1 00:00:11,199 --> 00:01:29,280 At a book. If you'd like to be able to listen to the show 2 00:01:29,319 --> 00:01:33,799 without ads and have full access to bonus content, that's an option. To 3 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:41,519 find out how, please go to Dogmanencounters dot com Forward slash podcast. Hey 4 00:01:41,519 --> 00:01:45,359 everyone, thanks so much for joining us for this special livestream episode of the 5 00:01:45,400 --> 00:01:49,760 show. If you caught Friday Night Show, you listen to our guest Joe 6 00:01:49,879 --> 00:01:53,760 come on and tell us about the horrible Dogman Encounters that she had well on 7 00:01:53,879 --> 00:01:59,400 tonight's show, She's come back to talk about those encounters. I've got several 8 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:02,280 questions I want to ask her, and if you're in the live chat and 9 00:02:02,359 --> 00:02:07,079 have questions for her, she's going to be on hand to answer your questions 10 00:02:07,120 --> 00:02:10,879 as well. But having said that, without further ado, let's bring Joe 11 00:02:10,919 --> 00:02:16,599 on now. Joe, thanks so much for coming back. Hi, Thank 12 00:02:16,639 --> 00:02:22,400 you, Vick, Hi everybody. I'm glad that you came back. You 13 00:02:22,439 --> 00:02:27,120 talk about a fan favorite, Joe. When people listen to what you unfortunately 14 00:02:27,159 --> 00:02:31,439 were made to bear with your encounters, it really tugged at their heartstrings. 15 00:02:31,479 --> 00:02:38,000 When you check out the comments on Friday Night Show, that's immediately evident. 16 00:02:38,560 --> 00:02:44,280 So I'm sure you've read through those comments haven't you from that show? I 17 00:02:44,400 --> 00:02:47,599 read through those, and I tell you I was crying through most of them, 18 00:02:47,599 --> 00:02:52,159 and for the first time, it was happy tears that I was crying. 19 00:02:52,759 --> 00:02:57,759 I don't think I've ever felt that much love and support in my entire 20 00:02:57,879 --> 00:03:02,439 life. And there are no words to thank you guys for being such a 21 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:08,120 wonderful group of people. I love you all. I told you they're amazing 22 00:03:08,240 --> 00:03:15,159 people, absolutely amazing, and also touching on how amazing they are when they 23 00:03:15,199 --> 00:03:20,879 heard about the situation you're in. You're a living situation. The latest the 24 00:03:20,960 --> 00:03:24,520 latest time I looked in on your GoFundMe page, I think the total was 25 00:03:24,759 --> 00:03:30,360 four thousand, seven hundred and sixty five, So you're literally this was about 26 00:03:30,400 --> 00:03:35,199 maybe half an hour or so ago. You're literally, at least back then, 27 00:03:35,240 --> 00:03:38,439 you were only two hundred and thirty five dollars away from reaching that five 28 00:03:38,479 --> 00:03:43,919 thousand dollars goal. I don't even know what to say. All the people 29 00:03:43,960 --> 00:03:49,280 out there who have chipped in to help support Joe, and also people who 30 00:03:49,520 --> 00:03:53,319 who didn't have the means to chip in and give a donation, but you 31 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:58,680 supported her with your words and support. I don't know what to say. 32 00:03:59,120 --> 00:04:01,400 I just don't know what to say. All I can say is thank you 33 00:04:01,759 --> 00:04:08,039 so much. I've been telling Joe about how amazing you are and how supportive 34 00:04:08,159 --> 00:04:12,719 you are, but I just couldn't do it justice. The only thing I 35 00:04:12,719 --> 00:04:15,920 could do to give her a taste of what I was talking about was just 36 00:04:16,279 --> 00:04:20,279 to let her see with her own two eyes what I was telling her about 37 00:04:20,319 --> 00:04:24,639 you. And Wow, like I said, I just I don't know what 38 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:28,399 to say. I can't thank you enough. Thank you so much. I 39 00:04:28,439 --> 00:04:34,000 really do appreciate it. Joe. For anyone who missed Friday Night Show, 40 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:38,240 can you give them a brief rundown on why you came on the show in 41 00:04:38,279 --> 00:04:45,399 the first place. I came on to talk about a dog man encounter that 42 00:04:45,519 --> 00:04:50,560 actually was more than one time. It kept coming back, I guess to 43 00:04:50,560 --> 00:04:54,839 torture me, to stalk me, and in the end I felt to hunt 44 00:04:54,879 --> 00:04:59,959 me. And I had kept it in pin and for all these years, 45 00:05:00,079 --> 00:05:03,399 and it was just eating me alive. I didn't know what it was called. 46 00:05:03,639 --> 00:05:06,639 I didn't know if it was a demon from hell. I didn't know 47 00:05:06,639 --> 00:05:11,480 if it was awarewolf. But I thought those rolling in the movies, and 48 00:05:11,879 --> 00:05:17,000 I started hearing about people like you who had podcasts and they were calling them 49 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:21,680 dog men, and so I started listening and learning and it, I mean, 50 00:05:21,759 --> 00:05:27,120 it just lined up that, you know, all of the descriptions that 51 00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:30,040 they were saying. I was going, God, that is really what it 52 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:32,399 was. And so the fact that I could put a name to it helped 53 00:05:32,439 --> 00:05:38,800 quite a bit too. And then just listening to more people share their encounters 54 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:42,800 and how they were doing well and dealing with it, and they weren't feeling 55 00:05:42,839 --> 00:05:46,720 the shame of saying anything. They were being brave and sharing it, you 56 00:05:46,720 --> 00:05:50,360 know, not being afraid to say something and have somebody make fun of them. 57 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:56,120 And they all were wonderful and they'd made me feel a lot stronger about 58 00:05:56,199 --> 00:06:01,160 doing it. And then I had the wonderful, wonderful chance of meeting with 59 00:06:01,279 --> 00:06:05,680 you, and you were so great and supportive. And that first night, 60 00:06:06,480 --> 00:06:10,199 as I was telling you, you know how terrified I was, and I 61 00:06:10,240 --> 00:06:13,600 was afraid I was going to have another nightmare that night because we were talking 62 00:06:13,639 --> 00:06:15,480 about it. You said, I'm going to tell you something. I want 63 00:06:15,480 --> 00:06:19,560 you to listen. If it wanted to kill you, it would have done 64 00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:24,879 it. And you just kind of made me have to sit back and go, 65 00:06:25,040 --> 00:06:28,959 well, yeah, I guess walking around in total fear all the time 66 00:06:29,079 --> 00:06:31,920 is kind of overkilled, because you're right, it would have got me already. 67 00:06:32,560 --> 00:06:36,160 And that was kind of the start of my healing. And then you 68 00:06:36,199 --> 00:06:42,839 introduced me to a wonderful angel named Anne who worked with me on it and 69 00:06:43,120 --> 00:06:46,759 is going to continue teaching me how to do lucid dreams so I can take 70 00:06:46,759 --> 00:06:50,399 control of those nightmares and get on top of that too. And I just 71 00:06:50,680 --> 00:06:56,079 felt like I was maybe having a chance at a new life. And then 72 00:06:56,079 --> 00:06:59,480 with everybody's wonderful contributions that they've done, I know I'm getting ready to have 73 00:06:59,480 --> 00:07:02,279 a new life. So I may be living in a house that's not slowly 74 00:07:02,360 --> 00:07:06,319 killing me and my daughter, and maybe we can even get back part of 75 00:07:06,360 --> 00:07:12,040 our health. And it's all thanks to you wonderful people. Thank you so 76 00:07:12,160 --> 00:07:16,000 much, and thank you vic. Oh you're welcome. You're more than welcome. 77 00:07:16,319 --> 00:07:20,519 I told you how wonderful they are. I told you, and again 78 00:07:20,639 --> 00:07:27,279 everyone listening who has given support to Joe, like I said, whether it's 79 00:07:27,360 --> 00:07:31,879 financial and supportive by your words the comments you've been leaving, or if it's 80 00:07:31,920 --> 00:07:38,279 been a matter of just leaving supportive comments. I can't thank you enough. 81 00:07:38,360 --> 00:07:41,240 I just I, like I said, I just don't know what to say 82 00:07:41,920 --> 00:07:46,079 being thank you so much. Here we are less than forty eight hours away 83 00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:50,360 from that show, and here we've already almost met her goal of five thousand 84 00:07:50,480 --> 00:07:55,600 dollars. She said that she thought she would only need two thousand, but 85 00:07:56,399 --> 00:08:00,680 it's always more expensive to move to do things like that than what you expect. 86 00:08:00,959 --> 00:08:03,360 So I thought, for Unforesenes, I thought, well, maybe it 87 00:08:03,360 --> 00:08:07,639 would be best to post a goal of five thousand. And I thought, 88 00:08:07,680 --> 00:08:11,360 okay, that's a lofty goal. But here we are less than forty eight 89 00:08:11,360 --> 00:08:16,079 hours away from that, and we've almost met that goal already. I mean, 90 00:08:16,199 --> 00:08:20,279 wow, I just I don't know what to say. I really don't 91 00:08:20,319 --> 00:08:24,079 know what to say, except for, like I said, thank you so 92 00:08:24,240 --> 00:08:28,040 much. I really appreciate it. So yeah, I'm going to beat a 93 00:08:28,040 --> 00:08:31,560 dead horse there, I admit it, but I can't. I'm going to 94 00:08:31,639 --> 00:08:35,559 thank you again too, But I just really appreciate you supporting her the way 95 00:08:35,600 --> 00:08:39,960 you have. And I think that was your wisdom, Vic for sitting that 96 00:08:39,240 --> 00:08:45,000 at five thousand, because like I told you, that seemed so lovely for 97 00:08:45,120 --> 00:08:50,159 me to even ask for that, But I didn't I don't have a refrigerator 98 00:08:50,320 --> 00:08:54,840 or a stove, or a warsher or dryer. They came with this house, 99 00:08:54,600 --> 00:09:01,360 and both the worsher dryer has needed repairs, and she told me too 100 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:05,840 bad, and so I always wonder if they're going to keep working. But 101 00:09:05,039 --> 00:09:09,879 the house that I'm wanting to move into doesn't have them. Well, I 102 00:09:09,919 --> 00:09:13,039 thought, if I sold enough at my furniture, I could buy a refrigerator 103 00:09:13,639 --> 00:09:20,279 that I could use my electric skillet, my crop pot and my little toaster 104 00:09:20,360 --> 00:09:24,120 oven and make that as a stove. And then it started hitting me, 105 00:09:24,600 --> 00:09:28,000 I might have enough left over if this thing really went to five thousand that 106 00:09:28,639 --> 00:09:35,240 I could buy maybe a cheap refrigerator and cheap stove and a worsher and dryer 107 00:09:35,320 --> 00:09:37,559 so that my daughter who's filling ill wouldn't have to be trying to go to 108 00:09:37,639 --> 00:09:43,480 a hot laundry mat and do it. I think you guys have blessed us 109 00:09:43,480 --> 00:09:46,480 to the point that that's going to maybe be possible, you know, when 110 00:09:46,519 --> 00:09:50,759 we hit the five thousand. So thank you again, and thank you for 111 00:09:50,919 --> 00:09:56,879 your looking ahead Vick and knowing that I had no idea how expensive things were. 112 00:09:58,039 --> 00:10:01,960 So it's just been amazing and I think I have found somebody to help 113 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:07,240 move me for fifteen hundred and so it's all going to just every bit of 114 00:10:07,240 --> 00:10:09,480 it's going to be used for this. And thank you so much, guys, 115 00:10:11,799 --> 00:10:16,960 it's been so much fun listening to peace after peace just fall into place 116 00:10:16,039 --> 00:10:22,080 in your life. When we first had that first conversation, afterwards it sounded 117 00:10:22,120 --> 00:10:26,960 like you're doing pretty well. And then as I would check back in on 118 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:31,639 you, you were doing well when you're awake, but when you would try 119 00:10:31,679 --> 00:10:35,240 to sleep, you have those nightmare issues. And that's why I referred you 120 00:10:35,279 --> 00:10:41,720 over to Anne. Joe mentioned Anne and what she's doing helping Joe learn how 121 00:10:41,720 --> 00:10:46,240 to lucid dream so that she doesn't have to deal with these horrible night tears 122 00:10:46,320 --> 00:10:50,120 anymore. And I guess some would be considered nightmares, but that's bad enough 123 00:10:50,159 --> 00:10:54,080 anyway as it is. But Ann is a living testament to the fact that 124 00:10:54,120 --> 00:10:58,720 not all angels have wings. I mean here she takes her own time to 125 00:10:58,759 --> 00:11:03,440 help by witnesses out for me who have a lot of trouble with night tears, 126 00:11:03,519 --> 00:11:09,039 dogged me and related nightmares and whatnot, and turns that around so that 127 00:11:09,159 --> 00:11:15,240 these eyewitnesses can sleep and as Joe will tell you. I checked back in 128 00:11:15,279 --> 00:11:18,240 with her the first night after she had that long conversation with Ann. How 129 00:11:18,279 --> 00:11:24,399 long did you two talk that first time time? Yeah, three and a 130 00:11:24,399 --> 00:11:28,600 half hours. Three and a half hours. Well, yeah, I mean, 131 00:11:28,720 --> 00:11:31,399 no wonder you slept so well, because when I checked in on you 132 00:11:31,480 --> 00:11:35,559 the next day, you said you slept like a baby. I think, 133 00:11:35,600 --> 00:11:39,440 Actually, wasn't that the night The morning when I sent you a message and 134 00:11:39,480 --> 00:11:43,480 I woke you up, you were still asleep. I was still asleep. 