he 788 00:59:38,360 --> 00:59:43,400 sees the way eighteen looks so disgusted at him, how he doesn't want to 789 00:59:43,400 --> 00:59:45,239 improve himself as a fighter, so he ends up going with him, and 790 00:59:45,280 --> 00:59:49,320 we see all those throwback characters and I mean, yeah, it must have 791 00:59:49,360 --> 00:59:52,199 been really traumatic for krill and all the characters that killed him, and Goku 792 00:59:52,239 --> 00:59:58,280 doesn't even really seem to realize how tough that must. Yeah, and someone 793 00:59:58,280 --> 01:00:01,199 like him to see that's so interesting because yeah, Goku has a completely different 794 01:00:01,559 --> 01:00:07,559 brain, right, and he doesn't hold grudges against those enemies. And he's 795 01:00:07,639 --> 01:00:09,920 like, oh, yeah, that was so fun. I can't believe. 796 01:00:09,920 --> 01:00:13,320 I never thought we'd got a chance to fight him again. And Croll's like, 797 01:00:13,360 --> 01:00:17,239 I just relived like the most gruesome, horrific moments of my life and 798 01:00:17,320 --> 01:00:20,440 you're okay with that, and he's like, yeah, it was fun. 799 01:00:20,840 --> 01:00:24,599 It's just like no, and Krellan's very human in that way where you could 800 01:00:24,599 --> 01:00:31,239 say Goku is like more saying or more just you know, not normal, 801 01:00:31,960 --> 01:00:37,480 And yeah, it's fun seeing Kryllan overcome that. At first, I was 802 01:00:37,559 --> 01:00:40,679 like, bro, Andreid eighteen is being way too harsh with him, But 803 01:00:42,079 --> 01:00:45,880 I think her heart was in the right place and she wanted it for him 804 01:00:45,920 --> 01:00:47,960 so he could like, you know, he probably lost his way and she 805 01:00:47,960 --> 01:00:52,880 wanted to help him kind of regain it. Yeah, because even yeah, 806 01:00:52,920 --> 01:00:57,760 you don't need to be the strongest, but you know you and ray you 807 01:00:57,840 --> 01:01:00,679 and I know that, like, for example, you don't need to be 808 01:01:00,800 --> 01:01:05,639 the best runner, but let's say you're you know the difference between getting back 809 01:01:05,679 --> 01:01:08,159 in shape and being out of shape, right, Yeah, and she just 810 01:01:08,199 --> 01:01:14,760 wanted Krillan to like get into that mindset of being in shape. Yeah, 811 01:01:14,800 --> 01:01:19,199 and I think in a way like Krillan was just going up. I mean 812 01:01:19,239 --> 01:01:21,840 I understand, you know, he's kind of like a family man, like 813 01:01:22,559 --> 01:01:27,360 like Gohan in a way, but you know, you know, you kind 814 01:01:27,360 --> 01:01:31,400 of feel that he's just going on autopilot and not really thinking about like how 815 01:01:31,400 --> 01:01:35,840 can I improve myself as a person at times, and even Roshi points that 816 01:01:35,960 --> 01:01:38,480 out, you seem kind of lost the way you are now, And it's 817 01:01:38,519 --> 01:01:43,440 cool that he's able to, like he understands he'll never be like Goku or 818 01:01:43,480 --> 01:01:47,039 be as passionate about fighting as Goku, but like he he kind of rekindled 819 01:01:47,039 --> 01:01:50,679 that fire there at the end. Yeah, and I like shave his head 820 01:01:50,880 --> 01:01:52,480 again. And yeah, the older you get, the more you realize it's 821 01:01:52,480 --> 01:01:59,760 not about necessarily comparing yourself to others, but being on that path for yourself, 822 01:02:00,119 --> 01:02:02,320 becoming you know, trying to become better than you were yesterday or something, 823 01:02:02,880 --> 01:02:07,440 or just living with principles and discipline. It feels good even if you're 824 01:02:07,440 --> 01:02:10,960 not the best, right and it definitely feels better than you know, not 825 01:02:12,280 --> 01:02:16,199 doing that. So yeah, I respected the way Krillan. Krillan was and 826 01:02:16,280 --> 01:02:21,760 I respected