135 00:11:43,159 --> 00:11:46,519 My body had finally thought, oh, we can sleep, and I was 136 00:11:46,720 --> 00:11:52,679 loving it. But it's okay since it was you, I thought. I 137 00:11:52,720 --> 00:11:56,759 thought, on no, here, she's sleeping like a rock. And I 138 00:11:56,840 --> 00:12:01,519 woke her up sending her a message. But yeah, I'm glad that you're 139 00:12:01,799 --> 00:12:05,600 You're back to sleeping the way you should now. Thank goodness for that. 140 00:12:05,039 --> 00:12:09,399 Just knowing that when you're awake, you're good to go. When you're asleep, 141 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:11,279 now you're good to go. And before you know it, you're going 142 00:12:11,360 --> 00:12:15,919 to be moving into your You say you found a house, Well, like 143 00:12:15,960 --> 00:12:18,600 I keep telling you, it's your house. Before you know what, you're 144 00:12:18,639 --> 00:12:22,720 going to be moving into your house. Now. I had to keep saying 145 00:12:22,840 --> 00:12:26,440 a house, because I wasn't sure I was going to pull it off, 146 00:12:26,480 --> 00:12:31,879 but I can now I can call it mine. That's right, that's right, 147 00:12:33,080 --> 00:12:37,240 it's your house. Now you've got the means to move in. It's 148 00:12:37,360 --> 00:12:41,320 just a matter of time before you're actually in it and away from the horrible 149 00:12:41,360 --> 00:12:46,320 problems with that black mold and that horrible landlord you have to deal with, 150 00:12:46,600 --> 00:12:50,399 which I wasn't going to touch on this. This is a question that's one 151 00:12:50,399 --> 00:12:52,519 of those take it or leave it deals. Joe, there's no pressure to 152 00:12:52,600 --> 00:12:56,279 answer this, but I'm sure from looking at all the comments that have been 153 00:12:56,360 --> 00:13:01,759 left in reference to Friday Night show, I'm sure you've noticed all the comments 154 00:13:01,799 --> 00:13:07,360 from people hoping that you go after that landlord to sue. Now, there's 155 00:13:07,399 --> 00:13:11,360 no pressure, like I said, to answer this, but if you do 156 00:13:11,559 --> 00:13:18,159 decide that you want to pursue some type of legal action, just let me 157 00:13:18,279 --> 00:13:22,360 know and I could put the word out to see if anyone that listens to 158 00:13:22,440 --> 00:13:26,759 the show might happen to be an attorney based in Kansas who might be able 159 00:13:26,799 --> 00:13:30,679 to help you, who might be interested in helping you. That would be 160 00:13:30,720 --> 00:13:37,279 wonderful because after reading everything everyone was saying and I'm such a passive person. 161 00:13:37,320 --> 00:13:41,039 It really takes a lot for me to get up in your face, so 162 00:13:41,080 --> 00:13:45,559 to speak. But you know, they were all back in me and saying, 163 00:13:45,559 --> 00:13:46,919 hey, you can't let her get by with this. And so I 164 00:13:46,960 --> 00:13:52,080 do plan on contacting an attorney. I'm going to see how much I have 165 00:13:52,240 --> 00:13:58,960 left over on the GoFundMe to get me started with it. As one listener 166 00:13:58,039 --> 00:14:03,120 said, and it's so ring home. You know, she's wanting me out 167 00:14:03,120 --> 00:14:07,600 of here, and she's wanting to sell it now. She's wanting to sell 168 00:14:07,639 --> 00:14:09,799 this death trap to somebody, and what if they have kids and things that 169 00:14:11,200 --> 00:14:13,919 would even succumb to that black mole even faster. I can't let that happen. 170 00:14:15,799 --> 00:14:18,240 You know, I was a patient advocate. I stood up for people 171 00:14:18,399 --> 00:14:22,559 as a nurse. I'm still going to do that now. I'm not going 172 00:14:22,600 --> 00:14:28,519 to let her hurt anybody else. I'm just not going to let her do 173 00:14:28,559 --> 00:14:33,519 it. Good. Thank you everybody support. Good for you. I'm so 174 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:37,240 glad you're going to do that. But you know, there could be certain 175 00:14:37,320 --> 00:14:41,679 circumstances where you might decide that's not your best interest. I mean, I 176 00:14:41,679 --> 00:14:45,799 don't know. There are a lot of things about your life that I don't 177 00:14:45,840 --> 00:14:50,159 know that might be affected by you trying to do that. So that's why 178 00:14:50,200 --> 00:14:52,000 I was trying to hammer home the fact that you know, if you want 179 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:54,879 to comment yeah, your name, it's totally up to you on that. 180 00:14:56,919 --> 00:15:00,799 But moving forward, Joe, when we spoke for so the first time, 181 00:15:00,840 --> 00:15:03,960 I focused on trying to resolve those issues you're dealing with when you were awake. 182 00:15:05,120 --> 00:15:09,120 Like I said a bit ago, please tell us about the kinds of 183 00:15:09,200 --> 00:15:13,279 problems you were dealing with though when you're awake. Before we spoke that first 184 00:15:13,279 --> 00:15:20,440 time, oh ooh, okay, I had just constant Trump in my head, 185 00:15:20,519 --> 00:15:24,720 just thinking about it all the time. Even if I was like involved 186 00:15:24,720 --> 00:15:30,240 watching a movie, I would notice that thought was coming in. You know, 187 00:15:31,440 --> 00:15:33,440 are you have you made sure all the doors are locked? You know, 188 00:15:33,919 --> 00:15:39,039 are all the curtains pulled? Are you close enough to window that maybe 189 00:15:39,039 --> 00:15:41,519 it could get your scent? I mean, it was terrible the changes that 190 00:15:41,559 --> 00:15:46,600 I went through after this happened to me. You know. It was that 191 00:15:48,240 --> 00:15:52,919 I went and bought a house on contract so that I could make changes to 192 00:15:52,960 --> 00:15:56,519 it. And one of the first things I did is it it had two 193 00:15:56,559 --> 00:16:00,320 beautiful trees on either side of the sidewalk up onto the porch. I had 194 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:04,320 them cut down. I hated that they were beautiful shade, but I was 195 00:16:04,360 --> 00:16:08,000 afraid it would come down out of the tree and land on me and kill 196 00:16:08,039 --> 00:16:15,120 me. I couldn't even stand that's there. I had four locks on every 197 00:16:15,200 --> 00:16:18,200 door. I had six locks on every window. Even though I knew it 198 00:16:18,200 --> 00:16:21,960 could come through, I thought maybe it would slowed down enough I would hear 199 00:16:21,960 --> 00:16:26,639 it and maybe get my daughter running the other direction. I had there called 200 00:16:26,639 --> 00:16:30,679 blackout curtains for people who you know, work nice and have to sleep during 201 00:16:30,720 --> 00:16:34,240 the day. I had those up on everything in my house, and they 202 00:16:34,279 --> 00:16:38,720 were pulled shut all the time, so that maybe it couldn't see, like 203 00:16:38,840 --> 00:16:44,360 my shadow of where I was walking. But more than likely it could have 204 00:16:44,399 --> 00:16:48,320 done it with the scent or even their sound. The way the ears turned 205 00:16:48,360 --> 00:16:52,480 independently of each other. It was just like it had unbelievable stereo sound and 206 00:16:52,559 --> 00:16:56,120 its hearings, so it probably would have heard me. But I had those 207 00:16:56,159 --> 00:17:02,320 pulled all the time so that maybe it couldn't see and come through that way. 208 00:17:03,359 --> 00:17:07,759 My daughter, bless her heart, she knew she couldn't play outside. 209 00:17:08,480 --> 00:17:11,720 We didn't decorate our house at Christmas times. That would have us outside. 210 00:17:12,880 --> 00:17:15,920 We didn't go out and make a snowman. That would have us outside. 211 00:17:18,079 --> 00:17:21,319 My daughter, she's forty four now, and if I would say the words 212 00:17:21,319 --> 00:17:23,160 to her right now, quickly and quietly, she would kind of give a 213 00:17:23,160 --> 00:17:27,920 little shudder. And that's because she knew I was terrified of the night. 214 00:17:29,559 --> 00:17:33,480 Therefore she became terrified of the night, which is sad. And I when 215 00:17:33,559 --> 00:17:36,799 we ever started to get out of the car, I would look at her 216 00:17:36,839 --> 00:17:40,000 and I would say quickly and quietly, and she'd say it with me. 217 00:17:40,799 --> 00:17:42,480 And how many little kids do you know? They can get out of a 218 00:17:42,559 --> 00:17:48,039 car and run up to the front door and never make a sound. That's 219 00:17:48,079 --> 00:17:51,839 how good she was at it. And she would get between me and the 220 00:17:51,920 --> 00:17:56,279 door, and she knew her job was to look around my side to tell 221 00:17:56,319 --> 00:18:00,680 me if something was coming. Can you imagine what that would have done to 222 00:18:00,720 --> 00:18:06,759 her had she saw that dog man coming what it looked like. But she 223 00:18:06,960 --> 00:18:10,640 was the only alarm I was going to have. And I was reaching around 224 00:18:10,680 --> 00:18:15,519 her to unlock the door. So if it it came and attacked, it 225 00:18:15,559 --> 00:18:18,039 got my body first, and maybe it would leave her alone. Maybe somehow 226 00:18:18,160 --> 00:18:22,279 she could she could get run, you know, run and be free of 227 00:18:22,319 --> 00:18:25,240 it. I mean, it was it was just awful. You know. 228 00:18:26,079 --> 00:18:29,279 I took jobs that didn't pay as much as a nurse because I had to 229 00:18:29,319 --> 00:18:33,880 have like doctor our nurses, so uh exees me doctor hours as a nurse 230 00:18:33,960 --> 00:18:41,720 so that I could be in before dark. It just took over everything with 231 00:18:41,880 --> 00:18:45,079 my mind. It was so sad and you know, and I it just 232 00:18:45,119 --> 00:18:52,000 got where it was almost this reflex for me to think about those things, 233 00:18:52,039 --> 00:18:56,640 and it almost made me, you know, like a compulsive disorder where I 234 00:18:56,640 --> 00:18:57,960 had to keep going back and checking the locks, checking the locks, and 235 00:18:59,000 --> 00:19:02,960 make sure before I could even lay down and sleep. I had nine to 236 00:19:02,960 --> 00:19:04,359 one one. I think they thought I was kind of crazy. But we 237 00:19:04,440 --> 00:19:07,960 set up a code and they had a word and my name was up there 238 00:19:08,079 --> 00:19:12,400 by the phone. If I called and said this word, they knew the 239 00:19:12,480 --> 00:19:17,759 address, and they knew that I was being attacked and probably was going to 240 00:19:17,759 --> 00:19:21,640 be being killed, and so they were to send somebody quickly. I didn't 241 00:19:21,640 --> 00:19:25,240 even want to be on the phone long enough to be describing that. I 242 00:19:25,279 --> 00:19:29,680 wanted to be grabbing my daughter and I had a little place out in a 243 00:19:29,759 --> 00:19:33,240 closet I had put to try to pull things in front of us, and 244 00:19:33,279 --> 00:19:37,319 I went in there with her and they knew where they would find us. 245 00:19:37,880 --> 00:19:41,480 It was just terrible. Seasonal depression set in. Why because in the wintertime 246 00:19:41,960 --> 00:19:47,599 it gets dark quicker, and so my anxiety level would just go up that 247 00:19:47,640 --> 00:19:51,440 way. I mean, I had to to fight it more, and I 248 00:19:51,480 --> 00:19:53,920 went to the doctor. I started having panic attacks. I couldn't breathe. 249 00:19:56,200 --> 00:19:59,200 Oh, they were horrible, and they'd make you feel numb, like you 250 00:19:59,240 --> 00:20:00,240 were going to pass out. And I thought, boy, I can have 251 00:20:00,319 --> 00:20:03,839 this happening. I've got to, you know, be alert all the time 252 00:20:03,920 --> 00:20:08,599 for my daughter's safety. And so the doctor put me in an antidepressant. 253 00:20:10,400 --> 00:20:12,960 It really wasn't happened or it wasn't really helping, and I didn't want to 254 00:20:14,079 --> 00:20:17,240 go up on a higher dose. So he asked me to go see, 255 00:20:17,759 --> 00:20:22,799 you know, somebody for outside counseling. So I started that and they did 256 00:20:22,839 --> 00:20:29,799 a test on me for PTSD and he came back in and looked at me 257 00:20:29,880 --> 00:20:33,319 kind of funny, and he said, have you ever done any service? 258 00:20:34,039 --> 00:20:38,519 And I said service? He said, like army navy. I said no, 259 00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:45,000 sir. He said, huh, you score high enough on as a 260 00:20:45,039 --> 00:20:52,279 PTSD like someone who's seen a live action like you've been exposed to areas that 261 00:20:52,319 --> 00:20:56,160 your life could have been threatened for a long period of time. You were 262 00:20:56,200 --> 00:21:00,000 on a high alert. He said, can you tell me why that is? 263 00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:03,319 And I said, no, sir, I cannot because, if you 264 00:21:03,359 --> 00:21:07,359 guys, remember on Friday night when we talked about it, my boyfriend and 265 00:21:07,359 --> 00:21:11,839 I made a vow, we made a pinky square to never tell anybody about 266 00:21:11,839 --> 00:21:15,799 it because they think we were crazy or maybe it would bring it back to 267 00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:21,799 attack us. And so I couldn't tell him, and so he got really 268 00:21:21,880 --> 00:21:25,480 upset with me and said he was going to quit seeing me if I didn't 269 00:21:25,519 --> 00:21:26,599 open up, and I said, well, I'm sorry, I can't. 270 00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:33,119 So he wrote on my diagnosis battered wife syndrome, that wasn't the case at 271 00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:38,799 all, that I couldn't you tell him what it was, And so he 272 00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:44,680 contacted my doctor and he was saying, oh no, that's not that's not 273 00:21:44,839 --> 00:21:47,880 her. I know her. Now you got it wrong. If you guys, 274 00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:51,680 remember on Friday night, I told you the hair would stand up on 275 00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:56,119 the back of my neck and it was like my body learned. Oh no, 276 00:21:56,640 --> 00:22:00,000 it's coming. I would still get that, and I would automatically just 277 00:22:00,039 --> 00:22:02,960 go no, no, no, no, no, you know, and 278 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:07,559 I'd be looking around frantically. I wouldn't see it, but something told me 279 00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:11,160 that it was still around. It was still keeping tabs on me, and 280 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:17,000 I wasn't sure why it wasn't coming on up and you know, making itself 281 00:22:17,079 --> 00:22:22,400 known like it had. But I often wondered if he showed up to see 282 00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:26,640 our daughter, would that make it mad like it did when he grabbed my 283 00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:30,720 arm, because I saw the change in its eyes that night. It was 284 00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:37,039 anger, and I told him you could never be within ten feet of me. 285 00:22:37,279 --> 00:22:40,720 I think it will attack us. I'm not sure why, but I 286 00:22:40,759 --> 00:22:42,799 just don't think it likes you at all. And so, you know, 287 00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:48,599 she grew up telling people that she never saw her mom and dad in the 288 00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:52,480 same room ever, and it's probably one of the few kids that can say 289 00:22:52,519 --> 00:22:56,960 that from a broken home. But they never did. And so the fact 290 00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:59,799 that I felt like it was watching me, you know, from a distance, 291 00:22:59,839 --> 00:23:03,599 I think also played into me starting to have the panic attacks they started 292 00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:07,079 having because I didn't know when it was going to decide, Okay, that's 293 00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:14,240 long enough, I'm coming but thank god it didn't. And so that's how 294 00:23:14,279 --> 00:23:21,359 it has affected me and still had you know up till now, you poor 295 00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:25,279 thing. No one should have to go through all that. That is absolutely 296 00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:30,319 horrible. I'm so glad that you came to terms with your encounters, But 297 00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:33,119 how easy or difficult was it for you to come to terms with them after 298 00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:38,319 that first conversation or two we had. Oh well, I forgot one other 299 00:23:38,319 --> 00:23:42,960 things, if you bear with me here. Also during that time, I 300 00:23:44,039 --> 00:23:51,160 started contacting different faiths and asking, you know, Catholic priest, that, 301 00:23:52,079 --> 00:23:56,359 Baptist pastors, Pentecostal pastors, you know, have you guys ever known anything 302 00:23:56,480 --> 00:24:00,279 like this? Could this be some kind of a demon, because remember I 303 00:24:00,319 --> 00:24:04,559 hadn't met you and had the term dog man. Yet I had them coming 304 00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:10,519 over. One did exorcism on the house. One tried to do an exorcism 305 00:24:10,559 --> 00:24:14,759 on me because I told him I had heard the words when I was first 306 00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:17,039 starting to look up at it. If you look at it in the eyes, 307 00:24:17,039 --> 00:24:18,160 it's going to come into you. So I didn't know if that was 308 00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:26,960 possession or into the house. They were, you know, anointing the windows 309 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:30,799 and doors with oil, saying maybe it couldn't pass across that. Now they 310 00:24:30,799 --> 00:24:34,079 had me wearing cross necklaces, across bracelets, cross rings. I mean, 311 00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:38,759 I was trying everything I could think of to help, and you know, 312 00:24:38,839 --> 00:24:44,440 praying protection over. I was burning sage every week in the house, so 313 00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:49,039 I you know, I had every avenue. And so then after I talked 314 00:24:49,039 --> 00:24:56,119 to you and you gave me that insight about you know, I'm kind of 315 00:24:56,440 --> 00:25:00,559 overreacting now. I'm it's my own worst enemy because of it going to kill 316 00:25:00,599 --> 00:25:03,200 me. It would have done it. It was kind of hard for me 317 00:25:03,279 --> 00:25:10,480 to think I had been mountain climbing a molehill all this time. But this 318 00:25:10,519 --> 00:25:15,279 guy sounds like he knows what he's talking about. Could it be that simple? 319 00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:19,480 Could I be able to actually do that? And I don't know that. 320 00:25:19,599 --> 00:25:23,000 There's something about your voice, and I'm sure your listeners think that too. 321 00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:30,160 It's so calming and it's so soothing that you know, you're just like 322 00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:36,839 a warm blanket being put on somebody that's just shaking from a chill they can't 323 00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:41,920 get over. And I thank you for your your kindness and your patience. 324 00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:45,920 It comes through and your voice and in your actions. And that first night 325 00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:52,039 when I actually got some sleep, I was amazed, and I couldn't wait 326 00:25:52,079 --> 00:25:56,359 to tell you that next day. Hey, I got sleep, I didn't 327 00:25:56,359 --> 00:26:00,119 have a nightmare. I don't remember the last time I could have said that. 328 00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:04,359 And I just want to thank you again because you know, that's what 329 00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:10,000 killed my ex husband, is that every time he tried to go to sleep, 330 00:26:10,039 --> 00:26:15,319 he'd see those green glowing eyes, you know, bearing it right into 331 00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:18,279 his soul. And that's why he would drink, you know, or get 332 00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:22,799 wasted on pills. And it killed me for and I just wasn't about to 333 00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:26,079 let that happen to both of her parents, and so I put up with 334 00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:32,880 the nightmares. But I don't have to now, thank you, and thanks 335 00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:37,799 to Ann. That's right. You definitely don't have to you don't. Yeah, 336 00:26:37,839 --> 00:26:45,440 please don't forget that either. When you first spoke with a promise, 337 00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:51,039 Oh, I'm sorry, what did you say? I said, I promise 338 00:26:51,079 --> 00:26:55,079 you I will not forget great. Yeah, I hope you never do, 339 00:26:55,559 --> 00:27:00,759 that's for sure. Due to the problems Jill was still having with nightmares and 340 00:27:00,839 --> 00:27:04,319 night tears, that's why I referred her over to Ann. If it was 341 00:27:04,519 --> 00:27:11,000 just a matter of okay, I think she can beat these nighttieres and nightmares. 342 00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:14,960 With a little bit of time, I would have just left it that 343 00:27:15,839 --> 00:27:19,200 and had confidence that, Okay, she'll get better. But yeah, from 344 00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:23,640 what you told me about the problems you're having with those nightmares and night tears, 345 00:27:25,039 --> 00:27:27,880 I thought, yeah, there's definitely a problem here where she needs some 346 00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:32,759 serious help to overcome this. You told us that you had nightmares and night 347 00:27:32,799 --> 00:27:36,720 tiers, but you didn't tell us what the nature of the night tears were 348 00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:41,200 or the nightmares. Please go into detail on that for us, Oh boyd 349 00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:48,640 okay, I'll give you example. I have a few of the nightmares until 350 00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:52,519 it gets to where it's hard for me to talk about it. One of 351 00:27:52,559 --> 00:27:56,319 them was that I would seem like I was outside, I was busy doing 352 00:27:56,400 --> 00:28:00,759 something and I had forgotten the time, and it was getting dark on me, 353 00:28:02,599 --> 00:28:06,039 and I was trying to throw and put everything up and try to get 354 00:28:06,039 --> 00:28:10,319 into the house. And it seemed like the harder I tried to get there, 355 00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:14,240 the quicker it was becoming dark. You know, at the further way 356 00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:17,799 the house seemed to be getting I wasn't making it to it, and I 357 00:28:17,839 --> 00:28:22,000 was giving it everything I had, And I got up to the front door, 358 00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:26,559 got my hand on the doorknob, and it landed on the porch. 