the character, even if he will never match up to Goku. 827 01:02:22,519 --> 01:02:24,880 Yeah, no, I mean I like Crillan, and we haven't really seen 828 01:02:25,000 --> 01:02:28,840 much of Krillan and Super at all. So it was cool to have an 829 01:02:28,880 --> 01:02:32,480 episode or a couple episodes that is focused on Krill and him being a father, 830 01:02:32,679 --> 01:02:37,119 right, because yeah, like that hasn't been a huge focus. Yeah, 831 01:02:37,159 --> 01:02:40,639 so I enjoyed that focus on Krill and I enjoyed even to focus on 832 01:02:42,199 --> 01:02:46,599 Gohan there for the couple of filler episodes with say a man and again show. 833 01:02:50,960 --> 01:02:55,079 It was like a soap opera and like and like a superhero movie in 834 01:02:55,559 --> 01:02:59,800 one or two episodes, right, it was so interesting. It's like, 835 01:03:00,480 --> 01:03:04,400 so this guy likes Fidel, right, the movie star likes Fidel and he 836 01:03:04,440 --> 01:03:10,519 gets rejected, so he's pissed. And then this movie actress star loves Gohan 837 01:03:12,199 --> 01:03:15,719 and you know, for the sake of her career, tries to follow the 838 01:03:15,800 --> 01:03:21,199 orders of the movie guy of the star and then gets like the situation where 839 01:03:21,199 --> 01:03:24,519 she actually kisses Gohan and that's photograph. It's just like all of these, 840 01:03:25,000 --> 01:03:30,920 you know, situations that you never expect to matter in Dragon Ball, and 841 01:03:30,039 --> 01:03:37,320 yet it's entertaining. It was entertaining. We don't want every episode to be 842 01:03:37,440 --> 01:03:40,199 like that, but it was entertaining for a change. And then you got 843 01:03:40,559 --> 01:03:50,000 Gohan to overcome character Barry with that alien parisite take him over, and it 844 01:03:50,039 --> 01:03:52,960 was cinematic. It was like a fight in the sky. And he also 845 01:03:53,039 --> 01:03:58,920 got to show Pan and the Dell how strong he is. So yeah, 846 01:03:59,119 --> 01:04:02,159 very very nice this episode. I was happy with it. Yeah. So 847 01:04:02,599 --> 01:04:08,639 overall, I mean it was a great mains story here, some really good 848 01:04:08,880 --> 01:04:12,719 kind of filler episodes where we got some throwback as well. Even training with 849 01:04:12,840 --> 01:04:15,159 Roshi again that was cool to see. So yeah, I like that. 850 01:04:16,119 --> 01:04:19,360 I like that ros She is still getting his respect. Yeah, yeah, 851 01:04:20,239 --> 01:04:25,400 ed Gok Goku fought for a while in that turtle mask, in that turtle 852 01:04:25,480 --> 01:04:30,000 suit. Still he was too strong. But yeah, they're getting creative with 853 01:04:30,320 --> 01:04:33,079 maybe how they get even the playing field a bit. And it was also 854 01:04:33,159 --> 01:04:38,000 interesting to see how you know, they had that throwback to Goku and Krylan 855 01:04:38,119 --> 01:04:42,000 chasing that rock, right trying to find that rock, except this time they 856 01:04:42,039 --> 01:04:45,280 worked together and it worked out. It didn't have to be like I'm going 857 01:04:45,360 --> 01:04:49,599 to find it before you. Yeah, and I mean Goku did learn a 858 01:04:49,639 --> 01:04:55,440 good lesson in controlling his energy with that whole kind of adventure they went on, 859 01:04:55,519 --> 01:04:58,320 which again you think yourself, like even ros, She's like, I 860 01:04:58,320 --> 01:05:00,639 can't teach you anything. You're like, your powers are divine right now, 861 01:05:00,760 --> 01:05:04,360 right, there's a limitation to what I could do about how he's still able 862 01:05:04,400 --> 01:05:08,559 to come away with a lesson there. I WoT how to control his energy. 