359 00:28:26,279 --> 00:28:32,319 With the left hand, it pinned me down from the shoulders up. It 360 00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:37,400 took its feet with the claws, and it buried it in to my you 361 00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:41,000 know, my left thigh, so it had me pinned there. And then 362 00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:47,400 it leaned over me and with the right hand the claws, it ripped my 363 00:28:47,559 --> 00:28:52,960 abdomen clear open, and as I'm laying there screaming, it reach in pulled 364 00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:57,200 my intestines out and started eating them in front of me. That would be 365 00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:02,319 the type of that. The next time it might be my liver, but 366 00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:06,640 it was always I was being eaten alive, and it was loving it. 367 00:29:07,079 --> 00:29:15,559 Another one would be that I was going in to my bedroom to put laundry 368 00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:19,359 up, and I always had little nightlights in every room at night so that 369 00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:22,240 my daughter and I could see. And you know, like I said, 370 00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:26,559 the windows weren't going to let any kind of light in. And I would 371 00:29:26,559 --> 00:29:30,279 be going in there with some laundry, was going to put it up in 372 00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:36,119 my chest of doors, and I took and put the laundry up on top 373 00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:37,960 of it so I could open up a drawer to put it in. And 374 00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:44,759 I realized, oh my god, I just set the laundry onto something that 375 00:29:44,799 --> 00:29:47,119 shouldn't be up there. What is this kind of hard? And so I 376 00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:51,839 leaned forward in the dark to look, and I recognized the shininess of the 377 00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:56,599 claws. It was its feet. It was standing up on top of that, 378 00:29:56,799 --> 00:30:00,319 and it wrenched down and pulled me up by the throat, clear up 379 00:30:00,319 --> 00:30:03,079 to where I was hanging in the air, eye to eye with it, 380 00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:07,640 and it looked at me for a minute, and then it just bit in 381 00:30:07,839 --> 00:30:11,759 and ripped my throat out. That was another one that seemed to hit me 382 00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:18,480 all the time. Another one was I would wake up in my bed, 383 00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:22,279 but you're still asleep, but you think you really woke up, And as 384 00:30:22,319 --> 00:30:29,279 I would look over in the corner would be two those yellowish green eyes glowing 385 00:30:29,279 --> 00:30:32,119 and shining up quite a bit, and I would realize that it was in 386 00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:37,359 the room, and so I would start screaming. And then I would actually 387 00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:41,160 be waking up and I would turn on the light. The light switch was 388 00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:45,559 right above my head and it wasn't even there, And then I realized it 389 00:30:45,599 --> 00:30:51,680 wasn't in the bedroom with me. That I had just you know, dreamed 390 00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:56,119 that it was, so that that would kind of scare me. Another one 391 00:30:56,160 --> 00:31:00,039 was that it's like I was in an old, abandoned western town of some 392 00:31:00,079 --> 00:31:03,839 sort and it was chasing me, and there wasn't anybody else around, and 393 00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:10,000 I was running into buildings and trying to hide in different things, and all 394 00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:11,680 of a sudden, it would be ahead of me, and I would think, 395 00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:15,039 oh my god. So I would turn around and I would start running 396 00:31:15,119 --> 00:31:18,480 the other way, and it would be in front of me again, and 397 00:31:18,799 --> 00:31:22,319 I would go cut and I thought, is it trying to wear me out? 398 00:31:22,319 --> 00:31:26,000 And I'm going back and forth and each time, you know, I 399 00:31:26,039 --> 00:31:30,119 got lesser and lesser with the amount that I was being able to run to 400 00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:36,720 until it was almost pinning me down. And then at the last minute two 401 00:31:36,759 --> 00:31:40,599 of them walked out. I realized it hadn't been just one that I was 402 00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:44,960 trying to outrun the whole time. It was two, and they'd been playing 403 00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:48,960 games with me, just kind of feeding on my fear like an appetizer before 404 00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:52,480 they jumped me. And then that's when both of them would jump on me 405 00:31:52,519 --> 00:31:57,960 and just start ripping me up. I mean, the pain was just unbelievable 406 00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:05,000 of being just to our part while you're still there, and that's kind of 407 00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:10,039 the essence of them, and I'm starting to shake pretty hard, So I'm 408 00:32:10,079 --> 00:32:15,759 sorry. I don't think I can say anymore right now. No, that's 409 00:32:15,799 --> 00:32:20,920 okay, I totally understand. Please don't, for anyone listening, please imagine 410 00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:23,160 for a second what it would be like to know when you go to bed 411 00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:29,720 every night that that is waiting for you. That's why I'm so glad that 412 00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:34,279 End's there and is so interested in helping people the way she does. Someone 413 00:32:34,359 --> 00:32:37,519 asked in the comments section, well, what's End's last name? Why I 414 00:32:37,559 --> 00:32:39,079 don't put that out there. I'm not too sure that she would want me 415 00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:44,359 to put it out there, so I don't. But yeah, like I 416 00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:49,480 said, she is living proof that not all angels have wings because she really 417 00:32:49,559 --> 00:32:52,440 is a miracle worker. I don't know how she works for magic, but 418 00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:57,119 time after time with eyewitnesses who've had a lot of trouble with dog Man related 419 00:32:58,119 --> 00:33:02,799 night tears and nightmares, what she does teaching them and teaching you to Joe 420 00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:08,640 how to lucid dream. It works time after time. It works. So 421 00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:13,119 why ask why? I'm just so glad that she is there and she does 422 00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:17,359 what she does, thank goodness, teaches you to realize, Hey, this 423 00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:22,799 is a dream I'm dreaming. I could become in charge of this. Now 424 00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:29,319 I'm the big bad wolf Inness and I can control you, and that is 425 00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:35,519 really empowering. You know, that's great, That is great. Yeah, 426 00:33:35,599 --> 00:33:39,960 nothing to fear then, So that's understandable. Joe, you told us Friday 427 00:33:40,079 --> 00:33:45,079 night that as a kid you weren't allowed to express emotions the way most kids 428 00:33:45,119 --> 00:33:50,279 are allowed to. Did growing up that environment suppress your fear response in your 429 00:33:50,359 --> 00:33:57,400 opinion, Well, I would guess so, because I never thought that I 430 00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:04,160 could even become afraid. There I was taught was a weakness. There was 431 00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:08,199 something that girls do. You know, guys don't do that. Guys are 432 00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:13,039 strong, Guys are tough, Guys are worth something. And so I tried 433 00:34:13,079 --> 00:34:15,280 real hard, Like I said, that's why I quit going by choice to 434 00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:20,519 Joe. You know, I was trying so hard to show that I had 435 00:34:20,599 --> 00:34:23,599 worth and I could be just as tough as them. So it probably did 436 00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:28,719 suppress it in a way in the fact, by the way of since I 437 00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:34,199 didn't learn when I was young how to deal with it appropriately, that when 438 00:34:34,199 --> 00:34:36,840 it did start happening to me, I was at well, you know, 439 00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:40,599 I was lost. I had no healthy ways of dealing with it. So 440 00:34:42,119 --> 00:34:46,159 at that point it probably was four times or five times as bad as it 441 00:34:46,159 --> 00:34:50,960 would have been for somebody that you know, Mom and Dad rocked them on 442 00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:52,760 their lap and said, you know, there's nothing to be afraid of them 443 00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:57,440 right here. You know that's normal. I didn't get those things, So 444 00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:02,280 yeah, I think it definitely a affected everything about the fear aspect of it. 445 00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:07,800 Oh, I'm sure it did. And like I've told you several times 446 00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:10,960 before, I'm so sorry you had to grow up experiencing things like that. 447 00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:15,960 That is horrible. In fact, that reminds me of the one story you 448 00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:19,880 told me about the time when you went home and asked your mom if she 449 00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:22,679 loved you? What story behind that? If you don't mind putting that out 450 00:35:22,679 --> 00:35:30,800 there. I had gotten off this gold bus and I noticed a lady giving 451 00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:34,559 her daughter a hug, and she said, I'll see you later, I 452 00:35:34,599 --> 00:35:37,440 love you, and gave her a kiss on the forehead, and the little 453 00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:39,920 girl said I love you, and I thought, now, wait a second, 454 00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:45,320 I've never been told that that I'm loved. My mom's never said that 455 00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:52,519 to me, and it bothered me all day. And so I went home 456 00:35:52,599 --> 00:35:57,840 and I walked up to her, and I was like ten at the time, 457 00:35:58,599 --> 00:36:02,519 and I said, I saw something today and I told her, and 458 00:36:02,559 --> 00:36:06,000 I could tell she was kind of getting a little agitated with me, and 459 00:36:06,079 --> 00:36:08,880 I said, I was just wondering, do you love me? And I 460 00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:12,639 started to kind of look up at her, and I didn't even see it 461 00:36:12,679 --> 00:36:16,639 coming. Man, she hit me so hard across the right side of my 462 00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:22,039 face. I guess it was open hand, I don't know, but my 463 00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:24,360 head went to the left so hard it felt like it sprung my neck. 464 00:36:25,159 --> 00:36:32,400 And she said, how dare you insult me like that? How dare you 465 00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:37,800 You have clothes on your back, you have food in your stomach, and 466 00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:42,079 you have a bed to sleep in. If I didn't love you, you 467 00:36:42,119 --> 00:36:46,280 wouldn't have any of those things. How dare you hurt me that way? 468 00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:51,920 How dare you say that? And I felt so bad that I had hurt 469 00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:57,440 my mom uh that way, you know, by being a horrible person and 470 00:36:57,559 --> 00:37:01,960 hurting her that I actually grew for the way I treated her for probably two 471 00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:09,880 weeks, and so I just never questioned anything after that. It. You 472 00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:15,960 know, I knew one time this probably sounds bad to everybody, but I 473 00:37:16,079 --> 00:37:23,000 kind of knew what the emotion hate felt like if I got physically hurt. 474 00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:28,639 You know, my mom would laugh. She thought it was funny, and 475 00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:31,440 I would hate that. I would hate she did that, but I didn't 476 00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:39,559 think I hated her. Well, when I was four, I saw on 477 00:37:39,679 --> 00:37:45,599 a neighbor's TV and that you could hang a stocking up at Christmas time and 478 00:37:45,639 --> 00:37:47,719 you get all kinds of candy. And that was something I didn't get, 479 00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:52,760 and I thought wow. So I went home, and you know, I 480 00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:55,159 wasn't dumb. I wasn't going to get one of my little socks. I 481 00:37:55,199 --> 00:37:58,559 was going to get one of my dad's socks. Now, I was going 482 00:37:58,639 --> 00:38:02,519 to have candy for the whole year. He had a size twelve foot And 483 00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:06,679 they asked me what I was doing, and I said, I'm going to 484 00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:09,920 have a stocking full of candy. You know, Santa brings that to you. 485 00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:13,559 And they're all looking at each other, kind of funny. Well, 486 00:38:13,599 --> 00:38:17,679 I didn't realize that they were poor and they didn't have money to get me 487 00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:22,320 a candy to fill up a sock. They didn't have money, which is 488 00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:27,400 why we didn't have a Christmas tree and we didn't celebrate Christmas. You know, 489 00:38:27,519 --> 00:38:30,559 I didn't know that back then. I thought it was from somebody that 490 00:38:31,079 --> 00:38:34,920 could afford it, I guess, you know, or he just magically made 491 00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:42,039 it. So I put the stocking up against the front door, and I 492 00:38:42,119 --> 00:38:45,920 got up the next morning and I went running out there and this stocking was 493 00:38:45,079 --> 00:38:50,480 stretched, Oh my gosh, so full. And I looked up at my 494 00:38:50,559 --> 00:38:52,880 mom and my oldest brother. I told you was always giving me a hard 495 00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:58,639 time, and I had this big smile and they're trying not to giggle. 496 00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:01,320 And that should have been a warmant. But I grabbed it and turned it 497 00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:09,519 upside down and started shaking it expecting all of this, and out flew potatoes 498 00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:19,480 and black eyed beans that weren't cooked, jet cigarettes, cigarette lighter, some 499 00:39:19,599 --> 00:39:23,800 rocks, you know, just strange stuff. I mean, I couldn't believe 500 00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:27,639 what I was seeing. And I stopped and I'm looking at that and I'm 501 00:39:27,679 --> 00:39:30,440 looking up kind of confused, and they are just laughing, you know, 502 00:39:30,559 --> 00:39:35,760 like holding their side laughing. And I think that's the first time I ever 503 00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:39,280 felt the emotion hate, actually hate somebody, you know. I hated that 504 00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:44,679 they thought it was so funny that I wasn't good enough to get, you 505 00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:50,360 know, the candy and my brother said, see, even Santa doesn't like 506 00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:52,800 you because you're a girl. And I went back and got in bed and 507 00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:55,280 I just I don't think I even got out the rest of that day. 508 00:39:55,360 --> 00:40:00,800 I didn't even want to eat. So emotions when and I did have them, 509 00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:05,679 they weren't healthy, they weren't good, and so it really did mess 510 00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:10,400 with me. It really did. Well, it's understandable why I did mess 511 00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:15,599 with you. Shame on her, shame on your appearance for treating you the 512 00:40:15,639 --> 00:40:20,000 way they did. That is just horrible. And for her to get a 513 00:40:20,159 --> 00:40:23,599 tiff into a tiff the way she did when you quote unquote have the nerve 514 00:40:23,639 --> 00:40:27,519 to ask her if she loved you, well, that's a testament right there 515 00:40:27,599 --> 00:40:31,360 to why you asked her her response, Yeah, that's horrible. And one 516 00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:35,880 of the reasons why I asked you to lay that out for us is to 517 00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:43,440 set up the opportunity to basically help the listeners understand where you are coming from 518 00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:49,119 compared to where you are now. You haven't really been shown all that much 519 00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:52,320 at all in the way of love and support, but now you've got tons 520 00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:58,079 of love and tons of support from the dog man community. As you can 521 00:40:58,119 --> 00:41:02,079 see, there are tons and tons of people that are supporting you from all 522 00:41:02,119 --> 00:41:07,760 sorts of different countries. You've got people listening in Bangladesh to you talk about 523 00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:14,800 your experiences. China, Wow. Yeah, Australia, You've got people listening 524 00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:20,639 to you, and every continent except for Antarctica. So you've got love, 525 00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:25,760 You've got support. Now please never forget that. Nice have no idea what 526 00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:30,760 this means to me. This You have shown me more love in the last 527 00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:37,039 forty eight hours than I've had put together my entire life. Thank you so 528 00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:40,679 much. I'm just going to be so amazed when that hits five thousand. 529 00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:47,800 Oh my god, I told you this, you did. They're amazing. 530 00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:53,719 When you don't grow up feeling that, it's hard to imagine that, you 531 00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:59,599 know. And I think that's one reason why I loved being a nurse so 532 00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:02,639 much, because you know, I could be there for people and show kindness 533 00:42:02,639 --> 00:42:07,599 and things and they appreciated it so much. And them, you know, 534 00:42:07,679 --> 00:42:10,199 giving me a hug and saying thank you. They didn't know it, but 535 00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:15,719 they were kind of meeting a need in my heart too, you know, 536 00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:23,920 because I was being shown kindness back and it was wonderful. Definitely is Yeah, 537 00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:27,639 I just keep hammering home the fact that you're not alone. Now, 538 00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:30,559 you've got support, You've got love. These people wouldn't support you the way 539 00:42:30,599 --> 00:42:35,599 they do and are if they didn't feel that way about you. So yeah, 540 00:42:35,639 --> 00:42:38,599 like I said, please never forget that. It looks like I've got 541 00:42:38,599 --> 00:42:43,320 the first question for you from the live chat. Are you ready to start 542 00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:47,760 answering them? Yes? I am all right. Great. The first one 543 00:42:49,199 --> 00:42:52,360 is from Mars Stall and mar wants to know, Joe, are you going 544 00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:58,639 to be able to take all of your furniture with the black mold? Well, 545 00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:01,119 I know one of you guys warned me that it could be on some 546 00:43:01,159 --> 00:43:06,440 of the furnitures, So I'm going to ask somebody from the health department to 547 00:43:06,519 --> 00:43:09,920 come and examine it with me and see if I have it. If I 548 00:43:10,039 --> 00:43:15,360 do, no, i won't be taking that piece of furniture. I'll leave 549 00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:20,960 it here for her to enjoy. With the mold in the house, and 550 00:43:21,039 --> 00:43:23,840 the ones that are okay, I will go ahead and take. And I 551 00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:27,639 didn't even realize it could get on furniture. You know, I planned on 552 00:43:27,719 --> 00:43:30,840 selling my furniture to try to be able to move in there, and I 553 00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:35,079 would have felt so bad if I sold somebody something with black mold. So 554 00:43:35,119 --> 00:43:38,199 I appreciated the listener telling me that, and that's how I'm going to deal 555 00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:43,440 with that. Good question. Thank you, That is a good question. 556 00:43:44,199 --> 00:43:49,239 The next one is from Queen of Ocean, and Queen wants to know how 557 00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:54,920 far out in the country were you. We didn't have these encounters five miles. 558 00:43:57,000 --> 00:44:00,960 It was exactly five miles to our farm. Yeah, that's pretty far 559 00:44:01,039 --> 00:44:06,360 out there. Her next question is what state was this in? Please? 560 00:44:06,639 --> 00:44:10,880 Thank you, the state of Kansas. And that's why I asked if there 561 00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:15,679 are any attorneys listening who are based in Kansas who might be interested in taking 562 00:44:15,679 --> 00:44:21,519 this case up against that awful landlord, the slum lord. That's why I 563 00:44:21,559 --> 00:44:25,679 asked about that. I live in southeast Kansas and I'm about one hundred and 564 00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:30,519 ten miles from the Oklahoma border. It's a lot of country around there. 565 00:44:31,639 --> 00:44:35,960 Oh yeah, I've got another one for you from Baby Girl, and her 566 00:44:36,079 --> 00:44:40,760 question is do you think that dog man was jealous of your boyfriend? You 567 00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:45,920 know, I wondered about I don't know if it was like jealousy that didn't 568 00:44:45,159 --> 00:44:51,559 like me, but I think that it had determined that I was it, 569 00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:54,320 you know, I belonged to it so that it could torture me, so 570 00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:59,480 it could enjoy the fear. And when he grabbed a hold of me, 571 00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:04,719 You're right, that's when the look changed. And that's when it was coming. 