863 01:05:08,599 --> 01:05:12,280 I thought, you know, it's it's cool because these characters don't just 864 01:05:12,400 --> 01:05:16,599 become irrelevant, like they still have relevance at times. You could still write 865 01:05:16,639 --> 01:05:21,639 them into the story in some way. M Yeah, definitely, No. 866 01:05:21,800 --> 01:05:28,360 I thought I thought everything was done well. Um again, even the filler, 867 01:05:28,400 --> 01:05:30,199 I enjoyed it. You gotta like, look at that from a different 868 01:05:30,239 --> 01:05:33,280 perspective, and yeah, I like that, like the emotional part, I 869 01:05:33,320 --> 01:05:36,960 like the comedic part. I think I think there was good stuff. I 870 01:05:38,000 --> 01:05:41,599 like that the characters who don't usually get a chance to shine got a chance 871 01:05:41,639 --> 01:05:45,199 to shine got some screen time. There's also a question, I believe soul 872 01:05:45,280 --> 01:05:50,079 Slayer who said the question for you, is there any character you miss that 873 01:05:50,159 --> 01:05:54,519 you would like to see return in some capacity or do you think they do 874 01:05:54,559 --> 01:05:59,079 a good job of kind of keeping the characters you want to see in this 875 01:05:59,239 --> 01:06:05,800 story. No, that's a that's a good question. I mean, I 876 01:06:05,880 --> 01:06:11,000 have to think about that more. I think the good thing about dragon Ball 877 01:06:11,480 --> 01:06:15,960 even Z and dragon Ball Super is we do get certain characters that I liked 878 01:06:15,000 --> 01:06:21,880 returning, like Freezer, even Tau there he returns um in terms of like 879 01:06:23,239 --> 01:06:25,760 one thing you can say, one thing you can say about dragon Ball, 880 01:06:26,599 --> 01:06:31,840 they definitely make use of returning characters. Yeah, I mean, yeah, 881 01:06:31,880 --> 01:06:36,360 I'm trying to I'm gonna sit on that question. Maybe I'll have a better 882 01:06:36,880 --> 01:06:41,239 response for the next episode. That's a good question, but I think, 883 01:06:41,440 --> 01:06:44,280 um, I think it's you know, they've done pretty well like bringing back 884 01:06:44,320 --> 01:06:47,320 certain characters at times. But then again, I don't want to see certain 885 01:06:47,400 --> 01:06:51,920 characters just to just to bring them back, like for example or something. 886 01:06:51,960 --> 01:06:55,639 Do I really want to see them again? They'll fun to get you force. 887 01:06:55,679 --> 01:06:58,960 I'm sorry everybody, but now they've had their time in the sun. 888 01:06:59,480 --> 01:07:04,559 I did like the return of Ghost Nappa Bro. We didn't mention Snap returned 889 01:07:04,800 --> 01:07:10,480 in that fight. That was amazing. Soul Slayer says, thanks and thank 890 01:07:10,519 --> 01:07:14,000 you so much for one thousand bits. Soul Slayer and yeah, if you 891 01:07:14,039 --> 01:07:17,280 guys want to sometimes near the end of the podcast, like, ask any 892 01:07:17,360 --> 01:07:21,639 questions in the Twitch chat for Ray to answer, then feel free to do 893 01:07:21,719 --> 01:07:26,920 so, we'll try to answer them. And yeah, it's an interesting thing 894 01:07:26,920 --> 01:07:32,679 because everyone I think enjoys seeing someone react for the first time to a series 895 01:07:32,760 --> 01:07:36,719 day love, right, I think that's a great concept. And yeah, 896 01:07:36,719 --> 01:07:42,119 it's been entertaining for me revisiting it and also just getting your initial thoughts on 897 01:07:42,159 --> 01:07:45,519 everything as well. Yeah. Cool, all right, So once again, 898 01:07:45,599 --> 01:07:53,960 guys, I want to tell you that the episodes we're covering next are seventy 899 01:07:54,039 --> 01:08:00,559 seven to one hundred and four aka the Tournament of Power Part one. We 900 01:08:00,679 --> 01:08:06,400 will be discussing that in two weeks as usual, and yeah, if you 901 01:08:06,599 --> 01:08:12,519 enjoy this, make sure to leave a five star review on Apple Podcasts that 902 01:08:12,639 --> 01:08:17,840 helps us out. And until next time, see us Base Cowboys Bang