572 00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:07,880 You know, it was coming through the side of the house where it 573 00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:12,039 could have just come through the window before. So yeah, it definitely changed 574 00:45:12,079 --> 00:45:15,239 its motive at that point. That's why I always made sure the hen I 575 00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:19,199 were never around each other again, because I saw that change. Like I 576 00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:22,159 said, I don't think that it was jealousy. It was just anger that 577 00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:27,840 it was. He was trying to take its toy that he messed with to 578 00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:34,199 get fear so he could enjoy it. Yeah, pretty sadistic, but that's 579 00:45:34,199 --> 00:45:37,559 how it goes with these guys. Like I've been explaining to you, that's 580 00:45:37,599 --> 00:45:42,440 par for the course. This next one is from Cynthia Cole, and Cynthia's 581 00:45:42,519 --> 00:45:45,039 question is, Joe, do you think you'll get a dog? Now? 582 00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:50,480 As you already know, pitt bulls are protective and big goofballs too. Yeah, 583 00:45:50,519 --> 00:45:52,800 that they are. It may help you to heal from this trauma to 584 00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:58,320 get a dog. You know, my daughter and I were talking about that 585 00:45:58,519 --> 00:46:06,239 last night and I am proud to tell everyone that she knows a guy that 586 00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:10,920 his dog just had puppies three weeks ago, and so in another three weeks, 587 00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:15,639 we're going to have a new addition to our home. And it is 588 00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:20,079 part sitz. I don't even know how to say it. I've not been 589 00:46:20,119 --> 00:46:23,920 around that many dogs and uh, part Pomeranian. So I hope that's a 590 00:46:24,079 --> 00:46:28,960 cute mixture and it won't be that big. So I guess you could bite 591 00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:31,719 the toes of a dog man, but maybe it went at least alertist that 592 00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:37,800 it's there. But yes, we are going to try that experience. That's 593 00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:42,800 funny, like the toes. Yeah, that it could. I was going 594 00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:45,800 to ask you this question later on, but now that we're talking about getting 595 00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:50,440 a pet, getting a dog, I'm going to post this comment. Joe 596 00:46:50,559 --> 00:46:53,239 Daniels put a comment up that says, Joe, if you get a support 597 00:46:53,320 --> 00:47:02,360 animal slash pet slash baby, can you call it vic that's funny? No, 598 00:47:02,559 --> 00:47:07,760 what this the one she's talking about is a little boy. You know, 599 00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:13,559 I think we will do that. You're going to have a Yeah, 600 00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:21,920 if you get in trouble, we're gonna say Victor. It's not that sounds 601 00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:27,840 like a plan. That's funny. That's too funny. Never a doll moment. 602 00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:30,599 Yeah, my cousin who's old enough to be my uncle, were actually 603 00:47:30,639 --> 00:47:35,880 a father. He used to tease me because he used to say there was 604 00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:38,880 a dog named Vic that was around the family had before I was even born, 605 00:47:39,119 --> 00:47:43,480 that I was named after. I wasn't. But yeah, this has 606 00:47:43,519 --> 00:47:46,280 given me flashbacks. He used to tell me that all the time, all 607 00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:53,800 the time. But now that we're sharing comments, Jessica Weyles has a comment. 608 00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:59,039 She says, Joe, you've just adopted a huge family, or maybe 609 00:47:59,079 --> 00:48:01,320 we've adopted you. I wanted to make sure you knew about that comment. 610 00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:07,639 That's awfully nice of her. That is so precious. Oh my gosh, 611 00:48:07,679 --> 00:48:12,159 thank you, sweetheart. You guys are wonderful. How about we just all 612 00:48:12,199 --> 00:48:15,320 adopt each other. I don't want to lose you. Guys know that I've 613 00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:22,159 got you. I told you they're incredible. You know, I just never 614 00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:25,320 dreamed people were that way, because if your own family isn't loving toward you, 615 00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:35,360 how can a stranger be. Yeah, you've taught me that they but 616 00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:39,280 they are. That's right, they are. They're just good people out there, 617 00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:43,599 and that's all there is. To it, So why ask why? 618 00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:51,119 I always say, I've got another question for you from Andre's cairasales and Andres 619 00:48:51,119 --> 00:48:55,360 wants to know. Have you listened to the Roy steubble Field episode or episodes? 620 00:48:55,559 --> 00:49:00,320 The first one is episode two fifty seven? What happened to Herman? 621 00:49:00,679 --> 00:49:05,159 Was it like that for you? Very thankful that your family. No, 622 00:49:05,199 --> 00:49:10,119 I'm sorry, very thankful that you're finally healing and sleeping. Well, you 623 00:49:10,159 --> 00:49:15,159 know I have listened to that program. As a matter of fact, I've 624 00:49:15,199 --> 00:49:22,719 had the privilege of speaking with Roy on the phone because I wanted to ask 625 00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:25,800 him about Herman. That is so amazing that you brought that up. And 626 00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:31,239 yes, it was a lot like that, only with Herman. He didn't 627 00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:37,159 get the help that he needed in time, and he continued to go down 628 00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:45,079 and down and down until he committed suicide. I don't know if you guys 629 00:49:45,159 --> 00:49:50,400 know that or not. Yeah, and that has really hit Roy hard. 630 00:49:50,440 --> 00:49:53,519 Course, what could he do. He didn't know him, you know, 631 00:49:53,599 --> 00:49:58,199 before that night, and he helped getting back to his mom's house. I 632 00:49:58,199 --> 00:50:00,840 mean, he did what he could do. But you know, some people, 633 00:50:01,199 --> 00:50:05,559 it just affects some words. And I'm telling you, if that dog 634 00:50:05,679 --> 00:50:09,039 min would have nailed me down into the gravel like that and not had a 635 00:50:09,079 --> 00:50:15,360 window between us and been on top of me and looking at him that way. 636 00:50:15,119 --> 00:50:20,400 And he said they didn't have it on the show, but it actually 637 00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:24,320 bent its head down and went forehead to forehead almost with him look at him 638 00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:28,920 in the eyes that close. Now you think about the influence that they have 639 00:50:29,079 --> 00:50:31,960 when they lock eyes with you. Who knows what thoughts it put into his 640 00:50:32,119 --> 00:50:37,039 head. You know, I just my heart breaks for him. It just 641 00:50:37,159 --> 00:50:43,840 breaks. So he had it ten times worse than I did. You know. 642 00:50:44,079 --> 00:50:46,719 I thank god that I was never on the same side of the window. 643 00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:52,559 I do too, But other things go into it, you know, 644 00:50:52,639 --> 00:50:59,199 your emotional makeup and things like that, certain things the dog man does do 645 00:50:59,440 --> 00:51:04,199 or doesn't do. So it's really hard to say. You can have factors 646 00:51:04,239 --> 00:51:07,639 and make it seem like this person over here wouldn't have been traumatized to the 647 00:51:07,679 --> 00:51:14,159 point that this person over there was. But yeah, those things, those 648 00:51:14,239 --> 00:51:17,400 metrics I just mentioned, It makes it so you never really know how strongly 649 00:51:17,679 --> 00:51:22,159 someone's going to be affected by their encounter. It's just really hard to say. 650 00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:24,280 All I can say about that matter is I really wish I could have 651 00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:30,800 spoken with herman before he committed suicide. I really do well he would have 652 00:51:30,840 --> 00:51:34,920 prevented it, Vick, I really do. I hope. So yeah. 653 00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:37,960 I've spoken with eyewitnesses who had it even worse than him, in situations that 654 00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:45,000 were even more tense than that attack victims. So and they're doing okay now. 655 00:51:45,880 --> 00:51:50,719 But I should have, could have, would have. It's just too 656 00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:53,679 late to help him. But moving on, I've got another question for you, 657 00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:58,239 Joe from Angie Wilson, and Angie wants to know, do you know 658 00:51:58,320 --> 00:52:04,199 for sure that the sewage and mold was removed. You know, you guys 659 00:52:04,239 --> 00:52:08,719 also had to be banking on that when he first came and said, oh 660 00:52:08,760 --> 00:52:13,239 my god, you're so right. That's like two and a half three foot 661 00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:15,320 deep in there, and he's like measure with his hands. He said, 662 00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:21,159 it's going to take us some time to get that all removed and disposed of, 663 00:52:21,719 --> 00:52:24,280 and then that area is going to have to dry out. We're going 664 00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:29,760 to replace the broken sewer pipe, We're going to treat and get rid of 665 00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:32,639 the black mole, and then you know, we're going to let that all 666 00:52:32,639 --> 00:52:37,000 air out. That'll be at least five days, and then you'll be able 667 00:52:37,039 --> 00:52:42,360 to come back. He came back. He started at nine o'clock on a 668 00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:46,639 Monday morning. He came over to the neighbor's house at one point thirty the 669 00:52:46,719 --> 00:52:52,679 next afternoon and said that they could move my recliner back. They moved my 670 00:52:52,719 --> 00:52:57,360 recliner over there so I could sleep because I can't lay flat with my breathing 671 00:52:57,400 --> 00:53:00,840 difficulties now. And the lady I was there with said, now, wait 672 00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:06,119 a second. You're telling me that you have that all done. And he 673 00:53:06,199 --> 00:53:09,079 said, yes, we worked overtime, and she looked at him kind of 674 00:53:09,079 --> 00:53:13,320 funny, and she said there were two of you. And he said, 675 00:53:13,599 --> 00:53:16,199 we did a good job. And he looked at me and he said, 676 00:53:17,159 --> 00:53:22,719 I want you to know that you were right about everything. And he's looking 677 00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:28,159 me right now. Everything you said was right, and I'm so sorry about 678 00:53:28,199 --> 00:53:31,360 your health. And when he left, she said, isn't that kind of 679 00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:35,440 weird he did that? And I said, yeah, but you know, 680 00:53:35,519 --> 00:53:38,480 she told him you can't take her chair today. I don't feel right about 681 00:53:38,480 --> 00:53:43,559 it. He said, okay, well we're done. We'll come back and 682 00:53:43,599 --> 00:53:46,679 get your chair and move you back tomorrow morning. And I said, well 683 00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:52,920 okay, and she just kept saying there's something wrong. So you know, 684 00:53:52,679 --> 00:53:57,119 I got thinking about that. There's no way that they could have got that 685 00:53:57,159 --> 00:54:00,280 all out, just two of them that much. There's no way they let 686 00:54:00,280 --> 00:54:04,760 it dry. And then as I was talking to Vic, I hope this 687 00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:08,079 is okay. I say this Vic about him putting the lie on the black 688 00:54:08,159 --> 00:54:12,920 mold to kill it. VIC looked it up and informed me the why doesn't 689 00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:19,239 kill black and I was really and he said, you know, you probably 690 00:54:19,239 --> 00:54:22,880 shouldn't need to be smelling the lie because we came back and our eyes were 691 00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:28,079 burning, you know, our throats were burning, our nose was burning. 692 00:54:28,280 --> 00:54:30,199 And I told her, I said, well, that must be the lie 693 00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:34,239 killing it. But I think it was just added, you know, things 694 00:54:34,280 --> 00:54:38,639 in the air that we were smelling. But whatever he did killed the scent. 695 00:54:38,800 --> 00:54:45,159 We haven't smelled that sewer scent, so I think they probably did something 696 00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:47,639 to cover it up. And that's why she's winning me out so fast, 697 00:54:49,119 --> 00:54:52,519 so she can sell it to somebody else that's unsuspecting. And that's why as 698 00:54:52,559 --> 00:54:57,960 soon as I get my things out and i'm in that place, I'm going 699 00:54:58,039 --> 00:55:02,280 to start getting someone to move on this, get an attorney, because I 700 00:55:02,280 --> 00:55:06,679 think if I started it before I have my things. I think she probably 701 00:55:06,719 --> 00:55:09,519 would have a bunch of people come in here and throw my stuff out on 702 00:55:09,599 --> 00:55:15,559 the front lawn and I am not physically able to stop it. She has 703 00:55:15,599 --> 00:55:22,000 a lot of power in this town, I mean to say that, because 704 00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:25,800 she owns a lot of rental properties here, so she has a lot of 705 00:55:25,840 --> 00:55:31,519 control. So yeah, I think it's a cover up. I really do. 706 00:55:32,880 --> 00:55:37,119 Oh, I'm sure it was in more ways than one, putting that 707 00:55:37,239 --> 00:55:39,880 lie on top of the black mole to try and cover it up. Yeah, 708 00:55:39,960 --> 00:55:44,559 that's why I was pissed off when you told me about them doing that. 709 00:55:44,639 --> 00:55:47,519 The burning has to be the dust in the air from the lie that 710 00:55:47,599 --> 00:55:52,119 you definitely don't want to be breathing. Shame on him for doing that, 711 00:55:52,679 --> 00:55:57,480 and I'm sure that your landlord knew full well, but that's what he was 712 00:55:57,519 --> 00:56:01,400 going to do. So it was a way to quote unquote fix the problem, 713 00:56:01,440 --> 00:56:06,280 which you didn't fix it. Shame on her too in so many ways 714 00:56:06,360 --> 00:56:10,079 that is awful. I bet she paid him off, I really do. 715 00:56:10,960 --> 00:56:14,639 I bet she paid him off because he did not want to do that job. 716 00:56:15,280 --> 00:56:16,400 You know, he said to the guy, the guy that was with 717 00:56:16,480 --> 00:56:20,199 him when he was explaining that was laughing and saying, I'm going to call 718 00:56:20,280 --> 00:56:22,519 in all week, boss, and he goes, yeah, I want to 719 00:56:22,519 --> 00:56:23,760 call in too, because you know, of what they were going to have 720 00:56:23,800 --> 00:56:27,480 to clean out. And I was sitting there feeling bad, but I kept 721 00:56:27,559 --> 00:56:30,760 saying, I told him for seven you know, going on seven years, 722 00:56:30,239 --> 00:56:34,079 I'm so sorry, and he goes, no, no, I'm not blaming 723 00:56:34,119 --> 00:56:38,320 you. But if she paid him off for a certain amount of money and 724 00:56:38,360 --> 00:56:40,960 he didn't want to get in there and do that anyway, I'm sure he 725 00:56:42,039 --> 00:56:45,960 got it now, just enough to get to the pipe, changed it out 726 00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:52,199 and walked out, you know. So I think that's why his guilt was 727 00:56:52,199 --> 00:56:54,360 telling me a little bit. You know, you were right about everything, 728 00:56:54,440 --> 00:56:59,559 and I'm sorry about your help. I think that was his warning and kind 729 00:56:59,559 --> 00:57:04,440 of crypto. Can I just pick up on it? So yeah, I 730 00:57:04,440 --> 00:57:07,599 think that's even given. And I'm just guessing giving him bribe money or cover 731 00:57:07,719 --> 00:57:10,840 up money or something was probably going to be a lot cheaper than if he 732 00:57:10,920 --> 00:57:16,000 actually charged her for all the hours. And they probably would have even charged 733 00:57:16,039 --> 00:57:21,159 her to take it someplace to be disposed of properly, wouldn't they. Oh 734 00:57:21,239 --> 00:57:25,239 yeah, money? So yeah, So She just probably thought, I'll just 735 00:57:25,280 --> 00:57:30,519 do it this way and then sell it real quick before anybody catches on. 736 00:57:30,599 --> 00:57:36,400 That is not my problem. Anything to save a block. Unfortunately, despicable. 737 00:57:37,079 --> 00:57:42,280 That's horrible. Looks like I have another question for you from Rochelle Baher. 738 00:57:42,800 --> 00:57:46,280 Her question is, Joe, what kind of life did your parents have? 739 00:57:46,440 --> 00:57:54,840 Do you think your mother was a narcissist? Well, my father had 740 00:57:54,880 --> 00:58:00,199 a sixth grade education, my mother had an eighth grade education. He was 741 00:58:00,199 --> 00:58:05,119 from the back hills of the Ozarks. He was from the hills of Missouri. 742 00:58:06,719 --> 00:58:13,079 I just think they came from a very uneducated family. They you know, 743 00:58:13,159 --> 00:58:16,199 went through the thirties with great depression, and you know, I mean, 744 00:58:16,239 --> 00:58:22,320 they just had nothing. And when my dad's you know, his father 745 00:58:22,440 --> 00:58:27,559 died, he was in the sixth grade and he had to quit work and 746 00:58:27,639 --> 00:58:30,880 go work in a factory right next to grown men to help bring money home. 747 00:58:31,880 --> 00:58:36,079 So I just don't think that they ever knew any kindness. They were 748 00:58:36,119 --> 00:58:38,719 only you know, shown roughness. If you can imagine a young boy and 749 00:58:38,760 --> 00:58:43,079 there with these men, probably how they were picking on him and things. 750 00:58:43,280 --> 00:58:45,679 That's all they ever do. And if that's all you've ever grown up around, 751 00:58:45,840 --> 00:58:49,360 that's the only thing, you know to pass on. So I really 752 00:58:49,400 --> 00:58:55,360 can't get mad at him. I just have to understand it. And the 753 00:58:55,440 --> 00:58:58,800 only way I feel like maybe I broke it. And this is going to 754 00:58:58,840 --> 00:59:00,960 sound so silly that say I think was going for me. You know, 755 00:59:01,119 --> 00:59:06,079 I wasn't seeing anything different than when I did mention this girl and her mom 756 00:59:06,159 --> 00:59:09,719 saying that. You know, I got clocked pretty hard. So I was 757 00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:15,360 over at a friend's house a few times. My mom was working late, 758 00:59:15,119 --> 00:59:21,039 and the Brady Butch was coming on, and I honestly thought that's how families 759 00:59:21,079 --> 00:59:25,159 were. And so I kind of took mental notes from that and I tried 760 00:59:25,199 --> 00:59:29,199 to, you know, decide that when I was going to be a mom, 761 00:59:29,760 --> 00:59:32,599 I was going to try to be just like them. So, you 762 00:59:32,639 --> 00:59:36,360 know, I was going to tell my kids that I loved them every day 763 00:59:36,639 --> 00:59:38,800 because I didn't get that, or I would do this, or I would 764 00:59:38,840 --> 00:59:43,599 do you know something else every day. You know, I would make sure 765 00:59:43,639 --> 00:59:46,559 they had a present every Christmas, you know, because I knew what it 766 00:59:46,599 --> 00:59:52,119 was like not to get anything. And so I really can't be mad at 767 00:59:52,159 --> 00:59:58,440 them. I actually feel sorry for them, I really do. I can 768 00:59:58,519 --> 01:00:01,280 understand why you feel sorry for them because you just have such a pure heart. 769 01:00:01,400 --> 01:00:08,199 But please forgive me. I don't I can't stand them for what they 770 01:00:08,239 --> 01:00:14,599 did to you. You're such a pure soul. Shame on them for treating 771 01:00:14,639 --> 01:00:17,159 you the way they did. I don't care what the circumstances were. There 772 01:00:17,159 --> 01:00:22,440 are tons of people out there who weren't shown love as kids, and they've 773 01:00:22,480 --> 01:00:25,679 lived a very difficult life. But still they're very loving to their children. 774 01:00:27,360 --> 01:00:31,079 No excuse, no excuse at all. I'm not buying it, not buying 775 01:00:31,119 --> 01:00:37,280 it at all. Well, I've got another question for you from Raider Joe, 776 01:00:37,639 --> 01:00:40,039 and Raider wants to know. Not sure if I missed it or not, 777 01:00:40,519 --> 01:00:45,960 but was that the last event after that night at the boyfriend's house me 778 01:00:46,119 --> 01:00:52,559 that I saw the dog man? Yes, that was the last time that 779 01:00:52,719 --> 01:00:55,400 it came at me, just full forced right after you know. Like I 780 01:00:55,400 --> 01:01:01,000 said, I took my last test that day and when daylight came and finished 781 01:01:01,039 --> 01:01:07,280 out my nursing. And so I had already been talking to a hospital in 782 01:01:07,440 --> 01:01:13,679 Miami, Oklahoma about getting a job at the hospital there in the ob ward 783 01:01:14,480 --> 01:01:20,960 and so I had found through their recruiter an apartment that was furnished and It 784 01:01:21,039 --> 01:01:23,320 had like four apartments in one big house, and nurses lived in those, 785 01:01:23,360 --> 01:01:27,480 so it felt kind of safe. And I just took my clothes and you 786 01:01:27,519 --> 01:01:31,960 know, personal hiking effects in my car and I was gone. And Dale 787 01:01:32,320 --> 01:01:38,280 moved out of town, my ex with his family, and he turned the 788 01:01:38,320 --> 01:01:43,360 house back over to the guy he was buying it on contract, and then 789 01:01:43,400 --> 01:01:46,320 he ended up coming down to where I was. So we made sure we 790 01:01:46,559 --> 01:01:52,639 stayed away from that area, trying not to have that happen. And that's 791 01:01:52,679 --> 01:01:57,519 when we decided to get married. And I found out I was pregnant with 792 01:01:57,559 --> 01:02:02,360 my daughter, but he having nightmares, I was having nightmares. We just 793 01:02:02,679 --> 01:02:07,239 weren't going to make it, and he left. He got a job with 794 01:02:07,320 --> 01:02:12,519 a railroad that putting around all different states repairing you know, tracks, trains 795 01:02:12,519 --> 01:02:15,599 having accidents or jumping the track and cutting it all to pieces. And you 796 01:02:15,679 --> 01:02:21,000 know, so we just made sure that we were never around each other again. 797 01:02:21,039 --> 01:02:23,480 Like I said, she never saw us in the same room together she 798 01:02:23,559 --> 01:02:28,519 grew up. So but I did feel like when I came back in this 799 01:02:28,599 --> 01:02:30,000 area, you know where the hair would stand the back of my neck, 800 01:02:30,079 --> 01:02:37,119 that it was checking, it was checking. So so kind of yes, 801 01:02:37,159 --> 01:02:38,320 and no, I guess huh, I felt it. I knew it was 802 01:02:38,360 --> 01:02:44,199 around, but it never came right at me. When you have extreme experiences, 803 01:02:44,280 --> 01:02:47,039 it's not uncommon to take extreme measures. So I get it. I 804 01:02:47,119 --> 01:02:52,239 understand. I've got another comment for you, Joe from the Young Homesteaders. 805 01:02:52,599 --> 01:02:58,079 The comment is almost seems like the body language of a protective dog, if 806 01:02:58,119 --> 01:03:00,199 you want to draw that parallel. Of course, all talking about the way 807 01:03:00,239 --> 01:03:06,199 that dog me enacted when he saw your boyfriend grab your arm there. And 808 01:03:06,239 --> 01:03:12,280 then we've got another comment for you from Baby Girl, and her question is 809 01:03:12,719 --> 01:03:16,400 the dog me and family will always watch each each other's backs. And that's 810 01:03:16,480 --> 01:03:22,920 true. They prove it all the time. I've got a question for you 811 01:03:22,960 --> 01:03:28,000 from be Kind and they wanted to know how close was the neighbor's house who 812 01:03:28,039 --> 01:03:31,719 called the cops. King distracted and alerted the neighbor, which saved you both. 813 01:03:34,400 --> 01:03:46,719 Oh, let's see, I'm going to guess probably seventy feet, Probably 814 01:03:46,719 --> 01:03:53,400 between sixteen and seventy feet they were debt bar away pretty close. Then yeah, 815 01:03:53,800 --> 01:03:57,719 yeah, I see he really heard it, And like I said, 816 01:03:57,760 --> 01:04:01,920 he heard King. You know the screams. Obviously we're from you know, 817 01:04:02,000 --> 01:04:05,320 King having his limbs ripped off. That was what that screaming was for. 818 01:04:06,119 --> 01:04:10,119 And it didn't even sound like a dog. It was such sheer pain and 819 01:04:10,199 --> 01:04:14,320 he thought it was me being hurt, and that's why he called them and 820 01:04:14,360 --> 01:04:16,639 said, you know, I think she's over there. He didn't even know 821 01:04:16,679 --> 01:04:19,440 my name, and I think she's get killed. You better get here. 822 01:04:20,400 --> 01:04:26,760 So, yeah, he was close enough that he heard everything, and it 823 01:04:26,880 --> 01:04:30,119 was dark, so I guess he couldn't see what was going on. You 824 01:04:30,159 --> 01:04:31,800 know, it's a good thing for him because he'd been having nightmares too. 825 01:04:31,920 --> 01:04:38,159 Had he looked out and saw what was actually happening, wouldn't he so glad 826 01:04:38,159 --> 01:04:44,079 he didn't. He sure would have. He definitely would have. This next 827 01:04:44,159 --> 01:04:47,440 question is related to what you just told us about talking about what happened to 828 01:04:47,639 --> 01:04:53,480 King. Unfortunately, and you don't have to answer this question if you don't 829 01:04:53,519 --> 01:04:57,880 want to. It's a sensitive one, but be kind wanted to know. 830 01:04:58,760 --> 01:05:02,559 Is this is this too hard of a question to ask? That's a question 831 01:05:02,800 --> 01:05:15,599 obviously? Was King's heart taken? How did she know that? Wow? 832 01:05:17,119 --> 01:05:23,119 Okay, she just kind of scared me a little. Yes, it was 833 01:05:23,199 --> 01:05:26,760 missing. We didn't know if it ripped it out and threw it somewhere in 834 01:05:26,800 --> 01:05:30,000 the yard that they didn't find it, or it took it with it. 835 01:05:30,440 --> 01:05:34,280 Does that Dick have something to do with a dog men? Yeah, that's 836 01:05:34,360 --> 01:05:38,119 kind of a pattern. That's not uncommon for them to do that, to 837 01:05:38,159 --> 01:05:43,000 take the heart, and be Kind had an encounter already, so really that 838 01:05:43,119 --> 01:05:46,800 explains it. Oh boy, I'd love to talk to be Kind. So 839 01:05:47,239 --> 01:05:51,760 she had an animal that the heart was taken that I can't remember. I 840 01:05:51,840 --> 01:05:56,480 talked with some in the eyewitnesses. I can't tell you that their encounter was 841 01:05:56,519 --> 01:06:01,000 on episode five eighteen. Be Kind's encounter was episode five eighteen, if you 842 01:06:01,039 --> 01:06:05,800 want to listen to the particulars. Yeah, I wish there was some way 843 01:06:05,840 --> 01:06:10,719 that I could connect with that person, you know, later on. I 844 01:06:10,719 --> 01:06:14,039 don't know if that's even possible. I could put you in the contact. 845 01:06:14,480 --> 01:06:17,039 I could put you in the contact be Kind if you can send me a 846 01:06:17,079 --> 01:06:20,639 message. I know you still have my contact info. If you can shoot 847 01:06:20,679 --> 01:06:24,920 me a text message to let me know if you'd be up for a conversation 848 01:06:25,119 --> 01:06:28,719 with Joe. Just let me know and I'd be more than happy to get 849 01:06:28,719 --> 01:06:31,760 that set up. That'd be k easy. Oh, you're welcome. You're 850 01:06:31,800 --> 01:06:35,960 welcome. It looks like baby girl wants to know how tall that dog man 851 01:06:36,239 --> 01:06:41,280 was. Oh, it was a good eight and a half to ninth foot 852 01:06:41,840 --> 01:06:45,079 easy, because and I know that because of the way the house I lived 853 01:06:45,079 --> 01:06:48,639 in was set up, you know, and where it was on those windows. 854 01:06:48,920 --> 01:06:55,000 Yeah, nine foot easy. It might have been nine and a half. 855 01:06:55,920 --> 01:06:59,719 It was big. It was so big that you couldn't comprehend it could 856 01:06:59,719 --> 01:07:04,079 be that big. That makes sense, you know. It was just it 857 01:07:04,119 --> 01:07:08,360 looks like the size that you would think a big kodiak there or something would 858 01:07:08,400 --> 01:07:13,440 be standing up on his backbeat. It just it was huge. That is 859 01:07:13,480 --> 01:07:15,719 awfully big. They get bigger than that, though, they can be twelve 860 01:07:15,760 --> 01:07:21,360 feet so serious, Yeah, they get bigger than that. They do. 861 01:07:21,840 --> 01:07:26,400 That's why so many people, you know, they talk about ten foot sasquatch 862 01:07:26,440 --> 01:07:29,639 and they get taller than that also, But they talk about how a ten 863 01:07:29,679 --> 01:07:32,840 foot sasquatch would be so much more powerful and so much bigger than a dog 864 01:07:32,920 --> 01:07:36,119 man. What depends? Are you talking about a twelve foot dog man? 865 01:07:36,920 --> 01:07:40,280 I mean, that would be one heck of a fight. I'm sure between 866 01:07:40,280 --> 01:07:44,320 a twelve foot dog mean and a ten foot sasquatch between even a twelve foot 867 01:07:44,360 --> 01:07:46,840 dog mean and a twelve foot sasquatch, I'm not really sure who to bet 868 01:07:46,880 --> 01:07:51,440 on because the sasquatch doesn't have six inch long talons on the tips of its 869 01:07:51,440 --> 01:07:57,960 fingers, and the canine teeth are probably that long also, so in the 870 01:07:58,000 --> 01:08:03,159 strength also to push fifth wheel trailers up onto two wheels and do things like 871 01:08:03,239 --> 01:08:10,440 that one shot big animals to one shot bulls and things like that. So 872 01:08:11,000 --> 01:08:15,359 it's really hard to say which way that would go. It is right out 873 01:08:15,439 --> 01:08:18,199 of my mouth as I was going to say, yeah, well, I 874 01:08:18,199 --> 01:08:25,119 don't think a bigfoot has those teeth and definitely doesn't have those claws, so 875 01:08:25,560 --> 01:08:30,479 I've seen what those can do. You sure have. Unfortunately, I've got 876 01:08:30,479 --> 01:08:36,119 one more question for you. We're about sixty eight minutes in and then we're 877 01:08:36,119 --> 01:08:41,680 going to get ready to close it down. But this last question is from 878 01:08:41,720 --> 01:08:45,319 Bang Bang Screwtube, and their question is, Joe, I listened to dogming 879 01:08:45,399 --> 01:08:50,000 encounters in order to sleep at night? Have you tried listening to healing frequency 880 01:08:50,119 --> 01:08:57,920 music? I have not. Is there a site that you can recommend? 881 01:08:58,520 --> 01:09:03,239 That's a good question. I'm not really sure what what would be the best 882 01:09:03,279 --> 01:09:08,880 way to listen to it, but probably googling it or something like that would 883 01:09:08,880 --> 01:09:14,079 turn up an option or two. But well, I can certainly try that 884 01:09:14,159 --> 01:09:17,159 going in. But if it, you know, in a few more weeks 885 01:09:17,239 --> 01:09:21,439 or months, if it still tries to hop into my dreams, I think 886 01:09:21,439 --> 01:09:26,079 Anne's gonna have me ready to go with it. Then it'll find out that 887 01:09:26,239 --> 01:09:30,359 it's not the big bad woof anymore. I've been trained in lucid dreams and 888 01:09:30,399 --> 01:09:33,399 I'm going to get it this time. So it might want to know that. 889 01:09:34,239 --> 01:09:39,319 There you go. I love hearing that I love it. I do 890 01:09:40,600 --> 01:09:43,279 well. Before we get out of here, Joe, do you have any 891 01:09:43,319 --> 01:09:46,520 close in comments you'd like to put out there for us. I just want 892 01:09:46,560 --> 01:09:54,439 to thank everybody again for allowing me to tell my encounter, for not passing 893 01:09:54,560 --> 01:09:59,159 judgment on me, but believing me and supporting me and telling me that you 894 01:09:59,279 --> 01:10:03,760 do. Thank you to everybody who donated, whether it was like he said, 895 01:10:03,800 --> 01:10:10,359 your love in a comment, or you know, money from all over. 896 01:10:11,159 --> 01:10:15,520 There would have been no way that even selling the furniture we had, 897 01:10:15,359 --> 01:10:19,640 I knew there'd be no way that I could get us that house. I 898 01:10:19,720 --> 01:10:23,479 was going to have to end up being in a house that I probably couldn't 899 01:10:23,479 --> 01:10:26,039 even safely get in and out of, but I had to have it for 900 01:10:26,159 --> 01:10:30,199 my daughter. You guys have made that all possible. I know. I 901 01:10:30,359 --> 01:10:32,720 just know in my heart we're going to hit the five thousand mark thanks to 902 01:10:32,720 --> 01:10:38,079 all of you, and we'll be able to start our life anew. And 903 01:10:38,800 --> 01:10:44,079 there just aren't enough words for me, are enough time for me to say 904 01:10:44,119 --> 01:10:47,359 how thankful I am, how much I love you guys, and thank you 905 01:10:47,479 --> 01:10:54,319 for showing me what I didn't find out growing up, and that's that people 906 01:10:54,359 --> 01:10:59,600 are good and they love you and they will help you when the chips are 907 01:10:59,640 --> 01:11:03,359 down. Thank you, guys, God bless you all. Very well said, 908 01:11:03,880 --> 01:11:08,039 very well said. A better group of people you're not going to find. 909 01:11:08,720 --> 01:11:12,920 I mean, they're absolutely amazing, they really are. But you're right 910 01:11:12,920 --> 01:11:16,079 there, my friend, You're right there at the top. Thank you well. 911 01:11:16,119 --> 01:11:21,800 Thanks for saying that. That's awfully nice of you. But I just 912 01:11:21,880 --> 01:11:27,359 want the best of you like everyone else here does. But having said that, 913 01:11:27,560 --> 01:11:30,279 Joe, thanks again so much for coming back on to answer all these 914 01:11:30,399 --> 01:11:34,560 questions. Thanks for coming on for the first show to tell us about your 915 01:11:34,600 --> 01:11:40,199 experiences. I really do appreciate it, and like I told you before, 916 01:11:40,319 --> 01:11:43,039 if you ever need help, I'll be there for you. Just let me 917 01:11:43,119 --> 01:11:47,399 know. Thank you, thank you, God bless you all. You're welcome, 918 01:11:47,680 --> 01:11:53,399 have a great night. If you've had a dog mean an encounter and 919 01:11:53,439 --> 01:11:56,039 would like to speak with me about it, it doesn't matter if you want 920 01:11:56,039 --> 01:12:00,000 to speak with me in private about it or if you do want to come 921 01:12:00,000 --> 01:12:02,399 I'm on this show. All you have to do is just go to dogman 922 01:12:02,520 --> 01:12:06,399 Encounters dot com submit a report, and if you do that then I'd be 923 01:12:06,439 --> 01:12:12,640 more than happy to schedule a conversation with you, a phone conversation. But 924 01:12:13,159 --> 01:12:15,439 if you've had a sasquatch sighting and we'd like to be a guest on one 925 01:12:15,439 --> 01:12:20,520 of my two bigfoot podcasts, that's easy as well. Please go to my 926 01:12:20,720 --> 01:12:26,920 Bigfoot Sighting dot com and let me know, fill out a guest request form 927 01:12:26,960 --> 01:12:30,760 and let me know and I'll be in contact with you that way. But 928 01:12:30,920 --> 01:12:34,520 having said that, if you would like to donate to Joe's GoFundMe page, 929 01:12:34,880 --> 01:12:40,560 if you go to Dogmandcounters dot com right on the homepage you'll find a link 930 01:12:40,640 --> 01:12:44,159 for it, or if you just look in the description for tonight's show, 931 01:12:44,199 --> 01:12:47,479 if you look In the description for Friday night show, you'll find a link 932 01:12:47,520 --> 01:12:53,439 to that GoFundMe page to help donate and support her. But like I said 933 01:12:53,479 --> 01:12:56,720 at the head of the show, I can't thank you enough for supporting this 934 01:12:56,840 --> 01:13:00,479 lady the way you have. You're just amazing. I can't do a justice. 935 01:13:00,600 --> 01:13:04,840 I really can't. I can't thank you enough. But having said all 936 01:13:04,960 --> 01:13:10,239 that, thanks again so much for supporting these eyewitnesses the way you do. 937 01:13:10,640 --> 01:13:15,439 I really do appreciate it, and they do too. Have a great night.